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NBC Kicks Off HEROES’ Fourth Season Monday!! Were Screeners Sent Out?? Can The Cheerleader Be Saved??

I am – Hercules!!
NBC sent out screeners for “The Office,” “Parks and Recreaction” and even “The Biggest Loser” but I think – THINK – this is the first “Heroes” season premiere that was not sent to any member of the press for review. Are we to assume then that tonight’s two-hour fourth-season debut is no good at all? The fact that the series’ best writer – "Dead Like Me"/"Wonderfalls"/"Pushing Daisies" creator Bryan Fuller, who penned "Company Man" and "Cold Snap" – departed the “Heroes” staff (for the second time) in mid-June does not inspire confidence. People are still watching “Heroes,” we just don’t know how many. While ratings have been plummeting for at least two years now, I sat in a huge San Diego ballroom this summer full of fans who screamed quite loudly as series star Milo Ventimiglia made his entrance. It’s going up against the two-hour season premieres of two much healthier shows – “House” and “Dancing With The Stars” - as well as the season premiere of “Two and a Half Men,” which is TV’s highest-rated sitcom, so it's probably fair to expect some ugly numbers landing in the Peacock executive suites Tuesday morning. Depending on the quality of tonight’s installment, this may be my last “Heroes” post ever. Take up valuable bandwidth with your predictions and reactions. 8 p.m. Monday. NBC.
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  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:26 a.m. CST


    by mparke2


  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Heroes Needs to Succeed

    by wampa_one

    If for no other reason than so that other, better shows of its kind can be given a chance. Oh & FIRST!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST


    by wampa_one


  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    The first 3 episodes will decide fate of series

    by mparke2

    If ratings don't pick up, and actually drop from episode to episode, expect NBC to go ahead and axe the show.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST

    That's the season with T-Bag, right?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Or was it already last season? I stopped watching after S1. Maybe I will rent the DVDs later.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST


    by Fievel

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:47 a.m. CST

    I think it needs a nail in the back of its head

    by MonkeyManReturns that it can die. I like Heroes. I like its concept. I like its idea. I like the actors. I like what the crew - the people we don't see - do with the show. But I don't understand the quality control. I don't understand why the writers keep on coming up with nonsense week in week out. I don't understand why someone isn't there checking to see for errors and mistakes. Is there an exec involved who won't stop butting in? Is that the problem? Is there no-one with balls enough to keep the writers in check? Is that the problem? Why is such a show, which could be great, be allowed to crash and burn so badly. I look forward to this season, as I expect it to be the last. But as a fan, I would like some answers. I would like someone on AICN to talk to the writers and find out what went wrong. I want to know, why no-one approached comic book writers for their insight - they could have changed the show...imagine Frank Miller or Neil Gaiman writing this show? Heroes could have been great, should have been great....but is sadly, not. I don't understand.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    They did approach comic writers, MonkeyManReturns.

    by OBSD

    Unfortunately, they writer they approached was Jeph Loeb, one of the worst comic writers of all time.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:54 a.m. CST

    No press screeners is never a good sign, Herc.

    by PennsyDeux

    For those who still watch, I hope they turn the corner. But this could be the final season for them.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST


    by dance4days

    Heroes has already succeeded. Four years on network TV really is nothing to sneeze at even if it's slacking creatively and in the ratings lately. And I'm sure that its success has been a contributing factor for genre shows still getting greenlit on network TV.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    the truth about heroes

    by cifra

    ... is that it's the TV show that no one likes to admit they see. Ratings are low, but internet downloads of the episodes are huge, so its popularity is undeniable. Till they give us another superhero drama, it'll work among fans. Jim Lee X-Men's was godawful (specially in comparison with Claremont's collaborations with Byrne and Paul Smith) but still sold millions.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    We usually argue relentlessly, but I concur. This may very well be the last season. But the final half of S3 was very good, and 320-323 was fantastic. So there's still hope... even if it's a fools hope.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    If Heroes dies, there won't be another superhero VS for a long time. And I want a DD TV show. So come on Heroes.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:08 a.m. CST

    but cifra

    by Talkbacker with no name

    this show isn't even x-men comics at their worst! I got bored after season 2. They dropped the ball when it came to hiro in japan. What the fuck was all that about!? Was season 3 any good?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Hiro in Feudal Japan isn't even close to the worst part of S2. Maya & Alejandro is.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    As for S3, Villains veers from good to mediocre depending on the week. Fugitives is much better, with two eps (320/323) that are fucking brilliant.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Why is "Two And A Half Men" So Popular?


    I watched one episode and thought it was utter shit!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    320 especially

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Shows that there's ammo left in the tank. Yeah, Fuller wrote it - but the acting and build-up made that episode as much as the writing did.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore

    by Talkbacker with no name

    yeah and if they fucked up the hiro story (arguably the best thing about the show) saw the rest. <p>I'll watch the dvd if I come across anyone with it I guess. I realyl wanted to like this show. The first season was a good start.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST

    If they just hadn't made Peter and Claire related

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    They'd have had a strong central love story they could build on that would have helped get it attention and fans. Not that the focus would be on their relationship all the time but that kind of thing as an extra does sell tickets so to speak.<p> Jeez it's impossible to talk about this show without slipping into a litany of everything they screwed up. Sorry guys.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's background TV.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    I think it's worth pointing out

    by Talkbacker with no name

    That people really do want this show to good. The fans are rooting for it. The non fans want to like it. Somebody somewhere is beng a fucking idiot. With all the resources they have and it consistently disappointed. I don't get it.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    They knew Claire and Peter were related from the start. One of the snags of the same cast every year, their core story rocked in S1 but past that... you're stuck with them being related and can't move past that.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I've dug the show for all three seasons (despite criticisms I have with it), and I do concur that some people want to like it... but after a point, I just have to shrug. <p> Is it as good as S1? No. But people make it sound like it's a Carrot Top vehicle.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Don't plan to watch

    by American Mythos

    I wish this show the best, but it gives episodic TV a bad name.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Well I think it's a bit unfair

    by Talkbacker with no name

    it's given chance after chance but things like firefly get one shot and that's it. But yes it's not bad tv. Just deserves to be much better.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    I know. sorry. I brought up the F word

    by Talkbacker with no name

    In a heroes talkback.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    I'm bored with the characters


    That's right b-o-r-e-d.<p>There's zero character progression. Sure, there's character regression but no progression.<p>Hiro started as everyone's favourite geek but has now become the show's comedy element. His power wasn't thought out enough and so they actually took it away from him! So now he's just a whiny guy with a Japanese accent who says silly things all of the time.<p>Peter is the same douchebag we met in Season One, blindly stumbling through situations with that 'What the fuck?' expression on his face, only he's now less interesting due to his power constraints - a result of the same idiotical forthought as Hiro's powers.<p>Sylar keeps dying and coming back it seems. Sure, they gave him some backstory with his father but that was just a diversion so he didn't spend the entire season doing the same thing over and over again. Do people really like Sylar? I thought he was great in Season One when he was the faceless boogeyman freezing and burning his way through the 'superhero' population but now he's just a tired gimick.<p>Claire...ohmygod, Claire. She might be the dullest character on the show - well, she might be if Peter wasn't also in 'Heroes'. Everytime she's on screen, whining about why she can't have a normal life, i fight my own heroic battle against the tide of sleep.<p>Nathan dies pretty much every season simply because nobody likes the character, but the writers are too afraid to get rid of him.<p>HRG is the only character i've liked all of the way through the show. The actor playing him should be somewhere more suited for his talents.<p>Christ fuck, i really wanted this show to work. It had such a great idea and certain elements were brilliant (the way in which the episode names were written like comic book text for example, or the build-up to Linderman's reveal) but they've let me down pretty much three years in a row now. I feel like a rape victim who keeps crawling back to the rapist and asking for more. See what you've reduced me to, Heroes? Fuck you!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Oh, I'd agree with that. Firefly deserved better.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I concur. My brother raises the same point. The continuity is there, but the characters aren't changed that much from S1. I'm hoping the S3 finale feel redeems this.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Best example to give is Buffy

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Where Xander, Willow, Cordelia and Giles all evolved from S1 - S3. They noticably changed.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore


    I don't accept that reason! There must be something - SOMETHING - that I'm not seeing about 'Two And A Half Men'.<p>It stars a complete fuckwit who writes imaginary interviews with President Obama, accidentally shoots his wives and takes drug overdoses.<p>It's about as funny as waking up to find someone's shat on your face.<p>The world has gone mad.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Mr Zeddemore


    My previous response was in regard to your first post about 'Two And A Half Men'. Though I'm sure you realise that.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    More importantly, Can this Show be saved?

    by My_IQ_is_135

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    From the first episode, Heroes has always been...

    by ackack

    overly pretentious. That's what made me stop watching and now I'm glad I did. Oh, and since this is a TV forum...I guess I have to say...Supernatural. Yeah, I don't watch it either.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Buffy is a great example


    The characters certainly progressed as the show went on. If only Joss Whedon had been involved with Heroes. What an amazing show it might have been! (For the record, i dislike 'Dollhouse' and so i'm not a Joss Whedon Fanboy or whatever the fuck they're called - i simply refer to the fact that Whedon has a much firmer grasp on story and characters than anyone currently involved in Heroes).

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Firstly, I hate Dollhouse. <p> Second, Joss and Tim Minear running Heroes would've been great, but it wouldn't have took off like the original did. </p> <p> Two and a Half Men... cocaine's a Helluva drug.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:54 a.m. CST

    'cocaine's a Helluva drug'


    Then there's far too many housewives with white powder on their nostrils. Any world where 'Two And A Half Men' is the number one sitcom, is a world where the war against drugs has been completely lost.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:59 a.m. CST

    The Fight Choreography on this show sucks...

    by Mr. Profit

    It's an action show. There should be credible looking action on it. Whoever is in charge of the fighting should be shot. They lost me with the supposed to be EPIC but was really EPIC FAIL Sylar vs Peter brawl at Kirby Plaza. When the Sydney Bristow vs Evil Francie brawl shits on a fight between 2 super heroes, you have problems. <p>Season 2 was just silly with Peter's EXPLOSIVE CASE OF AMNESIA and the Cheerleader blood being a cure all. The main problem is that the writers just have way too many ideas that are somehow never true to the characters. Peter blows up a bank vault when he can walk through walls? Come on. <P>But again, this is all shit that has been talked about on here before, so I'm not saying anything new. The show should have really just started from scratch and pulled a "The Other 48 Days" and showed other folks developing their powers during the eclipse. But instead have them actually do things that Heroes do. Counting on Milo and Hayden to anchor a show (when they are arguably the 2 weaker actors in the cast) was never a good thing to do from the start.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    Could have been a better show if Dushku wasn't the lead. She is great as a supporting character. But not a convincing lead. She isn't very likable aside from being attractive. Joss was ace on Buffy and Angel. But I'm not feeling Dollhouse. But it surprises me how many genre shows haven't thought to copy the very accessible Buffy formula of a big bad each season with many standalone and other episodes that progress to the Big Bad showdown in the finale. Buffy is a show that has a lot of annoying ass STAN's, but it honestly deserves more credit for really being true to it's characters for the duration of the time it was on the air.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    AINC's constant hand job to Bryan Fuller

    by shutupfanboy

    Pushing Daisies got canned for a reason. Also, it wasn't that great of a shock Mika was Rebel and that Traci was going to die. That was set by other writers. The problem for last season was Sylar/Nathan fiasco and the lack of money to show the big fight. Lack of money due to fan bitching. Heroes is going to face not as bad competition with the early start. Plus, its the most illegally downloaded show on TV beating the beloved Lost and House. The ratings are down, because the fanbase is more media savy then the older people who watch Dancing with the Stars and House. I don't expect a huge number, but it will do better then Chuck which will be the choice at the end of the year. Chuck blows.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's not an action show. The Lost Pilot had more action than Heroes Pilot did.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    As for the amnesia, yes it's a plot device... but there's a character who can give people amnesia. So it's trite, but within the shows logic.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Oh, and self-promotion

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Daredevil Virtual Series (i.e. fanfic, in script-form) -

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Two and Half Men

    by Judge Briggs

    HOW IS THIS SHOW THE HIGHEST RATED SITCOM? See, Americans are getting dumber by the day! Only more proof!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    What have the ratings been like?

    by JuanSanchez

    This has to be an expensive show, yet I've heard the ratings aren't great - what's the deal?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men

    by jameshardy

    For some reason, even over here in the UK, this seems to be Comedy Central's (yeah, they screen it in this part of the world) most advertised show, with the ads even branding it 'the funniest show on television.' For fuck's sake, Comedy Central UK is the channel that ALSO screens THE OFFICE (US) and SOUTH PARK. The fuck is wrong with the world?!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Judge Briggs

    by TheManWhoCan

    I know! Its such a lame sitcom its always on back to back on comedy central.someone has to be fiddling with the ratings, its hard to accept that it been the highest rated 3 years (i think) in a row!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Judge Briggs

    by JuanSanchez

    It's simple, actually. NBC, the former top network for sitcoms, went in the crapper due to poor management. Meanwhile, CBS built Monday night into their sitcom night with shows like Everybody Loves Raymond. CBS becomes the #1 network and has remained #1 for some time now. Their Monday night lineup is the only successful night for live-action sitcoms on all of network television. Two and a Half Men is the night's longest running show and appeals to the widest audience. There you go - #1 sitcom.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Two and a half men is the USA's highest rated sitcom.

    by Smashing

    What a total shan.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Stop watching midway through season 2

    by slave to the one

    And I don't care to pick it back up!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    No More Heroes for Me

    by Captain RawBeard

    I can't watch it anymore, it's not even a shadow of it's former self. The show is dead to me.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Two & A Half Men

    by wampa_one

    Features crass humor & hot chicks. No wonder it has an audience in America.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Is it possibly too late for Heroes, regardless of quality?

    by Kevin Holsinger

    I'm a fan of the show, and will gladly watch tonight's premiere. But I've heard people in the past say that this isn't the kind of show you can just walk into blind. Too much backstory.<p>So is it possible that, even if this is the best season of the show EVER, it's going to end up cancelled because it can't attract new fans, and lost many of the old ones?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    It's seriously amazing how bad they fucked this show up

    by Itchy

    It started off tacky and shitty. Right around the part where they had present Hiro (who sucks) meet future Hiro (who looked awesome) was it's high point. Ever since then it's been careening off the road, with terrible acting, nonsensical plot lines, irrational characters and declining production values. I don't think it can be saved. And it's almost amazing to think they screwed up a weekly show about super-heroes - it seemed like a full on home run idea when it premiered.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Kevin Holsinger

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Each seasons is basically standalone. Hell, each volume is. People can jump in at any point.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    117 'Company Man' was the high point. One of the best eps of a TV show ever.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men is popular because...

    by Mr. Profit

    CBS programs shows that appeal to their older audience. Their older audience powers many of their shows for higher ratings shares. The audience for Two and A Half Men doesn't download the show on iTunes or on torrents. They watch when it is on. But the Neisen rating system is very flawed.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    re: most illegally downloaded show on tv

    by turketron_2

    Didn't Tim Kring say something to the effect of you're an idiot if you watch Heroes live? Or am I mistaken?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by hst666

    I agre with your statement generally, but TV advertising still accounts for the bulk of a revenue that a show earns (at least last time I checked) Therefore, it doesn't matter to many advertisers or the network whether Heroes has triple the total audience of 2.5 Men if it only has half the non-time-shifted TV audience.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore

    by Kevin Holsinger

    It's kind of hard for me to judge this, since I've been watching since Volume 1. But thinking back to, say, Volume 4...if that had been by first glimpse of Heroes, I'd have had no idea who Doyle was, or what the deal with the glass shard melting in Sylar's head was about, or how Tracy was familiar with Micah.<p>I know the seasons are basically self-contained, but I'm just worried about them not being self-contained ENOUGH.<p>I don't want Heroes being cancelled, but it's stuff like that which makes me think it might be inevitable, regardless of quality.<p>I hope I'm wrong.<p>On an unrelated note, I'll check out that Daredevil thing when I've got the time. So thanks for the link.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men still on the air?

    by Series7

    Can't wait to see how they reboot Heroes this year.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by PennsyDeux

    For when he gets here, hopefully, later on today. :)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    turketron, his exact phrase was 'saps and dipshits'.

    by PennsyDeux

    Great way to win over the hearts and minds, Tim.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Company Man

    by Series7

    What fucking episode was that? What happened? I haven't seen a single episode of Heroes that would even land in the top 100 episodes of tv of all time.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    ah, thanks for the correction Pennsy

    by turketron_2

    *updates to the latest version of Azureus*

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Heroes is still on the air? It's House Night!

    by gad

    Really now, Heroes with it's 'vision' of killing off a hero a week killed me off as viewer after the first season and every year they say they've 'gone back to the roots' of the show. But, those 'roots' were wrong to begin with, the reason it was cool the first year was because of what the viewers thought it could be and then when that never happened we wandered off. Who cares - the House season premiere is tonight! That show is worth watching, Heroes not so much.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    How can you sell a show....

    by cookylamoo

    Where the lead character is a crazed serial killer? Syler isn't nearly as much fun as Dexter.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Does this mean we can finally get HOUSE talkbacks?

    by SpyGuy

    Personally, I think a discussion about Olivia Wilde's hotness is a much more productive use of everyone's time, don't you?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by zillabeast

    I quit on this show two years ago, myself. Can't say I'll be sad to see the TB go.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Heroes sucks cock

    by thatpussywonteatitself

    The only time I liked Heroes was in the first season and even in that season the final few episodes sucked ass. The Only reason I may consider watching this train-wreck is becoz of the prospect of some lezbo action between the cheerleader and the other girl.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    People still willingly

    by MidnightMeatTrain this shit?<p> The true tragedy is that Journeyman only got one season and this bullshit got five.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    *fourth season*

    by MidnightMeatTrain


  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Heroes needs a reboot

    by veritasses

    with a new creative team, new cast etc. I've never seen anything with this much potential butchered by someone so offensively incompetent...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    one writer doe`s not a series make?

    by Snikkar124

    I wonder who we will find is related in this season? who we knew was dead,but then really wasn`t...even if they deffinetly were..

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    2 and a half men


    I was in vegas at the back end of last year, and the small amount of tv that I did catch included trails for 2 and a half men, and the carrot top live show that was on at the time in the town. Now I love Americans and know that you guys are intelligent people, who can produce and consume such genius as Curb, South Park, The Office, The Simpsons etc, but FUCK ME 2AAHM and Carrot Top are some terrible shit. Forget anything socio-political, it is lapses like this that cause the rest of the world to think you guys are thick as shit. Make a stand for your own sakes, please.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Herc why don't you watch supernatural?

    by MisterBadia

    Its consistently good and better than a lot of these shows. And its done in the vein of Buffy X-files and Angel. I really think you'd love it.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Hey Miyagism

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    I don't watch 2AAHM and Carrot Top needs to be shot, but I SURE as fuck don't care about what the rest of the world thinks about us.<p> And Badia, don't waste your breath, Herc's too insecure about his sexual identity to watch a show with two male leads.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I want this show to be good.

    by zerogundamx

    Season 1 kicked all sorts of ass up until the finale which I could still live with. Season 2 was like watching a turtle cross the road, and he gets to the other side. Season 3 I feel had so much wasted potential in favor of shock value, the second half shaped up and gave me the Heroes I longed for all these years, but they took too long padding the episodes out and as a result the conclusion feels rushed and entirely unsatisfying. With Season 4, I feel like there's some good potential here but they'll just plod and pad along as usual, and yet I'll be there every Monday night, until 24 anyway. I want to love this show so much, I already love the characters, but the stories are just, arg.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST



    Touche' sir, though thanks to your country's relatively relaxed firearms laws, you are in rather a good position to shoot the aforementioned red headed c£$t. If you don't happen to have a license I would be willing to send cash to cover that and the gun.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Last Heroes Post Ever?

    by Yeti

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it ain't so Herc!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Well I *do* live in Vegas...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    and you don't need a license for a shotgun...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Sorry, I have bailed on this. There are hotties in it (Ali Larter). It really isn't much. Liked the first season, and the finale, but it has been downhill ever since. Watching season finale of "Top Gear" and DVRing "House."

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Bring back the Invisible Man

    by Kikstad

    The Heroes series started to falter when they set up the Invisible Man character and then just abandoned that storyline. Up until then I think the show was amazing, but after that, the show has just been all over the place without a clear storyline driving the plot and characters forward. Was that the time when one of the original writers or showrunners left the series? It just seems like a glaring turning point from a creative standpoint.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    This still on?

    by Xiphos_2

    Heheheh.<p>In al seriousness Heroes is so bad that its crossed into the its so bad its entertaining realm. It's fun to pick it Heroes apart, true it is shooting fish in a barrel, but fun to do anyways.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    More like shooting the barrel with an automatic rocket launcher

    by turketron_2

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Just here Tivo-ing to see who is the cockroach

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    And fast forwarding until I see something that looks remotely like action or one of the girls in a tight or wet outfit. I watched last season like that and it actually was fairly rewarding. Each episode lasts like five minutes and you can still follow the story.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by shodan6672

    House>Heroes. So is the Larry Sanders Show. What's your point. MANY shows are better.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Heroes ain

    by jaysin420

    While its the most downloaded show on the ENTIRE internet!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    My hyperbole switch was set at low this evening. Your description was probably more apt.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Lack of action

    by zerogundamx

    Heroes generally does deliver a decent amount of action, but the first half of Season 3 seemed to be all about bringing out the effects because of fanboy bitching over nothing. The show clearly suffered even more. They blew their budget on the shitfest that was Villains and had barely anything left for Fugitives. The spectacular flashing blue lights behind closed doors in the finale had me in the bathroom cutting myself.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    "the most downloaded show on the ENTIRE internet!"


    You know the only people that means diddly squat to? The advertising department on NBC because that's several hundreds of Americans they're not reaching meaning they're not making money from the people buying the advertising space.<p>Oh, you say, but it's not hundreds - it's thousands, possibly millions. Those people are on distant shores - places like the UK and Australia. Therefore, these people are an invisible audience because the advertisers aren't trying to sell them anything.<p>In short: the amount of people downloading this thing means very, very little.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    "The spectacular flashing blue lights behind closed doors in the


    Fuck! I forgot about that utter fucknut of a fight. Possibly the shittiest thing i've seen a tv show do to it's audience since Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Watched it for 3 seasons,

    by Rinse

    but it conflicts with other shows on my DVR, so I've deleted the series recording. Was hoping to look in here occasionally to see if it's worth catching up on down the line, but I guess if it sucks tonight I'll never get to read about it again in a Talkback. So... Yay? :P Harry's face is looking kinda gaunt in that Heroes corner animation thingy up there...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Shame about Heroes...

    by the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox

    <p>The show started off with a lot of potential, and for a while there in the first season, it was starting to live up to that potential.</p> <p>But the first season finale is where it all fell apart. After that, the writers seemed to have no idea what to do with the characters. It didn't help that the cast wasn't strong enough to make the ridiculous plot twists and bad dialog work.</p> <p>I don't think it's possible to save the show at this point. Even if NBC dumps the entire creative team and pares the cast down to about 6 people, there's not enough left to salvage.</p>

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    More Sylar = Lower Ratings

    by HalJordanSuperstar

    It's true, but the creators don't seem to get it. Sylar's ever-increasing role is the biggest problem.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    To Save Heroes . . .

    by 2bitkubrick

    First, get rid of nathan. Nobody likes him, and the writers obviously have no clue what to do with him. Second, MAKE SYLAR THE BAD GUY!!! The best thing about season 1 was sylar, he's a great bad guy. They've not had anyone as good since, and they've been wasting him. Take a cue from the comics, nitwits, make Sylar Magneto! Have him form an army of "bad" heroes and take it to the fucking man!! epic battle! or at least, epic tension! give peter back his full powers (as he's the only one who can really fight a full powered sylar) and have him form a group of "good" heroes to fight sylars army. this was attempted, albeit weakly, in season 1, which i think we can all agree was the best time of this show. Do it again, but better, and with more 'splosions. especially if this is gonna be the end of the show, please, give us a fucking epic battle where heroes die, and the fate of the future is in balance. marvels civil war, if you will. sylar as magneto, leading the brotherhood. maybe HRG as xavier ( i know, not a perfect analogy, but the closest we've got) planning and plotting and recruiting an army to combat the growing sylar/brotherhood menace. it could be awesome!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by 2bitkubrick

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    also (again)

    by 2bitkubrick

    (wrong button) also, please don't stop giving us talkbacks on this show. sure, it may suck, but we need a place to bitch about how much it sucks (my girlfriend is tired of hearing about it). this is ain't it cool, this is where we come to talk and vent and get excited and share frustrations about the geeky things we all love and love to hate. it's your job to cover this stuff, regardless of quality. i'll be seriously dissapointed in this site if it doesnt cover something as nerdy and mainstream as heroes. besides, look at the number of posts in this and other heroes talkbacks. obviously we still want to talk/bitch about it. doesn't the "most downloaded show on the internet" deserve it?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Character motivations make no sense on Heroes

    by MattmanBegins

    They bounce around so much without any natural transition. The writers should take note of Lost and the way characters evolve or de-evolve naturally.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Heroes sucks.

    by Lucasblows

    Stopped watching last fall and I will not be back.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    When will the era of JJ Abrams story telling end?

    by HellKing

    Sorry to tell you your beloeved Heroes tried to follow JJ Abrams style of story telling which is just trying to awe people with gimmicks. That would be okay if there was a reason to it but this is the era of just surprising people with crap that serve no purpose but to have water-cooler talk the next day. But it comes at the sacrifice of real story telling. What you true fans say that Heroes has changed, I see the same thing from the very beginning. You're just not awed by Heores' surprises anymore because it's a one-trick pony that you've already seen before. To which is why Hiro's omnipotent power has now been given a limitation. With that power he can change everything, i.e. saving Nathan from being killed. Just like JJ Abrams and his crew, they certainly don't think about what's going to happen down the road which is why his shows has so many holes and loose strings in the end.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Zeddemore, the viewers weighed in on the last 1/2

    by PennsyDeux

    of season 3, and if it were ancient Rome, the lions would've been called in to open whoop-ass on the show. Even if we have spirited discussions, I still consider you and everyone on here friends. <p> That said, I agree with HalJordanSuperstar; Sylar was a serious ratings drain last season. But the show had no choice; they had to hitch their wagons to Quinto due to Star Trek coming out in May. People have simply tired of Sylar, and NBC's gotta cowboy up and drop the hammer on him.

  • "... Milo Ventimiglia made his entrance"<p>That's because they were attendees just warming up for (or possibly left-over from) the Twilight panel.<p> CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS, I respect the Bobby Ewing move. They had the ability to recognize the downward slide Dallas had taken and had the balls to reset the show by trashing an entire season by saying "it never happened". Imagine if Heroes did that; if everything since the final 20 minutes of the 1st season finale was a dream or a vision of a possible future. Instead Linderman is not killed and the Heroes rally around Peter to fight Sylar, who is saved by Linderman's backup plan, a group of super villians. Resetting the show back to when it was great and had promise, and fixing the problems that led to its decline. From there it is good vs evil, picking a side, recruiting, scuffles, tussels, espionage, and betrayal. Blue flashes behind a door to indicate a fight isn't akin to Bobby in the shower, it is reducing an action sequence to simple exposition.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Never got into the show

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The over hype kinda turned me off. Enjoy nerds.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    ^^^Big Jim^^^

    by HellKing

    The Heroes panel was held in a hotel ballroom across the street from the Convention Center. Heroes and Twilight fans never crossed paths even on the same day.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Heroes is too shitty to be allowed in the convention center

    by MattmanBegins

    And Heroes and Twilight fans go hand in hand. Most girls I know like both.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    flip flop slop

    by doubleARon

    There are parts of this show that were brilliant, but the constant flipping and flopping of character motivations without regard to any central idea of who anyone was or what they are like turned me WAY off to the point where I just couldn't watch anymore. <p>It was always about some sensational twist or revelation in the final minutes, but they'd have to make characters do things that made no internal sense to accomplish... over and over and OVER.<p>let it die. The cast and crew will be better off in other shows.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Big Jim


    I'd never thought of it that way. And yes, it would be great to erase all of those terrible wasted episodes.<p>You, sir, have a good point.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Damn, I can't wait for Lost

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Toonol

    "She isn't very likable aside from being attractive."<p> I'm sorry, I don't think I understand.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't Hour 2 of Jay Leno Be a Better Choice?

    by willyD

    As long as Peter, Clair, Sy-than, Angela, Clair's mother, Ando, Icewoman and the rest keep coming back and sucking the ratings well dry, I'm ready to accept a second full-size helping of the NBC life-support system, the Jay Leno Show starring Jay Leno and whichever celebrity's flights are delayed at LAX.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Xiphos, how goes it?

    by PennsyDeux

    Hope all's well.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Stopped watching after the frst half of season 3

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    I never watched the first two seasons on television, only later on DVD, and season two was fucking WEAK. Even if 24 didn't come back in the same timeslot, I would have skipped out on Heroes before the "Fugitives" arc started. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!!! Every five or six episodes, plotlines are abandoned (remember Peter's Irish girlfriend? Totally abandoned in a post-apocalyptic future that NO LONGER EXISTS, and Peter's like "Yeah, whatever...") as characters are reset back to whatever they were doing two seasons ago. At least Lost consistently pushing it's storyline forward. Hell, even Smallville was better in it's EIGHTH season than Heroes was in season 3.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    And 2 1/2 Men = old people TV.

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    I certainly hope I won't watch shit like America's Got Talent and Two-Men-And-One-Fat-Kid when I'm over 50, but the odds are against me. Everyone gets REALLY BAD taste in entertainment once they pass age 50. It's like a law of nature.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    i will never give up on this show

    by shamon

    it just tv and a good watch also cant wait for house .

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    There is only one reason I'm watching the show again...

    by Anna Valerious

    ...and it's Scottish. :D

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Heroes is like The Dark Knight....

    by cookylamoo

    Where the Joker never gets caught...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Heroes is NOTHING like The Dark Knight

    by lockesbrokenleg

    TDK was fun and enjoyable.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    House for me

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Heroes has had too many 2nd chances and they fall back on the same olde tropes over and over<br> I'm evil, now I'm good, not I'm evil again, wait now I'm good, It was all and act I'm really evil.<br> And it seems like thay can pack that into a single episode<p> I would watch if Hiro got shot in the face and died forever

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Ponderous, repetitious, sloooowwwww...

    by Homer Sexual

    That's why Heroes blows. I haven't really loved an episode since Claire saved everyone from Radioactive Man. Last season, I watched about half the episodes, because hardly anything ever happened. I did watch "Cold Snap," which was a'ight but way over-rated due to simply not sucking that much. <p> Kill Sylar. I agree that the never-ending stories of Nathan and Sylar are killing the show. <p> Matt sucks. Mohinder is worse. Peter Petrelli guarantees me falling asleep. I have even grown bored with Claire. Hiro is totally messed up beyond any usefulness. HRG is now tiresome and redundant. Probably all the current cast could go, the only one who doesn't bore me is Ali Larter, and that' because she keeps becoming different characters. <p> But Heroes can't introduce anyone decent without killing or wasting them. Think of all those lame "villains," my favorite being Claire's real mom, the awesome Jessalyn Gilsig, who could light a cigarette with her thumb. Whoopeee! <p> Electricity Girl, Kristen Bell, was awesome, so she got killed off. <p> If this season involves HRG trying to save Claire, or Peter being part of any sort of conspiracy, forget it. <p> Still haven't even decided if I'll DVR tonight's episode or just write it off, because I sincerely believe this season will be more of the same old, same old.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Kill the cheeleader-save my skull

    by spiceybiscuit

    It burns and aches with this conversation of Two 1/2 men and Heroes. Heroes jumped the shark in season two; same story line over and over, one too many heroes. It COULD/SHOULD have been a great show but they wrote themselves into a corner and had to Sylar themselves out of it. Two and 1/2 men are popular because the mid-west makes it so. And why no mention of Jay Leno and his tanking ratings???? I smell/call bullshit

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    "Heroes" actually sucks harder than Barak Obama.

    by Ash0k

    Is 'lil Barry on tonight? I'd rather watch him babbling in front of his teleprompter than watch this crap from NBC.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    It'd Be A Better Insult If You Could Actually Spell Our Presiden

    by Crow3711

    Shitheel. At least now we know how seriously to take your comment, being of such a high edumacation and all.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    ...Spell Our Presidents Name.

    by Crow3711

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Oh dear Ash0k


    You ran into a big old Epic Fail with that one, didn't you? :)<p>D'ya know that I completely forgot about Matt and Mohinder until Homer Sexual mentioned them a few posts above!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    This show insults our intelligence

    by BottomFeeder

    Its become the biggest piece of crap on TV after starting with a lot of promise. Peter forgetting about his Irish girlfriend is just the tip of the iceberg. How about Mohinder being in charge of protecting the little girl, then he becomes the fly instead. What happened to the little girl at this time? Who knows? The writers don't care, why should I? I watched the show, even though I thought it was dumb for a while. I finally stopped watching when the fast girl lied and pretending to be into the guy that can read minds. The guy can READ MINDS and he was fooled by her.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    My issues with Heroes are:

    by ShadowVision

    1. They introduce interesting characters but don't utilizing them very well. Ex. the escaped villains who teamed up. They were discarded and not developed. I can't see how the series only depends on Sylar as the villian. 2. The on and off caught by the enemy, escape, and get caught again. Gets really redundant and pointless. 3. Not enough episodes that focus on single back stories and helps to develop characters. "Company Man" is an example of one that worked really well. 4. Downsizing characters powers. Another pointless plot angle. Ex. Hiro and Peter.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    HellKing, unless the Heroes panel and Twilight one took

    by jim

    place at the same time, I don't see how they are mutually exclusive. What is preventing one from crossing the street in order to attend both? My point was that it may be all those who, as Herc claims, responded to Milo Ventimiglia with screams weren't so much fans of the show as they were fans of screaming at young good looking guys (similar to the same group that, by all reports, populated the Twilight panel).<p>Homer Sexual, another "villain" they did away with was Bubbles from The Wire who could make black holes. Here's a guy who believes that his vortex kills people, and HRG felt the best way to reliably get rid of Sylar was trick him into one of these holes. Thing is, how do we know people die? Maybe the vortex this guy creates is a portal to another dimension, or maybe just another place. Who's to say his supposedly dead neighbour isn't simply stuck on some deserted island. I was expecting Sylar, and possibly even Claire, to get sucked into the vortex, only to wind up safe & sound but elsewhere (either together or separate). Instead, we get a speech and the death of a guy with a cool and criminally underdeveloped power (and a great actor to boot).

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ^^^Big Jim^^^

    by HellKing

    Just clarifying times. The Twilight panel was on Thursday and the Heroes panel took place on Saturday I believe. If you've been to Comic Con you can see there's a clear difference on fans. Yeah there's probably a crossover but not as rabid and female as the Twilight fans. Plus I didn't see personally how big the hall was over at the hotel but I heard there was a significant difference from the year before when the Heroes panel took place in Hall H. Also Milo goes to Comic Con for more than just Heroes. He tries to sell his comic book too and what I hear is the attention he attracts for that panel is no different from any other project that involves a celebrity.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Heroes vs Carrot Top

    by Kankennon

    If we're talking season 2 and onwards? I'll take Carrot Top, hands down. <b> Did ya...did ya see the one where Carrot Top had the toilet seat on his head and then dialed 1-800-CALL-ATT while spouting lines from "Chairman of the Board"? Oh, hyuk hyuk. Good times. Good times. <b> At least it wasn't Heroes Season 2. There's only so much pain I can handle.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    This show has always at least kind of sucked

    by The_Ed_Carden

    Honestly, the more I think about this show, the more I realize that its really never been that great. Season 1 was the best of the bunch, but even that one had some pretty boring episodes. I missed most of season 2, and from what people tell me, I didn't miss anything really important. Season 3 had some episodes so boring, I found myself daydreaming in the middle of them. I missed a few episodes as well, and really haven't had much desire to go back and watch them. I agree with what most people have been saying. This show needs some big changes. The characters and plots have gotten real repetitive, Sylar especially. Seriously, if they have going around telekinetically cutting people's heads open every episode again, I'm done. They really need some new villains that are actually interesting. Robert Forster's character was great, but every other villain they're brought in has been really one-dimensional, and usually quickly desposed of. I'm going to check out tonight's episode, but I'm expecting to be disappointed. This show had a lot of potential, but to me it seemed like the writers and directors never really found the right tone

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Jeph Loeb's fault

    by Disney_Retcond_my_STD

    Mr. Red Hulk mystery himself is the reason why the writing on that show for the past two years has been shit. Loeb did some cool Smallville stuff but when you're left alone in your own Dollhouse (fuck you Whedon for that crap by the way viva more Firefly) for far too long the smell of shit blends into the air. Glad NBC fired his ass. This season should be much better

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Never has a show done so little with so much

    by Larry of Arabia

    Hot start. Breakout character. Engaging premise. The finale to first season that was disappointing but forgivable because it set up some great things for the next season. The heroes knew eachother, and they knew evil existed in the form of others with powers. They could have done anything with that, but no they tried to hit the reset button. Somehow everyone forgot everyone else existed and they all went home to live "normal lives." Then they blamed the writer's strike for leaving a million and a half dangling plotlines. (Hello, girlfriend stuck in a dystopian future!)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    will the cheerleader

    by Devilman1369

    ...ever star in anal porn? That would definitely save the show for me

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Herc, shouldn't you at least have one more Heroes

    by MrD

    post just to let us know whether this is your last one or not?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Two & a Half Men's success is not indicative of drug use

    by smackfu

    It's success actually an indication to the contrary. It being the number 1 show in the America is merely an indication of just how many truly boring people there are out there. The people who watch this show are the same ones who laugh out loud at Marmaduke or (shudder) Family Circus comics.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    It's not the fault of the writing

    by smackfu

    It's actually not possible for Heroes to be good beyond the first season and still remain the same fundamental show. The problem is this - there are 3 characters on the show with Godlike powers, 2 of them have the ability to stop any threat within 1 episode, the the ability to fix everything by the 2nd episode if they happened to goof up. So in order for the show to keep it's 3 most popular characters, each season they need to come up with some deux ex machina reason for Peter, Sylar and Hiro to not have the ability to use their powers. So the writing is *always* going to be hackneyed and stilted, because they have to work within these stupid restraints. The only thing that would make this show good again would be permanently killing off Hiro and Peter.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    oh you know I'll be here

    by BadMrWonka

    for wherever there is a troll yelling "is this show still on?", you will find me.<p>wherever there are haters relentlessly hating, I'll be there.<p> and you will know me by the trail of talkbacker tears I leave in my wake.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo, get the fuck outta here with that shit

    by MattmanBegins

    Comparing Heroes and the Dark Knight? Go kill yourself. By the way, asshole, the Joker got caught at the end of the movie. You saw it, right?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Tonight is heroes last shot for me as well.

    by nrn

    I have been disappointed with heroes over its entire run. I will list the reasons below<BR><BR> 1. Sylar vs Peter keeps not happening again and again.... when we finally do get a glimpse of a Sylar Peter battle, Nikki (Tracy,Gina,Baba whatever) steps in and hits Sylar and for what reason? Nikki had never met Peter, nor Sylar, shouldn't she have been tending to her then shot and mortally dying husband?<BR><BR> 2. Their inability to kill characters off. example Nathan, hes had Nuclear radiation exposure which would have killed him, He's been shot by Peter (then revived), He was killed in future by Peter, but hey that was future, and peter immed. got his powers taken like a retard by his father. Ex 2: Nikki/Baba/Jessica/Gina or whatever her name is. But at least her storyline got explained (Triplet Sisters, different powers, Tracy's is water manipulation, only we were led to believe it was just "freezing")<BR><BR> 3. The forgetting of characters (I know Chris Ecceslston (the invisible man) was fresh off his Doctor Who high , but that character just vanished along with: West, (who I am glad is gone), Dude from Terminator that played John Connor (because they were going to make him gay..)Catlin, who they simply dropped all together though everything peter was doing at the end of S2 was just for Catlin.. They could have simply explained that since the virus outbreak never occurs she is stuck in an alternate reality forever or something...Molly (so what if child actors grow, set your show in real time)... Vortex Guy (coolest Villian they introduced besides the Puppet man, whom basically just has Sylar's kinetic manipulation ability). Let's see who else.. Aqua Boy (He was finally a sensible actor who had some chemistry with the pointless character of Claire). Hanna Giettleman (she could have been the perfect "rebel", but they made it Micah, another character who's story should long be ended.<BR><BR> 4. Deaths of characters people actually like. Vortex Guy (though I am still going for the he's not dead and can pop in and out theory). Hero's nemesis the speedster Daphne (at least they gave her a proper send off..). Adam Monroe (such a pittance, he could have simply injected Pa Patrelli with his blood)Claire's real mother, (umm you could have simply ran out of the building then let it all out ??? pointless death). D.L is one of the standouts as he was one of the only characters from the show actually being a Hero. Linderman (though during Villians it was obvious the writers knew killing him off was a bad Idea, as when they brought back Eric Roberts for the flashback episode)... I know there are more that I'm missing but the most important of all, Elle. It was horrible what they did to Elle's character, and I for one believe that Sylar would have never done that to her. It was simply bad, bad writing. She had the potential to be Noah's mom, but the writers don't seem to communicate with each other about what their future consists of. (I Also liked Bob by the way). <BR><BR> 5. Anticlamatic Storylines: Season one was great till the last ep, already explained my dismay with the Nikki jumping in, but for people with so much power (Peter, and Sylar) we should have been seeing some Dragonball Z style action. S2 was a total dead end, and in my humble opinion they should have ended it with the Virus dropping as it was intended to end before the writers strike. Villans was okay,however pointless, it did nothing but had characters flip flop flip flop cry whine and lie. If people would actually communicate to one another, but nope. I would imagine everyone would have everyone's cell by now.. I actually liked the thought that Sylar was Peter and Nathan's brother, evil like his Father, but they quickly retconned on that.. but Fugitives was horrible sans the episodes "Shades of Gray", and "I am Sylar". On that note should probably add Luke Sylar's maybe half brother to the list of people that won't be returning. <BR><BR> They can fix this show very plain and simple and this is how: 1. Kill the following characters and have them stay gone Nathan (Well have Sylar change back to himself...) Micah, Suresh (he has NEVER been interesting not even in season 1) Claire (god her acting is so horrible), Tracy/Baba.<BR><BR> Then then make it a tale with REAL stakes. I.E Sylar has become so powerful he can blow up whole cities etc, Peter, whom regained his FULL power by absorbing Sylar's at the end of last season, will finally Fight Sylar. In the mean time we will learn that there has been a secret group (The cockroach that always seems to appear) that has been watching events unfold, that will come into the fray and try to claim world power with physical force. Our Heroes would then assemble (idea would be Hiro, Ando, Parkman, HRG (his power is cleverness), Gittleman (shes pure digital now baby), and Micah's Shadowcat cousin) they could also introduce a few new REAL heroes, not just self proclaimed titled Heroes. It would all come to a head with the teams going at it meanwhile Peter and Sylar duking it out flying throwing blasts etc knocking each other through buildings, Till finally one was left standing. <BR><BR> Then again I've been hearing some circus BS... so I'm pretty sure none of that is going to happen. I'm done if tonight is horrible.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Whats wrong with heroes?

    by nrn

    I have been disappointed with heroes over its entire run. I will list the reasons below<BR><BR> 1. Sylar vs Peter keeps not happening again and again.... when we finally do get a glimpse of a Sylar Peter battle, Nikki (Tracy,Gina,Baba whatever) steps in and hits Sylar and for what reason? Nikki had never met Peter, nor Sylar, shouldn't she have been tending to her then shot and mortally dying husband?<BR><BR> 2. Their inability to kill characters off. example Nathan, hes had Nuclear radiation exposure which would have killed him, He's been shot by Peter (then revived), He was killed in future by Peter, but hey that was future, and peter immed. got his powers taken like a retard by his father. Ex 2: Nikki/Baba/Jessica/Gina or whatever her name is. But at least her storyline got explained (Triplet Sisters, different powers, Tracy's is water manipulation, only we were led to believe it was just "freezing")<BR><BR> 3. The forgetting of characters (I know Chris Ecceslston (the invisible man) was fresh off his Doctor Who high , but that character just vanished along with: West, (who I am glad is gone), Dude from Terminator that played John Connor (because they were going to make him gay..)Catlin, who they simply dropped all together though everything peter was doing at the end of S2 was just for Catlin.. They could have simply explained that since the virus outbreak never occurs she is stuck in an alternate reality forever or something...Molly (so what if child actors grow, set your show in real time)... Vortex Guy (coolest Villian they introduced besides the Puppet man, whom basically just has Sylar's kinetic manipulation ability). Let's see who else.. Aqua Boy (He was finally a sensible actor who had some chemistry with the pointless character of Claire). Hanna Giettleman (she could have been the perfect "rebel", but they made it Micah, another character who's story should long be ended.<BR><BR> 4. Deaths of characters people actually like. Vortex Guy (though I am still going for the he's not dead and can pop in and out theory). Hero's nemesis the speedster Daphne (at least they gave her a proper send off..). Adam Monroe (such a pittance, he could have simply injected Pa Patrelli with his blood)Claire's real mother, (umm you could have simply ran out of the building then let it all out ??? pointless death). D.L is one of the standouts as he was one of the only characters from the show actually being a Hero. Linderman (though during Villians it was obvious the writers knew killing him off was a bad Idea, as when they brought back Eric Roberts for the flashback episode)... I know there are more that I'm missing but the most important of all, Elle. It was horrible what they did to Elle's character, and I for one believe that Sylar would have never done that to her. It was simply bad, bad writing. She had the potential to be Noah's mom, but the writers don't seem to communicate with each other about what their future consists of. (I Also liked Bob by the way). <BR><BR> 5. Anticlamatic Storylines: Season one was great till the last ep, already explained my dismay with the Nikki jumping in, but for people with so much power (Peter, and Sylar) we should have been seeing some Dragonball Z style action. S2 was a total dead end, and in my humble opinion they should have ended it with the Virus dropping as it was intended to end before the writers strike. Villans was okay,however pointless, it did nothing but had characters flip flop flip flop cry whine and lie. If people would actually communicate to one another, but nope. I would imagine everyone would have everyone's cell by now.. I actually liked the thought that Sylar was Peter and Nathan's brother, evil like his Father, but they quickly retconned on that.. but Fugitives was horrible sans the episodes "Shades of Gray", and "I am Sylar". On that note should probably add Luke Sylar's maybe half brother to the list of people that won't be returning. <BR><BR> They can fix this show very plain and simple and this is how: 1. Kill the following characters and have them stay gone Nathan (Well have Sylar change back to himself...) Micah, Suresh (he has NEVER been interesting not even in season 1) Claire (god her acting is so horrible), Tracy/Baba.<BR><BR> Then then make it a tale with REAL stakes. I.E Sylar has become so powerful he can blow up whole cities etc, Peter, whom regained his FULL power by absorbing Sylar's at the end of last season, will finally Fight Sylar. In the mean time we will learn that there has been a secret group (The cockroach that always seems to appear) that has been watching events unfold, that will come into the fray and try to claim world power with physical force. Our Heroes would then assemble (idea would be Hiro, Ando, Parkman, HRG (his power is cleverness), Gittleman (shes pure digital now baby), and Micah's Shadowcat cousin) they could also introduce a few new REAL heroes, not just self proclaimed titled Heroes. It would all come to a head with the teams going at it meanwhile Peter and Sylar duking it out flying throwing blasts etc knocking each other through buildings, Till finally one was left standing. <BR><BR> Then again I've been hearing some circus BS... so I'm pretty sure none of that is going to happen. I'm done if tonight is horrible.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by MattmanBegins

    I hate the "is this still on?" trolls too. I've actually watched every episode of Heroes, so I've earned the right to criticize it.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    No loss, really

    by paradigm26

    Since I never watched this over-hyped fan wank, I'll not start now. I'll leave it to the rest of you to wank off to.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    thanks for your enlightening contribution.<p>by the way, I've never gone skydiving. (as long as we're wasting people's time by writing useless comments)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by PennsyDeux

    And here we go...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    damn me for being on the West Coast...

    by BadMrWonka

    now I can't read the talkbacks for 3 hours...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by PennsyDeux

    I relented and am watching this for the first time in 10 months. Grudges die hard, and sometimes are even harder to let go.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    HOUSE vs. HEROES=No contest!

    by ToMonicker

    House consistently rocks it. I still know peeps that are watching Heroes, and lo, I do not pity them, but I am seriously dubious that it could ever come back to Season 1 enjoyablity for me since they've had already TWO friggin' seasons to do it and failed. I'm already done; I'm just keeping my ear to the ground for amusing developments. ;-)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    I actually have a friend that watched all the DVDs over the summer and can't wait for the new season. Milo, Adrian, and Quinto are her latest eye candy. ;)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    Yeah, I'm on the West Coast, too. 2 hrs 15 min.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    This is year 4, yeah?

    by Adelai Niska

    And the commercials STILL show everyone whining about "I want a normal life?" THEY SHOULD HAVE COSTUMES BY NOW. I thought this was a superhero show.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Could care less...

    by Oldnewbie

    For the first time I could care less about the series premier. Bryan Fuller leaving again demoralized my feelings about the show. I imagine he just couldn't work with the suits who are determined to ruin what they have not already ruined. But who knows? Maybe he saw no hope, either.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Huge Fan of Heroes, Can't Wait

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The way I see it, this show is going to end soon - four years is a great many years for a show like this to last. Think of most classic genre shows. How many lasted four years? I look at it like we had a great time with these characters and I hope to see them continue in novels and comics and maybe future movies once the show has been redubbed a "classic" like so many old shows that find a good home in syndication. My favorite characters are Matt, Micah (GO REBEL!) and Sylar. For the record, making Sylar one of the core cast-member and always telling us what he's doing robs us of the chance for him to show the fuck up and fuck shit up. :)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    The problem

    by Nairb The Movie

    "What if superheroes existed in the real world?" It's been done, a billion times over, if a couple different mediums. 9 times out of 10 the execution it horrible because of what it would be like if people actually had superpowers. Miracleman probably being the example. That kind of slaughter and mayhem doesn't fit well into a serialized approach. It looses steam. Superheroes beget a post-apocalypse. They are gods.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I'd like to play a role in Lydia's story...

    by tonagan


  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    not a great start, going to change the channel now

    by vorlonkosh

    It's done, stick a fork in it.. game over. Moving on to something else.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    1st hour impression...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Liked the opening...finally someone acting like a Hero...<p>Ice Chick comes back as Hydro-chick, bald dude is killed by 'Jack the Knife' from Wild Cards and cool fight between the two...Noah waffles into a new plan, Mama Patrelli dreams a twisted dream, new villian with cool circus level powers, Claire decides telling the truth is her new thing. She sucks at Guitar hero...Hiro is(sorry, no spoilers...)Roommate...? WTF?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Cheerleader was NOT saved

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Three years ago. Apparently she died in some sort of shark accident. Details are sketching but skis and a boat were involved.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Lookin' forward to it...

    by Master Bruce

    until then check out this "Hero"; it's The story of a comic book fanboy whose life is forever changed by Batman, Oprah, and Dr. Phil...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Ron Moore called, Tim.

    by PennsyDeux

    He wants his royalties from your version of HeadSix ;)

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Haa... Headsix...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Hiro is the new Scott Bacula...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Quantum Leap returns...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Danko, we hardly knew ye...

    by PennsyDeux

    Or at least I didn't know ye at all.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by PennsyDeux

    I'ma tm-ing that here and now. :D

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    HeadSylar better not show up in Tricia Helfer's dress

    by br1947

    that's just too far...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    What if he's in her 'fuck me' pumps?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    maybe Cheeses... maybe...

    by br1947

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    So, I'm gonna slam it. Way to go critics.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by reflecto

    A traveling carnival? Seriously? More time travel? More stupid Hiro being stupid? "I time travel, fix past - nothing ever go long!"

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Actually, If they will follow thru...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    There are some good ideas in this season's opener...LOVE the carnival clan...Like their exploitation of Hiro...<p>Will Noah and Peter FINALLY gather a super team to do good like Peter's mama did...???<p>Does anyone seriously think that Claire's new BFF doesn't have powers, too? <p> Like Speed Force Slasher Dude....finally some superhero on superhero violence...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I kind of wanted to fuck the ambition

    by Itchy

    right out of Claire's roommate. Of course, she's too hot to stick around on the show. Just like Missy Peregym.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Watching this show is like a chore.....

    by Acid_Frio

    .....Iv'e watched it from episode one and I feel like I have to see it to it's end. This season so far is pretty *yawn* worthy. Just cancel this show, NBC...please. The executives there are just riding a sick horse. I can't understand why the producer's cant draw in ACTUAL writing talent...not just predictable plot writers. THE WRITING IS LAZY!!!!! I can't seem to make that any clearer. The talent, cast wise, is all there, just hire new writers. Maybe make some calls to Geoff Johns or Brad Meltzer. Idea # 1.) Introduce the idea of a continous GLOBAL dynamic. There ARE more people with powers then just the people that lie in New York. New York should not be the focus. 2.) Crying out loud, get everyone together to form a team. It's been long overdue. 3.) and lastly, come up with NEW superpowers. I'm seriously waiting for goddamn Cyclops to show up. thats it for now.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Ray Park - master of shit

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    flipped back and forth between this and House

    by Magic Rat

    House was far superior and compelling tonight.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    They have me for a little while longer

    by DeusExMachina

    It wasn't the best, but this episode wasn't bad. Like Nazareth said, if they follow through with the what they started with tonight's episode, this season may not be that bad. The show can't go on forever though. If it gets renewed for another season, they should make it the last.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    keep fuckin' the ambition out of that chicken...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    kring had a live webcast

    by brabon300

    of course, he hid it on a kiddie game site...

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    You know shit's gone downhill...

    by TheGza

    ...when they cast the chick from Days of Our Lives as Claire's roomie. Granted, she had a bit part with the suicide and soap actors sometimes have real careers, but still

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I dunno...I thought it was decent

    by Triceratops on Fire

    Then again, I have very low expectations. This show is primarily a good excuse for me to get my married friend out of the house. Thought the plot lines with Parkman, Sylar, Nathan, Peter, HRG, and T-Bag were cool. Thought the claire thing was a bit too like season 1. Oh well, can't win them all. I'll still watch next week.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Maybe what I liked the most...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    was the total lack of Indian dudes who go all Jeff Goldblum....

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    After tonight....

    by aedude01

    All I can say is "meh". What worked: *The absence of Sureh wasn't really noticed... Here's hoping he goes the way of Maya *Sylar was fun as always (hopefully Quinto got a pay bump to remain on this dreck) *Tracy Strouse seems to actually have something to do this year, let's hope it lasts. *Peter's storyline is actually plausible... it's about TIME. *The Carnies, interesting, though not as fun as they should be. If they're the "Big Bad" this year, step it up already. *Nathan slowly discovering that "somethings up". I wasn't a big fan that they kept him after Sylar killed him, but this was well done (especially the lighting bit). They could have taken it further though, made him make something "really horrible" happen to play with the genre a bit and to REALLY freak him out. What didn't work: *Claire's roommate "suddenly" biting the dust wasn't that surprising... nor was Claire throwing herself out a window... (yawn). If you're going to do the annoying roommate at college thing, you have to be unique about it. See: Buffy, Greek, etc. *HRG/Mama Petreli, enough already. "There's a Plan". There's always a Fraking Plan, it never works, after 30+ years, figure it out. *Parkman "Seeing Sylar". Like I said above, Qunito makes an unworkable story "fun", but that doesn't mean it "works". *Killing HRG's partner/boss from last season. The show really pulled an "L-Word" here, things should stay messy from the previous season for a bit... let things and conflicts ratchet up. *The Hiro storyline. Just kill the character already, same with Ando and his wife who can't act. Once again they're re-writing the rules of timetravel, and I couldn't really care. *Not revealing the central story for the season in a 2-HOUR-PREMIERE. This is the real fault with the episode.... what's this season about? There's a compass thingy missing, Claire's in college, Peter's an EMT, Hiro's dying...blah blah blah, get on with it already. You don't need a big "the World's going to rip-in-half" ending, but give us a clue as to what's coming (as well as a reason to tune in for another 13+ episodes) Right now, all I can say in YAWN. Fun fact with the casting: Ted from Queer as Folk was the teacher, and the Waterboy was from the gay-film "Latterdays". Clearly the casting director's been watching too much Logo.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST


    by aedude01

    What was up with the "NBC: Now more colorful" branding? Really? Who picked that when 95% of their casts are white?!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Well, they have a Ginger kid running the Tonight Show

    by br1947

    He has no soul. But he is colorful, and the color is RED!

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    i loved the first season right up until the finale

    by slappy jones

    and the show never recovered. it just got worse and worse.shame as when i did enjoy it i really enjoyed it but it got shit real fast.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Heroes molested my soul

    by jimbo6666

    Heroes finally defeated me this past season. It wore me down to a state of pure exhaustion and then did unspeakable things to me. It beat me bloody with uninteresting characters. Pummeled me with convoluted stories. Hammered me with an absolute refusal to kill off any dead weight then raped me senseless with unresolved plot threads, inexplicable personality changes and, last but not least, an attempt to turn tiny little Hayden Panettiere into an action hero. They can't cancel this piece of shit fast enough to soothe my shattered psyche.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    not too shabby

    by VonThunderballs

    i personally liked this season opener. it can only get better. i think sylar will finally own them all.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    was that Kristen Bell in the cafeteria?

    by Chain

    Looked a lot like her. Can't imagine her doing a non speaking cameo like that though.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    for fans of Claires new friend

    by Series7

    You should go see The Collector, you're gonna like the way you look while watching the Collector.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    The Greatest American Hero>Heroes

    by eoneon

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    if Hiro changed the past, and Ando's past

    by BadMrWonka

    he would have changed a LOT more. if Ando had Kimiko as his girlfriend, he wouldn't have gone after that girl in Vegas before, remember? his actions there changed a lot of what happened with him and Hiro in that episode, which would have repurcussions.<p>I'm not a fan of the butterfly effect idea (since it's named after a completely FALSE pseudo-scientific assertion) but this is one case where it's ludicrous to believe that Hiro would come back and EVERYTHING would be exactly the same, when he's radically changed Ando's life for the past 14 years. <p>VERY weak writing, in my opinion. they should have made it something smaller, like Ando getting a tiny scar or something less major than a MAJOR interaction with Hiro's sister. VERY weak. weak weak weak.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Just finished watching the new "House"

    by thelordofhell

    Jesus, what the fuck happened to Franka Potente? She went from smokin' hot in The Bourne Identity to dumpy frumpy in House. I still don't believe it was the same woman.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Ray Park has a voice?

    by Series7

    I thought he would have sounded like the elephant man or something seeing that he never takes a talking role.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Holy shit you're right,that's where I remember her from!

    by bullet3

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    My Big Question

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Where the hell was Micah?!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST


    by thelordofhell

    When she had that sex scene with House, all I was thinking is that he's getting Jason Bourne's sloppy seconds......that and he was a lucky bastard. :-)

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    I liked the new episodes. And as a fan of Ray Park, it's definitely nice to see him. Really like the Carnival characters. Was surprised at the chemistry between Ali Larter and Jack Coleman. So glad the wig is gone on Claire and Hayden's real hair is back. Really, I was pretty satisfied with everything tonight. I watch TV to chill out and give my brain a break from writing, so I have no need to analyze every little detail. Glad the new roommate bought it...she was hella annoying!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    nbc producers are the problem

    by ziah_vaempiir

    I can't believe people still watch Heroes, it's such a pile of trash. The last episode of season 1 was where the cracks began and they just didn't stop -- I really gave the shortened second season a full on try. I couldn't get through the 3.1 ep (is that where they inroduced the same overarching plot for the 3rd time?) and that even had david anders in it. I want to know who was reading those scripts and thinking: this sounds amazing!! When their career ends with this show, it will be deserved.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    They finally made blondie interesting

    by Xiphos_2

    Now if they could get her into that whip cream bikini I'll be impressed. Tbag was ok so was HRG. If Madelin Zima would fuck Clair bear and punch her like she does in Californiacation I will be really happy.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Put me down as liking yesterday's opener.

    by Kevin Holsinger

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 5:47 a.m. CST

    I really thought that tonight....

    by VinnyMac666

    was the best this show has been since Volume One.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST


    by VinnyMac666

    better than Volume One. No Mohinder.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    This episode put me to sleep. Twice!

    by Uncle Stan

    May remove it from the dvr.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Ali Larter

    by Itchy

    Was it me, or did she kind of not suck tonight ? Did she take acting lessons in the offseason ? Anyway, this whole show just is "meh" now .. I'll probably keep watching though, just because the show isn't on Thursday, like every other damn show I watch.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Good Start to Season 4

    by wampa_one

    Now, try & maintain.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Dare I watch it.....?

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    It seems to have gotten mainly positive (well, luke-warm) reviews on this TB. I've watched every other episode. Maybe I'll download it after all.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    I am soooo confused

    by Rumpel Tumskin

    Whats was the deal with going everywhere and seeing graffiti art of the world cracking apart. What was going to cause that event. Never explained. Peter went to the horrible horrible future to see Sylar and finds almost everyone has travel superpowers and the world is peaceful and kinda cool. WTF was so bad about that future, was Peter pissed cause he wasn't special anymore and the general public could fly and shit?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    This should have been the start to

    by Series7

    Season 2.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I think Xi said it all...

    by just pillow talk

    "If Madelin Zima would fuck Clair bear and punch her like she does in Californiacation I will be really happy."<p>Amen brother.<p>And yeah, it wasn't *that* bad an episode, I would dare say better than anything from last year.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIG otWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    by just pillow talk

    If that were really true about your handle, you would have been destroyed by The Bates.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Oh, WTH didn't Peter

    by Rumpel Tumskin

    take back his original power from Sylar and stick with his sucky version? He showed that he wanted powers to help people better in his EMT job, why not get his orignal back and have a ton of powers to help people with?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I thought

    by doc420

    it was actually a good episode. Could have been worse...

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    House was fucking amazing

    by SavageJuicebox

    Emmy episode, for sure.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Overnight ratings are in...

    by PennsyDeux

    And they're brutal: 3.4 rating, 5 share for the 2 hours, which breaks down thusly. <p> The 8-9PM episode 'Orientation' logged a 3.5/5. That was a series low - until 'Jump, Push, Fall', the 9-10PM installment. That registered a 3.2/5. House slaughtered it and CBS' comedies, too.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Funny you should say that - 325 felt like them trying to redo the end of S1. Now in S4, we've got fractured Nathan (as in S2)... Claire starting a new school (as in S2) and people pretending to be Irish - but yes, it's much better here.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Simple answer to your time-travel query... Ando and Kimiko broke up between the start of S1 and S3. When Ando & Hiro came back to Tokyo at the end of S3, they got back together.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Considering the (noticable) budget cuts, I don't think they were expecting huge ratings. Now perhaps you can compare those ratings to the S3 ones, so we can see how far it's slipped from that. Using 'series low' doesn't mean much if it's a 0.0002 drop.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    That was actually....good.

    by HoboCode

    I'm as shocked as anyone but that was a pretty decent season premiere. Could the writers of this show have gotten a clue? I guess we'll see.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Kevin Holsinger

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Touche on the Doyle thing. There's little bits of carry on like that, but the first episode of each Volume is - mostly - a reintroduction. <p> Take 401 for instance... each character is introduced in a specific way. It's not like Lost where the season carries on seconds after the last ended.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    HOLY SHIT? <p> You liked Heroes? My... My God.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Rumpel Tumskin

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Peter took a Body Morphing power from Sylar. It appears he can take ONE ability, but not Sylar's core ability.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Ever new season of Heroes is a complete reboot of the series. This is the first time they've ever started the series without the main characters finding out about their powers. Its how season 2 should have started with all the characters using or not using their powers, not re-learning what they can do. <P> And I'm sick of the fucking Time Traveling boy story, sort his ass out, and get rid of the sub titltes. I'll let Lost get away with it because they do almost whole episodes, but Heroes is a show I usually turn on while doing other things and the random cut to that annoying story in subtitltes with his annoying ass voice (should have just made him a small asian girl at least then the voice would make sense) is annoying as fuck, and he's still the biggest bitch in TV history.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Zedd, here's the ratings for the last four season 3 eps...

    by PennsyDeux

    4/27/09: 4.0/6<p> 4/20/09: 4.0/6<p> 4/13/09: 4.1/6<p> 4/6/09: 3.9/6<p> <p> So anywhere from a 10-13% drop. And the Fugitives arc yielded 9 of the 10 lowest-rated episodes of the series.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes, noted - but I'd be more concerned about a huge drop. The gradual slide means half of S4 is a cert, minimum.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I know Zedd.

    by HoboCode

    It's no secret I have despised this show from the beginning. It's filler for me until Lost comes back on and I usually hate every episode. I wil lsay I thought last season's premiere was strogn as well and it went down the toilet like it always does, so I'm not expecting much.<p> They got a lot of things right. Like showing mutants fighting (GASP!). What a novel idea. Ray Park is a bad ass. Only took 4 seasons. Suresh being gone is such a welcome change as well. And the new main "villain" kicks ass and seems multi-dimensional. Everything was note perfect last night as far as the characters. My only complaint was that Claire was dumb enough to jump out the window with her roommate RIGHT THERE, but it's forgiveable since her character is kind of a ditz anyway.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Hah - yep, I'm with you on Claire. But at least she isn't moping this year.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    But the best thing

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's a simple arc. Carnival folk want our regulars to join them, but they attacked Noah. So it's Company 2.0 vs. Carnival. No explosions/futures that must be prevented.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    This shows biggest problem

    by Series7

    Is its insistence in killing off all the cool cameo's they can get. Maybe they can't afford to have them on the show more often, but Eric Roberts and Malcolm Macdowell were both made that they had to leave the show so fast.

  • If you scroll up earlier and read my posts you'd read everything I thought was wrong with heroes.<BR><BR> Enter Tonight: They introduce a whole new group of people with super-powers and their own agenda. I for one am hoping that the Carnival's whole overall arching storyline is to get Hiro to fix things. (Meaning NY Blows up, Claire dies etc). <BR><BR> They finally got rid of the fly, errr Mohinder and I hope he is gone permanently, did they feature his name in the credits? His absence brought the show up in my book. Tracy has better interaction with HRG then she ever did with Nathan. Slynathan is finally interesting. And oh yeah Parkman is a loon, who in their right mind would answer out loud to a hallucination? <BR><BR> I also am wondering what the Carnies powers are. You see T-Bag at the start using Avalanche type powers, but then you see he has kinetic manipulation through ink as well. We all know Darth Maul is kinda like Omega Red/ Deadpool before they got transformed. <BR><BR> I will continue to watch until my new questions are answered and if they keep the story progressing in the vein they started last night. However my one biggest gripe: At the end of last season peter absorbed ALL of Sylars abilities. Why is he simply back to one at a time again??

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I think those two actually had pretty good runs. It's Anders that gets me. Seems like someone you'd keep around for the long-haul.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    He only took shapeshifting from Sylar. In 325 he says 'bet you didn't think I'd take that one.' Remember, even when Peter was an Empath who could absorb multiple abilities he still had to work to access Intuitive Aptitude.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Exactly Zedd.

    by HoboCode

    They scaled back the threat and the scope a bit and it works better. No more saving the world. These morons can barely save themselves.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore

    by nrn

    Yes, but as he said this you could clearly see him transferring all of Sylar's powers, note him losing his Shifting ability as peter took his hand as though he was absorbing everything from him, before pricking him with the elephant tranq. Thats what my eyes saw at least. From being Nathan his eyes grew wide his flesh started doing the shift thing, as more and more of his power went into peter. I dunno but 1 power peter == lame. If they are going to have an Uber Villian, we need an Uber Hero.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    After the 93% from S2, they should've cut short world-saving quests. S1 was great, S2 was good (for me at least), but it'd be like every season of Lost involving entering a Hatch.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes - and I think Peter is slowly regaining his Empath power... but I don't think he has all of Sylar's abilities yet. If he did, he could just TK Ray into the wall.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Well Both

    by Series7

    Roberts and Mcdowell have expressed their personal feelings about the show in interviews. I'm more incline to agree with them, especially since McDowell's character was one of the coolest in the show.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Also this episode was doing good

    by Series7

    Until that whole Guitar Hero scene, that was pretty bad. Not quite Prince of Persia bad like that episode of Life, but close.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Don't get me wrong, I think more could have been done with them. Just that they got out before their characters could be tarnished. And as S3 showed, neither is adverse to flashbacks.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I liked the subtext that Guitar Hero leads to overachivers committing suicide

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Girl Said Guitary Hero 3

    by nrn

    It was quite noticeably Guitar Hero 5 However product placement gone wrong?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Just them playing guitar hero

    by Series7

    Was fucking awful. Like what was the look on that one girls face? It certainly isn't the look she gives in The Collector.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Thats the problem with the show

    by Series7

    If they could fucking develop a character Robert and MM would have been awesome. As of now the only characters that have done anything are Matt Park and Claire's dad, he's the best part about the show and I can never remember his name. Profit fucking sucks, Sylar is never full realized and this is the first time they've made Rocky's Son anything other then a whinny ass bitch. Read my above post about the Asian duo.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Thoughts from a Heroes first-timer...

    by Royston Lodge

    I'd never seen an episode of Heroes before. I watched last night's premiere, and enjoyed it, mostly.<p> But, I got bored before the ending, and went to bed.<p> Still, I'll probably buy the first season offa iTunes now (unless the dvd boxed set is cheaper...)

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Ok Zed here's My score for last nights ep...

    by nrn

    I give it a 7/10 hero ranking. Not to confused with Lost ranking. 3 lost points = 1 hero point lol. Here's hoping this season doesn't suck.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Do you really think its suicide? I'm pretty sure The Collector girl is going to have some power like ghosting or inhabiting people and caused it.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Series7

    Avoid the first season if you were bored with last nights episode, thats probably the most exciting it's ever been.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Everyone I know loves Two and a Half Men

    by Homer Sexual

    For real. My mom,my friends, everyone. It is risque, yet family friendly. There's lots of sex and drinking, yet family values are reinforced. The cast appeals to a wide variety: there's drunky slut mean mom, likable rake brother, uptight mensch, smartmouth loser kid and wisacre housekeeper. Whats not to love? Ok, the stalker neighbor creeps me out, but still, we're LA types and everyone likes that program. <p> OTOH, got too bored with half an hour of heroes and quit watching. Will see here if anything good happened.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Everyone I know loves Two and a Half Men

    by Series7

    So I you know a bunch of retards, big deal.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    They'll do a 'it wasn't suicide' twist later.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    So I you know a bunch of retards, big deal.

    by Series7

    Wow, that me sound like a retard. And the sad fact is I tried to edit that comeback for maximum effectiveness. See, just goes to show, too much meddling isn't always good. <P> So I guess I'm the ritard now and will go out and buy seasons 1-20 of Two and Half men so I can be like my breathern.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    MM was awesome.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    God even that last post

    by Series7

    Was fucking bad as well. I need to give it up.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah I wanted more MM

    by Series7

    He was a huge character. Eric Roberts? Meh I could take it or leave it, in fact I don't even remember his character in the show, it was probably the end of season 2 which I don't remember at all. Like most of Heroes I've seen them all, but I could not give you a good plot summary of any of them. I just know the basic plots. <P> House last night was a lot better.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    ER - Thompson

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Died at the end of S1. Came back in 308.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    As for MM

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Part of me hopes Heroes rebounds, so they can do a mini-series focused on the Elder Generation. McDowell, Anders, Roundtree and Takei in a TV show together would rule.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Positive review for Dr. Bolls new movie

    by Series7

    Which is screening at Fantastic Fest. If Harry does not interview the guy (and if he's not there I don't care call the fucker up) I may leave this site. <P>

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Like that miniseries idea

    by Series7

    Villians are whatever sounded really cool. Too bad they didn't do that. Just anything to get less of fucking Masi Oka. Do you like that character?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I actually liked it too

    by StovetopStuffin'

    I didn't watch all of last season. Gave up halfway through. But I liked the trailer for the new season, and the addition of the carnival people seems brilliant. I'm giving this season another chance. The best thing they can do is improve Hiro's storyline and get rid of the Cheerleader. Hiro hasn't evolved, and Claire is annoying at the best of times.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Claire's new roomy is the killer.

    by HoboCode

    I sense that she's a psycho.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I liked the trailer for the new season

    by Series7

    And its use of the old Winter Olyimpics theme song. May as well just grabed that old Gloria Estephan song why they were at it.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    series7 - suicide twist

    by itrainmonkeys

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Go see The Collector, much better then Heroes and her role in that movie is a lot better. But I still don't know why everyone thinks she's really hot. She's got maggie gyllenhaal syndrome, with droopy eyes and looks like she is growing jowls.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    mr. zeddmore - suicide twist (fixed)

    by itrainmonkeys

    "They'll do a 'it wasn't suicide' twist later." How can it be a twist when they've already pretty much stated that it wasn't a suicide. Claire saw no note, the girl had all the reason to live, and Claire and her suspicious new friend are investigating. <br><br>how does that make it a "twist"

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    hobocode - claire's new friend

    by itrainmonkeys

    it may turn out that she was sent by Samuel to get close to Claire. For some reason the big baddies always follow Claire around. Plus there's no doubt in my mind that she had something to do with the suicide/murder.<br><br>and IMO she's not hot. at all. i'll agree with series7 about that. her face looks like a melted painting.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah she was

    by Series7

    Voted #5 "Sexiest Women in the World" FHM Online (2009) <P> So its not some geek thing, well maybe. I just don't get it. All I'm saying is if you do like that bulldog look, watch the movie The Collector. And even if you don't think she's attractive, watch the movie The Collector. Either way watch that fucking movie its awesome.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    She's a butterface.

    by HoboCode

    But I wouldn't kick her out of bed. I'll take the hot tattoo chick. What is her power by the way? The guy manipulates the ink, right. So then her power is knowing everything about them once he tattoos her? Is that it?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men sneaks up on you, like vodka shots.

    by Royston Lodge

    I hated Two And a Half Men when I first saw it. Charlie Sheen's performance seemed so forced, it was impossible to suspend disbelief.<p> Then they started playing re-runs every day, in that time slot where I'm so tired after getting home from work where I'll watch almost anything that isn't a talk-show while I'm waiting for my tv dinner to heat up.<p> That was when warmed up to the show. Maybe sitting alone on my couch in the condo where I live alone (after several disasterous attempts at co-habitation with roomates and live-in girlfriends), sucking back a Pabst and waiting for my Swanson's Special makes me really warm up to (and envy) Sheen's character.<p> Until the writers had him fall in love, and turned him into a pussy...<p> Plus, Rose is pretty hot. I've liked her since I first saw her in Shattered Glass. Kinda sad she went from a movie like that to a shitty sit-com.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    FYI: Women in their 20s seem to love 2 & 1/2 Men

    by Royston Lodge

    At least, that's been my unscientific, poor sample-size, anecdotal observation . . .

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yeah. I dig Hiro. Will admit he sometimes grates, but when they get him right the results are good. Only happens a couple times a year though. <p> As for Mad Zima, she's okay looking. But I prefer Larter.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    More thoughts from a HEROES first-timer...

    by Royston Lodge

    1) Claire's new friend can't be the killer. She just can't! That would be so obvious and hackneyed!<p> 2) I was so excited to see Ray Park during the opening sequence and in the opening credits, then to see his mad skillz wasted during the action sequences was really disappointing.<p> 3) I really liked the concept of the super-powered paramedic. His bits were the parts of the show. I wish the show explored more the pros and cons of other characters using powers to enhance their "normal" jobs and lives. I presume the stuff with the psychic cop was a major plot point in previous seasons?<p> 4) Time travel sucks. Freezing time is awesome. Why disregard Hiro's cool power to focus on the lame, boring power?<p> 5) The super-powered carnival is a fun concept, but they seemed to indicate that they won't exploit it for all its worth, instead focusing on the Prison Break guy instead. Pity.<p> 6) For a show about super-powered humans in the "real" world, it's a major shame that the show isn't a hell of a lot more fun!<p> 7) The assasination attempt with the water in the car was really cool.<p> 8) I kept thinking that the story would work way better as an actual comic book rather than a tv show.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Series7

    Change the channel.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Samuel manipulates Earth, Ink Girl has Empathic Tattoos. Basically, the gist is what she wants appears on her back. My bro called it 'the lamest fucking power ever' - and... well, I'd concur if the chick didn't look fine as fuck.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes to all questions.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    ratings disaster

    by brabon300

    the premiere lost ratings over its 2 hours, giving leno a terrible lead in...this is the final year of

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    the guy moved earth in the beginning but then he manipulated the ink to choke Ray Park Darth Vader style. So I think he is telekinetic and can move anything, and she can old sense who they are. Just my theory.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    and let me add this

    by brabon300

    if the writers and kring are going to borrow so heavily from other unproduced stories, why doesnt nbc just buy those properties and produce them?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Possibly - I got a bit confused, meself with that.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Because it would cost a fuck of a lot more than they currently spend, and be a risk. Heroes ratings ARE falling, but there's still an audience. People buy the DVDs, the merchandise, etc.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    We need a HOUSE talkback...

    by Royston Lodge

    Now THAT was an awesome season premiere!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Another thing that confused me.

    by HoboCode

    Were there TWO compasses? I mean Samuel buried the one with whoever died, but then Denko or someone stashed it in the saftey deposit box. What up with that? And wh ythe hell was the key inside Denko. Did he swallow it?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Had to put back...

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    ... the podcast I was gonna do. Lots more to process than I thought.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Damn, the numbers posted by PennsyDeux

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    tells me this season is the LAST season of Heroes. And to think some thought this show was going to take Lost place! LOL<p>Oh boy, Somebody better get started on writing that series finale now!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Damn straight. Great premiere. Even had Lola in it. I almost wish House was going to be in the nuthouse longer though.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Seems like Danko did.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Who thought that? I remember enjoying Heroes more than Lost, but they were always disparate shows. Lost is a jigsaw puzzle, Heroes is a comic-book.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Claire's new friend can't be the killer

    by Series7

    She just can't! That would be so obvious and hackneyed!...........<P> Ummmm because this series has been anything but that right?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    royston - focusing on one guy

    by itrainmonkeys

    "The super-powered carnival is a fun concept, but they seemed to indicate that they won't exploit it for all its worth, instead focusing on the Prison Break guy instead. Pity." - Royston Lodge <br><br>I disagree. Within a 2 hour episode we saw 4 different carnival characters with powers. Of course they'll focus on Samuel but that doesn't mean we won't get to meet a bunch of other side-characters who work the carnival.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    "That would be so obvious and hackneyed!"

    by Xiphos_2

    And that would be a Heroes trade mark.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    HoboCode; I was thinking the exact same thing.

    by Royston Lodge

    His recovery seemed to happen way too quickly, and it seemed way too neat & tidy that his doctor's license could be reinstated so easily. They really didn't convey to the audience just how long he was institutionalized. They could have mitigated the "one-episode in the crazyhouse" problem by showing that the episode takes place over a really long period of time.<p> Plus, the characters at Mayfield are more interesting than the ones at Plainsboro.<p> I'm glad that House's shrink appears to be a recurring character, judging by the preview of next week's episode.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Re: the obvious point

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Heroes has never been about twisty pay-off. (Who's gonna explode New York?) Peter. Who made The Virus? (The Company.) Why was The Company started? (Chandra Suresh is a dick.)

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    super-powered paramedic

    by Series7

    Its not bad enough NBC has two new hospital shows coming out (Mercy and Truma) after getting rid of Scrubs and ER now they have to make their main character in Heroes a EMT. I guess they think with how popular healthcare is right now, may as well make everything on TV about hospitals. Who fucking likes hospitals?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I mean...

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I remember back in S1, when people were all 'hey - where do the powers come from?' and expected a mindblowing answer. Sweet Jesus, those fuckers were annoying.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Back to Heroes...

    by Royston Lodge

    I would have enjoyed it much more if they hadn't thrown so many different plot-lines into one episode. Too much to keep track of.<p>The LOST method of focusing each episode on one plot-thread and showing how each thread connects to all the other ones over time is MUCH more satisfying.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Pete started as a Nurse. He became an EMT in Volume IV. This was set in stone before they picked up the new shows. <p> And FYI, the Internet hates Peter.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    This is why we recommend watching shows from the first episode. Because then, you know what the show is and there's no 'ah, I wish they did it like Lost did it' comments. <p> Well, there are. But people still realise how the show is structured.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I would be surprised if claires friend WASN'T involved

    by itrainmonkeys

    I would be surprised if claires friend WASN'T involved in the suicide. Heroes is predictable most of the time, and this one we can see a mile away. If it turns out she's no involved and just a normal college student friend.....that would be surprising to me

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Anyway, I'm out

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Podcast should go up tomorrow.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    But, but, Series7 told me to avoid the first season!

    by Royston Lodge

    Such conflicting feelings! Arwaugh!!!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Is the cloest thing that show has to a main star though.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Yeah House

    by Series7

    Season 6 (or whatever they are on) was done in one two hour episode. It should have gone on longer. Though that two hourer should have been shorter then, it got a little long. Wasn't he only there for a couple of months? The time frame didn't make a lot of sense. Good acting and idea though bad plot points and timing. Just to get back to the same House figures out the problem at the last minute concept.

  • It's cheaper to show Hero time travel (he's there, they stop the camera and the actor moves out of frame, then they start shooting again) than it is to do the CG for the frozen time effects.<p>I really hope they explain why Denko had the compass, why he felt it necessary to stash it, by itself with nothing else, in a safe deposit box, then feel the need to keep this one thing safe by swallowing the key. Whatever its importance, did Denko know? Because otherwise it seemed like a lot of effort to go to for a simple souvenir.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Best part of House...

    by Royston Lodge

    Your father's brain has been replaced with blood. Any doctor can see that, even a psychiatrist.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I talked to Eric Roberts a few weeks ago

    by D.Vader

    He's an awesome guy, first off. Very genuine and nice and friendly. Very talktative too. He didn't want to leave Heroes. He agreed with me that it was a stupid decision to kill him off, and the only reason they brought him back in that flashback episode last season was bc of complaints they received from fans. He agrees the producers are killing the show with their hubris.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Yeah its also cheaper to

    by Series7

    Do lame slo/mo/sped up? effects for fighting then to teach Peter how to fight...that or he was too much of a pussy to learn it. I'm betting on pussy.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    My guess is the broken compass revives whoever..

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    touches the other buried compass. Come on cockroach in the grave! Oh yeah, watched the show in 15 minutes last night by fast forwaring most of it. I highly recommend.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Yeah but DV like I said

    by Series7

    How expensive is it to get Eric Roberts and MM to come and make cameo apperences on the show? I bet that was probably a big factor.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    2 Hours Was a Mistake

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>You don't do a two hour premiere unless you're going to do a kick ass episode. It's just amplifies the viewers boredom to the point of exhaustion. Even if you liked that episode, you have to admit that nothing spectacular happened.</p> <p>I threw my arms up every time Sylar was in Parkman's head. Those scenes where just awful. Everything with Claire is awful. Everything with Ali Larter is awful. Hiro continuing to act like a child is awful. The only decent part of that ep was the carnivale guy, but that's only because we don't know how awful he's going to be yet.</p> <p>The only reason I'm on the fence about deleting this crap show from my DVR is that all the good stuff has been canceled and I need my TV fix. But it's really not worth it. NBC shows no interest in replacing the writers/show runner on this trainwreck. The should have used the strike as an opportunity to fire them all. But this is America, the country where shit floats and the "elite" never have to pay the price for their mistakes. I'm sure each of the writers will be rewarded with their own show someday.</p>

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I talked to Eric Roberts yesterday

    by MattmanBegins

    He wouldn't tell me where the Joker is.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I hope you broke Eric Roberts' legs, Mattman

    by D.Vader

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Difference between House and Heroes

    by Series7

    That cringe inducing Guitar Hero scene, compare that to the SHOULD have been cringe inducing House raps scene. Which turned out funny and nice. Its all in the acting and Heroes doesn't have any, especially from pudge pudge cheerleader girl.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Carnys, Cliches, and Cheerleaders oh my

    by Disney_Retcond_my_STD

    I struggled to keep my eyes open during that last hour. How dumb do the writers think we are? Get rid of the Water Delivery Guy and you'll turn Evil????? Enjoy the last season, because this show is over.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    2 hour House was awesome

    by MattmanBegins

    Felt like a little movie. And it was nice that it didn't follow the standard House formula.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Next time either of you talk to Eric Roberts ...

    by Itchy

    can you see if you can get me his daughter's telephone # ?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Heroes down 46% from last premiere

    by Lyghthouse Looks like it's the last season for Heroes. Can't say I'll miss it.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men

    by shodan6672

    Are there actually people here praising that show? I mean, seriously?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    everyone enjoy this final season of Heroes!

    by Tall_Boy66

    it got about 5 mil viewers, give or take, for the 2 hours, which in turn caused Leno to get about 5 million viewers and come in 3rd in his timeslot behind the 10 PM heavweights (Leno is down over 10 million viewers from his first show) The MNF game had a good finish anyway, so that may have taken away viewers. Anyway, yeah, if Heroes posts this number on it's very first episode, the series is a goner. I guess. How does 30 Rock and The Office do (Their numbers aren't exactly stellar...lemmie check...seeing last week: office does better, 30 rock didn't run, and Heroes had about the same viewers as "SNL Weekend Update Thursday". But Heroes is a lot more expensive). So, uh, yeah, bye bye Heroes.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    "I hope you broke Eric Roberts' legs, Mattman"

    by jim

    No, but he did cut off his thumb<br>"Charlie, they took my thumb!"

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    30 rock is still on i think

    by Series7

    Because of Lorean Micheals. Anyone else notice everyone and their mom thanked him at the Emmeys. He probably came on the set the other day and said, NBC wants to cancell the show but I did something to keep it on the air.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by itrainmonkeys

    they thanked lorne michaels because he's the one who made them who they are in the t.v. comedy world. Lorne found Tina and added her as a writer for SNL. Soon after made her the head writer and put her on Weekend Update. From there she's skyrocketed and got her own show (thanks to Lorne Michaels). Alec Baldwin had a career resurgence because of 30 Rock. Justin Timberlake has won Emmys now because of Lorne Michaels allowing him to stop by SNL so often. <br><br> they thanked Lorne Michaels because he's the guy to thank in their situations. and 30 Rock would not have been cancelled after the amount of Emmy wins last year

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    In other "television is dead" news...

    by Royston Lodge

    I actually bought a book the other day. And, I might even read it.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Books are dead too!

    by Series7

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    Thanks for pointing out the most obvious connections in the history of television. I know that. But if you watch last years awards everyone thanks the shit out of Tina Fey, for its writing....soooo why the big change this year? You don't think Micheal isn't pulling strings to keep that show alive?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by Royston Lodge

    I just got a OLPC laptop off eBay for less than C$150!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    One word:

    by DatoMan413


  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by DatoMan413

    The thing with this show is that it peaked hard in the first season and it is clear they did not plan for success. The stories are over and over again in track, characters added that make no sense and killed off with just as much thought, and no real character development.<br><br>Once Sylar became the Big Bad, greed and popularity took over and stories suffered. Not that blame the character or Spock ERRRR whatever his name is (yeah, he's Spock now), it's just that what do you do with something like that once you give him that much power?<br><br>What you don't do is add more characters and more powers that (and I understand the statement, but just ride with me)don't make sense. This season, we get a guy who can choke with a TATTOO, and Ray Park doing Ray Park with a bad haircut, blades, and...<br><br>dang, didn't he do that role before? Oh yeah, once with horns on his head, once with a horse and no head, and ...okay, fool is typecast, move on...<br><br>Oh, and Claire continuing to sort problems out by JUMPING OFF OF HIGH PLACES, then the obligatory setting bones back in place. Were into the fourth season and we're STILL doing this?<br><br>I will probably still watch, because I'm a glutton for punishment or something, but this is really looking like an exercise in futility. I just hope I'm wrong...

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    That's what I've been saying!!! Every new season is just a bad reboot. This is the first time we've ever gotten close to a coherent connection from the last season to the new one. <P> Except you still got Masi Oka who still doesn't know his powers, Sklar is back to zero power and is going to have to get all his power back (like he's done in all the other seasons). At least Claire/Rockey's Son have their powers and except them and use them, so we don't have to deal with those two learning it all over again.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    After Last Season & Now This

    by Wcwlkr

    I'm done with Heroes this show sucks. It's awful I mean just freaking awful. Can someone please EXPLAIN to me why they brought HRG back from the dead using Claire's blood but when they could've used it on Nathan they totally forgot about that? Heroes sucks please end this damn show!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    feel free to use that guys I came up with it anfter 30 minutes last night.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    DVR Numbers?

    by thevision

    When do the DVR numbers factor in? Next week sometme? If its the highest DVR series than there is a chance to get a Season 5. Personally, if this is the last season, no big deal- four years for a series like this is pretty good. It'll be showing as reruns on SyFy for the next 1000 years.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by brabon300

    they dealt with that plot hole<p> nathan got some of claire's blood when he got healed from the burn<p> the blood only works once, therefore, could not be used again<p> the whole blood thing was stupid anyway...stolen frome the weapon x plot line, and not done anywhere near as well<p> the super soldier plot line was stupid too<p> in this new arc, they have also stolen a power from a book that is in development for a movie<p> i do work for the writer<P> its the carny thing with the performers having powers related to their carny really wondering if this time they will be sued<P> would still be nice for someone to develop rising stars...which is a much better version of heroes and has a beginning and an end

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by DatoMan413

    Well, the whole thing with Hiro is just a letdown. It's like they forgot they made this guy into a badass in the future (that has been rewritten yada yada) but it's like he learned nothing. In other words NO DEVELOPMENT.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by Futureshock

    Yeah...I dont get a lot of the leaps of logic the characters come too. HRG goes from seeing knife wounds to Danko's stomach to theres something hidden in there? Clair has the most boring story and power. How useful would this power be in real life? I cut myself shaving and it heals instantly..yay. Its not like a person gets into a horrible accident or falls off of a bridge every week...well, Clair does. At least Peter was using his powers to help people finally. Although it looked like a Spiderman movie rip, sulking in a run down apartment listening to a police scanner. The effects still suck, but they always did. The carnival was kinda interesting. I hated the tattoo gimmick. They coulda come up with something better. I dont know, Ill probably watch for now, although I did quit watching last season at some pt.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    we still dont know what herc thinks

    by brabon300

    or if this will be his final tb for the show

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by BigEddieCalzone

    I mean it: they rip off Carnivale by making this "an ultimate confrontation between good and evil" and I am declaring a geek fatwah on this show. I'm SO over it.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Fuck this show...

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    I'm still gonna watch it (because I have nothing better to do) but it's become just so "meh". Not even "awful", just "meh". It never goes anywhere. At the beginning of every season the staus quo returns to normal, then some crazy shit happens, then there's a crap resolution. If they'd ended the last season with Sylar becomming the president it might have made this season interesting. Rather than sticking in a bunch of carival folk.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Also can they let some characters die!

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    No-one ever dies in this programme. Well actually that's a lie. They die, THEN COME STRAIGHT BACK TO LIFE! (or they have an identical clone sister, or have a super-powered serial killer turn into them).I would not be surprised if Danko comes back in some form or other. Maybe he has a long lost twin brother. With hair.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Hiro's sister????

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Why doesn't she have powers? Or at least know that her parents did and her brother does? This is the sort of sloppy planning that's typical of the Heroes writers. They just make this shit up as they go along.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    show sucks

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    still wanna bang hayden though

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Ok, fine. I'm watching the episode.

    by fain88

    There. Happy, internet?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Are These the Carny Folk

    by fain88

    everyone's talking about? Hmm. Seem interesting. At least moreso than the last two season of Heroes. Ooh, Ray Park!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Aaah, Where They Were

    by fain88

    and Where They Are. Still no cohesion. Still no central plot. Gotcha.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Claire's Roommate

    by fain88

    Hate her.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    But I Will Say

    by fain88

    that opening monologue was pretty nice.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    "I've Made No Secret

    by fain88

    of my love for your sister." Really? Am I just going crazy? Has that NEVER been mentioned, at least prominently, before?!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Spider-Pete, Spider-Pete

    by fain88

    Does whatever a Spider-Pete does. That was actually cool.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Obligitory Falling-Asleep-During-The-Test Dream Sequence

    by fain88

    Check. Oh, Claire doesn't fit in! *rolls eyes* SEEN IT.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    How the FUCK

    by fain88

    is Peter Petrelli currently my favorite character on this show? More importantly, how is Milo Ventimigliwhatevs my favorite actor? Is it Bizarro Day?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    The Hiro and Ando Comedy Hour

    by fain88

    This is getting WAAAAY too old. Here's a thought, blast the cat with your damn Red Arch and THEN have Hiro freeze time before it hits the ground.<br> <Br> Teamwork, bitches. Power Man and Iron Fist had it, and THEY were fucking Heroes for Hire.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Whaddayaknow? Freeze time. Duh.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    And PS

    by fain88

    when exactly did Ando's 'Power-Up' ability switch blatantly to a generic blaster ability? Could Ando still Power-Up other Heroes? Why should we care?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...this is Heroes. Of course the killer is Claire's roommate. Second. I'm done with this show. Seen everybody reintroduce themselves to each other and forget/retrocon 90% of the consequences of everything that has ever happened in the series four times now. That's enough.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Jack Coleman and Zjelko Ivanek

    by fain88

    both amazing actors going through the motions to get a paycheck. We've all seen it before.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Claire's Got a Buddy!

    by fain88

    I said I've seen this before! Got cotton in yer ears?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    But Good To Know

    by fain88

    the outside world is not oblivious to the Heroes and the shit they're pulling. "Google is your enemy, girl." Indeed!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Oh NOES!

    by fain88

    Something's wrong with Hiro's time-traveling powers!! *hits head on table repeatedly*

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    "Miss Petrelli, We're Here"

    by fain88

    Possibly the worst ADR performance I've ever heard. Maybe I'm being a little nit-picky. But it made me laugh out loud. So not so good.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    WTF? Now Sythan or Naylar or whatever the hell he is, actually seems to be intriguing as well? The world is upside down.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Nice Scene Ma Petrelli and Parkman

    by fain88

    and by 'Nice' I mean 'Badly Written and Badly Acted.'

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    OK, we can fix this. "Nathan, you don't have telekinesis. You just...uh...can make OTHER things fly like you fly! Sure, it's a gravity thing." Zzzzt! "I mean a weather thing." D'oh!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Whatever, Roommate Bitch

    by fain88

    you and me, 'Green Grass and High Tides.' Your ass is MINE.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    So The Company does actually operate within the U.S. Government? Mmmmmmmmkay...

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Claire's Jump...

    by Oldnewbie

    Was stupid. After all she's been through you'd think she'd have the sense NOT to pull a stunt like that where someone could potentially see her! That is a microcosm of what is wrong with the show.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    So that awesome speech in the beginning...pointless? Didn't mean it? Right.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    If One More Person

    by fain88

    says 'Redemption' in that shoe-horned, this-is-the-title-of-the-chapter way, I will shoot this bunny.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    OH SNAP!

    by fain88

    Get it, Nameless Haitian!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    So Peter's a HERO Now

    by fain88

    How...ironic. <<WHERE WAS THIS TWO YEARS AGO?!?>>

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    T-1000 vs. Darth Maul

    by fain88

    This SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!<br> <Br> I like it. It's very...postmodern I guess?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    "And That's How You Play Guitar Hero!"

    by fain88

    By stopping in the middle of the song? No, not really. Go away. Die.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Fain 88 is....

    by Disney_Retcond_my_STD

    More entertaining than that shitty two hours of heroes last night. Get NBC on the line and get this guy a Pilot commitment

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    "I Must Be Getting Better Every Second!"

    by fain88


  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    by fain88

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    OK, Piss Break

    by fain88

    Back in Two and Two.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Ando and Hiro are hiLARious!

    by fain88

    *said as Dave Chapelle's TV son about Nick Canon*

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    The Antics!

    by fain88

    Oh, the ANTICS! *VOMIT*

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    This Week,

    by fain88

    on a very special Hiro and Ando Comedy Hour...<br> <br> "I'm dying, Ando (for some reason and completely out of nowhere). Maybe soon (depending on if we get picked up for another half-season). I don't know (why---no, that's too easy)."

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Go Back in Time?

    by fain88

    Are you retarded, Ando? Do you somehow not get that is WHY he is DYING?!? GGRRAAAAAAAAAGGGG!!!!!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    The show was okay...

    by nonsensical

    The heroics portions were good, except that Peter's powers suck. The set up of the carnival group was better than I expected. Especially since this seems a better way to set up villains than the last foray into villains territory. Noah and the water clone had a pretty good start and might be the more interesting line to follow other than the carnival. Claire's story telegraphed the suicide/murder bit so loudly that it was painful which is to say it was bad... really bad. However it's not as bad as Hiro's never work right powers and lame story in which he gets his best friend to hook up with his sister. His "I'm dying" crap is even worse to deal with. Parkman's story has also become extremely lame and the Sylar haunting him crap is just plain stupid. Parkman should have been out of the show after this episode. Showing him setting with his wife and child and getting the life he wanted. Adding the Sylar element is just a weak way of keeping him in the mix. The only Sylar element should be Nate, which looked like it might take a good turn with him developing new powers and actually knocking on peters door for help to figure it out, but it didn't.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    It All Started

    by fain88

    at the carnival. Are you serious. At the CARNIVAL. This is...I...I have no words for how lazy this storytelling has become.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Hiro Nakamura Has Become Unstuck In Time

    by fain88

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Oh Irish Carny

    by fain88

    You are so sinister. Like a bag of razor blade candy apples.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Bye-bye, Roommate Bitch.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Alright Now

    by fain88

    those sneaky Sylar/Quinto shots are pretty creepy-awesome.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Say WHAAAAT?!

    by fain88

    Parkman's got a Harvey Sylar! Talk to John Crichton to get some help with that. Those things are annoying as HELL. <br> <br> ...unless you like margarita shooters.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Poor Noah.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Go Sandra!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I Don't Know, Hiro

    by fain88

    where are you? Are you, the time-travelling Hero who was just seconds ago talking about the possiblity of going back in time to a carnival that (APPARENTLY) has some deep meaning to you, perhaps, maybe, IN THAT EFFING CARNIVALE?!? <br> <br> Why do they make characters DO shit like that?! Is the audience really THAT dense it has to be spelled out like you were trying to explain it to a toddler or your dog?!? <br> <br> "I must have time travelled!" No, REALLY Sherlock?! Christ, didn't you used to be my favorite part of this show?! EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!! QUESTION MARKS?????

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Hiro Took The Picture!

    by fain88

    Of himself! Get it?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    "No, I Distinctly Remember

    by fain88

    being impressed with how crisp her pillow case was and that there was no suicide note."<br> <br> Wow. Atrocious acting or the worst writing ever? You be the judge.<br> <Br> SPOILER:<br> It's both.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Hayden Needs To

    by fain88

    lay off them cigarettes. She's gettin' a bit raspy.<br> <br> That's right, walk away Marishka Harraragshtaty look-alike, with your short, styled hair. You're ALL detectives.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    They just used...the 'Bwong' the racist Asian background music. Like, the Family Guy 'I work hard all day 'cause I'm no fun. BWOOONG' bwong sound. Remarkable.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Hey Now

    by fain88

    wasn't that Sinister Irish Carny...Irish? Nice accent, brotha.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Incoming Slushy!

    by fain88

    Did NOT see that one coming! *more head banging*

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    This season's premiere was way better!

    by Snake Foreskin

    I actually liked it a lot. I hope they haven't shot themselves in the eye with the last two seasons being to craptastic.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Transmission Interrupted

    by fain88

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    So What Exactly

    by fain88

    are Sinister Irish Carny's powers? Being super badass? Like, with tats an' shit?<br> <br> Or maybe he's Ultimo Carny. "The games aren't rigged. HE is."

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    "Definately One of Us...

    by fain88 of me."<br> <br> Now, if we had any inclination as to what you Heroes are, where you come from, or any gall-durned character who even slightly CARED to find out, that line might mean something.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Noah Bennett

    by fain88

    gettin' all CSI on our asses.<br> <br> But the question becomes...the key was RIGHT THERE? Isn't Ray Park a speedster? Why didn't he, I dunno...GRAB IT? The mind boggles.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    "Yeah, Thanks Roy."

    by fain88

    Fucking Roy.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Kick the Habit?

    by fain88

    Like mind reading is a drug? <br> <br> Actually...actually, that's a pretty damn ingenious idea. Bet they don't do anything with it or abandon it withing two episodes, though.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    "'Cause he's super fast...

    by fain88

    ...and has a thing for knives."<br> <Br> I....<br> <br> *heavy sigh*<br> <Br> Goodie! More Claire.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    So Noah's Telling Peter

    by fain88

    NOT to be a...well, let's just say it, a superhero. 'Cause that's what Peter is right now. And Peter, God help me, is the direction this show should have gone from the beginning. Christ on a crutch.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Broken Compass

    by fain88

    Sounds like a Death Cab song.<br> <br> "Now THAT'S a knife."

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Bullet Time Super Speed

    by fain88

    Weeery interesting. Dunno if that was super cool or sorta' lame. But Ray Park PWNS!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Peter Petrelli

    by fain88

    A real life superhero. Best part of the show.<br> <br> And Noah keeps trying to pull him back into the innaneness going on all over this show.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    "Racist Asian Background Music"

    by Toonol

    You really just said that?

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Claire's 'Rowr'

    by fain88

    Cute. That is all I will say.<br> <br> Wonder where this is headed...

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Dammit, Harvey Sylar!

    by fain88

    You ruin everything. This is why we can't have nice things!

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Either I'm Running Out of Material

    by fain88

    or this episode is just dragging its ass.<br> <br> Probably a combination of both.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Butterfly Effect? Bah!

    by fain88

    Superstitious nonesense and hokum! Ando and Kimiko were just always together.<br> <br> Causality, you say? Don't make up words, boy.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Harvey Sylar is the SHIT!

    by fain88

    Zachary Quinto, superb acting chops. That's the Sylar I know and loathe.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Clam Chowder from Boston?

    by fain88

    Oh, his superspeed! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!<br> <br> *Waa-WAAAAAAAAAAAH*

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Ali Larter

    by fain88

    your character is officially no longer interesting. Bleh.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    I Swear to Baby Jesus

    by fain88

    if they try to force a relationship between Tracy and Noah, I will burn buildings. LIVING buildings. This is not an idle threat.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Fucking Roy.

    by fain88

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Well, that certainly episode of Heroes.<br> <br> Think I like the Carnies. I think. But mostly I'm filled with a general sense of malaise. Just don't care that much.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Dear Mr Kring please hire fain88

    by Xiphos_2

    He's got his shit wired tight and he can help clean up your mess. Think about and get back to me thanks.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Heroes is now a shadow of its shadow.

    by Ash0k

    Guess the Veronica Mars girl joined the wrong show.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    thought it was much improved...

    by Gilgamish

    I felt the set up was interesting, there is some mystery with the Carnies that has me interested in another installment... the dialogue and interaction between characters is much improved, particularly liked the bits between Peter & Noah, as well as Parkman and Sylar. They seem to finally be taking the show into a new direction. Some sparks of creativity there, if not completely original ideas (seriously, is there such a thing anymore? Superhero comics have pretty much run out of new ideas, they just rehash and repackage). Clearly this will not be enough for the jaded talkbackers and jilted fanboys that love a good story slightly less than they love tearing down anything that doesn't satisfy their own personal brand of critical elitism, but what's really sad is even if the remainder of the season pays better than expected dividends on what is by all accounts an above average set up for a new season, the show has lost it's audience to a point that I doubt it will be able to save itself. While Lost has managed to re-capture it's fan base for the most part after drifting listlessly for a season and a half early on, this was mostly due to the writers/producers sacking up and giving and end date for their story, allowing them to move the plot forward. This isn't going to happen with Heroes. I really like most of the cast and the characters, but Kring should have stuck to his original idea and made each season focus on a brand new cast with only occasional involvement of the prior seasons characters... it would have kept it fresh. In any case, guess we can all ride the fourth and last season into it's grave. Hopefully they will at least give it a good death, and not die on the shitter.

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Heroes Writers, you try so hard

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'll give you that this first episode has amazingly superior writing and acting. You've learned alot from your continual stumbling and failing. <BR><BR> HOWEVER, you have got to start thinking about your characters deeper. Do you seriously think Tracy would trust Noah so quickly?? He kidnapped her, tortured her, and used her to betray her son ( ok he's not really her son ) <BR><BR> And have Peter and Nathan abandoned their "family" idea from last season so quickly? I guess it makes sense that Nathan would but Peter? It's like you're rebooting him to end of the 1st season.<BR><BR> Actually it's alot like that for every one of them. Maybe this is a good thing.<BR><BR>PLEASE for the love of god tell me that there are more carnies with cool powers that aren't just "guest stars". Give these people some depth and don't make them one trick ponies.<BR><BR> And stop using the muther fucking Hatian for everything. He's an awesome character, but damn...even the best jokes start to sound stupid if you tell it too many times. <BR><BR>And while I'm on it... bring back the black hole guy! You could have had an awesome story arc for him.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by smackaddictfromhell

    So disappointing that it finished in 4th spot. Last night was a great episode, except how dumb is Claire, throwing herself out the window into a very public place and then claiming she wants a "normal life" just a bit silly.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    you've got to be f***ing kidding me

    by altoandando

    this show humiliates anyone who watches it. period. are you seriously telling me it's still on?

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 4:02 a.m. CST


    by Wcwlkr

    Thanks for the explaination I just never remembered hearing them explaining that the blood only works once. I just thinking the writing on this show is lazy & piss poor. That was the most boring 2hrs period. I could care less about whatever direction their going into. It's also become incredibly predictable. What Claire's going to throw herself out the window & her new friend is going to see it? Wow I didn't see that coming. LMAO Really Tracey is going to hook up with HRG man that's so shocking. This show sucks!

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Needs to get laid. Like soon.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    i think the final nail in the coffin for me was..

    by TheManWhoCan

    at the end of one episode where HRG tells his family that he brought someone to protect them while hes gone, and Claires Bio-mom steps forward and does some flame shit with her hand! Cringeworthy camera work/acting/pacing/logic (why would stepping towards a frightened family with your hand on fire to instill confidance?didn't there last house burn down?)Ha .. the next episode flame maker protector woman gets kidnaped!!

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST


    by palewook

    were horrible. 50% under last years premiere ratings.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Heroes Podcast

    by Mr. Zeddemore

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Okay, so I'll watch the premiere...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...since i have 3 days off and it's too early to do anything else.<p> Initial thoughts: The Office did parkour better than Peter.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Well, if anything, this show

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    just turned me on to "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" which hadn't even dented my radar before now.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    What's working....

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...the Bennet/Larter stuff, of course. But surprisingly, so is Claire Goes To College(Zima is helping a lot, though) and Peter's story is where it should have been in S2. The Carnivale, errr, carnival has potential.<p> What doesn't work: Everything else. Nathan/Parkman/Sylar need to go the fuck away. AS IF PARKMAN WOULD TALK OUT LOUD TO IN-HEAD NUMBER SIX, ERR, SYLAR. Hiro needs to die, but I want Ando around using his powers and being a rock star about it, lots of story potential there.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Lots of holes in der plots

    by Mr_Satan

    <p>Like many of you said to hole-y. They need to give Peter all his powers back. Sylar's coming back by mid-season possibly not before driving Parkman to have someone kill themselves.<p> <p>And why the fuck is Parkman talking to a hallucination? I mean seriously he fucking knows better than that. He makes people see things. He should know to just think it and the hallucination will hear it. He is in his own head.<p> <p> Oh and back to Peter. He should have kept Suresh's power. Super-speed can't get a door off someone trapped in a car, or Stuck in a burning building. And why isn't he concerned about getting his girlfriend back from that future? He's the one who's supposed to be so empathetic and caring that he can handle all the powers he had with out abusing them. You'd think he'd find Hero and go looking for the girl. That's just writers trying to forget everything that's happened up to that point.<p> And they better not put Noah and Tracy together. It's stupid Noah's a family man. I see him trying to get his wife back more than hook-up with a water elemental, who kills people.<p> <p> And Claire's new friend killed her roommate and works for the Carnies. They telegraph the fuck out of that. Such lazy writing. But they are going to make them kiss this season; for all your pervs who want to see a hot girl kiss a young Maggie Gyllenhellaugly. The girl isn't that ugly but she will get there.<p> <p> And last but not least FAIN88 your fucking funny guy. BRAVA.. Brilliant break down of the show.<p>

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    You didn't mention one plot-hole in that post. Just stuff that bugged you. Closest you came was Caitlin, but that's not a plot-hole so much as a dropped plot-line that Peter can't fix because he can't time-travel... and Hiro can't fix because he doesn't know about it.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    It's Over

    by Jaydog

    I was one of those guys that kind of avoided Heroes until I knew it was going to stick around for more than 6 episodes. I actually watched all of the first two seasons in one marathon weekend before the third season. I more or less agree with all of the things that have been said here about them---the first had it's problems but kept me largely on the edge of my seat. The second was terrible, but I cut it some slack because of the stupid writer's strike. The third was hit and miss, but mostly miss. I now realize why we all liked the first season so much---this was the baseline season, where the writers had yet to establish the "rules" for their characters, their powers and their relationships. We just went along for the ride and waited with bated breath to see what they would throw at us next. But after that first season....hmm after that, the writers seemed to forget their own rules. But we didn't. Randomly changing charcter motivations, powers, etc., isn't a plot twist---it's just bad writing. Now here we are with the fourth season, and a few things are abundantly clear: 1) These characters and the actors who play them are worn out and played out. We have definitely seen enough of them. I know NBC originally thought some of these people were budding, break out stars. By now it's obvious that didn't pan out. They are ALL despensible, I don't know why the writers and/or network cling to them as if they are the backbone of their show. If you can write Paul Sorvino, Benjamin Bratt, Dennis Farina, and how many countless other actors out of Law and Order, you can write that short, chubby, pointless cheerleader out. You can write out the chubby cop. You can write out the not-sinister-or-scaryin-anyway-whatsoever Sylar guy. You can write out Ali Larter and all of her lame, contributing nothing characters, etc. etc. None of these people are "stars" and their "chracter development, as it were, has certainly run its course. 2) the premier was simply boring and uneventful. I mean really, what actually happened in those two hours? Clair went to school and Sylar/Nathan had an identity crisis. Oh yeah, some super fast guy also took 45 minutes of screen time to get a compass. Yawn. 3) The writer use the EXACT SAME plot devices every frigging year. What the hell is up with the paintings every season? is this the only way they know how to advance a plot? Okay, okay, so for the first three seasons they had people actually making paintings. So am I supposed to not notice that this chick with her tattoos telling people what to do isn't the same thing, lol? All and all, I will say that I will watch the show until it finished this volume. But this volume will be the last. NBC will release whatever is left over on the DVD for this, it's last season. RIP Heroes. you hade me at "Hello", but then you lost me in Feudal Japan. Just my two cents though. -J.

  • Sept. 23, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Zeddmore they are so holes

    by Mr_Satan

    <p>Yep said that like a 5 year old. think about it. Peter goes to the future gets his girlfriend taken, comes back here wants to save her. Next season forgot he had her. That is holish.<p> <p>I said Pete should get with Hero because Hero is the person he remembers can travel through time. Either you go forward and get her there. Or you go back in time and stop yourself from taking her into the future its an easy fix. Look at that I just fixed the damn problem and I only have a California High School Diploma.<p> <p>On to Parkman who talks in peoples heads, talks out loud to someone in his own. Wait no that's just dumb, you got me on that one.<p> And the Claire's friend does look like Gyllenhag. Not a plot hole just a point. Someone else brought that up earlier I just though I'd piggyback on that sows back. How anyone can think she's attractive is beyond me.

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The roommate's killer...

    by JimStansel

    Probably too late to add to this TB seeing as how it hasn't been touched in days. But am I the only one who thinks the female cop (the one who 'found' the suicide note) was the one who did her in? Based on the previews for next week, it looks more like her talking to T-Bag than the college girl.