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Jon Favreau: I’m Not Directing THE AVENGERS!!
I am – Hercules!!
Sad news! “Iron Man”/“Iron Man 2” director Jon Favreau now says he won’t as a director be following Tony Stark to “The Avengers,” which would team the armored one with Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury and maybe Scarlett Johansson as The Black Widow.
It sounds like he may be spooked at the prospect of mixing in the tone of Kenneth Branagh’s “Thor” feature.
Would it kill Favreau if someone else ends up directing “The Avengers”?
"They'll have to, because I'm not going to be available," he tells MTV News. "It's something I'm being the executive producer on, so I'll definitely have input and a say.
"It's going to be hard, because I was so involved in creating the world of Iron Man and is very much a tech-based hero, and then with 'Avengers' you're going to be introducing some supernatural aspects because of Thor. How you mix the two of those works very well in the comic books, but it's going to take a lot of thoughtfulness to make that all work and not blow the reality that we've created."
Is it his collaboration with Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof on "Cowboys and Aliens" that's keeping him from "Avengers"?
Find all of MTV’s story on the matter here.
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So serious.
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first and thor-most
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It will be tough to expand on the marvel universe in film. so far, most of the successful characters have been sci-fi based.
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Iron Man sucked save for RDJ get over your selves.
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He was out.
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Joe Johnston is directing "Captain America."
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Surely it's one of the main reasons why this superhero group ensemble type of film hasn't been tried before - because tonally it's likely to be a nightmare combining very different types of protagonists... Can see why it'll be a money spinner, but you'll need to mash up the brains of Christopher Nolan, Favreau and several other star directors into one super-sized super-charged entity to have any chance of tackling this and succeeding.
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I really want the avengers to work, but I'd have to agree with Fav. Unless handled very well, The Avengers will probably end up being a mess. Please god let me be wrong.
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It's hard to find anyone who has a love for his material AND original ideas to help it along. Favreau would have been a good fit, but Marvel has a lot riding on it and needs someone who will do it all justice, otherwise we end up with X3 all over.
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Oct 15, 2009 2:36:29 AM CDT
If Branagh can pull off Thor, then he should direct Avengers
by sirgarycoleman
Thor as a live action character risks being insanely cheesy and could only be done with a talented director. So, if Kenneth Branagh can make Thor into a good film, he has the chops to do The Avengers
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is beyond fantastical. I propose Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer, as they have the huevos others lack, apparently.
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Where is that guy?? Looks like Favreau agrees with him. Now is his time to shine. He'll probably come back days from now and be kicking himself.
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Do you have faith in Johnston to produce a product with the scope and breadth of the Avengers Universe? He is walking onto Cap with the ability to craft his own universe, but with Avengers he would have to do justice to Branagh and Favreau's work.
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Just bring in Louis Leterrier that directed the I. Hulk. He's been talking about wanting to do it for years.
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Or Patrick Tatopoulos…Any word on screenwriters?
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Favreau may be getting out while the gettings good. Marvel is really rushing all their projects out the door. Iron Man 2 was rushed. Thor, Captain America and the Avengers were penciled in before there was a story, director and actors. Maybe Favreau is worried that IM2 won't be as good as the first one.
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on Avengers. So will Johnston and Branagh be. With the way Marvel's almost been "typecasting" their directors, Snyder or Singer might get a call.
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They never should have tried to make a Thor movie. They should have gone with Hawkeye, Henry Pym, Quicksilver, etc. Stay in the land of tech and mutants. This whole demi god thing is ridiculous and getting Branagh to direct with a bunch of unknowns was too ambitious. It is going to look like Cirque De So-gay (nothing wrong with that, of course). And why haven't they cast Cap yet? That story has the best chance of resonating with audiences the way Iron Man did. My personal feeling is they should someone like Ryan Gosling. You need a serious actor to hold his own against Downey and Norton.
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He would be perfect this film. Fuck you haters.
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Not only is the director of "Man in flying suit with gadgets that will NEVER work in real life" think Avengers with Thor won't work. But also talkbackers on a movie geek website think so.
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Wasn't this mentioned before? I'm pretty sure he's said he was only going to be producing the Avengers movie back when Iron Man came out.
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They should just go with Matthew Mcconaughey, he has the look, the physique and the charisma to pull off this role flawlessly.
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Handsome and rugged without being pretty and a great actor. It's a fucking shame The Spirit wasn't good because Macht was great in it, NAILING an incredibly difficult tone. You need not just a great actor, but a guy who can carry himself with that classic charisma and class. Hell you need someone to epitomize it, and Macht has that very old Hollywood sensibility.
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So I don't understand why some of you are proclaiming that the Avengers wouldn't work because there's to many eccentric personalities. Bryan Singer pulled it off brilliantly. That's why he's the man for the job:)
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Although Im sure he'd make a very fetching Gabrielle too ;)
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Saw him kicking ass in Zombieland and thought he could do a good Cap.
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Oct 15, 2009 3:07:46 AM CDT
And the way you marry the styles is be totally unapologetic
by industrykiller!
Just go compeltely balls out with it and don't try to explain too much. Just thrust the audience into a world where the supernatural is now possible and downright matter of fact. You ground it by grounding the characters, making them human with great writing and acting. The tone of the world can be anything you want it to be with that anchor. Of course its not quite THAT simple, but its not that much mroe complicated either.
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Hope he proves me wrong. Though I doubt anyone at Marvel Films has the nuts/ovaries to include The Invaders, or a spin-off.
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y'know what would have been perfect is if they had gotten to Mcconaughey around the time he made a time to kill, or if they had gotten to damon after the first bourne, but both of those guys are too old to pull of the WWII cap story line they are obviously going for. Cap has to be late 20's, early 30's. I'm guessing they are haggling with Chris Pine and that could work, but I'd still prefer to see someone like Gosling. I caught The Believer again just recently and the guy has so much natural gravitas (half nelson, also), he could really bring the whole thing together. All of the Avengers have psychological disorders, imo. Cap's patriotism should have a slightly menacing feel.
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As much as I appreciate what Favreau has done for Iron Man so far, I think he's just afraid doing a movie this huge. And it's interesting that Robert Downey jr. is so looking forward to the Avengers. Maybe they should let him
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I concur
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Oct 15, 2009 3:12:18 AM CDT
I hope for the sake of Avengers the don't do all WWII Cap
by industrykiller!
its amazing to me that no one sees what a terrible idea all WWII cap is followed with The Avengers. So you are going to attempt to balance ALL of the Avengers while simultaneously telling Caps modern world revival story? Impossible. Totally impossible. That story needs its own film. Make the first 20% of the Cap movie WWII, thats all it needs to establish who Cap is and his relationship with the Red Skull in a climactic battle before he mounts the atomic bomb and goes into the drink. Fill in the story via flashbacks. Would it be cool to have two movies before the Avengers to really flesh out the character? Yeah but apparently that aint what they're doing.
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Could you call Favreau and tell him what you just wrote there? Nice!
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It's going to be the weakest of all the standalone Avengers character movie. It can't attract mainstream audience. Only comic book geeks will go see it. It's like the opposite of Wolverine Origins. Comic geeks hated it, but mainstream viewers loved it.
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As Captain America.
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So you're saying it will be a good movie? Great!
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yep, I don't think Johnston has the stones to make a Cap movie. The dude made "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" and "Jumanji". Wtf? The thing is, if you don't darken the tone of a Cap flick, you are going to end up with an laughable mess. It is 2009 - the guy's name is Captain America. You have to address all of the false promises the name entails. Anyone remember American Flagg, btw - comic from the 80's by Howard Chaykin? Really enjoyed that comic. The writers ought to give it a read before the finalize the script.
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That's exactly what everyone said about Iron Man.
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Makes me think of a photo of my uncle in his uniform when he'd just returned home from the war. He looks so young and weary. Like a baby faced early teen (I think he was 19 or 20). My father is in the photo in the back as a toddler. My uncle became a raging alcoholic for the rest of his life.
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First he's keen on getting his hands on all the characters for a big avengers movie...now he's saying he doesnt see Thor working in his "tech world"...(which is retarded cause its still not a REAL World, men still cant fly in suits of armour etc, but what do I know)....I think this is less about being ABLE to make it all work and more about some behind the scenes issues popping up between Fav and the studio...we'll probably never know...but these people are so good at spin control and image handling you'll never get the true story anyways....OH, and who ever said Matt Mc for Cap was right on the money...the guy can do it.
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Favreau directed Zathura.
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for a change, btw...
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MrNocturne is onto something.
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How are they going to introduce a so-called 'real world' based hero into a supernatural world. What the hell am I saying? He's a dude in a flying suit. It's based on a comic book. Get over it, Favreau.
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...Favreau is not up to it and never has been. This requires someone with more of a sense of vision. Let's hope Marvel (Disney-backed) have the nerve or clout find that person.
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We can imagine a guy in a metal suit to fly faster than jets and you're wondering how Thor will fit into the equation? It's not like they've got to worry about some 9 foot tall green guy or a man who has been frozen alive for over 65 years. Let's keep these films grounded in reality.
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is stupid. The guy made the best super hero movie (aside from the sacred DK) in a very long time. He is extremely savvy about the industry. He delivers. If he has reservations about Avengers in general and Thor in particular, I suspect he knows whats up. I can't imagine anyone out there doesn't have misgivings about Thor - the character, the director, the leads...everything about that project smells.
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I wonder what Kirby would think about that? It's pointless to have a Marvel movie 'verse not be like the Marvel U (or 616, or whatever I'm supposed to call it).
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Shellhead, and his and RDJ's respect for the fans. I'm just puzzled by the trepidation or lack of vision, as jasper said.
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summer that he got to see the design work on Thor, and was impressed. Remember, also, that Thor isn't the only supernatural character. What if they wanted to make a Doctor Strange flick? Or does Fox have the rights to that?
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We can be as selective as we want to be with the 'verse. I've never thought of Thor as a critical member of the Avengers. Thor is an obnoxious prick. I see Vision (who may be the most ridiculous character ever conceived - red faced green android with a ruby in his forhead and a yellow cape banging the Scarlet Witch...wait, what?) and I don't hear anyone calling for a Vision movie. Why isn't Hawkeye in the line-up (perfect role for Matt Mc, btw)? Why not Pym - those characters are excellent and not ridiculous and don't have big winged hats and aren't shouting about ragnorak all the time. Who relates to Thor?
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Wow, you really have it in for Thor. If done right Thor can be a really cool character. See "Ages of Thunder". And he was a founding member of Avengers, that's probably why he's getting a movie.
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World keeps turning....
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also, someone mentioned in some tb awhile back that Thor movie would need to feature a rainbow bridge and you couldn't have a rainbow bridge without a pride float. Whoever it was, they pretty well summed up my feelings on the Thor movie. There isn't anything that isn't gay (not that there is anything wrong with that) about that project.
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RDJ is great in Iron Man but I dont think that it is a good as many make out. I still think a better director could have been found.
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i'd get all the directors from the other films on as exec producers and have dick donner do the avengers
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Yeah, maybe I'm a bit overboard on Thor, but I really think the character is dated and kind of moronic. I never read the ultimate Thor, but I've heard people talk about the storyline and I've seen the suit and that character made far more sense to me. I like the sane/insane element. I just don't think Kirby's Thor is credible. Too Wagnerian (yeah, I said it - whatever) for modern viewers and doesn't fit with the best aspects of the Avengers.
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"Just go compeltely balls out with it and don't try to explain too much."
Audiences WANT this, they are perfectly willing to believe Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man are all in the universe. Just put it on the screen and run with it. Have Tony Stark make a "Fuck Me, it's THOR" comment, and then move on. Don't spend ten minutes of screen time trying to justify it. -
I think Thor is a great character, both in comics and myth. ANd I also hope they go more Ultimate with him in the movie. But to bring up Wagner is hinting at something else. Which to me is just wrong.
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IM2 is not out yet,so arent we a bit hasty for considering Favreau a good director for the Avengers movie? yes he did an amazing job with the first movie,but what if his second movie suffers from the 'sequel syndrome'? are we going to say then,that it is a relief that he is not going to direct the avengers? just dont rush with who is suitable for such a project,not even for faverau
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since Thor is going to be,why not Jesus himself? and he would be the best utility guy for their fights,ie when one of the teammates gets injured or dies,Jesus can heal or resurrect him immediately.
And if they cant beat the bad guys in a fight,Jesus can simply call upon them the Wrath of God and obliterate them.How cool is this? -
Jesus League of America.
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In fact DC stands for De Christ.
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Easy to solve this problem.
Just pick one of the best Avengers comic stories and shoot it as is.
No need for back story, origins, or seeing them all meet. Just BANG straight into the plot. Make a few aside references to the past throughout but seriously don't muck about, just pick the best comic story and shoot it. -
Jamie Bamber. Yes, I know he's British, but get over yourselves.
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Oct 15, 2009 4:27:56 AM CDT
This is going to look stupid as hell
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Picture Thor flying around with his giant hammer and goofy helmet in the Iron Man movie. I think Favreau sees a disaster in the making here.
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If it fails, Avengers will fail, if it succeeds Avengers has a good chance.
Think Thor has to be setup as Marvel's Superman. But easier said than done, Superman is the most well known comic book character, everyone gets the origin and we accept him, no matter how rediculous it sounds, but Thor is different, the geeks know him a few more people know about the mythological version, going to be an incredibly hard sell.
Saying that, I argued that there is no way a new religion/belief could come about in modern times because of how well we are educated, literacy, advancements of science etc compared to 2000 years ago, then people point to Scientology and prove me wrong.
Though in all honesty think I would prefer an Avengers without Thor, agree prefer to see Hawkeye.
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The tone of that movie is going to set the tone for Avengers. if its dark and serious i dont think there will be much of an issue. infact the clash of fantasy and sci-fi could be what makes the film great.
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so many disparate styles and tones? He'd have to be a fucking maniac or an assured genius to actually choose to take the reins of this raging behemoth. I can't blame Favreau for balking really..he just doesn't have the chops.Fincher? Scott? Cameron? Some unknown?
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Oct 15, 2009 4:42:25 AM CDT
JJ to direct - cause he doesn't have enough on his plate
by miyamoto_musashi
In all seriousness, Star Trek was full of adventure and great character interaction. Thats what Avengers needs to be about. Mind you we don't want too much on the origin stuff, have a Watchmen type opening, and just get straight into it.
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Whoever said something along these lines was spot on.
During the Thor movie he does something cool in front of news cameras, we cut to Tony Stark who grabs his cell and says Fury, you watching the tube? that's plenty, for crying out loud lets just get to the story, stop leading us by the hand... -
Keen to see a team featuring, Jesus, Santa, Buddha and the Tooth Fairy
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I hadn't considered him. Mostly my brain spits out bizarro choices but that one sounds the most practical considering his track record and the state of the industry today(which is kinda scaring me).
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I love the way The Fav talks about mixing the tones of the IRON MAN and THOR movies together as if it's impossible or something. They've managed it very successfully in the ULTIMATES graphic novels... And FF4-2: ROTSS is the best example of how NOT to do it...
Basically, take it all kind-of seriously, remember the lines, don't bump into the furniture, and hire ZOIC or WETA for the SFX, because ILM still deserves to be ignored for those fucking SW prequels.
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That's what I'm hoping, they have 5 movies coming put before Avengers. Hopefully they will deal with all the origins enough in those. Avengers could be the Empire Strikes Back of superhero movies.
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will make or break this thing. It's going to be quite the balancing act at least.
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Yeah, because a guy whose suit is completely impossible to make in the domension they gave it in the movie, and who later in the Ultimate GNs (EXTREMIS) has the same technology as nanobots IN HIS FUCKING BLOODSTREAM - yeah, that's SO much more believable than a demi-god from Valhalla.
I think movie audiences may be sophisticated enough to understand that both characters are from the same comic universe hence they belong in the same movie. We DO NOT require a whole scene where we get an explanation why a demi-god can exist in the same universe as an Iron Man whose suit is now in his bloodstream - just put that shit on screen, give us a decent bad guy - GALACTUS!! And NOT a fucking space cloud - the fork-helmeted planet-eater!! - and get on with it.
This is EXACTLY the kind of shit that made X-MEN 1 and 2 so fucking boring. Enough with the exposition - we get it. Fight and move the fuck on. -
talk in a very heavy voice.Thus the movie will be considered mature and serious and will bring a lot of money.Isnt this the formula,Holywood uses for the comic movies? dark and gritty people,dark and gritty.
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is not far-fetched.in fact nowadays,there a lot of projects about creating exoskeleton suits.but i agree about the extremis suit,Ellis just fucked up IM with it.
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...How people are worrying about the tone of THOR when it's been given to one of the greatest Shakespearean directors we've ever been privileged to have.
Branagh is a stone-cold GENIUS. There is no way he'd have taken on THOR if there was the slightest doubt that he'd not know how to handle it. And since he DID take it on, it will be a very cool movie - count on that. -
I think we can all agree that Thor is one of the most ridiculous characters in the history of comics. Maybe it was cool in the 1960's but come on.
I don't even know why Marvel is even so obsessed with adding Thor. In the last 50 years there have been TONS of different Avengers they could add, Beast being a good example. They weren't obsessed with having the original X-Men in the first movie, so why is it so important to them now? The Avengers movie is going to end up being a disaster. -
..and that sucks!
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Without really thinking through what he is getting at.
They have managed it successfully in a comic book, wow!!, we can all rest easy now, what an achievement.
No comic book, no story for that matter is unfilmable (stupid comment from Moore) but the difficulty is in how well it comes across and in particular the tone.
India Jones, for example we had 3 movies where we had a supernatural box, rock and cup, but we were all ok with that. Then aliens come into the 4th and then its ridiculous (amongst many things in the movie).
People have seen Iron Man, its rediculously advanced science, but its still science, hulk the same, cap will be the same. Then we will either have supernatural or alien tone. Granted its not impossible to find the balance in the tone, but it will be very difficult. -
Yes I also read about a guy with a power plant in his chest. He built it in a cave in Iraq. His Muslim friend sacrificed his life for him so that we should understand not all Muslims are bad guys.
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yes it can happen if u r a genius.next please.
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Oct 15, 2009 5:08:07 AM CDT
Tony Stark HATES magic... that makes it awesome
by spifftacular squirrel girl
RDJ would be awesome riffing on Thor during the movie.
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which describes how many of the things we watch in the IM movie,are already a reality in our world or will be in the near future.
I will say it again IM is not a very far-fetched movie as science and technology are concerned.But that doesnt mean that i will, personally, have a problem to see Thor,a demi-god,in that universe.Imho its very difficult to merge the 'realistic' world Faverue has created with a more fantasy one.its not impossible,but it wants a very talented team to pull this out. -
is working on robot legs powered by a steam engine in his rib. But, building it in a sewer in London. Cheating.
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that i would love to see in the movie.
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thats a fact.check it out on google.
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Means a director who is either very experienced or overly confident (thankfully Bay won't be a consideration)
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Check it out on Wikipedia. Next.
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I hope he is working on keeping his head living after death, Futurama style, if anyone should be kept alive it should be him and Warren Buffet.
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Kiss and make up, Ominus?
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He should be giving himself more credit as he absolutely nailed the balance. Unlike say Batman Begins where they go to such great lengths after a while all you see is logical fallacies and how they jettison realism whenever its convenient (Dark Knight largely fixed this) But Iron Man understood completely that you NEED the pulp to make a film based on classic superheroes truly special. Iron Man never went to any, even moderate lengths to give any scientific explanation. THey establish immediately that Tony Stark is the kind of impossible genius only found in comic books and that is that. They ground him by making him complex and flawed and human and casting a great actor and that's literally all we need as far as realism goes. They nicely take little moments to slide some realism into the ridiculous (Stark learning to fly) but never apologize for the fact that right off the bat the situation is ridiculous (the fact that he is flying). This is exactly how you make Thor. I assume it wills tart off in Asgard and that's all you'll need. "Asgard: Present Day" and the audience gets it, this is a world where all the old myths are true. And we will never question it again. Just make Thor a three dimensional being with hopes and fears and flaws and that's the only window we'll ever need. Also tone down his power a bit so the whole God thing doesn't become too superior to the other heroes.
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i referred to google as a tool to use it,in order to obtain the necessary information.i think it was already pretty obvious,but anyway i am glad i help you clarify this.next please.
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smach smooch
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Yeah sorry, I got a bit silly there. Industrikiller! The more you post the more I'm convinced that you need to call these Thor Movie guys.
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Not over apologizing for outlandish stuff yet emphasizing relatable character is very much the Marvel ethos in the books from the beginning. This is how it works. I suspect we'll see him in Asgard in his flick, and then they'll treat him as an eccentric on Earth, Midgard, a la The Ultimates.The Venture Bros. is a good model, where Dr. Venture dismisses / is skeptical of magic, despite it occurring point blank.
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The guy is just that, a patriot, not a nationalist. You guys are thinking too Neo-Conservative imperialist American jingoism and Cap stands for the opposite of that. In fact there's a great opportunity to show that Cap is disappointed with a lot of the promise that we've wasted as a nation. Not saying you have to get crazy Liberal with it, but it's fairly inarguable that we haven't conducted ourselves with maybe the degree of humanism we showed in WWII. And that War era fighting spirit and sense of honor is what Captain America represents. Not post-9/11 fear mongering and tea party nationalism and ignorance. A certain segment of the population will bristle but fuck 'em, it'll more than be made up for overseas.
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Is that the new phrase people are using for 'adapting for the screen'? Why does everyone have a goddamn god complex these days?
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a Simonson vibe, aesthetic: alien Kirby look crossed with epic storytelling, with a dash of sci fi weird, but most likely it'll be more medieval fantasy. Fur cloaks and grey armor. I could be wrong though. Maddening that we haven't seen any concept art.
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Brubakers run.what worries me is,if they choose to go with the ultimate Cap who sucks major balls.
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We know the basics, aarrogant, Odin sends him to Earth to humble him. I hope no Donald Blake. Instead Jane Foster(Padme) is a nurse/psychiatrist taking care of a mental patient who thinks he's not Napoleon but the Norse God of Thunder. She starts to believe him, Love Actually (no that was Padme's handmaiden). It's a mix of 616 and Ultimates.
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I think that is why they want to start completely set during WWII. Other than the fact that Weird War II is a cool genre.
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Marvel was tight with the $ before Disney bought them up, and it may be even worse after the fact. Eh, to be honest Favs isn't James Cameron, so I'm not all busted up over his departure as director. He's an adequate director, and there are dozens of those out there to choose from. I'd give Blomkamp a shot.
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with a dash of Kirby/Simon and Steranko, but am skeptical about Johnston.
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Like I said you gotta open with Asgard because you have to establish the world immediately. Plus we NEED an awesome asgardian battle to kick it off (I mean seriously who doesn't think that sounds fucking awesome?). Ergo the audience will know that Thor really is Thor and it will be tedious having to sit there watching him frustratedly try to convince others while the jerk off warden or whoever delights in disbelieving him. That's played. Get to the meat and potatoes of it early. Let Thor explore the world humbled as a mere human and what gives this young, angry, priviledged man a purpose is that he actually begins to identify with the human condition. That's more interesting and succinct than a bland "Is he or isnt he but we know he IS" scenario that keeps the story small and limited. It's Thor, it's gotta start getting epic by halfway through the film. None of this saving all the good shit for the climactic battle.
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Blomkamp would be cool. He could pull off Black Panther or Moon Knight, or anything street level mixed with scifi, as well.
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Good suggestion Yack. Put a shiny comic book sheen on his verite style and that could look very cool. But seriously lose the fly on the wall grit of District 9, that doesn't fit the Avengers. I don't doubt he could do that.
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Really good suggestion for a director.
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telling the story of The Rise of McG in the mental hospital. Maybe it is a bit played... But, every time they describe the plot it's "spans the Marvel Universe; from present day Earth to the realm of Asgard" Not "Realms of Asgard to present day earth".
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Perhaps they are doing Asgard in flashback, starting in media res?
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RDJ seems like a cool guy, but you would have to expect he'd assume he would be the main star. Edward Norton has a reputation for being a prima donna, but maybe if they just give him a few showy, scenery-chewing scenes, he won't pout at a smaller amount of screen time. The Thor actor is a nobody, so if it comes down to keeping the stars happy, his character will probably get pushed to the background. The question is who ends up being Cap in that movie. (They haven't cast that yet, have they?)
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You know it makes sense.
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Just make it simple:
all the ancient god do exist,maybe they are aliens or mutated humans with superpower but its not necessary to know their origin.
The ancient people created their religions around them,but with the passing of time,the human race evolved and forgot them,they are a mysterious part of our ancient history.
But they are real and they do exist and nowadays they live as ordinary people in the whole world,having vowed that they will never interfere with the human affairs.
And Thor is one of those gods,and he sees that the world of the humans is walking to its doom,and decides to break his vow of non interference,to his fellow gods dismay,and help humankind.
And if u like,u can throw Loki in the movie with the same way.He sees that humankind is corrupted and easily keen to evil acts,so he wants to control the human world and later use it as mean for his ultimate goal: to become god of all gods.
heck u can even introduce and the other god from the other ancient religions,and finally we can have a war of gods.throw in and Jesus Christ if u want,as a hippy with superpowers.
Ofc Shield is aware of Thor;s presence,and they decide to use him as a part of their Avengers team,which will be the ultimate defense measure against Loki and all the other super-powered beings,mortals or non.
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Oct 15, 2009 6:37:00 AM CDT
as long as JettL is still on board as one of the writers
by just pillow talk
The Avengers is safe.
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Oct 15, 2009 6:46:10 AM CDT
Am hearing from a guy I know JettL could be directing this
by miyamoto_musashi
exciting times!!!
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at the moment he gives his ideas to Lucas about how the next star wars trilogy should be.
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Makes as much sense as Rothman making good choices!
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DAMNIT!
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Simply make him part of a race of meta-humans who have existed alongside normal humans for tens of thousands of years. And due to their nature and early man's worship of the powerful, they became seen as gods. As for Asgard, any race as powerful as the Asgardians, can create either an area that can not be seen by man, but still exists on earth, or they are able to exist in another dimensional plane.
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The Vision's awesome. Have his body built in the 30's by a Professor Horton who had fled from Kang, intended to help defend the world from the conquerer's coming invasion, only he never gets activated until present day. That way you can keep the Flash Gordon sci-fi look about him and have a fun mystery about where this robotic man came from and why, while setting up a big Kang throwdown in a future flick.
I agree with the others here... Don't shy away from the incredible or try to ease into it, hit the ground running. I can understand how Some might think of an Avengers movie as an Iron Man movie with guest stars, but it shouldn't be... Iron Man should be just another bit of the incredible in this film. Marvel might take note, however, that the Avengers comic typically worked best when the main dramatic focus was on the secondary characters, and the Big Three of Cap, Iron Man and Thor were there to lead the ass-kicking. I think theylll have to make the film follow some characters that exist at the intersection of these various movies to find some cohesive tone. -
The main characters are already established in their own films, so the main factor that decides the dominant tone of the film would be the villain. right?
If you use the oft rumored Skrulls, you want Blomkamp who can nail the Skrulls as a legitimate threat without losing their slightly goofy B-movie charm entirely.
Red Skull, get maybe Johnston. Loki, use Branaugh.
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Whedon. Whedon could do Avengers. Though I'm pretty sure he won't get the job. Spielberg has made a career of mixing tech/real world with mysticism. (See Indian Jones). He would be the perfect guy though Marvel could never afford him.
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The only problem with that is that it was the torch who was made in the 30's, and it was Ultron who created Vision from the torch's android body. Are you saying to disregard the whole ultron father/son storyline?
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Nut up and figure out how to make it work, Favreau. You'd think that would be a welcome challenge for a filmmaker.
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That is by far the sweetest news I've heard in ages. I'm texting C-No right now to let him know the great news. Might was well tell Willie too, he'll be downright giddy.
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Oct 15, 2009 8:07:22 AM CDT
One simple way to explain all the supernatural vs. tech problem.
by themanwhocan
People say that Iron-mans suit would never happen in the “real” world because (among other things) the amount of power used to run it could never be compacted into a cylinder small enough to fit in someone’s chest. The people making the Avengers movie could explain all this as well as the mysterious source of the Hulks extra mass when he transforms. Question: where does this seemingly unlimited power/mass come from? Answer: another dimension. Question: what dimension would that be.
Answer in the form of another question: “don’t you mean, “Who’s” dimension?
Could Tony Stark and Bruce Banner have accidentally tapped into another world with their wacky experiments/inventions? A seemingly magical/supernatural world inhabited by say.. I don’t know, another Marvel character… cant think of any one …
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SUSPEND YOUR DISBELIEF ASSHOLE!
Favs has really dropped the ball here... I am not so imbecilic to go to a Marvel Comics film expecting reality... Iron Man is FANTASY, GET OVER YOURSELF. Tony Stark is from the same universe as Thor, Cap, Hulk and everyone... it came a long tome before you did, and it seems like you've given yourself the credit for Marvel's resurgence. Well guess what -- Laterrier's Hulk was better, and so was X2 so really, Favs... Swingers was brilliant and Zathura was fucking good too, but you are not the verisimilitude compass of the Marvel Universe. SUSPEND YOUR DISBELIEF, DICK, IT'S A FUCKING COMIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
He's from Vancouver and he knows his shit.
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Once you've dealt with Thor's fantastical Asgardian origins in his own movie, he's just a superhero in the Avengers. A super-powered being.
Likewise Captain America's WWII origins in his own film.
Anyway, who can't picture an Avengers film with Thor, Iron Man, Captain America and the Hulk?
It's fucking simple.
Oh yeah, and to whoever used the "Indiana Jones 4 failed because of the alien subplot" example - Fuck off. Done well, you should be able to make a great Indiana Jones movie where he's finding chocolate Easter Eggs in the garden.
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Obviously, if Disney bought Marvel, and Pixar rule Disney, then Brad Bird is surely the one and only choice. His CV includes a robot suit that can fly, superheroes, and a track record of making the completely unreal real. You know you want it.
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...aren't alien, or magic.
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Thor has no place in this film. Favreau is a douche but at least he has standards as a filmmaker, so props to him.
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Indiana Jones and the Chocolate Easter Egg Hunt is an awesome idea for the next Indy film. I can't believe it never occurred to George.
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I love all that stuff from the comics, but I'm fine with streamlining some of it for a movie narrative. Ultimately, I don't see the android Human Torch as ever being important to a movie plot, so including him in the Vision's origin is just a detail that will confuse audiences. (Geoff Johns wrote a Vision miniseries where he kind of paired that down similarly, glossing over the existence of the Torch in incorporating the Horton history.) When you get to the heart of where the Vision comes from, you can jump right to "his body was built in the 30's with tech incredibly ahead of its time".
As for Ultron, if it were up to me I'd have the Avengers recover the mysteriously created, never-activated body of the Vision, and have it be Pym's A.I. creation Ultron that first brings him to life as a weapon against the Avengers, skipping any exterior redesign on the Vision's body. But again, I'd be willing to prune away bits that aren't important to whatever plot was in the works, so Wonder-man's brain patterns need never be brought up, or would be something that could be saved until Wonder-man was introduced (if ever). Ultimately, I suppose the Pym/Ultron relationship probably trumps the Vision/Ultron relationship, even though I like the Vision more.
I guess what I'm saying is, rather than simply redoing origins based on what makes them more "believable" or easy, that they would take some thought on the actual origin and shape it in a way that stays true to the history of the character while best serving the needs of the narrative. If you're putting together a team with a Viking god, and a WWII hero, then laying the groundwork for a time-travelling conqueror fits in well, and aspects of the Vision's history likewise fit well with such a time-displaced premise. -
Aaron Eckheart for Cpt. America!!! The part in dark knight where the ballerina puts the paper on his face, covering half of it, sold me. And besides the looks, he can act!
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I was asked to input some story ideas and some script outlines...i was one of many writers asked to do this, and every idea had some parts they liked, some parts they didn't, in the end they hope to meld all the ideas togetehr, have one writer Put a fresh coat of paint on it and have it in theatres by 2012.But honestly Marvel has done a great job so far with their properties, but to be honest the avengers is where its all going to fall apart, it simply cannot be done from the way they are approaching it. Faverau is a dear friends and a great filmaker, but he absolutly hates the "Magic" aspect of Thor, and he's even mentioned that he can't relate to the incredible hulk, at least not in tony starks world (he wasn't too happy about Downey being forced to appear at the end of Incredible hulkIn my professional opinion, we probabaly aren't going to see avengers, and if we do it's going to be a mismatch of a movie that is going to make elektra look like the dark knightI hope they ask me to do a final rewrite as i would simply scrap what is already on the table and start fresh, but honestly they won't do that, Marvel wants this thing in theatres ASAP
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Well, as a child I loved the Vision. Especially the way he was drawn by Neal Adams -the greatest penciller of all time. Vision just exuded power when he was the focus of those early seventies books. So I get your love of Vision and wanting to see him incorporated. Yes, the Pym/Ultron storyline trumps the Ultron/Vision. So Ultron as Vision's daddy can be jettisoned (sorry did not mean to invoke the name of JettL), but I have to admit to a personal bias which may be affecting my objectivity. I hate time travel storylines. Having Kang involved, or a time-traveling Horton, just seems unnecessary. I do understand though why you want to see a classic Avengers villain like Kang, and your idea for vision makes sense if he was involved.
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he makes these talkbacks so funny.
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Has to be an unknown for Cap, unlike IM or any of these other dudes and like Superman, Cap is the embodiment of an ideal, actor history'll just get in the way of it.
The_Goddamn_Batman is right, let them juggle all the tone shit in the origin movies, and then bulid a tone for the Avengers, when called for these heroes are called together by SHIELD and whup ass.. Oh look, I just naiiled the tone... -
Oct 15, 2009 9:16:27 AM CDT
keeping my fingers crossed that you'll do the rewrite
by just pillow talk
JettL...Bobby told me the samething, that he was forced to appear in the Incredible Hulk. I said "Chill Bobby, you're still great. Do you want another hotpocket?"
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One of the reasons the Ultimates storyline was so good is that everyone was unsure of whether Thor really had powers or was just a huge, delusional, drunken Norse hippie. When the time came for him to save the world, he stepped up. That effect would be lost if we knew he really WAS powerful.
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The one actor who I think really has the Steve Rogers look is not actually and American. Simon Baker from "The Mentalist". Can't say he's too old for the part. I mean Downey's pulled off Ironman.
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But be sure to keep us posted on what he's NOT directing, Harry.
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They got whats-his-name for Thor. He would have made a great Cap methinks. I dont blame Fav for passing on this. If he doesnt have a vision for it better to bow out then be the guy we all get pissed off at when the movie doesnt fill expectations. Hats off to him for having that foresight.
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of the avengers team.Hulk is not considered since most of the time fights against the team.So u need powerhouse villains,as counterparts for IM and Thor.Thor might be a powerful demigod,but strength is not always the only factor to win a battle.So u will have him more as a helper for the fights,than the one-button-win solution.
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Where did you get the lock for your parent's basement door? It must be something pretty special if the men in white suits can't get in...
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The Marvels comics.
Told thru the eyes of that reporter as the world changes with the introduction of these incredible and awe inspiring characters.
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Had mentioned an interesting idea which was to have the four Marvel directors (Leterrier, Branaugh, Johnston and Favreau) to do an Avengers movie each and then release one per month in that summer with part leading into the next movie. It would have been an interesting idea and it would have showcased the talents of the different directors into one big epic. I would have loved to see them do that.
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I saw the list of writers we asked for ideas on Avengers. He wasn't under consideration at all for soliciting ideas. Hell, I was the one who put it together, I should know. Oh, and one other thing, I called up George the other day and asked how things were going on the new Star Wars films, and asked if JettL had given some strong ideas. He said, "Who the fuck are you talking about?" Then I called Mike and asked about the development of TF3 and JettL, he said, "Fuck that guy. He didn't do shit. I threw his ass out on the street."
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That part made me laugh.
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It's widly known within the industry that The biggest problem in the casting of Cap stems from overseas box office. Selling a movie titled Captain America is hard enough in the foreign market, but cast an unknown and the movie will virtually bring in pennies at the foreign BO. However cast a big star and foreign audiences might be drawn to seeing it because a huge name is attached. My few sources at marvel tell me Brad Pitt seems to be a favorite with producers (even going as far as photo manips and a breif meeting with pitts people have taken place). Paramount (which distributes) is pushing for Matt Damon in the role after their first choice of Johnny Depp was comitted to pirates 4 and lone ranger.Not all involved with the project are on board with a big name star, many want to see an unknown get the part, one promenent producer says he won't back down unless Josh Lucas is cast, but other don't think he's a big enough nameThe rumour is that Josh Lucas will eventually get the Cap role, but every other role in the movie will be played by a name actor. Marvel knows that worked for an virtually (at the time) unknown christian bale in the batman franchise, of course Batman's appeal is more international then Cap's, so only time will tell
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I mean these: http://tinyurl.com/dyxluh
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could pull together a team based Superhero movie of epic proportions? I get the complaints about certain creative choices in Watchmen (although since I wasn't attached to the gn I had no qualms of my own) but the overall tone, direction and stylization of that "world" was astonishing and if a similar perspective were used for an Avengers flick I couldn't imagine it not being an amazing experience.
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They are going to need a bigger actor then RDJ and Norton if they want the Avengers to work.
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If I were trying to fit the odd pieces of this jigsaw puzzle together so that they fall into a cohesive continuity and we don't have conflicting visions of the present Marvel Film Universe (which up to now has been close to the real world) is to have the "Gods" of Asgard be the first known Prime Mutants. The source DNA that all the present day mutants sprang from.
Then have Cap and Thor's origins end when they come to the present.
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I love Thor. Branaugh as noted is a great Shakespearean director, perfect for Thor. I like the Ultimates treatment of Thor for an Avengers movie. His actual origin would be vague and unknown until the shit hit the fan, and then you would find out he is the real deal. That would work.
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Oct 15, 2009 10:20:16 AM CDT
bishopfan85 Snyder is a good choice but he's got his eye on ano
by jettl93
WB is close to signing Synder on to direct and write the live action Version of The flashZach put together a demo reel and WB was thrilled, they think his stylisic choices of slowing and speeding the frame rate (an issue with more then a few of you i'm sure) will suit the world of the flash just perectlyThe main issue i think most are going to have with the flash involves the potential front runner in the casting, Let's just say, he was one of the final contneders for the green lantern role, WB is eager to work with him and he used to bang britney spears..however i saw his GL test footage and the guy is a strong actor with great comic timing, he probabaly would make a great flash
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This jealousy of JettL is not healthy. PillowT and JettL always have discussions how the jealousy within the industry. We've come to realize that we're above that sort of pettiness.
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you-know-who's comic timing and acting chops. I'm a little biased though, since I contributed to the GL script. I have to admit, it's killer stuff.
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he's lying to you guys..someone's living in a make belief landI didn't have much to do witj GL (i only saw the test footage because i am close friends with martin campbell, having met him during casino royale..pillow talk is nowhere near this property, and good..am i right?
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just as long as it's not Brett 'Polanski Apologist' Ratner isn't directing.
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I'm glad someone else agrees with me about Jon. I felt like I was fighting a lone battle.
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Yeah, Iron Man was an ok Superhero/Action film but it's not the Second Coming that many seem to think. I like Favreau, but now he thinks he's an auteur because of the Box Office success of IM. By that standard, Michael Bay is the next Alfred Hitchcock. I also think that there is a good chance that Iron Man 2 could be a dud. Granted it will still make serious change no matter what. But, I'm not so convinced of Favreau's infallibility.
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She can do action, that's completely certain. And the character work she directed in HURT LOCKER was fantastic. She knows how to do the teamwork interaction material very well. Oh yeah, since we're on the subject, what about Jeremy Renner for Cap?
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.."or disrupting our created reality" idea is bullshit. We live in a time where anything is possible cinema-wise. Where the Lord of the Rings made a billion dollars and the Dark Knight, a superhero movie, was universally lauded. The general audience is totally willing to accept that fantastical shit happens in a FANTASTICAL WORLD!
This hand wringing about diving into the fantastic is really fucking annoying. The general audience has been more than primed for unabashed superhero realities.
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For all of the continuity and "reality", the comic books still exist in a fanciful world that is, at the bottom line, silly. That's why WATCHMEN is so much better on the page. And Marvel really piles on the incongruous elements--but on the page it all looks great because, as comics, the fanciful elements all seem to work because it's all illustrated. I mean, the X-Men have the most laughable costumes, but as "superheroes" it is acceptable. In the movies, they fixed that by giving everyone black outfits (same with Batman). Now with THE AVENGERS, you have the same problem of fitting together all of these "silly" elements that work when drawn (or in their own individual films) and with arch dialogue and speech balloons--you accept all that. But in all of these films they strive for such "realism" that it makes no sense for Captain America to run around in that outfit. And Thor...why would he even join a superhero club? At least in the old Adam West "Batman" world, these questions never needed to be addressed because the world he existed in, like the DC comics of the era, was pretty ridiculous anyway. I mean, you could see THE DOOM PATROL or THE LEGION OF SUPERHEROES easily show up in the Batcave in 1966. Their outfits would even be of no real concern. But move forward to the 21st Century, and you have movies that need to make everything realistic, and somethings you just can't explain (or, that is, you can't EASILY explain), like why The Flash or Captain Mar-Vell would even wear those outfits!!! Good luck to whoever directs it. They'll need it.
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...good. Hey, i love the guy, but i think we need someone with a different vision for the Avengers. A director with an eye for widescreen epic.
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Is it because Sean Connery is too difficult to work with?
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Oct 15, 2009 11:18:35 AM CDT
The "costumes are silly" criticisms has always been bullshit too
by anakinsdiapers
..ever see the outfits at the big fashion shows? And people complain about superhero costumes....please.
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Oct 15, 2009 11:20:19 AM CDT
Honestly the differences of the personalities is what WILL make
by the green gargantua
It always has been that factor that makes a team of heavy hitters like Avengers or JLA work. The Dynamic between Thor and Stark writes it's self for fuck's sake. Stark: "How was your weekend Thor?" Thor: I was battling the frost giants my brother Loki invoked to plunder the treasure of my father Odin" Stark: ".....for real?."
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It looks nothing like a spider. And yet it is one of the most successful superhero franchises ever.
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towards a Secret Wars movie which is what I really want! And yes, with a giant Galactus in a purple unitard.
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just heard that someone in Iron Man 2 will be wearing the Captain America suit in ONE scene towards the end of the film and it WILL be a cameo. THIS COULD BE SICK. Film reviews at http://sickpicks.blogspot.com/
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and in production?
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..was the first person to run a mile in less than 4 minutes. Before he did so, no one thought it possible. Now, it's been done over and over since. Simply because no one has made a succesful "ensemble" hero film on the same level as "The Avengers" (The X-men movies don't count), doesn't mean it's not possible. As long as each member gets to "shine" in their particular "niche" in the group, it should work.
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Yeah I go back further then IM with Jon. Elf, hated that movie, boring and stupid and annoying. Same with Zathura. Also I don't think Jon knows how to make a good bad guy. Though I like Very Bad Things? Maybe because everyone in that movie is evil.
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Well it was entertaining! X-2 is the best ensemble so far. Even though it was heavily Wolvie-centric.
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Lookit, we're talking about a guy that grows over seven feet tall after he stubbs his toe, bulletproof, who's rage literally knows no bounds (madder he gets, stronger he gets).We're talking about a formerly diseased guy surviving after being suspended in time that goes into battle armed only with a shield that he throws at his enemies, richocheting back and forth before it returns to him like a boomerang.We're talking about a guy that uses trick arrows when fighting others armed with automatic weapons.We're talking about a sentient robot that can travel thru solid objects.We're talking about a 115lb woman that is able to stand toe-to-toe with these same aforementioned men.But all this is okay because their origins are based on science? What pretentiousness! this isn't "science" ...it's SCIENCE!! There's a huge difference between "science" and SCIENCE!! And that's okay because SCIENCE!! has Kirby written all over it.Get over yourself, Jon.
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from me JettL, but I was very involved with the GL script. Don't let your jealousy bring you down, man. You're better than that.BTW, Make Believe Land is a new Danny Glover vehicle that I'm involved in.
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is Neil McDonough. This guy has proved his acting chops (check out his alcoholic DA in the terribly underrated "Boomtown") over and over, but has yet to get any great film roles. Nobody looks the part more and his voice is perfect for shouting orders to the rest of the Avengers or across the battlefields in Europe, No he's not a big stsr but I'm sure he could hold his own with RDJ and Norton. It may never happen, but I will be disappointed if anyone else plays Steve Rogers.
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I am a lifelong IM fan From waaay back when the great Micheliie/Layton team made him a superstar 30 years ago. So I love IM. But, adding on to your post about the so called science behind the Avengers, even I have to admit, that when you put a man in an armored suit and slam him repeatedly into large solid objects, or have him repeatedly hit by large solid objects, then even if his armor does not show the effects of hammering, the man inside the suit will! It is the concussive effect that kills men in tanks. Like taking a balloon and filling it with water, and hit the balloon. The water sloshing around is the men in the tank, or the man in the armor. So ya, it really aint science we are talking about and Favs really needs to understand that even IM aint immune to that.
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Yeah because he's been awesome in Desperate Housewives, Street Fighter and That Rugby Movie. I like the guy, but a good actor he is not. Ravenous?
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...And maybe Favroo knows he's sitting on a lesser film than the first. "yup, I'll be too busy... I'll make sure of it..."
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Heh.
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..Hilarious.
You have to raise your index finger in the air while exclaiming "SCIENCE!" with Tesla coils erupting in the background to say it correctly.
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Tesla was a baaaad man. Some of the shit he wanted to do was downright scary.
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I like the guy as an actor, but he like many of the other names thrown out for the part (brad pitt, etc) is too old for the part.
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The guy did wonders with a small budget, under Peter Jackson. Imagine what he could do with the Marvel universe and with Favreau playing offensive line and deflecting the studio suits. Think of the Mr. Voice tagline: 'From the director of District 9, comes, The Avengers.' Plus, if Edward Burns turns down playing Banner, Blomkamp can convince Sharlto Copley to step into the role.
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...Edward Norton. Wrong Edward.
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I have to confess I don't know who they have in mind for this gig.
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Yeah, to those wanting Pitt for Captain America: he would have been perfect for the part about 10-12 years ago. The guy is in his mid forties now, and is unfortunately too old for it. They need an actor in his twenties who can play older, like Christopher Reeve. When Reeve was cast as Superman, he was in his mid-twenties but could easily pass for early thirties.
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Fantastic idea. Hats off, Orbots.
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Wow...I don't like a single name that's been suggested here - and yet I can't come up with anyone else I'd want to see in the role. I hope they cast the right guy. An unknown would be nice, but I don't see it happening.
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jesus where you just waiting behind a corner for me to turn up? that's fucking creepy man. hey i love Iron man & X3 pretty equally. But at least X3 didn't have that gay solid gold disco set up at the military complex awards. what the fuck was that?
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as I'm sure you do as well, which he wrote but did not direct. He is a decent writer, I think. I also liked Made which he wrote and directed. But it was easily forgettable. I didn't hate Elf as much as you did but I think that had more to do with my huge crush on Zooey Deschenal who looked yummy as a blond. Even though it was gross to cast her as the romantic lead to the middle-aged Ferrel. But, again just an "ok" movie. Nothing great. I see him as an average director who is obviously improving with experience as Iron Man is better than his previous films, but he has a ways to go until he can be considered an "auteur".
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yeah good idea there.i dont think he is an untalented actor,besides we are talking about a comic movie,not citizen kane.
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Leslie Neilsen!!!
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Why in the hell does almost every headline have exclamation points?! Is it a rule for the columnists here to use them to grab attention? Now-a-days the ones without them grab my attention, and everything else seems so overblown
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Favreau is just angling for a bigger payday and more control here. When he wasn't signed to direct Iron Man 2 he went on Howard Stern to basically bitch about contract negotiations and used the media and us fans to drive his quote up since Marvel was low balling him. He has a price in mind for the Avengers movie and all he's doing is saying "no" so he can get that price. Not to mention that if he's seriously worried about incorporating Thor he'll actually have the power to remove Thor from the equation and just let Branagh's film be a stand alone which it should be. Maybe Favre heard early word that Thor is brilliant and he's threatened that Branagh might get the big assignment or perhaps he knows Thor is a steaming pile of shit and he wants to get the power to remove the character from the universe he created and go more with characters he feels fits. Either way, his saying "I won't do it" is a negotiating ploy plain and simple.
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Get Owen Wilson and do it purely as a comedic ode. NO ONE will see Captain America except a couple of hardcore comic purists. Trust me, australia, England .... nup.
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..GIJoe's Duke. Too bad Sommers and paramount didn't take the franchise a little more seriously..as in taking examples from Larry Hama's Comic Canon?!!?
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It all comes down to the chin for Cap, people. And he's got the chin for it. As for Favreau not directing Avengers, that's a shame, but he really has to get over this "Oh noez, Thor won't fix in with mah Iron Manz!" complex, he's been complaining how it wasn't possible to mix the two since the first movie came out. It's a comic book flick, people buy shit like that. Anyway, I'd go with something like Zack Synder (IF he's kept on a leash to only 3 slow-motion shots the ENTIRE movie), Neill Blomkamp (Yeah, he's only made one 20 million sci-fi flick, but it's a REALLY GOOD 20 million sci-fi flick), and, further down the scale, McG (Terminator Salvation, if anything, looked really good in it's direction). And I don't know why, but maybe one of the directors from Lost. That show looks purty. Oh, and David Chase of the Sopranos just for the fuck of it.
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Just have everyone assume that Thor is an insane mutant or some lad tech who stole a technologically advance hammer, but then make with the amazing displays of power, bringing down lightning, teleporting 300 people, smashing the hulk. Keep it ambiguous. Is he a god? Or is he delusional? Gets the audience rooting for him to actually BE a norse god, just to prove Tony Stark wrong.
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I would do it justice and am able to combine all elements of the supernatural and technology into one that makes sense. And, it will be beautiful...
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"gay solid gold disco set up at the military complex awards"Yeah, that pretty much sums up that scene.
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from a director's standpoint...its going to come down to how they want the script to play out ..avengers is always 1 part tech, 1 part majic, part espionage...all on a over the top world saving scale...big names could handle it (scott and fincher are two good ones that come to mind..they can ground tech and fantasy in a hyper real world) or you can go to action directors like martin campbell or some such....
as for captain america...I know everyone likes chris pine in the role because he did a great kirk (actually he did a great shat) ..but after watching Fringe..I could see John Valley in the suit (physically and dramatically)...I think an unknown would carry the role farther...as capt starts as a virtual unknown..steve rogers becomes cap over time...just a thought. AN a-list star brings the money, sure..but they bring the baggage. the masses are going to want to see Brad pitt or matt mc beating up nazis....I want to see cap america beating up nazis...
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Oct 15, 2009 1:22:08 PM CDT
To all those who say that "Iron Man" could never happen...
by alaska1125
ominus is right...they're talking about it.
http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2008/0502_iron_man_singer.aspx
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If they're stupid enough to call cap's fliq THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA you know they're gonna dumb down this fliq's title. Unless THE HOUSE OF MOUSE has stepped in.
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A being from another world with almost unlimited power. Maybe Thor is an alien and what the Vikings thought were gods were actually alien beings they were worshipping. Just saying. Thor isn't any more unrealistic than Superman. Or the Hulk for that matter.
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This doesn't seem that complicated. Whichever the hottest character is after the films come out will be the "lead" and the rest are support against whatever menance is coming. If the Thor tone is too different than Iron Man and Hulk, then just Storm him and make him only show up for the big battles and say a couple wacky things.
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exactly my thoughts.
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Disagree about Cap not being in WWII. I think the first movie should have him be in WWII, and he gets thawed out in the AVENGERS movie. Why? Because that is how the comic did it. He was a fish out of water not in his own title at first, but in the AVENGERS. He was discovered by them just at the right time when they needed him - he is the King Arthur of the Marvel U.
And I think it could work on film. Have him be a fish out of water in the AVENGERS, but since so much is happening in that movie he only has a slight chance to react to it all. Then follow it up with a second Cap movie were you see what it is like for him personally and how he tries to rediscover the new, modern America. -
I was recently DRAGGED to see that piece of shit COUPLES RETREAT by Mrs AngryMovieNerd and I tell you; fifteen minutes into it I FUCKING WANTED TO RETREAT. I wanted to retreat all the way back out of my chair and out of the fucking cinema and cross the border. I wanted to retreat out of my fucking body and experience a motherfucking out of body experience to get away from it. It was shit. In fact it was shit that someone had puked up on. And there, right there, was Favreau - the fat fuck.I don't care what people say about Iron Man. He got lucky and had the right man in front of the camera. I don't want this guy directing The Avengers. He can just fuck off. I almost feel like he owes me now. Not just the money I paid for COUPLES RETREAT (and I bought two fucking tickets) but my time. Fuck that. He can come and paint my house. In fact, he can also drive me to fucking work using his own car. No, even that's not fucking enough. He can FUCKING CARRY ME ON HIS BACK to work for a week.Fuck you, you FAT FUCK. Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
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Oct 15, 2009 2:07:24 PM CDT
Ultimates handled it perfect in the book, just do that.
by the green gargantua
The character's differences are the strength of the story.I think it should be JJ in the directing chair, it is kind of a no brainer.
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u have an interesting idea there,but i propose a slight change:
Marvel Studios should make the Avengers movie as a trilogy,consisted of a linear crossover.what i mean is this:
we have the introductory movies about Thor,IM,Hulk and whoever else they are planning,ok?
But dont make the Cap movie now.Plan ahead.Make the avengers movie which will be the first chapter of the trilogy,but without Cap.Shield has set up the avengers team with im,hulk,thor etc,and stark is the leader.they have their first small victories,the public loves etc,BUT there are also of problems with the team.Stark is inexperienced as a leader,there are a lot of rivalries between the teammates,they also have their personal problems like starks drinking or pym beating his wife,generally they dont act as a real team.
Then the real big deal villains are showed up.I dont know who they will be,but they are of the big league,dangerous and powerful and determined to conquer the world.
At the end of the movie,Avengers try to stop them,but since they are more like divas and less than heroes,they fail miserably and their ass is kicked.The villainous team succeed to get a device,destroy a town,or something,anyway they succeed to complete the first part of their big plan.
Stark and Fury know that the villains have not been stopped and that they will show up again,so they desperately need someone who will be the leader of the avengers team,and make them the heroes they need to be.The movie ends with the discovery of Cap's frozen body.
THEN marvel releases the Captain America movie.The story will be the classic one,we learn about his past with flashbacs etc,cap is the first supersoldier,a ww2 veteran etc,and meanwhile we witness his efforts to
get used to the modern life,since he is a fish out of water.Ofc we see how he becomes the leader of the avengers,which wont be easy,since he has to face the whims of his teammates,his personal romantic life and the challenges of this modern era.At the end of the movie,Cap is finally accepted by everyone as the leader of the avengers team,just in time,since then the super villains appear again to complete their plan of conquering the world.
AND THEN the movie with the second chapter of the Avengers trilogy is released,continuing the story from the first movie.
I believe with this way,both the cap and avengers movies are benefited,since the audience will be all the time thrilled to see what happens next with the important plot points of the general story.u know like what they did with the ending of the empire strikes back,and the continuation of the story with ROTJ. -
Chances are you'll have people see the film because they liked Iron Man, OR Thor, OR Cap. And those characters having to deal with the reality of the other is exactly what will draw the audience in.
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Is who do they fight? Since all four of them are indestructable, who are they going to fight that doesn't end in like 2 minutes? Thats what I never liked about the Avergers, how do these four really have problems? Unless its just team drama mainly. Like Captain is banging everybodys gal. They should do it and just totally rip off The Specials.
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I've read reports that by all accounts, the enemy or 'big bad' in the Avengers will be an alien invasion by the Skrulls, basically the Ultimates comic.
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Oct 15, 2009 3:15:57 PM CDT
Series, the answer is in the summary of every old Avenger comic
by continentalop
"There came a day a day unlike any other when Earth's mightiest heroes and heroines found themselves united against a common threat. On that day, the Avengers were born -- to fight the foes NO SINGLE SUPER HERO could with stand. Through the years, their roster has prospered, changing many times, but their glory has never been denied. Heed the call, then -- for now the Avengers Assemble!"
Kang, Ultron, Grandmaster, Collector, Thanos, Masters of Evil, etc. Pretty much all of those guys qualify as a foe no single hero could face. -
Oct 15, 2009 3:17:43 PM CDT
In this P.C. world I want a women Cap and make her black.
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And I was going to brandish forth a similar one, but truthfully I don't think the studios would do it. They will probably play this safe and want to make sure they have all their big name heroes in it. And Cap is without a doubt one of the Avengers big names.
It is like if they do a Justice League movie I know they will have Batman and Superman in it, even though it probably would be better just to have those two be cameos or make a reference to them instead of including them. -
IF they can resist from trying to SQUEEEEEZZZEE all of the Cap revival story AND Cap the Avenger into one film. What you said could work, with him being thawed out, you see the glimmer of the stranger in a strange land, but then he is thrust into action immediately where the rest of the team realizes why this guy is such a selfless hero and why he is just the natural leader of the team. Cue the Cap sequel and the guy has a second to get his bearing and sees just how much the world has left him behind. Alright yeah, I really how that's how it shakes down.
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I'm looking for a cool multiplayer game that I can play with the buds when hanging out instead of just online.
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International Man of Mystery? Will the Collector be flying around in a Bob's Big Boy?
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who continually bash Cap America as unsellable over seas to get a grip on reality and to put away their liberal fucking guilt. You god damn fucksticks seem to forget every time this movie comes up that OUR culture has permeated nearly every country on earth. There's a fucking reason for that. They fucking love us and want every god damn ounce of EVERY god damn THING we have, while simultaneously they put up this facade of moral outrage and indignation like we're the bad guys. Fuck'em, this movie would make bank with or without a brand name.
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.. to play Baron Zemo. I've been shaking my fist and monologuing at everything in site to prepare for my role.... seriously though, the whole "crazy science is REAL but magic or anything supernatural is not" thing has always cracked me up. I can't wait for Thor, IM2, Cap, Avengers.. all of it!
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Fantastic Four sucked. X Men sort of sucked. Why, because they never write the individual heroes as heroes. They just lump one or two people together and call it a day.
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X-Men, the first movie to start the new era of superhero movies was such a failure that they never made another one.
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would play Cap?
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Who suggested Matthew McConeqhey or Bradley Cooper? Goofy surfer guys as Captain America? What? I don't think so. Cap has to have a military bearing, natural born leader, humble yet charismatic, all-American, etc, etc. No goofballs (McConeghy) or punk kids (someone mentioned Ryan Gosling. What? some pretty boy light-weight? No...) Eckhart can play this role well, and he is a big enough actor to stand next to RDJ as Stark. Mark Valley actually IS the real deal: West Point graduate, Army veteran of the Gulf War, practices martial arts, looks like Cap, adult who doesn't look twelve years old like some actors mentioned, has some decent acting credits (Boston Legal, Fringe, etc.). Look into it.
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That's like saying "I sort of had sex with your mother" or "AsimovLives is sort of a fuckwit".
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...it always annoys me when people go "lolz there's a dude who flies and you're worried about fantasy!?" Yes, Iron Man isn't technically in the 'real world,' but like any superhero movie the conceit is that he's the first of his kind. And it's going to take a little bit of finesse for whoever tackles the Avengers to go "oh yeah and there's magical beings too. What, you guys didn't know that?" That doesn't necessarily mean Favreau's being entirely truthful, but I would understand if he was concerned about clearing that hurdle.
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The first X Men film was awful, but apparently, it made money. They made one good one, and then it went back to shit again.
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It's a little late, but I'd like to respectfully disagree with your choice as Iron Man (or, as you put it, the sacred DK) as the best superhero movies made.Without a doubt, that honor goes to Pixar, for The Incredibles.What? You guys don't think so?
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Both definitely way up there.But Pixar takes it.
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Oct 15, 2009 4:35:10 PM CDT
Umm, Ominus? That movie was already made. Ultimates Avengers
by dirk_the_amoeba
The animated movie.
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The Captain America movie obviously should use the Red Skull as the primary villain, but the Avengers is tougher because of the power level and number of the heroes. Ultron is a good idea, but he is just one sole villain. To do that character properly means they need to have Hank Pym/Giant Man/Ant Man/Yellowjacket as a character. If they have use Pym, they need tyo have Janet Pym/The Wasp as well. I think that they should have these characters in the movie regardless of whether they use Ultron as the villain or not. The team needs to have a few second-stringers as background players to flesh out the team. The primary Avengers are obviously Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and the Hulk (in this movie, at least). They should add Hank Pym and Janet Pym, and probably Hawkeye, to fill out the original team. Janet Pym/the Wasp would allow them to cast a hot actress in the movie to add a box office draw (the Avengers are a bit too male centric). The producers might also consider the Scarlet Witch and her brother Quicksilver, which sets up the possibility of adding the Vision in later movies, as well as adds another female character. The talk of using Scarlett Johansen as the Black Widow is not my favorite idea. I wish that they would try to stick with characters that are either original Avengers in the canon, or who are closely associated with the Avengers over the long term (Vision, Scarlet Witch, the Wasp, Hank Pym/Yellowjacket, etc). Black Widow would be a good character for a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie, or as support in a Daredevil or another Iron Man movie, but she is not a major character in the Avenger's history.******Back to villains: Ultron is tough enough to fight the Avengers, but he is a sole villain, whereas the Avengers are many. The Skrulls are aliens, and I think that introducing them in the first Avengers movie complicates an already complicated Avengers mythology. The Skrulls would be much better introduced in a good Fantastic Four movie. I would suggest that the producers look into using Count Nefaria. Nefaria is a sort of Moriarity-like scientific genius super-villain. He initially has no great powers, but uses his science to steal others powers and becomes super-powerful himself, on the order of Superman: invulnerable, super-strong, fast, able to fire laser-like beams from his eyes, etc. In this empowered state, he has fought the enitre Avengers team to a standstill, just on his own. The good thing about Nefaria is that he initially has to use a group of super-villains to fight the Avengers before he can steal their powers for himself. This enables the possibility of the Avengers first fighting a team of super-powered thugs who are being sent by Nefaria, and then fighting the super-powered Nefaria himself. This creates multiple enemies for the whole Avengers team, an evil genius who is behind the villains, and a final confrontation with a massively super-powered version of the evil genius as a finale. This scenario also has the advantage of the villains being super-powered humans from Earth, which is more relatable than the alien Skrulls, who really have no clear personalities other than being nasty aliens. Nefaria and his super-villain lackeys are a more traditonal style of opponent in the comic book scheme. The classic Avengers comics where the basis for this Nefaria story ocurred were produced by Marvel in the 1980s, and were drawn by the great comic artist Georgre Perez. I suggest those unfamiliar with these comics look into them, as they are one of the greatest representations of the Avengers team ever done. (Perez also was illustrator of a classic Ultron story arc involving a female robot mate named Jocasta, mirroring the story of the Frankenstein Monster, grist for perhaps another Avengers movie story).
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No - So get Neil Blomkamp.
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Paragraphs can be your friend. with no spaces between the last sentence and the start of the new paragraph.
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That didn't come out right. Type with no spaces. Sorry.
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If Disney wants him bad enough, they can give him what he wants.
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is going to be awk-waaard. Everyone can agree on that.
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Watch it and weep you forign motherfuckers.
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...having a good director *is* important, but as Favreau is alluding to, it is going to take a cohesive script that does a good job. And one thing I think Favreau needs to get out of his mind is that introducing Thor = ruining his attempt to make Iron Man "real" (cough, cough, ahem). Iron Man can do its thing in the Iron Man films and it can fudge a bit for the Avengers. Participation in one, in this case, does not defeat participation in the other.
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...is a Captain Britain movie.
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Maybe Favreau would reconsider tackling Thor in The Avengers movie if it was decided to treat Thor as if he might be a nut-job who only thinks he's a god. This is how Mark Millar successfully dealt with the God of Thunder in The Ultimates.
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And get Ferrigno back for Hulk.
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COME ON JOHN ITS A FUCKING SUPERHERO MOVIE WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WITH REALISM NOW GIVE ME A BREAK. GET JJ "THE MAN" ABRAMS OR KEN BURNS :)
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JAY LENO FOR CAP. HE HAS THE CHIN
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successfully deal with Thor in the Ultimates? yes he did a good introduction of Thor in the first volume,but in the second he fucked up everything completely.Do u remember in vol2,the scene where Thor reveals that he is truly a god and then his immortal companios appear to help him with the battle.And then we get gods fighting international terrorists,alongside with americans soldiers and superheroes in order to free usa? that scene was totally ridiculous,even in a comic which was supposed to be 'realistic'.
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He is the classic "Man from a different time" character. Like A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's court, or HG Wells in "Somewhere in Time", etc. It is a classic archetype - nothing you can do about it resembling Austin Powers.
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I never thought of Steve Rogers being played by Mike Myers ...
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You mean the action-packed Ultimates story with an eight-page fold-out battle scene? Brilliant, wasn't it?
As I said in my post: Thor can be treated as if he MIGHT be a nut-job, but he is finally revealed to be a Norse God. If this doesn't happen then what's the point of having Thor? Millar did feature The Defenders, who ARE a bunch of deluded losers with no powers - but you can only go so far with that story-line (hold on, Millar has run with that idea in Kick Ass...) -
point is that Marvel Studios doesnt necessarily have to release all the introduction movie together,and then make the avengers movie.They can release them in a linear crossover,as parts of the whole general story.They do it like this all the time in their comics,in order to keep the geeks buying all their various comics,i think they can successfully apply this in their movies too.
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but i am sorry i didnt like it,it was cool but it didnt fit very well the ultimate setting,the tone of the series millar had already established.
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just tell me who's playing Emma Peel
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sorry, no one else has that voice or look.
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OPPS
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Patrick is one year older than RDJ.
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He stretched that out over two volumes, had Thor get the shit kicked out of him and "revealed" to be a delusional medical student, and THEN, after all that, he finally played the "Yeah, Thor is a Norse God of yore" card. It was about the build up, and I agree it worked perfectly in Ultiamtes 2. That can't play in an Avengers movie. Why? Because the Thor movie is coming out first. It's already going to be revealed, in that movie, that he *is* a Norse God with Loki and so forth and all that jazz. Can't turn around and suddenly play the "is he or isn't he" game in Avengers.
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HE WOULD MAKE A BETTER CAPT. MARVEL. AND ALSO I CANT PICTURE HIM WITH BLOND HAIR
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fury and kingpin were black in the movies.so why not Cap? oh i forgot he represents the spirit of america...
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of Thor.Thor used his hammer to transport the alien bomb to another dimension,a bomb which was capable of destroying the whole solar system.Now at the start of vol2,the disguised Loki persuades the avengers,that thor was his brother who stole an experimental armor who gave superpowers.ok.but how exactly did he manage to transport the bomb in another dimension? Loki didnt mention anything about the hammer being a transportation device which could send objects to other dimensions.oh well.
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Will Smith for Captain America...Overseas problem, solved...Imagine the Secret Soldier formula woked on a Muskeegee type experiment in the 40's...Bucky Barns plays Cap in photos and staged newsreels for the masses back home, but it is really a Black Man whippin' all that Nazi Ass....
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as long as the guy playing him can act (Will Smith can't act).
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he was supposed to be the first test subject,before they tried the super serum in rogers.
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Battlestar? his grandson was the black kid in Young Avengers...the Patriot?
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Lucy Liu for Hawkeye
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"Now at the start of vol2,the disguised Loki persuades the avengers,that thor was his brother who stole an experimental armor who gave superpowers."
im pretty sure that happened in vol. 1
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wtf?
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Isaiah Bradley is the black cap. though technically he was never captain america. they just tested the super soldier serum on him before trying it on steve rogers. isaiah's grandson is the patriot from young avengers. who, has no super powers. he claimed to have the serum in his blood, but lied. he was taking mutant growth hormone to get powers. yes, im a geek
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Fuck Yeah!!! What records do the Barry Bonds of the Marvel Universe hold?
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Fav good but lets not inflate his ego too much!And if anyone can't see the potential of a Spider-Man(minus Tobey) and Human Torch(with Evans) Teamup then they are blind!!!
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"Don't say a word to Coach, or I'll...I'll fuck you up..."
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In part one the Thor story was whether or not he liked America enough to help the Ultimates. In part 2 he was locked up in the looney bin while one of the Liberators (is that what they were called) wore his belt.
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yep. MGH is a drug that came from the x-men universe. it gives you temporary powers. kids getting hopped up on it and fucking shit up!
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...they need to play Immigrant Song by Zeppelin over a flashily edited highlight reel for the trailer. "Hammer of the gods...'
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"he likes to stand there to say, boo!"
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...they should make the next X-Men the Age of Apocalypse story, everyone knows the characters well enough, and it would be good to get someone loose to come and totally fuck the characters up onscreen. Although James Marsden with long hair would be pretty scary.
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Is the irony completely lost upon you?You heard about that World War II thing and that Hitler guy, yes? Remember what was said about those supposed experiment type things where they were trying to create, like, a master race or something? I dunno. They were supposed to have blue eyes and, like, blond hair, I think.Now, imagine being the Red Fucking Skull and you've had your ass handed to you by someone you've been led to believe is part of some "master race" or something.Re-imagining comic book characters that have been around 50+ years as minorities does not make them interesting. It only obviates that white guilt does indeed exist.And, oh yes, I'm a total racist. Just ask Doc Padoucheu, arbiter of moral equivalency and paragon of all things talkback. That I am an American Powhatan is of no consequence.
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Brian Singer didn't ruin shit. No one gives a fuck about your worthless opinion, because it's not supported anywhere outside of that deluded little head of yours.
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Oct 15, 2009 7:31:19 PM CDT
it makes perfect sense to get your ass kicked by a member of the
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he is superior after all, it's expected for him to win. what would be ironic is if he got his ass kicked by a member of the "inferior" race. don't worry, everybody gets irony wrong.
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Swingers? Suck my dick. It swings.
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Because we have gone from a society that was dominated by one race or ethnic type, white people, to a much more multicultural one. Cap is a character that suffers shock at how things change, and race and racism is one thing that has changed.
Cap is no racist, but he is still a child of the Great Depression and WWII. He has a different outlook than we do - some of it better than ours (the buckled down, get it down attitude of the Greatest Generation) and some of it probably outdated (the roles of the sexes and views about fashion, music and how one acts). It is much more shocking for a white guy to find himself in an era where there is a black president, than a black guy finding himself in that same era.
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...but I mean it.Pretend you're the Red Skull. You believe in your cause completely and fight the enemy with valor. You hear about this guy that has become a living symbol which inspires everyone on the other side. You finally meet him face to face and discover that he's white, blond, and blue eyed. That's some shit for your ass. That's some shit that Will Smiff, frankly, cannot provide.I'd be down with reimagining Rogers as a Jew. That would add even more ironic weight. Yet the faith of Ben Grimm and Kitty Pryde was never revealed in their movie versions, so I doubt they'd go that route.
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Jack Kirby was Jewish, yes. And Grimm was based on Kirby. But Kirby patterned many of the things about himself and Grimm on his idol, James Cagney.
I always thought Ben Grimm should of had a Irish dad and a Jewish mom. Technically, he would be Jewish (through his mom's side) but he also would be very Cagney like, which is what Kirby wanted.
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I can't wait to read the whining kicking and screaming by everyone at AICN. Regardless if he's good or not, Will Smith in a Marvel film will generate boat loads of cash. And you know he's a fucking egomaniac, and he wants to be the fist "Black Captain America". Say hello to Isaiah Bradley.
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...meaning, as we know it today? There was a lot of rank stuff produced in the 50s, nearly 10-years after Rogers was literally put on ice.Whenever Cap's "fish out of water" nature is brought up, it's always juxtaposed against modern fashion, music, women's equality, pop culture, etc. The fact is, he'd also be wondering why everyone's drinking out of the same bubbler.
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Fuck dramatic weight. After all, X2 scored 88% on RT.
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Imagine The Dark Knight, imagine Batman and Gordon looking over DNA evidence and examining call lists and doing detective work, tracking down the Joker and Ducard, being all realistic and gritty, standing on a rooftop with the Batsignal and the District Attorney and other cops and Federal Agents, using technology and surveillence and the scientific method, trudging through sewers, fistfights and body armor and night vision and batarangs, judges being killed, chaos and all that, then Superman and Wonder Woman landing on the roof in an invisible jet ... that would be like a fucking Norse GOD linking up with Iron Man and The Hulk. That line is crossed, and the audience knows it, and it's never the same after that.
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Cap might be more racist than we are nowadays, but I think the fact that he was from NY would mean he can deal with people of different heritages easier than say a guy from the south in 1930s.
Racism was very prevalent in NY, that is for sure, but they didn't have laws for segregation like they had in the south. Most segregation was done as a kind of "Gentleman's agreement" in the North, or was based on ethnic and not racial lines.
Plus, Steve Rogers is a firm New Dealer. And as a New Dealer he backs the presidents idea that people of all races deserve a shot at jobs and opportunities. FDR might have wimped out on the anti-lynching laws and integrating the armed forces, but he did pass equal opportunity laws and made sure government jobs and money went to blacks as well as white. I see Steve Rogers following his example (of at least FDR's words and not necessarily his actions).
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Oct 15, 2009 8:04:22 PM CDT
I never had a problem with Ben Grimm being Jewish
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Both of his creators were Jewish, his background in NYC is a Jewish district. Nerp. No problems there. I think Cap should be white because he does reflect his generation from the forties.
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As long as it is done correctly.
Star Wars has aliens, robots, space ships, weird creatures AND mystical knights who use magic. Harry Potter has things just as absurd as that, but even more so.
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But I do think they should have added some Cagney element to him, because that is who Kirby patterned him on (as well as who he patterned himself on).
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Oct 15, 2009 8:11:57 PM CDT
Well, he could still have some Cagney and be Jewish
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
I think that area of New York was a melting pot back when he was created, so they probably all types of personalities. Hey, Edward G Robinson played Italian gangsters!
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and focus on "fish out of water" aspects with Thor on Earth, Cap 50 years in the future from when he went to sleep, Hulk fighting the urge to smash everything and Stark struggling to be the "normal" guy in all of this. Bring in the drinking, the internal fights, the media backlash blah blah blah and then they'll all put everything aside, learn from each other and join together to defeat Emperor Zurg (or whoever is being villainous; it doesn't really matteR) at the end.
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but that'd be about 5 hours we could do without in a superhero movie.
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But can't see them not putting Cap in the first one.
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setting up a fantastic universe where "anything is possible". Cap traveled through time. Thor is from another dimension. That has to be UNDERSTOOD from the begining. Ultron with a Pym/Vision plot would be sweet. Good villian introducing other characters. Dowit. Ultron. Dowit.
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They didn't set themselves up as anything other than fantasy. Star Wars is really your classic fantasy novel set in space, like LOTR in many ways.
Iron Man, Hulk are set in worlds of rediculous advanced (dare I say fringe) science, but sciene and not fantasy.
So you have expectations already from audiences that know these two characters. These expectations didn't exist with Star Wars or Harry Potter, and in fact with harry Potter most people's expectations were set based on the books.
What would be an interesting comparrison is for Superman to appear in Nolan's next Batman.
This of course would be a much much easier sell given how well known and understood Supes is.
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He's good enough, good enough for RIP! shame, shame- he's part of the Goonies too you know!
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He's good enough, good enough for RIP! shame, shame- he's part of the Goonies too you know!
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Can illustrate the new vs. old "how far we have fallen due to our dependence on technology". A loss of work ethic and independence.
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The Avengers fantastic universe is set up in no less than 5 movies before the Avengers Movie. I say other than some quick intro that's enough?
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It's very simple. Don't explain him, he's just there. Have him talk about frost giants and let the other characters roll their eyes/laugh at him. But when he's needed he brings the thundaaaa! Avengers is for true True Believers!
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While I'm sure that Captain America isn't going to be identifed as Jewish in the movie (or as "anything"), he could be played by a Jewish actor. Eric Dane is often mentioned as a possibility, and he's actually Jewish.
Gabriel Macht (also Jewish) would be a good choice, except he played The Spirit, so that might go against him.
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or i will boycott. Pitt is not too old,has a good build,definitely has the face for it. must have Red Skull as well. imagine the opening act of Hellboy,but for a whole 100 minutes. count me in! Thor=Meh... can't see it making much money,but who knows,we'll have to wait and see.
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Yup. I caught some of your previous posts and I couldn't agree more. Throw us in the middle of it. We don't need anymore set up. If the narrative is there the general public should be able to fall right into it.
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Guild build, yes. Build of the perfect human fighting machine, fuck no. Pitt is built like a model. not like Cap.
Going by the Marvel Universe Handbooks, Cap is 6'2", 240lbs, all of it muscle. You want to know what that looks like, look at John Cena and cut his body fat in half.
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His ethnic mix is the best representation of America.
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Keanu/Steve Rogers tries out for the military in the early 20th century, but he looks too airheaded and possibly Asian to serve in Uncle Sam's army, and is rejected more swiftfully than Taylor (Swift that is). Depressed, he goes into his father's balloon and the balloon flies off uncontollably, everyone calling him balloon boy. The balloon comes crashing down in area 51 where Keanu/Steve lands comically ass first on a syringe with the super serum. He promptly gains 74.76 pounds of muscle (which the scientists think is a sign because 7.4.1776=Pivotal date in American history) and is recruited to be the embodiment of these united states, Captain America.
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that was retardly fucking awesome!!! Would NEVER want to see it made, but damn that was hilarious
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Oct 16, 2009 12:41:17 AM CDT
The guy who is playing Thor (Kirk's dad) would be good as Cap
by miyamoto_musashi
Alexander Skarsagard should be playing Thor
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he is too old now. And that sucks, really, in the way that it sucks that Steve McQueen isn't around anymore. Whatever. If we could have gotten him circa True Romance or even Fight Club, no discussion.
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All movie adaptations of comics that have been done have totally excluded any supernatural aspect (thanks god). Example: F4's Dr.Doom is quite powerful in dark magic, but in the movie he's only a metal lightning-shooter.
The reason for this is smart: none wants to see chessy supernatural stuff! I doubt Thor will be a successful movie for this reason. Also, I hope Thor will be left out of Avengers.
Men: Thor is stronger than Hulk and he's immortal! What more??? -
buying books and tshirts and toys and shit, so Cap will have to look similarly to how he already does. The general public won't understand an alt universe version.
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Banning supernatural characters like Thor from The Mighty Avengers is simply bad business. In addition to being contrary to the essence of the Marvel U, or any superhero universe (a genre casserole).
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So, c'mon - this story is dull. Let's discuss Cap casting like they haven't already cast the role and they are just holding out for the cameo in IM2. I still say Ryan Gosling and I defy every one of you m'fuckers to explain to me, in no uncertain terms (having seen "The Beleiver" and "Half Nelson", of course), why we would choose otherwise. Again, given the age in which we live, Cap's patriotism must have an undercurrent of menace, paranoia, etc. As I mentioned before, those who haven't read American Flagg should check it out - this book should inform the script for "First Avenger" (kind of an oxymoron, no?).
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Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.Just replace "Spaceballs" with "Thor."
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Bale. He'd start out skinny, and then put on the bulk. He can do haunted innocence. He might balk at doing a summer blockbuster movie, though.
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Fruit Stripe Gum. Can be a gently fluctuating spectrum. Like a mood ring.
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I really dig this idea, frankly. I think the modern day Cap ought to look more like...wait for it...Tiger Woods. But that isn't going to happen because we still cling to our Aryan Brotherhood roots in this country for some sad reason. A bit lame - a norse god and a blond/blue eyed symbol of patriotism running around in tights. wtf?
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make a gradation of the spectrum, as one travels forward.
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typing late, again.
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Why not throw your "Thor is too Wagnerian" in there while you're at it?
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Exactly - the Bale that made American Psycho. Super heroes should be conflicted - Stark has his bottle, Banner his rage, Wayne has his abandonment complex...Cap must have the same kind of mental disorder that drives him out into the street. You need actors of the caliber of Bale, Downey, Norton, etc. to make it about the psychological problems of the "hero". The thing that distinguishes the Avengers from the JLA (from the old school comics, not the modern day cartoons), for me anyway, was that these people were deeply flawed but driven to do the right thing anyway.
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Dude, I've been waiting years to say Wagnerian in a TB (I think the last time was when Nightcrawler finally appeared in X2). God bless you for acknowledging it. God bless us all.
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For the blessing of God. I say Alexander Skarsgård could play Cap, he did pretty good in that TV-show with soldiers.
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I disagree because Cap isn't about modern America. He is about our roots and our heritage. Like it or not, that means predominantly a white america. It isn't racist, it is just a fact (it would be like having a thawed out King Arthur be an Indian or a Pakistani over in England).
I agree about every major Marvel character having some sort of psychological flaw. But remember, Stark didn't develop his love for the Bottle until the late 70s/early 80s, and Pym didn't develop his low self-esteem and marital problems until the 80s as well.
Caps psychological flaw has always been his idealism and the fact he is a man out of his time. Those two traits always run into each other. His belief in America was almost shattered in the 70s when he found out Richard Nixon was head of the Secret Empire, and in the 80s his idealism and moral beliefs were once again challenged when he was forced to kill a terrorist member of Ultimatum (Cap giving up on killing after WWII and the death of Bucky - he had seen enough bloodshed). -
You heard it here. From Spymunk. THOR will ruin all the good-will created by the previous movies. There is just NO WAY they're going to approach it from the LOTR perspective. Folks, this movie is going to resemble HELLBOY - and that's not a compliment. It's going to be very shlocky B-movie dialogue with lines like "Hey, big guy - I've got a big hammer too!" and "You woke the baby!" Watch and see. And the guy they've gotten to play THOR, while AWESOME in A PERFECT GETAWAY, isn't going to draw people to the movies ... as witness by A PERFECT GETAWAY. That movie was amazing.
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THOR is the 800-lbs gorilla in the room.
The guy above who immediately asked "Why didn't Favreau think of this earlier?" is also right. I guess Favreau finally just gave up trying to reconcile magic with tech and passed the hot potato. -
Favreau is just saving face.
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I'm sure it would of been cheaper, and much easier to translate on film. I don't know why Marvel has such a hard on for Thor.
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If they don't have a hard on for Thor, someone else will make a movie titled "Thor." Think about it...
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Thor's only a god because of his midichlorian count. Done and done.
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Oct 16, 2009 11:03:49 AM CDT
Re: "as long as the guy playing him can act (Will Smith can't ac
by stalkeye
I digress, Cheyenne, ever saw Six Degrees of speration? Will can act, but he accepts one too many shitty roles. Cap should be Caucasian/White just like Spiderman is White.A Black Nick Fury is "all good" however. (Muthafuk Hasslehoff)
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So mabye Neil McDonnough can make for a good Cap'n A.
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he is perfect.
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Or better yet, Glenn Beck if you want to go with the crazy angle.
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by an older actor in his 50s as opposed to a Ryan Reynolds type.
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.. but more of an equalizer. You've got all these smarty pants guys like Richards, Pym, Stark etc. so you need guys like Thor or Dr. Strange to really throw a wrench in the works. That's what I love about Doom. He can go toe to toe with Richards in the brains dept. but he's also got the mysticism angle to make him an added threat. Science fears what it can't explain away... magic just messes with people's heads in general because it shouldn't exist in a scientific world. Plus it's just fun... I always loved the old FF issues with Agatha Harkness as well.
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I was in the military US Army. I went in when I was 17. Got mommy an Daddy's permission. And the average age of a Captain was about 24-26. And yes Cap should be White. Because Steve Rogers is white. We all know what he looks like. I have 3 shirts with him on it. If they want to reference the earlier experiment with the black soldier. They can do that too showing that it worked but their was a problem. It also opens up a chance for young Avengers leading to a tween movie. Staring one of the Zack and Cody (the suite life Avengers). It is Disney after all.
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Nick Fury. Charlie Hunnam as Cap. He already has the self righteous "I trying to help everyone" thing going on Sons of Anarchy. I wanna see Cap come flying in on a 1941 Indian Cycle and blast his shield of a bunch of Krauts skulls. Picture this....Nick Fury is leading the Howling Commandos against an entrenched Nazi unit. Fury is pinned down. Machine gun fire rips into the log he is tucked behind sending splinters into his eye(hence the eye patch). Cap whips shield bing bang boom. Lets go get Red Skull and Baron Zemo.
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Jett, you need to come out of your shell. You need to move on. Direct The Avengers, please. We know you've had offers.
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