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A Cool Viral Site + A New Panasonic Commercial Are Both AVATARiffic!!
Merrick here...
A rather impressive AVATAR-related viral site has now fully launched. It's called AVTR.com (HERE). Looks like it'll be a pretty good introduction to the "universe" of the film.
Also, a Japanese commercial for Panasonic televisions features a few new shots from the film. We've previously learned that Panasonic and the movie were allying to bring us an AVATAR multimedia roadshow (details HERE).
You can view the Panasonic/AVATAR ad via the embed below:
Is that James Horner's music from the film playing over the commercial?
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... been wanting to do that since '97!! Anyways. Avatar. Still not sold. Sorry again!
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But it can't beat Raiders, the film which all others should be judged against.
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I never got that
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I'm waiting to be retinally defiled like the filthy little sci-fi slut-whore that I most assuredly am.
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I mean, come on - look at the shots so far. I've no doubt the effects will be amazing, mindblowing - but you know, they were pretty good in the prequel trilogy and that was shit. This is blue Thundercats enacting a futuristic Dances with Wolves. I'm not optimistic, let's put it that way.
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... and to all who have tried for so long to post first in a talkback, believe it or eat it, the day I first registered here, I had TWO first posts. How's dat for some manly shit? But seriously, I really am looking forward to this next JC production and if I am less than thrilled with it, my disappointment will know no depths.
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Hes first to say he doesn't have an idea and that hes first to try and look intelligent by saying the first thing. Shame its retarded.
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...I think James Cameron is trying to exress how much they like each other.
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...Curses!!! Again, my apologies for the multiple posts... Anyhoo, as I started to say, that Asian in the Panasonic ad is fine, very fine indeed.
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Sep 21, 2009 5:44:52 PM CDT
Some has gone seriously wrong with the marketing of this film
by snallyg
What happened to the mystery? The anticipation? The tide started to turn, I would say, even before the underwhelming (yup) trailer. I guess negative fanboy chatter doesn't really matter because everyone's going to see it anyway. But if mainstream media starts running stories about a potential Insert-Bomb-Movie-Here (Heaven's Gate, Waterworld, etc) and some middle aged lady at the office goes, "Oh I'm not seeing that. I heard it was a stinker" than its in trouble. I highly doubt this will have the mass appeal of Titanic.
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You're def. right about this movie's appeal as compared to Titanic. But you're also def. right that this film is about as impervious to negative fanboy chatter as any other. I'll bet this movie is in the black by its second weekend of release. But even Cameron has said he's never going to try to live up to "Titanic" expectations. And why should he give a fuck? He's richer than God and can do whatever he wants, even if this film dies.
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Fuck it, I'm not going to work to get advertised to. I'll just wait and see the movie fresh with no preconceptions when its released.
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What if on other planets, the way to express affection is to put asses together and exchange juicy lentil farts?
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Amazing!
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..has blu-ray quality..even after several times played in slo-mo (for facials and such)..fuck it..its a slow day and tb'ers are my friends..
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I mean - who am I to second-guess James Cameron? I know. But still... everything seems to have misfired. I can honestly confidently say that no one outside the geek community knows this exists (yet), certainly on these shores, and frankly "From the Director of Titanic" doesn't seem the hook to hang the hype on. True, it was huge. But I don't think time has been kind to it - it's become on of those films you can't really ADMIT to liking. Here's hoping they kick into high gear soon. This needs to be marketed - via a new trailer, FAST - magazine and TV and features - you name it, as a huge, big, fuck-off, action-adventure marvel. The first trailer, sorry, made it look like a weird cartoony romance movie. The more I think of it (I'll watch it again)... just an odd, ODD trailer.
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Sep 21, 2009 6:30:35 PM CDT
Wow if that's the music- Gaydar says they're in the room!
by rubiks doob
This is shaping up to be Cameron at his gayest. If you couldn't stand the more maudlin moments of The Abyss, that's what this movie is looking to be a celebration of, bitches.
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"Let me see if I have this right, that old woman was just a big liar!" "And a bit of a tramp, too."
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Best username ever.
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zzzzzzzzz
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Sep 21, 2009 7:00:25 PM CDT
When it comes to dialogue and story, Cameron is not that great.
by evangelion217
But he's very good at telling a good story, with real substance and characterization. I really admire the man, and he's vastly superior to George Lucas and Michael Bay at this point. So I hope "Avatar" will be a terrific ride. :)
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I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy the movie and it'll probably be awesome, but it could be a final fantasy: spirits within type bomb if they continue marketing it like they are. They've got a giant sci-fi extravaganza and they're screwing up every possible opportunity to sell it properly.
Viral marketing on this should've started a year ago like with The Dark Knight, NOT 3 months out.
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also lol this commercial was lame. But I'm not blaming that on Avatar. It just felt like a really cheesy commercial, and the clips they showed on the screen weren't flattering.
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in that clip they showed. I'm iffy on this. I'm hoping James Cameron really shows fucktards like Lucas and Bay how it's done. But this film is starting to look cheesy as hell.
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AICN is kinda slow lately, huh? This thing has been in MARKET SAW for quite a whilleee now.
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with a smile like that, you know she leaves no oriffic entry uncocked.
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A choir named Libera. I am not sure which song. But Libera was on KQED. Them little kids can sing.
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Box Office Bomb or Box Office Boffo... either way this movie's gonna rock. LOVE the shot of Neytiri (or whatever her name is) flying on the beast around the giant tree... LOVE it.
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...was also in Kiyoshi Kurosawa's incredible KAIRO (PULSE).
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Burt Ward
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The real stuff looks way cooler than the CG shit. If they just peppered the commercials with CG instead of making them the focal point this movie would be much better off. The idea of restraint is completely lost on Hollywood.
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That we should wait and watch this turd at home?
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Sep 21, 2009 9:58:24 PM CDT
THIS MOVIE IS COMING OUT IN 3 FUCKING MONTHS AND......
by carlthormark1978
We've seen fuck all except a completely underwhelming trailer.
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@ MacReady452
Well said, couldn't agree with you more. Live action is the way to go, CGI works best when it's used to enhance live footage. Hollywood abuses the technology and sadly CGI has gone hand in hand with laziness. I still think the best CGI I've seen is in Jurassic Park, and that was like 17 years ago, cuz they took time, used REAL artists that put blood sweat and tears into making quality work. -
on a flight to New York last year. I remember looking at this guy as he read his USA Today wondering where the fuck do I know this guy from? Do I owe him money? Does he owe me money?
Anyway, The plane landed as we were clearing our luggage from the over bin it occurred to me. So I had to ask him.
"Excuse me but were you in a movie called The Hard Way?"
He paused and looked at me and responded, "Yes I was.....
"Wow" He proceeded,
"That movie is over 15 years old. You got a good memory."
I then said " Yeah--You were that creepy ass villain that was harassing James Woods! You were awesome!
"Thank You" he says with a mild smirk
..."James is a good guy."
Then he mentions Micheal J . Fox and how cool he was.
He entertained me as I discussed some of my favorite scenes from the movie.
I then ask him, "So what are you working on nowadays?"
I'm doing this movie called Avatar....
Ohhhh... I responded.
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just agreed with you in another TB
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Get to see the second of the 2 required previewing movies for Avatar. Delgo was brutal and an awesome look at the history of the Navi. Battle for Terra is going to show us the human's side and their plight. Also I heard that the Alien technology Cameron found under the ocean he used in the flight scenes in Terra and is close to what he wanted for Avatar but he had not quite cracked the technologies full potential yet. Then with Avatar we get to see what happens when the two worlds colloid! OHH man I can't wait Avatar is going to kick so much ass! Between Delgo and Battle For Terra, lies Avatar. December 2009 Only in select IMAX theaters, the ones that are no longer showing A Christmas Carole which came out over a month ago.
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Did I hear that correctly? Can someone verify that?
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But I hope that AVATAR will fucking rock. Well, hopefully it'll be my number two behind DISTRICT 9 this year.
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Will reinvent the way movies are experienced Epic masterpiece mind-blowing Photo-realJaw-droppingCGI unlike anything you have seen before Like dreaming with your eyes open Revolutionary Cameron's Lawrence of ArabiaGame-changerThis generation's Stars Wars Unlike anything you have seen before Truly amazing Prepare to be blown away Breathtaking Like a highly addictive drug that had left my mind yearning for more Can't stop dreaming about it This movie had activated parts of my brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films
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Which is bullshit as Cameron pisses away money like no tomorrow. I'm guessing the REAL budget is 300 million plus while who knows how much is being spent on marketing. But lets say it was 237, they'll spend at least 100 mill which brings it to 337.
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Who the Hell OK'd this?!? I don't care if this this does fuck your eyeballs...there is no way it is gonna clear $500M based on what I'm seeing.And Motoko is right...Titanic only did what it did, because WOMEN/couples saw it multiple times, and dragged their boyfriends/husbands/girlfriends along with them. I was a victim of that very phenomena; but I don't see this happening here...I predict a few Golden Parachutes, and some mid-level folks looking for work come early January. Heads are gonna roll.
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I wish Cameron all the best...but this fucker might just end his career. $237M....for a Sci-Fi flick with no pre-existing track record...really...fuck me Jimmy...you gots some balls and a way with your finance people is all I can say.
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You can't compare the costs like you would a normal movie. Avatar is to 3d what the SONY PS3 was to BluRay. They're dumping a hundreds of millions of dollars in a gamble to establish a new format.
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This movie is teasing us way too hard and too long, cant wait for the REAL AVATAR DAY.
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You're not excited to see a new sci-fi film from the director of The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and Terminator 2? I guess you have Sherlock Holmes and your Transformers 2, Terminator Salvation and Star Trek DVDs to fall back on...
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the two 'aliens' don't kiss in the trailer, they merely touch each others foreheads. But that's what the internet is great at, looking at something and taking some giant, totally inacurate extrapolation from it.
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What frickin difference does the production cost make? The cost of a ticket stays the same!And, is it just me, or is the framing more open in those shots. Are we seeing the full 1-85 3D ratio here?
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The music in the ad is the song Far Away from the boy choir Libera.
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NO WAY is that his music
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there's a bit of a prissy no balls approach to selling this thing. i want to feelt the thunder of horners aliens escape music (but not those particular tracks) on this thing and i want to feel like i just got a glipse at the most mind blowing visual drug ever. there are a hundred Ps3 trailers that are on par with what I've seen of avatar
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i had heard a lot of good stuff about this film,i managed to watch it last year but it was a big dissapointment for me.i dont know maybe i was expecting the next ringu,but i ll give it some day one chance again.
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You're right. If the story is solid - and Cameron has a great track record with this - it should do good business. Very few notable BO bombs have been very good (Long Kiss Goodnight being an exception, IMO). In fact most expensive fiascos were terrible scripts (BattleField Earth, Cutthroat Island, Pluto Nash, etc)
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stop hating and shut the fuck up!
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Cameron working again or not. Some of here see cinema as a total package...not just something that is "cool", but rather as a business that is also an artform; and at $237M before marketing...that is some very expensive are...and an incredible risk for everyone involved. If this fails...there will be a witch hunt against anyone tied to this thing, lots of jobs and careers hang in the balance; Shareholders don't just say "Better luck next time Jimmy" to an over $300,000,000.00 loss.
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When something like GI Joe can make $150m domestic you can bet that Avatar will be taking in a whole lot more...
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And you're doing a good impression of one of them. Why should I be excited over this? I mean, genuinely - give me a fucking substantial reason that isn't fanbot Cameron worship? Because it's 3D? Big deal. I'm sure it'll be impressive in how it looks but as there's no 3D Imax near me, I'll be seeing it in plain old 3D - as will a good 70-odd % of it's audience. Because it's Cameron? So what? Kubrick made clunkers from time to time - Jimbo is impervious to this is he? Because it's a big-budget sci-fi spectacle? So was the prequel trilogy, and look where that shit got us. No, give me a real reason - something about the story, the design, the cast. Oh, whoops - the design looks ridiculous, the cast is led by a plank of fucking wood and the story is a bigscreen, blue Pocohontas meets Kevin Costner. You know, the film could well be fun. It could well be enjoyable. It is not however at present appealing to me in ANY way based on the material seen, the storyline explained so far. I'll be waiting to see it until reviews have come in, and then only if they're MOSTLY positive because frankly, I save cinema visits for films that excite me. DVD for the rest. If it IS great, I'll be happy, and I'll accept I was ultimately wrong - but the simple fact is what's been shown so far isn't a blip on the horizon for most cinema goers, and worse it's PUT OFF a lot of Cameron and sci-fi fans in general. Sorry to shake your world there. Coming in a year where D9 hit, this has got a lot to live up to and a lot of damage control to get on with already.
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Seriously I'm sick of all you morons praising that shit so much. There was a far better sci-fi film that came out this year and it was called Moon. Watch it bitches!!
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I'm not a fan of the alien design (which is clearly a major part of this film), but I'm sure it will at the very least be more entertaining than the likes of almost every summer film we got this year (if not all of them). That's good enough for me. I just want a fun time at the movies again. Which I haven't had since The Dark Knight and Return of the King before that. I'm fairly sure that Cameron will deliver that good time.
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Not sure how that equates to D9 being shit though. It gets praise because it was a great film that a lot of people genuinely enjoyed. If Moon had had a wider release, it would have had more praise too - and both movies I have an inkling are much more satisfying science fiction films than Avatar is going to be. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - but I'm not optimistic for the movie.
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but it was no kind of masterpiece.
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You should be looking forward to Avatar because it is not a sequel, a reboot, a comic-book movie, a prequel or a remake. It's an original. Ok, so Cameron has borrowed elements from previous sci-fi literary and films but he's taking a gamble. And you should give him your money for that alone. Plus the fact that the guy made the 4 best sci-fi films of the past 25 years. But if you want to diss the guy based on 1 minute 30 seconds of footage go right ahead. Personally that shot of the gunship flying past the Hallelujah Mountains was enough to get me excited.
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Moon was OK, but D9 was much better. Moon was just a bunch of old 70's sci fi movies rolled into one. It was like QT made a Sci-fi film minus 300 pages of dialog. D9 was just so awesome because it was fucking R for a purpose. You don't see R movies like that anymore.
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David Bowies son. I bet 90% of their conversations were about THE MOON. The fucking movie is the directors cut for the music video of Space Oddity.
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Its only real competition is Sherlock Holmes the following week which will come and go at the box office, and in January, nothing decent is being released. Not a single film. Avatar will do huge business. Cameron need not worry about his future.
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Yeah but why will some IMAX theaters still be showing A Christmas Carole? WHY! I fucking don't know how that buisness stays afloat.
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Sep 22, 2009 12:54:44 PM CDT
Christmas Carol might make a few dollars on Christmas day...
by chakraborty
...from the yokels who like to watch Christmas themed movies on Christmas, but since it comes out Nov.6, most people will have seen it and be sick of it by then, and generally by the time Christmas rolls around, people are so sick of it by then that they prefer watching something else.
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So get me the head of IMAX and have him fucking explain to me how his theaters manage to stay in fucking buisness?
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to break even by traditional accounting methods this thing will have to pull about $400 Mil. By Hollywood accounting of course it'll never turn a profit.Not saying it won't...but it is NOT on the lips of the general public like Dark Knight was..the Hype is almost exclusively amongst people like us...and that may not be enought to propel it into profitability by box office alone.
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I hear what you're saying. But I think a lot of kids will be doing repeat business. I guess we'll see in three months...
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Your saying Avatar isn't a direct to VHS CGI movie sequel to Battle For Terra? Your fucking jokeing me right? That shit is going on the big screen?
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Sep 22, 2009 1:51:39 PM CDT
Kwisatz - previews are meant to excite people, not put them off.
by hint_of_smegma
I don't dispute the current, unending stream of remake diarhorea from Hollywood is a curse, of course it is. Fully onboard there. But your logic that I should support a film that to me looks unattractive based on all the material I've seen of it so far, simply because it isn't a remake, makes no sense. I love Cameron's previous work, minus Pirahna 2 of course, but feel he started to go off the rails with True Lies (entertaining, but completely inferior to Abyss, Term, Aliens) and while Titanic was a massive smash because it appealed to audiences across the board, it wasn't a brilliant film by his previous standards. The design of this onscreen so far looks RIDICULOUS. The mechs shown look daft, the glowing nighttime forest is a bad idea visually as it turns the night shots into a cartoon and that shot you love of the gunship flying? That and the horde of gunships pulling an Apocalypse Now moment just made me yawn - more CGI overkill to me. The Na'Vi may be the closest thing to photoreal CGI put onscreen, and that's a great achievement - but it doesn't take away the fact they look cartoony and childish in their DESIGN. That alone is going to put a lot of people off, the way Doc Manhattan did for Watchmen's trailers and their uninitiated viewers. Someone said Sherlock Holmes debuts the week after Avatar does, is the only closest competition and will bomb quickly. Are they kidding? It's getting great press and it's Robert Downey Jnr and Jude Law. That's both genders of viewers catered for right there, it's going to do huge business. Avatar so far only a minority know about, even fewer care about and you know it. It's marketing kicking in will pull in the casual sci-fi crowd and a lot of them will be put off too - because if hardcore JC fans are already thinking WTF is this, what do you think the average viewer is going to think? There is no way this is going to pull back it's budget until it's been on DVD for a looooong time. This is no Titanic moment - the only question left is "Is it actually a GOOD film?" and so far it doesn't look like it. I really, really, really hope I'm proved wrong on that score at least.
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Reminds me of 2002.
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...the AICN readers who were unimpressed by the trailer will be unimpressed by the movie, but that says absolutely zero about the ultimate success of the film. Most AICN readers haven't yet figured out that they don't represent the average moviegoer. Most people don't know about particular films until at or around the time they come out. Talk to people in your office or workplace about movies that people at AICN have been talking about for months or years with them, and they'll have no idea what you're talking about. Yet, they're the ones who are going to make Avatar a phenomenal success. AICN readers have to come to terms with the fact that their opinions mean next to nothing with regards to the box office.
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was the citizen Kane of comic book movies lawl. Also District 9 is just a good summer film. If it was released alongside The Dark Knight last year who would be talking about it? Nobody. Moon will be remembered longer I hope, it's much more thoughtful. District 9 was just a fun gore-film.
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It's going to be a fun time. Cheesy blue-elves vs. fucking mechs and choppers. In an original (albeit clearly influenced) property. Why shouldn't we be excited?
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Some good stuff in there, but way too long. Damn, I am glad I waited for the DVD.
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...are EXACTLY the geek demographic that Avatar is aimed at, because it sure as hell isn't aimed at Mom and Pop and lil'Tim in the heartland. And as it's pretty much ONLY the geek demographic that's debating this film right now, and a large proportion of them are put off, you're kidding yourself if you think the average cinemagoer is going to pick it over Sherlock Holmes or some such.
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With a name like yours, I got a mind to think that you're one of them dirt worshippin' heathen cocksuckers...fuckin' Shiva and the like.
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One, Watchmen was way too long...did we really need the ridicules sex scene..Ok..I like naked chicks too..but really..ridicules, uneccessary and took you out of the film... And two, the Avatar viral site sucks a load of early 2000-ish ass...really bad, cluttered, horrible graphics. Makes me believe they blew their wad on 3D CGI and had nothing left over to market this show.
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Sep 22, 2009 2:58:11 PM CDT
Oh...and at luch I talked to some Average non-movie fan types..
by conspiracy
here at work..the casual movie go'er like 90% of the population are. They had NO CLUE what Avatar was/is.
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And you seem to be one of those moronic inbred sister-fucking redneck motherfuckers
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...Sherlock Holmes than Avatar in terms of box office???? I'd wager money that you're wrong. RDJ is, again, loved by geeks and the AICN community because of Ironman, but the public doesn't have the same love for him. It's a Guy Ritchie film. Sherlock Holmes should consider itself lucky if it comes in a close second to Avatar.
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I've talked to the people in my office...and none of them have every heard of Avatar, nor do they remember what T2 is. But they tell me Paul Blart Mall Cop is probably the funniest movie they've ever seen! So should I go out and buy it now? Based on their recomendations?
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...is that the trailer didn't look photoreal. The public won't give a shit about that. They'll be of the opposite mind thinking that for a partially animated film, it looks comparitively better than other animated films. When it comes to the geek anger to things like Avatar or Indy...a lot of that anger is because of all the countless hours wasted in anticipation of the film on Internet messageboards. The general public hasn't wasted their time in that fashion so they have a different reaction.
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Holmes, John Holmes that is. No but really, even nerds are more excited about Shitlock then seeing James finish his trilogy.
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Absolutely not. But that's precisely the point. Box office has absolutely nothing to do with quality. So if AICN readers want to predict that the film will lack certain qualities, that's fair, but if they think that will translate to poor box office, then they have learned little from all the time spent talking about movies.
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Said that the 3-D in The Hole and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, (Chance of Meatballs good screen name by the way) is better then the 3-D in Avatar. And he's only circling the drain so I'll believe his eyesight.
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Who am I kidding. I'm the one recomending Paul Blart to everyone! I saw it in theaters ($1 theater) and I saw you there so don't act all high and mightly like "OH I WOULD NEVER SEE TRASH LIKE PBMC!" YOU were SO there, doing meth in the back with the other drugges that hang out that the $1 theater. Seriously talk to 99% of the people you run into, 100% of them don't give a fuck about movies until the day they come out....unless your still in high school. All grown ups care about is this odd thing called Football (never seen it). And between that and other things revolving around balls is all grown ups seem to talk about. I'm only 12 so I don't know of such conversations.
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bother me much. It was just that goofy scene at the jail with Rorschach squeezing people's arms and shit. Was that really necessary?
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Takes it off in everything (so does Patrick Wilson, wink wink!) so its old hat at this point in her career.
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No one will be talking about Moon in a year. Shit not even Sam Rockwell is talking about it, now that he is done with the DVD commentary.
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What I seem and what I am does appear to be entirely fuckin' lost on you. Sister fuckin' probably wouldn't go over too well in Deadwood. Even amongst the Celestials who've been known to cast a curious glance or two at you dirt worshippin' hoopleheads.
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I don't speak redneck, so I didn't follow
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Pretty good sci-fi action but once again I say it's disposable. Moon's way more ambitious and the better film. Too bad it didn't have fucking Spielberg or Jackson backing it. And also AintitShite wanking off to it like they did to the Watchmen (oh those few months pre-Watchmen were unbearable).
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it was just a purely boring film with some awful performances. Zack Snyder shouldn't be allowed to get work. I'll argue that Blomkamp at least deserves the accolades he got for District 9 (although I'm not that big a fan).
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The first fucking tag line in the trailer is from Harry Knowles......ummmmmmmmmmm when did that review/push ever happen?
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Are both equally ambitious. I thought D9 was a better movie then I had heard. Same with Moon. Just I would watch D9 again before I saw Moon again.
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Are you seriously telling me these guys don't have any early reviews? Early screenings haven been happening all over the country, what the fuck.
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Redneck? Is that what you call an Englishman who runs a saloon during the 1870s? If so, then I do abide. Never mind the fact that you appear to speak cocksucker more fluently than some of my whores.
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Book bags
Holographic Lunch Boxes
More Book Bags
Action Figures
Video Games
Spin-off Cartoon Network series about the NAVI
7 eleven collectable Holographic Cocoa Muggs
Did I mention Bookbags?
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Sep 22, 2009 4:21:14 PM CDT
Chakroborty. I have NO hopes for Sherlock, personally.
by hint_of_smegma
I am merely pointing out a fact - it has two leads who currently attract the WHOLE demographic of cinemagoers - Jude Law for the females of all ages whether they want to mother him or jump him, and Downey Jnr for the blokes who want good acting and a proper bloke in a main lead role. Plus all the women who want to jump him. Guy Ritchie has a name that is higher in the mind of the average viewer than Cameron's is at the moment, whether they like him or not, and the very idea of a Sherlock Holmes movie has a history in people's minds that draws them. Avatar has a couple of quality actors, but no-one who is a big draw on their own, and when you compare the story of Sherlock Holmes and Avatar, Holmes is the one that appeals to more people. I think you are going to be very, very disappointed by Avatar's performance - it's going to have a great first week thanks to the geek squad, but after that, it's only hope is good word of mouth - something that made D9's success go on and on. If people are put off by the design of the film, the story isn't going to save it...and if the story is unnappealing too, it is going to limp through it's box office run beyond that first week. DVD is where this will live, if anywhere - and another point, you are right, the average viewer doesn't care about the CGI - quite the opposite - most people are sick of it in anything other than full-on animated movies like Pixar. In a big budget film aimed at adults? People are fed up with it, and also most people are STILL put off by the 3D gimmick. Avatar has got a bigger mountain to climb than you want to admit.
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So I did an imdb search and saw that Al Swearengen is a character from a tv show. So he's some socially maladjusted loser pretending to be a tv redneck. Guess he thinks it makes a suitable cover to allow himself to make racist comments and blame it on the character. I don't watch a lot of tv, so if any other maladjusted dorks want to pretend to be characters from Battlestar Galactica, Lost, or other shit they've wasted countless hours of their life on...I'm not going to understand that shit, either. This is one of those moments when I realize I need to stop posting in talkbacks. I get them every so often.
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The number one movie over the weekend was Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs. When families go to the theater, they'll see anything animated as along as it's PG, and usually the parents have to suffer through it. If the adults can enjoy it, too, that's a plus, so Avatar would win opening weekend from the families even without the geek dollars. Combined it will build. Plus, it's the holiday season, so families rule the box office, and it will be all about what families can see together. Sherlock Holmes is going to put the kids to sleep and thy will not want to see it. And while ladies might swoon over Jude Law, even they tend to be bored by him and don't come out in full force for his films. Sherlock Holmes will be seen by moviegoers who have already seen Avatar, but there's no way it will top it or come anywhere close.
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Night at the Musuem money.
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Riiigghhhttt.
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it is worrisome that with 3 months to go til Avatar hit's the screen, this is the best that the publicity machine can put forth. Granted, it doesn't have a lot of other competition as far as genre movies are concerned, but you have to ignite the imagination of the average filmgoer right now in order to get them to spend their money on a movie during the holidays. They have options for their entertainment spending, particularly in a bad economy. I would have thought that we would have heard a bit louder rumbling from the advertising juggernaut that is James Cameron when he has a new movie coming out. As far as I can tell, nobody but geeks know that Avatar exists. This flick needs a half billion bucks to break even, according to most sources. The teaser didn't exactly have me gaga, but it does look like the sort of movie I'll go to the theater and watch once. As for my associates and family members, if I hadn't told them about it and shown them the trailer online, they wouldn't know anything about it. If it's a blockbuster, Cameron owes me some loot.
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from "nothing else matters" to "wellll... maybe it'll be almost as good as District 9". I guess he/she saw that trailer. Yikes.
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Many of the Imax theaters are not digital, and therefore do not have the capability to play a film in either digital, and subsequently, 3D formats. Also, many of them stay in business as they are owned by cities and parks departments and don't have the more strict demands of a public or commercially owned theater. They will make their bucks showing documentaries to kids in school and will be paid by the school systems. Not as worried about turning a profit as they are covering their operating costs.
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join in the debate about D9 and MOON, but MOON didn't play in my town. I like D9, though. I guess I will shut up. I know that will make at least one of you happy.
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Come on... a few slow news days in December will be devoted to the return of the Titanic director. That long break will pay off in spades as far as free marketing via news stories reminding us that he hasn't made a movie since becoming "King of the World". And a lot of writers at newspapers and magazines ARE geeks at heart and so will want to devote a lot of space to this film. I see quite a few magazine covers in Avatar's future come December. You ain't seen shit yet... this thing will be so oversaturated marketing-wise in the four week lead-up to the release that infants who haven't yet learned to speak will know the date it comes out and which theater they should see it in. HOWEVER... I think it could go either way. This movie will either be HUGE or it's going to be the biggest bomb of all time. Remember, the press couldn't sink their teeth in on Titanic (which they wanted to do... they're fucking parasitic piss ants who love misery and failure), so they will do all the digging they can to find out what the fall-out and actual money spent/lost on this film amounts to. This movie will be considered a failure if it doesn't break $300 million. Even then, it's gotta make a shit load on ancillaries and DVD to get a return on the investment. That's assuming it's a good movie... from the trailer, there's a very strong possibility that its a turkey. Much more than I would have thought BEFORE seeing the trailer. Then again, the trailer for The Phantom Menace should be the poster boy for not judging a movie by the trailer, so perhaps it will still fuck some eyeballs... it's all speculation at this point, so who knows? The only thing I do know is that it's an exciting time for genre fans!One more thing - CHAKRA - I totally agree and have never heard it said better. The moviegoing public DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT A MOVIE UNTIL ITS RELEASED... they don't sit online, twirling their mustache and wringing their hands, wondering if their eyeballs will get fucked for months, nay-YEARS, IN ADVANCE. For most movie-goers, there are ZERO expectations for this, so it merely needs to be good and somewhat entertaining in order to get the audience's attention. The problem is that peskily ginormous budget means that it needs to pretty much break records in order to break even.
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I saw the 15 min preview 3D thing, and I enjoyed it, but I'm kinda bored by this whole thing.
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Sep 22, 2009 6:47:25 PM CDT
Some good talk here...But I think the one thing we can all agree
by conspiracy
is that sink or swim..the Furries will make James Cameron their new God. Man...if you have a little money to invest...put it in Blue Fun Fur. And if you own a Hotel where they are having a convention..invest in bleach, you'll need it to get the blue ink out of your sheets.
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I'm not saying Holmes will make more money than Avatar overall, but it IS going to steal it's thunder that second weekend. Avatar will have a great first week, whether it's as good as is hoped, who knows. But Holmes WILL take away a lot of the casual cinema goers from that second weekend onwards and if you don't think that, you're simply blinkered by your hard-on for Avatar. Unless Avatar's reviews are uniformly stellar, it is just not going to entice the amount of regular joe's it needs to make it a finacial success during it's cinema run. And to Chakraborty - yes, parents take the families to animated films - but this isn't being sold as one, and it's got a rather large amount of violence in it. Not going to be a big family draw. Like I say, it's got mountains to climb.
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said people would nt go watch a film based on a very famous historical event where everyone knew the ending. It also was very expensive, there was no mass hype in the mainstream either. It was widely predicted to be Cameron's Waterworld and that it would end his career. And then it only opened to 30 mil, it seemd to be a massive bomb. But then A really strange thing happened. People just kept going back to watch it again and again. And well we all know the rest. Its amazing what short memories people have, and all these b.o "experts", especially "fanboys". I will laugh my ass off if history repeats itself, because all the backpeddling will be damn funny....
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have been bitching, moaning, and crying about how "over-hyped" this film is (apparantly they dont understand the meaning), and now they are all moaning, bitching, and crying at how there isnt enough hype, how they better get on that thar advertising soon. God, Fandom..its too funny and full of shit at the same time. Imho Cameron has done everything exactly right with this film as far as advertising it goes. He is nt wearing out the public with a constant bombardment of stuff, he has created a situation that will make the film a real suprise for the general movie going public. Its only the internet dorks that have been obsessing over all geek films for years in advance and building it up in their heads for all this time that will be having hissy fits...
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Fucker always racks on fanboys, but you know he's probably ordered his Avatar tickets already.
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preview footage either. I ve actually mostly stayed away from things to do with it, I am really anticipating it, but Im not focusing on and over analysing every little ridiculous thing like many here are. Also, you may have noticed that I put "fanboys" in inverted commas, meaning all the bitter, cynical, whiny, and full of shit geeks, as in people I dont consider to be real sci-fi/action/fantasy fans anymore. Its more about their personal agendas and said bitterness and cynicism. So unless you count yourself among that group, I really dont know what the hell you are getting your panties in a twist over Lock. I though we were cool, but if you want to go back there.....
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fandom, what I refer to as "Fanboys" that always bitch about how idea bankrupt Hollywood is, but then when something new comes along, they are nt prepared to give it even the slightest benefit of the doubt. Or if its weird looking (and what is weird but a proxy for original) and they cant immediatly put it in some preconceived category, They just jump on any ridiculous shit they can in a competition to see who can out-juvenile the other. And have all these loud opinions, even though they are quite ignorant of what they are talking about (i.ethat guy that went on for months about there being no guns in Avatar even though those of us that read the old scriptment knew there were plenty, though he refused to believe it, and lo and behold we have seen many guns in pictures, footage etc...). All these "fanboys" want in reality is movies made from the toys/video games they played with as kids. Or they want reboots/prequals/reimaginings etc..What I call their nostalgia blowjobs. Thats why I have said that Fandom deserves all the shit Hollywood gives it, Monoply the movie? bring it on. Facebook the movie, why not? remake Jaws, Sure....Fandom will bitch, but deep down they will feel warm and fuzzy because its all so familiar and they can briefly relive their childhood...
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...people getting their faces melted off, a guy's head exploding, or someone gettling their face filleted by an airplane propeller as in Raiders of the Lost Ark...or Luke decapitating Vader on Degobah, getting his hand chopped off, and countless sci-fi type explosions and such that we all watched with our families as a kid. And parents would much rather watch Avatar than suffer through the Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel.
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good points. I m also not sure why some think this will be a kids film because as you point out sci-fi/fantasy films generally get away with more violence, as per all your really good examples. And judging by the old scriptment Avatar will probably be pg-13. There is certainly violence and killing, but a lot of it involves aliens, alien creatures, and the mech armour....
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completley contradictory nature of a large segment of fandom. Its truly damned if you do, damned if you dont. Thats why I say that Cameron must just stick to his guns, keep doig things his way, and forget about what the internet nerds are saying (lets remember these are the same people that were crazy about snakes on a plane and Watchmen, but they could sustain neither at the box office). Its ordinary film watchers (the vast majority) that will matter here. And as you say no-one can predict these things, we really are going to have to wait and see what happens. Will it be Cameron's Waterworld, or the next Star Wars? Who the fuck knows?
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Cameron is being smart not shoving Avatar advertising down the public's throat for months in advance, and I for one appreciate not being made to feel like I have already seen the damn movie, or at least all the best shots/scenes. That teaser (and lets please remember that its a fucking teaser trailer, nothing more) is the tip of the iceberg. 2) As you say at least there will be no mtv style editing, overuse of close ups, and shaky cam. And we will be able to easily follow the action while understanding the geography of it....
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Ten to one the lead Blue Elf has that big Black Rhino looking thing in the trailer as a pet attack monster for the thrilling final stand montage with him and his pooping dragon fighter.
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I hear you, but you're assuming that Cameron won't deliver the goods. If Cameron is on form the word of mouth on Avatar will be incredible. I, for one, think it will be a really involving adventure film/love story, especially if you're a kid or teenager. I don't think Cameron has anything to worry about. Some fanboys on the internet complaining about blue aliens isn't likely to bother Jim Cameron one iota.
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Sep 23, 2009 10:39:20 AM CDT
I just want this to succeed so Cameron can keep making films...
by thewaqman
this man re-entering the summer movie market is extremely exciting to me.
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