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GREY’S Hits New Low!! OFFICE Clobbers CSI!! 30 ROCK Down!! FLASHFORWARD Quits Plummet! Sci-Fi Shows Up Slightly!!
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Thursday 18-49 overnights (previous weeks in parentheses):
4.9 (5.3) (6.0) (6.6) (1.8) Grey’s Anatomy
4.0 (4.5) (3.7) (3.8) (4.1) The Office
3.9 (3.7) (4.5) (----) (----) Private Practice
3.6 (3.4) (4.0) (4.0) (2.0) CSI
3.5 (3.4) (3.7) (3.7) (3.6) Survivor
3.4 (3.2) (3.7) (3.4) (1.9) The Mentalist
3.1 (3.0) (3.7) (4.1) (----) FlashForward
3.0 (----) (----) (----) (----) 30 Rock
2.6 (2.8) (2.6) (2.7) (3.2) Bones
2.2 (2.1) (2.3) (2.2) (3.1) Fringe
2.0 (2.2) (1.9) (1.8) (2.1) Parks and Recreation
2.0 (2.0) (2.9) (2.8) (3.8) Community
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) The Jay Leno Show
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.6) The Vampire Diaries
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) Supernatural
(----) (----) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) SNL Thursday
CABLE
2.3 NCLS Game
1.4 Real Housewives of Atlanta
1.3 Project Runway
1.1 College Football
1.0 It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
0.5 Tosh.0
Figures in grey are for repeats.
* “Grey’s” hit its lowest new-episode rating ever.
* “The Office” remains mighty and continues to beat “CSI.” “30 Rock” continues to not beat “CSI.” The return of Tina Fey’s brainchild fell 27% in 18-49 from its 2008 debut and 25% from its “Office” lead-in.
* “Survivor,” predictably, is back to dominating at 8 p.m. but “FlashForward’s” slide has halted, at least for the moment. The sci-fi drama remains solidly second-place in the hour, ahead of “Bones,” “Community” and “Vampire Diaries,” so ABC’s decision to give it a full first-season order seems less wacky now than it did a week ago.
* “Fringe” was up slightly but remains way behind its 2008 numbers and a distant fourth-place in its timeslot.
* For the fourth week in a row, “Leno” and “Vampire” remain eerily locked in a tie for the 18-49 demo, both shows garnering their best number of those four weeks. “Supernatural,” still way down from last season, continues to bleed a staggering chunk of “Vampire’s” lead-in audience.
Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
Sunday-Friday:
With Fox’s primetime baseball playoffs kicking off tonight, this might be a good time for an overview. Ranked in 18-49 by most recent airing:
5.5 (6.2) (5.6) NBC Sunday Night Football
5.0 (5.1) (5.7) House
4.9 (5.3) (6.0) Grey’s Anatomy
4.8 (4.5) (5.1) Big Bang Theory
4.6 (4.3) (4.7) Two and a Half Men
4.5 (4.9) (5.2) Family Guy
4.4 (4.9) (4.5) Desperate Housewives
4.4 (4.3) (4.6) NCIS
4.0 (3.9) (4.1) CSI: Miami
4.0 (4.5) (3.7) The Office
3.9 (3.7) (4.5) Private Practice
3.8 (4.2) (4.9) The Cleveland Show
3.8 (3.3) (3.1) Hell’s Kitchen
3.7 (2.3) (3.3) 60 Minutes
3.6 (3.4) (3.6) Criminal Minds
3.6 (3.4) (4.0) CSI
3.6 (3.2) (3.7) Modern Family
3.6 (4.3) (4.2) The Simpsons
3.5 (4.0) (3.6) Dancing With The Stars
3.5 (3.4) (3.6) How I Met Your Mother
3.5 (3.6) (4.1) NCIS Los Angeles
3.5 (3.4) (3.7) Survivor
3.4 (3.5) (3.6) American Dad
3.4 (3.7) (3.6) The Biggest Loser
3.4 (3.2) (3.7) The Mentalist
3.3 (3.3) (3.2) Glee
3.2 (3.1) (3.6) Cougar Town
3.2 (2.9) (3.2) CSI: NY
3.1 (2.8) (3.2) The Amazing Race
3.1 (3.0) (3.7) FlashForward
3.0 (2.8) (3.1) Accidentally On Purpose
3.0 (3.4) (3.1) Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
3.0 (----) (----) 30 Rock
2.9 (3.2) (3.0) Brothers & Sisters
2.8 (2.6) (2.6) Dancing With The Stars
2.8 (3.0) (2.9) Lie To Me
2.8 (2.7) (2.7) So You Think You Can Dance
2.7 (2.9) (3.1) The Good Wife
2.7 (2.6) (2.4) Law & Order: SVU
2.6 (2.8) (2.6) Bones
2.4 (3.0) (2.3) Castle
2.4 (2.2) (2.3) Gary Unmarried
2.4 (2.3) (2.3) Heroes
2.2 (2.2) (----) America’s Funniest Home Videos
2.2 (2.1) (2.3) Fringe
2.2 (2.0) (2.0) New Adventures of Old Christine
2.1 (1.7) (2.2) The Ghost Whisperer
2.0 (2.0) (2.9) Community
2.0 (1.9) (2.0) The Forgotten
2.0 (1.8) (2.1) Mercy
2.0 (2.1) (2.5) The Middle
2.0 (2.2) (1.9) Parks and Recreation
1.9 (1.8) (2.0) Medium
1.9 (2.0) (----) Three Rivers
1.8 (2.1) (2.3) The Jay Leno Show (Tuesday)
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) The Jay Leno Show (Thursday)
1.8 (1.8) (2.3) Trauma
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) The Vampire Diaries
1.7 (2.2) (1.9) Cold Case
1.7 (1.8) (2.4) Eastwick
1.7 (1.7) (1.9) The Jay Leno Show (Wednesday)
1.6 (1.6) (2.2) Hank
1.6 (1.6) (1.7) Numbers
1.6 (1.5) (1.5) Shark Tank
1.5 (1.7) (1.5) Dateline
1.5 (1.4) (1.8) The Jay Leno Show (Monday)
1.5 (1.2) (1.3) Law & Order
1.5 (1.6) (2.3) 20/20
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) America’s Next Top Model
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) The Jay Leno Show (Friday)
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) Gossip Girl
1.2 (1.2) (1.2) 90210
1.2 (1.0) (1.2) One Tree Hill
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) Supernatural
1.1 (----) (----) Brothers (Sunday)
1.0 (0.8) (1.0) Dollhouse
0.9 (----) (----) The Middle (r)
0.9 (----) (1.5) Modern Family (r)
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) Smallville
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) Brothers (Friday)
0.8 (1.0) (1.4) FlashForward (r)
0.8 (0.8) (----) ‘Til Death
0.7 (0.9) (0.8) Melrose Place
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) America’s Next Top Model (r)
0.4 (0.5) (0.5) Melrose Place (r)
By network:
ABC
4.9 (5.3) (6.0) Grey’s Anatomy
4.4 (4.9) (4.5) Desperate Housewives
3.9 (3.7) (4.5) Private Practice
3.6 (3.2) (3.7) Modern Family
3.5 (4.0) (3.6) Dancing With The Stars
3.2 (3.1) (3.6) Cougar Town
3.1 (3.0) (3.7) FlashForward
3.0 (3.4) (3.1) Extreme Makeover: Home Edition
2.9 (3.2) (3.0) Brothers & Sisters
2.8 (2.6) (2.6) Dancing With The Stars
2.4 (3.0) (2.3) Castle
2.2 (2.2) (----) America’s Funniest Home Videos
2.0 (1.9) (2.0) The Forgotten
2.0 (2.1) (2.5) The Middle
1.7 (1.8) (2.4) Eastwick
1.6 (1.6) (2.2) Hank
1.6 (1.5) (1.5) Shark Tank
1.5 (1.6) (2.3) 20/20
0.9 (----) (----) The Middle (r)
0.9 (----) (1.5) Modern Family (r)
0.8 (1.0) (1.4) FlashForward (r)
CBS
4.8 (4.5) (5.1) Big Bang Theory
4.6 (4.3) (4.7) Two and a Half Men
4.4 (4.3) (4.6) NCIS
4.0 (3.9) (4.1) CSI: Miami
3.7 (2.3) (3.3) 60 Minutes
3.6 (3.4) (3.6) Criminal Minds
3.6 (3.4) (4.0) CSI
3.5 (3.4) (3.6) How I Met Your Mother
3.5 (3.6) (4.1) NCIS Los Angeles
3.5 (3.4) (3.7) Survivor
3.4 (3.2) (3.7) The Mentalist
3.2 (2.9) (3.2) CSI: NY
3.1 (2.8) (3.2) The Amazing Race
3.0 (2.8) (3.1) Accidentally On Purpose
2.7 (2.9) (3.1) The Good Wife
2.4 (2.2) (2.3) Gary Unmarried
2.2 (2.0) (2.0) New Adventures of Old Christine
2.1 (1.7) (2.2) The Ghost Whisperer
1.9 (1.8) (2.0) Medium
1.9 (2.0) (----) Three Rivers
1.7 (2.2) (1.9) Cold Case
1.6 (1.6) (1.7) Numbers
Fox
5.0 (5.1) (5.7) House
4.5 (4.9) (5.2) Family Guy
3.8 (4.2) (4.9) The Cleveland Show
3.8 (3.3) (3.1) Hell’s Kitchen
3.6 (4.3) (4.2) The Simpsons
3.4 (3.5) (3.6) American Dad
3.3 (3.3) (3.2) Glee
2.8 (3.0) (2.9) Lie To Me
2.8 (2.7) (2.7) So You Think You Can Dance
2.6 (2.8) (2.6) Bones
2.2 (2.1) (2.3) Fringe
1.1 (----) (----) Brothers (Sunday)
1.0 (0.8) (1.0) Dollhouse
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) Brothers (Friday)
0.8 (0.8) (----) ‘Til Death
NBC
5.5 (6.2) (5.6) NBC Sunday Night Football
4.0 (4.5) (3.7) The Office
3.4 (3.7) (3.6) The Biggest Loser
3.0 (----) (----) 30 Rock
2.7 (2.6) (2.4) Law & Order: SVU
2.4 (2.3) (2.3) Heroes
2.0 (2.0) (2.9) Community
2.0 (1.8) (2.1) Mercy
2.0 (2.2) (1.9) Parks and Recreation
1.8 (2.1) (2.3) The Jay Leno Show (Tuesday)
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) The Jay Leno Show (Thursday)
1.8 (1.8) (2.3) Trauma
1.7 (1.7) (1.9) The Jay Leno Show (Wednesday)
1.5 (1.7) (1.5) Dateline
1.5 (1.4) (1.8) The Jay Leno Show (Monday)
1.5 (1.2) (1.3) Law & Order
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) The Jay Leno Show (Friday)
THE CW
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) The Vampire Diaries
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) America’s Next Top Model
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) Gossip Girl
1.2 (1.2) (1.2) 90210
1.2 (1.0) (1.2) One Tree Hill
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) Supernatural
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) Smallville
0.7 (0.9) (0.8) Melrose Place
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) America’s Next Top Model (r)
0.4 (0.5) (0.5) Melrose Place (r)
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When a good show like that is on the ropes, the more attention one can get for it, the better.
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....rules and if you are not watching it you are a bitter, buffy-loving, douche-bag who need to get over yourself and stop tea-bagging joss wheadon. there i said it.
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I still watch every week but this show is really going downhill. Anna Torv's acting is starting to grate and this week's 'dream addict' storyline was weak and made little to no sense other than it allowed for a few 'cool' images (demons and hand barbecue). Please, FRINGE, stop fucking up a good premise!
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While the lead in of vampire diaries may have looked like a good fit for the CW, the ongoing storyline is hard for new viewers to jump into. There is quiet a bit of history already built into Supernatural at this point, and while I am a big fan of the show I can see how it can be off putting to some of the audience of Vampire Diaries.
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that is all...
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not Swearengen, since he didn't actually say that one...my bad!
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In Peter's dream, shows Challenger's 11th mission in 1984. Last real Challenger mission in 1984 was Mission #6. The real Challenger explosion was on the 10th mission in 1986. So apparently the alternate universe is ahead a bit technologically, at least 2-3 years
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With Bell, and the FakeCharlie/Olivia showdown. It's nothing but downhill from now on.
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Answer the question, Quint.
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Oct 16, 2009 6:11:33 PM CDT
Looks like BONES/FRINGE viewers watched SURVIVOR & CSI instead
by spyguy
The countdown to Fox dumping FRINGE on Friday nights begins...NOW.
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Leno is low, but not as low as I hoped. Hopefully, he'll be gone by Christmas.
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back when Fringe was on TUESDAY nights, without much in the way of real competition. But on Thursday, up against heavy hitters like CSI? Fox, do the right thing and bring Fringe back home to Tuesdays in November.
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no way. fringe is just following a slightly updated x-file format... have a few 'monsters of the week' episodes, then award the faithful with a big mythology episode. last wednesday's william bell ep, was just that.... now x-files pretty much followed the same format each season. season opener, midseason (sweeps - usually a 2 parter), and season finale we're the mythology eps.fringe so far seems to up the number a bit, giving us small advancements every week, then dropping the big ones every 4 episode. if they follow that format we have 2 more 'monsters of the week' episodes before the next game changer.
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I'd really hate to see this one go. I really think it's getting so much better...Anna Torv is actually growing on me, but she needs better direction. Like David Boreanaz, she seems to have the potential to play both the pathos AND the comedy, but they need to drag the latter out of her. She still seems way too tentative on that front. But Walter as character is absolute gold most of the time, and pushing Peter into more of a heroic role is definitely the right call. I dunno. It's certainly a shitload better than FlashForward, which has already managed to become virtually unwatchable.
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Hasn't lost any of this year's base at least, it seems. Unfortunatly for me, I can't watch it live anymore because I've been a devoted Office watcher since the beginning. However, I get to watch the next Fringe on Tues & SN on Weds thanks to the Space channel in Canada. Space Canada is what Syfy wishes it could be. /boast much?
Anyone remember Fangoria measuring movies in buckets of blood rather than stars or thumbs-up? So let's say Peter Jackson's Dead/Alive is 10 & Bloodfeast is 7. Supernatural's bucket is at least a 5, which is astonishing to me for network TV. -
Hate that show with a passion. Makes ER look like a fucking documentary.
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The third episode was kind of a stinker, and I haven't seen the fourth one yet.
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" Fringe hit it's high last week. It's all down hill from here " BULLSHIT! This week's episode was ordinary because they can't reveal the whole storyline at once. Last week was great! There are so many reasons why. Leonard Nimoy. Theresa Russell. Walter putting on " I've Seen All Good People " by Yes on his turntable! This show has the right blend of humor, drama, and SciFi that other shows miss. Fringe remains the TV show I and many others wait for every week. The thing that some don't take into account here is that Fringe has a proven audience and a lot of people DVR it. Geez! ( head shakes )
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....is annoying and obvious. He proclaims that the ratings bottom-feeding Dollhouse "rises" to a whopping 1.0, but calls ABC "wacky" for renewing a new show with a 3.1 on a HIGHLY competitive night that's second in its time slot behind just Survivor.
Dude, really? Can you just report the numbers and spare the moronic editorializing? -J. -
I love how they keep utiizing those classic-rock hits. Plus Kevin Corrigan seems to be sticking around and we're about to hit a nest of observers.
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it can only go downhill from the olivia and charlie showdown?what if have a big throwdown with laser swords?okay, thats obviously ridiculous, but follow my hypothetical..
lets say next season they introduce laser swords somehow..then they start to hash out the Broyles/Nina Sharp story.then they end the season with a big laser sword battle between the fringe network and massive dynamics.. it would make the little olivia/charlie shootout look like a peanut! yeah, girl.. a PEANUT!once again, i know a laser sword battle between fringe and massive dynamics wouldn't actually be cool.. im just making a point their are many, MANY ways they can keep jacking up the story. -
Oct 16, 2009 8:01:48 PM CDT
30 Rock's premiere last year was inflated by the Palin stuff
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not really fair to compare it to that. it'll find it's stride.
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since everyone has more or less figured that walter2 is probably behind this because of of the theft of peter2.. if thats the case there are different ways they can go... perhaps the walter we know is actually walter2 brought to this dimension by another yet unseen character. that would explain why he was so smart in science (hes just from a more advanced time) and why he eventually went mad.. then before he went insane you can show that when charlie1 dies, Walter2 already knows about dimension2, so he gets help from the observer (as we've already seen) and goes back to dimension2; picks up peter2 (hell, it can be from a foster home after his dad -walter2- disappeared.) thus proving the Bishop blood line is one of the few to be able to survive the cross over. unlike genetically engineered people like Olivia. then mess with everyone and show that the yet unseen bad guy is actually Walter1.. who, though some freak of nature, is actually more advanced than anyone from dimension1 or dimension2!shit, ive been smoking stuff.. can you guess?
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is annoying & obvious as well. If Herc just reported the news without commentary, it just be any other EOnline/EW headline column, wouldn't it? Pretty sure Herc is a contributing EDITOR, which means he gets to say whatever he wants to say on a subject of his choosing.
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if he likes classic rock tunes interpersed in his TV, Supernatural has some great honking music accompaniment.
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i guess you'd have to have Theresa Russell's character see something weird with walter2.. although thats an easy retcon. she doesnt freak with peter2 in the ep, she just notices something is off.. you can attribute her not catching it with walter2 because of an attraction to him... throw her in another episode and have her say something along those lines.
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my astonishment music wise than hearing Cream's 'Tales of Brave Ulysses' on BtVS. Twice.
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I'm surprised by their frequent inclusion in Fringe, and more surprised by their inclusion in Supernatural. I believed that sort of thing prohibitively expensive; perhaps licensing has is growing more reasonable in this post-Napster era?
Buffywrestling, I recall your myspace (facebook?) page reveals superb taste in music. I continue to await reciprocal photos of your fine Manitoban hinder in undies. -
It would be absolutely dominating any other night of television, I'm fairly certain, except for Thrursdays. It's a strong Monday show, and an even stronger Tuesday show. If they would just switch it back, everything would be fine. I can't understand their logic. Fox sucks such fat cock.
On another front, Flashforward didn't entirely suck this week, for the first time since the premiere. However, the ending cliffhanger, with Charlie, was just about the most shit dialogue a villain could ever deliver, and only a fucking moron like Goyer would allow it. I half expected him to go "Mwa Ha Ha Ha." I mean really, if I were Charlie, I would have come up with my own line, anything would have been less embarassing than that. -
licensing doesn't go for what it used to it seems. Like AC/DC for Supernatural. They were (are?) just coming off a huge tour but they licensed 'Thunderstuck'. Even the 45 seconds they played must have been expensive. And AC/DC - while I think it is the most unimagitive music I've heard unless I'm 3 sheets to the wind - seems to be pretty picky. Wouldn't let rappers sample them no matter how much money they threw them.
PS To Herc: It's myspace. However, we are not yet facebook friends unlike I am with Eric, Drew & Harry who get to see all my pictures in various states of debauch.
I will try & remedy this for you. I also vow, if you ever get sick (knock wood), I will marry you so you can have free healthcare. -
You're the only one who responds to my posts. Thank you for that. :) As for Hercules' reporting, his sujective superlatives notwithstanding, if you're reporting the numbers, be like Jack Webb and just state the facts. Leave your meaningless commentary for your reviews. -J.
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The Vampire Diaries has hit it's stride over the last 2 weeks. and Supernatural has struck the balance between the long story arc and the single show episodes...great stuff
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it is not funny
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Now, I've seen some 30 Rock from previous seasons, and thought it was kinda funny, but this season premiere was really bad. It looked like a live version Family Guy, with all of the... "This was like the time when XXXXX did such and such" and they flashback to something. It looked weird on 30 Rock (even though they've probably used it before)
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The show was intended for a 5 season arc, and they got it. All low ratings in the last season will mean is that we won't be subjected to a Network designed sixth season where Sam and Deans cousins, Coy and Vance Winchester, take over the Impala.
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Where are all the laughs I heard about from Community before it started? That show SUCKS! Joel McHale is completely wasted and the rest of the cast has no comic timing whatsoever! Lookin at you Chevy.
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I wish they would give Community a better time slot. Abed is a great and original character - aside from the stuff involving Chase (which always feels strained) I'm digging this show.
Wtf with Fox and Fringe. What possessed them to put it on Thursday? It really makes no sense. It is like they are really trying to sink this show. Why? What is their rationale? Anyone have an idea? -
You don't even need to write anything, Herc - just put it up so we can chat about it. I'm less interested, however, one for FF would be good too. I'd like to support these shows (and try and justify their budgets) before everything on primetime becomes low brow reality crap and Jay Leno.
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And people watch it? Why? its probably the single worst show ever created by man or in the case of Kurtzman and Orci non men.
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is so expertly chosen. The moment I got fully hooked on the show was when they played the Stones "Laughed, I Nearly Died" at the end of one of the episodes. Summed up the whole mood of the series. I wish they'd pick up that tone again. They rarely have a good classic rock song anymore and this season is too jokey considering the weight of what's going on. I hope they close on a good note.
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is actually good? Everybody wrote off the pilot so I figured it was just a Twilight cash-in. But a few of you are saying it's actually worth watching? Crap, guess I might have to take the plunge then. I do like the actor that played Boon on Lost who's in it. Speaking of Lost, Season 5 of Supernatural has sucked except for the fact that the producers managed to get Lost's Jacob to play Lucifer. I mean, really - Paris Hilton in episode 5? Gah.
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This is just my opinion but: Season 1 was really good for the debut of a new genre show post-X-Files. Season 2 was amazing - the height of the series. Everything hit the right notes. Season 3 was a rough-ass transition to the CW. If you ask me, it downright sucked. Ruby and that British chick, the way too bright lighting, filler music, Dean as a total manwhore, etc. Season 4 made up for it slightly with a darker tone and the introduction of the bad-ass Castiel. But Season 5 is back to an uneven tone and lame-brained CW plots, like Paris Hilton guest-starring as a forest god. It's a shame. This show could have been great but it's held back by its network.
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and Hercs is this:
Herc "Flashforward sucks! It's bombing!! It's doing poorly! It's not going to make it!!" Ausiello: "The Lost wannabe (and could be) has been a solid performer on Thursday night, boosting ABC’s 8 pm time period 32 percent over last year (when Ugly Betty aired there). Even more impressive, its premiere episode was the first regular program since Friends to beat Survivor in the 18-49 demo.
ABC ordered an additional (and above-average) 12 episodes of the show, bringing its season 1 total to 25." Herc comes back "Flashforward quits plummet!" is the only kind of "I was wrong" response Herc can give. This keys you into bias in news journalism folks.
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As was point out to me, Supernatural has a bigger budget to work with for stuff like that, and special FX, than shows like Fringe or LOST. How in the hell is that possible? Its because the entire Supernatural crew gets paid alot less per ep, and they make better use of advertising revenue and other factors. In other words its a hell of a lot cheaper to play Supernatural on the CW than it is to play Fringe on Fox or LOST on ABC. Didn't you know this?
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Not everything deserves exclamation points!! This site is ridiculous with all the hype. Everything is AMAZING!!! You must be excited for everything!!!!
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....they're done! Season 1 was promising, season 2 petered out, season 3 was too dependent on stunt casting and catch phrases. It would've been on the brink of rightful cancellation had Fey not had the exposure of her spot-on but tiresome Palin impressions. Don't give me that Emmy award winning crap as a defense, either. The Emmys have proved time and time again their irrevelance.
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Hardly. Huge iTunes and DVD sales will keep it going at least through season 5 for syndication even if it wasn't an Emmy darling.
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that Supernatural's crew gets paid *less* than union scale to make up for other costs?
I'm sure you meant something different. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to punch Dawn Astroff in the tit.
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I hope things get better now that Charlie Pace has made an appearance, but I don't think it's ever gonna rise above the level of mediocre. Too many problems to overcome.
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FUNNIER THAN THE OFFICE.
incidentally- the office, jumped the shark about a million times already. Now Jim and Pam are married?
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oh. my. god. how fucking awful would that be?
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with their wikipedia references, but they all just feel forced. the flashforward is related to kaballah, gimme a break
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seconds, always hilarious. But it's almost like they're flipping us off with that shit. "Look, we CAN be funny, just not during the show"
Supernatural just keeps getting better and better. It's Edlund, man's a genius with a huge, shiny fat hard sense of humor. Supernatural, the Tick(creator), Firefly, The Venture Brothers, Angel! I'm so glad Edshrinker talked me into giving it another shot. Now I have the pleasure of being able to go back and experience the whole thing from the beginning, fresh after I watch the final season. But such bad ratings? WTH?
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Nobody here gives a shit! Did you recently get a job working for a Program Director. At least, it's good as a surrogate Fringe Talkback, I guess.
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Maybe if he was an office worker, solving crimes that take place at a college with a glee club, that investigates freaky stuff, then people will start watching! Or then again, maybe not.
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least that I watch anyway :p I love the music also..to me its what makes shows like it help stand out..Although I don't watch supernatural I hear good things from peeps that do and say the soundtrack helps..I think to some people this is what made people like Kevin Smith and Quentin stand out when they first arrived..
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But I'm glad that people that vote for emmys enjoy it. It's nice they can have a show they like.
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for law and order?after several completely wasted seasons,they've finally got the right cast w/anthony anderson and jeremy sisto.much improved over last year,it's a shame that nbc dumped it on fridays.that show deserves better in what may be it's final season(unless it moves to usa)
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"Si, el presidente Lincoln."
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in a genre show, like it's something never done before? Can someone force this dude to watch several hours of Supernatural, please?
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I like 30 rock, but am only half way through season 2. My question is where were all the "30 Rock sucks" people when Studio 60 was airing..... are they the same people who were drooling over it then and riping into the infinately superior Sorkin scripted slice of wonderfulness....
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Funniest episode of the season. Charlie's match.com profile was fucking hysterical and incredibly sad at the same time.
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"What are your hobbies?" "Magnets"
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What the hell is that?
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Does every thread have to be about fucking Supernatural?
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wow even I'm shocked, how about some love AICN?
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and copyright. I think that in this era of free/illegal downloads that recording labels probably see it as advertisement of their artist that can only help sales. Especially, when it comes to classic rock. Now, American Idol is a different story because then you're talking about the song being re-recorded and sold on itunes.
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for, so, it's open for discussion. Do you ever think before you post?
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...if only to see 30 Crock fail.
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Who cares?!
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But according to those ratings, no one gives a shit about it.
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"Son of a bitch."
Goddamn, I actually fell asleep still snickering to "I'll have the milk steak, boiled over hard. And a side of your finest jellybeans, raw."
Also, according to the logic of lockesbrokenleg, we all should be talking about NCIS. -
As for "Vampire Diaries", it is getting better, but it's not a great lead-in for "Supernatural". CW Thursday nights were so much better when SN was paired w/ "Smallville". The main reason to watch "Vamp Diaries" is really the guy who used to be on "Lost" and plays the evil vamp. The rest of the characters are pretty bland. I wish that FOX would move "Fringe" to a different night. I have to try to catch up & watch episodes online because there are just too many things to watch on Thursdays. Why can't they just put it on another night when there's nothing to watch, like Monday-Wednesday?
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So, we can stop talking about the shit that is Supernatural.
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I think the ratings talkbacks are great, as it gives us a talkback to actually talk about all the shows on a given night, as opposed to hijacking talkbacks for the shows only herc likes... but the last THREE WEEKS we've had friday's numbers on saturday. Dollhouse in the last three weeks = three new episodes. This friday = no dollhouse = why bother with ratings talkbacks = no talkback to discuss smallville.
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drop Leno on his bloated ass already? Do us all a favor and put that dog of a show out of it's misery.
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so we can all expect the brain trust at Fox to drop it anytime now. How many amazing sci-fi series have these idiots canceled before they ever got a chance to really find their audience. Case in point, a shite series like Dollhouse gets renewed while Terminator: TSCC is shown the door. Unbelievable.
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Does NBC have anything to put in the place of Leno right now? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you, I want Leno gone. But without new shows to put in its place, it seems like Leno will hang in there until at least next year. Oh, and I think you and I are watching different shows called Fringe. Because the Fringe I've been trying REALLY HARD to enjoy doesn't seem to have any likable character and plots that are so pointless that I only feel frustrated after getting to the end. There are things I want to like about it, but the show seems to be daring me to like it.
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Originally posted by Incomplete Gamer ) : " Because the Fringe I've been trying REALLY HARD to enjoy doesn't seem to have any likable character and plots that are so pointless that I only feel frustrated after getting to the end " ( End quote ). Uh huh. What about the plot of the war between universes and what's the nature of the other universe ( which is the show's major plot arc )? What the other side really like? How far advanced is it from us? Is there another Olivia? Who crossed over first? Or how about the plot about Peter being the son of the other Walter from the other universe? Or How about the plot about Walter's redemption and attonment? Or what's the deeper truth about Olivia, William Bell, Nina Sharp etc. ? These play out everyweek and people who like this show can't wait for the answers! I don't know what show you've been watching but I'd have to try really hard not to be interested. About the characters for one ( and everyone is talking about this ) John Nobel's portrayal of a brilliant man who spent 17 years in a mental institution and slips in and out of lucidity is wonderful! And that's just one. I really like all of the other characters ( yes even Anna Torv's portrayal of Olivia ). Sorry you haven't caught on but fans of this show love it!
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You don't like Walter Bishop? I think he is one of the most original tv characters in a long time and a refreshing take on the old cliche of the mad scientist. But, I agree that the other characters need work. It's still one of the best things on tv right now, until Lost returns. Also, why do you want Leno gone? Sounds personal. I never liked Leno either and as such just never watched him, but it doesn't bother me that he is on tv. Just curious?
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Ha, we both took Incomplete Gamer to task for his comments , but you beat me to it.
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not developed? fuck that....the question is which Walter does Peter recall in dreams and memories? Is it the 'other' Walter? And I think Olivia and Peter are good developed characters too..I can't complain about any chracter on the show...
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What goes up must come down. Sarah Palin is popular, people are getting tired of seeing her always being the butt of jokes. Tina Fey's impression was pretty good in the beginning, but Sarha Palin is even more popular than before and where's 30 Rock? Well, apparently, way-down.
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Sarah Palin is a twit. But she also has NOTHING TO DO with anything being discussed. Take your right-wing lunacy to a fucking tea party and tell it so someone who gives a damn.
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Oct 17, 2009 9:34:11 PM CDT
Fringe is good? Dollhouse is bad? Where's the consistency, TBers
by jayemel
All over the TBs at AICN I see hate for every Kurtzman and Orci project...except Fringe. Huh? Fringe suffers from the same problems as other K&O projects: all premise, no depth, cardboard characters. So there's two universes at war, and that someone explains why every episode has an absurd nonsensical premise that's only purpose is to make Walter babble, Peter be surprisingly helpful, Olivia try to not be boring, and Astrid be pointless, how?
Then, on the other end of the spectrum, we have Dollhouse, a show with an inventive premise, philosophical depth, and a clear arc plan, yet people criticize it for supposedly doing exactly what Fringe does: make no sense and give us nothing to invest in. Huh?
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FF Fringe, etc?
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We all know you're really at best a Whedon apologist and at worst HERC incognito. Either way, face the facts: DOLLHOUSE SUX!
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WTF are you talking about, as usual, you crazy MF?
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This season may very well top it, it's been great so far.
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Originally posted by : Jayemel
" All over the TBs at AICN I see hate for every Kurtzman and Orci project...except Fringe. "
Uh no. What you see is hate for Star Trek ( which was great but some people can't stand change or they're just trolls ). That spills over into the Fringe talkbacks because Fringe is made by the same people. "So there's two universes at war, and that someone explains why every episode has an absurd nonsensical premise that's only purpose is to make Walter babble, " Bullshit! It's an original premise that really hasn't been tried on TV before and please don't mention Sliders ok? I totally diaagree with your statements about the characters also but fortunatly you're in the minority in your opinion. If given a chance ( and a proper timeslot ) Fringe would become as popular as shows like The Xfiles. However The Xfiles started in a time when Networks gave shows a chance to find their audience and the internet with hearsay didn't exist. -
You AICN Supernatural loving goof.
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That's the problem with you libs... any view that is contrary to your own is "right wing lunacy". If someone disagrees with you, clearly they're insane.
Anyway, Hercules is CONSTANTLY using this site to espouse his left wing views and to attack the right. All the time. I'm just following precedent.
Trust me, 30 rock is "way down" because there is a Tina Fey backlash. Take care. -
You mean the backlash that just landed her an Emmy, right? Could you possibly be any dumber? The fact that you idiots are not only out of power, but holding your little teabagging festivals with your racist hate speech is all Tina Fey's fault, right? Her and the "liberal media". Do us all a favor...save it for your fear and hate mongering friends. Ass.
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She won an Emmy by a group of her industry peers, which by definition means anti-Palin/anti-republican. It's the same reason Al Gore won an Oscar for his fake Global Warming movie.
But that has nothing to do with the actual viewing public, which according to this story, is not watching 30 Rock.
All I'm doing is pointing out the elephant in the room.
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because what are you going to say to defend it? You can't, so instead you choose to continue this "Joe Six pack isn't watching 30 Rock because he don't like Tina Fey" tact. Brilliant, cylon...really. Come up with that all by yourself? Did it ever occur to your tiny little xenophobic brain that you and your ilk don't watch 30 Rock because it's too intelligent for you? Stick with that Charlie Sheen Two and a Half Men schlock on CBS...it's more your speed. 30 Rock has NEVER be a big ratings winner. It's over your head...don't watch it. No one cares. Much like no one gives a damn about your regional party of angry white men.
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The only thing more offensive than your views is your co-opting your name from such a brilliant piece of science fiction. Christ, your username makes me embarassed to be such a fan of Battlestar Galactica.
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No, because you already have me painted as a villain, that's the way you want to see me. I point out there's a backlash against Tina Fey, and you've already got me pegged as this caricature. You really think everyone who didn't vote for Obama is a fear-mongering, hateful racist? If you really think that, I think you're a bit out of touch. And notice, while saying that I am full of hate, all you've done is launch insults at me. I haven't said anything about you.
Damn you are really an angry person. Sheesh! Might help you to try to be a bit more tolerant of people different than you... your blood might not boil so easily.
My favorite shows are Mad Men, Trauma, Cougartown, Parks and Rec, the Office, and Modern Family. Somehow I manage to comprehend those shows. -
Didnt Herc declare Dollhouse a huge success last week because it pulled a 1.0? With the ratings Supernatural is pulling it will never get cancelled.
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I get you don't like me, but I guess I'm missing the BSG reference. Oh well.
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Yes, of course...it's ALL a liberal conspiracy. Dammit, you're on to us! No one can pull the wool over your eyes, cylon. Don't believe all the "science" behind these so-called "facts" on the peril we all face. You just keep listening to your overlords at FOX News, Rush Limbaugh and the Drudge Report. They'd never lie to you.
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I think it's fine you're a liberal... but it would really help you if you didn't marginalize people so much. The world is more diverse than you think. I can tolerate you having your views, yet it seems clear to me you would prefer if I didn't have that same right you have to express myself or make up my own mind.
Anyhow, I made my point, my theory, that 30 Rock is down because there is a backlash against Tina Fey. Pretty cut and dry. You clearly have anger management issues, I'm not going to be your enabler. Later. -
I have no anger for you...or your kind, cylon. People like you hurl these accusations out like hand grenades at Tina Fey, at Barack Obama, at Al Gore...at anyone you think is "liberal". And then when you're called on them, you cry foul. I've grown tired of it, just as I grow weary of you and this "conversation".
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When the White House calls out FOX "News" for their lies and their hate and fear mongering..."Who us? What did we do?" is the response. You've taken your cues well, cylon.
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its ratings went up which is highly unusual. Herc seems to have a grudge against Stargate for some wacky reason.
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its still not there
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If so, that would explain why it's not included.
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arent all these shows shown internationally anyway? its Herc, he hates it for raping BSG
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Stabby, so I defend what I like? Ok, that would make you a Fringe apologist. We all have preferences. What's your point, that we're different people?
Real Deal, my exact point is that premise of Fringe is not good because it has no depth to it, as with all Kurtzman & Orci projects. "Warring parallel universes" is not a premise. "Warring parallel universes that make us question, identity, truth, and reality" is. Unfortunately, Fringe has the former premise and try to purport that it has "depth" by "pushing reality" (Ok, X-Files) through things like "dreams can kill" (Ok, Freddy Kruger) and "a shape shifter" take over a main character's identity and does evil" (Ok, Dr. Bashir). Oh yeah, and parallel universes have been done a bazillion times over, just not in one long painstakingly drawn out arc like in Fringe. If you want a specific example, go watch an episode of Buffy called The Wish, and we all know who made Buffy. GGNT. -
that fringe wants to be like the Golden Compass?
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You got that wrong:
"However The Xfiles started in a time when Networks gave shows a chance to find their audience and the internet with hearsay didn't exist."
The X-Files fanbase grew because of the Internet, and because of "hearsay" and growth of the Internet fan community it became the Hit it was in the 90s. -
I'm agree with you if all Kurtzman & Orci projects are like Transformers 2 then I have no invested interests. I do remember that movie not for it's greatness but for how hollow it was. I found myself laughing at it rather then enjoying it,
Heres my take on what you said.
"Then, on the other end of the spectrum, we have Dollhouse, a show with an inventive premise, philosophical depth, and a clear arc plan, yet people criticize it for supposedly doing exactly what Fringe does: make no sense and give us nothing to invest in. Huh? I'm confused."
Dollhouse = Original innovative concept.
Fringe = unoriginal writing it wants to be The X-Files but just doesn't have what it takes to be it.
Like you said with all K&O projects are "all premise, no depth, cardboard characters."
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The Xfiles started in 1989. I think you'll find there wasn't much going on yet with the internet then ( no broadband for sure ). Yes it existed but it was very primative. The Xfiles became popular by word of mouth a few years later. After all it was on FOX on a Friday night. The internet didn't really catch on until we were well into the early 90's a few years later. Certainly it didn't have well established forums with some influence like this one in 1989.
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Fringe is much more than the Xfiles in that it has a different main story arc ( so no it doesn't want to be the same ). If you really think Fringe makes no sense in comparison to The Xfiles which cheated their viewrs in the end with no clear pay off ( I've talked to many friends about this and they feel the same as we were all big Xfiles fans also ). I don't disl;ike tThe Xfiles I just feel it petered out into nothing. I even enjoyed the latest movie but it was like a big episode. I like Fringe more because of all the little nuances ( like Walter's turntable )that it has. Sorry you can believe that Fringe makes no sense but I think you just haven't been paying attention. I suggest you read some of the other comments here about a show you say makes no sense. Sorry you're just wrong. I haven't seen Dollhouse although I used to be a big Wheadon fan.
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I suggest you go to this page to find out when the internet got popular. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_the_Internet_become_popular
1992 and really catch on 1995. Xfiles had been on for 6 years at that point. -
Ratings going up, come on season 10!!!!! Every episode this season have been excellent!
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The Xfiles started in 1993! However it's still before the internet became really popular 1995.
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the Internet real beginnings before you go questioning about that. It's origins rooted from DARPA known as ARPAnet (Defence Advanced Research Project Agency). First email came approx. 1974, then Tim Benerds-Lee later in the came up with the idea of the World Wide Web=WWW much of what we see today.
When the Web came about the early 90s The X-Files was in it's infancy and so was the net. It was one of the very few shows which had a Office Message Board as early as Season 1.
"1992 and really catch on 1995. Xfiles had been on for 6 years at that point."
1994-1995 The X-Files was in it's third series.
If you mean 1995-96 that was Season 4. The X-Files actually reached it's peak in 1996-97 in Season 5,
I think you should research it a lot more before you comment.
When the Net grew so did The X-Files.
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...for the way whe supposedly attacked Palin last year and her lefty 'librul' ways is that for her funniest Palin sketch they didn't even write a script! she just used palins own words verbatim and everyone found it hilarious because palin was and is a fucking joke.
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But that doesn't mean people hate Palin.
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And what's your age and heritage? Thank you.
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Smallville fucks goats. I know.
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Sister spooky, you're nuts. YOu're telling me people were downloading episodes of tv in 1995 Fucking NINTEEN NINTY FIVE!?!!?
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Sister spooky, you're nuts. YOu're telling me people were downloading episodes of tv in 1995 Fucking NINTEEN NINTY FIVE!?!!?
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the internet was bare bones in 95... message boards hadn't even been close to popular at that time... even chatting was a new concept. you're making a connection that is simply not there.
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It was originally designed for Military. If you just want Entertainment for references try searching for "War Games" starring (the then young) Matthew Broderick. It may have been "bare bones" at that time but it was a beginning of a Technological Revolution. The Information age was beginning to blossom came 90s.
Downloads didn't come until after the Millennia 2000 onwards.
It may have been Generic BBS (Bulletin Board Systems) back then but the beginning of something much bigger to come hence now and onwards.
Today we take the Internet for granted not realising where it came from. I won't be surprised if the next generation will think the that Internet will have always be as fast as it was now.
RYANBRAUN14 try finding out about "Dial up" and not "Broadband" bandwidth differs by a lot. -
The credit I give to Whedon is at least the guy is trying to be innovative in a Cop Cluttered Procedural TV era. It may have FBI/cops in it too but tries something to veer off it. Since the Lead is Dushku,
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you proved my point--the rise of the internet had NOTHING to do with the X-Files... and i was in the top 5 percent of the nation to get the internet... back when Gopher and Ping were all that the interent had to offer and my dial up was the besat you could get 14.4--you ever hear of gopher and ping? or will you continue to look up things about the internent that have nothing to do with X-files
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even if there were message boards for xfiles the people who used them were a TINY portion of the country... message boards at that point could not possibly affect the ratings of a tv show.
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I'm a 17 year old hick from the deep south, I usually wear a stained white tanktop, a CAT diesel power Trucker's hat, and like to suck on mentholated chew.
I didn't get much of an education, but I got street smarts. Most of my family are Klan members.
You know, like everyone who doesn't vote for democrats. We're all like that.
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I'm thinking about driving past my ol' High School and seeing if any of the chickies need a shoulder to cry on...
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stay away from the children you sick fuck. who trolls highschools for action?
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from now on say: "i'm thinking about driving past sorority row and seeing if the chickies need a shoulder to cry on.' although 'chickies' is a dumb word.
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joke (jk)
n.
1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
2. A mischievous trick; a prank.
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of the FOX contract with Delphi forums one of the earlier pioneers of social networkings. Back in the days social networking sites also in it's early days doesn't mean ppl wasn't using them. Gopher and Ping, something that went like this
"neeee, joing, joing, feeeeeee."
Then you were logged on, oh yes the Internet was the fastest growing and still is.
Check out "The Net" starring Sandra Bullock and note how the World Wide Web changed from "War Games". It's evolving as we speak.
Guess not everything is taught in schools then not even the emergence of the Internet and Word Wide Web. -
Are the numbers millions? i.e Fringe pulls in a 2.0 is that million? Info/knowledge appreciated, Thanks
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OK, I kinda rolled my eyes on the House of Wax reference 2 episodes ago, but the "He's...the Antichrist...FFFFFAAAARRRRRTTTT!" was funny as heck.
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So, there were no hit tv shows until the internet became popular? Funny, I didn't start accessing the internet until 1999 and yet I was a huge X-Files fan from the beginning. Never read or posted to an X-Files blog in my life. I'm not saying that the internet did not play some minute role in its success, but definitely not to the extent that you suggest.
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If you like Dollhouse then you are a Whedon apologist, because DH Sux!
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I'm surprised Herc hasn't had a bitch fit about his show yet. Glee is easily the best new show of the Fall season.
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Never watched an episode of Supernatural. But, I would like a complete list of all the characters on tv named Olivia since you seem to believe every character on tv has that name. And Olivia Mund doesn't count even though she kind of is a character and not a real person.
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that David Letterman apologize... fucking bitch.
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Doesn't mean others wasn't already online, in fact quite the opposite the time "The Net" premièred ppl the world over were going online by the months and years at a good speed. It was well documented on US/UK news. A lot of old US network news also documented how The X-Files rose from virtually unknown to phenomenon via the Internet.
STABBY yes there were other hit shows, I do believe Star Trek had a website too. Star Trek:TNG was in it's fruition, then came Star Trek DS9, later came Buffy.
The difference is The X-Files embraced the new technology back then, thus elevating it from Cult status to Phenomenon. -
I do think Stabby is correct. The internet really wasn't doing much in 1993. Certainly not like today. That was the beginning of the Xfiles. It's beginnings and giving shows a chance to succeeed we're talking about. Since Fringe in only starting it's second season and Xfiles was in it's 3rd already by 95/96 your comaparison doesn't match. Certainly shows had more of a chance in thoose days. By now they'd be saying : How long is Muldur going to have to search for his sister? This is getting boring. What is the connection between the government and the aliens? How long do we have to wait for answers? " I can hear it now. I'd be really taken to task if I had to tell them you'd sort of find out in 1997/98 but there'd really be no resolution.
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"a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc." Assuming etc can be anything, then anyone who likes anything is an apologist for that thing. GGNT.
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For new truths, not good!
Then we eliminate the fact BBC had a dedicated X-Files site, AOL had dedicated chat rooms, other ISP sites as well, news groups, dedicated fans that wasn't part of any official site forming newsgroups, updates. Websites created by fans, fanfictions. All of this when Dial up was in the fray, before fibre optics came in. eh.
Then we've just systematically erased the hearts and minds of so many ppl, ppl that loved the use of the Internet as well as a love for a show.
Trouble with every generation is they fail to acknowledge old truths/past history, thinking what they see now has always been like this.
To acknowledge the truths of today you also got to acknowledge past ones as well. -
"Then we eliminate the fact BBC had a dedicated X-Files site "
In 1993? Or even 4? AOL in 93' was very primative. I was a memeber in 95 and it was primative ( they still charged by the hour back then )! Maybe they were talking about it but I'd be willing to bet there weren't many. Certainly not the kind of influence we see today. I'd say that didn't start until about 2002 or so. Get real I'm 56 and I've been on line since 1995 so don't talk to me about generations. ok? -
to tell you the old news that they've tapped VHS footage news, ranging from ET, CBS news, MSN, etc. Clips from interviews, etc. PPL have lived through this era, it's like saying the telephone or TV have always been like now. Technically HD and LSD screens wasn't around doesn't mean TV didn't existed did it?
I'm guessing you missed it when the movie came out the fans crashed the websites due to the influx of ppl wanted to chat to the cast and crew.
Primitive it my be, effective in the breaking down the barrier of time/country zones of the world with the then revolutionary way of communicating, it didn't matter where you lived if you had Internet may it be broadband or dial up ppl were using them. -
these sites existed, but rather their influence on the popularity of the X-Files. The internet, as a source of entertainment and information for the general public, was in its infancy. Yes, some fans of The X-Files, who were quick to embrace this "new" technology, took advantage of it to discuss the show. However, as the newest arena for "word of mouth", its impact on the popularity of a television show would have been minimal. Not enough people were using the internet; its content would not have made an appreciable difference. Moving from "Cult status to Phenomenon" would require more than a group of early adopters chatting online. For that it needed the mainstream media (ET, People Magazine, Time, CNN, etc.) to take notice. Some, who were savvy enough to monitor online activity, may have taken notice through chatrooms. However, most became aware of the show, and its growing popularity, the old-fashioned way - advertising, news stories, and the water-cooler.
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Arguably, one of the best of all times. I'm sure that had a little something to do with its success. Spooky, none of us denies that you and a few of your friends were online in the 90s discussing the show, but I think your personal experience is clouding your judgment regarding the degree to which you believe the internet contributed to the X-Files success. I know a lot of X-Files fans and none of them were online in the early 90s discussing the show. Also, please let me know where I can pick up one of those LSD screens. It sounds perfect for watching Fringe on.
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Apologist has a negative connotation to it, i.e. a George W. Bush apologist.
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Word of mouth is also true to what happened too, I didn'tt think for one minute that didn't play a role too. It did and so did the Internet.
Thanks for a nice debate :) hadn't had one this good for a long and yes The X-Files was great and still is. -
Spell LCD screens, sorry that was a typo.
Damn no edit button on this website! -
As I've said for the record I liked the Xfiles also. It was one of my favorite shows! However when Muldur left for awhile and there was no real resolution to things ( which is what kept most fans going ) I felt let down. Fringe however seems to be going somewhere on a much faster track. And yes I hate the no edit function on this forum. Harry really needs to modernize things.
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