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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the first official released trailer for the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET remake. In it you get a lot of scenes you've seen before as well as your first decent look at the new Freddy make-up. And Jackie Earle Haley's Freddy voice.
Take a look and I'll be below with my thoughts.
The flick looks sharp, right? Stylistically, I'm very happy, however I still find myself wishing they'd just reboot the material and not have Nancy, Tina and all the rest. Every time I see something new I think "That's pretty cool... yeah, Kruger running from the parents... ohh, creepy kids with slash marks on their clothes..." and then I see the iconography from the first film and it takes me right out of the moment. Hey! There's where Tina dies! Hey, there's the glove in the bathtub moment! You know what I mean.
Honestly, it just makes me wish somebody had taken Robert Englund and made a real deal original Freddy movie in that tone with that level of production value. And Haley looks fine in the part... I don't know, I guess I'm just saying that I'm mixed. As a die hard Nightmare on Elm Street fan I love a lot in the trailer, but I'm hoping there's enough added to the movie to take it the next level. As retarded fun as the FRIDAY reboot was, Freddy's a bit more cerebral which makes him far scarier. Especially if the tone is right that character and that universe can really get under my skin. There's more potential with this series.
What do you folks think?
-Quint
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Kovacs gets burned!
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fresh meat
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hearing someone else's voice as freddy. im not a die hard, and im sure Jackie Earle Haley will be fine.. it's just weird.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:00:21 AM CDT
This looks like it adds absolutely nothing new to the story
by mynamesdan
what's the improvement?
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a horror film set behind the scenes of the reboot of the franchise could have been very entertaining. and allow for multiple Freddie actors.
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Weird.....
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I wouldn't care that much. But Haley's is one of my favorite current screen actors. I hope the film works.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:15:37 AM CDT
looks like a modern version of the first movie
by talkbacker with no name
i'm cool with that
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Sep 28, 2009 4:16:04 AM CDT
LOOKS LIKE SHIT AND I DON’T LIKE FREDDY’S NEW LOOK…..
by carlthormark1978
Pretty much what I was expecting, given that Michael Bay is producing, and I was NOT impressed with either his Chainsaw Massacre or Friday the 13th redux's. It has that shitty MTV veneer and, from what I can see, the make-up on Freddy sucks. He looks too much like a burn victim who’s scars have healed over a ten year period. I was hoping for something more horrific like the way Two-Face looked in The Dark Knight. I'll be downloading this.
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spoken like a true fan of cinema. yeah you download it, you goof.
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to clean and stylish. It does not look scary at all.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:36:53 AM CDT
Talkbacker with no name, UP YOURS, I'M A LIFELONG ANOES FAN AND.
by carlthormark1978
While I have nothing against GOOD remakes (like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing and The Fly) this just looks like another unimaginative rehash produced by Bay’s trash factory, written by morons, Directed by a hack and starring a bunch of zero charisma non-entity teenage douchebags just like the Friday and Chainsaw remakes. I love Robert Englund but the way he plays Freedy as a clown has gotten really fucking old and I think Jackie Earl Haley was a great choice. But couldn’t they have done SOMETHING original with the character and concept rather then what looks like an almost direct remakes of the first movie? So, yeah, this fan of cinema will be downloading this because I’m not going to contribute one fucking penny to yet another uninspired piece of shit remake when the time, money and effort wasted on this garbage could have been used to create something original.
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Part 1 was truly scary.
Part 2 was odd.
Part 3 and Part 4 were cool.
By Part 5 I had lifesize posters of Krueger on my wall.
Part 6 had Alice Cooper in it.
New was clever.
FvJ was all kinds of geekasm.
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The usual slick 'lighting' set-ups alone removed any sense of scariness in that for me. Would have preferred things to have looked more grungy overall.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:43:36 AM CDT
ANOES PART 2 IS THE MOST HOMOEROTIC HORROR FILM EVER MADE....
by carlthormark1978
The movie actually has a threatening atmosphere butt it's fucking hilarious just how gay it is.
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He sounds like Saul Tigh.
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Yeah, the first movie is 25 years old but it’s not like it was some cheesy flick from the 60’s or 70’s with shitty make-up or effects. There really is NO justification for this remake. You might as well just fucking re-release the original movie in theatres.
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What the hell is that?
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Just on a conceptual level they make weak Scream rip off horror films for today's pussy kids. Quint is right, why not just make it with all new characters and kills? Fucking Bay.
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Maybe when we see his eyes it'll come together, but so far that's less scary than Englund. By far.
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Are they making him an innocent sympathetic character? That would be an interesting take on it, and justify his desire for vengeance on the parents' children.
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Instead of Freddy just slicing people up, what I wanted was a movie where Kruger played on the fears and anxieties of the teens, driving them to suicide or killing each other. I said this in another talkback but imagine if Freddy engineered a Columbine style massacre by tormenting a student with dreams about his inadequacies while the lack of peaceful sleep contributes to his unbalanced psychological state. The jocks are abusive, aggressive assholes because Freddy plants homoerotic dreams in the minds which drives them towards trying to reassert their masculinity through beating up outcasts like the one in question who goes on a killing rampage. He makes all the pretty girls think their fat and ugly which pushes some of them towards anorexia and bulimia while creating incestuous scenarios between them and their fathers/brothers which makes some of them crack up. There’s just so many possibilities with the concept and it FUCKING PISSES ME RIGHT THE FUCK OFF that they’d rather just rehash the exact same story that was done perfectly well the first time.
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Instead of Freddy just slicing people up, what I wanted was a movie where Kruger played on the fears and anxieties of the teens, driving them to suicide or killing each other. I said this in another talkback but imagine if Freddy engineered a Columbine style massacre by tormenting a student with dreams about his inadequacies while the lack of peaceful sleep contributes to his unbalanced psychological state. The jocks are abusive, aggressive assholes because Freddy plants homoerotic dreams in the minds which drives them towards trying to reassert their masculinity through beating up outcasts like the one in question who goes on a killing rampage. He makes all the pretty girls think their fat and ugly which pushes some of them towards anorexia and bulimia while creating incestuous scenarios between them and their fathers/brothers which makes some of them crack up. There’s just so many possibilities with the concept and it FUCKING PISSES ME RIGHT THE FUCK OFF that they’d rather just rehash the exact same story that was done perfectly well the first time.
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...wishing they would do something new would be the first ones to complain that "Freddy wouldn't do this" or "Freddy wouldn't do that". The truth is that you will hate this movie no matter what they do with it. And as for CarlThorMark1978, if you are convinced this is going to be a complete piece of shit then don't even bother to download it. Just don't see it at all.
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It's meant to be gay! That's the whole point of the movie. Coming out! In regards to this new one, you haven't even seen it yet. How about you pay your money as an elm street fan and give it a try? Man, don't know why i'm even entering into a debate with you over this. I must be as dumb as you are.
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I don't think that will be the case. He is just claiming to be to not be burnt alive.
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I do like that idea you mentioned about him being innocent and pissed at the town.
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Sep 28, 2009 5:28:46 AM CDT
Saying you should "Pay your money as an elm street fan"
by industrykiller!
is ridiculous. And Im not saying you shouldnt, although I might be if Jackie Earle haley didnt deserve some support, but if youa re a real fan of the original and think they are bastardizing it then you should NOT pay your money. WITHHOLD it as an elm street fan. We've all seen enough Platinum Dunes films to be pretty sure of exactly how this movie is going to play out, so saying you havent seen it yet is a totally bullshit argument, there is nothing here we havent seen before. The whole thing is gonna be strictly by the numbers. It doesnt look like an inarguable bastardization of the source material like say Transformers or Wolverine that NEEDS to be boycott for the good of film, but it will be a relatively bloodless overly slick modern horror film with unmemorable characters. So decide for yourself, but dont see it because a fan should, make your own decision.
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The trailer started off nicely with the reveal of the familiar Freddie costume but quickly dovetailed into looking like every other generic, boring teen slasher/horror that we've seen recently.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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It's just that. A trailer edited to sell the movie. it's a collection of moments. There is not enough to really say if this is a direct remake or not. Has anyone read the script?
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What's with these young actors today? Might be because the first movies was so new and scary, but this doesn't look scary at all.
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Sep 28, 2009 5:33:09 AM CDT
Talkbacker with no name, "GIVE IT A TRY"?!? FUCK YOU!!!.....
by carlthormark1978
Morons like you have made Michael Bay a very rich man by paying to see his shit. There is literally NO REASON why I would want to waste money on this fucking trash. You are a perfect example of the mindless consumer mentality that is bringing the USA to its knees. You don’t give a fuck about creativity or innovation and just lap up the same repackaged, rebranded shit like the retarded fuckstick that you are. In what way does ANYONE expect this to be better then the original apart from using the latest make-up and CGI effects? Just what is the fucking point apart from separating braindead teens from their money?
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Sep 28, 2009 5:36:59 AM CDT
The ONLY time a remake is justified is...
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
..when it brings something new to the table; and does something fresh and exciting with the original material.People have already brought up "The Fly" and "The Thing" here and those are great examples.This looks like a retread over the same old movie most of us have watched within the last 25 years only this time it's helmed by a director who's doing it for the paycheck instead of looking to create something original.If kids these days can't be fucked to get off their fat asses and watch the original, i say they deserve this shit. Let them pay their dollars to see some recooked shit with shiny new CGI that probably looks worse than the original physical effects.The only thing this movie seems to have gotten right is the casting of its new Freddy but that's not going to be enough to save it.I really can't believe I live in an era where Hollywood has literally run out of ideas. It's depressing as fuck.
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And some of those moments are directly ripped off from the first movie i.e. the glove in the bathtub, the girl floating above the bed. They even had what looks like a pool party, ala Part 2, which suggests that they did exactly what was done with the Friday the 13th remake and just lift plot points from the original movie and the various sequels. The only way this could be any worse is if Orci and Kurtzman were “scripting” this.
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I'm not one of those joyless fucks who hates on a remake for the hell of it - I saw the remade TCM before I saw the original, and Jessica Biel's boobies went a long way to my enjoyment of that flick - but come ON! Doesn't ANYONE want these movies to be any good?
FRIDAY THE 13TH was "meh" because there was no point to making a remake. What were they gonna do, redesign a fucking hockey mask?? JASON X was a great movie (hey, Cronenberg's in it, and all you deniers fucking watched it AND enjoyed it, so whatever) and maybe THAT'S the way it should have gone - carry on with some low-budget, shot-on-the-ANDROMEDA-stages sequels that were much more fun than the joyless remake. Hell, Cyborg Jason looked COOLER than original Jason.
The less said about the Tom Welling THE FOG, the better. Rufus Wainwright, one day...
My point is: I don't want to hate this for the sake of it. Katie Cassidy is a decent actress (made a great Ruby in SUPERNATURAL) so she'll sell Tina's death well enough - that looks to be a stand-out scene. I liked the bathtub scene in the original, it looks perfectly recreated here. The house looks great. The Freddy rhyme, complete with creepy little girls singing it, is here. All present and correct. The glove looks AWESOME...
Buuuuuut...
WHY do so many direct scene-to-scene copies of the original? What's the point? Maybe Bay should have saved all the money he's paying Bayer and just hired Gus Van Sant, who did such a great job on shot-for-shot remakes with PSYCHO. You'd have had one extra shot in ANOES of Vince Vaughn wanking, but hey. So what.
WHY have Nancy be some fucking emo teenybopper who, for whatever reason, does NOT leap off the screen when she appears? I've read the (shitty) script, and from what I see, Nancy is pretty much sidelined for the movie. Which, for the lead character, is fucking mystifying. Say what you want about Heather Langenkamp, but she had a girl-next-door easygoing sexiness that worked for her role - which new Nancy doesn't (yet) appear to have. I also got the impression that Krueger in the original stood for all the fears of the teens he went after - and in Nancy's case, as a goody-two-shoes girl next door, one of those fears is sex. You got the impression that Glen and Nancy hadn't gone there yet, and Krueger represented (amongst other fears) the fear of the unknown, of what would happen when Nancy (and Glen) were to go from teenhood to adulthood (re: have sex). So, empowered Nncy at the end of original ANOES is now an ADULT - able to stand on her own, unafraid any more. She's grown up.
That subtext is going to be lost on a goth emo chick who already LOOKS like she's the kind of girl who loses her virginity at 14, and for whom meeting a dream demon would be kinda cool right up to the moment he kills her.
New Nancy is wrong, in all the wrong ways. As a preppy chick, she would have been perfect. Or maybe teens in the West nowadays are so fucked up, Krueger isn't as potent a symbol for all the other fears he used to represent, and now he's just a wisecracking Voorhees rip-off who uses a glove knife instead of a machete, in a film where the only fear is of evisceration and disembowelment, with no fucking subtext whatsoever.
Or, to cut a long story short (TOO LATE!) - It's a dumbass MTV remake, that did some shot-for-shot remake scenes to keep the original ANOES fans happy (pretty fucking unlikely there, Sam) and that has no fucking clue what Wes Craven was getting at when he made the original. Craven's movie had people as characters - Bayer's has pretty, vacant, charisma-free plastic-faced freaks that die prettily in clouds of CGI boredom.
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Rorscach, he's coming for you...
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I think you missed that "..an elm street fan and give it a try?" is a question. Not a statement. So I agree with you and my decision is to pay and see it and see what it really is. All these assumptions which people are claiming as fact and unwilling to be open about until they have seen it is what is really ridiculous. I hope and want the movie to be good, but I refuse to damn it based on a couple of minutes of shots. Hey It might be a real piece of shit. I don't know and neither do you or Carl yet. That's my point you attacked.
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Sep 28, 2009 5:47:05 AM CDT
"Don't fall asleep!....We paid money to watch this!"
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
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Designed specifically to get horny, dumb jocks to get their uptight girlfriends into a cinema long enough to get them to lkeap into their 'roided-out arms with fear, this remake will add NOTHING to the Elm St franchise, will be NOWHERE NEAR as intelligent and subtextually layered as the original (Wes Craven was a psychology professor who taught at universities - I'm guessing Samuel Bayer ain't), and will go the way of the other Platinum Shite remakes - which is to say, a strong opening weekend, no legs whatsoever, and a quick march to the bargain bins. And no sequels, BECAUSE IT'S SHIT.
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The Fog remake was directed by RUPERT Wainwright, not Rufus. Big difference. Rufus has talent. His whole family, matter of fact. No relation to Rupert. Okay, back to the lurking...
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Sep 28, 2009 5:51:51 AM CDT
CarlThorMark1978. you post about morons like me
by talkbacker with no name
falls to shit with the first line - "Morons like you have made Michael Bay a very rich man by paying to see his shit.". I don't and haven't. There you go again just assuming things about someone or something you know nothing about. Jesus! you didn't even get the being a young homosexual context of the second movie!
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I've read the script (it won't have changed THAT much, and all the stuff in the trailer is in the script word-for-word) and I've seen the trailer. It's as close as you can get to watching the movie without watching the movie, and I'll tell you right now - this movie WILL SUCK. The remade original scenes are the only good bits in it, the whole is he/isn't he guilty thing is COMPLETELY predictable, and it just goes fucking ridiculous when you get to this part:
NIGHTMARE MAP.
It's gonna suck. Trust me. -
I'm raving about a talented musician who did an awesome cover of HALLELUJAH on the SHREK soundtrack, NOT the hack who made THE FOG remake. You're right - cheers for pointing that out!
Rufus - free pass. That cover was amazing.
Rupert - I'm coming for ya... -
Sep 28, 2009 5:57:58 AM CDT
"the whole is he/isn't he guilty thing is COMPLETELY predictable
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Let me guess.He is!
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appreciate you responding about the script. Hope you are wrong about it sucking though.
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**SPOILERS**
He is! Oh no, he isn't! AHA! He lied! HE IS!!!
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In that case we totally agree. While I dont think this will be a bastardization of the original it is sorta depressing that they just rehashed things right down to the kills. I mean what is the point of rehashing a kill? Isnt the purpose of a horror kill to be a surprise? And I disagree with earlier statemetns that it needs to get thematically conceptual in its execution but I would have liked new characters and new kills.
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It's a good point well made. I guess we are forgetting the fact this is a modern remake to cash in on the Nightmare name. What we want doesn't really come into play. So that said, will it be good for what it is? Because seems wasted breath to judge it for what it's not. If it's the same with good performances, I'd be cool with it. It's going to live or die as a franchise based on Jackie Earle Haley's performance mainly.
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What is the frickin' point in re-cylcing exactly the same imagery from the original? When I saw the glove in the bath tub I groaned; and then you see Tina on the ceiling...wtf? We've already seen this stuff before and DON'T need to go there again MR HOLLYWOOD! Sure, give me a NEW Freddy picture but make it original for f**k's sake or just don't bother. In fact, don't bother. Oh, and the voice of Freddy is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
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There are a lot of people who haven't seen the original and this is for them, not fans of the original, so keep quiet about the 'this is where this happens, this is where that happens'. I'm a big fan of Haley and think he'll out-do the original portrayal of this character. It's a story you obviously care about so just be happy that more people are going to be introduced to it!
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i hope that isn't his final voice. maybe i'm just used to the effects driven version of Englund's Freddy voice but yeah....he sounded too normal. lol but otherwise it looks pretty cool. Englund IS Freddy but i'll definately check this out in theaters. i'm too big an Elm St. fan not to.
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He sounded like Saul Tigh was dead on. That's a frakkin hilarious image.
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Englund could have pulled off a serious, scarier Freddy. I have no need to see the original re-done with modern effects and a new Freddy I have no attachment to.
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Not taking into account my opinions of Freddy or any other Nightmare films, I find the trailer very dull. Nothing exciting or interesting in it.
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The "realistic" makeup is terrible and Freddy sounds like Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons. When will the money-loving hacks at Platinum Dunes ever learn????
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Haley is the man. The style of the film is cool but its just a sort of checklist of moments from the first movie. So why not just watch the first movie? Exactly.
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The first Nightmare was original and edgy and just scary as hell. What made it scary is that our psyche's were fundamentally different. What scared us in the 70's or the 80's doesn't do it anymore. This one needed to "up the ante" and I don't see that... yet. What is going to sell this movie is how Freddy is portrayed and how the nightmare scenes work.
As far as ripping off moments from other Nightmares, I don't really think this is trying to rip off Nightmare 1, 2 or 4. I think we are just looking at this with nostalgic eyes and we're noticing certain things.
On a side note. People need to stop bitching about how this flick is filled with really douchey looking teens. Go to your local high school or college... they are filled with douchey looking teens. I am not saying that all HS and college kids are douches... but there is an alarming amount. -
I've loved the Nightmare movies since I saw ANOES in the 80's but one problem I've always had with them was the dream sequences were always a little too structured. Despite the freaky stuff going in them they never felt like a dream. I'd love to see a Lynch or Gilliam inspired nightmare sequence in one of these films. Really fucked up and wierd. Completely disjointed as most dreams are. But given the talents behind this reboot I wont hold my breath.
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Sep 28, 2009 7:47:15 AM CDT
GREAT! MORE DOUCHEBAGS RUNNING AROUND WITH KNIFE-GLOVES
by bringingsexyback
at Halloween!!! But they are no match for my light saber or Trek phaser!!!
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As I started this trailer, I broke into hysterical laughter at the sight of Clancy Brown as one of the chief parents in the film... And he's the one who says the name Krueger in the trailer here...
For those not in the know, Clancy Brown is best known for his role as Victor Krueger aka "The Kurgen" in the film Highlander. So for him to be part of this film (whether or not the inside joke was intentional) just makes me more curious to see how many other Highlander references may possibly be involved... -
"Morons like you have made Michael Bay
a very rich man by paying to see his shit."
So i take it you've never seen; The Rock,
Armageddon,Badboys 1&2,Transformers 1&2,The Island,etc.
Call me a moron but he makes movies that don't have to appeal
to that movie snob of a movie buff.
"You are a perfect example of the mindless consumer mentality
that is bringing the USA to its knees."
Okay El Che, if I'm a mindless consumer contributing to Amerikkkas downfall
why is consumerism the one thing keeping us OUT of the depression/recession?
yeah were up to our hips in recession water but we haven't fallen completely
under. Besides all that why are you placing blame on mindless consumers in
a freddy krueguer on youtube talkback hmmmmm? CNN forums too conformist for your needs?
"In what way does ANYONE expect this to be better then the original apart
from using the latest make-up and CGI effects?
Just what is the fucking point apart from separating
braindead teens from their money?"
I think the movie could go either way because this was just the first trailer.
How much will it cost to use your time machine?
Seeing as you know this movie will be trash i'd very much like to use
this time machine to correct some things.
Maybe the editors thought that it'd be cool to show off the
updated looks of this movie,and is not indicative to how the
tone of the movie has changed if at all. Okay so you'll take shots at
brain dead teens but your picketing in front of your computer.
Maybe if brain dead teens across America followed your lead
and downloaded the movie, hollywood would crank out more
intelectual (up to your level) moving pictures and cut their
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"Morons like you have made Michael Bay
a very rich man by paying to see his shit."
So i take it you've never seen; The Rock,
Armageddon,Badboys 1&2,Transformers 1&2,The Island,etc.
Call me a moron but he makes movies that don't have to appeal
to that movie snob of a movie buff.
"You are a perfect example of the mindless consumer mentality
that is bringing the USA to its knees."
Okay El Che, if I'm a mindless consumer contributing to Amerikkkas downfall
why is consumerism the one thing keeping us OUT of the depression/recession?
yeah were up to our hips in recession water but we haven't fallen completely
under. Besides all that why are you placing blame on mindless consumers in
a freddy krueguer on youtube talkback hmmmmm? CNN forums too conformist for your needs?
"In what way does ANYONE expect this to be better then the original apart
from using the latest make-up and CGI effects?
Just what is the fucking point apart from separating
braindead teens from their money?"
I think the movie could go either way because this was just the first trailer.
How much will it cost to use your time machine?
Seeing as you know this movie will be trash i'd very much like to use
this time machine to correct some things.
Maybe the editors thought that it'd be cool to show off the
updated looks of this movie,and is not indicative to how the
tone of the movie has changed if at all. Okay so you'll take shots at
brain dead teens but your picketing in front of your computer.
Maybe if brain dead teens across America followed your lead
and downloaded the movie, hollywood would crank out more
intelectual (up to your level) moving pictures and cut their
losses. -
Now I have to admit, Being a Huge Elm Street/Englund fan the trailer looked pretty cool. I liked the way they set everything up. It also helped to have Clancey Brown leading the charge. That is until I saw stuff that bottom line, pissed me off.
Why revisit iconic characters and scenes from the original? Nancy's tub scene, Tina being painted with the room. why remake those scenes when you opened up opportunities to do new shit? Why not people we've never heard of and nightmare sequences that are brand new?
I read a lot of guys remarks about how shitty Zombies' Halloweens was and they have they're reasons.
At least Zombie TRIED to do something different and unpredictable, Yeah he turned Mikey into a Hill Billy but It was interesting, at least for the first half anyway. Then Zombie himself fell into the same re-make hell with second half.
Halloween 2 was bottom line bat shit insane, at least he didn't do a frame by frame remake of Micheal chasing Laurie around a hospital for the whole ride.
The only remake I saw this year that was a vast improvement on the original was "The Last House on The Left" So I guess I'm saying If the old toy isn't broken please don't try to fix it, In other words if it wasn't a bad movie to begin with, LEAVE THE PROPERTY THE FUCK ALONE! -
I like the overall style of it but I'm not too keen on the new make-up and that crappy voice. The voice should of had a twist of Rorsach while the make-up should have been a bit more traditional. Hell, why not if you're going to lift one plot point after another. lol
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this looks fine.
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and sidenote to theycallmemrtibbs -- i agree with you on Last House. that was one of a few originals that was actually a good improvement of the original.
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I'd have to see his entire face, but the mouth looks fairly authentic. Burn injuries are like the only thing Hollywood has to play DOWN. -
What's all this "I didn't do it" bullshit?
It's understandable to feel "sorry" for Jason,the poor ape watched his mom get beheaded for Christ sakes. But are you telling me in 2009, I gotta feel sympathy for Micheal Myers, Leatherface and now Krueger?
(sigh)
I miss the good ol' days! -
Bits of which were posted here from latino review . . . He is innocent! Some little girl gets a beating from daddy (most likely Clancey) which is then used to turn Krueger into the town rapist so that daddy can cover his pta goin ass. Why do you think Clancey is leading the charge at the start of the trailer? Ding! Light bulb anyone?
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...but you both have to admit Rufus being attacked for something the guy who also directed the MC Hammer movie did would be a sadly predictable chapter in his life.
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It looks like someone took a juicy steak, chewed it, swallowed it, regurgitated it, and covered it with a thick layer of premium 70% dark chocolate so the kids would love it.
I mean, the freddy makeup looks great, Jackie will be just fine, I'm not too crazy about the voice but what can you do, right?
At this point, it can't be worse than the sequels. -
...a really scary NOES would have taken another step or two in the direction of the original Phantasm. Now the original NOES was scary, but its scariest moments were those that played with what was and wasn't real. Yeah, we're not going to get that here.
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Now where's mah Barf Bag?
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I'll watch it cuz I like Haley ever since Bad News Bears & that cool ass dirt bike, but copy & paste scenes from the old movies? Boring!!! Is Dokken attached to the soundtrack? Or are we gonna have a rappin Freddy? WORD!
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Haley maked Krueger way more sinister. Robert Englund played the character with a comical slant. This new Krueger looks nicely creepy.
And that opening bit with the parents looks awesome.
I'm not usually a horror fan, but I might actually lay my $10 down to see this.
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Jackie Earle Haleys too short/small to be convincingly menacing as Krueger. Watching this glossy "reboot/remake" with the diminutive Jackie Earle Haley playing Freddy Krueger looks like it'll be akin to watching to a Mini-KISS concert.
http://tinyurl.com/y4jogx
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As a life long Freddy fan, this is exactly what I hoped for. True, they are using a couple of the nightmares from the original, but I doubt it's a nightmare for nightmare remake. Making Freddy possibly innocent already changes the equation. But it looks to me like they really respected the world Wes Craven set up and for that I'm willing to give it a chance.
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...all John Saxon flicks are cool.
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There was no other way for him to get out of that huge factory he ran into? I know it's a movie but for the love of God come on man!
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Churn. Churn. Grind. Grind. Churn. Churn. Grind. Grind. That is the sound of Hollywood killing creative and interesting projects in the name of remakes. Oh Boy. This looks better than the Freddy sequels, but so does watching animal planet at 6am on sunday morning. Big fucking deal.
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They originally were going to change it to the son of 10,000 Maniacs but the RIAA threatened to sue them. Bastards. Pun intended...
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Sep 28, 2009 9:34:26 AM CDT
It's funnt because 10,000 Maniacs is the name of a band!
by royston lodge
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the blonde at the end looks ridiculous... Shouldn't she be terrified as Freddy is approaching her?!?!?
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4-6 was bad but everyone forgets what a great film New Nightmare was. It has the creepy feel of the original movie. It also cuts down on all the one liners that ruined 4-6. Please include New Nightmare in the "great" Freddy films speech.
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The bit in the first NOES where Nancy sees Tina beckoning her in a body bag, and then sliding away, while the guy reading the book in class is whispering is pretty damn dream-like, but I get where you're coming from.
I agree with you and CarlMark though. The idea of truly surreal, terrifying, subconscious nightmares, shown on film, sending the kids into psychosis, suicide or worse, could be a brilliantly new Freddy film.
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yes, it's good to me.
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Nearly every year for Halloween as a kid I always wanted to be Freddy. I could think of nothing cooler than that glove. Saw every movie (except New Nightmare) in theaters, and still love the original, Dream Warriors, Dream Master, and Dream Child. Hell, I watched that old show "Just the 10 of Us" because it had Heather Langenkamp AND the roach chick from part 4. I will check out this new one but have reservations about it, especially after seeing that shot of the new "monkey-Freddy" look. That being said, those of you complaining about the look or the amount of recreated shots in the trailer, okay. But those saying things about the cast, "oh hey, it's that girl from supernatural", "it's the kid from the only decent season of heroes and TSCC", or "Rorschach is playing Freddy" I want you to take yourselves back to 1984 and the original. None of those actors were really anything back then, either. Johnny Depp wasn't Johnny Depp yet, he was "that kid from 21 Jump Street". And Robert Englund was "hey look, it's the humanity-sympathising alien from V". Langenkamp wasn't even known at all, nor was Amanda Wyss (Tina). (I only leave John Saxon out because...dude...Enter the Dragon). So hate on the movie for whatever you've seen visually in two minutes and seven seconds, but don't hate on it for a cast of barely knowns from TV. Last time they used that kind of cast they made the original and knocked it out of the park. So how about reserving judgement until you've seen more than 1/70th of the film's footage. Waitaminnit...this is an AICN TB and I'm asking people to wait to judge until they've seen something substantial? I MUST be crazy...
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What the hell? Does EVERY modern horror film have to be drenched in shades of blue and orange and gray? I'll never get used to it.
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Looks great. Makes it seems like Freddy Krueger was an innocent victim though of a mob attacked and possibly falsely accused. Also, no smile from Freddy at the end? Will miss Robert Englund's wisecracks.
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Yet we get another remake
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I guess we'll have to wait and see Jackie's take. I'm glad he, at least, has the nuts to try something original.
And Robert Englund had, admittedly, long since hammed his Freddy up to be little more than a circus character.
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Trick R Treat hits DVD and Blu-Ray next Tuesday, October 6.
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No matter how much you bullshitted the police during your interrogation, you're cool in my book.
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Watched it last night for the first time, fucking awesome,i'm definitely buying.
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No more.
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Fuck you for making me remember that "Trick R Treat" exists, seeing as it's been getting positive reviews for the last few years and i still haven't seen it or even know when it's released. Is it out yet? Have I missed it?Fuck. I'm gonna have to run over to IMDb now.
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Man 25 years..I remember going with my friends from high school to see the movie...and the next halloween..I made my own freddy glove(at my parents farm) had a lady make the sweater..and soforth and all got myself in burn makeup..etc etc you know the drill..and the they came out with the late 80's freddy glove at stores..now they are everywhere...So with the one talkbackers suggestion..yup there will be a new bunch of kids dressing the part...as he said in nightmare 2..."WE ARE ALL HIS CHILDREN NOW"...and I want england to be the original maniac that raped the nun...and I hear RORSCHACH, when I hear this freddy, because its haley....when I first saw the up lose face at the end..I thought it was the rorschach mask for a minute...Peace
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Man just weeks ago I showed some friends the teaser poster of Freddy's very menacing shape and razor sharp blades. We all agreed! He looks scary again! Diabolical! And what an awesome choice in Jackie Earl Haley! After watching this drivel I really am at a loss. This is more disappointing than the shitty AVATAR trailer. Because I have been a Krueger Disciple all my life and actually care about where the franchise goes. The voice, is just...strange, there's no menace at all. Plus the makeup is fucking terrible! It's all grey and stretched thin. Reminds me of how terrible the makeup was for Gerard Butler in Phantom Of The Opera. Looked like he had a rash that a little hydrocortisone could have cleared up. Siiigh, will be holding judgment until April, but so far, whooptee fuck.
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....the end. Freddy's voice is awful. It sounds like an old man with marbles in his mouth messing with his dentures. The brief glimpse of his face was also not promising. It looks too weird and odd and it's what's really distracting from the movie.
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Because this a modern horror film, this is gonna HAVE to be PG13, right? I doubt this Samuel Bayer guy demanded the freedom to go "R" like Zombie did. And I think that shows even in the trailer. I remember as a kid being disturbed wholly by the Tina scene because she's bleeding and being dragged/smeared across the walls. There was sex and blood in the first one, which made the movie and threat of carnage very real. This will probably be another watered down remake like Prom Night and Black Christmas and all the rest that lack any real edge. Haven't they learned by now that style gets you a decent opening weekend and a quick drop-off into obscurity? No one cares.
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Freddy didn't rape a nun, did he? His mom was a nun who got raped by some psycho and he was the product of that rape. Isn't that right?
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Cause it's that same ex-cop guy chasing Jackie Earle. Guess he finally had enough. :P
Seriously Jackie's been cast as a child molester twice now....what does that do for one's self esteem.
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I didn't read the posts by "theycallmemrtibbs" or "Kaizer Soze". It's them I should have told to fuck off, not you.
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Totally didn't notice this news post. Sad to see it's so Bay-ed up. People are right for pointing out that special Platinum glaze. Hated all the other remakes they've done. They just have no sense for the tone of the originals. Still, do love me some Jackie. Damn it.
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That was... unexpected. Also, redoing the exact same shots from the original (the glove in the bathtub, Tina floating in the air) just looked terribly stupid, like a fanboy shooting his "homage" picture that just copies everything instead of paying it respect.
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If there's anything an updated version can do, its make the whole thing look even more surreal than before. Unfortunately, Tina rising from the bed just looked fake and green-screened to me.
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Sep 28, 2009 12:11:54 PM CDT
CreepyThinMan, the Friday13 remake did have ONE good thing...
by d.vader
That one girl's magnificent pair of boobs, you've gotta give the movie credit there.
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Freddy looks like Voldemort now?
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Almost as shitty as the Prom Night remake... I can't decide which was made by the more talentless hack.
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Did you ever consider that YOU are the reason Hollywood would rather spend/waste money on Remakes of old Movies, TV Shows, Comics etc than fund people with new ideas and new creations?These properties have a built in audience that will actually PAY to see them in theaters on opening weekend. Even if they suck they'll make at least some of their money back before word gets out. Why should they create anything daring or original when half of you are just going to STEAL it instead of supporting it? Your "protests" might actually accomplish something if you all went out and supported a Foreign film or Low Budget Indie Drama the week some movie you don't like comes out. We might see if the AICN crowd really carries any weight in the marketplace.Instead you will all either stay home making fun on AICN of people who PAID to see it and enjoyed it. Or you will stay home Downloading some other movie you're unwilling to spend money on.Why should Hollywood care what THIEVES think about anything? Put your money where your mouth is. Support quality films. Drag your friends to see those. Get off your Fat Ass drive to the nearest art house and give them your patronage instead of bitching about something playing on 4 screens at a multiplex. People who actually CARE about something are willing to pay for it.
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Sep 28, 2009 12:27:55 PM CDT
Royston Lodge, if you think Haley as Freddy is more "sinister"
by d.vader
Then maybe you haven't seen the original NOES in a few years, bc there is NOTHING comical about Freddy in that film.
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We really should give these nobodies the benefit of the doubt before we deem them all douchey or bitchy without having seen them actually "act" yet. That said, however, I think we can all agree that the main guy in the "Stepfather" remake looks like a total John Mayer douchebag wannabe. Anyone disagree? Not only does he look that way, but he totally acts like a douche through the whole trailer too. Kinda hard to relate to a character like that. But I shouldn't be surprised- its being directed by the same hack who made the Prom Night remake (which has that god-awfully horrid "fake scare" in the bathroom mirror scene early on in the film... where the geography and blocking of the scene make no sense at all... who knows what I'm talking about?).
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Done up by some weird religious group like the Sikhism.
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,,,actually, Johnny Depp wasn't even "the guy form 21 Jump Street" yet. He was just "who the hell is Johnny Depp". As for you D.Vader, I agree completely. Bree's boobs did make Friday the 13th better than it would've been otherwise.
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That guy from the Stepfather remake has been in shit before. Always plays a complete bag of cocks, so your right on the money. But I'll see it because Congo was the SHIT! And Nip/Tuck shits all over Lost...even if Locke is the best character on that show.
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The Stepfather remake is done by the same ass cock who made Prom Night. Fuck that noise.
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always fails.
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I love CONGO more than the next guy, and I'm a huge fan of Locke and LOST, so the idea of this Stepfather remake rubs me the wrong way. AND Tery O Quinn could totally still play the Stepfather. AND that shot where the camera pans over to an angry Dylan Walsh yelling at the kid "listen to your mother!!" or whatever makes me laugh everytime. AND you're right, that actor has been in things before, and he's always a tongue cleaner. AND... am I forgetting anything? Darth Mulder is correct- Bree's boobs were so juicy. And the Prom Night remake is just godawful on every level.
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I meant the main TEEN in The Stepfather remake. The dad is fine, I like Dylan Walsh (except for that aforementioned hilarious scene). I meant the teen boy. Total tongue cleaner.
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Made the whole movie seem pretty good. Also made me go out and hunt down that song that plays during the dance number.
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I knew you meant the TEEN kid. He's a douch whole I think Dylan Walsh needs more work damnit (he actually would've made a better Mr. Fantastic). That teen kid is in Gossip Girl and was in this rugby movie where he plays of complete homo, and does not look like he'd survive 1 minute playing rugby.
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Sep 28, 2009 12:53:33 PM CDT
You know you could do a reboot of this series once this one is a
by series7
And have Dlyan Walsh be the first dad with Lock being the new (rich) older second husband. Hmmmmm? I smell sequel!
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Great job on those reviews of Pandorum and Surrogates......
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Sep 28, 2009 12:56:22 PM CDT
Not giving Terry O Quinn a cameo in Stepfather is a travesty
by d.vader
He could totally play the original dad in the new one.
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Considering they're both sci-fi and one is sci-fi horror, and considering this is a fanboy website and those two genres are staples of the fanboy diet... COMPLETE AND UTTER FAIL. Had I seen either, I woulda picked up the slack and sent in a review. I guess FF got in the way for them.
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We got a review of Fame. I'm sure a big group of TB'ers were highly anticipating that...... OHHH and have you heard of this movie called Paronormal Activity????? DO THEY NOT FUCKING LEARN THEIR LESSON. Fucking calm down on that shit and people will like it more. Tell me its the second coming of Boba Fett and I'll give you a copy of Episode 2. For fucks sake. I still can't believe HOW LITTLE D9 was promoted on this site in comparison to how awesome it was. One of the few times I felt the fanfair was not enough.
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Pandorum isn't that great, but I still really want to see both. AIBN should be putting up a pandorum review soon.
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introduce myself: I am the one person who was in my teens and twenties during the 80's that didn't think the Nightmare on Elm Street movies were all that good. Kinda dopey as a matter of fact. So the new movie is one great big "who cares?" for me. And AICN not reviewing Pandorum or Surrogates, or even talking about them, is a FAIL of the highest order. The readers are being punished for not having orgasms over the AVATAR trailer.
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He was actually that loud explosion sound you heard every 5 minutes for no reason.
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With 38% & 35%, respectively, on RT, one could argue that AICN was merely separating wheat from chaff - until one remembers, as Series7 points out, Capone's review of Fame (28%, RT).
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I grew up on the Elm Street movies, and even though I still wish they did a proper sequel with Englund, this doesn't look like it will suck. Easily going to be better than the Halloween and Friday the 13th remakes.
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And tries to look like Larry Charles and Rob Zombies love child made a made for tele Frankenstien movie?
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Is Larry Charles really wearing pink Crocs in that pic from 2008 on his wiki page?
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Sep 28, 2009 1:38:48 PM CDT
meta4, I’VE NEVER PAID TO SEE A MICHAEL BAY MOVIE…..
by carlthormark1978
Caught Bad Boys and The Rock on video and knew that he was a shit Director. Ever since I’ve either waited for the video release or just downloaded his garbage because it’s not worth my money. Oh and it’s not snobbish to want things like decent Direction, good writing and good acting in action films. Casino Royale, The Dark Knight and V for Vendetta are three examples of action flicks have a quality to them that has NEVER appeared in a Michael Bay flick. First, don’t call me Che; Second, and understand this, I believe in capitalism but I also know that PROPER capitalism is driven by innovation and creativity which are two things that completely fly in the face of the type of Corporatism that has polluted Hollywood and the USA. Corporations aren’t interested in creating something new. What they want is Coke or McDonalds. A PRODUCT that can just be mass manufactured endlessly without the need to do something new with it apart from occasionally changing the style of the packaging. This is EXACTLY what is being done with A Nightmare on Elm Street and every other remake of the last several years. Just take what was done before and re-sell it to the mindless drones and mallrats of middle America who will lap it up because they have no taste. Furthermore, please don’t try to paint me as some sort of overtly intellectual cinesnob because I love the original Nightmare which, despite being a well loved Horror classic today, was never and has never been considered “high art” by the Hollywood mainstream although those of us who have a brain recognize that Craven weaved some subtle theme’s and ideas throughout his movie. Idea’s that this remake has shunned for surface level gloss which does nothing to disguise the fact that everyone involved in the production of this movie is a hack from the Producers to the Writers and the Director. There is no vision, only money behind this and I feel sorry for you that you don’t understand this.
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Can't get more anti-intellectual then that.
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Sep 28, 2009 1:47:47 PM CDT
Red Ned Lynch, PHANTASM IS EXACTLY THE TONE I WANT FROM ANOES...
by carlthormark1978
Surrealistic and dream like with an underlying current of menace in between the scares and gore.
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Sep 28, 2009 1:48:36 PM CDT
DID THEY LEARN NOTHING FROM VAN SANT'S PSYCHO REMAKE?
by bringingsexyback
I mean, where's Anne Heche now?
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Looks pretty cool, without the camp of some (most?) of the Nightmare sequels. Regarding the makeup, I remember a kid when I was young who must have been a burn victim, as he had the clear plastic facemask and all. It was pretty horrifying and as a kid myself I remember feeling so sorry for him. It's hard to make it out but from what I can see of the new Freddy, he looks like an actual burn victim to me, especially the nose and lips. Definitely more realistic than the old pizza-face design of Robert Englund. I really dig the voice too, he sounds messed up.
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Tried to watch Deadgirl this weekend and we turned it off 2/3 in. Totally pointless, gross-out stupidity. I hope Paranormal is as good as they say - just put it out on DVD already. Geez.
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They still make crocs? didn't they go out of buisness?
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Sep 28, 2009 2:14:20 PM CDT
CROCS ARE THE STUPIDEST FOOTWEAR EVER TO GRACE THE EARTH
by bringingsexyback
Why are you mentioning them anyway?
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I avoided both Orphan and Final, because they looked blah. I hate Platinum because I enjoyed recent shit like '[REC]', 'Let The Right One In', '4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days', The Descent, and The Mist. I also don't like them because I like the original TCM, Friday the 13th, and ANoES, and other classics like Candy Man and Hellraiser and The Innocents and Carnival of Souls and Terror Creatures from Beyond the Grave, The Deadly Spawn, Shivers and Phantasm II (props to the guy who wants more of the Phantasm tone in his Freddy Films). I liked The Hills Have Eyes remake because of the last act, but little else from them thus far has been to my taste. They're films have for the most part a distinct aesthetic that's not what I want in a Freddy feature. I'm actually not against something less pizza face. If they want to go the innocent route, I think showing some idea of just how much hell that kind of full body burn would be... having him live awhile in the hospital before dying... that would be interesting. But Platinum treatment is the absence of the Director's established style from music videos. THAT was the aesthetic that made me think he'd be a good choice, and while I'll admit the boiler room and the factories are pretty, the whole thing lacks that danger I thought he would bring, and in its place is a lot of same old same old with better cinematography. Too bad they couldn't have gotten someone like Brad Anderson, but I think even he would have been subdued by the brand's style.
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Session 9. Such a great, great little horror movie.Thanks for reminding me to watch it again, Neosamurai85.
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...a billion dollars. Given the shit he's been through, I wanna see the man come out way on top. But criminy, I can't believe this has happened. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS FREDDY VS. JASON 2?! Seriously, I want that film! No Ash, no Michael, no other meanie, just round two of the supernatural-psycho-smackdown that shall have no end!
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You know Nancy’s father, Lt. Thompson, right? Make it that he and Fred Kruger went to high school together. Thompson was Mr. America football champ and he routinely picked on and tormented Freddy who was poor, anti-social and even worked as a cleaner at their high school after hours. Thompson was riding high and about to get a football scholarship to college. Kruger knew this and arranges a little accident where Thompson fucks up his leg, has to drop out of sports and loses the scholarship. Years later and Thompson is working as a cop, loathes his job and constantly laments his status in life. He drinks too much, has a bad marriage and starts raping and killing young girls and boys with a claw glove that he fashioned in his workshop. The police are investigating and since Thompson, himself, is in charge of the case he doesn’t have much to worry, that is until the FED’s have to come in because Thompson has made no progress which makes him look bad to the department. Filled with rage and fear of being caught, he goes to a bar where he recognizes one Mr. Kruger and remembers how good he felt in High School when he used to pick on Freddy, so, he casually starts talking to him and becomes more and more abusive until Freddy drops the bombshell on him that it was HE who caused the accident that ruined Thompson’s life and walks away. Thompson is STUNNED but doesn’t explode. He knows what he has to do and follows Kruger for a week or two and discovers that he lives in the boiler room of the factory he works at. Thompson waits for Kruger to leave and breaks into the boiler room, planting items from his victims that he kept including the claw glove that he used to kill the children. Later that night, Kruger gets home and, minutes after, a squad of cop cars arrive, storm the place and arrest him. Thompson makes the arrest himself and is hailed as a hero for catching the child killer. There is a sensational trail where Krugers life history is revealed including the fact that he was adopted by abusive foster parents and that his real Mother was a Nun who had been accidentally locked in a sanitarium, rapped hundreds of times and later died giving birth to Freddy. Unfortunately Thompson signed the search warrant in the wrong place and Kruger’s lawyer uses it to get him off on the technicality. The ENTIRE town turns on Thompson for letting the monster go. A mob is ready to beat the shit out of him when he suggests that they put their anger towards Kruger. He rallies them and they all go off after Kruger who was going to leave town after picking up his belongings from the boiler room. They get there before he has a chance to escape and locks himself in so they can’t get to him. Thompson screams for him to come out while Kruger professes his innocence. The mob can’t get in so they lock the entrances with chains pour gas around and throw firebombs through the windows. The crowd gathers at the front entrance where Kruger tries to get out except that the doors are chained, he can’t get out and all he can do is look at the faces of the people standing outside. He pleads for help but they just stand there watching as he screams “I’ll get every last one of you for this!!!”. He retreats into the boiler room and finds a hidden picture of his mother and holds it until the burning building comes down on him. Now this idea would be played out as the backstory of the movie while the teenagers of Springwood are starting to die from suicides and murdering each other. The parents are going nuts over why this is happening while the politicians blame movies, music and videogames as the church blames the lack or morals, teen sexuality, interracial relationships and homosexuality etc… In the dreams, Freddy torments the kids but doesn’t reveal himself to anyone except for Nancy Thompson, daughter of Lt. Thompson. Nancy mentions this to her Father and Mother and they know she’s talking about Kruger. Nancy tries to investigate but the town archives were mysteriously burned down a few years after Kruger died. The climax would have Nancy discovering that her Father was the real killer and that Kruger was innocent. Thompson’s cover is blown and he is strangling Nancy where her Mother appears and kills Thompson with a gunshot to the head. The truth comes out that Thompson was the real killer while the people who murdered Freddy, including Nancy’s mother are arrested, put on trail and sentenced to prison. Nancy is home alone and goes to sleep. In her dreams she is in a beautiful sunlit field of grass and comes across to people. It’s Freddy, looking rather dapper, and his Mother in her Nun uniform. They talk to Nancy for a moment, thank her for what she has done and Freddy’s parting words are “The nightmare is finally over”. Mr. K and his Mom walk off into the light and Nancy wakes up for a moment before smiling, closes her eyes and drifts off back to sleep.
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Well Said my friend, well said... ("Did you ever consider that YOU are the reason Hollywood would rather spend/waste money on Remakes of old Movies, TV Shows, Comics etc than fund people with new ideas and new creations?
These properties have a built in audience that will actually PAY to see them in theaters on opening weekend. Even if they suck they'll make at least some of their money back before word gets out.
Why should they create anything daring or original when half of you are just going to STEAL it instead of supporting it? Your "protests" might actually accomplish something if you all went out and supported a Foreign film or Low Budget Indie Drama the week some movie you don't like comes out. We might see if the AICN crowd really carries any weight in the marketplace.
Instead you will all either stay home making fun on AICN of people who PAID to see it and enjoyed it. Or you will stay home Downloading some other movie you're unwilling to spend money on.
Why should Hollywood care what THIEVES think about anything? Put your money where your mouth is. Support quality films. Drag your friends to see those. Get off your Fat Ass drive to the nearest art house and give them your patronage instead of bitching about something playing on 4 screens at a multiplex. People who actually CARE about something are willing to pay for it") -
Crocs was/is my fault - Series7 mentioned Larry Charles, I peeped his wiki ( http://tinyurl.com/yev75kz ), saw the pic, and there ya go.
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"I think showing some idea of just how much hell that kind of full body burn would be... having him live awhile in the hospital before dying... that would be interesting."
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+ a really heavy lisp = Freddy? What? It's such a shame it looks like they're trying to make him a more sympathetic character. That's where these remakes have all gone wrong and I can't believe PD, at least, hasn't understood that. In the original versions of these movies, people were afraid of these characters because they appeared as evil incarnate, not because they got beat up when they were little kids by their redneck fathers. PD has become so concerned with how they can make a horror antagonist "cool" and "marketable" that they've completely forgotten that the original point was to make something people are afraid of. Seeing Haley cry like a pussy does not instill any feelings of dread.
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It leaves no room for a franchise which is, of course, the goal here financially. Right?
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Sep 28, 2009 3:10:46 PM CDT
Neosamurai85, NICE TO SEE A CARNIVAL OF SOULS FAN HERE....
by carlthormark1978
Pleased to meet you. CoS is one of my top ten favorite movies of all time. If you don't have it I would HIGHLY recommend getting the Criterion Edition as it's the end all be all of Carnival of Souls and well worth the money. Peace.
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So a man makes a clawed glove and starts killing kids because he's a cop and has a nagging football injury from high school? All the while Freddy is weak, loser who would never hurt anyone in real life but then comes back with some kind of angry nerd vengeance? Yeah, no thanks. Imagine the backlash from fucking up a character like Freddy like that. It'd make the talkbacks about Zombieween seem like Oscar buzz.
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Sep 28, 2009 3:18:09 PM CDT
DON COSCARELLI REALLY SHOULD HAVE MADE A NIGHTMARE MOVIE.....
by carlthormark1978
I don't know why New Line didn't tap him to make an Elm Street sequel in the 80's when he seemed to be a perfect choice?!? A tragic missed oppertunity.
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hmmm
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I'm too scared.
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Sep 28, 2009 3:29:36 PM CDT
solanine, IT'S KINDA LIKE A DAVID LYNCH STORYLINE....
by carlthormark1978
The idea that under the surface of suburban America it's a cop, a family man, who is really committing the murder’s then frames an innocent man who then takes revenge on the children of Springwood. The evidence that Thompson plants isn’t what convinces people that Freddy was the killer, it’s really the fact that they see him as inferior because of his lack of education and status in life so, of course, he must be some degenerate child killer which plays into middle America’s obsession with wealth and status. With my idea, Freddy never actually kills anyone, he just torments them into killing themselves or each other as punishment for the crimes perpetrated against him. Nancy doesn’t even kill her Father, her Mother does it as she was also one of the people involved in the murder of Kruger. I’m just having fun and throwing some ideas out there.
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Go see The Collector.
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OK thanks
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The scene where he tears his coat off to reveal Freddie’s trademark sweater looked too over the top like he was revealing a superhero costume.
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Good thinking!!
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Sep 28, 2009 3:34:52 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, YOU SHOULD SEE IT, A MASTERPIECE, UP THERE WIT
by carlthormark1978
Night of the Living Dead and George A. Romero has, himself, said that Carnival of Souls was an influence on his movie. My three favorite Black & White Horror films are NOTLD, CoS and the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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Sep 28, 2009 3:36:09 PM CDT
THAT KINDA REMINDS ME OF THE LIFE OF MICHAEL JACKSON
by bringingsexyback
God willing, he should come back and torment Martin Bashir and all his accusers' and haters' in their nightmares. Shamawn!!!! *Slice!!!!*
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Shit, even the title scares me. *Shiver*
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Interesting.
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It's a classic morality tale where an innocent man gets revenge on the people who done him wrong.
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I can't see anyone seeing a movie that is a mix of Big Bully (1996 Rick Moranis/Tom Arnold, Striking Distance(1993 Bruce Willis/SJP) and Nightmare on Elm Street.So your original idea isn't very, well, original at all.Better stick with "Do you want fries with that?" champ :)
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I can't believe more people aren't complaining of his voice! He sounds like a cross between a bad impression of Sean Connery and Jim Carrey in The Grinch! This remake is absolutely pointless and redundant. Boo Jackie Earle Haley and Michael Bay. Bring on Trick r Treat!
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We don't need another horror 'icon' belittled to being the one picked on in school.Rob Zombie filled that quota -- twice -- actually.
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All the build up as me expecting to be let down. Guess I'll throw it in the DVD player one night this week.
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Firstly, not a bad idea for the remake there. A few ideas need tweaking, but fuck - this is an AICN TB, not Secreenwriting 101. Pretty tight idea.
Secondly - what many people don't understand is that the original ANOES is great because it was written and directed by a former psychology professor who knew EXACTLY what would and wouldn't scare people. He wanted to put the most primal fears we have - the idea of being torn to piec3es by sharp teeth or claws - into a new villain. The fear of sleep itself - and sleep is something we CANNOT do without - is also a great idea, and the two together end up creating a villain who you CANNOT escape.
Sam Bayer is a painter who became a video maker, who spent years creating slick looking commercials and music videos. Wes Craven did a degree in english and psychology, then got his Masters, then became a Humanities college teacher. He then became a taxi driver, and then an assistant sound editor, where he met Sean S. Cunningham and got into making movies.
Who's going to have had the most life experience? Who's going to know more about human nature - the guy who studied it and then taught it, or the guy who spent his entire professional life regurgitating other people's styles until he got one (barely) of his own? In short, Sam Bayer hasn't got enough life experience to be able to make a decent horror movie - because his whole life has been about how to make something LOOK cool, NOT understanding how people work and what scares them.
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Sep 28, 2009 3:47:59 PM CDT
hhmmm does this trailer suggest new freddy isn't a kiddie killer
by slappy jones
i hate that idea if that is the case....if freddy is innocent FUCK THIS FILM.
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Hmmm... Freddy Krueger. I once had a fellow classmate who was banished to who knows where because he decided to put x-acto knives on his fingers in art class and perpetrate some inappropriate acting out. Creepy. And perhaps, sad. This re-make looks snoozy so far.
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Sep 28, 2009 3:49:22 PM CDT
Freddy's innocence - once more for the cheap seats (*SPOILERS*)
by spud mcspud
Here we go again. Pay attention, you fucks.
**SPOILERS**
**NO, SERIOUSLY, SPOILERS**
**I'VE READ THE FUCKING SCRIPT. THESE REALLY ARE SPOILERS!!**
**SPOILERS (LAST CHANCE)**
He is! Oh no, he isn't! AHA! He lied! HE IS!!!
It's shit.
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And you think that's a good idea for a NOES story? Incorporating his manipulation of people is a good thought, but having the killing done solely by other people is an absolutely awful idea. No one wants to go see a Nightmare film with Freddy standing in the background the entire time. No one wants a film with an innocent, weakling, nerd of a Freddy. And most of all, no one wants a Nightmare film with someone other than Freddy as the real antagonist. Don't get me wrong, yours is an interesting idea, but wrong for a NOES movie. It feels more like something in the "psychological thriller" genre than actual horror movie. There just would be no motivation for either of the main "bad guys". A man killing kids because he couldn't get that college scholarship doesn't really sell it, nor does someone going after the kids of parents that were brainwashed into believing the school dork was a child killer. Freddy needs to be scheming, ruthless, diabolical, and homicidal. Turning him into someone you feel sorry for ruins the scariness of the character.
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It is one of the more underrated horror films out there. Can't help but wonder if Herk Harvey was a big fan of Persona and Hour of the Wolf. It's really an atmospheric treat. I let an old bandmate borrow it and haven't seen it since. A good excuse to grab the Criterion. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I love their treatments.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:15:38 PM CDT
I JUST DON'T FIND CRAZY MONSTERS ALL THAT INTERESTING.....
by carlthormark1978
The idea that it’s scarier if you don’t know is bullshit IMHO as it just turns every murderer into a crazed psychopath who kills people for no reason. Anyone can go and murder anyone at any time. You could be killed in a car crash at anytime, as well, and I don’t find cars very scary, except for the cost of gas and insurance. It’s the person behind the wheel that is the cause, just as most killers have motives that drive their compulsive behavior to murder people. A lunatic who keeps killing for no reason until they’re stopped is just pest control. Most serial killers aren’t some quippy maniac delivering clever puns, they’re Henry : Portrait of a Serial Killer, a man driven to murder because of his upbringing and/or for financial reasons. Killers like Freddy Kruger, Hannibal Lecter and Michael Meyers don’t exist. It’s fun to watch those movies in terms of a surface level, jump scare manner while admiring the techniques that filmmakers use but they don’t get under the skin, the way that Henry does, and that’s because we know there are people like him, right now, out there and murdering for their own reasons. Just because you know of a characters motives doesn’t make what they do any less terrifying.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:18:57 PM CDT
I hate when someone is *given* a franchise film for their 1st
by d.vader
Sam Bayer has never directed a feature length movie. Ever. Lots of great, and I mean GREAT music videos, sure. But any short films? None that I can tell. But definitely NO feature films. And yet he's handed the reigns to A Nightmare on Elm Street. I HATE that kind of shit.
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Sep 28, 2009 4:23:52 PM CDT
Neosamurai85, YOU WON'T REGRET BUYING IT, I PROMISE YOU :)
by carlthormark1978
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I very much enjoyed most of the ANOES movies, and think the first is a classic. But compared to Henry Lee Lucas, Krueger is a pussycat.
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While I mentioned the similarities between the single audio quote from JEH in the trailer and Saul Tigh, I'm not going to base any opinion of the film on a trailer. I'll do that when I see the film. No idea how this will turn out, though. Not a fan of PD but I do like JEH.
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wasn't a fictional character. Freddy Krueger is.
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davy jones from the pirates movies lol
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Sep 28, 2009 4:52:23 PM CDT
D.Vader, REMAKES ARE LIKE DIRECTORS SCHOOL FOR HACKS....
by carlthormark1978
Notice how almost every single one of them is helmed by someone who's spent their careers making music videos or commercials? That’s not to say that there aren’t great Directors who haven’t came from those fields such as Ridley Scott and David Fincher, among others, but Scott’s first feature, The Duelists, not only showed distinctive visual style but also had a strong story and quality acting and while Alien 3 was hardly at the same level of the first two movies, that film showed definite artistic flair from Fincher who redeemed himself with Se7en, a masterpiece. In comparison to the recent remakes, let’s look at the three best, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing and The Fly. Each of those moves were made by Director’s (Phillip Kaufman, John Carpenter and David Cronenberg respectively) who had a track record of features not to mention the multitude of short films that, in Carpenter and Cronenbergs case, that showed that even at an early stage they’re work had a distinctive flavor. Sam Bayer, unfortunately, is like McG, Brett Ratner and Michael Bay who all toiled in music video/commercial land after going to film school paid for by Mommy and Daddy. None of these hacks have used the MILLIONS of dollars that they’ve made making promos to finance little short movies, or even low budget features, to develop the types of stories that they wanted to tell. No. They see feature film Directing as more of a way of climbing the Hollywood ladder and achieving a higher level of status not to mention financial wealth. They aren’t judged by the strength of their ideas, of which they have none, but by how slick their visuals are and that’s exactly why Hollywood keeps hiring them because they sure as fuck don’t want some “intellectual” coming in with all their bullshit about “characterization”, “theme’s” and “subtext”. No. They want a monkey to push the camera around and make sure the actors say the lines while hitting their marks. That’s all. As I’ve said, I have nothing against remakes, but I would like to see the original movies idea’s developed and expanded if they are going to be revisited but most of these recent remakes are just quick rehashes that virtually copy the original films with nothing but a glossy, digitally color graded sheen covering the complete and utter lack of idea’s and quality that these moves have.
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Hope they cast Dourif's daughter. Saw her on svu months ago as a goth chiq that was really an undercover cop. She was really pretty.
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I loved them, they were excellent modern horror films that helped bring classic slashers back. They were brutal and they were scary, and that's all that they were supposed to be. You guys don't appreciate it, but it was well worth the money I paid for the tickets and the dvds. Its not like horror films were ever supposed to be "epic" like The Godfather. Respect it for what it is, at least platinum dunes has never stooped to the PG-13 level.
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and then I heard the voice and returned to skepticism.
Englund's throaty, gutteral vocals are really what made the character. He spoke his lines very fast and then they were distorted in post. -
A playful St. Bernard owned by teen mom Taylor Momsen is bit by a bat, and he fights the literally rabid urges coursing through him and the kind, labia-licking pooch he once was. The bat bite makes him fall victim to the jealousy he feels that Taylor got her cherry popped by some second string running back and that she has a bastard kid to focus her love on, not him. Besides featuring graphic depictions of death by dog where even his semen is acidic, it's also a character drama where Taylor wishes she would've went to Planned Parenthood and gave that geek with the Black Lantern power ring more attention. Featuring the voice of Tony Todd as Cujo's thoughts before the bat bite, and Ellen Page after the bat bite. Featuring music by Colbie Caillat.
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http://tinyurl.com/5t4nnu
Done and done.
What else is left? They've gone through the big guns with ANOES, and most of the little ones too. I believe there are also remakes of Hellraiser and Candyman in the pipes. Fingers crossed for Dolly Dearest! -
...glad you agree about the Phantasm tone for NOES. Let me respond by agreeing absolutely with your love for Carnival of Souls. Easily one of the most borrowed from films in the horror genre. If you were going to make a list of the 50 essential horror movies to see Carnival of Souls would be on it.
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...I could not agree with your last post more.
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Sep 28, 2009 6:03:07 PM CDT
If they're going to remake a horror movie they should remake..
by paragoncomplex
Halloween... wait... Friday the... no... Child's P... hmm.... well... ffs, what HAVENT they remade/currently remaking? I think the majority of people that hate remakes just feel old because they remember the originals.
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...they remake Frogs while Sam Elliot's still around to play the Ray Milland role from the original. And Day of the Animals while Leslie Nielson's still around to do a cameo. I'm alone here, aren't I?
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...with Josh Brolin?
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...with Shatner in Borgnine role and Chris Pine in the Shatner role?
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...wait, they already did. Pretended it was a remake of House of Wax.
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...with Amy Adams. And make it a musical.
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...it's what a severely burned person would both look and sound like. More realistic=scarier and creepier. It will be interesting to see just how much of the scene-for-scene stuff was simply edited together just for the trailer. I like the trailer, but I'll reserve full judgement for the finished product.
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I mean...there's only so many notes. Yet I constantly find new and interesting artists doing the most unexpected things. And its still happening in movies. A movie like District 9 reminds me of finding those new notes. Which is why shit like this drives me fucking nuts. But hey, Britney still sells albums. People buy shit, people gonna make it.
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That makeup looks awful. Almost Cg-ish. Like Voldemort make-up. The voice is also pretty bad. The only thing I could think of is that fucking guy who keeps saying 'caaannndddyyy caannneee' in that shitty 'truck driver's trying to murder us' movie.
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michael bay needs to be stopped but I'm afraid its too late.
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at least it doesnt appear to be as silly or as campy as all the elm st movies after the third one
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Sep 28, 2009 7:19:01 PM CDT
Jackie Earle Haley and i am one loyal son of a bitch for Bayers
by wes from ny
This site gets pretty negative...and i am the first one to jump on that bandwagon at times
especially for the shit that has been flowing out of hollywood for the past 15 years or more
....but, from a 2 minute teaser trailer, how the hell do we know anything? i know 2 things
Jackie Earle Haley as freddy, you got me...
and while i don't care a hell of a lot for Bayer...i cannot, and will not, ignore the fact, that this is the man, who directed the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video...which was one of the videos, that ushered in the alternative music scene to the forefront of the my world 17 years ago...and i am one loyal son of a bitch...so for that...he has my faith.
that being said
no one is going to top Wes's masterpiece
and i agree with Red Ned Lynch
will someone please take on "Rosemarys Baby"
a few years back, i thought Gweneth
now
i dont know
i just asked my girlfriend...
who could be the new rosemary ?
My girlfriend just replied
"Michelle Williams..."
man, she's good...,my girl friend that is
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I have a few tweaks to make that will strengthen your story while maintaining the overall idea.1. Let's not completely turn Freddy Kreuger into a victim. Make him a thief, a lowlife, a dirtbag. Make it easy for the people of Springwood to believe that he's a child molester and killer, instead of forcing the residents to believe it just because he was a loser in high school. Yes, he was innocent is these heinous crimes, but he's hardly innocent.2. When Kreuger died and comes back, he kills. Noone cares for a Freddy movie where Freddy doesn't kill anyone. This isn't Terminator 2 where Freddy can slice someone in the leg, turn to Nancy and say, "He'll live." Make us believe that Thompson's actions turned a bad person into a worse person. He's out for revenge, and he's pissed.3. In the end, Nancy defeats Freddy, and exposes her father, who blows his brains out. Or have Freddy get defeated, but in his last ounce of strength, kills himself and Thompson.
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I watched this trailer and thought it looked great, except the recycling of the original scenes is a bit boring and unimaginative. Then Freddy shows up at the end. What The Fuck? Yes his voice fucking sucks, it's just fucking terrible and doesn't echo the original Freddy's personality at all, it's a regression. And the make-up, from what I can see in the clip, looks like shit, too! Why does it look so fake and CG? I hope to God the make-up doesn't really look that bad.
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I'll stick with the originals.
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Sep 28, 2009 7:31:13 PM CDT
"GREAT! MORE DOUCHEBAGS RUNNING AROUND WITH KNIFE-GLOVES"
by spazatronik2000
lmao I had those!
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Just like in 'The Dark Knight' that joker wasn't Jack Nicholson.
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"I am going to download it because it does not deserve my money"
Hey shitball... if you have any desire to watch it, it deserves your money. Your thieving ass was going to download it anyways. -
http://www.filmociraptor.com/
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That's bullshit, Freddy is supposed to be the perfect storm of evil. Son of 100 maniacs, child murderer, dream demon. You guys are nuts with your "identifiable cuddly innocent Krueger". No no no. You guys are over thinking, and that's what ruins things.
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redo/remake/reboot the scene the right way or dont do it at all ffs.
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I normally love your ideas (the one where I think Michael Bay was wanking and covered in his own shit and his eye came out was particularly genius), but your Nightmare on Elm Street idea is off the mark.
Freddy Krueger has to be a child molester. It's his raison d'etre. It's just what makes him appealing and horrifying. Taking that away would be like de-fanging Dracula.
The appeal of the original Nightmare, at least when you first watch it, is that Freddy is a mystery character. He's in the kids' dreams but no-one knows who he is. The story unfolds. Giving him a visualised origin (like in the trailer), is just pointless. It should be a creepy story that the kids are told. That's what made it chilling - imagining it. He's a bogeyman.
Seriously, they should have just got Wes Craven back. It's an insult that they didn't. Or, as someone else said, Chris Cunningham. That would have been the scariest movie of all time. -
And look at the bath scene again. It just looks like a tub of foam. In the first one, they actually had a bath with a hole in it, submerged in a water tank, just to do that shot. And this one is supposed to be stylish?
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They show a little girl ghost with a five fingered rip through her dress...how's THAT innocent?
He's trying to weasel and whimper away from the parent's mob in the beginning...very realistic. Or did you think child rapist/murderers prey on helpless children because they're cool and tough and scary? -
BringingBackSexy had an excellent point. Your script is perfect for a Michael Jackson movie. It requires very little reworking. He even has the had, red shirt, prosthetic face and glove.
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but the original was never that great. The Englund Phantom of the Opera is better than all of the ANOES movies. Anyone who is hurt and angry over the revamp of a crappy franchise like this needs to loosen up. I can understand not being impressed with it but life goes on and pointless remakes are just a part of that.
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i just realized that freddy looks like gary oldman from Hannibal. and he sounds like an orc from LOTR. But, other than that the preview looks really good.
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we already know the body count! where's the scare in this one? it Does look pretty stylish though...
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Katie Cassidy uh uh uh! Thats me humping the screen. uh uh uh !
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Sep 28, 2009 9:38:09 PM CDT
This Isn't as Important as SUPER street fighter IV
by disney_retcond_my_std
or Winx Club season 6.
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as always. However, it seems to me that too many directors are needlessly changing details just so they can claim to have contributed, but they have no understanding of the mechanics of the character and serve only to undermine the icons. Freddy and Michael in particular are not victims last time I checked, and honestly, what is the point of going down those avenues? Note to all remake writer/directors: the orignals worked for a reason. Find the reasons why and work your story around that instead of changing the details which define the characters. Trust me, filming some (gasp) new material within the basic confines of the existing franchise is more important than cherry-picking all the best scenes from the original.
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Why the fuck would Freddy speak with any kind of speech impediment brought on by his burning... WHEN HE IS A FUCKING GHOST/SPIRIT/DEMON/ENTITY?????? Wouldn't he just speak in the voice he had before the torching, if he is powerful enough to INVADE FUCKING DREAMS? Seriously. You idiots are brainless and pathetic excuses for "fans".
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I was flicking through the video links on Quint's trailer, and came across this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxPmOP1_HIY
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the beginning. Showing Freddy before he becomes a demon. It takes away that mysteriousness of the character. In the original it's what made him so creepy. You didn't know who the fuck he was until halfway through.
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Sep 28, 2009 11:12:53 PM CDT
bigbaldpapa, FUCK YOU CUNTFACE!!! YEAH, I DOWNLOAD AND, YOU KNOW
by carlthormark1978
If I really like what I'm seeing I go to the theatre and pay to see it, to support the movie. For instance, I just downloaded Trick r Treat, loved it, and I'm now going to buy the DVD when it comes out next week and tell everyone I know to buy a copy. Know why? QUALITY! Dark Knight came out last year, I watched it off a torrent and liked it soo much that I saw it three times at the theatre and own the DVD and will eventually get the Blue-Ray. Just this year, Land of the Lost, a movie that people trashed, well, I fucking LOVED it and went to see it twice after watching the torrent and will buy it on DVD when it comes out. But I will NOT put one fucking cent into the pockets of scum like Michael Bay who makes nothing but fucking low grade trash. I have about as much sympathy for Bay as I would a used car salesman who sells people lemons so don't give me any of that fucking bullshit that I should just willingly waste my money on fucking garbage and just take it when, surprise surprise, it turns out to be shit. Fuck you.
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Why should that be considered a problem? The actor is trying to put a signature mark on the character he's playing. He's obviously not trying to be a carbon copy of Englund's Krueger.
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Cool it now!!!!
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Sep 28, 2009 11:21:39 PM CDT
The_Goddamn_Batman, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT.....
by carlthormark1978
We've had "evil" Freddy for several movies and a TV show. This is a remake and I just liked the idea of Freddy being innocent because it would be an new twist on the character and something different. I can dig another evil Freddy movie but that has been done and DONE for twenty five years now.
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Sep 28, 2009 11:31:48 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, I JUST HATE THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT....
by carlthormark1978
"Oh, you're STEALING if you download" to which I reply, HEY, give me a fucking product worth paying for and I will buy it. I just know there are a bunch of PD minions trolling these boards and they don’t give a fuck about A Nightmare on Elm Street, it’s just their job to defend whatever trash Michael Bay pumps out nor do they care about the Horror genre. On the off chance that there are people from PD here, just one thing to say to you, EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU FUCKING WORMS.
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I'm just looking for any excuse to link that vid hehe!!!!
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It ain't like trafficking heroin or cocaine and shit.
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Nor did I DL it. Why? I imagine the fucking eye-stabbing CGI chaos would probably be worse on a cam version, and quite frankly, I don't need the headache.
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The Halloween & Friday the 13th remakes. While the makeup on Haley looks good , far more realistic, his voice I do not have a problem with. My only misgiving is that he is so short and unlike, Eglund, Haley DOES NOT look intimidating.. I like the makeup though very much looks to be an improvement of the original makeup.
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Sep 28, 2009 11:41:56 PM CDT
Wes_Reviews_, MICHAEL BAY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT GHOSTS/DEMONS/SPIRIT
by carlthormark1978
Can you be surprised when Transformers 1 & 2 shows that he doesn't even know what robots are?!?
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looks stupid now. it was cool when i was 12 yrs old, did not age well.
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The day that man makes a full length horror film will be the day Horror is met with a new precedent on the scale of Jacob's Ladder. It will also be the same day I can't hear my own screams over the sound of me shitting myself.
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yeah, I am thinking they are going to mis the mark on this. Simply by the fact that this is a by the books trailer for a make....spend a few seconds, not really showing what it is, then hit all the beats that will tell all the fans just what it is...Man even movie marketing is not as good as what it used to be. Whatever happened to the Teaser! Imagine instead of this, they just have a girl, young girl. Sleeping. The camera is on her tight..at first she is peaceful..but she starts getting distressed...we don't see why but she is obviously getting really scared, moaning, contorting her features, breathing heavy -- having a nightmare...we stay on her as she continues in her diress, and we don't see, but we hear certain sounds...strange metallic screeches, a quiet, yet maniacal laugh...her distress continues and escalates, she is practically convulsing, drenched in sweat..and she suddenly sits upright, screaming, throwing her hands in front of her in a warding gesture. We watch her as she gets her bearings and comes out of the dream, claming down...when she winces and notices a cut on her arm..fade out, cut to tagline..."Whatever you do, don't fall asleep."
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I typed that up real fast. Lots of typoes and mispellings and less grammar then an average Harry review...but you might have gotten my point.
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Even if I don't agree with your basic premise of having Freddy innocent, I do like the way you think. The idea of Freddy "nudging" kids into doing the heinous things they do rather than overtly do them himself is great -- especially since it in some ways actually plays into what you were talking about earlier about America and its obsessions with what constitutes winners and losers, good and bad, success and failure. For a moviegoer with average to above average intelligence it would be quite uncomfortable watching a movie where all of the ills afflicting the youth of today can be blamed on a "dream boogeyman" rather than on other, more down to earth factors. In fact, a movie like that could be a litmus test on the same level as Starship Troopers if created with skill.
Then again, we're not talking about movies being made for people with even average intelligence, are we? Like you so aptly put it, "REMAKES ARE LIKE DIRECTORS SCHOOL FOR HACKS". Whatever happened to the likes and days of people like Roger Corman where yes, the movies were cheap exploitation flicks, but also laboratories where people of true talent could hone their skills?
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Only too right. My dream is a Chris Cunningham directed Alien 5. Imagine Giger's fucked up design and Cunningham's REALLY fucked up audio and visual work.
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I have no problem with monsters of the unknown... or more realistic ones, but I prefer the latter start out that way. As for making Freddy innocent, I'm fine with it in the same way I'm fine with making Dracula into Vlad or even Judas. I like playing around with these iconic characters, but in the end it's only a game, a few steps up from fan fiction (no offense Carl) for me, because in the end Freddy is a certain type of monster and that is a part of his effectiveness. It's the same reason people often go back to Nosferatu, Bella's Dracula, and Horror of Dracula as their favorites. It's when he's a personification of death, a satanic figure, a force of the wild and of darkness rooted in thousands of years of traditions built around our primal myth birthing fears. The force of Freddy is his mystique, his legend status. He isn't supposed to make sense; in many ways it's like the new take of the Joker, the brilliance of which was that he DIDN'T make sense. He refused to have a neat back story that allowed you to put him in a neat little box. Before the Joker there was the amazing Rutger performed killer of The Hitcher. Call them sociopaths? What exactly does that explain? I'm not saying real life serial killers aren't scary either, but in most cases, hearing a back story dosen't exactly make you feel you get them. They are always too far beyond comprehension - too distant from any perception of humanity. There is always something vacant. The schizophrenics? Hah! That disease takes so many varying forms that to pretend that it makes it all clear is absurd. So the difference for me between a monster like Henry and a monster like Lecter (before he was explained to death of coarse) or more importantly, the Shape, is that the prior is a focused form of the unknown and the latter is more an embodiment of the universal--death personified. Both work when done write. Sure, the latter can be done poorly and be an excuse for lazy writing (Final Destination franchise... yeah, I'm looking at you), but Loomis's speech about study Micheal in the first Halloween and realizing that there was no magic key to his evil... that is still one of the greatest scenes, speeches, pages of horror script writing... that's still one of the best moments in horror film history. When they're done right, Crazy /evil monsters are pretty fucking intense. And when humanized, they always lose that power. Hannibal, the Shape... giving them origin's meant trading bogymen for scary motherfuckers with issues... I like a good scary motherfucker with issues, but its almost never an improvement. It's trading a transient fear rooted in our basic primal development and perceptional growth, and replacing it with the reality that there are sick people that can do things inhuman. The latter has that impact of, 'this isn't a dream, this is real evil' though, but its a kind that we can trick ourselves into believing we get. It's best trick is that it can threaten our perception of humanity -- of what a human being can do. The original Cape Fear and Night of the Hunter both do this tremendously... but again, how much back story do we get on either of these guys? Not much about their motives beyond that their evil and a few conditions that feel flimsy. None provide the kind of wrongfully accuse narrative of neo-freddy let alone Micheal 'no one will take me trick 'r treating so I need to where my got-to-take-a-shit mask' Myers. So yeah, it's a fine line between the two... it blurs over, and there are points to be made for both. I might lean more to the unexplainable void monsters, but I wouldn't say one is more a valid form than the other. They set out with different goals. It's just that when a monster swaps hats, it's usually left strangely flaccid. Poor Emosamurai Lecter... Poor, poor Emosamurai Lecter, indeed.
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Though I half expect what an earlier poster said will be the case. He's INNOCENT... oh wait, he lied. He's still just an evil bastard... and he's gotten the kids to find his bones all scattered around the land of snakes and bats and hands that come out of the ground... oh wait... that's what would happen if Paul W. S. Anderson made the movie based on the game (god I feel old).
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Jesus christ. It's seriously like the film industry is on a unified mission to destroy everything I grew up loving. Who honestly looked at "A Nightmare On Elm Street" and thought; "You know what'd really make this better? If Freddy was innocent, looks Mason Verger from "Hannibal", and speaks like he is mentally disabled." Like, really? THIS is what was so important that they couldn't just allow the original films to stand on their own or make a sequel? THIS is the approach to nightmare that had to be done? Really? Just awful, just f*cking awful.
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So, let me get this straight:
"So, yeah, this fan of cinema will be downloading this because I’m not going to contribute one f&@king penny to yet another uninspired piece of sh!t remake when the time, money and effort wasted on this garbage could have been used to create something original."
You refuse to contribute money to it because it's such a colossal failure and a waste of your time? That's cool--different strokes.
But then, you *do* plan to don your pirate cap and download it because... well, obviously, you want to watch it.
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Amazingly. I would pay $1,000 to watch it, and it's worth every penny.
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I need part two of it. It finishes just as the hotter chick starts getting her homework done.
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But I won't pay for it.
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This may come as a shock to you but lots of us do watch things we know will suck. Hell, I have loads of DVDs of movies I hate, either because they are part 5 or 6 in a series (I'm a completist) or because they were cheap/gifts or simply because at times there's a sort of thrill in seeing something truly awful.
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But in most cases I will because I have a feeling that I might be wrong and that there could be some merit to the project that I wouldn’t want to dismiss because of my preconceived prejudices. THAT is why I download and WHY I will then admit I was wrong and put my money where my mouth is by either going to see it at the theatre or renting/buying the DVD as I have/will with Land of the Lost. But understand that my preconceived prejudices of the ANOES remake is based on the evidence that Platinum Dunes is a shitty production company that has remade a few classic Horror films and FAILED miserably every single time. Put it this way, if given a choice between watching the original Chainsaw Massacre/Friday the 13th/Nightmare on Elm Street or these fucking awful remakes, I’d take the originals anytime thank you very much. On the other hand I prefer the Body Snatchers/The Thing/The Fly remakes over the originals and that’s because they are, arguably, superior to their predecessors.
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Sep 29, 2009 2:19:57 AM CDT
BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? I LOVE BLOOD FEAST AND CORPSE GRINDERS :D
by carlthormark1978
It's just my taste but you have to give me some credit that I at least try to articulate why I dislike something as opposed to just saying “That, like, totally suxxors dude111”.
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Sep 29, 2009 2:26:33 AM CDT
LESBIAN HOMEWORK SESSION SHOULD TAKE A PAGE FROM GODFATHER PART
by carlthormark1978
Rather then deliver a traditional sequel, where there is just more lesbianism and homework, what about a fractured narrative that works as a piece of meta-fiction that both portrays and comments on homework/lesbianism and how both are tied into the collective unconsciousness of bitterness and anger that people in the USA feel about losing Vietnam. The ass tonguing could work as a potent metaphor of the populations feelings that they have been abandoned by a system that has repeatedly betrayed them while socializing the losses of Wall Street.
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"There's a man. Every time I get into my bed, he's there - inside of me! I try to get him to stop going inside of me but he won't! MAN, YOU'RE MY BEST MALE FRIEND! STAY WITH ME - HERE - IN MY BEDROOM - AND HELP ME KEEP THE MAN FROM GETTING INSIDE OF ME!" "Whoah, whoah, dude ... sure, I'll hang in your bedroom tonight, and keep you safe from the man who's trying so ... hard ... to get inside of you." Music: BOWWRROWWWRRRRRRR ...
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You're all 100 percent right as far as the people here who say there are parts of this that look awesome (THE NEW STUFF) and parts that bring you out of the movie (the repeated stuff from the original series, especially the steaming pool water boiling up like in Part 2). But at the same time, I try to remember that this is going to be some kid's first ever NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, and there's no reason to deprive the new kids just because WE got to see it first. New teens (and under) are going to go to the theater. One of the happiest sights of my three trips to the cinema to see FRIDAY THE 13TH remake was a dad bringing his tiny tot who went "Oooo - AHHH - oh no!" the entire movie, covering his eyes and giggling with mock terror. He was having a blast, and his dad was going "It's not too scary for you, is it?" in a whisper and he'd go "Dad, I'm 9! Shhh - OOH NOOOOOH!"
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Sep 29, 2009 2:45:02 AM CDT
ThusSpakeSpymunk, THAT READS LIKE MACAULAY CULKIN TALKING.....
by carlthormark1978
To his brother circa 1991.
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Has a lot to do with why I'm not going ape-shit rage crazy about this. It's so, so, so wrong. So not what Nightmare on Elm Street should be arguably... but goddamn I love it. As much as it reduces Freddy to a stupid slasher killer and as much as it's a blatant Carrie rip-off, I love that party scene where he gets loose and kills everyone. It's insane, it dosen't make any sense seeing as he's in the real world... but who cares? Part 3 would wipe the slate clean and give us a proper sequel and two is left as this odd hiccup swept under the rug, that we can find, shake off, just watch for what it is. The same can be said for New Nightmare. I love that film, and god knows if there was a film to say 'fuck the franchise' it was pretty much that one. It's not a terrible film really at all (ok, the bone claw based on the original's poster art was embarrassingly fake and it's far from the best makeup effects in the series) but as creative and fun and entertaining as it was, it would have had to have been Halloween III or one of those later Hellraisers to have had less to really do with the original killer (when you think about it, it's only little bit less off bat than Jason Goes to Hell). So considering what had already been done to Freddy, I can't feel too protective of him at this point. I'm only annoyed that they have a great actor playing Freddy and might be starting him off with a Die Another Day when he deserves a Golden Eye or Casino Royal. So finger's crossed. And I agree with everyone as well about the cool stuff being the new stuff and the old stuff has a real Psycho remake foreshadowing.
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Seriously, this looks like mung.
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With AICN's tough view of people who steal movies, glad to see you have the balls to come out and say just what you do on a regular basis knowing they have your IP and email details. Keep it up, you goof.
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It's campy and funny, unintentionally so in many spots, but also unsettling and thought-provoking. It was all wrong for the franchise but still worthwhile on a variety of levels. I think the remake teaser is quite good, but there's no need for a remake or a new Freddy. BTW the F13 "reboot" needn't have been a reboot - but it was the best Friday The 13th film in at least 20-25 years. The "pre-credits sequence" manipulation was masterful.
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Sep 29, 2009 3:13:45 AM CDT
Talkbacker with no name, LIKE I GIVE A FUCK YOU KNOB!!!
by carlthormark1978
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to prove it
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JUST SAYIN. this horror stuff is a turn off btw.
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"Idea’s that this remake has shunned for surface level gloss which does nothing to disguise the fact that everyone involved in the production of this movie is a hack from the Producers to the Writers and the Director."
Again can I buy your time machine because it seems you've seen this movie. Let me ask you, in 2010 will we finally have flying cars?
In all seriousness you,like the rest of us,have seen two trailers for this movie,so how can you tell the tone from that? Look i don't mean to pick apart everything you say because this is a talkback to share ALL opinions but when you start bashing peoples tastes in movies thats where it becomes disrespectful. Maybe you don't prefer remakes or Michael Bay movies but I do to an extent. I like turning my brain off and having a glimmer of fun with these things. I happen to think TCM (2003) was BETTER then the original because of what the original didn't let you see. Contrary to your belief people are starting to see the crap coming out of H-wood as just that,crap. By the way I really enjoyed Halloween (2007) and didn't hate H2 (thats the best compliment I can give it). The difference between me and you Che is that I've never downloaded a single movie in my life. Because of your stupidity H-wood refuses to make anything resembling art,why should they when we refuse to pay to appreciate their work?
In the end,Fuck downloaders and the immature grown ass people that don't get prosecuted.
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He seems to think he is just stealing from 'the man'. The crews that work on these (good and bad movies) put in more graft in a week than most of us do in a year. Basing the quality of the movie as an excuse for theft is completely moronic! Support the fuckers or don't watch it!
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Sep 29, 2009 7:45:21 AM CDT
DOES IT COUNT IF YOU DOWNLOAD STUPID SHIT NOBODY WATCHES ANYWAY?
by bringingsexyback
Like Stargate?
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ha no that doesn't count
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Sep 29, 2009 7:54:16 AM CDT
THE TRICK IS TO MAKE SOMETHING SO GOOD YOU *WANT* TO PAY
by bringingsexyback
to see it, especially in the theater. For me, this summer, that movie was G.I. Joe. Thought it was gonna be stupid harmless popcorn fun, but damn did it make it worth your money and while.
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Sep 29, 2009 8:04:00 AM CDT
IN SOME CIRCLES, THAT'S KNOWN AS "DELIVERING THE GOODS"
by bringingsexyback
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...was BETTER then the original because of what the original didn't let you see."
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Started off cool, then a what the fuck is that at the end? Sure I guess it looks more realistic, but it was just sort of gross not scary. Too much trying to look like a real life burn victim or something. Glad to see they got a highlander to be the one to bring the pain to Freddy.
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My fave of the sequels. At the time I thought it was rather tepid and dull. When I picked it up and watched it on DVD a few years ago I hadn't seen it in over a decade. Whereas I earlier hadn't noticed anything gay about the film (other than the gym teacher), this time it was like "Whoa! Hang on! WTF?"
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One problem with these movies is they showed freddy very clearly more and more often as the series progressed. Craven himself did it in New Nightmare. The first one is bad ass partially because of how shadowy a figure Freddy is. Plus he started to joke too, too much as the movies progressed.Anyway I hope they don't show his face too much, and I hope there's a goat at the beginning. That was great.
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Can someone come up with a new and original horror villain? Please!
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and old news are better than no news.
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Sorry, Doc, I gotta agree with Meta4. I rented TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE because it was the one Holy Grail of horror I'd never seen, many summers ago, and I ended up shutting it off after only a little while because it was NOT WELL-MADE AT ALL AND WASN'T EVEN REMOTELY FUN. When I got to the movies, I want to be scared - not simply disgusted. Watching people crawl around in piles of chicken bones is not my idea of a good time. TCM wasn't scary. It wasn't disturbing. It felt like watching someone's crummy home movies or s YouTube video made by some 13-year-olds. It didn't feel real to me at all. it didn't feel like anything. At least the remake told a story. The original felt like just the biggest pile of unpleasantness, but it didn't leave me disturbed. It felt like when you've got a plate of food, and you're watching tv, and you spear a piece of asparagus without looking and think it's that sweet and sour pork you've got on the end of your fork, and when you bring the fork to your lips, you get the taste and texture of the asparagus when your brain says it should be sweet and sour pork, and suddenly even if you like asparagus then in that moment asparagus is the nastiest taste on the planet, because your brain wanted to taste and was anticipating the delicious pork. That feeling, that sort of sickness in your stomach, is how I felt watching the original TCM. That's why I shut it off halfway through. Ugh. What an ugly movie.
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Babyface is SERIOUSLY bad-ass. He's similar to Jason, but he's not exactly Jason. Still, HE IS SERIOUSLY BAD-ASS. I'd love to watch Babyface beat the shit out of the supposed new face of horror Chromeskull. What a joke Chromeskull was! Again, BABYFACE IS BAD-ASS!
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This looks pretty damn stupid. I'll say it again. Nightmare on Elm ST 1 is the scariest fucking movie of all time. Especially if you were an impressionable teenager the first time you saw it. The only thing that gives me confidence is the fact that Jackie Earle Haley is playing Freddy, that's it.
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No, I'm not surprised that people will watch a movie that they think might/will be crap.I just fundamentally disagree that it provides an excuse for piracy. If I care enough to seek out a movie and spend two hours of my life on it, then I should care enough to put up $8 (to see it theatrically) or $1 (on video).People who claim to be self-policing Hollywood by refusing to pay are only legitimate and effective if they are avoiding the film entirely. If they're downloading it illegally, then it's just a load of dung spruced up to smell like activism.The irony is that this kind of behavior is not really going to advance their professed agenda, anyway. The studios are well aware of the rampant piracy problem, and they're not going to interpret theft of their films as a lack of interest. They won't try to make better films--they'll just try to figure out how to get all the loser pirates to cough up the dough.
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... plus the voice over and the blade glove only won't carry a movie, anyway.
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would have been better also IMO. This Freddy v.2 should be wearing something in the other hand, too... Or maybe, move around in rollerblades instead, with actual blades on it for ass kicking gore!!
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EDIT would be MODERN.
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I have a question. I never download movies which are still being shown theatrically or which are available to purchase on DVD. However, I do download shitloads of OOP DVDs, as well as VHS, LD and TV rips of movies and shows not commercially available. Does that make me a "loser pirate" too?
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Dude... TCM is not supposed to be "fun".
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I saw the original a couple of years ago, just after seeing the Nispel version for the first time. I wanted to be able to honestly compare the two.
Urgh. As you say, whatever suspense there may be is basically just drowned in unpleasantness. The sad thing is that the makers of the original TCM probably intended the viewers to have that sick queasy stomach feeling - not real fear, just nausea that anyone could be so interested in what these sick inbred bastards do to each other that they'd go to all the trouble of immortalising it on celluloid. I really didn't get the point of the original TCM - is it just to make us all feel sick? Because it wasn't THAT scary... Just grim and disgusting.
I can acknowledge its place in horror movie history, and the fact that it started an entire new sub-genre in horror... but that sub-genre has peaked (well, hit its nadir, I suppose) with Eli Roth's HOSTEL movies. Sick shit for the sake of sick shit, nothing more to recommend it (including an interesting story).
Now Nispel's remake - nicely shot, atmospheric production design... and Biel's jiggling breasts. High praise indeed. -
kinda reminds me of Rob Zombie's Halloween remake, extra stuff at the beginning, but the climax follows it through shot for shot. I was always a fan of New Nightmare though, Jackie Earle Haley will be the real reason to watch this. Freddy has laways been the real reason to watch the Nightmare movies, so it would be cool to see the menace returned a little bit. Was that Clancy Brown I spied as well?
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What was it about the story in the remake you liked better than the original?
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Okay, TCM is not meant to be fun... what IS it meant to be?
I probably went through all this with you and M-O-M back in the Eli roth torture porn TBs years back, but - y'know...
What I think Spymunk and myself are getting at is - what's the point in watching something whose only meaning is to make you want to puke? There's no narrative creativity in TCM; no great twists in the plot, no especially poetic monologues etc - just a straightforward chase movie with young people being attacked and butchered.
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Well, I rthink the story in the remake TCM was pretty much the same as the original - it's the way it was presented that I liked. Like anything Bay has a hand in - the production design IS the movie... which can be a good thing, if the production design looks fantastic.
Some nice camerawork, great cinematography, jiggling Biel boobage, R Lee Ermey... Don't get me wrong, I have the same concerns for Nispel's movie I had with Tobe Hooper's: what is the point of this, again? to each their own - but I don't get the point of going to the movies to feel sick to my stomach. I can just go on Rotten.com or any number of sick-ass websites with videos of sick things happening to people for that. But to spend time and money crafting something whose sole intention is to make you want to puke...
I didn't really learn anything about the human condition in the two TCMs that I didn't really already know - just that some sick bastards find it interesting enough to make a movie about.
Now SAW - I could make a very good argument that those movies have merit other than how cool the kills are, simply by the fact that narratively they are VERY creative - not to mention, they have some VERY interesting twists, and each movie reveals more about the ones that came before. They're like the torture porn versions of the Bourne movies - they REVEAL more as they progress. There's a narrative creativity in there that's sorely lacking in most other gorefest movies. I think too many people on these TBs are too busy hating on SAW because the AICN staff do, to stop and realise how great the plotting and writing actually is on those movies... -
...what was it about the remake's story that you liked better than the original's?
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sorry mate, but the original Texas Chainsaw is fantastic compared to the original, I'm a little confused that a horror film is suddenly required to have poetic monologues. TCM is an experiment in terror. Don't get me wrong the remake is okay, but the original is an amazing film, for me the rough nature of the flick, the bad acting and scratchy film give the film this gruesome dirty feel.
The original TCM's goal wasn't to make you puke, the film is an experience in horror, pushing you in that direction.
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by the way, my argument meant to have started with 'the original Texas Chainsaw is fantastic compared to the remake'.... damn editor gone walabouts again.
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Yes.It's illegal, plain and simple. I'm surprised you even had to ask the question... but, then again, we *do* live in the land of self-entitlement (or, at least, I do). The land where everyone should be able to have whatever they want just because they want it.Never mind all of the reasons that copyright law was developed--DocPazuzu's Video Collection is missing something important, so let's all change the rules.There is no such thing as victimless crime.
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Tell me exactly who the "victim" is I'm robbing of cash when I download, say, an obscure TV movie recorded on Betamax back in 1981 and which has never been released in any type of commercial format and hasn't been seen on TV since?
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Sep 29, 2009 12:30:16 PM CDT
ThusSpakeSpymunk, anyone who turns TCM off half way through is e
by talkbacker with no name
a big pussy or a tasteless mother fucker with not one ounce of geekness. If I had my way you would be banned from here forever for even admitting that shit, bud.
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Enforcement, coupled with a penalty that anyone conviced of piracy gets their computer taken away. These jerk-offs live in their parents' basement and have no life nor job. Taking away the computer eliminates the problem. I advocate this constantly. Take their fucking computers away.
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Right, because getting a new one is so damn hard.
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You're a hypocrite, Doc. You claim to love cinema, want to destroy it with piracy AND on top of that you claim not to ... want to ... see ... things ... you're watching. Sounds like you have fucking impulse control problems, dick. If you don't like it, don't watch it - you don't get both, you Bizarro-World-sanctimonious dipshit.
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Really? How so?
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How will I, or anyone else for that matter, even know what a bad film is if they never watch one?
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GREAT dissertation, but it's lost on these motherfuckers. What you forget about fanboys nowadays is that not only are they the outright dumbest people on the planet, but they're also the biggest racists and sexists and homophobes you'll ever meet, who couldn't figure out subtext in anything - ever - becasue they aren't capable of looking beyond "AWYEAH" OR "COOL!" That's as far as it gets into the thickness of their brains. They're a fucking lost fucking cause.
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Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy
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..the Box office returns for both Star Trek and Transformers 2 are primary testimates.Not that I endorse piracy, but Hollywood has been ripping off the public with shitty movies less than recently.
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"Tell me exactly who the "victim" is I'm robbing of cash when I download, say, an obscure TV movie recorded on Betamax back in 1981 and which has never been released in any type of commercial format and hasn't been seen on TV since?"Well, for starters, there's the rights holder. Whether you want to recognize it or not, if a work is copyrighted then stealing it is illegal. It is a breach of someone else's exclusive right.A second possible victim is the person--let's call him "Johnny ObeysTheLaw" for argument's sake--who would like to one day purchase that same material legitimately. Through piracy, you're eroding the possibility of a legitimate release ever happening.Now, you may suggest that stale or dated material should be exempt from this type of scrutiny. In that case, you'd be correct, and we already have laws that indicate when materials cease to be afforded protection and enter the public domain. Until then, they're copyrighted, and circumventing the system isn't an appropriate response.What you're suggesting is some kind of home-brewed grass roots thievery where anyone can determine on his own initiative that certain material doesn't "deserve" the protection of the law. How do you propose such a system would protect the rights of creators?As an aside, I'd like to point out the humor in the fact that all piracy discussions online seem to ultimately lead to the fervent assertion that poor, innocent pirates just need to protect their right to download decades-old television broadcasts and obscure phonograph recordings. Nope, no misdirection here at all, folks.
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...you aren't original. Looks like you've cracked the case, boys. There's nothing genuine left in Hollywood anymore. You've just won a life supply of NOTHING.
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I agree. It's no different than shop lifting. Who do they think they are kidding when they say that's all they download or "I've paid my share to hollywood over the years". But let's say that "but it's rare and unreleased stuff" is the thevies argument, then they should support the indie video stores and then maybe there will be a chance of it being released (as you said). It's not just directors, actors and studios that are being paid on a movies release. There is no defence for it at all. If you do it, just admit you are a thief or are they incapable of any fucking honesty?
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Like the new Friday the 13th - yeah, it LOOKS good, but everything else about it sucks ass.
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forget that worthless shitty show named BSG and forget that stinkhole called LOST. now its STARGATE UNIVERSE's time to shine.
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But that's neither here nor there. Don't mind me.
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Bullshit.
Firstly, if there's a copyright protecting a made-for-TV movie that hasn't been broadcast since 1981 then a law is being broken if that film is downloaded, of course. What I asked you, however, is who the victim of this broken law is. If there are no measurable damages inflicted upon any party how can there be a "victim"? Yes, a law is being broken but in a case like that there is no form of harm taking place--economic, physical or otherwise.
Secondly, your "Johnny ObeysTheLaw" example is ludicrous. I can think of several examples where movie studios have been goosed into releasing something officially because they were losing out on potential cash to downloaders--the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy being the prime examples. Do you really expect anyone to believe that the high quality laserdisc rips freely available online had NOTHING to do with Lucas finally caving in and releasing them on DVD?
The main reason films aren't released on DVD is because rights holders make an economic calculation on each title. If a movie is too old or is felt won't appeal to their targeted market, they won't release it. If the very same movie is ripped from another, out-of-print medium (VHS, Beta, laserdisc, etc) or TV and finds an audience online, the rights holders will reassess the situation because there is no suddenly money to be made. This is how capitalism works. Demand and supply.
Like I already said, I don't download anything that has any kind of monetary value in another medium. Whenever something I have downloaded becomes an official release I'm the first person to pony up the cash for a pristine copy (like with Monster Squad for instance). Furthermore, I don't make copies of out-of-print or obscure movies and sell them, nor do I pay anyone else for bootlegs. The only people robbing the rights holders of cash are the ones who sell second-hand, out-of-print tapes and discs or make and sell bootlegs.
I don't smoke pot but I do think American pot laws are stupid and don't feel offended if someone smokes a homegrown bowl on Friday night--regardless of what the law says. I'd ask you if you've ever broken the law or continue to do so in any capacity, but I'm pretty sure what your answer will be regardless of the truth. Applying some sort of Judge Dreddian interpretation of the law regarding something as thoroughly harmless as downloading fuzzy AVI movies that nobody has seen for 25 years, much less ever paid money for in any format is downright laughable. -
"then they should support the indie video stores and then maybe there will be a chance of it being released"
That's ridiculous. I buy tons of movies in both the big outlets and in small, obscure stores. Trust me, I don't care how many copies of La Moustache are purchased in small video stores, it's still not going to get Killdozer released on DVD anytime soon. -
Sep 29, 2009 4:15:19 PM CDT
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR PRINCE'S SIGN O' THE TIMES DVD RELEASE
by bringingsexyback
But Warner's apparently does not want my money and they want to punish The Kid. So to that I say ...
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Warner's actually has an awesome service these days. Rather than sit on minor titles indefinitely, they release a bunch of films on demand only. So if there's a title you want, you can express your interest on the site. If enough people want it, they will make online order DVDs in small numbers for those who are interested. In fact, I just recently purchased The Bermuda Depths on DVD, thus supplanting the crappy AVI TV rip I had.
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Many fans speculate that they're holding it back as revenge against Prince, but that's kinda stupid. It would sell silly for mucho bank. I'll check out their site - thanks.
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1. If you are violating a copyright, then you are directly affecting the rights of another person (i.e., the rights holder). This is an injury, which makes that person a victim. If you knew anything about copyright law, you would know that no proof of damages is required--the mere act of infringement implies damages, legally. You can self-justify until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change anything. Self-entitlement is never a very strong platform for advocacy, which you are illustrating very well.2. The fact that piracy has occasionally provoked the response that you desire does not make piracy legal, and it does not make it victimless. Are you suggesting now that criminal activity is the best way to effect change?3. You have ignored the question I posed: How does your proposed system of vigilante valuation protect content creators? If you're truly sold on your position as the appropriate solution, then show us how it would work. I suspect the real answer is that you don't care what effect your actions have... you just want to keep the selfish blinders on.4. Have I ever broken the law? Yes, I have. I've been cited twice for speeding. I also drank alcohol when I was a minor. Honestly speaking, I continue to moderately speed on a frequent basis.The difference between us, however, is that I'm not suggesting that I should be allowed to speed due to some contrived, half-assed and self-serving philosophy. I'm willing to admit when I'm in the wrong, and I try to limit transgressions when I'm able.
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Nope, Doc. It's still illegal. Just because you don't like the law doesn't change the legality. One of my favorite things you pirates do is say "Well, that law is stupid, so I'm not going to obey it." FUCK you. FUCK YOU again. Now I know why that reviewer lumped you in with the other fanboy turds. PIRACY IS THEFT. Just because you don't think it should be doesn't change the law, doesn't change the fact that you break it when you MAKE or WATCH pirated movies. Yes, you heard me - manufacture of drugs and distribution of drugs and the ingestion of drugs is all equally illegal IF THE DRUG IS ILLEGAL. But the drug dealers think it's a bad law. So what? It's still illegal. So, pirates - 'fess up if you're a criminal - A FUCKING CRIMINAL - and answer truthfully, that you basically don't want to pay for movies and download them instead, you FUCKING THIEVES. Fucking CRIMINALS. There. I've said my say.
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Did you even read my post? I said that copyright infringement IS breaking the law.
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Yep, I read your post. You may be admitting it's breaking the law, but you won't admit being a lawbreaker, like most internet fuck pirates."Like I already said, I don't download anything that has any kind of monetary value in another medium." That's what you said. Trouble is, fuck, you don't get to decide whether or not something has monetary value. That's for the copyright holder to decide, and the rights holder is the arbiter too of how much it costs to get a copy. You lose again. Arrrr, matey. If you download illegal material, you're an intellectual property thief and an intellectual property criminal, no matter how many justifications you come up with on the matter. So just admit it and move on if that's what you are, but don't try to sugar-coat it with all kinds of excuses and justifications. You know how they tell the difference in prison between the guilty and the innocent? The innocent flip out when they're accused of a crime, while the innocent try to apply justification. Look in the rules for how to spot liars and internet fuck pirates.
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"While the guilty try to apply justification." Sorry, you internet fuck. :)
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1) As I've said, I'm not an advocate for piracy of material which is causing anybody to lose revenue. I DO NOT condone the bootlegging or downloading of commercially available movies or TV shows.
2) Well, I'm glad you're admitting that your "Johnny ObeysTheLaw" example was speculative and pointless. I never said downloading obscure, 30-year-old, made-for-TV movies which have never been commercially available was legal. I simply said that it I'm not going to lose sleep over breaking a law which isn't causing any actual, measurable harm to anybody (other than in the legal sense).
3) I didn't ignore your question in any way. In fact, it's a variation of the Star Wars example.
Let's say the director of an obscure, 30-year-old, made-for-TV movie which hasn't ever been commercially available, desperately wants his old film to be seen in order to scare up some interest either in him or his work. He may not even want money for it, but because the rights holders (if someone other than the director) don't see how his old movie is going to make them any cash, they decide to sit on it forever. Suppose someone (maybe even the director himself) uploads a fuzzy AVI of a Betamax recording of his film. As it's seen by more and more people, perhaps interest grows. This interest becomes noticeable, even to the rights holders. Chances are they'll then lift the lid on that film and release it commercially. If that happens, fantastic. If it doesn't happen, at least his movie isn't lost to the ages due to monetary greed.
4) Straw man argument. I never said I should legally be allowed to do anything of the kind. I simply said that committing that kind of crime really doesn't have me concerned since the only "victims" and "harm" involved are of a strictly philosophical nature and not applicable to the real world other than whatever punishment a court would see fit to sentence me to.
Bottom line, G-Fist: I'm aware of the illegality of downloading fuzzy, 30-year-old Betamax AVI rips of obscure, made-for-TV movies which haven't been seen since 1979 and have never been commercially available in any format, but there's no way in hell you or anyone else can convince me that it's morally repugnant. -
You really are a moron, aren't you? If a law is being broken, the person breaking it is a lawbreaker.
Was that supposed to be hard or something? -
"You know how they tell the difference in prison between the guilty and the innocent? The innocent flip out when they're accused of a crime, while the guilty try to apply justification."
Surely, if they're in prison they've already been accused of a crime, guilty or otherwise?
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Despite being curious, I never downloaded the work print since I considered it a work-in-progress even if it wasn't commercially available. I felt that downloading it would hurt the film, even if I had no personal interest in its future success or failure.
As many times as I've been fucked out of my money at the movies by Hollywood, I don't consider that kind of action an appropriate way to get back at them. And considering how much I hate Fox, that's really saying something. -
But I'll be back tomorrow if the debate goes on.
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There IS no debate. Internet piracy is illegal and it's wrong. You're stealing from the people who created the material when you download movies, music or tv. There's no argument to be had!
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Apart from the "oh, yet another movie filmed in deep-blue-o-vision" (which will be the Dated Look of the 2000s, mark my words) dismay of the opening moments, I was pretty intrigued by that first little bit.But as soon as the exact same shots/scenes we all recognize from the original started popping up, the air went out of the balloon.It takes one kind of moxie to think, "I can do this better than the original folks did". It takes another kind to think, "I'm going to use their same ideas, shots, and settings, and still think there's a reason to make this movie."(Note: that second kind is also known as, "room full of suits, accountants and lawyers are sufficiently convinced that this will have a good opening weekend and turn a profit. No other issues are discussed.")This looks like it could very well be the best of all the "re-imagined" (i.e., regurgitated) horror properties of recent years--and still be a worthless pile of dung with no real reason to exist. If the filmmakers haven't addressed THAT issue in making it, it will fail.
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I'm actually surprised you got on me for my TCM comment and not the Halloween comment. I would like to clear up something. It's not that I hated the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I was just so overhyped from people that had already seen it, you'd think it was the be all end all of horror. I watched it all the way through and thought "Jesus that was a long movie" and it wasn't, matter of fact I think it was shorter then the remake. I didn't love the remake but thought it was more fast paced for me and really was the only time where I felt the camera work helped a film. I thought its prequel was boring crap that explored a trail already blazed. Just because an idea is brought to life,doesn't mean it cannot be further elaborated on to improve its shortcomings (Chess is a perfect example). Oh yeah and Fuck downloaders,thanks to you H-wood has been giving the greenlight to crap like Norbit since 1997.
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1. Original
2. Dream Warriors
3. Freddy's Revenge
4. New Nightmare
5. Freddy's Dead
6. Freddy vs Jason
7. Dream Child
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It is a full screen mess iwth faded colors. It had import stamped on it which I guess is fancy name for bootleg
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Sep 29, 2009 8:55:49 PM CDT
I WATCH FREE MOVIES IN THE BEST BUY HOME THEATER ROOM
by bringingsexyback
Fuck the MAN!!!!!
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Wish I had that. You wanna rip and upload it for me?
I KID!!!!!!! -
or should I be charging my friends and family and remitting royalties to Hollywood? I'm very confused here.
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My question to him would be, why doesn't he just sign up for Netflix? Millions of movies right in your mailbox. Why steal? Idiot!
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Now stop your whining.
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that makes me believe for a second that this should be remade. Honestly, what are the new elements?
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can someone upload it in youtube?
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