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I am – Hercules!!
I always thought Elisabeth Moss really hot, but when Carla Gallo sat down next to her last week I was all “Elisabeth who??”
I was thinking at the beginning of “The Arrangements” that Alzheimer’s-riddled Eugene Hofstadt Number Two was going to make the lives of Don and Betty miserable well into the 1990s. A lot I know!
Titles and plotlines for tonight’s episode and those beyond:
3.5 "The Fog"
Concern over Sally's behavior causes Don and Betty to act; opportunistic Pete tries to work a new angle into his business dealings; and an odd dream has a strange effect on Betty.
3.6 "Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency"
Sterling Cooper receives a surprise visit; Sally is spooked; and Joan gets some unexpected news.
3.7 "Seven Twenty Three"
Betty tries her hand at politics; Don thinks about the future; and Peggy receives a luxurious gift.
3.8 "Summer Vacation"
Don and Betty go on a business trip. Pete helps a neighbor.
3.9 "Wee Small Hours"
Don and Sal have trouble giving the clients what they want. Betty hosts a fundraiser.
3.10 "The Color Blue"
The firm celebrates a milestone. Peggy and Paul compete on an account.
3.11 "The Gypsy and the Hobo"
A former client returns; Betty goes on a trip with the kids; and Joan and Greg plan for their future.
3.12 "The Greatest Generation"
3.13 "The Silo"
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
Emmy night: Sept. 20.
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Concern over Sally's behavior causes Don and Betty to act; opportunistic Pete tries to work a new angle into his business dealings; and an odd dream has a strange effect on Betty.
Sterling Cooper receives a surprise visit; Sally is spooked; and Joan gets some unexpected news.
Betty tries her hand at politics; Don thinks about the future; and Peggy receives a luxurious gift.
Don and Betty go on a business trip. Pete helps a neighbor.
Don and Sal have trouble giving the clients what they want. Betty hosts a fundraiser.
The firm celebrates a milestone. Peggy and Paul compete on an account.
A former client returns; Betty goes on a trip with the kids; and Joan and Greg plan for their future.
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I sure hope Sally's school has air conditioning. Summer school's bad enough, but summer school in a hot classroom? Poor kid.
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please god, let it be jimmy barrett. i'll settle for rachel menken, though.
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Because I love this fucking show. I, too, was quite surprised. I think the biggest and strangest turn around this show has made to mess with a viewers expectations was that towards the end of S2 and the start of this one a little Grandpa Gene was so very confused and lost in life, he even groped Betty fo gods sake. That was really shocking. But then he moves in, and suddenly, hes sharp as a tick for the most part. I was really confused by that. But then maybe it was just that he was dying, and then before the end he became a little clearer again before moving on from this life. I don't know, it just seemed a like a fairly sudden turnaround, and then to not have him make their lives hell, as we expected, and to just let him die, without ever really having the big confrontation with Don about his past and having "no people", it really messes with expectations and makes the show much, much more realistic. Things don't always get resolved, many things are left unsaid an undone in given life. Beautiful show.
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She was a fucking firecracker that first season, the chemistry between her and Don was off the charts. I've been wanting her to return for so long. Now they are both married, if I remember correctly, and will still want to bang each others brains out. Should be excellent.
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The choice few who do actually come on here know how good it is, but really, its been like two hours, no discussion of anything? True Blood, that terrible excuse for a show, has all the loser fanboys jerking to it. Why can't this show be more popular? I want a great Mad Men talkback.
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is so BORING! It's alreay 1/3 of the way over and where's the excitement? They better start ramping up soon.
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Does anyone really take HBO seriously anymore? I'm not a fan of Mad Men, but anyone with half a brain should realize that MM is head and shoulders better than what HBO is throwing out these days.
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If anything, they've just stepped up the subtlety and nuance another degree. last weeks episode left me reeling, it was so fantastic. I'll admit, the first two episodes were slightly underwhelming compared to the first two seasons, but then I think I had the same reaction to the start of season one, before I completely fell in love with the show, but I think we are headed in the right direction.
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before I start bloviating. In fact, I start spouting opinions within an hour after the episode is over, PDT. Then I check slate.com to see how my read compares with theirs.
As for any prognostications, the writers on this show have a good track record of surprising me. Like Hercules, I thought the Grandpa storyline would go on for a while, and speak to the common experience (one I experienced, as a matter of fact) where the grandparent lives with middle class suburban family. But I think Grandpa's main role was to inspire Sally with a sense of self-worth, and a sense of moral outrage at her parent's behavior. As the series progresses, I anticipate this to be a gift that keeps on giving.
And, of course, much of the series seems to be about Don's tourism through different cultural strains of the 1960s (beatniks, jet setters, high society, etc.). Mark my words, there will be a "Don walks with the hippies" episode, probably along the lines of the wine festival sequence in the Rock Hudson movie SECONDS. -
What the fuck? This isn't KNIGHT RIDER.
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he doesnt think that we need a pop shot every 6 minutes to hold our interest...if you do, this aint the show for you
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I'm betting that one of them is the "surprise visit" mentioned in the synopses above.
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It's much more likely to be the new spawn of Draper.
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the look on her face last week when sal was showing her the dance number for the commercial. perfection, love this show and love where its going. of course the pace is a little plodding..but so is life. somtimes things take a little time. as far as HBO...when they decided to cancel thier plans for a Preacher series i lost all hope of ever whatching one of thier shows. damn i miss Deadwood....
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I love how some people pretend their so fucking brilliant- that television should only be black or white- either outstandingly brilliant or all guilty pleasure- no middle ground. I watch Mad Men AND True Blood- and I love the fuck out of both of them. They're completely different experiences- to try to compare them makes you sound like a fucking bubblehead. As for HBO being done- an absurd Joke- they have the spiritual successor to Seinfeld coming back for season 7- along with the cast of Seinfeld- next week- along with Epitafios. Obviously you don't know what Epitafios is. Boardwalk Empire (greenlighted for season), Hung (if you don't watch it I'm sure it's so easy to make fun of its premise- meanwhile it's one of the best casted and written shows on now), Curb, Epitafios, Treme, The Pacific, Big Love, True Blood, East Bound and Down... Yeah. Stick a fork in HBO- it's done. LOL. Fucking haters.
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Breaking Bad and Mad Men are two of my favorites. Showtime sucks. Showtime dumped Brotherhood and reordered Dexter for what will be another season with the same plotline as the first three- someone gets close to Dexter, learns his secret- someone has to die. Riveting!
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EBandD is awsomly funny and Hung is really good to. never really got into Curb but ive heard good things..lol..im just bitter about Preacher...
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So, it's a boy then. That's what I expected- Betty doesn't like boys. I think she has some repressed trauma that causes her mistrust. My 2 cents
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Betty doesn't like kids. Or anyone, really. Betty's kind of a bitch.
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Betty found out she was pregnant in October of '62. She got pregnant in the episode before Don and Pete went to California, set at least 3 weeks before the Cuban Missile Crisis. This is late June of '63 (about two weeks after Grandpa Gene died on 6/11/63). Its time.
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About Granpa Genes turnaround. If I remember correctly he had a series of small strokes which can alter your personality temporarily. Again, if I'm remembering correctly, The Draper clan saw him just after his most recent attack. So the effects of the strokes on Gene were much more evident. Given some time and the introduction of early meds for strokes, he might have bounced back somewhat until the big one felled poor Granpa Gene. I'm not sure how much time had passed between the Drapers visit and when Gene moved in so I could be wrong.
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Paging Nurse Simpson! Nurse Lisa Simpson!
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his daughter's teacher.
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He died 6/12/63...he'd be in the news of course. Betty and Pete were last people who'd ordinarily expect to get involved with the civil rights movement, but these are not ordinary times.
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pitch perfect episode. this show is so subtley acted its amazing. i really loved the convo between Don and the prison guard father. interesting look he gave Don on the way out...
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They stuck out like a sore thumb. I was actually rooting for Betty to kick the bucket. I wonder how being a single dad would alter Don's lifestyle (probably not at all--he would just hire a live-in housekeeper that would possibly be a vast improvement over Betty). And what the hell does Paul do anyway? Other than spout socialist babble... So far, the character of Lane Pryce has been criminally underused--Jared Harris (who plays him) is absolutely fantastic and they need to give him more to do. I was disappointed to see Don drinking Red Label...blecch!
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Knowing Weiner came from The Sopranos, a dream sequence in that vein was almost inevitable. Overall I think they worked a lot better than in The Sopranos, where they always seem like a joke and incredibly heavy handed and stupid. I thought these were much more effective. However, one interesting note was the use of the caterpillar, which was also used in an episode of The Sopranos, and was just as heavy handed and yet signifying very little in both. Ooooh, hinting at change in a show where no one ever changes. Fancy.
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A caterpillar? I didn't think of that. For some reason, I saw it as bait on a fishing line.
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First of all, I thought Duck was taken off stage for good. Granted, his inclusion in this episode was more of a plot device, but I was sure we wouldn't see him again for a good long time.
Secondly, Don is going to so bang his daughter's teacher. I was so confident that the maypole dance was about innocence and beauty and Ann-Margaret and feeling the grass; but now it's cheapened into "Don wants to bang the teacher." And the way she's throwing herself at him. Damn, I need to start using his aftershave. -
When Don had last left him, the guard was beaming over the fact that he'd had a boy. Meanwhile, Betty goes through an exceedingly painful delivery, administered by nurses, and we never actually see her give birth. Later, she wakes up with the boy in her hands (after she'd been so sure it was a girl). When Don arrives at the hospital to pick up Betty, he passes the prison guard in the hallway, and guard gives him the stinkeye. Since we didn't see the prison guard's baby, this leads me to believe that the baby ultimately died. Or the hospital, in order to avoid malpractice from a white collar family, switched the babies.
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I think you might be over thinking the prison guard just a bit. An alternative to what you said could just be the guard sobered up and was embarressed by what he said and how he acted with Don. The other issue that could be present is a sense of caste or class differnce.This season I've noticed that the concept of a caste or class system has been floating through the show as an undercurrent. The exchange with Pete and the Hollis in the elevator really hit that idea home. Granted race was an issue but so was class. Hollis was afraid to say anything because all he does is stand in the elevator and Nobody notices him really except for maybe Don. Don better pour the pork to his kids teacher. She's a sweet looking filly.Fucking Roger, he's a pisser ain't he? Roger again brought the funny hard tonight.
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she's just kinda young, and healthy, which is kinda attractive.. and she's been on cool shows, so she's respected I guess..
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tonight's episode was radically different from any other episode of mad men. they've been hinting at changes for a while now with little glimpses into everything that's going on in the world around them. the subtleties of sally watching the burning monk on tv, peggy moving out, and don and pete's not so enthusiastic reaction to roger in blackface all reflect changing times. certain things in tonight's episode like the surrealism in the dream sequence, overt conversations about race and medgar evers death, and peggy bringing up up equal pay laws with don sort of pushed all those things to the forefront. i guess the change was represented by the birth of eugene 3 and i'm very excited at the direction the rest of the season is taking.
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But the fact that we didn't get to see the guard's baby as he was wheeling his wife around was troubling. I mean, for the baby to be there would have completed the image; the image of the family leaving the hospital; and image that would reenforce your reading with "Here he is with his family and his new package, in his world, now alienated from Don." The omission seems glaring.
Add the fact that I come to find out from reading Slate that Pineapples are thought to induce abortions, and then add the several reminders throughout the show that the baby was supposed to be a girl, and well, things seem fishy to me. I usually take the Occam's Razor approach to these things, but this time, I think there was something going on.
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I didn't noticed the baby missing, I was watching on a small computer screen and I usually watch the twice before I comment so you could very well be right. I was working off my initial responce to the episode. It usually changes when I watch the episode again.
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I only watched MM off and on in the first two seasons, and casually at that, so this may be obvious -- but how secure is Don at SC? Duck underestimated Don's position at the end of S2, but I'm getting the vibe that he's not totally secure.As for HBO/Showtime, there will always be a place for pay cable. Even as the free networks have broken the monopoly on deeper adult fare, and the use of bad language, there's one thing they still can't do--show skin and sex. The pay networks have noticed, so you see a fair amount of it, with some of it coming from surprising people, which can be good or bad, depending on your position.Oh, and with the talent the MM crew has with taking some fine modern actors and making them look even better, in conservative garb, I don't think Peggy would be the first one I'd notice, even though she's the dowdy one.
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Fine actress and everything, don't get me wrong, but it seems like geeks often inflate the appearance of very homely girls, presumably because they believe they'd stand more of a chance with them in real life, but also perhaps for a kind of prejudice which says an actress can't be intelligent if she's stunningly beautiful. For my money January Jones is the best actress AND the hottest woman on the show.
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Could her "touchy feely" personality, which isn't all that typical for teaching back then, I don't think, be another new kind of cultural thing Don can explore, as he did the beatniks and those drifters?And by explore, I mean, bang the hell out of.
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was by Hollis the elevator operator:
"Every job has its ups and downs"
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Elizabeth Moss "very homely"?? Obviously you've not seen her outside of the series. She's a lovely looking woman. Not va-va-va-voom Tex Avery tongue hanging out gorgeous, but homely??
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What does 'homely' mean to you? To me it means, not ugly, but not pretty, either. Just like Elizabeth Moss, with her lantern-shaped face, hooked nose and orbicular, bulging eyes. Obviously character judgments shouldn't be based on looks, only aesthetic ones. And, aesthetically, she's homely as a shoe.
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She's not hard to look at, she doesn't repel me, but she certainly is in no way attractive or conventionally "hot" Joan isn't my type at all, but I recognize her incredibly womanly hotness. Betty is ridiculously hot. Sal's wife was a sexy little girl. Peggy Olsen is not hot at all.
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Homely is the word for it, yes, but that sounds too negative. She's just a normal fucking person. That's what it is. Compared to everyone else on television, who is usually at the very least slightly above average, Elizabeth Moss is just your everyday average looking girl. She's just herself.
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I guess the difference is the definition. Homely, to me, is when the sight of someone makes you wince a bit inside. I think Crow summed it up best.
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HBO is dead. And seriously, what the heck is Epitafios. Please enlighten me coco with your wonderful intelligence.
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The Yippies were lead by "The Chicago 7" and were at the forefront of the radical movement of the 1960's.Betty at the window, with Don and the kids outside, was identical to me and mu dad when my sister was born. I had a major flashback.For everyone who was wondering "Where's Duck" and "Where is the racism", you just got your answers.-----later-----m
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What clown car did you jump out of Assh0k? HBO has over 38 million US subs, consistently dominates the emmys every year, has True Blood's first season as the 9th best selling overall dvd of the year, has shows and mini-series from Tom Hanks, Spielberg, Larry David, David Simon, Alan Ball, Will Ferrell, Marty Scorcese, Ricky Gervais etc. and they're done because YOU say so? YOU- the expert- who's asking me what the heck is Epitafios? LOL! You could pop this clown's bubblehead with a wet newspaper.
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The Sunday night lineup this past summer was pretty weak. True Blood became laughable, Hung was average at best, and Entourage has sucked, its was always a shallow show but this year they seem to not trying to put any plot forward at all. Well that and its just not funny anymore, you can only laugh at Ari yelling at loyd so many times. Let Curb and Big Love come back and show em how its done.
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is trash- I agree. True Blood- laughable- yes- it's intentionally cheesy. Any series with vampires, shapeshifters, and whatnot that takes itself seriously is bound to be pretentious garbage. What's worse? Pretension or campy fun? Pretension- any day. Hung is definitely above average- are you forgetting what the average is? Big Love, yes... Last season was incredible television.
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I didn't notice the baby thing either, but I did notice the guard as he turned away from don when he passed him. I haven't watched it a second time that'll be this weekend, so I'll know for sure.
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I didn't watch this episode till last night so I couldn't contribute. Whoever was talking about these TBs being underwhelming is right. Not only is the show really great, but there's a lot going on -plenty to talk about. I was actually a little underwhelmed by this week's episode. Maybe it's cause I didn't watch it on Sunday, or because the previous one was so terrific. I loved Don ripping that California-esque car ad out and putting it in his pocket.
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I don't know what that look was about, but I thought it was pretty funny when he started talking about his job as if Don had pulled the information out of him.
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the university! But you'll see! My hokey baby-switch interpretation of what happened in this episode will be true! Then you'll all see, and you'll all be sorry!
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Uh... yeah, maybe in 1999? ABC, SHO, FX, and AMC are all producing better shows than HBO.
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I went back and watched that scene last night and it's true the baby was not there but the guy's wife was smiling. I assume they were o n their way to the nursery to see their kid. but I have NO CLUE as to why the guy looked away from Don. It could have been a class thing, but Don initiated the eye contact and smile so I'm not sure that's the whole story. My guess is that the guy was embarassed that he had told Don so much while they were drinking about him being a better man and his fears that he wouldn't love his baby if his wife had died in childbirth.
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you're the same jackass who on IMDB said that the Shield is better than the Wire- no one takes you seriously. Maybe if you actually watched some HBO shows (HBO SUCKS! WHAT'S EPITAFIOS!?! UGGGH DUH) then people might value your criticism. As it stands- you're just a hideous troll- hitting up IMDB threads for HBO shows that you don't watch just to say HBO sucks so you can sound like some kind of rebel turning against the tide. You're a prime example of the douchebaggery on these threads here- fucking Mongoloid Jack with his uninformed, non-descriptive empty criticism- putting forth his worthless opinion as fact. Sic' em Jerkoff
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I always thought he was gay... Elisabeth Moss looks like a real person (with a good body). Of course she is going to be homely next to the Mad Men babefest where the 3rd grade teacher is a fringgen 9.9. I can see Moss's appeal on the show because of her proper, icy persona. Guys love to corrupt that shit.
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Actually I think they are engaged, if not married.
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Sep 16, 2009 8:48:46 PM CDT
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Was that the first appearance of the Draper's dog in however long it's been? If Matthew Weiner is reading, try shoe horning Vincent on Lost for a possible crossover. I think it's possible now since Lost got into time traveling.
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