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Loads of network shows returned Thursday night, so this might be a decent time to check in with Nielsen for adults 18-49: 4.1 The Office 3.8 Community 3.6 Survivor 3.2 Bones 3.1 Fringe 2.7 The Jay Leno Show 2.1 Parks and Recreation 2.0 SNL Thursday 2.0 CSI (r) 1.9 The Mentalist (r) 1.8 Grey’s Anatomy (9 p.m. r) 1.6 The Vampire Diaries 1.3 Grey’s Anatomy (8 p.m. r) 1.2 Supernatural “The Office” and “Community” won the night in key demos with no new “CSI” and “Grey’s Anatomy” with which to contend. “Bones” and “Fringe” were both down 9% from their 2008 premieres, but “Fringe’s” season-two premiere was up a whopping 21% compared to the 2008 premiere of “Kitchen Nightmares,” which occupied the timeslot last fall. “Survivor” is off to its worst-ever start (like a lot of reality shows, it tends to build its audience as players get eliminated) but still won its timeslot by a good margin. CBS is wisely repeating its excellent premiere episode Saturday night, so that could help it next week. Also, the show should get a nice bump with its second all-star edition debuting at midseason. “SNL Thursday,” NBC’s top-rated scripted show last fall leading up to the election of Barack Obama, is now the network’s lowest-rated Thursday-night show. (SNL not only had the election but also a cushier post-“Office” 9:30 timeslot last season.) Digression. Speaking only for myself, I thought SNL easily last night's funniest half-hour. I laughed especially hard at the “Really?!?” segment on Kanye West and Will Forte as squeamish Congressman Joe Wilson: “I don’t know if you know this about me, but I’m not known for Any. Other. Things!” If you missed it, watch now without annoying commercial interruption: End digression. “Vampire Diaries” fell 27% in the adult demo from its debut last week. “Supernatural,” whose season premiere fell 18% from its 2008 fall debut, fell further yesterday. Of course the real tale will be told next week, when the season premieres of ratings monsters “CSI,” “Grey’s Anatomy” and “The Mentalist” join the fray. Find much more informed and thoughtful analysis from The Hollywood Reporter’s James Hibberd here.
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  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    The Office was pretty funny tonight

    by Motfilms

    I thought it was back. Thank God. Last season was questionable. Andy thinking he might be gay was the best.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    good to see community did well

    by JettL93

    lets hope it keeps those numbers, it's a really funny show reminds me of scrubs before it sucked<P>I still say NBC should drop SNL thursdays, movie Parks & Recreation to 8:00, Community at 8:30, followed by Office at 9:00 and 30 rock at 9:30<P>that would be the perfect night of comedy and possible a return to the seinfeld/cheers anchord line up of the early 90's

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I Thought The Office Was Pretty Terrible

    by Crow3711

    The entire thing seemed like a cheap shtick where everyone, from cast to writers, tried entirely too hard. Do they ever do any actual work, or even talk about work, or anything on the show anymore? It's a sad shell of what it was, IMO. Both Parks & Rec and Community were much funnier. And if Fringe gets canceled because they moved it out of Tuesday, where it would have continued to dominate, I will be really disappointed. The premiere was great, but Thursday is entirely too crowded. Flashforward is also premiering next Thursday if I'm not mistaken. WTF is with that?

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I watch the office in 4 hr blocks

    by YackBacker

    All hail HULU!!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Fringe better not get killed in this new timeslot...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...and get cancelled before its second season is finished like 90% of all Fox sci-fi shows.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by SanityKaos

    Why the frak is Saturday Night Live on Thursday?

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by yubnubrocks

    lowest? really? ya know, it's the best show no one watches. period.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by MediaNerd

    I didn't even know Supernatural was back on. That is one of the key reasons that show has had so many's episode release is all over the place. I hope this isn't like last season where they'd show an episode, take a month of, show two episodes, take a month off, ect.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    I Wish People Would Shut Up About This Supernatural Show

    by Crow3711

    On every single fucking talkback related to television. If it mattered in any way, it wouldn't be rated lower than TWO repeats of Grey's Fucking Anatomy. Get off it already. You aren't convincing anyone.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Figures. It's all political shit anyway.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Fringe should have stayed on Tuesdays

    by Titus05

    FOX is stupid to move Fringe into the Thursday time might last until December and then either get cancelled or more likely moved to another day

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    It was a shit night on NBC

    by HoffmanPasander

    Network television is just dying a slow death. When all they can muster up is Parks and Recreation, it's time to give up. All the big media outlets - newspapers, TV shows, movie studios - have assumed they'll be fine because of tradition and the fact that people don't know any better. The internet will kill them off forever and it was be all their own fault.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by ineffable

    was pretty awesome last night. It's a shame people aren't watching the show.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Don Pardo

    by daggor

    So, I assume those were pre-recorded? Will they be using Pardo on the proper Sat. night show too?

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Too Many Shows on Thursday Night

    by Zod_

    There's nothing basically on Mon/Tues/Weds. But Fringe, Supernatural, Survivor, The Office are all on thurs nights. Maybe they should spread it out a bit. I end DVR'ing them and watching them later (While fast forwarding through the commercials). I guess its just my viewing habits.. but I wish they'd spread it out a little. Thursday seems tight to me.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Yay Community!

    by GunterMonkey

    I hope that one makes it...I was impressed by the writing and acting in the premiere...looking forward to more...

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I agree JettL93

    by GunterMonkey

    That would be a solid's hoping!

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Survivor is off to a bad start?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Not according to those numbers, there. It did much better than SNL and Fringe.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Please let LENO and VAMPIRE DIARIES die quicker deaths!

    by SpyGuy

    Shame about SUPERNATURAL, though.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Community was HILARIOUS

    by BadMrWonka

    I hope it keeps it up. <p>the little throwaway lines were so spot on, I was laughing throughout. "I'm giving my homework to Slumdog Millionaire". seriously funny.<p>Can't wait for 30 Rock.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by Ky-El

    This show continues to be one of the best geek shows on TV. Don't know how fans keep overlooking it. It's funny, heartbreaking, badass and actually has characters that change and grow. When something happens it impacts the characters and they don't fall back into just regular Sam and Dean. Like Dean not letting go of his what he said last week and basically giving Sam the push out the door.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Office was good, not great, Community started well

    by chromedome

    Hope they both get better and stronger as the season goes on

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    How bout Sunny?

    by Frojitsu

    It wasn't the best episode ever, but still some funny shit

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I'm very happy for Community

    by ackack

    Hope it has a long and healthy run. I also hope that Joel Mchale keeps doing the soup.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by crucifictorious

    Supernatural fans will always keep talking about Supernatural. The ratings don't really prove its not worth anything. Rolling Stone just listed it as like #27 on their 50 reasons to watch tv this season. Even if the fans do sometimes hijack a talkback, this is technically a thread that it belongs in as its mentioned in the article, so they can talk about it all they want here. Another great episode this week, by the way.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST


    by Castiel

    <p>it is the best show that no one seems to watch. this weeks episode was rather well done. some good guest stars this ep. Samantha Ferris from 4400, Alona Tal from veronica mars, Steven Williams from the x-files</p> <p>Both Mark Pellegrino (lucifier!) and Titus Welliver(war) from lost ( Jacob and esau?) have been in eps 1 and 2 this season</p> <p> castiel this ep seemed oddly emotional, change of direction this season?</p> <p> if you haven't watched it, do a catchup now! like many of you i didnt watch until i thought id give it a shot beacuse of talkback chatter and im totally glad i did. there's a lot of us supernatural fans about, we'd like a talkback but due to hercs almost pathological dislike for all things supernatural that isn't written by buffy writing staff, we haven't got one and the only time we can talk about it is in talkbacks which have a mention of supernatural in it for fear of getting banned.</p>

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by crucifictorious

    I read an interview yesterday in my college paper where Mchale had a phone conference with a bunch of people, and he said that NBC and E! worked the schedules out so he can do both shows still. So sounds like he'll be sticking around with the Soup still. :D

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    That was the worse episode of FRINGE ever. Spoilers.

    by felwithe

    Just awful, terribad writing. <p> At the end of last season I was pretty much hooked, despite the show's flaws. But this episode was worse than even the worst season 1 ep. Just bad on a "Jesus, who the fuck wrote this and then who let them spend millions to film it" level. <p> Olivia loses her memory so that she can't remember anything that happened after the finale-- well, that's convenient. The worst, though, was the dialogue. When Hot Black FBI did the speech about soldiers I rolled my eyes so far I gave myself a headache. Yes, they added another character who can't act-- Hot Black FBI chick. Her suits look like they were designed by Madonna. <p> The show is going to have to get a lot of good reviews this season for me to waste time on it again.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Too much on Thursday

    by solvseus

    I agree, way too much good stuff on Thurs. Done with Heroes probably, but some of the CBS comedies are alright and House can be ok in small doses. Tues = nothing. Wed = nothing (though Glee seems to have promise). Thurs = Supernatural (Vampire Diaries sux), Bones/Fringe, NBC's comedies, other crap I don't care about but others might. Fri = a few good things, but nothing I can't DVR or d/l, or miss and not care. Sat = nothing. Sun = Fox's hit and miss adultoons. I might actually have to get a life. Thanks a lot network TV, you dinosaur.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST


    by pumaman

    It really is in a bad time slot, especially considering it'll be going head to head against the US's most popular tv show ( apart from American Idol ) ,CSI when it returns to our screens. I loved the season 2 opener and cannot say enough good things about the show as a whole. There are enough fans of this show (worldwide already) to make it a huge success, so I'm not worried about it.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I'm glad SN isn't this "HUGE HIT"

    by David Cloverfield

    They may finish it this season as they planned, so the network won't buffy it out for two more unconvincing add-on seasons. It can finish when it was supposed to without overstaying it's welcome. It's selling like crazy on DVD, so it will get to those who are interested. And yes, the episode was awesome.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST


    by Spidermonkee

    Herc only posted this story because Supernatural placed last. Since when does he post the Nielsen ratings for a given weeknight? Oh, well. At least it's a TB where I can mention Supernatural and not have my post removed within minutes. Btw, I highly doubt that the audience that tuned in for a rerun of Grey's Anatomy would know what good tv is anyway.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Rock, Muscle Cars, Guns, and Demons

    by MacReady452

    Yeah nothing to like there. Supernatural is fuckin great.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    What a matter with you yanks!!!

    by DC Films

    Supernatural is fucking great show!<p>Watch it, before the ratings get it canned!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Parks and Recreation

    by felwithe

    I really like it, but has anyone noticed that The Office has totally ripped off their format?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Neilson doesn't mean shit.

    by Swoomustdie

    Dollhouse started off Episode One with a 2.04 rating in the 18-49, it ended it's season with a 1.0 in the same range. With Hulu, DVR, and other free online viewing nowadays (you can catch Supernatural for free from the WB website) the Neilson ratings are now an outdated measuring stick.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Nielsen

    by Swoomustdie

    Yay for posting in talkbacks when I'm half asleep!

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 8 a.m. CST


    by spooky2k

    Really? Do you think a shows ratings are based solely on how good that show is? Open your eyes my friend. TV shows get cancelled because of bad ratings, not bad story/writing/episodes. Case in point: Firefly. A networks scheduling can really screw up a shows ratings. As someone else already said, Supernaturals biggest problem is the marketing behind it. No one knows when it started, when the next ep will air, so on so forth. Many fans no doubt missed the season premier and second ep and I tell you, Supernatural is a master class in great budget TV making. You're missing out.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by Crow3711

    I was waiting for someone to bring up firefly in response to my post. Fine. I'll go watch an episode of your Supernatural. Then I'll give a more informed opinion next time. And no, I don't think ratings matter at all really, look at The Wire, universally ignored its entire run. However, I do think it says something that the show is beneath two repeats of greys anatomy. That says something, like it or not.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by ghosttomost

    anyone catch when joel mchale was called seacrest on community? that cracked my shit up, seriously. a cool shout out to joel mchale and the soup fans....

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    @Crow3711 (Grey's Anatomy Reruns)

    by thethirdman3

    What it tells me that popular show on a major network (in more homes by the way) will be beat a smaller network show in fewer homes.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Supernatural has the...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Babylon Five problem. Now I watch Supernatural. I watched Babylon Five. Both shows managed to create interesting narratives. Both shows managed to create interesting, funky low budget styles that were admirably engaging. However, Supernatural, like Babylon Five, has an acting/dialogue problem that is off-putting and often ends up undercutting the narrative power of the show. Padalecki, especially, appears to be a painfully bad actor. He declaims his lines like the lead in a high school play (or say, Claudia Christian in B5) and strikes poses for the camera instead of, you know, acting. Characters are not rounded, sometimes given an occasional quirk but never real personality traits not related to driving the narrative. Sometimes the strength of individual performers (Robert Wisdom for example) overcomes the point a to point b march, but what keeps the show from being great is that it has not created great characters. That said, on a genre site like AICN...Supernatural has certainly been good enough (and popular enough with the site's users) that it's sort of criminal that it hasn't had a regular spot of its own in coaxial.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    Anyone else see that in the offseasson herc posted one of his billion talkbackvertisements for dvds at amazon and put supernatural in the headline? So we should all go jump at the opportunity to buy the dvds because herc brought it to our attention, yet he refuses to actually give the SHOW attention?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...won me over with a great finishing kick through the last half dozen episodes of season one, but I have to agree that the season two opener was pretty flaccid. The budgeting thread was stupid from a number of different angles for anyone with even a passing familiarity with the actual budgeting process and the beats of the "soldier" plot were mind-numbingly predictable. There were some nice character beats, but Fringe didn't come out of the gates running.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Fuckin idiotic talkbacker

    by Ryanbraun14

    Crow3711 said: "I Wish People Would Shut Up About This Supernatural Show" On every single fucking talkback related to television. If it mattered in any way, it wouldn't be rated lower than TWO repeats of Grey's Fucking Anatomy. Get off it already. You aren't convincing anyone."<br><br>That's terrible logic. So since teenage girls go crazy for gossip girl/90210/melrose place etc. and get the ratings up, it means those are better shows than others because they have higher ratings? Stupid as fuck.<br><br>And if you REALLY have read as many posts as you say about supernatural you would now that a)ONE talkback would put that to a stop and b) TONS AND TONS AND TONS of people on the talkbacks have finally given in and tried out the show. Everyone tells them to be patient for a season/season and a half and then it will own them. EVERY person who has tried has come here and said the talkbackers were right and its a great show. The worst response to it I've heard from someone who gave it a chance was along the lines of 'it is a good show, but not the best on tv as some of you guys think.' Oh yeah, and *I* was one of the many talkbackers who gave in and gave the show a chance and its now my favorite show on tv by a mile.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    there were some episodes in the first half of the season of fringe where I fell asleep and finished them when i woke up and wasn't very entertained. But the show kept picking up steam and the walter/peter father-son dynamic is the best on TV (next best would be psych). <br><br>But the season finale got me pumped because they finally showed that they have a much bigger plan for the show's direction than I thought they'd have.<br><br>After the end of the season premiere, I felt like fringe took a step foward in a similar way Angel did for season five, or Chuck did in season two--major gamechanging plots that throw things in a whole new direction.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Ryanbraun14

    Red Ned Lynch--I totally disagree with your post, and really hope it doesn't turn a potential fan off from giving the show a chance, but for the record, I respect your opinion and respect it because you clearly have put thought into it and clearly have given the show a chance. The only thing i'm unsure of is whether or not you've seen all the episodes. <br><br>If herc would have wrote what you posted, word for word, it would actually appease a good portion of us who are so frustrated with herc's silent treatment.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Well, that's it for Fringe, then.

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    After all, it is on FOX. Too bad. The fact that Anna Torv is Rupert Murdoch's niece probably won't save it either. She's Murdoch's niece by a previous marriage, so Rupert won't give a rip. Damn FOX and their idiotic programming decisions made by a abused, brain-damaged former lab chimpanzee flinging shit at two rotating wheels emblazoned with show names on one wheel and time slots on the other.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    You guys know SUpernatural is on its last season right?

    by torontoxic

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    oops...hit enter

    by torontoxic

    I thought everyone knew is was designed to be a 5 season show? <P> So the ratings can do whatever the fuck they want. Let Survivor and the Office get watched more.Unless whatever you're advertising during those shows is dipped in chocolate the ad dollars are better spent on Supernatural anyway.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    the ad dollars are better spent on Supernatural anyway.

    by Ryanbraun14

    I love the show, but actually, if this is the last season, from a business standpoint, the ads are better spent on other shows (maybe advertise a ton about how clark will wear the S this season--bring viewers who were tired of clark not progressing towards being superman, get them back and hooked and then with the higher ratings, do 'metropolis' like so many want)And then just run supernatural reruns alot and hope people go buy the dvds<br><br>However, I did read that the actors are signed on for a season 6... not sure if they're going to do it, but they are signed for it.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Ryanbraun14

    I missed this part of what Red Ned Lynch said: " what keeps the show from being great is that it has not created great characters."<nr><br>If you've seen all the episodes, I cannot believe you think that Dean and Castiel are not great characters... they're INCREDIBLE characters. Criticise Sam--that i can understand--but Dean and Castiel are brilliant characters... as was Sam and Dean's dad, and you could also argue that the prophet is a great character too.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...please understand me. I do more than give the show a chance. I watch it. I enjoy it. I'm a horror/fantasy whore, and unless you wander into Stargate (sorry, Stargate fans, but I just can't) territory I'm going to hang in there with you. And Supernatural is a long way from Stargate territory. But do I find Supernatural frustrating? Yeah, because it so often seems so close to being a great show. I love shows that create big colorful mythologies and Supernatural offers that in heaping tasty plates. Please don't think I was trashing the show, because that certainly wasn't my intent. My post was to point out why for me Supernatural was good but not great, and also to speculate on whether that was the reason it wasn't able to break out wider. Trust me, television will be a little darker place when Supernatural is no longer on the air.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Further, Ryanbraun14...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...there is some truth in what you said about the Fringe premiere. As an episode (especially a season premiere) I still think it was weak, but there were bits (like the new FBI agent starting her little log on Fringe cases and checking them against the Bible) that hinted at some great possibilities going forward.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Ryanbraun14

    It may not have come across well, but the whole point of my response to you in the first place was to say how I respect your opinion. I get so sick of these fuckin morons who don't know shit about he show yet feel like they know enough to slam it, with their baseless insults. It was refreshing to hear someone criticise the show fairly while showing they have at least given the show a chance. I disagree greatly when you said there aren't great characters, as dean and castiel are two of the most compelling on tv right now imho.<br><br>I also responded to someone above who said us supernatural fans 'aren't convincing anyone.' While that statement alone is complete bullshit, as people have been giving it a chance after hearing so much about it on the talkbacks, but my response to that was that the WORST responses i've read were nothing more than 'its not as great as you guys make it out to be, but its a good show.' Case in point: You. whether or not you realized it, you proved my point exactly--you've given it a chance, see shortcomings but ultimately admit its a good show--just not mindblowing.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Super Supernatural

    by california_mtz

    Supernatural is off to a great start this season and it has been consistently kicking TV's ass now for years. If I had the money, I'd buy Herc the Blu-Ray's so maybe he'd watch an episode or two out of courtesy and then he'd have to acknowledge the awesomeness of the show! But I don't. At least I got my sister, who's a huge Buffy & Angel fan, into it. She's working her way through season 1 right now & I told her it just keeps getting better & better.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't worry, you weren't mean in any way. I actually posted again because I was afraid I'd been mean by giving the impression that I absolutely didn't like the show (keep in mind though that we are currently engaging in an epic talkback fail by being this civil). And actually the talkbacks did result in my becoming a regular watcher of Supernatural. I watched the first few episodes of season one. I didn't dislike the show but I didn't like it enough to remember to watch it weekly and just sort of fell away from it. Talkback hijackers late in season two convinced me to take another look and I've been watching it since. And for further proof of just how welcome talkback partisans can be, I was convinced to watch The Wire by talkbackers when that show was in season three. I had only given it the most cursory of looks because it had the misfortune of coming out when a glut of procedurals were flooding the airwaves and they all just sort of blurred together in my head. I went back and rented the first two discs of season one and thereby discovered my all-time favorite show.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Ryanbraun14

    Well then that just makes you a douchebag. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>And all is right in the world of aintitcool talkacks again.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Supernatural fans already won.

    by A for Aristocrat

    Despite any haters that want to gloat about the ratings the fans and crew of Supernatural have already won. It was a five year story. They got their five years. The only loss is there was a chance of spinning the show off or creating an new epic story after this one concluded. Considering no one including the shows creator thought this would last more than a season or two, this is a great victory.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Now I feel clean again

    by Red Ned Lynch

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Community is fantastic

    by solanine

    Cannot wait for more of that show. Always Sunny had a decent premiere, even with a somewhat weak subplot in Dee selling her uterus. <p> Did anyone watch Archer? Total garbage. No wonder FX didn't publicize it. It's much better as the Venture Bros.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by Zardoz

    Was spot on with it's targeting of the 3 assholes from last week: Joe Wilson, Kanye West and Serena Williams. And unfortunately, their temper tantrums and outbursts are indicative of just how far social civility has fallen in America...

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    supernatural season starter

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    was not great, tbh. The second episode was much better.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by GunterMonkey

    One of the best comedies on TV--needs more love around here!!

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    There is Way Too Much Emphasis

    by Karuma

    Put on the 18-49 demographic. Here's a fact. 19-49 year old's DON'T WATCH AS MUCH TV

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by ghost_matt

    We wanted to watch the premiere, but unfortunately we're still not caught up. We're watching the dvds and we're still only on the second disk of season 2. The thing is there are SO many shows we're trying to watch on dvd (Supernatural, 24, The Sopranos, and my wife hasn't seen X-Files and Seinfeld so I've been showing her those). Then there's all these shows I want to rewatch too like Angel and Lost. So far Supernatural is okay. I keep hearing how good it is which is why I decided to give it a watch, but so far it's okay.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    There is Way Too Much Emphasis Part 2

    by Karuma 0-17 and 50 to dead. And it has always been a big mistake to just program for them, especially for advertisers, because those watchers DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY!! Besides, demographics are for those who don't know how to advertise to everyone. If a product is good, everyone buys it. If it is not, it goes by the wayside. What advertisers fail to realize is that older watchers will buy new stuff if it is better than the stuff they have been using. Why do you think there are so many older people on Facebook but never embraced My Space? Because it was a better idea, that's why. Same thing is true with other products and services.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Karuma you have no idea what you're talking about

    by Holodigm

    I won't delve into internet-tough-guy-mode and call you stupid, but the idea that the 18-49 demographic has no money is beyond absurd. Where do the 0-17 kids get their money? Not from the grandparents living from social security check to social security check, that's for damn sure. Marketing experts have it down to a science, and no offense but I would trust the advertising knowledge from the billion dollar corporations any day over someone posting here. Including myself.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    and 50 to dead.

    by Ryanbraun14

    i laughed a little when i read that

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    just read the rest of your post and i gotta ask: Do you realize that you proved the complete and total opposite of your intended argument?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    and that was funnier than the 50 to dead phrase

    by Ryanbraun14

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    Considering the CW physically doesn't have as many station outlets as the Big Three, SPN has always done really well. Nielsen ratings are SO outdated. With everybody having to go digital to watch TV now, shouldn't it be fairly easy to track who's actually watching what for real?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Also, karuma

    by Crow3711

    The point isn't how much tv they watch, its how much shit they buy. 0-17 years old have no money. 50-dead don't need anything because they are almost dead. They don't have kids anymore to buy shit for, theyre more settled with what they have, and frankly, don't give a fuck about your fancy pants marketing commercials. 18-49 matter because we buy things. That's all tv is. A way to sell things for us to buy. Read a fucking book.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Crow3711 - Supernatural and ratings

    by smackfu

    I'm not sure if you've noticed, but some of the best and most popular shows out there had low ratings on their initial run and many were even cancelled. Star Trek, Firefly, Twin Peaks, Family Guy, Futurama, Arrested Development, Deadwood, Pushing Daisies, Carnivale, and that's only what comes to mind. Ratings are not a reflection of a shows quality or popularity, like the music charts, they're merely a reflection of the tastes of the common mouth breather. Hey look, that new Madea movie was number 1 last week. I guess that must mean it's quality stuff right? I forget who originally said it, but the threat mankinds productivity is the fact that the lowest of the human stock multiplies in the greatest numbers. Ratings in any form are merely a reflection of this.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    Kripke's been sounding more open to season 6 with every interview lately, so I doubt the show will end on 5. Most recently he said this arc would end this season, either way, and they'd start on a new story arc with season 6. CW wants to keep it for at least one more. As for the DVDs: Unit sales and revenue were both way up for Supernatural : its fourth season DVD set sold 238,081 units and earned an estimated $8.7 million. Last year in its first week of release the season three DVD set sold 104,979 units with estimated revenue of $4.1 million.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    TV isn't simply a way to sell products

    by smackfu

    It's first and foremost an artistic medium that has to get in bed with the devil in order to pay it's bills. For all it's power, the money really has little influence on the content at all. Sure, it has the power to cancel shows, and force pilot tweaking, but the day to day content is delivered to us by the artists with little consideration for Tide or Nature Fresh Milk. If corporations are willing to waste billions of dollars funding this medium on the notion that commercials actually work on anyone other than children, let them.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    kimrae1977 said: "shouldn't it be fairly easy to track who's actually watching what for real?" <br><br>I wondered the same thing, so I looked into it and it is possible and not too difficult to implement, but from what I found, its a matter of privacy--similar to how everyone's internet browsing history can't be monitored. (legitimate monitoring, not sites that try to sneak into your computer and track your browsing.) I can't say I'm 100 percent sure this is how it works, but it what i understand. Someone could definately prove me wrong, and I'd actually appreciate it if someone does.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    kimrae1977 again

    by Ryanbraun14

    I gotta say, those were some damn fine posts. <br><br>First, EXCELLENT point about how CW just cannot compete with and get the ratings the major networks do. It just can't happen. So people who don't watch the show and see these ratings can't base a valid argument against the show on the ratings numbers. <br><br>Second, thanks for the info about a potential season 6 for supernatural. I love that they're going to finish the arc they're doing now because if they didn't and it got cancelled, all of us who LOVE the show will be left hanging and no doubt will be absolutely furious that the climax and conclusion that has been building masterfully over the seasons won't be shown...our best hope would probably be for a comic book (they've already done 2) The reason the show has been steadily building up and up so well is that they make you think you know what the season's story arc is, and as it gets to those last two episodes of a season, so many questions are answered and then BAM--those answers set up the next story arc. Its not unlike veronica mars, which i loved, in large part due to the fact that all questions were answered every season (made its cancellation easier to swallow), and supernatural basically does that, except there is a fluid transition from one arc to the next and by three seasons, you pretty much realize that EVERYTHING has been one single story arc the whole time. It proves to the viewer that showrunners have known exactly where its all been going the whole time, and the evidence is in the pacing. Battlestar Galactica will always be one of my most beloved shows forever, but it was clear they didn't know where they were going and the evidence again is in the pacing--BSG was terribly paced--lots of episodes that tell one small story (which was fine with me) that didn't contribute to the arc (which was fine with me) However, it wasn't the self contained episodes that were the problem at all--the problem was when it DID deal with the overall arc, the episodes were WAY too dense and bombarded us with answers all at once. I'd love to see what supernatural's showrunners can do with one new and final arc for one final season... i would expect it to be a very deep epilogue of sorts.<br><br>Third, those DVD sales numbers were really interesting to look at--because the huge jump in sales is black and white proof that the show has built itself up from being decent in season one, good in season two, great in season three and after that its just been EPIC and hasn't slowed down.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    small addition

    by Ryanbraun14

    I want to add to that last sentence: <br><br>supernatural was decent in season one, good in season two, great in season three, EPIC in season four, and BIBLICAL in season five.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Community was disappointing...

    by TheWaqman

    I was expecting something more funny. But all we got were crappy one-liners. The only scenes I liked were the ones with John Olliver and McHale. I hope this show drasticly improves.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Also I have to watch Fringe on fucking internet now!!

    by TheWaqman

    I have an extremely late English class on Thursdays. Fucking lame.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Nice to have Fringe back

    by BoE

    The new agent isn't really hot or cool enough to warrant the time. I'd like to see Dunham's skank sister go away now - she is like your girlfiend's (fat) best friend who always gets drunk and tries to tell you something really important but there isn't anything there so she just sobs and laughs and sobs and...please make it stop. Having Charlie be an evil shapeshifter was cheap (like the latin outburst - I mean, wtf? how lame? really lame.) but at least it means he will play a larger and more interesting role this season. I predict they will bring in the second (or third?) universe version to join the team at the end of the season. I'd like to see Torv remain in that hospital bed for the rest of the season (that whole "give me my gun" thing was painful to watch) but we can't have everything...

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    "Community is fantastic"? What?

    by BoE

    I really like Mchale and I really wanted this to be excellent, but it really isn't. Actually, everything about it awful. They are trying so hard to be a cross between a Bill Murray flick like Meatballs (right down to mentioning Bill Murray flicks) crossed with Van Wilder and it really isn't happening. The Elisabeth Shue lead is unfunny and looks like Lindsay Lohan's older sister, just out of rehab. They should suspend this show (along with P&R) and see if the writers can salvage something by mid-season. That won't happen, of course, so just kill the both now.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Go to the Rebelscum forums. You'll fit right in.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    kimrae1977 I think you might be right.....

    by SisterSpooky

    on Supernatural, if going by the DVD sales, merchandise sales, fan clubs, etc. Plus if it's a Hit Overseas I can Kripke carrying SN for one or two more seasons at least. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Torv, The Face Thinker

    by BoE

    From now on, I'm going to refer to Torv as The Face Thinker. It isn't just a nick name, it defines a whole school of acting. When Rupert Murdoch dies (I know, Murdoch will never die because he has an island of genetically engineered apes to provide him with fresh organs...maybe, but what you don't know is Murdoch is actually 3779 years old, so, joke is on you mutha-fuckas!) Torv will go as well - like Torie Spelling, her career will end, because even the corporate mob will not take care of your family when you die. Her true legacy, however, will live on - "face thinking...acting". The school of "face thinking...acting" will live forever.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Really enjoy Supernatural

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Would love for a season 6 but I wouldn't mind if season 5 was the last. Prefer them to end on a high note. Looking forward to seeing how the fight with Lucifer goes.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5/Supernatural analogy dead on

    by shutupfanboy

    I love B5 mainly for the story and characters, yet the money was not spent on getting good actors. Thankfully, the late Andres, Miri, Bruce, Peter and Doyle were able to keep the show together for those years. I actually don't mind Supernaturals' main two actors, but sometimes the supporting characters just suck. At least CW seems to behind the show. I mean Smallville is terrible. It gets roughly the same ratings and then show is on its nineth season. I expect that CW's limited options if Supernatural wanted a sixth season it would get it, but I did love B5's five year plan and if I were Supernatural I would stick with it.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Supernatural and acting

    by A for Aristocrat

    I dont think there is bad acting in Supernatural. Ackels and Beavers nail it every episode and though Castiel is a one note characterization Collins plays that note very well. I dont think Padalecki is that bad either though he just doesnt stand out like the others. BTW Jeffery Dean Morgan, and the actors that play chuck and the ghostfacers do a fantastic job as well.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Its always Sunny

    by A for Aristocrat

    The funniest show on television right now. This is my favorite time of the year, Supernatural leading right into Sunny.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Rebelscum forums

    by Ryanbraun14

    Its about star wars collecting... was saying that i'll fit right in there some kind of insult???

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    HERC you SUCK

    by Vitter

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    IIt's a forum filled wiht elitist snobs. You'll fit right in.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    What the fuck have i wrote that makes me elitist??? I've been damn civil here... i'm not an elitist snob, but you're clearly a judgemental douche.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by Ryanbraun14

    and saying i should go to rebelscum in the first place says far more about YOU than it does me. Who the fuck would even go to in the first place??? And who goes there and surfs around the site enough to even know that the forums are full of elitist snobs anyways??? That's an awful, awful insult... I've come across some idiots on these talkbacks, but as far as insults to other talkbackers goes, your attempt is without a doubt the most pathetic, lame, stupid, dumb and meaningless insult I've ever seen thrown at someone here... congrats for that. I mean, seriously, a site about star wars toys??? again--what kind of person knows that site exists at all, and what compells one to surf around it and furthermore, what possible reason would you have to explore the forums and read enough of it to know that its dominated by elitist snobs... and people who collect star wars toys aren't elitist snobs--they're losers who collect toys. you reference the site as if everyone knows about it and what its like over there... i would bet you're the only one who thinks that insult is funny... you're also probably the only one who thinks its a legitimate insult that means anything to anyone at all. go back to playing with your valuable star wars toys and researching how valuable they are.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Supernatural: Sammy's acting

    by jbs9200

    While I think Supernatural is the most exciting show on TV (Mad Man being "the best"), I agree that Sammy's acting is a problem. While he was great for Seasons 1-3, he can't pull off the weepy repentant role they have him doing. He always looks like he wants to break out into the comic effeminate-style he used back when we saw his character through Dean's eyes (1st Trickster episode). He just can't pull off the hang-dog sorry-boy role. He is much better when he has a shotgun and something to shoot.<p> I also like how the show started off (Season 1) having Sammy as the most important character and has arced across the seasons to having Dean being the most important character. The original season was a strong Luke/Han (Sammy/Dean) dynamic. That dynamic has gone. Sammy went Dark Side and repented. Dean is now more Snake Plissken.<p> Nice subtle tip-off in the last episode when The Knife killed the demons in the grocery store but no glow was generated. .<p> Also, Sunny in Philly excellent show. Funniest on TV right now. <p> I do find Sweet Dee's 0% body-fat all gym body a bit frightening though. I was very disappointed that Philly wasn't a double episode like the start of last season.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Acting on Supernatural

    by Spidermonkee

    Anyone who hasn't seen it, should definitely check out episode 4-20. Misha Collins gets to play Jimmy, the man Castiel has possessed, as well as Castiel. His performance is so distinctly different between the two roles(voice, posture, mannerisms, etc) that if you walked into the middle of that episode you might miss a beat before you even recognized him. It really shows Misha Collins' range as an actor and shows that his portrayal of Castiel as stoic and gravelly voiced and a bit flat is concious choice, and I think the right choice for that character. As for this season, I actually think it's starting out a little slow, but after last season's finish, we could use a moment to catch our breath. I'm sure the pace will pick up again once the ball really gets rolling. Or maybe it's just more fun to watch the build up to Armageddon than to watch Armageddon itself. I dunno. We'll find out, I guess.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Jacob and Esau BOTH on Supernatural

    by centilope

    How awesome is that? Also it seems they are going Preacher with this storyline. Castiel and the brothers Winchester trying to find God. I can't wait to see how they do it. Pellegrino as Lucifer is gonna knock it out of the park, I'm sure of it. Those rising DVD sales are great news, good to know the fanbase is growing, more and more people are giving this great show a chance. The Nielsen figures are meaningless because nobody watches the CW anyway. It's filled with crappy shows tailored for dumb teenage girls, so nobody expected such a gem to emerge out of the ocean of crap that is the CW. Supernatural is the only show with balls on that channel.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Supernatural - great show with limited audience

    by saint6

    Face it, folks, ratings don't always equate with quality. Everyone here ought to know that by now. Supernatural's problem is that a horror series, especially one this dark, isn't going to have that big a base to draw viewers from. My sister, who loves Buffy and Twilight and comicbooks stopped watching SN because it was too scary. It's a shame because it is a great show, but I'll also be glad when it ends as long as it ends at its own pace, not dragged out. Although I am concerned about the search for God this season--didn't make sense in the Preacher comic and doesn't make sense now. Should have made it a search for the top angel or something a little more "reasonable".

  • His line delivery of "No, He's not on any flatbread" cracked me up. The brief pause, then straightforward response, as if he'd seriously considered the idea, looked into it, and found it to be false.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by turketron_2

    Great show, limited audience. Loving the new season.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by maelstrom_ZERO

    <p>Thanks for giving Supernatural a chance, crow. . .at the very least, I appreciate it. Like many others, I once thought that Supernatural was just a show for teen and tween girls to drool over cute guys, and considered it trash. A friend of mine even got me to watch the first 4 episodes or so, but I was so bored that I quit watching.</p> <p>Once I heard people on the Talkbacks buzzing about the show (repeatedly and loudly), that I decided to give Supernatural a second chance. And holy crap. It was so good.</p> </p>My personal advice to you is that you should probably watch the first 4/5 of the season with low expectations. Most of S1 is quite terrible, excepting the first episode, and the last 2-3 episodes. After that, things shift into high gear and never really let up. Honestly, I can't really think of another show where, over the course of 4 or so seasons, things have started off halfway decent, and gotten progressively better to the point of near-perfection.</p>

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    The Progression of Supernatural

    by Spidermonkee

    It is kind of nice to have a show that started out as pretty cookie cutter anthology series and slowly grew the way SN did. It's why what they did with the 3rd and 4th seasons was so great. The looming apocalypse as a theme that is slowly revealed over the course of some 80odd episodes has so much more impact, as opposed to the apocalypse as the big bad that Buffy and Angel have to prevent in every other episode. Also, in SN, the protagonists have no super powers. Just their wits.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    what is this supernatural you speak of

    by Tregeek

    seriously, i allways saw myself as in the know in terms of whats cool on tv but at best i may have heard of supernatural in passing.with all the attention paid to discusion of it in this talk back there are people on here who would beat me about the head and shoulders for not even knowing of it. guess i better check it out..i think the biggest issue with Community is besides Abed i didnt find myself liking any of the carecters

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by MidnightMeatTrain

    As you may have read, S1 of SN can drag a bit, it's not until the Winchester Bros' dad(Jeffrey Dean Morgan) shows up that things take off and never let up. So don't give up midway through S1.<p> I'm pretty jealous you're going to get to experience this for the first time.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry, what was funny about Community?

    by BoE

    I'm a big fan of McHale and I was really looking forward to this, but wtf? It was awful. What exactly was funny about this? Give me a few lines.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Supernatural = Final season?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    If it is, I'll miss it. It's the best horror show we've seen in many, many years. Okay, the acting is variable, but the look and the writing is always top notch.

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by Kikstad

    Will FastForward also be on Thursday night? My TiVo isn't recording it because apparently I have too many other Season Passes set up for that night. Too bad. Will they show the FastForward episodes online?

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    NBC-Bad line-up on a bad network

    by spiceybiscuit

    all their shows suck; can't wait for the death of that stupid Jay Leno show...whoever thought the thursday night schedule load up was a good idea should be fired. Seriously, why have every single show on Thursday night and nothing but shit on for the rest of the week? Fringe is going to get killed when CSI is back; Good job Fox you fucking dolt. Take a great show and shit on it

  • Sept. 21, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Survivor is just barely surviving

    by Messyjoe

    I was a fan from the beginning. Go figure! But the producers mucking around has been more and more apparent of late. I really hate all these puzzles and mazes they keep constructing. Apparently they have to keep a 100 people employed for that. Why? Why some honest to God surviving has not been tried I don't know. It could be entertaining! But when they actually go out and seek people for 'roles', like villain, dummy, wise old man, etc. which I firmly believe they do, it is far too manipulative and orchestrated for me. So put me down as one who will pass up Survivor from now on.