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Fox Exec: All 13 Season-Two DOLLHOUSEs Ordered Will Air!!
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Fox scheduling chief Preston Beckman tells The Hollywood Reporter’s James Hibberd that all 13 second-season episodes of “Dollhouse” ordered will be aired despite the show’s far-from-spectacular ratings in the network’s Friday Death Slot:
"We're going to run all the episodes. We're not saying we're happy with those numbers, or accept them, but we don't have to overreact. During [November] sweeps we might have to jack up the numbers a little [with other programming], but we plan on completing the order for this show."
“Firefly,” a previous Joss Whedon series aired in Fox’s Friday Death Slot, was yanked early. The network never aired the spaceship series’ final three completed episodes.
“Dollhouse” ratings saw an 11% rise Friday, and new data released today indicates the series’ second-season premiere got a huge 50% DVR boost. Still, Fox Friday shows have notoriously short lifespans and a 14th second-season episode feels like a longshot.
Whedon offers confirmation of Fox's commitment in Hibberd’s story:
"We'll definitely have closure, but will leave some doors open," said Whedon, who's currently shooting the eighth episode. "When we got our first numbers, which were bad, the first thing [Fox president of entertainment] Kevin Reilly said was, 'You'll have all 13,' which was great. They're not going to pull the rug out from under us."
Find all of Hibberd’s story here.
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Take your "insider" information and suck on it. I don't care whether "Dollhouse" gets its full run, but I do care to see your BS and hatred debunked.
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Astounding.
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Dushku should not have been the lead, even though I find her hot as hell. She can't carry a show..she should have been a supporting player..but either way the premise is decent but should have started out with an Epitaph 1 type of story line and continued from there with flashbacks to show what happened to get it to that point.
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The Live Feed is reporting that Dollhouse's ratings go up 50% when the 7 day viewing numbers are added in, the biggest increase of any show.
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Oh yeah, what ads?
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At its worst it still beats the shit out of Fringe, etc.
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"...after we air episode 13, we're canceling it."
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But at least they'll air the 13.
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doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Or maybe it's Glenn Beck. Either way, Fox is insane.
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That's the only reason why they ordered TSCC's back 9 last year, and S2 of this mess.
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The last 10 episodes could be spread out from now until May.No show this week because of baseball and who knows what the November schedule will be.
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http://www.trektoday.com/content/2009/10/blalock-joins-legend-of-the-seeker/
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...it'd be nice if Dollhouse got a reprieve, but at least they'll get to write an entire season's worth of material with a minimal amount of being dicked around.
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i dont agree with ur assessment i
think eliza is a far better actress then sarah michelle gellar
ever was and i wouldve much rather
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As much as I hate Joss Whedon and his inane dialogue, senseless sexual orientation switches, odd plots, and nerd inducing orgasms over simplified "feminist" ideas, glad the fans get a full season at least. See, I try to be nice.
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a *squee*? I hear fangirls do it all of the time. Has it made its way into all fandom?
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It's a very well written show and has lots of potential, But If FOX backed it like they claim they would try it on a different night for a few weeksThe reason they are agreeing to air the entire second season is to please whedon and to ensure solid DVD salesWhedon surprised everyone when he came back to fox after the network raped his firefly series, FOX knows whedon has talent and doesn't want to scare him off by dicking another show around, also if the network pumps money into a full 13 episode season and is able to give producers warning of cancelation, then they can wrap the series up in a satisfying mannor, meaning FOX can hype the DVD's as "A complete series" instead of just season 1 and season 2
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Mmmmmm?
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I watched a few eps of Dollhouse last year but none from this season. I don't know if it's worth investing any more time in it if FOX is planning to pull the plug. This announcement doesn't sound promising.
P.S. JettL93 must have taken the same english class as Media Messiah. Talk about comma abuse! For the love of crumbcake can't you guys just use periods to separate your thoughts? -
...at this point. They can see that Whedon fandom will by and or rent DVD Sets, so that is the business model. They really don't care abut the show's lack of direction.
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TEN more Dollhouse talkbacks!!! *YAYZ-Hugs Herc*
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...it really iis building and going somewhere, story wise, and the cast and supportng characters are a lot of fun, and always menacing!!!
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Whatever. "Heroes" was surprisingly awesome tonight, by the way.
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wait, I already know what happens, it's all on the unaired ep from season 1. Nevermind.
Anyway, who gives a shit if they air them all or not? I remember downloading all the firefly eps way before the dvds were out somehow.. Is anyone still watching this shit on "regular" tv anymore? (I guess not judging from those ratings) -
Allow me to translate what Fox said:
Joss knows we love to screw him and his shows over.
He thought we'd just cancel the show after 1 season, but no, we changed it up and ordered a 2nd season. Didn't see that one coming, bitches?
Now that we have lulled Joss into a false sense of security, we are going to hit him harm. That re-order was just a rope-a-dope. We are going to start F'ing with this show like Anne Heche at an orgy. What will we do? You'll never know.
Today we'll announce that all 13 episodes will air. They won't but it is funnier if you believe our lies. Half the fun is F'ing over Joss' shows. The other half is F'ing with your hopes and dreams.
Hell if we could prevent the 2nd season from going to DVD we would
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I still think Joss should have definitively ended the show last season, and when Fox asked for a 2nd series say "Sorry, I expected you to screw me over. I ended the show based on that justifiably relied upon premise. I have no 2nd season."
Not that I don't like Dollhouse, I just like the Joss/Fox fued better. -
You should read that comment in the voice of Moss from "The IT Crowd"
Hey when is Series 4 of that coming out? -
I would say it's worth watching. Although I'm a fan of a lot (though not all) of Whedon's stuff, I'm not totally sure he's capable of wrapping up his shows; even stuff like Dr. Horrible and Serenity, which he wrote as one-offs, are pretty open-ended. So investing in the series isn't necessarily a factor. But they do so nifty things with the universe they created, there are some interesting questions about the nature of identity buried in there and, although Eliza Dushku is kind of a weak lead actress, the rest of the ensemble (especially Olivia Williams) make the most of their roles.
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I'm also a fan of some but not all of JW's work. Buffy and Angel were great but I didn't get into Firefly and Dollhouse didn't really grab me either. That said, his shows always have a lot of imagination and lots of ideas.
It's too bad he couldn't do a series for HBO. They seem to always give their series a full run. -
Actually, after watching Epitaph 1, I have high hopes for the show, and the character development is progressing with that in mind--patience is required for the nuances to work, sink in, and build.If anyone on DH listened to MM, we'd have an episode, immediately followed by an AMENDED episode. And both would suck.
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Crazy ass dudes.
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I stumbled across it just last night--ten minutes (or less) into it I had to turn it off.Did you think syphy's Flash Gordon was a good show, too? They both have the same vibe--not a good one, either.
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this show is not getting any more episodes past episode 13, we all realize this. Wrap the damn thing up neatly and definitively.
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I love Whedon's work but he is too high concept for broadcast television. I feel he needs to make a deal with HBO or Showtime and make his shows there. I think they would have a life there.
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How stupid are Fox execs? Are they stupid on purpose. They did this with Firefly, now Dollhouse.
Just move the show to a different night. Friday is death, especially for Science Fiction.
The Xfiles became a hit when Fox moved it to Sunday night.
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The dialed down episode played awesome. Winston, Darth Maul, Greatest American Hero all in one episode! Sylar may be free of himself. More visual sound - it is beautiful. Top 5 episode of the series. Claire and Dad are too damn creepy together. Perv. I love change the world Peter. He has been what has been missing since season one. Traci stay gone. Great job team Heroes.
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*said as Prof. Farnsworth*
Really, though, this season HAS had some rough bumps (I could do without the shtick-of-the-week routine and Eliza trying to prove she really IS a good actress wheeeen she's clearly not got the chops for a lot of the stuff they throw at her), but I'm in it to win it with this show. The last episode was great, Enver has the range an actor portraying and Active needs, and the slow boil to the events in Epitaph One have my mouth watering.
But can I just say...not next episode, but the one after that. Sierra's origin story? Really? Do we need to waste one of the 10 eps. of this series left on that? I'd be more interested in Victor's backstory. Or Whiskey's! Hell, how 'bout Alpha?! Just ANYone but Sierra! *bitching ends* -
Are you retarded or just a selective reader, lol? This is virtually VERBATIM what I've posted the last few days: the show will be pulled for Sweeps and the remaining episodes burned off during off peak TV time. Back 9 order? Forget it. Season 3? dream on dude. The remaining episodes of Dollhouse will be burned off in December/January, and FOX will move on. Sorry dude. -J.
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Oct 12, 2009 11:06:20 PM CDT
More NBC nuttiness: Dis-inviting 'Glee' cast from Macy's T-givin
by pennsydeux
I give you Nikki Finke of DHD: "Those morons at Jeff Zucker's company have stepped in it yet again. It's bad enough NBC can't get anyone to watch its piss-poor network primetime shows, but now NBC is making sure the American public can't watch other networks' shows as well. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade is known for annually including "cultural touchstones of the moment" in its broadcast, from every American Idol winner since the 2nd season (a Fox show), the stars of High School Musical (a Disney Channel show). Not a peep out of parade broadcaster NBC.
"But then, a month ago, the parade producers (who aren't part of NBC) invited this season's hot Fox show Glee's cast members to march and perform during the parade. "They wanted us to have the cast ride a float down the parade route and do a number at the end," a 20th Century Fox TV exec tells me. "Late last week, we confirmed that the Glee cast was able to participate, and we began to talk choreography." But on Thursday, the studio received a call from the parade producers disinviting the show.
"They called all mortified and apologetic. They said that after conversing with NBC they had to withdraw the invitation because NBC was forcing them to. According to the NBC people, the parade was not going to promote a Fox show on their air." The parade producers acknowledged to 20th TV that NBC has never vetoed a single act booked in the past. Funny thing is, Glee airs opposite NBC's Law & Order: Special Victims Unit; that's hardly the same demographic. So what the hell is NBC's problem?" -
Three Dollhouse-cntric talkbacks in 4 days. Wow, I guess this is the only show on television, lol. -J.
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Told you fucks it wouldn't get cancelled by November.
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Who cares about Dollhouse, Seeker is a freakn' fun show. Not the best acted or best effect but fun. And the women are super hot especially with Blalock joining the show.
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After being remote-wiped into zombies, the hapless band of survivors from E-1 (plus Whisky) will step into a time portal left over from the T:SCC effects lot and zap back to 2009, whereupon they will go all Tarantino in the Fox executive "suit" suite. "Closure? I'll give you frakking CLOSEure!" the newly "enlightened" Paul Ballard yells over the cacophony of automatic weapons fire...
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lol, your overuse of the word lol is extremely annoying, lol. You're either very good at trolling or very bad at using a thesaurus. Either way you should probably get a life, lol. -R.
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Oct 13, 2009 12:43:32 AM CDT
PennsyDeux: We're talking about the Genius that put Leno on
by mistergreen
So, it's not a big surprise.
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GLEE is a gay-friendly show. NBC has become very homophobic lately in its efforts to appeal to the "broad based family audience" of Leno. Witness the de-gay-ification of Claire's best friend in HEROES followed by his sudden disappearance.
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Good work Joss.
Whilst I am not a Whedon fan on the scale of Herc (i.e. I wouldnt praise 90 minutes of a blank screen, if it had by Joss Whedon at the end), I am a fan of his previous work and I wonder would I be so interested in this if it wasn't by Whedon.
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At least this is getting a chance.
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It's always the same over hyped story. His movies never get any attention from anyone other than people that saw Firefly.
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You fucking Whedon-loving virgins ain't going out that night anyway. Guess there's just not enough of you to matter, huh? Just kidding. River Tam could totally take Batman in a fight.
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...Dina being, the sexy blonde dominatrix on The Seeker. She is the hottest woman on television!!! As for the show, the scripts are always tight, and the stories...always have a creative twist on what is seemingly standard fantasy genre fair, but those twists serve to make them, these old and familiar elements of ancient lore, all seem fresh, new, intelligent, well focused, very sexual, overflowing with clever adventure/action, and fun! Too bad Dollhouse has none of that!!!
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I thought it would be a mess oof a show, and didn't want to see it, but then I started seeing the Dina episodes, and said to myself; "Wait, these guys have the guts to put this on television? They aren't pulling any punches here?" They can be very sexual, and very brutal with the show...and that raises the game, and the bar for sci-fi/fantasy series. The show is really walking the line when it comes to adult content. Try to look-up the Dina episodes online, and I think you'll be instantly hooked on the show. I wish I was a millionaire so I could marry that woman who plays Dina!!! Wow...tight red leather, and S&M...never looked better!!!!!
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Fuck Dollhouse and FOX. Boycott them!
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Joss was a fool to go back to Fox. Many used the analogy of the battered wife syndrome, myself included.
As such, I can't really have any sympathy for him in this turn of events.
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the last episode was fantastic, at it does what good sci fi should always do, which is comment on society; about how far greed can take people. Maybe fox actually watched the show, and decided its worth keeping.... yeah, i know how crazy that sounded.
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...the show is completely uneven, and that isn't Fox' fault, it's Joss Whedon's fault. Now, Fox can be called on the first episode of the show, and maybe a few others, for tinkering, but the rest of the show, and especially this season, Joss has been given free hands to develop his vision of what the show should be, or was suppose to be, according to Whedon, and the series is becoming more, and more, unfocused and blurry with every new episode? Now, who's fault is that? After all, Joss is claiming to have total control of the show now, and the same missive has been issued by Fox' top execs. So what is the problem? Maybe Joel Silver called-out Whedon, rightly?
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why is is that average shows like charmed, ghost whisperer, smallville and such like run for years even though there not good and yet something like dollhouse that's trying to set up interesting stories and characters gets such a hard time from the network.
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Keep the personal attacks coming, lol. They still won't bring back your lame duck show, lol. -J.
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Thats why there is not much left on network that isn't formulaic.
Media Messiah who does at times go a little over the top has correctly pointed out that this show lacks characters to cheer for. I have said its just too grey. Others have commented on this not being a show well suited to Eliza's lack of acting range.
But we still come here and talk about it, for me its mostly disappointment and as I said earlier a little too much "Come on Joss, we know you can do it".
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Why not just show tits bouncing and cartoon characters saying curse words for an hour Friday night?
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He's still dealing with constraints from the network, FCC, etc... He's got budgetary constraints (the shows budget is greatly reduced from Season 1) and network constraints in terms of nudity, swearing, sexual situations, violence, etc..
And it's ironic, because a bit of tit and ass, and a bit of blood and gore, tend to be ratings winners with the non-SF demographic.
Lack of budget means that they can't afford to pay for decent guest stars, who can actually act.
His hands are tied in a variety of different ways. But in terms of script writing and network notes, sure, he's probably working without their interference. -
I preferred the November/Helo pairing and the morally ambiguous love story it held. The loss of November and Helo fawning after the 'too hot' echo just makes him out to be creepy. Other than that, I'm loving this show. Finally, bring back TSCC please?
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...are gimmick shows...made for stupid people, and the lowest common denominator: The fact that most people are simpletons and want simple stories that they can easily follow. I hate those shows, but they are successful at explaining their concepts to there viewers, concepts which are easy for first time viewers, or even casual viewers, to easily jump into from the first moments they turn on those series, however, Dollhouse, is so intent on proving that it is above the norm, that its creator, and writers, are actually out smarting even themselves--to the point where it appears that they have even lost control of the story arc, and the concept of the show, that they are trying to present? That is the reason why Dollhouse is struggling, and why dumb shows like Charmed and Ghost Whisperer stay on the air for years. Joss needs to break with all the bysantine trappings of Dollhouse and give us something along the lines of a set procedural ala CSI, and Law & Order. From there, he can use his written dialogue and character interactions to raise the material to cerebral nirvana. As things are now, Whedon and staff are starting to come off as somewhat self important, and the same is true of this series. Let's not fool ourselves, it's a high-tech Charlie's Angels with a more heady outlook. Stop writing it as Shakespear, exclusively, and outwardly, and start writing it with the thought of entertaining the audience in mind, first, and foremost. Drop the fog of the psycho-babble, and techno-babble--something that the folks that ran Star Trek: The Next Generation had to learn before that show became better, and start giving us a story arc, one fueled by the overall scheme of things, rather than allowing the characters to steer the narrative--something that I suspect is happening here? The narrative is being informed by the dialogue, the characters...and the individual scenes, in place of the narrative being used to inform the dialogue, the characters, and the scenes.Yes, Charlie's Angels (the original...which is far better than the movies) is junk food and soft porn, but you can slip in gourmet ingredients subliminally, that can turn it into fine dining for the mind, heart, body and soul. For instance, one thing that I have learned about children (and this can be said for adults also), if you wish to feed them health food, you have to first dress it up like junk food, and serve it to them. If they think they are getting away with eating junk food, they will enjoy eating what you have cooked. You can always tell them later, or not, that they just ate a vegetarian taco when they thought it was real ground beef filling the shell.It is this bit of reverse psychology, that Whedon and crew keep forgetting to employ in the writing of this series. Dress the show-up as a simple T&A series...with frequent blasts of action, and humor...and serve it to the audience, while feeding them a Royal Shakespear experience--buy again, you gotta hide it, the latter, from them...while also managing to stop out-foxing (Fox)yourself, every pun intended!!! My point is, you must always remember, you are still feeding your audience a T&A action series (much like a seamy trip to Hooters restaurant), first--not PBS. That is how you capture the mainstream audience, by giving them what they want. Note To Mutant Enemy: Stop being intellectual snobs, for once, relax, stop over thinking things, and just have fun with the concept of the show.
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...as compared to even the diminished budget of Dollhouse, but they are doing just fine. The HD cameras used on Dollhouse, are the big cost savings, but the quality of the look is still the same as last season, no harm, no foul.This is an issue of writing, and bad wrting at that. Look at the original Twilight Zone. If you adjusted for today, Twilight Zone would probably still have less of a budget than Dollhouse, but what made Rod Serling's show work was not fancy effects, hot camera moves...great set designs, or costumes, no--it started with great story writing, plotting, great dialogue, directing and acting. Dollhouse fails in many of those categories...but its biggest failing is in the writing, and it is the writing, great writing, that was Rod Serling's greatest special effect--to get to the heart, soul, body and mind of his audience, and hold, and stun them. Look-up the Twilght Zone episode "To Serve Man". It will scare the hell-out of you!!! Then, compare it to any episode of Dollhouse, and you'll see the difference.
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I am watching Season 1 at the moment, nearly at the end, and I am well impressed. As with Firefly, every episode is totally distinctive, and has a different feel. It's not like they are doing the same thing week after week. People (geeks) are so into mythologies, and series story arcs, but I call bullshit on that. What really matters is that every episode gives you something to chew on and digest - that's much better than something that leaves you feeling unsatisfied and still hungry.
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...it is my favorite Twilight Zone episode to date--a masterpiece. It has such an unexpected and earth shattering conclusion, it just shakes you, as you weren't expecting the outcome, not at all. You won't see it coming, the twist...and it still shocks me every time I watch it...and I have seen that episode probably a dozen times, plus...now!!!
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...or if there is any there, there...at all? That is the problem with the show. It is set-up for us to follow her story arc, but there is no persona to follow...so we, the audience, can follow said arc? That is bad writing--as the central character has no motivation, whatsoever?
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I see your point and i know your correct about the shows being written for the lowest common denominator i just wish it wasn't so.
i want to watch shows with interesting characters, funny characters, characters i can care about that have fun but intelligent dialogue. and not be faced by bad acting poor story development, lip gloss and lots of cleavage.
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On the one hand you dismiss some genre shows as being for stupid people, but then you go and say that Joss needs to deliver this pablum just to stay on the air.
I disagree. I'd rather see a failed attempt at bringing high brow drama to the audience, than be told "Oh, this piece of shit show has some good points to it."
I've never bothered with Legend of the Seeker because I got a couple of hundred pages in to the book, and then threw it away because it sucked so much.
A pair of tits has never been enough to make me check out a show.
I find the idea that you think I'd need to be told about the Twilight Zone, or "To serve man" laughable. Almost as laughable as the idea that it would scare me. I grew up with TZ episodes, and many of them were predictable, and many of them were just silly. They were modern day Aesop fables, not real drama at all. -
After going from not having seen a single episode to having watched all of S1 in a couple of days, consider me invested.
But then I also liked Firefly a lot. But there seems to be a powerful impetus among future Torgo's ingredients to only favour the most lowbrow science fiction i.e. Stargate. -
Oct 13, 2009 5:37:19 AM CDT
a network standing behind a show with less than stellar ratings
by palewook
this is unheard of in today's viewing market. sounds like fox is trying to make amends to whedonites for the firefly thing.
some will never forgive fox for the firefly thing.
this should make fans of dollhouse happy, provided fox stands behind their word. no matter the ratings, they are going to see the complete season. -
I love the staff of the Dollhouse too (that is the characters that populate it on screen). They are smart, and interesting, and appear to have a goal, beyond just high-tech pimping, and obviously, they do, as "Epitaph One" has shown us. The problem is, Joss and his writing team are refusing to show us the details of that--something they should have been doiing from episode one, of season one--and Echo should have been the key to unlocking that mystery. She should have become aware of her circumstances, and played dumb so she could smartly investigate, and undermine the Dollhouse, and its many players, and slowly acted to destroy them from within. I think that would have been altogether more interesting for the audience...to know that she was tactfully organizing in secret, to defend herself, then ambush, and turn her handlers, and clients, against each other.Like you, I like smart drama also. i hate shows like Charmed, but I know the marketplace, and sex sells most everything in society, but I think there is a way to fool, the fools in society, and give them what they want, or what they think they want, but also sneak some vitamins, and smart pills into their breakfast cereals without them being the wiser. Joss did that brilliantly with Buffy--but with Dollhouse, he has given us a great setting, yet he doesn't seem to know what to do with it? The show has become like a cross between "Buffy: The Vampire Slayer" and "Weekend At Bernie's"? Imagine how boring it would be...if our belovid Buffy spent every episode of the series dead, as all the other Scoobies, and their stories sort of function around her, but never really involve her, although, she is the central character of the show? It may work for a movie, i.e., "Bernie", but it can't work for an ongoing TV series, ala Dollhouse. Echo is essentially a dead corpse, with no purpose. I am asking Whedon to re-animate her, and give her purpose, and make her fuel the events of the show, and not just subsist as an aside to them, or have them, swirl around her without her affecting, and effecting, them. I want her to be the pebble, that changes the course of the waters, one that impacts the still waters which surround her. She can only do that in the form of a person with a conscious mind, a person that can send-out reverberations with her deliberate actions. I want to see a smart and commanding woman in charge of her own destiny, not a comatose victim fo sexual abuse, who is unaware that she is even a victim, at all--and sadly, that is who Echo is???!!!
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Oct 13, 2009 5:52:07 AM CDT
V'Shael: Most Every Great Writer Would Disagree With...
by media messiah
...you about the original Twilight Zone, including Joss Whedon. Yes, Joss is a great writer, he just doesn't seem to know how to write the cloak & dagger genre--which is, Dollhouse.And BTW, V'Shael, there is plenty of T&A on Dollhouse, probably more than any current network show, however, it is just not being used properly, nor is the attempt at cerebral writing.
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in other words, once thats done...so is the show. and 13 really? i thought they got a full season's worth. we're already like 3 or 4 episodes in so they better start ratching up the arc since its likely #13 will be the end.
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cant really blame fox for failing to order a season 3 of dollhouse. its being out performed in the ratings by network repeats and cable shows.
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I think my own problems with dollhouse although i believe it should be given the opportunity to evolve into a better show is that the only active i actually like is sierra, shes the only one that interests me and she gets the least amount of screen time compared to the rest.
When joss decided to make echos original personality(Caroline) a animal rights activist my eyes just rolled but thankfully we haven't seen much of that persona.
Its just a shame there aren't more channels... sorry i mean networks (its a British thing).. that are willing to take chances like HBO but on sci-fi. I know that joss can write excellent dialogue and build great story arcs just look at buffy, but at the moment he seems to be trying with dollhouse but seems a little unsure of himself as if hes second guessing himself. -
if people disagree with me or not. I found the original TZ episodes predictable quite often, and more similar to Aesops fables than any actual drama. In Aesops fables, you can tell the story where the dog and the fox are talking, and no one cares because you're telling a moral story. It's not meant to be real. In TZ, you can have Satan, robots, aliens, ugly-people-Earth, etc... and no body questions it because your telling a moral story. It's not meant to be real.
And while there is plenty of T&A in Dollhouse, that's not why I watch it. I could care less if there was no T&A on it. People obsessing over T&A on a network show is the sort of idiot thinking that kept Baywatch on the air for years.
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I love that; 'isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Or maybe it's Glenn Beck. Either way, Fox is insane.' I want to steal it.
Its a shame as I was finally turned around on dollhouse last week, finally got into it, sounds like death to me.
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Or a Faith TV show with SMG making special (i want money) appearances
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I have a feeling they may burn them off at some obscure day/time.
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Yeah, we all know Dushku can't carry the show, but 1) she's Whedon's boss, and 2) he loves her, as he does all his usual cast. They can do no wrong.Pennsy: NBC is probably fucking with Glee because of the unofficial boycott the other networks have imposed on their talent appearing on Leno. And didja hear that cockroach Zucker is expected to survive a Comcast deal if it happens?
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Even the Holodeck from STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION thinks this is an overdone plot device.
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They've just delayed it until they finish the season. Oh well I guess I can't be right all the time. At least they're canceling this shit.
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Are we going to start listening to Fox Execs all of the sudden?
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Do you think Whedon will learn his lesson and stay the fuck away from Fox next time he has an idea?
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People have always listened to Fox execs (don't ask me why). They seem to provide comfort to the mentally afflicted, by telling them "Yes Virgina, there really is a liberal conspiracy to strip you of everything you hold dear"
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The battered wives usually go back to their abusive husbands, until they either die, or the beating goes too far. By actually renewing Dollhouse that first time, it's like they told Joss they'd stop hitting him in the face. And they'd only put cigs out on his arms in the future. And he goes "Okay..." and tearfully gets back in the car.
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I wasn't expecting this fair treatment from them. Maybe they're finally starting to get it. If you have to cancel the show, fine, but let it finish out the season so that it's worth our initial viewing investment. It's not about the money they'll make off this show, it's about giving people a reason to try future ones. Still, I wish Firefly got this many episodes. I doubt I'll ever want to rewatch Dollhouse.
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That the show is getting canned when no one is watching it? Just curious, as I'm sure you have logical reasoning as opposed to 'Whedonvision (tm)'
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It's a lot harder to "pull the rug out" from under someone when they are expecting it. Best way to do it is convince them you are not going to do it then suddenly do it. Maybe Fox'll put a note in Joss's Christmas gift basket saying "On second thought..."
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Like Dollhouse or not, the ratings are not supporting it. This happens to all shows, not just Whedon's "golden calf". No one is picking on Joss Whedon. It's as though people want him to be some geek martyr. He's not Jesus people.
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do lead-in shows really make an appreciable impact? Maybe, back in the day when you only had a half-dozen channels to chose from and had to walk across the room to change the channel. Really, how many people watch whatever's on after the show they are watching simply because it's on the same channel? Do people plan their TV viewing that indiscriminately? Do that many people have no idea what to watch after their program has finished and are lured-in by the "coming up next" commercial? Do people stay away from a show because they dislike the one that airs before it?
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Are you referring to the Twilight Zone episode who's outcome is so obvious that one who has never actually seen it (me) could guess the twist upon reading the first sentence of the episode synopsis? The formula for Twilight Zone was ridiculously predictable. Whatever conclusion the people in the story are drawing, the opposite is the twist. Rinse and repeat, and you've got an entire television series.
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Media Messiah is comma happy. That's all fine, if he did not constantly claim to be a writer. MM--you say you can't learn how to become a great writer in college, but if you honestly don't see the comma over use in your posts, you don't have a chance. You haven't been as crazy as you usually are lately... finally see a doctor or get medication???
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They get to see the rest of the episodes shot before its cancelled. So I hope you fans appreciate it.Plus it means more chances for nutcake MM to make more of fool of himself. That's always fun.
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Sure this show has potential, it's a nifty idea that your memories and identity can be analyzed and stored in a computer and then transferred back into your own or someone elses body. However they never deal with it. They spend way to much time on the hooker of the week plotlines and never explore the real issues they've raised. -
it's obvious the only reasons FOX will be airing all 13 episodes are this:...1) FOX has no new original programming to put into the timeslot...meaning they don't have any mid-season replacements lined up...if they did Dollhouse would be gone by now...2) FOX is giving Whedon a chance to write a SERIES finale for Episode 13 and not just make it another regular episode
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"Do you think Whedon will learn his lesson and stay the fuck away from Fox next time he has an idea?"
Right. I mean, he got (at least) two seasons despite crap ratings. Yeah, Fox sure fucked him over.
Do you seriously think he had the option to go with CBS on a Tuesday night following CSI Something-or-Other?
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Oct 13, 2009 12:32:38 PM CDT
Since the show will more than likely be cancelled after 13 eps
by rinse
Joss Whedon should forget trying to pick up new viewers with the remaining episodes and go balls to the wall with some crazy shit.
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I pretty much realized I was never really going to give a fuck one way or another about an extension. Everytime they've showed a little bit of promise, they've blasted it to bits with mind-numbingly dull installments. Even this last ep, which was a significant improvement and featured some great lines for Boyd, was largely a missed opportunity, as the Echo storyline was completely and utterly fucking pointless and cliche' as all hell. We didn't need ANY of those fucking scenes with the professor the way it was written, and they weren't interesting or well-acted or well-written or ANYfucking thing. Just wasted airtime. So I'll watch the rest of the episodes for the scattered moments of entertainment, but it's really almost a chore at this point.
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But, with the numbers they're pulling up, even a 13 episode season 3, as pure filler before 24 & American Idol in the mid-season, I highly doubt we'll get that. Once again, wrap it up on the 13th episode, Whedon. Wrap it up, old school.
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I tried some web searching but my Google-fu was weak and I got some dead links. They were working on the Wonder Woman script...and then...?
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Is pretty much one more than what Firefly had. So the news, isn't entirely bad.
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First, Entertainment Weekly's Mike Ausiello posted at 12:07PM EDT a blind item that read: "Fired actor's pink slip hidden in script!": http://tinyurl.com/ygl6rhg. 78 minutes later, the returning-from-maternity-leave Kristin dos Santos posted on her E! blog that a major, big-time death will befall a male character on Heroes: http://tinyurl.com/yl544t8.
My money is on Adrian Pasdar, Sendhil Ramamurthy (Mohinder)...or Jack Coleman (HRG). More signs that Heroes is imploding. -
Is a solid actress but this show doesn't fit her well. I'd like to see no namer, non established actress behind the helm the way SMG was with Buffy.
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It surely has to be Pasdar, now that Sylar has returned (in body at least). Shame, I always liked Nathan. I don't think the show is imploding though. It's never been been without its falults but its still better than 90% of the shit that's on TV these days. As for Dollhouse, I'm glad that Fox is airing the remaining eps! I hope Joss wraps it up nicely, like a Xmas pressie!
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Oct 13, 2009 3:51:05 PM CDT
Smackfu: Every Major Writer In Hollywood Credits Rod...
by media messiah
...Seriling as an inspiration to their careers...and look at him as the greatest TV writer of all time. Now, tell me if you guessed the conclusion of "The Planet Of The Apes", cause he wrote that also, though he went largely uncredited due to Writer's union rules. Look it up!!!
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Joss is pulling his punches on network TV, he should be doing a show on HBO or Show Time so he can really delve into the premise of the show and be as subversive, and thought provoking as he wants, without worrying about ratings.
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...make it seem like he is delivering pablum, and give us what he does best, give us something smart--however, up to this point, he has delivered a confused show in Dollhouse? Again, he is writing so smartly, or attempting to, that he has out smarted himself, and has lost focus on the plot, and the characters therein. All I am saying is easy up a little, tell a simple a story to establish structure, and then enclose smart ideas in that simple story structure. The T&A is just a lure for the idiots who are the meanstream audience. Well, they deliver ratings, those knuckle heads, that is a fact, and that is why Glee is a hit...and Dollhouse isn't?
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He wrote the West Wing without ever ending a script. He wrote it, the whole entire show without separating scripts or adding page numbers. He made his own writing scructure, and no one on staff nitpicked with him, told him that he could not write, or called him crazy, for doing that. I write the way I do, to add points of emphasis to my sentences. Much like comic book writers add #*?*##!!! in their writing to convey a certain energy to their readers. They, in doing so, broke writing form, and created a new form of writing...and some of them are screenplay writers and novelists who have studied many of the world's greatest writers.Now, if you two have something constructive to say--to add to the debate, please do, but enough of the immature personal attacks, as they are unbecoming of you. You are better than that.
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Oct 13, 2009 5:08:05 PM CDT
Media Messiah, did you just say you're as complex as Aaron Sorki
by tall_boy66
*cough*hubris, dude*cough*
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Great. But networks have still earned no confidence. They need to change how they tally numbers and measure success or they've lost many viewers they will never get back.
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To you, he would have been somebody to laugh at, and snicker about. Just a guy with big dreams, who claimed that he was a writer? Or how about Tarantino, when he was working at a video store, etc.?
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Your analogy is extremely flawed. And you leave yourself open to critcism by making an analogy like that. You also leave yourself open to criticism because week after week we hear you call yourself a writer, as if that alone earns you respect... there's a reason why it has been pointed out that you use way too many commas--its so out of control that its distracting... if you didn't talk about how you are a writer so much, nobody would give a shit about your commas. But by trying to validate your poor sentence structure by comparing yourself to sorkin is laughable. He went about his career using unconventional technique, but over using commas that make for very long run on sentances has nothing to do with how sorkin went about his business. An unconventional writing process is just that--unconventional. You say you're a writer, but you can't even admit you are breaking, not bendiing, fundamental RULES of the english language. Knowing you think very little of the value of college, it makes sense you write that way. A college educated English major would never come close to your obsessive use of commas--i don't care where or what they are writing. You should have taken the criticism and, if you really are a writer, correct your grammar and syntax. I actually complimented you for not being as crazy as you have been in the past, and i've noticed it the past few weeks. But the small amount of credibility I was beginning to give you was completely lost--when it was pointed out you are breaking FUNDAMENTAL RULES of the english language and you respond by comparing bad grammar and syntax to the process of aaron sorkin.
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This from a site whch s lnked to Whedonesque.com
'Cleveland' youngest fall show; 'Good Wife' oldest
Not only does Fox have the highest-rated new scripted series this fall in "The Cleveland Show," it also has the show with the youngest audience. With an average age of 28 (which, in broadcast TV, is practically prepubescent) "Cleveland" even beat the CW's "Vampire Diaries." At the other end of the spectrum was CBS' "The Good Wife" and "Three Rivers" with a median age of 57. Here's the list of the median ages of new fall shows based on the first few weeks:
Good Wife - 57
Three Rivers - 57
NCIS: Los Angeles - 56
The Forgotten - 55
Mercy - 55
Hank - 55
Jay Leno Show - 53
The Middle - 51
Trauma - 50
FlashForward - 50
Eastwick - 49
Modern Family - 47
Accidentally on Purpose - 47
Brothers - 46
Cougar Town - 46
Community - 39
Glee - 37
Vampire Diaries - 32
Melrose Place - 30
Cleveland Show - 28
"Cleveland" tied "Family Guy" as the youngest broadcast show overall on TV. And even though "The Simpsons" has been on the air for 21 seasons, it's still averages a youthful 30. The oldest show was the other scripted show that's hit 20 seasons, "Law & Order," with a median age of 60. And because no blog post this week seems complete without something about "Dollhouse," if you're curious it's 43. This should prove what I have been sayiing...if you want a wider demo, you have to give the illusion of making a play for them, and their attentions, or you won't get them at all.
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And I'm a huge Joss fan. You can tell his heart is not in the show. I think the producer is that Dushku girl. Seems like Joss is in it for a friend. He didn't come up with the idea and isn't writing it.
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I said that his writing style is considered to be uncoventional, at least, that was my clear meaning, although I didn't use that exact wording.The reason I became interested in Sorkin is because, while writing a script about a decade ago, I started to avoid, and rather organtically so, stop using page numbering...and next, I started another sequel script, in the same Word program...without bothering to separate the scripts. Well, that broke writing conventions, but several years later, I learned that Sorkin was doing the very same thing--the reason why I mentioned his name. I wasn't comparing myself to him, but I was using him as an example to show that standard writing convention can be broken, and is done all the time, and only pseudo intellectuals stick to convention--whilst, true artists and geniuses break the mold. In fact, Stephen J. Cannell the noted producer, writer, novelist...does it all the time, because, like me, he is a dyslexic. His staff, corrects all of his scripts for him, and yet, he is one of the most respected writers of all time. I'll remind you that he wrote, and produced, "The Rockford Files"...one of the greatest shows of all time, BTW. Hemmingway...and Agatha Christie also had learning disabilities, and their writing was said to be mostly gibberish to the average onlooker. Einstein was terrible with math. Did you know that? And Da Vinci was a dyslexic too. So I'd say, considering that I am a dyslexic, and have an extremely rare eye disease that warps my vision, I am doing quite well, despite your many attacks. And if the great writers and geniuses I mentioned, can do it, then so can I.
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Oct 13, 2009 6:53:04 PM CDT
Amended--Ryanbraun14: I Didn't Compare Myself To Sorkin
by media messiah
I said that his writing style is considered to be uncoventional, at least, that was my clear meaning, although I didn't use that exact wording.
The reason I became interested in Sorkin is because, while writing a script about a decade ago, I began avoiding the usage of page numbering, and rather organtically so, and next, I started another sequel script, in the same Word program...without bothering to separate the scripts. Well, that broke writing conventions, but several years later, I learned that Sorkin was doing the very same thing--the reason why I mentioned his name. I wasn't comparing myself to him, but I was using him as an example to show that standard writing convention can be broken, and is done all the time, and only pseudo intellectuals stick to convention--whilst, true artists and geniuses break the mold. In fact, Stephen J. Cannell the noted producer, writer, novelist...does it all the time, because, like me, he is a dyslexic. His staff, corrects all of his scripts for him, and yet, he is one of the most respected writers of all time. I'll remind you that he wrote, and produced, "The Rockford Files"...one of the greatest shows of all time, BTW.
Hemmingway...and Agatha Christie also had learning disabilities, and their writing was said to be mostly gibberish to the average onlooker. Einstein was terrible with math. Did you know that? And Da Vinci was a dyslexic too. So I'd say, considering that I am a dyslexic, and have an extremely rare eye disease that warps my vision, I am doing quite well, despite your many attacks. And if the great writers and geniuses I mentioned, can do it, then so can I.BTW, I have offered a brief sample of my writing in the form of the unsolicited Season 2 Story Outline that I wrote based on Dollhouse. If you think you can top it, go right ahead, and post your writings. I have offered all of you who have badmouthed me to take me up on that challenge for months now, and not one of you, to a person, has done so. You can blast me all you want, but if you are such authorities on good writing, then...best my outline, or stay mute. Hey, if you best me, I will happily, and openingly, give you credit. You've had months now to do it, about 7 to 8 months, and nothing? -
I'm hearing great things about Cabin In The Woods and Serenity was great.
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zzzzzzzz
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99% of the time I HATE, I mean REALLY HATE, someone in a talkback for something they don't care about and write: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzNow I feel like there's a time and a place for that--and this talkback about this show with this amount of bias and this kind of weekly yet undeserved talkback is when you bust out the zzzzzzz's
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Fox Executive Fired!
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Come on, kick my ass if you can? Post your writing samples, and I'll post mine. You'll have the advantage, as you have inferred that you are great with punctuation, and let's face it, I have my many critics here. So bring it on, any of you, actually. Again, kick my ass with your writing, if you can? I say you can't, but what do I know--right? Bring it it on, I'm ready. And, I will win.
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You should read your posts again. Would you someone to talk to you the way you write? One big long speech with 20 different thoughts all crammed together into one sentence.
Your posts are seriously hard to read. I give up after the first few lines.
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I am not talking about ideas here. This is just about trying to *communicate* those ideas. This is where you fail.
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If you can best me, bring it on with your own original writing samples, or tap-out.
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You love challenging others to writers battles, don't you? I could very well take you up on that, but what kind of writing samples are we talking about? scripts? passages from novels? dialogue? monologue? short stories? You've gotten my interest... i think this would be fun, infact, i thought that months ago when I tried to get a writing sample from you in a million ways... you've suprised me here--I haven't seen you accuse other talkbackers of being writers on dollhouse recently... as a schizophrenic, 6 years or so I was on these very talkbacks and (this will be hard for alot of you other talkbackers to believe) i was WAY more delusional than you have been... yep, that's how crazy I was... as a matter of fact, its not even close... i lead young adult support groups, i meet with other young adults one on one who don't want to go to support groups--i've helped alot of people get through mental illness, and truthfully, you're showing signs that you got on medication or are seeing a psychologist or both. there's no shame in admitting it. But that's neither here nor there--what kind of writing samples are we talking about?
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you've really gotten me excited... i can't tell you how interested I am in reading what you've written. I've attached alot of my fiction in an email to myself, so i can choose what to provide when i'm at work tommorrow.
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The best way to compete would be for you and another to take the same idea and see who can convey it more effectively. From your posts I'm pretty sure I would do a better job. Bring it on.
BUT, if you're talking about pure story ideas - I'm not very creative in that respect.
What is your definition of superior writing? I can write but I wouldn't consider myself a writer per se.
If you can't communicate effectively then you're not a good writer. This has always been the issue. (Plus your opinion of 2001: A Space Odyssey).
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FIRST OFF: its Hemingway with ONE 'M'-- i've spent too much time trying to find it, so please link to something that says he had a disability. While you're at it, find me something that says Hemingway's work, at some point, was called gibberish. You see, if you took yourself seriously enough to go to college, the odds of you having to read 'hills like white elephants' would be very high. His mastery of the english language, and the capability to tell a whole story with virtually nothing but dialogue is astounding. I find it hard to believe someone who can write a short story so dense, tight, and deep needed someone to help him make sense of that story...
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I read the ouline for 2010, and it was from a very competent writer, but the outline sucked. Look, I am sure you are a very good writer, and yes, I have my flubs, typos, and what not, but don't have edit buttons here, or I would have corrected them--as I often recognize them after the fact, but there are only so many amendments you can do without driving everybody crazy.That said, I like that you have the guts to at least take my challenge on, or consider it. So many on these Talkbacks have out, and out, refused, and I can't respect that. You however, are a person of honor and integrity, hence, you have my respect.
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I am more than willing to take your challenge... but answer my question--what kind of writing are we talking about??? Also, this little challenge requires no guts.
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As I have said, I have dyslexia, you should be surprised that I didn't do worse with Hemingway's name. In regard to Hemingway, everything that I have said is factual, I am not going to do all the work foor you, but I will look up some of the stuff concerning his learning disabilities.
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First Person
ADHD-One Mother's Perspective
By: Kathleen Turner
"I think Devon has Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder," the kindergarten teacher whispered in my ear. I paused with no reaction. It sounded like my son had just been diagnosed with some terrible, incurable disease. The blank look on my face must have somehow urged her to continue on. "We'll need a psycho-educational assessment and the results will have to go to the IPRC Committee, but that's not until February. Unfortunately, due to lack of funding, you may have to have it done privately. The cost could be between $800 and $1000. They will likely designate him exceptional-communication."
Exceptional… finally a word I understood. Nothing was wrong with Devon. I knew my son was exceptional… the way he could ride a two-wheeler before anyone else, how he could sing with perfect pitch, how he would dress up in the most sophisticated and creative costumes, and dance, he could dance for hours. The teacher and I were not on the same page.
The teacher continued, "We will then be able to set him up with an individual education plan as soon as possible. I know you want your son to get the best education based on his special needs." Special needs!… my son has special needs! I knew what THAT meant! They think he's retarded, stupid, a dummy, weird. My mind was rocketed back to my own childhood and the names that THOSE kids can get called.
I knew Devon was difficult, I even read the book, "How to Raise a Difficult Child." I loved my son. Nothing was wrong with him. I began my quest to prove it, mostly for myself and especially for him. Tunnel vision can have a positive side.
I read and I read about how to treat it with medicine, how to parent it, teach to it, feed it and what not to feed it, and how most people in jail have it (that scared me). I talked to teachers, doctors, psychologists, other Moms, even strangers. I listened to radio shows and watched TV shows, anything where there was a discussion on it. I soaked it all up like a sponge, began to think, and came to some conclusions.
How could nature have made such a mistake – but is it a mistake? At least 10% of North American children are considered as having Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and millions of kids are put on Ritalin because of it. Doctors do the prescribing, but it's the schoolteachers that make the decision that if the child is to attend school, they should take the prescribed drug. How did these sets of personality traits, abilities and skills become labeled as a "disorder?"
Thom Hartmann states in his book Attention Deficit Disorder: A Different Perception, "Generally, people view behaviors they don't understand or which are not the "norm" as inferior. The fact that people in the 17 th to 19 th centuries debated whether or not Native and African slaves were human, highlights the extremes to which people tend to take notions of culturalism. Accepting the notion that ADHD is an inherent trait, consider the types of people who would risk life and limb for a journey across the Atlantic in the 17 th century. People who are different are often lumped into a "not quite human" or "abnormal" category. Labels are very powerful things. They create for us paradigms through which we see ourselves, the world, and our place in it. Applying a label that says, "you have a deficit and a disorder" is more destructive than at all useful."
Attributes should be presented as strengths not as weaknesses or disorders. Easily distracted, short attention span, disorganized, impulsive can be viewed instead as constantly monitoring the environment, able to switch tasks on a split second's notice, very independent, thinking for themselves, flexible, incredible bursts of energy, thinking visually, will face danger that others will not, a willingness to take risks and quick decision making.
ADHD people are associated with high achievement, creativity, and a most successful adaptive style. A few famous people who would today be diagnosed with ADHD are Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Sir Richard Francis Burton and Ernest Hemingway to name a few.
School is the hardest place for these children to be. Education has a long way to go before all of our children's different learning styles and intelligences are embraced to ensure that every child is successful.
My son knows that he is an intelligent, loving and competent individual in spite of the barriers that have been placed before him. Advocating for my son and others like him has become a part of my life. We're lucky to have each other and we've also been lucky enough to realize that learning creates understanding and perspective is everything.
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http://www.ldonline.org/firstperson/ADHD-One_Mother's_Perspective
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WHAT KIND OF WRITING SAMPLES DO YOU WANT TO POST FOR THE CHALLENGE???
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is from October 29 – November 25, 2009. Dollhouse is already on the schedule for Oct. 30 as via this press release:
http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/2009/10/dollhouse-episode-205-public-eye-press.html
ECHO RACES TO STOP THE DOLLHOUSE’S SECRETS FROM BEING EXPOSED ON “DOLLHOUSE” FRIDAY, OCTOBER 30, ON FOX
Summer Glau (“Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles”) Joins the Cast in a Recurring Role
Alexis Denisof and Keith Carradine Guest-Star.
[snipped for summary spoliers]....in the “The Public Eye” episode of DOLLHOUSE airing Friday, Oct. 30 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (DOL-205) (TV-14 D, L, S, V)
Source: FOX
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...Learning Disabilties. Just cut and paste the address in your search engines, and take-out any space, or spaces, that may appear in the address web address...before pressing the enter button on you computer keyboards. If you fail to take-out the space, or spaces, you will be re-directed to an error message.
http://www.kpinst.org/famous.html
You'll notice Ernest Hemingway's name on the list...among many other well respected and famous people--a number of which were often bullied, called stupid, and told that their grammer and punctuation was not good. Now, please, go back to unfairly attacking me again. Far be it from me to interrupt you when you are on a roll. -
...for Dollhouse. Do a rewrite on it, a reboot. Or, write something completely original, having nothing to do with it. Maybe two, to three paragraphs worth.
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It's probably better to be creative. One can always learn to write better but you can't learn to be creative! I think you're either born with it or you're not. That's why I spend time here reading rather than writing stories!
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Just make your point and move on, no one on any of these TBs needs to prove themself.
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Suck it, you smug Stargate-loving bastards. Nothing you say now changes the fact that your pathetic predictions of mid-season death were all the products of feverishly moronic self-induced convictions of your own "understandings" of how the business works. So, how are those predictions panning out for ya?
Brick. Back to Clark "I can't fly yet cause I'm gay" Smallville with you, please. And next time you decide to open your ignorant fucking mouths about Dollhouse, try inserting a barrel, pulling the trigger, and sparing the rest of us your stupidity on these talkbacks. -
As I've pointed out before THOROZINE can't do anything but help you.FYI I was flipping through some medical texts about insanity and it had your name and the url for this talkback next to the words NUT BAR. I think its some sort of code.
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"The Coming"
Written By: Media Messiah...10-14-09
Fade-Up:
Country Town...Ext--Day
We see a 360 degree shot of rural landscape as the camera turns, capturing the opening establishing shot. Promptly, the camera lens focuses on a giant mass forming in the northerly direction of what must be...the outskirts of a typical American...country town. The body of an anomalous creature can be seen in the distance--one covered in shadow. A monstrosity...this mammoth, for it is of enormous height...and girth--and on this day, it is intent on making this town...its new hunting ground.
The creature had come...far across the landscape, leaving a wealth of destruction in its massive wake. No one would be immune, it would seem--by the looks of the debris left behind...along its path? The gray skies, and the entire region, are gripped with a prevailing mood of gloom...as the monster looms forth, searching for yet another meal for its insatiable appetite. Within just a few miles, ahead of its lumbering gait, a meager farmhouse sits, perfectly placed at the center of this, a prairie...turned rich...farmland.
With a thunderous boom, the monstrosity changes course, and sets forth--toward the farmhouse. Nothing...can stop, this seemingly, unstoppable, foe.
Farmhouse--Kitchen--Int.
Still, and alone, a teenage boy nervously clutches the sides of a oak chair which he sits perched upon--awaiting, the inevitable approach...of certain death. Thick lines of labored sweat trace down his emotionless face. His trembling brow, betraying his inner cowardice...as brightly a betrayal, as the desperate gasps of air, which he takes in...with his barely...agape mouth. His coveralls, wet with perspiration...he is the picture of...confusion...and hysteria.
The crashing sounds of trees, and other debris, call his attention toward the back of the kitchen. Quickly, instantly, he knows, the creature has come for him. Breaking from his mental fog, he runs toward the rear of the farmhouse, hoping to reach the bomb shelter...ahead of the shadowy threat which has come to menace this once peaceful land. As he reaches the rear-door, his tall...lanky body, quakes with fear. Twisting the doorknob, the boy quickly flings the door open, and steps forth into the awaiting barn ahead--his face, filled with sudden calm--and even, a burgeoning joy. Suddenly, however, his expression of relief, is replaced with one of shock, and awe. Just before him, laying on its side, approximately 50 feet away, a massive water tower, has come to rest--its mass, covering the horizontally laying...shelter door. Peering upward to his immediate right, the teen notices that the eastern wall of the barn...and even its roof...are no longer there. They are simply...gone? The hungry howl of the giant creature...bursts forth, announcing that its presence...is all the nearer.
With a horrifying crackle, the farm structure begins to fall apart. Turning, the teen runs, from whence he came. Through the house...he sprints--his pale white arms drenched in shadows as he goes. Pillar supports--the spine of the once robust farmhouse, concave inward, from every direction, and crash down upon him. Miraculously, escaping the chaos, the farm boy manages to make his way to the front-door of the house, and jumps clear of his crumpling home--as it collapses into a mound of twisted wreckage.
Just feet from the collapse..the boy tucks down in a fetal position, and takes cover. Spotting a crevice, just yards away, across the now battered farmlands, the teen instantly knows, that this--a mere drainage ditch, will serve...as the perfect place...to secret himself, if he could only make it a run that far. The creature would not find him here, in the drainage ditch, he accurately accessed...amid a flurry of passing musings.
Well above the tips of his spiked...fire red hair, he could see a flock of birds as they gripped tightly to the branches of a hulking tree, with their talons--unimpressed by the coming behemoth. In an instant, with a zapping pop, the tree gave way, and falling to its side, just short of the boy--it's roots, dangling just before his nose. Startled, the birds, tossed like leaves from the tree--take to the air, and flapped away. Gathering his breath, the teen...pulls himself up from the ground...and runs desperately for the ditch--his only hope of survival.
As he moves, he can hear, and feel, the massive creature's pulsing breath against his back--from nearly...a field away. Rapidly, the creature gains on his position--first 10 yards--and then, 20--to his every step. Leaping into the drainage ditch, the boy quickly turns, and looks up--to witness the giant monster's face.
In an instant, the tornado...was upon him.
Fade To Black
The End
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"The Coming"
Written By: Media Messiah...10-14-09
Fade-Up:
Country Town...Ext--Day
We see a 360 degree shot of rural landscape, as the camera turns, capturing the opening establishing shot. Promptly, the camera lens focuses on a giant mass forming in the northerly direction of what must be...the outskirts of a typical American...country town. The body of an anomalous creature can be seen in the distance--one covered in shadow. A monstrosity...this mammoth, for it is of enormous height...and girth--and on this day, it is intent on making this town...its new hunting ground.
The creature had come...far across the landscape, leaving a wealth of destruction in its massive wake. No one would be immune, it would seem--by the looks of the debris left behind...along its path? The gray skies, and the entire region, are gripped with a prevailing mood of gloom...as the monster looms forth, searching for yet another meal for its insatiable appetite. Within just a few miles, ahead of its lumbering gait, a meager farmhouse sits, perfectly placed at the center of this, a prairie...turned rich...farmland.
With a thunderous boom, the monstrosity changes course, and sets forth--toward the farmhouse. Nothing...can stop this...seemingly, unstoppable, foe.
Farmhouse--Kitchen--Int.
Still, and alone, a teenage boy nervously clutches the sides of a oak wood chair which he sits perched upon--awaiting the inevitable approach of certain death. Thick lines of labored sweat trace down his emotionless face. His trembling brow, betraying his inner cowardice...as brightly a betrayal, as the desperate gasps of air, which he takes in with his barely agape mouth. His coveralls, wet with perspiration, he is the picture of confusion...and hysteria.
The crashing sounds of trees and other debris, call his attention toward the back of the kitchen. Quickly, instantly, he knows, the creature has come for him. Breaking from his mental fog, he runs toward the rear of the farmhouse, hoping to reach the bomb shelter...ahead of the shadowy threat which has come to menace this once peaceful land. As he reaches the rear-door, his tall...lanky body, quakes with fear. Twisting the doorknob, the boy quickly flings the door open, and steps forth into the awaiting barn ahead--his face, filled with sudden calm--and even, a burgeoning joy. Suddenly, however, his expression of relief, is replaced with one of shock, and awe. Just before him, laying on its side, approximately 50 feet away, a massive water tower has come to rest--its mass, covering the horizontally laying...shelter door. Peering upward to his immediate right, the teen notices that the eastern wall of the barn...and even its roof...are no longer there. They are simply...gone? The hungry howl of the giant creature bursts forth, announcing that its evil presence...is all the nearer.
With a horrifying crackle, the farm structure begins to fall apart. Turning, the teen runs from whence he came. Through the house...he sprints--his pale white arms drenched in shadows as he goes. Pillar supports--the spine of the once robust farmhouse, concave inward from every direction, and crash down upon him. Miraculously, escaping the chaos, the farm boy manages to make his way to the front-door of the house, and jumps clear of his crumpling home--as it collapses into a mound of twisted wreckage.
Just feet from the collapse..the boy lays tucked down in a fetal position, where he has temporarily taken cover. Spotting a crevice, just yards away, across the now battered farmlands, the teen instantly knows that this--a mere drainage ditch, will suffice...as the perfect place...to secret himself, if he can only make it that far. The creature would not find him here, in the drainage ditch, he accurately assessed...amid a flurry of passing musings.
Well above the tips of his spiked...fire red hair, he could see a flock of birds as they gripped tightly to the branches of a hulking tree with their talons--unimpressed by the coming behemoth. In an instant, with a zapping pop, the tree gave way, falling to its side...just short of the boy--it's roots, dangling just before his nose. Startled, the birds, tossed like leaves from the tree--take to the air, and flapped away. Gathering his breath, the teen...pulls himself up from the ground, and runs desperately for the ditch--his only hope of survival.
As he moves, he can hear, and feel, the massive creature's pulsing breath against his back--from nearly a field away. Rapidly, the creature gains on his position--first by 10 yards--and then, 20--to his every single step. Leaping into the drainage ditch, the boy quickly turns, and looks up--to witness the giant monster's face.
In an instant, the tornado...was upon him.
Fade To Black
The End
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...this was a rush job. I had it typed, and ready to post, about 12 AM my time, alas...my computer kicked me out, and I lost my writing. I had to re-write it from memory all over again. Anyway, save for a few typos and errant commas, I am pretty pleased with it. Hope you guys like it. I look forward to reading your writing.
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Is the vagueries of American TV scheduling ever explained to anyone? the show is entertaining and interesting, something you cannot say for the majority of the scheduling, I mean Smallville goes 10 seasons and its literally steaming turd TV for losers and morons.
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how Dollhouse ever made it to a 2nd season in the first place was as much a mystery. Its a show that doesnt know what it wants to be, whether its track down echo doll of the week, murder she wrote for dead people, or some giganticorp running the world with people swapping bodies, sleeper agents...what does it want to be ??
chuck in some bone cringing dialogue "God sent me to give you a message, that message was to move your a**", decidedly low grade acting,and that doesnt add upto a show thats going to hit the numbers.
you can quote all the other drossy shows that survive as much as you like, the fact is they pull the numbers
the biggest disappointment for me, is it shows just how limited Dushku's range is, I always thought she was a smart reasonable actress, but either its because she doesnt have a clue what she is supposed to be doing because the show is such a mess or she really cant act beyond good Faith/bad Faith personas.
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Amen. Pretty much my point about the show. Unfortunately some diheards can't see beyond their own computer monitor and realize that this schlock has probably forever destroyed any chance at a Faith show that should have been developed instead of this. Methinks had Joss and crew given the fans what they wanted, instead of this Dushku vanity piece (of shit), they would have hit better numbers. -J.
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Missed the part where I was wrong about Dollhouse not airing in November. :) -J.
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He fired Charisma Carpenter for being pregnant, screw him. I liked Serenity and loooooved ANGEL, but since he's suck a diq I'm not too sad serenity and firefly bit the dust. Nice to see Boreanaz on Bones (5th season already? Wow!) and Morena Baccarin on V; they're able to get work still.
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You should use more qualifiers next time, then you wouldn't be so wrong. Cause now, when they air a Dollhouse ep in November, you'll be even more wrong.
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This show is dead dude, all the trades are saying the same thing. Even Whedon knows it and is quoted (I paraphrase) as saying "13th Hour" (the SERIES finale) is being penned with closure in mind. What stage of denial are you in at this point? ;) -J.
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that I did not argue with in the first place. I didn't say I thought it would get a back nine or a 3rd season. You are the one dealing in absolutes, not me. That is why you are wrong so much.
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And the only thing I've been "wrong" about was Dollhouse's 2nd seaspn pick up. Althogh, even then, I said even if it did get picked up it wouldn't last until Spring. And it appears I will be right about that as well. It ain't rocket science, the show's numbers are atrocious, and its second season renewal caught even industry insiders by surprise. Don't expect lightning to strike twice though. -J.
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i'm disappointed. You see, when you said: "If you can best me, bring it on with your own original writing samples" I thought you meant ORIGINAL. FUCK media messiah--thats NOT A GOD DAMN WRITING SAMPLE, AND ITS NOT ORIGINAL! You say wrote scripts ten years ago--why the fuck can't you share a sample of your ORIGNAL writing??? I went to school with many writers, and there was NOT ONE writer who did not have something they had written in the past to show. If you've been writing for ten years, then you have NO EXCUSE for not being able to provide an original sample of writing. an OUTLINE IS NOT A FUCKING WRITING SAMPLE! If you want to be judged as a writer, SHARE FUCKING PROSE, or dialogue or anything other than an outline with someone elses ideas serving as the foundation. You're such a fucking tool.
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a faith show would suck. faith is a one note character and more of a caricature than a character that can carry a show. What the fuck is five by five anyways???
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speculation & absolutes, I think that's why you're always wrong. And unlike you, I don't expect anything. That's why I am pleasantly surprised or a wee bit disappointed instead of wrong like you.
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The "Five by Five" comes from military radio operators who used the phrase to tell the person they were talking to how well they were coming in. There was a five point scale in two categories, strength of signal and clarity of transmission. A strong, clear signal was coming in "Five by Five", lesser signals would be judged with lesser numbers. Radio operators and other servicemen picked up the phrase to represent generally good circumstances. So when Faith says everything is "Five by Five", things must be, by her standards at least, going great.
See, you can probaly speculate that Faith came across this knowledge by the probabilty or liklihood that she's either an army brat or she boned a lot of pilots but you can't say that any of those things happened (or are going to happen) absolutely or else you'd be wrong. -
The reason I hated it was that the show seemed to imply that it means nothing--one time it came up in conversation on the show and it made it so und like it was gibberish. They should have thrown that explanation in. But i don't like the character--like coming in and already calling buffy 'B' in her first episode. She's a GREAT minor character and given several episode story arcs, but i just don't see myself liking her enough for her to be the main character. Now, you throw in the military background thing and my interest grows... this is just my opinion--i'm not saying it can't be done, and if anyone could pull it off it would be whedon... but regardless of how good or bad dollhouse is now, i would have taken my chances on a new and orignal show... although don't think i would have cast dushku as the lead.
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...goddamn, I sure do wish it would get a third season...not so much because I like it but because then I could glory in the collective sound of the head of every lame-ass Whedon hater on these threads exploding. That would be nice.
And by the way, gloating about anything that is reasonably unavoidable, such as the cancellation of Dollhouse, reveals the kind of ball-less intellectual midgets you really are... -
...since Whedon shows don't generally feel the need to hold viewers' hands and explain every damn bit of narrative...unlike most of the rest of the popular dreck on television.
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i don't think people talk trash on the show because they hate whedon. I think they do it because the show gets the attention and talkbacks because of herc's obsession with whedon when o ther shows are better and deserve talkbacks. For instance, last year i was furious the packers didn't take favre back. Then what ended up happening was the packers blogs were taken over by losers who refuse to let go about brett favre and ruin the blogs with their idiot logic and obsessive praise for favre. these so called packer fans also relish in the packers losing because they feel it is proof favre would have done better, which wasn't true. So, as this grew and grew I started to hate favre more and more because i wanted favre to do terrible to shut up those idiots. Its the same here--herc is apparently a guy who has his job because you'd think he knows alot about tv. but he ignores quality and has an appalling bias for whedon... i like whedon, but hercs obsession with him makes me hope a little bit that this show gets cancelled which would be evidence that the show didn't deserve the attention it gets here. a prime example of his bias is by creating a talkback saying: "ALL EPISODES OF DOLLHOUSE WIL AIR!!!(exclamation points)" Since WHEN has it become breaking news that all the episodes filmed will air??? Do we hear that about smallville, supernatural, and tons of others??? If its so damn good and deserves the attention given to it, it is a joke that herc puts a spin on it and makes it seem like a victory that a show will air its remaining episodes... that's a sign of a bad show, not a sign that it is going to turn into an awesome weekly hit.
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...was lost thanks to a computer crash. Now, I have written new material since, but I am not posting any of that material. Oh, and my writing, that I posted is original. I specialize in dialogue. It is the best things that I do, actually. But, I just don't wish to share that stuff. I might wish to use it later.
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This is a story that Herc picked up from the Trades - in this case the Hollywood Reporter, which he links to in the article & has the almost exact same wording - so he's not just pulling stuff out of his ass. You can say he's being selective if you'd like but he's allowed to do that in his own column. Just because we come to his column to post, doesn't make us "deserve" anything. Other than Herc's understated scorn & occasional undie shot.
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you are WAY ahead of yourself. Its a fucking excerpt... you're way too paranoid. Get over yourself and post an out of context excerpt of dialogue or whatever. If you refuse, then STOP FUCKING CHALLENGING people to writing duels. and stop telling people to PUT UP OR SHUT UP when you're not willing to put up ANYTHING that shows REAL writing. Your outlines and treatments are NOT examples that show your writing skills. They show your IDEAS, but NOTHING that shows you are anything more than an ideas man. I'm working on a novel and was MORE than willing to put up an out of context excerpt. If you have NO excerpts to share, you cannot expect anyone to give you respect as a writer. Get over yourself and, in your words, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
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i didn't mean to say anything about what we deserve. I meant there are SHOWS that deserve better. And you're misunderstanding my point--its that people may be bashing whedon more because of how herc blows him... its just a theory and should only be taken as such. Also, I meant to say that its a little funny that this is such great news for dollhouse--there's LOTS of shows that will air all their all there episodes, except that's not news... its what happens to decent shows, and its e expected. Good news for dollhouse would be fox picking up more episodes for this season, or bringing it back before season three. This seems like good news, but only because the show is not doing well and at this point everyone has low expectations for the future of the show.
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...with dialogue.
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to you but it *is* good news if you like the show. But yeah, it's all relative. If you don't like the show, the news is uninteresting or undeserved. Again, it kinda feels like you want things catered to how you would like them because of things you feel are not news and those you feel are news ... when all there is is just "news". Or am I misunderstanding things again & you just want more news variaty in general?
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....and yet you have failed to indicate exactly what I was "wrong" about, lol. Go figure. -J.
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I might be doing awful trying to get what I mean clear. First, I have NO problem with this being news. And it IS news. And I would like to see the show continue... to make another football analogy (nfl's got me in football mode) its like giving a quarterback time to make a throw. If the offensive line protects the quarterback long enough, recievers will get open and the qb has a good chance of making a big play. That's how I see whedon. Season one of buffy didn't wow me at all, but I kept with it because of what i've read here, and glad i did. Even angel season one was good, but not as great as everyone made it sound... again, glad i stuck with it. It just seems to me that if you keep giving whedon time, eventually he's gonna come up huge. I was moreso making a comment about what the state of the show is--if this is great news (which i'm not saying it isn't) it just says something about its status--we cross our fingers for episodes that have been filmed to air... but what i really wanted to point out was that guy who attacked the whedon haters. I can't say i've seen alot of talkbackers come out as whedon haters... what i have seen is people who give herc a hard time for giving dollhouse so much attention just cause its whedon. Say what you will, but herc has been putting himself in the position to be scrutinized based upon his clear bias / devotion / loyalty to whedon / fan of whedon. I've seen many people who want other talkbacks and get frustrated that dollhouse gets all these talkbacks just because its whedon. You could put me in both camp to a certain extent.
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i LOVE what herc has done when it comes to the ratings talkbacks. I really do. Its interesting to see how shows are doing, and it gives us a place to talk about other shows... this past week there was good smallville talk, and that's great... people wanted to talk smallville and herc gave us a talkback to do so. Its a HUGE improvement over being stone walled and forced to use dollhouse talkback to talk supernatural. This works great for smallville, but not as great for supernatural... i think many of us supernatural fans seem to care more about getting talkbackers to give it a chance and we don't want to spoil what it becomes, because it becomes so great. I gave battlestar galactica a chance purely because I saw it getting weekly talkbacks. To not spoil myself, I didn't go into those talkbacks until I caught up. You expect spoilers in talkbacks for specific shows, but people who we try to convince to watch the show might get accidentally spoiled. Maybe we could all start telling e veryone to give spoiler warnings in the supernatural ratings talkbacks... it wouldn't be hard and we might be able to have some great conversation about it.
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failing to indicate to you about where you were wrong. [This is fun!]
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"The Smoker"
Written By Media Messiah 10-14-09
Bus Stop...Ext.--Night
A young woman, approximately 30 years old, sits awaiting a slow to arrive bus on the damp streets of this unincorporated east coast city. The name, era, and place, are unimportant, as this could be anywhere, anytime, in the last quarter century. Fidgeting with her long, colored fingernails, the young woman taps-out a timed beat, literally counting the seconds 'til the arrival of the bus. Her eye-popping nails, unintentionally serve as a marked contrast to the light gray hoody, and faded blue jeans that she wears. Still-- there remains a single commonality between the 3 artifacts...as each would suggest that she hails from a simple background. Something that her Versace purse knock-off would instantly confirm to any discriminating onlooker.
Crossing the street, a lone man, approximately 35, to 40 years of age, joins her at the bus stop--sitting down on the bus bench, just adjacent to her position. He is wearing a simple black jacket, and sweat pants...of the same color. His head, covered with a black skull cap, only a wisp of his curly blond hair can be seen...as it snakes past, and behind, his right ear. He takes a drag off a short cigarette butt, before tossing it on the wet pavement below his sneaker clad feet--expensive sneakers, the young woman quickly notes, with a glance of her eyes.
Smoker: Fresh rain? (he beckons the female...who is sitting at his right)
Female: Just a lite shower. It stopped about 20 minutes ago. If it wasn't for my umbrella here, I'd be soaking wet...right about now.
She gestures to her umbrella, which is leaning against her left hip. Raising her right hand, she slightly brushes her brown hair with a single stroke.
Smoker: You got a smoke? (clearing his throat with the stumbling growl of an ironically placed coughing spat)
Female: No, I don't smoke--sorry! (beat) I gave it up about a year ago, along with my other bad habits--like drinking coffee, and my ex.
Smoker: Good for you. (beat) What bus are you waitin' for? (his clean-cut good looks, just as handsome as his inviting voice)
Female: The number 1...to the South Hamptons.
Smoker: Pretty ritzy place?
Female: Yeah, I just got a job there, working late nights...at a coffee house. The pay is low, but I get good tips.
Smoker: The South Hamptons? (beat) Say--that's been in the news lately? The police think they have a serial killer working the area?
Female: Yeah, I heard. Kinda creepy, huh?
Smoker: Hhhhhhmmmmm?
Looking west, the handsome man notices a bus as it turns up the street, and heads their way.
Smoker (cont.): The number 2 bus? That'll be...mine! (beat) Gotta go!
He stands up and walks forward at a deliberately slow pace, as he approaches the edge of the sidewalk.
Smoker (cont.--his back turned, to the female, he speaks once more): About that serial killer, they say he always dresses...all in black--a clean-cut friendly type, you know? (beat) He has a curious M.O., though.
Female: Oh, and what is that? (suddenly appearing anxious)
Smoker: He only kills people who he shares a cigarette with? Funny thing, huh?
He pauses just short of the bus, as it parks before him. Searching his pockets, he pulls a lighter out of his jacket, and coolly flix it, sparking a low flame. Slightly turning to make eye contact with the young woman, he issues her...the glimmer of a knowing smirk.
Smoker (cont.): Have a nice night--now.
The doors of the bus open...and methodically, the young man boards the bus, almost seemingly, a man on a mission. Directing his eyes at the bus driver, he betches a simple request.
Smoker: You got a smoke?
Driver: Yeah--sure thing. The driver reaches into the left breast pocket of his shirt, as he begins to drive-off.
The young woman's eyes sweep along the bus windows. In seconds, she can see that the Smoker and the driver are the only two souls aboard the bus. A look of fear instantly washes over her face. Death had just past her by, she knew. Opening her purse, she pulls a lighter out, followed by a cigarette. Promptly, she lights-up.
Female: I hate smoking with strangers.
Quickly, she takes a drag from the cigarette in her now shaking hands, before learning back upon the bus bench, as she exhales. Filling her lungs with air, she speaks.
Female (cont.): I really need to give these things up.
Her eyes focus on a nearby trash can, sitting to her right--and then, back to the cigarette.
Female: Maybe, tomorrow. (beat) For now, I think I deserve a treat?
We see the number 1 bus turn onto the street, and begin its approach toward the bus stop.
Fade To Black
The End
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Dollhouse is just a losing proposition
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To much bandwidth is devoted to this dead show. -J.
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http://foxflash.com/div.php/main/page?aID=1z2z1z25z1z8&ID=5342
FOX Friday is all-new this November with four fresh episodes of BROTHERS, ‘TIL DEATH and DOLLHOUSE, including the introduction of Summer Glau who joins the cast of DOLLHOUSE in a recurring role.
Summary spoilers in the release. Read at your own risk. -
...oh, wait a minute....
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Oct 15, 2009 8:27:01 AM CDT
"dollhouse gets all these talkbacks just because its whedon."
by big jim
I don't think that's the case. I think Herc genuinely loves this show and that's the reason why it gets one every week. Whedon has nothing to do with Mad Men or SNL yet they too get weekly TBs.
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'Dollhouse' scheduled through sweeps
Looks like Fox will stick with their Friday lineup through November sweeps... episode descriptions below...
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/dollhouse-scheduled-through-sweeps.html
FOX issued its press release for November Sweeps and Dollhouse (and Brothers and ‘Till Death) was included in the announcement. While this isn’t set in stone, given all the “will they/won’t they” air Dollhouse during November sweeps, it appears that at least for now, the answer is officially “they will”.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/15/foxs-november-sweeps-schedule-dollhouse-is-on-it/30516
Fox is making some news with its confidence that it will go through the fall with no cancellations. And it’s released it’s November “sweeps” calendar which includes Dollhouse, Brothers and ‘Til Death to back it up.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/15/no-cancellations-for-fox-this-fall-could-that-goad-cbs-into-keeping-three-rivers-alive-till-january/30532
Schedule so far:
* 10/23 - Belonging ep 4
* 10/30 - The Public Eye ep 5
* 11/06 - The Left Hand ep 6
* 11/13 - Meet Jane Doe ep 7
* 11/20 - A Love Supreme ep 8
* 11/27 - unknown
* 12/04 - unknown
* 12/11 - unknown
* 12/18 - new episode
* 12/25 - two Dollhouse reruns
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Apoligize for the cut off; formatting fuck-up. Here's the rest:
* 12/18 - new episode [Rumour birdie told me; not confirmed yet]
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I held up my end and posted my work, but, all the naysayers, those who claimed they would answer my challenge, even under the terms of ther rules, have vanished once again, I see?
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I wanted to make that perfectly clear.
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Time will tell. (But the show is still DOA in any case scenario after the 13 eps, regardless of when they air, barring of course some miraculously huge increase in ratings). -J.
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Thought you scamperd after I *smacked* you on the nose with those press releases. You are a tenacious puppy, I`ll give you that :)
You are right in that time will tell (you're learning! I'm so proud to take all the credit) but I will even go one further than you, without qualifiers:
"Dollhouse won't get a back 9 OR a 3rd season 13 ep order, no matter what the ratings are."
Little bit of a Catch-22 there though, because even if I'm wrong - like you are so often are - about the above statement, I still win.
You come see me in the Nov. 6th Dollhouse TB, ya hear?
PS:
I'm kinda glad that we turned our one-upmanship into something competitive rather than strictly name calling. It's kinda sad but at least we aren't writting outlines to each other :D
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