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Paramount Recruiting Its Next Jack Ryan From The Bridge Of The Starship Enterprise!
Beaks here...
Paramount could certainly do worse than to cast Chris Pine as the new Jack Ryan. They have done worse - i.e. hiring Harrison Ford to replace Alec Baldwin on PATRIOT GAMES while he was off playing Stanley Kowalski on Broadway. And since it sounds like they're planning to write a completely original Jack Ryan adventure (rather than further fuck up the chronology of Tom Clancy's print series), I can't imagine fans of the character will have a problem with twenty-nine-year-old Pine playing the heroic CIA analyst.
According to Variety, Paramount has "begun negotiations" with the new Captain Kirk to star in their Ryan reboot, which will be based on a screenplay credited to Hossein Amini (JUDE, THE WINGS OF THE DOVE, THE FOUR FEATHERS, KILLSHOT and the currently shelved SHANGHAI). Mace Neufeld, who oversaw the previous four Ryan films, will produce alongside Lorenzo di Bonaventura. There's no word on the plot, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that the villains will hail from either North Korea or Iran. As for a production start date, I can't imagine this film will get underway before late 2010.
Just be thankful they're not remaking THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER.
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But this is my very first post here after years of lurking!
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two franchise characters; it dilutes both franchises. I'm surprised that J.J Abrams would allow this or that Chris Pine would agree to it.
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The Hunt For ProActive
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No love for Harrison Ford, eh? I liked him quite a bit as Jack Ryan, actually.
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Look at the history of the Jack Ryan character, though. There's not exactly any certainty Pine is going to stay involved for a presumed 2nd picture.
Alec Baldwin in "The Hunt for Red October" (1990)Harrison Ford in "Patriot Games" (1992) and "Clear and Present Danger" (1994)Ben Affleck in "The Sum of All Fears" (2002) -
Harrison Ford is the shit but he's too old now. Christopher Lee basically IS Saruman but I don't think we're going to get him in The Hobbit either (dude is pushing 90 and might not survive a plane ride to New Zealand)
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"Red October" was fun, but Connery's show to steal. "Patriot Games" and "Clear & Present Danger" are underrated, understated action/drama gems.
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To have the North Koreans or the Iranians as the villians. Nope, it will be Nazi's, just like the 're-imagined' disaster last time.
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"They have done worse - i.e. hiring Harrison Ford to replace Alec Baldwin on PATRIOT GAMES"
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StarWarsRedux is correct!!!
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I'm sorry but this just works for me. He is a solid actor and I think could make Jack Ryan a memorable character like Bourne or Bond. Not to say the character isn't already I just meant for the main stream.
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no more imports
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Not Star Trek, but those Jack Ryan movies. They're shit.
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Baldwin should have stuck with it...but Ben Afflack wasn't as bad as Ford? Really?
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Yeah, I thought I must have misunderstood the headline on this one. As much as I love Alec Baldwin (more now, for his comedy than anything else..), Harrison was an upgrade in the series...
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As a longtime Tom Clancy reader, I liked Baldwin better than Ford because Baldwin gave off a stronger sense of self satisfaction as Ryan. Ryan is always a good man, but I read him as being just a bit of a smug prick too. Baldwin can play that, whereas Ford is just a completely altruistic bad-ass saint as Jack Ryan.
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He's actually talking out of his ass.
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Beaks you truly are a moron. Yeah, why would paramount hire one of the biggest stars in the world to be in Patriot Games? How dumb of them. I just you think you're being cool or something by saying it but you're really just sad.
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..We may disagree with Beaks, but let's not act like a bunch of douchebags about it. The guy is entitled to his opinion, even if he's wrong :D
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But that's largely why I liked the Ford/Noyce movies, too. Baldwin had a zealous streak that was fine if you liked Clancy's view of things, but F/N added a much appreciated sense of nuance to the stories. Ford's Ryan was a very nicely apolitical character, when you get right down to it, a regular citizen who simply stood up for what was right, and confronted what was wrong. It's a picture of an American patriotism that remains proud, yet not smug, always measured with a sense of personal and national responsibility. Plus, Noyce's filmmaking is just a whole lot less showy than "Red October", much more believable.
Anyway. Pine is too goddamn young, as was Affleck. And what's the point of doing a Jack Ryan movie if it isn't based on one of the books? Sorry, but Tom Clancy's world is not as apt for reimaginings or original stories as Ian Flemming's. -
Paramount fucked up royally by not waiting for Baldwin to make "Patriot Games." And, of course, Baldwin fucked up by not doing it when they wanted him. They could STILL be making those movies today.
Yeah, Paramount got two Ford hits out of it, but they could have gotten five or six with Baldwin (and Baldwin would likely still be a movie star). He was MUCH better suited for the role. -
From what I gathered about the character, he's primarily an analyst who has glances with real danger. He's sort of an unlikely hero who is thrust into places he doesn't belong because, despite his pencil pushing tendencies, he just can't let it go. That's why people root for him. Not because he's another Jason Borne super action guy, but because he's extremely ill equipped to deal with getting missle's shot at him, but he's there anyway. I can really see them making the mistake of pushing for more action, especially since they're taking to Chris Pine, who was terrific as Kirk btw. Let's face it. That was a great demonstration that he has what it takes to play action, but let's see if he can reign in the character to something more meek. Remember in Hunt for Red October when Alec was hanging from the helicopter looking terrified, and then cut the cord and dumped in the ocean? And how the skipper was in disbelief and a little angry for it? That's the heart of the character to me. If Pine can do THAT then I think we should all applaud him for it.
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Nigga, please. Dumbest thing you've ever written, Beaks.
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...Because I'd be making a lot of pervy giggles over Chris. :)
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Let's reboot the reboot with the guy who starred in that reboot. More coke for Hollyweird execs!!!!
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Baldwin was the tits! He had that "Holy shit!" thing down perfectly. I read those books back in middle school and never accepted Harrison Ford's take on the character (by that I mean Ford playing Henry from REGARDING HENRY). Pine is cocky, he comes across as a crafty fella too- I support him taking on this role.
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It's time for Mitch Rapp!
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I think some other people here have stated that there also needs to be an element of ballsy-ness to the character, to which I'd have to agree. It's difficult to place, but it's sort of like that Ivy league "I know I'm right" mentality that drives him forward, even into risky situations. It's a very fine line though, and could easily be mishandled.
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No Ben Affleck = win
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Completely agree with you sir
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Which is why Baldwin was perfect. He was 100% believable as a know-it-all Ivy League grad. Ford was more like retired military: tough, capable, but not terribly cerebral.And while I've taken shit over the years defending CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER (the killing box sequence is aces), I've never been crazy enough to suggest it's better than THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. That's top-shelf McTiernan.
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Oct 13, 2009 9:54:45 PM CDT
The Only Jack Ryan Novels I haven't read were The Bear and The D
by saintsaucey
I am fine with rebooting but they should remake the series based on the books they have. No new stories.
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Hell yeah redshirt. It'll never happen though, hollywood dont have the balls.
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Hi, I'm Jack Ryan. What does CIA mean?
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Ford was the best thing that ever happened to the Ryan franchise. You, on the other hand, are the worst piece of shit since Merrick.
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Assuming 1984 is the year you were born, you saying Ford is the best thing that has happened to that franchise can be taken with a grain of fucking salt. Only an asshole like yourself would parlay a stupid comment like that along with criticizing the people that let a dopey cock gobbler like yourself post on THEIR forum. Go fuck yourself before blowing your brains your, asshole.
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Oct 13, 2009 10:09:46 PM CDT
Having Pine will make it too much like Bourne tbh.
by scriptgirl_nipples
So what's the fucking point?
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he's better than laboof, nick cannon and the guy who was duke in gijoe and most other dude actors nowadays
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Vince Flynn is going to be on Hugh Hewitt tomorrow! Check it out. Maybe he will have some good movie news for us! Who do you see as Mitch?
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The problem is you know the studio is going to push it that way, especially seeing as they're not utilizing an existing story it's license for them to go batshit. It's going to come down to the director and the producers pushing with Pine to keep the actual characters core in check. So, no chance.
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Still ranks in as one of my favorite films. I'm not saying that it is better than the others, just saying that at the time I watched it in my childhood, it really resonated. It's much more than a movie to me, and that's just because it had such a presence in my upbringing.
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Oct 13, 2009 10:20:17 PM CDT
The Hunt For Red October is the 3rd best Jack Ryan movie.
by failureatthecave
You all know I'm right.
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Uh... one actor... playing two franchise characters...
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I was hoping on getting a Rainbow 6 movie. Having Ford back to play President Ryan and play it just like the book. And to the guy who didnt read The Bear and The Dragon yet, you should, it's a slow starter but half way through when the shit hits the fan and there's all out total fucking war between China and Russia it's gets insane. Besides, Rainbow has a couple amazing scenes in there. The Sum Of All Fears was meant to be a restart of the franchise if I'm not mistaken, but I thought Ben was just the worst thing to ever happen to Ryan, the one bright spot in there was Liev as Clark.
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Fucking Fugitive, man.
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Oct 13, 2009 10:47:56 PM CDT
Chris Pine is a rising superstar. I'll take him in anything.
by ganymede3010
This has the IT factor and he'd be perfect for Jack Ryan.
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Someone give James Cameron a copy of Without Remorse.
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The Jack Ryan movies suck. This franchise should stay buried.
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Yeah! I was talking with the old man the other day about who could be a young kick ass Ryan. The character is an ex-Marine so he needs to be able to throw some punches, but being an analyst, look like its been a while since he did. Chris Pine will be much better than Affleck!
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the transition from Russian to English in that film was genius. So McTiernan in top form, add a great cast and you get a perfect cold war thriller and a solid adaptation of the source material.
The problem with subsequent Ryanverse films is that they are placed in the post cold war era, unlike the original books. I think that is why they did Patriot Games (IRA conflict) and Clear and Present Danger (Colombian drug cartels) - they are just not as threatening in scope or in consequence as the old Soviet threat.
Add to that weird Fordisms like "Ryan won't carry a gun" in CAPD, even though he was a former US Marine and you get that common sequel problem of diminishing expectations and diminishing returns for the rest of the series.
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saintsaucy stole my sandwiches! Actually, just my point. Make Without Remorse already! It's great: lots of action, period piece, driven loner, lethal killer, cool kill scenes, Vietnam element, damsels in distress.... Just MAKE IT ALREADY!
As for the debate, Big Bad Wolf, just ignore proman84, he probably thinks Clooney was the bomb as the Bat. The books portray Ryan as a man driven by honor, family, and patriotism, an intelligent and deliberate man not afraid to take action (he was a Marine officer briefly). Ford had the action part, but Baldwin had the cerebral part, the part willing to take chances to do the right thing. He drops out of the chopper and lies to Mancuso not to prove himself right, but to save the lives of Ramius and the others who are trying to defect. That's the essence of the character. -
...Is one of the greatest movies ever made. Period.
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or maybe as a HBO mini series
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Pine could pull him off, but he'd have to tone down the arrogance and self-satisfaction from Star Trek. Ryan is self-assured, not arrogant. There's a difference.
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ganymede: do you work for Entertainment Tonight? Hype much?
TheMarineBiologist: "Clear and Present Danger" has long been a favorite of mine as well; something about it really works for me. I far prefer it over the rest of the Ryan films, the rest of which don't really. Noyce is another director who sure doesn't seem to get his 'just deserves' in Hollywood or elsewhere... "The Quiet American" and "Rabbit-Proof Fence" are, for me, two of the best films of the past few decades. -
if Affleck's too old for parts like this, then Hollywood is going full retard. make all the Twilight movies you want for semi-mentally handicapped 13-year-old girls, but not every fucking movie has to pander to them.
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Where is the long rumored "Without Remorse" movie? Clark was always Clancy's more interesting character. Ryan was always the boyscout and Clark get shit done anyway he had to.
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Cold war is over, not as interesting or topical. While I loved his books (up until rainbow6), they seem dated. It's time for Vince Flynn novels to go to film. I don't think Hollywood has the balls to make an islamic terrorist movie now, unfortunately...
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Seriously? And I was all jazzed up thinking it was going to be George Clooney. This is a step down from even Ben Affleck.
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even the recent one. But I just can't stand Pine. He's like the next Labeouf for me. Just irritating to look at. Maybe because he was such an unlikeable dick in Star Trek.
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The one about John Clark?
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its gonna be epic!
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Jack Ryan?
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I agree with redshirt - these movies are hopelessly dated. Sorry - as much as I enjoyed the others aspects of 'Watchmen', this "fear 'o' nuclear war apocalypse" shit is painfully dated. Its about as paranoid/schizo as listening to a biblethumper yammering on about the end o days or a libby douche snivel about using plastic cups = global annihilation via polar ice caps melting.
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Tom Clancy is a fav of ol' RUSH LIMBAUGH, who is doing his damnedest to cause harm and civil unrest in America. Count me out in any way, shape or form.
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Anyone saying they liked Baldwin better is just trying to be a pain in the ass. The two Ford movies are better than Hunt for Red October and they didn't have the benefit of Sean Connery.
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I've seen my share of rogue KGB officers hijacking nukes to sell to neo-nazis, thank you.
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Curious, how would a left leaning author write a book about the fight against terrorists? That would be fascinating.
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Oct 14, 2009 12:28:06 AM CDT
Redshirt: a left-leaning author already wrote about the fight ag
by pelhamsim
...his name was Ward Churchill, and they fired him after they found out just how fictional his writing actually was.
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My natural assumption was Karl Urban.
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Urban would be much better at this sort of role. I've been waiting for him to break out for the longest time. Pine's just as good though. Oh and by the way Baldwin was a waaaaaaaaay better Ryan than dull as fuck Ford. He looked half asleep for most of both of his Ryan flicks.
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I've read every fucking Jack Ryan novel and Ford fits the bill. I can buy Ford being ex-Marine - no way with Baldwin. Dammit, Ryan is a history professor for Christ's sake - fucking Indiana Jones. Plus Ford is more of the "everyman" that Jack Ryan is. Um, I don't know how I feel about Pine but I'm willing to give him a shot.
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but let me explain, I have no problem with Pine as a young Jack Ryan, He gave a excellent performance as kirk this summmer in trek, and I really enjoyed him onstage at the geffen play house back in June in Farragut North. And I am glad that finnally we will be getting another Jack Ryan film again.....;
But what the hell, when are we ever going to get to see the movie adapations of the books where Jack is now President of the United States. that what i wanna see, and i am betting a large number of Ryan fans are to.
also why did they wait so long Sum of All fears performed well at the box office, it made a nice little profit. I enjoyed Affleck in the role though it did take some time to get used to this being a prequel yet, being set in a time frame after the prior movies.
And that leads me to what ever happened to the plans to do a spin off John Clark movie with Liev Schriber, as was mentioned above he was one of the best elements of sum of all fears and paramount had in the past had plans to do a spin off with Liev. -
... on film. Jack Ryan is too conservative as President for Hollywood's taste. I'd like to see them make Without Remorse.
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This casting is waaaaaaaay off. Worse than Afflec. Why not just get Harrison Ford back and do the Bear and the Dragon. It had an older Jack as president of the US. It would be a role well suited for Ford too.
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First they would have to make "Debt of Honor" and I don't think anyone wants to film the ending of that book.
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I'm going to triple or fourth the recommendation of whomever has said they want to see a President jack Ryan movie. And Ford made the part his own despite what everyone thinks Baldwin did so well in Red October. Red October was a movie Sean Connery carried. Baldiwin should have stuck to doing blow with his brothers. Harrison Ford is Jack Ryan and I want to see a war on terror with Ryan's finger on the button.
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This decision totally makes sense. Pine's damn good, and his turn as Jack Ryan will build his fan base for the next Trek flick and vice versa. Paramount's thinking strategically.
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Jason Bourne, Ethan Hunt and now Jack Ryan I'll bet are all attempts at establishing an American spy as iconic as James Bond. None of them are, but you have to understand why Universal and Paramount would go for it.
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Oct 14, 2009 1:52:23 AM CDT
Please, Hollywood, make Red Storm Rising into a great Trilogy
by randysavage
It's my favorite, by far, of all Clancy's books, but nearly un-adaptable.
I agree with all the positive comments about Baldwin as Ryan and Red October... one of my all time favorites films: "One ping only, please."
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Would have to be a "Band of Brothers" type miniseries. No way they could do that justice in a single film.
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Here's a wild idea, let's strip away every cool facet from James Bond and call it Jack Ryan! I can't wait to see stern faced office talk and papers being crumpled in an angry manner.
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and apparently that's cool shit. Oh, and he's outdated.
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What happened to Sam Raimi's involvement with the Jack Ryan series? I could have sworn I read something about a year ago saying that Raimi would produce and direct a new Jack Ryan movie. Have you heard anything?
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Oh well, at least we got The Hunt For Red October and Clear and Present Danger.
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Stop talking shit.
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Weinstein's lost a load of money on it already, you'd have thought they'd want it to be making. Looks a good film too.
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If Taken showed us anything, its that he can still bring it when it comes action movies. Plus he's the right age to play Ryan.
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Aint It Cool News lives up to its fame. The Harrison Ford Ryan's were everything they should be. Ben Affleck, a young actor, was a disaster Ryan and so will this be. Jack Ryan, come on, if they want Chris Pine to have his own Bourne-series, write one for him and don't call it a Jack Ryan movie. Ugh.
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PINE'S ASS. THEM'S THE FACTS.
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in the bin he goes
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NO NEED FOR THE HATE BRO. I.. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO BE HELD SOMETIMES.
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"Son of a bitch!!" Baldwin was the best saying that line like it meant something, Ford just mumbled it and Afflec....never saw Sum Of All Fears so I don't know if he said that line.
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Good idea, nut is it really a good idea having him in two major franchises?
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I know that Ford has done a few other wonderful things (Mosquito Coast, Witness), but I really am only massively interested in Ford when he is Han Solo or Indiana Jones. When he is those characters, he is THE MOST CHARMING LEADING MAN ever. Well, apart from Cary Grant. But how can you compete with God?
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I liked The Sum of All Fears and Affleck was pretty good as Ryan.
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everyone knows who he is, but he hasn't really done anything. he's supposed to be really awesome, the same way she's supposed to be really hot. it just never worked.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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Jack Ryan, done properly, is just not cinematic material.
It needs to have the same actors locked in as Ryan, Cathy, Robbie, Greer, Clarke etc. etc. then start with Patriot Games and go through them in chronological order.
And each tale, to do it justice, should be a 10 part HBO series. One series per book.
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dude that is genius! That is exactly the way it should be done.
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When they changed the villains from Middle Eastern terrorists to Nazis. The book was so much better and made so much more sense!
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The man hasn't written a book in six years!
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Now he just puts his name to highly average games (Hawx, Ghost Recon:Advanced Warfighter etc).
Seriously, HBO this m*therfucker and do it properly, or just don't bother. It would be like thinking man's '24' and nailing Ryan's career climb, adventure by adventure, would ensure people would tune in season after season.
Get some good work and development done on Ryan's family as well and you can appeal to a wider audience. There is drama as well as action & intrigue.
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Can't say that I really even care about a "Jack Ryan" movie being made.
I remember wayyyy back when, when I enjoyed reading the Tom Clancy series of novels based on the Jack Ryan character, being excited about hearing that there was a "Hunt For Red October" movie being made..then seeing the Movie and realizing that it was total shit and a bastardization of the novel.
Alec Bladwin did an ok job as Jack Ryan and it was a shame he was replaced by Harrison Ford (whom I generally like as an actor). Harriosn was a poor choice of actors to play that character too.
Each and every Movie "based" on Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan character have been nothing but shit and gawd awful to watch!! (C'mon! Wilhem DeFoe as John Clarke? Gimme a fucking break!)
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....All the sequels have sucked - yep, even Ford's. They're JUST ok, whereas Red October was a bona-fide all-time classic thriller.The great cast helped, but then John McTiernan's films are always perfectly cast, so that's probably down to him too.
Pine's a good choice, so long as it's released well apart from Star Trek, but withoutJohn McTiernan it will most certainly not compare to Red October.Sure he's made a couple of duds, but action movies started to suck when McTiernan bowed out. -
He had a probing intelligence Ford severely lacked. Baldwin's Jack Ryan would think his way out of a situation first. Ford always seemed like he would rather punch his way through a problem.
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Oct 14, 2009 7:08:17 AM CDT
count me as one of the few who liked all four flicks
by just pillow talk
I think I'm going to have to watch A Hunt for Red October again, since I haven't seen it in so long. And Ben's movie certainly had the biggest threat...a fucking bomb going off. I mean, Morgan died! That's a real threat!Since I have not seen the new Trek, not sure I have an opinion on them trying to get Pine for the role. If he pulled off Kirk fairly well, then I'm sure he'll do just fine here too.
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Pine looks like he's about 12. Also, he's a horrible actor.
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The rocket launchers scene in Clear & Present Danger still gets the heart pumping even though I've seen it quite a few times. And the final scene between Ryan and the president is awesome. It's by far the best in the series I think, closely followed by Red October.
I'm not massively keen on casting Pine though. His Kirk was just an arrogant dick, but not in a lovable way like Shatner managed. Plus, he's way too young in my opinion.
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Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger were really mediocre. Sum of All Fears was decent until the last act, when it just fell totally apart...everything after the bomb went off just sucked. Ben Affleck bumbling around Ground Zero in a stupefied daze for twenty minutes...no thanks. Of course, Ben always appears to be in a stupefied daze...
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Sorry, wrong Clancy...Anyways, Hunt for Red October was a quality film, from back when McTiernan still new his ass from a hole in the ground, but it wasn't because of Baldwin, who frankly, while not bad, was still pretty damn bland in the title role. Ford on the other hand, though perhaps a few years older than would have been preferable, nailed the role far better in my opinion, and was a far more captivating and convincing lead. Hunt is a better film than Patriot Games, but certainly not because of Baldwin's efforts. And Clear & Present Danger is a better film than either of them.As for Affleck, not only was Sum of All Fears the very epitome of banality as a film, and one of the worst 'thrillers' of recent years, Affleck, who I don't particularly hate by the way, was fucking awful in the role of Jack Ryan. Like criminal offence awful. Practically 'get the fuck out of Hollywood' awful. Gone Baby Gone and Hollywoodland are both great films though, and both show that Affleck does in fact have some degree of talent buried away in there if you go digging for it, but none of that was on display in Fears. Not even remotely. As for Pine, maybe he can pull it off, especially if he's got a good script to work with, but just like with Affleck, I don't know if the audience is going to accept a Jack Ryan who looks that young and inexperienced again, given that the character has already seen four films, and three different actors previously, even if Pine manages to do what Affleck didn't, and actually deliver a good performance in the role.
Personally I always thought they should do Clancy's books kinda like The Wire, one season per book, over on a cable network like HBO or Showtime. This would allow them to not only be a lot more in depth and really delve into the plot and ensemble characters, but it would also give them an opportunity to take some of Clancy's better ideas and ride them for all they were worth, while also smoothing out some of his more illogical ones and filling a few gaps, something that also seems prevalent in Clancy's books. I mean who wouldn't watch a well scripted Jack Ryan and/or John Clark/Ding Chavez based Tom Clancy tv series?
As to Beaks, he seems to be constantly fighting it out with Merrick and Hercules for the title crown of just who is the dumbest and most useless content contributor on this site. Who will make the most biased or outright rediculous comment(s) today? Will it be Hercules latest Whedon tug job opinion piece thinly veiled as 'news', complete with amazon links-a-palooza? Will it be Merrick with his five days old "well I didn't see it until now" breaking news, complete with 543 seperate youtube and/or Hulu videos at the bottom of it, just to fill space and make it appear like he made some kind of effort? Or will it be Beaks, with his latest bizarro world op-ed ranting, wrapped in a nice old layer of self-congratulatory ego wankery? Tune in and find out! Seriously, when Harry and Massa aren't even close to being in the running for worst writer/contributor on this site, given the history of some of their postings, then something's very scary in spooky town... -
Isn't Pine too young to be Jack Ryan? Ben Affleck was already problematic in the role due to his age. All this "young Jack Ryan" is a bit silly. It's turning Ryan into an yuppi, instead of what he's supposed to be, a senior analist with lots of experience and knowledge.One thing i'm certain, he will do a better acting job then his latest high profile role... unless they give this movie to the hands of another "trendy" hack of the moment. Something tells me we should fear. I don't know, call it a gut instinct, but something tells me that they might give this movie to be directed by brett Ratner or McG, two hacks terribly in hunger of a new fat cow franchise.
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Completly agree. Hunt for Red October is a text book example of how to make a good smart spy blockbuster. Emphasis on good and smart. I even dare say that as a movie it's better then Die Hard (this opinion will not be proved popular here, i bet).
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How could you even come close? The casting in that film is unbelievable. Take a look on IMDB just to remind yourself how many fantastic actors were in that film.
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Like most of his post-Indy films, Harrison Ford was flat and mumbling throughout PATRIOT GAMES and CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER. At least Affleck, for all his faults, actually seemed give a damn about the role. That said, THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER is the only Jack Ryan movie I care to watch over and over. Great film.
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Nigga, what the fuck you talking about? Beaks this is the first thing we've disagreed with. I'm hurting down inside. It's like the first fight you get in with your girl. And Harrison Ford owns during the botched assasination attempt in Patriot Games. And the Junkyard dog back and forth in CLEAR
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Everything he did in those movies was about exposing the raw intelligence of the character, aside from the requisite action scenes, but in a subtle way.
Exbihit A: That scene in Patriot Games where Ryan is watching the hit team assinate the terrorists. He just let it play out over his face what he was thinking and it's incredibly effective. Meanwhile Baldwin would have been acting up a storm, "Hey everyone, look at me. I'm ACTING!" -
them out of sequence. I didn't see Sum of All Fears because after both seeing older Jack Ryan, and reading the books, I don't want to rewind, and see young Ryan played by Ben Affleck.
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It's GI JOE only with balls. Also, you can still get Willem Dafoe back as Clark as he's riding a desk in this one. As long as you get a badass to play Chavez, then the rest will move along nicely.
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Ryan was 39 in the novel of Clear and Present Danger.
Chronologically in the books, Patriot Games happens before Hunt for Rec October, and Ryan has yet to delve fully into the world of the CIA.
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finally.
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Ford has been a grumpy piece of shit since Jedi."You know what sucks about being a Baldwin? NOTIHNG!!"
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Who said he was mumbling in the role? A flick like "Random Hearts" or "Firewall," sure. But have you forgotten the "I WILL MAKE IT MY MISSION IN LIFE!" scene in the Irish pub with Richard Harris in "Patriot Games" or the "HOW DARE YOU, SIR!" climax of "Clear and Present Danger." Ryan was forced to be a man of action in "Patriot Games" more than in any of the other flicks. But "Clear" took the character back to its cerebral roots, with Ryan jockeying intellectually in the highest corridors of power. Granted, "The Hunt for Red October" is by far the best of the Jack Ryan films. But it has less to do with Baldwin and more to do with the direction, the amazing casting, the smart script, and just the basic plot. But "Patriot Games" had the best locations, an underrated James Horner score, and that great sequence in CIA headquarters of the terrorist camp being annihilated as Ford and Co. watched infrared satellite (love James Earl Jones' simple "It's over"). And "Clear" had that amazing ambush sequence and some truly oily villains.
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Just to clarify, for anyone not familiar with the whole Jack Ryan character, the stories and order of events (NOT order of being written/published) are as follows:
Without Remorse - Ryan is a child. The story is about his father tracking Reilly, the former identity of Clarke
Patriot Games - Ryan is a military historian and ex-stock trader who has done some work for the CIA. The IRA actions propel him into Admiral Greer's world at Langley.
Red Rabbit - Now working for the CIA as an analyst, Ryan uncovers the plot to kill the Pope. Gets promoted.
Hunt For Red October - Working in the CIA London station as a senior analyst, Ryan's knowledge of naval history and tactics leads him to conclude Ramius is defecting, not starting a war. Gets promoted.
Cardinal Of The Kremlin - Now working in a very senior capacity in the Directorate of Intelligence at Langley, Ryan finds himself caught up in a chain of events that leads to the Soviet Union nearly collapsing and engineers the defection of the head of the KGB. Clark introduced (as Clark) for the first time. Never meets Ryan personally. Ryan gets promoted again.
Clear and Present Danger - Ryan is working for Greer as Assistant Deputy Director for Intelligence. Greer is dying from cancer so Ryan becomes acting Deputy Director for intelligence at the age of 39. Deputy Director of Operations is keeping him in the dark over use of covert troops in Was on Drugs. President implicated, Ryan gives evidence to select committee, gets promoted.
Sum of All Fears - Ryan now special advisor on intelligence and security matters to the President. Butts heads with Presidents National Security Advisor who tries to have him undermined via ghosts from his past. Nuke goes off. President and NSA try to start war, Ryan stops them. President realises he has lost it and steps down. Ryan gets promoted.
Debt of Honor - Now NSA to the President himself, Ryan is heavily involved in finding out the truth behind the Indian-Chinese-Japanese plot to reduce US influence in Asia then decides to leave service in disgust at how he has been treated by successive administrations. Does such a good job that the President, desperate for help in his administration on foreign policy, defence and intelligence matters, asks Ryan for one favour. Become the Vice President for one term only, and then be released forever from government service and be allowed the retire gracefully. Ryan gets promoted to VP. Terrible occurence kills President and most of Cabinet. Ryan gets promoted to President. Ryan really, really hates his new job.
Executive Orders - Ryan hates he new job even more as another player in the previous conspiracy against the US that caused the conflict with Japan engineers military action in the Middle East at the same time as launching an Ebola attack on the US. Nowhere for Ryan to get promoted to, but he kicks ass anyway
Rainbow Six - Clark gets promoted. Terrorists do bad things. Ryan is only referred to by Clark, who kicks ass. Ding Chavez gets promoted.
Bear and the Dragon - President Ryan is starting to understand his job and even allows himself to enjoy aspects of it, until the Chinese try to invade Russia to get some natural resources. Ryan promotes a few people himself. Tom Clancy masturbates himself into a frenzy at the supposed capability of the US armed forces, despite the fact we can't beat a bunch of Afghans.
Teeth of the Tiger - Jack Ryan, after winning re-election to a second term as Prez, has long since retired. Last act before retiring was to set up a covert unit, free from oversight, to protect the US as "The Teeth of the Tiger." Ryan Jr. enrolls, unbeknownst to his pops. Boy, will Jack Ruan be mad when he finds out. Somebody probably gets promoted at the end of the novel. -
It was the actual movie (Patriot Games) that was the problem.
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Quite sad that such a great character and for a long time there great author's last Ryan novel was that poor to average novel.
Was a huge fan of Clancy for 10-15 years then we got Red Rabbit and finally teeth of the tiger.
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Yikes. The number of people praising Pine is a testament to how flakey everyone here is. Does no one remember when he was announced as Kirk? All of that "OC CAST BLOWS", etc whining. And now suddenly he should play every role ever. Incredible.
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If you were going to have Pine playing Ryan circa Red October onwards, then there would be plenty to yell about. Ryan from Red Rabbit to Patriot Games..... yup, Pine would probably be just fine!
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Fuck that.
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he has not always been the best choice for some roles, and Jack Ryan is one of those he should have passed on. Baldwin was excellent in October, helped in no small part by the presence of Connery. And Affleck was great in Fears, not for his superlative acting but because the role was tailored to minimize his weaknesses a la Arnold as Terminator. With a better young actor in the role, Fear would be hands-down the best installment of the series, but I still consider it a close second to October. Don't let your Harrison Ford love cloud you to the facts, people.
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There's just something about the flick that I like. Indiana Jones Vs. Boromir is the bomb! Plus it explained all of those U2 songs.
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...and policy wonk whereas Ford never was. With Baldwin's Ryan, you feel that he perceives and understands things in a way that others do not which drives the action.IMHO HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER is the one that will hold up overtime as a classic.
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Truth be told, i only saw him in Aces High and Skank Trek. And the role he had most exposure was, of cours,e the later. but the character he played was so badly writen, forced to do such dumb shit, and spoke the most mind-blowing bad dialogue since Transformers, that i really can't tell if he's a bad actor or just extremly unfortunate. He needs to make a big role in some other movie for the jury to have a say on him.
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Baldwin was also believable as a office cubicle rat, who would be out of place in a situation of action, which made his character more vulnerable, and therefore, they could milk more tension out of his predictments and when he had to face real physical danger. Harrison Ford, good actor that he is (when he bothers), he can't play a paper pusher with any believability. He's too big a guy, and he always looks like he should be in the outdoors instead on an office cubicle. Ford is very believable as a field operational, not an egghead.
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HOW COME YOU DON'T LIKE JJ'S STAR TREK?
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Oct 14, 2009 10:24:06 AM CDT
Chris Pine? Seems a bit young for Jack Ryan, no?
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
But then, I'm only familiar with the movies, so maybe not. Good for Pine, though. Thought he was good in Star Trek.
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that is still funny...just
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The cesspool of Hollywood would never go for it though. Too bad a very rich fan wouldn't bankroll the whole thing.
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Did you forget your medication, get lucky or is this another impersonator?
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....This thread is tenuously linked to JJ Trek, so here comes Asimov Lives, galloping over the horizon to take another opportunity to put the boot into Trex XI.
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Agreed. Ford was believable as a regular field operative, but because Ryan is part egghead, part "thinking man" action guy, Baldwin's approach was perfect IMHO.I'm a Harrison Ford fan, but I just think Baldwin's all around approach to Ryan is head and shoulders above not only Ford but other similar on screen characters.
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Would love to see this on the big or small screen. My fav Clancy novel!
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Oct 14, 2009 11:01:19 AM CDT
baldwin was great..affleck most like the novels..ford..was ford.
by fleshmachine
all cool films...red october..genius
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That is one of the precious greats of the last quarter century, if not all-time.
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just kidding
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but with no Warsaw pact in place, can't see this movie, a what if scenario being made now
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Hunt for Red October remake, staring Shia as Jack Ryan, screenplay by Bob Orci and Directed by Michael Bay, can't wait
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That was very funny! I thought the same thing! James Kirk on TV never lost a fist fight. That turkey in the movie could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag.
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in this movie.
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Oct 14, 2009 11:36:16 AM CDT
I'd love to see fat old Alec Baldwin return to non-comedy film..
by royston lodge
...with a Jack Ryan as fat old CIA Director movie.
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I haven't watched 24 so I can't agree or disagree.
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For the same and other reasons you don't as well. But this is not the place for that subject.
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Read my post and you will get your answer.
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Oct 14, 2009 12:30:44 PM CDT
But i can't resist this: TAINTLICK, remember, automatic moving c
by asimovlives
Fascinating.
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Fascinating
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Oct 14, 2009 12:32:39 PM CDT
Jack Ryan not being very good at a fist fight would make sense
by asimovlives
The guy is a desk jockey, not a field operational. New Kirk sucking at fist fighting is byzarre, to say the least.
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Chris Pine owned the screen as one of the Tremor brothers in Smokin' Aces. I would pay good money to see another movie with those lunatics. Prequel or sequel (eh, they could have survived).
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*ROTFLMAO* Seriously? Notice how everyone in this TB who mentions reading his books says they did so in MIDDLE SCHOOL (myself included)? Hey, I loved Hunt for Red October (both the book and the movie) but I would not describe it as anything close to complex. If you want "nicely layered", read Neil Gaiman (if you're into mythology) or Philippa Gregory (if you're into history and politics). Hell, I'd take any book on the Borders Book Club table as "nicely layered" over Clancy's work. No offense to Mr. Clancy; his books are enjoyable.
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*** DEAD SNOW is playing tonight and tomorrow at the Mayfair Theatre in Ottawa, Canada!!! ***
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While I agree Hunt For Red October is easily the best movie, Ford was a great Jack Ryan. Ben Affleck... now he was shitty.
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"You killed mah little broother!" Was the first time I remember seeing him in anything and he scared the shit out of me.
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If Pine becomes a star, I'm sure geeks 20 years from now will question his casting as well.
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If you truly remember he ask for way too much money and more of a back end to the movie! It wasn't because the studio didn't want him back he was just being to greedy at the time! He was an up and coming actor then and became to big for himself back then! I like him now that has clammed down and is more down to earth. But people he ruined it for himself not the studio!
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Mack Bolan wipes his ass with Mitch Rapp's best.
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You mean you LIKE that incredibly realistic scene of Ben Affleck running away from a nuclear blast?
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How hard is it to just write "Chris Pine"..jesus fucking christ.
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Oct 14, 2009 2:09:05 PM CDT
A Red October remake doesn't have to be a bad thing...
by themightymonarch
Just make it more faithful to the book, which the original (as good as it was) barely did. One of the biggest mistakes in that movie was establish early on that Ramius was defecting. The book managed to keep that somewhat ambiguous until the end.
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Dammit, we're owed another movie.
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I agree, as long as the powers that be leave The Hunt for Red October alone they can do what ever they like with the rest of the so called franchise. As far as I'm concerned there are only three films: the far superior one with Alec Baldwin and two fine sequels with Harrison Ford. Anything else might as well have another name because they will never be a part of my collection of the series. That is, unless they bring Baldwin back and surround him with another cast of incredibly good looking men. But I suppose that's too much to hope for.
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drags down a movie. He should have been FAR BETTER in tjose Jack Ryan movies, but he was just awful.
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Oct 14, 2009 2:24:23 PM CDT
I love the crowing about "too young!" with Pine...
by nasty in the pasty
...when he's like, a year or two younger than Baldwin was when he played Ryan in Red October.
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Harrison Ford's Jack Ryan would beat the shit out of all of you and then shoot you in your face.
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There is just no way we are going to get another Remo movie. Nobody in their right mind would put a character like Chun on the screen nowadays. These politically correct times just won't be havin' that. But it would be neat if maybe Showtime or HBO would take a chance and develop a real hardcore Remo series. Oh well, a fan can dream...........
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Really liked "Red October," will watch snippets of the Ford duo when they show up on cable (which seems to be always), never need to see Sum/Fears again. Long as this threeboot has some cool action in it, why the eff not?
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I'm glad somebody mentioned him, one of the criminally under rated literary characters that wipes the floor with The Punisher. I'm a longtime subscriber and get the new Bolan books in the mail every other month. Another one we need to come back is Remo Williams/The Destroyer. Guess literary "superheros" (for lack of a better term) need some more respect. As for Clancy, love his work, but I think they should do Rainbow 6 as a series, the book seriously lends itself to that, you could easily do 12 episodes based on the book. Liev Schriber as John Clark and Joe Manganiello as Ding Chaves.
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I agree with teh general consensus i'm seeing here about Ford's boring mumbling, he basically died as an actor after Temple of Doom. That was the last time he seemed like the modern Errol Flynn. RIP Actor Ford 1973-1984.
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You've got it all wrong about Harrison Ford, he still kicks ass all over any action star> If Ford is in it you can bet I will see it I am relieved to him doing more age appropriate roles, but who says men in their sixties who are as fit as he is wouldn't get all commando on you if pushed to respond. Ford is still relevant and still a fine actor.
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was the best Ryan so far.
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Dead Snow!! That's what i call fun! Man, i loved that little zombie movie! A norwegian zombie movie with NAZI ZOMBIES! IN SNOW! And it's played for laughs. And the laughs are actually very funny. What more can one ask? Best gorefiest movie i have seen since Tokyo Gore Police.
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Unlike the previous movies which attempted to be a bit more visceral, i do not hold out my hopes that this will be very visceral.I have nothing against Chris Pines but he already has one strike against him for appearing in Skank Trek in my eyes. I could not really tell much about him in that movie because he was constraigned by Jar Jar Abrams (what an ass man!) directioning and also by the script by Bob Porci. He may be a good actors but i really cannot tell! i cannot see him being in a movie that exists on a visceral level really.And what is with all these Skank Trek related articles on AICN resently? I used to think this site was gay for Bay but now it seems to have swung over the other ways. Too much Jar Jar Abrams worshipping going on around here for my liking. Still, i will be here fighing back against it is. i do not lie to you. i tell it how it is.
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Even if Pine might be only two years older then Baldwin when he made Hunt For Red October, the thing is that Pine looks like he's still 19. He made a career on that, looking younger then what he really is. Look at any photo of him, and look at a photo of Baldwin at the same age, and tell me hwo looked like man, and who still looks like a teen? It deosn't matter how much they dress up Pine, he will look like a teen playing spies. It's unsurpassable.
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While i'm flatered, since imitation of the highest kind of that, i have to wonder, do you have a life of your own? At least in here do you?
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I disagree in that ford had, at least, two really good acting moments on movies which, sadly, were unjustly lambasted by critcis and public alike, evne though the mvoies are actually pretty good and ford acted the hell of out in them: Presume Innocent and K-19.Presumed Innocent, i have no hesitation to say, might contain Ford's best acting of his whole career. In that movie, he was an ACTOR.
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Of courses i have a life! What a strange question! Is Bob Porci the devil? Is Jar Jar Abrams a trickster who has convinced the world he is selling diamunds when he is actually selling pigs ears? Is europe now gay for Bay? These are far more important questions.I spend my life experiencing movies on a visceral level. Some are envious of this but it does not matter. it is a visceral gift and one i have delevoped during my movie watching time here in Portugal.I am here to tell it like it is. That is what i am here for. If you cnanot accept it, you are a fucking ass man like Jar Jar Abrams. What a fucking ass he is!
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Ryan is more of an everyman type - He's more of an analyst, less of a badass, but capable of rogering up in a crisis. Alec Baldwin was perfect...believable as a unassuming, brilliant CIA analyst, a father, for Naval officer...Ryan is no James Bond - that would be more John Clark territory. On that subject, please make Without Remorse and then follow up with Rainbow Six!!!
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IS IT NOT TIME TO BAN ASMIMOVLIVES YET??? Five fucking months on, and he is still trolling EVERY movie talkback to trash Star Trek. " the character he played was so badly writen, forced to do such dumb shit, and spoke the most mind-blowing bad dialogue since Transformers" How in holy FUCK was any of the dialogue in Star Trek in ANY way as bad as some of the shit in Transformers 2, or any Bay flick, or ANY summer action blockbuster of the last, oh I don't know... fucking FOREVER? You, Asimov sir, are tedious and after FIVE FUCKING MONTHS have STILL yet to convince anyone with any of your arguments. Sorry, but we have had many an interesting back-and-forth on this subject since then, but now you are little more than a troll. Either that, or you're getting kicks from acting the talkback villain. Let's spell this out for one last time, shall we? If you didn't enjoy Star Trek, you have completely missed the point on a lot of what made the ORIGINAL series exactly what it was. A fun, optimistic, adventurous, exhuberant romp. Is there room to be a little more cerebral next time round? Of course. Was it hands-fucking-DOWN the most satisfying tentpole release of the last several years? YES. Did it, mostly respectfully and successfully relaunch your beloved franchise whilst respecting your oh-so-fucking-sacred canon? YES IT DID. And they didn't HAVE to do that. Did it play fast and loose with logic and plot consistency and rely on coincidence one or twice? Yes it did. AND SO DID THE FUCKING TV SHOW EVERY WEEK. Rant over.
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Isaac Asimov is over-rated blows. JJ Abrams is your master now.
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Go Pine. He rocked the shit in Star Trek. Best action hero since Solo and Indy. Yeah, I went there! Also, on paper he's young, but personally I think he looks "weathered" enough to skew older. Must be the year he did here at University in mighty Leeds. Living on Tetleys Bitter and pies and pasties! Good man.
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... for having two usernames to peddle his tired old shite?
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Did you SEE Firewall?
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Oh...scratch that, they are. I just read in on imdb. Let's make "Red Storm Rising" then, with the Chinese the villians. Yeah...I like that...
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Without Remorse is the new Jack Ryan movie? Clark is the main character in the book, but Ryan is in it....
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Anyone else think that Chang would be a good fit for the next Star Trek movie? Supposedly the next movie (based on very loose reports posted here and on other sites) will deal with the Klingons in a big way. That's why the first movie, which reportedly already shot several scenes with Klingons (at Rura Penthe from Star Trek VI no less) had those scenes scrapped so that the Klingons can get their big day in the sun during the next movie. So right now in the reimagined Star Trek Universe, Chang still is out there somewhere. Anything else agree he can easily be introduced in the next movie, maybe as a Klingon interested in this new captain who skyrocket so quickly in his career?
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I always love when people try to close out an argument by asserting "we won, let's just move on".
Fuck JJ's STAR TREK up its ass with Orci and Kurtzman's diseased dicks (same dumbfucks who wrote the awful TF2, BTW). You want to move on, fine, but don't pretend that brain-dead piece of shit wasn't the most overhyped, overrated pantloads to ever come steaming out of Hollywood's trouser legs.
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that is all
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Ford was worse than anyone, you fucking pricks!
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HE still looks like a teenager, and yet he's still a fantastic, underrated actor. Not that I;m imlying that Pine is the next DiCaprio, but too many actors are shit upon for "looking too young" for certain roles. Pine was likable enough in Trek, so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as Ryan. And when young-looking actors finally hit the wall, they tend to hit it HARD, so Pine will probably look appropriately grizzled a decade from now.
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Oct 14, 2009 10:09:08 PM CDT
Wy do people blame Orci/Kurtzman for Transformers 2?
by nasty in the pasty
There were probably three dozen script doctors assigned to that POS, and Orci/Kurtzman were probably given final screen credit because...crap, SOMEbody had to. They probably just presented a basic story outline, and Bay snorted a bunch of coke off Megan Fox's ass while he came up with "hilarious" dialogue on the set.
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... to see how they manage to tacitly blame America this time.
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....a guy is in a movie that's a huge hit, that would have been a hit whether he or pretty much anyone else was in it, and the next thing you know Hollywood is forcing the guy down our throats as being "a star". Hollywood Blvd. is littered with guys like that. Chris Pine is a very generic, bland actor, kind of like a less talented poor man's Matt Damon. -J.
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should be the main character in the next Clancy film. A hard R No Remorse would be fucking awesome.
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Thats the title I fucked up...sorry
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Would still set in Vietnam, or would you modernise it ?
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Incorrect. RIP 1973-1984.
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It's strange, but if you spend any time on AICN you would think that JJ Trek was hated. But if you read reviews from proper critics, and those user reviews all over Amazon ready for the Blu-Ray/DVD release, and talk to the man in the sstreet about it, it seems that the haters are simply screaming into the storm.
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Oct 15, 2009 5:07:15 AM CDT
TommyGavinsEgo, you have an incridble low tolerance for other's
by asimovlives
You are also a bit of a fascist. only fascists what others be banned. Real man can deal with anybody who they diagree and don't like and ignorare them if they can't stand them. You are acting like a child, not a man. Man up, kid.
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Oct 15, 2009 5:08:00 AM CDT
Re: Wy do people blame Orci/Kurtzman for Transformers 2?
by asimovisfuckingdead
If I could I would blames them for much more. I would blame them for World War 2, Vietnam, swine flu and the Portugal pastry drought in 1482. What ass men they are! Both Transspermers and Skank Trek are movies which make the audience dumber after watching them. I have not seen such travestees since i dont know when but it was a long time ago and probably was directed by Gerald Ratner. i am telling it how it is. i am always telling it how it is.
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And i don't have two handles, I only have THIS ONE AND THIS ONE ONLY. It's other people, who for a laugh post with anicks SIMILIAR to mine... or if they are mean spirited, they want to create the same type of reaction they did to you. Which mean you have just been manipulated like a piano to have the reaction you got. Which means you have been manipulated by a little mean spirited cunt. You have been played. blame me for whatever you want, but you should know by now that with me all is upfront, and i don't go for subterfuges. Wise up.
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You are acting like a child in your response to TommyGavinsEgo. What an ass man you are! What a fucking ass man! Here in Portugal we would call you "senhora que fala com voz de mulher". it is very bad insult. in american it means something like "man who speaks with womans voice". Man up!
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I share your opinion about DiCaprio, he's s till cursed with this very boysih looks, even in his mid 30s. Well, cursed as acting goes, becaue in his personal live it must come as a great plus to still have youngish looks evne in his 30s. I should know, i am such a case myself, i alwys looked younger then my real age. Makes everybody treat you like a kid, even if you are already pushing 40, hehe!But back to DiCaprio, i think that he's a terribly underrated actor. He really is a very good actor. He has been so since he was a teen. What was both a blessing and a curse to him was the sucess of Titanic, and how it turned him from a respected young actor into a teen pleasing heartrob. He has been trying to prove he's more then a pretty boy who still looks like a teen since Titanic. But the geeks here have been merciless on him. Still are.As i said before, i really don't have much of a real opinion of Chris Pine yet. As i said befor,e i only seen him in two movies. In one, he was part of an essemble. It's easier for actors to shine, because they have limited time onscreen (less time to screw up) and every character in that movie was such an oddity and whacos that everybody could shine in acting pyrotecnics. Chis Pine true test of fire came with Skank trek. and again, i can't say much about the acor because the character he was handled basically sucked. it was terribly writen, made to do the most increidble clow antics, and was give the worst dialogue of all the characters, in a movie filled to the grills with terrible dialogue. i really can't say anything about Chris Pine as an actor, he had it all saboutaged to him by script and direction. The man could be the next Anthony Hopkins for all i know, but i can't say that as yet. I need to see him in another movie, a different movie, made by different filmmakers, to finally atest to his ability as an actor.Maybe Chris Pine is a really good actor, i just can't tell yet.
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We have a retard from Oporto, and a clone of a retard from Oporto. I'm enjoying what the Clone has to say much, much more. Rave on, Sir Clone!
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I'm confused, what are you talking about those RIP dates?
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Just in case there's some people out there who are thick enough to not have seen the difference already.
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And it's Porto, not oporto, you ignorant. And Porto is not evne in the same part of the country i live in. and it's not even the biggest city of the country for you to mistake the whole of it for that city. It's not even the capital. You are such a failure,you couldn't evne know the most basic easy thing to know about a country, which is it's capital. Funny thing is, had you said i'm from the capital, Lisboa, you would be far closer to where i really live.And another thing, it's your extreme luck that i'm not from Porto. Because if i were, with th shit you had said about me, by now you would had me breaking down your door and bash your head in the nearlest toilet. I'm not kidding. It's your fucking luck i'm not from Porto. Be thankful for small mercies, fuckass.
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He is Jar Jar Abrams and I am Christopher Nolan. I am like a fine whine or an instrument like a chello. If he were a drink he would be coolaids or an instrument like a banjo. do you see?
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It's s' easy to tell you are american. Your "portuguese" line is a clear case of a phrase writen in english and translated with something like bablefish into portuguese. BRAZILIAN PORTUGUESE, to be exact. Worst, you just used an american expression and directly translated. Nobody in Portugal would say that we have SPECIFIC expressions for such a thing.Your incompetence at pretending to be me is only matched by your incompetence at pretending to know anything portuguese. Clearly you are extemly ignorant about all things portuguese. It shows. Only fools would be fooled by you. I'm onto you, you fucking prick. Idf i had to gues,s i would say you are docpazuzu or his ass-slave Lost jarv. They are lowly enough shits to try to pull such a stunt.
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it's built up. There's no farms there, so no goats for him to fuck.
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Seems like Damon as Jack Ryan would be like him playing an hybrid of his spy roles in The Good Shepherd and the Bourne movies. I don't know, but i think that maybe Damon might want to rest a bit from spy roles, don't you think?
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to communicate with him use Babelfish to translate into goat as that's his first language.
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Your goat porn has been routed and re-routed there countless times Mammaries. Almada is it? Should we sent PETA and Interpol there? Friends of Portuguese Goats AKA FPG, which in your case will translate to FAPPING. Fapping you will understand in Any language--oooo there's something OVINE fapfapfap Ooooo there's something by JarjarTrek fapfapfap. AsimovisDead-Keep on!!! it is comedy GOLD.
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You pull the horns THERE and you pee into the Mouth there and--
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post to Tommy above. You are the most juvenile, intolerant, pedantic, dogmatic twat on here. And that's saying something. Self awareness clearly cannot be found in the colon of livestock.
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Distended Goat and sheep colons abound in the general area of this cretin's birthing, that testify to that.
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southern Europe Man Goat Love Association.
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to livestock. Either that or a slightly fatter, hairier wookie. She doesn't have horns though, so can't count as a goat. Not that he hasn't tried to rectum raid her.
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"And another thing, it's your extreme luck that i'm not from Porto. Because if i were, with th shit you had said about me, by now you would had me breaking down your door and bash your head in the nearlest toilet. I'm not kidding. It's your fucking luck i'm not from Porto. Be thankful for small mercies, fuckass."That's great drippy whore, too bad this is the internets, you dumb fuckspoon.
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Brilliant posts in the Expendables thread. And it really is quite hilarious that Memories addressed his "nick".
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Cristiano Ronaldo. Preening, whining, whingeing, self-important, vain as fuck ass-clown..... and Portuguese. However, he is pointless outside of the world of football. Most other things from Portugal are pretty cool though. Nice little country, kind of like Spain without the idiots.
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You are fucking fuck ass man! Your incompetance at being able to enjoy movies on a visceral level is matched only by your incompetance at everything else. You are the offspring of Jar Jar Abrams and Michael Gay! You are angry because I can see things that you do not see. My eyes are opened whilst yours are seeled closed as though Bob Porci has blasted his spunk in your face! I am cerberal and can appreciate the high art of movies like Memories Of Murder but YOU are only able to watch movies for dumbos. You may insult me but you are the one who is insulting! I see through you, you fucking ass man! You are a shame to the Portugese people - you fucking fucking ass man! I hope you enjoy fucking Jar Jar Abrams in the fucking ass because that is all you are goode for, fuckingass man!
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The city of Almada is the seat of the municipality and includes six parishes within the city limits with 102.357 human inhabitants and an estimated 1,200,000 violated goats. Municipality of Almada: Small, but with a dense population (both intellectually and by numbers), the municipality is limited from the east by Seixal and from the south by Sesimbra. The municipality itself resembles a post hurricane Favella, with no electricity, running water, and houses made out of sheet iron. As Almada is a coastal municipality, bordering with the Atlantic Ocean and the Tagus river they have absolutely no excuse for their notoriously lax sense of personal hygiene. Cacilhas is the main port with ferry boat connections with Lisbon (one way, from Lisbon- used more for garbage disposal); A notoriously ugly population have been named as "Portuguese national embarrassment" for the last 7 years running, as they eke out a subsistence living by eating cockroaches and goat dung. There are no notable exports, and no places of interest within the "city" itself
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Spain Pwns Portugal. Portugal is the asshole of Iberia.
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Tom Clancy is a fucking nuffnuff. Nuff said.
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would automatically make him tougher than anyone else in the world.
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Almada natives tend to have a genetic predisposition to extreme body hair (in the women) and tiny but extremely offensive genitalia in the men. Almada natives are trained from birth that if you look in a mirror, then the soul Demon will kill you and therefore they have no idea how repellent they actually look to the rest of the world Almada's society is structured with a series of feral "gangs" at the top. These gangs foully abuse all those below them to such an extent that the average sphincter of a 12 year old Almada male can accommodate a watermelon. "Irony" in Almada means "a bit like steel" Almada children learn to count up to 27 by taking their socks off (think about it). Almada recently came below Soweto, Alexandra, Somalia, The City of God, Central Detroit and South Central LA as places worth going to. Almada natives aren't taught to write with pencils and paper. They learn with shit on the walls of their houses. Portugal is currently planning to dig a big trench to seperate Almada from the rest of the country.
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that thread is mind numbing
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Wrong TB. Whoops.
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The soul patch returns!
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hehehehehe
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DocPazuz is waiting.
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Harrison Ford and Phillip Noyce are the only reason there ARE more Jack Ryan movies. Clear and Present Danger was an inspired movie. Pushing Ryan to be older and retired made his character so much more. The non-Ford Ryan's are just placeholders.Hunt for Red October was only a success because of Connery. Hell Ann Archer brough more to the movies than Ben Affleck or Alec Baldwin did. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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and you thrown at his face your attitude and your condescending bullshit for portugueses. The beating you would get would be worthy to post on YouTube. With a laugh track. What a fucking retarded xenophobic motherfucker asshole you are, you fucking hick.
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From you? That's hilarious. I'm half Scottish, Half Irish, I've lived in 3 continents and Mrs. Jarv is from San Fransisco. Her father is Brazilian actually, and reckons that Portugal is full of peasants that mangle the language. There's a tramp sleeping in Camden that I walk past on my way home every night who offers to blow random strangers for pennies. I think he's from Almada. Is he indicative of the best of your population as he was the only one smart enough to get out? PS- I've been to Porto- it's like Leeds without the charm. That's how much of shithole it is. I've also been to Lisbon which is like Primark version of Seville. Portugal is basically a landfill in waiting for Spain, full of heinous beasts with room temperature IQ's and shite personal hygiene.
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His ass much be aching for another good violent quiasi-rape fucking from the Doc. The extent the bitches do to call the attention of their man.
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Having sex with DocP. You fucking weirdo.
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when you type those things out. Does it faintly arouse you to think of two men you've never met having sex?You're in a safe place here- tell the group.
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Spain can't even pwn itself!! Ask the Basques. Although I wholeheartedly agree that the concept of anyone from Portugal being inherently tough is comical. Their alpha-male is Cristiano Ronaldo and therefore they are slightly more cowardly than the French, and more feminine than the Italians.
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no argument there.
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Watch it. If we agree on anything else, AsimovLives will start fantasizing about us touching each others pee-pee's.
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Dude, the problem is not agreeing or disagreeing. The problem is that Lost Jarv is a complete retarded asshole without a capacity to act with any civility to somebody who disagrees with him. He's a fuck ass. You, i have no problem. In fact, i don't think i even know you before today. So why would i had a beef agaisnt you? If anything, all i must say to you is: pleased to make your acquaintance. Been here before?
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It's a statement of fact. You are DocPazuzu's bitch. That's a fact.
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Leva na peida o dia inteiro.
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"The problem is that Lost Jarv is a complete retarded asshole without a capacity to act with any civility to somebody who disagrees with him. He's a fuck ass" Uh-huh. I disagree civilly with many users. It's just condescending hypocrite douchebags that I get at.
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hehehehe
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"Thees Chreestmas, I a booka ticketa with Meester Alien, Meester Predator and lotsa lotsa Meester and Meesis Dead Peepol" I've got you- scumbag.
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In respect to your answer/shallacking to our friend TommyGavinsEgo, i'd like to make this coment, and i hope this is the last time i talk about Skank Trek in here.After 5 months, i can say that the Skank Trek groupies are like creationists. They don't care if you make your point wiht valid and reasonable arguments. in fac,t the more you argue your points, the worst they get, the more they will hate you. For all porpose, they act exactly like creationists. It doesn't matter if you make your point intelligently, all they care is not to have their dogma challenged. They talk in mantras, and they dismiss out of hand anything that differs. Again, i stress this: dealing with Skank Trek groupies is like dealing with creationists.
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Oct 15, 2009 10:58:27 AM CDT
hope this is the last time i talk about Skank Trek in here.
by lost jarv
Bullshit. Every time you see the slightest reference to anything involved in it, there you are, as noxious and difficult to get rid off as a fart in a spacesuit.
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Something you are yet to do. If you'd said it doesn't matter if you make your point in the manner befitting a complete prick, then we'd be nearer to what it's actually like dealing with you.
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Oct 15, 2009 11:01:17 AM CDT
When i read the title of the talkback i though were talking abou
by asimovlives
When i read the title of the talkback i though were talking about Karl Urban. Urban is 37 years old, and he would be a good logical choice for a Jack Ryan. I believe he's a terribly underrated actor. Many people who liked Skank Trek talked about him as if they had discovered, for the very first time, that he was actually a good actor. I never though of him as anything but that. Weird it took Skank trek to make some notice that.Karl Urban has been dealt a bad hand in his post-LOTR career. The movies where he played leads were, frankly, god-awful. Doom, and specially Pathfinder, are terrible. Very poor vehicles for this underrated actor. So, i though, for a momnt, that it was Karl Urban who had been chosen as Jack Ryan. But no, it was the other guy they were talking about.
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you would know how false your last post is. But because you are his bitch and his blind follower, you would say a stupid shit like that. What a fucking bitch you are. A total complete ass-slave bitch. I bet you call it a living, don't you? Fucking bitch.
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Oct 15, 2009 11:05:52 AM CDT
I'll talk here about Skank Trek ONLY IN REGARD to Chris Pine
by asimovlives
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Oct 15, 2009 11:14:33 AM CDT
Kark Urban got good reviews for his work in OUT OF THE BLUE
by asimovlives
Haven't seen that New Zeland movie yet, but looks to be quite good.
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...after nearly 6 months, I think you've said enough regarding STAR TREK. We all get it. At this point, you're just spinning your wheels and obnoxiously kicking up dust. It's high-time you moved on to other ways of wasting your time here at AICN. Surely there are more current topical items to discuss that won't lead you into that inevitable deathspiral of getting bitch-slapped by DocPazuzu, Lost Jarv, and (sometimes) myself.Come on, man. Do it for Portugal.
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He can't. It's a compulsion. Exactly the same as goth teenagers cutting themselves.
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That's sheep. Your thing is goats.
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then for AsimovIsFuckingDead. I think he wants to move on to a different topic to parody.
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there was a lonely young goatherd who wanted to travel to America ever since he heard about this great thing called Television and this programme called Lost. He knew that he could look after his flock for 100 years and never be able to afford it. In despair, he decided that prostitution was his only hope to save up enough for his ticket. Luckily for him (as he is incapable of maintaining an erection for anything that doesn't have cloven hooves), in the local shithole of Almada there was a goat voyeur fetish club. He took his favourite goat, Spock, and they performed on stage for tips. By the end of the evening he had earned enough to buy a packet of Fortuna cigarettes. Our intrepid hero was not worried, though, as he now had enough, along with his ass, to trade in Almada harbour, for passage to America. Sadly, the story did not end well, as JJ Abrams was on a book signing tour in Portugal. This broke our little hero's heart and he cursed JJ and all JJ's work swearing that from this day forth he would be an internet pest.
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I think Baldwin, Ford and yes, even Affleck did decent jobs as Jack Ryan. Although the movies are uneven with some outings better than others overall it has been an excellent series. Suck it, Beaks.
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...from AsimovIsFuckingDead!
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Fucking hell. So we've gone from Alec fucking Baldwin to this douchebag who looks like he should be the gay one from some boyband all the bumlickers wanna fuck? FUCK THIS. Why not get Zac FUCKING EFFRON? What the FUCK is going on? What happened to the role models for the kids of today? You don't get Schwarzenegger punching the shit out of people, you get this fuckwit who looks like he should be working in a fucking salon.In twenty years time, when they realise that 90% of men born after the year 2000 have feminine personalities, they'll realise it was because we raised an entire fucking generation on Zac Effron and Chris Punchmeinthefuckingfaceandputmeoutofyourmisery Pine.
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You should take lesson in civility and xenophobia. Um pouco de humildade para com quem sabe falar a tua lingua, enquanto tú não sabes falar a minha, seria algo bem mais edificador para a tua maneira de ser. Ao invés, decides agir de uma maneira que é um extremo exemplo de uma irracional suberba desqualificada. É triste.
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Actually, i haven't said enough about Skank Trek. I have barely scratched the surface of what's wrong with it. That's how bad and how wrong that movie is. But again, this is not the time and place. I'll leave that for a related talkback, which given the way AICN's can't help kissing Jar Jar Abrams's ass, will come up next week, if not next weekend. But i appreciate your words. Thank you.And it's useless to call upon my patriotism, i don't have any. My love for my country is not based on such bullshit foundations.
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Should be Karl Urban.
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was very good in Star Trek, much better than I thought he was going to be.Someone on here wondered if Urban possessed the "humanity" to play Bones when he was cast in ST. Had they seen 'Out Of The Blue' they would've known not to worry. Good film and Urban puts in a decent shift.
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Yessir it's an image that gets ya right-THERE. Jarv that was a riot. Good stuff, good stuff. A trench Shall be dug, Almada Shall be purged, the Goats shall be set free-after a suitable divorce fee-
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You think they did worse by replacing Baldwin with Ford? THAT was worse than replacing Ford with Affleck? You really are that pretentious and have further cemented my belief that your opinions are kind of shifty. Ah well, to each his own.
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No memories of an asstomouthlife unit I would not think so. Its entirely based on the love of goats and the Portugese pass time of barn yard animal rape. I don't blame you though, since all the women in Portuhell look like uglier and hairier versions of bigfoot. Goatfucker.
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Vicious pack of savages. The fucking lot of ya!
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you really are an exercise in pointlessness. Sort of like trying to bang sense into M-o-M's pointy cranium
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"And it's useless to call upon my patriotism, i don't have any. My love for my country is not based on such bullshit foundations."Um, do you even know what patriotism is? It's love for one's country, and you just said "my love for my country". You're fucking sharp as a marble.
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"I here to save my goatsa from the terror of virginity"
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goats chickens grannies, crazy bastards.
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AssLives, you've been crushed. Again.
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