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J.J. And Boborci Talk About The Next TREK Movie!!
Merrick here...
The Los Angeles Times has a piece with J.J. Abramas and Boborci about the development of the next STAR TREK movie.
Abrams says:
"...The first movie was so concerned with just setting up the characters -- their meeting each and galvanizing that family -- that in many ways a sequel will have a very different mission. it needs to do what [the late 'Trek' creator Gene] Roddenberry did so well, which is allegory. It needs to tell a story that has connection to what is familiar and what is relevant. It also needs to tell it in a spectacular way that hides the machinery and in a primarily entertaining and hopefully moving story. There needs to be relevance, yes, and that doesn't mean it should be pretentious. If there are simple truths -- truths connected to what we live -- that elevates any story -- that's true with any story."
And here's what Boborci had to say:
"We’ve literally had two meetings now. We haven’t decided anything but we’re starting to circle around some ideas. We got a lot of fan response from the first one and a considerable amount of critical response and one of the things we heard was, ‘Make sure the next one deals with modern-day issues.’ We’re trying to keep it as up-to-date and as reflective of what’s going on today as possible. So that’s one thing, to make it reflect the things that we are all dealing with today.
I asked Orci somewhat flippantly if that meant we might see Starfleet grappling with the ethics of torture or dealing with a rising terrorist threat or perhaps a painful, politicized war with the Klingons.
"Well yeah, those are the kind of issues we're talking about. Wow, you're good! But seriously that's the way we're thinking, that's an approach. So if you have any ideas ... "
All per THIS Los Angeles Times piece.
Wondering if this conceit will extend beyond the treatment of prisoners? I.e. will the Federation enter into a conflict that ends up being messy and ill advised? Not hinting that I know anything specific here...just thinking out loud.
"We’ve literally had two meetings now. We haven’t decided anything but we’re starting to circle around some ideas. We got a lot of fan response from the first one and a considerable amount of critical response and one of the things we heard was, ‘Make sure the next one deals with modern-day issues.’ We’re trying to keep it as up-to-date and as reflective of what’s going on today as possible. So that’s one thing, to make it reflect the things that we are all dealing with today.
I asked Orci somewhat flippantly if that meant we might see Starfleet grappling with the ethics of torture or dealing with a rising terrorist threat or perhaps a painful, politicized war with the Klingons.
"Well yeah, those are the kind of issues we're talking about. Wow, you're good! But seriously that's the way we're thinking, that's an approach. So if you have any ideas ... "
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Modern day issues???? Who the fuck wants that??? I want SPACE and ALIENS and futuristic explosions!!! NOT political allegory and social pandering
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bangs some alien ladies I'm in. Tortured klingons would kind of bring down my buzz...
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I really missed any sort of allegory or comment, or point, really from the first movie. And I'm glad to see that Abrams agrees and wants something. However, if he's looking to make any sort or Iraq war allegory, I would urge him to pick up seasons 1-3 of Battlestar Galactica and see that it's already been done, and probably better than he's going to do it.
Why not try and take on something that touches on the current economic, resource and environmental crises and how it's likely to cause political strife and suffering? Much more topical, and hasn't been done well before. Star Trek:Insurrection made a stab at something like that, but that movie sucked donkey cock, so I'd like to see a movie produced by the sane that takes on similar issues. -
Just doing my civic duty.
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I want that adaption dammit!
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What a pair of fuckwits!
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...I just want it to be as exciting as the last one with as much embedded humor as the last one as well... It moved at a pretty good pace and provided laughs as part of the story rather than being forced funny moments. It got a little slow when Spock prime entered the picture, then it picked up again. Bring it soon!!
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Sep 16, 2009 10:56:23 AM CDT
Wow, a SciFi movie about modern day torture and terrorism.
by derlanghaarige
That was already ridiculous when the BSG remake did nothing else.
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This movie, it will be sucking these.
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Wow, that's actually a fantastic idea.
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And Jesus.
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And you have to respect the guy for listening to fan criticism DESPITE the movie having been hugely successful. I mean, I think we can all agree that Star Trek had what was probably THE worst script of any blockbuster this summer. Hold your breath, apologists: I'm not saying it wasn't entertaining, but the script was godawful and had nothing whatsoever to do with what Star Trek is all about. Sounds like JJ agrees. Let's hope for a far better sequel - one that will actually be rewatchable 10 years from now when all this Teenage Drama Hype finally wears down.
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Sep 16, 2009 11:09:10 AM CDT
"a conflict that ends up being messier and more ill advised than
by 3 bag enema
First appeared ill-advised to everyone except war mongers and morons, I assume you meant.
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That shouldn't mean current events. Just inescapable elements of the human condition. Secondly, who the hell is asking for this and in numbers great enough to make it their top priority?
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Sep 16, 2009 11:11:16 AM CDT
Uhura will be raped by 3 Klingons and Spock will seek revenge in
by gorgomel
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space and politics = boring. plus they sort of did that angle in trek 6. However, placing the Klingons in the next one would be cool, remember how much Kirk hates their asses. Now lets see how all that hate originated. that would be cool, that and some hot Carol Marcus story happening. Since her, the Klingons and Kirks son are all connected. Love to see the doomsday story thrown in there too.
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Star Trek sequel? ahahaha,ok mr JJ and Boborci,u r going to need it.
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No Klingons, Romulans and no Kahn.
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This summer's Star Trek was fun, escapist, popcorn and nifty. If they try and get all heavy handed, they can expect the stunning box office returns of 'Rendition' and 'Elah'.
Agendas are never entertaining. Every time I see an agenda, I remember how much I hate meetings. Movies are not supposed to be meetings. Has anything good ever come from propaganda films throughout history? I can't think of anything.
So stick with pure entertainment, Abrams. You hit 'Star Trek' outta da ballpark this year. Don't change what works.
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add: good luck after Boborci.
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...has a good pitch for the next ST flick.
I didn't just hear a story about it, I literally heard him breaking it down.
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security system,Obama is trying to establish? or the worldwide economical crisis? or about global warming? scrap the last one,they already did something similar in st4
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imagine the allegory of that
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he is coming
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I've been into Trek since it first aired, though Next Gen was decent, and every other show -- including DS9 -- was ass-suckery. If JJ does Khan, show us the Eugenics War in the prologue, Khan's escape, and then become a combo of "Space Seed" and "Wrath of Khan". Just mayhem, fighting, space battles, Spock NEARLY dying to save his crew and friends, and Kirk/Khan having the face-to-face showdown that fans craved for in "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan".
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He states it in that first paragraph. His movie was really, ultimately, about nothing. It was about setup, but there was nothing in it that spoke to the greater human condition, nothing in it that made you "think" for a moment about what was happening and how it relates to your life. All the other Trek movies did that. Abrams' did not.
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We need RELEVANT issues. ANY issue that speaks to the human condition. It doesn't need to be so on the nose and about torture, etc. But conflicting worldviews? That's universal.
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Get the ship "out there... thattaway!" pronto! How about a real adventure into the unknown? No more Romulans, Klingons, etc. Sure, you have some story themes from the first movie you'll want to keep an eye on (Vulcan refugees, etc.) but what Gene Roddenberry did best was open our minds up to new possibilities. He certainly had morality plays and social commentary mixed in, but he (and his writers) went beyond the obvious allegory tricks. With hundreds of hours devoted to the same "territory" of TREK, please do something fresh. No Khan, no Mudd... the STAR WARS prequels sucked in part because they were so insular and made too many self-references. Be bold. Go boldly! Make it so!
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All impulse power has been diverted to shields.
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We need some Away Team Action in the next movie. We also need more Scotty, since you can never have enough Simon Pegg.
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We already know AssholeLives will hate it whatever it is...
...unpretentious just means he'll hate it even more. WankVonTrier is more his speed
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also, try not to bring any suckage to it.
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Do it.
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to bring to the fans new,fresh,ideas,and not to recycle the same characters and stories.so they say the creators.........
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...We're thinking of having a guy who makes spectacular, but pretty mindless holodeck programs and like, in one of the programs there's like giant robots and this really hot chick. Then like, the really hot chick disses the holodeck program guy in public who like, made her career, even though his holodeck programs are really exciting but kind of lame. Then, everyone gets attacked by either Klingons, Tholians or talking piles of steaming rocks, we haven't decided yet, exactly.
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The guy could take Patrick Swayze's death and somehow link it to Jar Jar Abrams. I love ya, Asi, you know that... but wow, you're persistent.
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Fuck that topical crap. That kind of shit ruined The Dark Knight in my opinion (allegories to the Bush administration, war on terror, etc.). It should just be a fun escapist story minus all of the political crap.
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nuff said
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With Vulcan destroyed, maybe they can touch on the current topic of illegal immigrations. You know, have millions of Vulcans pouring into Earth abusing the system. And then have a bunch of idiots sticking up for them because they mow lawns. It would give new meaning to the phrase Illegal Aliens lol.
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Take a cue from YackBacker. The man knows what he's talking about.Engage.
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JJ's Star Trekwars was about nothing.
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"What does God need with a starship?"
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I don't think Abrams and co. are aware that science fiction stories are defined by larger ideas concerning humanity's relationship to the world as we know or can imagine it. Star Trek, at its best, had themes to explore that reached beyond plot designed to get characters to kill each other. What this year's Star Trek has, what Abrams and co. are talking about now, is standard action plotting with spaceships. They beg comparison to Star Wars, from which they liberally lifted ideas, but they lack the skill or craft to equal the original trilogy of those films and settle on competing with the nonsensical prequels. What now? Klingons as Al Qaeda? Jack Bauer in space? Go look at what Stallone's doing with The Expendables if you want to see someone talking about US foreign policy without hiding behind a bunch of chickenshit proxies.
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If JJ and Boborci could come up with anything original they wouldn't be working on remakes of 60s TV shows and kids toys.
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why not? good excuse for a lot more of space action
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Yes it is flawed in execution but at least it has IDEAS at the heart of its story. That plus an awesome Goldsmith score and the great scene where Sybok forces Spock and McCoy to face their fears and Kirk refuses.
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That's relevant considering what's going on in several parts of the world now.
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The problem with many "modern issues" is too much controversy. If you deal with a lot of certain "modern issues" then you'll divide your audience. It's OK to deal with certain human condition issues, but dealing with certain "modern issues" leads to division, unless you can show both sides of it in an equal way and not take one side or the other. Even then, you're going to alienate a lot of the audience who just wants to see a fun Star Trek film. I'm all about bringing up certain human condition issues in any film, as long as it's handled well, and in some cases not overbearing. With something like Star Trek, it needs to be somewhat subtle and not preachy. Having a film be preachy isn't a bad thing, if that's what the movie's intent is, but Star Trek is not that.
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Roddenberry didn't preach down your throat. he first came up with a good entertaining idea, and then found a way to weave something current into it.
He didn't work in partisan opinions and he didn't make in-your-face screenplays. He took established universal truths, and used them to make you think about current events.
He didn't use Trek as a soapbox. He was clever and subtle. a 'controversial war' with the Klingons dealing with torture and imprisonment et. al. would NOT be something Roddenberry would do. He'd actually be CLEVER. Sounds like these two guys are going to forego the clever part and just preach at the audience. oh well, at least the 1st movie was good. -
No more Trek please. We get it, you "brought it back" and made it young and hip. Trek is a serial, an ongoing story. I can't take any more major plot holes and convenient devices.
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It just wasn't Star Trek.
They should drop the pretense. Re-label their projects honestly as "Space Trek" and they can avoid a lot of criticism. -
Sep 16, 2009 11:41:35 AM CDT
FEDERATION PRESIDENT: "WE WILL SEEK OUT NEW LIFEFORMS ..."
by bringingsexyback
"... and new civilizations, and boldly go ..."
Klingon Ambassador: " You LIE!!!!!!"
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Sep 16, 2009 11:43:30 AM CDT
I WANT SPACE BATTLES, TONS OF SHIPS AND PHASER FIRE
by bringingsexyback
Try building a story around THAT.
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Sep 16, 2009 11:44:12 AM CDT
Asi spontaneously combusted before he reached the Talkback
by savagedave
Its the only thing that can explain his absence.
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Nuff said.
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Ehren Kruger fucking blows.
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Sep 16, 2009 11:51:03 AM CDT
w/ mother voice "Tee minus 30 seconds til Asimov rant"
by theycallmemrtibbs
And counting
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Sep 16, 2009 11:51:03 AM CDT
w/ mother voice "Tee minus 30 seconds til Asimov rant"
by theycallmemrtibbs
And counting
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Sep 16, 2009 11:51:31 AM CDT
Oh no! Relevant political allegory? Just tell a good story!!!
by odysseus
Do we really want more preachy Trek? That's the most annoying part of the Trek universe! The torture issue? Really? Like we need to see more of Hollywood's take on that....
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I, for one, would like to be able to enjoy a movie 5 years from now... and yes to more exploration and Ship Fu.
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they can have 2 parallel franchises,since there is a large fanbase for both star trek eras.
Personally i would love to see a young Picard,who at the start of his career is a lot more rebellious,but as the franchise progresses he turns into the diplomat we all know.
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Make Trek as action packed as Joe. That movie fucking ruled!
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Sep 16, 2009 11:54:41 AM CDT
Thinly veiled anti-republican anti-US military flick? No thanks
by raskolnikov_was_framed
c'mon ripped from the headlines plots are played out and stupid...if they wanna do the torture thing they better not use talking points from today's politicians...disguise it well and it could work...but if I hear the line "Star Fleet does not torture!" I'll be pissed off
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Easy one for you, they come across a planet where the native life-forms are robots, something quite big.
Now Bob, the catch is they can change, they can transform.
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We need more Bob bashing.Keep up the fight!
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of all the hair he pulled out.
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I think it is a MUCH better idea to do a wink-wink nod to these characters that we hear about them in the background, but don't really redo these characters in the new movies. Please tell new stories. Do you really want to be compared to Wrath of Khan? Nemesis redid Wrath of Khan, and most people absolutely hated it. I think Nemesis isn't terrible, but the Wrath of Khan comparisons really sank the film.
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I agree! winks and nods but new fresh characters...this is a new universe, take advantage of it
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Star Trek did great in a Summer where its competition was X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Angels and Demons, Terminator: Salvation.
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Can't get enough of them anamolies!!!!
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To keep the villain relevant, all they need to do is cast Obama as a future version of himself. Boom - best villain since Kahn. And we know he's a good actor to boot!
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If Jar Jar Abrams direct and at the helm. Making Trek topical nothing original. I guess Jar Jar is going deal with health care debate. Sylar Spock will get alien disease and Federation health plan won't cover.
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..Kurtzman lack any orginal concept or idea on their own.Eagle eye is a rip off of Rear window and Enemy of the State and I won't get statred on the oh so familiar franchise that includes "Robots in disguise". Anyone who belives that Fringe is original, obviously never heard of X-Files.Eff 'em!
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In looking back at the better Trek movies and episodes, how did the allegory make them better? I mean City on the Edge of Forever was awesome, but political? Allegory? How about Amok Time? Or Devil in the Dark? These were amazing morality plays with discussions on the human condition and ethics, but I do not think there was any allegory.
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I'm glad to here writers speak of relevant themes and messages in these films. District 9 worked because of it's strong take on apartheid without beating you over the head with it. Good job JJ and I look forward to more sexy alien chicks. Death to Xenophobes!
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ST4 didnt have a villain.It had a threat,but it wasnt even villainous.
In fact nobody was killed in that movie,and it turned out the most fun and successful movie of the original franchise.
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One of the wonderful things about Trek and the Federation was that it was always a somewhat idealized version of society - what the UN should have become, yet ambiguous about what sort of government it actually had. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't without flaws, but it's heart was always in the right place. I hate the way modern scifi seems to be it a race to the gutter - striving to be dark, gritty, morally gray and hopeless. What we seem to be losing, what I remember so clearly from the best of Trek, was that whatever their faults, there was an idea that things will get better, that the things we fret about will be solved, the things that divide us will one day be shrugged at.
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Logic dictating their need to survive- at any means necessary.
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1. how does a modern relatively progressive society, live in peace in harmony with a society that doesn't share the same ideals, views of equality etc and in many ways resembles how the modern society was 700 years ago but with similiar levels of technology and weapons.
How willing is that modern society to go to war or push the other society to change when they see practices committed that are no longer accepeted and are in fact outlawed in their own society.
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"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."
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Rodenbery about humankind and its future.THATS what star trek is about.
I hope JJ will bring this vision back,and not just make the next summers TF2... -
Trek did not have the worst script of any summer blockbuster. Worse scripts included:Transformers 2, Terminator: Salvation, GI Joe, Monsters vs Aliens, Wolverine, G-Force, Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Then you've got Hannah Montana the Movie, Madea Goes to Jail, Hotel for Dogs, Race to Witch Mountain, Friday the 13th, 17 Again, Bruno, Bride Wars, My Bloody Valentine, Land of the Lost, Underworld: Rise of the Lycans, Confessions of a Shopaholic, Year One, etc.Given how many truly crap scripts were produced this year, in comparison the Star Trek script is pretty good. It isn't Shawshank Redemption, but it isn't the worst script of the summer either.
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BUT FIRST CONTACT WAS THE BEST STAR TREK MOVIE OF ALL TIME
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Eagle Eye was not a ripoff of Rear Window, Disturbia was.
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Listen...All you Star Trek purists can suck it...I trust Bob Orci's judgement...Fuck the guy writes for one of the best shows on t.v.(FRINGE)...Sir I will watch anything you put your name on...The new Trek was the shit...I'm sorry that some of the douches on here want you to make a boring ass movie like the last several were and as always with fanboys they can't get there mind past the favorite Trek of the bunch KAHN...You will have my 10.00 bucks...bring on the new adventures...God Speed..Bob Orci..
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Watching TOS season 2 in bluray last night really has me hoping we see the kingons return as villians, something was lost when TNG made them allies
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I thought the concept of the Maquis was brilliant, and never fully realized in the Trek verse. Have a group that is being victimized, but the Federation doesn't feel comfortable going to war over it. The Enterprise does the right thing morally, but bucks the Federation in doing so, and risks creating a larger war. I think it would be politically relevant without being preachy. It doesn't have to be Bajorans/Cardasians this time around. It could center around Vulcan refugees and Romulans, though there may be some hesitant to have Romulan villians two movies in a row. But it would be a logical follow-up to the events in the first film. It also really fits in with Kirk's personality to buck authority and rush in like a wild cowboy.
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Sep 16, 2009 12:23:39 PM CDT
F R U smoking Confessions of a Shopaholic OWNED
by disney_retcond_my_std
It was a chick flick that hit every Robert McKee beat you could think of. Argue the acting but from Act 1 to Act 3 that script was solid.
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If its not broken,dont fix it.
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I'd be shocked if they didn't play a large part. But the most important thing is having a good concept, and executing it, rather than providing fan service.
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Star Trek for adults, but think the studio would prefer another Trek for 12 year olds.
Am not saying I didn't enjoy JJ's Trek, but clearly they are very different movies.
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Of course you're not hinting at anything specific. You're Merrick. Who would send a scoop in to you (about the next Trek, no less)?
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Sep 16, 2009 12:27:44 PM CDT
fuck you - ‘Make sure it deals with modern-day issues.’
by professor_monster
No one said that. You (Orci, Kurtzman, Abrams) remind me of frat boy dipshits having a discussion on what you think is deep all while waiting for mom and dad to send your new atm card. What you would call important, I'm sure will differ from what people who live 150 miles outside the LA basin are concerned with. A person who is losing his house or can't afford Health care for his family is not going to be in any rush to see Abrams sneak in his New Vulcan Homeworld/ Isreal / Iran message -
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They could use it as a basis for the allegory in the sequel.The Maqui idea,that enerandrew spoke of,could work with it very well.
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Since he's probably going to pour more money and lives into Afghanistan.
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Sep 16, 2009 12:31:05 PM CDT
Just so long as the next one isn't the steaming bowl...
by hawaiian organ donor
...of ass that the first movie was, I could care less what direction they go in.
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Landers That is! Mark whalberg would make a fine Vulcan
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get 1990's tribal tats, and steal some more cinematography and characterization from Firefly/Serenity.
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Global warming,Healthcare, calling people racist,Gay marriges, animal rights,911 truth type stories, or bad capitolism stories.
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the Federation is very idealistic for their own citizens, and its very easy to be idealistic when you aren't affected, could see Kirk and the gang rebelling against the Prime Directive when they see injustice and discrimination first hand.
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goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie goddie!!!!!!!!
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1. Global warming stuff
2. Economic stuff
3. Waterboarding stuff
4. Treatment of Prisoners stuff
5. Anti death penalty stuff
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Sep 16, 2009 12:39:33 PM CDT
So, this is going to turn into Battlestartrek Galactica?
by browncoat_skyfan
BSG recently explored many contemporary themes under the guise of a long-past conflict, so will the Trek team plumb those same depths?
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Sep 16, 2009 12:43:10 PM CDT
So Q tells the Federation President to go to war with the Klingo
by nasty_nick
I dunno, just seems that today's current events were already covered by BSG and to a far lesser extent Enterprise Season 3. How about something else?
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The movie has bnot been massively sucessful. in fact, even Paramount admits it performed below expectations, specially in the foreing market. Jar Jar Abrams and Bob The Orci better really lern their lesson if they want to make a really big business movie, instead of "let's lie about this movie's non-sucess so the lemmings can buy all our bullshit" strategy, which only fooled the fools.
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Paramount could sell more toys to the kids that way.why the hell not?
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Oh boy. Yeah. I really hope they make the next Trek film more like the original show: I truly can't wait for the away team to deal with a planet whose population is that of Ancient Troy. Or maybe '30's gangsters. Because that's social relevance, there, that is. Or a planet ruled by a grown up Leprechaun, or whatever the hell that craptacular episode was about...
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There's your allegorical plot-line!
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Or the economy!
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Is living and fighting for the ideals of your own society too liberal for you?
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Yep - the more I think about it - the whole "New Vulcan home world" was for sure the ky on the tip of Jewish propaganda cock that will be rammed up your ass in the second film.
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Sep 16, 2009 12:47:27 PM CDT
It's fun to see that Jar Jar Abrams admits, by so many words...
by asimovlives
... that his Emo Trek bullshit movie is pretty dumb and about nothing.What will be hillarious is to see what will pass for serious and politically relevant for this immature clowns Jar Jar Abrams and Bob The Orci. The sequel will be a comedy!
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then they will be discovering a planet, where the people are immortal, and sparkle in the sunshine
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I hope they maintain STAR TREK's passionate, humane liberalism. It presents the future that the best of us are striving for. They'd better stay true to it. I'm hopeful.
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Uneduicated hicks like yourself shouldn't even coment about what is smart, intelligent and pretentious.In fact, you are a typical, classic case of reverse pretentiousness. Which is far fucking worst. Anybody who thinks that intelligence is bad in a movie, any movie, are just stupid. Thats it.
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And people say there's no fun in Star Trek V!
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I would never want the new film to be too obvious or ham-handed. No waterboarding stories, etc. But I would like to see them write about the madness of Fundamentalist Religion.
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If anything, Jar Jar Abrams's Emo Trek is a very republican movie. It's as if it was writen and directed by the GOP chickenhawks.
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Kirk is going to turn us all into Klingons!! Stand up for traditional Starfleet values!! Starfleeeeeet, FUCK YEAH!!!!
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I enjoyed the first film, but it is obvious the writers don't really 'get' TOS. First off, TOS was not successful because Roddenberry kept it topical. It was successful because there were good stories and characters. The Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic worked well. And the stories were often allegories because that is what SF writers commonly do, and the writers and editors of TOS did just that. Roddenberry was more concerned with the overall 'utopian' idea of future humanity, and keeping the skirts short to the point of silliness. It was people like Fontana, Gerrold, and Coon who brought in the allegorical stuff, which WAS some of TOS's best material.
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I expected something....more
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May i have your permission to engage? I already set my phasers for FUCKING FUN!
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i only aims to pleeze, but sometimes can't pleez everyone.
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Sep 16, 2009 12:57:30 PM CDT
I return to fertile ground after a stop in the Indy 5 TB..
by conspiracy
Hmmm...I wonder what stories Orci and JJ can provide for my amusement.
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but that doesn't cut it when you're bullshitting and fucking around on every Star Trek talkback. Abrams said no such thing about his movie being "dumb" and "emo". He said it was about setting up the characters, and in that regard I think it was a huge success.
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"... could see Kirk and the gang rebelling against the Prime Directive when they see injustice and discrimination first hand"So, you want a remake of Star Trek: Insurrection? Fascinating.
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to ON. Seriously, nothing personal, but...typographical errors are commonly made by everyone, but your posts would be closer to comprehensible if every other word wasn't misspelled.You do realize that web browsers have a spellchecker feature?
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only half baked emo BS served up with a side of Pacey.
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Should i feel honoured that somebody would go to the trouble to be my impostor? Should i feel sorry for this little fuck with too much time on his hands?
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Voyager Alias.
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I'm portuguese, what's your excuse?
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Make it so.
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Make it so.
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Should i feel honoured that somebody would go to the trouble to be my impostor? Should i feel sorry for this little fuck with too much time on his hands?
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Its like that time Kirk tried to escape from the Klingon prison camp!
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I'll be there. I hope TP has a much bigger role in the sequel, he can be like that guy in the Mash show.
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that's why Trek has lasted so long and the original series, despite the camp (and sometimes b/c of it!), is so beloved.
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Oops, wrongs scifi show.
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Of course he said it. It's right there. He didn't said it openly, but it's pretty obvious to read inbetween the lines. The man admited his last movie is about nothing. no ideas. The next movie, they will have ideas. This time. Fuck hell if that is not an admission. With fucks like Jar Jar Abrams and Bob The Orci, everything is between the lines. This fucks are too cowards to admit to anything openly. god knows i fucking hate Michael Bay, but at least that guy is pretty open about the shit he does.
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Just to get under the naysayers' skin? I do hope!
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Is going to be about water boarding?
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Only way to be sure...
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Space points to you my friend.
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Only way to be sure.
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Doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Fuck, the impostor is so clumbsy, he just copy and pasted one of my posts without even making corrections for confusion. Lame.
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Well, thing is, the bombing from orbit DIDN'T SOLVED the whole problem, did it?
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porque eu uso um programa de correção ortográfica.
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It will be very fucking fascinating!
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ITS A GOOD PLAN
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But, it was a little uneven. My favorite part was the opening scene with the Kelvin. Military protocol, commander offering himself as a prisoner, sudden and brutal death, subordinate taking up the post and serving with honor... Most of all, there was a real sense of facing the unknown and the terrible danger that comes with that. I was riveted to my seat for the rest of the film, even though everything having to do with Scotty just about made me want to throw popcorn at the screen. Seriously, was Scotty, as played by Simon Pegg really the guy who ends up third in command, serving with both distinction and ass kickery?
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Cylon AsimovLives unite!
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Sep 16, 2009 1:13:01 PM CDT
Where is Bob? Unlike him not to be here once his name is mention
by conspiracy
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was lens flares. Nice tuch Jar Jar. Even i msut admit.
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No no no no, that wa snot good. It's obvious you used a online translator. You should had said:"Eu não preciso de um tradutor, porque eu uso um programa de correcção ortografica". Hell, you didn't even got the correct portuguese, you used brazilian portuguese. I'm from Portugal, not Brazil, thank you very much. Fail, dude. But nice try. I apreciate the effort.
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So sayeth Lord Pope Jar Jar Abrams, who talks directly to God.
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Wrong about everything else however sory dude
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You're like the guy who can't stop talking about how much he "hates" his ex girlfriend.
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We've had them for the last eight years and they haven't resonated for shit. Maybe a galactic health care allegory. Or Starfleet planning to build a fence to keep out illegal parallel world immigrants. But no 'divisive war.' Thank you.
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That means, a complete total restart, then. Because in Emo Trek, nothing fucking worked. Exception: the cast. Nice cast, terribly misused.
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Sep 16, 2009 1:17:43 PM CDT
Eu não preciso de um tradutor, porque eu uso um programa
by asimov_lives
de correcção ortografica. See i am the real Asimov. i know portugese.
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whats next? return of their empire?
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ZOMBIES. AND SPELLING
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Wrong analogy.
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Let's do a "Cash for Clunkers" starship trade in program. Or maybe Kanye West could cameo and but into somebody's viewscreen message- "Hey, Hey, Captain Kirk, I'ma let you finish..."
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Kirk joins up with Captain Linkhogtrob and Dr. Julius Strangepork to battle the threat of an alien epidemic. Pigs in Space!!
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I'd love to see zombies in a Jar Jar Abrams' Emo Trek movie. Iy t would be oodles of fun to see the zombies kill and eat the guts and brains from those emo versions of the classic characters. And then the zombies would rebel and they would attakc and ate Bob The Orci and Jar Jar Abrams. Though it could cause the poor zombies food poisoning.
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Anyways who would go as far as to impersonate a fellow Tber's SN....Oh wait. (DICKBLO0D)
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Credit crash. It wouldbe fitting, sinc ein Jar Jar Abrams's Emo Trekverse, there is still commerce and capitalism going on, as demonstrated with the product placements of Budweisser and Nokia.
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Giant Space Pussy Monster
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Is there a reason to do him again? I wish the brief rumor of Jack Black playing Harry Mudd was true though.
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like Nascar racecar.
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should play Khan. Or maybe Ken Watanabe. Jeffery Dean Morgan would make a good Klingon General.
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But I'm still not sure why you keep going on about a movie you hate. I hated Terminator Salvation... in fact it was an insult to me as a Terminator fan... but I don't wanna keep talking about it. I understand some people liked it (though not nearly as many as liked Star Trek), and that's cool for them. I wish I had, but I don't, and it's time to move on.
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Sep 16, 2009 1:26:44 PM CDT
Spock, now living on the moon colony for refugee vulcans
by one_guy_from_andromeda_
contracts the deadly necrolysis pinnae disease, which will lead to his death unless Kirk can harvest a minimum of 200 litres of klingon cum, the only known antidote. Cue hilarious scenes of kirk sneaking into klingon toilets, offering handjobs and hiding in intergalactic bordelloes.
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I'm from Brazil.
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...NOT "Kahn". "Khan" is a genetically-engineered superman who was dictator of a large section of the Earth during the Eugenics Wars and who escaped with a host of his compatriots after the wars on a sleeper ship and was revived centuries later to bedevil Captain, then Admiral Kirk at the crews of the Enterprise. "Kahn" is a dentist in Queens and a familiar face at Temple Beth Israel every Sabbath.
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It has been done. TOS "Doomsday Machine" is a kind of giant scifi vagina dentata.
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becomes Federation President, and civil war ensues?
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AsimovLives Insulting Bobdorci
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Ah yes, Doomsday Machine. One of the more watchable episodes of TOS.
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Jesus Christ. The real Asimov would've KNOWN that.
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Except, like, this time, they're Space Emos!
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Aye, you fucking retards.
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Sep 16, 2009 1:35:54 PM CDT
They need a reference to the TNG-timeline still being there
by tall_boy66
Just to shut the complainers up who keep insisting that "Oh noes, Nero didn't create an alternate timeline, he wiped out the prime timeline! Star Trek is gone!"
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...by answering this:
1) Gwen Stefani 2) Christina Aquilera 3) Selma Hayek 4) Nelly Furtado 5) Pink 6) Jennifer Lopez 7) Penelope Cruz 8) Soledad O'Brien Which one is of Portuguese descent? (No fair Googling or IMDBing!) -
a fully-realized three dimensional villain like they had in the last movie. It will be an Abrams flick and therefore 1) the first third will be hella-awesome; 2) The second act will meander and lose it's way; 3) the third act will rapidly resolve everything in a less-than satisfying, but visually appealing manner. And in the end, everybody says, "There were some things I loved about it, but it wasn't quite awesome."
But if you want the political, it is pretty clear the Vulcans are now Jews in Space, and after the near extinction of their race, the new colony planet will be Israel, surrounded on all sides by their enemies/cousins, the Ara... I mean Romulans. -
... say "Star Trek" five times and there he is! Love the way you're writing the next Trek off before pen is even put to paper, Assy. Speaks volumes about how much of an open mind you had going into the first movie.
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in which someone remprograms an earier, classic holodeck program in order to make lots of money. The crew is divided by those still faithful to the spirit of the old program and others who think clever and flashy but shallow holodeck programs are the way to go. Yes, this sounds like good allegory.
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with the noted exception of Dude-looks-like-a-Lady Pink.
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In City on the Edge of Forever, the timeline was changed by McCoy and the Federation disappeared. Kirk and Spock had to go back and fix the timeline back to the way it was. The "Mirrorverse" is just that, a distorted duplicate of the Trekverse, not an alternate universe or timeline. JJ Trek is in a new version of the Trek universe/timeline, the old universe/timeline has been forever altered/eliminated! (Unless someone goes forward in time and whacks Nero and his ship before they warp back to the original Trek era.... damn I hate time travel!)
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Sep 16, 2009 1:43:35 PM CDT
If JJ Abrams was a writer, he'd be Isaac Asimov!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Me? Trying to piss someone off?<p?You must be mistaken, sir!
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went to an already inhabited planet,established their state in a foreign ground and started expanding it by eliminating their native neighbors.OFC they have the support and help from the federation,since their relatives there can influence its policy.
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Suck my portuguese pickle, you ignorent gringo!
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Sep 16, 2009 1:45:04 PM CDT
Wait! He IS a writer! His work is up there with I,Robot!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
I....can't....stop.....
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Worf mentioned that the Klingons erraticated the Tribbles in the only good episode of DS:9 (the one where they go back in time to the Tribble episode of TOS). Perhaps this causes political tension?
I also think Q being in Starfleet giving Starfleet crappy ideas would actually be cool, especially if it is never revealed to the crew. Basically, fans of TNG would know EXACTLY who he is but everyone in the movie would be oblivious.
Lastly, did we ever figure out who shadowy future guy was on Bakula's Enterprise (the guy who started the temporal war)? It might be cool to have him involved in this as well?
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NO Khan, thanks. Abrams and Co are setting themselves up for an absolute SHITSTORM of a backlash if they even attempt to redux the Best Trek Ever - and one of the greatest villains ever, period. It's been done. We're in an "alternate" universe. Forget it. Have some other NEW enemy. No one but the Trekkies really care about ther plethora of different species throughout later Trek canon (who were all the fucking same - DULL - just with different noses and or/ears), but people know that Kirk and the Klingons aren't on the best of terms! So, have the second movie be about something entirely new - encountered whilst, er, exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life and new civilisations, with the Klingons in the background becoming more aggressive and positioning themselves at loggerheads with the Federation... ... then, Star Trek 3? BAM. Balls out Federation-on-Klingon warfare. Like we've all wanted to see for years. And no, much as I love the original crew, TOS and movies - I don't know off-hand if, in the Prime Universe, a Klingon War happened before Kirk was even alive... and I don't really care!
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Isn't she Billy Idol and Joan Jett's love child?
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it's true!
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This is a reboot, not a remake. Let's go new places and not do the same ole, same ole.
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I dont recall anyone around here complaining about that from the first one's talkbacks. Who are they referencing? Mainstream critics?! Who gives a shit?! Whenever they talk about reflecting modern day issues in new scripts part of me cringes, it's just not appealing to most of us. We see it everyday on the news, it surrounds us, why do I want to see it in my movies?! I want films that take me away from my problems, not shove my face back into them! As others here have said, as long as the new Trek has universal, classic themes (not necessarily modern allegory) then it'll be fine. Star Wars wasn't necessarily a sign of the times it was just a classic good vs. evil story and happened to be fun as hell! Just like this Trek. So keep it fun and quickly paced and bad ass and you'll be fine. I dont want torture or Iraq metaphors or a tanking space economy! I want fun and distant worlds and more of that hot green alien chick! As others have said, I want an adventure and discovery of new worlds and a truly bad ass villian this time around.
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...that's just her PR image, saw her in Philly at the Mummer's Parade once, normal makeup, hair, wearing a halter dress, she looked very girly. (Granted, she looks almost as scary as Lady Gaga in her videos, though.)
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if nero changed his past,then how did he become the man he was in the future? unlessa we are talking about parallel timelines,and nero jumped from one to another.Just like in the Timecop movie with vandamme.
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Go play with yuor Marvel action figures!
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that is!
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Sep 16, 2009 1:49:35 PM CDT
I don't insult Bob Orci..as I said, he is probably a nice guy
by conspiracy
No, I insult his scripts and his current writing ability.
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See I am the reel Asimov, becuase AsimovLives is no pussy.
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if they were just interesting enough to be story worthy.
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the insectoid parasites that controled some superior officers of the federation.Picard kills the brood mother (who was hidden inside an officer),but not before the creature manages to send a message into an unexplorer corner of the galaxy.
did they continue that story? did they ever show what were these parasites and who were their leaders? at the begining i thought the message was sent to the Borgs but that was not the case.so what happened with that? -
Oh, Yeah Baby!
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... and all you "too cool for school" crowd, and you cynical joyless jaded bores, and those of you who clung to Voyager and Enterprise and fooled yourself into thinking they were carrying on Roddenberry's "grand vision" and NOT simply running a franchise into the ground to keep the geek dollar rolling in... ... There were only TWO mainstream Summer movie events this year that got people talking, made people happy, caught people off-guard, and generated surprise repeat-business... One was Star Trek, the other was The Hangover, and both films deserved it. Let's face it: Terminator? Transformers? Horrible. Both of them. Transformers might not even make any pretence at having an iota of intelligence or semblance of narrative structure, but Salvation was a clusterfuck that, in hindsight, made zero sense in relation to its predecessors. I can't even THINK of any other "big" movies this year that made anything like the impression Trek or Hangover have done - which pretty much sums up how poor the season was. Of course, we can add District 9 to those two, albeit a little late in the game. I love Trek, always have - but I can't help but think that the Asimovs of this community are just jealous and wounded thath "their" beloved franchise has somehow been taken away from them and given to the audiences at large. It really is the only explanation for the blind hate towards a flick that no, wasn't the deepest and most profound tale over told on screen, but the first in years that had that Spielbergian feel of optimism, adventure, drive, and hope. And for once, the heroes weren't "dark", "moody", "flawed", "conflicted" (zzzzzzzzzzz) - they were honourable, brave, and Did The Right Thing for selfless reasons. Surely you fuckers aren't SO jaded as to say THAT's a bad thing, these days???
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I don't give a flying ferengi if the story is an allegory. I want some hot glistening blue aliens TnA happenin in the next trek. Where no man has gone before please!
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It is racist of you to assume that all portuguese know each other. i guess all chinese know karate and all peurto ricans drive Irocs!
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talkback complaints. If he listened to talkbackers, he'd make the dumbest movie of all time. If you know anything about the sci-fi genre, you know that it is a smokescreen for modern day issues. That's what sci-fi has always been. That's what Star Trek has always been.
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Let's not forget how The Dark Knight found a very fresh, original and unexpected approach to the "beloved" Joker, so the next Trek could do the same with Khan. The alternate timeline would force them to do a new story as opposed to a rehash IMHO.And yes, Javier Bardem would be perfect for Khan! If anyone needs convincing, just take a look at this:http://tinyurl.com/qcm36a
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Preventing us from ever being exposed to Transformers 2. Michael Bay screaming as his ship explodes multiple times from multiple angles is the climax of the movie.
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is a more popular talkback occupation then to coment about Star Trek. I would expect differently from the geeks.
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And that episode surprised the SHIT outta me. I couldn't believe that Picard and Riker and whoever else just shot their phasers at that Federation dude until the man's FACE AND CHEST EXPLODED with blood and viscera. Of course, it revealed that Brood queen underneath, but that gorey shot of his hollowed out, bloody ribcage knocked my socks off. I had to google that episode, to see if the brain slugs were in any relation to the brain slugs of Wrath of Khan and the new Star Trek movie. It turns out that the signal the creature manages to send was supposed to be setup for a major villainous species. Due to budget constraints however (I think) that species became The Borg instead.
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Sep 16, 2009 2:05:00 PM CDT
I thought season 3 of Enterprise was the only good season
by turketron_2
Mainly because it followed an arc rather than standalone format. Then, we got the fucking EVIL ALIEN NAZIS that made me WTF and collapse on my head, anime style.
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the most dumb, incompetent, stupid, retard movies made today, movies which ar enot only stupid but premuse that the audiences are brain-dead stupid too.Fuck him, really. Fuck Bob Orci.
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HOLY SHIT, I only have seen that episode once and it surprised the hell out of me too. What was the name of the episode? I want to see it again, I tell friends about the phaser head shot and no one believes me (and I had began to think I had dreamed that shit up).
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Thanks Asimov. Another gem of a statement. Try not to sound bitter or anything...
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http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1920944 Have the Enterprise blow this up. THERE's your modern-day relevance.
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First one stole heavily from Star Wars, so maybe the second one can steal from The Matrix, or Jaws, or The Mummy. I love how JJ talks about the first one working so hard to set up characters, like James NewKirk and his ability to be a shallow, selfish, brainless douchebag with the most generic of "bad boy turned good" personalities. Or NewSpock and his massive insanity attacks where he launches into violent illogical behavior towards NewKirk and then gets all buddy-buddy with him for no reason. Or "and the rest" where their characters were developed with catch phrases that had no connection to each other. But hey, at least we can watch more shitty post-TNG Trek where some afterthought studio puppet can heavy-handedly strongarm a "modern day" moral tale into a storyline without concern for characters or nuance or creativity.
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Answer: Nelly Furtado. She is portuguese from a family that came from the Azores. Which in portuguese is writen Açores.
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District 9 > Star Trek and Dawson Creek's lovechild. Why? Because apart from having absolutely badass action, it was funny and made me reconsider certain things. Like, what we, as a species are doing to each other by letting hundreds of refugee camps fester throughout the world like an open wound. And it wasn't "preachy" while doing it. I have every confidence that if JJ Abrams wants to, he can make a movie that does that. And it'll be fun, and we'll watch.
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...JJ and Co. chould take a few notes from the NATIONAL TREASURE movies.Of course the movies are not Shakespeare, but they have a successful, workable blueprint for exploring the unknown and solving puzzles.
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The episode was called "Conspiracy". Here's the article I read about it a few months ago. Includes screencap of the hollowed out Federation guy and the gnarly concept art for the scene. I still can't believe Picard exploded that man's head like he was one of the Scanners. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Conspiracy_(episode)
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Um, you're fucking Merrick. You know NOTHING. You are the fucking retarded kid of this site. The fucking Jimmy Olsen. You are only here so that Harry and Quint can be off having the fun and leave you with the dogshit end of the site. Hope this sits well with you.
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There are at least two precedents in Star Trek for the sort of "Cinematic Temporal Logic" that's on display in AbramsTrek.
1) The TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", in which the Enterprise-C jumps forward in time, changing history significantly and preventing the death of Tasha Yar. Then, when Tasha returns to the past with the Enterprise-C it sets the stage for the conception of her half-Romulan daughter. That episode uses precisely the same "cinematic temporal logic" as AbramsTrek.
2) In First Contact the crew of the Enterprise-E catches a brief glimpse of the alternate timeline where the Borg have assimilated Earth. The Enterprise-E is protected from the changed timeline because it's caught in the Borg's "temporal wake" at the time. In Trek physics, the problem of the "grandfather paradox" (if you change events in the past you should have no memory of events as you lived them, but then you would have no reason to travel to the past to change events in the first place) is eliminated thanks to this maguffin.
So First Contact set the precedent which allows Nero to change events in the past without losing any memory of events in his own timeline.It also allows Spock-Prime to tag along, because his journey back in time used the same "temporal vortex" that Nero used (using First Contact terminology here, but it's presumedly similar to the time-travel mechanism used in AbramsTrek). Presumedly, if Nero's temporal vortex had closed and Spock had travelled back in time by opening his own temporal vortex, it would have broken the rule established in First Contact.
This happens to be one of the reasons I really liked AbramsTrek. Abrams didn't HAVE to spend the time thinking about these continuity conundrums, especially since he wasn't a Trekkie who had spent his life nitpicking Trek to death. Lord knows Berman & Co. conveniently ignored continuity when it suited them.Abrams could have just invented his own devices to allow astronauts to smoke cigarettes in pure oxygen environments. Instead, he took the time to figure out the precedents that had already been set in Trek and used them logically for his own story. -
Are we really going to get allegory, themes that reflect our world and society today, that's what Star Trek does best. I hope so.
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Khan Sr.
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Good Gods, Star Wars died right there.
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You know who don't have an open mind? The idiots who mistake Jar Jar Abrams's emjo Trek for a good movie. They are so gulliblew, they ate it all up without questioning. To question things, you need an open mind. To understand the bad nature of Emo Tek, and how untalened Bob The Orci and Jar Jar Abrams ar,e it takes an open mind. Open mind dosn't mean blind acceptance, it means to have your mind discipline enough to have a critical capacity to accept and understand the bad stuff when it's there. The Emo Trek groupies are the most closed minded faithmonger individuals i ever seen outside of anm evangelical church. Jar Jar Abrams and Bob The Orci made their mediocrity known. So, why it is so wrong to understand that anything else from this guys is doomed to failure? That's only the logical conclusion. To expect anything else is an act of blind faith. And that's not open mindless, it's quite the contrary. It's blind faith.
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I'm sure it would be more entertaining than the film we got.
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With the Trill, those symbionts that lived through host bodies like on Deep Space 9. At least, this is according to that Conspiracy episode's page that I linked to; all this was created in one of those books. They had some secret war and Bajor joining the Federation would have been a great victory for the evil parasites in their plans to topple the Trill. Bizarre.
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Oh Christ. If you want to insult our intelligence for liking Star Trek, you might want to learn English first. I don't care if you're Portuguese.
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In TOS, the only time that occurs paralel universe effect, it's due to a malfucntion of the teleporter. It's, not caused by either a time travel or a fall into a black hole singularity. In fac,t black holes in TOS and TNG works as real black holes work in reality, as gravitational wells from which there's no escape once crossed the event horizont. It crushes and kills everything, as a black hole would. The device in Emo Trek to cause a time travel and create a paralel universe is not supported in anything that had been shown in neither TOS nor TNG. Basically, the filmmakers of Emo Trek know shit about Star Trek. They certainly know a lot about Star Wars, though, considering how much they stole from A New Hope for their movie's plot.
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interesting info there.its a pity they didnt continue with the threat of the parasites.
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There's also the one where Worf kept jumping across timelines into a different Worf.One of my fav TNG episodes BTW.
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I don't care if you find my english insulting. But i find your xenophobia insulting. Get your priorities straight, dude.
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What in the fuck are you talking about, AssimoffLives? So busy trying to be clever in your trollism that you forgot to speak English. If you can't have fun with Abrams' Trek then you deserve a five minute pillow to the face. Just like Merrick.
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It is a MOVIE, people. One that isn't even written yet. I think it's just a little early in the game to sway anyone from one way of thinking to another.
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He's gonna go apeshit.
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you will be as fluent in portuguese as i am in english. Deal? Until then, stop with your grammar nazi bullshit.
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I have nothing against foreigners. You've come to an English language forum, grammatically ill-equipped to handle a proper discussion, and have proceeded to insult almost everyone here by calling them idiots for liking a movie you didn't like. THAT is insulting.
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Even a retard could understand what i wrote. If you didn't, it's your problem.
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And, um... I CAN speak good English... and, uh... uh... You can't speak Portuguese... and, uh... you're Mom stinks and she dresses you funny... um... uh... fuck, shit. Asshole!
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Go teach your fellow countrymen how to write, there's a lot of them right here who would need the lesson! Fuck's sakes!
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then I'll learn fucking Portuguese. See the difference?
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"ONLY a retard could understand what I wrote." You're welcome for the correction. Now go play in traffic.
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Underscores can't harm you. Watch out for umlauts, though. Those nasty fookers will mutate your vowels.
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Sep 16, 2009 2:30:05 PM CDT
MODERN-DAY ISSUES?! The next Star Trek better not be about the g
by thunderpeel2001
Seriously, as long as we can relate to the characters, it's fine. The first movie didn't suffer because of that...! Did Star Trek II or IV or VI? :-/
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What am I Irish?
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The difference is that you are pedantic. Get a clue, friend. And go teach your countrymen how to write in their own language, because i see a lot of bad exmaples here. Hell, even you are not the brightest spot here either.
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Ther are TWO of them! This is getting out of hand!
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If i had to guess, i would say EVERYBODY who posts in here has english as their second language... and that includes the grammar nazis.
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It's "EVEN", not "ONLY". ONLY a retard could not understand what i wrote. You didn't. Take a hint.
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talking to aliens warning about global warming. Wait...
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Thanks for getting our backs. ;-)
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"A Lengthy Explanation As To The Origin of Kirk's Mole"
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When he's being insulted.
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Everybody. You too. The english in here is subpar. but it doesn't worry me. i don't give a shit about it. i car emroe about the ideas that the people transmit in their posts. Grammar is beyond secondary. how come a foreign like me has no problem understanding what everybody writes in her,e evne in the worst cases of bad gramamr, and yet you are so precious you cannot udnerstand a post from the slightest grammatical mistakes? That's pedantry. That's putting form before message. That's pedantic, and a show of poor understanding skills. I rather give importance to the message, to what is being said, then to the form. If i want to read great grammar, i pick up my copy of Moby Dick. Got it, friend?
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Asimov attempting to clarify one of his statements only makes it more confusing...
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comes a stunning allegory.
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But rest assured it will have everything you have all come to love in the ongoing saga of the making of Indy5. Sigh...poor Calista...just an innocent bystander in their devious scheme....
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You know what is funny? When a stupid calls somebody else stupid. In case you haven't figured it out yet, you are the stupid. Of cours,e you haven't figured that out yet, haven't you? Figures. fucking ass!
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Fried.
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Ironic, really, that you keep using that particular word over and over.
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What I said!
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YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS!!!
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Portuguese is in fact a very hard language to learn. It's a very difficult language. You could be fluent in spanish and you would still completly fuck up in portuguese.So, next time you try to play cute, get a clue first. Hell, you could start with Wikipedia on the subject
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You are the stupidest stupid that was ever pedantic! Rock on, brother!
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GO FUK YOUSELVES!
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No irony there, friend. Not from my side. I still know what the word means, do you?
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I like what he did with our names there.
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Sep 16, 2009 2:44:21 PM CDT
And to think I just came in here for my daily Merrick bash.
by jacklucas
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I bet you still haven't figured it out that there are two people here with similiar nicks. there's me, and there's the Asimov_Lives guy. Two different people. Got it? And you are a PEDANTIC grammar nazi. Sucks to be you.
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... because Worf was jumping between "parallel universes" rather than jumping between different points along a changing timeline within the SAME universe.
Of course, it's never been confirmed that AbramsTrek takes place within the same universe as Trek-Prime. It could still be that Nero and Spock-Prime travelled to a parallel universe rather than changing the timeline of the primary Trek universe.
Ever since I left the theatre after seeing AbramsTrek, I've firmly believed that this ambiguity could be used for great dramatic effect in future movies.
If AbramsTrek takes place within a parallel universe, then Spock-Prime should be working to find a way back to his own universe. He has no reason to care about the people who live in the AbramsTrek universe, any more than he would have reason to care about the denizens of any parallel universe we've seen in Trek. The problems of one's own universe are big enough without having to take responsibiliy for problems in other universe's.
BUT, if AbramsTrek takes place in the same universe as Trek-Prime, but with an altered timeline, this leaves Spock-Prime with a very difficult moral dilemma which could be exploited for great dramatic effect.
Spock-Prime has to decide, should he stick with the altered timeline, work with the Vulcan survivors to rebuild their society, and do what he can to help the Federation navigate future events? History has, of course, been inalterably changed so Spock doesn't know exactly what will happen in the future. But he is still in the unique position to have knowledge of the probabilities that certain events will happen as he remembers them. Since the timeline is fucked anyways, is there any moral reason why he should use his unique knowledge to try and guide Starfleet and the Federation?
Or, should Spock-Prime work on "repairing" the timeline to reverse the "damage" that Nero caused. Does Spock-Prime have the moral right to do so? After all, he's the only being in the universe who remembers the classic timeline. Why should he have the right to determine that the classic timeline is the "correct" one. For all he knows, the future of this new timeline could end up being "better" than the one he grew up in.
As far as I'm concerned, Spock-Prime should really be obsessed with finding out the true nature of this situation he's found himself in. Every decision he makes is supremely influenced by whether or not AbramsTrek takes place in a paraller universe.
Unfortunatly, I down Abrams & Co. will explore these questions. The whole reason Abrams created this alternate timeline was to get away from classic Trek. Exploring Spock-Prime's conundrum would defeat Abrams' purpose.
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I hope it isn't as obvious a situation as it was in The Voyage Home. That movie was fun, but it would be out of place in the new Star Trek universe.
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Those damn underscores are tricky bastards. Nearly as bad as trying to tell the difference between "o"s and "0"s. You got me there, slickster.
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We had one already and it sucked.
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I know two language. You guys collectively no only one language. that how stupid you are.
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How about all of us that have worthless, lazy family members living with us that tap us dry. You already have a set-up with Spock and Sybok. Rather than becoming a religous leader, because of the destruction of Vulcan, Sybok is now a bum who lives off of Spock on the Enterprise. "Spock help me, I have no where else to go. Dad won't talk to me, and my mom is dead now! Because of you pissing off that Romulan! Come on help a brother out, Spock!"
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Sep 16, 2009 2:48:11 PM CDT
Forget Spock "Prime", I don't think Nimoy will be in anything...
by conspiracy
He got his payday...and has all but said he won't be putting on the ears again. Then again...$$$$$ is one helluva drug.
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BOB ORCI'S GROUPIES!!! They are trying to divert the talkback away from bob The Orci and the Jar Jar Abrams subject, to save them from the usual shellacking. I got it, it's a diversion maneuver. Jezz, there's no end to the perfidy of the Bob Orci groupies.
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English certainly isn't one of them.
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Get a Klingon War with a message. They will probably torture a member of the Enterprise crew. Spock would interesting in that role, plus the actor is amazing. Nothing wrong with a message since Trek is all about analyzing the human condition or at least its supposed too.
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The Car Emroe's.
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did anybody else though, watching Jar Jar Abrams's Emo Trek, that Nimoy looked very frail, even for his age? Is he sick or something? Anybody knows?
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Beyonce had one o' da best videos o' all time!
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And his mndless groupie bitches, theyy probably watchd the 90210 reboot as well
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That's why every other web forum on the Internet has an edit button. I'm not going to take the time to proof-read every post I make before hitting the "post" button. I write too many posts to bother, and too few people are every going to read my posts for me to care about a few errors here and there. But when I do catch an error, I like to have an edit button available to correct the error.
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They are so fucking pedantic.
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Though, you kind of have to know that you made a mistake in order to be able to correct it. Don't think that's the road being travelled by Assimoff.
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Who gives a shit? What? you thivk you're better than me?
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Sep 16, 2009 2:56:19 PM CDT
conspiracy: Yeah, I know there is no Spock-Prime in this dojo...
by royston lodge
... but you gotta admit it'd be great fodder for new novels.
You gotta!!!!!
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just like Samson ansd his hippy hairs.
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was better. The audience boos.
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Sep 16, 2009 2:56:52 PM CDT
Moral message, allegory issues = B.O. death, Awesome villain= B.
by iluvsyfy
People go to the movies to escape the world and its issues, period. Make a movie with allegory and issues pertinent to our world and say bye bye to 250-300 B.O., you will end up making 100 B.O. or less. Thats what your typical preachy, talkie Trek makes, which would please the Trekkie fans. If you want the masses to come out and enjoy the movie, recommend it to others and have repeat business, you need a Trek that is fun, fast, well paced, great action set pieces, laced with good humor, above par performances and of course a great script but especially an antagonist that the audience will hate and love. The greater the main villain the greater the B.O. returns.
1. Star Wars (Darth Vader)
2. ST2 (Khan)
3. Jaws (Shark)
4. DK (Joker)
5. Spidey 1&2 (Greenie and Octy)
A lot of people I know were anticipating Star Trek because they loved the trailers and said that Nero looked awesome. After watching the movie they were dissapointed with Nero cause the trailers built him up as being cool, badass and the movie was a letdown to many (J.J. you should not have cut out all those Nero scenes). People want to see a bad ass motherfucking crazy evil villain to match the heroes, a villain that has depth and personality with plenty of screen time.
Super Great Villain = above 350 mil
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Sep 16, 2009 2:57:43 PM CDT
MAKE THE NEXT ONE A MIX OF HEAVY METAL AND BARBARELLA YOU USELES
by carlthormark1978
Go for a psychedelic Sci-fi freakout and replace that shitty Michael Giacchino theme with Ennio Morricone’s piece called “Valmont’s GoGo Pad” from his Danger Diabolik score. Either that or Enya’s “Exile”. Of course none of this will happen, Abrams and his two script monkey’s will just shove some half-assed allegory into yet another convoluted and nonsensical wankfest which is a shame because I think the next ST could be a great movie if only it had writers who weren’t retarded.
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I had just flipped the channel and ONLY caught that scene of the episode. I think I remember shouting "OHHH SHIIIT!!!!" at the top of my lungs.
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Not bad name. I lik it.
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That would fucking own!!!FACT!!!
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How fucking awesome would that be to see all those bugs flying over starships and shit? Cool!
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Is it too late to have Orci deported? And Abrams too, while we're at it...?
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'Cause, I'm pretty sure, that's where the first Asi made his appearance."You call this an apple? Fuck you and your pimply, whining re-imagined apple! Where's Bobborcee? I got a brontosaurus bone, right here, for that fucktard's poop-hole. 'Scuse me, Yahweh."
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They'll be doing all sorts of terrorist type shit and motherfuckers gonna have to band together to fight them.
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Was the damn lens flare's kept blinding my eyes!
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First off, thanks for the first film, it's the only thing I've seen this year where I didn't walk away feeling like I'd been ripped off. The allegorical concept sounds great--very much in tune with the original series. I only ask that you please use some type of visually stunning alien interaction to play this out. Make Trek innovative again and please no more Klingon/Vulcan stuff for a while. The repitition was what eventually disinterested trekees and virtually repelled everyone else. New aliens will bring in new fans.(Gorn being my personal top choice)
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What do you care how we see ourselves Mr. President of the Federation, you see us as you want to see us. You see us as a horny fratboy, a commie bastard, a super hot black chick who can hear my dick get hard when she walks in the room, a drunken Scotsman, a gay asian, a miserable racist Doctor….and a Vulcan.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:07:36 PM CDT
They don't make Star Trek movies like that where I'm from.
by bizarroasimovlives
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Gorn wouldn't be a new alien, would it?
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Sep 16, 2009 3:09:23 PM CDT
Too damn bad they just can't remake the remake of THE FLY
by subtitles_off
and call it DISTRICT 9.'Cause somebody already did that.
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Seriously, that dude is all fat now.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:12:07 PM CDT
WOULDN'T A BIZARRO ASIMOVLIVES ACTUALLY *LIKE* JJ TREK?
by bringingsexyback
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You ain't the boss o' dem.
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and put her in Trek 2. Done, and done.
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I f-in' hate the younger generation.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:14:46 PM CDT
INSTEAD OF ALLEGORY, DO LYRICAL LIKE THE FOUNTAIN…..
by carlthormark1978
I fucking LOVE that movie. Just give us something that FEELS different from just PEW PEW PEW KABOOOOM!!! Do a comedy or a Horror movie! You have a world of possibilities, USE THEM!!!
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I feel flatered.
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He would also understand irony. He wouldn't use his heritage as a defense against every criticism leveled against him. And he'd understand that not everyone who disagrees with his opinion is an 'idiot'.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:17:49 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, A GREEN CANDACE CAMERON?!? HELL FUCKING YEAH M
by carlthormark1978
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So, there's that.
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Two hours of Pine staring at a viewscreen.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:19:28 PM CDT
BRING IN COREY HAIM WITH HIS CRANK 2 MULLET AS CAPTAIN PHUCWAD!!
by carlthormark1978
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James Cameron's next game-changer.
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To where we should deport Jar Jar Abrams?
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A corrupt Starfleet. Much like our US government. High ranking starfleet officers and officials slowly change starfleets original principles, ideology and "constitution" if you will. They try and ram down terrible policies on alien alliances and remote starfleet ships/crews. Kirk and the gang "rebel" and we watch the "revolution" of the crew fix the corrupt tyranny that is now Starfleet. Very similar to what is about to happen and is happening today. : )
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There's the thing. Some internet fucktards criticize pop culture. And some other internet fucktards criticize them that criticize. Both are fucktards.The Real Asi isn't a fucktard.Play the game or go fuck right off.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:23:50 PM CDT
Mr. Bringing Sexy bak person, I'm dissapointed....
by bizarroasimovlives
Just beause i have Bizarro at tyeh beginning of my nem you automatically assume I'm an exact oppsitte? Nest thing you know I'm suppse to no how to use spellheck and chage my underwer daily. That's racial profiling frindo
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Too late, Jar Jar Abrams' Emo Trek IS the NCC-90210.
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I thought it was a beautiful movie. Yeah, the story was thin, but its focus on the human condition is what moved me.
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It's a rare person in here who can see through the bullshit, like you do. You are a pearl among swines.
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That makes me laugh.
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...and I don't much care for the idea of making the next Trek 'relevant' by making it an allegory of the Iraq war/'torture' scenarios. Just make an original, exciting sci-fi movie that kicks major ass and further develops the relationships between the classic characters we all love. And leave the sermonizing for the pulpit.
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So Star Trek is going to have a Jimmy Carter/Barak Obama like President that takes the Trek Universe into a socialistic/communistic society where all the wealthy and middle class give up their freedoms and their wealth away to the Government and then the Government takes control of everything and money does not exist anymore. A Utopian society is formed and everyone in the planet sings Kumbaya together.. Then the Klingons come in and laugh at how stupid the humans political system is. The Klingon leader is Bush/Reagan like and the only way to defeat them is with the help of trillions of tribbles being beameed onto the Klingon homeworld dispacing them forever.. :)
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There sastified?
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Fully agree with you about The Fountain, with one exception: i don't think the story is thin, i think it's a simple narrative story with has a lot of meanings and themes intermixed. I don't rate that as having a thin story, if you understand me.
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We all like what we like.It's a good feeling to be moved by something. I'm glad that happened for you with THE FOUNTAIN.
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Ur faker than your portuguese accent. I bet your really from Yonkers and jack off to picks of Chris Brown while butchering the English Language with broken pillow talk
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Why?
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...just saying.
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The Star Trek TOS had a liberal agenda. Jar Jar Abrams's Emo Trek is a GOP voting neo-con movie. From the same filmmaker,s i'm certain that your fears of a liberal Trek movie can rest easy. there's no way that a new Emo Trek movie made by the same people who made Emo Trek 1 will have any liberalism in it.
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At least a magical fairy dust filled Utopian society that Starfleet becomes needs to come from somewhere.. The Klingons would be the opposite and it would be funny to see their entire homeworld filled with tribbles...
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So scared of the mythological Liberal Agenda.Like somebody's gonna creep past their butler and make their teenage son start jacking it to superhero porn.You know, if you're scared all the time, you're gonna develop a tumor. And, according to your rules, you'll pay some Mega-Corp your gay son's entire inheritance to have it removed.
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....the fantastic TOS era, only to NOT boldly go where no man has gone before?Fuck the 'contemporary political allegory' and Klingons, and give us some actual EXPLORATION of the UNKNOWN! And that's STILL one FUGLY-looking new 'Enterprise' design by the way....
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Which of the Asimovs are you talking to? We are legion here.
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was when the credics started rolling at the n
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...D'OH!
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Instead of their male children start jerking off on Wrestlers and Nascar drivers?
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OK, but only if you promise to take the patriotic propaganda out of my sporting event.
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I don't want to see conservative or liberal crap in the next Trek movie. It is a fantasy. Keep it that way.. We don't need a Platoon/Star Trek about an Iraq War/Vietnam allegory.. Have the doomsday machine show up and tackle some of the best of the original series. The Guardian of Forever for example would make a great time travel story that would be different than Star Trek IV and First Contact.. Make this movie for the fans and not for a particular group..
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Yes, the end credits music of the movie is one of the best film music i have heard in the whole decade. So, technically, you are right.. but not for the same reasons you wanted to say.
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Run and hide, fukkers!
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Rich in the type of thematic subtext that was missing from Abram's Star Trek. Isn't it amazing that the new Trek could have soo much going on and, yet, it isn't about anything, just heroes and villains shooting at each other. The Fountain was about so much more.
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The TOS was a fantasy SF show which was also a moraly play. and it was the best for it. The Emo Trek movie we got this year is a dumb stupid movie about nothing. It's worst.
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LOL... SO what kind of Trek do you want to see? If I want an Iraq War movie, The Hurt Locker is good enough.. And even then you have liberals complaining it wasn't anti-war enough..
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The story was weak for me,hwevr the music was beautifil at the end credits...
NO WORRIES WE R STILL ONE! -
I'm not gay, so I don't know for certain, but I think you gotta have abs (the equivalent of big boobooloos) if you expect somebody to jack to you.
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Two good movies do not a bad one make.
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Maybe you should stick with TRANSFORMERS, bud. No offense.
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out his character.
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I think them gross. Some might love them, though.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:37:41 PM CDT
Cervantes, THE NEW ENTERPRISE DID LOOK LIKE SHIT....
by carlthormark1978
It looked bulky and stunted. They should have just taken the Classic Trek Movie Enterprise and put some red and blue on the nacelles. Perfect.
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There's a beautiful alien world. Let's blow it the fuck up!
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I agree that morality played a huge roll in TOS Trek. I for one didn't like the reboot Trek as much as the original cast and movies because the characters emotions and attitudes toward each otherwhich made the show great has now been re-imaged. Spock kissing Uhura? An emotional young Spock? Sylar is a great character in Heroes, however Quinto did not play Spock the way he should have..
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It made me think David Bowie sucked.For a moment.Allegorically, not literally. I realise DB put his mouth on genitalia. Hey! Don't judge. Lots of us experiment when we're young.
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Avatar, that's another Captain Planetesque movie if I ever saw one. Imagine if Aliens had come out today? We'd have the humans being the bad guys for taking up space and breathing the air of the alien planet..
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I think the approach they're considering is fine. As long as they don't do another time travel story and bring the Enterprise crew to present day earth to address those issues. And they need to be careful to make those issues they're addressing but timely and timeless, if that makes any sense -- in other words, if the allegory is TOO specific the movie risks becoming dated.
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He or she insists on calling liberalism "morality."Again, no offense, but you do realise Jesus would backpedal on his entire belief system just to smack Glenn Beck in the face, right?
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You no it to be true.
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The problem with mvoies like Jar Jar Abrasm's Emo Trek, and Terminator Salvation and all other blockbusters released this year is that they have lots and lots and lots of plot, and yet, very little actually happens in terms of story. If youhad to summ up the story in those mvoies, you could do that in one or two paraphraphs, evne less. Maybe even in the proverbial 20 words or less. Seems, most filmamkers today, and even geeks, mistake a plot with lots of incidents happening as story. It's not. In fact, watching the ST TOS episode,s i notice that in each 40 minutes of those episode,s there's more story then in all of the 2 hours 30 minutes of Jar Jar Abrams's Emo Trek.Another thing that so interesting to watch in this blockbusters form this summer, like emo Trek is that, for the most part, all that happens in the story ends up inconsequential. There's lots of action adn incidents happensding, and in the end things either remain the same or the efforts of the characters amoutn to nothing. In Emo Trek, ther eis this super-extended action scenes about trying to save Vulcan, lots of shit happens at the same time, and in the end, all for nothing. This is not storytelling, this is just shoving a lot of stuff happening with great sound and fury, to flash on the eyes of the audiences. It's, literally, sound and fury signifying nothing.
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He'd still be a retarded.
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If aliens appeared in the real world...you don't think humans WOULD BE the bad guys? Shit, first we'd bad-mouth them as illegals, then we'd shoot 'em all.Sorry, bro, but human nature IS evil.
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Tila Tequila is a half-Grey human hybrid.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:46:10 PM CDT
None of the Asimovs are well thought out on their characters
by mattmanreturns
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If Jesus knew what his teachings were being used for, he had stepped down from the cross and said "fuck this shit" for that dying for their sins stuff. If Jesus knew what his tachings would end up, he would had never left he carpentery business.
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Hmm, that sounds like District 9..lol..
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Hey, DAWSON'S TREK ripped off STAR WARS for the first one - all action, very little plot = opposite of REAL Trek which is lots of plot and philospohy,only a little action at the end - so we expect these fucking franchise rapers to rip off something else relevant. Expect Michelle Forbes as a badass Romulan captain (nice nod to her old Trek: TNG days as Ro Laren) and lots of agonising over whether waterboarding a Klingon violates the Prime Directive. Oh, and then the ending is fucking confusing and as shite as shite can be.
I saw DISTRICT 9 tonight for the first time. I don't care if they never make another DAWSON'S TREK movie as long as I live - Neill Blomkamp is the fucking future of SF - FACT. That movie was a stone-cold instant CLASSIC. -
we let our NFLers choke our skanks. We even praise them for it. Instead of praising Tila for not going all real on that fucker's ass and blasting him with her heat vision.
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Wrong. At least in all of us there's more to us then just bitching about grammar.
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I vote fro What About Brian Trek. One more vote and its afficial. Who's with me? bizzarro?
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Good points. Year of Hell, Parts 1 & 2 from VOYAGER is a better example then.
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And then sends a bolt of lightning that singes all his hair off his back..lol
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where the aliens rummaged through our crap looking for their crap which was so essential to their survival they threw it away.Jebus, D9 sucked!
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...It's YOUR fucking fault we now have a beauty-over-gravitas crew who aren't capable of acting their way out of a paper bag, rather than REAL actors who can communicate complex ideas about ethics, morality and philosophy that CAN'T be turned into two and a half minute face-melters by fucking My Chemical Romance, Paramore or fucking Linkin Pussy.
It's you ADD afflicted, MTV swallowing wastes of fucking oxygen that did this. They dumbed down Trek because YOU fuckers ARE DUMB. Thanks for killing one of the smartest SF franchises out there, and turning it into something even George Lucas would think twice about making. FUCK YOU ALL. -
It is DAWSON'S TREK. It always has been since I was whoever I was handled before I was handled Bjornegar and first christianed it DAWSON'S TREK.
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In the TOS episode The Entreprise incident, there is also a femalle romulan commander. She tries to seduce Spock and gets herself seduced. Spock is quite the ladies man.
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DAMN YOU VILE WOMAN! I CURSE THE DAY YOU PUSHED ME FROM YOUR WOOOOOMB!!!
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All those same guys LOVE D9.You can't be wastes of fucking oxygen just part of the time, can you?
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Sep 16, 2009 3:52:20 PM CDT
JJ's Star Trek was a hack piece of modern bullshit....
by bizarroasimovlives
Ther's no if ands OR butTs about it. And if youre antiicapting a sequl you would be bettr off waiting to ctach swine flu.
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Dawson's Trek/Emo-Trek..Whatever!!
At this point I wish Mel Brooks would get the directing job on the next Trek film.. I'd love a Black Bart character.. May the Schwartz be with you..Nazi's dancing...He knew how to make a political movie... If Abrahms sends Kirk and Spock into the past and its the Iraq war, I'm going to throw my popcorn at the screen and walk out.. Make it real.. Make it a Star Trek movie everyone can be proud of.. -
But was this Romulan captain as sexy as either Dina Meyer (NEMESIS) or Michelle Forbes (my wildest dreams)? WAS SHE??
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The irony is that George Lucas is a major Star Trek fan, and he always hated the comparison between the two shows, calling it disgraceful. He specially hates the fan wars formented by the Star Wars fans against Star Trek. Think about it.
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Or totalitarian. Fukkin A. I spelled totalitarian right. No red squiggly lines under it. I did it again.
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I can't believe these idiots. Most people go to the movies to escape the drudgery of the rat race. If Abrams gives me a Trek2 with Starfleet in a recession, fending off terrorists and allegations of torture, I will shit on him from a great height.
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But do they UNDERSTAND D9... or do they just like it for the cool weapons that turn men into crimson rain??
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It shuld be officilly called Star Wrek
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she was sexy. A bit long on the tooth, so to speak, she would be called a MILF today, but she had an amazing pair of legs. Spock almost made her his bitch, so to speak. The dude had the skills. Fascinating.
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*AIKIDO MOVES*Deflects, removes weapon, tosses it in gutter, rejoins TB.
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We have discovered the true way of determing the true Asi.The one, true Asi doesn't give a FUCK about red squiggly lines!Underscore is a PUSSY!GRIN
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George Lucas is a dooshbag!
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toadkillerdog or MrNiceGaius, 'cause I'm starting to like Underscore.
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Eat my pussy! You like portuguese skank. Grow hair on your chin.
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Sep 16, 2009 3:57:52 PM CDT
bizarroAsimovlives, speaking of Star Wrek, i really liked that m
by asimovlives
Really very well made movie. Much better then the Jar Jar Abrams's movie. and funny thign is, evne though Star Wrek is a parody of Star trek, and sometimes even quite harsh, in the end is shows far more respect and knowledge then the fucking Emo Trek bullshit we got courtesy of Jar Jar Abrams.
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The crap is important in D9 isn't it? No ifs ands or buts about that. lol.. Dang, just watching TV, this father catches a foul ball at a Philly game, gives it to his 2 year old daughter and she throws it back onto the field.. Classic... Now back on topic..
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Like my Yoda impersonation?
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in D9 was dispensed twenty minutes in. Even Blowkamp didn't follow through on the allegory.
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Actually, portuguese women are known to be quite voluptuous.
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He probably loves it because the old Trek movies had something the STAR WARS movies never had - real depth.
Don't get me wrong - my life was changed by the OT movies, as was most kids my age. But TREK was INTELLIGENT - in a way that made your brain hurt. I had philosophy discussion with some of the dumbest mates I have, because of TREK, which made them think in ways they'd never have come up with themselves.
Take INSURRECTION, which I loved. It's about aging and what that means for all of us. It's about the hypocrisy of taking the gift of eternal youth from one race in order to rape the planet and take its riches for ourselves. It's about the morality (or lack thereof) of destroying a people's utopia in order to steal their secrets and make them our own. In short, it's about how the Federation became ca bunch of freebooting bullies, and Picard tells them to go fuck themselves.
And for those dumb fucks who hate ST5: THE FINAL FRONTIER so much, three words:
KIRK VERSUS GOD.
If you can't get behind THAT concept, go fuck yourselves.
I think George always wanted WARS to have the depth and intelligence of TREK, whilst completely missing that WARS had something TREK never had, and always needed: COMPELLING, NARRATIVE-SUPPORTING ACTION.
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You like him over me, is that it? BITCH!!!
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Nice.
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I agree, if Abrams does give us a Trek2 with Starfleet in a recession, fending off terrorists and allegations of torture, I too will be pissed off..
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But I am underwhelmed at the idea of making Star Trek 2 political allegory. Jeeze, Louise. Come on. Give me a damn Star Trek movie. Unless Kirk is (a) all for torture and (b) remain unrepentant at the end of the movie. I could go with that.
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But they put old man makeup on Nimoy to make him look more frail.
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Asimovlives is the same no mater what dimension---Bitchees!
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I wouldn't surprise-sex either of you from behind.
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Have a word with yourself! The allegory was pretty full-on the whole way through!
For these dumb fucks nowadays, D9 is as heavy-handed a metaphor for apartheid as you could wish for - but I guarantee you must of them fucking missed the point...
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You know what I think? To quote Johnny Rico... "... I say we KILL 'EM ALL!!!"
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Bitch is frail.
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I hjave been watching the TOS non-stop this two months straight. i'm now at the begining of the much maligned 3rd season,a nd i have to say, so far so good. Evne the much mocked and hated episodes Spock's Brain and The Children Shall Lead still have one or two interesting concepts to wrap your mind around, which is one or two concepts more then can be found on Emo Trek. And this is what's hysterical, evne the bad TOS episodes had more food for thoughts then an entire 2 hours 30 minutes movie. Mind blowing, really. Gene Roddenberry really got the future wrong, in the future people are stupidier, not smarter.
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It was a solid movie. If it had been lecturing to me about politics and humanity--unless it was with tongue firmly planted in cheek--I don't think I would have cared for it much.
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But you know what 3 means? It means we can out-maneuver and flank attack. To quote from another great movie, be afraid, be very affraid.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:05:40 PM CDT
AsimovLives - Only Mike Judge got the future totally CORRECT
by spud mcspud
Watch IDIOCRACY. Everything in that movie is so right, it's scary more than funny. It's the West in 20 years - absolute FACT.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:06:05 PM CDT
"they put old man makeup on Nimoy to make him look more frail."
by bizarroasimovlives
--More like a valve of crack. Lenard NImoy was so skinny n that movie he made Whitney Houston look like Opprah!
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The world shall be ours, and came the revolution, the grammar nazis will be the first against the wall.
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I saw the same movie you did.The aparthied allegory pretty much ended after twenty minutes replaced with a bad remake of the remake of THE FLY with big bits of "Cloverfield," "ET," "Aliens," "Enemy Mine," and "Independence Day" shoved in the left-over space.
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Some of us havent seen D9 yet.
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it sounds familiar
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"It says on your chart that you're fucked up. Uh... You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded."If only our future healthcare would be that good.
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I'd much rather live in a world full of Asimovs than a world full of Christian Bales.There. I said it.
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Never talk bad about the late great Leonard Nimoy. Bite your tongue, bitch.
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Or was it Thr3e, that script by Donald Kaufman? One was it called One...
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Actually, Idiocracy got 2009 right. It riglty predicted the major sucess of a very dumb movie, which he called ASS: THE MOVIE. And there really is such a movie, it's called Jar Jar Abrams' Emo Trek.
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doesn't make it ABOUT ghetto-ization.
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I'm just a naughty boy.
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D9 is over-rated.
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Rehabilitation? That would be excellent television. That's never gonna happen."I got a three point plan to fix everything. Number one: we got this guy Not Sure. Number two: he's got a higher IQ than any man alive. And number three: he's going to fix everything."
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I thought you'd been ignoring me for about a month.
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You got any bizzarro? If I don't get me sum Bobby gonna put a beatin down on my skank ass.
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We gotta agree to disagree on this one. Right to the end, D9 kept its eye on both the personal AND bigger picture stories.
Can we agree, however, that if DAWSON'S TREK was even HALF as good as D9, it would be several thousand percent better than the made-for-the-tween-demographic-fuck-the-real-Trekkers movie we got this year?? -
Quick. Somebody come in and fuck it all up. (I predict MrNiceGaius.)
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It was me who was ignoring you. I thought you knew it was me! Boo-hoo!
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It's not a quote from a movie, it's from real life. It was heard a lot during those revolutionary times in the 70s. For instanc,e in my country Portugal, there was the Carnation revolution, mostly a left winger revolution that thrown down a fascist dictatorship. And soem of the most enthusiastic and extreme left-wingers, very much inspired by such revolutionaries as Che Gevara, wanted to catch and shot the major participants of the fascist dictatorship. This where the expression emerged, the "first against the wall". but the expression was actuially an international one, you would heard from all of the revolutionaries from the 70s and early 80s. I find the expression particulary funny.
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His candy coated view of humanity is completely unrealistic, and if they were anywhere near that altruistic they would be relegated to a minor role in the Federation. My guess is the Ferengi would be in charge, and the Klingons would be their muscle. The Romulans and the Cardassians have the political complexity and the ruthlessness to counterbalance them somewhat, but the Ferengi's commercial advantage would always give them the edge.
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D9 was as bad, if not worse, than DAWSON'S TREK. You don't have to agree with me. That's just my view based on my tastes and having watched 7000 movies in my lifetime.
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Harry Mudd is a host of a subspace radio show who mobilizes his moronic listeners to demand the President of the Federation show his long form birth certificate with rumors he is really a Ferengi.
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Patrick Swayze fans forgive me saying this, and though you have all my sympathy for his tragic departure, i rather have Swayze dead then Nimoy.God, that was a really evil thing to say!
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Sep 16, 2009 4:16:54 PM CDT
i mean to say, "Leonard Nimoy isn't dead, Patrick Swayze is"
by asimovlives
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I did? Oh, well. I'm portuguese. In yo face!
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That's the thing with fiction...It's SUPPOSED to be different than reality.Some of us like a pretend-world uncompromised by all your real-world, Support Our Troops Even When The Sodomize Foreigners bullshit.
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and he was feeling damned good for a man of almost 79; his new friend J.J. Abrams had asked him to stop by Bad Robot productions...just for a chat, just to run a few ideas by him. Leonard had readily agreed, he had had more fun than in decades making the last "Star Trek" movie, and had actually enjoyed being the go-to man when last minute ideas were thrown about and needed the voice of an original cast member, plus the gigantic payday salved the tiedium of having those silly ears glued on...yes..it would be good to see J.J. again His car pulled into the lot and Leonard stepped into the late summer sunshine of Southern California..., "Strange, looks Surprisingly empty for a company in pre-production of what was surely a multi-year project" he thought as he ambled into the entrance and made his way to where JJ's private office was.JJ sat behind an onyx desk, perhaps a size too large, the walls were hung with the latest flat screens money could by, a MAC fronted him..."Leonard", JJ said as he stood and approached the aged but dignified icon..."so good too see you again!" as he reached to shake the older mans hand..."have a seat my friend" he went on as he offered Nimoy a chair. Leonards eyes were still adjusting to the darness of the room as JJ too a seat behind the symbol of his new found power, and though he could not put a finger on it...something...something seemed...off. Odd. There was a tension in the air he could not explain...."Well", JJ started, "I guess we should get right down to business....We need you again, as Spock" Leonard without a though raised his eyebrow."JJ, we have already talked about this...at the end of the last production...I was happy to help out on the new picture...but I am done with 'Spock'". The smile was still on JJs face as the last words spat escaped from the man who personified Sci-Fi for over 4 decades. "Well...., " JJ sighed, "we kinda though you'd lean that way..." Leonard heard a noise from the pitch black corner behind him...a breath..."yes...yes we did" replied a voice. "Bob....Bob Orci, is that you?" asked Leonard to the void...."yes it is Leonard" replied Bob as he walked from the shadows to stand next to JJ..."Good to see ya again...I haven't seen you...since...well that night in Glendale in 2008...you remember that night don't ya Leonard...man was that some fun; wasn't it?" said Orci...cold, calculating...the malice poorly hidden in his voice..."Good times indeed" Orci continued. Leonards mind raced...2008...Glendale...yes..he remembered it...how could he forget it....during talks for him to reprise 'Spock', he remembered the talk of money...the free flowing wine...the Hookah full of the finest Hash he had ever parten of...and ...and....the girl...my God the girl..."The girl" whispered Leonard as the screens behind JJ flickered to life. And there she was, a beautiful girl of 16 maybe 17 lingered there...a dozen lines of Peruvian Coke stretched out on her tight abdomen....and there he was..Leonard Nimoy, naked...snorting a long line before taking her firm breast into his mouth...laughter erupted from the speakers...whoops..and yells of "Get her SPock", "Give her the Vulcan Greeting in her vagoo...give her the Shocker!" Dear God...thought Leonard...the bastards taped it...dear god!"Anyway", continued JJ..."here is what we have in mind"....too be continued..
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First contact was full of awesome quotes... and Picard got to go apeshit with a tommygun. Need some of that shit in Star Trek 2: The Dos.
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It's inevitable.
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But, you knew that already.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:18:42 PM CDT
If Nimoy dies today its yo falt, Asimov "no underscore" Lives
by asimov_lives
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It mgiht had been an irrealistic view of humanity, but it was a beautiful anjd inspiring one. Jar Jar Abram's view of humanity is that in the future, everybody acts like spoiled brat emo teenagers. I prefer Roddenbery's vision, however irrealistic it might be.
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Good lord!!
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However much i like Kirk... Picard is better! Bald power!!
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You couldn't ignore me even if your kidney operation depended on it.
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Roadhouse Trek. That would be so awsome! Too bad Swazyes dead.
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Firing away at Chunk from The Goonies as he does the truffle shuffle? Makes me laugh every time.
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Was Twitter
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Yeah! Let's kill grammar!
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THAT WAS HYSTERICAL!!!!!
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In fact, I met Patrick Stewart last week. And I made him feel all sad, and then I inappropriately snapped a picture of him while he was looking sad.
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We all prefer Swayze dead to Nimoy dead. Course, neither of them dead would be cool, but we all gotta die.Evil would be: "Even if it meant Hitler could return, I want Michael Jackson back."That's a whole new kind o' EVIL.
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And damn, just as another addition of conspiracy.
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... With your opinion, which is of no consequence at all.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:26:27 PM CDT
They wil, Mattmanl and the masses willl be powerless against r w
by bizarroasimovlives
MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Merfer has been Picard, Prof. X, Ahab and Scrooge!How did you sadden him?
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Nice try trying to ingratiate yourself with the Movement. but we know you, we got a file on you, with pictures, bio, and profile. We know were you live. come the revolution, your trial will be swift. We already have the bullet with your name on. And after the deed, we will charge your family the price of the bullet.
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Where the fuck is Cloverfield 2 JJ?!!!
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how you make him sad? You shat on his copy of Hamlet or something?
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cant wait for the rest
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"See, I told you so"s, I'd summarize this bitch tomorrow morning.Not gonna happen.
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It's that scene in Hoth in Emo Trek, when emo kirk is running away from the even bigger monster that wants to eat him, for reasons only the Jar Jar knows.
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regarding the quote.thanx.
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will also be the first against the wall, came the revolution.
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i aim to please.
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Since you're eradicating people you find distasteful. I assume you're gonna kill all the fans of Abrams' Star Trek as well? That might take some work.
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It was beautiful and inspiring, but it was also frustrating as hell trying to comprehend how the Federation would remain viable. I guess that's why the writers eventually came up with the idea of Section 31, it's hard to believe the Federation would survive without them.
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I don't have another 15min to spare until later...But if Bob comes around...I'll continue tonight
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He didn't go all-bitchy on ominus despite the name mis-spelling.I feel like my Earthly existense as been worthwhile.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:34:16 PM CDT
This aggression against Patrick Stwart will not stand!
by bizarroasimovlives
Save your aggression for jar jar's next outting! FUCKERS!
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That's just ridiculous, bro.
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That I grew up watching the show (meaning Star Trek) and how it became our family time at my mom's house after my parent's divorce. At this, he stopped signing my photo and sat back and said softly "Oh.... oh..." and started looking sad and introspective, reflecting on how the show could be affecting in more ways than he though, I suppose. And I was just blabbering away about how it was our family time every week and blah blah blah, and I was kinda having a bit of celeb-shock, and I know they wanted to move fast (or at least I assume they did, since the line was moving fast), so I quickly asked to take a photo, like others did before me. But as I was taking the photo, my immediate thought was that "you moved too fast", that maybe they'd think I was just tossing this sentimental story their way in an effort to get close and be allowed to take a picture with a camera that looked semi-professional. And then, of course, its while he's still looking introspective and sad. I walked away feeling AWFUL. Of course, I did tell him that we loved his appearance in "Extras" and that we'd been quoting him all weekend (this is at Dragon*Con a week and a half ago). And THAT made him let out a true and genuinely hearty laugh, which made me feel better. But walking away, I still felt bad about making him feel bad and then immediately snapping a picture of him. But I was just a bit celeb-shocked and trying to help my moving along quickly. This is all after he had a pleasant conversation with the woman before me, director or producer of NPR's "All Things Considered" on the weekend, which Patrick Stewart said was the only thing that kept him sane all his years living in California.
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Typo amnesty, please?I'm not stupid. I'm just not careful.
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I've heard of Che Guevara, though.
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That I had wanted to bring a copy of Robin Hood: Men in Tights to have him sign. But alas, it got lost in the midst of all the sentimental talk.
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the grammar nazis like yourself. The rest are people worth of life and freedom. Except people who make Patrick stewart cry, those will get re-educated in good proper manners to have in the company of talented english theater gentlemen... through hard labour.But the grammar nazis, they will all be fucking dead!
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putting people up against a wall. Or calling people idiots because they like a popular movie. I called Asimov out on his repeatedly horrendous grammar because he was calling other people stupid for liking a movie.
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Same thing. And really, you are not making things better for yourself. You will be the first against the wall indeed. We are even making the bullet blunt, so that it will hurt more then it enters your body.
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Because he's used the term "grammar nazi" about fifty times since.
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You just reminded him of his own divorce.No harm, no foul.Next time you want to "toss out" a story for a celebrity, might I suggest "hemochromatosis" (rarer, therefore more convincing than cancer or AIDS) or "death of a soldier brother"?
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Even a fool knows that gramamr is no direct indication of a person's leval of intelligence. And this foes double if said person is a foreinger. and it goes triple if the person who's bitching has no knowledge of the other's native language. Percebeste? Ou isso é um conceito demasiado dificil para entenderes?
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Looks like I made an impression.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:42:22 PM CDT
"gramamr is no direct indication of a person's leval of intellig
by mattmanreturns
No comment.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:42:49 PM CDT
MattmanReturns, and you will be the first against the wall
by asimovlives
You're fucked, dude.
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some other starfleet crew eplores a new planet that contains a virus that cause them to fuck each other to death. This starfleet crew heads back to earth. The virus spreads. Instead of Zombies you have Screwbies. Kirk, Spock and Bones have to save earth before it's laid to death.
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you would had figured that a long time ago. You don't, and chosed the path of pedantry. Sucks to be you. The bullet is waiting you.
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It's MY wall, and I will not have it splattered.But, really, Mattman, a movie's popularity is no reason against anyone's disliking it. Asi has formed his opinion. He can back it up. You disagree. Move the fuck on.
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Damnit! Don't go stealing my idea!
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Lots of bullets are "waiting" me, because you just keep giving me ammunition.
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Through the internet?? Fucking shit, this is mind blowing! Grammar pedantry and complete lack of sense of humour: of course! Obvious!
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I'm gonna really you, Asi. Come on, I thought you'd grown past all that tit-for-tat stuff.I guess my Earthly existense doesn't really matter. I'll be in the corner eating worms and feeling bad as Patrick Stewart reminded of his divorce.
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Or a child of divorce?
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Man the fuck up! Go buy some cojones and a sense of humour. Fuck's sake! The Way Of The Pussy indeed!
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I'm done. The guy kept calling people idiots for liking a movie that a LOT of people like. I'm not saying people SHOULD like it. I'm just saying don't question someone's intelligence for liking a movie, and then do so with horrendous grammar. Anyway, I'm done with Asimov, now that the argument has gone into "I'm gonna shoot you" territory.
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I gave it to him a month ago.Sorry, but I'm the boss o' dese things.
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I don't think Patrick Stewart ever married. He does live with his girlfriend, which is quite younger them him.One of the coolest thing about Stewart was that once he was voted sexiest man on TV. I think that is a really cool thing, that a guy like him could be voted as a sex symbol.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:51:04 PM CDT
AsmivLives says, "My Kidney stones make better movies"
by lockesbrokenleg
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For once you said something right... even if i don't have kidney stones... and they would still make a better movie.
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It's just that I know Asi doesn't really mean you're an idiot if you like DAWSON'S TREK. He knows you might not be an idiot about other, more important things.He's just really frustrated by the general acceptance of something that is incomprehensible to him.You've been there. I know you have.Ask me about Nolan's batman some time.Jebus, you'll think Asi is a Buddhist, compared to me, bro.
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in the naked now episode.where data is.. fully functional, and programmed in multiple techniques for sex.
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Now I'm sad.Whatchoo gonna do 'bout that, pardner?
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You and your lies about Star Trek.I honestly think I was shown a different movie than some of you here. It was, IMO, brilliant. And that's not hyperbole, as is usually the case on these talkbacks. As a long time Trek fan, who has seen it through high's and admitted lows (and a lot of middling) I thought it was crisp, clever, well written and casted.Aside from that it was a huge success, despite what some tb posters say. It was enormous for a Trek film even if we only speak of the US take. It more than double the take of the second highest grossing Trek film ever. Not to mention being in the top five for the year.It cost $150 million to make, and even if you give them $50 million for promoting it, which is a hell of a lot more than they actually spent. That's a cost of $200 million, and it still doubled it's money for Paramount.I don't feel that box office results = good film. I'm sure most of you agree. Who honestly thinks TF2:ROTFLMAO is better than UP? So why box office receipts even got brought up in a discussion of the films quality baffles me.That said, you can hate the movie all you want, but I'd like to see anything to back up the claim that it underperformed.
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as a funny comment on that idiot Republican doing the Kanye during Obama's speech.It wasn't directed as a personal insult.
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Sep 16, 2009 4:58:50 PM CDT
Doubtful that Orci has the talent to write an allegorical story
by pissed off and bitter
But hey, the reboot was great so I could be wrong. But I'm usually right so....
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specifically, the time Reagan marooned Gorbechev on a planet thought to be life-sustaining, only to later find out that it's sun went supernova, turning it into a desert wastland, and Gorbechev's subsequent quest for revenge.
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No one is under any obligation to "back up" their claims about pop culture.Any more than you are under an obligation to defend yours.
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Of course i'm goin to call people idiots for liking a bad movie, even if a lot of them liked it. If the lemmings are stupid, what should i call them, smart just because they are many? The fuck i'll.I gues you must be one of those fools who equates popularity with quality. Where the fuck people like you came up with that concept? Where were you brainwashed to believe such bullshit? Small wonder movies are getting worst.Numbers maketh right? No, it only maketh popular, nothing else. Sometimes, right is in the minority.And there's the other thing, in regarding Emo Trek, itseems evne the majority is not on the shit movie's side. Abraod, the movie performed way below expectations, which means the res tof the world outside USA andUk didn't liekd the mvoie much. and the world outside USA and UK is a VAST MAJORITY beyond the numbers in USA and UK. And thebn, evne in the USA and UK the thing is not that clear cut, with the Emo Trek movie being actually less sucessful then the earlier boasts form Paramout and Jar jar Abrams would lead us to believe. The reality of the matter is that Paramout is dependent of the home entertainment sales to really make a profit. Paramout itself now admits the movie underperformed, even in the american box office. That's how it is. You Emo Trek groupies hav enothing but hot air to support your fancies.Another lesson in history: once upon a time, the majority of the geeks and the audiences hated Blade Runner and Carpenter's The Thing and consdiered both bad movies. Today, both are hailed as classics and great mvoies they are. Whop were right then? thye majorioty who pissed on them when they were released, or the minority who claimed them great movies? Was the majority right then?Thus ended the lesson.And grammar nazis are assholes. Grammar is the last refuge of the argumentless.
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Take that, sister.
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If there is a God, then that is the truth.
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If one claims to have na opinion, he has an obligation to defend it. You, me, whoever. It's an important distinction to have an opinion and be opiniated. The former demands reasons, the later is merely a whim.
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To suck Michael Bay's and Jar Jar Abrams's balls.
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I just don't get that one. But my point is this: I don't call people "idiots" for liking it.
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I try to be all diplomatic UN-ambassadory, and you gotta get all Dubbyaesque.Grammar nazis aren't all that different than "handle nazis." And I know a young handle nazi who figured it out and got over it.Your points re: DAWSON'S TREK are valid. You don't need to back them up with personal attacks. Even if you think somebody is an idiot, you shouldn't call them one to their face. Of course, even an idiot doesn't want to think of him/herself as an idiot.
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If i had to list the reasons for why Jar jar Abrams' Emo Trek is the shit movie IT IS, by the end of next week you would still be readiong halfway through it. All you can came up to defend it will be the same old "i found it fun" and a repetition of the Paramout Pictures advertizement. That's the difference between the groupies like you and the detractors like myself, you got two half-baked reasons, we get an enourmous list of the things the movie fucked up... and that is not even going on nickpicking the details. Which should be nickpicked, because as the saying goes, GOD IS IN THE DETAILS.
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i'm going to get some REAL Star Trek fun.
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I agree that no one has to back up their claims about pop-culture, that's part of the beauty and disease of the internet. No one is accountable for anything they say on here.But in this case, his claims are flat out lies. Which are easily fact-checked with box office mojo, rotten tomatoes, etc.Claims about documented numbers are different than claims about quality of product.
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I'd let her put me "up against the wall."
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"fun" thing.FUN is the dumbest reason to defend anything. FUN is the reason all of pop culture is declining toward the bottom of the crapper.
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you should try it someday.Mindless fun is good,but intellectual fun is better.
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Star Wars was fun. Rocky was fun. Rambo was fun - fuck off.
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Box Office Mojo and Rotten Tomatoes don't provide any facts, either. They track box office and popularity, which are MEANINGLESS when the discussion is about quality.You do realise that the vast majority of people in the world haven't even seen DAWSON'S TREK, right? So, to use box office as some kind of proof that DAWSON'S TREK doesn't suck is the heighth of, excuse me, idiocy.
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I like what you said about opinions, and can appreciate the trek love. Enjoy the brain staling antics.
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Fuck yourself off.
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Intellectual fun is the ONLY fun woirth funning. Mindless fun is like jacking off. Sure it feels good, but aren't you embarrassed after? Isn't it a little sad?What if your Grandma walked in while you were mindless funning? You know you wouldn't be proud.
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Love that dawson's trek thing. So clever and apt.If you had actually read my first post (you know the one you responded to, without apparently reading first) you'd see that's exactly how I feel about box office, it does not equal good. But they are facts, and yes those sites do provide facts. Numbers are the supreme fact, they don't lie.
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I bet your still weeping at your copy of The Fountain, right?
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Fucking crying over here. "Fuck yourself off..." "...mindless funning..." awesome.
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Sep 16, 2009 5:24:24 PM CDT
Box office, exit polls, and critical reaction simply prove
by mattmanreturns
that a lot of people who saw the movie liked it. That doesn't automatically qualify it as a great movie. It just means it was a well received movie, and to say otherwise is simply ignoring the statistics. As you said, Sub, you don't like Dark Knight, but I'm sure you realize that the majority of people who saw it did appreciate it. However, I've heard some valid opinions from people who didn't like it. So I can't say they're wrong. But I also can't say everyone who liked it is wrong for liking it.
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Numbers mean NOTHING. Numbers REQUIRE analysis. Anything which requires analysis can be said to factually prove nothing.I'll give you an example.A ten inch penis doesn't satisfy a woman as much as a seven inch penis that knows what it is doing. Therefore, while three inches bigger, the ten inch penis is useless. It can't fulfill it's purpose.Might as well be two inches long.
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And it still entertained me in a good, wholesome way. My girlfriend did ask me "Dude, what's with the fucking lens flares?" I tried to respond but... there is no explanation.
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You can most certainly assume they might be wrong. They might be idiots. Most people are wrong about most things.I don't have to prove that to know it is true.Most people who have seen American Idol think it's great. They have never been exposed to really great music, so excuse me for not taking their opinion as valid.
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That's why we get shit like Final Destination 4.
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Keep up, man.
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Now there's an idiot I'd like to hang with.He's a lawyer so he can pick up a tab, plus his wife thinks I'm kinda cute.
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Is that really what you're saying right now? I have difficulty with this concept. I hated Final Destination 4. Am I right in that case? Is there a list of what is right and wrong to like? I'm really confused now.
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All the PBR you can imbibe, it's on me. Am I cheap too? Oh fuck yes, but PBR tastes good!
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You're a nice enough guy, but why do you give half a fuck? It's just a movie. If they'd been aiming for more than simple adventure, your seeming obsession with Abrams and Orci might make sense. But they only meant to make a lightweight picture. Don't blame it for not achieving what it never intended to achieve.
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nuances of English, do you? My original post clearly stated that my intent wasn't to insult, but that you should consider turning on the spellchecker. Yet you insisted upon being a dick and being nasty. For that, you fail at being a thinking being.
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was having an affair with the young co-worker who murdered her?
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Again. Twice if we're lucky. MAKE MORE OF THESE ORCI AND ABRAMS!!!!! JUST MAKE SURE YOU BRING THE RED MATTER!
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How ya been? You eating well? What's for dinner tonight?
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Sep 16, 2009 5:36:01 PM CDT
Could Doc Brown bring Shatner into the Next Trek?
by disney_retcond_my_std
I know it's dumb because the car was smashed on the train tracks and the flying train is filled with pissy little kids named after an overrated Author, but still. I think JJ could make it work.
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You are right. It's your world. They are your rules. The only thing that should matter to you is that you liked it.In my world, though, it was juvenile, simplistic and unrewarding. I'm not wrong, either.Now, here's where it gets complicated.If I post my reasons against it, and you can't dispute my reasons, then I'm still right, and you can't call me an idiot. But, if I call you an idiot, I'm being a bit of an idiot myself, which still doesn't disprove the fact that in my world - the only one that matters - DAWSON'S TREK still sucks.Clear as mud?I think Asi is right about DAWSON'S TREK sucking. I think he is wrong for calling you an idiot.You both are still invited over to my place for tacos. I'm showing an Akira Kurosawa film on the DVD.
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I've yet to see the latest Star Trek film, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I would like to offer my two cents concerning the idea of the percieved "need" to insert the current state of world, or for that matter, domestic affairs into the upcoming sequel's storyline. Once upon a time, movies were considered "escapist" entertainment. One could go to the theater and forget about the troubles of the real world, at least for the duration of the show. Now, unless I'm horribly misguided about the general public's fondness for the way things are going in this, the world we live in; I would have to compare the proposed insertion of these particular references into this, or any other movie as something akin to the filmakers shooting themselves in the foot. Unless, of course, they intend to have us shell out hard - earned cash so we can have someone's personal agenda shoved down our throats. If that's the case, network newscasts can satisfy that inexplicable hunger and not cost the viewer the price of a theater seat.
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As I happen to recall it quite clearly, during a time when most movies were not fun, when Rambo came out, it was indeed, fun.
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Sep 16, 2009 5:39:17 PM CDT
Denny, that's the whole of Asi's point (as I understand)
by subtitles_off
They SHOULD have been aiming higher. And, a TREK audience should have been EXPECTING higher.See "mindless funning" above.
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And in my world, Kurosawa and tacos are just right. I just watched Sanjuro last night. Good shit.
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But this talkback has been fun to read. You guys are all professional! And respect to AsimovLives (the real one) - Boborci is now too scared to take on his might!
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Good job. CSI: AICN coming this winter.
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I respectfully refute your "escapist" argument. There has never been an age prior to this one where intellectual curiosity was so vehemently rejected. "Escapism" aside, people have always yearned to have their minds opened, until now.It's the whole reason culture has advanced.
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You're a lawyer, bitch. You can afford Sierra Nevada!
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It's going to take the crime lab fellas a lot of time to get through the evidence. Wait, we're not talking about AICN?
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And once your palate is dulled a bit, we're switching over to the PBR. You won't even notice.
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Hell. I haven't seen any Kurosawa film - aside from DREAMS, which, while having moments of brilliance was ruined by...blah-blah-blah - that didn't blow my mind. Any one who claims such-and-such is awesome but has never seen a Kurosawa film is hereby determined to be an idiot, suck my dick, forever and ever, nah-nah-nahnah-nah, infinity, amen.
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Just like I'll notice your gorgeous wife eyeing my two-but-flexible-incher.That was vulgar. i apologize.
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AND NOISE AND SHIT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
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Cinematic influences include... his favorite director John Ford, whose habit of wearing dark glasses Kurosawa emulated. When Kurosawa met Ford, the American simply said, "You really like rain." Kurosawa responded, "You've really been paying attention to my films." He would later instruct Yoshio Tsuchiya, one of the actors in Seven Samurai, to retrieve the same hat Ford wore during that meeting.
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Point blank, anyone who thinks that the sequel(s) should redo any of the previous episodes or movies is a fucking idiot. If you can't come up with a decent idea in the Star Trek universe without needing to do a remake, then you don't belong on the project. Or throwing out ideas for the project. Or in the theater watching the project. You are the problem.
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kwisatzhaderach "But this talkback has been fun to read. You guys are all professional! And respect to AsimovLives (the real one) - Boborci is now too scared to take on his might!"
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OK. Name the time.This'll be fun.
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They were friendship, love and destiny. Of course, since its save the whales, Iraqi and a bunch of hot button issues then somehow there is no message in people's minds. Star Trek was a great reboot in a time when most reboots suck. Star Trek is also mindless fun at times too ie Trouble with Tribbles, most of the Q episodes and any Quark based episode of DS9. So, saying Trek fans should aim higher or the movie aimed low, I invoke the great William Shanter: "Get out your parent's basement and you, have you ever kissed a girl?"
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Someone tell AsimovLives.
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But an honest one too. And honesty is appreciated above all other considerations.
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Shatner would never have said that unless some SNL writer hadn't put it in his mouth."Great" William Shatner...
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If you can't dig it, fuck yourself right off.
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I picked up the Criterion set with both Yojimbo and Sanjuro. I'm going through all the great samurai and spaghetti westerns right now. I need to grab the blu-ray of Kagemusha (I've somehow missed that one).
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I know you're famous and handsome and up to your neck in executives begging you to launch their board game projects, but I gotta plead with ya- please no Khan, Mudd or other notable characters from the old show. You and Alex have written your crew a blank check to go anywhere you want with these characters. Make it fresh! Challenge us with some new dynamics. And maybe a little space exploration to keep us nerds invigorated. TREK got stale a long time ago because it became a soap opera about who's loving the Klingons, etc. Please... no more of that Berman stuff.
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Even without a lisp.
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I'm a NYer, so it sounds like this when I say it: "Saw-cee"
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The non-samurai Kurosawas will blow your mind, too. Don't neglect them.
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Still sounds gay.
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The boys at AIBN gave it 5 fists, so I'm giving it a looksie. So far, I love the constant noise coming off that Dodge Challenger.
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Liam Neeson as Hannibal.
Sharlto Copley as Murdoch.
Bradley Cooper as Face.
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NOOOOOOOO!!!
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You kids today don't know what you're missing.
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When he was an Illinois Nazi I could have sworn he was at least 65. Wow... RIP, Werner Klopeck.
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Thank you for renewing my faith that, as a species, we are still able to debate a subject with intelligence and civility. Your point that closed-mindedness runs rampant nowadays is, indeed, a valid one. Too many of us have an unnatural fear of things we do not understand, and therefore, we tend to shut it out. This is a sad fact, but, as far as I know, it's a trait that we are born with, and as such, to correct it, it must become "unlearned behavior" (a term which probably doesn't exist and sounds contradictory at first blush, but which makes sense if you think about it). Many excellent films have been produced through the years that have successfully dealt with the predominant issues of the time, I will admit. Grant me if you will, however, that it is well documented that motion pictures are (or once were) considered one of the most purely escapist forms of entertainment at our disposal. When I want information on current events or the state of world affairs, I choose to visit the news outlets of my choice. I interpret the information, I learn something, and hopefully I walk away with a better understanding. This I can accomplish at little-to-no cost to me. When I choose to be entertained, I prefer to seek that in film and if I'm paying a premium price for entertainment, that is what I expect. Not a sermon. I want to walk away happy, and right now, current events just don't get me there.
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than any more of the Monty Python guys.Can you imagine a world of comedy influenced by Dane Fucking Cook?Oh Jebus!
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Sep 16, 2009 6:05:21 PM CDT
AsimovLives should be banned from all star trek talkbacks
by talkbacker with no name
seriously. His shit is old, boring and the cunt doesn't even like the movie. Oh bob is back. ello Bob!
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Just kidding, we're all civil here. Do you use drugs? If not, try some. I love it!
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I sure klingons and khan have been discussed for one of the sequels right?
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Oops.
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my dissent is respectful. I don't think we are born closed-mided. in fact, i think close-mindedness is contrary to our nature.That's why I'm unceasingly amazed at how close-minded we've allowed ourselves to become.I think "escapism" has its place. I just can't bring myself to concur that people of yesteryears were concerned primarily with escapism. I truly believe they were artists, trying to advance their art. Of course, that's a generality. All of them weren't.Still, compare that to today where movie-making is a viable profession, needing no artistic integrity at all.That's what I meant.
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Nunya bidness. :)
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Except toadkillerdog and MrNiceGaius.I just hate their asses.The internet is the last frontier of free speech for western civilization.Ban no one.Even the cunts.
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I guess I better get back to work on my real job; writing my take on how the current Star Trek production is gearing up.
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that guy who said Firefly waqs gonna be the next batman movie villain.Jebus!What was that guy's handle.I have the memory of an 80-yr-old Henry Gibson.
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Nope...Not me...I avoid Batman topics...just not a big enough not a Comic Geek.
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I'm just pissed-off that I have to live in the world where such is the case.Imagine world of rock bands expanding on The Beatles ideas, as opposed to a world of rock bands imitating The Beatles.I'm an idiot. I know I am. I wouldn't even mind it, if Asi were here, if he called me an idiot.
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Not trying to get the last word here, I'm simply running out of time tonight. I will stay to read any reply you have as this has been an engaging exchange, as I mentioned. To help illustrate perhaps both our points on closed mindedness (which I have called a fear of the unknown), I will use the discovery of fire as an analogy. Now, of course I wasn't there, but I have to believe that when fire was first seen by early man he was terrified of it (my point). Once the fear subsided, curiousity won the day and led him to pursue a means by which to re-create the flame (your point perhaps?). Also, I'm in complete agreement that early filmakers wer artists, first and foremost. The had found a new box of toys and to this day have never looked back. The future of the technolgy of filmaking has never looked brighter and will hopefully continue to evolve. Let's hope that the business end (the end that allows for the politics) doesn't ruin it for all of us.
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It just brings out the grammar nazi in me. In fact, Bob Orci better watch his fucking grammar too, even though I liked Star Trek.
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...I am the furthest thing from a racist and I don't expect you to know Nelly Furtado (in a biblical sense or otherwise). I DO expect that if you were Portugueses, or even Brazilian, you'd be proud of some of your country men and women who had "made good" in the USA. Example: Iranians who are proud of Shohreh Aghdashloo, Puerto Ricans who rave about Jennifer Lopez or even Columbians and Lebanese who brag on Shakira (she's both).
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My old lady tellz me while we's watchin' JJ's TREK "They are totally riffing on Whedon's FIREFLY! Look at that pointy ship! And the camera keeps moving!" I love my girl.
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...group of Federation citizens dispute Kirk's right to be a captain, since he may not even be a Federation citizen, having been born on an escape pod rather than a Federation planet or a Starfleet starship...
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Pissing all over another TB proving again what little worth his life is. Beam yourself off this planet, preferably with a shotgun.
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I hear you, but I can't be here with you, my friend."The future of the technolgy of filmaking has never looked brighter"The future looks dismal. Three dimensional cartoons of blue cats? Good Jebus, no. NOOOOOO!!!!!I guess you can tell, technology is the least of the things I value.Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
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Just likes talking about pointy things.ButShe hates being called an old lady.So, watch it.
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Node 41253. Civil discourse as standard and feel free to ramble.
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I don't agree with his opinion on JJ TREK but the guy is a fucking true believer and I respect him for his deep love of Trek. Sure, he's heavy-handed, but this is AICN- home of the "Damn you Michael Bay!" and "(fill in the blank) raped my childhood!" Asimov is a persistent, narrowly focused beam of Trek love. If you don't like the beam hitting your eyeballs, look away. All hail Asi!
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kept 41253 on life support.He gets the Subtitles_off version of the Pulitzer.
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Seriously, how did you get in?
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Asi used to be everybody's target. Now, he's got imitators!I don't even have imitators!Hail to the Nth.
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I ain't no window-climber-inner.
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... how the fuck did that bitch get mentioned in this TB? She reminds me of every bullshit hipster chick I've ever known. They can talk a good game and even go pretty far doing so, if they find the right hook or gimmick, but ultimately, they're all dumbass hoes. (And what is it about hipster chicks and those stupid fucking Bette Page bangs? That shit ONLY looked good on... Bette Page, and that was over 50 years ago!)
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just because they don't want to admit JUNO was shit.Fucking HATE Diablo Cody and that shit!
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...not the villain from Zoolander version, I assume? Also, the Salt Sucker, The Brains-In-Incubators-with Gambling-Problems, and the "Brain? What is brain?" chicks... classic Trek goofball villains, all!
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Doesn't look like it's getting too much love...
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by copying John Hughes. Only, from the VAGINA perspective! Aren't I fabulous?Mrs. Yackbacker laughs at that shit, "Bitch, please."
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I'm speaking mainly of Ebert.
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I'd settle for a single Subtitles_On.
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Ebert's kind of a wildcard... giving Knowing 4 stars when all the other critics were preprogrammed to hate it.
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Where the fuck did you go for all those weeks?
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http://tinyurl.com/rbapcq
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Translation: Find a way to support an aspect of Obama's agenda.
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...ain't happening. Too much time has elapsed since it was on. I thought the original was great, but who the fuck remembers Samurai Jack anymore? Shit, Cartoon Network isn't even Cartoon Network anymore. The kids today turn on "CN" and watch fucking Andrew WK (...the fuck?!!?) destroy old cars in supposedly-amusing ways.
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He "praised" it in one of his Toronto Film Festival blogs. At the same time, he rebuked it.He's turned into a kind-of Fat Harry like that.
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As if people who expected "morality" to really stand for something like morality were just terrorist-lovers.PleaseAnybody?Can I call an idiot an idiot?
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Who in there right mind names their kid 'Diablo'?
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somewhere where I felt safe.We had lots of tacos and watched Kurosawa movies, and when somebody said they liked Nolan's Batman, I smacked them across their face.But, we missed you, too.
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you know Diablo's real name is Courtney.
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And now Star Trek is completely ripping him off. They should have just let him write and direct this new version of Trek.
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Oh. Is that the BSG remake dude?God, I gave in on that after so many smart people I liked told me I should have. What fucking crap that was!
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Seriously.If I evcer get HopOn.com off the ground, I'll suck savagedave to contribute.I'll just wipe the gunk off my chin and ask him to spare me the Bale-loving bullshit."Didn't I suck you good enough?""Yeah, but.""No yeah-buts! You signed a contract!""Bale recognizes no contracts.""Bale can suck my brother's dick,
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SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTING BOLTS CHILDREN OF OLYMPUS!!! STRIKE DOWN THY SKANKS WHO HANG OUT IN SILVERLAKE AND READ US WEEKLY WHILE DECIDING WHAT NEW TAT THEY'LL GET!!!
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The real ones are in tune with a new way of making an "Oh" face.Diablo Cody was never a hipster chick.Except to wankers who wouldn't know "hipster" if they threw it out and, therefore, couldn't sit on a toilet.
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...I SUDDENLY NEW WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO HAVE YOUR CHILD RAPED IN THE ASSHOLE."
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if somebody comes in here and says Batman oughta anal-rape terrorists, I'm gone forever.
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Sep 16, 2009 7:22:44 PM CDT
Yeah, ILL-ADVISED WAR and TORTURE controversy, so RELEVANT, so..
by christonomist
...2004.
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..A SHALLOW PRICK WHO WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR A BUCK... THAT PRICK."
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the US military stopped torturing in 2004.Hehehehe.We're heroes, you fuck! We can do whatever we want! We sacrifice for your right to disagree! But, if you disagree, we'll call you a fuckwit. See how it works?
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No one has missed you more than I.
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Sep 16, 2009 7:44:58 PM CDT
BOBORCI AND ASIMOVLIVES ARE THE SAME PERSON!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
They're NEVER on a talkback at the same time! It's some sort of Jekyll and Hyde thing!
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Tonight will be 8% Malt Liquor & "The 'Burbs" night. Off to heaven goes 'My Brother, The Doctor'.
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He's a goddamn legend.
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And I never heard of him?Damn.
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What about all those little boys he kept in Michael jackson's basement?
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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU PONCE.
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So yeah, I'll chance making an ass outta myself. Shit, I do that every time I open my mouth. Take a chance on making an ass out of myself, not shit. DAMMIT!
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...FOR AGREEING TO BE A PART OF THE ABORTION THAT WAS THE NEW TREK. TOMORROW I MAY DO A LITTLE ASS-TO-MOUTH AS A TOPPER. THAT'LL TEACH HER TO FUCK WITH MY LEGACY."
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I just wanted to find a way to work in the phrase "my brother the doctor", and that was what lept to mind.
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...WHEN THE CHAIR MOVES BY ITSELF AND YOUNG & HUNG SPOCK SAYS "FASCINATING." FUCK ME, BUT THAT'S SOME STELLAR GODAMN WRITING RIGHT THERE. FUCKING HAD TEARS IN ME EYES I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD. CHRIST ON A BIKE.
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ZOE SALDANA'S PRETTY LITTLE ASSHOLE IN THE SEQUEL? BECAUSE THAT CUTE LITTLE SPIDER BUTTON IS JUST ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD GET ME INTO THE CINEMA TO SEE ANOTHER OF ORCI'S FAILED SCIFI MASTURBATION ATTEMPTS.
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Sep 16, 2009 8:08:50 PM CDT
ALL THE HATERS & UGLY WOMEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM......
by gibsonusa returns
...AND ALL THE FINE LOOKING WOMEN ON THIS SIDE!
To paraphrase James Carter from Rush Hour 2. Star Trek was one of the best movies of the yr. The movieworld is better with it. -
Nice obit at the L.A. Times site (latimes dot com.) Just checked out his IMDB credits ... wow, 135 roles and then some. F Troop, Bewitched, Laugh-In, Nashville, Wonder Woman, Blues Brothers, Deep Space Nine, Magnolia, King of the Hill ... I seem to remember him from at least one episode of ST:TOS but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me.
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Just a dude who typed random shit in all caps all day long in multiple TB's, like he had no job, no life and no hope. You could literally log in at night see Titbag posting, then go to work next day and log on and he would still be posting as he had all night long. It was pathetic, but prolific.
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Pure legend.
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I'm sure I've seen him in other things, in fact, I think he's been on Star Trek: Next Gen according to IMDB, but I always remember his heartfelt appeal for the dead in Kentucky Fried Movie. How ironic. Now, he is the one that needs our help. ;-)RIP~Henry Gibson.
Now, for Star Trek 2(!): The Wrath of Spock(I)~! The reboot was supposed to be the lazy way of ignoring timelines, continuity, and all that b.s. to get to have a "young" Kirk & Co. ripping up the Galaxy a la Star Wars. Since, ultimately, Star Trek is a corporate product, I'm not holding my breath for some truly, outlandish mind-bending sci-fi-fantasy... It'll be more of the same with maybe some uber bad alien threat not already mentioned. The boldest thing to do, I think, would be set up a story where Kirk has to makes some damn hard choices, perhaps fighting with some alien race over some technological mcguffin gamechanger, with the fall out creating a new nemisis, long time foe who isn't dispatched at the end of the movie, but saved for a latter installment. Spock Prime Must Die! He's a threat, both technologically and intelligence-wise, even if by his very existence he has changed the future's course. I suggest maybe even Kirk or Spock will have to be the one to kill him to prevent a Galactic War! Will we discover Red Matter only works in the Prime Universe? If Prime Spock was to somehow return to his universe, he'd still have some angry Romulans after his eldery ass!
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Some of us like that tho. I might very well be the only one who sees the beauty in Titbag's poetry, but that just puts me in rarified territory then I suppose.
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in the Blues Brothers. RIP
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Sep 16, 2009 8:19:06 PM CDT
BSB, like Media Messiah was only one who liked choclatewoman?
by toadkillerdog
To each their own
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Her fisting rights are legend too!!!
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entitled "Ode to Puffies". That's how goddamn legend he is to me. It's sick.
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And I think Media Messiah, while dangerously lacking oxygen to the brain, is a laugh riot too. Chocolatewoman... that was just a foul persona.
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Gotta get that typo right.
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Sep 16, 2009 8:31:48 PM CDT
Wha the tits? A double post? I've been posting here for years!
by yackbacker
I never do that shit. Fuck you firefoxfucker.
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The federation set up a new vulcan homeland on a planed populated with Romulan separatists.
The Vulcans wage a bloody and cruel war against the Romulans, killing them with modern federation supplied weaponry, expanding the boarders of their city while killing romulan babies etc.
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Double poster.HA!
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We will be legion!!!
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Love it.
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and you believe they meant it, it's almost an admission that they didn't know what the fuck they were doing trying to re-imaginate STAR TREK.Fuck 'em.Solved.
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However in all seriousness, I do think he suffers - in the real world, for his conspiracy insanity. I feel sorry for him. Should not laugh at the afflicted, but damn he says some whacked out shit!
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That's the gay Madonna tunes boomin' over the speakers.Yeah!Let it fly, that flag!Whut?
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I've spent enough time here, like you, to appreciate a complete bugnuts crazy bastard making chaos on these TBs. It's necessary- like a cleansing forest fire. You need chaos at AICN. Bale Bless James Cameron's AVATAR... this year's ongoing TB war.
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Space battles. Lots of space battles.
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Batman and James Bond are two different things.
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And went back in time as BobOrciPrime to defend himself against the insult of being called chicken!
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I mean really, anyone who defends that tripe has no business lecturing us about movie quality.
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Beyonce had da best video o' all time.
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TFM requires a footnote.
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Joining the Kurosawa chat late.
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As in EP1.
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Don't tell me Nolan improved on the "jail cell interrogation" unless you've seen HIGH AND LOW (a.k.a. Heaven and Hell).
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They should also make it not stupid.
Some of the preposterous nonsense in this film included "Dr. McCoy" getting the suspended from duty Kirk onboard the Enterprise by insisting he's his very sick patient. Um, sir, the Academy infirmary is down that elevator to the right.
Kirk's hands soon swollen to incredibly fake proportions with no side effects after the effect is counteracted.
Spock launching Kirk out of the ship to an inhospitable ice planet rather than merely throwing him in the brig, so he can conveniently meet the original universe's Mr. Spock who's also been marooned there, and then they build a fire made of wood in the ice!
This after escaping two giant reptilian creatures in the snow in a horrible homage to The Phantom Menace.
And this after an eight year old Kirk who obviously couldn't see over the dash nor reach the pedals "drove" his step-father's car over a cliff incredibly managed to not only open the door but leap out and defy physics(?) by clawing his way to a stop from approximately 50 MPH. It was so Thelma & Louise, and even more Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. No mention why 200 years from now Beastie Boys is still popular, at least with eight year olds.
And the marooning was after him a "Sulu" played meteor and managed to ignore the friction that comes from entering an atmosphere by simply wearing a spacesuit AND THEN at apparently extreme altitudes suffered no difficulty breathing or keeping from freezing in the open air on top of the mining tool.
Then it gets stupid.
Why can't Nero, who's a master of time travel simply go back to before Spock killed his family and warn Spock that his experiment/rescue plan is flawed, and do that over and over again until they work out a way to prevent the deaths? Wouldn't that be a more effective use of his incredible ability. Or if the accident was inevitable, why not simply go back, rescue his wife and family, take them aboard his spaceship, and live happily ever after? Unless that would leave another Nero who came back to look for his family but they'd already been taken. With all this time travel going on you'd think the universe would be constantly interfered with? There could be an infinite number of alternate Neros time traveling and dimension hopping all over existence.
...I failed to notice earlier how this movie ripped off Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan in the most blatant fashion. Instead of revenge against Kirk, this fellow wanted revenge against Spock, he commanded a stolen vehicle, had no respect for authority, utilized a planet destroying weapon and somehow, someway managed to acquire the exact same mind-controlling insects Khan said were native to the planet he was abandoned on, Seti Alpha Eight. When he presented that insect was really where this film jumped the shark. -
Really?Jebus!I love that crazy fucker, but.TPMWTF?
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as placed the prosthetic ears before Leonard, a half cocked smile on his face while behind them the images continued to stream in front of Nimoys eyes...Glendale, the girl, the drugs, the dong, the dog...; captured by the men who now were blackmailing him into yet another trip where he swore to never go again. "God Damn you both", Leonard finally spoke, "in the name of god turn that shit off!" he spat, voice raising. Looking back on the events, he should have realized, should have been smarter...the alarms should have gone off when he saw the script, read the "jokes"; yes...he should have known he was only wanted for the cache of having Leonard Nimoys blessing...so weak was the writing. "Like that?" Orci asked, voice full of confidence; "A Little trick Micheal taught me back during the first Transformers movie. Awww...Don't feel bad leonard..this is nothing...you should see Mikeys Megan Video...makes you look like a fucking choir boy"..JJ interupted..."Look Leonard" JJ spoke, "It is nothing personal...I love you...really...but you have to understand, 'We' are under alot of pressure now that this thing has legs...and quite frankly...well...we have nothing; Thats right.. nada...we are outta gas on this one, if we ever had any to begin with..". "Well...I wouldn't say outta gas exactly" replied Bob, "Lets just say it makes my job A LOT easier if I can put 'Spock', the REAL Spock onscreen yet again...it helps bring in the over 45 demo....and people don't give a fuck about plot holes or BS SCI-FI mumbio jumbo when we have "SPOCK" on the screen...well, maybe those fucks over at AICN..but I can handle them" Leonard looked up into Orci's cold eyes..."You are a bastard Bob" Nimoy spat out..."you USED me..lied to me, and this...this betrayal...I hope you rot in Hell" the master thespian swore. "I'm sure you do...but you've been in this town long enough OLD MAN, you know how it works...and you will put on the FUCKING ears one...more...time or this fucker goes straight to youtube", "You hear me...Ears..one more time." Leonard snatched the ears from JJs monument to excess...squeezed them in his hands, his eyes a fire of hatred.."The video....it will be destroyed?"..."Of course" cooed JJ, "I swear...the minute your part is shot..THE MINUTE..I swear" Nimoy then held Orci in his gaze..."and you...you worthless mediocrity...what promise can I get from you?". Orci looked at Nimoy...his dead eyes meeting the elder actors..."You can't...Leonard...you can't." Orci held his glaze...tossing a thin work script at him..."now...I suggest you practice you fart expression...and stop crushin your ears.....Spock". Leonard got up to leave...."I won't forget this"...JJ replied, "Sure you will Leonard...the minute the first check hits the bank..you'll thank us for this..." And Leonard walked out...his mind set on revenge...he was young again, his hate a fountain of youth...JJ and Bob had unleashed the mazziḳim.
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What was the name of that crazy Scotsman who threatened us all... wait, wasn't that his name? Scotsman? Were he and Titbag the same person? Was the cop who claimed he could find everyone of us and beat the shit out of us the same person? Damn these trolls run together sometime.
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Puff the Magic Dragon, Mary... puff in peace.
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had one a da best videos o' all time!
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Who's gonna change your diapers, babies?
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Also known as Titbag (although I always called him Nonce). Glad to see he finally realised his noncey nature.
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Jay Leno lives.
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This is 100 times better comedy than anything I've watched on TV in years.
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Yummy.
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And for some reason, Media Messiah, that crazy nut, thinks that was just her comic schtick.
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It was HIS way of goading you. Don't take it personally. And if you are a racist, double-score, fuck that black bitch, right?
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is the StarTrekback's equivalent of the Backpedalback's water_shit.
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Fucking transvestites. You can't trust them.
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She got banned before I could check, but someone told me about it. I think all I ever did was call her crazy or an idiot or something harmless like that.
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"Damn you..." like he did to General Koord on board the Enterprise-A's bridge in STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER (1989). (phew, I need a smoke)
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I really think they gotta have Shatner do at least a cameo in the sequel. I understand he's a douche but I was still shocked real trek fans didn't freak out more over that.
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AsimovLives and I are real TREK fans and we've disagreed about a bunch of shit. But to answer your rhetorical question, Shatner is not God. He was once a mannnnnnnnn onnnnnnceeee a maaaaannnnnnnnnn!!!!
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knows, I think, that TREK is about far-much-more than whiny tweenies blowing shit up good.
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My brothers & I used to throw bricks at him when we were kids.
He was maybe in his 30's & he used to walk past (dressed up as Spock), on his way to some kind of star trek wankers club, held at the local YMCA.
I got into the next generation & subsequently star trek a while later, so I feel kinda bad for throwing bricks at him. But it's ultimately his fault. He'd walk the same way every time, knowing we'd be hiding & ready to throw stuff.
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The man is a master of self-deprecating humor. Watch "Free Enterprise" and delight in his genius.
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And well, I like balls.
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reading about Medicare Part D. I find public health care options fascinating.
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You're just rationalizing.Find that merfer and give him a hug.Until you can do that, The Yankees can't win a penant.You wanna be responsible for the disappointment of America's city?Didn't think so.
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We all like balls.Don't mean we gotta suck'em.Tell your pretty lady I don't have any o' dose hang-ups.
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If so, what's she like? How did you meet? Gimme all the deets!!!!!
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There is no controversy around torture. Those who support it and practice it are stupid and evil and are not the kind of people who would ever watch anything Star Trek. The modern day issues that Star Trek fans wrestle with are how to justify paying $10.50 ($9.75 matinee) for a movie that will be on Netflix in 6 months.
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Sep 16, 2009 9:31:24 PM CDT
"Star Trek had what was probably THE worst script of any blockbu
by voice o. reason
Transformers 2 and G.I. Joe beg to differ.
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And a penis that does tricks!Love that woman!
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unfortunately, he ain't the boss o' America.
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Sep 16, 2009 9:35:44 PM CDT
WHERE'S Boborci? CREEPYTHINMAN NEEDS TO FEEEEEEED!!!
by carlthormark1978
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It always has. Only dipshits say differently.Don't blame me - I didn't ask to be born here, in The Land of the Liars.
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I think you have the right tone/mentality to touch women...
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Only a few of them have enjoyed it.
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Sep 16, 2009 9:41:26 PM CDT
WITH FADING EYES SHE WHISPERED GENTLY “I’LL SEE YOU IN HELL”……….
by carlthormark1978
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I don't even know what "The Yankees can't win a penant" even means. Is that some kind of baseball thing or something? I'm from England, the land of the original liars.
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Sep 16, 2009 9:42:31 PM CDT
Subs, you're basically admitting that you're Burt Reynolds
by yackbacker
Which is cool. I'm a big fan, sir.
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I mean, if it's going to be about modern day issues, they'll want a sexy angle. Meanwhile the rest of the crew can be using Starfleet taxpayer money run assorted other scams...
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Freedom is in peril, defend it with all your might!
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id've never fucked Dinah Shore.WTF?!!?
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It wasn't even cool by 70s standards.
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"Out of the Blue"If you don't know, you're a noob.
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Hi Borci, this will sound like a joke, but this is serious. The answer to this question will give valuable insights into your IQ level & provide the rest of us with a pretty good picture of your general mental state.
So here's the question..
Which hand do you use to wipe your arse? Left or right? Like I said, I know it sounds silly, but just humour me. Which is it, left or right?
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What do you guys do on July 4th anyways? Just curious.
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ever figgered out the Dinah Shore shit.
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front to back or otherwise?
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In fact, if you go to London, you'll be hard pressed to find an English person. We're all leaving & everyone else is coming in.
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If so, that means I have relatives there, which would be really fucking cool.
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Sep 16, 2009 9:55:09 PM CDT
Cpt. Kirk wasn't born on Earth, he can't be Starship Captain!
by ganymede3010
He was born in space not on the Planet Earth. And these tree hugging space liberals claim that his birth certificate was in the possession of George Kirk when his ship incinerated. How convenient. I refuse to take orders from an illegitimate Starship Captain.
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Peeps say I can't disagree with a boy and still love on them. Can you please correct dem dumb merfers?
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With that accent, you can pretty much get laid anywhere in the world. You should all fucking thank Ian Fleming for making you bastards sexy. You could literally take all of our best American women from us. In a week. While we're sleping.
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I'd like that merfering place. Bless the Jews.
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that's their problem, not yours. Raise up your heart, all will come right.
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You sexually deviant artist! How you been?
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Name one other ethnicity that'd put up with all that shit.Republicans would crap on their babies. And then tell liberals they were to blame for baby feces mouth.
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The Jews have owned London for centuries. Or most of it. You've probably got tons of relatives there.
Nah, I don't care about immigrants etc as much as others do. Each to their own etc. But it is true that our country's being run into the ground by shit politicians. They should have tourist commercials.."Vist Britain, Get mugged outside Buckingham Palace..getb knifed by a smackhead at stonehenge..
Anyone with money or a chance to go abroad, leaves. Meanwhile we've got a massive intake of foreigners. Soon it'll just be foriegners & "chavs" left. -
Jebus fucking chrissy!
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That's what the TB is for...and I I wanted to do my part. And, I Just might try my hand at writing...can't be that hard judging by what I've seen on the screen this last year.However, I'm really bad at kissing ass....and I don't suck cock...so maybe Hollywood isn't the place for me.
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a black egomaniac bum rushing a stage, grabbing the mic, stealing a young first timers moment, sharing his (who fucking cares) opinion, and showing the world just what a poor impulse control, ADD, bi-polar fucking moron he is?
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Why can't they fucking send all the American dimwits packing?Jebus!
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He doesn't even have to speak. He just raises an eyebrow & they're gagging for it.
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Star Trek was maximum tits and everything film-making should represent.
Fuck you loudly Assimov and Kwitz Shitz, you tired cunts wouldn't know entertainment if it slapped your deflated sacks. Your taste in film is SHIT. Your pedantic, obtuse, irrelevant faux-insights on what constitutes high-brow entertainment is SHIT. Assimov you pedestriant marginally douche like appendage, you bag my groceries cocksucker.
Star Trek fucking destroyed expectations magnificently and you three ass chunk vomit spewing turds know it, so own it. Bow before Trek's balls and Kirks bloated swollen hands you patsy wanks. -
Sep 16, 2009 10:07:54 PM CDT
Dark Shite, there are Jews and then there are Rothschilds
by yackbacker
I separate the two, because to be honest, the Rothschilds are in a league entirely of their own. As a shit-kicking serf Jew, I don't even rate in their eyes.
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I know...I didn't spend 10 months polishing it like you did Trek...in fact it took my less than 30 minutes total, in between phone calls and BBQ'ing Chicken and drinking beer....but i hope you can tell it was written with the best intentions, with respect and much love...
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Just sose you know.Even a catholic boy knows shit from shinola.
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Exterminate and deeeeeestrooooy.
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It will eventually sell itself. You've got the chops, homey. Read Script Shadow's website, you'd be amazed at the piles of shit ou there.
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I didn't mean that in an Anti-semitic way (or however it's spelled). It's just true. There isn't much in the way of jew bashing in the U.K. We don't care.
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You lying sack of shit, I saw your hands in your crotch when Sylar was on screen at that 7 o'clock showing, you deceitful machiavellian sumbitch.
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It's been delicious! Thanks for keeping it lively.
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I'm not sure Yackie tells the truth.I think the corporate merfers make everything smell bad. That doesn't mean I ain't rooting for ya.
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You're going to ruin Star Trek (again). The worst Trek episodes were sermons (see NG which devolved into a shitty soap opera), especially from moonbat, Soderberg, conspiracy types. They dealt with HUMAN issues, not the advancing of socialist propogandist arguments for "benevolent" fascism (and when you say there is no such thing; for once you'll be right. There isn't.)
Thanks for nothing. -
only a cunt types shit when somebody ain't present.
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my baby boy
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That's the man that completely redefined Trek. Star Trek VI is still one of my favorites and it was very topical. So this could work, but only if there's more lens flares. I didn't even know what a damn lens flare was until someone pointed them out. Now when I see this movie I can't see anything but those damn lens flares.
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Had nothing to do with being relevant to the times. They fucked up the characterisation.
There was no camerarderie, (granted some of them weren't supposed to know each other well, but that was because they wrote it that way), no tension between the good guys & the villain & Kirk spent the entire movie being a total cock & then got rewarded for it with a job that none of his superiors would be happy to let him have.
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We already had one that dealt with terrorism, the patriot act, etc. It was called The Dark Knight
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Can suck my dick.I refuse to be shackled to that shit.Call me a communist. I don't fucking care.
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Agreed. And it was brilliant.
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their should be an awesome group of Klingons called Blingons
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Why do I care how Kirk would solve a shitty economy, political correctness, housing markets, corrupt companies asking for bail outs or steroids in MLB. Boring! Aren't we bombarded enough with this drivel already? If they are going to go that route then let Oliver Stone direct the next one and make it a snoozefest.
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Almost makes me respect Mikey Bay.
"This is an open letter to all Michael Bay fans. We are three crew members that have worked with Michael for the past ten years. Last week we read the terrible article with inflammatory, truly trashing quotes by the Ms. Fox about Michael Bay. This letter is to set a few things straight.
Yes, Megan has great eyes, a tight stomach we spray with glycerin, and an awful silly Marilyn Monroe tattoo plastered on her arm that we cover up to keep the moms happy.
Michael found this shy, inexperienced girl, plucked her out of total obscurity thus giving her the biggest shot of any young actresses' life. He told everyone around to just trust him on his choice. He granted her the starring role in Transformers, a franchise that forever changed her life; she became one of the most googled and oogled women on earth. She was famous! She was the next Angelina Jolie, hooray! Wait a minute, two of us worked with Angelina - second thought - she's no Angelina. You see, Angelia is a professional.
We know this quite intimately because we've had the tedious experience of working with the dumb-as-a-rock Megan Fox on both Transformers movies. We've spent a total of 12 months on set making these two movies.
We are in different departments; we can't give our names because sadly doing so in Hollywood could lead to being banished from future Paramount work. One of us touches Megan's panties, the other has the often shitty job of pulling Ms. Sour pants out of her trailer, while another is near the Panaflex camera that helps to memorialize the valley girl on film.
Megan has the press fooled. When we read those magazines we wish we worked with that woman. Megan knows how to work her smile for the press. Those writers should try being on set for two movies, sadly she never smiles. The cast, crew and director make Transformers a really fun and energetic set. We've traveled around the world together, so we have never understood why Megan was always such - the grump of the set?
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When facing the press, Megan is the queen of talking trailer trash and posing like a porn star. And yes we've had the unbearable time of watching her try to act on set, and yes, it's very cringe-able. So maybe, being a porn star in the future might be a good career option. But make-up beware, she has a paragraph tattooed to her backside (probably due her rotten childhood) easily another 45 minutes in the chair!
So when the three of us caught wind of Ms Fox, pontificating yet again in some publication (like she actually has something interesting to say) blabbing her trash mouth about a director whom we three have grown to really like. She compared working with Michael, to "working with Hitler". We actually don't think she knows who Hitler is by the way. But we wondered how she doesn't realize what a disgusting, fully uneducated comment this was? Well, here let's get some facts straight.
Say what you want about Michael - yes at times he can be hard, but he's also fun, and he challenges everyone for a reason - he simply wants people to bring their 'A' game. He comes very prepared, knows exactly what he wants, involves the crew and expects everyone to follow through with his or her best, and that includes the actors. He's one of the hardest working directors out there.
He gets the best from his crews, many of whom have worked with him for 15 years. And yes, he's loyal, one of the few directors we've encountered who lowered his fee by millions to keep Transformers in the United States and California, so he could work with his own crew.
Megan says that Transformers was an unsafe set? Come on Megan, we know it is a bit more strenuous then the playground at the trailer park, but you don't insult one of the very best stunt and physical effects teams in the business! Not one person got hurt!
And who is the real Megan Fox? She is very different than the academy nominee and winning actors we've all worked around. She's as about ungracious a person as you can ever fathom. She shows little interest in the crew members around her. We work to make her look good in every way, but she's absolutely never appreciative of anyone's hard work. Never a thank you. All the crewmembers have stopped saying hi to Ms. Princess because she never says hello back. It gets tiring. Many think she just really hates the process of being an actress.
Megan has been late to the sets many times. She goes through the motions that make her exude this sense of misery. We've heard the A.D's piped over the radio that Megan won't walk from her trailer until John Turturro walks first! John's done seventy-five movies and she's made two!
Never expect Megan to attend any of the 15 or so crew parties like all the other actors have. And then there's the classless night she blew off The Royal Prince of Jordan who made a special dinner for all the actors. She doesn't know that one of the grips daughters wanted to visit their daddy's work to meet Megan, but he wouldn't let them come because he told them "she is not nice."
The press certainly doesn't know her most famous line. On our first day in Egypt, the Egyptian government wouldn't let us shoot because of a permit problem as the actors got ready in make up at the Four Seasons Hotel. Michael tried to make the best of it; he wanted to take the cast and crew on a private tour of the famous Giza pyramids. God hold us witness, Megan said, "I can't believe Michael is fucking forcing us to go to the fucking pyramids!" I guess this is the "Hitler guy" she is referring to.
So this is the Megan Fox you don't get to see. Maybe she will learn, but we figure if she can sling insults, then she can take them too. Megan really is a thankless, classless, graceless, and shall we say unfriendly bitch. It's sad how fame can twist people, and even sadder that young girls look up to her. If only they knew who they're really looking up to.
But 'Fame' is fleeting. We, being behind the scenes
, seen em' come and go. Hopefully Michael will have Megatron squish her character in the first ten minutes of Transformers 3. We can tell you that will make the crew happy!"
-Loyal Transformers Crew
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/13/megan-fox-branded-dumb-as_n_285005.html -
You ever wondered why anybody'd give a shit about what you cared for? You're shit stinks, foo.
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but we've already established I'm a fucktard that can't do grammar right.
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please extend to them my kudos.
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too many words.
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Please fuck me. Please.
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They're only one of the seven wonders of the ancient world for fuck's sake.
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Sep 16, 2009 11:32:32 PM CDT
You know what....I'm gonna give these guys the benedit of the do
by jobacca
I have ripped these two new assholes on numerous occasions...HOWEVER...Star Trek was really good and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I also picked up FRINGE season 1 and am liking that as well. I'm starting to think that a lot of the problems I had with Transformers 1 was more of a Michael Bay/Don Murphy problem than anything having to do with these two guys and the script they wrote. for what its worth,I'll be picking up Star Trek on DVD and am curious to see where they go in the sequel(just please dont let it be Khan escaping from Space-Gitmo)
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But it's a good read.
And Lockes, seriously - aim higher than a skank. Have some self respect. -
Do you have any idea what a skank would do to your penis?Dammit, dumbass. Gotta protect the junk.
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But that's as intimate as we'd get.
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Only those of us that'd never fucked a real girl would. ButWhatever.
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DAMN YOU MEGAN FOX!
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throughout the galaxy
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LIKE WE WOULDN'T BANG HER HARD ON THAT BIKE!!!
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Hollywood in a nutshell, folks. Please hold your applause.
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Modern-day issues are for TV. This is a movie. If you want to explore issues, start a new TV show.
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bla bla bla
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Sep 16, 2009 11:57:30 PM CDT
wow star trek 2009 was so entertaining that i completely
by aliendragqueen
forgot that vulcan blew up.
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Last time i read your delirious drivel you were commenting on how wonderful Dogville was...your warped idea of what is 'intelligent' obviously includes people ludicrously reaching for invisible door knobs whilst delivering a lame heavy handed dialogue about imperialism.
The issue is also about what is ENTERTAINING you stupid prick. Thats THE bit you dont get your head is so clouded by how wonderful you dream your own opinion is.
and 'reverse pretentiousness'..
you really are a complete dickhead.
Your opinion of anything is utterly worthless because you have so much shit spinning in your head about what constitutes 'good' cinema you cant watch what is in front of you without analyzing it with your studded butt plug. -
Sep 17, 2009 12:06:39 AM CDT
Just get those stupid pluming pips out of the engine room
by greatczarsghost
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you stupid cunt..
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But thankfully, Trek was never really about cool sets. The story held together great. And the sets for the different planet locations, etc, and the Narada were great.
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Sep 17, 2009 12:12:04 AM CDT
There will be very little politics. Idiot conservatives buy tick
by flim springfield
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Thanks for pointing out more of the what the fucks in Star Trek 'O9... I'm sure defenders could try to explain them away. Only thing is, Nero wasn't a Time Lord/Master whatever. He didn't have control over the "when" as far as I recall. Not that it matters much to me. Nero was about as interesting, maybe less, than an old Red Shirt from TOS. Hell, they could have just had a dude in a Darth Vader like suit and got more mileage. ;-)
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That's what J.J. and Boborci should be concerned about. This and only this.
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I can't tell you how many people I spoke with that are clamoring for that next time. It was the only thing I heard in the lobby when I was leaving the Village Theater in Westwood after seeing it last May.
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The new ST will be about the fight for Healthcare coverage for ALL! Bortas dib MUST be covered under a standard policy!
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stays intact for the entire movie?
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btw if you didn't read the original story, you missed the part where Damon Lideloff is also on board for this one - or maybe you knew that already?
I for one am much happier about the solidity of the script now...
-although McCoy better not hand Kirk a pair of antique reading glasses to give to himself as a birthday present! -
Fucking cry me river with this fucking Iraq shit. I go to movies to escape. Especially movies involving green alien women and pointy-eared half human/half vulcans. Do I really need to hear AGAIN how much Bush sucked in movie allegory form? It's so boring. Move on. The Messiah will save us, we should be happy.
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You didn't like the sets? I was pretty glad that they filmed it in a brewery because I saw it in a theater where they served beer. So every time they showed the engine room, I had my mom order me a beer.
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The Dark Knight is a great movie regardless of it's box office. The movie could had flopped miserably at the box office, and it would still be a good movie. Because of it's intrinsic qualities. That's what makes a movie good or bad. Box office is tosh.
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One could argue that if a movie does have big box office, it's because it reaches out to a HUGE segment of the public. Small box office means not much audience.
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Thanks for the support. Yet, you over-estimate my love for ST. In fact, i'm not a trekkie, and throughout the years, i have mocked trekkies and even Star Trek a lot. But i have always respected it as well, always saw it as a smart show with some occasional hillarious goofiness.No, the major, most important reason why i attack Abram's Scurvy Trek so much is simply because it's a very bad movie beyond aceptable. That's the major reasons. I guess if i had seen transformers 2, that might had been my preferable target, but i decided not to watch that shit after i had to endure the first movie's retarded mess. So, it's Scurvy Trek then. and yes, i do like the TOS, not exactly love, but i like it well enough not to piss on it's good name and reputation by hailing a shit movie that pisses and craps on it's good name for the sake of a quick buck.
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Seriously better written than half the crap on some of the news sites. Dan Brown needs to spend some time with you.
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I'm yet to see anything with her, specially interviews, where she doesn't come across as an idiotic parrot. And she's not quite much of an actress either. Maybe Jar Jar will cast her as Nurse Chapel in the nexy Scurvy Trek bullshit movie of his.
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It means something is popular thats it.
Maybe you could say that given TF2's box office success we (human race) are all retards/sheep, that think like a 12 year old boy. But then again Dark Knight did wonders and it was a critical success as well. Geeks of course stopped liking it after it became too popular, which is a word of warning to District 9. -
If you are a movie geek, you give a fuck. If you are a sports fan, you give a fuck if your team is being mislead and misguided and makes crass mistakes that robs them of a cup. Same thing with movies, shit movies matters as much, if not more,then the good ones. Specially a shit movie like Scurvy Trek which might iniciate a trend. We as geeks have this much a responsability, to police the shit and hail the good stuff that falls bewteen the cracks. Being a movie geek is not just all perks.
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Hi Bob (in my best Nero voice).
If you're lurking ('cause Giod knows you love a good lurk), I asked you something very important earlier & have yet to recieve a reply. It went like this..
Hi Borci, this will sound like a joke, but this is serious. The answer to this question will give valuable insights into your IQ level & provide the rest of us with a pretty good picture of your general mental state. So here's the question..
Which hand do you use to wipe your arse? Left or right? Like I said, I know it sounds silly, but just humour me. Which is it, left or right?
I shall eagerly await your reply.
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If you felt unnecessary and harshly insulted by my post and you think it was out of context, then i appologise. I'll take your future posts with much more care and attention, to avoid useless misunderstandings. How's that for thinking, friend?
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Megan Fox, is hot, thats why Bay hired her, she is a complete bimbo, so ??
It's a Michael Bay movie, its about aesthetics. We aren't talking about about a David Finch movie.
And one of them touched her panties, and mentioned it in a letter, sad sad little men. Clearly none of them are getting any action, all three drunkingly tried and failed to get some Fox action. -
I want to ask you some questions about the Jar Jar Abrams movie, and i'd liek to see how you will rationalize the idioticies that's on it. It will be just a few questions, but they are very indicative of the mind and care the filmmakers took when they made that crappy movie.
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with them.
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Which ever one you like to shout a holla to. I only see movies that make 100 million on opening weekend. That usually means they are good.
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Mega fox was nice to the crew. I heard she gave them 2 thumbs up.
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Usual coke binge is going a little longer tonight. Probably got more money to snort these days.
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c) none of the above, he has an army of midgets that do things for him, like wipe his butt.
You know lifestyle of the rich and famous, midget helpers, shooting poor people on the weekends, snorting cocaine of underage boys. Bob has it all!!! -
Do you watch a lot of Law and Order?
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My major problem with Matty is not that he likes Scurvy Trek (though that's hardly an endorsement), but that he's a grammar nazi. Now that's evil! Him liking a stupid movie is... well, how was it that was said in that movie? Stupid is as stupid does? I'm being too harsh, of course, since there's some smart some good guys i hav e known here who also made the mistake in liking Scurvy Trek. And everybody who liked the fucking movie, be they smart or dumb, they do the same thing: they just didn't think much about it, they have all this blind acceptance, like lemmings, or deers staring at headlights. If i had to have a mental picture of a person who likes Scurvy Trek, that's it, a deer staring at a car's headlights without understanding what is going on and why it's bad to keep staring instead of moving to the side. Of course, the other image is the zombies from a Romero's Dead movie, but that can be too harsh... sometimes. Sometimes, it's spot on.
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I say it last 6 episodes. Anyone care to wager?
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To both of the above! As we speak he's riding on the back of an elephant, hunting small Indian boys for his evening's binge.
I still hope for an answer from him though. I know an age old technique which allows me to determine a person's IQ level with that question. -
Am sure you have been asked this question before, but you do realise that Trek in its pre JJ form was pretty much dead ?
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Fuck me, he's aged since the last time I saw him in..whatever 80's movie it was.
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That means, exactly, what? STAR TREK needs to be grateful to Jar Jar?Um, no.Um, FUCKING no!
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We've all aged since the 80s.It was 20 years ago.Even you've aged since then.It's true.
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Why is writing this movie so difficult? Just put them on a freakin 5 yeah mission and get them to explore some strange new worlds. Who gives a rats ass about the federation or yet MORE Klingons and Romulians and other borin' ass shit. BORING. Get them to actually do what they were born to do. Explore something new. Boldly where no man has gone before.. At least the original TV show TRIED to do that.. even though they had no budget and another planet meant using some recycled roman columns and regular people with crazy hair dos. Head out and explore something.. take us on a journey man.
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these dumb fucks have no business writing a story that tries to be serious. They filmed the engine room in a goddamn malt liquor factory for cripes sake. It doesn't get any dumber than that.
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Sep 17, 2009 4:26:48 AM CDT
I haven't seen the first one, so can someone tell me...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Does Kirk fuck a green bitch?
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Bones heads up a death panel......u have a choice to die regularly or to die by being shot in your groin, known as the "pubic option."
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This is fact.
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I knew some fucker would say that.
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I notice how anyone who like Star Trek is an idiot in your eyes. We once discussed how film is subjective, and you said that isn't true. In that spirit, let me ask you:
Do you believe Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder?
Obviously there is a certain standard for beauty (scientist have done studies and found out that we find symmetry to be attractive, certain feminine features are considered attractive – such as full breast and longer eye lashes - and the hips to waist ratio must usually fall within a certain range), but beyond that, can people have a wide range of determining what they find beautiful, or are those people wrong?
An African Bushman’s idea of beauty is obviously much different from typical European or American. He might find big hips and ass, dark complexion, heavier set and full, large lips very attractive, while a Westerner would most likely find pale (or at the most tan) complexion, smaller ass, thin build, and not as large lips to be more attractive. Is the African Bushman wrong, or is the Westerner? Or are they both wrong? Or right?
Or what if I say that Winona Ryder is hot? Can anyone disagree with me, or can others say she is ok or even say that she is not that good looking? Or we argue whether Marilyn Monroe is hot? Can I claim she is a 9 while someone else says she is a 6 or 7 at best? Can some say she was hot for her time, and can the standard for beauty change over time?
(Actually yes for the last question, because attractiveness and health go hand in hand. The reason a woman with extra-pounds like Marilyn Monroe, Kim Novak, Jayne Mansfield and Mamie Van Doren were attractive in the 50s was because during the great depression and WWII few women were able to eat as much, so having slight amount of fat was a sign that you were well fed and healthy. The same reason older painters models where chubbier women – they were rich women, and rich women ate better, meaning they were usually healthier and less malnutrition, so that became a sign of health).
And what about a gay guy who finds another guy attractive? Is he wrong about what is attractive, or does his opinion have merit? And what about a guy who finds his wife or girlfriend extremely hot? In our eyes she is a 7, but he claims she is a 9 or 10. Is he deluding himself or is it that in his eyes she is that beautiful. Also, what about the guy who gets laid 4-5 times a week versus the guy who gets laid once every couple of years; wouldn’t the availability of women you are getting change your standards of beauty?
So my point is, if your idea of beauty can be shaped by your own personal experiences and background, can it not also influence what you like or appreciate in art? Can a caveman appreciate what the Renaissance Painters Leonardo and Michaelangelo did, and can they in turn appreciate what Salvador Dali, Piccasso, or Jackson Pollock did (and can one person call Pollock a genius while another person calls him a fraud)? Will a person who reads mostly Westerns or crime novels react differently to the Chinese saga “The Romance of the Three Kingdoms?” Will a person who listens to the Beatles be able to appreciate Classical music, and is a person who listens to Blue Grass wrong to like that type of music? Is what and how you appreciate as art also not shaped by your life and where you are from, and what you have experienced? Doesn’t that make art therefore subjective...?
And if art is subjective, then movie taste must be subjective. Everyone has had different experiences, both in life and the different films they have seen, that has shaped their movie taste. There is no hard rules that define what makes a film “good” (otherwise why is it that we can call an Expressionistic movie like METROPOLIS, a realistic film like BICYCLE THIEF, a romantic film like CASABLANCA and surrealistic film like MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON great; doesn’t the very fact such different style of movies can be labeled great proves that there is a very wide criteria for what is a good movie?).
I am not saying you can’t debate or argue what is good or bad, most movies have a similar enough criteria and style to judge them against one another (a common grammar) but you can’t say there isn’t a blurry enough line where things cross back and over (such as how some people would say Renee Zellwiger is attractive and others wouldn’t, or how maybe a film like THE HANGOVER might be on the cusp for some people of being a good or bad movie) or that there is an absolute that makes one person right or another wrong unless that person has no knowledge of the medium (and I don’t think the people here qualify as that). Hell, even geniuses like Scorsese and Schrader disagreed about movies were good or bad, and I am pretty sure those two know more about movies than anyone here.
And while maybe Star Trek isn’t a Grace Kelly 10, it sure as hell isn’t the ugly one legged woman with the facial hair, acne and hump on her back who hasn’t showered for a week. That is MANOS, THE ROOM or 7 HEADS IN A DUFFLE BAG (and for the record, I like MANOS). Star Trek is good looking enough I can understand why some of the people here are throwing it a bone. Hardly something to make a crusade about.
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And if you still insist on seeing STAR TREK as something hideous, may I suggest not insulting the people who like it but instead explain why they might be wrong in appreciating it. You never seem to offer REASONS why Star Trek sucks – no true arguments – other than the fact that it sucks and Abrams is a hack. Those are not arguments, those are just statements by you. If you want to convince people of that your opinion has merit, you must back it up with FACTS. Hard logic. And even then they do not have to agree with you if they can bring up a good counter argument. I hate to tell you this Asimov, but no one here has impeccable credentials as a film theorist and critic. Unless you have written some masterful book that completely explains exactly how to determine what is a good film by using a fool proof theorem, you’re opinion is not infallible. It is open to as much skepticism as anyone else's.
Another reason you might try a different approach is you will find you can change more minds with calm reason than yelling and screaming. A man who is in love with a girl he met at a bar isn’t going to listen to someone bad mouth her, but he might listen to reason if the person can logically explain why she might not be the right one for the guy (like the fact she has an Adam’s Apple or a bulge in her pants). Maybe if you offered more than just insults and condescending attitudes (like you did towards me for not liking Superman Returns) you will find that maybe people will be willing to accept your opinions that Abram’s STAR TREK was not good.
And even then you should still accept the fact that some people like a woman who is packing some candy.
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will go? Khan? War between Klingon/Romulans? the Borg?
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e giving a big budget to trek. After all while it was very successful in the States, it basically failed internationally (less than 30% bo from international markets). And while it did well overall it did nt do Batman/Harry Potter/Spiderman/Star Wars numbers, and it was a pretty expensive film. I hope it gets discovered more on dvd and sells well ala Batman Begins, and like BB leads to a much bigger sequal. I for one would like to see Trek maintain a relatively big budget so the trek universe can continue to have more scope...
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Sep 17, 2009 5:37:05 AM CDT
Conti in rder for Asshole life to understand your beauty argumen
by xiphos_2
You should have used farm animals since that is his preference. I will now eagerly await the Iberian horse cock takers next unorginal homophobic response. Being staggeringly unoriginal is a trait of its that I can always count on.
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does that force them to concentrate on the story more?
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there's no point talking about Human Beauty to that cockmonkey. You should have referenced livestock.
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no doubt about that
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Sep 17, 2009 5:52:17 AM CDT
Great effort, Conti... but you're wasting your time
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
The only things AsimovLives will understand from that is... "bulge in her pants" Because it was what he noticed right before he first became attracted to his sister. "packing some candy" Because thats how he lured Madeleine McCann to his car.
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I'd rather sit through a suckathon of Spidey 3, X3 and Elektra than that shit again.
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NEIGH MEANS NEIGH hehehehe- an old classic, but still great
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BAAAAAAAA means NAAAAAAAAAAA.
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ens when this cast plays itself out? Will they then recast TNG? Or go for a whole new crew? Could be weird...
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in my personal opinion ST1 DC is the best of all,since its the most faithful to the spirit and vision of the TOS series.
The problem with it,was that it wasnt too commercial,it tried to focus on pleasing the hardcore fanbase from the intellectual point of view.The fans were waiting for Kirk to kick ass and fuck some alien babes,but they
were introduced to a movie talking mainly about philosophy.
It tried to be more 20001:A Space Odyssey and less Star Wars,thus disappointing the fans,since they were expecting the opposite.
And then came Khan,which focused on Kirk,his friends,his enemies,his old age and his old flame.The movie was concentrated more on the internal human side of a man,which we are all familiar with,and less on his external view of what lies beyond his place on the Cosmos.
If u take notice,the only time that they talk something about else than human affairs,is in the scene where Kirk informs his friends about the Genesis device.and then interesting discussion occurs between spock and bones about the morality of creating and using such a powerful tool,and playing God.
THAT scene by itself is also star trek,but unfortunately that element of exploring the What If... of humankind,was most of the time in the story's background of the sub sequential movies,and never in front.
ST5 and 9 tried to bring these kinds of questions in the front again,but combining scifi,action,human drama,morality and philosophy,all these in a single commercial package,is a very difficult task,even for the greatest of the directors.and even if they succeed to bring something special,then again the majority of the casual (not hardcore) fans might not like it at all(remember Blade Runner and how it was welcome by the critics and the audience?)
And thats where lies the problem with ST.Its original TOS hardcore fanbase stopped being relevant for Paramount since the lackluster premiere of ST1.Hardcore fans werent enough to bring profit to Paramount,so a different route was followed.Khan was a masterpiece,it was greatly welcomed and brought money to Paramount,but it also announced the decline of TOS spirit.
If u notice Paramount did try to make a ST movie which something more than just killing the baddie of the day.ST5 and ST7 are the best examples of this.but after their miserable fails,(mostly due to the execution and not the concept),they returned again back to the archetypal story of good vs bad,until the tng hardcore fanbase became irrelevant too.
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I haven't seen a full single episode of Law And Order in my whole life.
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it's ok.
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Describe why Scurvy Trek is entertaining.
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I thought BAAAAAA meant "Do me harder" in Iberian.
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LOL! Dude, you've defended it like the last virgin on a naval vessel. I don't know what that means, but you get the point, right? Ah, keep up the good fight!
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Sep 17, 2009 7:04:22 AM CDT
TWO vulcan fist fights!!! Biggest missed opportunity of the year
by lightninbolt
I can't believe everyone fell for the massive amounts of fake lens flare, decent enough action and multiple hanging-from-ledges tension. It was an average action film with a big budget and a TRAVESTY of a Star Trek film. The bozo's clearly have no idea about what made Trek so great (at it's best). Modern day allegory shouldn't be the focus. It has it's place in the well constructed utopian, escapist adventure.
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AsimovLives= livestock molesting cretin= fact.
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Inquiring minds wants to know.
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Do you think it can succeed overseas to the same extent as those better known brands?
Clearly JJ and Paramount are trying for more universal appeal of this brand, but it does have a lot of baggage, which no doubt makes it much harder to attract audiences. So you can see that they have tried to get rid of the baggage by this alternate timeline. But there is still some trepediation by global audiences.
As a brand prior to this movie, it was knocking on death's door or at least would be in a coma for a long while.
Whilst I didn't think it was an amazing movie, it was good fun and you could see what JJ is trying to create, he just needs to fix a few things and build on this beginning.
Its clear from not just Asimovlives but a few others that they would prefer a more purist approach to it, which is unlikely to work for Star Trek, at least from a succesful movie sense, maybe a cult tv show again.
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Say it again! Please! I love the smell of marketing lingo in the morning!
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that's fact. The fact that the only time AsimovLives has touched a woman his mother slapped him, may explain his psychosis.
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I hate the way that even actors in interviews, (which exist in order to sell us their movies), talk of "franchises" etc.
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to everyone who has their own idea of what the next star trek movie HAS to be about, why don't you take use the millions of dollars that studios are giving you to make it...oh wait...studios aren't giving you money...hmmm....
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banana moon left soil ouch " xg
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Star Wars is what to Lucas? give you a hint, ends in "rand"
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wth did you just say? *braces for blasting*
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He became EXACTLY the thing he hated when he fist started "makin' pictures!" Lucas actually outdid the studios in money-whoring tactics. He's written the rule book on how to leverage a BRAND for maximum cash. Lucas is probably the biggest sell-out to ever walk the Earth. And the sad part is that 95% of the shit he's thrown out there for the SW-loving public to consume (prequels, toys, games, etc.) has been a disappointment to say the least. All that fucker needed to do was something with Darth Vader killing Jedi for 2 hrs. Man in black armor suit! 2 hrs of Vader slashing Jedi. That would have made a trillion bucks.
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Dont u fuckers got girlfreends or wivves? All you punnkd need to backthe fucq up and let Asimov live!
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remember in high school we were asked that question, if you could have 3 people (alive) over for dinner (for conversation purposes, i.e. we couldn't say Cindy Crawford), who would that be, being such a huge SW fan I remember I said GL as one of them, certainly wouldn't have him over, and besides the greedy bastard would eat my food if I wasn't wathcing.
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U dont like girls. You'ren luv with Asimovlives yu want tyo be ASIMOV!
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I just noticed the irony of a guy calling himself bizarroAsimovlives, telling me I want to be Asimov.
I'm amazed you can type in a straightjacket. Well done mate!
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After I ejckualate, drink the jebus juice
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wtf?
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And so do yu, prtentious litle shit.
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The one and only reason the Original Trilogy turned out the way it did was because of the limitations of the technology and budget. He had to revise Star Wars into the movie we all know because he wasn't able to make the crapfest he wanted to.
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yeah, the word straightjacket is really intellectual. Fuck off retard.
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Lucas was an expert at cultivating the image that he *knew* how to make the best blockbusters possible. And his track record, save for HOWARD THE DUCK, was impeccable. We can gripe about Ewoks and shit, but there was no real concern about him making more movies. Quite the opposite. I too would have picked Lucas as a dinner guest in the early 90s (along with Stephanie Seymour and Madeline Stowe). But who knew that HOWARD THE DUCK was the new rule to Lucas' talent, and not the exception.
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they fundamentally changed the story-telling. If you've ever read the Annotated Screenplays, you'll see how Lucas' batshit ideas were constantly shot down by others.
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Because that kind of thing wouldn't be the FIRST thing everyone thought of if they were doing a 'relevant' story. Jesus wept. How about something relevant that isn't fucking obvious? Even Rambo 4 managed that!
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Continentalops posted two -very long (ha), but devastatingly effective posts about subjectivity, and your lack therof. Unless you can just as effectively refute what he has said, and not dismiss it because you have no effective counter argument, then you must give up this charade of a crusade of yours against the movie - at least based on the grounds that it is the worst movie of all time, because as Conti's posts have proven that is purely a subjective argument. Now, having said that, we both know full well that you will not change your attitude concerning the movie. Nor am I asking you too. You feel the way you do - and that is fine. What IS demanded of you after reading Conti's post, is that you acknowledge that movie enjoyment, artistic enjoyment, is totally subjective. And that you have completely overlooked anyone elses opinion, and derided such, because you value your own subjective opinion beyond anyone elses. That while certain criterial standards do exist, even they are subjective. Then and only then will your crusade have merit, and perhaps some converts.
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The early drafts of Star Wars are pretty fun, with Luke Starkiller, cyborg general, and Anikin fucking some Queens maid in a closet.
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The first 3 or so drafts are all off-the-wall and consistently unintelligible and then suddenly, the whole thing changes dramatically into what really is the basis for the final film? I have a theory that somebody did a significant re-write for Lucas that never got explicit credit. And that person.. I believe is Marcia Lucas.
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Yet you're a Str8up idiot.
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That's how long it took you to think up that witty little gem.
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We are better then that. WE ARE LEGION!!!
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SHIT Started this
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You halfwitted cylon copycat cunt.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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He metions METROPOLIS, BICYCLE THIEF, CASABLANCA, MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON as been grate films. What makes them grate?! Critical consensus! What is I said Bicycly Thief was shit? Would that mak it shit? No, even if I say it shit, it is not. On the flip side: What if I said Battlefield Earth is a great movie? Does that make it so? CRitical consensus says no. I belive that in time critical consnsus will prove that Felicity Emo Waht About Brian Trek was as much a peace of shit as i said, just like history will exonerate George Bush as a great persident.
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That was a HUGE part of the original series. The Iraq war could be done well (if handled correctly.) Don't think in terms of the direct imagery of an insurgency we saw on BSG (as said before, been done, too well to follow at that.)
Don't think Lucas trade disputes and senatorial fillibustering.
Think Enterprise coming in contact with this alien culture (The Klingons) and through some sort of cultural misunderstanding (they are a noble, brave Samaurai-like warrior race) that Earthlings misinterpret as vicious savages, against better judgement (an inteeligent script could show us the proud Klingon culture Worf introduced us to) the Federation gets bogged down in an unwinable war with the Klingons.
Lets just say, there's a Federation of multiple planets far outnumbering the lone Klingons, but the Klingons are willing, even happy to die in battle.
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I enjoyed the first one, but I see your point. Based on the tone of the last movie, if they are going to address serious things, they'll likely have to be satirical and use comedy/humor to make their points.IMHO a good example is the way Preston Sturges dealt with the issue of hero worship in HAIL THE CONQUERING HERO which was on Turner Classic Movies the other day. Another example is the last movie with the TOS cast, Undiscovered Country, which had a satirical undertone too.
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Contin, well thought out and intelligent posts...too bad they are wasted on asimov, he will find a way to dispute them and insist that he is still right, he is so self absorbed it is pitiful, but I guess he is happy in his little world, so be it.
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Oh yah?
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in my stool
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Seriously, your wit is sharp as a knife. If you keep this up, the guys at the aquarium will run out of fish.
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and watch it.
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Hard luck, little fuck.
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If you think O.C. Trek is good then you are the one existing in a fantasy world, not me.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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My rguement is not with you.....But you did start this and I quote.
"They evolved.
They rebelled.
& they haven't got a fucking clue."
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I think we got it.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Time to reboot J.J.'s 'TOS'reboot already?- with a new director, writers, cast, designers, and direction (heading hopefully where no man or Trek movie has gone before)for this franchise.Oh well, seeing as they effectively fucked up the 'TOS' potential in their reboot, at least the storyline of J.J.'s first one effectively eradicates 'The Next Generation'/ 'Voyager' stuff too....although I already looked on all that guff as being set in a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT 'ALTERNATIVE' universe to the MAIN 'TOS'-set universe anyway....That's right, the old 'Prime Spock' seen in the movie, is NOT the future one from the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe, but rather merely a future one from a SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that comprised of the events shown in'Enterprise'/'The Next Generation'/'DS9'/'Voyager'/ and the 'Next Generation' movies....Well, if J.J. and co. can introduce a TOTALLY DIFFERENT 'TOS' universe into the mix, then so can I....and this idea works for me, especially since that means that the old 'Kirk' that was shown dying onscreen in 'Generations' was NOT the ORIGINAL 'TOS' universe Kirk either, but again just a 'Kirk' that existed in the SOMEWHAT SIMILAR universe that J.J. and co.'s 'Nero' character ACTUALLY went back and fucked up, the one that 'Nero' evolved in!Think about it, I'll wait.
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Now we don't know who is who.
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let me guess, you're not the REAL Cervantes are ya?
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Sep 17, 2009 9:49:01 AM CDT
Subtitles_Off where the fuck did you come from?
by talkbacker with no name
You are like the new lockesbrokenleg and he is newish as it is. far out.
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Jeez...leave the political commentary to a particular season of BSG. Once again, I don't go to the movies to be reminded of every day life. But if you feel you must, I suggest that you revisit the half-black/half-white characters because too many people seem to have forgotten how pointless and stupid playing the racism card is these days.
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WOULD YOU LIKE TO LICK MY TAINT NOW OR AFTER YOU'VE APOLOGIZED TO ME?
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Maybe i've just skipped past his rubbish before, but this time I stopped and laughed at the fact he thinks there is free speech on the internet hehe
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I am Asimovlives from a "somewhat similar"universe. I know wht yer saying that'Z stupid but yu know what? SO WAS THAT PEICE OF GARBAGE REE-BOOT. with all it's time travelling bullshit, which is the biggest devie that is used by hollywood to "advance the moviey along or in plae of an actual story. Now we could poosibly be looking at a Khan sequal. Bullshit
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...BUT AT LEAST HE HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO STAY AWAY FROM JJ'S HOT STEAMY PILE OF SHIT THAT WAS THE NEW TREK."
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I'm on here every day so I lose track of time. I think he's been here a pretty long time though.
I still remember my first message to him however. Title: Subtitles_Off . Content: Fuck_off.
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Your world is reality? Really? Now THAT is funny. So in your reality, youre right and we are all idiots if we like Star Trek. Wow. What a reality that is...oh i'm sorry that is a fantasy world you fool. You are not the sole judge of what is good and bad jackass, your opinion means nothing, especially seeing as you never back it up with facts just nonsensical rants. You are the joke of this site. If you would just let it fucking go, maybe you wouldnt be, but you cant because your entire life is about bashing Trek and everyone who likes it. Face it what would you have to say if you were not bashing Star Trek? Nothing because that is all you ever talk about, you are a sad little man. Let us pity this poor soul who owes his ranting existence to JJ Abrams.
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Sep 17, 2009 10:02:29 AM CDT
seems like a nice guy when you're not on opposing sides to him
by talkbacker with no name
that's everybody here isn't it? ;)
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WAS ANOTHER IN A LONG LIST OF HOPELESSLY PEDESTRIAN ATTEMPTS TO SAY 'HEY, LOOK. WE RENTED A FEW TOS DVDS A MERE HOURS BEFORE STARTING TO WRITE THE SCRIPT BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETE DULLARDS WHO NOT ONLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THE SHOW, BUT ALSO HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMAGINATION.'
CHRIST. WHEN THE WHEELCHAIR APPEARED ON THE SCREEN I ACTUALLY LAUGHED OUT LOUD IN THE THEATRE. -
YOU ARE A COMPLETE TWAT.
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....multiple post that on purpose!!Fuckin' talkback form sure seems to play up now and then. Sorry folks, but I'm innocent.
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AKA TITBAG AKA Scotsman75..don't forget who gave you inspiration for your new name. By repeating calling you a nonce. 'Twas I, the most complete twat you could ever meet.
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THE TREK SEQUEL OR THE HOBBIT. RIGHT NOW IT'S A COMPLETE TOSS-UP. COULD GO EITHER WAY, ACTUALLY.
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I wouldn't want people to think I had an IQ like you Nonce, you little window licking fuckstick.
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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE ON ABOUT.
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BECAUSE, HONESTLY, IT WAS SO EFFECTIVE AND LOGICAL THE LAST TIME AROUND. FUCK ME.
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(context, UK, slang, pejorative) A sex offender, especially of children; a paedophile.
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If you look up the TB, some other people recognised you too & said the same thing. It's the Caps lock kid style you love so much that gives it away.
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that you got called a Nonce so much you've adopted it as a name.
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Well most of Law and Order is the same day in day out. There are some good ones out there. One of the greatest single episodes of television quite frankly was one of Roy Scheider's last appearce's. Its called Endgame. Its a riff off of Ted Bundy but its so fucking good game of cat and mouse between him and Vincent D'Onofrio with some outstanding acting from Vincent D'Onofrio in light of what happens. Its actually on Sept. 27 on Bravo. I suggest you all watch it if you haven't seen it yet. There is also a good one about Rap with that girl from A knights tale.
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Rape not rap. There are however plenty of Law and Order episodes about rappers.
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That's a dead give away.
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"get 1990's tribal tats, and steal some more cinematography and characterization from Firefly/Serenity"--- Please. There other source materials out there than your precious Whedon. I'm so sick of you fucking browncoats messing up my internet. Go die in a hole.
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I thought they went the way of the Cop Rockers.
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Another stupid idiot with caps lock on all the fucking time. The dumbing down of AICN continues at a frightening rate.
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the next movie will feature Klingons who behead people. The Federation captures some Klingon fundamentalists, put them in a camp, and waterboard them. Kirk can't decide whether to laugh or cry. Mayhem and biracial kissing ensues.
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He has written at length in previous talkbacks very specific reasons for why he thinks Star Trek sucked. Also, when he is not pontificating about the suckage of Trek he can be very engaging in a great many different topics. Also there are at least 2 cylon versions of Asimov, so make sure that you are commenting on the real AsimovLives and not one of his dopplegangers.
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Are you the same Snowcone of Baleback fame? If so, your posts were hilarious. Welcome back. The Federation would never authorize waterboarding. If J.J. goes there then I will be forced to side with Asimovlives.
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AsimovLives. He's a cunt.
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2 things: 1) Cloning is the lamest thing outside of threats of violence that you can do on here. 2)If you must clone someone, for the love of god pick someone that doesn't molest farmyard animals.
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the only Portuguese I know personally are self-important assholes with a superiority complex too. I'd say that must be typical Portuguese behavior but that would be racist.
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Sounds like JJ and Orci have a good gameplan for the next Trek movie. They obviously have more open minds than the likes of some of the cretins trolling the TBs, and an open mind is always good. Some of you should try it sometime.
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sure, i deal with torture everyday. i'm tortured by democrats who want to solve for health care by taking my entire paycheck and plunging us into more debt LOLOLOLOLOLOLO! That would make for great story, we attack the Klingons because they don't want to be socialists. HA!
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'Make sure the next one deals with modern-day issues.’Who said that?!? What flipping fan begged you to make a Star Trek flick about current events? Seriously?That next film better be about kicking Klingon butt or this new reimagining will be over as soon as it started.Exploration set against a backdrop of UNIVERSAL truth -(not "modern-day issues")- is what made Star Trek great. Explore space you idiot. Just explore space.
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I agree, in the past the real Asimov has given specific reasons why he haters new Trek, so those criticizing him for not giving reasons should chill, and yes he can offer some good insights as well.That being said, Conti is correct and I have said it in the past, that film, as well as all entertainment is subjective, no one person has the definitive opinion, no one person is any more right than the next. We can believe we have the right opinion, and to each of us our opinion is correct, but in reality nobody is the definitive authority on what is good/bad or right/wrong.
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In my posts about Lars Von Tier, i never once mentioned one single movie directed by his, with the only exception being Breaking The Waves. So, i caugth you in a lie. It's easy to check out for anybody, just go read those talkbacks. And lying is a very common thing to see from the Scurvy Trek groupies. I wonder why.
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In my posts about Lars Von Tier, i never once mentioned one single movie directed by his, with the only exception being Breaking The Waves. So, i caugth you in a lie. It's easy to check out for anybody, just go read those talkbacks. And lying is a very common thing to see from the Scurvy Trek groupies. I wonder why.
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I have already explaiend in great detail, writen thousands of words in dozens of others talkbakcs why Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy Trek is such a bad movie. The ones who read that are those who bash me the most. And simply, none of them really read my posts, they dismissed them out f hand, didn't even care to read them. As soon they saw "not a lover of Jar Jar Scurvy Trek", they went for personal attacks. If you think i am too harsh and personal against the Scurvy Trek groupies, it's because i already know what kind of deceiful and irrational people they are. With notable exceptions, and those exceptions, i call them friend. People like Six Demon Bag and rogueleader66. But this is the exception. Deranged loonies like joshuavance1701, quantise and Lost Jarv are the rule.If you wonder why i don't post my extensive reasons again for why the movie is so bad, let me tell you that it's quite tiring to post thoudsands of words posts again and again and again and again and again, and all for the "Fun Brigade" to dismiss out of hand, without reading and get personal aggravations for my troubles. You can get it gets tiring and it's insulting!
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A "purist" Star Trek movie can work. All it takes is a talented filmmaker and screenwriters. Which Scurvy Trek didn't get. And if by purist you mean closer to Gene Roddenberry's vision, then why would that be a bad thing? Shouldn't even that be the major guideline? And who's to say the movie, that more "purist" Star Trek wouldn't work? Jar Jar Abrams might say that to defend his choices, but since when that would be God's Own Truth?br>And Jar Jar Abrasm's approach is not working as much as they were expecting, and in this, the box office does clues us in. The movie has underperformed to expectations even in the american territory, and it flopped overseas. Jar Jar Abrams's options are not working very well. so much so, that without saying it directly, Abrams and Bob Orci are now comtemplating a different approach, the "topical issues script" approach. Even they understood that. Bless them, maybe they can learn from their mistakes, but i doubt they can pull out any intelligent and sophisticated script with many daring-do space adventures, which was the daily bread and butter of the TOS series, and which also influenced some of the theatrical movies.You cannot tell if a "purist" Star Trek telling the adventures of the crew during their Academy years wouldn't work, because we didn't got one.
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If you think i lack subjectivity, then it means i'm objective. Thank you very much for the compliment.And by the way, i already had extensive posts traded with conti about the subjective issue. i already told conti that he uses a misconceived notion of subjectivity. I take it, he uses the common colloquial term, which is quite faulty and erronious. and like most people, Conti misplaces subjectivity into a discussion, and mistakes it for Cultural Relativmism. Which is the real concept he is trying to say when he writes "subjectivity".Subjectivity and Suspension Of Disbelief are two of the most abused and wrongly used terms that can be found in AICN posts. It's not exclusive here, of course. sorry if i nickpick on this, but you see, this is the type of concepts which i actually studied in college, and i'll not accept a misguided uses of it and get all quiet in submission. I have tried to tell conti time and again that he keeps misusing the concept of Subjectivit,ybut he hasn't listened yet. It's like quantum Leap, no matter how much i explain why the term doesn't mean what most people think, people will still use it. They will say it's subjective.
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suggest. That said, i do think he is mediocre. Truth is, yes Star Trek reboot probably could have been a lot better. But, it also could have been much much worse. Imagine if Paul W.S. Anderson, Michael Bay, Brett Rattner, Uwe Bowel, or McG had directed it. Whether you can admit it or not it would have been even worse than what we had.
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Sep 17, 2009 12:32:50 PM CDT
METROPOLIS, BICYCLE THIEF, CASABLANCA, MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON
by asimovlives
All great movies. Even Casablanca, which i don't particullary like. I donh't like it and i thinkit's a great movie. That's the whole point, i'm not a slave to mere passions and preferences, and justify that with a misunderstood definition of subjectivity.
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of the series to date. Star Trek films have never been huge box office blockbusters. But, they had their diehard niche audience and made enough money to justify continuing making the films.
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When will these guys learn that most people hate it when Hollywood works their political agenda into the script of movies. If the story reflects torture, how much you wanna bet its committed on a planet that rhymes with Abu Graib? Its so stupid and turns us (well at least me) off. I got an idea, why dont they do a movie where the federation taxes its people to death and only Kirk and Spock can get the Federations hands out of the peoples pockets. Now that would be a great story.
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Thanks for the heads up on Law And Order? Jimmy Smith was a regular on that show, wasn't he?
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Sep 17, 2009 12:39:17 PM CDT
AMERICA REWARDS LIBERAL MOVIES WITH HUGE BOX OFFICE
by bringingsexyback
Just reflects the demo. Sorry but rightwing idealogy is the death knell for a movie. Teabaggers ought to go out to movies more if you want your agenda out there.
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The Enterprise series had a terrorist race of genetically modified aliens named the Sulaban, obviously taken from the Taliban.
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Lots of experience on the subject? Don't project into others your own kinks. Fucking retard.
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The way people talk to the cops on the show. The way they walk around and talk to the cops like they're food delivery guys. It's my only gripe, otherwise stellar shows.
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Whatever, dude. Last time I stick my neck out fro you, bus!
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Is there really much of a difference between a bad directro and a mediocre? Maybe, in fac,t being mediocre is worst then beign bad. you can tell a bad director right aay, a mediocre will fool you to think he made a good movie if he surrounds himself with lots of talented people and throws a lot of trendy flashy things to pass as something he's not, to pass as being better then he is.Micheal Bay is bad. Ron Howard is mediocre. Jar Jar Abrams went from mediocre in MI:3 to bad in Scurvy Trek. From Howard to Bay.
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It's like the 4th of July here. But there are a lot more typos... :)
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issue. I think there is such a thing as critical consensus. But over time. i don't think there has been enough time to declare beyond a doubt that Star Trek is a bad film. This does not mean that people can't subjectively like a bad film. They can. But, it does mean that no matter if someone likes Mack and Me and it is their favorite movie, it is still a bad film.
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oh well,its trolling time then.
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The outgoing leader of the Federation spent everyone's gold pressed latinum attacking an innocent Dilithium producing planet that posed no threat to the Federation at all and when the new leader comes in and tries to repair the damage, everyone starts screaming, "Not with my money!"
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Actually, in an old TV interview, Roddenberry said that Star Trek was a good chance to "take a couple of shots at this Viet Nam thing.""Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was about the then-current racial tensions in America. Current topics were featured quite a bit under Roddenberry.
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for healthcare reform. Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a politician!
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You know what are really the two most commercially sucessful Star Trek movies? ST4: The Voyage Home and ST: The Motion Picture. The later case is quite enlighting.ST:TMP had a real budget of 25 million dollars. It was added to that the 20 millions that Paramount had spent on pre-production of an aborted TV show, ST: Phase II, and at least two unrealised ST movies, one of them writen and to be directed by Philip Kauffmann, and advertizement costs for the final movie. So, the final price tag for ST:TMP was 45 millions. USA box office result? 75 millions. Abroad? 140 millions. And that's just theatrical box office numbers. Do the maths. And all this numbers are UNADJUSTED TO INFLACTION. but it still gets the point across, the movie more then payed for it's own produiction and the pre-production of ST projects that never went ahead. St:TMP was a HUGE SUCESS.Let's compared that to Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy Trek, shall we? Productioncosts: 160 millions. to that we have to add the normal spenditure that studios does for their big blockbusters, with the average number gine 80 millions. So, in true, JJ's ST has a pricetag of 220 millions. Box office results? 260 millions in USA, 120 millions abroad, total: 380 millions. Suddently, the "most sucessful ST movie ever" doesn't sound too real anymore. And it gets worst. Half the money from the box office goes to the distributors, and the studios only get a half for them. Thus, for Paramount, they see from the box office 190 millions, to pay for a movie which has a total pricetag of 220 millions. It's not good. In fact, it's pretty weak, of not bad. It's not enough to pay the movie. Thus, Paramount is completly dependent on the home entertaiment market. Where Paramount will eventually get their profit. But that's it. JJ's St is not the most sucessful St movie ever made, nor it is the sucess most are claiming it to be. Even Paramount is admiting as much. All that story about the most sucessful ST ever and the big hit is all myth, it's all nonsense, it's stuff taken on faith by the groupies, with no real correspondence in reality.
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Why would i do such a thing to you? You are one of the cool guys, man! I know my friends, man.
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....but after hitting the 'Post talkback' button only ONCE....why did my recent post NOT EVEN get repeated one after the other Harry?There was severel comments IN-BETWEEN it being multiple-repeated.... Truly wierd. Time to get this buggy part of the site sorted Harry.
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Objective = How does a film compare against others of its genre.
Subjective = How much did you personally enjoy the film.
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Sep 17, 2009 1:05:43 PM CDT
ST:TMP WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SLEEP AID OF ALL TIME
by bringingsexyback
All I can remember from that movie is Aaliyah getting zapped and TTAAAAAAAALLLLLLLKKKKKKIIINNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG.
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"Modern day issues???? Who the fuck wants that??? I want SPACE and ALIENS and futuristic explosions!!! NOT political allegory and social pandering"
This probably isn't the franchise for you, then. -
I got nothing against you bud. It's all fun and games.
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I like a lot of pew pew action but what makes ST unique is its relevance to the day's social issues.
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"Now that Vulcan has officially been blown up.. the Vulcans will in turn represent the Jews and the Federation will provide them a new home world, deep in the heart of the Romulan Empire.. triggering a nasty war followed by an uncertain peace."
But will the Vulcans pinch land in wars, refuse to give it back, and press ahead with an apartheid state while claiming to be victims?
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but, i could have sworn that ST:The Motion Picture was a huge box office flop.
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We agree on that one. Box office doesn't equal a good movie (I said as much above). And I went grammar nazi on you because you called me an idiot for liking a movie.
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$82 million domestic and it cost $35 million to make.
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....and the 'TOS' movies being set in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT universe to the universe that the rest of the 'Star Trek' offshoots (including the reboot) is set in, still stands....from a certain point of view. Mine. Just my 2 cents.By the way, I KNEW that the 'alternative' universe 'Kirk' DIDN'T really die in 'Generations' either, lol.To see yet another possible universe, type this into YouTube's search box - Star Trek: Generations Alternate Ending (Part 1)
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The Ferengi receive enormous Federation bail out funds and in turn pay themselves huge bonuses while foreclosing on several colonies.Kirk disguises himself as a Ferengi to take back the bail out money from the Ferengi Central Bank.
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I'll admit, at first I thought you were playing word games and semantics. However, a further study of the matter revealed some very interesting results. I will not claim any expertise in this matter, and it is far more murkier than I would have suspected, but the bottom line is that you are both right and wrong about this. You are straddling both camps - objectivity and subjectivity, without taking a stand. You are arguing both sides. Where you are correct is that neither camp is superior, but in order for any communication to take place, any rational sharing of ideas and understanding, a mutual language must exist. You are deliberately blurring that. The following was not written by me, but it comes as close as I have seen to describing what you are trying to say about objectivity and subjectivity, as well as debunking your attempts at blurring the two. In short, you must take a stance. That last section concerning MetaPhysics is really the key. Objective truths are always true and for that reason can be verified by independent observers. Subjective truths are beliefs about the world and not guaranteed to be true, however it can be seen that it is objectively true that a subject holds a false belief - it can be verified that a belief is held, and that it is false. Subjectivity is subordinate to objectivity; beliefs cannot exist without being verifiably existent.
For example, atoms existed before anyone believed that they exist; indeed, the minds to believe so were made out of atoms. Unicorns, even though some believe they exist, cannot be verified.
Actually this is a bit of a farce. While it's true as far as it goes, it ignores non-belief subjective phenomena. If you examine the logic in the above paragraphs, you'll find that beliefs are but a small part of subjectivity, and the greater part is ignored. This is not accidental, though it's also not by design. It is adaptive; it is done because it works and reproduces itself. Nevertheless, as I've shown above, my sensations exist independently of you, and thus are in some sense objective. While the logic is incomplete, the general conclusion holds when the argument is repaired.
Now lets take subjective existence for granted. I'm going to call it experience for clarity.
Subjective experiences are always true; only that which is experienced exists. Objective experiences are those that can also be experienced by other subjects, and for that reason must be consistent across subjects. (The opposite is clearly false; two people experiencing something different cannot coherently claim to be sharing the experience.) However, it can be seen that all objective experiences do indeed exist, but not all experiences can be shared. Objectivity is subordinate to subjectivity; an experience that no one shares is not an experience and does not exist.
For example, atoms cannot exist without being experienced. While our knowledge of them is limited to recent times, their effects on our experience has been consistent throughout time. Compare unicorns, which have never been experienced.
Metaphysics
Subjective and objective are in fact qualitatively different arenas, but you must either conceive subjectivity as subordinate of objectivity or vice-versa. They can't be quite thought of as equal, nor can you do without either.
However, there is no objective (Ha ha! Hello, irony!) criteria for choosing one over the other. The criteria for decision are entirely meta-physical; they have absolutely no effect on physics. You may pick which one you like best. This is true of all metaphysical claims.
It's still very important to choose, however, for the purposes of clear communication and clear thinking. You cannot form a consistent philosophy without taking a stance, speaking with someone from the opposite camp without making allowances for the necessary logical transformations creates misunderstandings like cellular automata fill cells.
Similarly, anyone trying to force you to take one stance over another doesn't understand the concepts involved, and regardless there's no logical path to success. Such a person is a jerk, although I'm sure they have specific incidents in mind which they'd like society to avoid. Nevertheless, arguing in favor of one side or the other is not an effective method.
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with the multiple universes,timelines,reboots,idiotic deaths like Kirk in st7 and data in st9,and all that shit.
is the next ST a flop?.reboot it again and have Q as an announcer at the start of the rebooted movie,telling to the audience that we are going to watch the adventures of the enteprises crew of an another universe or timeline.there problem solved.and paramount can experiment with whatever crap it wants. -
Yes, there is one thing i like about the movie. and it can all be summed up to one word: CAST.With one single exception, i actually liked the actors in the movie. some of those are actors i already know quite well form watching their movies, with Zoe Saldana being the complete stranger to me. And i liked them. Except Chris Pine. But more on theat later.The actor that i really liked the most was Zachary Quinto as Spock. That was one dead perfect casting. i can't even think of anybody else for the role. He is spock. and what boggles my mind is that he had to lobby for the role. Like, as if there would had been any reasonable alternatives. In fact, that he had to lobby for the role makes me see Jar jar Abrams in a worst light, because he really needed to be a very fucking fool to think there would be anybody else for the role. He had to be lobbied to be convinced? He is that stupid? Ah, yes, he is.Zachary Quinto as Spock, dead perfect. Only problem, what he had to do in the movie. The liens he had to say, the stuff he had to act out, it was simply beyond abysmal. Quinto is Spock, but what there was onscreen was not spock. It was not even a good parody.Kark Urban is always a welcome screen presence for me, and i took it as a great insult that, suddently, and out of the blue, the JJ groupies started to sing his praises. As if he had never been a good actro before. This, again, proves to me the complete misguidness of the majority of the people who liked this movie, and their praise of Urban's job in the movie is more an insult to the guy then a praise. And Urban as McCoy was blassed with the movie's best lines because all those good lines were either taken verbatim from the TOS or were paraphrasing from the classic show. Easy to write good dialogue that wayThe rest of the cast, i liked the actors. I can see they are professional actors. Most of them not great actors, but they are competent and they are skilled. In fact, i would say, they must be some pretty good actors because with all that fucking horrible lines they had to say and all the stupid action they had to perform as writen in the script and misdirected by Jar Jar Abrams, that they didn't looked like complete fools from start to finish is more a testement to their skills as actors then anhything else. Oh wait, there was Chekov, which didn't had one single good moment in the movie. Poor guy. but again, i don't blame the actor, i blame the other fucking hacks responsible for clown shit he had to do and say.Eric Bana... poor guy. nobody can survives such a bland bad villain. He tries, he tries to bring pathos to the vilalin, but the script is so bad to him, not evne a really talented actor, a master of the understatment, could bring anything good aout of that fiasco of a character. Poor Bana. Maybe he should had played Nero for laughts, since he was such a sucessful comedian in Australia. Anything would had been better then that no-character he had to play.Bruce Greenwood, you cna't miscast the man, he's too good. But what he had to do in the movie is just.... dumb! He's the character that is ther eto tell the audiences what a smart guy Kirk is, because nothing in the movie shows us that. Then he makes dumb decisions so that later Kirk can lookm good in comparison. And then he gets tied to a table and a wheel chair. I really hope the paycheck was a fat one.Leonard Nimoy, always great to watch him onscreen... except to play a clown version of his most iconic character. I wish he had not been in the movie, and you have no idea how much it pains me to say this... as much as it pains me to see him play Spock as a dumb idiot emo clown.Great to see Ben Cross getting a paycheck, the man should make more movies. He was the shit in Chariots Of Fire.Chris Pine. Fucking shit, i really don't know what to say. I really cannot say if this guy can act or not. And maybe that's not his fault. I can really believe that. Because of all the characters that where mishandled in the mvoie, his was the worst. The Kirk in JJ's ST is something impossible to believe. to this day i still can't fucking believe what i saw. They say he's supposed to be James T. Kirk. All i saw was a copy and paste job from the tom Cruise character in Top Gun, and mad even more obnoxious and stupid. At least Maverick in Top Gun had one quality to him, he was an extremely competent pilot. JJ's ST Kirk is one of the most incompetent shits i ever seen onscreen. He's not even a good cheatter. He's a fucking nulity. Other characters have to constantly tell to th audiences how good he is at this or that, because there's nothing on screen to support that. And shall i evne mention what a fucking bitch this Kirk is at a fight? Everybody kicked his ass.. A decrepited cancer ridden granny could kick this punk ass. A tortoise could kick this little shit's ass. He was beyond lame. But... really, how much is all this to blame on Chris Pine? I don't think i could, in all honesty. I can't see any real acting talent, but then again, with such a terrible character to play, who could? edward norton at the peak and in his prime couldn't do much to this character. Poor Chris Pine is completly over his head. I do feell sorry for him.So, that's it, i liked the actors but i hated the characters.And i could say the cinematography was competent, whenever it was not set in the yellow coloured outterspace (worst depiction of space ever!), or shakying the camera around and making everything look like a blur, or having the lens flares obsfuscating the scene. As competent as one can see in any TV show, really. When to call something mundane counts as complement in a movie, this means it's really, really bad.
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ST:TMP is one of those bullshit myths that have no correspondence in reality. It's one of those myths that exists for ulterior porposes which have nothing to do with what's real. If i had to venture a guess, i would say that myth started out when enemy of Jeff Katzenberg spread that lie about so he could undermine the former Paramoutn employee. You see, Katzenberg was Paramount's top executive on the movie, he was the real boss, as nobody else wanted to touch the movie, just in case it flopped. Katzenberg left Paramount a few months later after the movie's commercial run. And everybodty was only talking about the costs, but nobody talked about the profits. Small wonde,r thare had bene a change of guard on Paramout after ST:TMP had it's run, and everytime there's a change of guard, the new guard always makes it best to make the former guard look bad.So, if you have to ask me, i think this is the reason why ST:TMP has this bulshit fame it still is stuck to it. It's like that bullshit story that Waterworld was a flop. Which wasn't, not even in the domestic box office.
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My wife is Portuguese so I understand what you are saying. It's OK man. What did you think of the dude playing the guy with the giant face in the bar scene? Spot on, that! I smell a nomination!
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If you can save yourself on the grammar nazi stuff, i can see in you a smart guy interested in a good discussion. And there's nothing i enjoy and respect more on a person in here. And as i said before, there's dudes in here who i enjoy immensely and who so happened to like Scurvy Trek. Yeah, i have called them misguised in their love of the bloody movie. and gyuess waht, we go along marvelously. Why? Because they payed attention to what i wrote. Because more important then the passion i show in my posts, it's my mind about them. And i'm far better reasoning then to emote. I take the former in high regard, i take the later much much less.
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I thought the long faced guy was played by Greg Grunberg. Jar Jar Abrams uses him in all his shows and movies, he thinks of him as his lucky charm.And where you met your lovely portuguese wife? Is she a real portuguese, born and breed here, or is she a child of emigrants?
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really man u hit the nail with what u say.especially about Pine's kirk character.i have read the same criticism from some other big geek sites.
i didnt know that TMP was indeed a commercial flop,but on the other hand when u try to start a franchise and your first movie isnt welcomed very well by the critics and the majority of the auidence,then your franchise's future doesnt look bright.
the same,but from the opposite direction,happened with the new ST.even if its a flop,(which i dont believe it is,because the generation of profit continues with dvds,tv network views,merchandise etc),it has very warmly welcomed by the fans and the critics.so the rebooted franchise is on a good track.
and thats why JJ seems to be honest when he says that he is going to listen to the fans.he wants to correct the mistakes of the first movie,in order to bring a better one.he does want to have a successful franchise,regardless if the hardcore fanbase is disappointed with his reboot. -
Next Tuesday, all the Trek movies that are on Blue Ray, will be on regular DVD. That means you can finally get TMP without the Director's Cut visuals.
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compared to shit like fucking Nemesis.
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....new title font, never mind anything else!
Another YouTube clip that brings a tear to glass eye is the one that accompanies the previous one I mentioned. Just type in the same wording as before, but type in (Part 2) at the end instead.What I REALLY want to know, is that if they just HAD to kill off Kirk, one of popular culture's most iconic characters....then just WHO WERE the 'ad wizards' that thought the piss-poor 'collapsing bridge' death was better than the superior 'alternative' ending seen on the DVD?For those that haven't seen it, type this into YouTube - Star Trek Generations Original Ending (New Version) -
I was not trying to blurr the definitions of subjectivity and objectivity. It that is how it came cross, then my bad, count that as a result of poor writing skills.Also, you forgot one thing: the matte rof subjectivity/objectivity is not a dualistic one, because there is the 3rd part: Intersubjectivity.Subjectivity, intersubjectivity and objectivity is all a matter ofthe Theory Of Knowledge. Despist ethe name, it's mostly a philosophical current, which only very recently has been studied quite in deep by science. for a long time, all this was taken a bit for grante,d but the amount of misconceptions about the terminology demanded a new scientific studies.What i'll say next will border on the simplistic, for it will be a too simple description of this subject. Bear with me.Subjectivity, intersubjectivity and objectivity has to do, mostly with the observation of the world around us. It will also have a part to do with interpretation.Objectivity says that the colour yellow is yelow and nothing else. Subjectivity will say is somebody is colour-blinded to the colour yellow, then it's impossible to perceive yellow perfectly because there will be exceptions. Intersubjectivity says that it's possible for the xceptions to determine the right colour of yellow if we folow a pre-defined agreeement of what is couloured that type of yellow, and evne the colour blinded can follow, even if they can't see it. Objectivity says things are always the same no mater what, subjectivity says things can look different depending of eaht angle you look it from, intersubjectivity says this is like this because there's an agreement on the matter., a middle term reached from the different parties angle perspective.What doe this means is not that subjectivity mmearly means whatever the hell i want to see and like and prefer, but something else. To puit is simple, subjectivity is objectivity as seen from only one angle. subjectivity is, indeed, a type of objectivity, with a limited angle of vision, so to speak.One of the major reasons why people completly misused and misunderstand "subjectivity" has to do with the popularization of Einstein's Theory Of Relativity. This has bene terribly misudnerstood by people, and the colloqual interpretation is that everythign depends on everything's point of view, and therefore, there's no one thing right and true, everything depends on whatever one wants and feels. And this is bulslhit.The irony is that the Theory Of Relativity, which helped bring and made popular the word subjectivity, is in fact an objective construct, thus why it's called a THEORY (theory is another word that's terribly misunderstood in colloqual terms, and another one of my big fights in her,e to no avail). When in Realtivity we talka bout the subjective point of view of the participant, it only means that there is one pointof reference from which things are observed to happen. It is objective in that the same phenomenum can be observed equaly and understood equaly by any participant if their places were traded, or if to understood the viewpoint of the other side. Basically, things can be understood objectively in any point, but seen from a certain place seems different. but it's not different. In fact, Relativity exists to CORECT the fallacies caused by seeingthigns form one single point only. Relativity corrects that, and makes one, regardless of what point one is, get a correct global picture. and that's OBJECTIVITY. Relativity is OBJECTIVE.It happens to movies too. Ithappens to movie's appreciation as well. As long yon is not a slave to his own preferences and passions. Subjectivity is being terribly misused and misunderstood when it gets aplied to things like mvoies. most people who say they have this or that subjective thing about this or that, they are completly misusing and misunderstanding the term. I don't think i can change anybody's mistake about that, but it's worth to at least call atention to it, if not just one person, like yourself.Objectivity is ral and can (and i say should) be used about movies. Subjectivity doesn't exist to justify intellectual laziness and the enjoyment of bad movies.
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is in the movie in voice only. i forget if its on a radio or transmission or what but he was busy doing some other movie or something. and one reason J.J. always uses him is because they're best friends, met in kindergarten.
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Co-worker in the wall? I think the police are looking for you.
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..that scene in which Kirk plays out the Kobyashimaru test/scenario while eating an Apple was bullshit and should have been left on the cutting room floor.Yeah, I managed to "breakdown" and see what the hype was all about (under a Friend's recommendation and a "sneak preview" LOL.)and for the most part, it was OK,but not worth the hype it received. If anything the cast helped to move the fil especially Karl Urban as Bones and "Sylar" Spock.As for Pine, they could have gotten almost anyone for the role of Kirk.Speaking of Kirk,The beginning was a bit sappy but it was merely for storytelling purposes, I guess.OK but nothing, I will ever watch again, even on Blu-Ray.
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Bullshit.
“Conti misplaces subjectivity into a discussion, and mistakes it for Cultural Relativmism. Which is the real concept he is trying to say when he writes "subjectivity".”
Cultural Relativism is the principle that an individual human’s beliefs and activities should be understood in his or her own culture. Subjectivity refers to a person's perspective or opinion, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. Obviously culture plays a huge part in one person’s perspective, opinion and beliefs. Therefore, your culture plays a huge part in your subject viewpoint. The taste and opinions of a man who grew up a rich Asian city will most likely be different from a kid who grew up in a poor Central American village. Or are you saying our taste are not shaped by out culture.
Art as a subjective medium implies that one cannot separate ones personal beliefs or background from when they make a judgement on something. No one can be a completely impartial judge – everyone has a life and experiences that shapes how they see things. We do not exist in vacuums. To pretend otherwise is an exorcise in futility.
Hitler and the Nazis (and no, I am not comparing anyone to the Nazis so I am not breaking that internet rule) had their own aesthetic taste, which was shaped by their beliefs; they were SUBJECTIVE. The Communist after the revolution also brought forth their own subjective viewpoints about film and film criticism (not just subject matter, but also style and even types of protagonist – the mass hero for example) – they too were influenced by their SUBJECTIVE viewpoints. And we in the West in the modern age are just as guilty – by coming from a society that views free speech and understanding other people as important, we are influenced by our SUBJECTIVE viewpoint that we should be open to ideas, and NOT be completely closed off against other viewpoints. But that is still something that influences us, hence is makes our opinion – ready for this - subjective.
And even after you get out of culture, we are influenced by things that shape our lives. Did are parents respect new ideas or did they not? Did our teachers in college prefer certain styles of film and certain film theories over others? And what movies we have seen that have shaped our taste? What social class and what is your economic background (which has a huge impact)?
“this is the type of concepts which i actually studied in college, and i'll not accept a misguided uses of it and get all quiet in submission. I have tried to tell conti time and again that he keeps misusing the concept of Subjectivity,ybut he hasn't listened yet. It's like quantum Leap, no matter how much i explain why the term doesn't mean what most people think, people will still use it.”
So you are somehow an expert at this field while we are not? How do you know I haven’t studied these concepts in college either, or that maybe I use them as part of my job and day to day life?
If anything Asimov, you are playing a game of semantics, trying to maintain this illusion that subjectivity does not matter in film. Oh, that is Cultural Relativism, that has nothing to do with Subjectivity (Wrong – your background and the culture you grew up in definity influences what you like or dislike, and how you judge things; therefore it plays a part in your subjective viewpoint).
We try to be OBJECTIVE, but it is impossible to do so 100% because all of us have different opinions, viewpoints and perspectives. That is why art is a SUBJECTIVE MEDIUM, because you must take in account not everyone will have the same background, life experiences or have seen the same pieces of art. -
WTF?
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why the hell not? since the rebooted franchise is for the new generation.
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I agree with you that JJ's ST will eventually make a fat profit, but as you said, it will be on the home entertainment sales. But for now, it's a bit of an embaracement for Paramout. They shouldn't had bragged so much just from the opening weekend numbers.I many tiems wonder why the movie was so welcome,d and if you ask me, it has nothing to do with what's in the movie, really, but about soemthign else: something close to cognitive disssociation. most people love blockbuster,s most people opove the concept of blockbuster,s and that includes the critics as well. And the thing is, this year all blockbusters have been either mediocre or very bad. JJ's ST had the good fortune to arrive at a point when people just wanted a good blockbuster, by hook or by crook. It could had been anything else. It could had been Terminator Salvation. But luck have it, it was JJ's movie that got the prized ticket and won the popularity jackpot.Every year, there is a very bad movie that gets enourmously sucessful at the box office. Inicially it looked like it was to be JJ's ST, but it turnd out it was Transformers 2. And every year ther eis always a very bad movuie which gets good reivews. This year, it's JJ's ST. Every year ther eis alos a good movie that gets very profitalble (this year, District 9), and a very good movie which gets trashed by the critics and public alike (i can't say what is this year's example, but i can name two from 1982: Blade Runner and The Thing).Zeitgeist is one funny thing: makes a shit movie loved and a good mvei hated. Makes a good movie flop and a bad movie win at the box office. Why? nobody really knows for sure. i venture the hypothesis that people IN USA AND UK (and only in USA and UK) embraced JJ's ST because they wanted to like something, one blockbuster. They could not conceive the idea that this year, EVERY BLOCKBUSTERS WERE SHIT. Which they were. One had to be the good guy. Lucky for JJ's ST, it got to be it.
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It's been used as far back as the fucking Cage. It's not new. Jeezus, the shit you people complain about.
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Always.
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1/3 of Repuclicans think that Obama is the Antichrist?!? I guess Bobby has something to work on for the ST sequel after all.
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Has Boborci graced us with his presence on this thread?
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The Motion Picture, shit movie though it is, was not a 'commercial flop' by any means. Adjusted for inflation I think it's only second to the latest Trek. The numbers are there for all to see. Try using boxofficemojo.com.
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Essentially we agree on the objectivity/subjectivity and even inter-whatevertivity. No one view is superior. No one view is defintive. The intersubjectivity is what I mentioned being the common agreed upon communication that must exist for the other two camps to be able to agree to disagree while understanding the others position. Now bringing this back to you, since you obviously understand the meaning of the terms, you also understand that none of them is superior to the other. Each has a reality based upon being observed or being the observer. Your viewpoint on Star Trek is just that - yours. It make be shared, but that does not give it any more weight than a differing view. You, however, by your voluminous posts that call into question others ability to hold a differing point of view, are arguing against what you yourself acknowledge to be true about subjectivity and objectivity and even interobjectivity. I also found this quote of yours very telling "As long yon is not a slave to his own preferences and passions.". Ask yourself if a Michael Bay movie came out today that was universally hailed as a masterpiece, would you in fact disagree on principal, or would you allow yourself not to be rules by your long stated hatred of all that is Bay - a passion of yours.
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That title font is the oldest thing about Star Trek, as my arch nemesis Locke pointed out. The only difference in the film is it's not slanted. (I'm a graphic designer, I know fonts).
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C-lop, toad, BSB, Asi and his new buddy omni all trading thoughts?!!?!?! I'm in
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I knew you wouldn't accept it. your definition of subjectivity is just too confortable for you for you to dismiss it and change it.You think i wasn0't liek you once? i was like you once, with all this deal about subjectivity. It was so confrotable, it was so nice. Here, subjectivity, i can have all my quirks justified. i ddidn't need to think this things though, subjectivity helps me out, resolves all arguments, and fuck you if you don't agree with me. This is nothing but the same "god's will" type of thinking, i belive this god or this faith, it's personal and mine, fuck you off, i don't need to se your side. At college i got my big wake up call. Thankfully. My self-indulgency on thatr subject was crashed and burned, and i never looked back.You think there is no objectivity in the study of art? Then what the fuck you think it's all those articles and studies about art? just stuff people writing so they can pass their time? No.You ever heard of Aestetics? It's the rational study of art. And it's objective endervor. And it's by that that something can truly be classified as good art or not. Art is not god just because this or that though it's good and decided to scream out of their windows, while some others shat on it and used thir "subjective" to to not give a fuck. aestetics studies art, to udnerstand it, and to udnerstand it, makes the differenc ebetween the good stuff and the bad stuff. It is am rational and objective enterprise. Pollock is not a brillant artist because the colours he spraided about mixed nicely. there was an idea behind it, and it's the idea, of which the paitijg is a reflection, that is the true brillance of his art. and that you ge tit with reason, not emoting about and calling on suvjective this and that to justify your liking or disliking.Yeah, you cna find brauty in medieval paiting, in Leonardo Da vinci, in Picasso, in aboriginal folklore... yeah, you cna find beauty in them, and you don't need to be fromt heplac eor the culture. There is an univeral to beauty. If you care to watch it. If you care to be rational about it. It's there for you to see, if you care to see it more then you care to endulge in your own passions. There's more to beauty then just the superficialities, there's also the ideas, which are as important as the superficial value of things.
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Yeah boborci was here once, he kust did a driveby in the FRINGE TB too. He reads... God knows he reads voraciously!
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I'd call it a pleasure. We don't chat with each other too often, if you ask me.
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My wife is the child of Portuguese immigrants, and a true Portuguese woman in her beauty and manner. Creative and intelligent; strong and independent. A perfect match for an Irishman such as myself. And Grundberg was the voice of young Jimmy Kirk's step-dad who phoned the corvette during the chase sequence. The worst transgression of the new Trek movie was to make it in an alternate timeline. Why didn't they just make a true origins story faithful to the original? You could spice up the action for a modern audience and still tell a compelling Trek story that would let us all in on how the crew came together. Have it take place over a number of years. It already did take place over time in the new Trek. That way you don't have to destroy Vulcan (idiotic!) and design a ridiculously large and uninspired Enterprise (it was fine the way it was-you could just make it a better render for the big screen with more detail). Is it too late to reboot again?
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I'll have some of that coffee
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Cheers, got a pounding headache at the mo and couldn't face scrolling through the last 500 posts or so!
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Objectivity is superior because it views THE WHOLE PICTURE. That's the thing. That's why is so appreciated and used in sciences. Only by objectivitty we know the truth. And objectivity is achievable, unless you go to the sub-atomic level of the universe. And that's not because there's lack of understanding in an objective way, but because it's impossible to observe without interfering with the object observed. And again, people took concepts from Quantum Physics to jsutify their own intellectual laziness, when in truth quantum physics has nothing to do with the way we live our lives.Yeah,a s you cna guess, i get a bit pretty riled up when i see scientic and philosophic concepts being misused, just to justify liking a bad movie or to justify an anti-intellectual morass.
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I hope you get better. And really, your presence here is must needed. You should participate more.
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"Objectivity says that the colour yellow is yelow and nothing else. Subjectivity will say is somebody is colour-blinded to the colour yellow, then it's impossible to perceive yellow perfectly because there will be exceptions. Intersubjectivity says that it's possible for the xceptions to determine the right colour of yellow if we folow a pre-defined agreeement of what is couloured that type of yellow, and evne the colour blinded can follow, even if they can't see it. Objectivity says things are always the same no mater what, subjectivity says things can look different depending of eaht angle you look it from, intersubjectivity says this is like this because there's an agreement on the matter., a middle term reached from the different parties angle perspective."
Sorry, but I find that to be bullshit semantics. You sound like you are trying desperately to not admit that you are wrong and reaching into a hat to pull out any term that will make it seem you are right.
The point of SUBJECTIVE is the implication that ones personal life, background and opinions INFLUENCES how one views a piece of art. And it does.
Your own review of Star Trek was not based on some sort of analytical observations, but an opinion that the characters didn't work. Is there a scientific formula that says they didn't work? No, they didn't work because you couldn't buy them, they didn't feel "true" or “real.” Why didn't they feel true, because it goes against your experiences of what STAR TREK characters normally act like and your own life experiences. However, another person could argue that they did feel real, and that the comparison to the original Star Trek is pointless.
BTW – The reason you didn’t like STAR TREK is because they didn’t act the way you thought they should – that is a PREFERENCE. You PREFER if they act a different way. You also didn’t like it because it didn’t fit the past STAR TREK films - your PASSION for the STAR TREK universe shapes your view (So much for your not letting your preferences or passions getting in the way).
No where in your criticism is there anything about a technical or aesthetic problem you had with the film (other than a passing comment about color schemes, shaky camera and lens flares). Did the film have a horrible structure? Did it have a horrible plot, that was contrived and was the pay-off to obvious?That wasn’t listed. Did it have bad acting? Actually, you gave the acting good grades overall. Did the film have bad editing, break the 180 rule and didn’t have seamless edits? Was their a lack of continuity in action? Did the film do a bad job with the characters geography in the scenes, and especially in the action scenes? Did film use Overtonal Montage when instead they should have used Metric or Rhythmic?
None of those things were listed. Instead was a criticism about the CHARACTERS, which falls completely under a SUBJECTIVE listing. Characters are meant to feel “alive” and “real”, and we use are own judgement to determine that. How is your opinion of the STAR TREK characters any different from my criticism of Bale as Batman? You complain about Pine being a wimp; I complain that Bale is not emotionally tough enough and is to angst ridden. Both of those are our own OPINIONS, not hard facts. We can try to back it up with precedents and arguments, but in the end it is up to the viewer to determine if they work.
How is that not subjective? Oh, yeah, because it is YOUR OPINION…
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Awesome graphic artist made a high-res version of the original ship, same dimensions buth with modern details/texture: http://tinyurl.com/lo3bkx
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Cheers, busy spell at the moment, but will try and be more active at the weekend.
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As a fan of Star Trek since a young boy I find that I am both and neither. My objectivity is questionable as I admittedly have an acceptance for all Trek, good or bad. Just because it exists. It is a flaw. I will watch something that I know is bad Trek and love it for being Trek and still wish it was something better. Sort of like with my own children (at times). I love them so much, but with my grown kids, I can't support their choices all the time, while at the same time I always support them. I love the the new movie and alternately am disappointed and hate it. Nuts right? My greedy Trek fan is happy that any bone has been tossed to me and fully realizes that any new filmed Trek is not guaranteed. The other side of me loathes the story choice made by the writers who have consistently proven themselves to be thinking more of how they are perceived than their work. It was bullshit to make the movie in an alternate universe just so you could put your own stamp on it and ignore 40 years of canon. And I'm not a strict canonista by any means. But why throw it out? And that's why I am ultimately conflicted about the whole thing.
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I agree with you on the silliness of the paralel universe nonsense they come up with. you know what that thing reeks of? creative cowardice. Jar Jar and bob Orci and the res tof the peope responsbile for the movie didn't had the strenght of their convictions. If they knew what their were doing, if they had a vision, they would had done what Christopher Nolan did, a COMPLETE REBOOT. Good or bad, it would still be a vision of their own, it would be their baby. But Jar Jar went pussy, and decided to trick the prople with the "there's still your trek, but this one, it's like the same only not but the same". And it's all bullshit.Imagine, if you will, if nolan's Batman Begins would be a paralel universe story of Tim Burton's Batman. Imagine if nolan had gone with that lame idioticy. Same thing here. The whole concept about JJ's ST is one of the most cowardly "creative" actions i ever seen put into a movie. Making Jason Vorhees raising up from the dead and became a zombie has far more creative balls and creativity then the shit hey pulled for Scurvy Trek. It's cowardice, pure cowardice. Jar Jar wanted to have it's cake and eat it too. Well, aparently, for some lame ass trekkies, it worked, they got their frnachise bride and they ate it all up like lemmings. As if the majority of the trekkies weren«'t pathetic enough, now they evne support a movie that pisses and shits on their favorite franchise, and all for the most pathetic and stupid of reasons! Some people sell their asses very cheap.
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That the very premise of this new movie invites this kind of confusion. I liked the movie, so I don't have the same feelings as Asimov. But you said the reason he didn't like it was that he didn't like the way the characters acted. Well, rationally, I accept characters acting differently because the premise is a new timeline, which means new events that shaped the formative years of some of the characters, especially Kirk. That being said, why bother with a new timeline? What benefit do we get in having a more punk-ass Kirk? Or an even loonier Scotty? What Abrams & Co. did was something greedy (and completely sensible from their perspective)- make TREK new but keep it within the existing Universe. They USED Nimoy to make it legit. Which, again, I agree with from their p.o.v.
But my biggest gripe with this movie is that the filmmakers were too cute with this concept. They should have gone whole hog and did a complete reboot, no Nimoy, no ties to anything that preceded it. I mean now we're going back and forth about whether they should use Khan or not... and that's lame. There shouldn't even be an option of that happening. If you're going to re-configure the characters, then go all-out. Make it truly original, only use TOS as a framework for character types and other larger markers of the series. -
Why do you feel bad for him? He's only given one good performence, Chopper. He's a fucking comedian, he needs to more funny stuff. Just because he has a dramatic face doesn't mean he should just do dramatic stuff (Munich). Plus he keeps picking bad movie after bad movie...Star Trek was actually a huge boost for him.
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What's in my coffee?
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Uh-huh.
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All this alternate time line stuff, thats just nerd speak for geeking out. Seriously if you have not read that interview from Patton Oswald a couple weeks back and you post on here more then once a year you should read it. He NAILS the mentality of people here.
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He's not a bad actor... just fucking dull.
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because I wake up the next day and realize that I don't really care. Who gives a shit anyways? It's just a diversion. Put 'em all in clown costumes and have them do musical numbers. I still have my DVD's. So what it comes down to is that it just doesn't matter.
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which I call general consensus or critical consensus. The problem is that I do not believe that Abrams' Star Trek is the best example to prove your Asimov's point. I would use Battlefield Earth as a more suitable example of what the critical consensus objectively considers a bad film.
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I am not a fan of the New Star Trek movies. However, I am not so bold as to assume that I am the infallible Pope of Great Movies and I am the only one able to judge there merits, unlike a certain AsimovLives you somehow has some mysterious credentials that makes him have superior taste than me or anyone else.
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Sep 17, 2009 3:10:15 PM CDT
"Well, aparently, for some lame ass trekkies, it worked"
by mattmanreturns
See, Asimov, you keep insulting people for enjoying something you didn't. Do you consider that an intelligent approach to an argument? I personally thought the alternate universe idea was a clever way of introducing a reboot and a sequel. That's just my opinion. It cannot be proven right or wrong; it's simply the way I feel.
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but that does not make it a piece of shit or diminish it as a masterpiece of modern painting.
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I don't know about any of you, but I was not old enough to have been around for Star Trek during its initial run. My mom was though and has been following it pretty much up to Voyenger. Her and my dad never dressed up as characters or ever did anything out side of see the movies and TV and read the sequel to generations because I bought it. But my mom loved it, she's bee a Star Trek fan longer then you guys have been alive. I think when it comes down to Trek its the Trekkies that give it a bad name and get all distrought about the fact that they are not doing specific things that you have created in your head. My mom thought it was true to the original and liked it, probably the reason it didn't make as much BO is because everyone outside of geekdom thought it was for geeks. But after the positive buzz, huge DVDs to get everyone else on board the second one will be back with a Vengeance.
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how long can this argument go on?? hollywood is filled with stupid liberals, jj is an idiot who can't make a good movie to save his life, he should stop trying to make star trek movies, the next movie he makes should be a remake of twok, the next movie he makes should be an original script that i wrote 20 years ago, why is jj raping my childhood???, anyone who isn't me is stupid. did i get the gist of what everyone is saying?
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something you zeroed in on- that Abrams changed the characters somewhat, which you said ran up against Asimov's subjective preference. I think we can ask the threshold objective question- did Abrams change some if not all of the major characters to a substantial degree? If the answer to that is "yes" then the subjective preference issue becomes secondary.
In other words, you're both right in some ways- there are objective and subjective elements to criticizing this new movie. I can say that I enjoyed what Abrams did with the characters, and I'm using my subjective opinion in making that statement. But I know there are probably a good dozen better ways they could have gone about doing this re-boot/prequel mish-mash. See, objectively, I know Abrams & Co. made mistakes. -
As my first post on this subject showed - the Atom and unicorn examples, objectivity can be subordinate to subjectivity and vice versa. lets take a look at the rationale behind scientific objectivity. Once again, the following was not written by me, but proved a very concise explanation. "What you may not know is the unifying concept of objectivity. To say something is objective is to say it exists independently of our consciousness.
To say something is subjective is to say it exists entirely within our consciousness.
Now, science likes to tell you that subjective phenomena are 'not real.' Now, if you stop and think about this at all, you realize it's nonsense. In fact, the whole objection that an observation is 'subjective' is complete bunkum.
To see this, and in fact the whole problem with this dichotomy, consider my consciousness. It is subjective, yes? The things I experience require me to be a subject.
But, does it exist independently of your consciousness, or not?
Similarly, when one of us observes an objective phenomenon, for instance the readout on a thermometer, is the experience of the measurement entirely within your consciousness, or not?"
Me again: You have provided no proof that what you consider an objective observation of Star Trek is is fact superior to someones else viewpoint - which may also in fact be objective or even subjective. You have provided no definitive objective or subjective evidence to support this view. You have listed why you do not like it, but that hardly qualifies as an objective viewpoint that should be considered superior to my objective viewpoint or even subjective one. I am not asking you to change your views, I am merely stating that you have in no way proven - even by your own 'objective' standards that(which I believe are truly your own and not a universal objective standard) your view is superior. Point blank: you claim that objectivity is superior (I say that is debatable and I have given evidence above as to why that is the case), you argue that your objective viewpoint that Star Trek is terrible is the only viewpoint. I say: Prove it. Where is your objective, irrefutable evidence other than your list grievances with the movie. Who made your voice the only objective one? And you did not answer my question about Michael Bay and whether or not your passion (hatred of him) would allow you 'not to be ruled by your preferences' if he produced a universally hailed movie.
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u dont have to be ignorant to call Guernica a turd.u can be a well educated,intelligent person who have his own reasons and arguments why he consider this painting a pos.
in fact i have a friend,he is an artist,a successful music composer who thinks that not only guernica is pos,but Picasso is an overpraised hack.he respects the opinion of the rest of the world,he simply does not follow it.that does not make him ignorant,neither wrongful (or rightful) with his opinion. -
I know a very intelligent guy who loves League of Extraordinary Gentleman. I think that movie's a worthless piece of shit, but he enjoyed it. I enjoyed the hell out of Death Race, even though I know it's trash. We all have guilty pleasures. Star Trek is hardly a guilty pleasure, however. I need not be ashamed of liking that film, as I feel it was a very solid piece of entertainment.
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You know what's the problem with the Jar Jar movie? It's that it's so hypocrite. And so stupid. And it's the stupidity that upsets me the most. And the movie is stupid for no good reason. You could had the same basic premise for the movie, and a talented writer and an intelligent director who could give a fuck about the movie he's making and being payed millions, they would make it into a good movie. It's totally possible, but Jar Jar and his croonies couldn't give a shit. Or were not enough talented. Or both.In the majority of the TOS episodes, and evne in some movies, the stories ar about how the crew of the enterprise, Kirk and his pals, find some seemsly impossible oods, which the only outcame seems to be the choice between two bad fates,a nd always, by the end, the guys would find a 3rd alternative and win the day. The plots of those stories were exercises in cutting the gordian knot. and it takes intelligence and culture to do that, soemthing the makers of those episodes had in abundance. In Jar Jar Abram's Scurvy Tek, they resolve their problems by blowing shit up.And i'm supposed to be impressed by that? Fuck no, man!
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"..where forum posters usually have a go at it.."Wikipedia
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But subjectively, I fucking love the movie. The writing, pacing and some of the acting was objectively bad, but I love the sum total of what Shatner delivered. That's the problem with this whole debate, guys- no one is wrong.
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thats pretty much the problem with 99% of all debates on this site. Except for when it comes to Marley and Me, if you like that movie you have no soul, my allah have mercy.
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not to appreciate Picasso. But, you do have to recognize his contribution to painting and the art world. I hate Michael Jackson's music, but I'm not going to call it all shit. It may be shit to me, but I am educated enough to realize that the guy was talented and contributed to popular music.
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The cockfighting that ensues over semantics is just another day in the life of AICN. Christ, we can't even all agree that TPM sucked both objectively AND subjectively. There are those who swear it's good. But that's why this place is so alluring. If you ever feel like flinging poop, this place will always be here for you, 24/7, and even on high holy days.
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What i'm saying is that if you ar emor erational in your appreciation of art, including mvoie,s you will far more often right then wrong. It's the people who obnly value the mvoies due their emotional reactions who are bound to me more often mistaken. and from EVERY people who liked Scurvy Trek, all their reasons cames from a most basic emotional reaction to the movie. ther eis yet to come one, ONE Scurvy Trek groupie who ever came up with a rational, reasonable reason for why people, should mistake the movie for a good one. And that is a wrong way to aprpeciate a movie, as you are bound to be mistaken, as you would.That's the fucking point.
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No, you don't have to be impressed. But why can't you ignore it? It's only a movie. A diversion. It is vapor and non-permanent (well, other than the film in the can itself-that might last a while). I just don't think it is worth the vitriol directed at it. Hell, there are even TOS episodes that I change the channel on occasionally if I am not into watching them. Some are just bad.
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Totally agree with you about Star Trek V.
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Why should i praise stupidity, creative cowardice, intellectual inconsistency and intelelctual betrayal? Since when those are virtues to be praised? I don't sell out that easily, and excuse me if i find those who do disgraceful.
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Also someone will ALWAYS have a different argument that is not really an answer or rebuttal to the initial argument, just poses a different situation. So they act like that is the answer to the question. Its just a way of side stepping everything to try to prove your point over someone elses. Too bad Ebert stole thumbs up thumbs down from the world. Times were a lot simpiler back then.
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"I knew you wouldn't accept it. your definition of subjectivity is just too confortable for you for you to dismiss it and change it.
"You think i wasn0't liek you once? i was like you once, with all this deal about subjectivity. It was so confrotable, it was so nice."
Spare me your condescending attitude, please.
Yes there is studies about film, and about art to see what works. There are obviously certain techniques that have been tried and tested and proven to work. The 180 degree rule, the 1/3rd rule in cinematogrpahy, the three act stucture in a scrip, the Kuleshov effect, etc. These are things that have been studied and are now applied as guidelines, techniques and tools for filmmakers to use.
But we are not talking about hard science here, because even these techniques are sometimes not used or even intentionally broken. What we are talking about is Art, and art is made up of two components: Form and Context.
Form is how something is made: style, genre, medium, ect. Context is why something was made: what was the artist trying to say, how did he say it, how successful did he say it, and what did the audience think he was trying to say. One is the tools and techniques, the other is the message.
The thing is, there is no PROPER WAY to judge if a work of art is successful other than if people are moved by it, and if they are not moved by it does that make them wrong? Maybe so, because maybe they don’t have that much experience in the world of film or knowledge of it’s grammar (just like maybe some of us here don’t really know that much about opera so we can’t judge it). However, even those who study an artform like film have vast differences in opinions, usually based on their own past experiences or influences.
So once again, the judgement of art is based on a subjective viewpoint, based on what the person brings to the table.
If the study of art is completely objective, then do as toadkillerdog suggested and provide a completely annalytical, objective explanation for why you didn’t like TREK.
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picture Uhura dancing on the sand dune. OLD Uhura, not the 2.0 piece of ass. Hehehehe, sorry.
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Well, if I were to judge a classic like Good, The Bad, and the Ugly from a rational standpoint, I would be forced to conclude it was a piece of shit. There is no place in the West that looked like that. The actors are all poorly dubbed. The story meanders with several subplots. Much of the acting is just poor. (Star Trek hardly suffers from any of these issues, by the way)
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Ummmm isn't that what 100% of art is? its not a fucking math equation.
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i was just catching ppl up so they wouldn't have to read through a bajillion posts.
it seems to me that the people who hate the movie have seen it an awful lot...idk about yall, but if i see a movie i hate, i don't watch it repeatedly...i also don't call other people stupid for liking it. at the most, i just scoff and roll my eyes because i know i'm better than they are because they have stupid opinions and i'm smrter than they are -
with a better director and a screen writer who would polish shatners script,it would have been an excellent film,even better than st6.
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Yiu nkow why i cna't ignorare it? Because Scurvy Trek is making history. Scurvy Trek is the movie where the american geekdom and critics finally fells into the pocket of the studios and their chosen hacks. Scurvy Trek is the movie that is teaching Hollywood that the geeks and the criticvs are their pay things who they can play to the tune they chose, as long to throuw some little bone. Scurvy Trek teached the Hollywood studios that the quality of a movie doesn't matter anymore. Hype, yes, quality, no. And Scurvy Trek teached Hollywood how cheap the geeks and the critics sell their asses.The movie irritates me, but the geeks blind acceptance breaks my heart.
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I agree.
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The Moby Dick effect. No one gave a shit about that book back then. Van Gough either. What happens in 200 years when all of the sudden people study the master works of J.Lo's movies in high school?
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Stick to your guns, man. I despised Spider-Man. A lot of people like it, though, and I'm not going to insult them for something they genuinely enjoyed.
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Sep 17, 2009 3:41:28 PM CDT
Scurvy Trek teached the Hollywood studios that the quality of a
by series7
Yeah thats a fucking useless argument right there.
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Nailed it. Thank you.
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Actually, yes, it's math equations, your brain worked by doing maths and calculus all the time, only its not the maths you learned at school. Our brains are, LITERALLY, computing devices.And no,l appreciating art is not just having emotional ractions. real art appreciation is not soemthing that's out of some melodrama soap-opera bulslhit. Only having emotional responses is the Way Of The Dumb. holywood exploits that, of course,and encourages that, so they can have their work cut out, and stop doing the really heavy liftting. And the geeks are all swallowing it like it's lemonade. As evidenced by the strange absurd sucess that Scurvy Trek has on the geekdom.
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I don't see much resemblence between the two? I agree more with the term Jar Jar Trek.
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When is the last time I brought in Emotion? I said you should have an "Emotional reaction" to film. That is the point of art, to cause you to feel something. It is not completely an intellectual exorcise where you go "Wow. He really knew how to get a lot of coverage for this scene." No, you are expected to FEEL for a character and be invested in a movie.
Our entire debate is the idea that film can or cannot be a subjective medium; meaning, does your personal influences, background, beliefs or things you have seen prior not influence the way you view a film? Or can you look at something completely analytical and logical.
The problem with the logical approach is many times you miss the forest for the trees. Think of the episode of ST:TNG when Data wrote a poem. It had everything a great poem should have, but it was missing something. What was it missing? That intangible part that makes connection to it on an emotional level.
That isn't something you can quantify and prove with numbers or science (well, maybe psychology to a degree) otherwise Data would have gotten it. No, that is something you feel, and since each person feels something differently they bring in their own biases and experiences to see if they can relate to it, which makes it a subjective thing.
You can judge the FORM of a piece of art very easily (which is what Data did), but you can't judge it's CONTEXT that easily (which is what Data failed to grasp).
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My biggest gripe with STAR TREK VI was when they turned Kirk into an angry bigot for the first 2 acts. I never felt that was a believable arc for him, even with the death of his son as a motivation. There was no foundation for Kirk being a racist. And TREK V showed him being a peacemaker, which is more true to his character anyway. There was a great quote about Kirk somewhere, I don't know if it came out of a Peter David comic or elsewhere, but it basically said of him "He looks at an alien and he sees what we all have in common, he does not pay attention to the skin color or the antennae, etc." (paraphrasing). All that being said, I still enjoyed TREK VI (subjectively). :)
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I have many problems with Spider-Man 1 too. But i love Spider-Man 2.
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"The moon's a stairway to heaven." Or something like that anyway. Yack do you agree that the scene where Sybok forces Spock and McCoy to face their pain and Kirk refuses is an excellent scene?
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sad pathetic little bastards...discussing movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop talking about...PHANTOMS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER!!!!paraphrased from kevin smith
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THis talkback's reaching for the stars - 1200 posts and counting!
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Just by presenting another argument doesn't mean anything. Just because you expect every movie to be pefect in your own little world means only that. Also art is not math, that's why they are two different colleges. They fire different aspects of the brain, in your logic everyone has the same brain. Would you chastise a mentally handicapped person for loving Star Trek? Or an idiot savant who's smart as shit in math, but watches Jar Jar Trek 30 times a day?
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He looks at every alien, and wonders how tight their females' vaginas are. That is all he cares about.
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I thought the form of Abram's Trek was appalling, completely uncinematic. No memorable compositions, basically a multi-million pound TV episode. I wish I could get into it more deeply but there is a 10 second delay between me typing and my words appearing. To be continued...
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Brother- honestly, you're not wrong but you have to see that Conti is making a good point. I agree that our minds make calculations when we process things, but we each have our own individual calculators, weighting different variables at different values, ignoring some that others would include. You and I are perfect examples of this with Jar Jar Trek (can't believe you got me saying that title).
Anyway, we all use our own criteria. Therefore, we all come out with different conclusions. That's IDIC baby- infinite diversity in infinite combinations. It's a good philosphy... a logical one. -
Stupid fucking enter button!! I was trying to say that is where I think Asi is wrong. On one hand, everything that occurs makes history. On the orther hand not everything that occurs matters. This movie is not as important as you think. Already the mainstream is moving on. the paraphernalia that was a part of the merchandising and publicity is being pulled from shelves. I think even you have said that it didn't make the money Paramount had hoped so it didn't teach them any lesson about the film other than what has been known for 30 plus years: That it's a reliable franchise that isn't necessarily in the blockbuster category. it has a rabidly loyal fanbase but it isn't a universally beloved product. it's importance to the future of films is marginal at best.
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is because it avoided their worst fears. This could have and should have been the kiss of death for Abrams. Rebooting something so fiercely beloved and defended even revered by some of the most viciously loyal fans ever. With expectations lowered they came away surprisingly unoffended. I doubt that there are many or any trekkies who think it was a masterpiece. But, it held it's own and was entertaining and that was more than any Trek-starved fan could ask for.
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It is part of the Context. Both have the word text in them.
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It was the redeeming moment for me, to see those actors knocking the ball around. And what a satisfying end, when Sybok leaves, to take McCoy and Spock with him and gets bitch-slapped by the Big 3. And Luckinbill's face was perfect- he was like "Yeah, these fucking dudes are better than me."
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"does your personal influences, background, beliefs or things you have seen prior not influence the way you view a film?"Yes."Or can you look at something completely analytical and logical."Yes too.Both are right. And this is where intelctual honesty plays it's card. movies are OBJECTIVE ralities because they exist, they are there. You will understand a movie's quality or lack of depending of your intellectual honesty. You have enough of that, and it's much of aproblem when you can see how a movie is good or bad. The indicators are quite clear. It's only you you have A VERY SPECIFIC view of movies, that when the rpbem sets in. Like, how some people can only enjoy very fast paced action movies with lots of explosions, or very easy to understand stories that play to old cliches. Can this people be said to have the same accesement of quality? No, they don't. They have tunnel vision. This is what you call your "subjective" thingy. One needs more then that, or else you are merely a slave to your own passions and provincial views.
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is that math is the same throughout the universe. It is a constant that does not change. Art is a matter of taste. And opinion. It changes from person to person.
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You people slam EVERY movie that comes out. Eff this shit. You're not in charge of Trek.
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facing their pain,was one of the best moments in the film.and after a while,shatner fucks it with scotty hitting his head on the corridor.
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I'm pretty sure Kirk is not to worried about tightness.
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Man, that's nonsense. You know what i expect from a movie? Not to be stupid, ad to not insult th audience's intelligence. It's the only thing i expect from a movie. not too much, is it?Yes, it's that simple. And you know what Scurvy Trek did? It is stupid and audience insutlting to a level not found outside of a Michael Bay movie. You want to know why i hate it? That's it.
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Absolutely spot on. It was exactly this kind of drama I felt was missing from JJ's Trek. Glad you appreciate that scene.
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Sep 17, 2009 3:59:53 PM CDT
"You mean you staged all this to get your hands on my ship?"
by yackbacker
I love when Shatner/Kirk is so full of himself that he gives up the whole "Chekov is Captain" ruse. Sybok is like "Oh, trickt motherfucker!" Kirk, the supercops story was WORKING! Dude!
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intellectually stimulating movies AND movies with explosions? (Assuming both are well made). I consider myself one of those people, by the way. If an action movie is slickly made with characters I care about, then I'll enjoy it. If a movie can intellectually stimulate me, like Sunshine or No Country For Old Men, I'll buy the DVD and watch it endlessly.
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Do you have an answer for my last post Re: your objectivity?
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"Can this people be said to have the same accesement of quality? No, they don't. They have tunnel vision. This is what you call your "subjective" thingy. One needs more then that, or else you are merely a slave to your own passions and provincial views."
Do you think we only enjoy action movies? It sounds like you need to go into a middle school somewhere in middle America and hunt down all the kids who say Star Trek and explain your problems with the movie then. Because you just explained most of us. Most of us can enjoy shit from Brunel to Micheal Bay, we can take each film subjectivly and grade its enjoyment on its own merits. Your just barking up the wrong tree. -
and drops a "FUCK YOU ALL!!" bomb every once in a while.
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but keep up your conversation guys.i find it highly interesting,as long as u keep it civilized.
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Was when Kirk takes back the bridge and he decides "Let's go check it out." Of course the movie had to go there, but the boyish curiosity if it all was great. He could have thrown Sybok in the brig, or at least had a scene where they talked about it, etc. But that's not STAR TREK. Maybe Sisko or Picard would have done that shit, but my boy Kirk wants to get his boots dirty and get down to meeting God- who he sasses in the classic "What does God need with a starship?" scene. Notice how protective Abrams-Spock is of his mother in the new movie? That was Shatner-Kirk with his ship. The brother was POSSESSIVE!!!
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Sep 17, 2009 4:03:51 PM CDT
FUCK! I JUST AGREED WITH ASIMOVLIVES!!!!!!
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Post Title: "What did i liked about Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy Trek?"Agreement Percentage: 94%Result: Shock
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the Emergency Medical Hologram on Voyager sang beautifully!
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If art is such a matte rof taste, when how can you explain that i can find something made in Japan beautiful ad pleasant? I mean, according to the "subjective" bullshit, i shouldn't be able to enjoy something from Japan, because, like it's so subjective to Japan and not to me.I'd like for the subjective guys to explain to me why i can love a korean movie so much. Yeah, can anybody explain me how i love so much a movie like Oldboy? I mean, it's korean, it's subjective to korea, the movie was made by a korean and the story was made with strict notions of morality that are particular to koreans. and yet i understood the movie wholesome, i felt an enourmous amount of empathy for the characters, and and i loved it immensely.So, can anybody explain me how can that happen when subjectivity is such the biding force in all things that are art and mvoies? Can anyobdy present me a reasonable explanation for that?
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Final Frontier is ass, but that remains one of my favorite Kirk lines of all time.
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Jar Jar Abrams is only as big as his last movie. and he needs, desperatly, for the next Trek to be huge. His career is completly dependent on that. And unlike Christopher Nolan, he has no art-house credentials to fall back on.
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"They have tunnel vision. This is what you call your "subjective" thingy. One needs more then that, or else you are merely a slave to your own passions and provincial views."
This from a man who continues to rag on JJ's START TREK despite the fact that it has gotten generally good reviews.
Perhaps you should realize that you being Objective, is really you just being subjective and projecting a lot of negative preferences and passions onto the film. -
Because you fucked your daughter. I'm sorry it was too easy.
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Have you even seen Star Trek yet?
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I ask, and i repat my previous post, how can anybody explain, through subjectivity, how i can enjoy and love a korean movie. I'd like to see how subjectivitty will answer that.
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Absolutely, Kirk's enthusiasm at that point is contagious. Shit, i'll have to watch V again now.
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Asimovs Unite. Form of a giant robot AsimovLives that destroys al Jar Jar apoligisers and Emo Trek defenders!
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Saying OLD BOY is merely a S.Korean film does not account for the genre of film it is- a modern-day revenge tale. That genre translates over cultural boundaries. Subjectivity does not mean everything is in sealed compartments from one another. There are aspects to all works of art that have some root in a genre or tradition. The ones that eschew those traditions are the more avant garde works and they generally have the hardest time meeting general praise. That's where subjectivity is most easily understood as affecting a work's reception.
Being from different cultures doesn't preclude you from enjoying things beyond your own traditions. Lots of cultures eat shrimp, others don't. Why the difference? Religion, access to the food, necessity, etc. who knows? People bheave differently in many ways, within a culture and within a town and within a family, it's apparent at varying levels. And people see things differently too, not ENTIRELY differently across the board, but differently nonetheless. IDIC!!!! -
as i mentioned earlier,shatner does know what st is all about.when he says that,he epitomizes the: 'where no man has gone before' thats the essence of st.
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Film is a completely universal medium. It has been for almost 100 years. Many of the same techniques, storylines, plot devices, etc. have been transported all over the world because other countries have watched American movies and other countries films, just like we have been influenced by their films. Because of that we have a lot more common ground when it comes to the medium than say we did with music over 100 years ago (what critic would say that a Afghani singer was equal to an Opera singer back then?).
But if you want to talk about subjectivity, have you ever seen a film from Ghana? Where a man faces against witches and prays for help from God and a LASER literally shoots out of his hands. You can say it is a bad movie, and it is because it doesn't follow our aesthetic taste, but you can just as easily say "I don't fucking get it" because you don't live in a land were they still believe in the invisible world. It is a bad movie by our definitions, but to the people of Ghana, including the critics, it fulfills everything they need in a movie. -
that objectivly we subjectivly are realtively on opposite sides of the sbjective/objective/intersubjectiv issue?
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That means you have no answer for that question, right? that's the bitch about being such a groupie for subjectivity.
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Or aesthetics amongst art forms, but are those things that popped up spontaneously (as if they are part of nature's plan) or did the evolve over time and were transported amongst each other.
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Kirk doesn't care about how tight they are. Only about how many holes they have.
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You like Oldboy because you fucked your daughter so you can releate to it. Subjectivity refers to a person's perspective or opinion, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. Or you want to hammer a bunch of dudes in a hallway.
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You know a true TOS fan can kick back and enjoy TREK V, warts and all. "No thanks, I'll take the next car." I miss DeForest Kelley.
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The Genesis Planet and the Vulcan mysticism were all TREK conceits. I actually like TREK III a lot, I think it's Shatner's best overall acting in any of these movies.
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Sep 17, 2009 4:18:48 PM CDT
What is needed is a common language - the Interobjectivity
by toadkillerdog
Asi beleives he has an objective viewpoint and that it is superior to anyone else's subjective viewpoint )or their objective one). But in reality his is a self-determined objectivity that is neither objective (who gave him the right to be the only objective voice, where does he derive this authority from?) or superior. However, we can come to an agreement about how we judge movies, and that can become our baseline objectivity. Someone mentioned Battlefield Earth. That is the perfect launching point
Lets say we have a graph that represents the most commonly agreed upon best and worst movies in the science fiction genre over the past 40 years. One the left would be Star Wars (the best) on the right would be Battlefield Earth (the worst). But we also need a median point. A movie that has great contention amongst genre fans. Some love it. Some think it is over rated and boring. I nominate Children of Men as that median. Now, the question is: What side does JJ Star Trek fall on? Is it to the left of CoM (closer to Star Wars) or to the right of CoM (closer to Battlefield Earth)?
I'll start. I think CoM, while ambitious and well written was only a fair to middling movie because of pacing issues and it bored me, so just from a rewatchability stand point I would put Star Trek to the left of it. Let the baseline begin. -
Only people who grew up with them like them. It is only SLOWLY getting into the rest of the world. But that section of the world LOVES bollywood films. I've seen a couple, they are ok, pretty lame. So does that make that whole culture wrong? Is Amitabh Bachchan not good enough to be a star?
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Sep 17, 2009 4:19:15 PM CDT
If a tree fals in a forest and noone is there to here it
by asimov_lives
except for AsimovLives does that mean that he subjectivly hears it or does it make an objectiv sound?
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"Film is a completely universal medium."That's an objective acessmentn. and that was the very thing i was wiating for you to say. Because that's it, you just said it, there's objectivty in movies. Your "subjectivity" thingy falls down to the groud right from the start.Movies are universal because they connect to universal truths in all of us. That's objective.and let me tell you this, if you do not get a movie, you are wrong about it, your opinion about is wrong. There's no subjectivity about this, there's only an objective reality: you didn't get it, and anything you think of it will be based on an erroneous presuption, you will be wrong. Plain basic objective truth. There.
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That's easy: Because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Art and beauty are not the same thing AND can ultimately be the same. Even some things that the majority finds hideous can be art. Avante garde music or neo-cubism normally lay outside the taste of the masses but they are unquestionably art. It is not appearance that makes art, it is substance.
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Asimov_Lives who are you dude??!!
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Sound is result of shockwaves propagates by the atmosphere. therefore, there's no need to be anybody there for the sound to exist. That's the objective truth.
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Asimov_Lives I only ask as a fan of your original appearance in the Pedalback.. I personally thought that was one of the most inspired moments in AICN history.
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I thought i was u!
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We're constantly changing, aging, re-ordering our priorities, etc. There are songs, movies, shows that I used to love that I think are shit now. Just as there are works of art I didn't like years ago that I embrace today. There are too many factors within the individual human brain to create a workable baseline of any consequence. Some people like the smell of farts! That's subjective right there!
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I liked that movie, fuck you. Imposter is worse.
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Much aprishiated.
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If beauty is inthe eye of the beholder, and an korean movie, which is made SPECIFICALLY AND ONLY for koreans, how come i can enjoy one? How came i can love one? how the hell will subjectivity explains that, since subjctivity would say, wha'ts korean is korean, and what's portuguese is portuguese. And yet, this does not happen, when i love a korean movie. Explain the subjectivity in that.
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This is the time and the place for the reveal, no?
You'll get applause from this dojo at least.
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Asimov, is exactly what allows you to like any film. YOU like it. Subjectively. Doesn't matter where, how, or who made it. Those are objective aspects. You subjectively like the content so you like it. Right?
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Can we instead make it not single line to Star Wars and Battlefield Earth, but instead make it a center point that breaks between good and bad, Science Fiction vs. Sci-F.
For Good Science Fiction our pinnacle would have 2001: A Space Oddessy. For Good Sci-Fi the pinnacle would be Star Wars.
For Bad Sci-Fi the nadir would be Battlefield Earth, and for Science Fiction it would be Soderbergh's Solaris (pretentious as hell).
That way there is no debating about the films intention (being serious or just fun), we can judge them not only being good or bad but also if they are serious science fiction of just sci-fi fun, and, plus I like to make graphs and the more directions we have the better. -
Never saw Impostor, i fear to see a bad movie adaptation of a Philip K. Dick movie, you know what i mean?
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we transcend the individual eggo and join the collektiv consciouwsness threw medication.
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No, man you got it wrong. The thing is, according to subjectivity, a portuguese like me would never like or connect to a korean movie made DELIBERATLY AND ONLY FOR a korean audience. How can subjectivity explains that me, from a different culture, can enjoy the same movie a korean does? How does subjectivity explains that?
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I love them. Yum!!
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ther is a change or somthing lik that.
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is that you believe the movie was made for Korean's only. If it was, how were you watching it? Aren't you afraid that the korean's might want to punish you for viewing their "Korean only" intellectual and artistic work? no, of course not. it's like saying how can the whole world like westerns when they are an American form. Or how can the world eat sushi when it is Japanese? did you find the Korean movie beautiful? Is there in truth no beauty?
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I am wen you see himnext.
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And yet there's westerners who love Bollywood movies while there's indians who hates them. Explain why, subjectively.
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i always was wondering why it was considered a failed one.it had action,drama,all the crew members had their big moment,the ethics of science,the vulcan mysticism and one of the best scenes ever filmed in a star trek movie:
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Yeah I've never read any of his stuff. But I just started Androids dream of sheep the comic which is a word for word of the book i think.
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Otherwise, why was it distributed worldwide? Why was it entered into international film festivals? For the S. Koreans living abroad? Nah man... they knew we'd like that movie.
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What the heck does that mean? Anybody can watch any film they want to any time? Anyone can find value in any work of art from any period in history, from any context, from any culture. That I believe is one of the primary aspects of subjectivity. What are you talking about?? Are you sure you understand what subjective means?
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Asimov_Lives you can tell me your 'regular' name or not...
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You've spouted a lot of philosophical debate but none of it has actually explained why Star Trek is a bad movie.
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That it followed KHAN and people wanted more of a circus/action flick. It was nothing of the sort, the action was there but it wasn't the focus. I do love when Sulu says to Kirk "We have cleared space doors," and Shatner just stares ahead at the screen with the James Horner march going full blast. Fuck me, that's an awesome scene.
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Like minds. Hey, you're okay, pal.
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Conti, science fiction nadir SOLARIS. Yes. What a nonsense.
30 minutes ago I just finished watching THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL with Keanu and Connelly. Sorry but that also goes on the list of shame. What an overblown bag of shit with people making nonsensical decisions at every turn and trite philosophizing. If you aint seen it yet then.. dont bother! -
That's wehre you are wrong. THe korean mvoies are made ONLY FOR THE KOREAN MARKET. It was only very late that they discovered that there was an international interest in their movies. The koreans couldn't even understand, at the begining, how this could be. Koreasn reckoned that, since their mvoies were made VERY DELIBERARLY bout the realities of korea, and only had in mind the korean audiences, they were flabesgasted that soembody from outside could love any of their movies. Even today, they are still very suprised a western might know one of his movies, much less liking them.Korean mvoies arew made ONLY for the domestic market. That people outside korean can love this VERY KOREAN movies is something the koreans are still trying to grasp at. When Oldboy was selected to be in Cannes, nobody could believe how that could be, what could the westerns see in it? When the movie won the palm d'or, nobody in korean could beleive their eyes.So, again, i ask you how, I, a portuguese, can love a korean movie, according to subjectivity.
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Yes i have, in dozens of other talkbacks, and in hundreds of other posts, and i wrote thousands of words on it. No, make that dozen thousands words about it. It would literally fill a book. Too bad you came late to the party, but if you want to do some archological diggings at the past AICN talkbacks, be my guest.
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Has just heard about the rest of the world?
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Please bash them in the face.
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Asi stop being a wind-up. A good film is a good film regardless of the country of origin.
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according to subjectivity, because you like flashing lights and they make a movie about flashing lights. What is your definition subjectivity?
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Subjectivity refers to a person's perspective or opinion, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. It is often used casually to refer to unsubstantiated personal opinions, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs. In philosophy, the term is often contrasted with objectivity.[1
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what the Korean only principles in that film are. Specifically. Because fundamentally you and I can't even discuss this issue intelligently at this point.
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"Anyone can find value in any work of art from any period in history, from any context, from any culture. That I believe is one of the primary aspects of subjectivity."Wrong, it's the primary aspect of objectivity. In subjectivity, you would be a slave to your own time, culture and even family group and absolutly nothing else. You couldn't connect with anything outside your imediate sphere. And that is absolute bullshit in regard to human beings... well, except those neo-con evangelical fundamentalists.
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that's the colloqual definition, which, like all colloqual definitions, ar enot only limited, they are deturpation of the real definition. It's like the coloquial definition for theory, it's complete bullshit and wrong for the real definition of that word.
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And no matter how many words you write, you will not be able to prove that Star Trek sucks, because you are attempting to disprove opinions of a piece of entertainment, and that is a futile endeavor.
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You are not making ANY sense. I don't know why I'm so frustrated by this. You are creeping me out. Enjoy.
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Tell me Webster. You sound like my philosophy teacher, when talking about Kant how he asked us to explain what he meant about the maximum of ones maxim. I said that you should be as happy as you can be and he said well yes that’s correct but you can't say it so simply. Um yes you can. When you overindulge yourself with the definition of something you will never find an answer.
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there ar emany peculiarities among the korean movies. They have their own buddhist morality about them, which is many tiems explored in horro movies. they do that in a way that's quite different from japanese and chinese. They tend to be more solem, even in their comedis, while japanese tend to go goofy.Mostly, koreans like to play more low key, even when they decide to blow the shit out of the henhouse. Koreans do make their movies their own way, designed to please their own native audience. so, would it be a mere accidental that i would like a movie from korea? No, it's not accidental. there's nothing subjective about that.The real answer is that subjectivity cannot explian why i like a korean movie, a good korean movie. I like a good mvoie for the same reason i like a good chinese, good american, good french movie. Because there's an universality to good movies that surpass frontiers, cultures and personal preferences.
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I'm creepying you ut because i'm challenging a pre-conception you have which you never challenged, which you alwawys took for granted, and worst, you took for granted a colloquial and wrong definition, in the strict sense of the notion. Trust me, i've been there. I had to learn about this stuff in college.
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Heh? OK, that didn't make any sense. You backtracking or something?
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That since Koreans only make movies based on their culture due to the fact that I didn't grow up in their culture I could not enjoy them using subjectivity. So when did subjectivity become only culturally based?
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i'm seeing the minds of my fellow geeks spiraling out of control. This stuff can make one go in a solipsistic mind trip. I'd say, let's stop this right now, and just concentrate on the real subject at hand here.: why Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy Trek sucks so much ass. That's were the fun is.
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you did not cite anything exclusive to Korean film-making that would be foreign to a non-Korean audience. "Low Key" is not a Korean-only conceit. Neither is solemnity. You just described Bergman. The French make their movies in their own way. So do the Indians. "Slumdog Millionaire" anyone? So I submit to you once again what there is about that particular film that you find non-universal in it's message or execution?
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Aaaaaaaaaww shit!!!! Is that where you learned how to spell?
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I've spent entirely too much time on here. I like the movie, can't wait to buy the Blu-Ray. Have fun trying to disprove my opinion.
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It's 11:00 PM here, and tomorrow is still a working day. I'm going to check out soem more TOS 3rd season episodes, before getting some shut eye. Been fun chatting with you guys, see ya tomorrow. and Conti, regardless of what we said to each other, i still like you and you are one of the cvool guysin my book. in fact, in this last hour there was only cool guys here. I salute you. See ya tomorrow.
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the spelling post. You just make me so mad sometimes!!! (Subjectively)
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I win! (that's a joke for all the trolls)
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That was intense.
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"if you do not get a movie, you are wrong about it, your opinion about is wrong. There's no subjectivity about this, there's only an objective reality: you didn't get it, and anything you think of it will be based on an erroneous presumption, you will be wrong. Plain basic objective truth. There."
Ok, so what makes you the bastion of objective truth, as toadkillerdog asked? What is your impeccable credentials that makes your opinion so flawless?
Film is a universal medium, but human EXPERIENCE is not universal. How you react to a said piece of art is how you have been pre-conditioned to react. I believe it was Jean-Luc Goddard who said "You can only take out of a film what you bring into it" (yeah, what did fucking Goddard know).
So are you some fucking ubermensch that is not influenced or affected by his environment? No, I don't think so, because everyone is effected by his own personal biases and feelings. Fucking Andre Bazin was heavily influenced by his belief in the auteur theory and you can see it in his “objective” opinions. Can you say you are also not influenced by your personal opinions or beliefs?
Film and movies have been seen all over the world, and the number one movies seen have been American. That means that people have been INFLUENCED overwhelmingly by American style films. That mean the basic grammar of films (the reverse shot, the reaction shot, the establishing shot, three act structure, etc.) from Western films is pretty much the norm.
But guess what, that is only the FORM of movies, not the CONTEXT. The context is completely dependent on people’s backgrounds and personal experiences.
The reason you can appreciate a Korean film isn’t because of some universal scientific unbreakable law, it is because A) Korean films are made with the same film grammar as American and European films, which is the default language of film; B) That there is something in the film that you appreciate and can relate too, despite the differences in cultures. Most likely because most filmmakers dwell on UNIVERSAL THEMES (revenge, love, war, greed, etc.); and C) you have WATCHED FOREIGN FILMS BEFORE, meaning you have a deeper understanding of them and appreciation for them than maybe someone who has not seen them. It is part of the thing that makes it subjective, your personal experience (in this case, the fact you have seen foreign movies).
And if film is so objective, then why is it that the Indian film critics have a completely different top 100 movie list than the American or European critics. You can say it is them showing a “preference” for a certain type of film, but they would find it condescending and laugh at anyone who didn’t put PYAASA as one of the greatest films ever made.
We all know how to read English and have a basic understanding of spelling and grammar (that is the FORM) it doesn’t mean we will all appreciate the same short stories or will all have the same reaction for a piece of literature. That is the CONTEXT. We can marvel at the words and the use of language, and if they connect with the story and make us feel good than Context and Form have worked together. But if we do not feel any connection, that it doesn’t work on us, it might be because we do not have it in our background to enjoy the story or appreciate it.
And we are not talking about the films of some guy on Youtube who doesn’t understand the basic methods of filmmaking. You are not criticizing JJ for not knowing film language (he knows what a close up is, the 180 rule, to have establishing shots, how to pace the film), you are critiquing him for his aesthetic taste and his story telling. That isn’t complaining about how the sentence was written, that is complaining about what he wrote.
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...hope u havent kill each other until then :P
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Conti, 662.
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You will List long, and (read) Prospero.
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When I brought up the fact that your personal background has an influence on what you like or dislike. AsimovLives said that is Cultural Relativism; I replied that cultural influences play a part in your subjective viewpoint because that they shape your opinions just as much as your family, social status, background, school, education and what films you have scene.
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You and Jarv KNOW this to be true.
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Sep 17, 2009 5:39:44 PM CDT
Besides we know what Mammaries fave Korean flicks REALLY are-
by sal_bando
Pulgasari, Yongary and A*P*E*. That one esp. is a fave of his. He likes the infamous Battering Ram Scene(TM), the Tow Cow(TM) and the 3-D papier-machete rocks on wires. Gets ya right THERE.
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He sat there...mind racing, names, places, favors owed...; this aggression would not stand, he would have his day, but where to start...."Where too Mr. Nimoy" voiced the driver, "Home..." Leonard spoke quickly...."No...forget that...take me to Van Nuys Airport". The driver gave an affirmative and pulled away from Leonards worst nightmare come true..."Yes...no time to waste" he thought; there were too many questions...Who had told Abrams and Orci about his weakness...it had to be someone close, a friend, a co-worker...They knew exactly where to strike, exactly how to bring his guard down..."a mans taste for hard drugs and young flesh isn't shared with casual aqaintences" thought Nimoy..."no....it was someone close." Raising the black compartment partition...Leonard then pulled the flask from his coat...it had been decades since he had had a drop, but he kept the full flask of Old Crow with him at all times...to remind him of the battle, to remind him he had control...a symbol of his victory over alcohol, so close yet not needed. He stared at it for a long time, through the pass and down into the valley the car moved..almost to the airport "Mr. Nimoy" the intercom droned..."Time to cash in my chips...time to visit..'Old Friends' he mused with a smirk, and cracking the flask took his first sip of the devil within...it felt like fire after all these years...hot as satans piss...he felt the warmth run through him and placing the cap back on, thought of revenge. He exited the car and strode into the Corporate Air terminal..."I need to get to Kentucky..right away." he ordered throwing his black Amex on the counter."That felt bad Bob...I wish we hadn't had to do it" JJ said without looking at his minion. "Man up motherfucker...you were right there when we planned this shit, you knew the old fuck would never agree too two...it was...necessary...and honestly..I fucking love it" Orci was reclined in one of the black leather couches in JJs office...a beautific smile plastered across his face..., he pulled the tooter from his pocket and inhaled deep. "Besides...what can he do..he is fucking Jurassic..and we..have..the video." he chuckled to himself. "What if he goes to the press...tells them it is faked...all CGI...they might believe him!" JJ lamented. "What the FUCK is wrong with you man...you can't CGI that kinda shit...besides, even if he did...those fucking nerds would pick his story apart...those fuckers can tell CGI from honest to Fuck Pedophile Zooiphilia...The know a real dogs dick when they see it..fuck, don't you ever talk to these ppricks? JJ SIghed....I hope you are right Bob...he seemed pretty upset...pretty determined...I'm kinda nervous..."Hey FUcker" yelled Orci.."No going back now...we have a fucking movie to make..and without him we have no fucking movie...get it...Lens flares and Saldanas ass won't be enough to fill the seats..and they expect several percent over last time." "MAybe YOU are willing to give this shit all up...but I am NOT going back to writing FUCKING XENA....you hear me JJ!", "I love you man...and I owe you for putting me here when nobody else would...but We are in this shit together...so get over it and fucking enhoy the ride" Orci finished his diatribe as the door opened..."Hello Gentlemen...am..I ....Interupting" said a voice full and deep......
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I had to look into this because all this science crap you guys are throwing around is giving me a headache LOL...."Subjectivity refers to a person's perspective or opinion, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. It is often used casually to refer to unsubstantiated personal opinions, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs. Subjectivity may refer to the specific discerning interpretations of any aspect of experiences. They are unique to the person experiencing them, and are only available to that person's consciousness." Enough with all the scientific babbling ok guys? Asimov-how have you been dude? As soon as I saw this post on here I knew you would be diving head first into it LOL. I have resisted getting into it but had to throw in my 2 cents LOL. Haven't been on too much lately because I started a new job and have been concentrating on that.
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...I'm chiming in again.Based on the LA Times article, JJ really does seem to be going for a whole new direction and tone. This should mean that Spock/Quinto will receive considerable screen time. It'd be great to see Nimoy will return to add the gravitas with dialogue along the lines of "There was a dream that was the Federation..."
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And it's a DOOZY!!!!!!!
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Just wanted to piss everyone off with the screen name. Geeks are so fucking funny when they get mad!
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Subjectively, it rocks.
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It's an objective fact.
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Beastie Boys will even be still popular 1000 years from now! (I'm Mike D and I rock the block! I'm MCA and he's the King Ad-Rock!)
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A brilliant man of few words.
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...to add the gravitas..."
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Four key words stand out regarding his goals for the next film -"spectacular," "entertaining," "moving," and "truths."In light of his allegory focus, this sounds like BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR, 300 and to an extent, I, ROBOT territory for sure.
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How bout a story where we cave in to the Klingons and give up our photon torpedo protection shield system and get absolutely nothing in return and hope that the gesture will be seen as good faith but instead its seen as a lack of political will and extreme weakness and the Klingons become more aggressive and the rest of the galaxy thinks we are a paper tiger that wont fight if attacked. Now that would be making a story on todays issues.
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Was a great fucking movie.
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I mean, you asshats see an dangerous socialist conspiracy in the President giving a "Hey kids, study hard and don't to drugs" speech to school kids. Just don't pay to see any movie not starring Kirk Cameron or Stephen Baldwin. Save the rest of us from your incessant whining.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/keep-fucking-that-chicken_n_289546.html
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The Federation 'elect' a president who looks like J Fredd Muggs, has a 14 IQ and who decides to attack the Rumulans just because those Blue skinned guys w/ the white hair just blew up Mercury. The Romulans HATE the blue skinned guys and had nothing to do w/ it, but shit, you need a distraction and your Darth-Vader like pasty White draft-dodging VP is really at the controls--you go for it and so the attack on Romulus is on. Then while THIS is all shitting the bed, a couple years down the pike, Space-hurricane (I made this up-Space ANOMALY) Palin Trashes the Cajun Colony on Mars. Your retarded horse-raising crony fucks things up even more, but remember-he's doin' a great job... Oh and the Federation economy tanks in your last 6 months of being in office. Waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy to fuckin' GO there-Clownie. Gag.
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hows it going?
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Because, in part, Kristen Kreuk is objectively perfect. But let's be honest, Michael Clarke Duncan as Balrog was perfect casting.
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having a go at Trek lol. As soon as I saw that headline. Did you check out my replies to your posts on that old star wars talkback dude?
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myself watch that pos or Dragonball. But tell me, is the Kris Klein performance as unintentionally funny as they say? Should I watch it for that?
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would work? Trek has always had such a stigma to it. Most people I know wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. Its just seen as too dorky, and it does nt help that its almost virtually unknown in many parts of the world. Asia is a major market for film, and trek basically does nt exist here. Here in Korea The new trek was called Star Trek:the begining, because its the first trek movie to ever have a theatrical release here. And you can not find any trek here on dvd. I have also never seen it in Japan or China. And I have looked....
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Damn you Fox News! She was one of the good ones!
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was dumb, I did like the actors, and I liked the pace and fun of the film, but I do think there is big room for improvement. I am just not sure I can agree with you about making it pure. I think that its appeal has to be broadened if its going to survive, though of course its very argumentative just what form that should take...
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Man, I tried to like the new Trek. But it's just such a shiny bauble all wrapped up for the teenie-bopper iPod set. God forbid you have any important characters above 30 years old. Fuck me.
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Since next TREK will be tackling "modern geo-polical concerns," Greenwood as Admiral Pike is smart as long as JJ let's Greenwood do for TREK what he did for THIRTEEN DAYS.
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So I don't have to sit next to a wingnut in the theater. Thank you!
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....I am ALSO a Graphic Designer who happens to know his fonts....I was being tongue-in-cheek when I said that 'they lost me at the badly redesigned new font'. Of course not....that only happened a little later into the movie, and was due to various hopes and expectations on my part that went unrealised.However, as someone with an interest in the overall look of this big budget 'TOS'-inspired movie reboot, it was unlucky for me that J.J.'s particular 'creative choices' where a lot of it's 'Production Design' was concerned, also turned out to be another aspect that I was disappointed with.As others here have ably suggested, it's all down to every individual's taste and expectations at the end of the day, and my youngest son thought it was great....so what the hell do I know at the end of the day, except that I didn't feel that way.However, although it was not strictly a 'new' font, I still think I'm right about the fact those 3D, metallic-looking, widely-spaced lettering of the new 'Star Trek' titles looked badly redesigned compared to the original, iconic FORWARD-SLANTING, MORE CLOSELY-SPACED yellow/blue font seen throughout the 3 'TOS' series.Why the hell J.J. changed to that from the updated look of the original font that was seen in his 'Superbowl' teaser, is beyond me, but as I agreed, it's all 'subjective', and everyone is welcome to their own view.
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"Modern geo-political concerns" focused TREK should include a war-for-profits and natural resources arc with contract mercs and all.
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Good to see you here. I don't recall off the top of my head what the SW talkback was about- what did you say?
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Sep 17, 2009 9:39:22 PM CDT
AsimovDiedofAids: How about Liberals SHUT THE FUCK UP
by starship captain
What a fucking idiot. You said "you asshats see an dangerous socialist conspiracy in the President giving a "Hey kids, study hard and don't to drugs" speech to school kids."Oh, you mean like the time George Bush senior talked to school kids in order to give a similar speech, and retard Libs went so bat shit crazy that they actually wasted taxpayer money on a Congressional investigation? You mean being an "asshat" LIKE THAT?Liberals, thy name is hypocrisy.So shut the fuck up and go sit in the order while the adults take back the country and put it back on track. Get out of the way and go entertain yourselves mindlessly by watching Obama ass-lickers Olbermann or Maddow. You'll like that, they put on a good show. Odds are tonight they're probably repeating their usual schtick -- which is being whiny little bitches (yet again) about getting their asses totaly kicked in the ratings, including now losing the youth demographic to Fox News TOO.
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and tried to get them to study and stay off drugs. That's great.
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The topic is ... Star Trek.
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Sep 17, 2009 9:51:24 PM CDT
The only time I didn't like when George W. Bush talked to kids
by continentalop
Was when he was reading a book about a goat in front of a class and when news of the attacks on the Twin Towers came in he just sat there and continued with the story.
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Sep 17, 2009 9:51:42 PM CDT
ON SECOND THOUGHT, LOOK HOW GEORGE BUSH SR. RAISED DUBYA
by bringingsexyback
Is he really the one you want talking to kids about education?
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He could've sworn Cheney told him they would strike at 10:00, not 9:00.
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You really need to think before you post. Just a suggestion.
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"... and put it back on track."
Um, douchebag. You had the country for the past 8 years. Who the fuck took it off track to begin with?
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Interesting Talkback with a few interestings statements...OK, tough guy. Why should toadkillerdog and I be banned? Considering the fact that our interaction amounts to about nil, what could I have possibly done to win your unbridled love and admiration?While you're thinking about how best to answer, how about you finally grow some balls and finally come clean about your previous username(s) - (since we seem to have such a contentious past).
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It was just a random mention, that's my theory.
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Why the bickering?
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First of all, I didn't bring up politics. I was responding TO a post about politics. So I had every right to express my opinion. However, I notice that you didn't post earlier and tell AsimovDiedofAids which direction the political talkbacks were in. So I guess Leftists posting their rants are okay with you, but Heaven forbid someone take an opposing viewpoint.Oh yeah, and I loved your last post. "You really need to think before you post. Just a suggestion." Riiiiight. This sage advice coming from the guy who felt a need to post no less than SIX TIMES IN A ROW in response to my one simple post. If someone needs to "think before posting", I think you need to look in a mirror. Maybe next time you can babble less and cut your responses down to only five.
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He'll let you know when he's serious.
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Well, I know he had that blow-out with toadkillerdog. But I have no idea why he would take a shot at me.
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Short bursts, clean shots.
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But I would assume it's just Subs kicking some dust up for fun. He is good peoples. You and toad are good peoples- fucking family at this point. BSB would be family if he'd just answer my calls. QUIT TALKING POLITICS!!! :P
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Lord knows I've tried.
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Yes, and to quote the Shat in STAR TREK II: "But like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target."
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I can't!!! It's everywhere!!!!!!
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And on topic too! Good show, Captain.
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Sep 17, 2009 10:19:05 PM CDT
Dude, are you going to the PARANORMAL ACTIVITY screening?
by yackbacker
They're showing it at the Landmark on Houston. I am thinking of going. Might ask Rickey Henderson if he's game. The downside is its a midnight showing on Thursday 9/24. Capone's article on the front page has all the details.
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"But DON'T YOU _SEE_? Starfleet has been the ones behind EVERY MAJOR VILLAIN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GALAXY. The KLINGONS were never BAD. They were just misundersood. And NOW The Federation is shutting down SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE and forcing people to work for a living! Can't YOU SEE THE EVIL THAT STARFLEET HAS CAUSED? What's that you say? That insane alien horde bent on massive assimilation and the destruction of any thought process but their own? Oh, they're just harmless people trying to make their way! If we negotiate with the Borg, I'm sure they'll UNDERSTAND AND COME TO US HALFWAY! And that Giant Death Laser Cube they've been working on is for peaceful purposes. Sean Penn says so!"
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One was just about tolerable on a good day, when he hasn't got a bee in his bonnet about somthing or other.
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Really? I haven't even checked any talkbacks other than the ones I'm currently spamming. I'll take a look-see ...
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WOW! Ernie Anastos, too much moonshine, bro! Has there been fallout from that yet?
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He wasn't banned was he? Or have they increased his medication?
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http://www.paranormalmovie.com/newyork If you're bringing a guest, you ahve to RSVP that person separately.
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Awww, you guys. **Gives virtual noogie**Yeah, we've definitely got a few regulars here that are my go-to peeps = always interesting, enlightening, and (without a doubt) entertaining.Well, I've definitely kicked up my fair share of Talkback dust. I suppose I'm good for it.
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and apparently it's tickling his brain.
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Is it a sure thing? I gotta ask the ball and chain if she wants to go.
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I don't wanna get political, (especialy on American politics which I don't care much about) but it isn't called "Socialised healthcare". That's a term thought up by opponents of it, intended to scare people & it's passed into common usage over there. They think using the word social, makes it sound a bit like socialist (a bit like when your coutry invented the name viet-cong, because they just thought it sounded threatening & scared people). I worked there as an English Teacher for a while & learned there was no such name. American politicians do that kind of thing a lot. They seem obsessed with propaganda & buzz words that alter people's opinions.
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MNG, I forget whee you live, but you're more than invited too.
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NoVA, just outside of D.C.
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I got a good friend that lives down there. We went to an AC/DC concert back last Winter at the the hockey arena there for the Caps (Verizon center?). All that fucking air guitar tired me out for a week...
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I wish I could see it. But as usual it'll probably arrive in Japan in about 6 months time. The prestige came here about a year a half after everywhere else & if I remember rightly, went straight to DVD. Yet, Transformers opened here first. It's fucked up.
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you really need a blog.
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How would you have made the latest Star Trek, you parameters are the same as JJ in terms of budget, and expectation of a more universal appeal.
Don't just say I wouldn't do what Jar Jar did, tell us what you would do. Avoid using comments like hiring a good director/screenwriter, firstly good is too subjective, and secondly even most directors/screenwriters who have critical success don't alway hit winners. -
You're up to your gills in Japanese schoolgirls. And the latest gadgets.
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They're schoolgirls.
I teach Junior High & Elemtary. I'm on the shortlist for a uni position though. If I get that, I'll have to cvhange my address to quim city. -
Don't like dude, your accent is a big ht over there, am I right? Bale Bless you, sir.
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No one cares about 'Trek' except stereotypical geeks. The entire concept of 'Star Trek' has been dead for years now. It's been dead ever since the thrill of it was a glimpse of Shatner's Pants.
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...is pretty cool and it's in a fairly decent section of DC. (I've seen The Who there a couple of times.) A good buddy of mine was probably at that same AC/DC show - he was trying to rally a crew for the most recent one but I don't know if they met their air-guitar quota.Damn...keep losing my wi-fi connection...
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The beauty of Japan is that you could have the worst accent in the world & they wouldn't know it.
As one of my Japanese colleagues once told me "British people are the same as Americans." When I said "We're a bit different", she was like "Well, you have the same culture & you look & sound the same."
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liberal vs right wing conservative. Both extreme sides on either position are complete idiots if you ask me, and I know no-one did lol...
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happened to your plans to relocate to Korea? Are nt things pretty tough in Japan right now with the economy?
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Is that in American politics, they seem to argue regardless of whether or not their chosen party's stance actually makes any sense. It's like "Ok, the left thinks this, so we should think that." There's never a winner.
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First of all I had a bit of heart trouble that kept recurring, then the salary turned out to be pretty low.
It was probably a good salary for Korea, but I'm thinking of heading home in a year or two & as things stand it wouldn't have been great. I'm still looking there. In fact, it's a national Holiday here 'til next Thursday, so I'm looking for a cheap flight to get over for a few days. -
It seems to never be about the actual issues, just which side someone is on. I dont get it....
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the insane cost of living there. Everything is so much cheaper here....
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there dude?
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But you're right, everything is massively overpriced here. That's why I'm gonna try to go over there in the next few days. I can check out the general cost of living & renting etc (while also drinking myself into a stupor!)
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Because they pay us a lot more than the average salary. But like I said, I don't really know the cost of living in Korea.
I'm applying (although the schools have started while I was sick, so I'll probably be offered the shitty jobs that other guys have left once they got their visas). If I get the uni job here, I'll stay (the money is phenomenal), but if not I'm still looking at Korea, hopefully Seoul. I'll hopefully check it out in the next few days, but I probably won't remember much afterwards:-). -
I'm really enjoying the AsimovLives continentalop back and forth.I'm also enjoying the AsimovLives Clones. But couldn't you guys come up with funnier names? AsimovLivesinacountrywithoutspellcheckAsimovLivesinhismomsbasementSomething like that. Why does he like Korean movies so much? Because he used to call himself memories of murder until he was banned. That's one theory. ;^)And I really wish he'd quit lying about Abrams Trek's box office. Even if you adjust for inflation it's still more successful than ANY Star Trek movie. And while it didn't do Titanic/Dark Knight box office overseas, it did better than any Trek movie ever has. Those are just simple facts that can't be argued. Objectively or subjectively. It passed TMP, Voyage Home and First Contact weeks if not months before its run was over. There were multiple stories about that on the internet.I try not to pick on him anymore. But he's grasping at the foreign box office like it's his last straw, and there are multiple sources to prove him wrong on that one.
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"But Obama's half white..." "Yes. But he's half white ON THE WRONG SIDE!"
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But I sadly think even Kirk would meet his out-talking match with Bill O'Leery or Glenn Dreck.
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this site.
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...even the TBs are complete shit and the last few top TBs prove it. People are really trying to have debates with idiot trolls like AsimovLives and Coughlins Laws. Really? Seriously?I should have jumped ship with the other Balebackers. Jesus BSB I'm surprised you're still around. It's really so boring now. Maybe I'll start posting on aintitbalenews.com with the 5 or 6 other Balebackers there. Gotta be more interesting than this tripe.
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from Won to Yen then Yeah, but thats because the Yen is really overinflated compared to the Won, so it makes it seem like the salary is low. But when you take into account the actual cost of living, and your monthly expenses, its way better than Japan. I found the cost of living in Japan to be just too much.
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Don't think there is nearly the same debate about TF2, because most people agree that its somewhere between crap and average.
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of calling people here idiots, and then suggesting going to aintitbalenews? Is there a bigger joke than that site? A few sad delusional people that actually took the Bale worship thing seriously. Please dont tell me they are still sucking Bale's cock and trying to convince each other that T4 "owned!" because thats just pathetic....
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nk there is a huge amount of debate with TF2, you either liked it or hated it. Trek seems to be having very different reactions fromk many people, especially Trekkies.
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THE FANS DEMAND IT
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how long have you been in Korea ? and is marriage a high chance or are you enjoying just having a gf?
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Hong Kong is the fuckin' business. Great place! I went there last year & it's amazing. Danger's good! Japan's so sterile & safe.
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Enjoyed it. It was on par with X 2. Why this site slammed it so much, I don't know.
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about the most successful well reviewed Trek ever?
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WATCH OUT!!!
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What's your current thoughts on 2?Where do YOU want to go with it?
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Have you thought about my question yet?
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Hi Borci, this will sound like a joke, but this is serious. The answer to this question will give valuable insights into your IQ level & provide the rest of us with a pretty good picture of your general mental state.
So here's the question..
Which hand do you use to wipe your arse? Left or right? Like I said, I know it sounds silly, but just humour me. Which is it, left or right?
I shall eagerly await your reply.
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are you leaning toward Doomsday Machine, Klingon/Romulan war, galactic waterboarding, Guardian of Forever retro-con...What?
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An updated remake of the TOS episode "Spock's Brain" would be sweet....
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been here 3 years now, and yes marriage is a very big chance. Asian women will do that to you, once you ve had Asian theres no going back lol. I personally hate Hk (sorry darkshite) its noisy, polluted and filthy as a sewer, everwhere you go it smells like a toilet, the people are really agrressive almost to the point of overboard...i could go on, but its just not my kind of place, dangers fine, but theres a certain level of civility and hygiene I expect....
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there are some serious ho's there....
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aside from WOK if its that (its just too easy and safe a choice). And what do you think of introducing the Borg into the altered timeline? Think it could work?
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Japan. you have my deepest sympathies having to live in HK. Wild elephants could nt drag me back onto HK island. I will go no furhter than Kowloon....
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I get bored in Japan. I don't know if living there would be different, but it's great to get away from the humdrum, everybody's middle class Japanese lifestyle. It's good to slum it sometimes.
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HK is basically just a giant shopping mall imho. I got bored there because how much shopping can you do exactly, if you are nt a woman that is......
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The point is not that i'm the bastion of truth, but that i make an effort to get to it. The subjectivity groupies don't make the effort, they use excuses like subjectivty to stick to their intelelctual provincialism.I aim for something more.
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dumb down the whole thing.
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Good luck on your new job. Having a money earner this days is pretty fundamental.
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Its interesting think it depends on your lifestyle, whats important to you etc, for me HK is so so, a 6/10, but Japan is a 9/10 place for me. Will be back there some day am sure, with a Japanese wife will make visa's etc not an issue.
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Maybe Bobbo, but that's not mostly due to you or Kuntzman, but instead part of the cast , a bit of J J's"expertise" weighed in and of course there's Nimoy's cameo.As for the writing, Nero was a fucking bore and it's not Bana's fault that he had so little to work with.(Nero's motivation for revenge is familiar to that other ST villian."KHAAAAANNNNN"!!JAR JAR TREK;DOABLE?YES.OVERRATED?AW HELL YEA!
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That would be firmly placing your nose directly up your own rear.
All those big words for a sophisticate like you Asisnob and you still can't type 'am'
You've haven't advanced a single lucid argument why anyone with taste or intelligence can't enjoy JJ's Star Trek. It's just that it doesn't line up with your taste.
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....it would be that Bob's favourite 'Trek' movie is probably 'GENERATIONS'! Because he finally got shot of Kirk and co. and got his beloved NEXT GEN characters on the big screen for the first time...Ignoring the actual quality of the storyline conjured up, a big part of my problem with the 'TOS' reboot is the fact it was concocted by a trio who were more interested in ideas inspired by the offshoot 'Next Generation' series, and 'Star Wars', rather than the 'TOS' series itself.It's a pity that since it was only really the characters from the 'TOS' series that were deemed worthy of a mega-budget relaunch at this point by the studio....that a more 'TOS'-loving creative team weren't involved to begin with. Lord only knows what the sequel will involve, but it's already been hinted that once again, it will NOT be anything to do with 'exploring strange new worlds' or 'boldly going where no man has gone before'....This is just a 'subjective' opinion of my own of course, which means jack shit in the greater scheme of things I know, but there it is.By the way The Dark Shite, give it up. Orci's not gonna say which hand he used, but I reckon he and his buddies were all using BOTH when they came up with this particular scenario for a 'TOS' reimagining....when they really should have been using bogroll like the rest of us!
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Got it in one Cervantes. I'm hoping the bogroll reference is lost on him. But I doubt it. He was never gonna reply anyway though. Too busy begging Bay for more coke. Worth a try!
Stalkeye, I don't even think he was right. I'm pretty sure in terms of the number of people who've watched it & the number of people who love it (critics included), the best reviewed & most successful (long term) is The Wrath of Kahn.
Miyamoto_Musashi, only 6/10 for HK? I loved it. But I just went for 2 days or something. The grass is always greener...
There, I think I caught up.
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Boborci has balls... and we all know how I feel about balls! But seriously, apologize to Nik Meyer and Harve Bennett. :) Respect.
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The Enterprise crew is menaced by a self perpetuating AI that was created by a mad scientist in Portugal in the early 21st Century. Kirk tries to talk it to death but it keeps creating clones of itself. Spock finally defeats it with Logic. And Spellcheck.Subplot: Chekhov falls for a hot young Korean ensign.
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were only there for two days. HK really sucks after that imho. As I said not a whole lot to do other than shop, and go clubbing if thats your thing. Plus how the fuck do you stand the cockroaches? Biggest most aggressive fuckers I have ever seen. And the aparatment areas of Kowloon that look like Bombay?
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ad Korea a 9/10, but HK was a 5/10..tops.
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Never saw any in HK, but I was in a nice hotel & I just had time to see the tourist areas. I did see some pretty fucking huge, insane looking apartment towers from the train though.
I wouldn't live in one of those for a night in Olga Kurylenko.
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....check out how the 'TOS' PRIME Kirk character even manages to STILL live on, even if the 'alternate' one seen in 'GENERATIONS' was not so lucky, lol. Man, all that unneccessary 'timeline altering/universe rebooting' has REALLY confused me now....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JeKeVynbY
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Freudian slip there, douchebag. Now I know, it isn't goats and sheep that you fuck, it's cattle.
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HK island at night. I had to be careful not to step on any, they were really big, plentiful, and not scared of human beings. I accidentaly stepped on several, all you hear is a loud crunch *shudder*. And yeah the apartments IN Kowloon are insane, me and my Korean gf tried going up an elevator for some massages, but it was basically just a wooden box, and as it started to rise it would nt stop shaking badly, we thought we were going to die (the massage parlour was on the 8th foor). So we tried the stairs, but it looked like it was held together with bubblegum. Suffice to say we never did get those massages...lol
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in the old talkback
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....is this the greatest 'alternate timeline' ending to 'GENERATIONS' yet?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5h0BO5O4
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JJ's trek was by no means perfect, no one has ever said this was the case. But my god, it was an amazing fun summer blockbuster.
It was everything star trek should be, anyone who claims to be a fan should understand this. Nobody could have rejuvinated such a dead franchise and made it so massively popular again.
What killed star trek? Seven years of Voyager.
What brought it back? JJ fucking Abrams!
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Now THAT'S a dump! There's a bridge there (or there was) on the main road to the city centre from the ferry terminal. The buses all drive over it. I'm pretty sure it was held up by bamboo sticks.
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For the first time, and I'll be in Tokyo for a week with some friends. Any tips (as in places to go, etc) for maximum debauchery? Or, just stuff in general that I absolutely have to do while I'm there?
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....here's that short 'alternate' ending for 'GENERATIONS'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5h0BRO5O4
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I wouldn't say it "was everything star trek should be". It had the scale that Star Trek always should have had, but it sacrificed a lot of the things that make Star Trek what it is, (plot, the dynamic between the characters etc) in order to introduce the characters to little kids (where the money is).
Make no mistake, they were very clever the way they did it. They found a way to use the age old Star Trek reset button to make a situation where canon was adhered to enough that the old fans can't complain too much, but ultimately, it was a way to jettison everything that came before & introduce the characters to kids who don't know what Star Trek is.
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I can't really help you with Tokyo much. I haven't been for a few years (I hate it there, too crowded), but it's good for a break, so don't let that put you off).
Let's see..debauchery..well, as I recall, Shinjuku is a good place for drinking. Lots of bars & clubs. If you're into "Ladies of the night" you'll like it too. That's not my cuppa, but whatever floats your boat. There are quite a few gay bars there too though, so you might wanna check places before you go in.
Other places, Shibuya & Roppongi come to mind. But generally speaking, Japan's the kinda country where you'll find debauchery pretty much everywhere you go, as long as you're looking for it. -
I've noticed something about you right wingers. If you get in a conversation with a conservative and you say something they disagree with, they don't argue their point in any logical sense, they just start screaming and telling you to shut up. Since most of you remaining far right conservatives are basically rural southern rednecks, I can only assume this phenomenon is to to poor mental development caused by the genetic damage resulting from several hundred years of first cousin marriages and chronic ingestion of deep fried foodstuffs. Now of course I'll be told to shut up because Starship will claim not to be from the Deep South, but from Arizona (heh!). As if that somehow disproves that all Tea Partiers aren't poorly educated, easily duped idiots.
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Except what you call scifi I like to refer to as Science Fantasy. Which nearly all scifi seems to fall into these days. There is very little actual Science Fiction.
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as opposed to towards Battlefield Earth despite my buddy Asimov's convictions.
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If the choice came down to one of the smartest and most respected TB'ers on here - The Canine Toad Murder, or one of the most relentless Troll killers - The Gaius who is Nice, or some cranky old alzheimers addled dude who keeps saying he is leaving the boards forever, only to keep returning like a bad case of the paramecium clap (I had that once and had to soak me ya'yas in turpentine for a week), well I am banning the cranky old dude - since he wants to leave anyway. Give him a pickle and some new false teefis and pat him on the head.
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Yeah, really just looking for some bars and clubs with loose girls (though not of the "Professional" variety) and good music. Thanks for the info.
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Rickey Henderson and I are confirmed for PARANORMAL. The rest is up to you...
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Sep 18, 2009 9:14:24 AM CDT
I cannot be the only one who hopes Bob Orci is let go from this
by smashing
The guy is a hack and got flat put lucky with Trek, his god awful writing on other films should be enough to prove this, he is a write by numbers kind of dude and hopefully Hollywood will wise up to his flim-flam style pretty soon.
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Hey how's it going dude? Yea been a long time since we chatted, like I told Asimov, been busy with a new job so havent had much time to be on here yacking with you fools LOL. Things are going fine though, how is all with you? Oh btw, saw the Avatar trailer, was not as impressed as I was hoping to be, but I am still seeing it, I am intrigued and it is Jim Cameron doing Sci-Fi so of course I will see it, but I was not blown away by the trailer. Regardless, still looking forward to it.
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That would imply a seriousness about it, and since I write this shit on the fly, in about 5 minutes, a Blog would be over kill...then people would expect output, and good grammar, and a serious story...instead of the toss off, screen writer/celebrity insulting pulp I spew when the mood strikes me...Nope..it'll stay here, or over at AIBN with the professionals...so it can be appreciated by the very people who influence it.Almost 8am friends...time for work...carry on. Oh...Nice to see ya pop in BOB...you malicious fucker..lmao
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Everyone is always focusing on what was done wrong in the new Star Trek, instead of everything that was done right.
Better villain next time is all i ask for, Eric Bana was a massive letdown. Let's see Tom Cruise as the baddie, he needs a career pick me up and we all know he can play evil really well. Maybe have a human enemy and an alien enemy, but try and make the aliens feel really alien. Newcomers to Star Trek must think the galaxy is populated by Humans, humans with pointed ears, and green skinned humans. Show us the universe -
I'VE GOT A LIST OF ALL THE GREAT DUMPSTER DATE LOCATIONS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
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FUCKTARDS. YOU BETTER ALL START TO AMUSE ME OR I'M GOING TO BAIL ON THIS TB.
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You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I amuse you? I'm funny? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
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I lived in Tokyo for 3 years (sadly left two months ago, work thing), absolutely loved it.
Debauchery - easiest places are Shinjuku and Roppongi, Roppongi is much more foreigner friendly. Shinjuku is a very cool place, but there is some issues with foreigners.
I would say you need to check out Shibuya by day, late day, Shinjuku by early night and spend the night and early morning in Roppongi. I would recommend that you just chat to girls, don't go out looking for action, just have a good time and am sure you will have some fun.
Akihabara also very cool for the electronics, manga and other geek stuff.
Meiji-jingu, Asakusa, and Imperial palace for traditional and historic places.
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great point, looking forward to the next instalment
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The ball and chain says no to the midnight showing. Some bullshit about coming home at 2AM on a work night. Why don't they hold these things on the weekend?!
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I'll take all of that under advisement! One of my friends who's going has been before, but he was newly married and doesn't really go out to bars/clubs and the like.
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riddick was my favorite character from the recent movie.
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Wow... really? I'm laughing right now, but I'm also crying a little, ya know?
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Fractional reserve, gold-pressed latinum creates a debt bubble that takes out the federation while a Tellarite derivatives trading scheme knocks out the Klingons and the Romulans. Enter Captain Kirk, to travel back in time and fix things once again.
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Very funny...
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Hello friend, how are you? New in here? Welcome.I really do not know what to say to you. I think, it's my unshakable conviction that Jar Jar Abrams is as much to blame for the flaws of his movie as Bob Orci, if not much more. Abrams was the director, he decided that Orci's lame idiotic dialogues and his dumb plotting were acceptable enough to make them into a movie. The dude was de decider, he has much to be blamed, it is his final responsability.I do not think he directed the movie well at all. There are too many things in the movie that screams "attempt at trendy". The omnipresent shaky-cam for moments that are really not dramatic necessary. The shaky-cam in space in an attempt to try to make big ships that move slowly in relation to one another look dramatic and very fast, in a complete and obvious steal from the TV show BattleStar Galactica (which, incidently, a show created and produced by a man, Ronald D. Moore, who used to be one of the big man on Star Trek, TNG and DS9 and writer of some of it's best episodes). All i see in Jar Jar's movie is direct steals from other, better directors. And worst, the movie is directed like it's a TV show. there's little to no true cinematic grandeur sense to the movie. It doesn't look like a movie made for the theaters, it looks like a movie made for the DVD. Filling the screen with close ups on everything, be it dialogue scenes or battle scenes, that's directing for TV, nor for the theater silver screen.You said you think the movie is well paced. I say that it is indeed fast paced... too fast paced, in fact. It's too fast paced like all movies are when EVERY DAMN SCENE is edited like it's an action scene, even if it is not an action scene. It's my conviction that there should be different beats to the different scenes, depending on their dramatic porpose. Faster pacing for the action, slower pacing for the drama. You can watch a great example of that in the movie Aliens, where the action scenes happens fast and furious, but the dramatic scenes slow very much, sometimes almost to the point the story seems to have stoped for a moment, so that characters can have a converstation or emotional moment. Hell, the movie even stops for exposition. What Aliens does, does it right, does it perfectly.Jar Jar Abrams' Scurvy Trek does not do that. It paces everything fast, action and drama alike. Drama, in my conviction, should happen slower, ebcause it also makes for contrast. If we are watching a 20 minutes long drama scene that has a deliberate and slower pacing, when the fast paced action happens, it will look even more exciting. Because it can contrast to a slower paced scene. We the audiences have an emotional adjustment, which pump us more into the scene. A movie that is always fast paced from the begining, it becames routine. In fact, my always being fast paced, the movie becames less exciting. Movies like Aliens, Ghost In The Shell and Heat, those movies understood perfectly how to juggle the different pacings from scene to scene, and they create the most thrilling cinematic experiences imaginable. Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy trek is a bloated TV shot episode that was not informed yet that it's running time will not end at the 40 minute mark.The movie also suffers from one terrible affiction, which is symtomatic of the two major creative contributors to the movie, Abrams and Orci: it has absolutly no narrative economy. Everything is bloated and made too big for the litle payoff that happens afterwards. Watch the TOS Star trek, and watch how they made wonders with their stories told in a pretty limited screentime. The TOS episodes, specially from the 1st and 2nd series are masterpieces of narrative economy. One wonders if such skills are lost among the new people like Abrams and Orci. If you ask me, Orci and Abrams make movies like they are spoiled brats who are given too many expensive toys to play and never learned the true value of things.Sorry if the post is too long.
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I'll disagree with you in that Khan had a very good reason to seek revenge on the people who he thinks wronged him and his people. Though of course he is wrong, but seeing things from his perspective, it makes sense. And that's the trick. Both Montalban and Nicholas Meyer understood that a true good villain, in his mind he has to think he is the good guy, and he is exerting punishment to the people who do him wrong. Khan in his mind is doing right. Which is the reason he makes for such an enthralling ansd chilling villain.Nero in Scurvy Trek is not a character, he's a collection of villainry cliches from a bad TV show, and played by an actor that his trying his damn best to try to give it some pathos but failining miserably due to the miser of the script.I truly cannot compare Khan to Nero, not in any way. One is a great villain, the other is not even an idea.
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I don't lie about the Scurvy Trek. It's the movie's groupies who chosed not to see the truth, so they can sustain their fantasy. And i'm not the meromies of murder guy, and everytime you guys like you make a claim i am he, you remind me of George Constanza from Seinfeld.
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Bobby Ewing will step out of a shower and we will see that it was just a dream.
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It would still be a better story then whatever Orci is cooking right now.
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A few years from now, there will be two movies called Star Trek 2. how will you do to make the distinction? Will you call one "The One Who Rocks" and the other "The One Who Sucks"?
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I double dog dare them to turn this movie into a Liberal Talking Points memo with phasers. Sucka will tank yo.
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the humidity, the food, and worst of all...in the back of his mind he just had the feeling that everyone East of Las Vegas or South of New York was looking at him and thinking..."Jew..."; he could almost smell the kerosine from the burning crosses. He turned his rented car through the ornate gates of the ranch and down the long driveway towards his friends sprawling estate.Leonard had not bothered to call, he had simply gone, fueled by a rage' besides 'He' wouldn't mind..'He' owed him...and then some. Exiting he vehicle Nimoy was almost overcome by the stink of horses' "Fuck...how can he live with this"....he walked to the door...locked...tried the intercom, no answer, not even the help seemed to be here, for a second he thought his actions were in fact to rash, his assumptions wrong...and then he heard from a distance away the sounds of horses, the whinney, the snorting...it sounded like someone was torturing one of them. He hurried towards the large stable behind the house, he knew the way..he had been here before. Beads of sweat glistened on Bill Shatners Oxen-like forehead; it wasn't often that need or want drove him to physical exertion...but this was the one thing that could rouse him from his inert existence, this was something he truely loved. "Jack...is..it ready yet..my arm is getting pretty tired?" Shatner asked his stable master.."Coming up Bill..." he replied. Jack pulled the large strangely shaped device from the warmer, and ran over to Shatner with it. Nimoy stood, transfixed by the action' Bill had the enourmous stallions cock in his hand, and was stroking the equines engorged member with the deftness, and dexterity of a trained whore. Shatner slapped the horses giant cock, and pulled hard as Jack ran over with the device. "Ha..I remember where you learned that move Bill", cried Nimoy momentarily forgetting his troubles, "Thailand, 1972...those were the good old days", "Leonard!" said Shat, "keep it down...he'll loose his concentration..."; "Jack, Hurry...it's on it's way" cried out Bill. Jack tossed the device to Shatner and in one expert move Bill rammed the freshly warmed synthetic Mare Poon onto his stallions member...the horse neighed loudly as the spunk was caught in the collection bottle on the end. "Look at that will ya Leonard...Liquid Fucking Gold!" his face covered in sweat, red and bloated like a giant tomato. "lets get out of this heat" "So...what brings you all the way to Kentucky, you hate it here" inquired Shatner as he sat, filling the love seat with his 4 decades of relative sucess and easy living. Leonards launched into the events that had occured only hours before...leaving out no detail from the one man who knew everything about his life. "I told you Leonard...didn't I...I Told you not to get to cozy with those young turks, that they were out to get their fame at any cost and you'd get caught up in their shit...damn it I TOld you" Shatner urgently spoke..."I know Bil...but whats done it done, and I need your help..." Nimoy pulled the flask again from his pocket, mindlessly unscrewed the cap..."No...Leonard...not..that again" whispered Bill, "Bill", replied Nimoy..."This....this is needed for what must be done...it numbs the soul...not that there will be any left after what I have in mind for Orci and Abrams..." he trailed off. Bill looked at his old friend...saw the drive...saw the intent...the old spark had returned, the hell raising Nimoy of the 60's was there, ready to destroy mens lives...it would be the first time' Bill knew there was no stopping him, and as it was...they deserved it...."Ok...", he spoke finally, "I owe you this much friend....What...do...you...have in mind?", he asked. "Call....the Rabbi" replied Nimoy...coldly...lost in thought...the bourbon fueling his blood lust.
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I will call one of the movies Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and I will call the other one Star Trek XII: The Something, Something.
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But Jar Jar's Abomination is not called ST:XI, is it? Not officially, anyway. So, how will they resolve the kinundrum? Maybe instead of roman numerals, they will go for alphanumeric and call it Star Trek 2. I'm sure they will do that, because, like, they must believe, the kids can't understand roman numerals, can they?
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... call him the Rabbi? Because he's a Rabbi!
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Nimoy hated Kentucky, the stench of vomited bourbon, basketball sweat, and bluegrass smeared horeshit being unique to the state, but he had business here. Still, his Nimoy-sense twitched and the hackles on his wrinkly neck raised as he imagined the thoughts of what those east of Las vegas must think of him….’gefilte fish eating rubber ear wearer’, oy vey! As he approached the property of his lifelong frenemy, he coild not help but flashback on long gone days of yore, the slut banging, hoe huntin, happiness of his youth!
He spied his partner in those crimes – well they were never prosecuted and it WAS Bangkok after all, stroking the massive member of a stallion, perplexed and poleaxed at this sight, he nevertheless was transfixed as William began cooing in that halting, strangled, pig of a voice of his ‘a horse is a horse of course of course…’when suddenly William brought the member close to his lips, whether he had been carried away by his singing and thought the member was just an extra long microphone, or whether he had other intentions, the whinnying of the horse snapped Nimoy out of his stupor and he shouted NEIGH MEANS NEIGH!
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I really like pizza II....er.....I mean 2.....um.....too. Margherita, the kind with the tomato, basil, and mozzarella.
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You didn't really want to know what I was going to call the Abrams movies. You just wanted to tell us what you were going to call them. Don't be disinjeyuin.
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"gefilte fish eating rubber ear wearer" Fuck...that is some funny shit. Also..best use of the Mr. Ed theme EVER! Kudos...lmao
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Kirk would easily fix the mess by traveling to the Mirror, Mirror universe where he sets up mirror Spock Prime as ruler of the Empire.Kirk is then rewarded with half the riches of the Empire, which he brings back to save the day.
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And just wanted to show my appreciation. Imitation is the sinceerst form of flattery.
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Is still the one where he wrote about Michael Bay ass-fucking Megan Fox, then shooting a load over her face while imagining that he was shooting it over the faces of all the Transformers fans.
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his load shot high in the air and hung motionless for just a second in the truest Bay-style form? Damn...you remember my shit better than I do...I had forgotten all about that..lmao OK...lunch over...back to work.
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Where are you brother? Ya know..I writing this just for you.<p?However Bob, I better not see any of my shit on screen uncredited.
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Where are you brother? Ya know..I writing this just for you.However Bob, I better not see any of my shit on screen uncredited.
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I must admit, your interpetation between the two (Khan and Nero)is dead on.unless i'm misreading your post, Khan comes off as a bit of a narcist (regardless of the fact that Kirk's intentions were noble,when shit happens and it did,blaming Kirk would seem justifiable in his mind as the outlet for his loss and rage.)Nero in actuality seemed like a poor man's Khan by comparison and it's unfortunate that said character was not only wasted but seemed generic.I was hoping for a real badass Romulan villian, but Orci & Co didn't deliver..Again thanks to piss poor wrting.There were things i did like about "Jar Trek" but it's not enough to warrant a Blu-Ray purchase, much less see it again via Netflix.
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Even more than the first one.
I gave Orci and Kurtzman a chance after they fucked up Transformers, but TF:ROTF(L) was a whole lot worse, amplifying all the biggest mistakes instead of fixing them.
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If imitation is the sincerest form of flatery, then i have flatery pouring out of my ears thanks to my clones. I have enough flatery to sell. What some? I'm doing discounts.
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Sep 18, 2009 3:56:38 PM CDT
Jar Jar Abrasm's Scurvy Trek Too: The Abominable Abomination
by asimovlives
Script writen on a napkin by Bob Porco.
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If this is some kind of alternate universe then will they decide to cross over into the 60's Trek universe? To be fair they should have just adpated William Shatner's Trek books just for shits and giggles.
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First ever post I've done up above.
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It would still be better then what we got, which was all shit and no giggles.
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"This far and no farther! And I will make them PAY for what they have done to me!"
"You broke your little ships..."
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....writing schtick is bad, it's J.J. that ultimately carries the can for the majority of dumbed-down 'creative choices' shown in this 'TOS'-impersonation.And that was all compellingly 'FASCINATING' stuff conspiracy. I'll look forward to the next 'Trek'-related talkback in the future....even though the article subject itself may suck....
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But it is getting near the end of the day here at work...and Fuck if "Beaks" Jennifers Body TB isn't really wanting a treatment.
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Sep 18, 2009 6:14:43 PM CDT
If you don't like that last Star Trek movie...
by we_pray_for_mad_skillz
then you just don't like Star Trek. Go watch Enterprise or something.
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Is whether or not you liked Star Trek? What kind of retarded argument is that?
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Especially since Enterprise is Star Trek!
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hhhmmm...
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I wasn't very keen on Enterprise OR the new movie, for different reasons. So that argument just doesn't work.
It's like me saying you can't like the new movie if you ARE a Star Trek fan. I'm sure some die hard fans hated it, but maybe some loved it.
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Maybe later I will reply to AsimovLives. Nothing mean spirited or contentious, but just a reply to some of his comments.
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I'll give that one to you. And I did give you a legitimate answer. My reasoning is that Nimoy played Spock in Abrams movie so I consider it canon whether or not anyone else thought it was dogshit or not. So logically the next movie will be XII.
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Just before they died, we find out that all the Vulcans implanted their minds into a billion other people. Everyone in the galaxy goes nuts.
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Has nothing to do with liking or not liking Star Trek, jeez anyone has the sense enough to know that. I know plenty of people who are huge Trekkies (sorry i think "Trekkers" is just dumb) who did not like it, and I know plenty of Trekkies who loved it. I T I S A L L B A S E D O N O U R O W N O P I N I O N S, N O T H I N G M O R E.
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everything that Asisnob writes...undiluted unadulterated self indulgent, delusional, self affirming, self important wank.
streams of carefully placed big words in a house of cards.
What makes him boil is even people like me who dont really like JJ actually really enjoyed his Trek and now all is said and done..its been well received..all is left is for him to scribble endlessly in the hope he can convince one flaacid retard out there he's right. -
Mammaries of Mommy actually, Truly, AGREES!!!! That's why he went to see it 5 times, has a couple posters, posts about it 24-7 here, and plans to buy the DVD whenever it comes out.
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just doing the same job here in Korea dude. Hope your new job is going good. I also enjoyed the new Trek. Thought it was fun and a nice reinvention of TOS. But I also think there is a lot of room for improvement next time, hopefully not such a dumb script. And it would nt kill JJ to pull the fucking camera back during scenes of spaceships...
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Come on J.J., Khan is the Darth Vader of Star Trek -- Bring him back -- Trekkers will love you!!! Don't listen to the naysayers.
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Come on J.J., Khan is the Darth Vader of Star Trek -- Bring him back -- Trekkers will love you!!! Don't listen to the naysayers.
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Oh my!
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Cast Javier Bardem as Khan and you will have a blockbuster on your hands.
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I get the Stern reference. That phoney phone call was classic :)
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I have not read EVERY post above...but has anyone mentioned that the wandering Vulcans are now founding a new colony with Star Fleets blessing (hmmm.....Jews after WW2?) and that maybe the people who are already living in that part of the galaxy (Arabs) may not like sudden arrival of these new neighbors on land they claimed for themselves?I'm sure someone has mentioned this before...just checking...seems like the easy path Orci and Abrams would take.
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Star Trek cost $150 Million to make. Its total worldwide gross as of 09/17/09 is $383,889,067.Domestic: $257,503,685. Foreign: $126,385,382.In other words: Abrams film DOUBLED its budget and then made almost an additional 84 Million.In Contrast: Star Trek Nemesis. Total Worldwide Gross: $67,312,826. Domestic: $43,254,409.Foreign: $24,058,417.Let me REPEAT for emphasis: Star Trek Nemesis only took in $43.3 Million in its entire Domestic run. Abrams' Trek took in $33 Million... in its first 29 HOURS of Release. Asimov Lives keeps harping that Abrams' film did not do well in Foreign markets. It did $102 Million better than the Star Trek movie that preceded it, but somehow this is not enough for him. What was he expecting: Titanic or Dark Knight grosses? Transformers 2 grosses?Paramount certainly wasn't.You know 2 films that did really well in foreign markets this summer, Asimov Lives? Wolverine:Origins and Terminator:Salvation. They did much better than Star Trek. They did better in foreign countries than they did in America.But you know what Asimov Lives? They did so POORLY in America trying to fight off the success of Star Trek, that even after those foreign receipts: Terminator Salvation's worldwide gross is 12 Million LESS than Star Trek. And Wolverine's? 20 Million LESS.Let me REPEAT for emphasis: The Terminator franchise and an X-Men movie had their ASSES handed to them... by a STAR TREK movie... and you think Paramount is unhappy? Final Fun Fact: Star Trek is holding steady at 95% on the Tomatometer. It has a higher ranking among critics than the last FIVE films that won Best Picture at the Academy Awards. That's right Asimov Lives. This movie you hate so much not only ranks higher than Crash, Million Dollar Baby and Slumdog Millionaire. It ranks higher than The Departed. And No Country for Old Men. The people have Spoken, Asimov Lives. And they're telling you to: FUCK OFF.
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Sep 18, 2009 10:57:22 PM CDT
I think the Enterprise needs to attack a giant cheese pizza
by lockesbrokenleg
Wow. That would be cool.
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Once there was a Starship Captain.A VERY young Starship Captain.His name was Kirk and he was a bit of an asshole, as well as a sex addict…He had often been suspended from Starfleet Academy, but his old pal Captain Pike kept getting him out of jams, like that time Kirk got caught with those three Andorian chicks who were all giving him an vigorous antenna-to-groin massage at the same time WHILE he reclined on the “command deck” of the Kobiashi Maru testing grounds…When the Admiral and her entourage had come in for an unexpected inspection, Kirk near nearly swallowed the core of the apple he was munching down on at the same time he shot his “protein torpedo” right into the Admiral’s eye… For Kirk’s “lifestyle” curriculum at the Academy, he had majored in the collected works of the early 21st century uber-bard Tucker Max, and had all of his movies on restored holodeck programs. There wasn’t a vagina in space that Kirk would not someday, eventually tame for the Federation. Coincidently, that was the title of his freshman year final term paper….He got an A+ from Pike…Kirk was really good at manipulating people (and isn't that all a Starship Captain SHOULD be good at?) and pissing them off to his advantage. He took over the Enterprise from a bunch of whiney pussies, EVEN after he was exiled, and, when he triumphantly returned, with a man from a different universe who looked a lot like a Methusela version of that fuckin’ Vulcan that had kicked him off of the Enterprise to begin with, Kirk put his new Scottish drinking buddy, Scotty, in charge of the warp engine breweries… After almost every other Starship Captain in Star Fleet were killed by some lame dude with some Kick Ass technology, EXCEPT for Pike, Kirk was promoted to Starship Captain because Pike knew what a horny bastard Kirk was and He knew that he had bitch slapped and straitened out that cold, snotty Vulcan and made EVEN him want some of that Uhuru Jungle Fever ass….Kirk deserved to be captain, with balls that size....His First Mission as Captain after the NERO-ZERO INCIDENT….????“Spock, I think we should check out this greenskin slave girl trafficking place in the Orion Belt that I found about on sub-space internet…. Uh…they might be violating somethin‘ or somethin’……I like green, Bones….”
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Kirk had had the Enterprise tricked out after the NERO-ZERO EVENT. Large fuzzy dice hung in the center of the main view screen. He had put nicer spinners on the front of the ramscoop nacels and even had flames painted along the main fuselage….Kirk and company roll up into Orion’s Belt and contact the first planet they encounter that has Hyper Space Fi connections…“This is Captain James T… the T stands for 10 inches... Kirk, of the USS Tricked Out Enterprise. We have learned thru certain channels that there is some fine green ass for sell around here….You got any connections?”The understandably startled planet replied, “Uh, look….You guys sound like space cops….”Kirk calmly replied, “No You look, we’re just a tired, horny crew of big -balled space explorers…..Tell you what, tell us where to find the emerald pussy or else Bones here, my doc, and Spock here, my science officer AND a Vulcan….they never learned to masturbate on Vulcan, you know…will come up with a sexually transmitted disease so horrible your genitalia will explode if exposed to air….that what you want?”Aliens…”Give us a moment to find the number…”
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He destroyed the planet anyway and then made Sulu take off his shirt and do jumping jacks until he was sweaty enough to enter the course into the navicomp…Once they were on their way, Kirk invited Spock and Bones down to his Captain’s Crib for some Saurian Brandy and jello shots of Romulan ale…. “Spock, is Uhura cool with this, I mean, you ARE gonna get in on some of this Green Poon, aren’t you? I mean all your species’ bitches are goneand you’ve only tried the human dark meat…”“Jim, U-whore-a is up for ANYTHING…”Bones chimed in, “Aren’t you afraid she’ll find a better lover than one that can only get it up once every seven years?”“Doctor,” Spock replied. “That is illogical. No other species besides my, now, almost extinct Vulcans, have the 15 inch barbed penis that humanoid bitches find so satisfying. ” All three of them took a double shot and laughed….
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Sep 19, 2009 1:50:40 AM CDT
After the twelfth or thirteenth Jello shot, Scotty calls….
by cheeses_of_nazareth
“Cap’n, I canna contain the foam.!!!”“What the fuck are you talking about, Scotty?” “The matter-antimatter-hopps-barley conversion distillery is all wrong!!!”“Calm down you drunk stereotype, just angle the glass at 45%…”“D’ya think I din’ think a that? We’re gonna loose our warp buzz in a matter a minutes at this rate…”Spock spoke up, “Captain, we could switch to those new dilithium crystal meth energy sources I have been experimenting with…”“But, will the Jefferies Crack Tubes be able to handle it?”“They handled your mom pretty well,” Bones just had to throw that in…
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eventually stumble down to the Warp brewery….the elevators were no fucking help since not a one of the three were sober enough to coherently pronounce the word ‘engineering.’ Finally, Bones threw up and it sounded enough like “warp brewery” to get them to where Scotty was walking thru a dense fog of beer foam.
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Was all Kirk could manage to partially utter."Good God, man, Could ya not bring a poor alchoholic a measly sip?""Sorry, Scotty...I left dropped yours in the elevator...What a bitch that cunt elevator is..."
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and plugged in an 8-track tape of late/mid 20th century Steve Miller Band’s “Dream Weaver.” This activated the Dilithum Crystal Meth program he had been hiding inside the stuck up, strait edged, anti-abortion personality of the main computer. Once activated, the sudden rush of “alcoholic adrenaline,” ‘Hillbilly Heroin,” or otherwise known as “Klingon Krack,” into the fermentation process caused quite a “5 hour energy’ moment for the foam stalled warp engines… The USS Tricked out Enterprise arrived at the “Best Little Green Whorehouse in the Alpha Quadrent” three hours ahead of schedule….Plenty of time for Kirk, Spock and Bones to get in a good 4 hour power nap…
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He knew he was still fucked up…He blew into his communicator and it beeped angrily at him. “You are not currently eligible to Captain a Starship in your present inebriated state…”Kirk hit the override button and stumbled into the sonic shower…"Fuck you elevator bitch..." was all he said...
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Sep 19, 2009 3:21:01 AM CDT
Even after the sonic shower AND the sonic happy ending, Kirk’s h
by cheeses_of_nazareth
He cracked open a Gatoraid and popped a Cialas 36 hour tab….then he called Spock.“Is Your-Whore-A coming with us, or are you goin’ stag?” “I’m in with both pointy ears,” replied Spock. “Dark meat can simmer till we get back…”
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ead still throbbed....
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Nytol...
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It's the exact oposite, you need to have a profound despise or ignorance of Star Trek to like the new Jar Jar Abrams's movie.
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There's a flip side to that coin. I say the negative reactions agaisnt Jar Jar Abrams' movie is a legitimate emotional and intelelctual reaction to a very bad and dumb movie. and the positive reactions are kool-aid passive lemming type acceptance of a marketing campaign, accepted without criticism, complate display of inteelctual servitude helped by absolutly no emotional self-control. Basically, eated it all like sheep.See, it cut both ways. The difference between the detractors and the groupies is that the detractors offer very good reasons for the mvoie's many failures, while the groupies offer none of substance. Guess which one has the more validity.
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The sequel should focus on Khan, end of story. Javier Bardam should be cast in the classic role,as he looks and sounds like a young Ricardo Montalban. Come on J.J. is so obvious -- just do it!
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The sequel should focus on Khan, end of story. Javier Bardam should be cast in the classic role,as he looks and sounds like a young Ricardo Montalban. Come on J.J. is so obvious -- just do it!
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Are you trying to be dumb on porpose? I'm going to call on your argument right here:You numbers above are correct for the Scurvy Trek's box office results. It's your interpretation that is based on misconceptions and ignorance.The domestic box offcie is a disapointment. Decause a movie needs to make at least a few dozen millions more to be declared in the profit. This is due to many afactors, of which also includes the advertizement costs, and the interests to pay for the loan. Yes, movies are made through bank loan money, and there's interests to pay. Major blockbusters like Scurvy Trek have advertizement budgets up to 80 million dollars, which adds up to the movie's real final budget. So, final tally is not just the 150 million dollars production budget, but something closer to 230 millions total. That's the number they have to reach at, plus some dozen millions more so they can pay up the interest and be declared in the green. Only then a movie can be considered a profitable one. Now, the domestic numbers seem to make the movie a somewhat profitable one (though pretty below expectations). The international box office is a disapointment, it's far less then half the domestic box office.The party ends when there's this to consider: half the money of the box office goes to the distributors. This means, the real money that Paramount is getting is close to 180 millions. It's not enough to pay the movie and the advertizement costs, much less the interest and first dollar points for the major players, like Abrams.It's cute that you bring up the Nemesis numbers, but everybody knows the movie flopped. But i'm going to bring a better example to ruin your happy party, i'm going to bring the numbers referent to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. A movie which, according to myth bullshit, is a flop, which is totally wrong, as all myth bullshit is. ST:TMP is also relevant in that it's a TOS movie, as Jar Jar Abrams' abomination is too, while Nemesis is a TNG. So, to the ST:TMP numbers.ST:TMP budget was 25 millions. To it was added more 20 millions of money Paramount spent on an aborted TV show and two previously developed ST movies, and the advertizement costs for the movie that eventually got released. Total pricetag for ST:TMP then was 45 millions. American box office results: 82 million dollars. Overall numbers included international box office: 139 millions. That's the total figure, 139 millions. Cut off of it the distributors's share and we get 75 millions for Paramount alone. 75 millions in profit against the 45 millions total budget. Good results. And then you have to take into account this are 1979's dollars. Adjust that to inflaction and you have bigger numbers. And more importantly, the movie made more money then it's combined budget. something the Jar Jar Abrams's idioticy didn't. And this is just theatrical box office we are talking.And ST:The Voyage Home made even more money.This story of the Scurvy Trek movie being the most sucessful of all ST movies is bullshit. Nice deceit if you only use numbers UNADJUSTED TO INFLACTION. But the truth is, the Jar Jar Abrams' bullshit movie is in fact only 4th behind ST:TMP, STII:TWK and STIV:TVH.The ones ignoring reality is groupies like you, who still cling to a fantasy world to justify your love for a miserable shitty movie which doesn't even has box office to support it's claim of being something out of the ordinary. And now even the movie's creators are admiting the mvoie was about nothing, soemthing they want to corect for the next movie. The groupies are even being stabbed in the back by the very people they are praising about.Everything about Scurvy Trek and the groupies is a laught. Of course, you will completly ignore my post and the numbers and reasons i posted above because it challenges your complacency and your rosy fantasy vision of your beloved bad movie. Which is not unexpected, coming from this movie's gropupies. I'm reminded of the groupies of Michael Bay's Transformers 1 movie which did everything in their power to self-obfuscate the fact the movie they were loving was an horrible dumb piece of shit. Same thing is happening to the Scurvy Trek groupies.
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would be a really STUPID idea. That would completely take me out of the universe and make me aware of the film. Hollywood can't make movies that don't tell you what to think and any angle they try will just corrupt the story rather than enlighten it.
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Come on J.J., Khan is the Darth Vader of Star Trek -- Bring him back -- Trekkers will love you!!! Don't listen to the naysayers.
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"you need to have a profound despise or ignorance of Star Trek to like the new Jar Jar Abrams's movie" Then how do you explain the fact that I liked It? Because I love TOS and most of the movies with TOS cast. Is there room for improvement? As SAG said, most definitely, but regardless I enjoyed it. Waiting for your answer hehehehehe. LOL.
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Was not a flop, I don't know why people keep insisting it was, was it a huge mega blockbuster? Not by a long shot, BUT, it was not a flop, just not mainstream enough for the studio, hence why they changed gears and gave us ST II, albeit the best ST movie to date, and won't ever be topped IMO.
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Sep 19, 2009 11:12:32 AM CDT
Didn't Realize Advertising Costs Weren't Part of the Budget
by _maltheus_
But I suppose they got their money's worth. When people cannot coherently state what was good about the movie, but they loved it anyway, you know the advertising was effective. I expect the shine to wear off the next one, like it did with Transformers.
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You either know about as much about math as you know about objectivity and subjectivity, or you're just willfully LYING. I refer you and anyone else who's interested to trekmovie.com and the 07/29/09 story titled "Viacom Chief Touts Star Trek as 'Unqualified Blockbuster' as Film Reaches $380M Globally." Viacom CEO Phillipe Dauman and CFO Tom Dooley are both quoted as praising the film's box office receipts and long term profit potential. They spent money to make money. They rebuilt the brand to increase future profits. There is also a graph clearly showing that even if you ADJUST FOR INFLATION, Abrams Trek is the most successful Trek film in domestic receipts and the 2nd most successful in foreign receipts. Your continued insistence that there is even ONE Trek film, much less THREE that made more money for Paramount than this one is a DELUSION.And Remember: This movie made almost another 4 MILLION after this story was posted. So either Dauman and Dooley and trekmovie.com (an unofficial fansite unaffiliated with Viacom)are Lying, Or You are.Not to mention that under your movie math logic, Wolverine and Terminator:Salvation were such colossal failures that we'll never see another film in either franchise. They did WORSE and cost MORE than Star Trek.
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Pure hillarity
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to call somebody else a liar. but of cours,e to like Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek, you have to be delusional.Skank Trek's groupies are like the creationist that believe in the most mad bullshit and call those who accept Evolution as liars. Jar Jar Abrams' Skank Trek groupies are the creationists of Star Trek.
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Javier Bardem as Khan = Brilliant.IMHO it would make the next movie THE DARK KNIGHT of TREK films.
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unintelligent design. And it's groupies are a modern day example of complete drone-mind servitude. All lies are to taken all in, truth is to be avoided at all costs.
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be another repetition of what already exists. Who fucking cares about an original, intelligent, smart story never told before in Star trek? Certainly not the Skank Trek groupies. All it matters is a dumb story copying from something that already exists before, but dumb it down to the lowest intelligeble point to allow the crackheads to understand. The new Skank Trek should have lots of explosions, shaky-cam ascenes where it's just two people talking, more shaky-cam to pretend that the action scene that is happening onscreen should be mistaken for something exciting and interesting. More importantly, the new Skank Trek movie shoould have a lot of Trek recognizable character names, but the plots should be robbed from Star Wars and Top Gun. Again! Failing that, a rehash of some Alias episode. The characters should all act like they are copies of the most currently popular teen TV show.
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Advertizement costs are not part of the production costs of a movie. Advertizement has it's own budget, but it has to be recuperated from the movie's box office. In the vast majority of the cases, with very few notable exceptions (like Avatar), the filmmakers themselves are not participants of the movie's advertizement. This has been very true of the way Hollywood studios operates, since the early days of the studio system.
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According to trekmovie.com on 05/22/09 the Adjusted gross of the previously most successful Star Trek film(TMP) in TODAY'S DOLLARS is $239 Million.Abrams Trek has taken in almost $145 Million MORE than that.Hate the film all you want, you Pedantic Portuguese Putz.Just Stop LYING about the Numbers.It makes you look like an idiot.We all know you're smarter than that. Move on to Another Topic. Box Office Grosses are not a matter of OPINION."YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY, SIR!"
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In your case, i'd rather not explain why you mistake Skank Trek for an enjoyable experience. I respect and like you too much to go into such murky waters, if you understand me. Let me not be accused of not knowing the value of friendship.The funny thing is, i used to be a great mocker of TOS, specially the old show. I always like dit, but i also mocked it a lot. Nowdays, i gained a new apreciation, i had never understood before how dumbed down it could be at the wrong hands. i guess i used to take Star Trek or granted. Not anymore. Skank Trek teached me that lesson.St:TMP was a huge sucess. Even with half the box office numbers, the studio shar,e the movie generated doubled the whole budget, which meant not only it's production budget of 25 millions, but also the added costs of the aborted ST:Phase II TV show and the at least two ST movies that never got past advanced pre-production, one of them writen adn to be directed by Philip Kauffmann, he of The Invasion Of The body Snatchers 1978 remake and The Right Stuff fame (and co-writer of Raiders Of The Lost Ark). The myth subsides that ST:TMP was a flop. It wasn't. There's another myth that subsides too that it was a modest hit. It wasn't, it was a huge hit, so much so that convinced Paramount to continue with a movie franchise of the TOS crew while there was legs for a new ST TV show, which eventually became ST:TNG years later. ST:TMP was a big big hit.Why the myth that the ST:TMP was a flop still subsides? for me, there's this main reason: to bring down the efforts and respectability of Jeff Katzenberg, who was the major executive at Paramount responsible for the movie. When the regime changed at Paramount in 79/80, the same time Katzenberg left, the new Executive guard did the same thing that every time there is a change in the top executive aeschelons at the studios: they trash and belittle the work of the previous executive to help the new mannagement look good. ST:TMP was one victim of such intestinal executive cabinet war. And this myth, with foundations on bulslhit, is now serving well the lies and delisions of the Skank Trek groupies, and it's now getting a new breath. But it's still total bullshit, as it were.
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Keep lying, delusional boy.
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both believe and take seriously a big pile of bullshit, and don't alow intelligence, reason and truth stand in the way of their delusions.
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Sep 19, 2009 12:59:58 PM CDT
Jar Jar Abrams Skank Trek's Enterprise Brewery Engine Room
by asimovlives
Distilling the best malt scotch whisky of the whole galaxy. Also doubles as a waterpark.
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Sep 19, 2009 1:07:40 PM CDT
Want to be a starship captain? main character traits required:
by asimovlives
Extreme obnoxiousness, natural stupidity, thick-head, juvenile criminal record for grand theft auto, profound disrespect for your leagal guardians, disrespect for authority, slacking on classes, misguideness, and most important of all, being favoured with non-stop neopotism. Complete ineptitude at combat and fighting optional.
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Logic is no longer required.
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Sep 19, 2009 1:10:50 PM CDT
How to be a communication officer at Skank Trek's Enterprise?
by asimovlives
Have a high ranking and well connected boyfriend.
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I bet I would like you as a person if we were to meet. But what is it about you that feels the need to insult people you don't know because they like something you don't? I know it happens here a lot, but mostly it's a joke and meant to get a reaction out of people. It's never serious and usually dies a silent death after a few posts. But you just seem to never let it go. To what end? Does this whole thing make you so bitter that you flail against it hoping to change it? It won't happen. And the more you do it I think you are actually turning people away from your viewpoint and in support of that which you hatwe. But maybve that is your ultimate goal and this is your subconcious desire.
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You must have an incompreensible accent even for a 23th century computer to compreend, which renders all communications with the instrumentation and your fellow collegues virtually useless.
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Sep 19, 2009 1:20:08 PM CDT
How to be the Chief Enginneer at Skank Trek's Enterprise?
by asimovlives
Be picked up completley at ramdom in some god-forsaken ass hole of the galaxy, in where was sent to beging with to serve a disciplinary sentense for malconduct and dangerous incompetence, and without any foreknowledge of skills and aptitude, and only on faith, be given the most important officer duty and responsability of the ship second to command.
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Be completly bland, and lie about your lack of fighting ability, training and skills in the eve of a desperate and extremely important mission to save a planet and the lives of billions, to help jeopardise it even more.
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Sned in the most unexperienced people of the crew. And more dangerous and important the mission, the more unexperienced and green the team members should be. It's imperative that one of them should lie about his lack of skills, taining and field experience. And the red shirt should be a complete useless retard moron in case the mission demands high altitude skydiving, so he can go on an adrenaline rush trip, forget fuckall about the mission, fail the parachute opening altitude quota and plunge to his death like a stupid bitch.
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If i'm insulting, i'm insulting their tastes. It's different then insulting the person per se. Doesn't take to be a rocket scientist to see the difference.If anything, the one who should feel insulted is me. I should feel insulted that people tell me i'm wrong and i should enjoy a movie that is stupid beyond belief, a movie that presumes the averate intelligence of the average audience person is of the housefly. I'm the one who should feel insulted whenever somebody tells me i should dumb myself down so i can find enjoymnet in a very stupid and dumb movie. That shit is far more insulting then anything i could ever come up with.And yes, in person you would find me an agreeable and very friendly person, as long nobody tries to feed me bullshit and try to pass it for something it's not.
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Hire 20 different people (who know nothing of each others existence and work) to came up with 20 different designs, and thrown them all in a mixer. The incoherent result is the final design.
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It's obvious you don't get it. You're going to find yourself yelling in an empty room. Just look at the last dozen posts. It's not up to the person doing the insulting to decide whether or not someone is insulted by what they say. Your posts are taking on a somewhat Quixotic tone, and not in an altogether good way.
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Sep 19, 2009 2:45:17 PM CDT
10 posts in under an hour? And people call me annoying?
by lockesbrokenleg
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Sep 19, 2009 5:12:46 PM CDT
Kirk & Spock go after a douchebag who interrupts award shows...
by mrmysteryguest
declares himself the greatest, says the Federation President doesn't care about aliens, and makes a young female singer cry.
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Appreciate your sentiments, I know you think I am insane for having enjoyed Trek, but it's a moot argument, we have mutual respect for each other and are friends. Just to clarify, I hope at the very least you don't lump me in with the Trek "groupies" for that I am most definitely not. I can enjoy a movie and still admit it has faults, as I always have with Trek. Regardless, we are in good standing my friend.
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A very angry fan called Heinlein Dies, who really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really did not want a reboot. All protestations to the contrary dismissed for their inherent silliness. Because, you know, First Contact was a very deep, intelligent and meaningful film.
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...in the lead up to JJ's first "Star Trek" - pathetic hardcore Trekkies on one side whining that it's not gonna be Real and that he's abandoned their sorry asses and basically everyone else on the other saying give the man a chance...
turns out he knocked it out the park - sure there was always gonna be head-in-the-sand hardcore deniers complaining it was somehow not enough (hi Asimov- I know someone is turning in his grave right now) - The Onion even did a story on it - but you know.. that's just Pride fuckin wit you...
FUCK PRIDE!
give the man a chance
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Sep 19, 2009 8:16:48 PM CDT
'don't alow intelligence, reason and truth stand in the way of t
by quantize
look in the mirror asshat
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Into another frigging Galaxy. I don't live, dream, and breath Star Trek like I used to, as a kid, but after all the versions that have come down the line... This one is the dumbest, lowest common denominator pop corny crap. Sure, when I was in my Star Wars delirium, this is probably what I would have wanted with a "re-envisioning", but you know what, I was wrong. Even with Wrath Of Khan(the Holy Grail of Star Trek TOS movie series) went a little too far into the hoary adventure mode, luckily there was enough characterization and pathos to hold it up. I remember reading the novelization and wishing they had put all that dark shit on the screen. The novel was far more explicit and twisted than you might think. Khan was a sadistic bastard, and let's just say, I recall it being a little on the kinky side with Saavik. J.J.'s Enterprise isn't horrible; I saw it twice and lived... It just did not kindle a passion for it, only a irksome disappointment. To me, J.J. should have just done what he really was aiming for, a Star Wars type movie, and let Star Trek either die like it probably should, or come back later, more genuinely grounded and truly adventurous.
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and I liked that it was good, and it was a throwback to the show, but I am kind of bored with Trek now, too. I've seen it all. And if the next movie will just reuse shit like Khan again. What's the point?
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So now that your "Grosses Adjusted for Inflation" Theory has been definitively proven to be Complete and Utter Bullshit through the objective reality of Numbers that took me about 5 minutes to locate on the Internet... You go back to mocking the movie using nothing but the subjective nature of your opinions, most of which are based on a willfull misreading of what actually occurs onscreen?You want us to believe you can be objective about this movie when you can't even deal with the simple fact that other people have crunched the numbers and shown to you to be not just wrong, but wrong to such a ludicrous extent that at this point your basic sanity is in question.I've cited multiple sources to support my conclusions. There are others I haven't cited which are also easily accessible. You have yet to name a single source that supports your estimate of how much this movie cost to make and market.I sincerely await your reply.
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Sep 19, 2009 11:54:32 PM CDT
Kirk, Spock and McCoy beamed directly down to ….
by cheeses_of_nazareth
the reception/check in area of the Orion Orgy Superstore located adjacent to the “Best Little Emerald Whorehouse in the Alpha Quadrant, or as the locals called it, BLEWAQ…Kirk walked up to the counter….“How can I help you,?” asked the three titted, orange bitch doing her nails behind the register. Her TOE nails... “Tickets for three to the Whore Show.”“What currency will you be exchanging?”“Ummmm, Spock?”“Captain, I believe they expect payment, that IS, logically, what makes them whores.”“But, Spock, you know the Federation outlawed money centuries ago.”“Money, the root of all evil,” Bone’s drunk ass piped up. “Do you take trade?” “Of course, here’s a list of our exchange rates…” and the orange, tri-breasteded clerk handed them a brochure.“Spock, you see anything on here we might have on board the Tricked Out Enterprise? I took a Cialis36 Hour this morning and I am not leaving this planet until I’ve worn out as many of those Kermit colored backsides as is chemically enhanced humanly possible…”“Well, Captain, they trade beer for pussy, and right now we have an over abundance of warp field beer that we are just going to jettison into the atmosphere. As you recall our warp core brewery suffered a malfunction last night and made all that extra warp beer, and it is Warp10 level beer.”“Shit, Spock, you’re a fucking genius… Call Scotty and have him beam the space lager wherever the whores want it and tell him to get down here too…There is NO way the three of us are gonna be able to fuck anywhere enough green v-ginas to use up all that beer money…”“Should I invite his short retarded friend with the big head, too.”“Why not , Spockers…? That will be funny to watch….”
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Sep 20, 2009 12:04:39 AM CDT
McCoy laughed and took another swig of Alderbaran wine..
by cheeses_of_nazareth
"HA, ha, ha...he...he said....v-gina...like in V-ger...Only...HA, HA, HA...we haven't met that fuckin' thing yet in this universe....HAAA!!"
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Jim “Ten inch” Kirk laughed….“C’mon, McCoy…you ready to ‘Bone’ some green gash?”Just then the familiar pre-cum energy level of a transporter started spinning atoms and molecules and dust and shit all around and then Scotty and his freak friend that nobody could understand except Scotty were suddenly almost like they were standing there….and then they actually were, thanks to sciences pioneered in the early 21st century by James Cameron the First.“Where can a man get a proper drink on this planet?” were the first words out of Scotty’s mouth . His friend murmered… “…..%&>+Scotty laughed and laughed and laughed and the other three just looked at each other…
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Sep 20, 2009 12:20:41 AM CDT
The little dude's voice could fracture reality, aparently...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
(continuing in the middle of freak boys conversation....."&>Scotty laughed and laughed and laughed and the other three just looked at each other…
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Sep 20, 2009 12:22:31 AM CDT
(The language does not translate...I will not try any more..).
by cheeses_of_nazareth
Scotty laughed and laughed and laughed and the other three just looked at each other…****fuckle.”
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Sep 20, 2009 12:37:08 AM CDT
I can see you get your writing skills from Robot Chicken
by lockesbrokenleg
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and one guest, approached the lobby of the BLEWAQ…
Spock handed each of them a LARGE stack of Pussy Bucks.“Gentlemen,” Kirk ordered. “I don’t want one single Pussy Buck left in your hand by the time we rendezvous at whatever passes for 4 am here. Do I make myself clear?”The three humans nodded and the retard alien twittered a bunch of nonsense that sounded excited… “Captain,” Spock cautioned….”I don’t think we should flash this kind of currency so early in the afternoon….”“Shows what you know about women, Mr. Spock….ESPECIALLY whore women…”
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I take that as a compliment....
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"You guys wanna pull a train first?""I'm buyin'," offered Bones...
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Sep 20, 2009 1:11:49 AM CDT
The mongoloid headed alien spit out nonsense and pointed…
by cheeses_of_nazareth
to a LARGE green skinned woman who had to be 300 lbs if she was 30.…“Are you serious???” laughed Kirk. “Scotty, is he serious?”“I d’no, Capt’n….He’s been acting all weird since Spock invited him…keeps goin’ on about the ‘land o’ blubber’ and ‘harpoonin’ whales.’ I didna understand until just now…”“HAAA, HAA, Ha….He...he…he’s a chubby chaser….” Bones exploded in laughter…
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“She would swallow your whole body, head and all, little dude…”At that, the diminutive, big headed alien started sputtering more nonsense and Scotty translated… “He says that’s how they ‘do it’ on his world, and don’t knock it till you try it… “
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“Just don’t expect ME to follow him in the train….If I’m payin,’ I ain’t playin’ caboose….”
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Sep 20, 2009 1:43:53 AM CDT
“Nobody’s payin’ that Jabba the Pizza Hutt skank...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
anything to pull a train…” Kirk ordered.“Melon head, here can fuck her with his own Pussy Bucks…Me, I’m looking’ for the Emerald Hot Pocket….and, I think I see her…over there…”
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Sep 20, 2009 1:59:16 AM CDT
There were four hot, large breasted Orion Slave bitches…
by cheeses_of_nazareth
and one fat blubber biscuit sitting at a table WAY in the back. One of them had caught the Captain’s eye and was COMPLETELY eye fucking him from across the crowded room….Kirk hadn’t been this turned on since he had watched the original 2009 Avatar film in primitive 3-D during his sophomore year at the Federation Academy for Big Balled Youngsters.
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Sep 20, 2009 2:02:13 AM CDT
Yes, Kirk and Spock graduated, or maybe didn't graduate, from...
by cheeses_of_nazareth
F.A.B.B.Y....
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He led them into the bar and back to where the 5 girls were sitting, and introduced himself…“Ladies, Hi…I’m James T. (I’ll tell you what the ’T’ stands for later,) Kirk. These are my friends, Spockerman and Boner, and I don’t know what that thing’s name is… he’s the Scott Man’s buddy, you’ll have to ask him…” “We’re off duty, pink skins,” all five whores shouted in unison…“Well, fine,” Kirk replied. “That’ll save us a lotta Pussy Bucks…”
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the green chick next to the one eye fucking Kirk said…And, suddenly five large green bouncer dudes appeared out of nowhere and crossed their arms and looked very stern. “Gentlemen, gentlemen….Is there a problem?” Kirk asked the bouncers…Then he pulled out his large rubber banded stack of Pussy Bucks and slammed it down on the table.“Each of my friends here have an equal amount of this ’sex currency’ on them right now, and we will have none of it left by this time tomorrow. If you gals are off duty, then go home and cry in your poverty. We‘re here to buy some Green ’tang….you get my drift? ”
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happening in each of the off duty whore’s eyes…Their pupils got large and their lips suddenly softened…Spock tried to slip the nearest bouncer a 100 Fuck Note but was refused…“We’re all castrated at 10 years old…” the Jolly Green Bouncer explained.
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Sep 20, 2009 3:27:14 AM CDT
“Well…” the harpy cunt next to the eye-fucking beauty....
by cheeses_of_nazareth
finally relented.“I guess we COULD clock in for some ‘overtime.’”
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Sep 20, 2009 3:44:44 AM CDT
“So, you don’t mind if we join you?” Bones asked…
by cheeses_of_nazareth
“Not at all,” answered the whore who had been quiet up til now. They all shifted around so that it was boy-girl-boy-girl. “Y’now what this place reminds me of, Bones?” Kirk asked. “That time you and me and Pike went to Tiajuana to catch the Donkey shows and wound up killing those two hookers….”McCoy laughed so hard he had to cough up part of his lungs and Spock raised an eyebrow and asked…. “Is that why the Admiral always refers to you as ‘T.J. Hooker?’”
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(Keep fuckin' that chicken...)
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thats shit was funny. I love the news.
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conversation with Zuzu Peddles was like masturbating with a cheese grater... slightly amusing, but mostly painful
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This is a fact.
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sits in his garage contemplating time travel design over a hot cup of joe. And finally he has it. He plugs the 30 watt coffee maker into the dilithium crystal accelerator and the old refridgerator hums to life. "aw fuck yeah" says Jean and he hops in without kissing his betezoid wife goodbye. Oh well shes a cunt anyway. So Geene types into the improvised nav computer the date to where he wants to go and wouldnt you know it he chooses the future. No...couldnt spare any time to go save lincoln or avoid the holocaust....gotta see that shiny silver beyond. HE sets in the date 2017 and presses go. Crash! BAng! Wiz! Kabiff! WOOOSH! And hes off a'blazin toward that cool lucid awaited, grinning and his teeth chattering from the time zipping past and just as soon as it started it stops and genes like "FUCKA CUNT!@...my time machine suckzzz" And he steps out thinking hes in his garage. But no! Hot shit!...this thing works! He is in a golden room pillared by high marble columns. The base of theses columns house openings with pink pillows on which sit shining glorious blue cats. "Wow!@ A fantastic future!" mouths Jeanie and he starts strolling about. Suddenly the ground begins to rumble and quiver. A distant roar and a glow like an approaching beast of morgoth ebbs forward. Suddenly blasting around a corner at mach 10 it is holiness embodied: Sheer liquid genious puddles and seeps below the jetpacked glowing figure. It is JAMES CAMERON! Oh shit! So cameron powers down the jet pack and pretends not to notice Jene rotenbird standing in his gilded golden hall of a living room. And he's rattling off equations and solving the national dept with intricate numerical mental summersults. Geen walks up to this golden guy with the towering brain and says "Hey futureman...who are you!?" And Cameron pays him no mind and walks over to one of the blue cats and starts feeding it fish food out of a pocket inside of his drawstring pants and is humming "I am the greatest man who ever lived". By now gene is getting slightly exasperated at having been so long ignored by this future-king superman. And He screams at the top of his lungs that he is from the past and he came here to learn of the future to take that knowledge back with him to create startlingly realistic television shows that predict the future and are about space travel. And this finally gets the camsters attention. "oh yeah...you're gene rodsenberry you invented star trek" says the cameron nodding and knowing. And he says "come with me". So they walk into this dark room with red chairs and a 1000 ft. screen and cameron throws on a dvd. ITs "STAR TREK" by J.J. Abrams. "This is the star trek...this is what you will create". Gene is floored and slack jawed and flabbergasted yet intrigued. But hes got a question: "Hey jim....how does this exist already if I have not yet gone back into the past and created it....and how can I be inspired to create something from the thing iself?" Cameron gives him a knowing look and says not to worry about it. "Im james cameron...i invented terminator...my interpretation of time travel makes no sense. Don't worry about it!" And He pats gene on the back and walks him back to his time traveling fridge and gives him a copy of abrams trek the difinitive interpretation of trek and says "tally ho...goodbye...fuckoff" and presses a button on his wrist controller pad and just like that Geene is zipping through time back to from whence he came. And the Cameron looks around at the gold and the marble and the cats and takes a deep breath in and sighs. And he mathematically calculates the trajectory of his next foot steps and then takes them. And then he powers up his rocket powered rocketback rocketpack and blasts through the ceiling on to gooder and greater glories.
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Col. Riker is a futuristic interpretation of Ghengis Khan. This was stated in the DVD release of TNG Season 3.
Kirk was born an a planet 3 star systems removed from romulus and therefore is considered half Romulon. This is obvious from the episode where Kirk suddenly realizes he can speak to the romulan general Khan.
Khan is short for Han. Han Solo and Han from Attack of Khan are not related to Riker regardless of the historical earth similarities.
A nebula is equal to a Galaxy.
Gene Roddenberry preferred tennis over playing pool. This is obvious from the way tennis factors in to ST:TNG in the holography room.
The phrase Holograph was coined by Max Strause in 1945. He was a german physisist and pioneering father of lensing practices which are used today. In fax...though star trek was shot on 42mm film is used lens for cameras of a 35mm size. This is can be seen in the slight warping at the edge of the frame in Season 1 episode 5 of the original series.
There are no Insects in space. These are actually aliens. Aliens relate to the species lack of indiginous upbringing on romulus or other federation planets.
Romulus is the second planet in the Galaxy and the 3rd to join the federation of planets.
Kingons are actually more logical that betezoids even though it is betazoids that live with this stereotype.
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It speaks to some basic human needs, that there is a lot of taller people - it's not all going to be over in a small flash, that the human race is evolving, that we have things to be proud of as humans. No, shorter astronauts did not build the skyscrapers - human beings built them because they're tall and they work at math. And 'Star Trek' is about those things."
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Was a metaphore to talk about issues and ideas mixed with action, adventure and humor. ANYONE who doesn't want to think as well as clap at pretty explosions doesn't get what Star Trek is supposed to be.
It doesn't have to be reflective of current ideologies or problems--but it does need to have a point. Many of the best Star Trek stories are when the crew reaches a new planet with a new civilization and they get caught up in that civilizations problems...which are reflective of our own problems or conflicts, either from the past or the present. It doesn't need to be about Klingons and the Federation waterboarding people.
It would be nice if they just start with a THEME, like the old Star Trek did--have an idea for something they would like to discuss, then work a story around that--rather than this last film which was too busy with trying to impress us with how they are restarting the franchise than actually have a reason to restart the franchise (well, other than making money which is really why they did it in the first place).
Oh yeah, and bothering to review what the old shows did well and trying to emulate that so it actually feels like STAR TREK might be nice too... -
A film that makes a lot of money (especially a summer film) does not mean it was a good film by any means. Transformers 2 made a lot of money (also written by Star Trek's Orci and Kurtzmann) and that was a steaming pile of F*cking Stupid.
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that was a totally obnoxious, stupid and boring waste of your time and mine.
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having fist fights with each other and then the winner fucks the green chick. that is all.
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I enjoyed making it as much as you obviously enjoyed reading it...and you are right about Trek being about fist-fights and green pussy...
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It is also about math and the evolution of tall people who build skyscrapers and time machimes...But, it is NOT about Klingon produce cultivation since Klingons don't eat shit that grows in the ground...
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As long as the federation doesn't elect Obama I think we'll be ok. I wont watch a movie that's polarized by the obama-obsessed...
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political ideas into this talkback. troll.
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Sep 20, 2009 7:01:40 PM CDT
"having fist fights with each other and then the winner fucks th
by takingscorpioscalls
as the badguy from star trek 6 put it "it was meant this way, warrior to warrior. LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR!"
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Reviving TREK was a very risky business and to succeed JJ and company had to appeal a wide, varied market. Now that the first movie is behind them, they are in a good position to deal with the issues you raised.I was a big fan of the new BSG and thought the dark aspects made the show. But it never caught fire with the mass audience because of that.I think THE DARK KNIGHT shows what is acceptable for "dark and twisted" with respect to today's mass audiences. IMHO for the new TREK audience, acceptable "dark and twisted" will likey have to be somewhere between NATIONAL TREASURE and THE DARK KNIGHT.
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nobody is reading your shit...nobody...
you're a soiled witless dipstick.
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You are very observant...apparently, NO ONE is reading this at all today...'cept you and me...Thanks, for the feedback.I only WISH I could express myself as eloquently as AsimovLives...and yourself, of course....That 'soiled witless dipstick' comment was pure genius...One quick question...when you masturbate, does the head of your penis EVER stick out above your thumb? Didn't think so....
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While i did not mind 2009, kirk and mccoy and spock and uhurah were out of character. The music for this is horrid and franchises need to stop redoing music that made thier franchises great. Music has sucked for star treks past 4 as they threw it out, as franchises like this and terminator and james bond and tron are doing and wondering why thier sequels tank.
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the music in that was ok, i much prefer the music from star trek 1-4 and TNG wich borrowed from Star Trek II brilliantly.
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abrams aparently didnt see any star trek movies as he swapped lines, kirk should have said he liked spock and bones should have said green blooded. plus i remember plenty of great comedic bickering between bones and spock that made the tv series wich was not present.
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they should have done an all computer generated like final fantasy the spirits within, simply had voicework from all the original cast and we could have had the original cast in new adventures (except replacing bones and scottys voices). Not only they could have characters from other st franchises do voicework.
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