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Does Tonight Mark Bryan Fuller’s Swan Song On HEROES??
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Someone mentioned to me recently that Bryan Fuller wrote the third “Heroes” episode of this season, but because last Monday brought a two-hour premiere I’m not clear on whether he meant tonight’s episode or next week’s. NBC’s press release for tonight’s episode, “Ink,” doesn’t mention the name of its writer:
Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) faces unexpected consequences for his heroic acts and encounters a reluctant new hero (guest star Deanne Bray). As Claire (Hayden Panettiere) continues to adjust to college life, she must figure out how to deal with her ability having been revealed. Meanwhile, Samuel (Robert Knepper) moves heaven and earth to recapture the memories of his late brother Joseph. Elsewhere, Matt (Greg Grunberg) struggles with his internal demons as Sylar (Zachary Quinto) mysteriously resurfaces. Jack Coleman also stars. Assaf Cohen and Rick Worthy also guest star.
Regardless, the last Fuller-scripted “Heroes” episode apparently marks also the end of Fuller’s involvement in the series generally, as NBC called him away from the show in June to create two new prospective series for the network.
Though his name was not on last week’s teleplays, one hears Fuller took a big hand in scripting last week’s standout Claire Bennet college scenes. (I loved that girl who seemed way too enthusiastic as they were exploring the grisly details of Claire’s roommate’s apparent suicide.)
Word is Fuller’s final episode was rewritten subsequent to his departure from "Heroes" (he apparently couldn’t stick around to help oversee the episode’s production). Because it’s unclear how much it was rewritten, you should try to manage your shock if it doesn’t soar to the same heights as the Fuller-scripted installments “Company Man” and “Cold Snap.”
8 p.m. Monday. NBC.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpbxHe5zyrU
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...apparently you decided that the fourth cold start in four seasons was a sound enough creative move to continue talkbacks. Don't mind, because more talkbacks for more shows seems a pretty good thing to me, but I must admit I wonder what it was about that two hour premiere that convinced you.
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The season premiere, while not totally gawd awful, wasn't enough to keep it on the DVR scheduler. It was most noteworthy for "Lamest Use of Ray Park... Ever".
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The show hasn't been good since the first season, and it faltered even then as the first season drew to a close. Cancel this show and give the budget to CHUCK!! Fuckers.
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Not that they don't try desperately. Rehashing the image of Peter on the rooftop with the soundtrack of the weird singing. Yeah, we remember when the show was interesting and fresh too. Thanks for rubbing it in. Since then we've seen not one original idea put forth, a complete mish mash of everybody's abilities, and a plethora of dead end storylines. This show is completely done, no matter the extent of Fuller's involvement.
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Deal with it internet. Fuller is vastly overrated, because this site has a hard on for Daisies which got the boot after two seasons. The show has a nice slow burn this season. Chuck as Neo is plain retarded and should have been the cue to cancel it right there. Heroes is probably going to stick around.
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Or else they're not gonna make the to season 6.
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Guess Herc LIKED last weeks opener? While it wasn't fantastic, it was mediocre at best, but maybe we're riding out the last of Fuller-desperation-post....?
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Sylar or the Circus?
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dont get it....or the love for Lost and The Office
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The show sucks. It has for an incredibly long time. Longer than any show has a right to suck that bad and remain on-air. Get over it. And Season One wasn't "magic" Maybe compared to the other seasons of Heroes, but compared to any great season of just about any other show ever, it was still broad, pandering to the masses fluff.
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Actually I have no idea - I was just wondering if that would no longer make them "standout".
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Send him chocolates and "coupons" for free backrubs, etc. He'll call you back!
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I don't know if I can be arsed...
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Parkman's random decision to stop using his incredibly useful powers? Not so much.
I make no guarantee I'll be motivated to post about "Heroes" after tonight. -
Heroes
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And has been that way since season 2.
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...what could have been.
The actors are charismatic. The premise is great. The execution of set design, camera work, music and sound is all beautiul. They lost it in the scripts. Totally lost it in the scripts. Heroes is like an amazing spaghetti sauce that you burned on the stove. It's done. That's it. Forget it. Mourn it. Order pizza. Wait for tomorrow. We're having roast beef. -
It had more to do with creating the Sylar/Nathan hybrid. He pretty much stated as much to Mrs. Peterelli, but you know paying attention to what is being said on TV is not a hallmark of AINC's coverage.
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Seriously. This show has been plagued with non-sensical plotlines, ridiculous characters and horrible acting from the start. Season One started off terribly hokey, but ended up on a real high note, with the only logical progression of episodes to date (which played off of the Isaac paintaings, the "Save the Cheerleader" mantra and, best of all, future Hiro's hinting at a horrible apocolyptic future that must be avoided. They promptly reset the whole series about 50 times, with none of the characters making any sense from episode to episode. The death of this series is one of the true shames of modern TV, and illustrative of just how terrible NBC really is.
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Where all those assholes claimed Heroes was better than 24 and LOST?'LOL' as the kiddies might say.
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I can understand people hating the show (despite me still being a fan). But if one stopped watching it three years ago, why keep complaining about it today?
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Because damned if it ain't loooong overdue...
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Because this show had such potential when it started four years ago...then it crapped out three and a half years ago and has been slowly butt-raping its audience ever since
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because not all of us stopped watching...but each subsequent episode makes us wish we had just a little bit more while we cling to the constantly regurgitated falsehoods of "this season will be better"
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I can remember telling a friend don't know what it'll be like but they'll have problems after the first year, just because of the way they've set it up.
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I'll say it again-- the guy's an idiot to leave a series like "Heroes" so he can go make shows about the Home Shopping Network and animal shelters sans euthanasia. Honestly, who would give a crap about those premises if it weren't for Fuller's AICN-approved name attached to it?
Note to Fuller: Either learn to make a series that makes good on your sci-fi/mainstream sensibilities in earnest, and not in a chick-flick way that only Herc and the people who look for openminded network fare for GLAAD to give awards to will watch. Either that or go back to cable. Your brand of twee-dramedy doesn't work here, and furthermroe, most of the viewing public just doesn't want it. What do we want? Superheroes who don't suck. You could do that here, if you weren't trying so hard to get your cute on. -
Sep 28, 2009 11:00:55 AM CDT
Y'know what, Fuller? I know the perfect channel for you.
by starwarsredux
LIFETIME. I'm dead serious here. Pitch your HSN show, your animal-rescuers sitcom, they'll eat it up. The more pumped full of sacharine and estrogen, the better.
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yes because heroes will be canceled before fuller is looking for work again
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Sep 28, 2009 11:26:25 AM CDT
I hate the writers for fucking up such a great idea
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
"The actors are charismatic. The premise is great. The execution of set design, camera work, music and sound is all beautiul. They lost it in the scripts."So very fucking true. It seemed to me that they had lots of time before the first season began and mapped almost all of the episodes out quite nicely. Once they didn't have the luxury of that time anymore, everything suddenly seemed rushed to shit.
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Like I said, people dumping on Heroes I totally get (I'm not blind to its many flaws). I just can't understand some people turning off the show in 2007, but still coming here to complain about it in 2009.
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Lunch time!!!!!!
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In the summary of tonight's episode from the article above. Much too much going on.
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I finally got around to watching the premiere. I'm a glutton for punishment I guess, and I've been watching up till now so why not? Unlike Herc, I did not find Claire's stuff interesting. Her idiotic decision to jump out of her window to test the theory of whether her roommate jumped or was pushed to her death was some dumb shit. I'm guessing her annoyingly clingy and awkward new friend is involved in some way with the carnies, and they had either her or one of the other carnie folk make the roommate kill herself.
I think Samuel is a pretty cool guy, eh paints prophecy tattoos and doesn't afraid of anything.
Is knife fighting proficiency part of Ray Park's character's abilities? Because it sure seemed like Peter instantly got good enough to go 1 on 1 with him after he got his super speed. Whatever, I known not to ask questions like that about powers on Heroes. I did like that Peter was deciding to use his powers for being a HERO though. FUCKING FINALLY! A HERO ON A SHOW CALLED HEROES!!!! HRG is cool as always.
The scenes with SylerNathan and In-Head-Sylar for Matt are probably going to get annoying fast, didn't bother me too much in the premiere though. Lets see if they do anything unpredictable with this.
Oh damn, it's the Hatian out of nowhere! Where the hell was he during the entire "Fugitives" arc?
You just KNOW they're going to do a "6 weeks ago" episode to show us some history on the Carnies and post "Fugitives" epilogue.
Hiro and Ando comic relief bullshit still annoys the hell out of me. I wonder if Ando has ever, I dunno, thought about super charging Hiro while Hiro is having problems with his powers? Might be risky, but his friend freezes up and he doesn't even consider that as an option? Also, Hiro thinks that his problems started when he decided to be a Hero. WHAT? No, it was when Matt's baby half-assedly fixed your powers you moron! -
but that's all gone and forgotten now. Those of us who still watch do so out of habit,or perhaps inertia.
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I'm guessing the dude's jitter tastes like fucking beer and can also be used as a cheap, alternative fuel sorce, given the amount of fucking time you spend sucking his cock on this site. Yes, he's a great writer, but the unabashed hero worship (and there's no fucking pun to be intended there) of this chap has me wondering just what's going on. A great writer, but he hasn't had a show he's created/consistently run stay on the air for over two years yet. And he popped his cherry on "Star Trek: Voyager". I think it's time to wipe the stuff from the corner of your mouth, get back onto your feet, and realize there are much better things to be watching Monday night than "Heroes". Like drying paint or cars driving by.
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Wow. If that's true, that Fuller had much to do with Clair's college scenes, then I have no problem's saying goodbye to Brian Fuller. Those scenes were ham fisted and botheringly un-realistic (even for Heroes). Terrible, frankly, and only topped in lame-ness by Hiro's ever-present "Ya-Taa" Scene. Perhaps they were written on his last day on-staff, and he just didn't try? Because I loved Company Man, and thought Cold Snap was a bright spot in a other-wise crap season.
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Great episodes. Claire's scenes? Just... DUMB. The stupid linear algebra placement class. The stupid overachieving roommate. The overbearing try-hard awkward chick. But none of this stuff drug down the scenes worse than Claire herself. Is there a more boring and useless character on the show? The only time she's mildly entertaining is when she's putting herself back together after taking damage. Otherwise, FUCKING DULL.
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I only came in here to say that
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Sep 28, 2009 1:18:32 PM CDT
Why the hell isn't Fuller writing a "Captain Proton" TV series y
by tall_boy66
"If I could access holodeck controls, the first thing I'd do is delete this guy!" "DELETE! THIS! GUY!" Yes, "Company Man" on Heroes was awesome, but Fuller reached his peak with Voyager's "Bride of Chaotica". You know it to be true.
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Because those were some of the worst-written lines I have EVER seen on that show. Ever. See, it all made sense to me before, because Kring's name was on it, but if you're being serious... Jesus. You know college students don't talk ANYTHING like that, right? And that Claire's Tracy-Flick-like roomie was a completely preposterous character? Christ, I almost gagged on the belabored Guitar Hero and Facebook references alone. It's really hard to believe the guy behind "Company Man" and "Cold Snap" wrote that horseshit. Where did you hear that he did?
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WTF? No lezbo action? Was hoping for one.
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heroes is still on and Veronica Mars is NOT? Hayden PantyAir Must be awfully good at giving blowjobs to those studio boss pricks.
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Some shows need to be taken with a grain of salt. While I cannot forgive the gaping plotholes in heroes (Catlin etc), I do appreciate what they are doing this season. *SPOILERS BELOW SPOILERS BELOW*
*SPOILERS BELOW*
Hiro goes back in time and kills Sylar. Saving Charlies life, and re-writing ALL of Heroes history. This season will be picking up, I guarantee it. -
Some shows need to be taken with a grain of salt. While I cannot forgive the gaping plotholes in heroes (Catlin etc), I do appreciate what they are doing this season. *SPOILERS BELOW SPOILERS BELOW*
*SPOILERS BELOW*
Hiro goes back in time and kills Sylar. Saving Charlies life, and re-writing ALL of Heroes history. This season will be picking up, I guarantee it. -
Who the hell is Charlie? The Hobbit from Lost? If they could bring him back, that would rock.
Also, I think one of the best parts of the Heroes premier is the lack of Mohinder. Is he off the show?? -
Charlie from season 1 aka Wikipedia girl. The one that Hiro told to goto japan because she was going to die before his powers malfunctioned and sent him back to the present.
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Season 1 episode 10 Homecoming, re-watch. Hiro time jumps to this point and actually KILLS Sylar. Then jumps back to the future, and plans looks like this isn't temp.
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Although, I hope nrn's so-called "Spoiler Alert" turns out to be true, as long as Kringaling actually keeps the timeline altered and doesn't push the Magic Reset Button after all is said and done.
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Sourced from spoilerfix; they are hardly ever wrong about their Heroes spoilers (except when writers strike messed up their plans).
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You're absolutely right and i can't fault you there.However, we're probably never really going to get an X-Men live action tv show. Heroes was, indeed, a rip-off of X-Men (and Watchmen and various other sources). However, it was the first time that fans of superhero comics thought they might get a well-written live action show about people with superpowers.We were wrong and it sucks.
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Sep 28, 2009 2:42:18 PM CDT
nrn: If that's true, it's great news.
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
I wait with baited breath.
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Sep 28, 2009 2:43:30 PM CDT
How far in the season does that happen? (spoiler related)
by turketron_2
If those spoilers are true, I wonder how far many episodes we'll have to labor through to see that? I had read about the saving Charlie bit, but this killing Sylar thing would be interesting. I doubt it will keep for more than one or two episodes though, seeing as Samuel needs Sylar (he was one of the powered people that came up on the chick's back when he was doing his precog tattoo painting at the end, if I'm not mistaken).
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Let it die. Not sure a reboot (from before the last episode of season 1) could help.
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Thanks for the info... I remember that, and I like the way you think! I hope it happens (not that I dislike Sylar; he's the best part of the show). they do need, however, some raised stakes on this show. meaningful, permanent deaths. The only people that stay dead on Heroes are red-shorts, and they don't count.
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It happens between episodes 7-9 if I'm not mistaken, as none of the sides before then have Charlie's character here's what has been revealed to the public non-sides and dailies:
Sources tell us the original plan (which could, of course, be changed at any time) for Jayma Mays' return to Heroes was this: Hiro jumps back in time to the diner where Charlie works, and this time successfully kills Sylar. This jacks up the Heroes timeline (obviously), but the upside is that Hiro then is able to meet with alive-and-well Charlie at a bar in Japan. [...] .Source: Kristin on E!Online -
Interesting. I'm still guessing this will be a one-and-done though, if it happens at all. Sylar is too popular for them to kill off completely.
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They can do an alternate Season 2 killing Sylar at the end of Season 1, Nathan FINALLY DYING saving an exploding Peter, Nikki still alive (with a good reason for his husband's death), etc, etc...
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nice headline once again from aicn
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... that's a pretty ballsy move for "Heroes." But it still feels like the show is grasping at straws and is desperate for the attention it had in the first season. (Remember how popular "Heroes" was those days? Yeah, I don't, either.)
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This effect last way longer then one episode. It falls into the whole seasonal arc.
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Also BTW, forgot to mention, think of T-Bag as using hero. From the spoiler where he kills Sylar it looks as it will be from T-Bag's doing. One shouldn't be too surprised to have a real Gabriel Gray in this season as opposed to Sylar.
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Seems weird that he would off Sylar if he truly needs to "gather" him... and if he kills Sylar, Gabriel Gray dies too, right? Unless killing Sylar screws up the timeline way more than keeping him alive, and Hiro gets convinced that they need a non-killer Sylar, and Hiro reforms him somehow...
I hope they have to balls to follow through with some of that spoiler stuff, but I know not to get my hopes up too high with this show. -
As Hiro kills Sylar, it changes the whole course of history.
Theoretically one of the carnies could have Linderman's healing ability, or even Linderman himself could be alive.
or Plotline B: T-Bag then uses Hiro to change time further by Stopping Sylar from becoming Sylar while he's still Gabriel. For all we know that picture on the back was of Gabriel and not of Sylar.
The pictures were of I believe Peter, Sylar/Gabriel, and Claire. All of whom which would have been effected when Hiro Kills Past Sylar.(Peter went to Save Claire from Sylar)
To be honest there are countless possibilities. But I'm not sharing which is which till they pick one ;)
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Remember its called "Redemption" :)
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Isaac, Elle and Candice would be alive, but why Linderman?
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Enough with the "this show's still on?" crap. It's unoriginality grates. Come up with something yourself. Don't just repeat what others have said. That said, the show is pretty awful now.
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was AWESOME... definitely reminded me of season 1. Parkman is so fucked up atm it's not wonder that he is taking a break from his powers.
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till NBC cancels it and we get either: another hospital drama, even more Leno or another Christian Slater sitcom.
No thanks, I'll take badly written sci fi over that bullshit any day. -
I know this because he isn't an unbearable hack.
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He was running away screaming!
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HAS CERTAINLY GOTTEN BIGGER. I WONDER IF SHE LIKES TO INSERT THE PINKY INSIDE DURING SEX.
BEYOND CLAIRE'S POOPER, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE REDEEMING QUALITY WITH THIS HORRID FUCKING SHOW. -
whether hiro kills sylar or not, she still dies> and hiro has learned already that changing large events effs the entire time stream which is why last weeks epi makes no fucking sense if ando and hiro's sister are truly together, then ando doesnt travel all around the globe with hiro, and he doesnt have a thing for the internet stripper with the split personalities, etc...its more bs writing by the fucking hacks
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Maybe Ando DOESN'T have a thing for the internet stripper, but that doesn't mean he didn't have another reason to go, like just taking a road trip with his buddy. Or that, heaven forfend, a dude actually watched porn online while he had a girlfriend. But so far episode 3 is awesome.
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I take back what I said last week about the new season. So far it's going in a good direction. The scenes with the deaf woman are just amazing.....Did Bryan write tonight's episode? Im thinking he did....but I missed the begginning credits.
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was genuinely moving. This show needs more smaller, human moments to put the world ending A plot in perspective.
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the deaf chick bit was good. 3 hours in and the season is not sucking? wow
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not a single arc in that episode felt like a burden. They left every character with me eager for them to cut back to them, and I was glad to see each characters storyline resume when they picked them up again. A+ all the way through. My only criticism? I woulda loved to see Bennet bust out some patented HRG badassness on Gretchen and her veiled comments.
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Whodathunk? Tonight's ep was pretty good.
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Sep 28, 2009 8:11:49 PM CDT
Can't wait to see what Sylar does w/deaf chick's power!
by useridgoeshere
Given the track record of this show with women and minorities, she'll probably be dead in a couple more episodes. Actually, it's been a pretty good season so far. Samuel's terrakinesis is a lot more powerful than I thought.
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I never saw this dude before but he just steals every scene he's in, I cant wait to see him with Sylar. Another solid episode for Heroes, suck on that haters.
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God I can't wait for the reboot ep coming up.......
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That probably isn't saying much for the haters here. Sure, it's only 3 eps in but Scum had it right. I felt like all characters were interesting and pretty much intelligent.I also have to say I appreciate the writers finally recognizing who the best characters (and actors) actually are. That means no more Mohinder and very little Nathan. Lots more Parkman. Much more unbridled Sylar. Quinto knows he's pretty cool and finally is starting to allow his character to act that way.Well done Heroes, well done.
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I felt it was meh -- I agree with some of your statements but compared to the series best episode, I give that a 3. They need to move along a little faster with the plot...
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Maybe.
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Like clockwork.
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Sep 28, 2009 8:59:56 PM CDT
Spoiler alert people :It hasn't been shown on the west coast yet
by mr_satan
Fuck I can't even watch it tonight because I have to work. Damn night shift DAMN IT TO HELL.
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It felt like the point was to just show someone with abilities that wasn't neccesarily superhuman. Just creating something beautiful, unlocked potential. Kinda like issue 45 of the New Mutants.
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Thanks for reminding me he's on teh left coast, Mr_Satan. :)
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Sep 28, 2009 9:22:58 PM CDT
That was a cool episode. And without Fuller writing it, too.
by starwarsredux
There's hope for this show, yet.
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and if fuller didnt write it, he had some input...especially with the hearing impaired doctor bit oh, and its online for streaming
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The Claire/Gretchen thing is probably the most boring thing going. Peter being a hero and paying the price: good. Samuel and his mysterious agenda: good. Matt/Sylar, well the Sylar mockery: good. Claire making the obviously ill-fated decision to trust the person she shouldn't trust (previews aren't helping there): bad.
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she can see sound...which is why she was able to play the cello and knepper is a brilliant actor and while i still cant deal with parkman, it was smart hooking him into sylar, cuz quinto is fun to watch
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It's been that long and we're still stuck on how she can't figure out how to have a normal life. Jesus, quit with the whining already.
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Agreed, it feels like we've seen this before. I keep hoping they bring back that Thomas Dekker dude. Heck, bring in the whole Connor family. I bet they could even keep the same plots from Terminator.
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So he's a creative guy, but he's no messiah. This show will be fine without him.
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The Sylar mindfuck was great. Parkman knows he is fucked.
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Sep 29, 2009 1:12:07 AM CDT
Fuck Bryan fuller, Josh whendon, j.j. Abrams and Kevin smith
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
Don't care who's name I spelled wrong, I'm sick of hearing about these fucking guys all the fuckin time on this site. It's worse than espns fucking Brett favre coverage. Jesus fuckin tap dancing burger flipping christ.
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I just really, intensly dislike the character.
Plus Greg Grunberg is a bit of a dick and kept posting spoilers on twitter last series, depsite lots of people complaining as UK was behind.
Glad if Mohinder is gone, he's really shit.
Claire is just eye candy (no talent)
As always, HRG & Spock are the coolest things in this show.
We can now add the awesome Robert Knepper to that list, he's brilliant.
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!: There is no logical evolution or continuity of the charactes. A good example is Hiro nakmura. Why has he not become the sword master from season 1? Why is he still the office buffoon? see? no evolution of character.
2: Where is Copycat?! whats the point in investing in introducing a character that exemplifies the idea and concept behind the use and wearing of costumes on the field if they just write her out with absolutely no explannation whatsoever.
3: The continued rip off of X Men motifs and plots hiding behind soap opera writing that would embarass Sunset Beach script writers high on drugs.
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Sep 29, 2009 4:25:03 AM CDT
I think they might be setting up the "Hiro Badass" angle.
by dailysportspages
His brain tumor might be the ticket.
He undergoes experimental surgery... but the drawback is that it changes his personality completely.
Instead of the shy buffoon he becomes the badass who not only knows he has a higher purpose... but knows that he needs to grow the fuck up in order to fulfill it.
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Sep 29, 2009 5:06:35 AM CDT
STARGATE is definitly better than this donkey hero shit
by dioxholsterreturns
this show gives a bad name to actual superheros.
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They had him grab his side in pain when he met Claire. Only happened once, but as it wasn't necessary to the scene, I'm assuming it was put there deliberately.
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That was an uneventful hour of tv. Peter's co-workers turned on him on a drop of a dime and the contrivances of how he met both Earthmover and Itunes Visualizer girl made my head spin. The writing just wasn't there. No one else groaned when we got "I love you Claire Bear #23?" The Carnie was cool, clearly we're in Magento country with him. I was digging the Parkman stuff, but his turn to the darkside has been a slog so far. There was far too much talking and talking about talking tonight. Something happening even on the periphery would go a long way towards building excitement for the rest of the season.
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That would be Magneto's fashionable twin brother. I should also take this moment to say that I did like the way Earthmover put himself in the picture at Peter's apartment and wrecked the mansion of rich people.
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Did you already forget he was attacked by Ray Park a 2nd time after the bank, who stole the compass? It's a knife wound that's a lil' tender.
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...help you be able to play the cello like a virtuoso? Did the sound tell her where to put he fingers, the notes of the song which she never heard before? Another "ability" that doesn't make sense, another idiotic new character.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there aren't, in fact, any actual superheroes. At least not where i live.
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But sounds like it was good aside from Claire's shitty college scenes.
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Sep 29, 2009 8:38:56 AM CDT
So when does Claire find out her new roomie killed her old one?
by spyguy
I mean, that's obviously where this is going, right? Gretchen wanted to be with Claire so she killed the old one, made it look like a suicide and then talked her way into becoming Claire's new roommate. All I know is, I wish Claire would deliberately jump out a window just as her powers fizzled out.
And could someone please explain to me how Irish Carny can manipulate ink with earth powers? Last time I checked, ink was a chemical formula, not dirt.
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Yep, apparently I had forgotten that. Not a good sign for how much impact that scene made on me.Thanks for the reminder.
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The lowest-rated non-CW series, worse than Leno's 3.7/5.
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I would buy that the scene didn't have much of an impact on you if it was just one quick scene and nothing else......but the last episode ended with HRG in the hospital bed nursing his wounds. It's not the show's fault that you weren't paying attention.
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It doesn't make any sense to me that Sylar would be in Parkman's head, so those scenes grate on me. However turning Parkman dark is where this show should have gone from the beginning. His power is by far the most corrupting and arguably, the most powerful. At this point in the show, Sylar should be his lackey.
Claire is a retard. She's the one hero on the show who most needs to keep her power a secret. Because it's the only power that anybody can take from her. Someone would be milking her by now if she was using her real name, out in the open. That's why it was such a mistake to allow her blood to heal others. -
reading some of these comments it amazes me how desperate some people are to criticize. There's not a single 'plot hole' that isn't easily and logically plugged by someone who's actually watched the show and isn't intent on being obtuse. It doesn't even require no-prize level creativity.
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Sep 29, 2009 10:39:17 AM CDT
Pennsy conveniently developed a hate boner for this show...
by burgundy82
the same day Sylar gave his pwecious widdle Kwisten Bell a dirt nap. So petty.
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I'm not blaming the writers for doing something wrong. I'm just saying something about that whole HRG sub-plot just went into my selective amnesia folder for reasons unknown.I remembered everything else from the episode, but had to struggle to remember the hospital scene you mentioned.
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Sep 29, 2009 11:53:26 AM CDT
Jeebus, don't EVEN get me started on that writing fuck-up, Burgu
by pennsydeux
Understand, I knew her gig in season 3 was finite. It was the way she was written out that had me and her legion of fans pissed off.
Thing is, dude had her power without killing her; so when the moment came, he killed her to take her power. It was a lazy, half-assed, chickenshit way for the writers to end her time on the show. If they were hellbent on killing Elle off, she should've died at *HRG*'s hand. Not Sylar's.
And it wasn't just me; almost 300,000 viewers bailed on the episode after Elle died, and those viewers never came back. That was one of the catalysts for the second half of season 3 setting ratings benchmarks no show would be proud of.
Well, the Karma Gods took note and smited Heroes with interest. You don't just ditch your MVP of season 2 and co-MVP of season 3 (with Cristine Rose - Mama P) like that. It turned out OK; Kristen's got a movie career that's at warp speed; Couples' Retreat week after next, Astro Boy, Serious Moonlight in December (to qualify for Oscar consideration?) and When in Rome next January. She ended up on her feet. Heroes is on the verge of going out, as in feet-first. -
he just killed her. he just enjoys cutting through the skull.
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i thought you were implying the writers or the show was to blame for you not catching his injury. sometimes things slip.I couldn't remember if Peter knows that Nathan is Sylar. Is it just Parkman and Angela? I don't recall
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Sep 29, 2009 12:31:35 PM CDT
maltheus - "It doesn't make any sense to me that Sylar would be
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"It doesn't make any sense to me that Sylar would be in Parkman's head" - Maltheusright.....and Parkman having an ability to read minds and pull thoughts out and control people makes so much sense.
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According to Knepper in an interview, Samuel can control earth and minerals, and the ink is mineral-based.
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No problem. I'm not always the clearest communicator. As for your question, the ones who know about Sylar are Matt, Angela, and HRG. Peter's out of the loop.
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Obviously I meant within the context of the show. Parkman has used his power plenty without conjuring any Harvey's. But since Sylar is now being played by Pastor, they have to contrive this stupid storyline to honor their contractual obligations with Quinto. It's just lazy and eye-roll inducing. Sylar has been a useless character since S1. They should have just killed him off back then. Remember when he was an apron wearing Petrilli. Yeah, I barely do either.
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I really really really want to see Hiro Save Charlie :(
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"Obviously I meant within the context of the show. Parkman has used his power plenty without conjuring any Harvey's." - maltheus
Correct.....but if you remember - Parkman has never taken a person and switched them into another body while removing tons of memories and other things. We've never seen Parkman do that so why is it so weird to believe that when he took the memories/essence of Sylar out - he accidentally retained them in his mind? -
Parkman didn't put Sylar into another body, Sylar is a shape changer now,(along with a billion other powers he never uses) so all he did was induce false memories, so why would Sylar be in his head? Chalk that up with the continuous plot holes and mistakes that the writes make. It seems to me that they're under too much pressure and keep forgetting what happened in the previous episodes.
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it makes me laugh.
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...that wouldn't make him a functional personality capable of controlling Parkman. But whatever, I agree, it's hardly a stretch for the show. I just don't like it and it cheapens what might be a good plot line. Parkman's power is itself corrupting. They don't need Sylar to be the cause of all the evil in this universe. Let Parkman become that future agent from S1. Let him become his father.
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I don't really perceive the head Sylar as being remnants of true Sylar, but more like the manifestation of Parkmans own dark side brought to the fore by the immorality of his actions in manipulating the real Sylars mind. So why does it look like Sylar? Symbolism.
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and quick...lesbians equal ratings...and everyone wants to watch the former child stars make out like bandits
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Haven't watched anything this season but I'm assuming they haven't explained why they didn't just revive Nathan Petrelli with Clarie's blood instead of burning him on a funeral pyre. And don't tell me they didn't know she could do that. It's been done, Claire has seen the evidence herself. Piss-poor storytelling and that's too bad because Robert Knepper being cast almost tricked me into coming back.
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Sylar's head to make him think he is Nathan, a part of Sylar's psyche got stuck in Matt's head. Kind of like with Rogue & Ms. Marvel - two personalities co-existing in one mind. Although in the case of Parkman/Sylar, it's seems like a split personality where the minor personality manifests itself in the form of a hallucination.
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What happened to the the girl Matt and Mohinder was taking care of? What happened to Micha's cousin? How come he was just running around the U.S. with out supervision of the one person intrusted to take care of him? Why is it the world forgot about all the special people that were being rounded up by the government? Why didn't anyone ask where Claire Bennett has been since the house explosion? If Hiro changed how Ando and his sister get along, would he have never met the Peter and the rest of the super crew? Yes I know Ando could still have been looking up porn on the net but I doubt he would have been that serious to go to Vegas in his UCH Versa. See there are plot holes and I watch the show. By the by if Hiro changed that one event he would have changed the rest of the interactions he has had with everyone he had encountered. Some people would be alive who are dead and some who are alive would be dead.
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In the first episode of season 3 Mohinder tells Maya that he sent Molly to India to live with his mother. Micahs cousin was only a tangential character and the show is under no obligation to follow her storyline, just because she isn't being shown doesn't mean she ceased to exist. If your third question is in regards to Micah, he has access to limited funds and whatever else he can obtain electronically - he can go and do what he wants. Never heard of a runaway? The world didn't know about the special people being rounded up by the American government, it was a clandestine operation, anymore than they know the full extent of who was held prisoner in Gitmo which is considerably more public an affair. Which house explosion are you referring to? When Ted Sprague blew up the Bennet house in season one? The Haitian wiped the memories of the witnesses present, and HRG is accustomed to cover ups. Besides which, the family changed their identities and releacted shortly thereafter so who's supposed to be asking? The conceits of time travel in science fiction have been explored in depths in numerous franchises and storys in various media, I shouldn't have to go into it here. And all they said was Ando and Hiros sister fell in love at the fair - they didn't say they were commited or in a relationship all those years. And you can only assume changing that one event would change everything else if you assume a time line is as fragile as the Butterfly Effect (either short story or movie) would suggest. It could very well as be as rugged and self-adjusting as the Terminator approach requires. And Claires blood had already been used on Nathan and it's been said the blood is a one shot deal.
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plot holes
"Haven't watched anything this season but I'm assuming they haven't explained why they didn't just revive Nathan Petrelli with Clarie's blood instead of burning him on a funeral pyre. And don't tell me they didn't know she could do that. It's been done, Claire has seen the evidence herself. Piss-poor storytelling and that's too bad because Robert Knepper being cast almost tricked me into coming back." -drewlicious
- First off, Claire doesn't know Nathan died so how could she go give her blood. Other possible reasons are that they needed a way to get rid of Sylar so they chose the plan of making Sylar into Nathan over saving the real Nathan. Finally, the didn't revive Nathan because they already did it once with the super-healing blood. I think that has something to do with it as well but I can't confirm it.
"What happened to the the girl Matt and Mohinder was taking care of?" - Mr_Satan
- Molly? Well Mohinder mentioned in an episode that he sent her to India to stay with his mother in order to keep her safe. Silly explanation but it's not a plot-hole.
"What happened to Micha's cousin?" Mr_Satan
- She was last seen on the show being saved by Niki at the end of the second season. Apparently they filmed scenes with her for the third season but they were cut for whatever reason. Also, she appeared in the graphic novels alongside Micah, West (Claire's flying boy), and others as part of "The Rebellion". Their storyline went on while Heroes did, but we just didn't see it on T.V.
"How come he was just running around the U.S. with out supervision of the one person intrusted to take care of him?" -Mr_Satan
- Who was the person? His mom and dead are dead. His nana, cousin Monica, and boy-cousin Damon were kidnapped by Danko and his men (again revealed in online Graphic Novels). His aunt Tracey was also kidnapped by Danko after the two were reunited. So who was supposed to be watching him? It has been shown that he's got a super-high IQ and with other heroes on his "Rebel" team he had support.
"Why is it the world forgot about all the special people that were being rounded up by the government?" -Mr_Satan
- Just because we don't see it on the show doesn't mean other people forgot. Also, who really knew? It wasn't on the news. Building 26 was an undercover operation. Even when Peter leaked the surveillance footage of the people with abilities the news reporter says "tonight sources have provided our news bureau some startling footage taken directly from an unnamed government agency right here in Washington. Now, this video shows American citizens in hoods and restraints in what appears to be a clear violation of their constitutional rights. Is the government running a secret military organization with the authority to disregard civil liberty?". So why do you think the whole world knew about the special people? Perhaps I am not remembering something so if that's the case please tell me.
"Why didn't anyone ask where Claire Bennett has been since the house explosion?-Mr_Satan
- Why didn't who ask? If you mean her friends: How do you know they didn't ask? If you mean the Company: They though the Hatian double-crossed Noah and took her.
"If Hiro changed how Ando and his sister get along, would he have never met the Peter and the rest of the super crew?" -Mr_Satan
- Sure he would have. He only changed how his sister feels about Ando. I doubt most of the other characters were affected.
"Yes I know Ando could still have been looking up porn on the net but I doubt he would have been that serious to go to Vegas in his UCH Versa."-Mr_Satan
-They were following along with what the 9th wonder Comic had them do. They did whatever "Hiro" and "Ando" in the comic did. Also, Ando made it clear that he wanted to use Hiro's power to cheat at gambling. So even if he wasn't looking up porn in the new timeline they had two logical reasons to go to Vegas.
"By the by if Hiro changed that one event he would have changed the rest of the interactions he has had with everyone he had encountered. Some people would be alive who are dead and some who are alive would be dead."
-Why would some be alive and some be dead? Again, he only affected the way his sister views Ando. All the other characters weren't changed.
"See there are plot holes and I watch the show."-Mr_Satan
- You're right. There are some plot holes. You didn't really name many.
You guys call the writer's lazy? It's the people who ask questions of the show that could easily be answered with a few key strokes on Google search. Of course, that's if you missed the answers the first time when they were on screen and only choose to call it a plot hole.Look, I watch the show and I consider it decent at best. It's been repetitive at times and there certainly are some plot holes (but then, how many shows have zero plot-holes?). I'm really enjoying the new season so far, though. The thing that gets me, is that most of the bitching and moaning on these talkbacks is really just a bunch of haters who don't even try to find the answers to these "Plot-holes" they point out. They just think something doesn't make sense and claim the writers or producers fucked up. It seems like if the show isn't exactly what they expect or want to happen.....they start to hate it.
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Still waiting for my season 3 set that I won to show up at my door.
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