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‘You Tell Them!! I Ain’t Waitin’ Around Forever!!’ Hercules Has Seen Thursday’s J.J. Abrams-Scripted Episode Of FRINGE!!
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Some notes on tonight's second-season premiere of “Fringe,” titled “A New Day in the Old Town”:
* J.J. Abrams and Akiva Goldsman script.
* 2.1 is Nimoy-free.
* 2.1 begins with vehicular mayhem, in Manhattan (where 1.20 ended, sort of).
* The first time we see the Bishops, they are shopping for Peter’s birthday. We are meant to wonder where Walter was when this Peter was born.
* There’s a new hot FBI girl on the show, Agent Amy Jessup, played by actress/model Meghan Markle, who used to open case 24 on “Deal of No Deal.”
* The teaser ends with more, and more interesting, vehicular mayhem.
* Act one begins with Broyles not bringing Jessup up to speed on what just happened in the teaser. “Sign the report, agent,” Broyles tells her. “That’s an order.”
* Astrid will babysit a doped-up Walter.
* Broyles will go to Washington, where he has a scene that reminded me of both “24” and “Iron Man 2.”
* We will learn that Broyles has a title that has nothing to do with the FBI.
* Blind Faith’s “Can’t Find My Way Home” will play as Peter enjoys a cocktail.
* Jessup will see a photo of the old-man baby from episode two.
* Peter will learn something important from Olivia’s sister.
* Ancient Greek will be spoken, as if this were an episode of “Caprica” or something.
* Walter is not part of this conversation: “There’s something I have to do and I think our lives may depend on it.” “Whose lives?” “Everyone’s.”
* Expect soon a memorable scene to generate a new “Fringe”-related entry on the Wikipedia page for the IBM Selectric typewriter.
* Josh Jackson nails the line “Oh yeah” when he’s asked about his dad’s mental health.
* We learn people from Earth II can do a LOT of stuff we can’t.
* Before episode’s end, cyborg Nina Sharp will kiss somebody.
* More dialogue to look forward to:
“Ah. You’re one of them.”
“You know, it’s been six years. I just kinda figured …”
“You tell them, I ain’t waitin’ around forever.”
“My mother used to say that to me every night before I went to bed.”
* This is a strong episode, but I suspect some fans will be disappointed in it for these reasons:
1) 2.1 is not remotely as good as 1.1.
2) At the end of season one, it looked like William Bell was about to give the audience a boatload of answers. 2.1 comes and goes and that boatload never docks. The episode will make many feel like we’ve gone back two spaces.
* Writers for the next eight episodes:
2.1 JJ Abrams & Akiva Goldsman
2.2 Jeff Pinker & J.H. Wyman
2.3 David Wilcox
2.4 Ashley Miller & Zack Stenz
2.5 Josh Singer
2.6 J.H. Wyman & Jeff Vlaming
2.7 Glen Whitman & Robert Chiappetta
2.8 J.H. Wyman & Jeff Pinkner
* Not episode titles:
Kingdom Against Kingdom
Tests
A Door Stands Open
Eat the Flesh
The Beast
9 p.m. Thursday. Fox.
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FRINGE only managed to get consistently better throughout its first season. Looking forward to seeing its evolution this year.
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I'm waiting for Broyles versus evil-Broyles! And Olivia versus fat Olivia. And Walter versus Walter with a goatee. Oh, and: will Astrid have anything at all to do this season?
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You can't drink just six.
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FOURTH BIZZNCHS!
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and I love this show and rewatching the episodes has been a pleasure and i'm shutting this computer down and going to sleep because I have a study-breakfast tomorrow. See you all on the Fringe! *MOVES PAST STATIC FLOATING LETTERS* =P
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Ok, I realize who created this show, so, are these supposed to be clues for the upcoming season, or just random weird stuff. If we're playing the Fringe poster home game, I've got Face in the cloud, playing card, bunny in the bushes, watching guy behind Charlie, Queen of Hearts, Butterfly, handprint and daisy. Anything I miss?
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This guy carries this freaking show. He is so damn awesome as Walter Bishop, full of nuance, I can't believe he's not in more stuff.
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Hmm, sounds like they creators want to take a step back after revealing so much at the end of season 1. No Earth II to begin with? No Nimoy? I want see tall Astrid II ordering fat Olivia II to bring her coffee and milk Gene.
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Surely you jest.
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Walter with a damned slurpie at a crime scene, hilarious!
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PS Nice "hole" photoshop boys. Or should I say "MS Paint boys? ZING!
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Referencing "24" and IRON MAN 2 is excessive.
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...will resemble a piece of wood as much this year. The acting is by far the weakest link on this show, with Joshua Jackson and Torv being front and center. I couldn't care less what happens to either of their characters (whacky Denethor is great, though)
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I dig the show's vibe, but the storytelling feels too artificial at times. It feels like it's trying to be cool, which is very uncool, ya dig?
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PHILIP BROYLES walks into BISHOP's lab. The team is staring at BROYLES.
BROYLES: We just got word from the Coast Guard, an event has taken place. We need you to check it out.
DR. BISHOP: Are ve going to zee Boardvalk? Oh Gut! Ve vill see Spongebob dere!
AGENT DUNHAM (to BROYLES): What do you mean "an event?"
BROYLES: If I spoke to you straight, like normal professionals do in the real world, this show would be fifteen minutes long, Agent Dunham. Just trust me, there's some... thing there that requires your attention.
PETER BISHOP: I can hotwire a car and give you all a chemistry lesson, is that cool?
BROYLES (to DUNHAM): This is the sexual tension they've written for you two?
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there's a seahorse zipper pull on olivia's jacket..... and is that an upside down brown shoe in the tree on the left??? ....... also can you direct me to the face in the cloud? i'm not seeing it
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AGENT DUNHAM (to BROYLES): What do you mean "an event?"
BROYLES: If I described it to you, fags like YackBacker would complain in an internet forum that there is too much exposition on the show...
AGENT DUNHAM: I see...
BROYLES: Why this person claims to not like the show yet seems passionate enough to visit forums relating to it, let alone bother with posting in a mock script format, is another mystery...
AGENT DUNHAM STARES OFF TO THE LEFT WITH A LOOK OF CONCERN AND WORRY WHILE THE CAMERA SLOWLY PANS IN FOR A CLOSEUP -
didn't know this started tonight! awesome.
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Even though it's pretty lame to hear William Bell isn't in this episode. How do you end with a huge cliffhanger like that and then not even have the man in the premiere to followup? Sounds like a mistake. Anyway, finally some good television returns tonight besides Mad Men. Hope its as fun as last season.
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I can satirize and enjoy something at the same time. I said I dig it, just that the writing is silly. Good luck defending FRINGE's honor, a completely excessive task you've undertaken.
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Because I can't tell. She's always wearing big black coats and the angles are never flattering for her, and you never see her legs. I really want to see what her legs look like. Even the poster above, which is probably the most revealing shot of her body we've ever had, doesn't give you much. I'm leaning towards her really not being that hot in real life, but I'm not one hundred percent. Any one else have an opinion?
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I'd do her.
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But I do see a creepy bunny, a playig card (A Queen of Hears I think?) and The Butterfly and a handprint, along with the cloud face and seahorse pendant. Love this stuff.
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At what point did I, or have I ever, written anything positive about Fringe? I'm pretty sure 'becoming almost watchable' is just about the biggest endorsement I've ever given the show...
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'the biggest endorsement I've ever given skein'. Sorry Variety, just a minor mental lapse.
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come on, dude, we've been TBing for fucking YEARS! Just have fun, that's all I was doing.
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If Olivia comes back from Earth-2 with no conscious memory of meeting Nimoy, but can retrieve specific memories by taking more dunks in Walter's sensory deprivation tank, then I am done with this fucking show.
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due to head cold.
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You kick that cold's ass, you hear me?! Well... now what the fuck do we talk about? You watch BURN NOTICE? I like that show.
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In the poster, the one leaf at her left leg looks like there's a triangle shape on it.
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I really like how the show is unfolding. Blair Brown is even more interesting for her obvious evasive nature. I just bought the season 1 set and going back and watching last year makes see how much I've missed this show during the summer. And yes I have to admit I watch carefully for John Nobel to see what antics he's up to or what he'll say. On another website I saw a still ( presumably of tonight's episode ) where Walter, Jean, and Astrid are wearing party hats and holding a birthday cake! Priceless! Can't wait for tonight. This show has a little of everything. Science Fiction, action, comedy, even I suspect romance. Not too many shows out there that can match it. Even when an episode hits a low point it's still better than most of what else is out there.
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...Anna Torv kissing that other chick when she was really that serial killer gave me insta-boner.
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There's been plenty of talk from the writers that there's one or two moments of "X-Files" homage/reference in this season premiere. What is it/are they?
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...oh yeah.
Of course, I have to see U2 tonight but I have the PVR running so it's all good.
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Definitely hot. Check out the latest EW (even the Wifey said, "She looks really hot in those photos...").
Followed by "Yes, I'll have a three-way if you can work it out".
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...Bush was never elected and the tech boom of the late 90's just kept on going, hence the advancements on Earth 2 and all they stuff they can do that we can't. Makes me wonder though, is The Observer from Earth 2, or another Earth entirely? (Just throwing shit out there to consider.)
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About time one of you geeks noticed the obvious. Also, Jasika Nicole is the cutest little lesbian since Ellen Page, so there's another plus right there for this show.
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Great show, awful lead. I said it last season and I'll say it again - Torv is an baaaad actress and the only reason she got the role was because Rupert Murdoch is her uncle. She is one of those actors who squints with her mouth open to indicate that she is thinking. And as far as hot goes, I'll see at least 5 women who are hotter than she is on the subway home tonight. She better than average looking, and that is it. I'd like to see Dunham meet with an accident in that moronic isolation tank. Then they could focus on Noble, Jackson, Nicole and the rest. The guy who plays Charlie is also great.
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Theres going to be a flashback in the 3rd episode of what went down while Olivia was in the Alternate reality
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Yes, she is hot. But she pales in comparison to the other blonde Aussie girl playing an American special agent: Yvonne Strahovski as Sarah Walker on 'Chuck.'
Second. I am shocked, SHOCKED to hear that an Akiva Goldsman script fails to live up to expectations.
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...but I still enjoy it. So what did other Walter do when Walter kidnapped other Peter? That's what I want to know. I hope they really go with the Multiple Earths and don't just focus on two. The crazier the better.
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Sep 17, 2009 10:44:49 AM CDT
So, does this Jessup chick give Broyles hell for being a douche?
by royston lodge
The only thing that pissed me off endlessly about the first season was how EVERY SINGLE EPISODE featured the following exchange:
Olivia: [Mentions bizarre new evidence]
Broyles: "I'm afraid I haven't told you everything we know about this incident. You see... [provides explanatory information that would have been REALLY useful during the first half of the episode, usually the location of a similar incident.].
Olivia: "Well, I guess I'd better go to [location of similar incident] and check it out." [No reaction whatsoever to the shitty shitty shitty stunt that Broyle just pulled on her for the umpteenth time.]
Dear Special Agent Olivia Dunham,
You're a freakin' moron. You're obviously a pawn and yet you don't seem to care, or even notice.
Maybe you like the big fancy office where you work, and you don't want to be exiled to the basement? If that's the case, you're even more of an idiot than I thought.
Get your head out of your ass and start fighting back against your superiors when they fuck around with you.
Sincerely,
Special Agent Fox Mulder -
Farewell Fringe.
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The people that brought us Lost.. are busy with Lost season 6 you morons.
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No mention of Dunham in the spoilers, and there's a new agent running around. Perhaps she's not back from Nimoyworld yet? And that's why there's no carryover or resolution at all from the season ender?
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Year now and only Torv gets down to the undies. Astrid better break that shit out soon.
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Torv stripped down to panties and bra at least twice now.
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Can't wait!
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That's an amusement park I'd gladly visit. I can picture it now- Fried "Vulcan Ears" stands, ride the fat lady merry-go-round and to finish it all off, sign the "I am not Spock" wall of fame. Nimoyworld- where capped teeth and 100X eyeglasses reign supreme!
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I'm not sure but i do believe that was a shot! kudos!
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But there are no fringe benefits mentioned in FRINGE... which is terribly confusing.
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Typical carnie bait and switch; we'll have to wait a long god damn time to get some real Earth2 answers. But this show has been routinely satisfying, so I'll keep watching. I think the critics of Torv are a little harsh. And no, I'm not that impressed with her beauty either. ;-P
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Record Fringe _and_ Supernatty and watch The Office on second a TV :D
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She appears out of no where from Earth 2 and the Nemoy stuff doesn't flashback until episode 3.
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Otherwise, this show is actually pretty awesome.
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What if they're Earth 1 and we're Earth 2?
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...the pilot, then, well, that blew. I like the show, but the first half of season 1 was a mess. I hope this isn't somehow not as good as the pilot.
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Oprah's minge that is.
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...seems like an obvious nod to Alice in the Wunderlands, in reference to the question of the "Abramesque" clues deposited on and within the ugly 21 century photoshop eye-offender of a poster. General down-the-hole tom paranormal foolery, or something more specific to the show, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't watched it.
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HOT. I mean smoking hot. Photoshopped of course, but looking damn sexy. Can't wait for this.
I get two of my favorite shows premiering tonight with this and Always Sunny right after. I may also have to check out Community. I generally hate sitcoms with a passion but this one has Mad Men hottie Alison Brie in it. Count me in. -
I'm interested, but don't feel like catching up at this point.
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in that poster? A sno cone? A ball of raw meat? What? BTW John Noble makes for a nasty Russian mobster in Running Scared. Caught that recently and said, Hey! Thats Walter!
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Definately has a Veronica Lake look about her. I'm sure thats what they were aiming for.
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humbug.Seriously; probably.
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... near the end of the season finale. Now he's only on Mad Men, boo hoo hoo. I do like Fringe because the subject matter is fun, but I can't really say I like much else about it. For a show that emulates X-Files, you'd think they might have gotten actors with some chemistry. Duchovny and Anderson (sp? and sp?) are far from great actors but they worked well together. I know in TV it takes some time but I can't see anyone developing any chemistry with Anna Torv, she is just too ... well, let me say "understated". Okay, she's boring as fuck. Couldabeen Skywalker is so-so, and John Noble somewhat annoying when the character gets too shticky. It's a problem, and I wonder how and if it will be solved. I suspect this show will not last more than one or two more seasons. Actually if it gets to one beyond this one that might mean it's actually come to life a little.
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I think he is drinking an Icee.
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"...Walter laces his Slusho ice drink with LSD and recalls one of his past experiments involving a sensory deprivation tank filled with beer. Oh, and Peter says something snarky in response while Olivia stares in silence for about a minute without blinking."
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NO FREAKING LEONARD NIMOY! The season 1 finale ends with Dunham meeting Nimoy's character and it doesn't pick up where it left. I waited all freaking summer for what exactly?! Does no one else think this is total bullshit. Almost as bad as South Park's April Fool's Day Terrence and Phillip's episode, except it's not April 1st. this better be one serious kickass episode or I'm out!
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I wish he wasn't coming back at all. He was fucking terrible i nthe finale. He had only had 1 or 2 lines of dialogue and he completely phoned them in. And he gave what I think was supposed to be a creepy smile but only looked like my sad old uncle getting a cheap feel from my sister's leg.
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Hahaha!
"Nothing beats the hobo life, stabbin' folks with my hobo knife!"
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I thought my scene was better. Mostly because my mommy helped me write it... like yours helps you with scripts!
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This, Bones, and Mentalist has some of the most annoying characters on TV. Shit, I can't even get through an hour.
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other than Lost.
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"an excellent, startling season premiere...to track down a killer whose methods will send a chill down your spine and a jolt through the show." And USA Today is always right...right? Hello?
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of Newspapers.
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Most of the glyphs from last season are in the poster:
- The Apple
- The Seahorse
- The Screaming Smoke
- The Leaf
- The 6-Fingered Hand
- The Butterfly
- The Daisy
Unless somebody else sees it and I'm just stupid, one glyph is conspicuously absent:
- The Frog
Unless these did show up last season and I just didn't notice, two glyphs appear to be brand new (clues about new season?):
- The Rabbit
- The Queen of Hearts
Most, if not all, of the glyphs from last season could be connected to the Golden Ratio, Fibonacci Numbers, and/or principles of Quantum Physics.
Does this hold true for the new glyphs?
- The breeding patterns of rabbits are used as an example of Fibonacci Numbers in nature. http://tinyurl.com/knmq5f
- I can't find any reference online connecting fibonacci and the Queen of Hearts.
Of course, another explanation for the new appearance of the rabbit and the Queen of Hearts is that it's a reference to Alice in Wonderland, not Fibonacci.
Finally, last season each glyph represented a letter of the alphabet, with the orientation of the glyph and the yellow dots making a difference. The glyphs over the course of the season spelled out a word. The code is explained here: http://tinyurl.com/dftpym
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For all the clue-hunters out there? I especially would like to take a closer look at what The Observer is doing in the background.
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bells not behind the pattern-- the evil alternate universe walter (or the Walternate, as I call him) has been behind it all... our walter created and opened the inter-dimensional gate to kidnap peter, and due to the loss of his son, the walternate essentially became evil, and it has driven his evil, amoral experiments, and fueled his ideas for inter-dimensional warfare and terrorism.
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like a ninja
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when you say they killed the best actor, i assume you mean jones? I have a strong feeling he'll be back eventually, in the form of his alternate universe version (afterall, the title of the finale was "there are two of everything"), and perhaps the alternate jones never left bell's side, or better, and in accordance with my theory, joined up with the walternate to make more formidable foes....
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Congress: "Your agency seems to be wasting your budget on wild goose-"
Broyles: "LIAR!"
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forgot to mention what an excellent job he's doing there. And every once and a while I can see his father's eyes in him, and it is a bit creepy.
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is one of those shape-shifters, and turns into agent "Freckle Boobies" Jessup, I will hurl big chunks at my TV screen!
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It's been a long ass summer ,waiting for this gem of a show to come back.
Everybody watch it tonight and send it straight to the top of the tv charts.
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for the Fall TV preview really focuses on Fringe, and it says in the season premiere, Olivia for some reason has little to no memory of her crossover into "Earth 2" or whatever. Not until episode 4 will all of that be addressed.
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Her face has no blemishes. Her hair is perfectly golden with no loose strands. And like others, I can't figure out if she's hot or not.
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Really? Are you serious? Is that a joke? :-(
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I'll miss that
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I forgot all about Fringe
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More Broyles, hot new FBI chick, Evil Charlie, damn. Just a great fucking episode, I even understand why they didn't explain the finale cause its basically gonna be the main plot of the season.
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it's not
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Good to see the geek community has not shifted either way on this thing. That means status quo, and in television nothing spells happy advertisers like predictable television. Congrats, JJ!
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Sep 17, 2009 9:22:03 PM CDT
That Add image makes me wish they would do "Mel's Hole"
by the green gargantua
from that old Art Bell show. Fuck that would own.
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The big Charlie reveal there at the end would have been more surprising if J.J. hadn't already pulled that years ago with Sydney's friend Francie on ALIAS. Everything old really IS new again, I reckon.
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The bald dude who was killed first was watching X-Files, and at the senate hearing they mention the Fringe team works on files that used to be designated 'X'.
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this show really stepped up its game. Once they started moving the meta plot along and getting rid of the one-off episodes, it really got good. Hope they continue the trend this season.
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I mean, seriously, guys, have you ever SEEN a J.J. Abrams show before? Answers come in small doses, and always bring more questions. It makes a show like this infinitely more fun than the tired predictability of shows like CSI and Law & Order (and their clone/spinoffs) where each week the case is wrapped in a nice neat little package and every character goes home all comfy and snug in their beds. Just look at Lost, in where it has taken nearly five full seasons before we really started getting concrete answers. Fringe will take awhile to resolve where it left off at the end of season 1. If you expected anything more than this, you are watching entirely the wrong show, my friends.
And whoever said that the William Bell revelations will be one of the through-threads of season 2 is probably right on the money. And I seriously doubt they set up David Robert Jones just to kill him off after a few episodes. His alternate is still out there. Loved the evil-Charlie cliffhanger, although I figured that happened as soon as he "shot" the shapeshifter. It's no secret that Kirk Acevedo was told his stint on the series would be done soon (don't know what happened, but didn't he tweet (damn I hate that word) something about being fired? In any case, Acevedo is only set for I think 4 eps. this season before he's gone. I DO wonder if the whole Liv's sister thing is going to go anywhere this season - so far she's a frumpy background character that doesn't add much. But I don't think they would bring her on without a reason. -
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anyone catch the Observor in tonight's episode?...I didn't see him but I wasn't watching that closely...he has been in every episode so he has to be there somewhere
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Liked the X-Files shout-out, though. They NEED to get David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson to do a guest spot one day. Not as Mulder & Scully (although how AWESOME would that be?), but just as a tip of the hat (kinda like all of the previous Superman actors appearing in Smallville).
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By the halfway point of season one, it was really, really good. Like season 3 of The X-Files good.
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Sheesh.
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Sep 17, 2009 10:39:40 PM CDT
NIMOY!....Why you green blooded half-breed hobgoblin...
by doctor_leonard_mccoy
I've been waiting all this time and no Nimoy? What happens? Does Kanye West push him out of the frame and shout "Avery Brooks did it better!"?
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I get that this is prime-time sci-fi, but the plot holes big enough to drive half a truck through are killing me. We first see the shapeshifter in action breaking his own face, then over 30-40 seconds getting the new face. Yet when Charlie encounters the nurse, he fires his gun, Peter hears the firing, runs down the hall, and the shapeshifter (now in the form of Charlie) is leaning over the nurse. This means that in the 10 seconds it took Peter to run down the hell, the shapeshifter (1) somehow killed Charlie, (2) plugged the shifting device into Charlie's mouth, (3) shifted into Charlie, (4) changed out of his clothes, (5) stripped Charlie, (6), put on Charlie's clothes, (7) hid Charlie's body, and (8) went and got the nurse's real body and brought it into the boiler room, and (9) silently fired bullet holes into the body. What. The. Eff. I can suspend belief, but that's seriously going too far.
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See topic.
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Come on, FBI? Aliens? Top-Secret viruses? Mutants? Seriously, in order to pave their own path it's crucial they strike their own vibe. My suggestion? More Nimoy, more inter-dimensional shit and you have your own mojo working.
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Not amazing but good. Some very nice stunt work in this ep with the crash and the jump-downs.
But Charlie ? sad. Charlie was a good character. Still, you can't say they didn't deliver a big character change with that one.
Looks like we're going to get some Biblical happenings this season. "waiting all my life" new FBI girl is clearly up to her neck in this somehow.
Amusing to see the whining obsessives are still here.
Why not fuck off if you don't like the show ? You know, like a sane person would ? You could then watch CSI or Heroes (lol) or even Transformers 2.
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The super soldier may be able to take over not just the physical appearance but the memories of the subject if fake Charlie is going to pass himself of as real Charlie for any length of time ot Olivia. The nurse also looked like she had all her nursing memories intact.
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Ehhhh iffy for all the reasons Herc stated and more. Of all the season premieres of ALIAS, LOST, and now FRINGE, the setup this episode provided leaves me with an uneasy feeling about the show's direction. Still, for the grandeur of STAR TREK alone, I will temper my reservations, and have faith that all will be right again in the FRINGEverse.
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In case it wasn't already obvious enough.
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I loved how they didn't jump to showing the Bell stuff right away. My guess though is if theres another version of all of the characters theres got to be another Charlie. It will be interesting to see what they do with that. Also what they do when Alt Walter tries to get his son back.
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In Lost's season 2 opener we found out what's in the hatch, with the Orientation in ep 3. Here we didn't even get a look into the "hatch", which we MIGHT get in ep 3. Couple that with the lazy amnesia plot device, bad acting from Torv, and it seems like all the good writers and crew are still busy working on Lost. Only Giacchino, Noble, Reddick, and Pacey keep this show going.
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Sep 18, 2009 4:29:03 AM CDT
* Ancient Greek will be spoken, as if this were an episode of “C
by greekguy
it ain't ancient Greek. Its just what we speak today although with a very bad accent.
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Best moment: Astrid staring at the new agent in the lab whilst stirring custard. Conveyed all the hatred the actress must be feeling towards the writers. Next week Atrid will have to bring her coffee and park her car.
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Can you imagine if after the Season 1 finale of Lost the season 2 premiere did not feature the Hatch?
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Also, the whole face adjusting thing seemed to be purely for creepiness value alone.
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Didn't see your post which expressed my same gripe.
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better than Torv. And not just because she's cuter. But, I suspect mole-ishness a la 24.
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Seriously, is JJ going to start biting plotlines from Alias now??
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during the shapeshifter escape for the car accident scene.
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When Olivia burst through the window shield of the SUV, I started cackling like a deranged little bitch. JJ is making some of the best sci-fi in TV history right now.
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Sep 18, 2009 9:12:39 AM CDT
All this time to develop Astrid and she's STILL fetching coffee?
by spyguy
Or is a new hairstyle considered "character development" these days?
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First off, Olivia's "Go get that bitch!" was so forced and out of character it was cringe inducing. And the new FBI agent with her bad acting, fake tits, and manly jaw was distracting and unbelievable. She was a suitcase model on Deal or No Deal for fuck's sake. Who's cock did she suck to get this gig? Plus they killed off the second best character on the show in Charlie, and it was predictable to boot. Stop killing Charlies, Abrams! And don't even get me started on the laughable reveal that Broyles and Sharp are romantically involved. Please.
It wasn't all bad. The soldier dude was awesome with his jumping around and shit. And Walter was top notch. I cracked up when he deflated when Peter said to stay out of the drugs in the back of the ambulance. LOL.
I don't mean to go off so hard on the show. I still love it, but I was more annoyed than anything last night.
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"dude we hardly knew u how long before olivia finds out that shapeshifter killed charlie and took his body"
Unless he becomes sympathetic to the Earth 1 people.... -
But, maybe alternate universe Charlie can come back for all you Charlie fans.
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After watching Warehouse 13 all summer and returning to Fringe last night I suddenly realized how ridiculous the shit that happens in Fringe is. The shapeshifting device totally reminded me of a Warehouse artifact in its silliness. The only thing that separates Fringe from Warehouse 13 is higher production values. And Torv is as poor an actor as anyone on Warehouse.
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(1) X=Files was on the TV in the apartment guy's apartment.
(2) The senator said something like "First the X division and now your division". Don't remember exact wording -
the observer walks across the street at the bottom of the screen in the beggining of the episode after the car "crash".
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Then I got bored, changed channels and watched The Office instead.
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that I really don't give a shit about Pam and Jim's wedding and how Michael Scott is going to fuk it up.
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character that quickly this season. Well, not MAIN character, but a regular character that I'd grown to appreciate.
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1) The scene from "Dreamland" on the TV, which is the episode where Mulder and Morris switch bodies. 2) The guy conducting Broyles' interrogation is Ken Camroux, who was a recurring actor on X-Files. 3) A mention of Fringe Division's predecessor "X", 4) Tegan Moss (who I'm not sure who she played in the episode) was Scully's sister in X-Files.
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Sorry, Tegan Moss played young Dana Scully, not her sister.
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A well constructed plot? The episode had its moments but was very disappointing on the whole. When they got to the shootout at the finale and Charlie approached the nurse/soldier's body then immediately cut-away, I yelled, "No! Don't fucking pull a switcheroo!" If you didn't see that "twist" coming a mile away, well, I guess it's nice being 8 years old. I was actually pissed when they revealed the "shock" ending that Charlie was dead; what a joke! Such a cliche...
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Shucks, this sounds nifty, I'll just tag along and risk getting canned. She's pretty cute though. Don't know how HoboCode thinks her tits are fake. Wouldn't they actually be BIG if they were fake? I recognized her from a Tostito's commercial. Didn't think they'd reveal Charlie's demise & duplication in the end. I called it, but assumed they'd save the reveal for later. And how hard would it to have been to make it look like Broyles was really in D.C.?
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and what was the "revelation" stuff she was putting into her computer from the bible...? And yeah, Anna bursting through the winshield of the car at the beginning was very cool. (But now how that happened is spoiled, thank you Fox trailer department: she falls through the window of the alternate-World Trade center, and her momentum/impact carries her back into our reality...?)
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well, not the actor ones, but I had to rewind (thank gods for DVR!) to make sure that the senator said what I thought he said - the former 'X-designation.' Holy crap, how amazing would it be if there was an X-Files/Fringe crossover! JJ, talk to Chris Carter. Not like he's busy right now. Or there will ever be another X-Files movie. Make it happen!
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He was fiddling around with the knobs and shit in the car.
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Knowing Walter, there's probably a specific frequency that weakens the dimensional walls separating Earths 1 and 2. Fortunately for him, Olivia came through instead of some alternate Earth Cybermen or what have you.
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I keep getting the feeling theres such a much better show inside this mediocre one that I'm watching. Ditched it halfway through season 1 but the finale lured me back in..then this episode just feels like more of same..bleh
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That's exactly how I felt about it. The first few episodes of the first season were really good, but then it got tedious as every episode was virtually identical, the characters never developed, and nobody ever stopped to think, "you know, maybe we should investigate Broyles, Massic Dynamic, Nina Sharpe, etc!"
No, instead they just mindlessly follow the breadcrumbs that Broyles & Sharpe lay in front of them. For two physics geniuses and a trained FBI investigator, they don't seem to possess any level of skepticism about their situation.
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Why was there a third body in the first place? I thought the device just did a body switch. Am I wrong?
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It's either Goldsman's bad writing or this Olivia is the other dimension version. Maybe the one we know (but not really love) is
still there having tea parties with Bell. After he inevitably gets killed off or disappears for a very long time, she'll decide to go back. Nah, its probably just bad writing. -
...Yeah, it's a good thing a squid didn't fly through that SUV's windshield!
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meant to hit tab, but hit enter and submitted the title ... wanted to say he's right in that the body was already stashed there, making the shape shifter's quick transformation more understandable... but moreso, there is a temporal shift-- even if only slightly and for a few seconds, upon hearing the shots, peter turns to run down a long hall and then they cut to him rounding a corner and running into the new fbi chick (who seriously reminds me of stacy dash)... obviously its a bit of a cheat, but its not that bad at all.... I think if anything, the editing in the the first scene is to blame, the first tranformation could have been tighter and quicker, and made the end seem less like a cheat.
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...has speed settings? Slow and Agonizing (requires that supersoldier first breaks face), Medium, and Instantaneous (perfect for pulling "The Old Switcheroo).
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the process changes the super soldiers face, leaving the body of the deceased behind ... thus the bodies they found during the investigation ... So he killed the nurse, made himself look like her, then hid her body in the cellar... then after being caught, running back into the cellar and killing charlie, he changes into him, hides his body, and then drags her body out ... Also, there were multiple shots, and unless you saw multiple bulletholes in francis, then the shape shifter could have easily turned the gun back on charlie by the time a second round was fired ... he was literally two feet away.
The only plot hole of francis death in my mind is changing clothes ... if were gonna get real serious, the biggest plot hole is that by changing his face, somehow the supersoldier also grew tits and a female frame.
And centilope -- that occured early on to me too, but is probably not the alternate olivia, as theres no alternate peter, and she wouldnt have known him or asked for him. -
Nice to see JJ can pay homage/rip off the Outer Limits as well. See the shapeshifter assasin in the OL classic, "The Hundred Days of the Dragon"
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they are still one body short. They knew the shapeshifer was killing the originals. Knowing that he had shifted to a nurse means they should be aware there is a dead nurse nearby. If New Charlie pretends the body of the nurse he just shot is the shapeshifter, shouldn't everyone still expect to find that shape's original body? When only one nurse body shows up, shouldn't that have made them suspicious? Everyone seemed to forget a dead shape-shifter = 2 identical corpses. To me, that's the biggest plot hole.
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and i'm a big fan...is how much access The Bishops have to crime scenes! Walter & Peter just waltz into ANY crime scene and start futzing around without anyone so much as giving them a sideways glance?
And Peter pushing around an FBI agent in the lobby of a Federal Building? He would have been in his face and handcuffed in a NY second. The lady just shredded yer FBI credentials there, Billy Bad Ass!
Not a big deal...but it seems to happen in EVERY episode which takes away from the believability even more each time.
NOBODY is watching the crashed car that Walter breaks into...sits inside and...and tampers with? C'mon...a field agent would have been throwing him in the back of a squad car before he ever ripped the windshield wiper blade off the car!
Had a problem with that aspect of the show since Day 1....but otherwise...a great show. -
Early season 2 of lost, was it the premiere? I think it might have been, when they kept back tracking and reaching the same moment in the hatch from multiple perspectives and all you wanted was to see what happened AFTER that moment with jack and desmond? I vaguely remember that. I vaguely remember that deflating the throbbing erection I had achieved during the title sequence. The season 2 premiere of fringe didn't make me feel quite like that, but a little. Granted, I was only semi hard to begin with.
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about his status on Fringe?
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Ever grow beyond acting as the foil for walter's laboratory antics? I just feel bad for her as a person...which may mean that the writing has been a success at least at making me perceive her as an actual person so I could feel bad for her, but shes in the FBI and she spends her time stirring custard batter? Maybe a creature or parallel dimensional soldier could break in and brutalize her, lend some gravitas to her characters situation. Just a random thought.
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if the nurse's body was already in the room, it adds up. but thats the least of it's problems.. anyway:
starting with the 'bald guy soldier'. (real body in morgue.) then transfers to 'nurse soldier' (real nurse murdered, body placed by furnace.) 'nurse solder' gets shot by charlie who happens to be in the same room as 'nurse body', but it doesnt kill him. 'nurse soldier' (apparently with lightning speed..) kills charlie, takes his face/body, puts on his clothes, dumps his body in the waste bin, pulls out the body of the already dead nurse, and stands above her looking like a hero. then apparently the FBI doesnt treat it like a crime scene where an innocent nurse was shot by an fbi agent.. (You know, the whole shape-shifting, dimension-hopping soldier excuse.. so 'charlie soldier' is able to take his time in the furnace room and dispose of 'real charlie's body. sound about right? -
If memory serves, that was the episode where Red Chinese agents were impersonating VIPs (or maybe it was politicians). They get the bad guy, inject the phlebotinum into him, and then crush his face. Wowzer episode. Thanks for the reminder.
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I agree there were major problems with the mechanics of the switch (to Charlie's person). Usually these realizations come after viewing, but this just stuck out like a sore thumb.
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...but I cringed when Olivia says in 1 scene that she can't load her gun with bullets and then, not 2 scenes later, they SHOW her not being able to load the bullets. I dunno - it just felt unnecessary and slightly stupid.
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It was ep 2 titled Adrift, one of the worst eps of Lost ever made. I still consider it better than this Fringe episode. It was a rehash, but did give us a few little interesting new bits. Fringe writers just decided to skip discussing the elephant in the room entirely by erasing Olivia's memory. She just pops up, and basically that's it.
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I still think we are one body too many and I still think the device does a total body switch.
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I loved the Torv through the windshield moment! Hell, I thought they were going for the Dunham Duplicate Kill off there somehow, and I was bracing myself for the eventual return of Torv1 and the oh, we got "our" Olivia back, screw that dead chick sigh of relief. ;-)
The Charlie switcharoo was entirely disappointing in it's clumsiness. And frankly, the end speech with Peter offering up the broken tech(my, my Earth2 radio shack shit is delicate!) as somehow "proof" enough was Batman (60's TV show) ridiculously bad! -
But for the Charlie Francie... eh, Francis switharoo that was kind of, well, a recuring plot device to spy on Sydney, ehh... Olivia. Maybe there's something new in store from J.J. who almost never dissapoints. Charlie was a good partner and feel sorry for his death
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Did I miss something? You know, with this MirrorUniverse(?) thing... we have yet to know much about them. I seem to recall Mirror Charlie had a bunch of scars? ?
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After he drags out the nurses body, he would have had to re-dress her in the clothes he took from her when he took her shape.
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If not a reset they were certainly walking backwards. They jumped the shark because as usual Abrams shows us that he hasn't got a fucking clue whats going on - we didn't get a revelation because he has no idea what is going on either.
Of course as history has shown, there are a enough clueless teenagers who are going to hang on for this to be a profitable venture - so expect 7 seasons of running around in circles and getting nowhere. -
from last season. Is he back this year at all? Anyone know?
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I hate this parallel universe thingy.
At the end of the first season I thought to myself: Great, so whenever somebody dies or is seriously injured, you never know if it's the one you're really rooting for (you know, the one from our universe) or if it's somebody from the other side (and who is to say how many Peters or Olivias are out there?). It's the classic and easy way for the writers to write themselves out of corners. Unfortunately that means that I will never be as emotionally invested in the characters as I was before.
It´s really paralleling Alias here. IMO, the introduction of the Double-Device was the nail in the coffin for that show. I loved it, but from that Francie-Moment forward, I wasn´t really caring for the well-being of any of the characters any more. And look what device they introduced in this episode! -
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