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Here's The Title & ETA Of The Next PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN Film!!
Merrick here...
Someguy (his chosen handle - not my characterization) just sent this in from Disney's D23 expo:
Just saw Johnny Depp...yes, he talked Alice and is very excited about it...but the unexpected news was :
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Said the script looks really good and that they hope to have the old gang back together.
As for the D23 Expo...its better than I expected. Some amazing stuff coming to their parks soon.
Call me....someguy
Shortly after we received Someguy's message, the following title treatment for PIRATES 4 arrived through official channels. It is EMBIGGENABLE!
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Said the script looks really good and that they hope to have the old gang back together.
As for the D23 Expo...its better than I expected. Some amazing stuff coming to their parks soon.
Call me....someguy
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oh well
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Sorry, but I don't like this subtitle. Change it and apease my sense of self worth.
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Sep 11, 2009 4:18:36 PM CDT
The script is 'really good' and the cash is 'f-ing insane'
by baron karza
Sounds like a deal!
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yah baby
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are the titles awkward? The titles are as messy as the screenplays for 2 and 3.
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part 2 and 3 were overly confusing in a recent interview. It seems like they're going back to the formula of the first film.
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Just don't make it the start of another trilogy!
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First movie was fantastic, second was ball lickingly bad, the third had some nice imagery but not much else.
Just leave it alone. This is the equivalent of doing a forth matrix! Or making more Star Wars. Actually wouldn't mind the latter -
made sense. The third one was kinda tacked on. Curse of the Black Pearl was totally, unexpectedly awesome. Deadman's Chest had really good fx work. At World's End was just awkward and overlong. It still wasn't as bad as Spiderman 3 or Transformers 2.
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And I'll pay to go see it. I love the first one and nearly all of the second one - right up until the mouth thing swallows him, in fact. I even love the overly long scenes (why should QT be the only one who gets no shit for doing that?). But that ending... ehh, doesn't inspire, let's say. All of the third one was hit and miss for me. A lot of it just didn't seem to have the right tone and/or mood. Loved all the "strange" Depp parts near the beginning, though. So maybe there's hope.
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Aint It fucking Friday News. Usually you guys take Friday off, and don't give us any reivews of Gamer.
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that inspired Monkey Island?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Stranger_Tides
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As a two parter, and not connected to the first one, it is quite cool.
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Streisands comeback film...stupid as hell post..i have nothing
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ah jeez, showing my age.
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What?!
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"Avast...me tinks thar be some impregnating tar be done"
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Heh.
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The writers lost the plot with Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. Both movies are pretty entertaining, especially Dead Man's Chest with the brilliant Davey Jones (the best CGI character ever, and a great performance by Bill Nighy) and the Flying Dutchman coolness, also the great swordfight sequence involving the wheel and the beach, but the plot could have been better. The ending with Barbossa coming down the stairs was fantastic though. Each movie needed at least 10 minutes snipping from it for pacing. I don't know why they felt they needed each one to be so long, especially with them coming out less than a year apart. The Jack-is-dead section goes on for SOOOOOOO long. That sequence where he's with a crew of several Jacks and all those crab things, just dear god WHY did they even shoot it??? It's so far removed from where this series should have gone. Something like 45 minutes before they even get back to the main story, whatever it was... The Calypso idea should have been much more than how it turned out. She just creates a huge whirlpool and...that's IT!! Davey Jones didn't get a good enough ending either.
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As in "get the fuck off."
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Sep 11, 2009 4:34:18 PM CDT
I think they should have a crossover with Digital Playground.
by jarjarmessiah
Pirates on Pirates Sex= Box offce Gold!
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I've got nothing either. Do we really need this film? If the law of diminishing averages is still holding true then this one is going to be pretty bad.
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a bit dodgy, all the other titles were pretty catchy, that sounds a bit emily bronte to me, now im execting some lush romantic epic, is that horrible rumour that zac (cant mention his name without throwing up a little in my mouth) efron was gonna be in it true? or just a nasty bit of gossip?
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especially dead mans chest my favorite. they wont be the same without her. but they could still be cool. also verbinski and bloom were solid but i dont expect to return.
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if you watch them more than once. and give it your full concentration, don't be Twittering and playing Worlds Of Warcraft during it.
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it felt like it came out of a Terry Gilliam film.
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Didn't even bother to buy it on DVD.
I hated how the Kraken died "off camera.
I hated how they built up this rivalry between Lord Beckett and Sparrow but it never paid off.
I really hated the stupid pirate ship tower/ meeting.
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How much of the old gang? I thought they were done with Keira Knightley and that other guy. I suppose I don't mind as long as those Russell Brand rumors get squashed. I can only tolerate that guy in small doses.
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All you need for a fun Pirates movie is Depp, RUsh, and the rest of the Pirate crew...Keira and Bloom were like watching someone in Alaska pouring molasses every time they were on the screen.Other than eye candy, that the nasty thoughts her visage sparks, I could do without Keira.
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And the end of the second where they bring Barbossa back was fantastic. What a surprise scene. at least wasn't spoiled on the net.
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during the shoot?! As I remember the gossip..she was looking for a way out of shooting more after #1. Maybe not having a Blockbuster sized points propelled payday has mellowed her overly serious self.Still...No Keira...not needed.
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Classic "always do the right thing" hero character, surrounded by anti heroes at best. The sequels ruined him though with this "have to save my pop, whatever it takes" shit. There were already enough complicated storylines, and his broke the camel's back.
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There's been talk of the Fountain of Youth in Pirates 4 and now Pirates 4 has the subtitle "On Stranger Tides..." which is the title of a fantasy pirate novel from the 80s that features the Fountain of Youth. Did Disney just buy the rights to the novel and adapt it into this screenplay? That's be a safer bet than hastily throwing together a mess of a story like Pirates 2/3.
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WTF?! "On Stranger Tides" is the name of a book written by Tim Powers that the Monkey Island games were based on. It'd make a kick ass movie but it's lame they are stealing the title.
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they could have gone some very serious places with that one, heartbroken, driven mad by loss and betrayal...and yet, they never really followed through....instead we get Orlando and Keiras insipid story arch.
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was ok thanks to Bill Nighy but could have been way better, but the 3rd was just painful to watch. It was just too long and so many things that should have been flushed out were just handled wrong: the Kraken's death (damn, I loved that thing!), Davey Jones' death, Calypso, the ending, just to name a few. A 4th one just seems forced and really unnecessary.
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http://grumpygamer.com/6476640 If they really bought this novel, I'd guess that it's more of an "inspired by" situation than a really literal adaptation. I don't know where the existent Disney characters would fit into the story. The main thing is that Jack Sparrow needs to be the main character in this one. It won't matter how many people disliked Pirates 3 if they can promise a new film where Bloom and Knightley are absent and Depp is promoted up from funny sidekick status.
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I know I'm in the minority, but I really, really loved all the films . . . the first one blew me away, and I was there for the midnight screenings at the El Capitan for both 2 and 3. Are they the best things ever? Nope . . . but damn if they didn't click with me.Can't wait for the next, I'm already there, pirate garb and all!!
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the general public, and I loved them. It's one of the best trilogies since Star Wars and Indiana Jones.
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Best character in the series if you ask me, far more interesting that even Depps Sparrow.
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I could see Jack Sparrow in the Davies role from the book. I don't know who'd they'd get to play Blackbeard. They should definitely use new actors for Beth Hurwood and Chadagnac though (don't shoehorn Knightley and Orlando into it). Of course this is all assuming they follow the plot of the novel and don't just "borrow" the title.
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Wherein Monkey Island is the theme park stronghold of the Pirate Lord Guybrush Threepwood.
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Cast Emma Watson in this movie. She'll be done with the Harry Potter movies by then.
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Adventure on Splash Mountain
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Trapped In a Small World, After All!
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Or will this be set in the 10 years where he's gone?
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Jack Sparrow Bags a Goth Chick Behind the Restrooms In Frontierland
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Johnny Depp Buys a New Chateau
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the rent just got higher in France. am i right mr. Depp?
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Thanks to the fantastic character that is Davy Jones and his pet Kraken. The rumor is that Bloom and Knightley are NOT in this one, as their story is finished. So don't get excited or angry at the prospect of their characters coming back. Its always been said they won't be. But if they back dumptrucks of cash up their driveway... who knows.
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...skeletal, walking dead, ghost pirates are just way cooler and scarier than Squiddly Diddly and extras from the cast of Little Mermaid. Search your feelings, you know this to be true.
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So a movie without them is a slightly more exciting prospect. It would be good if Disney didn't just replace them with "new younger guy and girl," but that may be what Depp wants to do. If you look at his sidekick role in the Pirates movies and his sidekick role as Tonto in The Lone Ranger, it seems very much like he never wants to take the lead in these big Bruckheimer things. It's a smart move. When big tentpoles suck, the audience blames the lead actors first. There are still legions of deluded dopes who think Batman & Robin was somehow Clooney's fault.
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that's the rumour going around my london agency earlier today - and the reason we heard about it is because one particular key (classic SW) actor has been requested
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The first POTC was fantastic, a great swashbuckler. The second was okay, a bit tedious, but still fun. The third one was just awful on every level. I have no idea how they let that happen.
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live-action Star Wars films. He'll be busy for the next few years with the upcoming TV show.
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I like 1&3 a lot. More Barbosa = more fun.I also gotta stick up for Knight and Bloomy, I found their 10 year old son heartbreaking.
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sea turtles, oh my fingers
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In all three series, the original was smart, fun, and totally unexpected. In all three series, a second and third movie were banged out back-to-back and rushed into theaters within a year of each other. In all three series, the audience was frustrated by an elaborate and plot-heavy second chapters and disappointed by brainless, tired third chapters.
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I'm actually looking forward to this. Pirates is one of the consistently good set of movies around.
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Part III was awesome.
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...is that they tone down the music. That grand sweeping POTC theme played throughout the 3 films is really nauseating.
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No more Knightley, no more Orloondo Bland (to quote Dr Kermode), no more Gareth from Th Office and no more delusions that this is a 'mythology' - I just want two rollicking fun hours of Jack and Barbossa trying to get one up on each other. And a proper ending as well please.
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Besides, who said Lucas had to direct again? He didn't intend in doing II+III, lets hope he hands the reigns over to someone else.
We all want to see a knights of the old republic movie on the big screen. And Lucas likes planning way in advance, he used to deny making new star wars in the eighties, but then along came The Phantom Menace....
If they made 7,8,9 it will be Hamill returning as an aged Luke with his descendants battling a new enemy. I'd like it to be something other than the Sith though. -
...but I'm happy they're making another one. As long as Rush is back as well as Depp.
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On Stranger Tides (by Tim Powers) was an incredible book, one of my favorites of all time and one of those I push on people.
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will help no?
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i question his analytical skills. i use all of his movies as evidence.
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The Great Goiter himself has all but said that. Someone is just throwing fuel on the simmering fire.
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BTTF II was awesome time-travel porn for SF fans.
Pirates 2 was weak -- I found the parts with Bloom and his father on the Davy Jones ship to be interminable. Having Barbossa back in part 3 was great but I hated that they stranded Keira with a baby because I could have sworn that her arc would end up with her as a legendary pirate herself. Oh well.
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That picture was embigginable.
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2 & 3 sucked. They were way over the top and nothing more than cgi addiction. Gets some fucking mermaids and bad ass shark attacks!
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Orlando Bloom can go die in a fire for all I care and there are plenty of pretty faces to replace Keira. And why the fuck do they need to do another trilogy? One-offs will still rake in a billion apiece and keep the stories fresh (theoretically). We don't need another bloated, 8-hour, incoherent mess, though I did find the first 3 entertaining.
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...but if they don't get Gore back for P4 it's gonna sink.
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the kind that don't wear seashells and are all played by supermodels. Haven't seen hot mermaids since Hook.
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Let's bring in Mermaids rolls eyes.
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Sure it was expensive but no one should have expected it to make more than that.
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For the record. In fact, I like all the Pirates movies. Great use of CG to enhance characters, and I admire the use of real sets and locations.
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Oh no, I'm dead, oh noes! Give me Captain "It's Grand To Be Dead!" LeChuck instead.
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Take a book like On Stranger Tides that actually has a story, adapt it for a PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN Captain Jack Sparrow story, and Disney might have themselves something good. And yes, there will be more STAR WARS films. I would bet my twig and berries. How's that for sure? Lucasfilm is a corporation and they need to generate content to keep that machine going. We will see EPISODE VII, VIII, and IX and we will see something from INDIANA JONES. Probably MUTT WILLIAMS AND THE (INSERT 50's SOUNDING SCI-FI TITLE). It's only a matter of time.
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Silly me. I know.
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Leave whathername and whatshisname behind, all we need is Depp and Rush and we got ourselves a movie.
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it's usually because I don't give enough of a shit. Not in the case for the 'Pirates' flicks.
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Should just be about pirates Depp goofing off and no crazy side plots that lead to nothing.
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3 sucked
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and who the fucked like Sweeny Todd? Depp knows Alice in Wonderland sucks shit, so he needed another Pirates to rake in cash.
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Only if they keep Bloom and Knightly out of it. Their story is done and I'd completely lose interest if they do reappear in leading roles again. I'd suggest bringing back Saldana as Anamaria. I think they could add more to her story.
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it wasn't the best film of the year by any means. But still it was a solid enjoyable film. You're just a moron (as usual). Alice In Wonderland does look like shit, and I think he enjoys Pirates. He's got the cash. Wouldn't you enjoy fucking chilling on an island all day and being drunk (and being paid 20 million plus to do it)? He's a great actor.
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Davy Jones - DEAD. The Kraken - DEAD They already tried to replace this unfuckable duo with a shit eating well mannered brit, a pushover oriental, and most pathetically a god damn storm. I seriously hope Ted and Terry don't think that anything short of a fresh re-injection of the supreme squid devil can possibly carry the franchise any further. If Bloom is out, then I FUCKING REFUSE to watch one second because that would mean a total abandonment of the Flying Dutchman. I want a substandard Barbossa/Sparrow race for treasure like I want an alligator up my ass. Fuck!
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Sep 11, 2009 9:01:45 PM CDT
If you want to insure an ETERNITY of these films:
by anything but tangerines
Now that disney owns Marvel, cross POTC with the X-Men and you'll have Hugh Jackman and Johnny Depp doing the same fucking characters for the rest of their lives in the longest film series in history. They will be 120 years old and providing voiceovers for CG and they won't give up their "creations". MOVE ON, HOLLYWOOD!
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Depp is so great. But, he keeps going back to Burton. Don't Depp!
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Funny how everyone says they hated Pirates 2 and 3, because when you look at them, structurally, tonally, they are exactly the same as Empire and Jedi. Those who bitch about wasting time getting Jack back from the Locker, well, what about Solo in Jabba's palace? Also remember that Empire was despised by fans when it was released because it "had no ending", so the Matrix and BTTF arguments hold no water, either. Bottom line is all three Pirates movies are great. The plots DO make sense if you just frickin' pay attention! My my my, if the plot didn't make you think, people would complain about them being too simplistic or predictable. It's the whiners in the audience (and Talkbacks) who are predictable and stupid, not the movies. I say bri9ng on Pirates 4. The one thing I *do* agree with is that Knightly and Bloom are done. Let's have it be Sparrow and Barbossa. And, for a new villain, I say cast Alan Rickman as an oceangoing vampire-like guy.
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to my house. I fuckin' love October!
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put down the twilight books
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POTC 4: the tides of profit. this series started out as entertaining and promising, but like the matrix bogged down in style over substance and a vapid waste of time. The only way I'd go see POTC 4 would be at gunpoint or getting paid up front with a chest full of gold.
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Sep 11, 2009 10:02:50 PM CDT
I FELL INTO A DEEP, COMFY REM SLEEP DURING THE LAST MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
I woke up and saw big crashing waves and went right back to sleep.
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Jack goes after the acqua vida to prevent Barbossa from reaching it. Jack needs the Dutchman to regain Pearl, clashes with the Turners, who cast him out ironically. Jack has no alternative but to side with Pirate queen Swann and meets up with his Dad again who knows a "shortcut" to the fountain. They all meet, fight and Will Turner dies somehow the end.
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would be able to keep you awake, but fuck ... that was a damn good nap.
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Some tits and sea monsters might help too.
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Sea monsters with hundreds of giant tits equal box office gold.
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.. the skeleton pirates. I liked them... or maybe ninjas so that the raging ninja vs. pirate debate can finally be solved.
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Now that's an eye-opener!
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what the hell is point of the embiggen, who the hell wants that crap anyway?
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Nuff said.
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I remember the space dinosaur shit that was reported way back and I still have nightmares
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many hot babes in Pirate gear. God, it was great.
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What a nice theater you got there!
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But, they were hot.
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don't fall into the indiana jones trap
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"But I was on his side all along" "But I was on his side all along" "Who's side are you on?" "Well I was pretending to be on his side but now I'm on your side, planning to be on someone else's side,have I fooled you yet?"
Idiotic script. Idiotic. I wish they would've taken their time with those because I really liked the first and liked some scenes in the other ones immensely. To the idiot talking about Empire and Jedi being like the last two pirates movies, I see what you're saying, but really. Really. Get the fuck out of here with that shit. -
I loved the alternate 1985 and the return to the 50's wasn't bad at all but I hated Michael J Fox as his son and especially as his Daughter, also the Elizabeth Shue side story but it could have been worse. Part 3 needed a scene where marty goes back to the jurassic period or to the roman colisseum during a battle when the flux compasetor goes all wacky, just to break up the monatany.
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What else can you do to a pirate to make'em supernatural that hasn't already been done? Arrgh, me crew and aye stayed out in de burnin' sun too long and turned into bacon! Aye, bacon pirates.
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Your analogy is ridiculous. Thats like saying your fiance will be replaced by a woman who has the same color hair, is the same height, and has the same size feet. A movie can try to mimic the structure and tone of another movie (which 2 and 3 shamelessly do of TESB and ROTJ), but still fail miserably. Besides, it's pretty clear you don't have any clue about screenplay structure. TESB and ROTJ have very, VERY, clear through-lines. They are both structured quite beautifully. The two PIRATES sequels are a mess even though they appropriated so much from the STAR WARS sequels.
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I really don't want most of that cast to return.
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She was so awful in the Pirates movies, but then so was her character. A pampered mayor's daughter suddenly turns into a swashbuckling pirate at the drop of a hat. So politically correct it made me wanna heave into my popcorn. Just do the film with Sparrow and Barbosa and I'll be happy. Let Depp be Depp.
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This crapload of a title was also announced at the under-attended D23. I'm surprised AICN didn't mention it. Surprised, and grateful.
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I hope he meant Verbinski directing, Elliot and Rossio writing, and Bruckheimer producing (but basically staying the hell out of the way). As far as returning cast, dump Knightley and Bloom since their story is, as far as I'm concerned, done and over with. But, for the love of God, keep Geoffrey Rush. Rush and Depp had great chemistry playing off each other and I'd be all for another movie that centers around them.
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Back To The Future was a great story very well told. It had heart, purpose, and people you cared about. At the end of the first film I was struck by the limitless possibilities of the sequels. Sadly, the makers of the sequels were not. It's as if they had no real idea what made the first film special, and no imagination with which to take the first film's set-up into more great story-telling. They completely trash the meaning of the first film by cartooning the characters. The first film was, at its heart, about how one person can make a real difference in the lives of the people he/she cares about. The sequels reduced the lead to a cut-out with a brand-new senseless 'anger management' issue. Keeping all the side characters such as Biff was a huge waste. Redundant, redundant, redundant. And it was redundant. Badly re-hashed supporting characters served only to provide paychecks to the actors. Think about what could have been. It could have been great, maybe even one of the best movie series ever. They could have gone anywhere and anywhen. Instead... what a (insert favorite expletive here) waste. I refused to buy the three movie sets and waited until the first movie was available by itself. I prefer to live in a world where BTTF 2 and 3 were never made, but since their existence was thrown in my face through this talkback... Well, I just had to say something. I feel better now. Thanks.
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I would like to see this film have Barbossa, Capn Jack, and all new characters and story.
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Exactly as you said. Well put. Let's hope it happens this way.
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would be a better title...seriously this is a lame title and I hope it changes before the move comes out. I wasn't a big fan of 2 and 3 but enjoyed the first one and would like to see a movie that does the first one justice.
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But the filmmakers said they way the ended Part I was supposed to be a joke, and they no way intended for Jennifer to be in the car at the end. That's why when II came around they were freaked out that Jennifer had to be in it because they had to pick up from the end of one.
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In regards to one9deuce, actually, I have a very strong understanding of screenwriting. You'd be surprised. But just for the sake of argument, let's see: Empire and Jedi were well structured stories? That's a laugh. Now, I grew up with Star Wars and love 'em, but seriously, take a closer look: Luke learned a lifetime of Jedi training in the short time Han was outrunning Vader? And, in Jedi, what Luke did or didn't do with Vader and Palpatine made absolutely no difference as to whether the Rebels destroyed the Death Star or not. It was like two movies mashed together. No better than Pirates 3. There's your structural comparison. As for tone, it *is* the same: Empire/DM's Chest were the dark middle act, while Jedi/World's End were the "big fight finale". And in the greater context, like in a good script, look at everything in my post, not just pieces. They all fit together to create a larger meaning. You missed most of it, obviously, like the asshole in the theater who talks on his cellphone, misses important dialogue, then complains how the movie makes no sense. Oh yeah, I heard this A LOT in Pirates 2 and 3. But, the truth is, their scripts make perfect sense. Just not to those who don't pay attention.
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unless they're going to reduce the darkness factor in this one.
Curse of Black Pearl
Dead Man's Chest
At World's End
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Sounds more mysterious? or "In Uncharted Ocean"?
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Chemistry between Rush and Sparrow WAS the best part of the series. They won't drop Bloom and Kiera simply because they will get the screaming fangirls [and tweeny fanboys???] asses in the seats.
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Turner will return and also Lizabeth. We already saw Davey Jones' locker in II, so I bet in this one we'll see where Will Turner goes with the Flying Dutchman?
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It's been a while since anybody mentioned Avatar here.
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I never saw part 3 , nor did I hire it on dvd, but as it was showing on telly last night I thought I'd give it a chance. Switched off half-way through, it was just nonsensical. I guess the news of Pirates 4 will at least have Orlando Bloom smiling, he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of work otherwise.
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lifted wholesale from a book and adapted to a different property's characters like this, before? Seems like the first three movies stole much from Monkey Island.I'll have to read the book, but I don't expect much piracy in this one, as well. They need to have one where Jack gets sent back in time to the true Golden Age of Piracy via the Bermuda Triangle.
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People's eyeballs were so ravaged by the 'Dances With Thundersmurfs' trailer that they can no longer see to post...
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I suppose so. They feel it's important to slam big blockbusters.
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Monkey Island was taking usual Pirate story elements from old movies and novels. It just jazzed it up with references to popular things.
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Yeah, i _really_ can't wait to see more of Orlando Bloom and Kate Beckinsale or whoever that anorexic girl was. Will the two "funny" pirates be back?
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I hope they change it to something better by the time they get to production or release...
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of all time. Obviously, Empire takes the #1 spot, but DMC had the one-two punch of Jack Sparrow getting fucking eaten alive, and then Barbossa walking down those stairs and eating the apple. Great stuff. Don't care what anyone says.
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I LOVE JOHNNY DEPP. <3
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Sep 12, 2009 3:14:44 AM CDT
There was no problem with the 2nd movie
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Except the third movie. The 2nd one was the only good one.
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I, too, was hoping for a Fountain of Youth story. Oh well...
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http://tinyurl.com/2w7ysc"...Secondly, As we assumed, the artwork from Steve Purcell was for the canceled Monkey Island movie that ILM (Industrial Light and Magic) was working on in 2000. The really interesting thing is that the movie was going to be produced by Steven Spielberg (who is a big Monkey Island fan himself). He asked Ted Elliott, a script writer who has worked on several Disney movies (including 'Treasure Planet') and on 'Steven Spielberg’s Director's Chair' game, to help with the story for the MI movie.The Monkey Island movie never got the green light and years later Ted Elliott wrote 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl', which took several ideas from Monkey Island. So basically the first two PotC movies are the Monkey Island movie..."
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The Monkey Island game borrowed from the Pirates ride first. Not disputing that Black Pearl took a lot of its elements in turn from Monkey Island, though.
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That means Depp will be near 50 when he returns to play Jack Sparrow?
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the sequels shoulda been stand alone adventures instead of the forced linked stuff trying to ape the star wars/BTTF trilogy
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Do you think they would ever make a POTC movie without these actors? Why can't Jack find new friends to get into trouble with?
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I want to forget i saw that horrible stupid shit called The Crystal Skullfuck!! Fucking ass, man!
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A short film (and a long one at that) which could have been presented either just before World's End or as a DVD release.
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Not to take anything away from Depp but it was like Ali Frazier, they needed each other. Thats why 2 and 3 sucked because Rush was absent from the second and was relegated to window dressing on the 3rd one.
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Yeah, the first will always be the best but the two sequels are so much fun to watch, there are so many classic lines, great effects for the time that still mostly hold up today, just overall probably my favourite series from my childhood (at least on a par with star wars and Indy).
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Sep 12, 2009 7:54:40 AM CDT
Get someone funny and weaselly to play Guybrush Threepwood
by sepulchrave
and make it The Secret of Monkey Island.
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Sep 12, 2009 8:06:46 AM CDT
Boy, THAT subtitle really rolls off the ol' tongue...
by nasty in the pasty
Just please, GOD let this movie run under two hours...I'm fucking BEGGING you...
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sure, there is a cliffhanger ending, but the plot threads of the second film are all wrapped up. "Lightning strikes the time machine" could be the beginning of the third one, and we would still pretty much get the same story. 3 is a whole new adventure.
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I used to think the world of the first movie. Then i hit the 20s. and the 30s. and nowdays, the movies are just this funny, well made but disposable movies. They are just not that great anymore. Other movies from that period that i saw and liked less back then, i now find myself liking them more then my once adore BTTF franchise. It's not longer important, it's no longer great, i don't even think of it anymore when i think of good movies i really like to rewatch. I outgrew it.
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And said that he loved the character of Jack Sparrow so much and had so much fun making these movies that he would keep coming back indefinitely to make more of them as long as there was still interest. I sort of chuckled at the comment and thought "nah they won't run the series into the ground" but apparently I stand corrected.
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...That they've lifted a lot of ideas from the Tim Powers book and the Monkey Island series.
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its been a while since i seen the pirates crap on the store shelves,cant wait for the new jack sparrow figure the 2011 pose wich pretty much looks like the past 400 jack sparrow figures.
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I hated 2&3, it's pointless at this point.
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Monkey Island creator Ron Gilbert has always maintained that while much of the atmosphere and visual iconography of the series was inspired by Disney's POTC ride, "On Stranger Tides" was a bigger influence in terms of characters and story (the predominance of voodoo, a demonic pirate antagonist, etc.). And yes, the Ted Elliott connection between the sadly aborted MI film and the eventual POTC screenplay is a good indicator that the parallels between MI and POTC are more than coincidental (although I don't think they rise to the level of plagiarism, given the common sources and lore). Both MI and the POTC films already owe a debt to "On Stranger Tides," so it seems appropriate to make it official. Personally, I don't understand all the hate for the title ... I think it's interesting and evocative, and I hope they keep it.
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Keira Knightley is one of the most beautiful women in the world, and an amazing actress! Watch Attonement if you think otherwise.
I agree keeping Orlando Bloom away is a great idea, the guy has all the charisma of a steaming turd, and the acting talent of Keanu Reeves.
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Castle shooting Johnny Depp right through the face. Great start to the Marvel/Disney partnership.
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Knightly is one of those chain smoking skeleton waifs out of England like Kate Moss. She has no tits at all and she's built like a boy. No sex appeal at all.
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All three films have been far too long.
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Maybe in this version, we'll see Orlando return to shore and find Keira a distinguished old lady of 60 or so...
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Sexiest beampole tomboy doesn't ring any bells?
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LOTS of people like them. They make money. The actors seem to enjoy them. I'm waiting for Ocean's 14...
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No, I didn't like her in Pirates. But what sick minded fucker, like most of us, would not bang that anorexic minx into next year. If she is a smoker she is a poker, I bet she'd take it any way you could dream up and would look like the fucking real deal when she put on the schoolgirl outfit.Yes sir...skinny, chain smokin English waifs? Sign me the fuck up.Just keep her outta any future Pirates movies...unless it is produced by Vivid.
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I like women to have actual female features and substance. When you can count her ribs, there is a feeling of "UGH eat some food you a-cup chimney. She is the least sexiest leading woman in history since Sandra Bernhard and Sarah Jessica Parker. Incidentally, SJP looks just like the witch from the wizard of oz.
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Problem is with Knightly's body, she could star in young gay men's porn and no one could tell she wasn't a dude without a crotch shot.
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the bitch has insane legs, and a killer face and have you seen that girls abs? Ok, so she has no tits...I'm down with the -A cup cuties, and much prefer them to the usual Hollywood Silicon sluts.But to each his own...
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I know you want everyone to think that PIRATES 2 and 3 are coherent, and your doing your best with your limited knowledge of screenwriting. But here's the thing: They're a mess. You could do charts and comparisons all day long and it doesn't change the fact that that most everyone thinks they're sloppy. And if most everyone thinks they're sloppy......... they are. Regular moviegoers will miss character arcs, themes, symbolism, etc... but EVERYONE who sees a movie should easily get the basic story. Always. And you're attempt to prove your knowledge of screenplay structure pretty definitively proved you don't know what you're talking about. Try something a little easier: What is the story of TESB? One sentence should be enough. And how does the structure of the script so perfectly tell that story? I already know you don't know, but I want to watch you fumble around trying.
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Knightly is too skeletal for me. There is a lot of difference between her concave chest and the OTT silicone monsters. Linda Cardellini, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Olivia Wilde, Sophie Marceau and the list goes on of non-augmented women with a normal build. Something about a woman's pelvic bones protruding and a prominent clavicle that says malnutrition. It looks unhealthy, and too boyish for me.
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still stallone has confirmed that he shot the scene that we have all been waiting for thats arnie, sly and bruce in the same film on screen the very first time.
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Im out. I really cannot stand either of them.
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Then why the fuck do you watch PIRATES? Does someone have a gun to your head? There are endless hours of film out there and you worry what what ONE chain-smoking waif looks like? Watch another movie, watch something with girls you like. But for fucks sake, why bitch about something totally within your scope of control? No one forces you to watch Kiera Knightley. And there are far, far worse-looking women in movies that I manage to skillfully avoid by using self-control.
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How unoriginal and boorishly done. Unlike a TV show people pay to go to movies. Obviously unlike you, I have a hot girlfriend who wanted to see it. So I paid our way. It was unavoidable, that is if I wanted to maintain a steady stream of vagina. So your incredibly retarded parroting of your idiotic Tv habits from another post are totally misapplied.
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Who cares?
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Are they doing the fountain of youth plot hinted at the end of 3?
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So what if she has no tits, I forgot how stupidly shallow all of you are! Have you seen the legs on the woman? And no one can deny how amazingly pretty she is.
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and it was a big problem, was that the screenplay was only 60% complete when shooting began. This is a very bad thing. I do believe Pirates II with its operatic sweep and magnificent visuals set audiences up for something truly spectacular, but Pirates III simply could not deliver. Yes, it was a mess. One of those movies in which characters do the things they do because that's what the screenplay tells them to do. Nothing flowed, nothing was organic in the story. It had its moments, but overall it was just awful. They should have waited a year. They didn't and anyone who saw the film knows the result. Screenplay and movie making 101, and Disney I believe spent $500 million on those two movies.
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I'd bang Keira Knightley all knight long. Professional.
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I won't dignify your "challenge" by actually taking it, because it's clear nothing will satisfy you. But how about this? You're the one making claims to have great knowledge of screenwriting, so, what are YOUR credentials? You're making the challenge, so come on, how do you justify your boasts? What scripts have you written? What movies have you made? Oh, believe me, I can back up such claims, but you're the challenger here, so let's hear the proof. If you can actually walk the walk instead of just talk the talk, then I'll take your foolish challenge, and blow you out of the water. So bring it on.
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For everyone confused about the plot of Pirates 3, perhaps this will help: Kalypso raised Barbossa and helped get Jack back because she needed them to be released from her bonds. Once she learned she was betrayed by Davy Jones, she created a maelstrom that only magical ships (the Pearl and the Dutchman) could stay afloat in, thus leveling the playing field, allowing the heroes to defeat Jones (without the Armada daring to get close enough to interfere). With two unsinkable ships against them (and no commander left alive), the British Armada fled. Simple. As for everyone who kept changing sides, guys, it's a PIRATES movie. A large part of the character and comedy comes from constant betrayals. And for those who worship Pirates 1, um, this constant betrayal kept happening in that movie as well. It was no different in parts 2 and 3. So, what's the problem? I think the real problem is that audiences today are so lazy and spoiled they expect to be spoon-fed everything, hit over the head with plot points and not have to think at all (look at the money Michael Bay's movies make, and they are total crap, and, might I add, have plots that make no sense -- so one9deuce, your theory of audience understanding a plot equaling quality is rather flawed).
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My credentials? How about I can see that PIRATES 2 and especially 3 are structural messes, and you don't seem to be able to. Was ANYone that reads AICN surprised to hear that the script for AT WORLDS END was only a little over half finished when they started filming? Of course not, it's very obvious. The Game Master, if you're a working screenwriter in Hollywood I wouldn't be surprised, they've been turning out shit for a long time. So go ahead, wow everyone with your credentials. Also, it wasn't really a challenge to you so much as I know you don't know what the story of TESB is based on your inaccurate analysis, feel free to prove me wrong though.
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Do you write for EW?
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they needed all the Pirates together at the meeting. Remember at the start of the movie where the young boy sings the song? That was a call to the Pirates to help them defeat the Navy.
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because Bay is a fucking sock puppet with human features.
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Gi watch Harry Potter again.
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I was born in 1970 and loved Star Wars, Empire and was disappointed by Return of the Jedi. I saw every prequel and liked some of the scenes. But... I think I like Pirate 1-3 more than the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Old age? I don't know, but if I was to watch only one trilogy for the rest of time... Hmmm... I would take Pirates 1-3 followed by Star Wars 4-6 and Jaws 1-3 after that... :)
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http://tinyurl.com/oboueg
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Well, one9deuce, I see you dodged simply backing up your words, so I'm done with you. But for the record, I'm *not* a Hollywood screenwriter. However, I do work in the business in another capacity. I also know that a script doesn't need to be finished for a movie to be good. If you knew anything about making movies, you'd know that. Some of the worst movies have scripts thought-through too much. Some of the best movies ever have scripts roughly assembled or changed at the last minute. The art of making movies is creative, chaotic and unpredictable. You sound like a sourgrapes wannabe screenwriter to me, someone who knows only what he reads online rather than from experience, getting in the trenches, and seeing how the moviemaking process actually works. And, just to point out some more of your flawed logic, Pirates 3 made almost a billion dollars in worldwide sales. So, are all those audience members stupid? Did they all miss the plot or boycot the movie? Nope. Rather, a lot of people understood the plot just fine. Sure, it had bumps. So do the greatest films. Example: Citizen Kane: How did anyone know Kane's last words when he spoke them alone? Or Jurassic Park: Where did the T-Rex PIT come from when it WALKED out moments earlier? See? Pirates 3 is no different. Go take a screenwriting class, or work on a movie for real, and learn what you're talking about before you go shooting off your mouth. Not everything on AICN is the be-all-end-all of information about moviemaking. Actually go learn something.
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I think that's what everybody's really saying. The first one was a romp. The 2nd and 3rd tried to take a more serious tack while also upping the ante on everything else: More Characters, more Effects, More Subplots, etc. etc. It let all the air out of the balloon. It was the difference between eating one chocolate covered strawberry and eating a whole box of them. Too much of a good thing. Movies that long seem formless and rambling no matter how tightly they're scripted.
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Oh and my hot girlfriend has far better taste in movies than yours- she happens to be very SMART too.
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--are in general-Right On The Fuckin' Money. Even if they done printed it themselves!
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So AT WORLDS END must make sense because it made a billion dollars. Got it. Your not a screenwriter but you ARE in the business, maybe a very low level suit. I see. So commerce over quality of material is your mantra, what in the hell are you even doing here? The problem with the film industry right now is there are too many people that think like you right now. God help us!
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Sep 12, 2009 10:41:49 PM CDT
I think he's in the business. He sweeps up the aisles
by lockesbrokenleg
after the movie is over.
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why did they not make money? Don't you want The Hurt Locker to make money? Why must one form of movie not make money over another one? Don't get it.
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So, now you're going back on what you said. Contradictions. Proof you only want to win an argument rather than make a point: Here's your quote: "And if most everyone thinks they're sloppy......... they are" Yet, enough people went back to see the movie again and again to give it a billion dollar box office. That's repeat business. Meaning, people liked it. People don't tend to like movies they can't understand. So, who is this "everyone" who "didn't understand it" may I ask? one9deuce (by the way, your superior writing skills need to learn to use a capital letter to begin a name), your words stand on their head, because your argument is based pretty much solely on how people didn't understand it, yet they did. Pirates 3 was an enjoyable movie for millions of people, who had no problem with it whatsoever, and no problem understanding it. Just because you can't follow a plot doesn't mean it's a bad one. Now, go ahead flap your lips some more with another contradiction or challenge you can't back up or cheap attempts at insults rather than having something relevant to say. I'm sure you will because you've got nothing better to do that troll around. I've found this entertaining but now you've become way too predictable. I'm done with this.
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Hmmm, for those who had trouble with the plots of Pirates 2 and 3, especially 3, I've a few suggestions for how to look at it: Think about all the classic poker scenes in movies. In those scenes, it's about emotions, eyes, mannerisms, not the rules of the card game. What's important in a movie is that you follow the tempers, anxieties and emotions of the characters. Or, look at a James Bond movie. I often get lost in those plots, but I know Bond is being clever, so I follow him through the caper. Pirates 3 is like that. You may not always be aware of what's going on or why, but it's not what's important. What the movie is about is following the antics of the pirates. So, if you're one of those who had trouble following it, watch it again, and *don't try* to follow it. Focus on the emotions of the characters. Trust that the mechanics of the world are indeed making sense. Trust me, they are. But to get the most for your movie money (or Netflix, or whatever), follow the drama, the comedy, the characters. That's why we go to the movies!
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Sep 12, 2009 11:43:34 PM CDT
I actually appreciated that they didn't beat you over the head
by d.vader
... With the plot and intentions I mean. Like the guy said, if you pay attention, it all makes sense.
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Which ruined the movie for me: one was where Beckett walked right into his death, repeating a stupid phrase somebody else said, and when Calypso turned into the Jolly Brown Giant. I knew then the film was epic fail. But at least it didn't kill the franchise. Hopefully the new one will be free of the taint of AWE.
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I thought Beckett's walk of death in the midst of chaos and destruction was a beautiful moment of film.
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How he was just standing there. Reminded me of those Star Trek episodes where the dude would just stand there when his ship exploded.
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No argument there. I just didn't quite buy his (to me) too-sudden capitulation to his fate. Just hit me wrong, for some reason.
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If you'd like to make a talkback, please log off and die again.
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Sep 13, 2009 6:21:19 AM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, again with the box office excuse to justify the
by asimovlives
You know how silly and idiot that argument is? 10 years from now, the box office will mant nothing, and only the quality remains. and then whay? You will evoke que box office that the mvoie made 10 years ago to justify it again? you know how silly that will be? Michael Bay is shit, no matter how much money his movies make. That's how it is. About time you learn the most basic and first lesson about movie geekdom.
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Ahhh, man, that bring good memoeies. One of the truly great comedy games. And it was a great adventure game too. Supposedly, there's a new Monkey Island game coming out. The character's designs are even more cartoonish then before. Let's see if they retained the same spirit of the old games. Man, those old games were great!
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distract from the glaring lack of actual piratical behavior, such as attacking ships, killing the crew, and stealing their loot.
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Have a severe fucking word with yourself, then go outside and have another word.... Funny.
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A guy said Pirates over Star Wars? I'll hold him down, you punch the hell out of him.
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Or, if you do have to make them, make them better. Because the last two really stank. I don't care HOW much money they made. Anyone with a bit of discernment, anyone whose brain hasn't been fucked by years of watching Hollywood dross - they KNOW that those films stank to hell.
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according to:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showpost.php?p=2671844&postcount=4 -
It's the standard on this site when you try to say you like movies like Pirates. Try something new sister.
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Your main hero dies in the movie. He is presumed dead for the first part of it. Davy Jones is a tortured Pirate. Your other two main characters are put in jail in the first ten minutes!
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I can see that. It didn't bother me. Maybe bc I like the way it was filmed way too much.
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