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EMBARGO LIFTED!! Leonard Nimoy And/Or Peter Graves In M:I 4?? Plus Looming Lunch With Shatner?? Hercules Meets J.J. Abrams!!
I am – Hercules!!
So there was this last-minute invitation to attend a Thursday morning press conference in Santa Monica, Calif., where J.J Abrams was plugging the DVD/Blu-ray release of his wonderful new “Star Trek” movie. I was perhaps the last journalist to arrive, sat in the back row, and was close to being the last of the questioners called upon. I enjoyed very much my exchange with Mr. Abrams, so I decided to transcribe it:
HERCULES: I am Hercules from Ain’t It Cool News. I wanted to ask you …
ABRAMS: [inevitably laughs at the grown man calling himself Hercules]
HERCULES: … a very nerdy question. Nicholas Meyer watched all 79 episodes of the original series before he directed “The Wrath of Khan.”
ABRAMS: Cool …
HERCULES: How many of the original episodes do you estimate you’d seen before directing your film?
ABRAMS: I watched most of the episodes. I watched, actually, a lot of them with my kids, and they loved it so much more than I ever thought they would and were scared to death! It was so cool to see these episodes through the eyes of a 7- or 8-year-old.
HERCULES: How many more do you estimate you have to go?
ABRAMS: First of all, you should come over, you should watch the other ones.
HERCULES: Anytime! [Laughter.]
ABRAMS: I just want to speak for a moment about Nicholas Meyer, who’s an amazing director and writer, and who was friends with my parents when I was a kid. And when I was a kid, among the other embarrassing things I would do – and there’s a list of stupid things – I would make these dumb comedy tapes. I would often make these prank phone calls and hold the phone but I would also, Greg Grunberg and I, make moronic comedy tapes. I vividly remember one night, though, when Nicholas Meyer was over for dinner, that he came to my room – and I was probably nine, maybe ten – and he and I made a tape together. And it was some stupid interview tape, and he and I were playing characters into each other. And he was just sort of a guy who was willing to be surreal and goofy. And I knew he was a writer but I didn’t know much else. But the idea that he would later go on and direct a Star Trek movie and even later I would, is so weird to me. And I’ve never discussed this because it’s obviously so painfully boring, [laughter] but it was one of those things, you know? And years later when he came to my bar mitzvah – which, you really should have been there [laughter] – he gave me “The Unabridged Sherlock Holmes,” which I still have, the two-volume book. It’s just bizarre to me, because I’m such a fan of the films he did. And, really, that was the height of my Star Trek fandom, when his films came out, I loved them. I also felt kind of a kinship kind of because I knew that guy. And it was just very surreal to be in those shoes, getting to say, “Action!”
HERCULES: I’m going to rudely add a follow-up …
ABRAMS: Please. [Laughter]
HERCULES: Can you rule out Leonard Nimoy reprising the role of Paris in “Mission: Impossible 4”?
ABRAMS: How cool would that be? Seriously?
HERCULES: I think it would be kinda cool!
ABRAMS: Actually, it’s kind of funny. I just got a call – which would be a very bizarre, for obvious reasons, bend in the sort of time-space continuum – but I got a call that Peter Graves [team leader Jim Phelps in the TV series] is in great shape! I’m not kidding. And I think there was a period of time when he did “Airplane!” and you’d think, “Oh my God!” But I almost feel like you could sort of serious-ize him again! So whether it’s Nimoy, who of course I have an incredible affinity for, or Graves, or anyone, I think having … I actually tried to get Martin Landau [master of disguise Roland Hand in the TV series] in “Mission 3,” in a very small little moment just for fun, and was told that he had no interest in doing it. But then, when I met him, after the movie came out, it was the greatest thing. We were at this restaurant in New York, it was one of the TV upfront parties, and someone introduced me to Landau. They took me over and Martin Landau came over to me, and extends his hand, and he goes like this [Abrams makes that classic “Mission: Impossible” grab for his own neck as if to yank off his own fake face]. That was the greatest thing I’d ever seen. [Much laughter]
Abrams spoke of many other things, including making the next “Trek” in 3D and a fast-approaching lunch he was going to have with William Shatner. If you can’t wait till somebody transcribes the rest of press conference, you can find my live, borderline-incomprehensible twitters from the event here.
My furious twittering, incidentally, allowed Abrams, whom I’d never met before Thursday’s press conference, to sneak up on me in the back of he room. “Dude!” he said as he grabbed my hand. Then he darted off to his next appointment.
Ain’t it cool?!?!
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and it's STILL a fucking awesome movie. Just wanted to say that.
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Is abrams involved in Fringe? Nimroy resurgence underway
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I got some ideas i've put out there, were just waiting for a solid story to lock down the script
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the both of them. They'll be propped up with tons of make up, shifty lighting, and stand still for every useless scene they're in. They'll do nothing whatsoever. Can't wait !
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and he looked pretty damn good for 87 or something, and there's Ernest Borgnine..maybe 80's the new 70...
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Good info though. Shatner is going to beg his way into the next Trek for sure. And does the mention of 3D scare anyone else? Sounds like a kids movie or horror film gimmick.
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Or maybe it just featured 100% fewer slow-motion motorcycle stoppies and slow motion dove action. A little late to beat this particular horse but holy shit did MI2 suck.
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is to get Graves, Nimoy, and any other original M:I actors in the fourth movie. This post will self-destruct in 10 seconds.
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Now that is cool.
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In other words, the movie sucked. Start with "A black hole is not a time portal" and go from there.
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Damn fucking right! Get Nimoy, Graves and Landue in there to show those pricks how its done! I don't care if they all are 106 y/o apiece, the new movies don't hold a candle to the original series.
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Herc, nice interview. Very short but you get points for the candid stuff!
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JJ's Trek kicked ass. You are not nor ever were a fan if you didn't dig it.
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Don't give a fuck how old these cats are. It's not like they will be fighting in their scenes.
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Oct 09, 2009 5:27:07 PM CDT
You interviewed AsimovLives' 2nd fave director?
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Next up: Michael Bay!
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Oct 09, 2009 5:28:03 PM CDT
Is JJ sitting on the toilet in that picture?
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
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If anyone watches Trek for scientific accuracy, you are a fucking shit-eating moron. It's called science-fiction for a reason. It's used merely as McGuffins and ways to move the plot forward. I do believe it was not a black hole in which they time traveled, but a worm hole created by the Red Matter. Big difference, but ultimately who gives a fuck! this isn't science class. Stop being a nitpicking cunt.
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all of his stuff BLOWS but somehow makes money. he got his shot because daddy is a producer. i guess people love seeing the same horrible shit over and over and over. but then studios are losing money, so that doesn't make sense anymore.
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Points off for the terrible Superman script, but thank Kirk it wasn't made so no harm done. The boy has gotta eat.
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didd it occur to anyone there to ask about him setting up the Dark Tower??? Seriously, I am dying to hear if and what he is working on for that.
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Oct 09, 2009 6:10:05 PM CDT
It should of been tited : AICN JJ Abrams Circle Jerk.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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Oct 09, 2009 6:12:07 PM CDT
Look on torrents... Download the Star Trek dvdrip.
by scriptgirl_nipples
Save your cash guys, and download that shit.
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SO pumped for Ethan Hunts return. The cameos sound good. Star Trek 2 in 3D?? Eh.. http://sickpicks.blogspot.com/
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He was Scotty in the Trek movie.
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Instead of her sinking down from the screen, you'll see her falling slow-mo like Alan Rickman in Die Hard.
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Make it so.
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original IMF return to show how it is done right
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Oct 09, 2009 6:47:36 PM CDT
Apparently these missions are not even close to being impossible
by kurdt420
I mean has there been even one that they failed to complete? It should be called "Mission Slightly Difficult"
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Oct 09, 2009 6:50:12 PM CDT
Yeah, and it only takes ONE GUY to complete the mission!
by lockesbrokenleg
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Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
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Must have missed that one.
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"...And if you put a piece of shit on a bun, it magically turns into a sloppy joe!"
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still love it. i will continue to support it. and to those of you who are about to tell me how ignorant i am, please know you are now only feeding my desire to support it further.
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GREAT! Maybe now AsimovLives(inhisownworldwheremathfunctionsdifferently) will FINALLY explain and defend his bizarro theory that there are three other Star Trek films that were more successful than Abrams' Trek.The adjusted box office gross of ST:TMP IN TODAY'S DOLLARS is $239 Million.Abrams film's final tally was approximately $145 million MORE than that. IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.I repeat: you pedantic portuguese putz: Your math is at least $145 MILLION DOLLARS OFF!You are either a complete and utter moron or the most blatant liar on AICN.
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IIRC, Dark Tower went undiscussed.
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With 3D lens glare thrown in for added zing!
Come on Abrams you fucktard!.. Make It So! -
When Jon Voight played him? Also, notice that Abrams never answered Herc's question. He probably only watched two or three episodes, tops.
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more outrageous coincidences, not to mention more lens flares, retard humor, and terrible plot devices with no story logic. Every movie and TV show Abrams has been involved with is an epic-critic-proof-masterpiece. Long live the GOD of entertainment and long live all Abrams related news. It's a tragic shame that Shatner hates our beloved master of film, lord and prophet "JIM JAM ARABS"(PBUH)
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Arabs and Tom Cruise Akbar need to make an epic $cientology blockbuster.
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I don't trust that Demand It thing, checked it a few days ago and it was going up in 3's and 4's then yesterday it was 7's & 8's now today it's 5's & 6's, it's rigged, rigged I tells ya! (still want to see it tho...)
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3D...
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Oct 09, 2009 8:18:35 PM CDT
CHRISTIANBALESBILEDUCT - JUST CAUGHT PARANORMAL ACTIVITY TONIGHT
by bringingsexyback
It is a must-see and lives up to the hype. Most excellent.
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But keep him the hell away from ST2
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im no JJ fan, but dude kicked it out of the park...fuck Asshole Lives and every cunt blindly following his holier than though fART movie bullshit
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She should beat the piss out of Nimoy. Topless.
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Heresy, heresy, Phelps was a traitor in MI-1.
But since Mr JJ can't maintain continuity between sequences in one movie, that will hardly be a consideration.
Peter Graves for a cameo, but not more than that.
I was just posting yesterday that the MI remake series was good. I must be psychotic--or something. -
Ahhhhh. I remember the good old days when AICN stories used to end this way, and when they actually deserved such a sendoff. This is certainly a story that does. Yes Herc, its very cool =).
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Oct 09, 2009 9:52:58 PM CDT
Michelle Monaghan needs to be in those skimpy black panties
by darfurontherocks2
for the entire movie
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Oct 09, 2009 10:00:03 PM CDT
"Click".....the sound of the door shutting reverberated in Abram
by conspiracy
it echoed off the polished floor, the cold black walls, the video screens. The silence was broken only by that "click"..and the sounds of 'him' walking down the hall, and Bobs strong exhale of burned tobacco.JJ...had a pale look about him; he removed his glasses...wiping the sweat from his forehead. "Well Bob...what the fuck do we do now? I knew we should not have gotten 'Him' involved in this." JJ glared at his co-conspirator. Bob looked unmoved...the smoke from his cigarette hanging above him like a cancerous cloud. "Well..Roberto?" Urged Abrams. "Look JJ..."said Orci,"...we needed the guy on board...we needed what he had for this shit to work. Don't worry about this fucking 'I want more' bullshit..I can handle him..and his fucking fairy friends." JJ looked at Orci hard...incredulous; after what had just transpired. Not 20 minutes after they had blackmailed Nimoy into appearing in Star Trek again, and he had stormed out with hate in his eyes; had 'He' showed up..all smiles, they ,am who had given them Nimoys weakness. How had He known this was the day they had made their move? How had He even known where they'd have approached Leonard. "Bob...this is alot more than I bargained for...Fucking with Nimoy was bad enough; now 'He' is twisting our arms for more..and issuing veiled warnings about Nimoys strength." Bemoaned JJ. Orci took a hard drag on his smoke...lifted the glass of Whiskey to his lips and washed down the taste of his least favorite of his many habits..."Fuck him too JJ..Fuck them Both..." Orci crowed, "No old school actor, and no fucking homo are going to pull down our fucking Star man...we own this fucking town.." JJ cut him off hard.."No Roberto...in less than an hour we have gotten right between the people who REALLY run this fucking town..." Abrams roared..fear in his eyes.."Homos and Hebs Bob...Homos and fucking Hebs...; Nimoy is old school Jewish Bob...but now I'm worried his shit goes too deep, too old school...I'm getting nervous about what he might do Roberto; and 'Him', that fucker is old school Velvet Mafia Bob...and now WE are between them". "We are THIS CLOSE..." said Abrams holding up his fingers just a hair apart,.."THIS FUCKING close to getting fucked hard by this shit..I can sense it.."Orci..sipped again at his drink...unmoved by Abrams hysterics..."Ok..I'll handle the Homo end of this shit JJ...but..Mr. 'ABRAMS'", Said Orci..accentuating his 'friends' last name, ..." YOU call Steven...if you are so concerned...it is time to play our ace." Abrams face paled further..." Steven?....I'd rather not..." JJ had gone this long not being entangled too tight in Speilbergs web..and he had hoped to never make THAT call, the call that would put them in his debt. But he was worried..the cryptic message 'He' had left them about Nimoy had rattled him bad. "What..afraid you can't handle good old Steve...afraid of being his 'Bitch'" Orci laughed..."Don't worry...I'm tight with Bay...he won't be paying you a visit in the middle of the night" Abrams had heard of those visits..."once Stevens Bitch Always Stevens Bitch" was the saying around town...and Bay had been under Speilbergs wing too long, JJ knew Orci's friendship could not protect him if Bay was set loose to settle a debt, no matter what BOB may think. Still...the call must be made..he needed advice...and he knew it would cost in the future. Orci grinned as Abrams picked up the phone..."Steven..this is JJ...I need some 'advice'".
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I can't get enough of shitty bought product cameoes in my shitty scifi reboots by people who don't understand the source material!!!!!
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Like many of you, I am also a fan of Nicholas Meyer and what he's contributed to the Star Trek universe. I am disappointed that his film Volunteers doesn't get recognised more than it does. I still watch it on occasion, and I think it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend seeking it out. I think it's one of Tom Hanks' best films. Anyone else agree?
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It opened today here in Indiana. Well, actually they had a midnight showing last night to kick it off here. Damn I wish I could've been there.Anyways, as far as I'm concerned the whole "demand it!" thing is just a bogus gimmic.Sit tight, I'm sure it'll be everywhere pretty soon.
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...pissing on things that other people enjoy is the only way they compensate for their lack of control and power over the shitty hand life has dealt them.
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Not a perfect movie, by any means, but come the fuck on, the only past Trek movie it didn't beat was Khan so we have no friggin' right to complain!! All Trek is flawed as fuck once you start thinking about the plot holes, coincidences, fake science etc., so why go into a whining frenzy all of a sudden just because Abrams' Trek followed suit?? The movie IS Star Trek for today. You want to go back to '87 or '67 be my fucking guest. But we've been there, done that, move the fuck on and over. Abrams' Trek is a million times better than a dead Trek movie franchise. Without the direction Abrams took it's likely we were NEVER going to see another Trek movie again. Ever. And a new TV series would have been unlikely. Just fuck yourselves, it was a great flick.
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Damn! I always thought MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE was a show about one guy, not a ensemble peice like the original writers intended.
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is really lame.
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You can be one of those uber nerds that makes their own DVD covers.
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JJ, make sure you don't let your fingers get too close to Shatner's food. You might come back with less than you started.
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it seems like it was a trend for this series. Also Abrams is a boring director, I don't want to see him do MI again. And keep Nimoy the fuck out of it
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... on the Letterman show.
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Oct 10, 2009 12:46:49 AM CDT
Kirk Prime deserves a better ending than what he got in Generati
by darth voodoo
Besides it would be cool to see Shatner and Nimoy one last time as Kirk and Spock on the big screen.
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You totally ignored/interupted his anecdote he shared with you! Bad bad bad interviewing form. Sure it was a moment to moment question scenario but still, I don't think he would have shared something so dorkishly personal with Entertainment Weekly. Still, he "Dude!"-ed you after so I guess he wasn't offended you took his story and treated it like a random burp...
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Seriously, all that Ethan had to do in his three films was to fight traitors. That IMF can't be any good if it produces so many Traitors. MI4 should be about the closing of that devision because the taxpayers are fed up with the fact that money is used by one of its secret services to fight itself than foreign threads.
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to prepare himself, is it any coincidence that his Trek movies are the best of them all? Pfft i bet this guy kind of just passed by his kids watching them once, i love hiw he just didn't answer that question at all.
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Look at these TB's sir. There is nothing these people would like more than to see Shatner and Nimoy and company staggering around on canes and walkers. They want Mr. T in the A-Team movie Bill Murray in the Ghostbusters 3 and they would resurrect John Wayne for True Grit 2 if they could. "Please don't burn my wubbie!" They cry for their childhood play things. It's sad.
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All those high expectations shattered by 20 year olds still clutching their copies of ESB.
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Just rip a mask of Voight and find out he's not Jim after all and that's it, you can bring back the REAL Phelps. Seriously didn't see any of the MI after being so disgusted with the end of 1 (even though I enjoyed it up to then) but get Graves and Nimoy reprising roles in the next one I'm there in a gunshot!
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Oct 10, 2009 3:06:22 AM CDT
"Better to have shit science, plot-hole-ridden, fake TREK..."
by burnhollywood
"...Than no TREK at all!"
Fuck, I'm getting tired of that non-argument. That, and a zillion dipshits with movie money can't be wrong...kinda went out the window when TRANSFORMERS 2 became the biggest hit of the year... -
MI3 was 'zokay until that full retard scene where Cruise assures his wife that firing an automatic pistol is as simple as "point and shoot"...Jeezus.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO to fix that scene is put the following lines in:
ETHAN HUNT: Can you handle an automatic?
JULIA: Honey, I grew up on a farm plinking beer cans with my dad's Colt...remember?
You see what I did there, Abrams? It's called VERISIMILITUDE. Look it up. Work on it. -
Trekkies can eat a dick.
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that explains everything!
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[THIS MESSAGE EMBARGOED UNTIL NOV. 2]
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Let BODENLAND UNBOUND speak, you fiends!!!!
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Star Trek had more plot holes than I've ever seen in a film before and the characters had a collective IQ of a glass of water.
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"I vividly remember one night, though, when Nicholas Meyer was over for dinner, that he came to my room – and I was probably nine, maybe ten – and he and I made a tape together."...I thought that story was about to head in a very different direction :)
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Put my boy Gunner Nelson back to work you nasty little bitches!
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films - "smart" things for lazy people. That's what his MI3 was. It was inferior to the first film, yet better than the second. That being said his visceral approach works for Trek, and I've always wanted an MI film where Rollin Hand and Cinnamon Carter figure into the story.
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now buzz off
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Sucking Jar Jar Abrams cock, AICN's favorite past-time. Extremely popular at the moment.
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That line is all kinds of funny. And retarded.
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The understatment of the decade right there, ladies and gentlemen.
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Tell it as it is.
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while doing magicking numerology to justify his favorite bullshit movie. Hey, buddy, how about you ADJUST TO INFLACTION the busdget of ST:TMP (which was, true production budge, 25 millions), to today's dollars and compare that to Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek abortion, and see where all that supposedly 125 millions at box office difference sinks in.Jar Jar Abrams's dick suckers will do anythign to justify their new favorite bullshit.
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Oct 10, 2009 8:35:17 AM CDT
cymbalta4thedevil, but more important then the movie's box offic
by asimovlives
is it's complete lack of quality and narrative logic. Explain to me, in detail, whjy i should mistake as a good the whole sequence where Spocki sends Kirk to a ice planet to his certain death for breach of command discipline, instead of put him in the brig. Explain why Old Spock, instead of running like hell to the nearest Federation *Post, which he knew the precise location and distanc,e instead decided to sit on his ass in a cave, so that he could SO CONVINIENTLY save Kirk from being eaten by Cloverfield Jr? and the idioticy of tyhat whole Hoth sequence doesn't stop there. I'd live to see any of the Jar Jar Abrams' Cunt Lickers provide a good solid explanation for all that bullshit other then the "who cares, it's FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!" and other retarded variations of that shit.
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Everytime i see that writen, i know i'm dealing with someone with very extremely limited intelligence with a love for repetition of dumb nonsensical lines like he's a mindless lemming. Which he is.
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More proof of how AICN sold their asses to Jar Jar Abrams... on the cheap. What a fucking disgrace.
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Oct 10, 2009 8:41:02 AM CDT
"Better to have shit science, plot-hole-ridden, fake TREK...
by asimovlives
...Than no TREK at all!"That is just so wrong, it's even beyond discussion. You can't get more wrong then that, truly.
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and Jar Jar Abrams' "movie" put the final nail in it's coffin. There is no Star Trek anymore. There's just a dumb, ugly, horrid, stupid homunculus pretender instead, trying to fill it's place and failing miserably at that.
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You HATE Abrams Trek. We all got it, months ago. And you know what? NO ONE CARES. Does the repetitive childish ranting tweak your sense of humour or something? Because otherwise there's really no point. Surely even you can see that. Give it a rest you'll feel better.
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As long as he uses more lens flare.
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I worry about the people you work/study with if you ever get your hands on an uzi
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[this comment embargoed until Nov 2nd]
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concept of the original series,in fact i would like for JJ to make a new MI series rather than a new movie.But i would like the series to use technology and espionage tactics which are real and used nowadays,rather than improvise futuristic gadgets which are used as deus ex machina.I want MI to be realistic,than campy like the old james bond movies with Q.
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Trying to tell people that Star Trek was moronic twaddle, badly written and badly directed is like pissing into the wind. Best not to bother. Let them all buy there DVD copies. Raging about it, isn't gonna stop them making another one. Abrams is a lucky hack who should stick with TV as he has no cinematic skills whatsoever. Kurtzman and Orci ... don't even know where to start with those idiots. Together they represent everything that's gone wrong with cinema - primarily, Box Office success is mistaken for talent!
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Oct 10, 2009 10:49:47 AM CDT
JettL93, yeah I thought you might be working on this too
by talkbacker with no name
Surprised you have time to tell us about it all.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPRZeExciGo
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ladies and gentlemen stfu and listen my laughs while i am reading the poetry of his writing.
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Oct 10, 2009 11:10:50 AM CDT
As stated earlier... Jim Phelps can just be the code name
by dougmckenzie
for the leader of the MI Team. That does let you bring back Graves easily. Bringing back Nimoy as Paris is great, but he was such a small part of that series, it is not the huge mind blower, like Graves coming back would be. Graves is the heart and soul of MI. But it would be quite awesome to see Hunt, Stickell, Gormley, and Lei (that's right have the whole team again), get themselves in a situation that only Phelps, Paris, and Rollin Hand can get them out of.(if Landau is in good enough health to even do a control room cameo with Pegg's character that would be great)
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AICN's gay for JJ!
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slowly and painfully executed.
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ive never seen any other mi movies but i found 3 really very...lame. i liked the cast a few of the scenes (shoot out scene on the bridge was great) but hoffman gave a freakin unbelievably awful performance as the villain and the parts with the mask sucked ass and how many of the scenes had to remind us of tom criuse's personal life? church scene felt like some sort of refrence to his scientology and even his girl in the movie kind of looked like katie holmes...weird
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and the pretedning to kill of hunt at the end of it? wtf was that? they had to crank up the dramatic music all the way to like it really was goona happen? who the hell believed that? stupid movie. if your gonna do it, do it! like denzel man on fire style. now that was sad.
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Oct 10, 2009 12:07:43 PM CDT
NIMOY: "I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THIS MUCH ACTION SINCE TAKEI
by bringingsexyback
and Majel teabagged me on C-Deck."
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Berman's Star Trek? C'mon. He tanked that franchise hardcore. Just when Cotto was bringing it back, Berman stepped in and made sure he delivered the killing blow with Enterprise's series finale. I don't get the bitching about the blackhole business either. How many things have created temporal anomalies in Trek history? Hell in Star Trek TOS and Trek IV they used the sun as time travel mechanism. In Yesterday's Enterprise it was intense phaser fire that made a timehole. Are these less ridiculous than a blackhole? More than that it has actually been postulated that blackholes and wormholes could have theoretical time travel possibilities (not the way it was used in Trek, mind you). Also, made up elements and such is a Star Trek staple. Anyone heard of Transparent Aluminum, Tritanium or Dilthium outside of Trek? So what's makes Red Matter any less ridiculous? Kirk making captain so young. TOS established he was the youngest captain in Starfleet history. So again, this really doesn't stray too far from Trekdom. There are far better things to argue concerning this movie. Those minor things are just arguments made by people who don't understand the source material. But you are free to love or hate that movie for whatever reasons you see fit. I thought it was OK...lens flares notwithstanding. And damn there were a lot of lens flares.
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That twist was my favorite thing about the original "Mission: Impossible". Retconning it would be stupid.
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Oct 10, 2009 12:23:40 PM CDT
SURE WOULD BE NICE TO SEE M:I AS A TEAM-ORIENTED MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
Think we'll get that someday?
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Oct 10, 2009 12:25:10 PM CDT
NIMOY: "J.J. WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO TOOK ME SERIOUSLY
by bringingsexyback
when I said, "I gotta eat.""
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Nuff said.
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Therein lies the problem.
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Anytime AICN posts a Star Trek article, your day is irrevocably forfeit, because you spend it screaming your hatred on the talkback. It's just a movie. Don't let it ruin your day.
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Oct 10, 2009 12:40:41 PM CDT
Have to agree with Mr. Asimov...Star trek Reboot was cute, but n
by 0101
Now, for people who are not big STAR TREK FANS and just enjoy seeing movies to relax and get away from it all, I completely understand and empathize with you.
Though I liked most of the actors in the film in other projects that they have done, As a STAR TREK FAN, I did not think the movie held up very well at all. Here's why...
The film was quite light on intelligence, and did not require a vast amount of contemplation at all. Too many inconsistancies with both real science, and star trek science(JJ, do you r homework young man! Transporters, once locked on to a person, don't just drop them off cliffs like they did with Spock's mother. It would have been better for a Klingon to just stab her in the chest rather than that bullshit transporter malfunction Shit!) also I didn't really dig the redesign of the ship. And what's with those silly looking Phasers that flipped around from stun to Kill? What, was there a sale at Toys R' Us that Weekend?
It was a fun Popcorn flick. But that's all.
What I personally want in a star trek film is something to think about like in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home. These movies were great. Very hard to beat though.
By the way... The whole point of Star Trek is to go forward, not backwards? Right? So why are we revisiting the 60's show in this movie?
I would rather see a new Captain in the future all together. Possibly 20 to 100 years from Picard's timeline.
It would be great if DATA woke up one morning and everything in STAR TREK NEMESIS was just a dream he had had. then we could begin the movie that should have been made...
STAR TREK: CONTUNUUM with Q as the main antagonist. That would be fun!
and I am available to write it if anyone out there in Hollywood is interested, contact me... Daigonjaunt@yahoo.com
Why is Hollywood so stuck on rebooting, and revamping so many great old movies and franchises? Oh yeah. I nearly forgot. The cashcow. Silly me! I actually thought moviemaking used to be about creating something better than before. Not repainting over another artists canvas.
While we're at it, we might as well Reboot Cassablanca, Gone With The Wind, Singin' In The Rain, Spartacus, The Godfather, STAR WARS... Oh wait a minute... They've already done that. Damn!
Maybe we should just blame the man who started this whole bullshit bandwagon that everyone has got on...
Yes. You GEORGE LUCAS! You seem to have popped a blood vessel or two!
Thanks for helping to make Hollywood mediocre and average once again. You Moron!
Sorry for the small rant there my fellow fans. He just really pisses me off these days. Such a shame, and a waste of what used to be my favorite Hollywood Director.
Nevertheless, I feel that this type of fluff really does not belong in Star trek. But if you enjoyed it, so be it! I Just personally demand better storytelling than that. And I guarantee that if you hold Hollywood accountable by waiting for cable, and not spending your hard earned paycheck on mediocre fluff, they will respond and create better stories for all to enjoy.
Come on JJ! Where is the brilliance you once showed in alias
and Lost. I really don't see it here at all.
Congratulations for making it in film, (lots more money!) but maybe you should stick to writing T.V.
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I don't hate Skank Trek to please anybody. I hate it becasue it's a retarded stupid piece of shit movie. What's so hard to understand about that? Though shit if you fanboys of that miserable fucking piece of shit movie get troubled by my negative opinion of that crap. You should have chosen better.
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I agree that the cast was really the only thing good to take from Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek. Otherwise, the movie is absolutly undefensable. And worst, not only it doesn't work as a Star trek movie, it doesn't work AS A MOVIE.The thing that puzzles me the most is that AICN and the geeks inhere have trashed and burned movies with far less problems then Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek, but for some magical reasion, Skank Trek is allowed to get away with murder. It's makes absolutly no bloody sense whatsoever.
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Now, for people who are not big STAR TREK FANS and just enjoy seeing movies to relax and get away from it all, I completely understand and empathize with you. Though I liked most of the actors in the film in other projects that they have done, As a STAR TREK FAN, I did not think the movie held up very well at all. Here's why... The film was quite light on intelligence, and did not require a vast amount of contemplation at all. Too many inconsistancies with both real science, and star trek science(JJ, do you r homework young man!) Transporters, once locked on to a person, don't just drop them off cliffs like they did with Spock's mother. It would have been better for a Klingon to just stab her in the chest rather than that bullshit transporter malfunction Shit!) also I didn't really dig the redesign of the ship. And what's with those silly looking Phasers that flipped around from stun to Kill? What, was there a sale at Toys R' Us that Weekend? It was a fun Popcorn flick. But that's all. What I personally want in a star trek film is something to think about like in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home. These movies were great. Very hard to beat though. By the way... The whole point of Star Trek is to go forward, not backwards? Right? So why are we revisiting the 60's show in this movie? I would rather see a new Captain in the future all together. Possibly 20 to 100 years from Picard's timeline. It would be great if DATA woke up one morning and everything in STAR TREK NEMESIS was just a dream he had had. then we could begin the movie that should have been made... STAR TREK: CONTUNUUM with Q as the main antagonist. That would be fun! and I am available to write it if anyone out there in Hollywood is interested, contact me... Daigonjaunt@yahoo.com Why is Hollywood so stuck on rebooting, and revamping so many great old movies and franchises? Oh yeah. I nearly forgot. The cashcow. Silly me! I actually thought moviemaking used to be about creating something better than before. Not repainting over another artists canvas. While we're at it, we might as well Reboot Cassablanca, Gone With The Wind, Singin' In The Rain, Spartacus, The Godfather, STAR WARS... Oh wait a minute... They've already done that. Damn! Maybe we should just blame the man who started this whole bullshit bandwagon that everyone has got on... Yes. You GEORGE LUCAS! You seem to have popped a blood vessel or two! Thanks for helping to make Hollywood mediocre and average once again. You Moron! Sorry for the small rant there my fellow fans. He just really pisses me off these days. Such a shame, and a waste of what used to be my favorite Hollywood Director. Nevertheless, I feel that this type of fluff really does not belong in Star trek. But if you enjoyed it, so be it! I Just personally demand better storytelling than that. And I guarantee that if you hold Hollywood accountable by waiting for cable, and not spending your hard earned paycheck on mediocre fluff, they will respond and create better stories for all to enjoy. Come on JJ! Where is the brilliance you once showed in alias and Lost. I really don't see it here at all. Congratulations for making it in film, (lots more money!) but maybe you should stick to writing T.V. You seem to be better at it.
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Thanks for your concern. but really, this is me having fun. Since the movie didn't provided any fun, in fact, the movie robbed me of my will to live and my capacity to be entertained for two hours, this is a deserved and just payback with a side line of fun. Loads of fun. If the mvoie doesn't provide fun for me, i'll have fun at it's expense. and it's shit filmmakers. And the idiots who support it.
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Now, for people who are not big STAR TREK FANS and just enjoy seeing movies to relax and get away from it all, I completely understand and empathize with you. Though I liked most of the actors in the film in other projects that they have done, As a STAR TREK FAN, I did not think the movie held up very well at all. Here's why... The film was quite light on intelligence, and did not require a vast amount of contemplation at all. Too many inconsistancies with both real science, and star trek science(JJ, do you r homework young man!) Transporters, once locked on to a person, don't just drop them off cliffs like they did with Spock's mother. It would have been better for a Klingon to just stab her in the chest rather than that bullshit transporter malfunction Shit!) also I didn't really dig the redesign of the ship. And what's with those silly looking Phasers that flipped around from stun to Kill? What, was there a sale at Toys R' Us that Weekend? It was a fun Popcorn flick. But that's all. What I personally want in a star trek film is something to think about like in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home. These movies were great. Very hard to beat though. By the way... The whole point of Star Trek is to go forward, not backwards? Right? So why are we revisiting the 60's show in this movie? I would rather see a new Captain in the future all together. Possibly 20 to 100 years from Picard's timeline. It would be great if DATA woke up one morning and everything in STAR TREK NEMESIS was just a dream he had had. then we could begin the movie that should have been made... STAR TREK: CONTUNUUM with Q as the main antagonist. That would be fun! and I am available to write it if anyone out there in Hollywood is interested, contact me... Daigonjaunt@yahoo.com Why is Hollywood so stuck on rebooting, and revamping so many great old movies and franchises? Oh yeah. I nearly forgot. The cashcow. Silly me! I actually thought moviemaking used to be about creating something better than before. Not repainting over another artists canvas. While we're at it, we might as well Reboot Cassablanca, Gone With The Wind, Singin' In The Rain, Spartacus, The Godfather, STAR WARS... Oh wait a minute... They've already done that. Damn! Maybe we should just blame the man who started this whole bullshit bandwagon that everyone has got on... Yes. You GEORGE LUCAS! You seem to have popped a blood vessel or two! Thanks for helping to make Hollywood mediocre and average once again. You Moron! Sorry for the small rant there my fellow fans. He just really pisses me off these days. Such a shame, and a waste of what used to be my favorite Hollywood Director. Nevertheless, I feel that this type of fluff really does not belong in Star trek. But if you enjoyed it, so be it! I Just personally demand better storytelling than that. And I guarantee that if you hold Hollywood accountable by waiting for cable, and not spending your hard earned paycheck on mediocre fluff, they will respond and create better stories for all to enjoy. Come on JJ! Where is the brilliance you once showed in alias and Lost. I really don't see it here at all. Congratulations for making it in film, (lots more money!) but maybe you should stick to writing T.V. You seem to be better at it.
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Oct 10, 2009 12:49:57 PM CDT
AsimovLives...helping a JJ talkback get to #1!
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Seriously dude, did you really HAVE to make TWELVE posts in a row there?!
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Now, for people who are not big STAR TREK FANS and just enjoy seeing movies to relax and get away from it all, I completely understand and empathize with you. Though I liked most of the actors in the film in other projects that they have done, As a STAR TREK FAN, I did not think the movie held up very well at all. Here's why... The film was quite light on intelligence, and did not require a vast amount of contemplation at all. Too many inconsistancies with both real science, and star trek science(JJ, do you r homework young man!) Transporters, once locked on to a person, don't just drop them off cliffs like they did with Spock's mother. It would have been better for a Klingon to just stab her in the chest rather than that bullshit transporter malfunction Shit!) also I didn't really dig the redesign of the ship. And what's with those silly looking Phasers that flipped around from stun to Kill? What, was there a sale at Toys R' Us that Weekend? It was a fun Popcorn flick. But that's all. What I personally want in a star trek film is something to think about like in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home. These movies were great. Very hard to beat though. By the way... The whole point of Star Trek is to go forward, not backwards? Right? So why are we revisiting the 60's show in this movie? I would rather see a new Captain in the future all together. Possibly 20 to 100 years from Picard's timeline. It would be great if DATA woke up one morning and everything in STAR TREK NEMESIS was just a dream he had had. then we could begin the movie that should have been made... STAR TREK: CONTUNUUM with Q as the main antagonist. That would be fun! and I am available to write it if anyone out there in Hollywood is interested, contact me... Daigonjaunt@yahoo.com Why is Hollywood so stuck on rebooting, and revamping so many great old movies and franchises? Oh yeah. I nearly forgot. The cashcow. Silly me! I actually thought moviemaking used to be about creating something better than before. Not repainting over another artists canvas. While we're at it, we might as well Reboot Cassablanca, Gone With The Wind, Singin' In The Rain, Spartacus, The Godfather, STAR WARS... Oh wait a minute... They've already done that. Damn! Maybe we should just blame the man who started this whole bullshit bandwagon that everyone has got on... Yes. You GEORGE LUCAS! You seem to have popped a blood vessel or two! Thanks for helping to make Hollywood mediocre and average once again. You Moron! Sorry for the small rant there my fellow fans. He just really pisses me off these days. Such a shame, and a waste of what used to be my favorite Hollywood Director. Nevertheless, I feel that this type of fluff really does not belong in Star trek. But if you enjoyed it, so be it! I Just personally demand better storytelling than that. And I guarantee that if you hold Hollywood accountable by waiting for cable, and not spending your hard earned paycheck on mediocre fluff, they will respond and create better stories for all to enjoy. Come on JJ! Where is the brilliance you once showed in alias and Lost. I really don't see it here at all. Congratulations for making it in film, (lots more money!) but maybe you should stick to writing T.V. You seem to be better at it.
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At least Berman showed respect for Star Trek. He might even had a problem of TOO MUCH RESPECT. But he respected it. He loved it. He just didn't had the minerals to deliver on the love he had. Or maybe, maybe, it's just that Star Trek had just been milked too much, and nothing Berman could do would make any difference.But Berman is far better at his failures then Jar Jar Abrams at his "sucess". Berman had respect. Jar Jar Abrams can't give a shit!! and it shows. Mix a completly untalented fuck ass hack like Abrams in charge of a once respected and intelligent franchise like Star Trek, and he turns it into a very bad joke of Star Wars, only very dumb and stupud, not to mention completly incoherent.How's Jar Jar Abrams compared to Berman? Very much fucking worst! Very much fucking worst! Berman was a Trek geek. Jar Jar Abrams is a fratboy smashing up somebody else's toys adn calling it fun. Fuck him.
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Fuck Jar Jar Abrams up his fucking ass.
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Because the vast majority of the audience is so utterly brain-dead that they'll swallow any bullshit they're given with a smile, we need the hysterical minority to preach the truth about the utter cluster-fuck that is 2000's Hollywood, even if it falls on deaf and dumb ears.
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Where he pulls out things to complain about Abrams' Trek. I'm sorry the lens flares blinded you so you couldn't SEE what was actually occuring onscreen. And the voices in your head kept you from HEARING plot points that were clearly expressed in dialogue or voiceover.How many FUCKING times do I have to EXPLAIN the PLOT of this movie to you HATERS?YoungSpock didn't banish Kirk to certain death on the ice planet Hoth. He put him in an Escape Pod PROGRAMMED to take him to the planet with the nearest FEDERATION BASE. The computer voice in the Pod TELLS HIM TO STAY WHERE HE IS BECAUSE THE BASE HAS BEEN INFORMED OF HIS LOCATION AND HE WILL BE RESCUED. I'm sorry the Computer's Universal Translator wasn't set to Portuguese so you could pick up on that information Spazimov!YoungSpock doesn't put Kirk in the brig because: Kirk would just break out and the whole thing would start over again! All you haters who are WHINING LIKE A STUCK PIG about this Brig Business would have PITCHED an even BIGGER BITCH if Kirk had broken out of there, or McCoy had drugged the guards or Uhura had done a fan dance to distract them etc. etc. How many fucking times have we seen THAT in STAR TREK?I will grant you that GrumpyOldSpock's rescue of Kirk and they're encounter with Scotty is all a BIG COINCEDENCE. To which I say: SO FUCKING WHAT? Do you not WANT Nimoy to be in this movie? Do you not WANT the conspicuously absent Scotty to show up & help Kirk save the day? And you call yourselves STAR TREK FANS?!You'll ACCEPT Chekov and his captain beaming down to THE WRONG FUCKING PLANET in your beloved ST: TWOK (somehow that other planet EXPLODING hasn't shown up on any Starfleet Monitoring Devices or Star Charts?) but you WON'T accept Kirk, Scotty and SeniorCitizenSpock bumping into each other on Hoth when the DIALOUGE AND VOICEOVERS CLEARLY EXPLAIN HOW AND WHY THEY GOT THERE?Pull your HEAD out of your ASS. Remove the Fecal Matter from your EYES and EARS. And WATCH THE FUCKING FILM AGAIN!Maybe you'll enjoy it this time.MILLIONS of other people ALREADY HAVE.
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Indeed. AICN uased to be very Gay for Bay. Now their favorite ass fucker machine is Jar Jar Abrams. I guess even Bay's abominable TRansformers movies rubbed the AICN's crew the wrong way and they finally ended their honeymoon with Bay. And now, it's time to go down on Jar Jar Abrams.This is what saddens me the most about AICN, they are always sucking the cock of some untalented "hit of the moment" hack. They should have know better.
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You know, in some ways, i hope all the people who duck at Jar Jar Abrasm's cock buy the Skank trek movie DVD. So tyo justify the making of a sequel. And you know why i wish a serquel is made? So i can have huge laughts at it. The first movie took me by suprise, i was jsut not expecting the level of stupid retarded bullshit it was going to get. Nor the blind brain-dead acceptance that mediocre piece of shit movie would get from the lemmings. But now, i know what i'm getting. and it will be a ball! It will be loads of fun! I'll laught like hell at the next movie's stupidity, retardness, idioticy and incompetence, and the of love the lemmings will have for it. It will be a blast!
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era would have been great.they can incorporate our new science discoveries and technological achievements into that series.In fact they can also make it a serious teenage drama to have an appeal to the younger generation.
The adventures,relationships,love,drama,failure and success,etc of a group of youngs attending the starfleet academy.
and u can have even Data starring in that series as their teacher.Ofc Spinner is old now,but Data has the ability to change his facial structure,so u can have a new good actor playing Data.You can have an old Picard as the director of the Academy,giving advice to the young ones and sharing his adventures,experience and wisdom and ofc u can have them traveling with the Enterprise as a way to gain the experience they need for their future duties.
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young spock used an escape pod and sent kirk to a federation base,because he was out of order.
let me rephrase it with modern terms.There is a battleship and its captain goes amok,and the protocol says that the second in command should use a boat with auto pilot and send him to their nearest base in the ocean.That arresting him,cuffing him and putting him in a jail room (which i am sure all modern war ships do have) is not the most simple,LOGICAL and ordinary thing to do?
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25th century as well, but centered around a planet on the edge of a recently discovered area of space known as the "Galactic Boundary", which was found by Federation scientists testing a new type of "Hyper-Beaming"...the show would feature a colony on the edge of the boundary, made up of a Federation outpost, a Klingon-Romulan Alliance outpost, and a sector belonging to the new bad guys, the "Ithros Conglomerate", with a neutral marketplace in the center; the three groups would have staked a claim on the same plateau, the only place in the planet not covered in toxic fumes. The colony would serve as a base for the three factions to go in and explore, colonize, and build political alliances with the civilizations inside the Galactic Boundary. The characters would include a middle-aged Officer in the Starfleet Diplomatic Corps., a young and hot-blooded female Federation scientist, an Andorian Security officer, an older Starfleet Commodore in command of the shipyard in orbit of the planet, a Vorta Councilor, a Muslim Augment, an AMH, or "Advanced Medical Hologram", and a former convict infused with modified borg tech called "Augmented Liner Interface", or ALI, among others. The two main ships working for the Federation would be the sister vessels USS Tiberius, a warship, and the USS Laffayette, a science ship. I've got a bunch more written down someplace...anywho, that's just a preliminary outline, and it's already better than the Idiot Abram's suckfest!
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... merely that you shut the fuck up about it now. If you even care, I thought it was completely mediocre. But if you think it's any worse than "Nemisis" you are fucking high. And for all the "Voyage Home" lovers out there: What the fuck are you smoking? I find it mildy entertaining for a variety reasons, but it has what very well may be the stupidest plot in Trek history. It is NOT a great or even very good movie. For the record: IMO there have been exactly TWO 'pretty decent' Trek films: "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact" in that order. The TV series are a different story; I love every single one of them. So Asimov, you blithering dipshit, and all you "real Trekkers" out there, you can go fuck yourselves, and the sooner you shut the fuck up about Trek in general, the better. Fuck you very much and have a fucked up day.
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... merely that you shut the fuck up about it now. If you even care, I thought it was completely mediocre. But if you think it's any worse than "Nemisis" you are fucking high. And for all the "Voyage Home" lovers out there: What the fuck are you smoking? I find it mildy entertaining for a variety reasons, but it has what very well may be the stupidest plot in Trek history. It is NOT a great or even very good movie. For the record: IMO there have been exactly TWO 'pretty decent' Trek films: "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact" in that order. The TV series are a different story; I love every single one of them. So Asimov, you blithering dipshit, and all you "real Trekkers" out there, you can go fuck yourselves, and the sooner you shut the fuck up about Trek in general, the better. Fuck you very much and have a fucked up day.
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Are you kidding me? That's why even though he saw the franchise was going down in flames he still kept going?! No, my friend. Berman loved his ego more than Trek. That's why he stepped in and took the last episode of Enterprise for himself when Manny Coto should have had the honors.
I'm mot one to get into geek debates like this, as it shows how much I know about things I'd rather not admit to. However, if you think Insurrection was better than Abrahm's Trek you got a screw loose. Kirk's death in Generations? Seriously? I've been a Trek fan for almost 30 years (good chunk of my life). Wrath of Kahn was the first movie I ever saw in the theater. As a fan I was offended by how Berman treated the franchise.
When I saw Abrahm's Trek I was skepticle. But say what you will, that story treated Trek with more respect than Berman ever did. And if you read the 4 issue comic prequel written by the people who wrote the movie you'd see that they even payed respect to the TNG crew.
For whatever reason you seem to have a real mad on for Abrahms and that's cool. I hate squirrels. But I've yet to see you make a cogent argument about what was wrong with that movie aside from saying that JJ Abrahms performs oral sex on males in his social cirlces while making a not-so-clever riff on his name by combining it with a Star Wars character.
Saying a movie sucked is not a viable argument. Nor is it an acceptable line of reasoning without some empirical data to back it up. You're empirical data is referencing his use of a certain type of camera effect, saying "It's shit" (pardon my vulgarity but I'm repsecting the source material here) and the afforementioned statements about Mr. Abrahm's sexual proclevities. I am suitably unimpressed.
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if JJ Abrams makes a film that's NOT a remake of a 60s TV show.
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Mission Impossible 3
Star Trek
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They will either call it SWAG TREK or will be titled 2.0 to differentiate from Wrath of Khan's roman numeralness. Sulu will run into Sulu prime (or should I say Sulu prime runs into Sulu, hee hee). Since we've established Kirk loves hip hop via his Beastie Boys g-ride he meets more hot alien chix and tells them to call him Kizirk. He also orders all uniforms to have more bling. Since we had America's fave blaq crossdresser as head of star fleet academy in part 1 we'll now have the original crossdresser Dustin Hoffman as an admiral. Commercial tie-ins will help the bottom line so tricorders look like ipods. Uhura (spl?) will be elected ruler of a planet, and shortly after being elected will be given the Federation Peace Prize DESPITE NOT HAVING ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING AND ONLY BECAUSE THE FEDERATION WANTS TO SPITE THE DUMBASS THAT WAS IN HER POSITION BEFORE HER. Owen wilson plays a red shirt that goes willingly to his death, winking at the camera saying "it's ok, this is what I want!" Will feature great dialogue like "is that your phaser in your pocket or are you happy to see me?" "what it do, sulu?" "Khan used to be Kirk's homeskillet idk why they're beefing now" and in a reversal of shatner's famous "KHAAAAAAAAAAAN" when Khan does/says something fuqed up to Kirk there will be an extreme close up on Chris Pine who will just shed a single tear with a lip quivering and very softly barely audibly say "khan."
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"Finally, a couple of Hollywood screenwriters that are treated like rock stars – or at least gurus of geek chic. Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are easily the hottest name-brand writing team in Tinseltown after a year of major hits including Star Trek, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and their producing efforts "Fringe" and The Proposal."
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Get people who don't care about roddenberry (spl?) to like it. Most people my age prefer Picard to everyone, and they started to like Kirk and his crew after this film.
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was directed at Assimovlives not the post that preceeded mine. Not saying that I love Abrahm's trek, but that I disagree with some of the reasons people have given as to why it had problems.
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Oct 10, 2009 1:46:45 PM CDT
It was late afternoon when Rabbi Moshe Zeigers phone rang...
by conspiracy
He had been expecting this call for hours...all day in fact...he knew it would come, he saw it in a vision so strong it woke him from a deep sleep the night before."Shalom....Leonard" said Moshe calmly, I've been waiting. Nimoy was not surprised The Rabbi was waiting, or that he knew that it was he who had called...many was the time he'd witnessed firsthand his extraordinary powers of foresight. "Gut-morgn bafrayndt mit" replied Nimoy,"HA! exclaimed The Rabbi...you've kept up your Yiddish..this is good, it will serve you for the test to come..against your enemies "; "...it is good to hear your voice again old friend."said Nimoy blankly..."So I understand you already kn...", "yes..yes..yes..."spoke Moshe quickly,"...I know all about this business...this schmendrik and the black souled Goy named Roberto...I know...I know.....Leonard...I warned you my son...15 would get you 25..." and Moshe made a 'tisking' sound. "I know Rabbi...but I am old...and foolish...and the flesh called to me, I was weak..and now...if only it was just some jail time, it would be better." sighed Nimoy, "No, my enemies seek to use my name again, to fuel their sucess...a pawn for their visions of mediocrity..and all because of this weakness....can you help" In the Background Shatner had risen..pacing the room, a nervous look in his eyes. This was a serious business, serious enough to call The Rabbi..., he played with the red string around his wrist...the sign of a believer in Kabbalah..Jewish Mysticism; and Bill knew that Moshe..."The Rabbi" was a practitioner to be respected...and if you were his enemy..Feared. Bill knew he had to help Leonard...he owed him, Leonard was the one who helped his deceased wife, god rest her soul; and the one who had hired half of Heidi Fleiss crew for him and flew the entire party to Cabo for a week long bender, where Shat had spent the better part of the time using the vagina of a 16yr old Asian girl as a shot glass. Yes...if nothing else he owed Leonard for Cabo...."Leonard..." Moshe said,"...they have been double crossed...they seek help from one of us, I have foreseen this. They will extend the hand of friendship..of sorrow...do not believe them, they only seek to delay you...". Nimoy spoke..."What should I do then Moshe...my revenge burns hot...advise me Rabbi..". Silence came from The Rabbi, then..."They will reach out to William first...they know he is your second and a good man...but he is a whore, and the lust for fame burns hot in him...they will extend a welcome to him, play upon his desires. We can use this Leonard...tell him to take the invitation...sit down with this JJ...this Benzona...break bread..put them at ease...we need time to plan ourselves...patience Leonard...revenge will come to them..and for the one who truly betrayed you to them" Nimoy shook with anger..."You...you know then my betrayer..the one close to me who sold my secret to these fucks!". Moshe sighed..."yes Leonard...he is close...you know him well...and that battle will involve many forces for he is well protected; for now concentrate upon these Bad Robot men...He can wait. I will make the calls...the wheels are in motion Leonard...A Gut Yor for now" said The Rabbi. "And goodbye to you my friend" replied Nimoy. He turned to Shatner...who stood cradling a bronze horse trophy like a comforting doll, face etched with fear and concern. "It has begun Bill...I need you to come back to Los Angeles with me...you...you need to arrange a lunch" Nimoy said flatly...eyes glistening with bloodlust..a smile upon his lips.
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JJ is not a bad creator,but if his job is to modernize old st masterpieces for the modern generation of consumers and not thinkers,then fuck him and his rebooted saga.
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that was a fucking fantastic writing. this scene will stay in my head for a long time ... i'm out for a whiskey and a smoke.
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really one of the main reason si am visiting the talkbacks is to read the next part of your story.keep up the good work sir.
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the previous part of this story was in Shatner's ranch,right?
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"..BUT JJ DEMANDS IT EVERY THURSDAY AFTER LUNCH. I WOULD THINK IT HUMILIATING BUT SPOCK GOTTA EAT. SO TO SPEAK."
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Haha Who are you paying back? Not the makers of the movie or the studio that's for sure. You are like one of those mad cunts that rant in the streets and people walk past feeling sorry for them. Glad you are having fun, but bear in mind we are laughing at you. Not with you, son.
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"OH HOW LITTLE I KNEW."
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the guy went live on stage in a game exhibition last year, to promote the,in developing, star trek mmorpg.The guy was talking for a half an hour,about how great that game is going to be.he is a true artist....
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"HAVING STAYED AWAY FROM THE HUNK OF SHIT KNOWN AS JJ'S TREK. HE MAY HAVE BANGED MAJEL IN THE POOPER BEHIND MY BACK, BUT AT LEAST THE GUY KNOWS A TURD WHEN HE SEES IT."
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"...THEN I SAID FUCK IT, RENTED STAR WARS, AND THAT'S THE MOVIE YOU FAGGOTS GOT."
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new trek,well at least thats what his son said.and i believe him,because although roddenbery is the creator of this franchise,its the ideas of a lot of other people that made star trek what is today.
maybe rodden would disagree with some of JJs ideas about the rebooted trek,but as long as it was a success,he would have applauded it. -
"....WAS REALLY A MASTERSTROKE ON MY PART. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE SPOCK'S FAMOUS PHRASE, AND THEN IT HIT ME. LET'S HAVE THE CHAIR MOVE BY ITSELF - BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FUTURE AND CONVENIENCES LIKE THAT WILL BE COMMONPLACE - AND SPOCK IS SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS AUTOMATION THAT HE SAYS 'FASCINATING'.
THE BEST PART IS THE THE AUDIENCES H0WLED WITH DELIGHT OVER WHAT IS, BASICALLY, A MOVING CHAIR. BUT THEN AGAIN, TODAY'S MOVING GOING FAGGOTS ARE EASILY AMUSED AND IMPRESSED AND THAT'S WHY I'VE STRUCK GOLD." -
...IN SPACE. WITHOUT THE NUDITY OF COURSE, BUT PLENTY OF HOMOEROTIC SWORDPLAY AND THE THINNEST OF PLOTS AND GAPING HOLES IN THE LOGIC."
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Next time I get in the mood..and a story pops up I can use...I'll give a quick summary..lmaoOur story till this point...JJ and Orcu blackmailed Nimoy...Nimoy in a rage flew to Shats and called the Rabbi; as this was happening a mysterious visitor, the one who betrayed Nimoys tastes called upon JJ and Orci demanding more than was agreed and implying that not only he, but Nimoy had the muscle to back up their shit..Orci was unmoved, the braggart, but JJ feeling the pressure called Steven to arrange for advice and maybe help.In the same timeline, but later that night..Megan Fox visited Bay, downtrodden and defeated after the failure of Jennifer's Body, knowing she was in for some shit. She walked in on Bay who had just taken care of Stevens errant bitch Shia..and who then dragged her up the hill himself to see Steven...payment for her bullshit was long overdue.Stay tuned for the next exciting adventure! Same TB time...Same TB Channel!
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Oct 10, 2009 2:17:29 PM CDT
Taintlick...Agreed..the moving chair scene was a master stroke!
by conspiracy
Who ever wrote that scene sure has their finger on the pulse of retards and the easily amused. A true genius.
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visitor who calls JJ and orci.do u remember where u posted it?
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Get Peter. Do Jim Phelps. Reveal that the guy in MI:1 was a fake Jim. For the love of god - the biggest hero I had as a kid can't be turned into a money-grubbing piece of shit traitor after all the stuff he did in the tv series. It's bullshit on a cosmic scale.
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Stupid.
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at the end of the very first bunch of this crap I did...no real scene...just a "Good afternoon Gentlemen" or something like that at the end. hence mysterious dude. A man of unique abilities...a string puller, master manipulator..a chameleon. lmao
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The Lucas, Speilberg Ford fan fucking is also occurring during all this. hahahaIf I'm drinking when I write the rest of THAT shit all I can say is Thank god for Hustler Magazine v. Falwell
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apparently.
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YOU TREAT THESE TB'S AS YOUR PRIVATE DUMPING GROUND AND SPREAD NOTHING BUT NEGATIVE VIBES AND HATE.
YOU CONSTANTLY POKE AT PEOPLE AND USE FOUL LANGUAGE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER.
CLEAN UP YOUR ACT OR SHIP OUT.
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"BUT THEN ALONG CAME TREK AND I THOUGHT, 'FUCK IT'. SO TREK JUST REALLY BECAME A STAR WARS REBOOT WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTER NAMES.
AND THE FAGGOTS THAT GO SEE MY MOVIES? NONE THE FUCKING WISER I GOTTA SAY. MAGIC." -
All Are Basis Belong To Me!!!
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Did it taste better than Judd Overrated Apatow's?
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Leonard Nimoy is John Locke.
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You caps lock loving freak. The year 1999 is calling you.
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Star Trek 2:The Dearth Of Imagination. The Clone Wars cartoon is better than fricken Star Trek De Abrams! The end credits of his Turd Trek were more imaginative than the whole movie! I don't especially care about plot holes, scientific inaccuracy, etc. on their own, but added up together with an unimaginative re-start to the "franchise", I don't foresee another generation of Trekkies(whatever) being inspired by this... Mission Impossible, never saw the show, and the two movies I did see were mostly forgettable.
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yep, I liked Star Trek. which, of course means I'm Greasing Jar Jar's Pole. I'm Gay For Bay. somehow I lack that infuriating faux superiority that has blessed a noisy select few. I guess I'm doomed to someday enjoy both Star Trek and A Serious Man in my dvd collection without spontaneously combusting from self flagellation. woe is my retarded ass.
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No, other side, buddy.
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AND, NO, I'M NOT GONNA FOLLOW YOU ON FUCKING TWITTER, HERC THE WHE-E-E-E-AK!!!
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LOCKESBROKENRECORD!!!
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You say you hate JJ Abrahms, but you sure know a lot about what he writes!!!!!!!!!
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GET A REAL NICK, YOU BORE.
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you dirtbag Other, AsimovLives!!!!!!
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YOU FUCKING JACOB KILLER!!!
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Your Winona Ryder joke made me remember the true excellend of Die Hard. I think I'm going to put watching it on my calendar for Thanksgiving weekend to start the Holidays.
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Oct 10, 2009 5:37:12 PM CDT
Cloverfield's a piece of [THIS ANSWER EMBARGOED UNTIL NOV. 2]
by missing dink
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And we don't even KNOW if that really WAS Jacob you paint huffer!!
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You Jar Jar Abrams fluffer!!!
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But, I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with "Maggot".
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This talkback is reserved for "Bring my Trek back" crybabies!
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abrams has some decent moves, but damn do his movies suck ass at the amount of shakey cam. JJ- if you watch any classic MGM Musical OR Kung Fu classic there is NO shaking, to obscure the action. the ACTION is enough to create action. people want to see the choreography, we want to see the laser fights, we want to see the punches. we do NOT want to see a blurry mess. PLEASE fix this for any film you do from now on, because shakey cam is the only thing from me from loving your films, instead of just liking them.
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YOU SUCK AT DIRECTING.
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I want at least 3 more Treks. Maybe 2 more Mission Impossibles!!
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- Leonard Nimoy
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Dude, why the fuck would a musical have shaky cam?
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-Tom Cruise
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signed - Nichelle Nichols.
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Then you can really have Dawson's Trek." - Tom Cruise
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- Bob Orci
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Oct 10, 2009 7:48:43 PM CDT
JJ, I am your biggest most bestest fan in the whole world
by asimov_lives
-LOCKESLIMPDICK
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signed - AssimovLives
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Like tom cruise running and an explosion BEHIND HIM, yet HE FLIES TO HIS LEFT and lands on the side of a car as of the explosion WAS ON HIS RIGHT? Thought Star Trek was coo' imo, MI4 too sappy and didn't really wow me despite somewhat going back to the team dynamic and not relying on Super Ethan. Besides that explosion, I thought it was really dumb when the suv Tom and Ving were in was flipping over Ving cried out "Ethan!" as if Tom could save him. Tom's not Superman, hell he's not even Neo, and Ving shouting out "Ethan!" made him look like a slave imo.
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not very good and very disappointing.
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OK guys, let's really think about this shit for a second logically. While I'm not going to argue that JJ's Trek or M:I was a masterpiece, I'm also not going to fool myself into thinking that that's what I'm going to get when I go see one of Abrams movies. He has always been AMAZING at taking some old formula, adding some old story and background and smearing it with Michael Bay-worthy action scenes, while not letting his films appear stupid and denigrating. His film AND TV approach has always been to give you something which is consistently good but never ever something with any true weight. The only thing you really need to figure out in terms of JJ is that he makes films for EXTREMELY LARGE demographic audiences (Star Trek made into a quasi-action film, M:I3, same deal) so don't think that he's making the movies for the geeks. We're MAYBE 1-5% and that's why most action movies and sequals suck. His movies are just solid enough to be good, nothing more, and nowadays, those types of movies are just hyped more so. OK, done rambling, hope you guys hear it
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But I'd put Leonard Nimoy on my celebrity death bracket if I had one.
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He is the star of my story..he can't just up and fucking die!
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So seriously, how did his penis nose look? Did he get that thing taken care of yet?
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And then I asked him if I could give him a reach around and he looked into my eyes and [answer embargoed until Nov 2] Seriously what the fuck is with this. How can you do an interview where THE INTERVIEWEE says something and you can't print it? Why even show up for the interview?? You tell me you don't feel like a shill after typing that shit in the brackets
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The other thing that I thought of was that if Peter Graves showed up (and for the record, making the most beloved MI character into a traitor and as an effect losing Peter Graves was an idiotic move.), he could say "Ethan, I am the real Jim Phelps. For matters of security and certain ongoing missions, when I retired it became necessary to have someone assume my identity, which is what that IMF agent did. Eventually the few people who knew the truth either died or kept their silence for my sake. My good name may have been destroyed, but I was safely in hiding, nobody the wiser."
Bring back Nimoy as well, and also maybe Phil Morris (from the 88 series. His dad Greg was on the original. Dead now) You could make this the movie 'Star Trek Generations' wasn't. A true crossover between the new and old teams. -
I never bothered watching the other 2 because 1 was such a huge disappointment. Phelps being the bad guy was a shark jumping moment for me.
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nobody reads your self indulgent dogshit...the flies are all over it..its dried up..nobody cares..you opinion means nothing, is of no value..the world continues to spin..you are of no consequence or relevance. You cannot rewrite the success of this movie..we know you are such a cunt you will never stop driveling about it in your smarmy 'only AsimovLives gets it' way..anyhow i'll leave you to the dim echoes of your self important ego..go ahead..waste more fuckin space
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before he became a nutty prancy midget he could have commanded JJ Abrams to kiss his boots. Now we have Tom Cruise pleading Abrams to make another shit Mission Impossible film. And Abrams somehow has enough pull in hollywood to make whatever shit show he wants or whatever film he wants.
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He's at home rolling around in piles of cash, and you're at home with a screaming wife and kids that suck.
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unfortunately i foresee it will only redouble fanasimov.
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Oct 11, 2009 2:42:46 AM CDT
Hey JJ! No one will remember the Mission Impossible movies
by ghostcuster
in decades to come. Don't waste your time on them. You have the potential to make classics.
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on a filmmaking level nobody has ever actually defended JJ's Star Trek film. People only say it was fun or cool. The hard facts are that the screenplay was atrocious and the directing TV-level. If anybody can present some evidence to the contrary i'd love to hear it.
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Abrams was unsurprisingly coy about details on his Star Trek sequel. There wasn’t anything concrete, but Abrams did mention that he’s excited about working with his Trek universe’s alternate timeline, and that he’ll continue to aim at a storyline that has more mass appeal. The latter certainly worked out well for him the first time around, and I would argue that being a bit too focused on the die-hard Trek fans was one of the many elements that led to the franchise’s staleness in the past decade.
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I just watched it again on DVD recently..you can argue it's TV level directing if you want..but the opening scenes are effective and yeh..MOVING. If that shit doesnt work for you your head is up your asshole..but then using Dune names..kinda answers that
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its all perception and opinion...you and asshole lives have yours..and your most welcome to them..just dont drivel on about it incessantly like he does..its a boring broken record..one thing you douchebags dont get is that maybe nobody cares enough to be arguing with you..they like it, they dont give a fuck if you dont.
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Wow! How do you not get locked down by one studio? My oh my, how do you find the time to work on this, when I'm sure you've been so hard at work on the Flash and Venom movies, not to mention the others. Garsh, you must be the best in the biz.
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Running up to directors, and actors when they are coming out of restaurants, and telling them your ideas before they get in the car,does NOT count as having a diner meeting with them. E-mailing your ideas for movies, to the studios, does NOT count as having input on anything.
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Oct 11, 2009 6:42:39 AM CDT
"My two favorite directors are JJ Abrams & Michael Bay"
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
- The ghost of Isaac Asimov.
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WHAT'S MOVING IS A GIANT DOODOO THROUGH MY SHITPIPE.
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of talkbackers coming on to this site with nothing more insgihtful to say then fuck him up his fucking ass or whats moving is a giant doodoo through my shitpipe. when the hell did this site attract such idiots. i am hereby calling for a new aint it cool news. its a long shot but it would be a site where people talk about movies and not engage in verbal silage throwing. and talk about movies. do profile pieces in various directors etc. do articles about the history of movie studios etc. this website need a major shake up or harry should just shut it down. and walkaway and its not like he is around this site much these days anyhow.
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has anyone else noticed, that harty has stopped talking about his wife.
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I didn't knew that nowdays shit is considered wonderful.
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Fuck Jar Jar Abrasm up his fucking ass.
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That defies everything humanly imaginable. Some people are born without taste, pure and simple.
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Somebody here is too desperate to justify their lazy ass ideas made from without any effort to try to acess what's really going on. It's the supreme laziness. and they htey use the old "it's all subjective" dumb excuse. God, what people do to justify their own laziness.
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Oct 11, 2009 8:43:46 AM CDT
EMERALDBOY - I STRONGLY AND VEHEMENTLY REJECT YOUR PROPOSAL
by bringingsexyback
Motion is denied!!!!
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"difference of opinion"?
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I laught everytime i read that. The suposedly moving stuff in the opening of Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek movie. If i were to believe this hack loving gits, aparently Jar Jar Abrams invented, for the very first time in movie history, the dramatic opener where a dad sacrifices his life for his family. This fuckign gits actually say and coment about that scene as if it was the very first time somebody had done it for a movie since ever. Give me a fucking break.I have seen sucvh nobility in movie before. And i have seen BETTER nobility before, where characters sacirifice their lives for the sake of people WHO NEVER KNEW BEFORE. instead of a more personal and selfish reason then to save his own sprogs and wifeys.In fact, putting Lil Kirk and the wife is just there for that, emotional manipulation. CHEAP EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION. A director and writers who knew what they are doign wouldn't need such cheap melodrama tactics. What's the probpek of having George Kirk die for the sake of strangers, and thus, doing a true heroic sacrifice? Why wouldn't that be good enough? Oh, because, like, you can't make cheap emotional manipulation! Which are the tools of hacks. To have a true heroic scene, tt would take a REAL STORYTELLER for that, wouldn't it? Which Jar Jar Abrams and Bob Porci aren't.The supposedly emotional moving start scene in Skank Trek? I WIPE MY ASS ON IT!
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and it shows.
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So? just because an opinion is different, it becames, by magic, above criticism? Since when?
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but I can't wait to see it again. When's the DVD due out?
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Oct 11, 2009 8:56:07 AM CDT
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRITICISM AND UNWARRANTED ATTACK
by bringingsexyback
We might have a difference on opinion on that, though.
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Nemesis is a weak misguided movie. Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek is a shit imcompetent mediocrity from start to finish. And if your post was an atempt to shut me up, all i have to ask you is this: what the fuck is wrong with you?
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I ask, again, to the Jar Jar Abrams fanboys to give me a logical answer. An answetr to a question i asked before. And to asnwer me to why a particular sequence in Skank Trek is so reasonable and such a good idea, and why it makes help it being such a good movie, according to you.What i want to ask you Jar Jar Abrasm fanboys is:1- Why it's such a good logical thing for Spock to send an undisciplined Kirk to Hoth on a automated pod to an ice covered glaciar palnet inhabited by murderous giant creatures?2- It's the future, and there's no brigs anybore on long distance vessels? Why was not Kirk arrested and sent to detendion? Why not broom board or soemthing? Why not handcuffed to one of the piped of the brewry engine room?3- What was Old Spock doing all this time sitting around in the ice cave? Old Spock knew the exactly that there was a federation outpost nearby, he knew it's exact coordinates, location and distance. Why didn't he hauled ass as soon he was sent to the Hoth planet?4- Why did Old Spock stayed put, instead of running to the federation outposts, so he could at least warn the Federation that there was a new threath, of wich he knew exact details about? Why, instead, he chosed to stay put and went to a cave?5- If Young Spock was so eager to marron Kirk on that particular ice planet, why did he decided to sent Kirk on a pod to the middle of nowhere? Why didn't Spock send Kirk directly to the Federation outpost? Why did Spock send kirk to the outback instead? To a place with anteartic temperatures, with bad bilzzard weather, and populated by evil big murderous creatures?6- Did Young Spock tried to deliberatly arrange for Kirk to get killed in the ice planet? Otherwise, how else to explain he sent Kirk not to the federation outpost but to the middle of nowhere? And why the pod was programmaed to crashland on the planet, instead of a soft landing? Was, again, Young Spock plotting Kirk's death? Either by impact and crash of the pod, or put him in a compeltly harsh antartic cold desert so he would die from cold? Or that the monstrous kuiller creatures would eat Kirk? Young Spock really wanted Kirk dead?Can any of the Jar Jar Abrams and Skank Trek fanboys provide a logical and reasonable explanation for all this? DO YOU EVEN DARE ANSWER?
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Why does Young Spock send Kirk to that ice planet, marroning him there? Is there no brigs on the future long distance vessels anymore? Why not arrest Kirk in some room? In the brooms room? Or handcuff him to one of the pipes in the brewry engine room of the ship? Why marroning him?
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Young Spock sends Kirk to a planet that's basically one giant Antartica. And he sends him on an automated pod that CRASHES on the ice. And the pod crashes in the middle of nowhere, during a blizzard. Did Spock wanted Kirk's dead? Why didn't Young Spock sent Kirk to the federation outpost that exists in that planet, where he could had at least some shelter and food (and company, as it turns out)?
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Are you retarded? cymbalta4thedevil already answered that question.
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let them have their fun,besides life is a circle,eventually quality cinema will return,and hacks like JJ and their fans will be a thing of the past.
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Oct 11, 2009 9:22:35 AM CDT
PROBLEMS THAT PLAGUED NEW TREK, ALSO DID THE PREQUELS
by bringingsexyback
But unlike Star Wars, New Trek had natural, free-flowing dialogue, organic performances, and action sequences that had tension and danger to them. So though it is far from perfect, it is still highly entertaining. But because of its flaws, it will never achieve classic status or be honored as any kind of cinematic achievement.
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Why was Old spock sitting around in that cave doign nothing? Why didn't Old spock, as soon as he was put on that planet, hauled ass to the federation outpost. The federation outpost which he knew THE EXACT LOCATION, he knew where it was, and how far it was. Why didn't he go there so he could provide the Federation a early warning about the new threat that was going on, a threat he knew EXACTLY what it was and WHAT it was. Why did he just sit there doing nothing?
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..."crash" to ground in sci-fi flicks -- almost always in movies where force shield and/or stasis tech is on display in other circumstances offering a viable explanation just how that would work.
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No, man, i want to see them answer this questions. I want to read from them their justifications for those questions. If this idiots are going to declare that Skank Trek is a good movie, i want them to give an answer to justify the stupidity of those sceens which are the basis for my questions.And you know why? Becasue i have seen AICN and the geeks trashing and burning movies with far less problems then Skank Trek. I want to see if there's some small level of reasonability and thinking behind the people who declare Skank Trek a good movie. Or if it's all just pure stupidity.
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which i wrote with modern terms in a previous post.And think about it with logic and not hypothesis.
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...there was a BLIZZARD. Did old Spock have anything with him indicating that he had the technological wherewithal to endure a blizzard on an arctic planet while traversing the landscape for God knows how many miles to the Federation outpost?
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ominus, you will never get that form that guy.
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They did it just fine soon after Kirk showed up, didn't they?No, man, next time, THINK before you provide an answer. Or should i call it, an appologetic bullshit excuse.
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Why was Spock just sitting in the cave? If he knew there an outpost, why wasn't he heading there?
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Comparing naval procedure from centuries before to the protocols of a fictional space Navy is rather tenuous at best.
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The "itr's FUUUUUUN" excuse the single most wrong asnwer you could provide. Because it means jack shit. It answers nothing. It's a coup out. It's the retard's answer. No, give A REAL ANSWER... if it's possible.
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Oct 11, 2009 9:33:12 AM CDT
"They did it just fine soon after Kirk showed up, didn't they?"
by docpazuzu
Here's a question for you, Asimovlives:
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...the single most wrong asnwer you could provide."
That's because you wouldn't know fun in any other form than the delicate pressure of a goat's rectum engulfing your minuscule, bent cock. -
Oct 11, 2009 9:40:57 AM CDT
Spock should've gave Kirk the Vulcan death grip......
by bizarroasimovlives
Then put him in the brig. But really, Kirk shouldn't had been there to begin with. Why would Bones, being Chief Medical, intentionally infect Kirk with an alien virus, bring him aboard a Star ship and put everyone aboard at risk?
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because:
1.in all the star trek episodes when a senior offices is out of order,he gets arrested and restrained in a jail-room or in his private room,until the spaceship arrives to a space station or base where he gets debarked.
In our world,if u look into the history of all the military navies from ancient history until now,u will see that the first thing that they do is to arrest the senior officer and guard him onboard until they reach one of their bases.
so using your logic and the canonical facts of the star trek universe and those of our real,own universe,i ask u: whats the most LOGICAL reaction of an officer towards his senior officer who is out of order? 1.restrain him with the help of the security which all the federation military starships (and our real ships) have 2.put him in an autopiloted pod and send him to the nearest base which is located on a unhospitable planet.
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But God forbid someone likes fun. Jeebus do you ask the guy who tucks you in at the roller coaster about coaster physics and construction before you let him hit the Start button? FFS!!!!
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That's a much better question. However, so much of Star Trek drama over the years has been precisely because of supposedly military personnel bending and/or breaking regulations that suddenly holding the new movie to impossibly high standards in that regard is silly.
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As it was established in the film, Spock was mentally and emotionally unstable and not fit for command, as his decision to maroon Kirk, among other things, proved.
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when u enjoy a mediocre movie like ST because it focuses mainly on unintelligent fun,then why should we criticize directors like Bay and MCG and their movies as terrible creations,when they too focus on unintelligent fun?
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Cause they're fucking Starfleet, not the US Navy!!!! It's an interplanetary institution with rules made by many fucking planets. And ejecting a mutineer is in title VI.221.2.43 of the Starfleet code, because we don't want a repeat of what happened on Ceti Gamma III!!!! That was tragic!
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Oct 11, 2009 9:51:03 AM CDT
SPOCK JUST SAW HIS HOME PLANET DESTROYED, NO MOOD TO HIKE
by bringingsexyback
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which means at least u do acknowledge that Spock's action is not according to protocol,although u dont admit it.So lets see your new justification of Spock's action.You say that he was emotionally unstable to command.Thats acceptable.So why the senior doctor officer of the starship whose one of the jobs is to always see if the commander is physically and mentally fit to command? what happened there? and not just the doctor but all the rest of the inferior officers,they see that Spock is doing something not according to protocol or logic,and they permit that? is this a military spaceship with trained officers or just a social meeting of cosplayers?
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your answer satisfies me
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For example, I just saw Paranormal and you could desconstruct it and point out a lot of gaps in logic and behavior. Really, it's quite easy to do. But that does not detract from it being extremely well acted, staged, filmed and edited. All these elements, when done right, provide for an enjoyable movie going experience, and override the flaws. That's what a good filmmaker should do - make a movie so good you don't notice, or do forgive, its flaws. Does Michael Bay do that with Transformers? For me, no. The acting is horrible, the dialogue is shit, the action is confusing and headache-inducing.
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of liking TF2,since every movie is flawed in a degree.although i cant imagine what are the good parts (except megan) of TF2 but anyway...
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That's why I've never insulted someone for liking TF2. Also because I haven't even seen it. I don't begrudge others for enjoying it though.
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It's not so much that I'm changing my argument as trying to introduce certain possibilities which wouldn't be a stretch in the Star Trek universe. I'm playing devil's advocate a bit in order to show that AsimovLives is being completely unreasonable and hilariously stringent about this film. he seems to want every single thing spelt out for him like he's some sort of idiot man-child, but than calls everyone else morons for filling in a few blanks.
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spelled, naturally.
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...how AsimovLives now has fled the field rather than answer my question.
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Make sure you queue it.
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I enjoyed G.I. Joe as well...
It was like watching the G.I.joe aisle at Walmart come to life. From the elaborate headquarters to the super-suits to the tricked out vehicles and it even had a story attached.
And to think I was ready to bash that movie from here to infinity. At least G.I Joe knew it was ridiculous and revelled in it. -
Oct 11, 2009 10:14:40 AM CDT
i hope that this post answers all questions and do realise..
by emeraldboy
that i am wasting my breath. but here goes. the movie is an origins film but it goes to the very heart of where kirk and spock came from. these two are joined at the hip for one reason. the both want neros head on a platter because they both are out for revenge. nero killed both spock's and kirks mothers and nero had earth in his sights because he wanted know what it was like to feel everlasting pain. i seem to be a minority about liking this film. this movie was the best and most entertaining film this summer. i saw transwrestlemania formers. which was the emptiest, stupidest film of the year. Christoph waltz was the only reason to go and IB. the scene in the restaurant. was chilling. and the opening was probably pound some of the best that qt has ever done. rest of movie was long winded. pitt was hilarious. it is a movie i dont want to see again.
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Oct 11, 2009 10:14:40 AM CDT
i hope that this post answers all questions and do realise..
by emeraldboy
that i am wasting my breath. but here goes. the movie is an origins film but it goes to the very heart of where kirk and spock came from. these two are joined at the hip for one reason. the both want neros head on a platter because they both are out for revenge. nero killed both spock's and kirks mothers and nero had earth in his sights because he wanted know what it was like to feel everlasting pain. i seem to be a minority about liking this film. this movie was the best and most entertaining film this summer. i saw transwrestlemania formers. which was the emptiest, stupidest film of the year. Christoph waltz was the only reason to go and IB. the scene in the restaurant. was chilling. and the opening was probably pound some of the best that qt has ever done. rest of movie was long winded. pitt was hilarious. it is a movie i dont want to see again.
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But little did I know how much more action proceeded it. Kicked ass!
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trying to apply logic to any screenplay of his is an exercise in futility, memorizing and understanding all 10000 pages of the Federal Tax Code is easier than trying to determine his reasoning behind a given scene. The man simply throws out ideas and half formed scenarios that fit the moment without regard to the larger picture...and for 95% of the viewing public this is fine, as they have the attention span and intellectual capacity of a 2 year old with ADD. In fact Bob might be some kind of screenwriting savant, as when it comes to knowing what the lowest common denominator desires the fucker is spot on.My friends...you all have perfectly valid questions; Why did Spock not just lock Kirk in the brig; How did Old Spock know there was an outpost; by what idea of astrophysics did they decide to make the theoretical singularity of a black hole a time portal (I say they ripped it from Disneys blackhole theory in 'The Black Hole"), etc...? But you are asking too much of JJ and Bob...these are TACTICAL film makers...Special Ops guys who come in, hit the targeted Demographic hard, load up the brinks truck and get outta dodge before anyone can ask questions...they fill the need of the here and now...strategic thinking is not their thing.So stop this petty bickering friends...pop open that Natty Ice, load up that Bong, and sit back and watch the pretty Lens Flares. It isn't art...the script is junk...hell, it isn't even good film making...; but at least the actors are good enough to make it watchable. No, not a GREAT movie...but watchable if it is free.
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how about this. where the hell did the fallen come from. not even a mention in the previous movie. and bang we have a movie title that makes no sense at all. just like the last 1 hr of the movie.
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Leave him alone...he has his place in Hollywood and is doing the best he can. You wouldn't walk into a special Education room, walk over to the worst student in the class...pick up their finger painting they had worked all day on and tear it up in their face while screaming.."This isn't a Flower...this is fucking shit" would you? No, you wouldn't. So don't hammer Bob too hard on the TF script...just pat him on the head, and give him his Gold Star for trying.
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That would have been the perfect title for that train wreck
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than all of Hollywood, Conspiracy being one of them.
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Kirk and his crew STEAL a Starfleet vessel, sabotage another and go off on a mission ON THEIR OWN, engage vessels of an enemy fleet, DESTROY the Starfleet vessel, commandeer an enemy craft, GO BACK IN TIME WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION in order to CHANGE HISTORY, and what was Admiral Kirk's punishment?
He got busted to Captain -- a rank everyone at Starfleet knew he wanted all along.
Does it make sense? Hell no. Is it fun? Fuck yes.
Is it Abrams' Star trek? No, it's Star Trek III and IV.
Those of you bitching about Kirk and his crew breaching protocol as being something new and uncanonical really need to STFU. -
transwresltemania formers.
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JJ abrams star trek. its this. the romulans and the vulcans have nothing in common. so whats with all this stuff about we share a common ancestry. really when? where?
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It was made clear. It was Old Spock himself who said to Kirk where the outpost was. It was even his idea, his plan, to go there. But only when Kirk arrived. And why does he do so? The REAL answer is quite simple, in fact: it's a plot convinience to help advance the story and allow kirk to leave a predictment throygh the means of a deux ex machina. Basically, the writers wrote themselves into a plot dead end and they came up with a very convinient coincidence to advance the plot. Which, in common parleur, is called CHEATING.
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speacilly an appologist of shit dumb movies. It's those appologists for said dumb shit mvoies who know nothing of what fun is all about.
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That's the premise for the whole way the Federation operates,a nd the proceduals onboard a starship in the Star Trek universe, they act EXACTLY LIKE THE NAVY. Any random episode of ST:TOS shows many naval precedual, and CORRECT naval procedual.but in Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek, the Federation is a FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL. Adn starships are awarded for good behavior the same way a teen gets the keys of a car. The Federation in Skank Trek MAKES ABSOLUTLY NO FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER.
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what do u expect the federation should do after that? trow them in prison? they would have been an outcry then in the whole federation,and dont forget no death was caused directly by Kirk's illegal actions.
Now if u want to rant about something,talk about the scene in ST2 where Scottie brings his badly injured nephew to the bridge instead of the sick bay !!!!! yeah dramatically it works in the movie,but from a logical point of view,oh boy does Scottie,a genius engineer, do something totally stupid or not? -
Oct 11, 2009 11:48:04 AM CDT
The "Spock was in an emotional turmoil" stuff is another coup ou
by asimovlives
The "Spock was in an emotional turmoil" stuff is another coup out of the movie. Bullshit. Spock is the guy who was so advanced in his logic that he not only was awared top rank in the Vulcan Academy, he was offered a seat at the counsil, a rare honour, totally unheared of for somebody who had just been a student. and yes, this mastermind vulcan gets into an emotional fit in the quick because his mother died? and that's evne the worst thing, in the movie, Spock goes emotional BECAUSE HIS MOMMY DIED. not because BILLIONS OF VULCANS DIED including his mother, but because mommy died. fuck off, man, really! Fuck off! That shit isn't Star Trek. In real Star trek, Spock would act in his old logical self, and it would be the others who would coment on HIS LACK OF EMOTIONS, and how could he act fo coldly give what went before. And Spock, of cours,e would provide one of his trademark eloquente replçies where right now they had a much bigger issue to deal with that they could not afford to comensurate about tragedies, because it would be a distraction in their atempt to avoid more tragedies.But the fuck asses who wrote and directed Skank Trek, they can't understand the notion of logic over feelings. they can't udnerstand the notion of logic for duty over emotionalisms. they don't evne understand the universe they inherent and were given the keys. they know less about Star Trek then even the most casual viewer, like myself. They know jack shit! And it shows. A LOT!
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I don't like Star Tre 4: Save The Whales much, but that movie has one thing that is quite very smart, and it's totally in tune to the way the military operate.Remember, by the end of the movie, the Enterprise crew saves Earth. And yet, they are still brough for court marcial. And that's how it's done. Even if they saved Earth, they still did criminal acts which shouldn't go untrialed. and they do indeed get trail, and they get disciplinary punishments. And then, they have mitigatin circunstances to their favour, which helps their carrers from terminating right there and then. Everybody gets a pardon, except Kirk which gets demoted to Captain.And that's how you do it. If you have a movie about military, even future military, and if the military is mirrior on today's navy, which is the most disciplined military branch in all armed forces around the world, then this is how you do it.What you do not do it is how it was done in Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek, where both Kirk and spock behaved compeltly unlike what's expected from officers and gentlemen and men, they acted like spoiled brats which only way to advance their ways was to play tricks and pranks to each other, or to abuse authority to the point of marroning a fellow crewmenber to a planet that spelled certain death. Even with saving Earth, this two idiots would still get expelled. everybody with two brain-cells in the Federation counsuil would understand this two idiot sonly got away with saving the world my luck then merit. And none ever displayed any kind of knowing how to act as commanding officers, and showed always poor judgement, with incredible conflicting type personalities. This guys would get a "Thank you for saving the world" and a boot out of the Federation. This guys would be put as cilivians faster then speed of light. Because, as according to the movie Skank Trek, Kirk and spock ALWAYS act like civilians. In fact, E4VERYBODY acts like civilians, even the supposedly wise Captain Pike.Skank Trek is a movie writen and directed by fools who know jack shit about the military, and don't even fucking bothered to know because they are too fucking lazy and stupid.
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When Old Spo9ck was marroned on Hoth by Nero, we get a flashback of that. And when that happesn, there's no blizzard. In fact, the weather is so clear, Spock can see the explosion of Vulcan quite well with great detail. Now, the REAL STAR TREK Spock, as soon he would be put ther,e he wouldn't waste time watching te vistas and waiting for the final destruction of Vulcan, as soon he would had been put there, he would had haul ass to the outpost, taking advantage of the good weather. which, given his knowledge of the place (so muich he knows exact coordenates of the outpost), he knew that blizzards would be common. So, take advantage of good weather, there's an urgent dangerous matter, spock, the REAL SPOCK, whould haul ass to thefederation outpost to try to warn the Federation of the Nero's threat.That's what Spock, the logical dude, would do. What the humuncous substitute that Jar Jar Abrams and bob Porci created to replace spock did, he just stodd there watchign the show,a nd then seated in his ass in a cave waiting for the next dramatic deux ex machina to happen. Because the fucking idiots who wrote and direct Skank Trek know jack shit about logic, and jack shit about narrative and plot and character consistency and logic. They know nothing. They are idiots. And they made Spock idiot.
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No, they hav enot a different set of rules. The Federation of Star Trek acts EXACTLY like the navy. It's uncanny how correct and accurate the TOS Star Trek is regarding the navy preceduals. You assume it's different is more a reflection of your ignorance of the navy then anything else. The Federation IS THE US NAVY IN SPACE. but you do not know it. and neither did Jar Jar Abrams and Bob Porci. and it shows in their fucking movie. In their fucking movie, the Federation is high school.
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Fuck Bob Orci up his fucking ass.
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Fuck Jar Jar Abrams up his fucking ass.
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someone else used the correct word about this: ventiluiqism something
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Oct 11, 2009 12:11:58 PM CDT
RODDENBERRY: "MY IDEA OF FUN IS FIST-PUMPING MAJEL'S POOPER"
by bringingsexyback
"not watching my classic creation bastardized by talentless hacks."
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And yes, one can argue that's exactly the approach Sommers had towards GI Joe.
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The outrageous shit in both ST3 and ST4 is at least as stupid as in Abrams' Trek. Claiming that just because they stood before a military tribunal it was all kosher is the biggest fucking cop-out of this whole conversation. Talk about tacking on a formality in order to completely dismiss every fucking thing Kirk and his crew had to do in order to serve the narrative of the story.
Face it, AssLives, logic has been bent, contorted and snapped like a twig in the Star Trek saga numerous times. The fact that you single out Abrams' Trek as a scapegoat makes you a grotesque, shrill hypocrite rather than someone with legitimate qualms about the movie. Revenge_of_Fett pulled that same anal nitpicking shit when it came to District 9 and he was as laughable as you are. -
it goes to the very heart of where kirk and spock came from"THAT'S FUCKING HYSTERICAL!!!!! You know, yes, this movie goes to the heart of where Spock and Kirk came from... THE SKANK TREK VERSION OF THOSE CHARACTERS! As an origin story gfor the parody clown ass versions of the classic characters as presented by Skank Trek,it works fine. As a story of the very heart of the classic Spock and Kirk characters as seen in the TOS and the movies, it's a complete travestry and completly clueness. It's as if it was writen by people WHO HATE KIRK AND SPOCK and wanted to make a joke at it.Jesus bloody christ, the shit the appologists came up with to justify their new favorite shit dumb stupid movie.
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Oct 11, 2009 12:17:56 PM CDT
emeraldboy, the best summer movie this year is DISTRICT 9
by asimovlives
It's not even discussible! Skank Trek doesn't even exist in the same solar system of District 9. District 9 is the real deal, and the ONLY REALLY GOOD SUMMER MOVIE OF THE YEAR, as summer movies are understood, aka, entertaiment only aimed blockbusters. District 9 IS the real summer's movie. It's evne an insult to district 9 to mention the name of Skank Trek as a sumemr movie, much less mistaking it as a "good" summer movie.
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Oct 11, 2009 12:18:27 PM CDT
Skank Trek is not good enough to be washed down the toilet
by asimovlives
The toilet is too good for it.
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Oct 11, 2009 12:23:46 PM CDT
ONE CAN ARGUE THAT JJ HAD TO JETTISON STIFF STARFLEET PROTOCOLS
by bringingsexyback
and make New Trek fun, lest we have another Trek turd on our hands like we did the last 18 years.
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1) Is it clearly stated that Spock's emotional meltdown is SOLELY due to his mother's death? Or could it be inferred that he's also upset about, oh, maybe the destruction of his entire homeworld, his culture and everything he held dear?
2) Again, did Nero TELL Spock where the outpost was?
3) How long after being marooned was Vulcan destroyed?
4) Did Spock have time to explore beforehand? Or did he do so after Vulcan was destroyed and only THEN discover the federation outpost? Is it conceivable that Spock wanted to keep a low profile in his strange new world while trying to figure out what to do? Is it conceivable that before he could set a plan in motion he got stuck in his cave while a blizzard hit? How long did the blizzard last? Could it be that Kirk's arrival made old Spock feel that now was the time to act since they could still catch the Enterprise?
5) In all the other films and in the original series Kirk and his crew bent regulations (and even violated the prime Directive, for fuck's sake) whenever the plot called for it, whether to add to the drama or to serve as a deux ex machina for resolving said drama.
Again, I'm not arguing whether Abrams' Trek is better or worse than the other movies, but you have yet to bring one single goddamned thing to the table which demonstrates why Abrams' Trek is so much worse than the others. So far, everything you have said about it could be applied to the others.
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In other words, let's have an origin movie where all the characters we know and love from the series and the movies step fully formed onto the stage rather than develop INTO those very same characters over a number of films.
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Oct 11, 2009 12:32:47 PM CDT
IT'S NOT AS EXCITING AS PICARD AND RYKER PULLING ON THEIR SHIRTS
by bringingsexyback
but it's a close second!
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I'm sorry, but i can't be as complacent as you are to shits like Bob Porci and Jar Jar Abrams and the stupid fucking movies they make. If the so-called "common audiences public" endulges themselves in this type of dumb movies, it's because they have been delivered that kind of shit for too long and on a too steady course. So, while part of the blame is to put on the shoulders of the so-called public, so much or more is to be put on the people who educated the public to appreciate that lower stuff.Just because a movie is supposed to be fun doesn't mean it's supposed to be stupid too. Since when fun equals stupid? Last time i hcecked in the dictionary, they are not synominous words. So why should i take them as so JUST FOR THE SAKE OF A DUMB MOVIE? It's not the movie that pays me to go watch it, I PAY TO WATCH IT. I deserve, and everybody deserve,s the best product possible for the price you pay. skank Trek wa snot made in that spirit. Porci and Jar Jar doen't work onm that principle. So why should i be lenient to them?Should i have a similiar lenient attitude to car manufacturers as well? To the food producers? Should i be happy that i would get over-priced shitty cars that barely works or food that's half-poison? I pay andf i should be happy they deliver faulty and deficient products? That's the attitude i should have?Why movies should be any different? You pay for them. They ar enot given free, this is not some USSR type society where you get movies for free and have no choice for what to watch. You have a choice for what to watch, and you pay.Watching Skank Trek is not a previlege that was bestowned upon us by a benevolent kindred mind who wanted to chase his vision free of costs. Skank Trek is the product of a commercial oriented mind who wants to rip monetary rewards through the selling of a product. You do not owe him anything, most of all, you do not know him any kind of subservience. It's he and who made the movie WHO OWE YOU EVERYTHING. They want your money, they better deliver the goods, with quality, made with intelligence and dedication. And you didn't get that with Skank Trek. So why the fuck should i be lenient to the ass clowns who made that movie?Ther eis no such thing as dumb fun. All there is is slaves who are so brain-washed into a mentality of servitude they cannot see anything else. Fun at dumb is mind slavery. And it's silly. And pathetic. I take more fun from a good movie then any of the "dumb is FUUUUUUUUN" crowd gets watching 100 dumb movies like Skank Trek.
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There has not been one single TB where you have defended the "fun" of any movie. Instead, you obsess over minutiae and set the resolution on your cinema quality goggles after how much you either hate or admire a filmmaker. If you admire a filmmaker, like David Lynch, you are incapable of discerning when he makes a complete turd like Inland Empire. if you hate a filmmaker, like JJ Abrams, you vilify him for committing the exact same "sins" earlier directors of films in the same series did.
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hypothesis after another,just to explain or rationalize plot points of a story,then something is not going very well with the development of the story itself.
asimov is right about one thing: orci and jj wanted to have Nimoy in the movie,as a bonus (i say bait) for the st fans,so the best way they thought of implementing him in the movie's story,was the autopiloted pod marooned in the Hoth planet plot device.Imho an idea that didnt work at all,they could have add Nimoy to the movie with another,better way,but with mediocre creators like JJ and orci,this is the best u can get.
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"1) Is it clearly stated that Spock's emotional meltdown is SOLELY due to his mother's death? Or could it be inferred that he's also upset about, oh, maybe the destruction of his entire homeworld, his culture and everything he held dear?"The proof of the fact it's only mommy dearest death that upsets spock is that later Kirk only hits spock with that to try to make him act like a bitch and go smashing his face, to prove Spock's lack of ability to command due to emotional stress. Kirk never pushed the "your whole people of pansies dided, good, vulcans were lame, they were a pestilence to the federation". Kirk hits ONLY with the personal fact of mommy dying. Why? Becasue Old spock mind-melded with kirk, and kirk learned what was the very thign that was upsetting Spock. Anmd what was it? The destruction of vulcan? The death of billions? No, mommy died. Fucking hell, evnme the mvoejk provides the aswer to that question of yours, Doc. And i didn't evne need to try harder. It's you who need to try harder.
"2) Again, did Nero TELL Spock where the outpost was?"No, Spock KNEW where the outpost was. Do you know where your house is? do you know where your nearest grocery shop is? That's the same thing, Spock himself knew where the outpost was. Spocks has enciclopedic knowledges of such things. THe TOS showed that tiem and again. and in the mvoie, spock knew where the outpost was. In fact, the ide we get form the movie is that Nero DIDN'T knew there was a Federation outpost there. It's clear Nero though he was depositing Spock on some death forsaken place with no possiblity of Spock to get rescued, he sent him to his death, but not fast enough he wouldn't live to see the destruction of Vulcan. spock knew the outpost, Nero didn't. You cna get that answer form the movie itself, and it didn't took me much long to answer that. You need to try harder."3) How long after being marooned was Vulcan destroyed?"Godo question, the way the fucking mvoie is edited, there's absolutly no sens eof the time that takes place between each scene. Like all hacks, Jar Jar Abrams is terrible at putting in the movie a sense of time passing. Everythign in the fucking movie seems like it takes palce 5 minutes after the scene before. And again, that asnwwer is provided by the movie, in a sense, and it didn't took me long to get it. You should try harder next time."4) Did Spock have time to explore beforehand? Or did he do so after Vulcan was destroyed and only THEN discover the federation outpost? Is it conceivable that Spock wanted to keep a low profile in his strange new world while trying to figure out what to do? Is it conceivable that before he could set a plan in motion he got stuck in his cave while a blizzard hit? How long did the blizzard last? Could it be that Kirk's arrival made old Spock feel that now was the time to act since they could still catch the Enterprise?"The asnwer to that question is already answered above. Spock KNEW where the outpost was. He arrived in good weather. The real puzzle is, why would he just stick there, instead of hauling ass immediatly toward the outpost. And really, think about it, how would it be logic for him to know the existence of the outpost AFTER he was marroned? There were traffic signs around to anounce the outpost location? No, Spock knew. Spock knew Hoth and the location of the outpost. As for the "Spock wanted to acted low profile" nonsense, what's the logic in that? Time was of the essense, why would Spock screw around sitting his ass on a ice cave contemplating beign imovable until the next Deux Ex Machina arrived? No, Spock's logical decision was to go IMMEDIATLY to the outpost. The TOS wouldn't even look back at the vulcan exploding, because that would be a waste of time, and that would be an emotional thing to do, and more then ever, logic was to be the msot important thing to rely on due to the danger of the situation. Something that bob Porci, Jar Jar Abrams and YOU seem to not understand. And it didn't took me much time to came to this answer. You should try harder next time."5) In all the other films and in the original series Kirk and his crew bent regulations (and even violated the prime Directive, for fuck's sake) whenever the plot called for it, whether to add to the drama or to serve as a deux ex machina for resolving said drama."In the best episodes of the TOS, whenever they violate the Prime directive, their decisions always came back to bite them in the ass, and always the idea is that it was a mistake to violate the prime directive, and when that happens, things turn even worst. Star Trek at it's best does that, provides a scenario where it seems that violating the prime ditrective might look like a good idea, and then it turns out it was an even bigger mistake. And rarely there's deux ex machinas in TOS Star Trek, there's ALWAYS a foreshadowing of the solution previously in the episode, but hey are smart enough to hide it, or not make it too obvious. Mosty Star Trek TOS episodes are structured like a detective story. And most of them are quite very smart pieces of drama and mystery. Adn things get revealed because the characters are smart enough to ask the right questions to the situation. and oneof the kost wonderful thing about TOS is that it's not always Kirk or Spock who came up with the missing piece of the puzzle, but other people of the crew, like Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Bones and Scotty. In TOS, the show makes the characters have to work and deserve their endings, their happy endings (which does not always occur). In skabnk Trek, everything that helps the characters comes through coincidences and narrative plot cheating. that wasn't too hard to answer weither, it didn't took me too long. You should try harder. -
Oct 11, 2009 12:58:10 PM CDT
DocPazuzu, i don't take lessons from having fun at the movies
by asimovlives
from people who love a piece of shit like Skank Trek. Because there's nothing to learn from those. You included.
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lick my asshole. clear enough for you?
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Notice that DocPazuzu doesn't really answer my question. He goes for that "maybe it's this" or "maybe it's that", but he offers no direct answer to my questions, which was, basically, what is the logic behind the actions of the characters in those specific circunstances. He offers a lot of maybes, but no direct asnwers, nothignt hat goes to the bone of the subject.The real answer for my questions is quite simple, as you pointed out: all those scenes just exist to provide deux ex machinas for the wroters and director to overcome the many narrative dead ends they gave themselves with their silly nonsensical movie. Sklank Trek is just a collection of bad "cool" scenes with barely a logical link between each other. Movies made of disjointed mometns are good for surrealist cinema and character driven stories where it's more important to follow a character through different siatuations in the middle of an ordinary life, then in a movie like what Skank Trek is supposed to be, a linear narrative adventure story.And by my asnwe,r is whty Skank Trek is a bad movie. Becasue good movies do not work by having every scene being suceeded one after the other with cheatting and deux ex machinas.But the Jar Jar fanboys keep insisting that Skank Trek is a good movie. Well, i want to ask them then where is the narrative logic in those sequences in particular, so to defend their notion of Skank Trek's quality. I'm actuially being quite nice to them, i'm allowing them a good chance to defend their movie and help them prove their intellectual brillance for chosing to like this movie.
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u have said it all,but unfortunately nobody listens you.
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where the fuck is Roberto anyway? I know for damned sure he isn't writing the script for MI4, Star Trek 2 or TF3 yet...I mean judging from the previous films it can't take him more than a week or so to punch out such heavy hitting prose.You lurking here Bob? Come on...put down the pipe, un-cuff that poor girl and join the fun.
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I guess nobody likes to listen to truths that spoils their complacency for liking dumb stupid undefensable movies, which by all sense and reason, should had been pissed upon and mocked hard until kingdom come. Like Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek.
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Maybe Bob Porci learned the lesson and realised he is not the geek god he though he was.
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Fuck Jar Jar Abrams up his fucking ass.
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*shakes head in disbelief* Go right ahead Asimov. I quit. You win. Have fun you simpering git, this the last time I'll ever address you. You're in suitable company Coughlins Laws was first, now you. Fellas, the only way this daft fucker is going to shut up is if we completely ignore him; "send him to Coventry". I'm out.
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failed in that he nowe dominates the talkback.
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a my old man died. and two when that happens you tend not to give a shite about what films are on release. but i will. see it at some stage
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I don't care if you agree or disagree with my statements or not but here it goes...Anyone who has ever watched Star Trek knows that Spock is HALF HUMAN. Granted in TOS he had almost...let me repeat that...ALMOST totally supressed his human half. So why is it so unreasonable to think that when he was younger he had a much harder time controlling his emotional human half? I am tired of hearing how he has "mommy issues". His mother died in front of him, along with his entire planet..anyone with even a little bit of emotion would be affected by this. This doesn't excuse all his actions, I do think banishing Kirk to the ice planet was a bit much, but still to sit there and say that Spock's behavior is inexcuseable or wrong because he is a totally unemotional being is wrong, plain and simple.Ok haters, yell at me, call me an "apologist" or a Abrams cock sucker, whatever helps you sleep at night, but on this point, I am right. Spock is half human-FACT. Even when he got older he had trouble totally supressing his emotions-FACT.So how can you say that him having emotional reactions when he was younger is unreasonable?
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... we've heard it all before, AND DON'T CARE WHAT HE THINKS. It's fucking boring. It's not even that we disagree with him about Abrams' Trek necessarily, (which he refuses to acknowledge) we're just sick and tired of the never-ending semi-coherent rant. At the end of the day, he's just an irritating TROLL. Fucking noise pollution man, makes people tired and grumpy.
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... we've heard it all before, AND DON'T CARE WHAT HE THINKS. It's fucking boring. It's not even that we disagree with him about Abrams' Trek necessarily, (which he refuses to acknowledge) we're just sick and tired of the never-ending semi-coherent rant. At the end of the day, he's just an irritating TROLL. Fucking noise pollution man, makes people tired and grumpy.
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SPOCK. THE SMARTEST MOFO IN THE UNIVERSE. CAN'T FIGURE A WAY TO GET HIMSELF OFF A FUCKING ICE PLANET.
LOVE THAT.
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SPOCK. THE SMARTEST MOFO IN THE UNIVERSE. CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DETONATE HIS OWN SHIP THEREBY ALLOWING RED MATTER TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF...
DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO TRY A VULCAN FART.
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SPOCK. THE SMARTEST MOFO IN THE UNIVERSE. CAN'T WALK TWO BLOCKS OVER TO THE FEDERATION OUTPOST TO MAKE A LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALL TO THE FEDERATION.
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SPOCK. THE OLDEST MOFO IN THE UNIVERSE. HE'S THE BEST CANDIDATE TO FLY A SHIP OUT AND TRY TO KILL THE BLACK HOLE?
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THE BLACK HOLE.
DON'T REALLY NEED TO SAY MORE BUT THE LEAST THAT ORCI OR JJ OR ANY OTHER DOUCHEBAG COULD HAVE DONE WAS WATCH A SCIENCE EPISODE OF SESAME STREET TO GET A 1ST GRADER'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A BLACK HOLE CAN AND CANNOT DO.
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WHAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE IN THE NEW TREK IS NOTHING SHORT OF AN EPISODE OF FRINGE - HORRID TV QUALITY WRITING IN WHICH THOUGHTFULNESS IS STRICTLY VERBOTEN AND PLOT ONLY GETS IN THE WAY OF THE WRITERS WHO ARE LATE TO THEIR COLONICS.
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DISTRICT 9 BEING A PRIME EXAMPLE. INTERESTING SCRIPT. DECENT DIALOG. NICE ACTION. THOUGHT PROVOKING ON A STRICTLY PEDESTRIAN LEVEL. SOME MINOR PLOT FUCKS BUT WHO CARES. GOOD POPCORN FLICK
THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK ABOUT IN THE NEW TREK WAS HOW BADLY I'D LOVE TO LICK ZOE SALDONA'S PRETTY LITTLE ASSHOLE RIGHT AFTER SHE TOOK A HOT STEAMY SHIT.
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Yes man - I am so glad there is a new Star Trek movie - We have the first one that my cousin has brought back from the city - it rocks! and I am so glad as I am the No 1 Star Trek nut job! I have seen three of the films - Deep Space 9 & The last one with the man from Quantum Leap in it. Loved the acting and the effects all the way - much better than that shitty old show from the 60's! Fuck Yeah! We have a disabled boy from my village who loves the crazy Spock - Even more so after seeing this new DVD - we will be sending him to Hollywood to meet Spock when we raise the money. If any celebrities reading this (Sly, Bruce, Dan Shanks) are reading this (I know you are) please contact me through this site and we can send this lad (we call him Disablo) to see captain Spock. May the force be with you.
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ease up on it.
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People on this site were hailing it as the bestest sci fi movie ever. But, it's just really TV quality crap.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
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You insulted ME for liking TF 2. Don't act like your such a damn nice guy on here. You're not.
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...god could somebody please put the same fucking embargo on Asimovlives!In fact, make it for November 2099 so that he has plenty of time to learn how to type anything other than his Bay/Abrams hating (slightly homphobic) drivel.
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He ran up to J.J. in a Taco Bell, and had a "script meeting". He never answered my question either...
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I'm not creating hypotheses that I necessarily believe. I'm merely demonstrating the mirror image of AsimovLives' own logic. The fact is that when he sees fit to, he will point to everything occurring onscreen as the only text to go by. However when he sees fit to fill in the blanks not onscreen he will also do so if it suits him and his bias.
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...I may have loved Star Trek but I also loathed Transformers 2 and have not attacked anyone here for liking it. The difference between me and AssLives is that he's actually gone on record saying that it's OK to hate people who don't share one's movie tastes. It's borderline fascist.
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they lock Kirk in the brig and follow protocol totally fucked my eyeballs. Brilliant and true to the property. I loved every second he just sat there and nothing happened. Oh and the scene where Spock does paperwork! Holy Shit! They will never top that.
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Oct 11, 2009 4:16:38 PM CDT
Sorry to hear about that, Emeraldboy
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
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Also: fuck you for making me LOL.
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And with that statement AssLives enters the realm of Utter Movie FAIL.
So there's no such thing as dumb fun in movies, AssLives? What about Beastmaster? Animal House? Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter? Lifeforce? Return of the Living Dead? Sgt Kabukiman NYPD? Braindead? Doomsday? Gremlins? Stripes? Battle Beyond The Stars? Enter The Dragon?
Let's see you either slam those films for being "bad" and thus missing the point entirely, or (preferably) pulling arguments out of your ass as to why they have, say, socio-political relevance. -
Beastmaster is a total shit of a movie that didn't make any money. Trek is better than all of those films you listed.
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Sometimes I sits here in Portugal and i thinks of how much i hates Jar Jar Abrams (i mades this up myself - good no?) I thinks for hours about it and then decide to masterwait all over Jar Jar Abrams face in a magazines.I watch Star Drek and I laughs like a little Portugese maiden in knee high socks who just fingered herselves, because it is FUNNY! It is FUNNY! It not Star Trek I no and loves from my favorite Porgugese cinema. It is imposter!Ther is no such thing as dumb fun. You thinks Isaac Asimovs ever have dumb fun? NO! He has intelligent fun. He not like Star Drek i do believe. Well, i donts know - i writes him letters about it but gets no reply.Star Drek is big failure! Big failure! I tell you why over the next 108 posts i shall put here. You must hear me! Nobody else hear me! YOU MUST HEAR THE VOICE OF THE PORTUGESE CINEMA GOER!I knows things you dont know. I knows lots of things. I tells you all about it and if you say otherwise, i tells you that you is wrong.I am right. I am always right. Read all my posts and receives my information like a cock going up Jar Jar Abrams buttocks. Except this cock full of information and go in your mind.I will be heard! Star Drek is worst thing ever. It make no sense. It worst than I, Robot with William Smith! It worst than that even!Listen to mes! I am importants!
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1) So if mommy is the sole or predominate reason why Spock flipped, would that make him MORE or LESS fit for command than if he had flipped over the entire planet?
The fact is, he's both Vulcan and Human, something which you constantly ignore. You want him to step into view, as fully mature and in control of his feelings as he is as an adult in the original series. You know what that is? Lack of character DEVELOPMENT.
2) "No, Spock KNEW where the outpost was. Do you know where your house is? do you know where your nearest grocery shop is? That's the same thing, Spock himself knew where the outpost was. Spocks has enciclopedic knowledges of such things."
That is complete and utter conjecture, and as poorly/solidly supported as the possibilities I raised.
3) "And again, that asnwwer is provided by the movie, in a sense, and it didn't took me long to get it."
Again, conjecture. You have in fact no idea how long it was between his marooning and Vulcan's destruction.
4) "The TOS wouldn't even look back at the vulcan exploding, because that would be a waste of time,"
Really? Really, Captain Conjecture? Spock wouldn't feel the horrified need to witness his home planet's fate? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Again, was it old Spock or Kirk who had directions to the outpost? And this time perhaps you can stick to what's in the film and not what you consider Spock's "encyclopedic knowlege" to contain.
5) Completely irrelevant. Any conceivable "moral lesson" conveyed in the original series or the movies as a result of bending or breaking rules is beside the point entirely. You're bringing up the breaking of these rules as AN ANOMALY. It is, in fact, true to the characters' nature. You say the episodes where there is a moral to the story are the "best" ones. Sounds to me like you need nice, tidy endings for something to be "good".
You consistently insist that this origin story MUST contain every single element of a three-year television series, every personality quirk, every narrative construction and not show a single piece of development which would bring us to the starting point of the series. You want everything fully formed and packaged for your enjoyment. That's the mark of a simpleton.
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Oct 11, 2009 4:36:26 PM CDT
LOCKES - I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSULT YOU ABOUT LOVING TF2
by bringingsexyback
I was merely pointing out the obvious mental deficiency and willful palsy of anyone who prefers TF2 to District 9. If you are offended I my observation then I apologize.
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Everyone, and I mean everyone, thinks you're a tasteless fucking idiot. How does that feel?
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I really want Cloverfield 2 to happen!
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Oct 11, 2009 4:39:31 PM CDT
"Except this cock full of information and go in your mind."
by docpazuzu
Classic!
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i do what i can. I'll pass the fuck you on to Miguel De Barioz. he made me LOL.
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I'd rather be tasteless than to love fucking shit like Buffy.
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chin up mate. Jameson and whatever makes you grin. Cheers to your Pop.
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fuck that movie. mercs mindlessly throwing themselves at the half-life 2 bot (which totally outgunned them) is not good action. and beating an audience over the head with a dumb message is not intellectualism.
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Oct 11, 2009 5:30:16 PM CDT
If your defense of Abrams TREK is that it's "dumb fun"...
by burnhollywood
...Then you pretty much lost the argument. I kinda doubt being in the company of shitstain flicks like Troma's SGT KABUKIMAN is keeping the faith, TREK-wise. And lumping witless bad-on-purpose garbage like that with far cleverer fare like ANIMAL HOUSE or STRIPES (first half, anyway) is showing exactly the inability to distinguish quality from rat droppings that's so depressing about JJTREK's fanbase.
Orci/Kurtzman have a history of writing insufferable shit, so naturally enough, the latest TREK was shit. Abrams was deft enough to put a coat of polish on it, so everyone mistook it for actual quality (that's a backhanded compliment of his directing skills, BTW). All the same, it's highly polished shit.
The meanest thing I'll say about AsimovLives is that he's fighting a losing battle against the tasteless and vapid. In the end, they'll line up for another serving of chocolate that came straight out of dog's ass. So it goes. -
It's been pretty "Smart Fun" for most of it. I wouldn't lump Trek in with shit like LifeForce. Trek's been around since the SIXTIES!!! The new movie did more for Trek than effing Nemesis did.
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hardcore fans. YOU failed this franchise. Now we are taking it away from you and giving it to some kid who can barely peel himself away from Halo, and if we are gonna compete with Halo then this is what we have to do. You know what, thanks for all your effort guys. Here is that crusty old fuck Nimoy for ya. Go back to your Atari and D&D. You are irrelevant.
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In Portugal we would call him "macaco inteligente" which means 'clever monkey'.In Portugal we would call Jar Jar Abrams "roupa íntima de ruim". It very bad insult. In English howevers, it translates to "underwear of bad". It lot more worst in Portugal.
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on some sites. They're the ones that ignore TNG, DS9, Ent, etc. Hey fucks, go back to writing your shitty fan fic and make your sorry ass Trek CG fest Youtube movies. FUCK OFF!!
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now THERE is a classic film, and the high point in the career of one Ms. Kari Wuher..one of my teenage fap queens.
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is it fun or funny? Is THAT where they discovered Orci?
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We all are. But, I suppose it's your time to waste. {:-)
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After that, his career pretty much tanked.
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i'm not playing. and with that...i'm back out...
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long have i sat by and watched these musings from afar. now i must interven for hope of pointing out a flaw that i had hoped someone else would have pointed out.
asimov claims that in new trek, spock and kirk both acted against protocol, didn't act like navy officers and what have you.
well i guarantee, as with 95% of the talkbackers on this site, that asimov LOVES aliens. if you are using that as an excuse, then how do you justify marines SITTING ON THEIR ASSES during a mission briefing over LV-426?!?!?!? There are so many other things against standard military protocol and yet no one complains about that? of course not, it's fucking aliens for christsakes!! EXPLAIN ASIMOV!!!!! (get off your high horse)
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... but DocPazuzu pointed out Assimover's hypocracy simply AGES ago.
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that was something that wasnt pointed out. i felt compelled to add it and yes doc pazuzu has truly won this debate. i just want to hear asimov's excuse for my point really haha
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able to summarize the 'living' version's 'contribution' to every single thread in just a few paragraphs
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..fact
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But Pazuzu really did call Asimov a hypocrite, repeatedlym earlier in rhis very TB. I'm of the opinion that Asimov is nothing more than a rather limited Troll seeking as much attention as he can possibly garner in each and every TB he posts to.
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Oct 11, 2009 9:12:15 PM CDT
The two extremes of Trek: TNGverse and Abramsverse
by takingscorpioscalls
Kind of weird to compare a whole series+numerous movies vs. 1 movie but there ya go. On one end of the spectrum is TNGverse, the most serious and talkative, absorbed with technobabble and the hotel conference style of settling disputes, then on the other end is Abramsverse which is pure action aspect and comedy, fistfighting round the universe style. TOS holds that fine balance, and is like the equilibrium in the middle. I think Abramsverse was necessary after how convoluted TNG became, it's obviously following a loose trend on the Star Wars prequels, imagine how old hat it would seem compared to the prequels if it was in the TNG style again. They're just repeating the same thing that went down with the first Trek movies, the Motion Picture WAS influenced by Star Wars 77 to some degree.
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It totally brought Star Trek back from the dead to great heights. Everyone loved it, and people are still referencing it to this day.
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of course TOS is the quintessential one but i always loved the comraderie and most importantly fist fights of TOS. The biggest failing of TNG was the chemistry between the leads was shit. completely pales to the Kirk, Spock, McCoy triumvirate. but back to those fist fights, Kirk would answer with a fist a lot of the time, like when an alien was following his landing party and Kirk turned and gave him a right hook. what they lacked in space battles they made up for that, and the fights were messy dragdown types with none of that jackie chan style dicking around. reminds me of the early james bond fights too like that one where he fought robert shaw in the train when he was built like a shitbrickhouse.
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Every season, Sisko leaves the station and comes back. What a great Captain!11
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having endless arguments about the new Trek? Cant we just agree to disagree? Mnay loved it, some hated it and a few thought it was ok. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of it, do we really have to continuously insult each other over who did and did not like it? Healthy and spirited debate is good and entertaining, but imho cant we just give the fighting over trek a damn break now?
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ways it is actually a superior tv show, and it certainly did revive trek, but somehow it has never become as iconic as TOS. And Im sure you will agree that TNG never did well with their films compared to the first 6 films, and counting the new one I guess. imho only FC was really good, but the other three were literally just tv show episodes in disguise, and not even very good ones at that compared to the best of the TNG show...
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it finally broke the "reset button" mold of the trek formula, and stories and ramifications carried over into other episodes for long stretches. Also, the Dominion were damn cool villains imho. And it was the first, and still only Trek to show a sustained war that the Federation is in. All big plus points for me....
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Unlikely hero Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf) and his foxy girlfriend, Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox), return with tough-as-nails Capt. Lennox (Josh Duhamel) to assist the Autobots in another epic battle against the evil Decepticons in this supercharged sequel to the 2007 megahit. Blockbuster impresario Michael Bay brings his trademark pyrotechnics to the proceedings, while comic whiz Rainn Wilson joins the cast as a college professor.
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just as iconic as any TOS episode. Look at TOS season three. Some real stinkers there. I can count my favorite TOS episodes on one hand, but TNG, there's so many good ones per season. Picard was better known than Kirk during the TNG years.
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there were some ridiculous coincidences. But I will assume it was the result of the writers strike and that the writers were nt able to polish the script. But otherwise I thought the cast was damn good, the fx were good, and I loved the overall redesign of everything. Though I wish JJ would learn to pull the damn camera back when showing spaceships and space battles and learn how to establish the geography of an action scene....
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are the Borg. But compare how iconic TOS is in mainstream pop culture compared to TNG. Imho TNG seems to be more iconic amongst genre fans.....Ask any non-trek fan, or even non-sci-fi/genre fans about trek and at the least they would probably be able to name Spock, Kirk, Scotty, and the Enterprise, not so with TNG...
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Toby/Kunta Kinte, Worf and Will Wheaton. Am I missing anyone?
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Not one hater responds, not one. Curious.
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...Did I compare Trek to Troma flicks or Beastmaster or any other film I mentioned? No. What I simply pointed out was that someone who in all honesty and with a straight face can say "there is no such thing as dumb fun" can NEVER give a film like Star Trek a fair shake because there will always be things which offend his or her delicate sensibilities. AssLives' problem is that he's a hypocrite. Just about everything he complains about in Star Trek can be applied to virtually any movie containing elements of dumb fun. Pretending that the rest of the Star Trek saga somehow adheres to his strict criteria for intelligence and scientific realism to any greater degree than Abrams' movie is absurd.
Bottom line on AssLives:
He cannot and will not admit that ANYTHING he likes can possibly fall within the very broad definition of "dumb fun" because he is terrified of being considered dumb himself. It's a question of self-confidence of which he lacks a great deal. This is why he is incapable of admitting to liking any of the films I mentioned without attaching some sort of nebulous, phony values or subtext in order to justify liking them. A visceral cinema experience simply does not exist in AssLives' dojo. -
Buffy? WTF?
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...because AssLives doesn't understand a visceral cinema experience, he fears it. He feels threatened by the notion that intelligent people actually have the capacity to enjoy visceral cinema in varying degrees which is why he goes out of his way to attack them personally.
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How are things in New York? Im doing pretty cool. What are your thoughts on the new Trek my friend? I dont see you around here much, and Im not really around much myself so I dont believe I ve ever heard your thoughts...
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still engaged in your war with Asimov lol...Anyway....Whats your favourite trek? And what would you like to see in the next trek film? I would actually love for them to introduce the Borg into the new timeline.....
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they deciede to go TDK with the next trek and use Khan? I really like the suggestion of Javier Bardem....
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so they can combine the best villains from the two eras.why the hell not?
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you don't get over lens flares in stino!!!! Ever shined a flash light in a sealed tin can?Shit sakes why do haters come off like a new born separated from their thumb they like to suck?
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Y'know kids...rather than bending yourselves into pretzels trying to defend TREK's dopey characterizations and worse logic, just face the facts that Orci/Kurtzman are a couple of vacuous, no-talent hacks who are used to writing brain-dead bullshit like TRANSFORMERS 2, and were simply applying their impossibly limited imaginations, feeble grasp of high school science and talent for cribbing entire plot elements from other movies (in this case, STAR WARS) to the TREK universe. That's why we have shit like black hole time machines, red matter and Spock marooning an insubordinate crewman with an escape pod when the Enterprise has had a fucking brig for over forty years now.
You need to quit fantasizing about how the series will get better with these two laying their sweaty palms on Khan or The Borg and instead pray that Abrams comes to his senses and jettisons their worthless asses.
Maybe in an amazing coincidence, he'll drop them off a short walk away from Leonard Nimoy's house, similar to their moronic TREK plot "twist"... -
What if I was entertained?
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Please don't go into that "because it's the weakest season it sucks" mentality, it's an unconscious slippery slope into the self pleasing line-drawing obsession to make things out as only pure good or pure suck. TOS 3rd season had some silly episodes yes, many always poinat the space hippies episode which was annoying, but at least those hippies got killed the shit out of at the end so it had a fuzzy ending. Who am i kidding, i'd still watch that season over ANY season of TNG because no amount of sillyness can really take away from the yellow, blue and pointy trio.
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and forgot to add on there but season 3 was damn good, "I AM KIROK". thank you. Another thing that's really good with this is the art style, the colorful sets, costumes and aliens make it feel like flash gordon or a fantasy fairytale, it's a lot better than the completely drab and basement palette of the later series's.
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Space Hippies...YES!!!! TOS had Tribbles, Gary 7, tons of campy stuff that the Jay Jay film was obviously aware of. The serious and cultured Trek came with the movies and TNG.( Azimov Lives....you admited to seeing less than 10 episodes of TOS in the STINO tb's, through accident of birth I've seen them all at some point and I prefer Batman comic books a googolplex more ) Hater, face facts, Jay Jay's on for the trilogy..... I want 2 Spocks!!!! I bet the only cannibalized part of the canon now will be the genesis project!!!!!!
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That was an awesome movie!!!! Fuck all you haters!!!!!
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thank you very much
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What if Q was in STINO 2?
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He was part of an omnipotent race... What if he could goof around with string theory? Could easily be in STINO 2!!!
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Christ, anyone would think that Abrams, Orci and the other monkey had taken turns turning his mother into a human colander.
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is that the goatfucker has a deep and dirty little secret: His constant bellyaching is a prime example of "methinks she doth protest too much", and I will bet even money that he puts pointy ears on a melon before jamming his pathetic hardon into a pre-cut whole while reciting the whole fedearation regulations before reaching fruity nirvana. The problem comes when he looks down at his juice smeared implement and shattered melon and only feel shame. Having wasted the sperm he was saving for Kira, his favourite goat, in a twisted star trek derived wank fantasy, he's forced to turn against the film that inspired him. Either that or he's just a complete cunt.
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What????
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I don't fuck fruit... Why share fantasies with others that aren't like minded?
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That's "hole" and "federation".
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with fox to return to the x-men franchise! and he may helm the sequel to the much hated wolverine.
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like FUCK U!!!!!
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I'm not referring to you. You don't endlessly pepper every TB with the same ill-thought out hypocritical shit. And you aren't the twat that once posted "This Christmas I'm booking my seat with Mr. Alien, Mr. Predator and lots and lots of Mr. and Mrs. Dead People" If anyone is valuing his opinion, I suggest you bear the above quote in mind. I promise it's legitimate.
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Shit....When is Darkseid gonna be in a Superman movie?
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For a minute I thought you were saying something to me. Good to know everything's cool. I was a plant once So I fool heatedly take some things like they're meant for me too often. LJ keep the dream alive..
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fucking drunk typing
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Peter Graves in an M:I movie??? Kinda like having Lenard Nimoy in Stino.... Actually VERY MUCH SO?!?!?!?
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how did you get the gig? Seriously, I'm wondering, because foliage is usually so easy to spot here, and I'd do it.
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I like to think it's both.
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It was what it was. I'm also sure it was as idiotic as everyone else sez. So? You had the big Robots. I enjoyed. The Abrams Trek thing-That was a fun movie. C'mon what's the problem? Mammaries of Mommy here is a bigtime Aliens vs Predator fan right? and has the boxed set of 'Get to know your Suffolk, Coredale and Oxford right here in downtown Oporto' as well. So disregard what that incoherent moron has to say. What I wanna see is what Mammaries would think of the complete Red Baron 70's Japanese Giant Robot series. That, truly, would be the best.
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he's clearly capable of both. Oh and watch out for the inspired "Lost Jarv go and fuck yourself" response from the bestiality addicted epsilon minus submoron.
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Fave is ST2, no question. Undiscovered Country and Abrams' aren't too far behind. Grew up with the original series and know it by heart but am certainly no trekkie. I find 99% of TNG, Voyager, Enterprise and DS9 to be equal to substandard online fanfic, unbearably turgid and self-important. Don't like the Borg either. Star Trek's robots are as poor as most of their aliens are.
Bardem WOULD be a cool villain, but I wish they would leave Khan alone and use completely new stories. Making alternate versions of stories we already know is also to descend into the depths of fanfic hell.
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The only piece I've found even remotely interesting is a story by Tommy Wong called "Star Trek vs Star Wars: Conquest." It's a full-length novel and relatively well-written. The Borg Fleet vs Death Star battle is particularly memorable. Seek it out online. Despite the fact that Wong HATES Star Trek, he does give Starfleet fair treatment in the book.
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...his name is MIKE Wong, not Tommy.
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Insurrection. I probably hate that movie more than AssLives hates Abrams' Trek. And with better reason, too.
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Fuck it, I pretty much dislike all of them aside from Khan. This is why I didn't see it in the cinema.
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seen all the films. all tv series. seen the cartton. to the people who are moaning about abrams trek. He could have given us a film like robert wise 2.5 hr bore a thon star trek the slow motion picture. all the cast of the previous shows bar shat and nimoy are either dead or retired or out of work. abrams is a zippy action filmmaker. ok, so the plot had no logic to it. I go back to the robert wise film. which was all plot and character and was as deathly dull piece of filmmaking as you can get. so so compare the two relaunches. different filmmakers have different styles. different ways of telling stories. that is what fillmaking is all about. i dont think it matters who makes films these days or who was behind the lens. because thanks to this site, you will always have someone who will knock lumps out of a film, the director or writer.
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There's nothing wrong with escapism... unless it's in the form of a fucking horrible movie. And that's the point, the quality not the nature of the movie.
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if you dislike them all, why are you commenting in a star trek film thread.
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My sympathies for you and your family and relatives for your lost. As someone who lost a mother, i emphatise with your pain and loss. I hope you are dealing with it well. If i can be of any help just ask, our divergences of opinions be damned.
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But I'll never miss a chance to slate goatfucker general.
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Oct 12, 2009 7:23:59 AM CDT
"If i can be of any help just ask, our divergences of opinions b
by lost jarv
Good fucking God! That's the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen put up on here. What the fuck do you think he's going to do? Ask for a reference for a psychiatrist? Ask you round for tea and biscuits? Let you spoon him? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Oct 12, 2009 7:32:14 AM CDT
CUE ASIMOV TELLING LOST JARV TO FUCK HIMSELF IN 3, 2 ....
by bringingsexyback
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Mostly as the spoonee.
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I'm not a killjoy. He's a fucking weirdo though.
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...can't back you up on Nemesis, I'm afraid. Possibly if Insurrection didn't have a "special appearance by F. Murray Abraham" they may have tied in the suckage sweepstakes.
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to great Russian literature. Now they compare it to Bayformers 2. Fuck me."
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but it didn't drive me quite as apoplectic as Nemeshit. This is hair splitting though.I think I just don't like Picard and crew, to be honest.
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did you like ds9, voyager or enterprise.
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a star wars movie and not a star trek one.well thats the problem of us the 'haters' with JJs star trek.Its more star wars and less star trek.And u know what,i dont have a problem with that.The cinematic star trek was always a thing made for the few fans,rather for a larder,unfamiliar with st,audience.its not a surprise that the most successful movie was the least star trek one: ST4.
But my problem is that while the star wars franchise does have a masterpiece like ESB,its not very likely that the REBOOTED star trek franchise is going to get its own masterpiece,not with JJ and orci behind the wheels.
Have u forgotten the previous topic about st here in aicn,when JJ said that he acknowledges that there were flaws in his first movie,and that he will take the advices of the st fans for his next movie.and moreover that he and orci are going to use more iconic characters from the TOS era like Mudd and Khan.
Do u understand the significance of these statements? the guys are incapable of creating something entirely new,which will rival the old masterpieces of the TOS saga,they DO KNOW that,but they also know that they can modernize old ideas,characters and stories,enrich them with state of the art cgi,make them more impressive and send them for consumption to the young generation who ,well, finds interesting only the star wars movies where a jedi-pimp decapitates the bad guy and not the star trek where Picard kicks the ass of an omnipotent god while drinking his Earl grey tea.
And exactly thats what they will do with the next st installment in this rebooted franchise.You will get your Klingon war because the 'fans' demand it,u will get your ala star wars spece battles of awesomeness,u will get your cool,young,Kirk to save again the world because he is that awesome and poor Kif er Spock will fuck the new 'Megan Fox',whom Holywood will try to promote as the new queen of nerd fantasies in the new movie.Because thats how Holywood works nowadays (i say always),thats what the fans want,thats what sells,and fuck content,good stories,strong characters,messages,meanings and all that crap.the hell with them.just show us how shinny lasers,thats what is scifi all about. -
Mrs. Jarv, on the other hand, inexplicably loves Voyager.
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....Voyager is horrible.
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He's doing it for Johnny. You can google it if you don't believe me.
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and pains me. She insisted that we watched the last one ever the other day and it was even more shit than I'd been led to believe. Awful.
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Voyager's many crimes against television were, I think, all topped in the final episode which had a horrible time travel paradox in it. What a bucket of shit, sans bucket.
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when the producer forces the hot female co-protagonist to show her goods in order to get ratings,then u know the franchise is over for good.
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Oct 12, 2009 11:00:12 AM CDT
memories of an asstomouthlife is STILL goatfucking about Nerd Tr
by xiphos_2
Well would you expect from a goat fucker?
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STAR TREK, nerds, Flame Wars......it's all here!
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You remmeber the last Michael Bay talkback? I was expecting that you would come up with your usual stitch, you know, the "THE POWER OF BAY COMPLES YOU!". But you failed us on that. What happened? You cannot let go of your own meme, man!On a different subject, the distributors in my country, genious that they are, have not yet a date for the release of The Road. It's pissing me off. for months we didn't get a release date for Moon, and now they are delaying it for The Road. Release date for some michel Bay trash movie, no problem, it's right up, but for a more intriguing and interesting movie like Moon or The Road, you better pull a chair and wait seated on it. Damn frustrating. You got it easy knowing when you are going to watch The Road, man. You got it easy.
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with a bonus
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and next time buy an idea. Or you can ask one to Bob Porci and Jar Jar Abrams, creators of your beloved retarded piece of shit Skank Trek you admire so fucking much.
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Jar Jar Abrams is a zippy director? You mean, one that over-edits his movies in ultra-fast editing so that nobody notices the stupid shit and the idiotic mistakes he makes? That's the new definition of zippy? Crappy filmmaker who covers his ass with super-fast editing. That's news to me. Truly, Jar Jar Abrams is of the same school of Michael Bay. The shit school of terrible filmmaking.
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Spooning Emeraldboy? You are one talentless asspickle.
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presume to know i don't understand and can't feel visceral feelings about watching a movie, just because i don't like a retarded miserable incompetent piec eof shit like Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek. It's exactly the opposite, it's because i know and i feel a visceral feeling toward cinema, because of my deep love for cinema, and because i feel very visceral deep inside movies, that's whyt i loath a piece of shit like Skank Trek. This idiotic retarded fuck DocPazuzu could only wishes to feel FOR ANY MOVIE what i feel with movies like Carpenter's The Thing, Conan The Barbarian, Citizen Kane, Blade Runner, Batman Begins, 2001, The Dark Knight, Barry Lyndon, Pan's Labyrinth, Master & Commander, to name a few. Idiots like DocPazuzu could only wish they could feel 1/10th of the same visceral feelings of satisfaction i get form watching true good movies. there's no fucking movie they enjoy they can ever match how much fun i get form a good movie. This is why i piss and shit on such tripe bullshit like Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek. and that's why shit pussies like DocPazuzu love that retarded fucking shit so much.The problem is yours, you fucking retarded piece of shit. What a fucking moron you are. What a fucking retard. Fucking ass!
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is that it wasn't a prophecy. It was a prediction based entirely on your lack of imagination, lack of cognitive ability, and total lack of debating talent.
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I could tell the sky is blue and you would disagree because it's me saying it's blue. You are fucked up in your fucking miserable shit brain. and you are fucked up in the ass, by your master DocPazuzu. The moment you stop drinking his cum and take it as supository might be tyhe day you will start to think for yourself. And realise what a stupid ass you have been, asshole. Fuck off.
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You've just gone out of your way to prove his point instantly. You are utterly incapable of enjoying films without finding some barometer of "quality", some utterly nebulous and implausible barometer at that. For example, if you look at that list, every single film on it is "quality" there isn't anything like, say Chopper Chicks in Zombietown, Return of The Living Dead, Dark Angel, Deathstalker, etc which are just intrinsically enjoyable- and you couldn't (with the possible exception of return) pretend that they're quality. Because you are unable to expand about why the latter type of film is enjoyable without it hitting some artistic standard, you are unable to enjoy it. That's what he was getting at. The flip side of this is much more interesting, in that you go out of your way to defend utter dogshit like Halloween remake, or Inland Empire or Lust Caution because they are made by directors that you deem to be "quality". You are a hypocrite and a cunt and watching you twist to try to justify liking these shitfests is always hilarious.
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Listen, dickhead, seeing as you are clearly so far in the fucking closet that you're standing in Narnia, let me explain again why this line of attack is ineffective. 1)It doesn't bother me. I'm secure enough in my own sexuality to ignore people that call me gay. 2)By jumping on it as first resort, you show that it clearly does bother you, is it too close to the bone, perchance? I am, however, quite disturbed by the mental image of you pounding with sweaty fingers at the keyboard visualising sex between 2 men that have never met. Just come out, man, it's the 21st Century and there's no need to hide your love of the cock.
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...is that he's probably laughing harder at people like AssLives than we are. Lynch knows Inland Empire is shit and I'm convinced he made it just to listen to intellectards like AssLives pretend to "understand" it.
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I've forgotten who it was, but it's someone who's opinion I usually quite value, but they had an explanation for IE that partially explained it and if true would have made it less shit. Unfortunately, it was reaching in the dark.
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where he's making the mistake and I bet he's going to come back with a one line "go and fuck yourself post".
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...I put a challenge to you earlier in the talkback regarding "dumb fun" and you have yet to reply. Let's take Beastmaster, for instance. Or better yet, Lifeforce. Are they shitty but "dumb fun" movies or are you going to try to rationalize any positive feelings you may have about them by making up phony "qualities"?
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THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!
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Leave Lifeforce and Beastmaster alone. I won't let him sully it by trying to find some measure of "quality". It's pointless anyway because if you look at his explanation of visceral enjoyment there isn't the slightest indication that he knows what you are referring to.
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I can live with him ruining that.
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COMMANDO.
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explain why say, The Devil's Rejects or the aforementioned Inland Empire aren't dreadful crap.
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And occasionally DUMB FUN. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignoring Harry Mudd, the Tribbles, the Space Hippies,Spock's Brain, The Ferengi, the Pakleds,Data singing or dancing,Barclay,Guinan giving Worf prune juice,Vic Fontaine,the EMH Doctor, and almost ANY episode involving the Holodeck or the Mirror Universe.Star Trek can and does deal with all sorts of SERIOUS issues with varying degrees of success or subtlety. But it is also supposed to be FUN.ST:TMP isn't FUN. The Wrath of Khan, The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country ARE. First Contact is FUN. Most of the other TNG films AREN'T FUN.You guys can argue about plot holes or faulty science or deviation from canon from here until doomsday, or until the next TREK movie comes out. But the TREK that works, works because it's FUN.It can be FUN because it's provocative or allegorical or intellectually stimulating. Or it can be FUN because Kirk yells KHAAAAAN! and the director cuts to a POV shot from the Vacuum of Space and you can still hear Kirk yelling KHAAAAAN!It can be FUN because Q has interesting philosophical banter with Picard. Or it can be FUN because Q gives Data the momentary ability to LAUGH.It can be FUN because Kira Nerys gives us a chance to contemplate how one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. Or it can be FUN because the mirror universe Intendant Kira is so horny and polymorphously perverse.I could go on. But I shouldn't have to go on. Star Trek is just like anything else. If it isn't FUN, on some level, would people have watched it for 30 years?And people who watched Abrams' TREK who had never even seen Star Trek before were pleasantly surprised to discover what Star Trek fans have always known but all too frequently forget in their neverending argumentative oneupmanship about the minutiae of THINGS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST...STAR TREK is supposed to be FUN.
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= talkback WIN.
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aka, any movie that Vern likes.
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Oct 12, 2009 2:32:24 PM CDT
As Kobra Kai might say: "Fun is not in this dojo"
by asimovisfuckingdead
I do not goes to the cinema for "fun". I am above such a feeling. I am about the visceral feeling now. In a way, i have 'ascendeded' much like a God. Fun is not what i craves - it is the visceral feeling. If I do not feel it viscerally, i am not like the movie much.I watch Commando once and did not get it on a visceral level. This happens many a time. I say to someone 'This movie is worst - i can not feel it viscerally' and they did not understand. when they asked what i meant, i did not tell them and they think it is because i do not know what i am talking about it. Why should I try to explain myself to people? I am above this now. I have moved up to a new level. A visceral level.
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Your legend will live forever.
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...if Doc proclaimed it, so it shall be!
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And your post in the INDEPENDENCE DAY 2 thread is borderline genius.
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by DocPazuzu
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First it was "you hate AICN". Then it was the accusation that I "liked Buffy". Now it's that I "likey steven segal movies".
Do you have a hard time telling talkbackers apart or are you simply making stuff up based on... well, fucked if I know. -
Yeah, I saw that. The best thing about AsimovIsFuckingDead's posts is that they immediately make talkbacks toxic to the real AssLives.
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THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT KIRK DIDN'T SUCK ANY COCK, BUT ARE EAGERLY AWAITING THE SEQUEL NONETHELESS.
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"I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I makes terrible puns on nicks I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I don't know what i'm talkign about I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I pull shit out of my ass and call it ideas I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I'm so fucking retard I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I makes terrible puns on nicks I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I don't know what i'm talkign about I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I pull shit out of my ass and call it ideas I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I'm so fucking retard I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I makes terrible puns on nicks I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I don't know what i'm talkign about I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I pull shit out of my ass and call it ideas I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives I'm so fucking retard I hate AsimovLives I hate AsimovLives"
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relationship with DocPazuzu? I wish a lot of happiness in your love you have for each other. And i hope he fucks you in the ass for a long time. Isn't love beautiful?
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Did you like Watchmen?
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docPaqzuzu is so moved, he gives lost Jarv an ass fucking the later will never forget while he lives. Isn't love beautiful?
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Oct 12, 2009 3:38:00 PM CDT
Lost Jarv and DocPazuzu: the most beautiful love story of AICN
by asimovlives
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Oct 12, 2009 3:38:56 PM CDT
Only matched by the love story between Jar Jar Abrams and AICN
by asimovlives
The ass fucking that goes there can be heard in China.
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Yes! Yes! Awesome! Too bad you said it in the wrong talkback. But it was fun. But really, next time there's a talkback about michael Bay, don't forget to post your meme again, will you? A Michael Bay talkback is not the same without it, you know?
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It's easy to win Doc's heart. Just give him a copy of Walker - Texas Ranger.
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DocPazuzu demands that what he asays has to be taken as absolutly truth, as if spoken by GOD HIMSELF. Which, in DocPazuzu's mind, God IS him and he IS god. Only problem is, DocPazuzu is not god, he's just a very stupid little man with shit for opinions and a love for the most retarded bullshit movie made in the last 5 years that's not a Michael Bay movie: Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek. Sucks to be him. What a fucking moron.
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WORSHIP ME, YOU FUCKS!! ACCEPT EVERYTHING I SAY AS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, YOU FUCKS!! WORSHIP BY COMPLETE IMBECILITY!!! I AM THE AWESOME SHIT!! HAIL ME, YOU FUCKS!"
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Alternatively, you can offer him your ass, he will accept it gladly. Just ask Lost Jarv.
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After Lost Jarv, of course.
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Oct 12, 2009 3:50:59 PM CDT
cymbalta4thedevil, the most dedicated Jar Jar Abrams' sycophant
by asimovlives
in all of AICN. This tireless repetition of the Paramount Pictures advertizement as "justification" for his liking of Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek is grandiose. It's historical. It's epochal!
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Oct 12, 2009 3:54:48 PM CDT
The typical Jar Jar Abram's Skank Trek groupies apologisms:
by asimovlives
The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! Jar Jar Abrams directed it out of the park! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! It's Nu Star Trek for the new generation! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The story runs fast!The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! It's the spirit of old star trek only not. The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! It's like old star trek only not. The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! Jar Jar Abrams directed it out of the park! The movie is FUUUUUUN!The movie is FUUUUUUN! Jar Jar Abrams directed it out of the park! The movie is FUUUUUUN! Jar Jar Abrams directed it out of the park! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN! The movie is FUUUUUUN!
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Speak for yourself, you Michael Bay-edited trash action movie junkie! Speak for yourself! You frame-fucking editing junkies are unbelievable!
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Godo mvoies are always fun. It doesn0t matter if the movie is fast paced or not. That's not what truly makes a movie fun. quality is what truly makes a movie fun to watch. Doesn't matter the subject. Doesn't matter the genre. Quality matters. Quality is fun.Shit is not fun. Skank Trek style dumb idioticy is not fun. Only idiots do not understand this simple concept.
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...is not the same without YOU. Why? Because THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!All kidding aside, I know you thoroughly enjoy COMMANDO. Why? Because it's FUN!
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Fuck Jar Jar Abrams up his fucking ass.
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I don't like Commando. I can't even say i enjoy it. It makes me laugh, because it's so bad and stupid. But i don't like it, nor i get a real enjoyment out of it. It's not true enjoyment, like i get from, say, Raiders Of The Lost Ark or Temple Of Doom or die hard, you know. Can i call it enjoyment what i get from Commando. In truth, i don't thing i can. Unless you can call enjoyment to schadenfreude, you know?
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Anjd no, man, a Michael Bay talkback is not the same WITHOUT your meme. Truly, you can always divide a Bay talkback before your meme and after your meme. It's like it unleashes things, you know?
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Doing it in public = funner.
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But it dies once they get into V'Ger.
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As in the New Spielberg who was reponsable for the two Transformers and Indy 4: Crystal Skullfuck movie atrocities.
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...we have meltdown!
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How odd!But wait...are you now saying that you don't even enjoy movies that are "so bad they're good"?
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...what i get from Commando. In truth, i don't thing i can."
Finally he admits it: AssLives simply cannot enjoy a movie on a visceral level. He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It. -
ST:TMP, when i saw it on TV in the mid 80s, it was totally enthralling. It was a complete mystery. Tehre was no way to guess what would happen next. and the whole sense of mystery and sens eof wonder for the mystery at had was marvelous. also, the movie was directed in that typical elegant style way that Robert Wise always did to his movies.And the scene when Kirk goes to the rebuild enterpreise, a whole sequence played only with visiuals, silent acting and that marvelous Jerry Goldsmith music, it's pure cinema magic! Also, those wonderful scenes of the enterprise flying by over the gian V'Ger, completly dwarfed by the huge size of the thing, are also anotehr pure momnt of cinema magic. And then there's the quiet moments of characterization, here Wise doesn't go for pirotecnics and melodramatic, but he plays it low key but to the spot. And Spock's monologue after his travel and mindmeld with V'Ger and his explanation of the importance of having a capacity to feel friendship for Kirk and Bones is a great moment of acting from Nimoy, hwere he understates it and yet tells it all. That's real acting! It's not just ST2 that has good acting, there's more of that spread out throughout the whole saga... except in Jar Jar Abrams's abortion.
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"It makes me laugh, because it's so bad and stupid. But i don't like it, nor i get a real enjoyment out of it. It's not true enjoyment, like i get from, say, Raiders Of The Lost Ark or Temple Of Doom or die hard, you know. "
AssLives can only experience one type of "true enjoyment" of film. Other people can enjoy movies the way he does AND enjoy dumb fun to varying degrees. This ability eludes and confuses AssLives which is why he lashes out at people who have it. Sad. -
Twice!! And I was like 10. The only things I found great were the space shots, and Kirk coming back to the Enterprise. My abosulte favorite part was when Spock flies into V'ger in his space suit thing. Too bad the visuals weren't as good as the story, which blew.
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including the TV shows. The problem with Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek is that the whole movie is made of silly moments. From begining to end, with no respite.
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You must be insane. Nimoy is one of the most wooden actors in history. His performance in Star Trek The Motionless Picture is no exception. This is a prime example of you lacking the ability to enjoy the movie on its own merits without injecting bullshit justifications.
Read my lips, AssLives: It's okay to like a movie with a bad central performance in it. It doesn't mean other people will think you are a bad person for doing so. Only people like Asslives would th-- Oops, sorry... -
I didn't watched ST:TMP at the theaters because my parents were enver movie buffs, and they had a particular low opinion of Science Fiction. Even though my mother found Mr Spock pretty funny (the ears!) and interesting... which i think all women did, right?When ST:TMP came out in the theaters i would be like 9, probably. no way i would go alone to see it, and no way my parents would go to the movies with me to see that. They considered movies to be a luxury, something not worth to spend money on where it could be better employed elsewhere. So, for me, all my major movie experiences until the mid teens was from watching television. Many of my first experience watching the great classics was through television. Only later i got the change to chat up some of those classics through theatrical re-runs, like with Blade Runner, 2001 and Clockwork Orange. Yeah, i watched Clockwork Orange in tyhe theater, and let me tell you this, it belongs there. however much highly you think of it, the movie is much better in the big screen, totally belongs there. It's my great pity i never got to watch Alien, Conan The Barbarian, The Shining and Carpener's The Thing in the theater.
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Nimoy wooden? Look at the Trek II death scene, and the Trek III rebirth scene. Fantastic acting. Eff you in the ass.
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Well, my Dad was a big Trek fan so, he and I went to the movie. It was at one of those dollar theaters, so we didn't pay much, but I do remember when Kirk comes back on the screen some guy behind me said, "There he is!" so, I got into the movie.
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I i said that Lawrence Of Arabia is a great movie, you would imediatly dismiss it and say i would be full of shit, just because i said so. the only reason you wouldn't go to that extreme is because, stupid that you are, you wouldn't be that much of a fool to dare say that, or else risking been seen for the fucking idiot you truly are. Go fuck yourself, you fucking asshole! You never know what you are talking about. What a fucking idiot you are!
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7 months of being on my case for the msot stupid and lame idiotc retarded of reasons, and now, suddently, out of the blue, you decide to go civil on me? Fuck off, retard! Go fuck yourself! You think i'm as stupid as you are? You think i don't know your second inentions? go fuck yourself, bitch. Go suck DocPazuzu's ass, you are good at it. Not to think, to get fucked in the ass by DocPazuzu. Go fuck yourself! Fucking asshole!
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...IS a great movie. Why would I deny that? Who do you think I am -- lockesbrokenleg?
Again, you display your cinema myopia. See, it's literally impossible for you to grok a person who admires the truly great works of cinema (like LOA) yet also can enjoy The Toxic Avenger, Abrams' Star Trek or Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge.
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You got to watch The Shat in the theater?You know one of the things i do get envious about americans? That many of the people of the age of my dad were fans of Star Trek or some other classic Sf show and watched it on TV right at the time when it was first aired. Star Trek, Twilight Zone, or gone to the movies and watched The Day The Earth Stood Still. Sadly, that is nothing that can be found in my country, and mostly, was due to the censorship that reigned here back at the time,. since my country was a dictatorship back then, and the state controlled very thighly movies from abroad. Adn they had a particular low opinion on SF and horror. In fac,t in many ways, my own generation are the first true movie geeks in my country. There has always been cinephiles, here, but they weren't really movie geeks, you understand what i'm saying?
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Now he's so desperate he's sucking up to a guy who has gone on record attacking Empire Strikes Back as well as hating on The Godfather and Citizen Kane.
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I don't have a problem with people liking Toxic Avenger. I totally understand why a person would like that movie. It's also the type of movie i have blast watching too. And you know why? Because it's an honest movie. It wears it's exploitation in it's sleeve, and that is a kind of honesty that bullshit like Jar Jar Abram's Shit Trek doesn't have.What you don't fucking understand is what i'm saying when i talk about quality and honesty about movies. You do not get it, despite my constant explanations. Which makes you look like a fool and an idiot. Really, to quote from Christian Bale, what don't you fucking understand? Fucking ass, man!Guess what, i enjoyed TokYo Gore Police immensely. Yes i did. I even bought the DVD. Now put that and try to fit in with your fucking stupid perception of what you erroneously think of me, dumbass! Try to understand whty i would like Tokyo Gore Police and yet piss on Jar Jar Abrasm's Skank Trek. You wouldn't need to be a genious to understand, but you would need be to be a dumbass to not get it either.
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Starting with Trek II, I saw all of them on opening weekend. All the way to Nemesis. It was a great run. During Trek IV people were clapping and laughing at all the jokes. I saw that three times in the theater.
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"Now he's so desperate he's sucking up to a guy who has gone on record attacking Empire Strikes Back as well as hating on The Godfather and Citizen Kane."What the fuck you are talking about, asshole?
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Oh, please. I love ST2 and the death scene to bits but that doesn't mean it's because of Nimoy's performance. He's as wooden as Shatner is hammy. That doesn't lessen the enjoyment of the scene or the movie.
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Go watch The Office, or something. I never said I hated ESB. I love ALL the SW movies. That's right, even Attack of the Clones, so stuff that in your sorry ass.
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Was Tokyo Gore Police dumb fun? Is Toxic Avenger dumb fun?
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Wow, that'll teach me.
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...but you hate muppet Yoda.
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Where did I ever say that you delusional freak? I like both the puppet and the CG creation. I do have Frank Oz's sig in my SW collection, so stuff that in your Buffy the Vampire slayer collection.
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Star Trek IV: Saving The Whales was the first ST movie i saw in the theaters. I had seen the 3 previous movies on video, though, so i was completly in the loop with the story so far. At the time i had a blast watching it. Thing is, with time my enthusiasm for that movie died out. It's one of the St movies i have less interest in rewatching it. I love the character interactions, some of the jokes are good, and i really loved the way the movie handles tha tfact that, despiste the crew saves Earth, they still go on court martial form the crimes they comited in the previous movie. The people who wrote that movie, at the very least knew how the military really operates. Itr's the thing i most praise and most satisfies me about that movie. But the eco message, good intentioned that it is, sits ill with me. It's too on the nose, and quite uncharactiristical for Star Trek, which used to be a bit more subtle.
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...point to where I said I like Buffy, hate AICN and love Steven Seagal movies and I'll show you, okay?
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Roberto Orci does the commentary for Trek IV, and it's pretty decent. I thought Trek IV, was fun, and I still enjoy it. I like how all the cast gets a moment in the movie.
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"I love ST2 and the death scene to bits but that doesn't mean it's because of Nimoy's performance. He's as wooden as Shatner is hammy."Oh for fuck's sakes!!! do you evne know good acting when you see one? Everything has to be melodramatics for you? You cna't understand Nimoy's is doing an EXCELENT piece of acting in that scene? Are you that dense? Small wonder you liked that Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek bullshit, that TV melodramatic teen acting crap from the movie might suite more your shit sensebilities. Fucking ass!! You know what would be so awesome of you? for you to claim there's great acting in skank Trek! I would love to see you say that! It would be a blast! Fucking ass, man!
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Oct 12, 2009 4:56:13 PM CDT
Wow. If your best insult is "Go watch The Office, or something.
by mr. nice gaius
...then...well, I think it speaks for itself.
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Neither Tokyo Gore Police or Toxic Avenger are dumb fun. Those mvoies were made with a specific intention, and with a specific audience target. They are very honest in that. And in the case of Tokyo Gore Police, there's more to it, there's more ambition to it then what a dumb ass like you would be able to udnerstand. there's a lot of subtext in that movie that harkens back to the history of Japan in the early 20th century. An ignorant fuck like you wouldn't understand that.That'd why Toxic Avenger and Tokyo Gore Police are good mvoies that are very enjoyable and there's no shame to like them. they are not guilty pelasure,s because there's no guilt to be had for liking them. This movies are honest.Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek is not an honest movie. It's a con movie. It treats the audiences as morons. It's a dumb movie made by dumb people for dumb people. You need to be a moron to not understand that.
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DocPazuz lied about you? That's not suprising, he does that a lot. worst, he believes his own lies.Yiou know, if you really hate Citizen Kane, that's your problem. You are wrong in disliking it, it is a truly grreat movie, you do not know what you are missing. But truly, i'm enjoying too much our civil conversation about Star Trek to be upset or even care about that now. Maybe later, but not now, you know what i mean.
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Yeah, but is he talking about the UK The Office or US The Office?
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Great acting? No. Decent to good acting from most players (Greenwood, Urban, Cross to name a couple), sure. It was all perfectly adequate for the film at hand.
Nimoy is a terrible actor. You obviously haven't seen him play anything other than Spock. Let me relieve you of the mystery: he's ALWAYS played Spock, even when he played Golda Meir's husband and guest-starred on Hawaii Five-Oh.
To quote Harry Calahan, "a man has got to know his limitations", and you, sir, do not. You can't admit to yourself that Shatner and Nimoy are terrible because you think someone will notice you liked something containing an element of less than stellar quality and will giggle behind your back. Thing is, AssLives, you fail to notice everyone guffawing right in your face because you're so uptight and fearful. -
Don't you have some fucking BSG convention to go to you sorry asshole?
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... how was the US version of LIFE ON MARS?
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Apparently you don't know that Leonard Nimoy was nominated for an EMMY for Spock? It was for Trek's first season. The only time Trek was ever nominated for an acting Emmy.
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Thank you for proving my point about you.
"Those mvoies were made with a specific intention, and with a specific audience target."
Sooo... does that mean a movie can't have the "specific intention" of being dumb fun? Geared toward an audience who enjoys dumb fun on occasion?
For the third time, what about The Beastmaster? Lifeforce? Piranha 2?
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So? Rod Steiger got a fucking Oscar and he's one of the worst actors who ever lived.
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Yes, it is a fine film for some, and I do own the DVD, but I don't love it like I do Star Wars, or King Kong, etc.
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Something tells me lockes watches the US version of THE OFFICE. Naturally, that means he's a fucking loser with no taste. But that's really not a surprise though, is it.
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A BSG convention? Why? Do you know of one happening?
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There is no good acting in Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek. All there is is good, professional actors trying to get away with terrible stupid juvenile dialogue. Karl Urban gets away with it best becasue half the lines he said in the movie are direct quotations or paraphrasings of lines form the TV show, from TOS. When he doesn't, his lines are as terrible as the rest.If ther eis one thing i hacve to say a nice thing about Skank Trek is the actors, i liked the cast. I loved the choice of Zachary Quinto as Spock. He is Spock. âs for poor Chris Pine, the characte rhe played was so bad and his lines so atrocious, i can't even tell he is a bad actor or was just completly saboutaged by the shit crap he had to say and act that nothing of his qualities as an actor came through. I'm mostly inclidned for the second interpretation, and i land the blame square at Bob The Porci, The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abram's terrible actors direction in that abortion of a movie.As for Leonard Nimoy's acting, you need to be pretty thick and dumb to think he is not a good actor. Nicholas Meyers in Star Trek 2 directro's comentary track cannot stop praising Nimoy's acting in the movie, he calls him an actor's actor. and you know, i rather trust Meyer's opinion of Nimoy's merit as an actor over your ill-informed and ignorant opinion. For you to say tyhat Nimoy is not a good actor again proves what a fucking clueless cown you are. Fucking get a clue, dude, or fuck off. Fucking ass!
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Uhhh, under what circumstances could that statement ever be wrong or controversial? Hell, it doesn't even mean anything. It's like saying "some people like to eat eggs." WTF?
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It's as expected, you really don't fucking get it abouty Toxic Avenger, Tokyo Gore Police and Skank Trek. Why i'm not suprised? What a fucking ass you are! Fucking lemming midget!
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So you know of the UK version of THe Office! What you think of it? Me, i think it's one of the best, most inovative piece of comedy done in UK, and that's saying a lot. Though, to tell you the truth, i still prefer League Of Gentleman. If you haven't seen that yet, i cannot urge you enough to check it out. Never anythign made me laugh so much as that. -and, occasionally, scare as well. all i need to say is "You are my wife now!" And "Are you local?"
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Why on Earth would Meyer say anything else while commenting on his own film? Do you always listen to what you're being told or do you ever form an opinion of your own based on what you're watching?
Nimoy is awful. And there's nothing wrong with that in Star Trek.
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Are you ever going to answer the question I put to you? I answered all your Star Trek questions further up on the board, so how about you show some intellectual balls, man up and come clean? Or are you afraid to go head-to-head on this?
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What you are talking about Citizen Kane and King Kong is jsut you are stating a matter of preferences. You know that CK is a good movie, but you prefer King Kong. That's fine. you know, i also bought the KK's DVD, it has quite a few nice extras, including a small bio on the filmmakers who made them (their lives could make for a movie). and as i rewatched it recently, i gained a new appreciation of it. I think that, despiste all it's fame and all it's following, the movie is quite underrated in it's quality. People think of it as the monster movie, and it's has been reimaginated recentlty as this romantic story about a beast and a human, which, frankly,i think it's all a bunch of horseshit. But sen it for what it is, i think it's a remarkably sophisticated movie for what one would call it a "monster movie". In fac,t the movei is so filled with holywood jargonm and the moviemaking process, that the movie is pratically post-modern before post-modernism even existed. It's an aspect of the mvoie that mostly goes unnoticed and uncomented. also, the mlvie has a killer dialogue said in a type of a wonderful american jargon that was only spoken in the 30s and that era, and which, sadly, was so missing from the recent overbloated remake by Peter Jackson.If somebody says they love Kong Kong, i totally udnerstand why. The movie deserves the love.
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...I have the Toxic Avenger DVDs as well as Tokyo Gore Police, and am quite read up on the themes TGP employs. That doesn't mean it isn't dumb fun as well.
We could spend the rest of this debate/argument in a DVD collection pissing contest (which you would lose) but what's the point? -
It has lobby cards and a making of book in it. It's great. The transfer is perfect. Kong's googly eyes are funny, and it's odd to think that it was ever censored. The KK disc even has a really cool extra where Peter Jackson directed scene of a cut scene from Kong.
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...now he's the first person to "discover" the TRUE merits of King Kong.
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Go fuck yourself, idiot! Have you listen to the comentary? He deosn't space on Shatner's more lazy take on acting, he makes no bones about comenting on how shatner always neded more takes then nimoy, on how Nimoy always got it right the first time,. Why would he be partical to Nimoy and not to Shatner? That's because Nimoy IS good actor. Meyer's is too honest in his audio comentary for such ass sucking bullshit like YOU WILL GET IN THE JAR JAR ABRAMS'S SHIT TREK AUDIO COMENTARY, then the DVD comes.Agfain, you prove to be such a fucking pompous asshole. youa re such a know it all, aren't you? And yet, you are such an ignorant. Yeah, i take what nicvholas Meyer says about nimoy's ability as an actor over your misguided misguided stupidity. You god complex bulslhit is hystericla for how pathetic it is. Go fuck yourself, asshole! What a fucking useless idiot you are. Fucking ass, man! Only diots and retards would think you are anything other then a stupid misguided ignorant asshole. What a fucking idiot! Fuck off!
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Didnt Michael Crichton do this in Sphere? Its not much to get worked up over anyway, surely.
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You are stupid, You are ignorant. You know shit. Youa re so stupid, you can't even understand why movies like Toxiv Avenger and Tokyo gore Police do not fit nor they deserve to be called dumb fun. Youa re so stupid, you can't even understand the simple concept that dumb is not fun. You are such a lemming, you bough all that stupid notion of the dumb fun crap. How more fucking lame and stupid can you get? A fucking brainwashed lemming.Mediocre shit filmmakers like Jar Jar Abrams, Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer have a lot to thank for the existence of idiots like youself. Fucking ass!
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...it's been real.
I am now off to bed but I'll be back tomorrow.
Now's your big chance, AssLives, to build huge, impregnable walls of film-wanky gibberish around your positions. Fortify them as much as you can. Bury my question under tons of irrelevant horseshit in the hope that it will be forgotten.
But you know what?
I'm still coming over that wall for you tomorrow, bayonet in hand. -
Enjoyed it.
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No, you fucking asshole, i'm not the first person to know the merits of King Kong, you fucking retard! But i know that, compared to what most geeks speak about, i see that King kong is a bit more then just "that monster movie", that even geeks to self-profess to like it still see it as merely that mosnter mvoie with the big ape and nothing else, as if they feel asleep everytime the movie doesn't feature the big ape. Yeah, i get tos e aprofundity in the mvoei that many geeks don't seme to be aware of. It's not exclusive of me, you fucking asshole. Whjat a fucking piece of shit you ar,e you fucking retard, go get fucked in the ass, fucking asshole! go shove your fucking nancy boy ego up your fucking ass and get fucked! Fuck off, you unsufferable moron!
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I haven't seen The Black Hole for a long time. i do remeber i was not too terribly impressed with it. And really, the movie is really weird, weird inthe sense that it seems nobody really knew what the hell they should do with it. Aparently, the ending was a last minute thing they come up with, and it kinda shows.
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I can only endorse feeding goats - not fucking them.Thank you.
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All is good here in NY dude, I have not been on much lately mostly because I started a new job recently. I hesitate to post my opinion on JJ's Trek, because I have no desire to get sucked into what has really become a dead argument, and quite hoenstlyhas become a childish insult fest. But because you asked, I will tell you. I liked it, it was far from perfect, but I thought it was a good start. I thought the casting was very good as well as the acting. There were things about the story that were weak and I hope they work on that for the next one. I am tired of the crap about Spock how he should not be emotional and crap, I made a point about it in a previous post that was completely ignored by all the haters, because what I said was fact, but I am used to my valid points being ignored. Anyways that is my shortened opinion. Hope all is good with you bro, good talking to you, take care.
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I fear I may have been mistaken for somebody else.
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One was that the woman character was at the Sistine Chapel in Rome, and she looks up and sees all the main characters in the famous painting. The ending was even shot, and filmed, but the ending now, I like to think they went through the Hole, and found themselves back at Earth.
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"Fuck Roman Polanski! He fucked that girl in her fucking ass!"
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I shall now sing a song I done wroted out for our dear, beloved Mammaries of Mommy, and it a goes a somethin' like this: (Sounds of inflating abound) I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumpI'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'mI'm a goathumper a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper Andddddddddd AbramsTrekGAYBAYsuccccccccccksssss... You kin expectorate to see this on YooToob soon.
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The problem with AsimovLives is his posts are all silly moments. From beginning to end with no respite.
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Jesus! And I thought all the nitpicky, lying, hate-filled crack-babies posted on Chud. Guess not.
These idiotic Trek haters (AsimovLives)are becoming retarded douchers and just plane wrong like the "Star Wars" prequel bashers.
I will continue to say it, if you hate the new Trek, you were NEVER a fan. Fuck you if you are one of those lazy casual fuckers who have no investment in Trek. The movie was not meant for you so who gives a damn if it made your cement head hurt.
JJ delivered a nice love letter to Treks fans. If you can't see that, it's your loss. -
"So? Rod Steiger got a fucking Oscar and he's one of the worst actors who ever lived." I knew i wasn't alone in this thinking. I once watched Fistful of Dynamite after Good, Bad, Ugly and Rod Steiger did such a weakass version of the mexican bandit compared to Eli Wallach's attempt, it felt so fake, like he was clowning around retardedly instead of being a real character who had some clown aspects like Wallach did. And then figured out he actually won an oscar while Wallach never did. I read Leone's bio Something to do with Death and he was even shitty to work with, ego factor and overindulging on method in contrast to Wallach who worked with Leone flawlessly without any trouble to a point where he called Leone a beautiful person.
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Gnu to AICN are you?
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Oct 12, 2009 6:49:37 PM CDT
This TB is like watching a car full of clowns crashing
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
You're wondering whether you should be laughing or reacting in horror as you witness it.
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It reminds me of the time when I sat down with a group of people to watch Napoleon Dynamite. Everyone else was laughing and i was simply staring ahead with a confused look on my face.
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You made me smile. I will not order you to fuck off.You may remain.
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Maybe I need to re-read that interview to get what was so important that it was embargoed in the first place.
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Wayne's World did it much better.
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Anyone who EVER took the technobabble (or should that be Treknobabble?) on Star Trek seriously needs to read Moore's recent comments on SCIFIWIRE on syfy.com"It became the solution to so many plotlines and so many stories. It was so mechanical that we had science consultants who would just come up with the words for us and we'd just write "tech" in the script. You know, Picard would say "Commander Le Forge, "tech" the "tech" to the warp drive. I'm serious. If you look at those scripts you'll see that.""It's a rhythm and a structure and the words are meaningless. It's not about anything except just sort of going through this dance of how they tech their way out of it."This from a man who wrote some of the best episodes of TNG and DS9.I've said it before and I'll say it again: You Abrams/Orci haters will buy 30 years of bullshit made up as they go along pseudoscience involving everything from the Genesis Planet reanimating Spock's katraless corpse to slingshotting around the sun as a form of time travel, but you have a problem with Red Matter and transwarp beaming?FUCK YOU.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
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I shall now sing a song I done wroted out for our dear, beloved Mammaries of Mommy, and it a goes a somethin' like this: (Sounds of inflating abound)
I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumpI'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'mI'm a goathumper a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper I'm a goathumper
Andddddddddd AbramsTrekGAYBAYsuccccccccccks ssss...
You kin expectorate to see this on YooToob soon. -
Where the seasons go by while the two keep fighting. It's surreal.
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is when they get court martialed?Is his favorite part of Animal House when Otter gets beat up? Or when Kevin Bacon gets paddled and says "Thank you Sir! May I Have Another?"Wait. Don't answer that. I don't wanna know...
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I'VE REGISTERED AT AICN PURELY TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU ARE A CUNT.
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...IN THIS TB WHO WOULD LOVE NOTHING BETTER THAN TO RIM JJ'S STINKY ASSHOLE, THE NEW TREK IS STILL ASS."
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I'M LOVING WHAT YOU'RE WEARING TONIGHT YOU FUCKING TWAT.
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..THE FINGERING UP YOUR ANUS POST A FEW LINES UP IS PURE GOLD AND GOT ME QUITE HOT.
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is just mad because I Use CAPS LOCK occasionally...
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This from the same guy who gave us the extremely talky "Here's everything you want to know about Cylon's." episode?
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for that Mona Lisa of a post.
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I LIKE THAT CYMBALLS. IT'S GOT A NICE RING TO IT. I'M GOING TO RUN IT BY MY COUSIN TITBAG AND SEE WHAT SHE THINKS BUT SHE'S IN A FOUL MOOD SINCE THE BAN HAMMER AND MIGHT GIVE ME A RIGHT PROPER FISTING IF I'M NOT CAREFUL.
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THE HOT FUCKING MILF WHO WAS DESMOND'S WIFE ON LOST GIVES ME WOOD EVERYTIME I SEE HER AND I HAVE TO RUN TO THE BACK CLOSET TO RUB ONE OUT EVERY TIME I SEE HER. FUCKING HELL.
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It got me wondering why TV always pairs up Koreans with Blacks, romantically speaking. Though one cannot do much better than Gabrielle Union. I'm sure her lovely poophole is a fine place to eat kimchi out of.
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EVERYONE KNOWS THAT A FINE BLACK WOMAN WOULDN'T TOLERATE THE TINY PEEPEE OF ANY ASIAN OR WHITE BOY.
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Or was it time travel? Hmmm.
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THE MARINES HAVE LANDED AND YOUR ASS IS MINE - BUT I WILL SHARE IT WITH XIPHOS BECAUSE HE WANTS A PIECE OF IT TOO! YOU BANDICOOT LICKING TONGUE CLEANER!
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if they're not already the same person..how any cunt can sit there like a drooling retard and type that caps lock shit we all just scroll past is beyone belief.
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it says a lot that a social abortion like taintlick is the kind of 'thing' that shares the same views as Asshole (who dreams he's intelligent and tasteful) demonstrates the kind of blithering scum at the bottom of the sink who think alike.
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...GOING TO BE SHARING A FOXHOLE SOON? I BET YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND DON'T FORGET TO BRING THE INSECT REPELLANT AND LUBE.
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You heard it hear first.
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YOU WOMBAT FUCKER!
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WHAT?
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I was asking if Assimov_Lives is related to Super Welling? You guys crack me up. Do you really feel that dropping F bombs, commenting on people's homosexual activity and typing in all caps is a meaningful way of getting your point across? Your litle puns are terrible too. Skank Trek? Really? And you really love that Jar Jar Abrams bit.
I'll say it agin, if you made an argument other than "It's shit", or [random comment about Abram's homosexual activities] I might take you seriously. Instead we'll get more "Raaa Jar Jar do sexy things with men. Me no like Shit Trek. Ha Ho." And again, if you can tell me you think Insurrection was better than JJ's Trek, then we clearly are on two different wavelengths. And I'd just as soon it stay that way. I'll be awaiting your reply involving a comment about what sexual things I do with men written in all caps. Capital bit of humor, sir. -
YOU SHEEP-SHAGGING, GOAT-ROGERING,MOMMY-SISTER FUCKER! THE DONKEY CALLED, YOUR TESTS CAME BACK POSITIVE, BUT HE STILL LOVES YOU!
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...We're just saying you have no taste, probably aren't that bright, and thus, should refrain from using up the internet's valuable bandwidth with your demonstrably worthless opinions.
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I heard it was an over bloated piece of shit.
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asimovlives...question...do you like aliens? cameron's movie of course.....
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You heard wrong.
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"Robocop" on the other hand is honest and sublime.
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taste is relative, you can like a film for being playful nonsense, or like it for the experience of going to the cinema with your mates. But, I don't think anyone is arguing that "Star Trek"(2009) is 'sophisticated' science fiction. But, then neither is ST:TOS, ST:NG, ST:DS9
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—don't get caught up in the 'hype' and watch it with an open mind. The main character ISN'T likable, but his characters story arc is about redemption.
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I saw it done in Star Wars, Trek, Watchmen, GI JOE, Terminator, etc. It's been done before in Sci Fi, and better.
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now...you're stealing the oxygen of everyone with a brain at their disposal.
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they can fool some all the time, and they can fool many most of the time, but they can't fool everybody all the time.
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I described the reasons why i admire the ciourt martial scene in ST4, and yet you could not understand why? Are you daft? Should i even be asking you this, since you are such a fanboy of Skank Trek? And have you ever asnwered my questions about the logic beyind the ridiculous stupidity in the whole Hoth sequence in Skank Trek? Can you have more arguments in support of Skank Trek other then what was in Paramount Pictures' advertizement press release?
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It's already well known what an intellectual midget you are, no need to keep proving it.
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because they consider AICN to be a place where group-think rules all over it, form the staff down to the majority of the geek participants. And seeing the group-think that goes around about Skank Trek, it's hard not to agree.
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You know, Spock not being emotional is his character signature. Remove that from him, and what you get? Another human with pointed ears? Jar Jar Abrasm's Skank Trek mistake about spock was it's insistence that he should have emotions, and turn him into an emo. When if they had presented him in all his logical splendor, and even had him unemotional about his mother's death and his homeworld destruction, it would had made a bigger impact. It would had made him more alien, which is kinda the point, because HE IS AN ALIEN. Remove the logic out of Spock, and you cease to have Spock. You migth start calling him Sproggy for all it's worth.
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Oct 13, 2009 2:52:03 AM CDT
Did you notice the mistake in the court martial sequence
by lockesbrokenleg
though. Listen carefully. At the beginning of the movie, the Federation President says that Kirk has been charged with 9 violations of Starfleet Regulations, but at the end of the movie, he only lists six.
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Spock has always had issues with his Human/Vulcan identity. It actually makes sense that he wouldn't be completely un-emotional. That is a point of tension in some of the novels and in TOS.
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they really can't get past their nostalgia for the earlier series. The faults in the J.J. Abrams movie are pronounced, but similar faults/gapses in logic are in TOS, DS9, Voyager,and good God, Enterprise.I don't think the idea of the reboot is a bad one, how it was handled in some instances are questionable. But, it's definitely not worse than some of the stupefying silliness that can be found in some of the other series (most obviously Enterprise—Scott Bakula deserved WAY better material).Thank God, for Harlan Ellison and "City on the Edge of Forever," for the best of the time travel Trek episodes.
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Here's how shallow and unimaginative you are, AssLives:
If you had watched a hypothetical movie dealing with the early years of Sho Kosugi's badass ninja, you'd be wailing about how pathetic it was to show him making mistakes and not being the "trademarked" full-blooded killing machine we all know and love from Revenge of the Ninja.
"It's so stupid! Kosugi is a rigorous and stringent death dealer! What's all this struggling with his nature bullshit?"
You want familiar, fully formed and pre-packaged items which you feel comfortable with. You have never completed an emotional journey in your life more complicated than grappling with the roiling feelings in your brain upon discovering you're all out of toilet paper after just having taken a humongous, wet favas guizadas com chourico shit. This is why you're so threatened by origin films and are incapable of envisioning character development during the following films. I'm sure you were confused and unsettled by how seldom Daniel Craig wore a tux in Casino Royale.
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...you sure can't seem to remember that Spock is half human. Furthermore, Vulcans don't LACK emotion -- they have merely suppressed it in order to let logic dictate life, society and culture. Spock, being half human, wrestles with this more than most Vulcans. Having him be extra hot-headed as a youth is... logical.
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From the top: 1)Consistently insulting people based on sexual preference, especially to the extent of inventing an imaginary sexual relationship between 2 people that have never met is homophobic. I find it surprising that you can't see this. 2)Lawrence of Arabia is a great movie. It is not fun. The two things are not necessarily inclusive. Commando IS fun, but is not a great movie. Why do you not understand this3)Regarding Toxie. I can't say I'm surprised to see you latch on to it as, sadly, it's the only Troma film that you can justify through psuedo-intellectual wankery, in that it's a fuck sight smarter than it pretends to be. Only you would like Toxie for these reasons and miss the sheer comedy of it. I will take Toxie off the table and ask if you think that Chopper Chicks in Zombietown is fun. 4)Occasionally a sense of magnanimity takes over and I make a futile attempt to help you rejoin the human race. I won't do it again. 5)You want to compare DVD collections? Please do fuck off you dipshit. Although, admittedly, I don't own any goat porn so you've got me there. 6)The UK version of the office is not innovative. If you had the slightest clue about us, despite what you say, then you would know that it is actually the culmination of a (for want of a better name) movement that started with People Like Us and The Royle Family. 7)There isn't a prayer that you get the jokes in League of Gentlemen- it's very heavily rooted in British Culture, of which you clearly understand nothing. In fact, I'll bet that you like it because someone told you it was quality. 8)"I known american geeks who gave up coming here"- I doubt this very much.
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I think he only likes things that a consensus has as "quality", but he also has a perversely iconoclastic streak that means he dislikes much that is currently popular. Especially that which is popular with those he deems to be of lesser intelligence than himself. Although how someone that actively prefers the anus of a goat can cast aspersions is quite beyond me.
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I hold my hand up to disliking almost everything Star Trek, and even I knew that he was half human. There's a bit in IV where he's doing Vulcan logic puzzles and the computer asks him "how do you feel" and his mother (human) explains what it means to him. For someone that allegedly loves Dork Trek to this extent, I find it surprising that you've forgotten something so key.
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...the irony that he accuses AICN of group think yet has the safest, "quality" movie taste on record seems to elude him completely.
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Aicn seeing how stupid it was and lifting it weeks earlier?
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Heard some talk on this tb here on this, call me crazy as i get older but i'm starting to appreciate the movies that are less about seriousness and more about lightheartedness, which is a very tough thing to balance to not make it stupid, this is just the right path they could have went after 2 and 3. When the crew are standing around and Kirk goes "spread out you look like a cadet review" and they start ambling around aimlessly, now that is just golden. In any case it's probably my fav movie from my birthyear, but then again i like highlander, and three amigos more than aliens and platoon so what do i know.
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I just ignored that to begin with. "post modern before post modern existed" what, dickhead, you mean "modern". Bullshit revisionism coupled with a ludicrous need to retroactively apply critical terms. Disgusting
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fucking twat. I do bet, however, that he's got nothing good to say about Toxie 2 or (better still) either The Last Temptation of Toxie or Citizen Toxie
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You're very wrong about ST:NG and ST:DS9 not being "sophisticated"...they're both brilliant in their own ways. Not each and every episode, but in their overall story arcs.
NEXT GENERATION started out as a retread of TOS, with a nice, contented Federation back to exploring "brave new worlds". But bumping up against a far superior entity named Q resulted in discovering the greatest TREK nemesis ever, The Borg, who also began stirring things up with the dormant Romulans. By the time the series ended, all manner of entertaining political and military confrontations had occurred between the Federation, Borg, Romulans, Klingons and some new baddies, the Cardassians. What's more, it had possibly the greatest SF series finale ever.
DS9 was even more clever. Not only were the Cardassian bullies more fully explored, in addition to their punching-bag neighbors, the Bajorans, but there was a new threat at least as innovative as The Borg introduced with The Dominion...a group of slave races fighting on behalf of a cowardly "Founder" race from beyond a wormhole, that was itself inhabited by a group of temporally detached aliens.
Along with the much maligned (some of it fair) VOYAGER, the shows created a huge playing field for a number of interesting SF scenarios, comparable to STAR WARS and its still-growing Expanded Universe. ENTERPRISE was a huge misstep, because instead of continuing that expansion, it went backwards and shrank it; as for TREK's lousy performance in the cinemas, too much effort was made trying to dumb down its precedents for a wider audience.
What's grossly objectionable about the Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman approach is that it's not only doing the tedious prequel thing that failed with ENTERPRISE, but it's also arrogantly rebooting the entire series as if everyone who contributed to its longevity over the last four decades had somehow made a mistake. Worse, it's in dumbing-down overdrive, with two of the laziest, most scientifically illiterate screenwriters in the business at the helm.
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For someone who looooooooathessssssss all things Mikey_Bay, it'd be a start in the right direction. For our friend the Goatpumper from Oporto, that is. Personally I enjoyed Big Robots (Hitting Each Other Repeatedly) II despite itself and my own (sadly) idiotic inclinations. You have NOT lived til you've watched a DVD set of the Red Baron Giant Robot Series from the '70's! YES! You M*U*S*T* watch this. Trainwrecks don't come any better - take my word for it. Manos never had it so bad.
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He is massively ill-equipped for Troma. Curse him.
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Watch TOS and everytime spock is asked who he is, Human or Vulcan, he always repies Vulcan. Spock gets to be even more vulcan because he sucessfully submerges his human side with the vulcan logic discipline. He's more vulcan then vulcan, in fact. and always, always, his vulcan side overcomes his human side.What i don't udnerstand is this eagerness form so many to want to have Spock with feeliong,s lots of feelings. Basically, you want to decharacterize Spock. You want Spock to cease to be Spock. And that, pardon the pun, is highly illogical.
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His stuff is so fucking stylish - think early Tony Scott before his editing went epileptic in DOMINO. Everything has to look TRES KEWL. nd it usually does. This is usually around the time that I come in with a well-reasoned diatribe about how style over substance is killing Hollywood, how you need a decent steak to appreciate the cheeseburgers JJ and co keep tossing at us, and how the new STAR TREK is basically a STAR WARS movie - all action, none of the thoughtfulness and intelligence that was the mainstay (and unique selling point) of ST:TOS, and ST:TNG in particular.
BUUUUUUUUUT...
JJ does entertaining TV and movies EXTREMELY well. M:I-3 was a blast compared to 1 and 2. ALIAS was fun. LOST is hands-down my favourite show on TV, and I'm even liking FRINGE (not that it will EVER be as good as the show it so transparently wants to be, THE X FILES) - but that TREK movie.
I fucking ENJOYED it. You bastard, Abrams!
You won the chicks over with that fantastic emotional opening. The action's great. The ship looks good. The effects are amazing. Characters are sharply defined, quickly introduced, and we like ALL of them. Even Bana - who seems half-asleep as Nero - is still great.
I'm right that this TREK is basically STAR WARS in other clothing, and they've lost what makes it truly TREK.
But it's ENTERTAINING. Damn you, JJ!
Hell, I like the guy. Even if, after Bay, he's responsible (with Kurtzman and Orci) of more dumbed-down entertainment on the big screen in the last ten years than anyone else. Hell, in M:I-3 he didn't even bother to tell us what the MacGuffin is - couldn't be arsed! That looks like clever-clever post-modern wanky waving-at--the-would-be-scriptwriters, but actually it's fucking laziness.
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Troma is so great, even the mighty AICN cannot contain it.
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You are right in that in TOS, like many other Star Trek series, there's some things that don't match up too well. It's clear that they were creating stuff as they went along. And during the TOS, they didn't created the Trek enciclopedia to keep track of the new stuff and to make it match up the older stuff. And this is acknowledged by everybody.But at least,there's a certain logical explanation for the inconguities of the TOS. What cannot be as easily sweeped under the rug is the problems from Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek. They had a chance to make a thighly scripted movie. They had a chance to make things fit in better. they were not making an expanding TV series, they were making a movie, a self-contained entity. And soemthing which could be the genesis for a future expanding universe with sequels. Instead, they made a movie filled with the biggest amount of plot holes and narrative logic screws up outside of a Michael Bay movie. There's no excuse for that. The movie ifm fucjed up, and the filmmakers who made it fucked up. And what's aamzing is how so acceptable people are of the crass basic beginers's mistakes the movie makes, while the same people have been much harsher for movies with far less problems. Hell, there's more suporters of skank Trek here then of The Dark Knight. i'm supposed to believe then that Skank Trek is a better movie then The Dark Knight? Give me a break!Skank Trek has the kind of errros, mistakes and bad calls that makes for a bad movie. A very bad movie. but it's the fashionable movie to like of the monment, and as such, it's not fashjionable, it's not in the cool to acklowedge it's faults and mistakes and screws up. It's strange. It's damn byzarre! It's down right weird!
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Three fat old men chasing each other over a few rocks in what is obviously the Californian desert.
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I am NOT going to forgive your feral scripwriters for making a black hole (a) a planet eater, (b) a time portal and (c) something a starship can accelerate away from by detonating an ejected warp core, ALL AT THE SAME TIME!
not everyone is a fucking dunce. Some of us even understand, theoretically, what a black hole is, does, and how it works. So using one as a MacGuffin that EVERYONE on these TBs understands is wrong is not acceptable.
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You're giving AsimovLives very legitimate reasons (with these damnable obvious plot holes and blatant mistakes) to keep on spewing his hatred of new Trek, which in turn is turning every single TB on AICN into a long list of 1001 THINGS TO DO TO, WITH OR USING A GOATS ANUS. And that shit is not sanitary.
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Doe nobody watch Paul W S Anderson space movies any more??!??
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Listen dickhead, Spock was a half human Vulcan. I remember several references to his half human side and it isn't unreasonable to imagine that his cold, logical self was something that evolved. PS- I remember Nimoy being quite good in Bodysnatchers am I imagining things?
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Oct 13, 2009 7:52:48 AM CDT
NO, ASIMOV - SPOCK WAS ALWAYS IN TUNE WITH HIS HUMAN SIDE
by bringingsexyback
Even in the TOS, he constantly battled his emotions. New Trek nicely portrayed his sensitive and deeply living relationship with his mother. Vulcans are also the ancestral relatives of Romulans. They are innately more emotional than a chick on PMS, but they HAD to embrace logic as a way to suppress their emotions, lest they destroy themselves through war.
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p untill you said nice things about Paul "wank stain" Andrson and that shitty (though I will admit entertaining) movie of his......
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You are partially correct, Spock not being emotional is a signature character trait, but he is not 100% alien, only 50%. Now I never said I WANTED and emotional Spock, but at the same time, I don't have a problem seeing how Spock in his younger years still had problems controlling his human half, because as I already said, even in TOS there were a few times he had problems controlling it. If he was 100% Vulcan, you would be absolutey correct, but he is not, he is only half. Now that being said, if they continue with giving him emotions in the next film, then yes I will have a big problem with that, but for one movie, it's fine.
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Very good point, well said, and absolutely true.
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And thanks Rogueleader.
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while at the series,he was indeed always trying to suppress his feelings in order to act more like Vulcan and feel accepted by his compatriots,in the movies he looked that he finally had embraced his other half humand-side,make peace with it and live with it.
i really love the 2 scenes in ST4 the one at the start of the movie,when the computer asks a perplexed spock how does he feel,then he asks his mother whats the purpose of this question,and at the end of the movie he tells to his father to deliver the message to his mother,that he feels fine.
now thats good writing,do we have something like that in JJs movie?oh i forgot they killed his fucking mother,so no way to explore Spock introspectively using his mother.But instead we can do this in the future,having him in a bar,heavily drunken and opening his broken heart to the barman.maybe we can have him vomit as some point of the converstation.oh well,it sounds stupid but it looks fun. -
JJ seriously needs to stop working with the 2 worst writers of Sci-fi in Hollywood. I also found the new Trek entertaining, but man was that script dumb. I really hope JJ has an intelligent script (and hello allegory) for the next one, and also, no more Star Warsing up Trek. I love SW but thats not what Trek is for fucks sake. Give me a clever Star Trek film that actually has something interesting to say.....
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long time no see....
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Yes but why is it unreasonable for the character of Spock to have developed into the one in TOS? Isn't the new one a sort of prequel? It's not a huge leap of faith to go with more emotional Spock. Just like it isn't a huge leap of faith to imagine AsimovLives up on animal cruelty charges when he finally gets caught strangling a goat while jamming his cock in it's ass.
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Why do you hate character devolopment in movies?
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like the Borg, and I think they are possibly the best trek villains ever other than Khan (First Contact was the only really good TNG imho..). And DS9 is ridiculously underrated too as far as im concerned. Not sure I understand how you consider it fanficion, but as I said fair enough, you are more of a TOS guy....
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but i am pretty sure that JJ and co are not going to progress the character further than this point.
You see with someone like Spock it is very easy to make his character look that it has depth.oh look he is half human,half alien,lets make him acting all the time angry and sad in order to strengthen his antithesis with his vulcan half,that way he will become sympathized to the audience and feel his personal drama.(same formula used by Stan Lee for his comic heroes,ah there is tony stark he is rich and genius,but lets have him with an injured heart,it will add to his character)
u see u just exploit a specific trait of the character,but that doesnt mean that his character becomes more complex by doing this.
it.
what i am trying to say is that ofc what JJ did with spock is not out of his character.BUT i strongly believe that he will keep exploiting Spocks particularity again and again and in more vivid ways in the forthcoming sequels,without trying to give us new ways of finding more about his character.
For instance i wont be surprised at all if the scene with Spock playing his 'guitar' at the camp fire with Kirk in ST5,will be transformed in a JJ movie,with Spock having beers and fist fights with his friend Kirk in a space strip club,because they think that this way Spocks dual personality is expressed more intensively,thus it looks more complex. -
trek actually has a lousy track record of coming up with new villains. For every Khan, Klingons, Q, or Borg, there is the Kazon (man did Voyager suck..),the Ferengi (awsome as comic relief but crappy villains), the Suliban, the Sona (God did Insurrection suck..) etc....
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treks aliens and robots are bad (though you are right that they are nt very alien, and most look like people with elephantitis...), but we have to remember that almost all trek has been created on tv (tv really being trek's medium imho..) and thus subject to the technical/budget limitations of tv....
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I get what you're saying, but you are trying to predict the future here. Say in the next one he doesn't sing Kum By Yah or whatever, instead makes an emotion driven mistake and as a result behaves in a more "vulcan" way, would this be such a bad thing?
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on tv here in Korea(I had never seen a single episode) even though trek is almost competely unknown here. They are showing it on the science channel, and they air 3 episodes back to back every Sunday in the morning, so im catching up on it and seeing what all the fuss was about. I can actually see why it was cancelled, for every good thing about it (Scott Bakula, the Southern engineer), there is a bad thing about it (that god-awful theme song, the hot vulcan chick with the big tits that cant really act, though she looks sexy trying..). And the episodes are really hit and miss, some are just boring/dull or are just re-treads of stuff we ve alreay seen in Trek, while others are actually quite effective ,and fun (I really liked the Borg one, the temporal war stuff is kinda cool..) Had potential, and some good ideas, but often the whole thing just does nt quite gell if Im making any sense.....
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Upon reflection, I think the expression I was going for was cosplay rather than fanfic. The different series progressively became more about unimaginative, interchangeable alien cultures, all wearing variations of the same pyjamas, whose only appreciable differences were different-shaped pieces of rubber glued to their faces/foreheads.
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I see your point about TV production values, but Star trek has arguably had much bigger budgets than all other SF shows, yet both Babylon 5 and Farscape had (sometimes marginally) better aliens.
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out the new Trek being the most successful over all (trekmovie.com did a very good breakdown of all the movies adjusted for inflation). But I do have to say that Asimovlives is right about one thing, factually speaking(dont hate me guys..lol), and that is the lack of success internationally. Trek really kind of bombed out in the non-English speaking world (most of the world) and it was very against the trend of having over 70% of its b.o coming from Domestic (where international now useally counts for more than half). Imagine if the international had been as big as the domestic, trek would then be a real blockbuster series. Living here in korea, it was obvious that no-one knows what the hell trek is andhave never heard of it (they called it star trek:the begining here)...and as with all of Asia, it did nt perform well here...(and Asia is such a massive market now, you actually really need a film to hit here to do well internationally..)
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I currently live in Sweden, a notoriously stuffy country when it comes to SF and fantasy movies, and it got rave reviews in just about every newpaper and magazine -- much better than all the previous installments.
The problem with AssLives is that he'll quote box office as a weapon against Trek, yet shriek that box office "MEANS NOTHING!!!" when it comes to Transformers 2. He can't have it both ways.
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Good bro, scroll up a bit i did reply to your earlier greeting and I am too lazy to retype it all LOL. Good to see you here bro.
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BABYLON 5 BETTER ALIENS? THEY ALL LOOKED LIKE THEY CAME FROM A FAGGOTY BOB MARLEY CONVENTION.
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actually, in the UK almost everyone I know loathes Star Trek and avoided it for a while. Some eventually went, but as a rule we didn't exactly flock to it. It got rave reviews here as well, having said that.
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hmmm. Not so sure about that. They really were of the Star Trek school of stick some rubber shit to the forehead and pretend they're totally different.
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...but the muppets, the MUPPETS!!
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that farted a lot and annoyed the shit out of me. He was indeed a complete muppet.
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IM GONNA GO FUCKIN SNIFF MY MA'S DIRTY FUCKIN KNICKERS BITCHES
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hasn't worn knickers since she was 9 and first went on the game. Round about the same time that she first imbibed Buckfast and Superkings. Haven't you got a pizza to be deep frying?
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FUCKING LOST JARVASS. MY MA WAS NEVER ON THE GAME . SHE'S A GREAT MOTHER UNLIKE YOUR DIRTY MA.
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Make it two films.
Part 1. Have them find Khan, but make it so he and Kirk are good friends but something goes wrong and they end up hating each other. At the climax Khan stabs Spock and escapes on a prototype federation ship And kidnaps Uhura. Kirk tries to follow but the enterprise is left dead in the water with a dying Spock on board.....
Part 2. Have them frantically search for a Vulcan blood match for Spock, whilst also pursuing Khan. have Khan causing trouble with Klingons and the enterprise having to avoid all out war.
Have there be some set up for a forth film, mentions of a new enemy rising, a cybernetic life form that is relentless.... -
Aye, she's a great mother. Fucking magic. As she swallows the local fucking orange cunt's length while 2 other schemie twats cram more fingers than in a kit kat into her arsehole, she takes the time out to pat you on the head. Pity she never taught you manners, or bothered to send you to school for an actual education- not that you can get one of these in fucking Easterhouse. Now fuck off and cash your giro. I hear that there's a sale on of Tennants Super.
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FUCKING LITTLE FUCKING CUNT FISTER!
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BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU FAGGOTS.
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When do you expect to move in, precisely? Because it's probably far nicer than your "house". It'll certainly smell better.PS- this isn't fucking Twitter. What makes you think we care?
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Oct 13, 2009 11:36:06 AM CDT
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!!
by bringingsexyback
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as much as that's a horrid expression
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SMELL MY ASSHOLE. PWN THAT BITCHES.
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Troll of the subspecies knuckledragus cretinous. All you've got is a barrage of unfunny profanities. You lack anything that could remotely be termed intelligence and have the charm and style of a fucking car crash. I'm mostly curious to find out what the fuck happened to your frontal lobe. It must be something fucking major to turn you into such a drooling simpleton. Did you get hit by a meteorite?
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Who has once again handed a troll his ass, gift-wrapped and spat upon, while said troll is dragged away, screaming inaudible spittle-flecked invectives, having been driven from his tiny little mind by the power of Jarv's colloquialisms.
Respect, Jarv. I think TITBAG back there just exploded with rage. That makes my day... :) -
Who's the best TBer - Jarv or TAINTLICK? There's only one way to find out!
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGHHHTTT!!! -
GO SUCK JARVASS'S FUCKING STINK COCK.
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Jarv is the one left standing. TAINT is currently swimming in his own shit.
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What did you do to this guy? He's lost the ability to scream obscenities in correct English grammar now!
TAINT, you sad, strange little person - if you can't stand the heat, get the FUCK out of my FUCKING KITCHEN YOU CUNT!, as Gordon Ramsay has been heard to say.
Sage advice. Take it, bitch. -
I'm still amazed you've discovered a form of technology that can translate gibberish scrawled in crayon on loo roll into a post. How the fuck precisely did you manage to fall off the evolutionary ladder? I know that parts of Glasgow have the worst diet in Europe and a lower life expectancy than parts of Siberia, but I didn't know that this toxic lifestyle altered the offspring's DNA, thus reducing them to the equivalent level of plankton. Mind you, seeing as there is usually about 15 of them crammed around an electric heater (if mother of the year hasn't squandered the electricity money on cheap cider and mobile phone credit, that is), so the law of averages says that one of them must not be a complete cunt, but I'm yet to see it.
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I've done it to Goatfuckerlives on more than one occasion and his English has collapsed to the point that he's either posting in hieroglyphics or his native tongue. Taintlick has no such excuse, seeing as his native tongue is that of the superior (in every way) part of the island.
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I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS PUSSY FAGGOT FILLED SITES AND ITS FAGGOT POSTERS LIKE YOU. I'D KICK ALL YOUR FUCKING ASSES BITCH BOYS.
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Must've missed that particular TB.
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Here we are having a civilised discussion about movies and our love for them, and here you come bringing the deleted expletives. Why the hostility, Taint? Where is the LOVE, huh??
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In which case, dear boy, let me ask you two questions: 1)Do you know that threatening physical violence on here is the most pathetic thing you can do? 2)If you don't give a fuck then what are you doing here?
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is the artist formerly known as Scotsman75 and TITBAG. He's about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike and mistakes using All Caps for making a coherent point. He is, in fact, a complete and utter cunt.
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I too am hoping for a more thoughtful, more philosophical feel to the next movie. Something more akin to the brains-over-brawn that the NEXT GENERATION did superbly.
What we'll get, however, is a Klingon war movie with more shoot-em-up action sequences as more of those "oh-so-not-very-funny" fucking lens flares, which don't add anything stylish except to say the SFX guys DON'T UNDERSTAND LIGHTING AT ALL. If it's so fucking bright in space, how does everyone see what they're shooting at?
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Tell him tae get tae fuck, he's dae'n mah heid in. He's neer greeting right noo.
We used to have a better class of troll here a couple years back. WTF happened?? -
Fuck him. On that note, I'm outta here.
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Have a good one, Jarv.
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The problem with Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek is that it saboutages itself about Spock. Again, allow me to remind you that inthe movie, spock passes his stupies in the Valcan Academy with TOP MARKS. He gets such a high record, that he gets automatic admission to the high concil. Now, are you telling me that if spock had trouble with his human side and had trouble repessing and supressing his emotions, he would get such high notes and offered right from the bat the most coverted seat in all of vulcan? You think those vulcan teachers wouldn't had detected spock's propensity for emotions and a difficulty in handling them while he studied there since his very early childhood? You think that would go undetected for so long? i'm sorr,y but i'm going to call bulslhit on that.The point is simple, my friend: the stupid asses to whore the movie and directed it NEVER ONCE THOUGH of the consequences and the logical follow ups to the stuff they were putting in the story. Basically, the mvoie MAKES NO GOD DAMN SENSE. In anything! and not usut the plot, but how it handles the characters. The movie doesn't know it's own characters. Or should i say, the filmmakers who made it.The movie is filled to the grills with nonsense and idioticies like this. And again i say, it makes absolutly no sense that it gets so defended with such dedication and ferocity as it does. It's strange. It's damn peculiar. It's weird. Very weird. Whenever i see people defending Skank Trek, i'm reminded of the pod people from Invasion Of The Boddy snatchers, people blindly and mindlessly following something and repeating pre-made phrases with little meanint to them. It is indeed an invasion of the pod people. Hell, this blind acceptance that Skank Trek has could had been the basis for a TOS episode.
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And don't forget to go fuck yourself.
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"but it ain't TREK. Not properly"Exactly. It's not Star Trek, it's Skank Trek.
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I think it's a failure of the screenwriters if to give deepness to Spock they resort to have him having a show of feelings. A good writer would pick up on his logial side, which makes him unique, and would go to town with it, would explore it to make interesting drama and an interesting character.OPushing spock's feelings and trying to bring them to the surface is the easy way out. It's lazy. It's shallow. And it betrays the character.and considering the movie that we ended up with, it's easy to understand why the writers always came up with the easy way out. They can't do anything else. spock as a character in skank Trek is a bad facsimile of the character as it once was, and the excuse of "it's his youngest years" doesn't cut it. It's simply lazy writing. And cheatting.If the TV shows and the movies are anything to go by, Spock's character development goes the other way around: the starts purely logical, and gradually he gains more and more human characteristics. This means that as a young vulcan, Spock would be nothing but pure logic, a perfect Vulcan, regardless of his half-human ancestry. Spock became more human with time, and not the other way around. Skank Trek doesn'ty understand that, and plays it all vice-versa. And that makes absolutly no sense, regarding the character. Again, the people who made Skank Trek understood nothing about Spock, Star Trek and the universe they were handled. And it shows. Spock is just an example of the overall problem.
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It's all in a prallel universe. This means that somewhere else on this infinitely divergent multiverse, the Original series is still going, and better than ever.
Problem is, we are now cut off from that universe permanently, and all we will have is this Diet TREK that these shitty scriptwriters will give us.
I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong - as a straightforward STAR WARS rip-off, it moves pacily enough, and has more than enough bang for your buck - but it is not, and never will be, TREK as Roddenberry intended. It is TREK aimed at young, loaded, fucking stupid kids, who wouldn't understand the finer nuances of ST:TOS or ST:TNG if it smacked them in the face with a Tribble. It's STAR TREK: THE FAST AND THE FUCKABLE. There's fuck-all substance to it any more. Sad, but true. -
Also, notice that in the Tv shows and in the movies, Spock becames more human as time goes by. This means he started out as a pure Vulcan, a total logical being, and with time and contact with the humans, he gains more human characteristics. So, Spock's human side came out with his contact and dealins with the humans. While he grew up as a vulcan, he was fuilly vulcan, regardles sof his half-human side. Spock was pure logic, and became more human with time.Skank Trek plays it backwards. and it makes no sense it does so. Making spock emotional and hard to contain his emotions as a young man is a complete misunderstanding of the character. Fresh out of Vulcan Acedemy, Spock would be a machine of pure logic. The filmmkaers of Skank Trek don't udnerstand that, and they make him human, too human, from the get go. How can there be any grow of spock's character if he is so human-like form the start? that was the idea behind TOS and the movies, that Spock would slowly grow more human, and get to accept his human side with time and as he matured withy experience. In Skank Trek, where's the grow? He's emotional from the begining!Truly, the way Skank Trek handles spock makes absoluitly no sense. Pardon the pun, but how they handle Spock is highly illogical.And Spock is just an example of the overall problems that plagues Skank Trek. It's just a very badly thoughout movie.
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Truly, the way Skank Trek handles spock makes absoluitly no sense. Pardon the pun, but how they handle Spock is highly illogical.And Spock is just an example of the overall problems that plagues Skank Trek. It's just a very badly thoughout movie.
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I always imagined Spock's younger self as being more emotional than older (and wiser) Spock - mich like we humans, who are headstrong when young, but wiser and more cautious when older - and there's still time for this to happen. Let's hope The Fabulous Shitwriting Brothers actually understand that Spock needs to overcome emotion with logic more and more as the sequels progress. Going the OTHER way with Spock would only further highlight how much they DON'T understand TREK.
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But what if the human side came out when he hit Vulcan puberty? What if the Vulcan side of him comes out more the older he gets?
I take your point that it worked the opposite way round in ST:TOS, but this is JJ TREK: THE FAST AND THE FUCKABLE. It's NOT going to be like TOS, as much as that's going to harm the franchise in the long run. -
but i fear for the worst about the future.You see i defended the first TF movie,because i understood the problems of such project.its a bit difficult to take a toy series and turn them into a commercial movie.I could see why SS choose Bay for this kind of feat.But i also hoped,that if the first movie would be succesful,the naive american audience would embrace those new figures of entertainment,then the creators would have the freedom to make the sequel to be more faithful and respectful to the characters with whom we have grown up with.
But TF2 came out and we all discovered what of piece of crap that is,and that the creators dont give a fuck not to us the fans,but to the characters of a 30years old fictional universe.
and we all know who are the screenwriters of TF1,TF2,ST1 and what it seems ST2.i strongly believe that ST2 will be the same case as TF2 was,i hope i am wrong with this,i really hope,but u know what americans say: if it works,dont fix it. -
gentlemen.but like Lost Jarv i have to leave this thread too for newer ones,so until we meet again in the next star trek news topic: live long and prosper.
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Actually, you touched upon what might be the most important point about the movie: the paralel universe thing that the filmmakers used to justify their own interpretation.The thing is, from the movie itself, you can tell the filmmakers don't know exactly what their own paralel universe is. What paralel universe is this that Skank Trek is set on? Is it a branching from the TOS universe? Or is it a "Mirror Mirror/Evil Federation" type paralel universe?If we go by Star Trek as it has been until now, paralel universes are accepted to exist in St univers,e to the point that Kirk, Uhura, Bones and Scotty go ther,eand meet a universe where the federation is fascist and their inhabitants are all evil versions of themselves. They get to travel to that paralel universe not because they fell into a black hole, but because of a tansporter malfunctioning that phased them out from one universe to another, or some gobbledygook like that. Basically, it means that paralel universes in Star Trek have INDEPENDENT existences seperated form one another, and only a very freaky accidence that make one experience the other.And to my knowledge, never once in Star Trek there occurs the creation of a paralel universe due to time travel. One of the biggest dramas explored in the time travel episodes of Star Trek is that if peope, go to the past and change things, the future just disapears never to return. Which always gave urgency for the Enterprise crew to set things right.The way i see it, Skank Trek violates what's established in Star Trek about parale universes and the consequences of time travel.Now, with Nero's time travel, either Nero's action caused the complete obliteration of the future,and that means there's no TOS Star Trek going around soemwhere else, and Skank Trek is now THE REAL STAR TREK and compeltly replaced TOS. Or if Skank Trek is indeed a paralel universe to TOS, then it exists through means that violates TOS's extablished rules about such matters. which means, Jar Jar Abrams and his writing buddies just pulled stuff out of their ass and invented shit of their own, with no regard for what already is established. But that is not even the worst thing about it.The worst is that, regardless of it being a eraser/rewind of TOS or a paralel new Trek universe, Skank Trek cames from TOS. A TOS where there was no commercialism, no capitalism, so such things as brands like Nokia and Budweiser. And where the Federation is a military organization with strict navy-like proceduals. Where the sky seen from space is not yellow. Where engine rooms doens't look like brewries and early 20th century steamer machine room, and where one can advance his career through neopotism and blind luck.The thing is, Skank Trek doesn't follow up very well from TOS, neither in the more mubndane detaisl, nor in the more deep important ones. I suspect in truth they wanted to make something like Christopher Nolan did with Batman, a complete real reboot, but they were scared. They got cold feet. ;any of the inconsistencies in Skank Trek can be understood if the movie was supposed to be a complete reboot and at the last minute was changed into a "paralel universe" story.
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As i have seen form Star Trek,it seems that thign go the other way aroudn for Vulcans: for them it's easier to be purely logical as they are young, and as they get older, it's gets easier for them to accept their emotional sides and they get confortable handling them. Vulcan maturity, so it seems, is that they can relax in their handling and repression of emotions, to the poitnthey accept them as their own nature. An imature vulcan would find more personal security in beign pure logic. And if this sounds like a reverse of how things happen to us, well, vulcans are aliens, that's the point. Young vulcans are purely logical, older mature vuilcans accept their "flaws", aka, their emotions as part of their being, they handle them so well, they can affort to recognitze them as part of themselves.Skank Trek does the oposite, and as i see it, that's where it's fault lies,a nd where it resides their complete misunderstanding of the vulcan culture and Spock as a character.And really, spock starting out as a purely logical character nad slowly growing more confortable with his human side and allowing hismelf a more open-minded and acceptanc eof his emotions and his human nature, that makes for a more compelling character and character arc then the emo Spock from get go that we get in Skank Trek. Skank Trek allows for no character arc in Spock, he started emotional, he is emotional, and he will be emotional in the future. It's kinda a bore, really.
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"Jar Jar Abrams and his writing buddies just pulled stuff out of their ass and invented shit of their own, with no regard for what already is established" is EXACTLY what they did. They did it because if they did a Michael Bay on it and made it appeal right down to the Lowest/Dumbest Common Denominator, it would sell there best becasue the young retards today who couldn't even spel "black hole" let alone tell you what one did DON'T CARE about things making sense in their movies. they like everything to be flashy-flashy shiny-shiny because they have the attention spans of an eight year old, and don't want science explained to them in an imaginative and optimistic way (as Gene Roddenberry's ST:TOS did), they want TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION and random scenes of comedy, drama and TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION that last roughly twelve seconds each, rammed against each other like the most mismatched plot since TRANSFORMERS 2.
THAT is how you get new TREK - a movie that's fun to watch but doesn't even glance at your brain, let alone engage it, which is EXACTLY what Roddenberry did NOT intend for TREK, but Paramount obviously does. They went for the money, JJ went for the thick dumb bastards, and you and I went for a stiff drink afterwards, Asi, because whatever the fuck that movie was, it was NOT Roddenberry's TREK. It was STAR TREK - THE FAST AND THE FUCKABLE, and there's no stopping it now.
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You make a good point, but I think it is not something that can be solidified as fact, on either your part or my part, we are just making conjecture from our own points of view.Regardless, please do not lump me in with what you call "blind defenders" of this movie, for that is not what I am at all, just because I liked it does not mean I blindly defend it.
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And if in Skank Trek, the way vulcans mature is pretty alike how humans mature, as in, it goes agaisnt the way TOS has it on vulcans, then i have to say it again proves my suspicion that Skank Trek originated as a pure reboot, but at the last moment was turned around to became a paralel universe thing. You can ask, why would they do tha,t why would they risk screwing up with the story's own continuity? The answer, i believe, is quite simple: to shove Leonard Nimoy to the movie. and that created a huge can of worms which they were never able to resolve, and all just so they could had an easy audience bait in the movie.
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Oct 13, 2009 2:03:28 PM CDT
Basically, Nimoy was put in the movie for the sake of the traile
by asimovlives
And they though of a story to fit him in in the movie afterwards, and as a secondary consideration.
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ON the one hand it's the most fun space flick this year, and had some surprisingly resonant emotional developments. GREAT first 10 mins 0- the wife-to-be and I were both sniffling into our jackets. Action was awesome; so were the effects. Some funny stuff, some heroic stuff. So far, so WHAT-THE-FUCKING-STAR-WARS-PREQUELS-SHOULD-HAVE-BEEN-SO-FUCK-YOU-DARTH-GIZZARD.
But on the other hand..
It's not TREK. It's so NOT fucking TREK. It is so far from TREK, if it weren't for all the same references, names, design, ships etc, you'd have no clue what this movie was meant to be. It's as if Paramount and JJ got together and said, "Thank fuck that Roddenberry is dead. Now he's out the way, let's drop all this intelligence bullshit and just BLOW SHIT UP! It worked for Michael Bay! Hell, I want TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE, and you, JJ, Mister Fucking Television, make me a movie that out-STAR WARS's STAR WARS! NO FUCKING INTELLIGENCE!"
"Hey!" shouts one of JJ's feral scriptwriters from the background. "Do you want the black hole to be a planet eater, a time portal, something a ship can escape from by remotely detonating an ejected warp core, or a gateway to Hell for Sam Neill to return through?"
"All of the above," says JJ, "because who gives a fuck what a black hole does? Just MAKE IT LOOK FUCKING COOL! Oh, and nix that Same Neill shit; no fucking gravitas in this movie, dammit! And NO FUCKING GATEWAY TO HELL!"
The feral writer grunts, eats another bar of sugared hundred dollar bills, and gets to writing STAR TREK - THE FAST AND THE FUCKABLE.
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in Trek and Wars things = cunts.
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You have more tolerance for Skank Trek that i have, my friend. I detest the movie even form the start. I saw cliché heroics out of the Book Of Clichés. The inclusion of the Baby Kirk and his hot mother in the same ship that Daddy Kirk was stationed, that tearful scene of Daddy kirk listening to Baby Kirk crying, it was such shameless shameful cheap emotional manipulation it made me want to vomit my guts out. and then wwe got the introduction to the most lame villain in recent history, and his Evil Spiky Death Star Big Ship. Because, like, spikes are always evil. You are evil, you have spikes. In fact, Nero's ship is uncannly shaped alike the asteroid in Armageddon. Which Jar Jar Abrams co-wrote.And don't evne get me started in the young Kirk and young Spock scenes. While spock getting bullied by other pure blood vulcans is soemthing out of Star Trek (the very first episode we meet spock's dad and mother do tell us that Spock was shun down by the pure blooded vulcans), the movie turns it into a sequence of any Bullied At School TV show and movie, complete with fist-fighting and ass kicking. But it wasn't the worst.The worst was the adventures of Lil Kirk and his juveline deliquente years of lost youth. As in, a 13 years old steals and antique car from his adoptive dad (because EVERY TEEN WHO HAD HIS DAD KILLED WHRN YHEY WERE TODDLERS AUTOMATICALLY HATES THEIR ADOPTIVE DAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE ONLY DAD THEY EVER KNEW - I want to thrown an anvil to the head to the fucking idiot who started this retarded cliché). The idioticy of that scene set the tone for the remain of the movie. If i had to compare that scene to today, it would be like if i had stollen an amish's mule-drawn cart and i went to the highway speeding at the astounishing speed of 5 miles an hour... while a polka band played in the back. And then a cop with a state of the art modern motorbyke shows up and he, ON PORPOSE, decides to keep up the same speed as the cart, and only arrives after i nearly get killed.I have to say, the mixture of a 300 years future world, with a still powered gasoline vintage 1960s car and music by Beasty Boys from an contemporenean aparatus made by a brand that should even not exist in a capitalism-less world, it's enough to realise the people who were making this movie were not giving a shit about. All they cared was to make a collection of "cool" moments without any consideration for logic and consitency.Ther movie never recuperated from the Lil Kirk The Juveline Delinguent. And it only got worst. until the complete brain death sequence that was the whole business at Hoth.As hard as i try, i can't think of a more dumb and carelessly made movie as Skank Trek outside of Michael Bay movie. Even the exacrable Terminator 4 is not this bad, and i hated the shit out of that movie.
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God is in the details. Stanley Kubrick made great mvoies because he cared about details. The original Star Wars were good because Lucas cared a lot about details. All great and good movies are great becasue people cared a lot about details. The details makes the diference.Any idiotic untalentled fool can make a movie with broad strokes. Only talented filmamkers will pay attention to details. Skank Trek was made with no care and consideration for details, and that's why AS A MOVIE it fails so miserably. It's commerial sucess is no indication of it's quality as a movie. And it's lack of atention to details is a clue of the untalented hacks that made it.
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You can have two movies made of the same story, and one will fail because who made it didn't give a fuck about details, while the other turns out to be a good movie because who made it cared enough to check out the details and make the best of it, because he cared.For filmmakers who care, details matters. For filmmakers who don't give a shit, details are brushed away. Same goes with the movie geeks.
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Ironically, i'm eager for a Skank Trek 2 movie made by the same team who made Skank Trek 1. And if Skank Trek 2 is better and not as bad as the preceading movie, i'll, be very disapointed. People have accused me of not hyaving fun at the dumb fun movies, like Skank Tre. Well, i want my dumb fun. and i nominate Skank Trek 2 as my dumb fun movie. I want it as good, or should i say, as bad as the first. I want my dumb fun, dammit! Don't disapoint me, Bob Porci and Jar Jar Abrams! Who knows, with some luck, maybe Skank Trek 2 goes the same way as Transformers 2 and gets even worst then the first movie. Whcih means, even bigger dumb, which means, more of the dumb fun. It's not an impossible scenario, since it's the same writing team. There's hope.
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Will be so fucking awful they will be electroshocking people before they enter the theater, just to ensure your IQ has dropped to the requisite depth needed to fully appreciate the avalanche of ocular shit that Bayhem and his fuckwads will be throwing at ya!
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Listen my friend, as much as you hate this movie, why on God's green earth would you even bother to pay money to see the second one? I see absolutely no logic in you paying to see a sequel to a movie you utterly despise. The argument "just to see if it is as bad as the first one" doesn't justify it either, but obviously this first movie has created such an emotional reaction in you that you feel compelled to see the second even though you are obviously already convinced it is going to be as bad as you think the first one was. Still, you will be contributing money to JJ Abrams whom you totally despise. That my friend, makes no sense whatsoever. Unless of course you plan to see a downloaded copy of the second one when it comes out.
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It was very true to the comics and the TV show. All you prudes that hate the sex jokes are the same assholes that giggle at South Park, I bet.
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Dude, Skank Trek 1 caugth me unawares. I suspected the movie was going to be subpar to the vision of Rodenberry and TOS, i just couldn't even dream the movie was going to be Michael Bay bad.Now i know what i'm going to get. And now i'm going to get my dumb fun. People accuse me of not gettign fun at the dumb fun,. well, i'm going to prove them wrong, i'm going to have LOTS OF FUN with the dumb fun that's going to be Skank trek 2. I'll lauigh at it's stupidity, i'll laugh at it's ineptitude, i'll laugh at it's narrative nonsequiturs, i'll laugh at it's clueless characterization, i'll laugh at it's terrible dialogues, i'll laugh at it's nonsensical plot, i'll laugh at it's clueless set design and cinematography flashy trick, i'll laugh at it's inane score, i'll laugh at the movie's faults and idioticies... i'll have a barrel of laughs. I'll have my dumb fun.The first movie shocked me, but the second will be my laugh riot.
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Two bad movies do not a good one make. However bad Transformers 3 will be, and it will be as you said it will, there's no way that will make Skank Trek any better. Skank Trek is bad on itself. nothing wuill change it's shittiness, not even Bay's worst.As for Transformers 3, maybe for the very first time ever, it will be needed NEGATIVE IQ for people to be able to enjoy it.
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Compare a bathtub filled with shit with a swimming pool filled with shit. The bathtub is Skank Trek, and the pool is Transformers 3. Both are full of shit, the only difference is quantity, not quality.
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And bring it now!
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It's no use pretening you are thinking about a story, Jar Jar and Porci. You don't think about stories, you just collect unconnected moments and put it one after the other. Stop pretending you are thinking acout character,s just copy and paste from Felicity and be done with it. Stop screwing around, just make the fucking movie already. Start shooting.Make stuff on the spot, as you did with Skank Trek 1. Don't worry about story, you didn't woried about story for the first and it worked a charm. Nobody cared. They even liked it like that. So stop goffing around and wasting people's motherfucking time. Just get on with it. don't worry if the new Skank Trek is not about something, the first wasn't about anything and people loved and eat it all up. don't change the recepy, it's working. It's a winning formula, don't screw up. Remmber when they wanted to change the taste of coca-cola and how people were upset? If it aint broken, don't fix it. so, kepp it dumb, keep it simplsitic, and for the love of god, don't evne go close to TOS. That stuff is old, it's not Nu. People voted with the wallets, and they want your Nu style Trek. Keep it that way, keep it dumb, keep it stupid, keep it incompetent, and most important of all, make it like Stars Wars and not like Star Trek.And don't worry, there's 5 more Star Wars movies for you to rip off, so you are in business for 5 more movies. Worry later.So, stop fucking around and make the damn movie already, no script and all. It will work like the first did. Will be in the win.Thanks for your time,Yours truly, AsimovLives.
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this has been going on for. 5 months. It's not normal.
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so it's fitting.
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The amount of sycophancy AICN showers on Jar Jar Abrams. That is definatly not normal.
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And praises on how wonderful it smells. That's not normal.
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praises it higher then The Dark Knight while conviniently over-looks the flaws. That's not normal.
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that Jar Jar Abrams made, i suspect AICN would had trashed it to kingdom come, and would had the majority of the geeks here who support it. Nothing convinces me otherwise. Thing is, they would be right in trashing the shit out of Ratner and the movie. But because it's Jar Jar Abrams, it magically becames a good movie to be enjoyed and bestowed great praise and admiration. What bullshit!
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had been as bad as you say, I would have noticed.
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Above it should had been read "and so would had the majority of the geeks here who support it".
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Then you didn't noticed it. You did not pay attention.
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as we know it, AICN and the geeks who hated it would now be praising it.If Brett Ratner or McG had made Skank trek exactly as it is as we know it, AICN and the geeks who love it would be pissing and shitting on it, and trashing it until the end of days.What is happening with AICN and the geeks who support Jar Jar Abrams's Skank Trek is a classical case of a following. The following of Jar Jar Abrams. Due to Lost, and to a smaller extent, Alias. It's a classic text book case of a following.
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Because I have quite honestly had enough of the same shit being said over and over and over again, it is pointless and stupid, and I don't think I will even be looking at anymore TB's that have anything to do with Star Trek for quite some time, if i want to be bored out of my mind I can call my ex-wife for that I dont need to waste my bandwith to do that. See you all in another, hopefully more productive TB
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And a little sad, too.
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to do with Lost. Far less then what he and his publicity machine wants to make us to believe. Jar Jar Abrams IS NOT the creator of Lost. Even his co-creator credits is very generous. The man rides on the efforts and the laurels of others. Cloverfield is another example of that, where other people bust their asses to make it, and it's Jar Jar Abrams who rips the rewards and the fame.
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Yes, I did pay attention. How dare you suggest otherwise.
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Oct 13, 2009 4:20:52 PM CDT
JJ directed the pilot, and came up with the main story
by lockesbrokenleg
points of Lost according to the DVDs. The other execs on Lost flesh out the story, but it really goes by an outline.
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Yes, the same thing is said again and again... i specially like the unoriginal repetitive litany from the supporters. And even with the eye openers that me and other detractyros have posted about Skank Trek's basic problems and mistakes, still people cling to their illusions of a good movie that's not there. Skank Trek supporters are like creationists, completly.So i understand why you are tired. From the Skank Trek supporters. And from the detractors. You are right, basically it's the same thing being said repeated, the dogmatic litany of the supporters and the logical argumentation of the detractors.Can i offer you a challenge? Can you bring something new to the subject?
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Jar Jar Abrams didn't come up with the story for Lost. Jeffrey Lieber did. He was the first person to be hired by ABC, at the time when the studio was inspired by Zemeckis' Cast Away and wanted a TV show based on a smimiliar scenario. Jar Jar Abrams was bought up much later, he was a later addition to the show. And so fucking what if he directed the pilot episode. Do you know, right from the tip of your tongue, who directed the pilots of Rome, Carnival, House and Dexter? Why do you know that Jar Jar Abrams directed the pilot of Lost? Because Jar Jar and his publicity machine never tires to shout about it to the four winds. It's a shameful case of shameless self-promotion. Jar Jar Abrams is not known because he delivers, but because he never stops shouting his name for everybody to hear. Far more talented people them him are much lesser known because they are not the media bitch that Jar Jar is. Jar Jar Abrams is like Paris Hilton, more show off then show. Famous because he made himself famous.
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I dare you.
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Are you trying to goad me?I have watched this 'debate' from the sidelines - for 5 months, a debate that has swam in ever decreasing little circles and disappeared where a squirrel stores his nuts.There's nothing left to debate. Move on, go toward the light...
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THE FAGGOT HAS CREATED A NEW NICK AND SEVERAL OF THE POSTINGS ABOVE ARE NOT MINE.
YOU CAN TELL HIS 'TAINTLICK' POSTS BECAUSE THEY UTTERLY LACK THE FINESSE, INTELLIGENCE, AND BREVITY OF WIT THAT IS ME. -
Rome - boring. Carnival - looked like shit. Dexter - overrated ass.
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IT'S CONFIRMED. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING TASTE.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
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FIRST, STOP POSTING USING MY SCREEN NAME. IT'S MUCH TOO BIG FOR YOU.
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I have proof.
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Oct 13, 2009 5:35:20 PM CDT
Rome had lost or breastises. Breastises are never boring unlesss
by dirk_the_amoeba
They are in a boring show like Carnival. What a waste of tits.
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Especially when you are an amoeba.
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HOW DID YOU STEAL MY SCREEN NAME?
HAVE YOU FOUND THAT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN USING IT THAT YOU FINALLY ARE GETTING SOME CHICKS? -
"LACK THE FINESSE, INTELLIGENCE, AND BREVITY OF WIT THAT IS ME." You are fucking kidding me right? Finesse? FAIL..Intelligence? None...Brevity of wit? Wow you really are a deluded idiot if you think any of those words apply to your stupid, childish, immature, nonsensical rantings. That tiny brain of yours strains to type the stupid bullshit you type already. Useless jerk off.
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But the tractor beam just keeps pulling me in. Asimov...no i cannot introduce anything new into this debate, because what is left to be said really? Even if I could why would I want to, it is a dead issue as far as I am concerned, the movie came out 5 months ago and I am, quite frankly, bored to death talking about it because nothing new has been said for about 4 months.
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UNCLE TITBAG SAYS HELLO AND THAT SHE'LL NEVER TELL A SOUL ABOUT THAT DUMPSTER DATE THE TWO OF YOU HAD.
*WINK*
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Oct 13, 2009 6:32:51 PM CDT
If Abrams brings back Graves, then he's gotta explain Voight...
by mrmysteryguest
...and that's a Mission Impossible right there!
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Keep talking you stupid ass pirate, you just keep showing everyone what a stupid retarded fuckwad you are. If an intelligent thought came out of your head, it just might explode, but we could not be that lucky.
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...I hope you have a rich and full-filling life. Best of luck on all your future endeavors.
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eat a dick. King Cameron's coming back to slap the faces of all these boring 200 million dollar directors.
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Who's trolling Taint?!
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Oct 13, 2009 9:29:59 PM CDT
SPUD - IN THE FEUD BETWEEN ENGLANDERS LOST JARV AND TAINTLICK
by bringingsexyback
I shall remain Switzerland. Though Jarv has my respect as a longtime, proficient and compelling TBer, I find Taint to possess a certain finesse, intelligence and brevity of wit that is very amusing.
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YOU'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR AWHILE AND UNCLE TITBAG HAS GOT HER CURIOUSITY PEAKED.
I'VE CHECKED IT OUT A BIT AND THINK THAT IT MUST BE SOMEONE ON AICN WITH ADMIN PRIV. -
Note the I is really a small L.
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MI3 died on Cruise's idiotic behavior...MI4 could be his salvation. But only if theres an Ethan Hunt dance montage over the ending credits.
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Some dumb bitch is trolling with your nick by using a lower case "L" instead of the capital "i".
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Get a grip, fuckhead. Reading your garbage is like watching someone with concussion try to tie their shoelaces. You are not remotely on my level, in fact you are little more than a sad virginal troll and you need to fuck off back under your bridge.
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lowest form of troll. Kind of a troll parasite. Satirising a username is fine (AsimovsDead) but just taking it outright is pathetic.
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YOU'RE A LUCKY MOTHERFUCKER JUST TO BE IN THE SAME TALKBACK AS ME.
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Is this effing Iraq?
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How's the thrash country band (in the UK!!!) going. Are you still crying that you were turned down for the X-factor. And I know you were turned down because there hasn't been any stories in the papers about Banjo Playing inbreds electrocuting themselves on television. Fucking yokel.
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YOU'RE A NAME STEALING WHORE BAG BITCH BOY. SNIFF MY PECKER.
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Listen, oh hard of thinking one, I did not steal your name. In fact, I didn't even notice the substitution. I slapped faint taintlick in just the same manner that I would have slapped real taintlick. I do feel sorry for you though, it's shit when someone does that, especially for a knuckle dragging fuckhead such as yourself who has myriad problems icluding webbed fingers, a hydrocephalic forehead you could land a plane on, grotesque obesity and a strange, lumpy complexion akin to mouldy porridge. You're the booby prize winner in a freak show beauty contest.
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from when uncle Titbag visited your bedroom late at night- having abused and defiled you he left with these words seared into your cortex: "never tell anyone about this Taintlick, no-one will believe you". The result of this repression is the mince we can see above.
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from when uncle Titbag visited your bedroom late at night- having abused and defiled you he left with these words seared into your cortex: "never tell anyone about this Taintlick, no-one will believe you". You believed him and never spoke a word- even if riding a bike was an impossibility for you. The result of this repression is the mince we can see above.
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STOLE MY NAME IS GONNA FEEL MY COCK TILL IT HURTS. BALLS DEEP LITTLE BITCH.
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that's just a shit performance. In a few posts you're going to be bleating like one of AsimovLives cornholed goats. Whatever, tosser, feel free to believe that I bothered to steal your name. As if I'd do that, you stupid cunt.
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this is fucking sad.
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both of them
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"Listen my friend, as much as you hate this movie, why on God's green earth would you even bother to pay money to see the second one? " Because he's a hypocrite cunt.
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Rome and Carnivale are simply two of the best shows ever made in the whole history of american TV. This is not an over-statment, it's how it is. Dexter is quite frankly, one of the best and most inovative shows that is being aired now, and despiste it's some minor problems, it's one of the best TV show made today. You have no ideas what you are missing, specially concerning Rome and Carnivàle.
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"Even if I could why would I want to?"Becasue then there would be new stuff to be said and there would be more fun. And really, why would you deprive us (and specially me) of the pleasure of your company? That would be unkind and cruel!
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TaintLick is not stupid, he's just rude and completly unconsiderate to other's feelings. Kinda like Dr. Gregory House. I guess many people can't see past the rudeness because they get too distracted by it, and frankly, because it's too convenient, that way they don't have to trouble themselves with discussing their point of view and defend their ideas, they just cling on the rudeness and pretend there's nothging else there. It's too easy, too convenient, and too shallow.To tell you the truth, I can't help but feel a certain envy of that attitude from TaintLick. It must be extremely liberating.
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Oct 14, 2009 7:23:51 AM CDT
Rome and Carnivale are simply two of the best shows ever made in
by lost jarv
Don't be stupid. While I liked Rome, that's bullshit hyperbole.
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WTF? Are you on crack? Or are you so desperate for friends that you'd sing the praises of one of the most ridiculous trolls on here. He's even more of a dickhead than you are. Which is saying something.
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Like, say, telling someone in one line to go fuck themselves when they've nailed you (again) for being a revolting, pretentious little hypocrite.
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GOD MAN, NO ONE HAS EVER REALLY PUT IT LIKE THAT BEFORE. GREGORY HOUSE YOU SAY? WOW, THAT'S PRETTY SWEET OF YOU FRIEND, BECAUSE I'M A REAL BIG FAN OF BOTH THE ACTOR AND THE SHOW. I GUESS DEEP DOWN I'M REALLY JUST INSECURE AND A LITTLE LONELY, AND WELL I SUPPOSE THAT SOMETIMES MAKES ME LASH OUT AT THE PEOPLE AROUND ME. ESPECIALLY YOU GUYS, ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE WHO I'VE REALLY GOTTEN TO KNOW OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. BOTH AS TITBAG AND TAINTLICK. IN FACT I'VE KINDA BEEN THINKING LATELY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW OTHERS SEE ME. I GUESS I NEVER REALLY NOTICED IT BEFORE, BUT THE NAMES I CHOOSE - LIKE TAINT AND TIT - WELL, THEY'RE REALLY PRETTY OFFENSIVE AREN'T THEY? NOT TO MENTION DEGRADING TO WOMEN. WHAT'S THAT OLD SAYING, "EVERY WOMEN IS SOMEBODY'S MOTHER, OR DAUGHTER..." AND IT'S BECOME CLEAR TO ME THAT I'M REALLY GIVING OFF A KIND OF A NEGATIVE, HOSTILE VIBE WHEN I REALLY DON'T MEAN TO. I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES, BUT MY CHILDHOOD WAS KINDA ROUGH, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED (ESPECIALLY INVOLVING ONE OF MY UNCLES AND A LABRADOR RETRIEVER) THAT HAVE LEFT ME FEELING, I DUNNO, A LITTLE EMPTY INSIDE. AM I MAKING SENSE? I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, WELL, I REALLY WANNA PUT ASIDE ALL THE CRAP AND THE HURT, AND THE ANGER I'VE STIRRED UP DURING MY TENURE ON THIS WACKY OLD BOARD WE CALL AIN'T IT. I GUESS IT TOOK ONE PERSON REACHING OUT THE SWEET HAND OF FRIENDSHIP TO HELP ME SEE THAT THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE PATH I'M ON CAN ONLY LEAD TO THE DARKSIDE (HEY STAR WARS JOKES - I'M REALLY BECOMING ONE OF YOU GUYS NOW!). SO FELLAS WHAT DO YA SAY? WILL YOU ACCEPT A HUMBLE APOLOGY FROM A MISGUIDED SILLY BILLY WHO'S WOKEN UP TO THE JOYS AND FRIENDSHIP A GEEK WORLD CAN OFFER? THIS ISN'T EASY FOR ME BUT HERE GOES... I'M... I'm REallY. reaLly sOrry, anD I'd likE to start over wiTh you guys... please? ;) Thanks for taking the time to listen fellas, I appreciate it.
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That's really funny. Bet you feel like a cunt now, don't you goatfucker? Or you would if you had a sense of self-awareness.
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I seem to remember you pulling something like this before: "AM I MAKING SENSE? I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, WELL, I REALLY WANNA PUT ASIDE ALL THE CRAP AND THE HURT, AND THE ANGER I'VE STIRRED UP DURING MY TENURE ON THIS WACKY OLD BOARD WE CALL AIN'T IT. I GUESS IT TOOK ONE PERSON REACHING OUT THE SWEET HAND OF FRIENDSHIP TO HELP ME SEE THAT THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE PATH I'M ON CAN ONLY LEAD TO THE DARKSIDE" Except with added alcoholism.
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That goes for the real one too.
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I appreciate the sentiments dude, and I know me, I can say I am staying away but I never will, in the end I will always come back. I might not say too much, but as far as going away? Not happening.Taintlick...not sure how to read you, if you are sincere about your last post, accepted and my apologies for my insults. If you are sincere of course, if not then that's a different story lol.
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Kinda like Battle Of The Bulge, only a little more dirty. But just as epic. And all in capitals.
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And the fact you dismiss Rome so easily means you are a fool. Which is no suprise. Go fuck yourself. Hyperbole is the inflated opinion you have of yourself, dumb boy.
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I think he's both honest in what he said, while cracking a joke at it. I think i really udnerstand his sense of humour. I ssupect he's the type of guy who could be very serious and honest about what he says, while at th same time taking the piss out of it. Which makes for quite a very interesting character. I think AICN would be poorer without him.
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Believe you me, my friend, that i have not yet posted about everythign is ee wrong in Skank Trek. In fac,t i have only posted the tip of the iceberg of what's wrong and nonsensical and dumb about the fucking movie. There would be more, much more to be said about the fucks up of the movie. so, no, you haven't seen it all about the arguments about this movie, friend. There's still a lot left to be said.
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Oh, I believe you.Go on, if you feel you must. It's all for nought but it's your time.
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Oct 14, 2009 4:42:44 PM CDT
I can't imagine having a discussion in real life about this tb
by takingscorpioscalls
"So what were you up to today honey?" "Oh nothing, that guy Taintlick was really riding up on me."
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I liked Rome, but to say it's the greatest piece of American television is hyperbolic crap. You just don't understand shades of grey do you dickmuncher? As For: "I think he's both honest in what he said, while cracking a joke at it. I think i really udnerstand his sense of humour. I ssupect he's the type of guy who could be very serious and honest about what he says, while at th same time taking the piss out of it. Which makes for quite a very interesting character. I think AICN would be poorer without him." You are one deluded little twat aren't you?
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Star Trek baby
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Tell me about it. When Mrs-Spud-To-Be says "How was your day?" and I mention what's happening on the TBs, she looks at me like I was a 3 year old writing on the wall in his own poo. Seriously, I think she'd respect me more if I just beat off while watching lesbian porn on the net. At best, it'd make me more of a MAN, baby!
In unrelated news, I saw ZOMBIELAND last night. Fucking loved the hell out of it. Now I want to see a movie where Tallahassee meets Ash, and they have to BOTH kick-ass.
ZOMBIELAND is massively under-rated. Fucking fantastic movie. -
-go fuck themselves about 88 times in this thread. Please. You are far to busy attempting to impregnate the male goat population of greater Portugal via their rectums to understand that this is talkback suicide. However I have a nice, big jar of KY for you that you may apply to the stair railing of your choice should you yes actually attempt to channel Ned Beatty w/ the tranny lepers from Oporto you cannot keep your eyes off of. IT's only fitting/and what you deserve.
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