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Tonight & Every Night!! THE JAY LENO SHOW Hits NBC Primetime!!
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I am – Hercules!!
James Douglas Muir Leno is fat and white-haired. He is richer than Jesus Christ and 59½ years old (which means he can start drawing from his IRA without a 10% IRS penalty). He’s been kissing the celebrity hinders of Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise and Angelina Jolie on the same snoozefest of a talk show for the last 17 years.
Can Leno possibly have enough fire in his belly to compete with “The Mentalist,” “CSI Miami,” “CSI New York,” “Numb3rs,” “Private Practice,” “Castle,” “The Good Wife,” “The Forgotten,” and “Eastwick,” let alone “South Park,” “Sons of Anarchy” and “The Real World/Road Rules Challenge”?
A pair of comedy.com correspondents attended a rehearsal run of “The Jay Leno Show” last week. Their report makes it sound like a top-tier bore. What was learned:
* It kicks off, like “The Tonight Show,” with a “lengthy” monologue.
* Kevin Eubanks is still Leno’s bandleader and foil, so we can look forward to more of their sizzling dialogues.
* Pretty-boy guitarist-comedian Nick Thune contributed a “hilarious” segment about preparing for high school.
* A desk is no longer involved in Jay’s celebrity interviews. Because the desk was what was making those “Tonight Show” interviews improbably lame.
* Guests will be ambush-interviewed by “JMZ,” Leno’s parody of “TMZ.”
* A celebrity (in the case of the rehearsal show Selma Blair, girlfriend of pretty-boy “Jay Leno Show” employee and “Kath & Kim” actor Mikey Day) is indeed conscripted to race a product-placement electric Ford Focus around a racetrack. “Jay didn’t seem into it at all!” reports comedy.com. “Selma had two minutes to go around the track twice. She made it in 58 seconds … that felt like an hour.”
* Comedian Tom Papa performed a “very funny” four-minute stand-up routine.
* Leno ended with a segment about “back-to-school products.” According to comedy.com:
The gag products included a laptop that makes paninis, a juice box full of steroids (it was of course called, “Juiced”), a Guitar Hero Sandwich (which was just a hero sandwich strapped onto a Guitar Hero controller), and our favorite – a teacher’s chalkboard that folded out to a sexy bed for seducing students. […] Somewhere, Carrot Top must be pissed at Leno for stealing his act.
Besides Thune, those now in the employ of “The Jay Leno Show” as on-air personalities include:
Owen Benjamin:
Mikey Day:
Liz Feldman:
Dan Finnerty:
Marina Franklin:
Rachael Harris:
D.L. Hughley:
Sebastian Maniscalco:
Ross “The Intern” Matthews:
Jim “The Observer” Norton:
Brian Unger:
The funniest promo created for “The Jay Leno Show” to date:
The first show's guests are Jerry Seinfeld, Jay-Z, Rihanna and Kanye West.
10 p.m. Monday-Friday. NBC.
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I really want this to fail.
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I mean you just wrote an overlong article full of embedded YouTube videos, to tell us how boring (and fat!!!) Leno is! I wish you bring up that much energy for a Supernatural talkback! (Although I appreciate the ad for The Zone, back then. Even if it was a pretty Kanye move.[Yes, Kanye is now an adjective. I don't think I have to explain what it means.)
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What is with these entertainers who refuse to step out of the spotlight? Go home and count your money, dude. Or wash your 6,000 cars. Get a chin job. Anything.
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Sep 14, 2009 5:40:27 AM CDT
For the good of network TV, Leno needs to fail. That simple.
by pennsydeux
Jay Leno must crash and burn and to the point where no network will ever go this route again. If he succeeds, then TV will be worse off more than the cancer of reality shows ever could or have inflicted already.
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But this show is going to be a hit. Ratings show that the audience lost when Leno left the Tonight Show hasn't returned. Leno has a huge fan base and they'll just watch him an hour earlier. It was a huge mistake to force the guy out when they did.
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Leno's always been a bland, generic comic. Fucking geriatric Matlock audience will probably be enough for execs to think this is the wave of the future. This is the last chance for audiences to take a stand. Will they finally draw a line in the sand and demand better prime time entertainment or will American audiences continue to go down the reality/American Idol/Dancing with the Stars/Jay Leno path to putrid television hell? Stay tuned...
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Not always. And I've got the VHS to prove it.
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Leno was a very funny comic, and a bit edgy when he first started out. In fact, when he was a regular guest of LETTERMAN's on the old Late Night program, Leno was great. It was when he started blanding it up for middle America on the Tonight Show that he went from sharp cheddar to processed cheese.
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seriously. at least at some point Leno HAD talent and is riding off that.
what has herc ever been successful at? blocking a supernatural talkback?? wow herc. YOUR OPINION ON LIFE IS SO FRIGGEN AWESOME IT HURTS -
hell or even most nights?
I'll catch this , the Daily Show, Colbert and then Craig Ferguson.
Great way to end the night.
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had to say it.
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Funny how you mention reality/American Idol/Dancing with the Stars in a negative manner. What in the world do you think would be filling this time slot? Networks are pushing for MORE reality shows.
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nobody, much less the esteemed Herc, has mentioned that Whedon has finally won an Emmy. I thought it would be front page news here. Michael J. Fox got another one as well.As for Leno, NBC put themselves into this little jam. As long as the profits keep coming in, GE won't care what it does to TV. Leno being Leno, I wouldn't underestimate him, regardless of if you like or dislike him.
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the late late show returned with a brand new host. Ryan tubridy. Ryan is the youngest chat show host in the world. he is 35 years. he began his career aged 12 reviewing books on the long defunct radio show called popqarama. It helps that he is a member of the andrews dynasty, one of irelands oldest political families and were founder members of fianna fail. and he is also the cousin of Irish comic david mcSavage who is the son of David andrews, who helped setup redcross ireland. anyhoo...back to tubbers as he is called. if you are talking to a leader especially your own. do you take a civill route. do you allow the leader a chance to reply. there is a lot of anger in ireland. most of which is politically motivated. Tubbers went the flow and got stuck in the current leader of the country. It recieved a mixed review. as did the piece with bryan mcfadden who was asked to comment on his ex-wife after pictures emerged of Kerry Katona snorting cocaine in front of her kids. The late late show is in its 47th year. The new set looks horrible. and they may want ro re think the late late studio band. Tubbers is a vast improvement on Pat kenny who returns to current affairs. If you want to know why Kenny gave up the late late. This is from an interview he did shortly after giving up the late late. "I thought about sigining a new contract and talked it over with my wife kathy and she said if you do another 5 years of that show. the garage will be a very lonely place for you." ouch! late lates is the biggest show in irishh braod casting. oh and tv3 are contrevention of EU broadcasting law of their decision to sponsor Vincent browne show. and Late late also has a sponsor. The Quinn grp.
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....how much this turd makes Jim Norton and Dan Finnerty seem unfunny. Those two could save the show but they're going to get the same treatment as Stuttering John did.
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Between Leno-hate and SNL-love. I mean, _I_ they're both fucking awful pieces of unfunny shit, but...
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With Leno's paycheck and that many on air people doing stuff I wonder just how expensive each episode is. I wonder if it really is all that cheaper than an hour long drama. It might be half as expensive but if it was just 100% the tonight show but earlier then it would probably be a tenth as expensive.
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I admit that I'm not the biggest bible expert in here, but I can't remember that people ever talked about Jesus as a rich man. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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He's "safe" to watch and therefore edgy as a kitchen sink sponge, so naturally his new show will be huge in the ratings. Just wait.
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Do people still watch Conan. I've watched and loved his show since back when Andy sat next to him on the couch in that ugly tan colored set, but I've pretty much become totally indifferent to his 11:30 show.
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Do people still watch Conan. I've watched and loved his show since back when Andy sat next to him on the couch in that ugly tan colored set, but I've pretty much become totally indifferent to his 11:30 show.
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Just kidding. Damn double posts
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Cuz the very concept of Leno every fucking night in primetime should be enough to make us all realize we should turn the fucking TV off and read a book.
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But rather a colossal misfire, a hyper-expensive vanity piece. Who's going to watch this shit, seriously? Are there that many 70-somethings looking for something dull to watch at 9pm?
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They can push Conan as the new Tonight Show host and keep Leno so those Leno fans don't feel so alienated. These shows are immensely cheaper to produce than the hour-longs it is competing against, even when you factor in Leno's salary. Leno has the formula already, the hardest thing for him is going to be finding guests. No one wants to compete against their own shows and the networks are putting pressures on all of their actors to avoid appearing during prime hours on his show, even if promoting a movie or outside project. I don't blame them for that. I think it will get some ratings for people to check in to see how dumb this idea was and then it will die.
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...those YouTube clips of Jay's staff make Carrot Top look like Chris Rock (in a comedic sense).
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I remember when he got Hugh Grant fresh off his arrest for banging some skanky hooker. Now I can't help but notice his first guest is Kanye West, fresh off his mega-douchbag turn at the VMAs. So expect a high volume of viewers tuning in for that.
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Oh Lord Yeah!
I mean Jesus Fucking Christ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I'm looking forward to watching this re-creation of the wreck of the Hindenburg. DOWN IN FLAMES, JAYBOY!!!!! -
and those I 'll catch later-Castle,Sons of Anarchy(its on FX and will be on multiple times,Why watch it at 10pm?) and the Mentalist...nothing else at 10 interests me. CSI: Miami and NY ? isn't that on like 100 time a day? Road Rules? that POS is still on?
Seriously even if the rest of the show sucks I'll tune in for the monologue if nothing else and only stick around IF the guest is interesting -
that promo was funny. His show will in now way hurt television. Tell me what comes on at 10 pm on ABC or CBS that you think will be hurt by the Jay Leno Show being on. Most Network programming already is terrible and the halfway decent stuff comes on before 10pm. If you don't like this, watch Bizarre Foods or Monk or South Park or Mythbusters or Man vs. Wild or Tool Academy repeats or Seinfeld repeats or TMZ or something from your DVD collection. There are hundreds of choices of something to watch at 10pm every night. Some good, some bad. There's something for everybody. Some people enjoy Jay Leno and nobody gets more A-List Stars on their show than Jay Leno. Maybe you consider him kissing their asses (I don't) but he is just respectful and jovial with them, not mean like Letterman. If you don't like Leno, don't watch. Turn to ABC and watch Primetime or whatever shit they have on CBS. Just don't think you're somehow superior to everyone else because it's the "hip" thing to hate Jay Leno. Letterman is jealous of him. Conan is jealous of him. And especially Howard Stern, who in a million years could NEVER get a Late Night Network TV Show. He also can't get anywhere near the calibur of guests Leno gets. He has on nobodies like Perez Hilton and Brody Jenner. He's an angry, bitter man who can't understand why so many people dismiss him as a juvenile broadcaster who depends on pornography and others to be funny for him. Stern depends on a rotating cast of dozens of others, who get no credit or money (just a fraction) of the salary he gets to work just 4 days a week and gets 12 weeks off a year. He has no work ethic and he is a giant bore...
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I'm one of the crankiest TBers here, and for some odd reason I cannot hate on this guy. He's done his job dutifully for years, he's never tried to be something he's not and he's largely harmless. Herc, your little dig that Leno has been kissing celeb ass for decades is kind of unfair too. How is Leno any different from Letterman, Ferguson, Stewart or that fat guy on ABC? Their entire job is to host celebs promoting shit (or promoting themselves). That's a talk show. Period.
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I have nothing against Jay, or the blandness he has become in general, but I have absolutely no interest in this show. That being said, sadly we are witnessing a continual dumbing down and cheapening of America, so this will be a big, bland hit. Soon to be copied by everyone else, as if it already hasn't been done a million times. Not that most of TV doesn't already suck, watered down for the masses. And for those wondering why we're pissed about this, but still grudgingly accepting it as the inevitable: Jouneyman, Firefly, The Middleman, Angel, Pushing Daisies, Invader Zim, Futurama, My So-Called Life (no, really), Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Farscape (was justing getting into that), Freaks & Geeks, Sports Night (and I don't even like most sports), Wonderfalls, Action, ARRESTED MOTHER****ING DEVELOPMENT... I could go on. Meanwhile, According To Jim (finally cancelled... or is it?) and Two And A Half Men live on for a decade or so. *Sigh*
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The arbiter of what's funny he is not.
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this show has to fail or this could become the biggest threat for quality series since reality shit. Why spent 2 Mio per episode when you can earn more profit with a show that cost a fifth of that?It's not like that there a lot good network shows in that time slot currently, but with less spots to fill with series there is less room for experiments like NBC did with Studio 60, Kidnapped, Black Donnellys or Journeyman just 2-3 years ago. And this is the only timeslot networks can get a bit edgier.
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Leno's show isn't preventing shows like MAD MEN, BREAKING BAD or many others from happening. And those shows on cable are more critically acclaimed than the ones on network television. We've got more TV options now than at any other time. I think the hysteria over Leno killing the 1 hr drama is silly.
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suck. Hard. Fuck this unfunny walking chin and his new show. Asshole can't stand that Conan has the Tonight Show now and is already trying to steal guests. Fail, Leno. And please...do it quickly.
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And see that Zucker wanted Leno to do this show. Leno didn't beg to do anything. And "stealing guests" is the biggest farce in the history of talk show drama. Like Jennifer Aniston can't do more than one appearance?
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I have a hard time thinking Sons of Anarchy viewers are really going to choose to watch Jay Leno over SoA. The audiences are not the same. The people that will watch this watch whatever is in front of them at 10pm. I don't think that many younger viewers (anyone under 40 I'd say) turns on the TV for hours on end every night. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't watch TV that way and neither does anyone else I know. We watch specific things, at certain times, and don't just watch tv because we are bored.
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The only thing bigger than Len's chin is his damned ego.
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I like Leno, I've always liked Leno but this shit has to be stopped. Leno already pissed me off by crossing the picket line, now he's going to stick to the writers again all for the glorification of his massive ego.
You had a great run Jay, we filled Carson's shoes nicely and were the highest rated talk show for years, but the time has come to ride into the sunset.
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...why was his ratings better than Letterman's for nearly the entire time that Leno hosted the Tonight Show? It is my opinion that those Letterman and Conan thumpers are a lot like Macintosh thumpers. They think that they are more intelligent for embracing something that just doesn't truly live up to its name. Yeah, Macs are nice computers with fewer viruses (since fewer virus creators want to waste their time with 10% of American computers...with 35% of them actually owned by the government or schools). Yeah, I would rather spend my $$$ on THREE great PCs than one good Macintosh. The hype is, well, misleading. If Letterman was actually funny, people would have been watching him over the years instead of Leno. Rather, Letterman's monolithic monologues are boring -- and his gimmicks (such as "Will it sink or will it float?") are just plain lame. PREDICTION: The Jay Leno Show will have HUGE ratings this week, will settle down next week, and will eventually settle to a respectable showing. Those living on the east and west coasts will be happy to see this type of show at an earlier hour on M, T, W and Th, and it will win its time slot at least once or twice each week. For NBC, this is a quick and major victory!
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for Seinfeld alone. I don't care for Leno, but I do find his opening monologues funny.
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But then again, are any of these hosts model citizens or examples of humility? Maybe Ferguson? Dude, it's show business- egos are everywhere- the hosts, the guests, the executives... what's the point of your complaint?
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Original programming is being taken up by cable. The networks are bloated and unprepared for their shrinking futures. So, the cost-cutting they enjoy from reality tv, etc. is their only way to respond at the moment. They're already trying to abandon the Nielson ratings system in favor of some bullshit new system the networks invented. They're desperate. They're incompetent too.
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If by future you mean going back to the Milton Berle Colgate Comedy Hour.
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EPIC FAIL!
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ratings do not equal good. Jay Leno is not funny. He never has been. And if Johnny Carson, and even NBC (in the end), had their way, Letterman would have followed in Carson's footsteps. What does it tell you that Johnny Carson couldn't stand Leno? The guy's a hack. He didn't want to even give over the reins to Conan, and used his leverage to land this ridiculous new show. Just because the unwashed masses like the guy has never, and still does not make him funny. He's an ass, and while it may not happen...he deserves to see this show tank.
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Nice spoiler alert, Herc. Here's the major spoiler. It's going to be unfunny bullshit, that's going to gobble a massive amount of cock.--End Spolier.
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People have shitty taste, I agree. I think Ben Stiller is an unfunny fuckface, and I don't watch his movies. But he sells tickets and has a large following. I don't begrudge people loving the guy. I don't really care, to be honest. And so what if he wanted to keep his job? Does that make him a bad guy? I think you're taking shots at the guy and they're all kind of besides the point. Does Jay Leno deserve a new show? Well, his ability to make NBC money for a long time seems to justify it. I would say Ben Stiller, who I despise, deserves to keep making movies too because he's making his bosses money. That's the way of the world.
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It requires TASTE and INTELLIGENCE to fully appreciate the comedic genius of Jay Leno, something Conan fans seriously lack.
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...then Letterman is a boring old man...and Conan is just plain silly. How many times do the idiots laugh at his "invisible strings?" Leno actually makes me laugh far more often than Letterman. Conan makes me laugh...but for silly reasons. Like someone said, the bottom line is that Leno racks in the ratings more than Conan and Letterman. NBC couldn't afford a three-way ratings war with Leno, Letterman and Conan O'Brien. Letterman and Conan would potentially split 45% of the viewers (who like that dry form of humor) and Leno would rake in the other 55% all to himself. This will be a cash cow for NBC. They will be making quite a bit of money with little overhead. Why is this potentially "bad" for television? Because other networks will notice that, due to the low overheard cost, THE JAY LENO SHOW makes more profit than even the most popular television shows. Other networks will scramble to find some way to do the same. It will last for a while...until it somehow cycles back around again and some network creates a great new television show.
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Then there will be a mess of imitators at ten, driving even more drama series off the tube.
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"FEATURING NIGGARLESS CAGE AND PAMALER ANDASON!"
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If Kanye shows up, it should be interesting. Puts me in mind of the catchphrase Letterman tried to start way back: They pelted us with rocks and garbage. I could see Kanye living that tonight. I as much as anyone expect to hate the Leno Show but if Kanye comes out and is booed and yelled off stage, that might be the best tv episode ever.
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First, I love how dramas are "endagered" like the spotted owl. These poor, defenseless dramas! Oh, who will stick up for them? After NBC killed them with their greedy, bloody claws! Get a grip, folks. First of all, YOU all killed the dramas by not watching STUDIO 60 and LIFE like good, loyal drones. Wait, you didn't embrace those shows? But- but- why not?
But what's this? AMC? USA? HBO? Showtime? They have dramas now? Holy tits! I think we'll be OK! -
Mind if we use these ridiculous threads for Supernatural S5 discussion? HOW THIS IS COOL NEWS? It's not even geeky news, like Twilight can make a lame case for. Yet it goes up instead of Supernatural? Fucking bull.
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why 5 days a week for?...overkill...I can maybe seeing this work if he was on maybe 2 times a week or 3 at most...this reminds me of the initial run of Who Wants To Be a Millionaire on ABC...the ratings were amazing when the show was on once a week...but then ABC got greedy and put the show on every single day and of course ratings tanked soon after
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'Nuff cannot be said about that idiotic, talentless racist who thumps for Beyonce and Obama because he is black.
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*Sorry about the typo.
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Rachel Harris, Jim Norton, et al, reduced to what sounds like this dreck. Oh well, as long as this helps their careers! (the budding careers that is, DL and Jim Norton are probably screwed).
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...will cost about the same as THE TONIGHT SHOW, but the ratings will probably be twice as big as THE TONIGHT SHOW. That will be money in the bank for NBC!
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Um, guy? Re: your ill-informed, oh hell just plain ignorant mini-rant about the diff between MACS and PC's. Uh, are you familiar with the concept of an Operating System? That and that alone is what separates the mostly virus free MACS from the garbage that is any Microsoft OS. It is the code - the quality of the code that keeps hackers out. It has nothing to do with how many MACS are sold. Hackers love to hack the hardest OS out there. That is how they get off. Any garden variety hack can take on microsoft though. MAC is nowhwhere near the toughest OS, but it is light years ahead of any windows based product. Next time, do your homework -preferably on a non virus filled system.
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My theory is that Windows purposely writes vulnerable code to give rise to this "anti-virus software" market- a complete fucking scam unto itself. I bet there are guys from Norton writing half of these viruess and worms themselves...
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I totally agree that the anti-virus folks are the ones writing the hack. Microsoft may very well have a self interest in not writing good code, and they make money off a gullible public, but they will never crack the ultra lucrative Enterprise level OS because you simply can not trust them.
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Sep 14, 2009 12:15:06 PM CDT
"It requires TASTE and INTELLIGENCE to fully appreciate the come
by peter franks
Thanks for that, Sithdan. I spit out my coffee upon reading that. Single funniest damn sentence I've read in years.
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and their star in a reasonably priced car bit. fucks sake!
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Are YOU familiar with operating systems? The reason that Macs have fewer viruses has NOTHING to do with its operating system. LOL! The reason that Macs have few viruses is because there is little reasons to create viruses for Macs...since they will only affect 10% of computers in America (of which only 6% are household computers). The "code" for Macs is good...in fact...it is great. However, the idea that a Mac is somehow superior to Linux (free) or even Windows 7 is simply mythological. Stop drinking Steve Jobs' Kool-Aid, you dumb fuck. Keep spending $2400 for a $800 computer system if you want to (and overly inflated software). As a person who works with both Macs AND PCs, I have had enough problems with the Macs to realize that the rumors of "superiority" are only true in the minds of arrogant pricks who want to feel "superior." Mac OSX+ are good operating systems. However, I have had more problems with my Macs than with my PCs. In fact, I have never had a major problem with my PCs that couldn't be fixed quickly and easily. On the other hand, I have dished out $99 to talk on a phone with some idiot at Apple to figure out that yet another piece of hardware was defective (AppleTalk, anyone?). However, the reason that I brought it up wasn't to encourage the arrogance of Mac owners (as if they had a right to be arrogant with their ridiculously expensive purchase). Rather, I wanted to point out the same sort of arrogance in the late night comedy shows. Letterman and Conan fans can scream all they want (ala Mac owners) about how much better their show is...but since the vast majority were tuned into Leno, their argument is moot.
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HBO, Showtime, F/X and AMC produce the best series in TV, but they are also the only cable and pay tv channels where you can see quality tv. Most of the time they air only 4 dramas combined per week. Not a lot for a series fan. Besides that ... except for HBO no cable channel has the money to produce shows like Lost, V, Studio 60 or Flash Forward.
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HaHa. I love that Stuttering John audition tape. I've heard it a million times, and I still find it funny.
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About 4 years ago- it was one of those Black Friday specials, etc. The hard drive crashed a week after the 1-year warranty expired, HP wanted to charge me to send me XP install discs (they didn't give me back ups with the computer, it all came pre-loaded onto the machine) and the amount of time I've wasted maintaining that machine has not made whatever $ I saved up front worth it. I've personally owned Macs since 2001 and aside from one laptop having a wonky screen (which was fixed by AppleCare) I've never had a catastrophic failure of any kind with any of my numerous machines. My old Titanium PB still works like a charm today.
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...enjoy trying to find good software for your computer. Yeah, I know that you are limited to the few companies who are willing to sell expensive games and productivity software to Mac owners...and that you have "compatibility issues" with certain files. But, hey, at least you THINK that you have a superior system since you spent THREE TIMES the amount for it! LOL! If something were to ever go wrong with my PC, I can just go and buy another one. I would still have a faster and capable system than some uber-expensive Mac system. But hey, enjoy your one button mouse!
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Other than The Soup on Friday night's comedy has been suffering since Leno was replaced by that redheaded stepchild.
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...I am still watching LOST. =)
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You make some decent points- generally speaking the networks have the most resources to promote and produce tv shows, but let me say 1) LOST pays for itself because it has a large audience, 2) most people have basic cable (which includes AMC, TNT, A&E, USA, F/X) and 3) if viewers don't embrace shows like STUDIO 60, then maybe they don't deserve those resources. Realistically, you could have done a show like STUDIO on F/X for 1/3 of its NBC budget, I'm betting. With different actors, etc. RESCUE ME has great production values and look at its success.
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Well seeing as how I did not stoop to the level of profanity laced retort -unlike some folks, your display of willful ignorance is not surprising. However, I am very, very familiar with multiple OS's - you might say I make my living off of them. In the realm of Home PC's Linux should be the king in terms of it's lack of vulnerability to viruses. It is not, due to the lack of apps currently written for it. Most UNIX based OS's crush all opposition in this regard. That is why UNIX based systems rule the Enterprise level distributed software. Windows do indeed suck. They require frequent rebooting - almost unheard of in mission critical apps, they easily crash, and they are far, far, far more likely to be subject to hack because of truly sloppy coding. Yes, because it is the most popular OS for home and non critical business usage, it is the most hacked. No question. However MAC is a far superior OS than windows by any measure. What can be debated is the quality of the hardware they run on.
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I do not own a MAC. I have a LINUX based and a windows based system. I keep my popular apps on the windows partition, but run my critical and important apps on the LINIX side.
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HE said to the effect that NBC was so afraid to lose Leno "that they're willing to destroy their own network". And that's exactly what's happening here. NBC is running up the white flag, and Leno is submarining Conan O'Brien as well, IMO. Egos abound here, and both NBC and Leno need to have theirs knocked down through the ground all the way to China.
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Okay. Well, I own a Mac, a PC and a Linux-based PC. Each has some advantages...but I am actually more fond of the Windows PCs than the others. BTW, if you stop look at porn or gambling websites, you can have a virus-free PC for years. =) Of course, for those of us with a Computer Science degree, we might be a little more careful than Joe Blo with a thirst for porn.
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The stupid commitment made to Conan (why?), and then the realization that Leno would not go away quietly, led to this. Howver, NBC has mad a calculation that: If Leno bombs, but Conan is worse, then Conan can be replaced by ---Leno. And if Conan then leaves, so what? He already bombed and is not likely to pose much of a threat. If Leno bombs and Conan does great, then let Leno go, and hope he does the stink goes with him and not have a Letterman like resurrection. If they both succeed, well hell yes!
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Oh, I now see where your animosity is coming from you are one of those and I quote "...drinking Steve Jobs' Kool-Aid, you dumb fuck. Keep spending $2400 for a $800 computer system if you want to (and overly inflated software). As a person who works with both Macs AND PCs," So, even though you worked with MAC's and found them wanting, you spent darn near 3k on them, and are now a tad peeved because of your own ignorance. The quality of, uh, hum, Computer Science degrees must be going down at ol MailinU.
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How did Jim Carrey ever beat Leno for the Scrooge role? No CGI neccessary!
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Sep 14, 2009 12:55:48 PM CDT
People watched Leno because he was on after the news.
by aversiontherapy2
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No, I bought it for $50 from the university auction. It seems that the university was finally smart enough to stop spending $5K on each Mac...when they can buy a PC for $1K. If you want to see arrogance, just read your first reply to me. You might not have used the word "fuck," but you were quite the self-serving prick.
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And I say that as a former mega-fan of Conan. He has become just as tame as Jay always was but remains far more awkward. Awkward can work great when you're funny. But when you stop being funny, it can spell disaster. Jay is at least fully aware of how lightweight his comedy is. Conan is still trying to sell himself as edgy. He was 5-10 years ago, but he's lost it all.
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premieres.
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I think after his summer break NBC had a sit down with him and his writers and a big chart of the ratings and made them watch episodes of the Jay Leno show. Because ever since he's come back from the break he has been pretty bad. Which also sucks because Letterman has been great. He thrives on getting good rating and positives. So its a toss up, bad Conan ratings means good Letterman but also mean bad Conan. At least Conans interviews have been good, just his monologs have sucked hard. And not in that oh its funny for a Conan joke to fail, they suck in that "Paul Blart is the funniest movie I've seen in a long time" - Jay Leno, sort of way.
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O&A FANS REPRESENT
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The fact that their are people out there WAITING for today. Old People love Leno.
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Has always sucked.
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Now they can go to bed an hour and a half earlier. Skip the news, it just scares and confuses them.
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On a mentally handicaped man who made it big. A touching LifeTime film.
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Sep 14, 2009 1:13:24 PM CDT
ccchhhrrriiisssm, I guess ol MailinU did not teach you Logic
by dirk_the_amoeba
You were posting about something that you clearly have no understanding of - operating systems and their code, and in an ill-informed and ignorant way. My words to you:
"Um, guy? Re: your ill-informed, oh hell just plain ignorant mini-rant about the diff between MACS and PC's. Uh, are you familiar with the concept of an Operating System?" And your subsequent posts have done nothing to change that opinion, in fact it has become worse. I truly hope you are lying about that Comp Sci degree though. -
Shut the fuck up please. Mac's rule all.
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A primary reason he got this show is that it is CHEAP to produce. NBC is in last place among the networks and can't afford to try new expensive shows that may or may not succeed. Leno's new show is cheap to produce. If if succeeds, other networks will follow suit. They will stop paying for some of these scripted dramas and put equally dull and lame "Leno"-like shows on the air. It's about money, not quality. On "The Tonight Show", the scripted comedy bits were usually the low point. On his new show we will not only get more of the same, but the WHOLE SHOW will be like that. Just for shits and giggles, use the 'net to dig up some reviews of Leno's first days hosting "The Tonight Show". There were some SAVAGE reviews, and the things he was criticized for never improved. Thank GOD we have 200 channels and a large DVD library at my house. There is absolutely NO reason I should ever have to watch Leno EVER AGAIN. If he devotes an entire week of shows to naked Hawaiian Tropic models, then I'll wait until the shows are posted on the internet and Leno himself has been edited out.
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HOW CONVENIENT he is a guest just a day or two after making an ass of himself on the Video Music Awards. How much you want to be NBC told him to drum up some buzz and hype so the debut show will generate bigger ratings? Kanye West is to "The Jay Leno Show" what Hugh Grant's prostitute escapade was to "The Tonight Show" ratings. It's all about the hype.
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Thanks for your uneducated but highly imaginative reasoning. Your constant rants about the superiority of Macs over PCs is truly illogical. That is, unless you want to admit that it would be quite easy to create a virus for Macs? You and Bruce Thomas Wayne could go back to bending over in order to allow Steve Jobs to keep up sodomizing your minds and wallets. Of course, you probably have a man-crush on the idiot who plays the Mac in the idiotic "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" commercials. Bottom line: Macs have some nice features, which of the least is NOT the cost. Good luck for using your Mac for anything OTHER than basic features or expensive programs. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to play YET ANOTHER game that can't be purchased for a Mac.
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lol..."The Jimmy Doogan Story...a simple minded but big hearted bagger at the local FoodMart finds love, life and happiness with the help of a kindly cashier. Costarring Rosie O'Donnell"
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I guess ol MailinU did not require that you have an ability to read either - 'just make an X and give us your money son, and we will give you a degree'. I have said that I do not own a MAC. I have LINUX and Windows running on two partitions. Windows is fine for non critical apps.But the amount of rationalization you are doing to justify your windows love is laughable. I mean, forget the Virus load just the simple need to reboot at the slightest hiccup is a killer on Windows. I would be willing to bet that you affection to windows does not extend to it being better than LINUX though. BIf your life depended on a Windows based app or a Linux based app - I am betting you would go LINUX. Then again you are one of those suicidal types so you would probably choose windows. Go play with your...games
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the panel. it was great because it had this non pc style. it was hosted by dara o briain before# he left ireland to host mock the week. It was rte on 2. it was the smarter version of the recently defunct Questions and answers. since it moved to rte one it has become less funny and more poltical. jason byrne has been given a quiz show. he doesnt work on tv.
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Seriously, it looks like Grampa Gump.
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I see no conspiracy there. West is a Tongue Cleaner of the highest order. But even he would not deliberately seek to destroy what little credibility he has by doing what he did as a stunt. He was either off his meds, or is simply and asshole tongue cleaner or may be both. Now he needs to mend some fences. And Leno needs a big guest for first show. Someone got bumped so that West could come on and apologize. As insincere as it will be. But it will get giant ratings.
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Anything less will be a travesty. West is an egotistical racist. Beyonce has class and handled that situation like a pro.
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Not that I've had much respect for them (especially MSNBC after it went the Fox New route), but come on. Most people didn't notice he was gone, nor do they care that he's coming back. Now if Johnny Carson comes back to Late Night, now that would be news!
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Leno sucks
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Sep 14, 2009 2:00:48 PM CDT
Leno is too busy kissing ass to "eviscerate" Kanye...or anyone
by spyguy
If you want evisceration, check out Craig Ferguson, who layed into Rep. Joe Wilson in a solid rant last week. Leno, meanwhile, is too busy sending Joe Wilson a fruit basket to coax him on his show.
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Is that article from 1980?
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what an assholio.
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... especially when they accidentally reveal their main reason for hating Macs--because they're not gaming machines. Whatever. Dirk was right... ccchhhrrriiisssm's Comp Sci degree didn't teach him any logic.
Look, genius, Macs aren't gaming machines because they *aren't* gaming machines and haven't been for a decade or more. And this is a problem? Apple is smart enough to not throw money down a rathole when they know they can't capture a market, and they *certainly* aren't the first ones into a market, either. They wait until they develop a superior solution, then step in and take over. Hence, iTunes and iPod's dominance of all things music, and now, the iPhone, which has become the cellphone's industry game-changer. If you know *anything* about gaming, you know that the game industry is dominated by consoles, not PCs. If a game comes out, it generally goes to the consoles first, then it's ported to the PC. In fact, PC game sales dropped 14% between 2007 and 2008. And that's despite the fact that PC game titles generally cost less.
For years, Apple has seen the PC game pie shrinking, so they're not stupid enough to waste money on that market. (They're also not stupid enough to create a new gaming console like Microsoft did with the XBox--which still doesn't dominate its market after millions of wasted dollars.) Instead, they're positioning the iPod Touch as the portable game machine of choice, and that device's popularity has literally exploded in the last year, primarily because of all the game titles that are now being generated for it. Of course, you haven't been paying attention to that... or much of anything, obviously.
In all your bitching about price, you left out the fact that if you want a *quality* gaming PC, a new Alienware starts at $1500-$1700 and skyrockets from there, depending on how you want to mod it. And you're complaining about Apple's prices? (Which you've totally inflated, of course, because your argument is so weak. You can get an MacBook for less than a grand, and an iMac for less than $1200.)
Finally, many of us Mac folk are former PC users (and IT people) who got tired of the lousy code and constant crashing, horrible customer service and the barrage of spyware, adware and viruses we had to put up with. Some of us just want to turn on our computer and get actual work done.
I love my iMac and wouldn't trade it for anything. Although I can always sell it and use the hundreds I get towards my next Mac purchase. Used Macs go to eBay. Used PCs go to recycling.
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but a guy can dream...
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Sep 14, 2009 2:16:08 PM CDT
Someone Announce the Ratings Here, ATTN: ThusSpakeSpymunk
by thusspakespymunk
I'm dying to know how badly this show will do. Even if the initial ratings are good, no audience today has the stamina for a week of the same show, especially when it's as bland as this. Did you know other networks are very pleased with NBC's decision? Right from the get-go, the competition said things in interviews like "We're thrilled they're doing this - it's going to totally collapse. And they've got NOTHING planned to replace it, meaning we can cycle out some great new 10pm shows while they crash and burn."
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...Herc actually thinks reality shows are not only interesting, but something the readers here give a ship. So take his opinions of Leno with a HUGE grain of salt.
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The Time magazine article pretty much says it all in regards to Jay Leno. Read it, if you haven't.
If Leno's failure means the return of dramas to TV, then I would be in favor of it. But if it means more reality series in his place, then I hope Leno's new show becomes a long-running staple.
As much as we may all hate it, we live in a reality show world. Internet and TiVo have literally destroyed TV as we know it, and the cheaper the show is to produce, the more likely it is to air. With fewer people watching ads, and fewer sources of ad revenue (including Hulu.com, which does not begin to generate anything close to cable or network TV), this trend will continue.
Ultimately, the only dramas with large budgets will be on pay cable. Dramas on basic cable will still have tight budgets, and the first person who creates a popular drama close on a reality show budget will be an industry darling and very, very successful.
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"The first person who creates a popular drama on a reality show budget will be an industry darling and very, very successful."
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His routines were the same crap other comics were doing - he was, however, louder and meaner when he ripped into topics such as airline stewardesses or "Soft Batch" cookies, which made it a lot of fun. If Leno would be that aggressive, I'd watch. My favorite old Leno bit? "Kimba eat potato!" "No, Kimba... you put a little hat on it."
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Small type at top: "Cancer vaccine? Uh, maybe." Cover photo, large font? "OMG LENO ON TEEVEE!"
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Let alone mention last nights incident.
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He is killing 5 hours a week of prime scripted show time, putting the cast, crews, writers, directors of 5-10 separate shows out of work.Not to mention foisting 5 hours of himself on all of us.It would be great of one of his guests would say " I was up for a job, we did a pilot, but NBC said Nope, we gave the slot to Leno" right to his face.
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from now on.what an attention-whore dumbass gay-fish
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if it does. Too much ego, brand identity, and investment.
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So far so good. The one thing Leno did better than any of his contemporaries was the monologue, you just can't compare to a standup background. No amount of youtube embeds of a bunch of fuck nobodies shitting on Leno will be worth the hair on your ass pimple when Leno's show will once again tower over the rest. Spread that on toast and eat it with a nice glass of warm milk.
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a combination of procedural crime and medical dramas.
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Guy looks so spaced out he probably thinks it's still 2005.
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Those shows are mostly derivative garbage. A few of them would be fine, but there's got to be at least 20 playing on network TV every week. CSI, Law and Order, and NCIS take up probably a little less than half of those.
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and headlines on Wennsday. I like to laff at people stoopider than me, and those Leeky-Butts marrige announcements make me go tinkle in my pj's.
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Uhhh yeah.
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They would bump Kanye West and bring Taylor Swift on the show.
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When CSI Miami kicks off its new season next monday, Caruso and gang will be checking out the murder of a late night talk show hosts ratings.
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If only for Abby and Mark Harmon, but watch it before you attack. It's more a character piece than a procedural. The crimes could hardly matter less.
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Leno's HUGE ego wouldn't let him go out quietly. If it wasn't for this, ABC would have made Leno their late night host and kicked Jimmy to the curb. Now you get to see Leno stink up the airwaves for a year, then he'll get dropped and he will take Jimmy's spot next year. And in the meantime, Conan gets to shore up The Tonight Show.
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Navy NCIS.
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He's the only funny thing on that channel. And he's a lot funnier then rambling Fergeson. Who has much funnier interviews then monologs and skits, but yes he has the shortest interview time.
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The thing is, all you're seeing is a return to the trash that used to run on tv. What most people don't realize is that the TV of the 50s was a barren wasteland. Orson Welles couldn't get a show made on old TV (he tried, a serious drama with experimental camerawork and the like - basically what you'd expect from him - and he was told "no thanks"). We're moving back to variety hours, cowboy singing, wrestling and mind-numbing game and talk shows. This isn't a "dumbing down" but rather a return to center. Is it dumb? Oh, my, yes. But where before money would drive networks and studios to strive a LITTLE once in a while to try something experimental to wrest the last of the cash from the "consumer" (disgusting term if you think about it) public, the 'net has drawn away the entire audience - since they can now watch monkeys taking a shit for free (and that's basically all the 'net really is in terms of video entertainment) on the 'net. So, the thing is - tv is returning to what it was, the biggest wasteland ever. And I'm all for it ... you know why? Because I honestly believe that the pieces of shit who sit there drooling out their mouths and can't add 2+2 and don't know why children can't find America on a map of the United States DESERVE that wasteland. And nothing more. My hope is that as the world shifts toward an artless/joyless/gluttonous mass without borders or countries, the true artists will trade work between themselves, in secret, leavibng the teeming piss-on-themselves pile of human refuse to eat their own feces eventually as the only possible arbiter of taste, "consuming" themselves like cannibals until all that's left is a single bulbous entity that is "them," the mob, the mass, the Blob, eating and shitting and doing nothing else, unable to even put two coherent words together. Meanwhile, I'll be listening to Mozart over here. In short? Fuck all y'all.
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Make that 2 hour Larry The Cable Guy variety show they've been teasing us with all these years!
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In awe
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Sep 14, 2009 4:22:46 PM CDT
If you want to see everything wrong with Jimmy Fallon...
by thusspakespymunk
... look no further than when Demi Lavato was on his show. Now, I'm a fan of Demi - I think she's got a really good voice and can sing to high hell and she's going to be a real star in a few years. Make fun of me for that all you want, but I saw Fallon interview her, and I immediately saw the problem.Fallon wants to be famous. I don't mean "SNL Famous," but rather Household Name famous. To that end, because he wants it so bad, he's GOING ABOUT IT IN A TOTALLY ARTIFICIAL WAY. And the result is that he's totally making the audience disengage. You want proof? Watch this clip:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-5KJ23becHe's trying to ARTIFICIALLY CREATE A MEME. And as a result, it's total failure. Watch poor Demi sit there being baffled by what Jimmy wants. WE in the audience know it. But Demi's clueless that he's using her to piggyback to fame. And try to create a meme. You can't INVENT a meme, dipshit.
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Why does that feel less like a prediction than an order?
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We barely know anything about the main characters. It's like Mission Impossible.
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All I know is I'm a gay man and I want to hump Abby.
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I think my dog even wants to have at her.
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THANKS JAY!
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...American style. Just go nuts with it.
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Have a guy dressed as a large fruit, bring out girls with tits hanging out of their dresses, and Jay has to grow a mustache. I'd tune into that shit.
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Why would anyone want to see a 10:00 talk show? Talk shows are things you watch close to midnight, half asleep, and preferably half in bed already. They are not the sort of shows you watch at 10:00 unless you’re ready to go bed at 10 and wake up at 4 AM with your walker in the car by 7 so you can get to the buffet early and get that blue early bird discount token for dinner at NOON. Of course what kind of other entertainment does someone like that enjoy? Oh look at Jay interview media whores on the sidewalk who pretend to not know what color the White House is, tee-hee. Oh look at Jay look at funny news headlines, har-har, all sent into his show for free by senior citizens while they cut their 10 cent coupons for Depends. Why am I so bitter about Jay? Because thanks to this outdated Studebaker of a comedian every decent 10:00 NBC show has been bumped to 9:00, or bumped away entirely. Former 9:00 shows were then bumped to 8 and then shows like Chuck get bumped to January when, hopefully, Jay Leno’s show will be canned like the stinky bad tuna that it is. You should’ve retired with grace, Leno. Now we get to laugh at you…and not in a way you’ll like.
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Exactly.
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Couldn't NBC put this thing on the kiddie hour of 7pm, or 8pm, and leave the 10pm hour to scripted dramas!
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Jay Leno's show should only be on Monday, Wednsday, and Friday......Conan needs to get edgy again....They need to fire Jimmy Fallon and get Triumph The Insult Comic Dog to host Late Night.
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I can't believe in all those shows that Herc cited, he didn't put in the NFL powerhouse that is MNF. Bills are gonna get killed tonight. That makes me sad.
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Bit of a puff piece, but it does put Leno / NBC's move within a historical and economic context.
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I've been around enough to have seen plenty of Carson, Dave, Jay and Conan... Hell, I even saw Arsenio and even at one brief span, Jon Stewart's old failed venture. I just don't really care about talk shows much these days, I seem to rarely catch them, and when I do make it a point to see something about that hour, it's usually the Daily Show & The Colbert Report. I record Conan... but I rarely watch it, and even when I do, it's not the whole show. I'm glad Conan's back with Andy, but his show just doesn't feel right at all, and I'm sorry he may be getting up there, but he still seems wrong for that early, blandy vein of the Tonight Show. All my faves have lost their edge; Dave then Conan, have lost it, and I don't have a replacement. I won't watch Jay not because I hate him, but because, I just don't have time to or care much about his show.
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the Kanye thing is a publicity stunt.
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Totally. When an actor does the same thing that got him news a second time, it's a stunt. It's like the painful 2nd Debbie Downer skit on SNL when they tried everything to break up the audience because of the first one's trip to hell.
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after the stunt. Everyone I know and their mother turned on MTV to see what the fuss was about. Even a guy who I would've thought in a million fucking years would never put on that channel did. I didn't give the pricks the satisfaction though. I have a pair.
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There, that more accurate?
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leno knows how to deliver the guests everybody loves (sarcasm)
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Sep 14, 2009 7:34:44 PM CDT
Patrick Swayze's dead and Michael Moore's alive...
by cheyne_stoking_dms
There is no God.
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That Leno always gets lucky.
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Just say you don't like him. Leno is a bore but I predict it will do well. His fans that left the Tonight show haven't gone over to Dave, so people will watch.
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Leno's new show has taken away the jobs of thousands of industry professionals already struggling in a tough economy. Great job, NBC.
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LOL!!!!! What a fucking stupid name. And I hate that chick that sings and comes out clapping before the commercials. You notice another forgettable theme song?
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Which is far more writers than what you'd get on a scripted show. "Thousands of jobs" are lost in one industry and MILLIONS are lost in all other industries. Cry me a fucking river.
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He's like the jock prick pissing on a someones shining moment. doesnt matter who the real winner was, when the names said you respect the majority vote. I used to like Kanye, but not anymore. someone needs to interupt one of his award wins. Damn that fucking head of his got big quick. What happened to humble easy to appraoch down to earth talents. Where are they now????
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23 is a small percentage of the jobs that could have gone out for these dramas, which often DO rival that number. And why allow NBC to FURTHER contribute to the growing amount of job losses? Leno's defense is a failure of PR.
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would happen. then he could do the whole I'm sorry shit and eventually they do a song together and he makes more money and fame. It's all about that any attention is better than no attention. she should have kicked him in the nuts.
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The car wash chick was scared.
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Sep 14, 2009 9:23:01 PM CDT
Lenny Nero, I'll say the same thing to you that I said before
by yackbacker
If shows like STUDIO 60 and LIFE were being watched by people, there wouldn't be a JAY LENO SHOW. The network has a right to re-gig things instead of making the same mistakes over and over again. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? He said it was a sign of insanity.
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Why doesn't Kanye interrupt THIS instead?
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They look uncomfortable and so do Jay and Jerry. Look at the way Jay's leg is propped up. It's unnatural. But I like his suit and tie and his hair looks pretty.
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Zucker didn't want to compete with Leno, so he decided to give him five full fucking hours of primetime to save face. You mention a couple shows that failed, but you fail to mention the countless shows that do work on many networks. Same mistakes? How about one of their lowest-rated shows, Friday Night Lights, which after two seasons is now making money for NBC because of a new and innovative method of business.
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Other shows work on other networks because their costs are lower too. Are you telling me BURN NOTICE or PSYCH costs the same as an hour-long on NBC? No way- the production values, casting, etc. are generally bloated compared to the non-broadcast nets. It just so happens that Zucker is doing something innovative. Yes, he probably played defense by keeping Leno around (he should have just cut Conan loose to be honest and kept Leno on TONIGHT) but the networks rarely sit around and wait 2 years for a show to grow an audience. This isn't welfare for Hollywood- it's a business. And business decisions are being made. So, I give NBC credit for doing something new.
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Don't bloat the damn costs. The unions all cost the same no matter the network, the film costs the same, it's mostly executives and overpaid and overrated actors that change those numbers. The new idea should be to take chances. "Retooling" another Tonight Show is the opposite of a new idea. That's being lazy.
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no you aint. you planed this shit. did this get him on leno tonight??? WTF asshoels always getting the spot light. remeber these interviews are rehersed. look at the face after mom. bullshit!!!!!!!!
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Oh my god, I think I love Jay Leno.
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Why the hell is Jay Leno hosting from Arsenio Hall's old set?
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Was the funniest shit I've ever seen ever, Awards shows are shit and meaningless and your fucking acceptance speeches no one cares about, fuck you!!!!
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fucking box of rocks I've ever seen. This FUCK should be banned from all media. So that's his talent "Whazup!" Give me a break. Who the fuck likes this shit? Lazy sounding piece of shit. He gives a "N" a bad name.
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Do whatever you want, as long as you show up on TV the next day and pretend to cry, it's ok. fuckstick.
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Sep 14, 2009 9:53:34 PM CDT
Well, maybe this will drive production groups to come in lower
by yackbacker
The LENO show is a shot across their bows, and if they cannot provide a less expensive alternative, they will have to take their act to cable. And that's the thing, do we know for certain that the number of productions has gone down for television? It seems like more and more networks are doing original programming- more original hours are being produced than ever. It jsut so happens that the broadcast networks are less important to the younger demographic than ever. Kids watch their TV online, or DVRd, etc. They watch their TV in their rooms on their own schedule. There is no such thing as "Must See TV" for them. Everything is a la carte.
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After every doctor on Creation told him "you cannot put your mother through this surgery, she'll die" he kept forcing the issue until he found some doctor to perform that cosmetic surgery she so desperately needed. The dude is a scumbag.
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Because it's the exact same thing Dave did on the old NBC show with 'Smalltown News".
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*In Walter Sobchak voice* Has the whole World gone crazy?!!?
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I just loved how Jay schooled him. It was like he was talking to a 5 year old (which, I'm guessing, is the only way to communicate with Kanye West).
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Started off with horrible bit, singing and dancing at a car wash, then really bad Seinfeld "interview" with Oprah, then it got worse....Kanye West mumbles like a retard and then him, Rhiana, and Jay-Z do some shit song...close with stale and unfunny headlines bit. Oh, did I forget to mention the Cheaters sketch bit that might have been relevant back in 2001? This was totally unfunny fucking shit.
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they go over it several times before they do it live. Don't be fooled. There was no improvisation used. maybe someone with some real balls taped the pre prep interview.
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thinking about the scribble designs on his head then he does being a person. I remember the good-ol days when a retard was someone who sold crack to kindergarten kids. After seeing Kanye, that ain't so bad now.
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Seriously.
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I fully believe that "Life" was canceled to make room for Leno. Lower-rated and more expensive shows have survived worse.
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A Bag Of Rocks is at least potentially useful to have around sometimes.It is okay for a Bag of Rocks to be as dumb as a bag of rocks.Kanye could improve his personality 10000% and still be less fun to have around.Kanye thinks he was POLITE to Taylor Swift by jumping up, interrupting her, stomping on her moment, her award, but he he thought it was gallant to say "i'mo letchoo finish"--even a bag of rocks would have known better.
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Thats in addition to getting the Tonight Show itself. Not that it matters now that Lettermen has gotten weird in his old age. Chevy Chase weird.
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To quote Jeffrey Lebowski "Well, that's like your opinion, man." Either way, we both agree the current economic model for broadcast networks sucks, yes? Let me say that while we don't agree on this issue, I do appreciate your not being a dick.
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And as for the "real" late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is my favorite.
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I can't see how their respective comedy can at all mesh and I'm a fan of both. If FX keeps plugging in shows at 10 that are awesome I'll keep watching that though. Sorry chin.
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Wow, the premiere episode was a steaming pile of shit...Leno didn't change a thing, the show is tired, boring and unfunny. NOTHING CHANGED from the Tonight Show, other than Jay sitting uncomfortably in a chair instead of behind a desk. This felt like a weak parody of his former show. NBC, this was a bad move.
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And I'm a Conan fan saying that.
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Agreed.
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I don't plan to watch anymore shows.
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.....this is gay. Am I supposed to be enticed to laugh at some point. Maybe my TV is broken
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LOL!!!!!!! chromedome. Good post.
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"I'm still haunted over the pain of my mother's death." What a piece of work, eh?
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is a dickhead of the highest order. That is all.
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Jay please retire. Your show is a tired, unimaginative, reboot on the suckitude order of Superman Returns. That is really all.
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Sep 15, 2009 12:46:05 AM CDT
Kanye's mom died so he should be excused for being an ass...
by bigtuna
Seriously, I bet his "People" asked Leno to ask him about what his mom would think.
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About George Tekei" "I Barely Know The Man". LOL You've seen him regularly for 43 years!
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Seriously, anyone get that vibe when he interrupted Swift?
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he maybe finally understands what he did. he seemed sincere and truly sorry when jay asked him about his mom.
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he's got to own up to being a jackass.
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they don't go on national television and make fools of themselves.
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Shit - he's one load his MOM should of swallowed.
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Who goes to get plastic surgery from a guy who's not a Doctor?
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not even kanye would say half the shit you guys say on her. seriously rectal blowout thats fucking low. and its funny how its made out like he beat the living shit out of the girl. i think we lost sight of the fact that mtv is fucking terrible. yes it was unacceptable what he did, but this is just what mtv wanted they fucking love it. and you guys do to. you wanna see the fucking downfall of another man in a genre of music that 80 percent of the people on this talkback dont like. you feed off this shit. i bet you guys will fucking high five each other when jay z dies.
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Kanye West is acting like what he did on stage was profound - he just happened to hurt someone's feelings, but at least he's fighting the good fight and sticking it to awards shows when they get it wrong. Ego.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:12:12 AM CDT
Remind me to use the death of a loved one as my next excuse...
by cheyne_stoking_dms
For your information...I listen to real hip-hop. R.I.P Ol' Dirty B.
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no, my friend, I couldn't forget that if I fucking tried.
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So he shouldn't be blamed for the whole Double-homicide thingy.
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and then he laid that "what would your mom think?" question on him. That was kind of brilliant. Still, didn't like the show very much. Jay's humor is a little too tame and corny for me.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:19:50 AM CDT
A person wants to be left alone when a loved one dies.
by cheyne_stoking_dms
The last place they'd want to be at is the fucking Video Music Awards. I piss on his bullshit.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:23:32 AM CDT
i think hes seriously depressed since his mom died
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
and increasingly uncontrollable. this dude even showed up drink a big ass bottle of alcohol yesterday...look at all the pictures out front...his girlfriend is all front and center loving the spotlight in the pictures and hes just in the backround looking like shit and drinking. wtf?!??!
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wu tang is fuckin sick but he didnt use that as an excuse...he was asked a fuckin question. jay leno asked him he didnt fuckin say it out of nowhere. and kanyes first 3 albums are sick.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:30:43 AM CDT
"and then he laid that "what would your mom think?" question on
by bigtuna
That was all approved by Kanye's people in the pre-interview.This was far from a hard-hitting interview.
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I just thought of all the questions to ask, that was the right one, because he uses his mom's death as an excuse, and that question turns the excuse against him. And for something pre-approved, Kanye sure didn't seem to have much of an answer, he just reverted back to what he'd already said.
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I'm tired of all these celebrities getting free passes with all their cry baby bullshit. Yes, his mother died. A true blue reason to be heartbroken, frustrated, etc. Do I believe he is all of that? Of course. Who wouldn't be? Do I think he's using that as a cover? Yes, I do. If he's really having such a difficulty with her passing, he would've stayed at home and grieved alone. Trust me, my family knocks off like the fucking Kennedys. When someone dies, you want to be left alone. Not around music, neon lights and celebrities.
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Wu-Tang aint nuthin ta fuck wit.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:44:26 AM CDT
his music is whats payin the bills though
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
cant deny that
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Hmmm nah. I think he can afford to put the music on pause. I doubt he's tight on cash. Considering he's Kanye West: Superstar and everything.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:49:34 AM CDT
and when i family memeber dies are you supposed to...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
lock yourself up for 6 years. you gotta try to get over it. she died in 7. im sure he had some time to himself, and then tried to get back out the, but its not fucking working. i think hes really hurtin. ive fuckin had family members die. ive had my parents abandon me. i cant just stop living my life. you gotta just carry along and try your best. but in the buisness hes in, maybe that break will be good for his massive ego, and figure out why he does stuff like this. and its probably because he likes fishsticks. just kidding. he really needs to fuckin take that break and try to fix his problems...its sad that hes trippin without his mom around (hes gotten worse) but the fact that he would embarass someone else like that WHO IS A FAN OF HIS is disgusting.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:51:13 AM CDT
I just looked it up. $50 Million is his net worth...
by cheyne_stoking_dms
those bills could pay themselves.
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We all lose loved ones. Kanye was an ass before she died. Every apology Kanye has given is a not so subtle cry for sympathy. Using Ben Stiller's character from Meet the Parents? A character that audiences felt bad for? That's cheating.
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but yes im sure 50 million is enough for groceries. but its kinda hard to stop living the lifestyle your accustomed too. dont get me wrong he acted like a freakin douche. i just think this guy deserves...a fair chance to redeem himself. and hes the laughing stock of conan right now by the way.
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I don't care how good a singer he is. He's a fucking entertainer and needs to shut the fuck up and do what everyone pays him to do.
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and it has a video awards show?
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His last album was that singing autotune bullshit but he's back to rapping now. But I agree with you mattman. He needs to stop with the ego trips and bullshit. I really think he feels bad for what he did though. But whatever I'm off to bed good talk about gayfish. later
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Douchebags. Who's the next BIG? Who the fuck cares?
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As always.
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talking about some villain he fought in issue 109?
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How was it? Was it as awesome as we all thought it would be? I'm so torn up over missing it and forgetting to set my DVR to record it on purpose. I'll bet that sweet, down to Earth Kanye guy was a delight and not at all a douchebag gay fish.
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He just says a random word and the audience laughs and he stands there smiling for a good 2 minutes until it dies down. What the heck is this shit?
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Just to be clear here.
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It's basically the same shit Leno did on the tonight show;same band,same comedic bits and even the same kinda monologue.Only difference is a earlier time slot.now for the guests, Seinfeld was boring and even The big "O"'s cameo didn't help much.Kayne is a fucking moron the asshole couldn't even complete one goddamn sentence.What's this "errr..ummmm...i....wanna help people...emmm..uhhh...."English Muthafucker, English!(Sam Jackson voice)Rihanna in that get up looked like she's auditioning for the next GIJoe Movie.Good singer,Hot body as I have those downloaded nude pics of her and Chris Brown has gotta be some special kind of f@g to free up that nice piece of ass.Jay-Z killed as always, fuck I'm gonna put BP3 on my itunes.Better debut than anything Conan has done on the Tonight Show.
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haha i dont get it either. letterman isnt funny at all, not sure if hes even a comedian
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...from the Car Wash skit: "You're really gonna like me when I turn on the suck!"
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NOT nor was he ever funny. People who think this, safe, ass-kissing, dumb comedy is funny can swallow a turd and die.
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So Leno is going through Letterman repertoire.
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to get Letterman
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He was funny 25 years ago, but now he's a bitter old man. Retire, Dave. Give Craig Ferguson your spot and more money for a bigger and better show.
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http://tinyurl.com/q4t4sk. I F-U not. As the late Bernie Mac used to say, 'C'mon, America!'.
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They chcikened when they thought they may lose Conan three years ago, then they chickened when they thought Leno would go to another network (which I'm sure he put out there) so they pulled this absolute bullshit move.
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I've been tacitly defending Leno here on this TB, but those ratings from last night are absolutely anomalous. But I am interested to see what they look like in a week...
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and will continue to be. That guy isn't funny at all. I used to enjoy him, but that was because I only watched his show once in awhile. I tried watching it recently and it was shite. Jay Leno's the better talk show host.
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Awww come on!! You all know it. If Joaquin was on any other talk show (especially Conan) he'd get his ass kissed the entire time. Letterman knows how to make interviews hilarious.
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How low can those ratings go?
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by asking him what his mother would have thought of his little stunt on MTV. But it was nice to see Kanye rapping again, without that shitty robot autotune.
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Those were the curiosity seekers. Even TB'ers on this site watched to see how bad it would be. Watch those numbers dwindle (pleeaasssee).
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for getting the DVD column late again?1) My Swayze death induced tears and snot clogged up the keyboard2) Yoko's moved back to her mothers, and I can't write out of sexual frustration3) My dog ate it
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Felt kind of bad for her.
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Does anyone still stay up to watch late night talk shows? I'm surprised this tired format which really hasn't changed much since Jack Paar hasn't died out by now.
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is how he basically looks like a live-action cartoon character. He is one seriously weird looking dude.
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he deserves all the "Leno hate" that's being spewed here. Leno is by the numbers and average, but Conan is just fucking atrocious. And I was ecstatic when this meant higher ratings for Letterman, the cynical old coot. I skip his monologues and just switch it on when he's interviewing somebody interesting. That's when he gets funnier.
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is that he looks like a giant leprechaun. A crazy oxymoron.
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Tried to watch the show last night. Only made it as far as the un-frigging-funny car wash skit. Lame as hell.
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I know old people love Leno, but if this is the kind of recycled, vapid shit they're into, then fuck old people. Their shitty tastes have ruined broadcast television for me and generations of TV viewers to come.
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It's true. And fuck baby boomers too. Although, they now qualify as 'old people' by TV demographic standards.
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I can't quite wrap my head around it. Zap2it says that Leno had a 17.7 million viewers, but he had a "11.0/18" Yeahbutwha?
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Some reporter tweeted an off-the-record comment Obama made during an interview when the cameras weren't rolling, and they immediately took it down. check out zap2it if you don't believe me. real quote, too, because the network just apologized for posting the comment, not that it was inaccurate.
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Look guys, he was around on the tonight show as permanent guest host before he spent 17 years in the main chair. he had talent and was funny. But he was always in Johnny's shadow. In the end his show was like comfort food, only bland. What I like about Conan's show is that he's moved away from that a bit.
That being said, in 1997 I saw a taping of the Tonight Show with Jay Leno...and I gotta tell you, he ... and the experience ... were fabulous. Far better than expected, first of all. Second, a real group cohesion. Third of all, he was hysterical. It was a great show. Somehow, his charm and charisma never translated well to the TV medium. I'm not sure why.
I was hoping Leno might choose to not play it safe in the show. That he did play it safe is a disappointment. But given the show he has and the commitment from NBC, he has the ability to play it sharper. He should.
Also, one last thought. This is a far from historical show, except that it's prime time 5 days a week. But it's not the only variety show to ever be on more than 1 night a week. He should relish in his Ed Sullivanistic potential.
One final thought. My understanding was that NBC sold off Burbank, which is (only) one of the (many) reasons why Conan moved to Universal City. To me it seems a little stagnant that he's still haunting his old dive. -
the segment where Jay tried to do a doctor phil with Kanye was painful. I watched the subsequent musical number hoping Taylor Swift would crash it. But I guess no one was thinking.
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he's a jackass. Don't bring his presidency into this one. Just a guy calling on what he's seen.
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He comes from The Simpsons and Harvard Lampoon, and his stuff is a really bizarre, ironic distance to it. Like his whole bit about "Twitter Tracker" is pointing out how inane and retarded Twitter is. Then, you turn on Jimmy Falon an hour later, and he's talking about how cool and hip Twitter is. Conan is really taking the piss out of it, and sometimes that can be seen as either mean or stupid. Another bit: Conando. It's an entire skit in gibberish where Conan once in awhile yells out "CONANDO!!" and it's NOT supposed to make any sort of sense. Which is why it's funny. Leno, by contrast, is warm, family friendly, and simply not edgy at all. Which is why he can come off as dry and dull. Conan is insane, but that's good compared to Leno's generic blandness.
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an unfunny sock puppet.
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...that gibberish is Spanish. It's poorly enunciated Spanish, but it's still an actual language.
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Sep 15, 2009 1:58:08 PM CDT
17.7 million for Leno? Dammit, I hate it when I'm right sometim
by spyguy
Even worse, you know that at least half of the lobotomized chimpanzees that watched his show actually believe Kanye West is serious about his apology.
The snooty Maitre d' from FERRIS BUELLER called it: I weep for the future.
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Of course, with most of the big cable TV shows going on break, there's nothing on.
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Was that in question? This piece of shit show is going to get killed once the season begins. No doubt about it.
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I think he knows he finally went too far this time and irrevocably fucked his image... and THAT'S what he feels bad about. I don't think he gives a shit about Taylor Swift.
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but then so is just about ANYTHING...
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Used to love Dave (always hated-despised Paul Schafer) but Dave is just outdated.
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His first week was GOLD. But, by the second week, well, I don't know. Even Andy looks bored.
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... makes me long for the Death Panels.
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The real crime in Kanye's antics is that, overnight, he elavated a bubble-headed idiot like Taylor Swift to the status of America's Sweetheart. For that alone his career should be over.
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Everyone is practically in love with "Ms. Apple Pie" thanks to West's stupidity. I guess had his mama lived, he would not have gone there..................nahhhhhhhh.
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If 11 million Americans take a shit, that doesn’t make it chardonnay. It just means that it’s the end of summer the new shows haven’t started yet and they could either 1) take a shit, 2) call a friend and talk about shit, or 3) watch shit. They chose the latter. Jay does not, cannot, will NOT have a chance in hell at ratings when the new fall season begins. Of course NBC has really been known to keep fungus growing on their network years after its time. The Facts of Life lasted nine seasons; Diff’rent Strokes had Gary Coleman saying the same “Whatcha talkin bout willis” line for eight horrible years. So yeah Leno could be on the air for years until someone mercilessly pulls the plug on the geezer.
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Sep 15, 2009 3:28:10 PM CDT
Wow, why is it when Jay Leno comes up people get so snotty here?
by drewlicious
I've heard some legitimate reasons for not liking Jay Leno but it's amazing the undeserved sense of supeiority people have here. What is it that makes Jay Leno's audience stupid exactly? So they laugh at his jokes even though they're not sophisticated, so what? My brother laughs his ass off at "Two and a Half Men" but he's successful in his own business and can absolutely trounce most people in a political debate. It just gets so easy to crap on other people because they might enjoy something you deplore. As for Taylor Swift, what has she done that makes her idiotic exactly? I know next to nothing about her other than that she's wildly successful at a very young age and I have yet to see her vagina while she climbs out of her car. In fact I haven't seen her on the covers of any tabloids at the grocery checkout period.
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Fuck her! Acting all cute and innocent, getting snubbed like that, and handling it with class! That little bitch! Next up is the Beyonce backlash! Fuck Beyonce for doing the right thing! Bitch should've just accepted her award and shut the fuck up!
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Goddamn puppies. Looking all adorable. Fucking attention whores.
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Oh he's so cute trying to fit in with the other trolls. Fuck him!
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I dvd's it and skimmed through it. My rating: one Klingon smiley. >:-|
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Thank you for shutting the fuck up.
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Beats me, it's just that universal adrenaline from drawing lines. I like Leno and Conan both. Conan was far better on Late Night, his whole point of comedy is his off the wall zanyness, which when neutered like on Tonight Show, he loses the whole point of his shtick. Both have their downsides but i can still appreciate them. Ferguson is a bit on coke but he's alright and is pretty funny just riffing off the wall. Now Kimmel, Fallon, Letterman are unwatchable and their personalities are unlikable and that's no surprise why their ratings stink. When all the jokes are written, so much of it is also about the host's own naturalism and personality and Leno has that humbled gravitas to him which attracts so many viewers. Johnny Carson also had it, it's not just about the writing but that bit of class needed for late night shows.
As for Jay Leno Show, it was alright, i personally dont really watch interviews/music unless it's some iconic actor or director from the past. Leno has the opportunity to bring a bit more edge now since he has to work harder now without the safe Tonight Show spot, and if things will be like that ad promo then things will look good. The ratings were fantastic too. -
"Jay does not, cannot, will NOT have a chance in hell at ratings when the new fall season begins."
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Do you not understand television and how ratings work? Of course he'll have higher ratings than Conan--AND even Dave--as viewers settle into their viewing habits. He's primtime, they're late night. Most primetime has better ratings than late night. For example, Dave gets great ratings for late night, but if he was in primetime and averaged 3 1/2 million viewers a night (his late night numbers), he would probably be canceled. The question is not will Jay beat Conan or Dave--that's already a given--the question is can Jay beat other primetime shows in the same time slot on other networks. Hate to talk down to you, but that was a very idiotic statement you just made. I think Jay will do great for the first couple weeks, as did Conan before tapering off and losing out to Dave. But this is definitely the time for other networks to roll out quality scripted drama--Jay can't hold that bland appeal for too long if he's got some good programming to go against.
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Sep 15, 2009 7:10:12 PM CDT
THE BACKLASH FOR BACKLASH HAS BEGUN!
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
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...because he was big in the flyover states and with the 45-to-death demographic. Grandmas in red states just love him. He's simple, he's harmless, he's hardy-har-har "funny," which means he's also unchallenging and bland. And he just won't go away. It's the problem of the chronically unloved - they keep trying to prove themselves with those who despise them. Leno just should have faded out gracefully - instead, he keeps trying, and trying, and TRYING for validation from someone - ANYONE. Jeezy creezy, retire already, dude.
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Oh shit.
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....with Tom Cruise and Cameron DiaZ. That was so laboured and boring. Leno was all business and not having fun at all telling them to hurry up and get on to the next question, and the questions were childish and stupid. It'd be hilarious if Leno's new show got cancelled.
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Sep 15, 2009 9:36:24 PM CDT
TRANSFORMERS 2 IS THE HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIE
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
in the u.s. this year. so its obviously the best.
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Jay Leno is a workaholic. He'll be working until he is no longer physically able to, I guarantee it.
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I shit you not. This show is embarassingly bad. I feel ashamed for Leno and everyone who writes for this steaming pile.
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Did Leno expect an answer? I agree, the questions were very immature and stupid.
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Sep 15, 2009 11:07:18 PM CDT
Hopefully Moore's heart will go out in a few years...
by cheyne_stoking_dms
Then I can make my documentary on what a lard prick he was.
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Cruise and Diaz couldn't be arsed to show up in person? I missed the explanation. Also, that scripted jab at Conan was just petty.
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I don't get the show for another hour. What did he say about Conan?
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Sep 16, 2009 2:12:12 AM CDT
Wow jay wow. Their using when he asked kanye about his mom...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
And what she wouldve thought about what he did in the promos. Wow fuckin NBC. I guess it was all a part of the plan. I don't give a fuck, that's lol. Fuck jay leno
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Leno's Tonight Show viewership went with him one hour and a half earlier. His competition will still be limp dick in comparison.
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Doesn't change the fact that you so unexplicably boasted that Leno's ratings will be higher than Conan's. You still don't seem to understand: most primetime programming IS higher than late night programming, no matter how shitty primetime is. On The Tonight Show, Leno usually got 5 million viewers per night. That core alone won't be able to help him stay alive, so he has to keep and retain a large chunk of his first night viewers from the Jay Leno Show in order to compete with something like CSI: Miami, which gets about 14 million viewers--and that's a veteran primetime show and those 14 million basically constitute a steady viewer following. Leno got more than that in his debut, but those numbers will either drop steadily until finding a stable viewer following, or, more than likely, fluctuate depending on what's on other channels. There may be some nights where even his core audience will tune into something else, such as CSI: Miami or New York. My guess is The Jay Leno Show will range night to night from a hit, to so-so hit, to a flailing failure for NBC. Those are odds even an expert gambler would not want any part in. We just gotta watch the numbers. It's too early to make a concrete statement saying the competition will be limp dick in comparison, especially with fall programming not even begun on other networks. But, looking at the crappy fall schedule for other networks, with shit like The Good Wife, The Forgotten, and Eastwick, Leno might be safe for now. What NBC should be worried about is the fact that all it will take is an infusion of marginally good drama on other networks to completely kill the Leno Show. Remember, people watch talk shows for comfort, but they watch scripted drama for fun. Usually fun trumps comfort.
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personally, I think his ratings will be better than people expect but Leno DOESNT Need the ratings that CSI:Miami does to be a "hit" , thats part of the appeal for NBC. Because the shows cost is so much less and NBC owns it, the profit margin is much greater, they also have lower expectations as to what its ratings will be. Leno himself has said he doesn't expect to beat CSI head to head, but when reruns are on watch out.
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http://tinyurl.com/rconru
I want to wait for more solid numbers to come out later, but this report says there was a 34% drop from the debut to the second episode.
And j2talk, I know that's what NBC says, that Jay doesn't need regular primetime ratings, but if I'm an NBC exec, and I had to choose between a talk show that may being seeing dismal ratings soon in primetime, or something that, while more costly, sells more product, then I'd definitely be ambivalent about sticking with the former.
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he's going anywhere
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oops- he's NOT going anywhere
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and frankly, with the exception of Chuck...about the only thing I find worth watching on NBC
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... in the future, a smart move could be to cut him back to less than 5 nights a week, let some money makers fill those freed up slots, and pump more production value into what would be a weekly or two nights/week edition of Jay. And they could get him some better writers to actually write something worthy of primetime. Maybe give his show a combination of 30 Rock/Office wit, combined with what is an admittedly comfortable style Jay has with guests. It could be great for Jay and NBC. He did do one really good ad for his show (the one where he thought he hit someone with his car). I'd like to see more stuff like that. I'd actually watch then.
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I would never watch that unfunny shit Leno, but I do want to know if stuttering John is still his announcer
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thats the problem with the show...Jay needs to be doing this just like the Tonite show...without trying to cram too many guest each night... guideline for the show: monolog, sketch, guest ,then comedian or musical act, comedy ala headlines then cut to to local news
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he wasnt funny at all.
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And even though Jay's contract is for two years, they can cancel the show at any time.
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suck my balls bitches.
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And that's the problem. He lost almost half his viewers from one night to the next and saw more viewer drop off in the second half hour of last night's show. Hell, he just made slightly double his Tonight Show audience, and that ain't a good sign in primetime. Keep citing the cost efficiency of putting on a cheap episode of the Leno Show, but as we climb out of the recession, saving money will become less important than MAKING money.
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Why would anyone bother listening to anything you have to say? You're the guy who actually posed the question of whether or not anyone actually "liked" the character of Indiana Jones, thereby sacrificing any and all chance of your input being taken seriously by anybody ever again. Good day.
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put simply the cost of Jays show is so much less than the cost of scripted shows, pilot development, licensing fees and talent that it make sense. Much as the rise in news programing and reality shows did-however look around see NBC still airing Dateline multiple times a week? or the NETS schedules filled with Survivor knock offs?
This will be a success and IS success if only for the hype arounding it, and IF down the road they scale back to fewer nights they have held on to Jay and showed that they had faith in him -something they needed after the bungle they made with Conan... -
Nothing to hate, nothing to love. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, plays it pretty safe on TV, very middle of the road and no edge. Nothing really wrong with that, or him.It probably is a safe, cheap move for NBC to put a safe, cheap program on for 5 nights a week in primetime--no risk taking on some dramas that are not crime related, or some comedy that is not re-written BBC material.Jay is not at fault here--he has been consistently reinforced/rewarded for doing what he is doing, so he does it more and more, becomes entrenched in it, defined by it.The real fault here lies with NBC execs for being gutless and risk averse, and for the viewers in general for welcoming more plain lifeless programming into their homes.I remember when Twin Peaks hit the airwaves: it was a game changer for television, and people could not stop talking about it the next day, could not wait for the next episode. When was the last time any major network did something like that?NBC almost did that with Heroes, but destroyed it in the second season. ABC almost did it with Pushing Daisies, but dropped the ball. The first season of 24 was close, but lost its way later on. Firefly was replaced by Who Wants To Marry a Millionaire. Profitt on Fox didn't get a chance. Battlestar Galactica's greatness was twisted and its audience screwed over by the execs.But they will churn out remakes of Bionic Woman and Knight Rider. And cancel the daring, unique, non-generic things.Support the good stuff, buy the dvds, and tune out the crap.Vote With Your Remote!
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We'll see what NBC does when Jay is pulling in 4 million viewers a night, keeping ad revenue stagnant rather than letting it grow.
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you're a douchebag. You get some slack if say, you liked him when you bought his first album but hadn't seen him on tv, heard him speak, or read any of his quotes. But if once you've witnessed this man communicate with another human being, and didn't immediately stop liking him, you're a douchebag. Sorry, but you are.
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Sep 17, 2009 12:49:17 AM CDT
and ironically, the lack of a desk makes it *less* comfortable
by smackfu
and informal. Because people sitting out in a chair on the middle of a stage don't feel comfortable and informal. They feel like people sitting in a chair on the middle of a stage. The desk gives them something to work with, to talk over, to lean on, to make things feel more natural. So...way to think that one through, Jay.
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It's hard to put into words. But when it comes to taste in tv, talk shows, and movies, there are two kinds of people. One of these kinds of people actually laugh at the comic strips in newspapers. Like...sincerely laugh...OUT LOUD...when reading shit like Marmaduke and Family Circus. And when they see a commercial for a new Owen Wilson comedy, they go 'omg I can't wait to see that!!!'. And they watch a Jay Leno monologue full of jokes so obvious and lame, you can literally pause and fill in the exact punchline Jay is about to say with 90% accuracy, and think it's cutting edge comedy. And then you have the other group of people, who stare in terrified awe at the first group, unable to find words to describe how utterly disturbing it is that they actually find Family Circus funny enough to burst out laughing. Really...you just have to be part of that second group to get it. Because to us, that first group might as well be fucking aliens, that's how fundamentally unrelatable they are to me as human beings.
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Sep 17, 2009 1:20:25 AM CDT
Um I laugh more at Leno than I do at fucking Robot Chicken
by lockesbrokenleg
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the old sacrificing/seriously bit. ogod day to you too shitnugget.
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although it wouldn't make a difference for the guests. it was enough to see michael moore's massive bulging taint eeuuuurrrrgh.
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by putting all tvs on jay leno show and telling friends to do so too!
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TakingScorpiosCalls, your TV, no matter how many TVs you have, is not an automatic tracking device. You could have 100 TVs plugged in, all of them on Leno, and, unless you are a participant in a ratings recording study (either via box or journal)--YOU'LL BE WASTING YOUR TIME. Even if you have 100 TVs, you likely won't be given 100 recording boxes by a company like Nielson. You'll likely be given just 1. Good god man, it's no wonder Leno's been on the air all these years--he's had smarties like you watching him. Here's how ratings work: http://tinyurl.com/nzgako
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after all this is the same "audience" that made: the Cosby Show, Friends, The Office, Heroes and Lost hits....er, on second thought He might have a point.....
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Sep 17, 2009 3:36:41 PM CDT
And it's the same audience that avoids shit like Reaper.
by lockesbrokenleg
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Sep 17, 2009 4:18:47 PM CDT
American Mythos did you forget to tell that to chromedome?
by takingscorpioscalls
i was responding to his shitnuggetry comment. But i see you're another flaming jay hater. Go watch your crackhead conan and stalerman.
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Sep 18, 2009 3:26:39 PM CDT
I love people who say Letterman did Headlines first
by takingscorpioscalls
you know why he doesn't do it now? because he fucking sucked WALRUS ASS at it. Leno does it better. Also besides that being a stupid statement, it's also wrong considering Leno did soemthing similar when he was a standup back in the day making the rounds.
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you had Halle Berry, Eric Clapton, Bruce Hornsby, a funny stand up comedian, a great closing segment and I loved the parody of the Phillies fan
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Yep, it sure was the best.
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mel gibson was a riot.
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what will it ever do?
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Sep 19, 2009 2:15:30 AM CDT
mentalist? haha crappy soon-to-be-cancelled nothing show
by takingscorpioscalls
quaking in my boots.
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let me guess, your next witty and clever retort proving your superiority!
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And you're right, Mentalist is a shitty show (something we can agree on), but an old repeat of it beat Leno. The fall season on other networks hasn't even begun, and Leno is already losing to repeats of a shit show. That says more about Jay Leno Show than it does about Mentalist. I think Howard Stern was on to something when he predicted the Jay Leno Show would be crippled after week two. Don't worry though, the whole TalkBack community is here for you to lean on when your unhealthy obsession with Jay is met by the stark reality that NBC is starting to get worried. G'day.
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I don't like it, but it's not going anywhere. Do you know ANYTHING about ratings.
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more than 5 years?
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Sep 19, 2009 3:28:52 PM CDT
the only thing not going anywhere is jay leno show!
by takingscorpioscalls
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I like this show more than Jay Leno's Tonight Show, perhaps that when they say a large emphasis will be put on comedy, they somewhat pull through.
Every episode so far has had a comedian of some sort, doing a routine. Which can be hit or miss (i acutally didn't like Jim Norton's thing even though i've read people on boards like it), but at least its an attempt to try to get comedy on the show.
They don't always have musical acts. Out of the 5 episodes thus far, only 2 have had musical acts. Musical acts are such a polarizing acquired taste that making them not mandatory is a nice change. And one of those 2 was a good one with Clapton. The only thing i'd change is if it is a musical act on the episode then just put it at the end so that if you don't like it you can do other things. Of the interview guests it's best when they have surprise surprise, actors and filmmakers. Not political related (moore) or retarded related (kanye). robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Halle Berry
10 at 10, so far, has been pretty shitty i AGREE. The Tom Cruise/Diaz interview was atrocious, so was the Miley Orangutan Eyes, however Mad Max saved it on friday's show, a real goofball. But I'm pleased so far.
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