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Roland Emmerich Says INDEPENDENCE DAY 2 A No-Go Without Will Smith!
Beaks here...
Roland Emmerich wants to make INDEPENDENCE DAY 2. Fox honcho Tom Rothman wants to make INDEPENDENCE DAY 2. So what's the hold up?
Will Smith's gross points.
In an exclusive interview with Latino Review's Kellvin Chavez, Emmerich (who's currently making the press rounds for 2012: TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION) suggests that ID4 2 probably would've been made by now had Fox been willing to peel off a percentage of the sequel's gross to the world's biggest movie star. Fox, however, would rather proceed without Will - which is a big ol' deal breaker for Emmerich.
As for whether Will has any interest in revisiting his first mega-blockbuster (ID4 made $817 million worldwide in 1996), that is unknown. My guess is he'd rather star in something he's personally developed via his production company Overbrook Entertainment - like HANCOCK 2.
For more ID4 2 news, head on over to Latino Review. According to Emmerich, he's got a "very really good great" story for the sequel. Can't argue with that kind of conviction!
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Stay away Will!
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...you did NOT shoot that green shit at me! (And by green shit I, of course, mean money.)
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Note to Emmerich: try some ADR for the Fresh Prince next time.
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Let's kick the tires and light the fires.
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Roland Emmerich or Micheal Bay?
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I have a few great ideas running around my head, Smith is a close Friend perhaps i should try and pursuade him to sign on?
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...we didn't ask for a sequel.
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Where oh where would the comic relief come from?
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ID4 didn't even have a plot.
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and he told 'ol Pill Lo that he was down with working with you. I'll tell him you're ready to rock n' roll.
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Apologize Gorgomel!
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Fox and Smith
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I will not watcheds Independance Day 2. I saw the first Independance Day 1 and did not connect with it on a visceral level. I am alls about the visceral level when it comes to movies. Many envy me for being able to have a visceral feeling.When someone says to me "Ah, buts Independance Day 1 was fun!" I say "Ah, but there was no visceral feeling in Independance Day 1". I do not go to movies to have 'fun'. I go for the visceral feeling.It is all about the visceral feeling in the end.Someone asked me once what i meant by this and i did not answer. I am too clever to answer this question. People who are clever tend to have a visceral connection to movies.
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Would have been cool about 10 years ago, but now, who cares?
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going right on my fridge next to miss south carolina's. Otherwise, has anyone spoken to Randy Quaid about this flick. Sure you could right him back in somehow...I wonder if his busy schedule would even allow?
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I’ll ask him if he wants to do ID2.…
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Independence Day sucked(as well as every other film he has ever made)Emmerich is a hack that makes video games and calls them movies.
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start the paperwork....cos ID2 is ON BIOTCHES!!!!! *punches air*
he wants $40m upfront, 40% of the gross and 10 G5s
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And that visceral feeling involves my mouth filling with spit as my stomach begins to heave.
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Funny
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LABOR DAY!!!! or simplified LD:TFMIS (or Labor Day: The First Monday In September)
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Oct 12, 2009 2:36:31 PM CDT
id4 is the most dated, dumb piece of crap ive ever seen
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
awful movie that does not need a sequel.
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ID42>Hand+cock2. Don't need smith or emmerich to make ID4 2 Mr. Fox executive. In fact you would be MUCH better off without the 2 of them. I would actually have more respect for the prospect if neother of them were involved.
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...not for saving the planet. Fuck that.
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He destroys everything he is in. The last time I checked, he and Jada Pinkett Smth were standing in a red carpet line bad mouthing Indedpendence Day led by Jada, with Will knodding and agreeing. Forget Will Smith and move on without him.
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Aww Hell Nah, indeed.
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Good job sounding like the drippy whore himself.
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Or, as it was rumored to be called online back in the late 90's, "ID4 Ever"...Thank Christ that was only an internet rumor...or was it?
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last thing world needs is more Will Smith.
or more Emmerich.
or more ID4.
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I've been staring at that faded out crap for years. Heck, I'm staring at it as I type this!
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But at least Jett seems to be in on the joke. Unfortunately, the "Crown of the Pharaohs" or whatever bullshit he came up with for Indy 4 was better than KocS...
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And also 70 % of the footage shot for Phantom Menace is blurry and John Travolta and Sam Jackson will star in an American remake of The Killer.
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Oct 12, 2009 2:46:26 PM CDT
Beaks what is it whith you and Roland Emmerich articles?
by robots in das guys
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"I've gotta cawl my mothwer!"
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Judd Hirsch
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Exactly. I've never liked any of his films. I quit after "The Day After Tomorrow". Will Smith *should* demand a big paycheque to appear in an Emmerich schlockfest. I hope Will Smith just focuses on Hancock II with a better story than the first. I think there is potential for that character.
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if there ever was a "Remake" of the Killer that A. had a american cast and B. did not star Chow Yun Fat I swear I would proliferate A Nuculear device and Wipe Hollywood off the map.
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I recall in the late 90s the proposed sequel idea being kind of a remake of Fantastic Voyage, with the heroes being shrunk down and injected into the President (Bill Pullman) to find some kind of virus that the aliens somehow put inside him. What a lame plot idea. Innerspace already did it.
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The only type of movie he likes to do is disaster films, and the best part of these movies is the over the top FX-laden disaster scenes. The rest of it (plot, characters, dialogue, etc.) is just plain awful.
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That post is fucking hysterical. I damn near did a spit-take.
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That does indeed sound lame. Even for the 90's.
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Emmerich movies I would say I like. Probably has more to do with the fact that the aren't total schlock fests (even though they do have some campy momements), and both have excellent soundtracks.
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He's a white.
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Fuck Will Smith? Every movie he's made, even Men in Black II, has made money. I'd say, fuck Media Messiah.
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I really like that film and it doesn't feel like an Emmerich movie at all. Why can't he make more like that one?
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I don't know where the poster above got that information, but i had no involvement with mars attacks, Tim Burton is a friend but i hadn't even met him at the time of Mars attacks. I met him in 2001 when i did some design work for his proposed Dark Knight retuns film...shame that never came to pass, Keaton looked great in the makeup and suit we submitted
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That moment for me was the end as if the rest of the world is sitting around waiting on America to save the day, fuck off
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Vance shows up at a Tea Party rally and is mistaken for the President. Hilarity ensues, cue wacky Benny Hill music.
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isn't prepared to suck the satanic cock of Rothman and Murdock who have roughly the same level of respect that a puppy fucking pedophile have to movie fans. Just a thought...
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when Danny Elman comes over to his house and they play Guitar Hero together. It's magical!
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Genius. The best thing about your presence in talkbacks is that the real AssLives can't show up in them without becoming a laughing-stock.
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That's hilarious. The first Hancock doesn't exactly equate to the success of ID4, and yet he'd rather do a sequel to it. Personally I'd rather get another Men in Black than sequels to ID4 OR Hancock.
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to fight the aliens, it doesn't get any more heavy handed than that. Maybe in ID4..2 we'll see Hannity and Olberman join forces.
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Pay Smith his cut (which he is worth, because it will make significantly less money without him) and make a shit ton of money, or don't pay him his cut, and make no money because it won't even get made without him. That decision ins't a decision at all for a company interested in making money. Too bad Fox is only interested in making shit movies that don't make money. Strange.
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Oy gevault, we'll drive to the white house, you know!
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I think they were Iraqis. The Palestinians don't have an air force. Not that it makes it any less heavy-handed.
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They'll get Cuba Gooding Jr instead and hire Marcus Nispel to direct.
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But then again being an Emmerich film, I might be right.
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Not sure. I think actors usually show up wherever the money can be made.
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How about Twister 2? Or Emmerich's Godzilla pt. 2 this time with more Matthew Broderick nerd action.
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Stays home, without pants on and smokes a cigar in a big, leather chair. The movie will last 5 minutes.
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and tell Emmerich to go fuck off with a second Independence Day bullshit movie.
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Fuck Roland Emmerich up his fucking ass.
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Fuq smith, my fave father/son duo in an alien invasion are the best part of that movie. Judd Hirsch is the coolest dad ever; he's had both Jeff Goldblum and River Phoenix come from his balls in movies.
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You know, the television station gy that gets wiped out by the fire cloud?
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Update the popular NBC television "franchise" from the early 90's and let Judd Hirsch play his dad. Box office gold doesn't get any easier to predict than this.
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Catchy nick you got there.
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Or did you clap?
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You guys are a riot. Keep it coming.
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but as days go by, and films roll, it's more and more clear to me that Emmerich is closer in spirit to Verhoeven than to hacks like Bay or Ratner. Emmerich is a hooligan, and he's the modern Cecil B. de Mille: making "bad" movies you NEED to see.
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We can show the first one was all a dream sequence, have a serious film instead and not have Smith's silly cowboy character.
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Thankyou. I am connected to my nick on a visceral level.He is dead by the way. Do not argue with me for i am always right and will post another 112 times to tell you this if needs bee. You are wrong and i am right. It is a bit like i am Christopher Nolan and you are Jar Jar Abrams. Do you see?
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Oct 12, 2009 3:44:18 PM CDT
Jett is a designer/writer/producer that dines with celebrities
by badmrwonka
in his fantasy world.the best part about this loony, is that he completely ignores anyone calling him out. it's fucking priceless. he'll say, "I just had dinner with Chevy Chase last night, I talked to him about etc. etc.", and someone will point out that Chevy Chase is in vacation in Italy, or something, and even though he's been caught in an outright lie (as opposed to ridiculous assertions that we all KNOW are lies, but can't specifically prove), he completely ignores it and moves on. AND YET, when someone writes, "Jett wrote MArs Attacks!!!" he ACTUALLY RESPONDS AS THOUGH THIS IS A REAL BACK AND FORTH! "oh, no sir, actually I had nothing to do with Mars Attacks."he rides this fine line between "obvious joke" and "might actually think people believe him"...it's fucking amazing. I am fascinated by people who's personal lives are that pathetic that this is what they have to resort to for attention. aren't you guys fascinated by this guy?
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of the list of "Hardly mediocre shit that we COULD do a sequel to." It's the end of this debate as we know it, and I feeeeellll fiiiiiinnnne!
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it's more like a sudden urge to shoot the next guy I meet who has a "claim to fame."
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That never really made sense to me... I get that the holiday is July 4th, but that doesn't mean 'ID4' makes sense. I'm sure this is a dumb question, someone please enlighten me...
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... I'm rather more fascinated by your deconstruction of JettL93, than by JettL93 himself {;-p
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How could you have missed these seminal classics of sci-fi?! ID3 was the best of the original trilogy by far, IMO!
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or the patience it takes to keep the joke up for this long without missing a single beat.hell, I was impressed by the Fuck Michael Bay guy, but this is much more involved. that's the irony of internet anonymity for you. JettL93 could be the next Andy Kaufman, or he could be the saddest, most pathetic talkbacker stereotype ever, staring at the screen through a cloud of cheeto dust and truly believing his convincing people he's a hollywood insider that has dinner with Will Smith.I"m telling you, there would be a good dissertation in sociology to be written by spending a year in these talkbacks.
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dang.
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double dang.
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Oh Christ. You just know they're going to make a fucking IMAX prequel and call it I3D...
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toiling away in the basement of Area 51!
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If memory serves, every major city was destroyed. Are the aliens gunning for the biggest ball of twine this time? Perhaps Mall of America?
ID4 was a piece of crap - as is every Ememrich film. Complete, utter, unadulterated, ridiculous crap.
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It's "Independence Day"...right? Why is the 4 in the title when it's abbreviated? I've always wondered that.
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Take out all the mid-90's cheese and you've got a badass alien warfare pic. I don't care if Will Smith is in it, however as long as Jeff Goldblum and the Jew Crew return with their zany antics.
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But don't get stupid and put Jaden Smith in it.
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independence day is the _ of July.
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Independence day = July 4th
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Terrible, terrible film. 'V' remade as a mash-up of an Irwin Allen 70s disaster movie and a really crappy TV movie of the week.
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quote on
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Check out his fucking apartment??? http://tinyurl.com/6jhgok
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That's exactly what Roland Emmerich is. Still, at least it's one step up from being The Spawn of Satan's Loins, which is what Michael Bay is.
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Using the same cast. And you will see all of them have gotten older except William Smith? And make fat ass Pullman wear the same wardobe so his suit is all tight and small.
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Harvey Fierstien ftw.Is it true that in U.S theatres people cheered when, as millions of people were being incinerated by the aliens, Will Smiths dog survived?
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Stuffy snobs.
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Tell Will 'The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air' movie is long overdue! ;)
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.....starring the re-animated corpse of Harry Conik Jr with alien DNA back to exact revenge on Earth.
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it had great actors, but those actors were working with a really well written script.
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His greed is the one thing preventing yet another terrible movie from going into production. They gave the alien mothership a computer virus, folks! From an IBM! It's really stupid!
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Let's see if what we come up with is better than Emmerich's really good great ideas...
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big willie style.
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Ha! It was a Mac! Which is.... much... smarter...
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You're right, it's brilliant!
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Love Theme by Whitney Houston.
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Oct 12, 2009 4:49:33 PM CDT
Maybe Macs were reverse engineered from technology
by fa_tass_dinomolester
taken from the alien ship in the '40's!
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Can't say it's all quite to my taste, but kudos nonetheless.
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No Loggia, no movie. There, I said it.
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I want more alien footage this time. Scarier, more intense, bring it big Willy!! http://sickpicks.blogspot.com/
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And the damn thing still made a gazillion fucking dollars. I bet most of you guys talking shit about this movie were at the midnight showing and talking about how cool all that shit getting blown up was.
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A virus that shuts down forcefields AND shows a laughing skull on the alien ships display thingie. Becouse "you're a genius!" jewish daddy said "put on a sweater, you'll geta VIRUS" Fucking awesome. A PC virus would've been simply stupid, but that 8 bit skull and the "put on a sweater" scene... that made it visceral.
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Love that title.
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...pretentious and self-important homo pedophile defending liberal Hollywood pond scum, I actually enjoyed ID4 as a fun homage to a time when movies didn't have to take themselves so fucking seriously to be good.
That said, I'm not sure there's a story left after the first film. I mean, unless this will be a full blown sci-fi sequel wherein Earth is now a united planet that's been exploring space and shit, then what's the point?
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BLOWING UP THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD! Watch as every major landmark gets destroyed! See the endless special effects as millions are massacred! Cities will meet their end in this three hour film that has characters and story tacked on as an afterthought! See it all through Jizz-o-Vision as every reel is soaked in Emmerich's seed!
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Oct 12, 2009 5:12:04 PM CDT
Get Will and Jeff involved and make this fucker NOW!!!
by performingmonkey
It's a real no-brainer. If Will wants a lot of money just give it to him, the studio will DEFINITELY make it back and then some. Will is worth that money for a reason, he is a huge draw, and that's without the even bigger draw of him coming back for a HUGE sequel that will kick everyone's ass into next week. I loved ID4. If the sequel story is set to go WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR???
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Oct 12, 2009 5:18:33 PM CDT
SMITH: "WHY DOES THE SCRIPT SAY 'WELCOME TO EARTH'?"
by bringingsexyback
Emmerich: "Sorry that's a typo. We'll fix it for you right away."
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Oct 12, 2009 5:18:56 PM CDT
ID 4 is the EPITOME of movies that you can watch OVER and over..
by blhotz
One of the few movies that you can watch multiple times a year and NEVER gets old... still looks good... oh wow, 13 years now (?!) later! MAKE A DAMN SEQUEL!!
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to be a serious film (in the same way TDK was "serious") it'd still be an irrelevant piece of shit. People aren't afraid of aliens anymore. It'd be like giving 'In the Heat of the Night' a sequel in 1980.
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You are correct. I was at the midnight screening. I also talked about how cool all that shit blowing up was.
But that was also 15 years ago. When I was a stupid 20 year old kid. In the last decade and a half I've had the opportunity to watch the movie again. And it sucks, regardless of how much money it made. -
...by overheating batteries in their alien MP3 players caused by an overload of Apple Corps tunes downloading through iTunes.Seriously, Shakespeare couldn't write anything better. Their ear buds will totally fucking implode too. Aww hell yeah!!
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this is great! AsslivesisDED--DO keep it up. You are if anything MORE believable and a more Coherent commentator that the Original, Oporto-based GoatHumper.
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No way I'm going to see this without him.Actually, there's probably no fucking way I'd sit through this movie anyway
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Latest! Now? what is the point exactly?
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For reminding me of the era when assholes would constantly post stupid comments on the message boards. Nice to know that some people are still keeping that tradition alive.
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Neither of us are Christopher Nolan (sadly) nor Jar Jar Abrams (thankfully). We are just a bunch of lil Asimovs. And Isaac Asimov lives eternal.
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Fuck Roland Emmerich up his fucking ass.
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two times!
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Emerich and my friends at FOX studios are tight lipped on the story. I'm really interested to see if they are just planning another invation movie or they have something else up their sleeves. I pitched my idea to emerich's people so who knows maybe i'll get the gig (as long as i can squeeze it in before Batman 3 goes into serious production)
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But you are right..Homos ar ok in my book..and I loves me some young shaved teen peaches...delicious.
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Awww Hell nah...not body thetans!
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Will has already made sequels to Bad Boys and Men in Black, and he's slated to do Hancock 2 and, weirdly an I Am Legend prequel, yet he won't do a sequel to the movie that actually made him an A-list movie star because they won't pay him enough! Now obviously, an ID4 sequel needs Will and Fox are stupid not to do a deal, but this makes it seem like Will is all about the money (cos he don't have enough already) and he does not care about his fans or the makers of that movie that made him a star. Lame all round.
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He's the one that wears the nintendo power glove, quotes solid snake, and doesn't bother to practice personal hygiene, and wonders why he's considered the social leper. He's gonna pull a columbine or vtech any time soon.
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It's not like he's gonna be in a Star Trek project anytime soon, and they can always say they're using his human body as an alien vessel.
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than a broken toilet.
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he's just happy to hear his name being called out in the threads. Whenever JettL93 says anything your response should and might as well be "fnjdfndlja;ngfd;l."
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It's a very really good great idea to hold out for Will.. with him it would be big.. without.. well we know how well Emmerich's last projects have faired box office wise..
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the only thing worse than this idea is the idea's proposed title: "ID4EVER."
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AW HELL NAW! Fuck Fox, fuck them in their aids infected asshole, pay the nigga his damn money you fucking parasites.
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Thankyou Will Smith. Keep saying no, Emmerich will keep saying no, and we can all let out an appreciative sigh as Fox realise we don't gots ta get us some a thems. Whatever the hell that means.
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he said that Jetl93 is his assistant's 15 year old korean tranny love slave.
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It's no fucking contest. That's why I hated the first Independence day.
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this time they brought Kaspersky Antivirus and they're hungry for blood!
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on the same effing idea, we can get an ID 4 2.
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I didn't know you were a dead baby fetus?
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we all [now] know it and they know it too. That was a big fuck up.
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lets make a science fiction film for adults for once! hey try this one hollywood Author C. Clarks Rendevous with Rama......
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Um, WTF does that even mean?
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Oct 12, 2009 7:06:19 PM CDT
I remember watching this whilst on holiday in Florida
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
We were the only white people in the theater. The 'whooping' was quite substantial.
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Actually, I WAS there at the midnight showing...laughing my ass off at what a pretentious, amateurish, predictable lump of cold shit it was. And even better...
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Welcome back to earff'.
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Thank you for reminding me of drive-by posting douchebags who have zero skill, talent, or ability in self-expression in the written (and most likely any other) media.
Please, walk away from the screen, go tap your mom awake, and continue where you left off earlier, ass-raping her while your younger sister waits her turn.
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and without ROLAND EMMERICH. I think that would make for the best possible movie.
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for Will Smith.
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You are seriously underestimating Continentalop. Continue to do so at your own peril.
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was way the fuck better then ID4. ID4 was retarded. These creatures walk on their 3 toes and have tentacles. So they were able to build their massive ships using what? "Thas-wha I cala clos-encounder" The whole Randy Quaid character was made a dumb film even dumber.
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So are we to believe that "... ass-raping your mother while your younger sister waits her turn ..."
reflects "skill, talent or ability in self-expression in the written media"?
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. Cosmic Cow you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllly are stepping into it here. Shit.
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jett and the asimovs are frickin' hilarious
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...the other AICN Talkback fag nerds are warning me about one of their own!
Ooo! I'm sooo scared!!
Fuck the whole lot of you, and Cuntinentalop as well.
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I don't even know anymore!
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This place both confuses and amazes me.
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...with your skill in the written word. It is nice to see how a true MASTER does it.
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he gets called out over and over, and he just ignores it, then drops some perfectly calm, yet completely and insanely fallacious comment. it's fucking priceless!
Jett, you are fucking making my day with this hilarity. it tickles me pink that I can't figure out if you honestly think ANYONE here believes you (clinically delusional), or if you're just doing it all for laughs (comedy genius). -
Oct 12, 2009 8:22:05 PM CDT
DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU JETTL IS TELLING THE TRUTH?!?!?!?
by bringingsexyback
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would be a douche thing to do. Didn't ID4 make him a superstar?
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But won't commit to ID4 2?
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Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' sequel! Just remake it! Yeah! That and Godzilla too! More action! More explosions! More pointless babble! More lens flare! Crap, get JarJar Abrams to remake it! He's the "Super Genius(tm)" after all!
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You stupid motherfuckers.
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Wait...that was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull wasn't it? Insider my ass.
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I thought it was going without Will Smith.
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Oct 12, 2009 10:20:39 PM CDT
In ID4 2.. Cast Iggy Pop as an alien/human hybrid.
by scriptgirl_nipples
And Re-Cast Will Smith with Reginald VelJohnson. Storywise.. that fat fuck can't get in the plane no-more!
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Also don't forget to update docking codes at least once every parsec and don't let a 50 year old ship dock just willy nilly. (I like how the Mothership just accepts that at least half century old ship into its midst with no questions asked. It's like a 1959 Chevy pulling into a dealership with no one noticing.) Speaking of Willy, don't forget to scan each returning ship for non-alien life signs and/or primitive atomic explosives. Like plutonium won't show up on an alien x-ray machine? Oh yeah, and linking every ship to the Mothership is an extremely retarded idea, even for retarded Dean Devlin aliens. It would be like some terrorists blowing up the USS Nimitz and every battleship on Earth spontaneously blows up with it.
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...PLAYING TIRED ROLES ABOUT BUMS AND FUCKING THAT SMOKING HOT WIFE OF HIS.
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but I'd fuck her.
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Whoo! Lets run away from the falling building! The Movie!
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They both have about the same mix of super-coolness and eye-rolling badness.
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before ID4 came out, and then when the movie was huge, well, that shut those fuckers up.
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O'kay, possibly redundant question. But seriously. Having Will Smith onboard is practically guaranteed blockbuster success.
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Unless it's David Fincher doing it in IMAX 3D I'm not interested. There's no way the movie will match the experience of reading the books (at least the first one, which was so good I read all of them including the "same universe" cousin books from Gentry Lee... puke).
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That's what's missing with all of Emmerich's other disaster movies. ID4 knew how to have fun with itself and the conventions of it's genre. Godzilla, Day After Tomorrow and 2012 just come off as pretentious.
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Samuel Fulmer has completely fucking blown my mind, I never noticed that the background was a picture from Independence Day and I've been visiting this site for YEARS!
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Here's the new Fox reality show: Roland Emmerich vs Michael Bay. Same script, same budget, same actors. Who will pack more carnage and destruction into an 80 minute movie? Find out in the 3 hour season finale.
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Michael Bay would snort JR's own cocaine off JR's ass.
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He'd blow the shit out of the REAL White House.
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simply because he's a safe bet at the movies. All of his movies are at best, mediocre. This is why he'll continue to stay on top as the world's most famous actor. Because he doesn't pack any type of punch. He's the McDonald's of Acting. Doesn't taste great, but doesn't taste like pure shit either. End rant.
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he'll never win an Academy Award.
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Love ID4, but come on. And you guys make fun of Bay? Give me a break...
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Oct 12, 2009 11:26:08 PM CDT
I talked to Dean Devlin at comic-con a couple years ago.
by iamnicksaicnsn
He was promoting his world war I fighter pilot flick with ol' what's his name. Anyway, I asked him about ID4 2, just as a lark, and he said it was a definite one-off. I mean, I knew it wouldn't happen, but wanted to ask anyway just in case. That this is now happening, makes me have bad thoughts for the prospect of the movie.
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To sit through a few minutes of ID4 in the past 5 years or so? It's completely unwatchable.
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Watched it two weeks ago. Great fun that doesn't take itself seriously for a minute. It's pretty much a movie about alien invasion movies, and if you catch its vibe, just about the perfect popcorn movie. Certainly not a "film", though.
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Granted, he's the only one who made it "big" out of that film, but I always felt ID4 was a better team-effort than some actor's vehicle. Good ensemble cast if you think about it...right down to Adam Baldwin.
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the aliens settle their ship over JoBerg. turns out they are sick and have nowhere to go, so they set up a shanty ghetto on the out skirts of town. after gov funding runs dry and public outcry gets louder and louder our alien visitors are forced into an even worse sector and left to fend for themselves. One mans goals and beliefs are challenged when he is forced to see the other side of the coin.
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It just makes sense.
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Sorry people, it might be a fond Summer memory, but it is a piece of crap movie.
THE APPLE DUMPLING GANG was a fond memory for me as a kid, but I also realize it is a crappy movie. -
the paint dry on The White House in ID4? That's the REAL question.
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Get Shia Lebouf to play Will Smith's character.
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Everything Roland has done on his own BLOWS. He needs the Jew to make it work. ID4 was cool and to do a sequel he needs Devlin. (who is currently trapped in episodic hell)
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me ID4 as a birthday present. True story. I was and always have been.....an asshole. Point being....that movie sucked. Not over all but Randy Quaid and putting the president in a jet are just 2 of the biggest insults to my viewerdom. what does Quaid say..?..."In the words of my generation..UP YOURS!" fuck that scene.
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AGAIN!!!! - Randy Quaid ID4-2
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After spending a decade analyzing all of the the alien wreckage, they finally reverse engineer most of the technology. Included in the new technology is a way to remotely view unreachable parts of the galaxy, including the original home planet of the aliens. While humanity bickers over the rights to the technology, Jeff Goldblum discovers that the aliens are still alive on the home planet are plotting another invasion as retribution. Since they are 15 light years away, we have plenty of time to prepare. So Will Smith circles the globe recruiting all of the most talented children in the world as potential fighter pilots (including his own kid- against his wishes) for the anticipated war while they build space craft and fighters based on the new tech. After only 5 years discovers, Jeff Goldblum realizes that they the remote viewing capability occurs at the speed of light and the aliens are arriving- 10 years earlier than we expected them. Though we are not remotely prepared, we must fight now. After the aliens are kicking our asses and annihalating humanity, Goldblum and Smith use the alien technolgy to create an enormous holographic faux fighting force of thousands of attack ships to draw the alien forces away from earth long enough for them to, once again, infiltrate the mother ship with another super weapon (the final piece of alien tech) and destroy it (only this time they don't escape). THE END (and hopefully no more bad Will Smith movies. :)
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—say that ID4 was the movie that put him off going to the cinema?
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... but the world needs a sequal to it as much as it needs some nasty genetalia rash.
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You mean the shit head who's biggest job was working for Madonna?
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written by Darren Aronofsky. I'd pay to see that. It would be fun in the way that"Aliens" was fun.
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But I think if Stanley Kubrick picks you specifically to work on a project, you must have some talent.
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seen any good films lately?
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Can you imagine HIM working with Goldblum, Smith, etc. Fantastic.
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We discussed some major props and storyboard layouts with him on his new return to scifi. Turns out i got the pick for doing the art direction on it, i also called up James Cameron for some advice on doing that, looks like we'll be doing more physical things intead of utilizing CGI. I tried calling Lucas but there was this annoying as shit answering machine with lightsaber wooshing in the background and heavy breathing saying "Call back later, we are preparing the Endor trap."
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ok the aliens return for revenge but this we are prepares since we got their technology from their destroyed ships.but how can u develop that cliche story into a 2h movie? i dont know but lets see.
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…that was just…beautiful…
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come on, it didn't make any sense at all but was still fun. It's a very easy movie to break down but it was nice to see a positive movie about people working together despite their differences.
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He should do Alien. How can you not like him? Windowlicker and All is full of love were rare gems in an endless stream of shittty video clips.
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Great work guys, hilarious as always.
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did you enjoy this one ?
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Will Smith, has got to have some good material, and am sure Roland is permanently on acid.
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between the two talk backs, considering that, for all intents and purposes, Star Trek 09 and Independence Day are pretty much the same. Both were big, fun, successful summer blockbusters with hummable theme music, plenty of effects and 'splosions,and both sadly lacking in anything regarding logic. Have to say I enjoyed both for what they were, but honestly not much in it between the two.
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Not that they won't make a INDEPENDENCE DAY 2 without Will Smith, but thank God they're not making an INDEPENDENCE DAY 2. I still to this day cannot believe anybody likes INDEPENDENCE DAY, the first Emmerich picture. Has anyone seen Tim Burton's MARS ATTACKS? That movie was supposed to be a spoof of cliche'd old school sci fi films. The movie didn't exactly go over too well. And not because it wasn't a good picture. It didn't go over well because all the cliches were echoed like a year or too earlier in INDEPENDENCE DAY. Only they weren't meant to be funny at that time. INDEPENDENCE DAY was so laughably bad it essentually ruined Burton's spoof by unintentionally beating him to the punch. To use the stupid three letter acronym, ID4 was the most overrated film of the 90s with SCREAM coming in a distant second. The problem and the reason a sequel is even being discussed is all us idiots fell for the very effected marketing campaign. Please don't let it happen again and encourage the making of a second turd sandwich. I distinctly remember and regret sitting outside the theatre after me and my friends waited like three hours to see INDEPENDENCE DAY. Please save the children. Don't make that happen to them. Thank you. That is all.
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Oct 13, 2009 7:15:24 AM CDT
Actually, Mars Attacks came out after ID4
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
And it did badly because most people were morons who thought it was an Independence Day spoof.
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Sorry, misread your post
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so i dont see any problem why i shouldnt like it.correct?
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no doubt includes casting his children. Wait until his bud Tom Cruise picks up on this and starts pimping out his kids.
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and combine it with your other progressing stories.
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Oct 13, 2009 8:04:57 AM CDT
so me and Ro (that's Roland for you non-industry types)
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were shooting some hoops last night, and he says "you Pill Lo, whatcha think of casting Martin Lawrence as the President in ID4 sequel?"I said, "Ro, my man, I'm down with that. I'll have my people contact his people and set it in motion."I'll try and throw some work your way JettL.
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ID4 Aliens: They destroyed our first attack force.
Take the Planet out from Orbit, we ill mine out Jupiter instead.
It's the only way to be sure.
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When will they finally get around to doing the long-talked about CHILDHOOD'S END? The bullfight sequence alone, done right, never mind the rest of the fascinating story, would blow the audience's mind.
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They killed off Quaid and Harvey Fierstein. They got no movie. End of story.
Although ... hmm.
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Social Science Fiction. One of the most common tropes in SF is the "if Aliens came, mankind would drop its differences and come together." However, no one ever actually showed this. At best, it was "all Europe would pull together." ID4 actually showed the different races and nations of the world coming together. Almost every shot was composed multi-ethnically, such that it was clear this was the actual point. All things considered, this may be the most important "what if" in the history of the field. If the rest of the movie was light-weight, the iconography was stupendous. I'd waited my entire life to see a scene like Smith piloting that alien ship. I can understand if you don't "get it", but the little kid inside me was overwhelmed with joy, no shit.
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Oct 13, 2009 9:47:22 AM CDT
Well this is certainly sad, tragic, earth-shattering news.
by royston lodge
I don't know how I'll manage to make it through the day.
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Will Smith is also boring and an average actor.
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Ok here's my sequel idea. The humans have managed to build themselves a massive fleet of spaceships using the alien technology. They fly off to explore the universe and end up finding the aliens homeworld only they decide to get their own back on them by invading their planet.
The movie ends with Will Smith coming across the alien equivalent of the Statue of Liberty and, realising that humanity has become the very thing it fought against he hammers his fist down on the sand and yells "AAAAWWW HELL NAWWWW! YOU DONE BLOWN IT UP! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!" -
Oct 13, 2009 11:05:10 AM CDT
Rendez-vous with Rama is David Fincher's hunting grounds
by asimovlives
Nobody is allowed to touch Rendez-Vous With Rama and make a movie out of it other then David Fincher. Morgan Freeman and fincher own that movie-to-be.
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Finally we have something in common, our common hatred for that piece of shit ID4. I want to shake your hand on that.
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As a white man, i'd like to appologise for Roland Emmerich. And Michael Bay. And Jar Jar Abrams. And Renny Harlin. And... fucking hell, the list of white hacks is ENDLESS!!!!
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UP HIS STINKY POOP HOLE. FUCKING MIDGET MAN BENNY BUTTON WRINKLY ASS MAN.
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Or Orlando Jone. I understand that Will Smith is too busy working on his own biopic.
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Norton is the first thing I remove whenever someone asks me to fix their computer because "it's slow as shit."
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I never met anyone who didn't like ID4. I'l grant you, it's not exactly high art - but as ass-in-seat popcorn blockbuster entertainment, it is PERFECTION. All this, and Judd Hirsch too.
I fucking LOVED INDEPENDENCE DAY, and so did all of you. Lower your nerd cool deflector shields and come out of this particular closet. Where's the LOVE, people?? -
There's only about 10,000 actors of color who could do that part.
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Cast moovie stars in soap opera plots and add the danger and excitement of disaster. Instead of destroying intricate models, Emmerich does it all (almost all) digitally. Allen was a showman, Emmerich is a showman, nothing more nothing less.
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Don't see why so many people think that would make sense in a sequel. Hell, in the first movie, wasn't the government supposed to have had the crashed ship for about 50 years? And as I recall, they weren't able to do a damn thing with the tech. So considering that the mothership is now destroyed and the saucers are flaming pieces of trash, I don't see how that leaves the humans any better off than they were before.
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And use it as a metaphor for current events? OH WAIT! Hmm...what if the battle spills out into the streets of Los Angeles and it's like "Black Hawk Down"...oh they're making that one as well, huh? Okay, what if they disguise themselves as humans...almost years ago? What are you shitting me? What if you just make the same movie with Tom Cruise? They did that? That wasn't even really an idea. What about a small scale invasion pic set on a farm...a high school...the antarctic...THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING!
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I like the part where the saucer comes out of the clouds. That looked cool. I also liked the part where they shot missiles at the saucer and then all the little alien planes came out. ThAat looked cool too. But I can't exactly watch the whole movie these days. If I happen to see that Independence Day is on TV, I'll say "ooh, this is the part where something blows up." Then I'll watch the part where something blows up. Two minutes later, I'm switching to a different channel.
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...remember: "all the gadets and gizmos started working" at the beginning of the movie when the aliens returned. Hell, then Goldblum was able to hack into their system in no time. Apparently the aliens are smart enough to fly across the galaxy but too stupid to use a firewall. So we should be able to kick their asses again. And if they kill off Will Smith in the process, then we all benefit.
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because the arrival of the mothership fed power to the devices. I think at one point, the scientist says they "couldn't replicate the power source". So I was under the impression that the power was actually being supplied either by the mothership or by the big saucers. But the mothership is destroyed. No new technology to get from there. The giant saucers are also all destroyed. No new technology to get from there either. This means that the humans still should be unable to replicate the power source, and all of the small alien fighter planes ought to just turn off again since the power source on the larger ships got destroyed.
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I have a confession to make; this one time I took a poopy and it was more entertaining than ID4.
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who was the writing geniuses who thought creating a virus on a Mac to bring down the Mothership actually made sense?! Now if they were uploading Vista, they'd have something!
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enough Jews in ID4. The more Jews in the movie/tv show, the better it is. Everyone knows this. Hollywood is seriously suffering from a lack of Jew talent.
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I'd say we have too many Jews in comedy in American movies these days. Which is why an unfunny fuck like Seth Rogen, who can only play himself (grumpy foul-mouthed pot-smoking wise-ass becomes inexplicably irresistible to women throughout the movie, yet ends up learning NOTHING by the end) in EVERY FUCKING MOVIE HE DOES, has a career at all. Ditto Jonah Hill, Jesse Eisenberg (who we don't need because there's already a Michael Cera in the world), Chris Mintz-Plasse (he got boring by the end of SUPERBAD - I can't imagine seeing him play McLovin' in EVERY OTHER FUCKING MOVIE HE DOES) and all these other fucking (a) neurotic stuttering geek twats who get the girl at the end, or (b) fucking hairy fat useless slob potheads who are inexplciably attractive to women in these movies and are supposedly funy, to everyone EXCEPT the movie-going audience).
I'd say, since the halcyon days of ID4, where they were represented by decent character actors such as Judd Hirsch and Jeff Goldblum, Jews are getting a raw deal nowadays with all these shitty-ass one-note actors. Remember when actors could play WILDLY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, and play them WELL? Shit, even Woody Harrelson can do that - and he ain't the Shakespearean type. If I were a Jew these days, in Hollywood, I would bemoan the state of young Jewish actors, then start entreating Jeff Goldblum to have lots of kids. The Frat Pack aren't exactly great.
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The Jewish characters in ID4 were so great, I left the cinema almost wishing I were Jewish! Or at least that I were as cool as Goldblum and had a dad as cool as Hirsch.
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but i dont know how they are going to make a sequel of it.Unless Will Smith is the new USA president,the aliens come again to take their revenge,he watches them parking above the White House while he gets out of the house to get his newspaper,and he shouts: AAAWW HELL NAW,NOT AGAIN !!!!
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When the world is fallen apart. Show up and steal all the natural resources or whatever the fuck they wanted in the first one.
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Im still waiting for Mel Brooks to make "Jews in Space".
No such thing as too much of anything.
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wherever he goes...as corny as it is, THATS the best part of the movie.
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Meet me and everybody i know. We fucking hate ID4.
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but it helps.
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But there was a panache to Irwin Allen that Emmerich lacks. Even in making destructionthon movies there's an art to it, a touch to it that Emmerich lacks.
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Ah, THAT'S unfair. You can't say that state-of-the-art destruction in ID4 isn't absolutely beautiful! The destruction of New York... The shots of the motherships going down all over the world... The White House oging up in flames... You CANNOT say those sequences weren't performed absolutely perfectly.
ID4 is hokey fun. It's a million miles away from 2001 and SILENT RUNNING, all these worthy SF flicks - it's MEANT to be a fun ride that sells toys and makes everything go SHRAKATAKABOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!! and keeps you breathless in your seat until Big Willy says "Aw HEEEELLLLLL YEEEEEAHH!" and you can all go home. Like a previous TBer said, it speaks to the 8 year old in you - AND NO-ONE ELSE.
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Oct 13, 2009 2:58:06 PM CDT
Astrophysician Dr Lawrence Krauss of The Science Of Star Trek
by asimovlives
wrote a book about movie physics,and about ID4 he calculated that the impact energy released from the "smaller" alien ships that hovered the cities, at impact woudl release so much energy it wopuld be like the impact of big asteroids on Earth, all happening simultaneously at different parts of the globe, meaning, a global catastrofe so big it would be equivalent of the impact of the asteroid that exterminated the dinosaurs. It means that the victory of the humans and their downing of the "smaller" ships would actually spell to mankind and all living organisms on Earth. Think about that. The independence day stops being such an happy ocasion, after all.The same book also says that with the mothership, 1/3rd the size of the moon, orbiting the Earth at the the geostationary orbit, would had a gravitational pull 100 times bigger then the moon, which means that in months it ciould stop the rotation of the Earth and have it only facing the mothership, in effect having the Earthy only offer one side to the sun AL THE TIME. It would achieve it IN MONTHS. In fac,t the aliens wouldn't evne need to invade and attack Earth to win, all they would need to do was park their asses up there and let physics do the work for them.
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Astrophysician Dr Lawrence Krauss of The Science Of Star Trek fame
wrote a book about movie physics caled Beyond Star Trek. And about ID4 he calculated that the impact energy released from the "smaller" alien ships that hovered the cities, at impact would release so much energy it would be like the impact of big asteroids on Earth, all happening simultaneously at different parts of the globe. Meaning, a global catastrofe so big it would be equivalent of the impact of the asteroid that exterminated the dinosaurs.It means that the victory of the humans and their downing of the "smaller" ships would actually spell doom to mankind and all living organisms on Earth. Think about that. The independence day stops being such an happy ocasion, after all.The same book also says that with the mothership, 1/3rd the size of the moon, orbiting the Earth at the the geostationary orbit, would had a gravitational pull about 100 times bigger then the moon, which means that in months it's gravitational pull could stop the rotation of the Earth and have it only facing the mothership, in effect having the Earth only offer one side to the sun ALL THE TIME. It would achieve it IN JUST MONTHS. In fact, the aliens wouldn't even need to invade and attack Earth to win, all they would need to do was park their asses up there and let physics do the work for them. -
....That you're completely missing the point.
A fucking old-school crooner and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air go up against these aliens in fucking F-16s, and the biggest problem you have with this is physics, Asi??
don't even THINK of watching a movie like ID4 if you can't suspend your disbelief. It's a JINGOISTIC movie! It's meant to make you FEEL, not think!
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That's the bane of SF, my friend. So little of it is actually good. It's not a new phenonemum. It's in fact kinda an old thing, so much so that in the mid 70s Theodore Sturgeon, a Sf author, created the Sturgeon Law, which inicially stated: "90% of all SF is crap". It was later noticed that law could be aplied to almost anything. Today, Sturgeon's Law simple reads: "90% of everything is crap".And that's the thing that as a Sf lover that i am, i have noticed time and again. Very little SF made in movies is any good. SF is my fave genr,e and ironaically, it's the genre i see the less movies about, because most of it is just so bad. There's very little good Sf made this rcent years. In fact, there's very litle true SF, most of it is just action movies with a sugar-coating of SF to give it flavour.Are there any SF movies made rcently that i liked? Sure, there's SOME: Primer, The Prestige, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Cypher, The Cube, Solaris (remake), Twelve Monkeys, Strange Days, Gattaca, Starship Troopers, Children Of Men, to name a (very) few. In fact, such is the scarcity of good SF, i have to go back almost two decades to be able to name a few as example. That's how bad SF made this days are. And i don't name any Star Wars-like movies because those are fantasy more then SF proper.
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Yws, the physics are the bigger issue. The smaller shit is small fry in comparison. No less stuipid, but smaller fry. Pales in insignificancy to the kindergarden level of physics knowledge that movie offers. and that says a lot about the type of people who make the movies, and the type of people who accept them. If we are to lament the sorry state of today's education, movies gives us a good hint about it to the type of ignorance that is let go and accepted in the type of stories that are produced today. A better education system that could trach people to be more science savvy wouldn't allow for stuff like in ID4 to be so easy accepted and let go by without general scorn and dismissal.
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It's the screw ups on physics that is the real WELCOME TO EARTH about this movie, friend. Welcome to Earth.The second biggest problem about the movie is the fucking jingoism. If ever Hollywood made a fascist movie in diguise, it's ID4. They say Hollywood is liberal. Total complete bullshit! ID4 proves that.
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When Bill Pullman finshes that "Today we celebrate our INDEPENDENCE DAY!" speech? By that point in the movie, I practically stood up and saluted. I'd have voted Pullman over Obama, he was so great.
The greatest big-screen President EVER is Michael Douglas as President Andrew Shepherd in THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT. But he didn't defeat an alien armada, so that doesn't count in this dojo. -
Pullman's speach gave me the shits. You have no idea how fucking bad that speach is from the point of view of a non-american. He might as well had been dressed with a nazi uniform and sport an Hitler's moustache.And the wrist thing is how unawares so many americans are of the wrongness of that scene. Though it might help explain why George W Bush got to be elected twice on the jingoist bullshit ticket.
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indeed from a non-american that speech was one of the film's worst parts.
ok mr pullman president sir, we get it,u americans are the fuckers of the world,the rest of us are helpless without u,now go home and get your fucking shine box. -
is whatisname for that movie.
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to get educated about physics,thank god there are books,internet and documentaries about that.thats why they are called science FICTION movies and not just science movies.
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one of the worst pieces of shit i have ever seen.
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I mean, here is a race that has ships fly by no means of propulsion, can travel through space probably FTL, and a dozen other things that break the laws of physics.
What is wrong with ID4 isn't the science, which is non-existent from the get-go, it is the lack of fucking common sense and believability.
LA, NY and Washington DC just got wiped out, and fucking Harry Connick Jr. and the rest of the idiotic Marine Pilots are throwing around jokes. Not humor to ease their fears or take their mind away from the horror of what has happened - no. These dumb shits act like this all the time. Their brains can't hold two thoughts in their head, only the idea that "Let's throw in some dumb jokes."
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I'm still disappointed that the whole speech didn't rhyme. "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not give up without a fight! We will continue to uphold what is right! We will endure with the power of our might! We will not be blinded by the light! We will not be rolled up like a douche, another runner in the night!" -
I don't see how this is an American sided jingoistic speech..."Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day" He is speaking to the world, to all nations. How is that insulting to non-Americans?
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Oct 13, 2009 5:49:43 PM CDT
portentous with a U is correct about operative of continent
by dirk_the_amoeba
being correct
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But the international media credit Obama, who wins the Lenin peace prize, the Dayton peace prize, an Emmy, a blank check from Publishers Clearing House and a free subscription to "Entertainment Weekly".
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And Obama, and Bill Pullman team up with Smith, and a NEW batch of aliens that come in and kick ass. The sequel is called "Illegal Aliens"
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I'd like to know just what do you think you're doing?
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I think that movie was pretty amazing, although it was depressing as hell.
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ID4 sucked dick, and it started the bad movie epidemic. Fuck the idea for part 2 and fuck Will Smith, he's an overrated hack.
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A lovely song written after lunch with Elton
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Considering how often this movie gets quoted on this site to hilarious effect, and how this is the only movie with explosion pornography that wasn't ass, and how much respect pimp shit Goldblum gets around these parts - I could not have foreseen the sheer number of these ignorant humorless fucks and the heaping pile of faggot I just had to wade through reading the talkback up to this point, ID4 is a blast - it is stupid in all the best parts and is retarded awesome. ID5? I Gots to get me one of these
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First of all, I think that the physics you're referring to are probably a bit off. For starters, you're failing to mention a fundamental difference between the spaceships and asteroids. That being that asteroids typically hit Earth at unfathomable speeds, while the giant saucers fell from what couldn't have been more than a few thousand feet in altitude. You could take the number of saucers in the movie and multiply it by a hundred, and you're STILL not going to get the effects of a giant asteroid. That's because the giant saucers are already STATIONARY at a height of a few thousand feet. When they fall at terminal velocity, no way will you get the kind of ejected material that results from giant asteroids. You're mostly just going to get a smashed city. Secondly, the mothership might be a third the size of the moon, but that doesn't give much indication of the MASS of the mothership. As we saw in the movie, a lot of the mothership is apparently empty space. Hell, there's enough empty space to fly plane around inside it. Just because it is 1/3 the SIZE of the moon doesn't mean that it is 1/3 the MASS of the moon.
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If you aren't then play with yourself a little more often, you seem completely full of hate and criticism, I am not sure you can even grasp the concept of fun.
Stop reading books about the physics of science fiction blockbusters and get out there and meet some ladies, or men, whatever makes you happy as long as its between consenting adults. -
secretly eats Manass.
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... It was called Spaceballs. He also made Hitler on Ice. It was called To Be Or Not To Be. As far as the power source, they could not replicate it before the aliens arrived. But they can make up whatever they want and make it as infeasible as they want if the writing is good enough. The trick will be selling it. As to what Emmerich and Devlin might actually have in mind, who knows. But they better do a good job of it (especially if 2012 fails and Leverage continues to decline) or they're done.
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uh....yeah. I don't think anyone watches these movies for good writing. People watch these movies to see shit blow up real good. So in that sense, they could probably make a sequel and completely ignore any kind of continuity. The people who buy movie tickets won't care, as long as shit gets blown up real good. But they WILL have to top the first one visually. And I don't know if that'll be easy to do. It's like, the first movie was stupid, but it had a hell of a lot of cool "money shots". Things that no one had ever seen before in a movie on that kind of scale. The scenes where these unbelievably massive ships emerge from the sky was just plain fucking cool. But we already saw that in the first movie. Do the same thing again, I don't know if anyone will care. They already saw that shit. You could also significantly amplify the scale of destruction. But again, 2012 looks like it's going to set the benchmark. No matter how much shit gets destroyed in Independence Day 2, it looks like it'll have a hard time topping 2012. And 2012 already looks fucking ridiculous, so I imagine that ID4-2 would seem even more ridiculous if they tried to top 2012 in the "shit getting destroyed" category. Honestly, I just say that's it's best to move on. If Roland Emerich wants Will Smith in a movie about total fucking destruction, then he should just try to get Will Smith in his next movie (which will SURELY be about total fucking destruction). But Independence Day sequel? Who honestly gives a shit? No one likes that movie because it had great writing, people like it because it looked really cool and shit got blown up. How many people ACTUALLY care about the story, and want to know what happens to the world after the aliens return? I'm guessing not many. So...the hell with an ID4 sequel. Just let Emerich come up with his next movie about shit getting destroyed, and then cast Will Smith as the lead. Problem solved.
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was still totally uplifting! Say what you will about Emmerich, at least he's not a fascist scumbag à la Bay. Also, I do not understand the hate for this movie. What the hell were you expecting when you went to see it? Thought-provoking sci-fi? An advanced lecture about the practical applications of string-theory? Well I wasn’t and that’s why I had fun with it.
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lots of movies have widespread lasting appeal because they were so goddamn fun. Aliens. Robocop. Etc. Take Aliens. By making the Aliens basically giant bugs, James Cameron sort of turned it into a nasty little movie about humanity's supeiority. It's sort of actually an ugly movie, where we have to kill everything we don't like, even if that thing happens to be living on a remote place where it can do no harm. Sure, the Company was the villain for trying to weponize the Aliens, but the Aliens THEMSELVES were the villains simply for being so vile that they must not fucking exist. The solution? Kill every last fucking Alien, and good riddance. Again, it's a nasty little movie considering that the Aliens have been found on only one planet, while humanity has spread out to over 300 worlds and routinely kills every fucking thing that poses a problem for them. And somehow the ALIENS are the big threat, and we all breathe a little safer knowing that the Aliens are dead. Despite the fact that they never actually did a goddamn thing wrong, and that humans really had no more business being on that planet than the Aliens.
But the the movie was fun. It was a HELL of a lot of fun, despite the truly ugly overtones. That's part of why people love it. The other part of why people love it was because it was just damn well made.
See, I'm not saying that Independence Day Had to have been a brilliant masterpiece in order to stand the test of time. It's just that looking cool is pretty much ALL it has going for it. The Gremlins movies were pretty fucking stupid too, but I'd argue that Gremlins was just a better movie than ID4. Hell, Gremlins 2 was unbelievably stupid, but I'd rank that as one of the best sequels ever made. The differnece is this...somehow, watching Aliens and the Gremlins movies years later, the movies still manage to be awesome and fun. But with Independence Day, somehow it's just...boring. With ID4, pretty much ALL of the fun was in seeing what was going to blow up next. Once you know, it's no longer any fun. A lot of other cheesy movies have fared better. Robocop was cool because it's a godamn cop who's a fucking huge indestructible robot. Cheesy premise, but there's just enough there to give the movie staying power. Aliens was cool because it had badass marines blowing tons of Aliens up with awesome fucking weapons. But there's just enough there to make it last past the date when it stops being so "cool". But with Independence Day? I don't know...there's just something lacking. On repeat viewings, it's just boring. Once I've seen it, there's really no reason to watch it again. And if I ever do find myself watching it again, I just find myself skipping to the parts where something blows up. -
Saw it last weekend I think it was. It's a whole lotta fun. That's-it, really. I like it on the same level as I do Armageddon or Congo or the first Mummy. Can't imagine anyone worrying about the actual laws of physics--ummm those aliens don't exist after all, who gives a shit how they got here?! And an mac book shorting out their defence shields? Works for me.
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Trust us he's reading his 'Isaac's guide to Lisbon' in Oporto while sorting thru the pens. He's a happy idiot.
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Was that if that last saucer was right over Area 51 and about to fire then when they took it out wouldn't it have just fallen on them?
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we don't need a sequel to the PoS that was ID4. Oh, yeah a Pilot punches out a alien while making stupid one liners.Then there's the computer virus, and Fox as a stripper married to a Jet pilot?!? And that stupid fucking dog that jumped over explosions..!!?!!Roland is and will always be a hack.
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It's called 2012 and it opens in a few weeks.
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Indeed. and he was right. Technically speaking, Ballard and Cronneberg's movie adaptation Crash is indeed SF. If we go for the definition of SF as "adramatic narrative in which the relationship between technology and men is to important for the story that it could not be told otherwise", then Crash is SF, because the whole story revolves around this group of peope's relationship with a certain technological product: cars.
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The most boring SF movie i ever saw is Transformers.
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Why shouldn't a movie educate too? If there are documentaries which educate and entertain, why can't a movie entertain and educate? why should there be a compartimenzation of the two, and why can't the two meet? In fact, if a movie entertains AND educates, it's achieves more, it delivers MORE. I find that TWICE as entertaining.As for 2001, that movie is boring is you see it form the perspective of action. but if you see it form a different perspective, in that of an experience, it's an unmatched blast.
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Bad science ruins the believability. Or at the very least helps a lot. Let me just say, the bad science in ID4 is anoyther of it's endless problems, but the way i see it, one of the majors. Why? Because, despiste all that "it's just a fun movie" way the filmmakers tlaked about it, the way all is played for the most par,t and specially at the begining, it plays quite serious. The goofiness cames AFTER the mega-deaths scenes of the city destruction. Which, narratively speaking, is a very weird way to structure a story.
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The insult starts with the title, continues with the climax of the movie happening during the american major holiday, and that the movie completly exploits an american thing but wants to turn it international. Think about this: how would you feel if the world's salvation and the greatest day of mankind happened during he Day Of Bastille, France's national day? Or during China's National day (which is a communist celebration)? Or in Cuban's national day (ditto)? Or North korea's National Day?Are you getting the point now?
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It wa snot me who did the maths, it was an ASTROPHYSICIAN. a well respected one, called Dr. Lawrence M. krauss. You can read it all in his book "Beyond Star Trek". Great read, also veryu funny (the dude can make physics funny).The point you don't sem to understand is that the ships which hoovered over the cities were huge, according to the movie about 15 miles wide. Lawrence Krauss in his maths he is very conservative, the assumes only 10% of the volume of the ships are solid, the rest is air at normal atmospheric pressure, and he even downplays the solid part of the ship by having it the density of water. And yet, the results gives such a massive mass to the ship that a free fall from just 1000 metters would create such a force of impact it would be the equivalent of a lot of atom bombs.Funny enough, the ships, by just hoovering above the cities would be enough to raise them. By just sitting there? How? Atmospheric pressure. Any object that hoovers or flies basically sits in the air that is below, and pushes if doward. doesn't matter which propulstion system is uses, to hoover, it needs to push thei air down. The mere fact it's there causes that. Sinc ethe ship is so big, and evne considering the very conservative values he dicves to the ships, it's still results in that the atmospheric pressure the ships would cause below them would be about 20 atmosphere, which is about twice the force of a shockwave from an H-bomb explosion. The aliens don't evne need to firebomb the cities to destroy them all they need to to hoover over them, and let physics run it's course.The funny thing is, with true physics, the aliens wouldn't even need to expose themselves to achieve their goals, all they would need was just to park their asses.And of course, there is one of favorite science screw up in the movie, the same one tha tArmageddon also had: they over-estimate the explosive power of an H-Bomb when in regard to super-massive objects like the mothership in ID4 and the asteroid in Armageddon. Yes, H-Bombs are very destructive bombs, but compared to the size of those two objects, they would hardly scratch their survaces. not becaus the H-bomb is not powerful, but because those objects are GIGANTIC.
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I think the reason that ID doesn't hold up as well as the other movies you mentioned is that it's a standard disaster movie. Bad things happen to good people, good people fight back, good people win. Sorry Asimov, I don't see a big difference between this and, say, Poseiden Adventure or Towering Inferno, except for the caliber of star power/actors. The films with genuine staying power, like you mentioned, Aliens, Robocop, Gremllins, had subtext that made them more than just exciting genre efforts. Aliens was an allegory for Vietnam. Soldiers who thought they were technologically advanced going on a scrub mission, coming up against an enemy that was more cunning, and used the environment to their advantage. Robocop, trying to find the soul/humanity within a machine. Gremlins, messing around with what we don't understand, and American arrogance, buying whatever we want and not minding the consequence. So ID was your basic SCTV Farm Film..it blew up, blew up real good.
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Yeeaaaa, I can see your point, but I think the movie makers chose 4th Of July, in part, because it was an easy date to market (ID4) and release a "summer blockbuster" over a (granted American) holiday weekend. Remember when Will Smith had a hit with Men In Black over the same time period he was nicknamed "Mr. 4th Of July", because he seemed like a sure moneymaker if a movie was released during that weekend. And Independence Day works as a generic title (day of independence) as opposed to Bastille Day. You may recall a small woman's film with the same name a few years earlier.
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It is a popcorn, modern day equivalent of a chapter serial. It has more in common with Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers and old Sci-Fi comic books, not HG Wells "War of the World". The science never bothered me...
But the fucking horrible dialogue, characters and plot is was drove me nuts.
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A movie called Bastille Day would make gangbuster business in France, i guess.The point is, you name an american movie after an american holiday, and the very day of the independence, and i'm sorry but the jigoism aspect will stick to it to kingdom come. It's unavidable, and frankly, the criticism is very pertinent and justified. IT IS jingoism. And seen from the perspective of a foreinger, it's even insulting.If ID4 had never crossed over to foreing markets, that would be OK. It would be internal consuption, so what, let the americans deal with it. But the movie was marketed WORLDWIDE. And this naive attitude form so many americans who can't udnerstasnd what is so wrong about a movie where all the major fighting and responsability for the elimination of ana alien threat rest solely on th shoulders of americans, and it happens EXACTLY at the same day of their most important holiday that celebrates their independence day, let me tell you, it is insulting.And bewildering. It's the same way when the world was in complete disbelief when Bush Jr was voted for a second term. with all honesty, seem from abroad, it looks like madness.True story: I watched the movie back in the day when it was released. In case you ar enot aware yet, i'm portuguese. I saw the movie in my home country Portugal. In the theater, in front of me there was a this american family, tourists. Because in my country all movies are subtitled, the americans could watch the movie easy, it had the original english language dialogues. At the end of the movie, this early teen girl raises up and asks her dad, very excitedly: "we did won the war, didn't we?" and her dad replied "yes we did".I think this tells a lot about the average american way this movie is seen by the average american who watch it. and it's quite sintomatic of what the movie wanted to achieve and what kind of feelings it wanted to cause on an american audience. This tourist family reacted exactly like how the movie wanted them to react. "We the americans won the war". Now, try to think how a foreigner might feel about this. Just do this mental exercise, imagine that isntad of americans, it was the soviet russians during the USSR who had won, pratically singled handed, the war agaisnt the aliens, while duiring the same day they celebreated the October Revolution. And their premier/party secretary had himself flown a fighter air jet and lead the assault from the front, and previously had made a speech where form now on The October Revolution Day would be know as the day the Earth got rid of their menace, as Earth's new revolution day. Try to guess what would be the reactions from most americans watching that. That's the answer.
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Actually, Independence Day IS an indirect adaptation of WG Wells' War Of The World and the 1960's movie of the same name. There is a sceen which is completly lifted form it, the scene when the humans try to nuclear bomb one of the ships and causes nothing on them. That scne is lifted wholesome.and there's the virus solution, which is also a complete lift off from both book and movie. Only, instead of an organic virus, it's a computer virus. Which made the movie even more stupid. The jokes about computer system compatibilities of human and alien has been numerous beyond count.
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DOS is the great constant of the universe.
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C:DOS/RUN
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I'll be your partner in crime on reminding everyone why don't need ID42.
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But the movie never tries to be a realistic version of it. It just lifts and riffs on Wells work, just like how comic books, cartoons and pulp stories did as well. It would be like criticizing Marvin the Martian because he wasn't a realistic enough adaptation of WOTW, or the Halloween episode of the Simpsons were they spoofed it. ID4 is as much WOTW as BUG'S LIFE is THE SEVEN SAMURAI.
Once again, the science never bothered me because the tone of the film isn't that realistic. Sure the film starts "seriously", but it is never realistic (every character is just a bad caricature), and after the aliens attack, as you said, it just goes off into pure comedy and goofiness.
What has always bothered about that film isn't the fact that science was no good, but that the characters, plot and reactions were so cheesy and one-dimensional. People can like the film, I won't hold it against them, but I found it to be as challenging and stimulating as watching someone playing Asteroids. -
Indenpendence Day is not about American PRIDE, it is about American GENEROSITY! We came to find a solution for a global problem, then we shared the information so ALL countries could foil the super space hovering machines! We weren't winning for our INDEPENDENCE alone but for the INDEPENDENCE of the entire planet. We saved your portugese butts because as ungrateful as you might be, we will protect you.
Anyways, it is a fun, non-political science fiction thriller that is for entertainment not just to make portugese people pissed off. You are thinking only about yourself and forgetting a bunch of things like:
- Will Smith = awesome
- Randy Quaid is an honorable drunk man
- Aliens were the bad guys versus good guys of earth (not only USA)
- The special effects were even better than I thought! This movie could WOW audiences today and I hope it is redone in 3D soon (notes for ID42: call it ID423D!)
- You are watching with foreign eyes so maybe you just can't understand. Like if I watched a stupid Portuigese art movie, I would say, "This is boring and slow and WTF!" but you really like it because you are accustomed to stupid things already
- Roland Emmerich is NOT EVEN AMERICAN (but we love him)
- 2012 is going to be the best movie of the new millenium so far (mark my words)
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I could see how as a citizen of another country it might be annoying that EVERYTHING is done by the Americans. How it is told completely through the American POV (save for one brief sequence), how the way to communicate with the rest of the world - morse code - is figured out by the Americans, how they method of defeating the Aliens is figured out by the Americans, how they carry out the big attack against the mother ship, and how they figure out how to take down the big ships (and then say relay that info to the rest of the world).
Sure the Americans are being generous with the info and help, but it probably seems annoying that it is the Americans who do everything. And I mean EVERYTHING literally.
For an Alien Invasion that effects the world, it is amazing that every major event happens within the confines of the US, or it is Americans who solve the problem. The rest of the world apparently is worthless...
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2012 suxs becasue it is based upon a stupid "end of the world" prediction being spread by some wackos. people have been predicting the end of the world since its begining.
ID4 is still fun to watch because the possibility of alien life is still interesting to ponder.
Will anyone care about 2012 doomsday predictions in 2013? No. The movie will look even sillier than the previews do already. But people will still be watching ID4 and hopefully ID4-2. -
ID4-2: Guy Fawkes Day
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ID4-2: Guy Fawkes Day
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Of course the girl in the theater asking her poppa if WE won the war, could be referring to WE, the human race...Naw, I'm just yanking your chain. You've expressed your view very well. I may not entirely agree with it, but I can understand it.
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Does Roland Emmerich know the difference between a script and a SPX Shot list?
Here's an idea for ID4-2 (Oh and WHY is there the 4 in there? It's not Independence Day 4 - Part 2! Otherwise say ID7/4-2) How about the Earth gets a distress call from some other planet being harassed by the same aliens - so they mount up in a couple of repaired motherships and go kick as SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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..Harry Conick Jr's Character was killed by the Aliens only to have Smith yell "Jimmmyyyy.."!! I can tell this fucker was slumming just for the quick paycheck.ID4 is Smith's worse film next to Wild,Wild West and of course MiB2.Even Hancock was more original that the aforementioned Smith Shitfests.We don't need another ID4.
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I thought the Mordern day Virus "solution" was a bit too contempoarary as opposed to another alternative when beating the Aliens. (Oh, yeah "let's use a Computer Virus to plague the Mothership.That'll stop 'em cold"!)Too bad the aliens didn't have Norton or Macafee aboard their ship.It would have made for an very unhappy ending. XD
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Independence means the right of self-government, the right to have sovereignty over oneself. ID4 wasn't about overthrowing a ruthless dictator, it was about fighting against and alien race that wanted to annihilate us.
Jews don't talk about becoming Independent from the Holocaust, they talk about being Liberated and being Holocaust Survivors. I know that the Independence Day tie in was a gimmick, but still, when Pullman makes that speech how July 4th will be Independence Day for everyone, they can at least make it an accurate statement. -
It's a good cause, my friend.
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And that's why that stuff is so irritating to foreingers, that misture of naiveté and smugness. Your post could had been part of a Goerge W Bush's speech. And this is why so many of americans keep on offending foreigners. and i guess why ID4 pleased so many americans, those without any tact and understanding how to deal with foreigners. I'm sorr,y but that "Independnnce Day is to comemorate american generosity" is bullshit. Real bullshit. Change the tune, friend. No matter how you spin it, ID4 will always be a very offensive movie for foreigners, and it's a testement of some americans' naivité why they can't see that. The same kind of naivité that made them vote for Bush twice. A dangerous kind of naivité.
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No, friend, when she said "we", she ment americans. She said "it was we who won, didn't we?". This early teen girl, and her first question after the movie ended was to have her american pride fulfilled. I'm sorry, but this doesn't happen in anywhere else in the western world. No kid from any other country in the western would would say such a thing. No one. That young teen was quite a great example of a certainly mentality that makes americans so unliked. Even among their allies.
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Youknow what's even more funny? Not only the virus thing is so absurd, it's also the back up plan as well. The virus is absurd because it contemplates the absurd idea that two totally different races would had compatible computer systems. That alone is beyond hysterical. Then there's this weird pyromaniac notion that ONE H-Bomb would be enough to blow up the entire mothership... which is 1/3rd the size of the Moon. Let me tell you this: would a single H-Bomb be able to blow up the whole of Texas? Of course not. then how it could competly blow up an object 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF TEXAS?Emmerich and Devlin boasted they wrote the script of ID4 in two weeks. It shows!
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Continentalop pointed out to soemthing which he might very well be right in saying what's ID4's major problem: the characterization. Or should i call it, "characterization". It's a bombardment of cliches as old as the hills. always the same tired old shit: the untrusty advisor of the president. The wacky scientists. The cold bitch wife who chose career over marriage. The heroic reckless but natural born fighter pilot flyboy. The doomed best friend of the hero who will die incombat so the hero can have a personal stake at revenging the evil guys. The simplistic malicious aliens. The sturbon jewish father. The aborable precicous hateful tikes. The stripper with the golden heart who is a total babe, works as a whore but is totally dedicated to her man. The best freiond of said lady hero who is wacky and more sexually lose. The list could go on. And on and on and on.And when there's drama, it came in the shape of the oldest cliches imaginable. We have people facing the worst problem mankind ever faced sinc ethe last glaciation, and some of the maincharacters still find timeto bicker about their marriage and who is to blame for how bad it turned out. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!! That's not drama, it's bullshit.!Some people might say that who cares about good characterization, it's just a movie about stuff blowing up. I say nuts to that! If a movie gives me cyphers, i'll be as worried about their fate as i would about the drowning of an anthill. which means, i'll be completly uninvolved and unmoved. The movie fails. doesn't matter if there's big ass SFX, there's no good story to hold them and no good characters to emphasis, i don't give a shit. For all i cared, i was rotting for the aliens to win in ID4.
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with Irwin Allen? Look at your list of characters. You could include in that club the priest questioning his faith, a cop married to a hooker, the smarter than his age tyke, the old Jewish couple yammering on, the shady contractor with shoddy building materials, the couple having an affair...and on and on and on.
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Logic of all sorts is thrown COMPLETELY out the window, characterizations are microscopically thin, blah, blah, blah. But Jeff Goldblum is my dawg and the whole first attack sequence is delicious, in an admittedly puerile way. Fuck, I'd rather see an ID4 sequel than a Hancock sequel, or some BS "I Am Legend" prequel. ("I'm Not Yet Legend"?)
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... I am strongly encouraging you to put down the game controllers and get out more. Even better... go back to school and learn something and meet some real people; or at least get out and go to a club or a party and try to get a girlfriend if you can. BTW - ABSOLUTELY "IF THE WRITING IS GOOD ENOUGH" IF ID4 didn't have likeable characters, a well-paced, compelling storyline and some tongue-in-cheek humor, it would have evaporated from pop-culture memory after its 1st 2 days in the box office. Let me guess, you guys actually threw away your hard earned money going to see that butt-monkey Michael Bay's Transformers 2 (with your dicks in your hands everytime Megan Fox was on screen). PLEASE tell me you didn't.
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I doubt anyone criticizing ID4 is a fan of TRANNY 2, and more likely than not the people that clamored for ID4 also clamored for Bay's pile of crap. Just because a movie makes money and somehow hit the public consciousness doesn't make it a good movie: PHANTOM MENACE and TOWERING INFERNO prove otherwise. Hell, TWILIGHT proves that bad writing can make money.
And just a little hint, anyone who criticizes other people's lives and lack of getting laid is probably projecting a little bit. I hate the entire idea of the pissing contest between anonymous people on the internet, but I am willing to bet I have a more exciting life than you, go out more than you, and get laid more than you with hotter girls. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.
In other words, don't talk shit unless you can back it up AND prove it. -
... and I wasn't even addressing you. Hmm... your diatribe and hostility inticate the exact opposite of your claims and that you are not at all happy about it. People obviously reveal a lot themselves by the content and tone of their posts, as you have revealed yours.
BTW: You are absolutely right about a lot movies with crappy writing making tons of money. "Tranny 2" and a plethora of others are long proof of that. But a movie that blows a lot of shit up AND is well written becomes a classic and makes A LOT more money through the generations of new fans. "Tranny 2" will only be remembered as a joke if remembered at all. -
The effects are the star of the show anyway. Let Will go play movie producer for the sole purpose of giving his kids starring roles.
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