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DOLLHOUSE Rises To 3rd Place!! SMALLVILLE Earthbound!! ORDER Rebounds!! LENO Pulls 1.4!! Friday Ratings!
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Friday viewers 18-49 (overnights for previous weeks in parentheses):
2.1 (1.7) (2.2) The Ghost Whisperer
1.9 (1.8) (2.0) Medium
1.6 (1.6) (1.7) Numbers
1.5 (1.2) (1.3) Law & Order
1.5 (1.7) (1.5) Dateline
1.5 (1.6) (2.3) 20/20
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) The Jay Leno Show
1.0 (0.8) (1.0) Dollhouse
0.9 (----) (1.5) Modern Family (r)
0.9 (----) (----) The Middle (r)
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) Smallville
0.8 (1.0) (1.4) FlashForward (r)
0.8 (0.8) (----) ‘Til Death
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) Brothers
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) America’s Next Top Model (r)
CABLE
2.1 Baseball Playoffs (6pm)
1.8 Baseball PLayoffs (10:34pm)
1.1 Monk
1.1 Psych
1.0 Stargate SGU
0.8 Wizards of Waverly Place
0.7 Sanctuary
0.6 Suite Life On Deck
0.5 Star Wars: Clone Wars
* While lead-ins “Brothers” and “’Til Death” remain in the ratings toilet, “Dollhouse” rose 11% to match its season premiere in the Fox Friday Death Slot. “Dollhouse” also rose from fourth place to third in its timeslot thanks to falling numbers from ABC’s repeats.
* “Leno” again matched its series low. Will NBC blink if it falls to 1.3?
* “Smallville” remains super-weak. The CW had to back up the Brinks truck to get thirtysomething Tom Welling to play Superboy again this season, so I wouldn’t expect much of a future for the Boy of Steel.
* CBS’ psychic dramas “Ghost Whisperer” and “Medium” again swapped the night’s number-one and number-two positions.
* "Law & Order," still garnering a fraction of its former numbers, nonetheless hit its season high.
* CBS’ decision to pick up a third season of “Flashpoint” bodes ill for the pricier “Numbers.”
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since he's facing off and destroying all his famous enemies in his youth, what's he gonna do when he finally becomes superman?
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Hopefully they'll save The Eradicator, Livewire, Hank Henshaw, Darkseid and The Elite for when he becomes Superman. Hopefully.
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It was actually pretty well-done for network TV, but still...Superman ripping off zombie movies?
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At least Erica Durance is still nice to look at.
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It ddn't seem like there was any spoilers in this article.
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I wasn't even gonna watch once I heard about the zombies but I'm totally shocked at how great it all looked. And this new guys got Zod down cold.
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Oct 10, 2009 3:35:23 PM CDT
JAYSIN420...totally agree. Smallville looked GOOD last night.
by cletus van damme
I hope they finish out the season too...WB owes it to those of us who've stuck with it for almost a decade.
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It's funny, Friday has a ton of content out there, but the networks can't market for shit. "Stargate: Battlestar Lost", Sanctuary, Psych, Monk, Star Wars The Clone Wars, Smallville, Law & Order, Numb3rs, Ghost Whisperer, Medium, Dollhouse, 20/20, Dateline NBC, Friday Night Smackdown... if you can't find something to watch on Friday, you're just not fucking trying. Yet only the cable shows seem capable of marketing their wares, and ABC can't even be bothered to put on new content so their reruns at least have that stink of "well, you didn't watch it on Wednesday, but maybe you can catch it now". Or maybe America is just out doing other shit on Fridays, yeah, that must be it, we're just too busy, it's not the networks' faults.
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Smallville was 3rd in its timeslot, which is a first for the network all week.
And given its ratings/viewing figures are the same as almost all other CW series, despite airing on Fridays in a death-slot, it's pretty likely for renewal. -
I don't think Hercules is being impartial, the above article paints Smallville out to be doing bad, but it's not. It's beating both Fox slots, in ratings/viewers, which is a pretty big deal. I think Hercules is being bias, and that's a bit unfair.
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Oct 10, 2009 3:46:20 PM CDT
They should find some way to add TIVO's to those numbers
by majortierce79
Smallville actually kick some serious ass this year after 2-3 years of weaker seasons...I am sure if you add the TIVO numbers to those ratings you could add at least 1 or 2 millions to those numbers
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Because they rerun the hell out of everything. They really only have four or five hours of programming a day.
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It's true: if you look at the numbers above you can see the ongoing collapse of "FlashForward" put "Smallville" in 3rd place.
But I THINK Smallville maybe hit its all-time new-episode low last night. Does anyone have a lower historical number for the show? -
He is part of the reason that Southland got cancelled. Hate him, he's a fake and a hack. http://sickpicks.blogspot.com/
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How can you say FF is collapsing? it was number 3 on Thursday night! It had over 9 mil people watching. Office did a little bit better? I just don't understand it?
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Is that the Dollhouse news is reported in a positive way (unless I'm missing some sarcasm) but the Smallville news is spun negatively.
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Flat ratings or not, last night's episode of SMALLVILLE rocked even though everything was tied up neatly by the end. The teaser opening with Zombie Lois was especially effective.
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Well, Dollhouse gained viewers, and Smallhouse lost viewers. It's not too hard to spin that as a positive for Fox and a negative for the CW.
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Though now I'm imagining a Smallville/Dollhouse crossover. Perhaps Clark could knock some sense into Ballard?
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Yeah there's definitely bias in that reporting. Dollhouse was STILL the lowest rated show of all four major netowrks for the week, regardless of the night, lol. Its return to a 1.0 means that it "rebounded" to tie its second worst rating ever. Hmmm...let's see....week one, a 1.0, week 2, a 0.9, week 3, a 1.0. That's pretty consistently awful, and as I've said before, the show will probably not be back in two weeks, and definitely won't be back for Novermber sweeps. In other words, bye Dollhouse. -J.
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But the point is that there's barely any distance between the viewing figures. Losing or gaining 10% of almost nothing is either positive in both cases or negative in both cases. The way it's headlined you'd thing that Dollhouse was suddenly doing great and Smallville had suddenly haemorrhaged viewers (rather than declined over quite a long time), whereas in fact both shows aren't doing all that well.
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for L&O and Dollhouse went up. Both shows are really good this year.
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but the Friday night death slot will be it's kryptonite I'm afraid.
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The more violent version of Dollhouse seems to be appealing to a broader audience, but I miss the older shows where the characters develop more.
Thought the "imprint swap" between Victor and Echo was lame (how much of a personality can you pack into a 5-second bleep?) even if it did play into Epitaph One's dystopia. Would rather this show not turn into only a crisis-of-the-week ADD package. -
I've been impressed with how they've intertwined the crisis of the week with character development:
-Echo's struggle to keep the imprints of her imprints under control after her incident with Alpha
-Ballard's learning of the need for patience and subtlety, -Topher's decline into a madness of paradoxical insecurity and genuis
-Boyd's measured indifference to cover up his moral confusion paralleling Adelle's similar arc
I don't see why Fox would cancel this show when obviously no one is watching TV on Friday night in general. -
may rebound when that god-awful "twilight" wannabe show tanks the Thursday 7PM lead in spot for Supernatural. The only reason Smallville's numbers are this bad is that they moved it to 7PM on Friday nights. Just as Dollhouse would be performing better in a Tues or Wed at 8PM timeslot so people that are bored to tears with the CSI/NCIS/Law&Order shows (yes, you too, Criminal Minds) have some alternative. Almost the ENTIRE marketing demographic for both Smallville & Dollhouse is OUT watching HS football, going to the movies, on dates, out to dinner, Happy Hour at the local pub, etc. These shows do not have much appeal to a large portion of the 35&up crowd (yes Whedon loyalists, you are an exception not the rule). Fox Programmers need to let go of this fantasy that just because 16 years ago the X-Files managed to build enough of a following that they MOVED it to a better timeslot and it became a hit show, doesn't mean this is the time of show that will perform best during this slot. That's why we've all started calling it the "death slot" and yet they continue to do it... morons.
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People who critisise smallville have obviously never seen it! And it isn't about Superboy, it's about Clark Kent. The show is not following the origin story to the letter, Clark doesn't have to become the superman from the comics or films, the show is in it's own universe.
Also, all the haters out there. Smallville is in it's 9th season. Think about that. What else has done that well? Shite like Heroes And Lost would never make it to 9! Even great shows like Buffy and Angel didn't get that far! Give Smallville the respect it deserves! -
Explain it to this n00b, I'm not seeing the math here.
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Oct 10, 2009 5:52:40 PM CDT
Hercules: Smallville will increase substantially next week
by hybridtheory
The fan community has almost universally praised last night's episode, so I'm sure more people will tune in live+SD next week, even if just to see Green Arrow's suicide attempt.
Crossfire, of course, is the episode that EVERYONE will be talking about. Not only is Green Arrow back with new costume/look, but his sidekick is a teenage hooker with HIV. **** AND CLARK AND LOIS FINALLY KISS AND START DATING!!!!!!!! ****
And the CW will be announcing Smallville's DVR numbers on Monday, expect BIG BIG BIG figures. -
Oct 10, 2009 6:00:13 PM CDT
Here's an idea: a new spinoff called Stargate: The Smallville C
by mjohnson
Then three shitty shows can merge into one mega-shitty show.
Looks like even Clark Kent takes Whedon's length... -
Not watched the 3rd ep of Dollhouse as I've only just downloaded it - any good? The first 2 this season have been meh...
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Don't even tell me you don't watch that gay-assed shit.
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It was 3rd only for its 9/8c slot, and only on the broadcast networks (Syfy isn't included in the ranking).
And yes, Smallville is more popular than Dollhouse. Actually, everything is more popular than Dollhouse.
Hercules doesn't list viewing figures: if he did, you'd see the only thing Dollhouse does better than is a repeat of America's Next Top Model. -
It's a damn good episode, especially if you're a fan of Victor.
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Looks to me the DH is 6th
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Bwa-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha. Stupid Clark still doesn't realize that he can fly.
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Zucker already achieved his goal.
1) He somehow got Leno to turn down an easy victory at 11:30 on another network in lieu of this lark.
2) He locked out Jay for 2 years from going against Conan. Even if NBC cancels, Jay is under contract.
3) NBC probably now owns the rights to the name "The Jay Leno Show." How stupid could Jay have been to give that up?
Zucker is lousy at running a studio but great at manipulating people. What was Jay thinking? It's hard to imagine... -
from what I've read. They wouldn't have given welling a TON of money and pushed it to Friday if they were worried about ratings, which have been terrible for years. It's season 9 and it's one of the most dvr'd and downloaded shows on all of tv.
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Implying that Leno would get canceled with a 1.3, yet Dollhouse is nowhere near a 1.3, it's at a 1.0, but you're spinning it as a good thing is starting to get a tad delusional and deliberately misrepresenting facts. I know you're a Michael Moore fan, but, c'mon, REALLY? I mean, REALLY?
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Oct 10, 2009 6:41:09 PM CDT
Amy Acker or Summer Glau should have been the star of Dollhouse.
by sighborg
I cringed watching Eliza Dushku's acting on last nights Dollhouse.
She's a good supporting actress, but not a good lead.
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The difference is in expectations. Fox bought more Dollhouse knowing that it would keep roughly the same audience as last year (as it has). NBC figured that the success of the Tonight Show would turn Jay's 10pm gig into an instant hit. It hasn't. I don't think there's a fear of it being canceled this second, but clearly the numbers are lower than the NBC brass had hoped for. It's not spinning, it's just looking at expectations.
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Oh yeah, and you gotta also love how Herc proudly proclaims how Dollhouse is a spectacular third place in it's time slot, resoundingly beating.....reruns lol. Dollhouse's numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER than they were last season. And if you think any network deliberately and happily broadcats a LAST PLACE show (among the 4 major networks) for the week, you're out of your mind lol. The show is a thorn in FOX's side, and a HUGE disappoinment, even with it's "low budget" of a million bucks an episode. Rumors are "House", "Fringe" or "Glee" reruns will take over for Dollhouse soon. My bets are on "Gleee". -J.
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Herc, when was the last time you actually watched Smallville!! Fans have universally praised this season and we knew that moving to the death slot would knock a million viewers from the ratings--but seriously, do you think that normal television ratings work anymore, particularly on Friday nights?
This is a great show that has morphed into one of the best interpretations of the Superman myth--it's worth your time to take another look. It's not your high school Smallville anymore. -
Herc, when was the last time you actually watched Smallville!! Fans have universally praised this season and we knew that moving to the death slot would knock a million viewers from the ratings--but seriously, do you think that normal television ratings work anymore, particularly on Friday nights?
This is a great show that has morphed into one of the best interpretations of the Superman myth--it's worth your time to take another look. It's not your high school Smallville anymore. -
Rumors said Dollhouse wasn't going to make it through its first season, "Epitaph One" was going to air on Fox, it wasn't going to get a second season... Rumors when it comes to pretty much anything related to the entertainment industry are pretty much crap. And on the subject of Leno ratings vs Dollhouse ratings, Dollhouse has stuff like Hulu, DVDs, iTunes, etc to make money from. A talk show doesn't have that.
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Been watching since S1, and I guess I'll keep watching towards the end. But I really wish TPTB would just make this a full fledged Superman show (it practically already is). With no new movie being developed, what's stopping them?
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Oct 10, 2009 7:51:09 PM CDT
They should have killed the "Smallville" name about 3 years ago
by br1947
kicked off "Metropolis" or whatever they wanted to call it after the rebooted w/o Lana. It was fantastic w/o her, went to shit when she was on a cameo, the got even better when she left for good. That show has really jumped in quality the last couple of years, its something entirely different now, although I wish they'd like the idiotic "Blur" and just call him Superman.
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Dollhouse, at least until the Summer Glau episodes. At the end of last night's ep they seem like they're pushing her guest spot. They're probably hoping that it get some of T:SCC's audience.
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Smallville is in season 9 and this season has rocked.With 3 good episodes in a row, I believe this could be the best season yet!
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I may very well not understand what all these numbers mean, but I see that 'Dollhouse risees' and smallville is 'super weak', yet I see 1.0 for both. or maybe its .9 for smallville and 1.0 for dollhouse... to me, that sounds like the success of each show should be flipped--dollhouse has a 1.0 but on network TV. meanwhile, smallville has a 1.0 but is on CW which will never rival network tv ratings... and if by 'third place' it means that it is the third most watched show (nearly tied with smallville) I wouldn't be too thrilled if i was the showrunner of dollhouse... its definatly not third in all the ratings, as the title of the talkback led me to believe...
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He called him 'super dude'
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The point is the NBC is in the ratings crapper. I mean infomercial levels.
The point of Leno is to run something almost as cheap as an informational but still maintain the dignity of not being forced to run infomercials on a "Big Three" network.
Leno's rating will be allowed to suck until someone new comes in and tries to breath life into NBC. Right now they are just giving up. -
Oct 10, 2009 8:35:07 PM CDT
Ryanbraun14: I think Hercules benefits from being pro-Dollhouse
by hybridtheory
There is no other explanation for the propaganda, unless he truly genuinely likes the show. But that means he's letting his feelings get in the way of responsible journalism, or even quality journalism for that matter, because top quality series like Smallville and Stargate deserve more media coverage than Dollhouse, which to me is nothing more than an average.
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Oct 10, 2009 8:38:43 PM CDT
Hercules: two major cult news stories that you've ignored that b
by hybridtheory
(1) Red Dwarf Season 10's official announcement (2) Stargate Universe becoming a massive cult phenomenon in the UK ------ How can you miss these things?
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from the other talkback but there wasn't much smallville talk there (which makes sense, given it was the thursday ratings)The new showrunners took over last season and it was great. However, last season was going so damn well and had great momentum and then there was a several episode lana arc which frustrated me sooo much. This season its clear they're trying to really get the guy to be superman, but unfortunately the old showrunners screwed the show's future. The biggest problem was that clark didn't have glasses and they made NO effort to come up with something that would make sense for how Lois wouldn't recognize clark as superman... it could have worked if you had lois meet a geekier clark (or even fiction-geek--geeky w/glasses, good looking w/o glasses). I can live with that... as the whole 'why don't they recognize superman as clarl' thing has always been a question regarding superman, but we go with it and suspend our disbelief.
The sad part is that the character lois and the way durance plays lois is one of the things the show has done best... smallville's lois is a legit lois lane in every way--but, again because of the old showrunners with no foresight (thinking they wouldn't have to answer these questions because they didn't feel it would still be on, which is total bullshit). Because of that and those old stubborn showrunners (who have been completely outdone by the new ones)lois' character had gotten a bit fucked up--since there's no way for lois NOT to see superman and recognize him as clark, lois is apparantly FALLING IN LOVE with a guy she's never met, never heard his real voice, never seen in person or picture, never shared any real personal encounter with him and she has no clue what his personality is like. It really hurts the character of lois... she's ga ga over nothing... all she knows is he saves people, but what gets her all weak in the knees is that he has power and what girl wouldn't want to be with a guy who has the power of gods. It hurts the idependance and integrity of the character of lois lane.There is a fix to this problem, though--her feelings for clark are starting to grow, as are her feelings for the blur. So, over the course of the rest of the season (hopefully no later than this season) she will be torn in love to both, finds out they are one in the same, and then they begin the chapter of their lives where lois knows clark is superman... if they do that before the season is over, or in the finale, then there's hope we see some real superman action next seaosn.
And its worth noting that smallville has NAILED green arrow in every possible way... i'd really like to see a nightwing show, but green arrow could be great. -
Oct 10, 2009 8:46:08 PM CDT
Smallville news: The first JSA member to be announced is...
by hybridtheory
Stargirl, a.k.a. Courtney Whitmore. The costume is lifted directly from comics.
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You need to remember Smallville is a different universe to the movies and comics, and in this universe, Clark will never wear glasses.
Given that magic and technology plays a critical role in the show's universe, it's entirely possible Zatanna or Jor-El grant Clark the power to alter perception, and so you only know Superman is Clark Kent if Clark tells you, otherwise you'll not think twice. -
Dollhouse: we get to actually talk to Echo rather than just see that Echo has been wiped every week. Eliza gets more to do this season, and I think she's doing well. Even Topher gets on my nerves less.
Parks and Rec had a good idea in making recent episodes thinly veiled parody of Carrie Prejean and Mark Sanford. I think there is a pretty solid audience for that stuff.
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i'm a casual Smallville viewer at best,but I loves me some Green Arrow comics. I managed to tune in last night and he was drining and acting like a bitch...is this at all based on the old Denny O'Neil story where he accidentally killed a guy,went nuts,and ran off to hang with a bunch of monks? Or is there some other lame-ass Smallville reason why Ollies gone all emo?
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1) The stare Lois gave to the sight of all the zombies piled up at the bottom of the stairs - she's slowly working out Clark's secret, without having to say it explicitly
2) Clark putting Lana's photo in the book - not only has he finally moved on, he literally closed the book on her!
3) Chloe's reaction to Clark's pain - proof that deep down, she can forget the tension and struggles their friendship has had, and she loves him
4) The entire "I've got you" scene - perfection. But specifically, the shot of Clark holding her and being lost for words. The desperation in his face and tone really showed us his feelings towards her, for the first time
5) The improved production values. The shots of the city landscape, the dramatic use of mood lighting, and the powerful performances enhanced by fantastic costume and make-up
and I also really liked this:
6) Tess and Zod were only in a few scenes, instead of the whole episode, allowing the serialised aspect Season 9 has gone for to truly blossom -
Is just fucked. I really don't know how there is any real way to give an accurate account of who's watching what.
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Ollie seems to have just ended a Tony Stark like drinking and self pity crisis story arc. SV is indeed an excellent show. Season 9 has been great so far.
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Oct 10, 2009 9:41:03 PM CDT
Jobacca: Green Arrow's downward spiral (contains SPOILERS!)
by hybridtheory
It's inspired by the comics, but a bit different:
In Season 8, Oliver learnt Lionel Luthor killed his parents (as seen in the Pilot), but more importantly, that Clark knew about it. This make Oliver want to get revenge, and so he tries to find Lex. Instead, he found Lana, to castrates him for wanting to kill Lex out of spite, rather than to better the world.
Then when Lex came back in Season 8's "Requiem", and he planted a bomb in Metropolis and and killed a load of LuthorCorp employees via Toyman, Oliver decided enough is enough, and killed Lex, and framed Toyman. This is the initial guilt he has.
Then when it came to Davis Bloome, Oliver convinced the rest of the Justice League that they needed to kill Davis rather than listen to the Legion's advice, and this resulted in a messed up battle plan, and Jimmy Olsen's death. Oliver felt guilty.
Season 9 is only set a few weeks later, and so Oliver is still guilt-ridden, and now he's even more despressed because he's realised Lois was the last thing he did right in his life. Next week or the week after contains a pretty grim suicide-attempt scene, after Toyman makes an example of him for wrongly framing his for the death of Lex, but it's the week afterwards that brings Green Arrow back, new look and all, after he meets Speedy, his HIV positive prostitute side-kick, and Merlyn, his new enemy and one of SV's upcoming villains. -
It was a fantastic rip of an American Werewolf In London and even starred David Naughton!Plus Psych is easiest one of the funniest shows on tv!Last night ep was hitting you on the head with the werewolf theme and the "Psych-out moment" was even more genuis!
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Oct 10, 2009 9:47:44 PM CDT
Oh forgot to mention that BSG ripoff Stargate:Crap
by hollywoodhellraiser
was already throwing religion at your ass last night!I have seen 2 episodes and so far its a flat series!I will give it til episode5 before I'm done with it completely!
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....Dollhouse on the air are these (and forgive me if this has already been discussed ad nauseum on here, I'm new here): Prior to the beginning of every season, networks sell advertising time in what's called upfronts. It is here where they basically offer their time slots up for advertising time to the highest bidder. It does not technically matter what show the network ultimately puts in those time slots, but they do announce their upcoming fall schedules in advance of these upfronts, so that advertisers know what show they're most likely going to be on in advance. The advertising rates the networks charge are almost entirely dependant on the prior year's Sweeps results. These happen in November, February, and May. These are the only times during the television year that a show's ratings really matter. The networks use the time inbetween to guage a show's performance and make adjustments to their schedules before each sweeps period begins. It is during these upfronts where networks make 90% of their revenue for the entire year. If a network's time slot doesn't hit its promised numbers, they have to "pay the advertiser back"- in a manner of pseaking- by giving them free commercial time at another point on their schedule. Which brings me to the debacle that is Dollhouse: all this nonsense so many posters say on here about networks giving a damn about DVR's and internet downloads is completely ill-informed. Do you honestly think the netowkrs are making any money on that 15 second spot for Colgate between each act of the show you're watching on Hulu? They're not. Most of those spots are freebies to those advertisers who got burned during the low rated show's broadcast run anyway. And DVR's? Come on. The network knows you're fast forwarding through the commercials. When an expensive show like Dollhouse flops as it has, the network LOSES money by having to give away free commercial time during other shows to "make up" for the non-existent audience it gets with Dollhouse. Further, while DVD's can be a good ancilliary revenue stream, everyong knows DVD sales have tanked the last few years, and Dollhouse DVD's were just as much of a flop as the show. It's funny how people only complain about how the Nielson system works when the show they like is a bomb, lol. It is for these reasons that I say Dollhouse will not air in November. If they do burn off the last unaired episodes, it won't be until later in the season when it will complete its slide into obscurity. -J.
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New look Green Arrow,Speedy AND Merlyn? I may have to make more of an effort to watch. Heres hoping Ollie and Lois get their own spinoff....
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how you went from it being pulled after baseball to no airing of episodes in Nov. in just 24 hours. Such conviction!
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Can't tell if your just a boner or not (try not to take that the wrong way). But I've tried to watch Psych and its always sucked. Just lame. I want to like it. I like Burning Notices and L&O:CI on USA but everything else (monk inlcuded) has sucked. So when you state that its the funniest thing on TV. Are you saying that its funnier then: it's always sunny in philadelphia The Office Modern Family Nip/Tuck 30 Rocks Parks and Rec South Park Fam Guy If so I see there is a Pysch marathon coming up and I will check this so said episode out.
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If you look at my posts I've said that it *probably won't* be back after baseball, and definitely won't be on for sweeps, and will definitely not have a full season pick up. I've also acknowledged that these things are very fluid and can change by the hours in a day. But that's where it stands now. -J.
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Because you don't know what NBC's expectations were. Why? Because they never said what their "expectations" were for Leno. I don't know. You don't know. And sure as shit Herc doesn't know. What doesn't lie are facts. Which the facts as presented are - Herc implies that Leno will be canceled with it's low ratings. Herc implies that Dollhouse is doing better. The fact is Dollhouse's ratings are lower than Leno. That is spin. Shameless, lying, agenda-pushing spin.
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if he does a "WHAAAAAA!! WE WERE CANCELED TOO EARLY!" attention grabbing cliffhanger, that'll be a cheap way to end it. Which is why I wish it hadn't gotten Season 2, because Epitaph One is truly one of the best goddamn series finales I've ever seen. And then they got season 2. Which felt like a Real Goddamn Ending. Which is why I hope Season 2 has a Real Goddamn Ending. I like solid endings wayyyyy more than long series runs of 100 episodes.
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your post did justice to your username--great theory. Second, the past two seasons have somehow made me go from letting the episodes pile up on my computer to actually looking foward to it every week... i have always enjoyed smallville, but never to the point of looking foward to an episode. SO, I totally get the elseworlds universe they created. Everything seems to be clicking EXCEPT that:Lois seems to be falling for 'the blur' purely on the basis of he helps people, yeah, but lots of people help people... the difference is that the blur has superpowers. Lois as a character has always been a sucker for superman without knowing much, aside from his powers, about superman... except they have met and had face to face moments, even if the words aren't said. But I feel like Lois in smallville is too emotionally attached to the blur. Great idea about how clark could keep his secret.SPORTS FANS: gotta feel for the cardinals fans... they were treated to that devestating loss in the ninth because of a dropped ball, and then the cards come home to a rabid and pumped up fanbase and treat the fans to a big ole clunker... after 162 games, the fans deserve better than that. I was rooting for the dodgers, though, so I'm happy.
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I don't think its fair to talk shit about smallville because 'he's fighting all the villains before he's even superman!' I think you've got to give smallville CREDIT for that, seeing as it is pretty much unanimously agreed that the superman movies need to put superman against villains other than luthor. maybe the villains aren't being used at the point in the timeline of the show's version of superman, but at least smallville has ALWAYS proved it knows the comic books well... you can't really say that for the superman movies.If only that pretensious DOUCHEBAG Tim Kring was able to swallow his pride and turn to comics for inspiration instead of some lame highbrow movie like the fly, we might have had an epic superhero show instead of the so bad its insulting to the viewer pathetic mess that show has become--and its only getting worse. Kring may have killed the possibilities for a bad ass superhero show for years to come because he was a terrible man for the job... and portrays comic fans as the stereotypical losers people imagine them being. not all comic fans go to comic con and its embarrassing to the normal, average comic fan that those losers who dress up as superheroes or what have you make liking comics a guilty secret for alot of us.
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...BECAUSE THESE ARTICLES ARE SOLELY ABOUT NETWORK RATINGS.
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Maybe YOU should read your own posts:
This show will be underground after tonight, lol. Baseball will preempt it next week AND THE SHOW WILL NOT BE BACK FOR NOVEMBER SWEEPS. FOX'S SCHEDULE AFTER THE 10/16 PRE-EMPTION IS "TBA" ACCORDING TO AN INSIDER. Dollhouse is over and done. Deal with it.
Fox Schedule is TBA After 10/16 B-ball Hiatus - Which means Dollhouse is done.
There Are No Mitigating Factors...
Dollhouse's final airing is tonight, according to an insider.
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I still say transition the cast to film but treat the "Smallville" backstory through the lens of selective continuity. There's plenty of crap over the years to filter out. For example, ignore the deaths of Jonathan Kent, Lionel and Lex Luthor. But Tom Welling should be Superman on screen. Forget about Singer's attempt at the box office and get Welling suited up asap. Get McG as director as long as he drops his stupid moniker. Speaking of McG, he should seriously start thinking about bringing Supernatural to the big screen. I have a feeling The CW has about a year left to it before the network expires.
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You guys are shiting me, right?
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Are they just ripping off the Blackest Night storyline from the comics? If so, that might actually make me watch it. But seriously, am I the only one to think that this show should have ened like 5 years ago? Either he's Superman or he's Clark Kent, make up your minds already. Superman flies and wears a cape, would adding those into the story really change anything at this point? Would that really make the show less realistic? Since there's no Supes film in the near future why not just make Welling Superman and rebrand the show Metropolis like someone above already suggested?
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You people. You could talk about the shows; what you liked, what you didn't. You're qualified to do that, and it would be interesting.
Instead you talk about ratings and business strategies, which involve financial information you DON'T have, and wouldn't be qualified to pass interpret if you DID have. Since you're talking with a surfeit of information, you try to present your emotional reactions as fact, making up the difference with bluster and bravado.
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deserve a lot of credit for making the necessary changes and turning the show from the horrible mess it had become into something respectable. It’s not so easy fixing a broken show.
While it still has some serious issues and it strays far from the Superman of the comics (which I blame on the ineptness of the original show runners), this season so far is perhaps one of the best live-action incarnations featureing some of the key themes of Superman that we’ve seen in a long time.
I don’t mean to imply that it’s great now or that it’s a must-see show, but I do think it’s worth the less critical nerd-fans among us to watch. And it’s certainly worth giving these new (I guess they’re in their 2nd year?) showrunners a better time slot, better promotional efforts and - depending on how skillfully they handle the rest of the season and handle the Zod arc - another season or two. Or better yet, as other's have long said, make this the last season of Smallville, and start fresh with a new serious, mature Superman series.
This is how season 2 should’ve started...
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Clark is suppose to be a nerd. Lois Lane is suppose to fall for superman. wtf?!!!!
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Smallville is a different version of the Superman story. It's not supposed to be the same Superman story we know.
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that list of yours is lame! You have The Office as number 1!? Yeah maybe 3 years ago!WTF, Modern Family??? King Of Queens, Malcolm In The Middle and Everybody Hates Chris are 10X better than that dreck! Checkout "How I Met Your Mother!"Nip Tuck and Park and Rec? Try checking out Burn Notice and Venture Bros! Or Sons Of Anarchy!
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Lex is alive, barely... being kept living by Brainiacs technology.
His comeback could possibly involve a mechanized suit of armor. There is your inevitable call out to Iron Man fans.
This universe has established that Clark is the real guy and not the disguise. Superman is Clarks alter-ego, not the other way around as has previously been the case in previous versions.
So why not make his costume have a real tangible reason for its existence?
Superman can enlist the help from various of the technological, alien, or otherwise magical sources that have appeared on the show.
For instance look at Martian Manhunter... he is supposedly a private eye, how come nobody ever sees him for what he really looks like?
Could it be that he has alien technology woven into his coat that allows people to see a face that is different from that of the wearer?
Or he can even stumble upon the blanket he was wrapped in as a child coming down to earth. Martha may have put it away in a box or something. That blanket could easily be made of a material that would shield the childs identity from anyone looking at him while wearing the blanket. (not sure why i baby would need to hide his identity... but you get what im saying)
His suit should be the basis of what makes people not realize that he and Clark are the same guy.
If you give that power to the suit, then you remove any hokeyness that could ever be thrown the suits way.
The unanswered or badly answered reasoning behind why people cant tell between superman and kent has always been patently silly. Very similar to the reasoning behind why Green Lantern cant deal with the color yellow. But then as time has passed, talented writers have made plausible reasonings to that. Now its not some hokey allergy to yellow or whatever.
Same with Martian Manhunter and fire... the writers have worked out really good backstory to explain why he has a problem with fire.
Not so with the whole Clark/Superman double identity thing.
And this is a good opportunity to fix that.
So once he puts on that suit and Superman meets Lois Lane... she will not have the faintest idea that he is also Clark.
And besides, Zods around... at at least some version of Zod. Who knows what that dude is going to do to the Smallville universe of Superman.
For all we know Zods plan may be to throw a big reset button on things in order to get back home in his mind.
Therefore no dead Jimmy, no dead Lex, no Lois meeting Clark, no Davis Bloom, no Clark working for the Daily Planet, no Lana coming back from China, or better yet no Lana being saved in one of the many instances where she is about to be dead, etc...
This whole "crisis" makes Superboy finally become Superman, effectively ending the series.
He decides to leave for a few years to really finish his training in earnest... there is nothing left for him on earth anyway.
Most of his all acquaintances are gone/dead, those that remain no longer even know who he is... all due to Zods handiwork.
And while he is flying above the skies he hears the voices of people in a jet plane thats going down.
He rushes in and saves the day, kinda like old times.
But he is not the Blur, now he is Superman.
And inside the plane is Lois Lane, who doesnt know him... but is strangely attracted to Superman in some subconscious way.
She pesters him for an interview, the more he is near her, the more he misses sitting across the desk from her.
So as Clark he applies to go back to work at the Daily Planet... eventhough he is the only one that knows that he once worked there before.
And there you go, Smallville's mythology has been neatly (kinda) dovetailed into the general Superman mythology.
You can then go from there with a Superman movie starring Tom Welling and a new haircut... as well as recast any of the roles with bigger actors for the movie. Not a problem being that the movie should take place at least 10 years after the timeline of the end of Smallville. Everyone looks 10 years older, except Clark because he is superman and he ages a bit slower than humans.
Hell, if you want to keep the big mighty Nolanverse away from whatever possible Superman story eventually gets put on screen again... then simply make Tom Wellings Superman the basis of the Justice League movie.
That way you can recast Batman and redo his story as you see fit.
Recast Green Arrow with someone in his early 40's, reason enough to recast from the Smallville show. Maybe with flashbacks to his younger years using the actor from Smallville as a nice in joke.
Lots of ways you could work Smallville into a Superman movie or even a JLA movie... you just need people in charge with some imagination... and hopefully imagination much more interesting than what i just came up right now.
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It is not the same continuity as the films or comics, it is it's own version of superman mythology, it does not have to follow the story to the letter. So what if this Clark doesn't wear glasses or if Lex is dead?
Smallville is an original take on a timeless character, which is what is needed. They should turn into a big screen adaptation and use Braniac as the villain. And make it so Lois knows Clark is superman, that's one of the reasons the last film failed. No originality, the characters of Clark and Lois have been having the same interactions for decades.
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I know for a fact that Dollhouse will be back in 2 weeks. 100 percent, trust me. Not sure about November but it will definitely air the next 2 episodes.
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I'm confused...it doesn't look like it's #3 on that list...
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has all the money he'll ever need, so it's his workaholic ethic that keeps him going.The question is why he showed NBC so much loyalty when they basically pushed him out of the way for Conan (and fucked themselves). Sure, they stuck with him initially when many questioned why he got the gig over Letterman, but eventually, he repaid them in spades as TTS ruled the ratings.It will be interesting to see what would make NBC blink and pull Leno. I think the numbers still work for NBC, so the pressure is going to come externally, from the affiliates and the creative community that lost the 10PM slot. The network is already such a trainwreck that any sort of bad PR or mea culpa isn't going to have much impact, nor necessarily discourage some action.
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***BIG SPOILER ALERT!*** Lois will remember everything from the future by the mid-season finale, including Clark's identity. They're not beating around the bush this time (like they did with Lana). But in true Smallville fashion, there's a twist -----> People have ASSUMED that Lois' flashforwards are all taken from the [eventual] season finale, but they're not - some are taken from the mid-season finale!
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I will be writing my own reviews on The Zone, Coaxial. Smallville, Supernatural, Stargate. All the great shows AICN doesn't bother to review. First round will be up in a few hours.
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...solely on the dance performed by Victor/Kiki. Hot.
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I know it's back it 2 weeks for 2 eps; that's my point to jaydog if you care to go back & read this TB & Fridays nights.
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you have to remember when reading all these that Herc is only posting the 18-49 demo numbers not the total ratings that a show gets. Granted the 18-49 are the most important its not the only number.
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Smallville has been great since they kicked off the retarded no flights no tights show runners. Its been getting progressively better with each episode.
Dollhouse on the other hand.... After Epitah One all the crap they are showing now is moot. I want to see Epitah Two and continue from there with flashbacks as more is discovered. I sadly think Joss has lost his chaps for story telling :( -
Angel: After The Fall (aka Angel Season 5) was Angel at its best. Can Joss no longer write hour longs that keep pace with his comics?
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So I re-read my post that you quoted and missed the part where I said that Dollhouse was definitely not coming back after baseball. What I did say was that Dollhouse was done, and would be gone by November. And I stand by that now.
My explanation of how the TV business works was straight forward and to the point, and intended to dispel the mis-information that many seem to have, RE what networks do and do not generally care about when deciding when to keep a show on the air, and when a show is and is not profitable. My apologies if that model will negatively impact your favorite show. -J. -
This is the best news, I heard this week!
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I lot of great elements last night, then went out with a wimper. I totally thought they accidently turned ALL the dolls into serial killers with the glitch, not switched bodies. Epitath One will have to wait apparently.
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this season. I should catch up on Hulu. But, I wasn't a really big fan last season until the last few episodes with Alan Tudyk (however you spell his name) as Alpha. He rocked in Firefly.
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Oct 11, 2009 12:27:21 PM CDT
Whenever I hear news about Smallville I always think to myself..
by rbatty024
"Wow, that show is still around." The few times I've seen it I thought it was pretty bland, essentially Dawson's Creek meets Lois and Clark. Maybe it has gotten better over the years, but from what I've seen it in no way compares with some of the best versions of Superman.
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The reason I like aicn is that it had been a place to learn about great new shows. I kept seeing BSG talkbacks and gave it a chance and loved it. I NEVER went into those talkbacks because I didn't want to be spoiled, but the enthusiastic titles for bsg talkbacks is why i gave it a chance. It won't happen, but if people kept seeing talkback titles like bsg's for supernatural, i think more would try it. I don't want to spoil supernatural for people on these ratings talkbacks.SO, but making a misleading title about dollhouse, people might give it a chance, and not read the talkback so they do not know the specifics that made the title misleading. Thats the only reason I can think of for making the title of this tb misleading.
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lots of smallville talk, as there should be. the show defined mediocre for so long... then new showrunners stepped in and have really done the best they could possibly do with the extremely hit or miss (mostly miss) the show had been before them. I mean, going out and getting Geoff Johns to write an episode that was basically an adaptation of his action comics run with legion shows that these showrunners are doing their homework and doing there best to make this a legit elseworlds story. The show was extremely bland before these guys. The old showrunners were idiots because they REFUSED to just let clark move on and be done with lana... the most idiotic thing was that we ALL KNOW the REAL love story is lois and clark... we ALL KNOW lana is just a highschool sweetheart... WHY would I care at all about their 'will they won't they' drama when i know the relationship is doomed. Lana was the main problem that made the show worse and worse with every season she was on the show.
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My biggest beef with Smallville over the past few years has been the creeping Silver Age and Donner'isms that WB Films have dictated the series adopt. Shit can them. They are cliched and dated [and that includes the current run in the comics too]. Embrace Byrne's take. Just explain that Supes vibrates his face so people can't see what he truly looks like and Clark does not ever have to wear glasses or act like a dolt like the Donner take. FFS, watch ol' George Reeves in the role. Sure, he wore glasses but he was nobody's dolt.
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These guys are so fucking confused about what they want to do. They want to evolve smallville, but they hold him back because it could interfere with existing franchises. They want to distance themselves from Lois and Clark (tights/flight/romance) but they keep edging toward all of that. They can't decide what they want/don't want so they pick and choose parts of both, and neither. It's like getting your dick stroked, but she stops before you can blow a load, and keeps doing that again and again.
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You seriously use Angel: After the Fall as an example of Whedon succeeding in comics? Honestly? Buffy Season Eight is leagues better. Hell, even the 4 issue Spike: After the Fall is infinitely better than that Angel crap.
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Buffy s8 comic is crap. Buffys having a lesbian affair with one of her students as well as robbing banks but hey thats cool right!!! The whole arch is boring and I long ago lost interest.Its Just as bad as S7 and S6 with Whedon squeezing every last buck out of the Buffy franchise that he can.Fact is if JW name was not on it (same with Dollhouse) whom Herc and Fanboys think can do no wrong this would have been ditched long ago.
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i'm not joking, and up until that jeph loeb one-off where buffy's back in high school again (that's as far as i've gotten and it's awful) S8 has been magnificent
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WTF is up with him does he have a lisp now ?
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First of all, this is the most I've seen on SV at AICN. The show deserves comment--any sci-fi that's lasted this long deserves some props.
Second, comments here have been valuable both positive and negative.
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Agreed. With all of its flaws, Smallville has survived for nearly a decade, and we only get this backdoor talkback that, in its headline, is attempting to spin things to make Smallville look like its flailing in the ratings. Meanwhile Dollhouse- a show with a whopping 16 broadcasted episodes under its belt, on the verge of cancellation again, consistently gets its very own talkback week in and week out, with a misleading headline that somehow going from a 0.9 back to a still shitty 1.0 is a major coup. Am I the only one here who senses a bias? -J.
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They give reams of pages to shit like heroes and lost, but nothing for Smallville which has been on for 9 seasons!!!! Just because Herc doesn't like it there is no coverage! Gonna set me up my own site that covers decent shows rather than just headline grabbing ones!
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i wonder how the Dollhouse tech will malfunction next week
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Buffy season 8 is terrible. Haven't even bothered to try Angel given my dissapointment with the Buffy (and the Firefly comics, while not as terrible as Buffy, were pretty boring). But if you want to look at good Whedon comic writing, Fray was fantastic. Everytime I hear of a Whedon comic project, I get dissapointed cause it's not him revisiting that universe. Buffy and Angel have had their universe's explored pretty thoroughly, don't really need to go back to that well. I could use more Firefly, but the comic suffers with this particular series, in large part for me at least, just cause there's no way for the comics to capture the characters as uniquely and perfectly as the actors have. But i could definitely live with some more Fray, though I would miss Urkonn.
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"Whedon Flops Again".
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Great little episode, more effort went into Rabid than all of last season! Loved it, next weeks is going to be a blinder too!
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You guys obviously missed them. MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER!!!
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You ask why no one knows The manhunter is an alien is because he a shape shifter. He can look like who ever he wants to. And he's not a private eye in the show he is a police officer. You need to pay attention.
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shermdawg, with all due respect, i've been reading AICN for years and the number of times SV has been mentioned can be counted on one hand. Listen to the folks here--this is a good show worth a lot more coverage from one of the best sites on the net.
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Check out tvbythenumbers.com for the best ratings analysis on the web. He illustrates why Smallville is actually performing decently for CW's Fridays (but that doesn't mean they'd foot the bill for another season). Dollhouse, on the other hand... not so much.
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Oct 11, 2009 8:34:47 PM CDT
Yes, it is lame we have to resort to using this as a SV talkback
by hybridtheory
But Hercules doesn't like Smallville, so fair enough. He should be grateful he's in a position to be picky, other websites like EW.com and E! are forced into making Smallville discussion topics, because it increases their traffic (same goes for Bones too).
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The franchise has an incredibly long future ahead of itself, from potential movies and spin-offs, to a very long run in syndication world-over, and the prospect of reaching over 200 episodes and becoming the longest running sci-fi show in history will have both the CW and WB licking their lips.
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You know it will run 9 or 10 years even though the ratings are bad while FOX cancels shows after two months.
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Oct 11, 2009 8:48:46 PM CDT
Plus, the contracts are done, and the show's immune to the legal
by hybridtheory
Makes sense to keep a good thing going. Usually high budgets mixed with not-so-amazing ratings kill long-running dramas, but the CW only pay for half of SV's 2 million budget, and because the contracts for S10 are already signed by cast and crew, the budget's not going to increase anyway. It'd just be 22 more episodes of the same production value, which would be GREAT! (The only difference I foresee is no Chloe, but Erica Durance was already told by WB to NOT book any feature film projects in 2010-11, because if they get picked up for S10, she'll be in EVERY episode.)
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Tvbythenumbers: "Ok, perhaps rising from a series low that was very low isn’t anything to brag about. But, it’s at least better than setting another series low!" That's almost exactly what I said just by looking at the numbers with no knowledge of how it works... seems these people actually do their jobs UNBIASED and they DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
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Fox orders development of "Sci-Fi"/Western Series
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i087771e1f6660364cf8e8e1c83832524
Fox has roped in a Western drama from "Chuck" executive producer Scott Rosenbaum.
The untitled project, from Warner Bros. TV and McG's studio-based Wonderland Sound and Vision, has landed a script commitment with a significant penalty.
Described as an epic Western with a sci-fi twist, the show will revolve around "a gunslinger caught between worlds" and will feature a nod to "Planet of the Apes," said Rosenbaum, who is executive producing with Wonderland's McG and Peter Johnson -
Oct 11, 2009 9:33:53 PM CDT
"no.of times SV has been mentioned can be counted on 1 hand"
by hercules
AICN stories posted on Smallville in just the last 18 months:
http://bit.ly/nJ6Ej
Hundreds of "Smallville" posts here over the last decade.
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Do you not think a genre show in its NINTH season deserves at least that, instead of bias and ridicule like the "Earthbound" comment in this article? I personally think the show deserves a regular talkback, because it's everything a genre show should be, plus more! If Dollhouse and Heroes are worthy of talkback threads, why the hell not for SV, I say :D
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HybridTheory, Smallville sucks and it has since like season three. I can't believe I still watch it. They've done nothing but screw up the mythology and characters. The show should be great, but instead is mediocre in every way, especially since the studio has been working to slash its budget to nothing. Effects are now lame, the same sets are used again and again, and never have they addressed the need for a room full of GOOD writers that can really bring this show into their own while honoring the icon.
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Oct 11, 2009 10:16:18 PM CDT
Herc, respect is definitely the issue with SMALLVILLE on AICN
by spyguy
I mean, in all fairness, can you honestly say that Friday's episode of DOLLHOUSE was better than Friday's episode of SMALLVILLE? I watched both and SMALLVILLE was light-years better, but over the past year it's been DOLLHOUSE this and DOLLHOUSE that while people are practically begging for weekly SMALLVILLE, SUPERNATURAL and HOUSE talkbacks. A little genuine love without the snark won't kill you, honest.
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As the follow doesn't add up:
(1) Warner Bros. Television haven't cut the budget since Season 7, and even then, it was only reduced by $250,000 per episode. It has has remained the same since, a constant $2 million. And because Tom Welling signed a long-term talent-holding contract with WBTV for 2009 to 2011, his pay is no longer included in the series' above-the-line costs. This allowed the writers to give most the cast full-season contracts, and increased the below-the-line budget increased for S9. The visual effects so far in S9 are some of the best on television, there is no question about that. SGU (also 2M an episode) and BSG are the only series that compare.
(2) The series now follows its own mythology and characterisations. SV isn't bound by the comics or movies, and can do whatever it wants, with whatever characters it wants. For die-hard fans, it is probably hard to accept that Clark isn't Superman straight away, and is doing all his training without actually being in solitude, but for many viewers who do not follow the comics, it comes across as just natural character progression.
(3) The sets are used over-and-over again because the series is set in those specific locations, and because the series cannot afford to film in new locations weekly.
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When a filler episode can be that riveting, I can only imagine how awesome the rest of the season will be!
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"You libelous swine" I guess Herc got all the mileage he could out of the words 'antepenultimate / penultimate' so now he's found a new phrase that will continue to make it easy for all of us to see just how incredibly pretentious he is.
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Yes, smallville has gotten plenty of talkbacks, HOWEVER, the vast majority of them are put up when there's news like how doomsday, metallo, supergirl, legion, justice league etc. are going to be on the show. sometimes those episodes get talkbacks. But it isn't completely true to say it gets tons of talkbacks because (i would assume) those of us who want smallville talkbacks would rather have them DURING THE SEASON so we can actually TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SHOW.
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Oct 11, 2009 11:06:13 PM CDT
Smallville with Zombies was Jumping The Shark x100!
by theghostwholurks
I've been watching the show since Day One (even saw the pilot with the "other" Martha Kent) and when I switched it on Friday and saw Tess getting attacked by ZOMBIES in the Luthor Mansion (a place that has less security than my apartment), I immediately switched channels in disgust.That AIN'T good TV, folks... ripping off a genre that's been (pardon the pun) done to death over the past decade with endless variations and spoofs (including the current "Zombieland" film) is simply called LAZY WRITING. Especially when we all know it's all gonna be wrapped up in an hour with no ill effects. And after 9 seasons, having Clark hanging out with all of his famous friends and enemies WITHOUT glasses is simply ridiculous and nonsensical.Make up all of the half-assed excuses you want about Smallville "being in its own universe"; that doesn't change the simple and clear FACT that at some point, Clark HAS to become Superman, a hero who DOESN'T wear a mask and whose alter-ego as Clark Kent WEARS GLASSES, so no one knows they're the same person! This huge elephant-sized hole in the room is ALSO the result of BAD WRITING by the creators of Smallville, and though I liked the show when it first started, it has CLEARLY gone down the pooper in story quality and ingenuity regarding the characters.Anyone who thinks garbage like "fake Jimmy Olsen" and Metropolis zombies is GOOD writing either has terrible standards or has too much invested in the show and is simply lying to themselves.
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It was late, my brain mixed up Private Detective with regular Detective... which is what i meant.
And as far as Smallville is concerned, im not sure if it has shown Manhunter as being a shapeshifter. They havent explained any of that because they havent shown us his "martian" face.
Smallville has a way of changing the origins of some of the more fantastical characters in ways that make them a little less so.
Thats pretty much all i was speculating about.
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The Jon'n turned into a dragon in the show. It shows that he can change shape/form. Now a problem I have with the show is the fact that the Kryptonians in this alternate universe; Yes people its Elseworlds and not normal continuity. Are that the Kryptonians of Kandor should have absorbed enough of the yellow sun to get their powers. And the fact that a young Jor'El who "doesn't" look like Clark(when it's clearly shown in previous seasons that Jor'El looks just like him), walking around the Earth.
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WTF are you talking about?
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Dollhouse was better this week...why?...because they focused on someone other then Echo (Victor)...why don't the writers see that the best episodes are not Echo-centric...next episode is Sierra-centric followed by the Summer Glau episode...Dushku is hot as hell though...loved when she talked about females with 'fat asses' this week
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I am more than willing to accept that there have been problems along the way. Namely seasons 4 & 6 being terrible.
However, people are apparently forgetting that this is a different take on the Superman mythology, it does not have to follow the rules of the comics or films to the letter.
In fact, at this point in the show I am happy with Clark as he is... being Superman. Because he is!!!!! Who cares if he isnt wearing glasses, he has a good disguise, speed! And watching the Metallo episode, the part where Lois looks up and sees the Blur, seeing only the S on his chest. This was pure Superman.
Forget the red and blue, forget the glasses, in Smallville Clark Kent is Superman. Just a different, reinvented version.
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I'm surprised at you, Herc. Not the greatest time for sci-fi right now and those of us who love SV just want you to give it a bit more attention. What you have given it over the years has been grudging--it's just never stood out as a serious show for you. And it's okay to have your opinion but we're just saying--give those who like it a chance on this board--run some stories, start some conversation. Here I am talking about SV along with Dollhouse, etc. Doesn't a show that's lasted so long with a great fan base deserve to have attention paid to it all by itself?
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Well said!
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I got excited when they announced that comic. Only to find it it was utterly horrible. I quit reading around the 4-5th issue when Dawn was still giant from having sex.
Angel: After The Fall however was AMAZING it gave you complete closure, brought back what could be seen as Freliria. AND BEST OF ALL it didn't cop out. Hell was unleashed on all of Los Angelas and Angel couldn't save the day. It was up to vampire Gunn to kill him. AND THEN they even had the balls to do a time loop to where EVERY single person in LA remembers HELL LA and Champion Angel. Now if thats not storytelling I don't know what is... PFFT Giant Dawn -
The only casualty from Angel's team after the Season 4 finalie :(
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That bitch was tearing the whole dimension apart... How can you say Angel After The Fall was anywhere near as bad as the travesty that is Buffy Season 8?
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King Of Queens, Malcolm In The Middle. You know those shows have been done for awhile. And my list wasn't in any order. But How I Met Your Mother Sucks. Burn Notice and Sons are great, but they aren't really comedy.
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Surely you mean the Angel Season 5 finale? I agree with you that buffy season 8 was poor, but Angel After the fall started well and eventually descended into lunacy that completely disregarded the characters in favour of imporved versions who served the prepostrous storylines.
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....every morning I leave a "Raymar" in the porcelain goddess, sometimes you even have little yellow flecks!
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Here you go, folks...let the second-guessing begin:
"Premiere week DVR data is here and the results show that Fox's "Dollhouse" gained a higher percentage of additional viewers than nearly any other show.
The "Dollhouse" premiere jumped a stunning 50% when seven-day viewing is added.
Granted, the "Dollhouse" base was very low -- the show went from a 1.0 rating to a 1.5. Many other shows obviously gained far more than a half a point. But executives look at how much a show gained compared to its initial live-plus-same-day number, and to boost your rating by 50% is huge." -
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/dollhouse-shows-enormous-dvr-gains.html
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The Dollhouse bias is really grating, especially when we all know it doesn't stand a shadow of a chance of being picked up for more episodes.
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The DVR numbers basically bump the show back to where it was in *live* numbers middle of last season but it's still lower than Reilly's quoted expectations of 1.5 Live+SD going on 2.0 Live+7.
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...He's currently playing a 22-year old Clark Kent.
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No way.
In AATF all characters performed as they should. Their planet was in hell, Wes was under control of Wolfram and Hart, Spike didn't care anymore really, Angel was human, and Fred was splintered till they healed her to full form illirya, and THEN they finally wrapped up the Shanshu Storyline. Were we reading the same comic? -
Each season is usually a year in the story, so he'd be 23 normally, but Season 8's took place over a year and a half.
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...because they and the advertisers know that the commercials are skipped, and that's wher 90% of network revenue is derived. Dollhouse abyssmal live broadcast ratings (that pesky 1.0) costs FOX money. -J.
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dvr boost... big deal... everything will get a boost... and who watches commercials on dvr... its like a loser trying to say that if you take out the two detroit games, the packers record would go from 6-10 to 4-12. That makes no sense, because if you cancel out those games, the record will be 4-10... 4-12 means they would have lost those games, which didn't happen... plus, if you take out thsoe two wins, you need to take away the other two teams in the division and their records and the packers would be down the same amount of games...
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Nice analogy!
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I'm talking about there are now Kryptonians are on Earth. Thanks to last years opening of a violet crystal that held Kandorians DNA. Watch the show and you would know that. Also in previous seasons of SV, they showed a young Jor'El in SV, and he looked just like Clark. So they are screwing with the shows established continuity.
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for full season!!!!
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a talkbacker reports flashfoward is picked up for a full season... what does herc even do all day?
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And he's a 32 year old actor playing that 22/24 year old Clark Kent. Super "boy" is out of the equation at this point.
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And I heard it second hand on Twitter.
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Does Herc often report good news on shows that he openly dislikes, lol?
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Go back to your bridge, why doncha? You're a sad, sad man, even one step below that guy who always slams BSG and pushes SG.
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Ever heard of a rhetroical question? (*Hint*: That was one too). Keep your unwarranted personal attacks to yourself and try to stay on point, friend. -J.
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“We’re going to run all the episodes,” said Fox scheduling chief Preston Beckman. “We’re not saying we’re happy with those numbers, or accept them, but we don’t have to overreact. During [November] sweeps we might have to jack up the numbers a little [with other programming], but we plan on completing the order for this show.”
As for ordering additional episodes, or a third season, Fox says they will make that decision after the current run." This was the best case scenario for the show and its fans and will allow Whedon to give fans the closure they would want. Hopefully he finds a way to go out with a bang. -J.
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it's a doozy!
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You're just mad cuz I was right, lol. -J.
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I assure you, I'm laughing too.
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Stargate Universe rose a point in it's second week over it's premiere ratings (1.8 vs 1.7), beating Dollhouse for the second week in a row, and taking third place for the night overall.
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Although nothing really happened in Air pt3. Hoping for some aliens soon though, and from the episode synopsis later in the season looks like McKay will be turning up to lend a hand. Can't wait!
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Exactly. And there still won't be an SGU talkback. Smallville goes 9 seasons and no Smallville talkback. Heroes sets series low ratings, but has actually improved somewhat in quality lately (but still kicks Dollhouse's ratings ass), and Herc drops its talkback. Yet we literally get THREE Dollhouse oriented talkbacks in four days if you can believe that. For a show that is pre-empted this week, is last overall in ratings of all scripted shows on the Big Four networks, and is creatively unfocused and uneven at its best, and downright stupid at its worst. Come on. -J.
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Oct 13, 2009 9:46:00 AM CDT
BTW SG: Universe actually INCREASED ratings over the prem..!!!
by blhotz
How rare is that?!! WTB more Stargate talkbacks...
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Pretty good episode last week. I've been watching since S2. It's been a great show. I'm surprised that haven't tried to bring a Bruce Wayne/Batman as a guest appearance. I think the show really started to decline with the departure of Michael Rosenbaum. He was a great Lex Luthor. This new girl, Tess, is totally lame. I don't understand why they've held off on Clark learning he can fly.
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The producers have wanted to bring Bruce Wayne into the show for years, but Warner never let them because they have a succesful film franchise and were worried people might get confused.
Yeah they think people cant tell the difference between two different versions of the same character. Idiots.
Why did they want Smallville on the air, when all they ever did was give the people trying to make it such horrendous restrictions, i can understand no tights, but keeping the flight from us for such a long time is so out of order.
So because they were not allowed to bring in Bruce Wayne they used Oliver Queen/Green Arrow instead. He's cooler than batman anyway.
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"CBS’ decision to pick up a third season of “Flashpoint” bodes ill for the pricier “Numbers.”
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I seem to recall waaaaaay back when, when the Smallville first started, that Clark would never fly in the show until the very last episode. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that. I've never been able to understand that self-imposed rule either, as all it has down is basically forced them to turn Clark into the Flash all these years. Why is him still running around everywhere at super speed preferable to him just flying, esp this late in the game? -J.
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Well, might as well hijack the friday ratings tb for SGU if we're not gonna get another dedicated one. Though it left open to interpretation, I got the impression the whirlwind(s) were supposed to be a form of life as they seemingly acted in an intelligent manner independent of Scott's presence/hallucinations. I thought the episode itself was excellent- had good tension and character development (particularly loved the montage during the countdown and how LDP's character abuses Everett's body while using it) and a nice "WTH?" endnote (the shuttle launch). Greer (the psycho black guy) is being played well- he walks a dangerous line between possibly being one of the show's best characters or it's worst, but so far he's pulling it off. I think Air part 1 was still better, but 3 was better than 2. I was actually thinking it was a mistake not to air all three parts in one night, but the ratings seem to say otherwise.
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I don't think "schadenfreude" means what you think it means.
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