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The Writer (And Maybe Director) Of The VENOM Movie Is...
Merrick here...
Looks like Columbia may be closer to giving Venom his own movie.
Venom was introduced into the SPIDER-MAN film franchise via SPIDER-MAN 3, in which he was played by Topher Grace (who seemed way more alive than Maguire did in that film). It's unclear whether Grace...or a differtent actor...would portray Venom in a full-on feature built around the character.
Gary Ross is writing “Venom,” Columbia’s “Spider-Man” spinoff based on one of the villains from “Spider-Man 3,” as a potential directing vehicle. Ross is already writing “Spider-Man 4” for the studio.
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The studio had no comment on Grace’s involvement nor on Ross writing the project.
...says The Hollywood Reporter HERE.
Gary Ross is the most recent screenwriter charged with beating SPIDER-MAN 4 into shape . Previously he wrote and directed PLEASANTVILLE and SEABISCUIT.
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The studio had no comment on Grace’s involvement nor on Ross writing the project.
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Er, does anyone really care?
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I never understood Venom as a lead character. He was always at his best as the monster.
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I love pleasantville and dave was pretty neat. i guess big was too, never saw seabiscuit. I can't imagine a superhero movie from him though, but i must admit i'm intrigued.
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Or is he the hero? You can't make this movie. It's nonsensical. Right a Sabre-tooth movie. A villain worth watching.
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might as well remake spider-man 3
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because it was shit
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It was a mistake to show the audience an actor with charisma against Maguire's emo interpretation (that only Devin over at CHUD liked).
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Gopher looks too much like a lil boy. They need to get a real man to play venom , not a metrosexual manlet like topher. Venom having his own is retarded to begin with
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Liam Neeson
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I agree 100%. That's the first thing I said when I walked out of the movie. Maguire was upstaged.
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I thought maybe it wasn't as bad as I remembered it. I was everso wrong.
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he has a very good eye for period detail. though I found seabiscuit to be a boring film. it had a nice sepia feel to it. i am not into horseracing. pleasantville and seabiscuit were special effects heavy movies with but were also serious story films.
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Have no fear AICN types...
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Well other than the weak script, dance numbers, zero chemistry with Mary Jane, 20 minutes of extra film, wasting Dylan Baker, etc.
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I can't even remember Venom in Spiderman 3, he was handled that badly. Does he deserve his own movie? As an original villain from the comics, or as the useless shit from Emo3? When Venom first came out in the comics I would have said Fuck Yeah bring that movie on! But that was, what, 1991? or something? He was cool back then, and I suppose he could be in his own movie handled properly. But was the piece of shit called Spiderman 3 the launching point for a Venom movie. No. You dumb Hollywood fucks. Although what am I moaning for, they already made two piece of shit alien and predator movies, so fuck me and fuck you the paying public I guess. Now, where's Adrien Brody, he'll set things right...
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...ought to have be his origin and early battles with Spider-Man.
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That wasn't Venom in spider-Man 3. I don't know what the fuck it was, but it sure as hell wasn't Venom.Marvel tried to turn Venom into an anti-hero in his run of comics. It didn't work, but I'll bet you a million dollars that is EXACTLY what they do with this film.
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...about how cool the black costume saga/Venom origin in a Spider-Man film should have been, it makes me sick.
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I think there is some potential for the character to be a decent anti-hero. The character is not portrayed as a total monster (ala. Sabertooth or Carnage), he tries to become a good guy, has his own morals, and it could potentially be a good story. That said, I think it would take a great script, a good actor (I think Topher Grace was fine, I think he can be a very good actor), and a balance between the comic book action, skewed morality of the character, and a compelling reason for Venom to be the protagonist (as opposed to harassing Spider-man).
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I know, right? They had Grace in S-3 cracking wise and had it be legitimately funny! That's the way Spider-Man should have been portrayed. I was rooting for a total recast for S-4, ah well.
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shame, cos im not. Spider-man 3 ruined this franchise for me, which annoys me because it WAS one of my favourites, but now i cant even read a spider-man comic without getting angry about spider-man 3.
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Nuclear Man from Superman IV: The Quest for Peace never got his own spin-off franchise so why should Venom? Also, Megan is right. Topher's balls haven't fully descended and therefore has no biz attempting Venom. He's funny and charismatic and I enjoy his work otherwise.
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If Raimi wannted to bring in a reflection of Spidey, he should have saved the Clone Saga for Spidey 4 and had Topher Grace as Ben Reilly.
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...until we hear what JettL has to say about it. He's the only RELIABLE thing on AICN these days.
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...don't make me think about Spider-man 3. It still hurts.
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Would be just as compelling.
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... A VENOM movie?!?! Does ANYONE want a Venom movie? Also, wasn't he incinerated?
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Every decent series has at least one movie that's inferior to the others for whatever reason. Get the fuck over it.
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While Sea and Pleasent were good. Actually I think Pleasentville was really good, Vemon is going to be a boring comic book movie. I don't know interesting choice.
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according to Empire. Also, a Daredevil reboot is quietly underway.
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i actually dont mind topher at all. i thought he did well in spidey 3, and i specially liked him in traffic. having said that, i dont know where they would go with a venom movie. are they doing the whole carnage angle and having venom be 'good'?
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If "vemon" didn't die in Spider Man 3 could they not just have another crack at sticking him in a Spider Man film at some point ? It'd make about as much sense as giving him his own film. Or slightly more.
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That guy who was two face in the Dark Knight looks more like Daredevil than the large headed gunt who played him first time round. He seems to be able to act, too, unlike the other daredevil
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Booooring character no matter who plays him. Captain America, Thor, Iron man even a SHIELD movie would be ten times better than D zzzz D.
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Iron man was ten times better
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Venom ruined Spidey3. End of story.
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Oct 08, 2009 10:04:44 AM CDT
"Does ANYONE want a Venom movie? Also, wasn't he incinerated?"
by big jim
Like two wrongs making a right, perhaps two reasons not to make a movie = a reason to make it.I suspect all those clamoring to see Carnage on the big screen will finally get their wish.Better idea, instead of a Venom movie, do a Thunderbolts movie with Venom as a member.
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Oct 08, 2009 10:06:16 AM CDT
Topher actually reminded me of Spidey from the comics...
by bizarroasimovlives
with all the comical, excessive, shit talking. They should make him the new SPIDEY!
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...flat out bad is not.
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Just film it.
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Oct 08, 2009 10:07:45 AM CDT
Topher Grace is like cilantro- some people can't stand it
by yackbacker
It's a genetic thing, like we're hard-wired to despise him or not. I personally want to throw him into a septic tank, because he is a huge piece of shit in my book. If he was Peter Parker, I would not have been able to sit through one of these Spidey movies, which is getting more and more difficult as the series progresses anyway.
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That is all.
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From the man who brought you Seabiscuit and Plesantville... Venom.
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Frank Millers Daredevil: Born Again saga, for me is the best superhero comic ever written, up there with The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen, and in the right hands would make a fantastic movie.
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will largely be an origin story where he fights the Kingpin in the climax. Why? Because the majority of "creative" people who make superhero movies don't know how to tell a story that isn't an origin story. Also, they like to focus on the villain they know (the one they saw in a previous film). Even the Spider-Man films, with the many villains we've seen, have been mainly origin stories. Spider-Man 1 was his origin, along with that of the Green Goblin. #2 focused on Dock Ock's origin. #3 was how Sandman came to be, as well as Venom, and they retconned Spidey's origin with the ridiculously unnecessary Sandman connection. One thing I liked about Daredevil was the conservative use of how he came to be. If there is to be a Daredevil reboot, hopefully they adapt Miller's "Born Again" storyline.
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If that helps. I don't think he will go Dark enough for a good Venom movie.
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Oct 08, 2009 10:17:56 AM CDT
I tried to get this gig but sony said my idea was to expensive a
by jettl93
I even completed an entire story outline as well as about a third of a finished script. However Sony said my idea would push the film over 150 million in terms of budget and it wasn't where they wanted to take the spiderman franchise at this point
My idea involved Venom being sent to a alternate universe at the end of spiderman 3. The movie would open minutes after spiderman 3 finished with venom arriving at the alternate universe. This alternate universe is just like our earth only with minor differances... mainly being that Characters fates and personalities are different (for example Mary Jane was killed by the mugger and thats why peter decided to fight crime, JJ jameson was also a timd man who supported spiderman). After trying to fitr into this new world Venom teams up with that worlds Green goblin, hobgoblin and doc ok (all who are still alive in this universe) to take down spiderman. In the end they do manage to kill spiderman, But they begin fighting among eachother and they realize without spiderman in their lives they have no true enemy, So eddie Brock informs them That the spiderman of his world was twice as powerful as the one they defeated and that if doc ock could find a way to conect the universes again they could all cross over and take on our world's spiderman. Eddie of course is only in it to get home and plans on double crossing the gang once he has what he wants. The film would end with the entire team making our way to our world and just as they start causing destruction Spidey shows up...The movie would end just as the fight was about to begin and the stopry would them be resolved in spiderman 5 (making Venom a sort of spiderman 4.5 if you will and more of a prequel to spidey 5 then an actual spin off) Sony said the idea was far too over the top and that the fact that The story calls for several actors to return (actors that would all demand high salaries) as well as how the story would lead into spiderman 5 (potentially shoehorning raimi and co into finishing the story, even if they didn't want to) the film just wouldn't work and they wanted the Venom movie to be in the spirt of the spdierman films but to be it's own story seperate of spiderman 4 and 5 I tried hard to push for this even getting tobey to agree to cameo (he loved the diea of a mirror iniverse psider getting killed) but Sony didn't want to take the riskI may still finish my script and maybe it will pop up online someday -
Oct 08, 2009 10:20:10 AM CDT
Yeah, I think all that villain origin stuff........
by righteousbrother
holds the Spidey films back. It was the same with the first Batman movies. Joker origin, Penquin origin, Catwoman origin, Riddler origin - they take up most of the movie. You never see origins of villains in the Bond movies, or westerns, or other action movies, you just accept that they're bad guys.
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Brock is supposed to be buff and rugged, fuq that skinny ultimate venom crap. The best Eddie Brock would be Russell Crowe, but if he didn't like Wolverine you know he wouldn't give a crap about Venom, so Sam Worthington imo is a decent substitute.
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Thanks for the extra hash brown this morning, my fat ass was HUNGRY! McGriddles are the shit!
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Or Matthew Mchaunagey (spl?) since you know that fool is crazy, at least when he gets his hand on some weed.
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One of these days it'll happen for you and you can have lots of coke n' hooker parties. Send us invites.
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Making cameos in the Spiderman movies to have an actual role, he's like the new Bruce Campbell.
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was on Charmed when the mirror elder Gideons tried to kill both baby Wyatts. I thought the charmed ones would lose this battle but they prevailed yet again with the Power of Four. Impressive thinking.
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Miguel O'Hara a.k.a. Spider-Man 2099 would be a great film. While all these nerds were going gaga because Ultimate Spider-Man's origin took multiple issues Peter David already did it back in 92-93; it took Miguel O'Hara 10 issues to finally realize that with great power comes great responsibility and to start kickin ass in the name of good. And I loved the Irish/Mexican ethnicity S2099 has, but then again I think at least the Irish part was negated a little later on in a twist that was revealed in the 25th issue. And Spider-Man 2099 had a pretty damn good costume too.
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.. the 'Topher would have been a better Parker' bandwagon. Where we goin'?
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Venom and Magneto two for $5.00 at Big Lots
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You know he wants to make up for Riddler so he might be up to it; and he knows Raimi's trying to make up for Spider-Man 3 so they would do great together.
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Oct 08, 2009 10:39:07 AM CDT
WHAT IF THE SYMBIOTE HAD ENCOUNTERED RICHARD SIMMONS
by bringingsexyback
instead? I think that would make a great movie. Who do I write to at Sony about that, JetL?
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Man, this guy - if Peter Parker's character hadn't been written like a whiny little weenie - Topher, would have made a much better Peter Parker.
Tobey was halted, stilted and awkward, and I don't know how to share the blame between script and execution. This I know: S3 had wayyyyy to much crying. Even my 10 year old nephew said "Are guys supposed to cry THAT much, Unc?"
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Frank Millers Batman, or Elektra would still kick DD's ass. I just can't get excited about a "superhero" that gets his ass waxed by a female human that knows martial arts. Lets see elektra take out juggernaut. Ha!
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THAT'S how much I don't want a Venom movie.
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and damn if we don't all cry with him.
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In everything, even in his new movie Brothers, he's laughably pussy looking as a grizzled war vet. Between him and the cuter of the two Gyllenhaal brothers it looks like the final fight is just going to be a slap fight with maybe some hair pulled. At least Jake can put on some muscle, but he still looks like a puss.
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I like his vulnerability as Parker and he pulls off Spidey well. S3 was taking it too far but let's hope they make a course correction on 4. I can't stand Topher. He can suck it.
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The only upstaging (if you can call it that) was JK Simmons doing another great performance. Raimi said he didn't want to include Venom until he saw how cool the s3 script was and its characterization of Venom was; we all know now that Raimi was just hustling for the movie. S3 Brock was an ass kissing back stabbing stalker; Raimi said he was what Peter Parker would be if he didn't have good parents. But all I saw was a guy that doqtored photos, had no game for women and stalked them when rejected. Peter's landlord and his daughter were better characters than Brock.
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..i'm with you 110% on Daerdevil. The character screams cinema. Murdock is a tight wound ball of contridictions enternally that would be a joy to look at if done right.
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SPIDERMAN 3 = BATMAN & ROBIN
Terrible. Terrible. Terrible film.
VENOM would be like making a Mr Freeze spin-off.
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There won't be Spidey in it, so what the fuck?
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"...cuter of the two Gylenhaal brothers......" there's another one besides Donnie Darko aka Heath's bottom boy?
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Tobey Maguire is a practitoner of 'internalized acting'. Just like De Niro and Redford. Where without dialogue, or obvious facial expressions they can convey to the audience what the character is feeling and thinking. Using only their eyes and the most subtle of movements.
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I would rather see Guardian Devil be made into a movie or a TV series and continue from there through Brubaker's first Arc. A complete recast as well.
John Goodman as King Pin
Michael Vartan as Matt/Daredevil
Robert Knepper as Bullseye
Patton Ozwald as Foggy
and HRG from heroes as Ben Urich.
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Spiderman 1 had a superb story. The weaknesses were the then-new special effects and the shitty green goblin. Spiderman 2 was a fucking masterpiece. Spiderman 3 was incredibly fucking bad. Poorly done villains, convoluted script and hyper-gay dance routine. So, when spidey has the venom suit on he becomes a flaming colon diver? What happened to remorseless badass instead of broadway dance number? Sandman could have been the lone villain and wrecked half the city. Venom could have been the lone villain and the story would have had more focus. Instead it was like the contents of a lower intestine after a buffet. A confused mass of shit.
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Too bad he was wasted in that crappy movie.
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"In the end assessment, I had fun with the movie. It isn’t better than SPIDER-MAN 2, but in many ways I do prefer it to the first SPIDER-MAN… I had a blast with it."
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Oct 08, 2009 11:16:07 AM CDT
From what i've heard, topher isn't in it because its a different
by jettl93
the rumblings i heard on the studio lot was that The studio wants a bigger lead then topher and producers have decided to free themselvs from spiderman 3 continuity and just start over new with a different character becoming venomThe Character name i heard rumored around was Sam Blake, a late 20's computer hacker who discovers the symbiote after being forced to work for the FBI on a sting operation gone wrong. The actor i hear the studio is interested in is Jake Gylenhall and that a mentor role is being written in hopes that Danny glover accept the partthat idea sound terrible compared to my script but then again i might be baised
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Venom is McFarlame concept that started the whole everyone spider man fight has to look like him thing. Ugh. He is kinda cool in Dark Avengers tho (i guess)
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that does sound terrible. Reminds me of the so-called Superman movie idea where he would wear all black and not have a cape. Is there any relationship between the symbiote and Spider-Man? Because if there isn't, it isn't Venom (not to mention the whole Sam Blake instead of Eddie Brock "alter-ego"). Also reminds me of the Catwoman movie. Why bother with source material when you can take the character name and make up everything else yourself? Hey Hollywood, I have an idea for a Wonder Woman movie. A model/actress, Paulette Paisley, finds a magic tiara that gives her super strength. She wears a designer couture gown, with a cape and cowl. She fights corruption on the set of her CW show about superheros (she plays the obligatory damsel in distress/girlfriend) and has a crush on her co-star who only has eyes for her alter-ego. Hey, as long as it has the familiar title of "Wonder Woman" people will go see it, right?
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Yeah the one who played two faces love interest in The Dark Knight...ahhh whats his name...oh yeah Maggie.
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Good one, Merrick, speeling like a champion.
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Peter Saarsgaard (spl?) will fuq u up. actors who primarily do indy work don't give a crap.
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Even though he definitley isn't the Eddie Brock from the comics, i thought he did very well with the shit he was given. I just really hope MJ is killed off in the next one, i really can't stand another half to three quaters of an hour of a blockbuster film listening to that whining, miserable, poor me pain in the arse. If i wanted to listen to a whinging woman i'd talk to my wife
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from splashpage:
Following up on yesterday’s news that “Spider-Man 4” scribe Gary Ross will write and direct the “Venom” spin-off; new details about the plot and story direction have emerged.
Variety is reporting that the new film will transform Venom into “an anti-hero who becomes a defender of the innocent.”
The move seems reminiscent of the '90s era “Venom” comics that cast the character as a “Lethal Protector.” However, it should be noted that while the reinvention of the character was initially successful, his popularity started to fade shortly thereafter.
Since the new movie is starting “from the drawing board," it’s not certain whether Topher Grace will reprise his role as Venom’s alter-ego, Eddie Brock. [SPOILER ALERT!] With Brock’s demise at the end of “Spider-Man 3,” it will be interesting to see if his resurrection is explained in the film or if the events of the previous movie will simply be ignored.
The “Venom” movie has been in development for several years, thanks to Marvel’s deal with Sony that allows the studio to use “Spider-Man” characters “in perpetuity.”
At this point, there is no date set for the release of the “Venom” film. However, given the speed of the most recent announcements, further news may be coming soon.
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Probably would fuck me right up the ass. I've seen that dude fuck more guys in movies then I probably should, so I'm pretty sure he's gay. Yeah you can say its acting, but he has to be going after these roles.
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Oct 08, 2009 12:22:29 PM CDT
isnt venom a pretty weak and one dimensional character??
by six demon bag
why would they do this?
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who knows.
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.. what kind of bonehead one would have to be to sign an "in perpetuity" contract knowing the state that Hollywood is in these days. One of three things can happen.. you'll never get your property back OR if you ever do get it back it will be jacked up beyond all recognition at that point. Otherwise the studio wouldn't let the rights revert back to you. Third option would be Disney buying out of the contract out for insane amounts of money. I hope that person was shown the door.
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Not everyone can be the script writer that you are.
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Shattered Glass, Empire, and Orphan (where he diqed Vera whateverherlastnameis from Departed). Idk about him reaching for the rainbow as far as movies.
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my script for Venom kicked all sorts of ass. I had C-No look it over and he gave it the big thumbs up.
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Yeah, cause that Wolverine spin off did so well. And that actually had the original actor in it! They fucked up Venom in SM3, not to mention he dies at the end!!! And he's a freakin villain, why would you make a spin off about a bad guy?? Great idea Marvel. Is this what we can expect from the new Disney merger? If so, I'm predicting this is going to be direct to video just like all their other shit movie spinoffs/sequels. Right there on the shelf with Snow White 7: Sleepy's Revenge...
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If you're talking about Christopher Nolan you've just commited a crime....you're not allowed to shorten the Grand Master's name.
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IMO, yes. It's a black symbiote that Spider-man originally got during "Secret wars" All it really does is make the wearer uninhibited and usually, destructively evil. It's only as interesting as who it takes over. The closest approximation would be that Jackie Chan movie "The tuxedo." Then again, venom has to be better than a daredevil movie.
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When you've worked so closely with him like I have, and JettL, you call him C-No. It's cool, he calls me Pill Lo.
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All the dykes in hollywood call me Mead--owwwwwwww!!!!!!! They just want in my underage skinny jeans tho so I don't reciprocate.
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Oct 08, 2009 12:39:55 PM CDT
Sea Biscuit/Pleasantville guy = We're stuck with Toby's fat bald
by thecomedian
The only way most would give a shit about Spider-man 4 would be for them to start fresh with a new cast. Raimi could even stay on since he can change up his style with little to no effort. A 4th Toby movie where he's all fat and bald intercut with the same CGI spiderman doing shit a stunt man could do is gonna be lame. Especially with "Turn Off The Dark" coming out next year. If that play is a gangbusters hit like Tommy was in the 90s then no one's gonna give a shit about a cash in Toby sequel. Just my two cents. And it's not all hate for Toby Maguire. He's a talented actor. Just think they could use some new blood...or just sit down with Paramount and Disney have the old "we're all grown ups here." pow wow and let him be in the same movie as the rest of the Marvel heroes. That's the only way I'd give a shit about another Toby Maguire Spider-man movie.
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Sony/Columbia has Venom rights, not Marvel/Disney. Hence my mini-rant. They can screw with any Spidey character as often as they want and Marvel can't do a damn thing about it.
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Disney now owns the Marvel, its inevitable that eventually Sony will lose the spiderman movie rights so they may as well pump out as many movies with the characters while they can. Fox is doing the same thing. Daredevil and Fantstic 4 where dead projects (trust me i know, i tried to get FOx to Ok my FF3script) but as soon as disney aquired Marvel FOx all of a suden anno8unded reboots of both franchises where in the works, and then they have hinted that X4 is a possibility (2 months ago the X-men franchise was over, spin offs and new mutants was to be all we saw). It's a business and these are bankable characters, so you can't really blame them...and hey for people like me that write this stuff its a great time to be working. I'd still love to jump on board the FF reboot, and i did some spec designs for a new daredevil costime, hope they use it
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Try The Dying Gaul, Kinsey, The Center of the World and Flightplan (I'm pretty sure he's gay in that, I mean he got his ass handed to him by Jodie Foster).
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Theres no way in hell it's gonna get justice. However, im still interested enough to give it a chance even though Venom was raped because Raimi doesnt like the character. Now that he's out of his hands, My guess is that they will work venom into spidey five and six. With Carnage introduced
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They're by no means terrible, but even the best one, S-M 2 is a bit of a grind in places. They need to recast and start over with a new production crew.
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Here's my idea:
S4 starts with MJ angry that Peter is always out doing his thing and not having time for her. Peter is running against Michael Morbius for a research position with Curt Connors and Miles Warren, who are working on a way to regrow limbs for amputees.
Everyone disagrees with each other. Miles favors cloning the limb right onto the body. Connors suggests recombining human and lizard DNA. Morbius says that neither idea would work because the human body isn't strong enough. Peter secretly studies his own blood as a catalyst to regrowing limbs, and accidently discovers a way to rid himself of his powers. Peter would never consider it, and leaves the project cold... but his work is discovered by Morbius, Connors, and Warren. Each man greedily goes about implementing Peter's blood in a new way. Warren clones Peter outright as well as making himself stronger (and insane, of course... that's how these things usually work).
Peter and his clone are unaware of each other and both try to live the Peter/Spidey life for a few days, pissing off everyone (Mostly Morbius, who hates Peter) with a bunch of "what are you doing' "don't you remember what we just talked about" "why are you acting so differently" cliches until they run into each other and shit gets real. They become competitive as to who the real Parker is, and naturally fight to keep the other away from MJ, who is horrified by all this. In the end, the Jackal (Warren) dies, as does one of the two Spideys. The other one is horrified that he may be the clone and the real Parker dead, until he remembers something from AFTER Peter's DNA was sampled but BEFORE the clone was created, thus proving himself the real Parker. AFter talking with MJ, Peter decides that if he continues being Spider-man, he could loose his identity like he almost did with the clone, so he resolves to rid himself of his Spider-powers. The movie ends six-months later, with Morbius, Connors, and Parker all working on their own little science project. Morbius- blinded by his competition with Parker-accidently turns himself into a vampire. Connors does likewise, becoming the Lizard. And Parker... his attempt backfires and causes him to grow extra arms, becoming the eight-limbed Spider-man. End credits. Spider-Man 5 picks right off. Peter is horrified. Why didn't the process rid him of his powers and why did he grow extra limbs? To get the answers and cure himself, he has to track down Doc Connors. But Connors is now transforming into the Lizard- arguably Spidey's most savage foe. To make it worse, Morbius is also on the Doc's trail, and really pissed off at Parker, who he blames for his condition. Meanwhile, the media turns against Spidey, who they now regard as a monster/freak, and start blaming him for Morbius' murders. All the while, someone in the shadows is watching these three men who have turned themselves into monsters. It's Ben Reilly- the clone thought dead from the previous film. Turns out he survived, and came to grips with the horrible realization that he was the clone. He has come back after six months in exile to help his brother Peter cure himself. The climax of the story is the death of Morbius at the hands of the Lizard, and the horrible realization that not only is Connors uncurable, but that Peter is actually the clone.
That's why the formula made him grow arms instead of ridding him of his powers. His DNA is unstable, and slowly "Peter" will become a disgusting creature. THe man who has lived the past 6 months as Ben Reilly takes his rightful place and tries to make piece with the 6-armed Spider-clone, but the clone is inconsolable, noting that at some point he will lose all humanity and Spidey will probably have to defeat him in combat. Peter picks up the pieces of his life alongside MJ, while Connors and the clone run off in search of their respective cures. -
.... Who also needs to consume human brain matter in order to survive! Perfect idea for a movie!
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We're friends bc our first names are both Christopher. He calls me Cbake.
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They are in fact using your daredevil costume design, well at least most of it.
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Without some reference to Spider-Man, without SOMETHING that grounds it in the same universe as the other Spider-Man films, whether its J. Jonah Jameson or news reports of Spider-Man or what have you. I want this to take place in the same universe.
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Where Eddie Brock goes to Conners (spl?) and beats his ass in front of his family to get the symbiote sample back. Humiliated that he couldn't defend himself and his family he looks for a way to regrow his arm and becomes the Lizard. Someone posted this a while back and I thought it would be a good way to have Lizard and Venom in s4.
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They were just quoted on Superhero Hype saying they were working on the Venom Script.
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"S4 starts with MJ angry that Peter is always out doing his thing and not having time for her." You accurately postulate the ongoing problems between Raimi's Peter and MJ, and that is precisely why these movies can be tedious. Spider-Man has a lot of angst, that's the comic version and I get that-- but every so often they let the guy loose and he kicks ass and takes names. If we get another movie where MJ's menstrual cycle dictates the action, I'm going to fucking cry more than the the combined weeping that took place in SPIDER-MAN 3.
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You're supposed to look at Pete & MJ and wonder how a nerd got a hot chiq like that. When you look at those 2, you actually think "that nerd can do a lot better than bee bump boobs over there."
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and she is played by brunette Sienna Miller.
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I could not believe it was followed by the atrocity that is S3. Dancing? Singing? Crying? Talking? WTF
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I'm looking forward to her playing the American President in THE A-TEAM. Jessica Biel is a general as well.
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The symbiote gave him the ability to tickle the ivories.
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That guy makes everything better.
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Don't yank my chain!!!! This is Sienna Miller we're talking about.
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Let's just forget SM3 ever happened. Rourke would be an awesome choice as well, not that it would ever happen.
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Ah man, if I had imdb.com privileges, I would make it so. Sorry, my man. Miller no, but Biel IS a general in the movie... a general piece of ass.
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Will open in London 1st quarter 2010.
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Oct 08, 2009 1:27:33 PM CDT
So no one has asked the obvious question- is Gary Ross broke?
by yackbacker
Does he have a raging coke/gambling habit? Not since Robert CHINATOWN Towne did a pass on MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 2 has a pairing of writer and film seemed so strange.
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seemed about as credible as Sienna Miller. Sommers should have cast Rachael Weisz as Duke too, making the whole Baroness affair 1,000,000 times hotter.
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Please. Let all the Spiderman properties just go away until someone who actually gives a SHIT about the franchise wants to do something worthwhile with it.
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Why does he just vanish all neatly after Peter blows him up? There's not even a greasespot...
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If done well, a standalone Venom movie "could" be pretty damn fun.
I bought issue 1 of the standalone Venom comic book a while back. If memory serves he'd moved to San Fransisco or something like that and was trying to be a hero. -
When you have to narrate to your audience what they're should be feeling (through "live news reports"), you have WAY lost the battle."Just when the city (city?!?!? wtf?!?!?) had lost all hope! Look at that crowd cheer, Bob. Doesn't it make you want to cheer, too?" (Reporter looks pointedly at camera/audience, raises one eyebrow.) (Good little puppets! Now, dance! Dance!)Fuck that movie was horrible!
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i think they will have more than one copy of GI JOE at the redbox...pour a little of your 40 for AJ tonight when you watch ATLANTA...
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Oct 08, 2009 1:41:13 PM CDT
but really VENOM is collectively known as brock and the symbiote
by six demon bag
is there gonna be the other nadir too in this film--CARNAGE???yay! then we will see that eddie will be the better man and was misunderstood all along...**vomiting in corner**
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The film's climax will have Spider-Man rescuing Mary Jane, who was kidnapped by the villain in order to lure Spidey into a fight, again.Why can't Spider-Man in the movies go after a villain because it is the right thing to do, not because his dumbass girlfriend got kidnapped, again? Why even bother with the line "with great power comes great responsibility"? Unless by "responsibility" the writers meant, as the villain's nemesis, being responsible for your girlfriend getting nabbed by the bad guy and feeling like it's on you to get her back safely".I'd love to see a cinema Spider-Man that gets his ass handed to him but goes back for seconds because he is the only one with a chance of stopping the bad guy. Not doing it because some family member is in trouble, and not because the villain is suddenly the one who was really responsible for his uncle's death (I will never get over how enormously stupid that was).
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Channing Tatum is in G.I. Joe. You know that, right? If you're not sure about this, I'll remind you -- he's the one that you probably mistook for a blank-faced vaguely human-shaped boulder in almost every scene. I know, I know. You probably thought that the boulder was some artsy "choice" that the director made, some avant-garde statement, that war is a mountain that fills our lives with boring blandness and a stunning inability to act, emote, or even read lines. But, no. No European fancy-schmancy here. Just, possibly, the all-time worst actor in the fucking history of the world. The kinda guy that the first cave man who got lied to would find hard to believe. Even Channing Tatum's family wants someone else to take over his role in their lives as they find that "the role of 'person' doesn't really suit Channing's strengths; he'd have been a much better paperweight." (That was his mom I quoted, by the way)See, you don't criticize anyone for anything when they're in a movie that Channing Tatum appears in. It's just not done.It's like trying to grab a stray hair on your head at the edge of a black hole.
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Oct 08, 2009 1:58:28 PM CDT
to those whining about Venom in SM3, and an idea about how to do
by w3bzpinn3r
Topher was the PERFECT Brock. Sure he wasn't 280lbs of muscle, but I don't recall Wolf Blitzer, Larry King, or any other journalist fit that mold either. Eddie Brock in the comics was a whiny, pathetic, clingy man who lost his job, his wife, and his sanity when he made an ass of himself by publishing a fake story. Spider-Man catches the real villain, and Brock blames Spider-Man for his problems. Movie Brock is a whiny, pathetic kid who loses everything after doctoring up a photo.
After praying to god, both versions of Eddie bond with the Symbiote, and are promised great power and revenge on the one Brock sees as ruining his life: Spider-Man (even though Brock is 100% at fault, but like most people these days, cannot take responsibility for his actions). Basically, of all the movie SM villains, Venom was the most faithful to the comics. How to bring him back? Easy. Since the SM universe seems to blend aspects of all the various versions of Spider-Man, we don't need some stupid alternate reality. All we need is a tiny sliver of the symbiote to survive. In Ultimate Spider-Man, the symbiote is able to regenerate not only itself, but its host's DNA as well. This would allow Eddie Brock to come back. Weakened and confused, Brock heads out to San Francisco, his birthplace. While out there, a government agency, realizing the potential of the alien (having seized the shred Conners has at ESU) persues Venom in an attempt to collect him for use as a super soldier program. Venom objects and fights back. The General in charge, using prisoners as test subjects, bonds a freak (Cletus Kassidy) with the shred Conners had, and creates Carnage. Carnage gets loose, and it's up to Venom to kill the offspring before San Fran is destroyed, and Venom escapes the General at the end and is seen sitting on a bus tow New York, for a 'reunion' with dear ol' Petey. -
Regardless of how bad other actors may be, or how over-the-top they get, they at least know how to emote. Channing Tatum seems to lack the muscles required to raise an eyebrow. His idea of getting angry of course is just getting louder.
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After getting his azz fired he started lifting weights to get his aggression out. So like I initially said, have Sam Worthington work out more and give him the role.
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I think this movie could work as long as it's totally anti-spiderman, meaning no campy jokes, no dancing, and no "great powers comes..." extremely Flawed hero with powers = good movie
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She would not need makeup. The premise is, when she's carnage, she becomes cleaned up, straight and attractive.
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What is this Venon movie, anyway? A reboot? And since when Venon became an hero?
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Or Leslie Nielsen. Will be the same thing to me.
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The jerk just prattles on about sparing "the innocent" and has this really inflated sense of self-importance. Now he's Anti-Venom (lame) and nothing's changed. Can't imagine what a movie is going to be like. At any rate I think Scorpion has made a much more interesting fit for the symbiote.
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Give us the Dylan Baker as Lizard we've all been waiting for, dadgumit! (Just cuz I like Dylan Baker.)
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I am so sick of vampires.
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As Venom? He's like the this generations Robert Downy Jr.
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sarcasm rules!
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He's already got a super person movie coming out. The Defendor. I want to see a Defendor/Special crossover event of the summer made.
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He looked awesome.
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That would be pretty fuckin' cool! that way you can keep Venom the way he's supposed to be, a fuckin' monster. Trying to make him a crusader for good was retarded in the comics and it will be retarded in a film.
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next time watch the explosion and for a split second you see Brock's skeleton in there. so the reason there isn't a body or leftovers is because he was pretty much incinerated to nothing.
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Isn't like Woody Harelson the same age as Robert Downy Jr?
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He didn't upstage Tobey imho. He did fine in his role and Tobey did fine in his. I don't have the problem with Spidey 3 that it seems many here have. I have pretty much zero interest in Venom. To me he was always a lazy idea - an evil Spiderman - whoopdeedoo.
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Also topher was a trainwreck-the eddie brock in the old comics was like a dickhead jock with *spiderman's powers*. It's a simple concept-but nooooo-Grace was just one of the problems with s3
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Wow, it's like Looney Toones...
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And I instantly thought, why in the fuck hasn't he been cast as a villian in anything lately? He was scary as shit in Dead Man Walking, and over the edge in Mystic River. I know he'd never do it,(busy with Oscar bait shit)but he should direct and star in a Marvel or DC movie. That'd be the shit. He's got a son, i'm sure he'd appreciate it.
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If Brock got completely incinerated by a pumpkin bomb, why did Harry just get a little scar from being hit with the same thing? I want my No-Prize! -
Everyone knows this. Well his close friends (like me) do anyway. He calls me C squared while we discuss film ideas over green tea.
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I read on IGN like yesterday that the guys who wrote Zombieland just handed in the second draft of VENOM. Also, Isn't venom, you know, dead? Topher jumping into the explosion was the real icing on hte shit-cake that was Spider-Man 3.
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Forget Ben Kingsly as Vulture and cast Harvey Keitel.
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Cuz with all the money he makes, he can do doofus shit like having girls eat out girls who are on their rag (or as diablow cody puts it, plugging). He's literally like Scrooge McDuck now, he swims in a big Money Bin full of money. When I tried to dive and swim in his gold coins I just suffered a concussion; only Grand Master Christopher Nolan can do a nosedive into the money and penetrate it and swim in it.
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It needs to be done as a monster movie like the Wolfman. Guy trying to control the darkness within etc.
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Make Venom the hero and Spider man the villian . . . ie tell the story from Venom's perspective as an origins story/revenge flick. That would PWN. But alas it won't happen because Sony sucks donkey balls.
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Oct 08, 2009 4:49:08 PM CDT
Topher's a smartass and won't shut up, much like Spidey
by onin solstice
The role of Spidey should of been his, if you don't like his personality, then you never read a Spidey comic. Maguire is a always two second away from slitting his wrist. What fun....
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Remember, I said it first.
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Oct 08, 2009 5:06:59 PM CDT
Joe Manganiello would have been way better than Grace.
by outlawsdelejos
They should seriously just put someone new in. Oh, Joe Manganiello played the Flash Thompson in the first spider-man, he should have been venom in no. 3
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guaranteed shit-show Spider-Man 4 to look forward to? A 40-year-old Spidey is right up Raimi's alley. What a hack.
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Don't make it.
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prepare for total disappointment
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When i grow up i wanna be as cool as you
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VENOM! CARNAGE! NEW GREEN GOBLIN AS REAPLCEMENT FOR DEMOGOBLIN! OTHER CRAZY VILLIANS!! SPIDEY! FANTASTIC 4 CAMEO! IRON MAN CAMEO! DAREDEVIL CAMEO! AND MAYBE THE HULK FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! THEN THE HULK GET CAUGHT BY THE SYMBIOTE! VENO)HULK!!! FUCKING CRAZY SON!!!
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Bring on Topher Grace!! http://sickpicks.blogspot.com/
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How are they going do the movie, since Venom died in part 3.
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Oct 08, 2009 9:20:32 PM CDT
Wake me up when they do the Superpro movie.
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
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Steve Buscemi?
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Oct 08, 2009 9:25:28 PM CDT
Gentlemen, all the Spiderman movies fingered walrus anus
by takingscorpioscalls
I swear it was nothing but Toby moping and the saggy goatbush granny saying ancient chinese proverbs.
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Maybe we'll learn that although Sandman shot Uncle Ben rather than the burglar, it wasn't fatal until Kraven the Hunter ran up and shot him better.
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in his Walter Kovacs makeup.
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We love the bullsh....I mean insider scoops.
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Can we have sex?
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The compulsive liar who always said "Yeah! Yeah! That's the ticket!"
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A great formula would be to make a movie about an unknown or made-up Marvel character like a regular dude without powers and just tell a cool gritty story with some edge about some guy living in the Marvel universe. That way Venom and other awesome characters can show up in the background and be absolutes like the Joker in the Dark Knight that don't require an explanation or a story arc (That's how they appear in comics anyway). I think the mystery of these characters makes them the most interesting. One of the problems with origin movies is that they spoil the mystery by revealing too much and smear shit all over the 'sacred' origin that defines who the character is to fans.
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A great formula would be to make a movie about an unknown or made-up Marvel character like a regular dude without powers and just tell a cool gritty story with some edge about some guy living in the Marvel universe. That way Venom and other awesome characters can show up in the background and be absolutes like the Joker in the Dark Knight that don't require an explanation or a story arc (That's how they appear in comics anyway). I think the mystery of these characters makes them the most interesting. One of the problems with origin movies is that they spoil the mystery by revealing too much and smear shit all over the 'sacred' origin that defines who the character is to fans.
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Once again we hear the rumors of a villain movie. These always are considered but never happen! Catwoman was the closest thing to it.
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How could they fuck up the series that badly? I didn't even like the first one, but it was at least decent with a few great moments. Just thinking about it makes me sick.
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Please never, ever, EVER stop posting on this site.
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Would be nice with a talkback for that.
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and his sidekick rocket raccoon. Marvel classic!
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With Spider-Man and Venom. "Ah, Flash, Mary Jane's coming over you got symbiote goo all over the couch!" Buddy rom-com is the way to go.
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....Raimie's SPIDER-MAN 3.At least ADigitalMan's 'SPIDER-MAN:The Darkness Within' fanedit salvaged the movie somewhat for me. As well as getting rid of the ridiculous 'dancing' Parker moments, I also like how he 'modulated' Venom's voice better in it.Raimie fucked up this great character by 'shoehorning' him into his 3rd instalment, and I sure hope the character gets to shine in this 'spin-off' instead.
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Spiderman 3 is Spiderman2 in overdose.and i really cant understand why the fanboys consider spidy2 a comic-movie masterpiece,when the movie did have considerable flaws,the same flaws which exist inSM3 .I guess after 20 years,the movie will be criticized as it deserves.
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C-No is what his current, CLOSE friends call him.LOL Pawprint.
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Pleasantville is an excellent movie, who knows? he might just save this franchise, that said however I'm not sure we need a Venom spinoff movie, especially considering 3's version was so bad
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topher would have made a better spider-man. spider-man was too busy being sarcastic and cracking wise about peoples mamas to be overly emotional like toby maguire. I like maguire as an actor, but not as spider-man.
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I also agree that not only should Jackie Earle Haley play Carnage, but I think it is very likely if Carnage is ever brought into the films. Well, that is unless the execs think Zac Efron could do a better one.
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It's so good.
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I loved Seabiscuit; it reminded me of an old school B&W sports drama from the 1940's. Back then, it could have easily starred, say, James Cagney in the title role. Pleasantville was also a delight of a movie, though some of the points---black and white= close minded conservative and closeted gay vs. enlightened artists in Technicolor---were pretty simplistic.
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I said it before they cast Topher and I'll say it again. Boreanaz would be perfect as Eddie Brock. Just check him out as Angel/Angelus.
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For some reason, his appearance felt rushed, as if he was forced to be in the movie just to applease the comic fanboys.And that shitty subplot with sandman being responsible for Ben Parker's death..??what the fuck was that shit all about?next thing you know, they'll have a butler explain how norman osborn was really killed and that it wasnt spiderman's fault......oh, wait..!
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This will be a worse movie than "Elektra", and that's saying something.
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GLAD I THOUGHT OF IT ;)
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With Venom dead and buried by the end of the first Spiderman, where he was on screen for a total of 5 minutes, and no way they get TM to put on the Spiderman costume for this one to reshoot the symbiote storyline, what other choice do they have? "There hae been many other Venoms throughout history, and here we are in San Francisco with Joe Blake, crime scene investigator turned symbiote host with kick ass demonic spider-powers." Seriously, WTF!?!?! This has bad idea written all over it and I love Venom!
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Oct 09, 2009 11:22:16 PM CDT
Okay, Woody Harrelson as Carnage could be cool.
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
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Fron the man who brought you Pleaantville, Seabiscuit, Dave, and wrote Lassie, Mr. Baseball, and Big.... Venom.
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wanted venom in a spider man movie for a very long time. so they got venom in a spiderman movie and the response was the usual barrage of fanboy and fangirl whingeing and moaning and outtrage. raimi got blamed the studio got blamed. was marvel wrong to think lets give them what they what. fans response was you made a hash of it idiots. the whole point of spiderman three was all that fame, celebrity, and adulation went to peter parkers head and he became arrogant and corrupted. he was angry. when the symbiote latched on to him. parker no longer felt retstraind. he could do whatever the hell he wanted. he was wearing the black suit when he did that busby berkley number. he had forgotten that line about with great power comes great responsibilty. in spiderman three the power went to his head.
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..after seeing the cinematic abortion known as Spider-man 3 must be into getting his ass raped or some sick crap like that. The only superhero movie worse than Spider-man 3 is batman and Robin, and brother just by a hair as far as I'm concerned. The batskates win it by a nose!! Now of course if Venom gets made we may have a new contender though, just have to wait and see.
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Fuck, it was an epic movie in comic book form. One cringe-worthy dance routine wasn't enough to blow it for me. Thankfully, at home there's a fast-forward button.
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Stupid idea.
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DAVID BOREANAZ!! seriously though..spot on Stovetop.
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Wait, is that show even still around? I'm kidding. And hey, they could do a little nod to Spidey 2 and have Bones chick play the same gum smacking secretary. The script practically writes itself!
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