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I am – Hercules!! Dragon Con is transpiring, and LucasFilm exec Steve Sansweet had vague things to say about about the timing of the looooooooong-in-development live-action “Star Wars” hourlong headed to TV. What I inferred: * “Writers” have been working on the project. (But which writers? Refugees from the “Theshold” or “Life On Mars” writers room? Anybody know anything?) * Preproduction would begin in 2009. * Production would begin in 2010. * The series will likely begin airing in 2012. (Earlier estimates put it in 2011.) We still know little about the series beyond the fact that it’s set between the death of Padme and Emperor Palpatine’s dissolution of the Imperial Senate. Will the series follow a rogue clone who questions the morality of slaying his Jedi masters? Or would a typical story deal with that time Young Han lost his favorite spaceball? “Star Wars” TV show : “A New Hope” :: “Young Indiana Jones Adventures” : “Raiders of the Lost Ark”? Would that be worth the wait for you, constant reader? Someone at the con asked about the kid from “Attack of the Clones” reprising his Boba Fett role for the series, and Sansweet did not dismiss the idea out of hand. Find all of’s story on the matter here.
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  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Blimey. First on a Star Wars Talkback?

    by Specktron

    Eat that, Wampa lovers!

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST


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    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    No. Ninth?

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    "airing in 2012" Heralding the end of the world...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...of course.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Please don't turn Star Wars into Star Trek.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Ah. Time to don my Chewie jammies and retire in peace

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Hey, if it was done right, it'd be awesome...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...but of course it won't.<p> The right way, use Dark Horse's Dark Times comics as the show's basis.<p> Those comics are frakkin' awesome.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    This idea sucks by the way.

    by Specktron

    Be good to have it on TV, but what happens if they give Boba Fett "issues"? They should call it Tatooine Heights.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I Know It's A Long Shot, But...

    by Crow3711

    How fucking sick would it be if they actually nailed it? If they actually gave us something good to be excited about for Star Wars again, I can't even imagine. I would love to be able to get as excited each week for an episode of Star Wars as I was for Battlestar Galactica each week. I desperately hope they take this seriously and actually strive to create something worthwhile, not just another cash in on the name. Bring back a shred of decency to the name.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Just make more movies

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    Put resources into movies rather than TV. Star Wars is a fantastic movie-going experience. Part of the fun of the movies was going to a theater.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    But when do we get Episodes 7-9?!


    Mark Hammil is getting a little old to be doing any more sword-fighting. George had better get moving.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Lucas is insane.

    by Violator90

    This thing has been in development for years. There is no way anything good will come out of this. I lost faith after the horrendous prequels. So I don't care any more. But you know it will be as shitty as the prequels.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    WHO fucking CARES?!

    by A G


  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Luke Skywalker cared!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And hey, at least it isn't another Mad Men kiss ass article.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Was going to set my Tivo...

    by PessimusGrime

    ... to record the premiere, but fuck it, by then we'll have shows in holographic form downloaded directly into our brains via green-glowing mind control blenders invented by Jim Carrey. Besides... it'll suck anyway.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Mad men...

    by PessimusGrime

    ... I dunno, if I want to watch a show about the ad biz in the 60's, I'll just pop in a Bewitched DVD.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Deadwood in Space

    by enderandrew

    Lucas changed his mind every two seconds, but what he has said previously is that he has an HBO deal, bounty hunters will play a big part, it will be very mature, dark and akin to Deadwood in space. Seriously. Just Google up all the previous articles on it.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    It's going to be, like "Star Wars: Bounty Hunters" the TV series

    by Tall_Boy66

    which could be cool. But, I personally always thought they shoulda done some group Jedi on the run from Vader and follow them through to getting the plans for the Death Star. And at the end they all die by Vader's hand (or they get picked off by Darth Vader throughout the course of the series). But I'll check it out anyway for sure.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    So lets see....Movies are going to TV Land and

    by SisterSpooky

    all (or most) TV series wants to leap to the big screens!! E.g. Sex and the city, CSI, 24, etc. (when the latter two gets made). I can see the Big screens and silver screens are merging together.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Too much Fett might ruin the character.

    by Onin Solstice

    If Fett gets too much screen time it might take away the mystique. Fanboys want more Boba, but they don't want too much Boba. Aside from that, this might work. As long as Lucas stays away from the writing, this has potential.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Lucas has top men working on it right now

    by Campion

    Top..Men.. trust me.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Penny Arcade

    by enderandrew

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Re: The Horse Is Officially Dead

    by ArmageddonProductions

    STAR WARS was one of the first instances of a movie driving tie-in marketing ... too bad this and "The Clone Wars" exist ONLY because of the tie-in possibilities. George, I think you finally have enough to make that dollar bill mountain you always dreamt about. You can fucking stop now, please.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    If the current "Clone Wars" animated series is any indication...

    by BrashHulk

    then the live-action series will be dumbed-down, cutesy fare geared for kids... just like the bulk of episodes I-III. Lucas actually seemed irritated that he had to place any actual STORY in the prequel movies rather than just watch kids playing cowboy and goofy aliens being...well, goofy. The canonical plotlines that set up episodes IV-VI were basically just thrown in because Lucas HAD to, and were treated with a palpable disdain. I expect any further live-action Star Wars universe projects that cater to the history of the epic to be treated with the same laissez-faire attitude.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Lucas beating a horse to death with these Clones.

    by riskebiz

    Tired, tired, tired of these tales that happen in and around the Clone Wars. Deadly dull at this point. I'd much rather they get Mark Hamill to grow a goatee and play old Luke in stories that happened after Return of the Jedi.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Where in the hell are they gonna air it?

    by Tall_Boy66

    It's going to be independently produced by Lucasfilm, but they stuck Clone Wars on Cartoon Network (with reruns on TV). I highly doubt this'll be on Cartoon Network. And I doubt they'd put it on Spike TV (a channel that frequently shows all the Star Wars movies) My guess is Fox because of the pre-existing relationship with the movie franchise. Which may be... bad.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    reruns on TNT I mean

    by Tall_Boy66

    Obviously it's on teevee. Unless you watch it on your computer, that is.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Only way a Star Wars series will work.

    by drewlicious

    Lucas has to keep his hands off and just let some talented people have at it. Otherwise he'll just the crush the life out of what was once a promising idea like he's Lenny from "Of Mice and Men."

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    so this is set AFTER episode III?

    by punto

    too bad, because I was dying to know what else happened between eps 2 and 3. Really, I can't get enough of that shit, I need every second accounted for, including everything involving Jar Jar and his flamboyant uncle.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    expectations low, but hopeful

    by la_sith

    The moment Lucas says something along the lines of, "put a Hutt in it, but make it talk like Truman Capote," it is all over.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    : :: : wow, I'm having flashbacks to my school days

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Sodomy_Joe_Shitpants

    I fear you may be exactly right. We haven't much time, people. Storm The Ranch before it's too late.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Adventures of Leia as a Jedi

    by Player 1

    I would like to see what happens to Leia after the Return of the Jedi - but I think all the hack writers who have written 'novels' about the continuation of the saga may have ruined that. I t would be great to see Leia as a Jedi... without the burden of a 'prequel' etc...

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I don't

    by secretcylon

    usually complain like this, but there is NOTHING new in this post. Also, BrashHulk, Lucas has "promised" that the live action will be far more adult oriented than the clone wars. Something suitable for HBO or Showtime. I think he described it as "Deadwood in space."

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    New Star Wars TV Series

    by InActionMan

    Takes place in the Imperial Senate Between "Revenge of the Sith" and "A New Hope" and stars Jar Jar Binks. Each episode consists of long drawn out debates on tarrifs, trade routes, banking regulation and other governmental minutia. Think Star Wars:C-Span. <P> Think I'm kidding. Remember "The Indiana Jones Chronicles." I rest my case.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    If its Deadwood In Space

    by InActionMan

    can we have Al Swearengen. He could call people "Nerf Herding Cocksuckers."

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Hey Onin!

    by boogy110

    Fetts character has already been ruined with the lousy prequals. They turned him into a whining little bitch! Lucas let it the fuck go already!

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Actually, Hamill's Joker is absolutely fantastic

    by Tall_Boy66

    Check out every single review of either "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" or "Batman: Arkham Asylum". Every single one singles out his performance as being one of the best things about it.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    who the fuck cares!!!

    by vorlonkosh

    Another shitty Star Wars product.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    My only question about this series:

    by KDog629

    How effing long does it take to see an idea through from concept to series? I mean, how long when you have a billion dollars? Cause we've been hearing about this since well before High School Musical debuted, and Glee will have come and gone by the time this ever gets on the air. "Writers are working on the project"?? That's never stopped George

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    What they SHOULD do

    by Dotren

    Knights of the Old Republic. Cash in on the upcoming game AND have a chance to actually break out of the Episodes I-VI timeline.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    why the fucking delay?

    by j2talk shouldnt be THAT hard to move forward...I thought they were ALREADY done with the preproduction ?

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Premires in 2012? Lucas talked about this since 2004!

    by BigNig

    Did you know at last summers Comic Con for the "Star Wars Spectactular" LucasFilm had a live "table read" of a fuckin Clone Wars script. Oh it gets worse there was also a "comedy skit" performed by G4 Attack Of The Show's Whiteboy and Obnoxious-Girl (yeah that gimmick sure worked out well for Jenny McCarthy). BTW there is nothing new or "official" in the examiner link. The show has been officially confirmed since it was first revealed during the Original Trilogy DVD release back in 2004. Yeah it took Lucas forever to get those out on DVD as well. The writers have been working on the scripts for years. Pre-production has been going on for years. The series not feature Vader, nor Skywalkers, nor Jedi but Bounty Hunters and other background characters. Lucas will die of his Type-2 Diabetes before this goes on air.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    So whatever happened to all those experimental

    by Volstaff

    movies George was talking about making once he was done with Star Wars?I don't get it, the guy has more money than Jesus so why keep milking this poor tired cow?

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is Deader than Ted Kennedy

    by SmokingRobot

    And even the hardest fan-boy knows it.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I remember when I loved Star Wars

    by beane2099

    That was a long time ago. It really doesn't matter whether I think this is a bad or good idea. I just don't care. I liken what Lucas has done to SW to that Chapelle sketch where he plays Rick James and he's getting beaten by the Murphy bros for muddying the couch. He gets beat so hard, that at one point he can't even speak anymore (a hilarious bit btw). That's pretty much where the SW franchise is at this point. Isn't he also getting ready to re-release I-VI in 3-D too? I remember being excited when the special editions came out back in the 90's. If I only knew.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    The only way for Lucas to get me to care about Star Wars again..

    by Margot Tenenbaum a Mark Hamill/Luke Skywalker-based sequel trilogy. That's it. Everything else can be left to comic books, novels and video games.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Do we know for a fact it's not about the rebel alliance?

    by glue

    And doesn't star Jimmy Smits?

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    i like the feel on some of the Droids eps


    when the people are in some shanty town on some desolate planet cowering when a storm trooper walks past. other than that don't forget to add the proper amounts of sci fi and ill excidedly watch it evey week with skittles and weed.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Star Wars = Who gives a F*CK?

    by GulDucati

    What if someone wrote a sequel to the Holy Bible and it was so shit that it actually caused all the faithful to convert to other religions or kill themselves? That's the current state of Star Wars.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    People would lose their shit the minute Luke Skywalker showed up

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Luke Skywalker is the least exploited character in the entire Star Wars saga.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST a trailer.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Is how that subject line should have ended.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    But if the kid from AoTC played Boba

    by megatom5

    they'd have to get the guy who did Jango to redub his voice...again. You know because continuity matters in the ever changing ever retconned world of SW

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    multiple shows?

    by darthwaz1

    make it like CSI- multiple shows! one can span eps 3-4, the other can take place post 6- with Hamil playing an older Luke, re-starting the jedi council. I think that can be amazing! I know Harrison wouldn't come back for it, so that would be a problem. And Carrie Fisher probably isn't in "Jedi shape" at this point either...but the idea of Luke and Leia sitting in the jedi council is really cool!

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    So, AICN still won't bother sending anybody to D*Con themselves,

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    I guess you guys can't handle the humidity or something... <p> Too bad, really. The Venture Bros. panel had 15 minutes of footage from the new season--good stuff.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    So Fareal, voice acting is not real acting?

    by Tall_Boy66

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Guess all those people who get paid should give their money back

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Yeah, we were gonna pay you, but you're just a voice actor and not a real actor. Sorry about that, Dan Castellena. Being the voice of Homer just isn't 'acting' to us. Same with you, Mel Blanc. I know you're the person who did the voice of Buggs Bunny and all, but we can't pay you for it. It's not real work. Also, you're dead." Yeah, sure, whatever. Jackass.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Solo Missions

    by Timstuff

    Me and my brothers were writing a treatment and pilot episode for a Han Solo TV show a while back. It took place about 10 years before A New Hope: Han Solo starts out as a hot shot Tie Fighter pilot, but then after showing an inability to follow orders, he is transfered to shuttling Imperial "workers" (actually slaves) around the galaxy. While transferring Wookiees to Kessel, he saves Chewbacca from an abusive Imperial Officer, and the rest as they say, is history.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by 10thDoctor

    a recent interview also stated that Obi-wan WOULD be part of the series. no mention of large a role he'd's hoping E.McGregor plays the character again, as I think most would agree he was the best part of the new films.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by 10thDoctor

    that should be "how large a role he'd play"...sorry

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I really only want more Star Wars

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If George Lucas is not invovled at all, so think I have to wait till he is dead.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    The Inevitable and Unending Conversation That Will Precede This

    by Crow3711

    "But what if IT IS good, man?" <p> "....but it won't be." <p> "But what if IT IS!" <p> " won't be." <p> "But what if IT IS! It could be..!" <p> "It won't be."

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    A 'Star Wars' tv show...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Yay. I guess? Idk...I'll sleep on it. Then I'll wake up and take a shit. Then MAYBE, just MAYBE, I'll have an answer. If not, you can sleep on it. Sound good?

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Could they even afford this show?...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    without it looking like cheap shit? I wonder.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    If they even bother with it: No Sesame Street feel ala 'Episode 1.'

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by TheMarineBiologist

    I completely forgot this was going to happen... Please God, make sure I am hit by a bus before 2012.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Anyone who hates on The Clone Wars...

    by JackLucas

    Obviously hasn't been watching consistently. That show has surprised the ever loving SHIT out of me. I was all set and ready to hate the fuck out of it and with the exception of a few episodes here and there, it has shut me straight the fuck up. Yes, it is a show geared towards kids. But it is violent and story driven in ways that would surprise most if they gave it a chance.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    .I'd rather have a series set in a more interesting time period.

    by JKrow21

    Or have Episode 7-9

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST


    by FrodoFraggins

    As others have said, the time period of this series is a snooze. Not sure why Lucas is so hung up on it.<br><br> I'm going to assume that no writers I know are working on it, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. The only TV show to get even close to the original trilogy is early Farscape.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST


    by DangerDave

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    "Constant Reader?" Is this a Stephen King talkback?

    by Outside

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Just put the cow to pasture.

  • Sept. 8, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Bart Simpson wonders:

    by awardgiver

    Will there be any jive talking robots in this? It worked for Bay...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Episode 7-9

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If GL said they would be made but animated, would you still want them made ?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    2012? Good grief.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I remember when they said "2008" and that felt like forever. ROTS came out 4 years ago. It will be 7 by the time it actually airs. That's just way too long. I mean I am going to watch it but you know, I kind of wanted to see this IMMEDIATELY after Episode 3. Reverting back to the clone wars was a big mistake.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Steve Sansweet should work for the Iranian government

    by YackBacker

    Everything that guy says is hollow bullshit.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    "Why don't people want to have AIDS?"

    by Lashlarue

    Jared continues beating the dead horse.<p> "Why don't they want to have aides?"

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Steve Sansweet. What the hell does he do?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Apparently he "works" for Lucasfilm, but doing what? He shows up at cons with the same speech he's used for fucking decades. Oh, and he wrote some collectibles books that cost you 80 bucks a pop.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by wonderllama

    Don't be dissin' Mr Sansweet...he's the best thing you bastards have got at Lucasfilm....ffs Without him you'd be pants down, pernorkle out reading Supershadow for your goss! Haters!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I'd rather have Old Republic stuff...

    by foxthebloodied

    but for some reason Lucas refuses to leave the period between the six films. The one thing that would interest me in this series is if they use at least part of the storyline from Force Unleashed and look at Marek helping form the Rebel Alliance. However, since that would be cool, Lucas will just change it so ewoks do it instead...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    shran says

    by shran

    do the series post ROTJ. Or do it not. Nobody gives a silver shite about clone wars googely moogly. And bring back Hamill and Fisher. And someone that can do a good job as Han. How about that Ford dude? He busy with Indiana Jones and the Battle to Save Starfleet? Throw in some decent young 'uns to be Jedi in training to appeal to the "trendy".

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Young indy adventures jumped around

    by LeeMajors

    between 3 different time periods. Could George do this again? Then we could find out about Aunt Beru's parents in one episode and Schmee's parents in the next one! Actually, I guarantee George will do this.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    The writers

    by Ellms

    The writers of Love My Way were in talks with LucasArts i believe.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Sad to see Lucasfilm be so pathetic.

    by Toilet_Terror

    Star Wars is dead. Dead, dead, dead. Yet they're still nailin' that corpse for all it's worth.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Lightsabers belong on the BIG SCREEN.

    by rock_n_roll_jesus

    Did the prequels bomb? I know a lot of fanboys hated them but... They made money right? WTF?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    It's quite ironic that

    by kwisatzhaderach

    the only Star Wars thing we want to see from Lucas (Episodes VII, VIII and IX) is the one we'll never get. <p> And if he starts complaining that he has no story and will never make them and the Star Wars saga is the story of Anakin blah blah blah, then he should never have mouthed off about Episodes VII - IX in the first place.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Every Star Wars TV show has been crap

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The holiday special, Droids, Ewoks, Clone Wars...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Fareal - you're talking shit

    by Righteous Brother

    Mark Hamil doesn't need any handouts from George Lucas - he's got a highly successful and lucrative career from his voice acting work. And if Lucas was such an uncaring asshole - why did he give Mark Hamils son a bit part in Phantom Menace, or why did he re-employ Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca when he could have got any tall actor, or why invite Kenny Baker back to play R2, when they didn't really need him? People like you are so stupid, you just spout shit constantly. Without any clue as to what you're talking about.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    This Could Be So FUCKING good.

    by Cartman86

    Holly shit the talent out their in TV land that could work on this show. I honestly think even a half-hearted attempt my someone other than Lucas would satisfy me. As long as the show is being worked on someone who wants to see classic Star Wars I will be happy. The budget on this thing is going to be huge and that alone will be entertaining. Imagine a Joss Whedon, Damen Lindelof etc working on this thing. I can wish.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    As usual Lucas is doing everything ad hoc and last minute.

    by wowsah156

    Seriously folks why bother? We all know it will be the usual rubbish we have come to kbnow and expect from the Lucas. Cant be bothered with Lucas anymore. Nothing to see here!! Move along now!!

  • I never did understand why fanboys love that character. He's got practically no screen time in Empire and he dies like a useless bitch in Jedi. <p> And yet for some reason, fanboys tend to lose their fucking minds about him. Why? Did he have a cool toy in the 80's?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    ...will probably be a step up from the shit that eventually airs. <br> <br> I gotta say, the best way to revive STAR WARS would be to hire the creative team from KOTOR to script a show or a film based on that setting. That was the most STAR WARSy material since the original trilogy.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4 a.m. CST


    by Toonol

    "What if someone wrote a sequel to the Holy Bible and it was so shit that it actually caused all the faithful to convert to other religions or kill themselves?"<p> I think you're talking about Mormonism.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    “Young Indiana Jones Adventures”

    by DC Films

    Were very dull.<p>Surely Stars Wars can't be that dull.... Could it?<p>Oh, wait, it can!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Star Wars without John WIlliams?

    by Mr Gorilla

    i think John Williams is about 50% of the STAR WARS experience for me. Those amazing tunes, the incredible harmonies, they nailed the feel that you were entering different worlds. But what are they going to do on a TV show?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Give us what we want

    by folanjo

    Which is post Return of the Jedi Star Wars. This is what everyone wants apart from Lucas and Harrison Ford. Give us back our Star Wars.....please.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Once again Fareal jumps onto a talkback...

    by rock_n_roll_jesus

    ... and talks complete bullshit. Just ignore him.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST

    It's about Boba Fett.

    by Playkins

    If you think it will be anything else, you're crazy.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford will never reprise Han Solo...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Praise Allah.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Him saying he was was an internet April Fool's joke a few years

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Only 3 Things Would Make Me Care

    by optimous_douche

    About Star Wars again...ready...<p> Episodes VII, VIII, IX

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    As long as it's less cartoony than thew new films, it could be g

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Do we still care? Are we caring about Star Wars?

    by twogunjames

    Really, if you want to watch a good Science Fiction series, pick up the DVd set of Firefly, and the special edition of Serenity and there you go. They won't be able to create a show that's better than that.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    oh good grief

    by Lost Jarv

    what is the hard on with that fucking period? <P>Set it in the knights of the old republic phase or after ROTJ. <P>This stinks of lessons not learnt.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Finally a reason to watch TV again

    by Colonel Creedon

    Can't wait for this! Lucas is God. This can't fail or can't be cancelled like all the other good shows, TTSCC, The Unit, Kings.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Yes! Mr. Lucas...

    by Dead_Geek

    ... could you pinch out another turd into my mouth? PLLLLEEEEZZE!Mmmmm!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:06 a.m. CST

    I think alot of you are forgetting something:

    by Playkins

    SFX are good enough and easy enough to give us something that looks akin to the original movies on a TV budget. Also, It's likely that Lucas himself will not direct or write. Could be the recipe for what we were wanted for the prequels. I'm on board.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Everything pre-Episode IV is null and void. Move on.

    by Damien Chowder

    Fucking move on! Lucas you have fucked up your own baby's origins. This makes everything pre episode IV null and void. Lets carry on from where VI left off. It's like I wanna know what I'm gonna for dinner later later on and not be told what I had earlier because I just fucking ate it!!!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    no episodes 7, 8, 9

    by JettL93

    fuck episodes 7-9, all of the actors are way too old and ford won't come back even if you offered him 50 million bucks and you know Lucas will add jar jar's son and there will be pod racing for some reason, I say lucas needs to hand off director's duties to an up and comer (wasn't that what he intended to do when he founded lucasfilm - find young talent)and they need to make a new trilogy set 1000 years before a new hope based on the sith wars. fuck, you could even spin in a plotline about a jedi knight discovering Yoda and having everyone think yoda is the chosen one (as i'm sure he was at the time). There would be no need for retcons, simply limit the talk of midiclorians (or play dumb claiming at this point in history the jedi didn't know about them).<P>and with a trilogy so far in the past there would be no way you could randomly add characters just to please the fans, unless it was past generations like Grando Calrision (hahahaha, remember that internet rumour)

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    KOTOR series

    by spud mcspud

    Give me a live-action Exar Kun and I'm there with bells on, baby.<P> Personally, I'd love to see the STAR WARS: LEGACY graphic novels serialised. Too nasty for the 8-year old demographic Uncle George is going for, though - and isn't Darth Krayt too scary for the kiddies??

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    And no, they'll never better FIREFLY...

    by spud mcspud

    ...Or even equal it. That series could have run for twenty series and I'd have brought every single season. Fucking pure mainlined SF entertainment. THAT is how all SF series should be done from now on - funny, moving, grown-up. FIREFLY and SERENITY were everything George SHOULD have done to the prequels - and didn't.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    And the Operative could take Boba Fett

    by spud mcspud

    Without breaking a sweat. Chiwetel Ejiofor is the MAN!!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Which SW icon is a whiny bitch in the series?

    by spud mcspud

    Do we get five seasons of Boba crying over the death of BARB WIRE's Temmy Morrison, or will it be young Han Solo crying 'cos his parents won't get him a pet Gundark (it keeps on chewing on the power couplings)? Maybe we get to see Leia cry me a river over not knowing her real parents.<P> Oh, and a tip for George: RESEARCH YOUR OWN FUCKING MYTHOLOGY BEFORE YOU OUTLINE THIS SERIES!! Had you done this for the Prequels, maybe you'd have cast an American for Jango Fett that sounded like Jeremy Bulloch, and we could have a tough Boba Fett instead of the fucking Antipodean sounding wuss we get now in the OT SEs.<P> What a fucking wash-out. Let me write this bitch - we'd have Aunt Beru's downhome country peach-pie up on screen in no time. And Gungan-on-Human Female action. Don't tell me you chicks haven't wondered, ever since that scene with the tongue in PHANTOM MENACE...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    what about a shadows of the empire movie

    by JettL93

    not a trilogy, just a one shot, based more on the video game then the comic (only so to limit the appearance of OT actors that have aged), cast a rugid actor as dash rendar, you could include boba fett, and even have a cameo by mark hamill (who would be de-aged by CGI to look like he did in empire) <P>Lucas's problem with the Prequels was that he had so little sotry to strech over 6 hours, but a SotE movie would be one movie and theres already tons of story to tell

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars cartoon

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Surprised the shit out of me too. Most of the time it's really good. Yeah it's "for kids" as opposed to the Bergman-esque OT. But I have a low threshold for kiddie fare, and this show is far from pushing up against it. I only wish my cable company or Cartoon Network or whoever is responsible would consistently format it correctly for HD. <p>I'm interested in this live-action series, but I doubt it'll be good. It could be though and I like the fact that Lucas, with these TV series, is actually going back to the original serial-derived idea behind Star Wars. That's just kind of fun and interesting from a historical perspective.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Could be good if they just concentrate their focus. I'd like to see something that follows a few heroes around. Back to basics.<p> All that 'big picture' stuff killed the prequels. It was so unfocused. You had all these factions; the senate, the jedi council, the trade federation, the seperatists, the clones, the sith, that the movies entirely lost their saturday morning serial 'goodies vs baddies' roots.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    well, one good thing...

    by JettL93

    is that whether its sucedds or fails, Lucas has so much money and industy pull that it will probabaly run for however long he wants it to other words the newtork will have no control over the series whatsoever

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Sansweet's an idiot, a lucky idiot, but an idiot nonetheless

    by gruntybear

    If you learn that a Star Wars panel is being hosted by Sansweet, run, don't walk to the exit. He'll read whatever marketing blurb LucasArts puts before him, waggle his fingers as if he knows something more than you, play a videogame trailer and then obsequiously THANK. ALL. THE. FANS. without whom Luc@$$' fourth chin would not be possible. Fact facts fanboys, the last time "Star Wars" was "cool" was on May 18, 1999. After Jar-Jar, it's been one awful, awful downward decline. I can't even stomach looking at the current SW merchandise. It *still* leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Re: Harrison Ford & 7, 8 and 9

    by YackBacker

    Oh, he'd come back. That little divorce cost him a large chunk o' change. Why do you think Indy IV suddenly happened after so many years of bullshit back and forth rumors? Ford finally caved. He'd do STAR WARS again in a heartbeat.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Yeah, bringing back old man Harrison and an overweight Carrie Fisher in her gold bikini is just what the saga needs.<p> Still be better than the fucking cg gungans and battle droids of course...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Yes the originals are old

    by optimous_douche

    But aren't they supposed to be?<p> Fisher, Hammil and Ford would all play Alec Guiness roles guiding the offspring.<p> Carrie Fisher shouldn't get in the slave girl costume again, but I don't think they are too old to offer advice.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Lucas wouldn't want Ford back is a better way to put it

    by JettL93

    yes perhaps Ford would agree to come back for a large paycheck, but Lucas is a control freak and a notroious cheapskate<P>1) Lucas would not agree to pay a large salary to Ford, yes he did it for indy 4, but ford was the star of that franchise, Star wars can survive without han solo and Lucas knows that<P>2)even if ford agreed to come back for a smaller Fee Lucas most likly wouldn't put up with Ford's bitchiness, Ford would want script abroval and sory input...and once again Lucas put up with it on indy 4 because Ford was the star, but a star wars movie without han solo is probabaly easier on Lucas<P>i often get the feeling that Lucas and speilberg kinda hate harrison ford, i mean ford probabaly cost them a few hundred million each based on him dragging his ass about making more indy films

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is dead

    by savagedave

    Time to move on.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Harrison and co are a moot point anyway - this story specifically states that the TV series will be set between the PT and OT.<p> The makers just need to find four or five charismatic young up and comers (a couple of Americans, a couple of Brits, maybe an oriental guy) and have them doing missions and adventuring on behalf of the fledgling Rebel Alliance. Stick in Jimmy Smits or some 'respected' older actor as the guy back at HQ and you've got a show.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is dead. Met under 21s that don't about it.

    by Damien Chowder

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Meant to say *that they don't know about it"

    by Damien Chowder

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I've met under 21's that haven't even seen Jaws!!

    by Gabba-UK

    Let alone Star Wars. Now that's scary!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck what under-21s think?

    by YackBacker

    The job of over-21s is telling under-21s what to like. And trust me, as someone who's worked in marketing, it's not that hard to control the minds of today's youth.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Remind me just before it comes on

    by Philvis

    Shoot us a reminder a month or two before it comes on. The speculation still has a couple years on it probably before anything materializes.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    We can dream

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Just like we dreamed pre Phantom Menace, and like most things in life we never learn our lesson. <p> Am still convinced the only way forward for future great stories from this amazing Universe to come to the big/small screen, GL has to let go, and let someone else take the reins, which whilst he is alive is never going to happen. <p> I think we have a better chance of a CG Star Wars remake, than what we really want, eps 7-9. <p>

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Lucas could shit in a star wars bucket

    by savagedave

    And people would pay for it, sadly.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Eps 7-9 ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Really not an intriguing prospect for me. Whatever its origins, the movie "saga" is over. You'd essentially be starting a whole different story with Episode 7 and I really don't see the point of that.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    An oriental guy in star wars?... hahaha, yeah right

    by JettL93

    really, in all 6 movies we never saw one asian in the star wars world, why would Lucas add a random asian into the mix now<P>i can't really blame the guy though, if i was creating a new universe i'd probabaly exclude Asians too

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    You don't need Ford & Fisher

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Han and Leia don't really have much more of a story, but Luke Skywalker does. Many movies have done war, apocalypse and destruction but not a lot have done restoration & creation of a society. That might push SW more into the realm of science fiction than fantasy though. <p>But someone should sell the concept to Lucas as 'Joseph Campbell in action' -- the transition of Luke Skywalker from man to the founding myth of the New Republic or whatever social structure happens post-ROTJ.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    There was an asian in JEDI I think

    by YackBacker

    He was a rebel pilot and he got blow'd up.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    "we never saw one asian in the star wars world"

    by Droid

    I beg to differ... <p>

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by yodaismyhomie

    I was a hardcore Star Wars fan. Born in 77, raised on the originals. Went to midnight premieres for special editions and prequels (dressed up for eps I and II). After III came out, I was kind of burned out. Then there was the dreadful Clone Wars movie and series. I've completely lost interest in Star Wars. Until they do something to drum up excitement for this, I'm done

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    haha, Nien Numb was totally an asian

    by JettL93

    i can't argue with that

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Will go the same way young indy ended up.

    by johnnyg korrupt

    First few eps will draw big ratings until everyone discovers it's not about the shit they wanna see. We all wanna see Vader, hunting down the remaining jedi, etc If your not gonna show that then just create a new sci fi show from scratch. Big mistake Lucas is making

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    You people who rag on Jar-Jar...

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    fail to acknowledge that he's just C3PO in a leather vest. They are both nothing more than comic relief for the kiddies. C3PO's whole comic turn during the arena battle in EP II would've been done by Jar-Jar if not for the fan protests against him. He's a mincing, whiny annoyance throughout the entire series.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    There is no story after EP VI

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    The Empire has been defeated. Creating any threats after that and Vader would be weak. Face it, the only story left to tell is the rise of Vader, the expansion of the Empire and the birth of the rebellion.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    About the writers....

    by Gungan Slayer

    Two or three were briefly mentioned about a year or two ago in some article or at some convention somewhere. Their names escape my mind, but they were Aussies I believe, and they had only worked on a few (although apparently 'good') Aussie TV Shows. And Daniel Logan has been rumored to play Boba Fett for years now.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    If Galactica could work again on TV...

    by Engelhast

    So can this as long as it is not totally dumbed down and the drama is played up. I think the gap between the prequel trilogy and the OG trilogy is primed for more development. I honestly am sick of seeing lightsabers and Jedi though. Give me the birth of the Rebel Alliance, and what life is like for the average citizen of the Star Wars galaxy under the rule of the tyrannical empire. I also don’t want to see any characters that are related in any way to already established and well known characters. I want everything to be new and an expansion of the Star Wars galaxy and not something that again serves to only shrink it. That is my wish list anyway, I'll watch this thing no mater what though because I am a total Star Wars geek.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    twogunjames you bitch...

    by Mr Gorilla

    You're goddamn right, so you are... Firefly and Serenity, Lucas will NEVER make a TV show better than that... But I hate you because I desperately want this Star Wars TV show to be good, and you have burst my bubble... God I wanted to see a sequel to Serenity. Well, two sequels. how much do those suckers cost? maybe we could start raising a fund?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    There is a way to make this work....

    by gringito

    Go back, way back, to the old republic and create NEW characters and NEW situations and NEW plotlines and NEW everything and NO clones and NO whiney pre-Vader Anakin and NO Wookie Christmas BBQ and NO Jar Jar and NO Fett.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Here's an idea... THINK UP SOMETHING NEW!

    by gringito

    See comments above

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars is actually pretty awesome

    by D.Vader

    Sure it has a few childish moments- it IS on Cartoon Network after all- but all around its a pretty great show and it isn't afraid to show death at all.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    3-PO vs. Jar Jar: Effete uptight butler stereotype=funny

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Unintelligible quasi-racist space-Jamacian CG fish man=not funny.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar...

    by Engelhast

    ..would have been 100 times more tolerable if he spoke a subtitled alien language or like Chewie you just got the meaning of his point from the tone of his gibberish. Can you imagine how much more lame and annoying Chewie would have been if he spoke English? Same goes for those Jew Chinamen Trade Federation guys. They should have been subtitled.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Yo Lucas, enough with this Clone Wars bullshit

    by AlienDragQueen

    If I see another Star Wars series or video game set in between episodes II & III, I will hunt you down. Give us some in between III & IV glory, some Old Republic, or dare I say it, some new storylines post episode VI.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    shran says

    by shran

    OK, fine. Ditch the bitch and Indian Bones. But gives us Luke and some Obi Wan wisdom. Screw those clones man. They bore the piss outta me. And burn up any and all chrome plated space-ships. Those suck. I want an X-wing goddammit. I don't want no ships that need some ring to get from place to place. I don't want no ship that looks like no '56 Caddy. And I don't want no Wookiees with no fuckin' dreadlocks. You can keep the planet with the glass flowers. That was pretty cool.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Jew Chinamen?

    by D.Vader

    That's just racist yo.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Engelhast

    am I wrong?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars

    by 10thDoctor

    fickle people....before the 2 Clone Wars series', that's all people wanted to know about. now, that they have an idea of what they were, people are bitching. that show really hit it's stride towards the end of season 1 and hooked me. here's the thing : IT'S A FAMILY ORIENTED CARTOON ! there's plenty of cool shit in there for the old school fans. and shut up about Firefly. it's mediocre, at best! it needed better actors. N.Fillion being the exception. the Serenity film was pretty cool, though. anyway, that show was intended to be "sci-fi". Star Wars is a fantasy....apples & oranges.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Star Wars : The Search For More Cash

    by IAmLegolas

    What ever happened to those "small, experimental films", George? What a shambling corpse this franchise turned out to be.... and how prophetic Mel Brooks was.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    I want this to be good, but I know in my heart I will only be disappointed.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    If Mel Brooks had a property...

    by Engelhast

    that was popular enough to merchandise the bejesus out of make no mistakes we would be neck deep in the shit.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    I think on the Jew part. I have never noticed anything remotely Hebrewish about those Nemoidians.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    Where the hell is my Peter Jackson

    by Lamerz

    ... helmed Episodes 7, 8, & 9?? Or Spielberg, or Del Toro, or any other badass director. I'm not picky. As long as it's not Lucas. And I liked Ep 3, but let someone else take the fuck over.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    JJ! He did it for Star Trek...

    by Lamerz

    ... let him do Episodes 7-9.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    why not just reboot the franchise

    by JettL93

    seiously, reboots are all the rage now, cast and actor from Heroes in a main role and throw in lots of'll make a billion dollars in no time

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay for director of Ep 7-9!!! Fuck yeah!

    by Lamerz

    Ok, just friggin kidding on that one... <P>Seriously though, he could put together one hell of a large scale Clone War scene, though, don't ya think??? Imagine if Lucas had called Bay in for the last 35 minutes or so of AOTC. <P>HOLY CRAP.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson can keep his hands off Star Wars

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thank you very much.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    foxthebloodied got it right. GIVE US OLD REPUBLIC!

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    That's the only part left of the mythology left largely unexplored that I am most interested in seeing.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    The only 'Star Wars' I know will be great....

    by Cervantes Adywan's follow-up to his also amazing 'Star Wars Revisited' version, which made me care somewhat again.<P>Here's the trailer -<P>As far as this proposed 'young Boba and bounty hunters' TV show possibility, I just hope it doesn't end up more 'childish' than 'child-like' throughout it's run. There's a big difference, as was born out by by too many moments in the sequels....<P>I certainly don't think there'll be much so-called 'darkness' in this, no matter what anyone claims.<P>.If the guys involved in this particular cut-scene were involved, THEN I might be excited -<P>Still, Adywan's even going to 'rejig' the sequels eventually....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    The last 35 minutes of AOTC is better than anything Bay can or ever will do.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Or if Bay had directed the Droid battle in Ep1

    by Lamerz

    That COULD have been a bad ass battle. I'd leave the Maul lightsaber battle alone, but the rest of it could have been SO much better.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    The only 'Star Wars' I know will be great....

    by Cervantes Adywan's follow-up to his also amazing 'Star Wars Revisited' version, which made me care somewhat again.<P>Here's the trailer -<P>As far as this proposed 'young Boba and bounty hunters' TV show possibility, I just hope it doesn't end up more 'childish' than 'child-like' throughout it's run. There's a big difference, as was born out by by too many moments in the sequels....<P>I certainly don't think there'll be much so-called 'darkness' in this, no matter what anyone claims.<P>.If the guys involved in this particular cut-scene were involved, THEN I might be excited -<P>Still, Adywan's even going to 'rejig' the sequels eventually....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Yes, that's 2 capital i's in that....

    by Cervantes

    ....Adywan trailer link by the way.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Kwis - the last 35 minutes is good, very good in fact

    by Lamerz

    But it lacked intensity in my opinion. For being a major battle, the visuals were nice, but it could have been the best part of the series. The big shots were spectacular. But then the small parts were even better. The part where all the dust is kicked up after the droid ship crashes back down to the ground ... and the dust is kicked up and the fog of war. That was just a small glimpse of the intensity of the clone war. The small glimpses of the Jedi leading the clones into battle. Some of those things being expanded upon would have been awesome.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Actually... screw Bay. Spielberg should have

    by Lamerz

    done the ground battle scenes in the prequels. Was just thinking about Saving Private Ryan. Granted, the prequels wouldn't be that gory, but DANG... they would be intense.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Apologies for that double post....

    by Cervantes

    ....I hate when that happens here too.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    A long time ago...I was a HUGE Star Wars fan

    by HarryBlackPotter

    I lived for the movies when I was a kid and collected everything...and had someone told me back in 1983 that one I'd become so jaded, so disillusioned by all things Lucas I wouldn't have believed them. And back then, if someone said that one day, Star Wars would become a Live Action TV show like Star Trek, I'd have hid in my mom's freezer in an attempt to cryogenically freeze myself because the wait would have been agonising otherwise...and now...I couldn't give a rat's ass about this show. After TPM, I gave up on Lucas and Star Wars and even though Ep 2 and Ep3 were better, they held ZERO of the old magic. Sorry, but this dragon's out.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    You will all watch this

    by darthvedder81

    Of course you will. Oh and why is wanting George Lucas involved with Star Wars an automatically good thing (not to mention a ludicrous thing since he, you know, invented Star Wars). 98% of the Star Wars expanded universe that doesn't involve George Lucas directly is utter shit.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    For me we could have done without the Phantom Menace, young Anakin storyline, with the first Episode being early on in the Clone wars or it could have seen the beginning. <p> What I would have kept from the Phantom Menance is Darth Maul instead of Dooku and that fantastic fight scene at the end. And Liam Neeson as a senior Jedi

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Meanwhile Jar Jar abrams directed a remake of SW: A New Hope

    by AsimovLives

    He called it Star Trek.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    No edit option = pain at times.

    by Cervantes

    That Star Wars 'cut-scene' goodness link should have been ->P> Wish these guys were involved in this 'live-action' series.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Asimov, but did you enjoy it?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    You have been pretty quiet and subtle about Star Trek

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach is absolutly right

    by AsimovLives

    Michael Bay could only dream of being 1/10th as good as George Lucas is at directing action... on a bad day. Any action scene in AOTC is 10 times better then the sum of all of Bay's career.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    One of the major plot points of Phantom Menace...

    by Engelhast

    Was how the Jedi had to "Scooby Doo" their way off of Tatooine when the Queen's ships hyperdrive took a dump. Jesus it is faster and smarter to get some local Cole Trickle Junior to win a race you bet on than to just call up Yoda and tell him to send you a ship to pick your ass up? You guys are fucking Jedi just mind trick some pilot to get you the hell out of there.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Er...or even this....

    by Cervantes That's a lower case 'L' before the 6, and then a capital 'I' after the 6. Worth the wait for those that haven't seen this yet.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Herc (re: story)

    by Kage

    Take this with the grain of salt that I did, but a friend of mine says he knows someone who was hired to write an episode about Lando loosing the Falcon to Solo. This was late last year, btw, so who knows what's happened even if it was true at the time.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Live action? Ray Barrett voice has been silenced.

    by kabong

    A talented voice actor, he played Commander Shore and Titan in the children's marionette series Stingray, and later was John Tracy, The Hood and many of the extra characters in Thunderbirds. "And we used to go in and we'd do five episodes in the morning," he recalled. "They were battling to get a voice for this old dowager lady, so I said, 'Look, I'll do the old girl.'"

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    With PM, have the feeling, Lucas was determined to show a young Anakin, and thus had to fill up space, i.e. podrace, trade federation blockade and battle. Its the kind of story that you put in a Star Wars book, not a movie.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Fucking hell, THIS time people!!

    by Cervantes

    Sorry about that. This is definately it -<P><P>It's the awesome 'cinematic' trailer for 'Knights of the Old Republic.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    No, i did not enjoyed it. This is me being subtle.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    What kind of SW i'd like to see?

    by AsimovLives

    I'd like to see a SW story that would date back to the very begining of the Old Republic and the very begining of the Jedis and Siths and their first major war. When does this happens in the SW chronology, 5000 years before the movies or something like that?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Remember, that ....

    by Cervantes

    ....has a LOWER case 'L' and then a CAPITAL 'I'. Fuckin' YouTube links drive me crazy when the font doesn't look obvious.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Sicne Jar Jar Abrams turned Star Trek into Star Wars...

    by AsimovLives

    ... whjy not turn Star Wars into Star Trek and depict the time in the very early years of the Federation when so little was know of the galaxy that they had to go exploring it! and at a tiem the technology was still a bit primtive that there was no small ships that could travel between the stars,a dn only very big shit of the line type ships could do? And have those exploring ships, whose missions was to explore strange new worlds and new lifeforms, be crewed by Jedis, with the Siths shadowing them in all their endevors, and even atempting to saboutage their efforts?<br><br> Well, why not turn SW into ST? It would be only fair, given the recent developements on ST.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Fuck, that post went all wrong

    by AsimovLives

    I'm going to repost it, with due rectifications. sorry about that

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Right, Lucas knows how to edit, his action scenes are brilliantly cut. Unlike Bay, who just shoots with 6 cameras then cuts it together into a hideous blancmange, confusing geography by frequently crossing the line.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    tried searching for it, but comes up with the game, is it live action?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Since Jar Jar Abrams turned Star Trek into Star Wars...

    by AsimovLives

    ... why not turn Star Wars into Star Trek and depict the time in the very early years of the Federation when so little was know of the galaxy that they had to explore it.<br>And that would be at a time when space-traveling technology was still a bit primtive, that there were no small ships that could travel between the stars, only very big ship of the line type ships could do.<br> And have those exploring ships, whose missions was to explore strange new worlds and new lifeforms and civilizations, be crewed by Jedis, with the Siths shadowing them in all their endevors, and even infiltrating and atempting to saboutage their efforts?<br><br>Well, why not turn SW into ST? It would be only fair, given the recent developements on ST.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Who kills Asoka?

    by Disney_Retcond_my_STD

    And who shot Nice Guy Eddie?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Lucas could call it Star Warstrek.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by InActionMan

    Jar Jar does not equal C3PO. Jar Jar may be a racist caricature but I don't think Jar Jar visits the droid oil bathhouse to suck robot cock and get fucked in his robot ass.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    thankfully Asimov thats not going to happen

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Perhaps we will get more silly characters in order to sell toys, but he won't go there....unless of course he can make a buck. <p> Maybe a Vampire Jedi, the kids will love it.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Comandante kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    No pun intented, but George Lucas is a master jedi regarding film editing. He was always excelent at it, and time has not diminished his skills. Too bad so many of the newbies cannot understand that good editing has nothing to do with how fast and how many cuts one can do in a minute. In fact, soemtimes one can see a great editor at work when he doesn't cut away. Any fool can fast-edited, it takes a talented editor to know when not to cut and let the shot lingers.<br><br>Geroge Lucas knows ediitng, and it's foolish to think otherwise. I mean, who the hell this people think edited Radiers Of The Lost Ark? Spielberg, they believe? They better ask Spielberg, and get the answer they are not expecting: George Lucas did.<br><br>There is only one better editor then Lucas in the whole of Hollywood, and that's Walter Murch.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by Engelhast

    She has to die and it pretty much has to be Anakin's fault IMO. It would help to explain why he was so ridiculous about his "must save Padme" over reaction in Revenge of the Sith. I think it will be pretty important to Vader’s over all story that every woman he had ever been responsible for (His mother, Ahsoka, Padme) he let down.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    No, i think they should make a SW movie turned into a ST. It would be tick-for-tack. It would be karma. It would be justice. It would be the joy of watching the geekoids who loved the Star Trek-as-Star-Wars and though it was such a great idea get their just desert, and watch them scream like bitches of how unfair that is. Nothing like make them hurt to finally get the point.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    So, basically, it's very bad news to be a woman if you get to know Anakin. You get dead, sooner or later.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Interesting thought Asimov

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    but never going to happen, you will also have to prepare yourself for another JJ Trek

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Meh Star Wars.....

    by TheWaqman

    boring. I don't even think I'd waste my time to watch beyond the pilot of this inevitable piece of shite. They need to give Lucas a coloring book and sit him down while the professionals do their work. Maybe then it would be interesting. Lucas is an idea-man, but that's all. He can't translate his ideas well at all.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    star wars died in 1982

    by travismays

    and then was resurrected and massacred in 1997.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    C3-PO may be whiny, but he and R2-D2

    by Dingbatty

    pulled the humans nuts out of the fire on many an occasion.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Ol' Fat Neck Strikes Back

    by pumaman

    The only saving grace about those friggin prequels was the excellent Darth Maul. And they dropped him like a cold bag of puke. The only way this live action series will succeed is if : A - Georgie-boy does not write a single piece of dialogue. B - We see Jedi C - We see Bounty Hunters D - They cast someone like Katee Sackhoff :-)

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Did someone actually just type "meh"??

    by slone13

    How quaint.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this!

    by Irievibes82

    Hey the Clone Wars cartoon is awesome- I'm a former detractor but I think it's edgy, mature and aims to teach kids a lesson. IMHO the hallmark of classic cartoon television. Also production values are great and the action is awesome. I think the live action has potential if they can keep actually delve into the characters and not gloss em over like in the prequel trilogy.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Correct. The reason Raiders is so good is that it is the ultimate combination of Spielberg's mastery of staging and setpieces combined with Lucas's mastery of editing.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    All 4 of your conditions seem key, my fear is George will go cheap on the talent

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Rather See Heroes in Loop

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    and that's torture enough.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    dont matter what it about im in

    by shamon

    really looking forward to this live action show and with his own studio behind this im in.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Guillermo Del Toro & Alfonso Cuaron to direct STAR WARS

    by YackBacker

    That would have been perfect. But these are silly things to ponder. STAR WARS is dead.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    all this talk...

    by VADER77

    7, 8, and 9 won't EVER be made. Clone Wars stuff is OK, need some of it to make the next step more interesting, BUT what a lot of us want is the RISE OF VADER .... and not nice.... more in the vain of Star Wars and Empire, yet even more violent and angry... (not necessarily "darker" ), include the Nohgri and explore some of the facts that Vader wasn't totally and always controlled by the Emperor... ??? As a giant fan of the Star Wars universe, I have no problem with more Star Wars, just do it right... and to hell with this talk of Bay, or Abrams, or Speilberg, Del Toro or any of those guys touching this universe.. someone new, or unknown, yes, hell, I wouldn't even mind if MAYBE, Favreau took a shot.........

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The dark side IS stronger

    by pumaman

    So, that's what we need. A dark , violent Galactica-esque Jedi purge, with bounty hunters running around doing Vaders evil bidding. Bringing in some decent members of the expanded universe could also work. Some of the books ( maybe 6 out of what, 60 ? ) are actually very good.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The Jedi are all but extinct

    by pumaman

    I seriously doubt the Craggy old bastard Emperor and Vadey-poos got EVERY mofo.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm actually eager that they make another Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek movie. The pain caused by the first movie was mostly due to the unexpected level of awfullness it has. I was expecting MI3 dumb, i was not expecting Pearl Harbor bad. Caught me totally by suprise. But now i know what to expec,t and with such understanding, now i can have fun at the next Shit Trek movies, by laughting at their retardness and awfulness. You know about that MST3K type of fun, mocking bad movies? That's the deal that will be with me came the next Shit Trek movies. I actually want them to be made. The laughts will be very welcome.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    JJ's Trek

    by Engelhast

    was my 2nd fav movie of this summer just slightly behind District 9. I'd put it as tied for maybe my send fav Trek movie along with Voyage Home and both of those just behind Wrath of Kahn.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You know what the Jar Jar Abram's movie is below, in terms of quality? To a bucket full of shit. Yes, i know, this year is fucking horrible in terms of movies, specially the blockbusters, but that's no reason to put Shit Trek so high. There's many other movies that can be second best without you having the need to pick one out of the sewer. And the year is not over yet. And it might also offer this though that this summer, no movie deserves to be called their number one or two, because none of them deserved to be. There's no winners, only losers.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by Charlie_Allnut

    I would just do a straight up action/adventure show with a Han Solo-esque character getting into all sorts of cool action and fun. Forget the snooze fest political backstory. This will surely end up being terrible though. Fuckin Lucas.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Anything post-ROTJ would be completely lame

    by strosmer

    The galaxy is now at peace, and the story is done. Not to mention peace is fucking boring, so get off it already. I wouldn't mind seeing some Old Republic shit done in live-action, but it's too much for Lucasfilm to take on right now. I believe the TV series has great potential and am very excited about it. The advent of the Rebellion promises many great stories, as do the exploits of smugglers and bounty hunters, but keep Boba Fett appearances limited, and don't include Han Solo or Lando at all - keep it fresh.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    If they do Episodes 7-9..

    by Engelhast

    I hope they don't center on the Yushon Vong. They just don't feel all that "Star Wars" to me. Legacy is where it is at. Cade Skywalker is the shit. I would like to see his adventures put to film.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Totally amazed...

    by Rakafraker the the people on here that just come and bitch and don't even read the article before they start spouting. <p> Read this -> before you start your whining.<p>Personally, I hope Lucas knocks it out of the park, so all the idiots who don't know stitch #1 about making movies, but still yammer on like they do (just remember that those of us that do have an inkling are laughing at you), get what they deserve. <p>Somebody with more patience than myself should take the names of all the detractors, then totally call them out when they change their tune.<p>'Nuff said.<p>Everything is looking promising for this series. I think that GL is doing this as good as he can (making sure all the elements are place before churning the show out). Yes, it is taking some time (OK, a LOT of time), but IMHO that is what will assure the production to be top-notch. <p>The clone wars have been getting very good (if you haven't been watching, shame on you, you don't have any grounds to bitch), with some very mature themes for what is supposed to be a "kiddie" show. Kinda reminds me of the heaviness of Watership Down, or some of the other heavy animated movies of the '70's. Ultra-violent and bold. If that is what they're doing to the "kiddie" show, just imagine what they'll do to an adult-geared series (hopefully HBO picks it up).

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Wow...that teet comment was fucking funny!

    by spiceybiscuit

    Nice job....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Lucas-Skull fucking my childhood for more cash

    by spiceybiscuit

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Nizzuts

    Great idea for a series. If they are going to do that, make it a mini-series on HBO. That would be a fantastic show.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Hey Rakafraker, if you're such an expert in SW history

    by YackBacker

    Then you also know that Lucas' least favorite SW movie is EMPIRE. Why? Because it made the least amount of money, and that's according to Gary Kurtz. Of course, in response to this, Lucas re-made Episode IV with JEDI, eliminating all adult themes that were built in EMPIRE save for Vader's death. And Lucas also insisted on Ewoks to get kids into SW more (and to make him more money). Notice his first post-Jedi project was a pair of Ewok movies... Lucas doing the best he can? To rake in dough, yes.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Series will run on HBO.

    by Onin Solstice

    In 12-20 episode seasons. Ala Band of Brothers. I don't see any free TV network having the cash to not only pay for this show, but also air it on time and give it adequate running time. This is being readied for cable, trust me.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah Lucas made buco bucks with the Ewok TV movies.

    by Engelhast

    whatever you say. :roll eyes:

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I think Lucas changed. Once upon a time, a film student who was doing her first film job on Raiders Of The Lost Ark said that her favorite Lucas movie was THX-1138, and he was suprised by her choice and asked her how it could be, because it didn't made any money. Today, Lucas claims it's his best movie he ever made, and the one closest to his heart. So, i would take with a grain of salt what Lucas once said, like 10 years ago, about what was his fave SW movie and the reasons for it. In fac,t in the audio comentary for Empire Strike Back, the man is nothing but full of pride of the movie.<br><br>But i agree with you on one thing: Return Of The Jedi is one terribly misguided movie. as you said, it's a fucking remake of A New Hope. It boggles my mind when people still rate it as one of the best SW movies. There's things that are pretty good in it, and all of them involves the Emperor. otherwise, it's the fucking movie with the fucking ewoks!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    That story was recounted on Easy Riders, Raging Bulls

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Return of the Jedi

    by Engelhast

    weakest of the OG trilogy by far but the Stuff on Tatooine in the first half is awesome and that space battle at the end is still the coolest and most epic space battle put on film.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Maybe Robert Zemeckis can mo cap the rest of the SW movie?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Cool so after all these years, they've done nothing. Nothing.

    by ricarleite2

    There are possibly "writers" attached to the project, and pre production WOULD begin in 2009. So by the time they release it, Star Wars will be as relevant and modern as Harrold Lloyd's Safety Last.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    they should put this on the SyFy channel

    by crazybubba

    isn't that where all the great sci-fi tv shows come from? *sigh* Lucas was once a great moviemaker.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    GL announced this in 2005 back at Star Wars

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Celebration III. Since then, nothing. I was in the audience when he announced it.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And yet the Emperor sitting on a throne throwind sarcastic jabs at Luke makes for far more enthralling cinema then all the special effects extravaganzas of the battle scenes in the movie. When i was a teen, it was the special effects that caught my eye. Today, it's Ian McDormind's scene stealing acting. Fancy that, hem?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck, at least spell his name right - Ian McDiarmid

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    What my 3-year-old wants

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    He's an avid old school Star Wars fan and I think he nailed what this show should be. Darth Vader going around killing Jedi with his light saber. Maybe Greedo starting out as a bounty hunter (he likes him as well). Throw in a young Princess Leia going on dates, swimming, having pillow fights, etc. and you have TV Gold. Nothing from the Prequels (he hates "little Darth Vader" and when we call the cat Jerry "Jer Jer Binks"). I'm telling you, this is your demographics talking George.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    all I can say is I hope Lucas learned the lesson

    by smackfu

    that less is more. And I hope it focuses on the dystopian atmosphere of the people living under the Empire. Oh, and it would be cool if there were Jedis and they were like *PZZHHAAAA* ZHUUUMP ZHUUUMP PFISSSSH

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Legacy

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Star Wars CAN be done right. I have pretty much burned out on Star Wars, although for most of my life it was a true passion of mine. GL has always been one of my heroes, (still is), but I think he has lost his earlier passion and creativity.</p> <p> I actually kind of wish it would have remained this mysterious event that Obi-Wan told Luke about, where we had to fill in the blanks with our own imagination. I am personally tired of battle droids, and planets that are made of lava or redrock at this point. </p> <p>however, Star Wars can still be compelling, and I've discovered (late) the Star Wars Legacy comic series. THAT is addictive, exciting, adult stuff, with good characters, great dialogue, and an interesting rearranging of the classic SW elements, just set over a hundred years after ROTJ. When I read that series I forget about all the prequels, or at least, I only remember the good parts.</p> <p>So it's not like there can't be new life breathed into SW. With the resources Lucas has, and the heritage SW still has among old school fans, the idea of it being any LESS compelling and good than the recent BSG is unthinkable. The key is to let talented writers and actors, who actually probably still love these characters and this galaxy, to just have their way and reinvent SW in a way that is NOT about just putting someone in front of a green-screen and giving wooden performances.</p> <p>What made SW work originally was the performances and the interaction between the characters, Lucas forgot about that stuff. But that's exactly what he needs to be taken seriously again.</p>

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the correction. Now it's your turn to name one portuguese name right without making it sound spanish. Good luck.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    I agree on AotC, imo that scene of the Troops and droids exchanging gunfire in the dust cloud was the only inspired, artistic thing Lucas did in that whole trilogy.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I Star Wars remake i would really like to see

    by AsimovLives

    would be a Star Wars movie rated N-17 for sex and violence. Basically, that would mean doing a movie version of the Star Wars manga comic book.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Do you have any idea how alien it looks a scotish name to a port

    by AsimovLives

    So back off, man! This fucking self-centered cultural bullshit, man!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    (cont.) to a portuguese

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    smackfu fuck off

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Compare ROTS to ANH, and you will see that George really grew as a director.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Best action director of the last 2 decades?

    by strosmer

    George Lucas.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    How to make this good:

    by Muki

    Get Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D. Moore to run the writing staff.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The new Trek came close to Lucas style action

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Even Iron Man had the same style.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Two Words

    by shran

    Giant Fucking Robots.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Fucking hell, i'm going to agree with lockesbrokenleg

    by AsimovLives

    And this guy has an habit of being wrong about everything. Well, eventually he had to be right about at least one thing. It's impossible to always be wrong about everything all the time.<br><br>On this subject, you are going to get an ally in me. George Lucas is indeed one of the top directors making action adventure movies. And i'll repeat that as many times as it takes.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If you are mistaking Michael Bay as a good action director, then you just made it official that you know nothing about action. Or directing. Back to school. Sorry.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg, however, i disagree (and rightly so) with this:

    by AsimovLives

    The Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek movie couldn't be futher from what is Geroge Lucas directing and editing style for action adventure movies. Jar Jar Abrams, the fucking untalented hack tha the is, he only took the "superficial2 lessons from Star Wars, as in, he copied the movie beats plot point by plot point, but didn't learned the real true lessons to learn from Lucas famous space saga. Jar Jar Abrams is like the stupid retard idiots who thinks me turned his ford Pinto into a Ferrari because he painted the car with a similiar Ferrari Red colour, forgetting that what makes a Ferrari a Ferrari is much, much more then just the paintjob.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Ronald D. Moore shoud reboot Star Trek

    by AsimovLives

    He actually know the stuff, since he once worked for the show. And with Galactica the man has prived beyond a shadow of a doubt (except for the retards) that he's a true talented man with vision and intelligence. This is the guy who should had been given the keys to the Star Trek kingdom, and not that stupid fucking ignorant untalented hackboy Jar Jar Shit Abrams.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    RDM would have everyone be drunk all the time

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The ship would be run down, and fucking everyone would argue. That's not Star Trek.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by shran

    You have just proven that you are an emotionless robot devoid of any sense of humor. What the fuck are you even doing here? You see, old salt, these things are called jokes. A bit of humor. Why don't you quit bashing Star Trek and JJ Abrams. We get it. You didn't like it. It's not even in theaters anymore is it? You act as if it was made to personally rape your child-hood. I'm certain your horn has differnt notes. What do you say you play another tune for us?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    STARWARS should riff from Lone Wolf and Cub

    by the Green Gargantua

    Lil Fett learns how to be a Bounty Hunter, bam done. Keep Lucas outta the production!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    How long before Bob Orci is attached to this fuck

    by conspiracy

    Farting and leg humping are right up his alley. Hell, from his writing style he might be one of Lucas offspring.</p><p> Lucas is a dead soul, artistically and socially. He hates his fans as much he hates Star Wars, as he blames it for his failed marriage to Marsha. Only his ego and greed keep him attached to it...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    How anybody can think

    by kwisatzhaderach

    that Abrams Star Trekwars is better than Robert Wise's Star Trek The Motion Picture is utterly beyond me.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    "98% of the non Lucas EU is shit"

    by savagedave

    50% of the Lucas involved regular universe is shit too.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    Orci Trek was fluff...entertaining sure, but empty and vapid...with a horrible script.</p><p>STTMP may have been slow moving, somewhat pretentious, and boring to the non-trek familiar post Star Wars audience...but it was a better "Trek" movie than Abrams film.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    shran, i'm an emotionaless robot? AWESOME!!!

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    One day i'll find Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek entertaining... as soon the shock from it's utter awfulness dissipates and i get to laught at it for it's awfulness, MST3K style.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS!!!

    by one_guy_from_andromeda_

    MEH, i lost interest in that shit the moment jar jar stepped into the frame in that old cam of phantom i downloaded years ago. Cause you'd have to be a moron to pay cash to see that shit in the cinema. I haven't downloaded any of the other star wars movies, but from what i hear, it's like watching a barium meal travelling through the lower intestines. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i just remembered the poor deluded idiots who stood in line for that shit HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    an episode with ewoks picking off clones like in the pine barren

    by ironic_name

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Comandante kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    You and me, brother. but i would venture a guess: people who think that the Jar Jar movie is better then Robert Wise's are just people who don't give a shit. Complete pure apathy.<br><br>I could even say this people must not know who Robert Wise was. Jar Jar Abrams is not worth to lick the dog shit stuck on the Robert Wise's shoes soles that he step on early in the morning. People praiing Jar Jar Abrams over robert Wise is a complete total show of pure cinematic ignorance. This people call themselves movie geeks? Next this same people will say that The Day The Earth Stood Still remake is better then the original.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Ronald D. More knows mroe about Star Trek in his pjunky toe then Jar Jar Abrams will ever know in his whole life if he lived to 120. Or any of his groupies, for that matter. Ronald D. Moore is just responsible, individually or in co-authorship, with some of the best episodes of ST:TNG and ST:DS9. I dare say, the man really knows his Star Trek. A fucking lot!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Ronald D. More knows more about Star Trek in his pinky toe then Jar Jar Abrams will ever know in his whole life if he lived to 120. Or any of his groupies, for that matter.<br><br>Ronald D. Moore is just responsible, individually or in co-authorship, with some of the best, most awarded and most beloved episodes of ST:TNG and ST:DS9. I dare say, the man really knows his Star Trek. A fucking lot!<br><br>And anybody who doesn't think that his Battlestar Galactica TV show is brillant SF knows shit about SF, or good fiction for that matter. Figures.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm a jazz player, i play he same tune with variations. If you don't like it, you can always tune into the boys-band music that is Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek. Might be more to your liking.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Aside from the SW Prequels and the New Trek

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I have yet to see anyone go all out on a action sequence that lasts over a fucking hour.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    CG and Live action shows are R&D for...

    by Some Dude

    ...the third trilogy. Just like Young Indy and the Special Editions were for the prequels. Of course Lucas can't say it without being hounded by the geeks for the next few years.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    More bloody Star Wars. Who cares, Lucas!

    by Puddleglum

    Stick to your Tuskegee Airmen and forget about the universe you created and subsequently sullied beyond redemption. <p> Unless you're going to show Leia shopping for her gold bikini.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Fareal (waaay up there). Hamill CAN act

    by Puddleglum

    he just does it best off-screen voice-acting the Joker.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by Some Dude

    The third trilogy will jettison all the expanded universe crap in one fell swoop. Fanboy complaints will be of no concern considering Trek just abandoned it's entire canon except for Enterprise.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Hamill was great as the Joker.

    by JKrow21

    Come on now!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Never thought about it before. Prequels = Non Abrams Star Trek

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Everything shiny and new. Lots of technical mumbo jumbo jibber jab to kill onscreen time better served with action or actual good dialog. Everybody seems to be either sort of a pussy or a nerd acting tough. Bad guys made into random aliens just for the sake of being aliens, but totally act like humans (even in slightly racist ways). Teenagers and kids have important roles in war. Then make this effort to showcase alien cultures nobody really cares about (becuase it'll teach us about ourselves). Lots of bad puns. Never any real sense of danger. Any romance is forced and beyond lame. Oh yeah, and typically boring with an inspired action scene here and there when you least expect it because you might be asleep.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by shran

    I am an actual musician. In order to be well rounded, you have to play in a variety of different styles and idioms. Don't be a one note Johnny. Yes, Abrams made a shitty film. But Jesus on the cross, dude, TOS also produced Spock's Brain and The Way to Eden. In the end, who gives a shit? You keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over. The tone of your monotony drowns any validity your point once had. And you continue to be obtuse in your failure to recognize it. And get a sense of humor.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Just make a movie, done PROPERLY

    by interneti

    Hire some amazing director with a track record that's unconventional but solid, etc. etc. Do it properly, do it right. No Hayden Christensen type idiots to ruin everything..

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Yea, FORCE UNLEASHED maybe?

    by the Green Gargantua

    It is the best post original trilogy story in my opinion.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Duke Nukem Forever

    by crimsoncinder

    This pile of a series is taking the Duke Nukem Forever approach and by the time anything sees the light of day, none of us are gonna give a shit.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    All Lucas bashers are scared men wishing they were still 12

    by thewirebitches

    Get over it. The prequels were not made for you cynics. I'm glad I was still at an age to actually enjoy them. Go re-watch the original star wars and tell me it doesn't fit right in line the episodes I and II. Empire is obviously on another level, as is episode III somewhat. Star Wars will always be around and those who declare it dead are deluding themselves. So you didn't like the prequels quit crying about it all these years later, makes it seem like your holding a grudge.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I listen to a few Star Wars podcasts. Most of them bitch and bit

    by lockesbrokenleg

    about Star Wars, but then, one guy says, "So, did you get any new toys lately?" and then the other guys rattle off a list of shit they bought - eff off podcasters.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    A Star Wars TV series will be...

    by Creative1

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    A Star Wars TV Series will be...

    by Creative1

    a fucking weekly toy commercial. That's all Lucas cares about is selling shit. Not stories, not mythology, not dialogue or character development. (Episodes I, II and II proved that) just you buying a new X Wing fighter every week. He hasn't had a good idea in 20 years.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    hey Lock, whats up dude? I think you are

    by southafricanguy

    fairly right about action going for over an hour. But sustained dramatic action is actually quite hard to pull off without it boring the audience. Imho Lucas did at least get the action right in the prequal trilogy. Im not sure why you reference trek though Dude as i am unaware of any particularly long action set pieces. If you want an all out action scene that goes on for +- an hour I think we may get it with Avatar if the old scriptment is anything to go by. The last third is pretty much just one huge action set piece after another...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    thewirebitches, I disagree. No fart jokes

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Case closed.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Asimov, hows it going dude? You know I like

    by southafricanguy

    you and have had many good conversations/debates with you, but my friend you need to stop going on about the new trek. Its making you come across like a stuck record. Everyone knows you hated it, an opinion you are more than welcome to have as if it simply did nt not work for you, then it did nt. But continually repeating it does nt make you come across too well. Im a huge trek fan, have been my whole life (grew up with the first six films), and I still mnaintain that it was entertaining and accomplished what it set out to do, a new take on trek imho. Trek is very mutifacted as a concept, and its normal for something thast has been around so damn long to have several versions/interpretations. So JJ'S does nt work for you, you still have the superior Nicholas Meyer films right? My personal fave being WOK and UC, and FC is pretty entertaining imho...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    I can get my Starwars fix from the Clone wars Cartoon.

    by ganymede3010

    I have no confidence in this show.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Can anyone tell me if the clone wars cartoon

    by southafricanguy

    is any good, as in did it get better? I have only seen the long one that was released to theatres, and man did that suck, we can now add Ziro the Hutt and akosh (or whatever the annoying little twerps name is) into the great hall of shitty Star Wars characters right alongside Jar Jar, Padme, and Ani....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The Sky Dive sequence in the new Trek and

    by lockesbrokenleg

    the Kelvin/Narada battle, and the Enterprise/Narada battle were fucking awesome, and they really reminded me of the long action we see in Star Wars. I loved it.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Clone wars cartoon is great

    by DioxholsterReturns

    it will grow on you no kidding

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Died when Marsha cut Georges nuts

    by conspiracy, kinda silly, but George got Sir Alec to give it a backbone of seriousness. No Fart Jokes...Han whacked the green fuck without a hint of remorse</p><p> Ep5...Not for Kids. There is incredible character development, serious acting, a great fucking script, not a hint of stupidity...and Frank Oz made a latex Puppet a character so well done you took it seriously. One of the best sci-fantasy movies ever.</p><p> But then..sometime soon after that shoot..Marsha ran off with the camera man. George blamed his work...blamed the media...the fans...he hated the Star Wars phenom for destroying his America and Apple Pie life.</p><p>So what did he was subtle at first...he gave us EWOKS. Yes...Fucking EWOKS were the tip of the iceberg. He holed up in Marin with the kids...a hermit...distanced himself from Hollywood..and from adults...he became a bitter man up there...surrounded by yes men and Political Correctness...and when the prequels was the pure essence of George Lucas today...a lonely, torn, child of a man whose ego won't let him turn loose of the thing he hates most.</p><p>It would be best if George just stopped, nothing good can come from the man who now thinks fart jokes are funny or his cadre of yes men who are getting rich telling the emperor his clothes are the finest in the land when he is indeed naked.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    conspiracy-------not again man

    by DioxholsterReturns

    we get it. marsha is yoko ono. and whats with the fart jokes? i dont remember star wars featuring a fart joke?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Ellen DeGeneres as American Idol judge!!

    by DioxholsterReturns


  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Ellen DeGeneres as Jar Jar Binks

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    James Earl Jones voice has been over-used

    by DioxholsterReturns

    from commercials to stargate episodes, its too distracting to be used again,

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Lock....I agree with you, I liked the platform

    by southafricanguy

    scene, and the attack on the Kelvin in the begining, but I was dissapointed in the end battle, I was personally hoping for more of a show down between the Enterprise and the Narada. I thought it would have been more interesting to see Kirk have to command the Enterprise and beat a far more powerful ship as opposed to hima nd spock beaming over for a somewhat uninteresting, imho, shootout...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    but none of those action sequences were

    by southafricanguy

    particularly long Lock, certainly compared to the ones in Star Wars right? I always liked the end ship to ship battle in WOK, UC, and despite is being a really shitty trek film, I thought the ship to ship battle in Nemesis was fairly good. And certainly the longest and most ambitious attempt imho....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST are right about Hamill, seems lik

    by southafricanguy

    e a really nice guy, but lets be honest, theres a reason he had no career outside of Star Wars....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterReturns

    fuck you asshole. hope you end up in hell like the rest of your family

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    eh acting shmacting


    Hamill did fine in Star Wars, the transformation was believable, he became a badass in the Jabba scenes of ROTJ and attempting suicide instead of joining his father in ESB was top notch

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    NO MORE PREQUEL STUFF! nuff said

    by soloaj

    please - lets get something like "Knights of the Old Republic" or something way past RTOJ - where the original 3 movies are more myth & legend. PLEASE!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Diox...No SW did NOT have a fart joke, thats my point..

    by conspiracy

    GL of pre 1981 (the year the old lady fucked him over) would have never thought of pandering to retarded kids and simpletons. That George loved his creation, respected his audience, and although he thought of his movies as "Afternoon Serial fun", infused them with some dignity and great story telling.</p><p>GL of 2009, after over a decade away tucked away in Marin with his kids, and doing business in Hollywood by courier and phone... goes out of his way to tell the world.."These are childrens stories, the new ones are no different than the old ones", gives a fuck about story, disrespects his audience, and worse all but goes out of his way to destroy the original films and the world they created.</p><p>GL needs to retire...but he isn't quite done tearing down and milking his personal demon.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    uuh...ok diox, you ranting, raving little socio

    by southafricanguy

    path. Please fuck off and die, and dont talk about my family you loathsome, pathetic, disgusting poor excuse for a human being. Insult me all you want, but thats a line you dont cross motherfucker. Though only an inbred dumb fuckshit like you would nt know that.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterReturns

    who do you think you are? no one makes fun of Mark Hamill. oh im gonna mess you up, u just watch me. btw, i slept with your girlfriend last night. yeah, that smell is mine. OHHHHHH!

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Mark Hamill rules

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He's fucking cool. Come on. What do you do? Post lies on the net all day?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Oh my God, are you that sad, pathetic delu

    by southafricanguy

    sional a fanboy?? Fuck me, you must be out of your fucking mind. You have an overwhelming need to defend Mark Hamill by saying shit like that about my family? You really are a sociopath, and the absolute worst example stereotpe of a fanboy. And really, nice try with the girlfriend comment, but considering how you just showed your true colors, Its highly unlikely tou even know what a women fells like....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    but have fun jerking off to your Mark Hamil

    by southafricanguy

    poster and action figure.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Lock...yeas Hamil is cool, and as I said seems

    by southafricanguy

    like a really nice guy. I will always think of him in a positive way as he was Luke Skywalker for fucks sake. But he was never a particularly good actor, otherwise why did he fail to have a film career after Star Wars?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    He didn't need a film career he's making money

    by lockesbrokenleg

    every time you buy that 10th Skywalker action figure. Plus, he writes comics, and he works a lot in video games. Shit, at least he doesn't crank out shit movie after shit movie like Rob Zombie,

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy is a sad loser

    by DioxholsterReturns

    ur girlfriend is thinking about me everytime you doing here. if not me then its probably someone else whos way better than you loser.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Geez...this is the cancer that has infected fan

    by southafricanguy

    dom, its all just negative, mean spirited bullshit, its all about who can shout the loudest and be the most obnoxius cunt with an opinion. God I hate fandom and fanboys now, just the most insular, small minded, stuck in the past assholes....Now I root for Hollywood to fuck up and fuck over your precious childhood memories and nostalgia blowjobs....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    agreed Lock, and im glad he makes money

    by southafricanguy

    doing what he does. Loved his joker voive work btw, so i Dont agree with the other dude who said he isnt a good voice actor. However I have never bought an action figure in my adult life (not judging those that do, but it just does nt interest me).

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    riiiggghhhtt dickhead, im the loser? Yet you

    by southafricanguy

    are the one having a meltdown because someone you dont even know "insulted" your hero. The only loser here is you, and you really need to grow the fuck up...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    or at least a get a life so that you dont take

    by southafricanguy

    your precious little fanboy crap so damn seriously that you feel the need to tell someone that you hope their family goes to hell you creepy little sociopath...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    what was that loser?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    i bet your girlfriend still never got over her ex-boyfriends big cock and still has wet dreams about it.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Fight! Fight!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    whatever you strange, pathetic little man.

    by southafricanguy

    Im not to going to have a conversation with someone that is clearly a complete fruitcake, and a nasty little sociopath to boot. Good luck in life in pal, because God knows you need it....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Some of you are so predictable

    by TheLastCleric

    The prequels are done and some of you still whine? Move the fuck on. Also, regardless whether you hate the prequels or love them, they actually had a hell of a lot more story than the originals ever had. It’s actually quite staggering how much mythology and classical allusions Lucas infused those prequels with, though that fact seems to be lost on the pseudo-intellectuals who populate the Internet calling Lucas a hack. Either some of you are being selective in your criticisms or maybe, just maybe, you aren’t quite as smart as you think. As to the Clone Wars, it’s pretty damn good and considerably better than the original mini episodes, which are so overrated it’s nauseating. I keep wondering why so many Lucas haters keep posting in these boards but the truth is every sorry-ass one of you motherfuckers will watch this show when it airs, even if only to come on here and other boards and scream and blather some more about how much smarter you are than Lucas. Love the guy or hate him, he owns your fucking ass because so many of the films you watch and love are edited by Skywalker Sound, played in THX, and use brilliant ILM effects. Oh, and ROTS is far darker and more adult than ESB ever was, so enjoy that little tasty nugget of Star Wars truth.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster - great character

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Is it your Harry or one of the Aint it cool staff, pretending to be a 14 year old who is friendless and finds solace in Stargate ?

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    SITH is in many ways superior to ESB

    by darthvedder81

    Much more emotional. Any true Wars fan weeps at the platform scene at the end (Natalie Portman is the only actor to ever show real emotion in a SW movie and I applaud GL and Portman for have the cajones to go there). The lightsaber stuff is leagues better (original trilogy fighting is shit). There no comparison as far as action and effects go--ESB spends waaaaaay to much time dealing with Han and Leia and their utterly pointless (to the overall saga) relationship. Whoop dee shit Kershner you got Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford to talk about their feelings convicingly--who the fuck cares? Hey I love me some ESB, it's just SITH is better...

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST i hope he is like 14 years old

    by southafricanguy

    because if this stargate obsessing, intellectually challenged scumbag is an adult...then God help us all....

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    lastcleric, both make some

    by southafricanguy

    good points, and while I disagree with some of what you guys say, please dont lump me in with the fanboy navalgazers that seem to populate this site these days. I actually like a lot of things about the prequal trilogy, and theres no question in my mind that this whole "lucas raped my childhood" shit is seriously overbooard, and worse, makes adult men sound like manchildren that never grew up.

  • Sept. 9, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    The Lucas-bashers should get their shit in order

    by TheLastCleric

    Jedi sucks because of the Ewoks yet the same people are pissed that Lucas removed the silly Ewok song at the end of Jedi in the Special Edition. This is one of many inconsistencies of SW hatred I encounter on the net. Another oddity is the veneration of Bobba Fett, despite the fact that he was pretty much a pussy in Empire. I mean, all he did was track the Falcon and have the Empire do all the work while he collected the bounty. There was never any indication that he was a badass save his cool outfit, which we now know was lifted from his much cooler clone daddy. Fett went down like a bitch in Jedi because he was, in fact, a bitch. Jedi was always my favorite of the originals because it contains some of the greatest scenes from the entire trilogy, including Luke’s awesome entry into Jabba’s Palace, the Sarlacc battle, and that intense duel with Vader. Never understood the hate for Jedi but then again I never understood the hate for the prequels either.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy, not directed at you

    by TheLastCleric

    or anybody else in particular. There is a group that fits that description however and you'll know them when they start calling me a basement-dwelling virgin.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Personally I dont care much for TPM, for

    by southafricanguy

    reasons I dont think we need to get into. But I like AOTC and ROTS, but I am dissapointed at Lucas's choice of focus. I just feel the prequal trilogy should have been more about the Clone Wars, and all the drama and conflict surrounding itas opposed to us just seeing its begininig and end. Imho TPM was not something we did nt needto see, as in we should never have seen Vader as a child. I felt is ruined his mystique....But ultimatly I agree with the point you guys make about some fanboys only looking at the OT with nostalgia goggles on (though I love it and ANH and ESB are two of my favourite movies). And stop with the trend of just automatically hating and bashing everthing to do with the prequal trilogy...

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    the lastcleric......the reason for the bobba fett

    by southafricanguy

    worship is because they liked that character when they were kids, thus they must have undying loyalty to it forever, and everything viewd through the magic of a fanboys nostalgia goggles is always "badass" and "keewl" Hence grown men that deeply love Transformers G1 even though its aged really badly, and was really just a toy commercial, albeit an imaginative and entertaining one. And thats why no live action movie will ever match the nostalgia fantasy fanboys have in their minds...

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    but, that being said you do have to admit that

    by southafricanguy

    TPM is not a particularly good film. Imho that is where Lucas really screwed up, but for me he seems to have listened to many complaints and tried to address them in the AOTC and ROTS.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    AOTC is just as good as ESB.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It even has that long stretch in the middle of the movie where the characters are looking out windows.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Star Wars needs to be on the big screen

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    It's the communal experience that's half the fun of it. And George needs to let other people write, direct and produce them. So, take a lesson from the latest Star Trek, George. Other people can play in your sandbox and make something stellar. Please put the Death Star sized ego away.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    He HAS douche. How do you explain those shitty EY novels? The cartoons. Comics? Videogams. There's a TON of shit out there, so stop bitching.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by shran

    Who's doing the writing for Dick Holster? And.......SCENE!

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Ewok picnic song

    by darthvedder81

    LastCleric makes some really good points there. Lucas actually TOOK OUT a major chunk of Ewok silliness replacing it with a beautiful galactic montage and John Williams theme and people still get pissed off. I'm as nostalgic for "Yub Nub/Celebrate the Love" as anyone but it's really a lame way to end the saga.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Star Wars EU

    by darthvedder81

    Here are the good entries into Star Wars EU: Shadows of the Empire Zahn Trilogy Dark Empire comics Tartakovsky Clone Wars Most of the new "Clone Wars" episodes Most of the LucasArts SW games Everything else is horrible.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Completely agree with you re Focus, my view is that GL was obsessed with showing Anakin as a child.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Yub Nub!

    by LeeMajors

    Perhaps in one episode, Wicket's father could meet Grando Carlissian and they could have an adventure together. That would be freaking sweeeeett!!! Also, a hilarious episode where young Aunt Beru gets space gas.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by strosmer

    Sure as my 5-year-old ass was in the theater five times that summer to see it, ESB is for kids! Not exclusively for kids, mind you, but for kids, absolutely, yes. All the SW movies are for kids, they're just not patronizing to kids - they're not "kiddie movies," which is why adults can enjoy them too. The whole intent behind Star Wars was to render a message about the importance of taking on a sense of responsibility, namely, growing up. You simply don't waste all that time and effort rendering a message about growing up for people who are, well, grown up.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    strosmer.....ESB was a Great Movie, Not targeted at kids..

    by conspiracy

    it was targeted at a General Audience and Families.</p><p>Sure, kids loved it..I was 12 or 13..I saw the fucker 20 times. But so did my parents; yet they hated the prequels. Why? Because Lucas forgot about making Good movies for a general audience, that happened to appeal to kids, and started making insipid, lame, fart joke riddled, CGI Shit fests engineered to milk the last cent out of the typical 11yr olds mothers pocket. Jar Jar, Roger ROger talking robots, scripts so bad they, at times, actually make Bob Orci look like a master, unbelievable characterizations, bad acting, bad direction, name it the prequels have it. All Lucas is today is a greedy, ego driven shell of a man, still loathing that his creation cost him the love of his miserable life, and whom seems to have forgotten everything that made his earlier works iconic and who now takes pleasure in making the most base, low brow, childish crap he can to sell toys.</p><p>That outta keep this thread going till dawn...hehehe

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    I think Star Wars fans are more bitter than Trek fans

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Star Wars fans also talk out of their asses far too much. Shut the fuck up you douche.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    conspiracy completely agree

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Re ESB, my parents both really enjoyed it too. Loved the action etc, and also liked the interaction between Han and Leia. I know other family menbers, uncles and aunties etc that enjoyed it too <p>

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Re what was good in the Prequels

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    In terms of acting, Liam Neeson was good in TPM, but for me Ian McDiarmid was brilliant, and no doubt in my mind the best performances in the Prequels was from him. <p> Had heard that Lucas isn't great for younger actors in terms of giving direction, helping them out and this was obvious from Hayden's performance, whereas Ian probably needed very little, if any direction.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 3:04 a.m. CST

    conspiracy re your comments about GL being greedy

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Would be shocked if anyone disagrees with you. <p> Unless of course someone from his family is on this TB.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    need to get the BSG writers involved

    by Cedar_Room

    and bring some depth to these stories. I really do feel like this needs to be good, or else the once great name of Star Wars could be forever tarnished by the shite that has followed it.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 5:51 a.m. CST

    I just realized why Diox is such an angry deme

    by southafricanguy

    nted and nasty little piece of work. Its due to severe frustration caused by his failure to achieve his life long ambition of having Mark Hamil's "lighsaber" shoved up his "stargate".....

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm hoping Cameon pulls off one of his traditional triple-decker climaxes, just when you think the film can't get any more intense or exciting Cameron serves up another climax to out-do the last one. Cameron is the master at this.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    southafricanguy, I remember back in one of those epic AVATAR tb's you made the point that the film's sucess would depend on the Navi...<p> Well, now that you have actually seen them what do you think?<p> Poor old Kwisa here's been the lone Navi defender on AICN but the overwhelming reaction is extremely negative.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi, what I meant....

    by Cervantes

    ....about that CG trailer for the 'Knights Of The Old Republic' game, was that I wished that the guys that came up with that could be the ones to come up with some of the ideas and tone of the forthcoming 'live-action' series too.<P>I'd prefer that kind of action compared to seeing stuff like lil' Boba fighting in the street with a lil' Greedo-type....which is the kind of thing we got in Phantom Menace....

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Hey Kwis.....hows it going dude? Yeah im

    by southafricanguy

    right there with you on that one. And if the old scriptment is anything to go by, Avatar wont dissapoint. Also, if you go look at the trailer for the game or some of the footage of the demo, you can get a pretty good idea just how insane the action will be. Im very confident we will see action scenes unlike anything we have seen before, what many dont get is that whats in that teaser trailer is just a small sampling of whats there, and its only scenes from the first half of the film...

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    hey cobra-kai....heres my thoughts/opinions

    by southafricanguy

    1) It took a while for the design to work for me, i think its an unconventional choice to be honest, but that could also be its strengh in terms of working for filmgoers. Lets remember that these things really are impossible to predict, and often fly in the face of so called conventional "wisdom". After all , who thought a gay gold colored robot would work onscreen, and become iconic. Imagine if the internet existed in 77' upon first seeing c3p0 you kno everyone would have said "Oscar!" Also, I kinda like how they look like they stepped out of the pages of Heavy Metal. 2)I have come to realize how full of shit a large segment of fandom now is, thus I really dont give a shit what fandom thinks is "cool" as they continuously prove that what they think is "cool" no-one else does. I think the Avatar trailer was weird to be honest, but thats what I liked about it, because weird is also a proxy for original. Much of the "criticism" has just been frankly childish i.e they re blue therefore its smurfs crap. So if they were green then I guess everyone could say "ninja turtles!". As I have said fandom can have and keep its nostalgia blowjobs, I want the new and risky, and im prepared to keep an open mind about it because I have a good idea of what Cameron's going for here, and I love the ambition of it....

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    BSG writers? Fuck that idea.

    by TheLastCleric

    That show was so bad at times it made my teeth hurt. It had promise but it also had some very weak ideas that completely decimated the integrity of the show, as evidenced by that god-awful finale. Even setting aside the fact that Star Wars really isn't science fiction but rather fantasy and mythology set to a sci-fi backdrop, BSG was never anywhere near as good as some people have claimed, especially when compared to something like Firefly or Star Trek. Also, that whole FRAK thing is unforgivably stupid and always was. If you really want to see the best television has to offer in terms of writing, look at something like The Shield or The Wire because BSG isn’t the apex of the medium regardless of what the fans claim.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Agree on the ambition, that is Cameron <p> If Cameron was President of the US, he would be saying that there will be a manned mission to Mars by 2015. <p> If Bay was President he would double the Military's budget, and request they make everything bigger, aircraft carriers the size of a small island.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Please Mr. Lucas, enough with the Prequels

    by Kikstad

    Why can't the live action TV series deal with the aftermath of the Return of the Jedi. Why is that period left to the Expanded Universe novels and comic books? Enough with the prequels already, please move the story FORWARD.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    sag, we're in the wrong tb to really go into this but thx for the response. Interesting thoughts.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Is this where we're hanging out now?

    by D.Vader

    Sweet Jabba the Hutt I can't keep up anymore.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Of course Star Wars fans are more bitter than Trek fans

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Trek was just rebooted and made millions and was widely loved, except by the vocal minority of most bitter and personality-deficient buffs who bitch about "canon" and "90210" and "GayGay Abrams" and all that nonsense. Not everyone, but a ton of people in the real world loved the new Trek and the future for the franchise is brighter than it's been in 20 years. Meanwhile, Star Wars can't get out from under Lucas's worst instincts long enough to be relevant -- sure there are books, which only hardcore fans read, and the Clone Wars series is by most accounts actually pretty decent but hardly earth-shattering. Star Wars is gonna have to wait until Lucas knocks off and his kids want new money before it'll matter again.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    If this isn't about Boba Fett I don't give a $hit

    by Stabby

    It should be done like a soap opera in space except with spaceship dogfights and laser duels.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Dawson's Wars

    by Stabby

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Roddenberry never raped his fans in the face

    by Stabby

    like George Lucas has done repeatedly and brutally like Max Hardcore does to teen runaways.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, noon CST

    lovely image Stabby

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    you could say we all bent over and took it, as evidenced by box office.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Stabby

    Some of us even let Lucas urinate on us afterwards.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I am_NOTREAL, SW isn't relevant?

    by TheLastCleric

    The last film made nearly 400 million, the books and comics and merchadise continues to sell a fuckton, and last I checked the Clone Wars series was one of Cartoon Network's highest rated shows. Even this latest Star Trek film ,which I personally loved, didn't come close to grossing what Sith made four years ago. Also, though I thought the new Trek was great, it was hardly "earth shattering." I'm not really following your logic when you claim SW isn't relevant.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Stabby, actually roddenberry did rape his fans

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by creating 'rules' around his 'baby' that were so strict and unbending that the star trek series became stagnant by the late 1980's. then roddenbery and crew kept beating that dead horse, blindly following the 'rules' up until 2009. star trek sucks

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by Stabby

    That wasn't rape, that was consensual Bondage Dominance & Sadomasochism.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Stabby, ha. true

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    star trek fans knew what they were doing. what is their 'safe word', i wonder? "Worf! Worf!, ouch! my nipples!"

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    The actors in the new Star Trek will do

    by Dingbatty

    two, or three more, tops. No future for Trek unless they reboot TNG or do something new for a change. The designs in the new MMORG look better than the recent crap reboot, anyway, which is sad.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by spiceybiscuit

    Let the dead lie dead...We are talking about Lucas and him fucking up our favorite childhood memories with those two shit movies of 1 & 2. Three was a little better....when no one was talking

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    My Only Complaint...

    by DoubleFantasy

    Two-thousand-and-fucking-twelve?! VAAT?!

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Does anyone think there is even the slimmest possibility

    by Stabby

    that this show will be any good? See that's just sad. That's how badly Lucas fukked up his own intellectual property. I guess Star Wars really has been reduced to a soulless money making machine.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Oh wow, you liked SW when you were 12

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and for some reason you hate the PT, uh, maybe you grew up? The PT was supposed to be nothing like the OT. Lucas said that himself,

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    I think its dumb to do a live action show inbetween episodes 3-4 or even 2-3. Honestly, I think Lucas thinks he knows what the fans want, and he's trying to give it to them--there was so much talk for so long about how we all wanted to see the clone wars... but that was before the prequels. Now, we've seen enough and want fresh stories <br><br>There is SOOO much potential with a show that goes thousands of years before skywalkers or (even better) a show where Luke is old and has built the foundation for a jedi academy. Hammil could probably use the work. Lucas isn't in touch with what the fans want right now. He is in touch with what the fans wanted years and years ago.<br><br>Such a missed opportunity if this is the timeframe they want to work with.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    The Jar Jar Binks Chronicles

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy, with all due respect,

    by strosmer

    you're not listening to what I said. I never said it's not for adults, but that it is for kids. I'm simply refuting what you said. I did say it's not "exclusively" for kids, but you either didn't read closely, or simply chose to ignore that crucial adverb.<p>I should clarify that when I say "kids" I am talking about anyone who is not an adult - children, adolescents, and teenagers. Lucas, not being a complete idiot, created something that a general audience can enjoy, sure, but the message, and the material, is geared for younger audiences. Lucas modeled SW after Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials for a deliberate reason. The fact that adults can enjoy those films too is just a lucrative byproduct of quality production.<p>And as far as Lucas being greedy is concerned, I've no doubt that his affairs are in order, that if the company goes under, his kids will still be set for life. He himself doesn't need the money. But his company does! The man is trying to run a business, a full-service entertainment production company to be more precise, hardly an easy venture in which to gain and maintain profitability. Making movies, TV shows, animation, and video games is not cheap! The prequels and Indy 4 were absolutely made for money! Is that such an awful thing? Is this high art we're talking about? No. They are products made for profit, to keep people working, to keep a business running. At least they are quality products. He's not trying to shill snake oil - that would be greed.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Thre prequels weren't made for money

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Neither was Indy 4. Thanks you guys buying novels and comics, Lucas was set for life by then. He always wanted to make the prequels. You people think greed drives everything these days because every site never talks about movies anymore, just about box office.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Will Fox wait until its really good...

    by HB_Dad

    ... and then stupidly kill it like they did with Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles?

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Lucas is a CGI addict


    and he had no restraints when making the prequels. There's no fucking story there. I don't think there ever was a story. Just a basic outline with ridiculous tie-in fillers to appease the fans. Fuck that guy.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Star Wars TV show is pointless

    by TurdontheRun

    Too much EU stuff spoils the broth(or even semi-canonical stuff like this). Nobody gives a shit except hard-core Star Wars who, if online evidence from the past 10 years is anything to go by, are simply the worst people in the world (alright, marginally behind religious fanatics, bankers, and neo-cons). Just give us Episodes 7-9. And it will happen. Lucas will use mo-cap technology to give us an older Luke, Han, and Leia in post-ROTJ times. You can bet Lucas won't want to drop from FX-innovator to also-ran, when Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson, Zemeckis, etc. are all playing in that sandbox. He'll want in, too.<p>Remember when Star Wars used to be cool? Not just even during its initial run, but between 91 and 99? Guess who ruined it all? Lucas? Wrong answer. The mindless drone bitches, complainers, and shut-ins sickened everyone to it. Granted, the prequels were disappointments, but they've actually aged quite well. At least they had ambition, even if the execution was sometimes shoddy, and they did have occasional moments of greatness. I'd take that any day over mindless pap like GI Joe and Transformers. Also, ROTS > ROTJ. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and you will see it to be true. ROTJ was a lazy rehash of A New Hope, such as Last Crusade was to Raiders. It was kept afloat only by the charm of the OT actors, the odd great sequence (space battle, yoda's death, etc.), and the accumulated goodwill from the prior two entries. One can only dream what Spielberg would have made of it, since he was Lucas's first choice, and was only thwarted by DGA regulations. Jedi isn't a bad film; it's pretty good, but the OT deserved an even greater send-off.<p>Also, whoever above says Avatar's success depends on the Na'vi - then its success is assured. Anyone who saw the 3D footage saw how convincingly emotive they really were. Case closed - but let the mindless Thundercats/ Smurfs comparisons continue, if only to prove the old dictum that the only resource the universe is not in short supply of is human stupidity.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    strosmer...As a Capitalist..I do not have a problem with "greed"

    by conspiracy

    but Lucas IS a snakeoil salesman...he is not giving good value for money, and quite honestly he knows this.</p><p>Lucas immediately after the prequels talked about scaling down..low key, artistic films; while letting his empire run along without him, because Lucas has squat to do with merchandizing, games, ILM or any of the other ventures that sprang from the SW property. All Lucas does is rubber stamp what his VPs, Accountants, and managers tell him to and make sure they appeal to his "vision", this business does not need Lucas. In fact, it'd be better off without him watering it down.</p><p>But Lucas never had any intention of Art films...his ego won't allow him to fade into relative obscurity..he needs the blockbuster hype...even while he despises the product...Lucas hates can see that in the toss away scripts for the prequels. He went out of his way to dumb down the SW universe, to appeal to the base, to deconstruct the world he created. I truely believe he only did the Prequels for the $$$, to piss off the original trilogy fans, and to stroke his ego. His reaction to the fans since his return has proven it, "you can't please everyone", "You can't make them happy", etc.... He knew these were shit before he made them...just like they knew Indy 4 was shit before they made that fuckin turd.</p><p>I have no problem with people making bank..I fucking love money myself...but at least give back a product worth the price paid...Lucas will NEVER get another cent from me, he didn't on Indy 4, and he won't on any future SW crap he produces.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    If you want to read a hilarious


    and informative breakdown as to what is wrong with the prequels, go here:<P><P>Good stuff.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Why not

    by Bellam

    do the show set so far behind or ahead of the known timeline that we're not constantly suffering this asinine need to revisit the same goddamn chain of events over and over and over again. For fuck sakes. <br><br>You know what's awesome about STAR WARS? Lightsabers. Sith. Jedi. The Sci-Fantasy milieu. <br><br>The one thing I can appreciate about STAR TREK is that it is an actual universe, not a restrictive timeline the creators are too terrified to move beyond, or too sure that the only thing interesting about it are the details no one asked for.<br><br>NERRRRRD RAAAAAGE.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Star Wars fanboys scares the bejesus out of me

    by AsimovLives

    They are so obsessed with their favorite franchise, that when one of them was given the reigns of Star Trek, he turned it into a Star Wars movie

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Trek fans scare me too!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    With their rambling on about TMP is the greatest movie ever. Shudder.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I get it now your handle now, Conspiracy

    by strosmer

    Everything is a conspiracy to you. Lucas is the fucking devil, isn't he? He put in all that time, money, and effort just to say "fuck you!" to his fans.<p>We'll need to agree to disagree here because I can't take anything you say seriously. I honestly feel that Lucas is gravely misunderstood, that he did have his heart in the prequels, and that they are quality films intended to please his audience, and only slightly flawed in their execution.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    You complaining about people being obsessed is hilarious.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    The Prequels weren't made for money ? , neither was Indy 4 ? <p> Yes GL has a tonn of money, but he is like many rich people, hell he is like most of us, there is never enough, we want more and more.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    set it after Return of the Jedi...

    by nonsensical

    I mean if they are going to emo teen angst the shit out of Star Wars they might as well make the focus Han and Leia's kids. Maybe even throw in Luke's kid and give Mark Hamill a job other than playing the Joker in cartoons.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Avatar is...

    by nonsensical

    James Cameron's furries and near perfect rip off of some of the shots from Delgo. The only reason he'll get away with it is because NO ONE saw Delgo. I mean seriously Delgo made less than 700K in a wide release and took just as long as Avatar to make. Enjoy it all you want but the reality is found here.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    CGI backlash is bull shit when it comes to Star Wars

    by thewirebitches

    Your making no friggin sense guys. Lucas used the tools that were available to him, creating worlds and characters that otherwise would be impossible, attempting to put what was in his head on the screen. Tell me that desert during the podrace doesn't look photo realistic, in broad fucking day light. That sequence is still breathtaking to watch, perfectly staged and edited. That poster was right about Lucas being a great action director. He is the best. I would say TPM has aged very well for being made now 10 years ago. Star Wars will always be around because the story and myths involved are primordial, ingrained in every human being.

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    nonsensical.....thats a ridiculous claim and

    by southafricanguy

    then some. It might actually hold some water were it not for the simple fact that Cameron wrote the original script for Avatar in 1995 (a very detailed scriptment that in fact is more like a early draft of a novel), a number of years before Delgo was even thought of. So please explain how thats possible? Does Cameron have a time machine then? Got to love fanboys and their conspiracy theories. "Screw the facts, those just get in the way of what I want to believe"....

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    geez, its like the ignorant head shoved up

    by southafricanguy

    their asses fanboys that think Cameron stole the title Avatar from the the last airbender because they are too ignorant to know that Cameron thought the whole thing up and named it Avatar years before that show existed too. Wow has Cameron gotten great milege out of that time machine of his that has allowed him to go back and steal all the best ideas huh?

  • Sept. 10, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Won't be Star Wars without

    by LeeMajors

    Lightsabers and Jedi. Or Stormtroopers for that matter. Or the Sith. I guess Palpatine could show up. But without any one of these things, could it work? Nnnnno.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    leemajors....i disagree dude, have nt we seen

    by southafricanguy

    enough Jedi, Sith, and stormtroopers in Star Wars by now? i always the Star Wars universe was supposed to be really big, with unlimited story potential. So is nt it time we saw SW done in a different way? I hope they focus on the criminal underworld of the SW universe. Imho it has nt been explored much on film, and it could be really interesting. bring on bounty hunters, crimelords, etc....

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    thewirebitches....dont waste your time telling

    by southafricanguy

    delusional fanboys that. There is a large segment of fandom that automatically throws its toys out the cot when cgi is used (not making any distinction between good or bad cgi, as if other types of fx are nt bad when done badly). Nevermind that there would be no other way to do a lot of what was done in the PT. But then its no different to the delusional fanboys that think Cameron did nt need to use cgi for Avatar, even though it would be absolutely impossible (in a practical and financial sense) to create an immersive and alien world, nevermind the insane action set oieces that Avatar will have. The Na'vi can run as fast as a cheetah, are 10 ft tall, and are very strong and agile. The mech armour is very fast and mobile, so how you can pull any of it off practically....But then there are still delusional fanboys that think Raimi commited a great sin by useing cgi for spiderman. Somehow they think a human stuntman is going to go flying at 100 mph between the skyscrapers of NY. AAh, if only reality was as fantastical as what goes on in their minds....

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I admit to an obsession. I was caused by severe trauma. It will take a very bad and hillarious sequel to cure it.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy, the real question is

    by AsimovLives

    have you seen District 9 yet? If not, let me describe it for you,using the words of some internet critics: "It's a blockbuster without the dumb". Encouraging, isn't it?<br><br>Abnd those who crack jokes at your girlfriend, they are just jealous, because you are dating a korean girl. They are the losers, and you rock. Korean girlfriend, alright!!!

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I am turning over a new leaf and not giving

    by lockesbrokenleg

    a rat's ass when prequel bashers come on and stir shit up. I like the movies, and they made shitloads of money, so I am happy. Eff people that can't enjoy themselves.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    and speaking of korean girls

    by AsimovLives

    you seen Blood: The Last Vampyre life action movie yet? I'm not one of those who watches movies only because of the actors, but the prospect of watching the super-lovely Gianna Ju (Jun Ji-hyun) kicking ass, even on a bad movie, is too big a temptation. God, that woman is beyond gorgeaus!

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Funny thing is, you will never find a Trekkie claiming that ST:TMP is the greatest movie ever. In fact, ST:TMP migth have more admirers outside of trekdom then in.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I'm proud of you

    by shran

    For a second there you talked about something other than Star Trek. Good on ya' mate!

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I have my moments.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    by Stabby

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    Wrong, buddy. Cameron's Avatar treatment, which contains highly detailed descriptions of the world and the imagery of the movie, is copyrighted 1995 to the WGAw, LONG before Delgo was ever a twinkle in its maker's eye. Its also been in production for years before Delgo came out. Let the makers of Delgo try to sue (and really all they're trying to get out of this is free publicity for their flop) - Cameron and Fox will counter-sue and claim that Delgo plagiarised concepts from them and the script that was floating freely around the net for over ten years. And they will win.<p>What really makes me laugh about these absurd comparisons is the following, though:<p>1) The fact that Delgo only bears superficial resemblance to Avatar in a few aspects, and the assumption that Delgo is itself 'original' when it liberally plagiarises generic fantasy concepts from numerous sources that have come before it. You might as well say Delgo was a rip-off of LOTR.<p>and b)How it shows the paucity of knowledge of supposed fan boys that their only point of reference is a minor animation from 2008. You do know there is a whole wealth of science fiction literature that explored many of the concepts contained in Avatar (and Delgo, video games, and nearly every other genre film ever made) decades ago. In fact, Avatar is heavily influenced by every sci-fi novel Cameron read as a kid, from Dune to John Carter of Mars to a short story called 'A Guy Named Joe', where a crippled astronaut (yes, just like Avatar and fucking Delgo) projects his consciousness into an alien body, and chooses to roam around an airless planet in it. What's next, are we going to get ignorant kids claiming that Avatar ripped off the Matrix because it features humans neurogically linking with alter-egos (whether virtual, or in the case of Avatar, literal), because they are too dumb to know that Avatar was written in 95, long before the matrix, halo, star wars prequels or anything else that's come down the pike in the last decade, or because these are well-trodden concepts in the sci-fi genre, and the fact that they think the matrix invented them (which was itself an amalgamation of many sci-fi works and concepts)? Please.<p>Some implied 'originality' has nothing to do with a genre work; its the specifics and how well a director/writer skillfully weaves together many different concepts to form his own vison. So let's leave out the ridiculous claims that Avatar ripped off Delgo. Next you'll be telling us some video-game (possibly the most derivative medium of the lot) was original, and Avatar ripped that off.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    strosmer says, "only slightly flawed in their execution"

    by Stabby

    Ha-ha-ha-ha!!! WRONG! Some backgorund: I am no fanboy. I can count on my hands the number of times I've seen all films in the entire series collectively. Also, I have a degree in Film. You don't need to be a fanboy or have a degree in film to realize that the prequels were total crap. You my friend have no taste in film.

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Sex and the Bespin City

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    introducing Grando Calrissian

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The West X-Wing

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    It should open up with a group of jedis

    by ThePilgrim

    meeting at a secret location. with yoda doing the whooe hologram thing. we find out that they are a small number of what remains of the last survivors, and what they do si simple they work togther to bring the empire down to build the rebel alliance and to save other jedi from the purge. Yoda can be heavily involved becuase he can be a hologram transmission, it might one day give up his location and maybe that will explain the evil force in the cave on Dago. The series needs to be somewhat like that. and they still should make a movie about the origins of the jedi and sith someday

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Magnum P.I - G 88


  • Sept. 11, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Miami Viceroy


  • Sept. 11, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Asimov...hows it going my friend? Allow

    by southafricanguy

    me to answer your questions. No, I have not seen D9 simply because its only coming out here in Korea in October believe it or not. When I am able to see it, I promise you wil be the first I give my opinion to. Second, That soiciopaths comments dont bother me in the slightest dude, who here actually believes that stargate obsessive nutjob has actually touched a women (at least one that does nt come with inflation instructions) let alone fucked anyone's girlfriend?

  • Sept. 11, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Oh, and yeah Asimov, Korean women are

    by southafricanguy

    something else. They are so damn sexy, its really hot here at the moment, and they all wear really tight and short clothes, and always with at least 6 inch heels. If it hepls dude my eyeballs are forever getting a damn good workout lol..

  • Sept. 12, 2009, midnight CST

    And since we are asking questions Asimov

    by southafricanguy

    what are your thoughts on the Avatar trailer?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Turd..hows it going dude? you pretty much

    by southafricanguy

    just nailed it with everything you said. But this is how childish, pathetic, and insanse fandom and the fanboys have become. They are either ignorant beyond belief and make the most factually incorrect claims/accusations they can suck out their thumbs so that they have something to attack either Cameron or Avatar with, or they are childish beyond belief...

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I might disapoint you with my answer, but the truth is that the Avatar trailer didn't filled me with much confidence. However, unlike many of the over-emotional girls in here, i jdon't jump into precipitated conclusions. No, i was not impressed, however i also think that this is the kind of movie that might be very hard to come by with a useful traielr that might reflect the movie. Because i think the trailer was made with still incomplete CGI, or the only CGI already rendered enough to be made into useful fotage for the trailer. I think that still this day they are still rendering the CGI, it's not finished.<br><br>So, while i was not impressed with the trailer, i'm still quiettly and cautiously optimistic about the movie. It's James Cameron, after all.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:33 a.m. CST

    As for korean babes

    by AsimovLives

    Everytime i see a korean movie, i get another sample of pure korean beauty awesomeness. I need to go there! I need to live there! What do korean women think of foreign men? What do they think of europeans?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Next korean movie i watn to see is Thirst

    by AsimovLives

    Is it any good, southafricanguy?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy and turdontherun...

    by nonsensical

    Facts. First: There is no such thing as a copyright with the WGA. You can only register with the WGA. This does not protect your copyright. Only filing a copyright with the library of congress does this. Second: Unless you are specifically asking for records from the WGA there is no way to get a copy of a registered work unless you are the person or persons who registered it. Third: If, as you say, Avatar was written in 1995 then that means James Cameron took time away from his busy schedule writing and researching filming techniques with his brother and then working on the massive film Titanic to write this extremely detailed treatment. Something, I highly doubt given the 1997 release date. Fourth: I could ask you what you looked up to get these records for the registration of "Avatar" with the WGA but you probably looked up "Avatar". Cameron copyrighted the work entitled "Project 880" in 2006. This is the shooting and working title for the film known as Avatar. If he registered this with the WGA in 1995 it would be under this name. Fifth: Delgo was copyrighted in 2001 and first conceived in 1996. Not as "long after" you say Cameron wrote Avatar as you would think. Delgo also began pre-production in 1998 and took more than a decade to make because of the small crew. Sixth: The first mention of Project 880 comes from an interview with James Cameron in 1997 asking what he follow up would be to the soon to be released Titanic. Turns out, the effects budget for Project 880 was projected at over $400 Million, so no studio would touch it. Seventh: Delgo storyboards and dalies were floating around the net long before Avatar ever went into production. Eighth: Not a fanboy, unless you count being a fan of good storytelling and original visuals. Something I have serious doubts about seeing in any modern film where the effects are the focus instead of the characters. So, given the facts and the actual copyright dates let's say the Delgo folks do decide to file suit. I'd wager that Fox will settle given the absolute failure Delgo was at the box office. When I say no one saw Delgo, I include myself in that generalization. However, given that you can't really copyright the staging of a film I highly doubt that there is much of a case. It just shows poor judgement on the part of Cameron's crew to "lift" the same staging from another film. Now, run along and check your facts.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    nonsensical....first dude, I never said anything

    by southafricanguy

    about the WGA, I know nothing about that, so tell me to check facts about claims I never made, I was simply agreeing witht he genral point Turd was making. All that aside, what difference does it make either way? You seem to still be missing the main point here, you say Delgo went into production long before what? Which part of Cameron wrote the script for Avatar in 94/95 and it then floated around on the internet for the next decade dont you get? And its not what we claim dude, its simple fact. I read the damn thing years ago in the 90s, I got it off the net. And I recognize everything I have seen in the trailer. So are you saying Delgo was in producrtion as far back as 94/95? Anyone could have lifted numerous ideas and concepts from the old Avatar scriptment, and as Turd pointed out its highly detailed. That you seem unaware of this, and then allude that we may be making this up tells me that if there is anyone that need to check their facts, its you buddy. So what difference does it make which film went into production first, or wether there is such a thing as a wga copyright?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST dear friend, heres what u need to

    by southafricanguy

    know: Korean women love foreign guys, being with a foreign guy is a big fantasy for many of them. It is very easy to date Korean women. But it must often be done somewhat discreetly as many Korean men really hate seeing Korean women with foreign guys. The foods great, the cost of living is cheap for the most part, is extremely safe there is very little crime and then its really only petty crime (gun ownership is outright banned),and its very modern and developed (great public transport, modern hi-tech facilities...)....Do yourself a favour dude, plan a trip to Korea some time...

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    oh and Asimov, you dont dissapoint me with

    by southafricanguy

    your answer because your respone is rational, and well thought out. Anyone that has checked various sites, blogs etc..can see that the reaction to the preview footage was very different, and that the trailer does not appear to be a very good representation of the film. Peter Travers (RollingStone mag film critic) has apparantly recently seen 40 mins of Avatar (and he was not impressed with the trailer at all) and he now says he firmly believes Avatar wil be a strong contender at the next Oscars for Cameron to get nommed as best director. Take that for what its worth...

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You are really making me want to visit Korea. It's not enough that i already think the korean girls super-sweet! The bigger problem for me, i suspec,t is not so much the stay expenses, but the travel expenses. You see, Koreal literally is half-way around the globe, i would need to make a 20 hours trip by plain, possible with ont one or two stops at New Delhi and Singapure. To think of having to spend so much time seated in a row, for a whole day.. wow!<br><br>Aside from the lovely ladies, and unless i'm terribly mistaken, is there much to see in Korea regarding monuments and ruins? I have this idea that Korea might be a bit defficit in that, maybe because of the japanese invasion and the civil war. i could be wrong. I certainly know that Korea offers a lot of natural landscape beauty. Ar ethe people naturally sympathetic and nice toward white foreigners? Would they know what a portuguese is? What says you?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    Apparently you missed the point, a fact with southafricanguy also noted. You can throw out copyright facts and make tenuous conections all you want (and even on those terms you are wrong) but the point is this - Delgo (which I have seen) bares little resemblance to Avatar other than generic fantasy aspects, and is hardly an 'original' work in and of itself- it cribs liberally from dozens of fantasy/sci-fi sources which came before it. So should it itself be sued? Why say Avatar ripped off Delgo? Why Delgo? Why not say Avatar ripped off sci-fi source material that it actually DOES resemble far more closely than Delgo, and which Delgo has also ripped off. You think the notion of a crippled main character in a wheelchair originated from Delgo? Or flying creatures being ridden? Are you kidding? Why not say Avatar has ripped off the first half of the Phantom Menace? Remember when the makers of a property called Dinotopia accused Lucas of plagiarism? You see what I'm getting at here? Anything can be said to resemble another, and all of it comes from much older sources regardless. What is this assumed propriety of broad concepts?<p>I very much doubt Cameron has even seen Delgo - but I sure bet the makers of Delgo stole from the leaked Avatar scriptment, as did Battle for Terra. I wouldn't make a meal of 'proving' it, though. It's simply of no consequence. Ever read 'Call Me Joe', a 1957 short story by Poul Anderson, a certain influence, amongst many others, for Cameron's film. Delgo is nowhere. The implied arrogance that a derivative animation like Delgo is somehow the proprietor of broad sci-fi/fantasy images/concepts, etc. is laughable, disrespectful to the sci-fi genre (Cameron was candid about being hevily influenced by 'every sci-fi worj he read as a youth', throwing it in a blender and out came Avatar) and exposes the myopic shortsightedness of our litigation happy culture. Unlike you, I see it exactly for what it is - a transparent attempt by a small studio to reap the glory of a potentially huge blockbuster, and legal trickery and loopholes (which you are indulging in despite the facts being presented to you clearly). I guess the Delgo fans/makers are banking on people's ignorance. Some of us are not so shortsighted and ignorant.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Secondly, Southafricanguy

    by TurdontheRun

    How are you? I don't post here as frequently anymore, just from time to time - I got bored with all the weirdoes and idiots, who I knew would come crawling out of the woodwork as soon as Avatar footage was shown (not that they weren't around even before!). Its better to let Avatar stew for a while - no point defending it to the ignorant... Its release will prove its greatness or not, but we'll have to endure the idiots until then.<p> Did you see the 'Avatar Day' footage? I enjoyed the trailer, but the difference actually seeing extended footage in 3D is like night and day. It's true that some of the trailer footage is unfinished, though.Believe me, the trailer, while good, doesn't do the movie justice(or what I've seen from it ).

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Funny how that works.

    by nonsensical

    Okay Southafricanguy, I'll give you the WGA info as having nothing to do with your post, but I'd rather address as many as I can all at once. That's why all that's there. You can take from my post what is relevant to you and discard the rest. <p> It seems "Avatar" is being "written" earlier and earlier. Kinda of interesting how that happens when it doesn't fit with you and TurdontheRun's idealized "in the know" point. <p> Now it's even funnier to think that Delgo's creators ripped off something that wasn't available to them as TurdontheRun seems to think. The point of what I posted was to show the uncanny parallels in staging between two films that took more than a decade to make. Especially given that only one of those two films was actually in production for most of that decade and it wasn't Avatar. <p> As far as why Delgo, that has more to do with how poorly that film did and how well Avatar is expected to do. I get that there is a great deal of material that has come before both Delgo and Avatar, but when it comes to how these films are staged it seems like a poor choice for Avatar to practically copy shots from Delgo even if the finished work "looks" better. <p> If you still don't get what I'm talking about, take a film studies course at your local college. They'll explain it.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Here Comes Greeeeeeedo!

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Band of Ewoks

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Pushing Jawas

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Avatar: Dances With Aliens

    by AsimovLives

    With CGI, drop ships and armoured robotic loaders.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    The matter is cut and dried

    by TurdontheRun

    Nonsensical, it isn't a matter of what you 'believe' to be true, or what southafricanguy or I 'believe' to be true, or 'idealize'. It is a FACT, a FACT that is on record from multiple sources, that Avatar was written in 1995. It has nothing to do with conjecture, or what you wish was the case.<p>"Delgo's creators ripped off something that wasn't available to them". No, it was quite freely available to them online, as it had been to anyone with internet access up until Lightstorm pulled the scriptment from various sites shortly prior to Avatar going into full-blown production.<p>"If, as you say, Avatar was written in 1995 then that means James Cameron took time away from his busy schedule writing and researching filming techniques with his brother and then working on the massive film Titanic to write this extremely detailed treatment. Something, I highly doubt given the 1997 release date." You can 'doubt' all you want. It's on record from various sources, and was known even back then. He could. He did. (also, you do know that directors have fingers in many pies and develop a ton of stuff simultaneously, don't you? Yes, they're quite busy chaps). <p>But I don't have to take anyone's word for it - I read the scriptment all the way back then myself. So did southafricanguy. So did many others. Cameron considered Avatar after True Lies (as he did Spider-man - good gawd, he surely couldn't have been writing/developing that as well, could he, by your logic?). He then considered it as an immediate follow up to Titanic. There were reports on Avatar on this site back in the late 90's and how Cameron was considering putting it into rapid production for summer 99 to get a jump on The Phantom Menace. Did we just collectively hallucinate all these things? Those must have been some strong mushrooms.<p>"Delgo was copyrighted in 2001 and first conceived in 1996. Not as "long after" you say "Cameron wrote Avatar as you would think" - yes, but still AFTER.<p>See, all of this is why SA guy, myself, and others of the more rational persuasion around here, get irate. One can have whatever opinion of Avatar, James Cameron, or anything else, that they like. That's purely subjective. But when people start coming on here and posting things that are mere supposition or completely false, or blatantly disregarding things simply to conform to what they want to see, then it acutely pisses off those of us who actually are in possession of the facts and know what they're talking about. That's the difference between us. Your points are all conjecture (or red herrings about writer's guild registrations and legalities). My points are based on the known facts; I then make logical points derived from that, not out of some blind misguided loyalty to sucking the Cameron cock (or in your case trying to lay a huge pile of shit all over his creation), however much I like the dude's movies. See the difference (and no film school will help you with that if you don't)? Or do you simply agree with Reagan's dictum that "facts are stupid things"?

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST


    by nonsensical

    Prove it. <p> Everything I have said can be backed up with real hard facts. Show me your facts. Not the second hand conjecture that you are spouting but actual facts. <p> I can prove what I say using the database at the library of congress and actual interviews and production diaries readily available. <p> Where are yours? <p> James Cameron? Is that your source? An interview with Entertainment weekly AFTER he began production? That ever so accurate Wikipedia? Is that your source? <p> It surprises me that you think you know more than you actually do and that this is what should be considered "fact" instead of actual documentation, which to you must be dismissed as "conjecture" since it does not fit within the neat little world created by your common knowledge "facts". <p> If you want to just stick to the facts, Cameron's Avatar was copyrighted after Delgo. That's a point of fact. If the similarities compel the creators of Delgo to file suit against Avatar then this simple fact of copyright date gives them far more legal weight than the conjecture Cameron claiming I did it first and the WGA backs me up. <p> Not only that but the Digital Copyright Act of 1998 lend even more legal ammunition since Delgo posted Digital Dailies on their production website in 2001. Six years before Avatar ever went into production.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    turd....hey dude, im fine how about you.

    by southafricanguy

    dont worry I dont post much anymore either, also just gotten bored with wasting my time talking to a certain type of lunatic fanboy that comes from that segment of Fandom. And just bored with talking to people that have never read the scriptment but have "expert" opinions on all things Avatar (like that twit that went on for months that there would be no guns of any kind in the film despite being told otherwise by those of us that had read the scriptment).

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Nonsensical...whatever dude, you keep fighti

    by southafricanguy

    ng that good fight for Delgo. Good luck with that. I got the scriptment off the internet in 97 and thats when I read it, and its dated 1995 btw. I only went 94/95 simply because some internet sources claim 1994 (However Cameron has said 1995) not because im making it earlier and earlier. For the most part I have yet to see you offer a substantial rebuutal to the many valid points Turd made, i.e your specious (to say the least) claim that the scriptment could nt have been written in 95 because Cameron was busy with Titanic. Turd pretty much proved you completely wrong there. You know he also wrote the spiderman scriptment around this time? Funny how you did nt cop to being wrong there....hmmmm. But I guess we must be making that up too.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Asimov.....yeah, its a damn long flight, no d

    by southafricanguy

    oubt about it. its over 20 hours for me if im flying from South Africa. To answer your questions, Unfortunatly you are right about the ancient buildings, the Japanese destroyed most of Korea's ancient bulidings for no other reason than to spite them. Though it was also part of their attempt to destroy Korean culture, and the language with the intention of turning the Koreans into Japanese. However some did survive. In seoul there is part of the Imperial palace that survives, and while its only a small part left, it is quite beautiful. Also there are ancient military fortresses close to Seoul that were used hundreds of years ago to defend Korea from the Japanese (who seem to have had a thing for invading Korea throughout history). Also, there are beautiful thousand year old Budhist temples in the mountains that survive, and they are amazing imho.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    the people are generally welcoming and

    by southafricanguy

    nice to foreigners, you would have nothing to worry about there. But I dont think they would be too familiar with Portugal. Almost all foreigners here are from English speaking countries, so they are mostly familiar with Americans, Canadians, Australians etc...

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST I did not see the preview footage as

    by southafricanguy

    there was no showing of it in Korea where I live. But from what I have read on all the film sites, and seen of all the numerous "reviews" on youtube, and from a number of well known film critics (most of which also were not impressed with the trailer), it seems clear that its an entirely different experiance. And that people need to stop having a hissy-fit about the trailer, chill the fuck out, and just wait to see the actual film before making grand proclamations about its quality or lack thereof....radical thought I know...

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    talking about something other than Abrams' Star Trek is so refreshing. He actually seems like a nice guy.

  • Sept. 12, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Everything is Based on Something Else

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Hell, if it worked for Shakespeare? There's nothing more Derivative than Star Wars or Star Trek. Why should Avatar and/or Delgo be any different?

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    cymbalta....exactly dude. But that is Turd's

    by southafricanguy

    whole damn point. Even if we disregard every other issue How can the makers of Delgo so arrogantly claim to own the sci-fi fantasy concepts/imagery as if they invented it all even though its all so much older than either Delgo or Avatar. At least Cameron has been honest about his inspirations and "borrowing". The makers of Delgo seem to think they are purely original based on their ridiculous lawsuit.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    And Yeah, Asimov is actually a cool guy, and

    by southafricanguy

    very knowledagable about film. Its just JJ's Trek that gets him all riled up lol...

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    for me, the Jar Jar Abrams abomination is just one important exa

    by AsimovLives

    of how movies SHOULD NOT BE, and a perfect example of the worst from Hollywood, and a terrible indication of the direction Hollywood movies could be going in the future. And that does not sit too well with me, you can bet on that. Besides, the movies sucks.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    exa = example

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    First, thanks for the kind words.<br>Second, about korean monuments, it's as i feared them. i though i was exagerating the thing, but it seems the destruction of the ancient bulldings in korea was a real thing and at the scale i feared.<br>Well, as for the subject of me being a Portuguese in Korea, i bet there is a very good explanation for that, in that there has not been much intercultural and historical intecaction between Portugal and Korea. In the past, specially during the era of the discoveries, Portugal made a lot of contact and commerce with China and Japan (we were the first european to set foot on the nipponic islands). But Korea was never in our map of interests. I also suspect that back then korea was going one of it's dark ages pediods, of which it seems it had quite a lot of them. A funny thing particulary since Korea features some of the most ancient permanent settlements known to archeology. Or maybe because of tha,t it's very long and ancient history.<br><br>I'm going to be honest to you and about korea, in that, besides the post WWII Civil War (the korean war), i knew next to nothing about the country, and i didn't even cared. And when people started talking about korean movies, at first i laughed. I have been a long time fan of Japanese movies, thanks to the usual suspects like Kurosawa, and i had been discovering chinese movies from the chinese new wave. But korean cinma for me was somethign that looked like the butt of some joke.<br><br>Until i saw Oldboy. And the rest is history. Nowdays, korean cinema is simply one of my favorite national cinema. For me, korean cinema means excelency and quality. Even their "average" mvoies looks good and awesome and darn interesting, and most important, made by smart people who think the audiences are smart people. Can't beat that.<br><br>I'd like to ask you something: if i went to korea and i could name my fave korean movies and some of the directors and actors, you think the koreans would like that? And the girls? I means, since they might not know what Portugal or a portuguese is, right?

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Asimov....unfortunatly there is no exaggeration

    by southafricanguy

    of the level of destruction Japan did to Korea. Believe me when I tell you that many Koreans despise the Japanese. And for much of its history Korea was known as the "hermit kingdom" due to them closing themselves off from the outside world. And that has actually been the case for much of Korea's history. Korea only really opened itself up to the outside world in the 1990s actually. Before that it was not very open either, though that was also due to the fact that Korea was basically ruled by a military dictatorship (something I guess you can relate to being Portuguese).

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    So in a lot of parts of Korea you can expect to

    by southafricanguy

    get stared at like you just stepped out of a space ship lol...As for your question, you have to remember that not all Koreans can speak english, they all study it, but few can really communicate well. Though most well educated women can speak at least some English. I guess Koreans would like you knowing Korean actors and directors names as they are very proud of their film industry. Also, they never expect foreigners to be familiar with anything Korean because Korea is still Asia's best kept secret, its no-where as well known in the west compared to Japan and China, and Koreans know this. When My Korean gf went to South Africa with me on vacation she was constantly greeted by people who would always ask if she was Chinese or Japanese. This really pisses Koreans off because it shows such ignorance to assume all Asian people are either Chinese or Japanese, nevermind that the Koreans look nothing like the Chinese, or the Japanese for that matter....

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Now i'm going to sound like a complete ignroant fuck, but the thign is, many koreans can pass for japanese or chinese. So much so, that if you didn't knew better, Gianna Ju can pass for a japanese in Blood: The Last Vampyre and nobody would know better unless if it was mentioned.<br><br>However, saying that, there are certain physiologic types which are undeliable from certain asian countries. there is a certain "chinese type" which looks not much at all like the japanese. There's japaneses which look nothing like chinese. Maybe in the future, and after watching and rewatching korean movies, i might get to understand better the specific general korean physionomy. I could venture in that, overall, koreans seem to tend to have a more round type face then the japanese. But i could be very wrong. Gianna Ju, korean that she is, she has i suspect more angular face lines then most of her fellow korean actresses. And naturally straighter hair.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I wouldn't mind much gettign stared at by the koreans. If that would help make them have a nicer attitude to me, just because of curiosity, i'd be OK. I might evne welcome the attention, specially from the hotties, if you know what i mean.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by nonsensical

    I'll admit, a person can do more than one thing at a time, it is possible that Cameron wrote the scriptment for Avatar but given how truly busy he was with other things I have my doubts that he did this in 1995. <p> Especially given that at this time he was producing and editing strange days and doing the tour junket that always follows the film release. <p> Then of course all the research and submersible diving he did for Titanic's pre-production with his brother. Along with all the pre-production, production, writing and directing work he did on the T2 3D ride and Titanic. <p> So, sure in all that and more he found time to write this massively detailed work that at the same time he wrote one for Spiderman. Which, in fact he wrote a scriptment for Spiderman in 1992 not 1995 and three years is not around the same time. <p> Then of course there is the other fact that when interviewed in 2007 by Entertainment Weekly about Avatar, James Cameron said he came up with the idea 11 years ago. Not specifically stated as 1995 but abstractly inferred as around then. However, last I checked 11 from 2007... that would be 1996. <p> Asked and answered.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Nonsensical.....fair enough. You are of course

    by southafricanguy

    right about the spiderman scriptment. I simply mentioned it as an example of how many scripts/scriptmentsd Cameron has wriiten (far more than he has actually filmed) but I had forgotten when He actually wrote it. As fir the Avatar scriptment, as i said aside from my copy of the scriptment clearly dated 1995,

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Nonsensical ....fair enough about the spider

    by southafricanguy

    man scriptment, I had actually forgotten when it was written, I just used it as an example of how many scripts Cameron has written (far more than he has actually filmed). As for Avatar scriptment, well aside from the copy I have dated 1995, I have old sci-fi/film mags (cinescape, Starlog) that mention Avatar around 95/96. Thats how I found out about it and then later found it on the net in about 97 as far as I remember. So the fact still remains that Cameron did write it then unless there is truly conclusive proof to the contrary. Also, your argument about him being too busy, no dice pal. Remember that while he was doing all that deep sea diving for Titanic, he would have spent hours in those submarines going down, going back up, getting decompressed etc...Sounds like a lot of free time for him to have written a lot.

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    and you should be aware that Pandora and the

    by southafricanguy

    alien creatures, and especially the bioluminesence that occurs at night, are all very heavily influenced by the ocean. That is made clear in the scriptment, and interesting how that matches with where Cameron's head was at the time....

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Asimov.....actually Koreans generally have

    by southafricanguy

    more sharp, angular features, while the Chinese have round faces. Also the Koreans are taller than the Chinese and the Japanese. Lighter skin tone too generally speaking. Dont worry about sounding ignorant, untill you have spent some time in Asia, it can be a bit difficult to know what the differences are. But after a while they become quite obvious. And yeah the staring and attention from hotties is quite fun

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    But ultimatly Nonsensical, I believe we are

    by southafricanguy

    arguing semantics here, as given the various time frames, and other info, Its highly unlikely there has been any copying by either side, instead it seems clear that they have simply been influenced by many of the same things. I think Turd did a very good job of pointing out the use of all those concepts in source material far older than both. Otherwise should nt Delgo be sued too?

  • Sept. 13, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST also have to keep in mind that

    by southafricanguy

    the names of Korean films are not direct translations, for example that great monster movie "the Host" is simply called "Monster" in Korean. So if you were to use the English names for Korean movies they would not know what films you were talking about....

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    and one thing is for damn sure, the reasons

    by southafricanguy

    behind this lawsuit are very suspect. The makers of Delgo relesed it into 2000 theatres with almost no advertising. perhaps if they had released into fewer theatres, and thus spent less on prints, they may have actually had a bit of money to spend on advertising...but thats just me. Their whole approach is an amazing display of hubris (a wide release for an animated film that has a name that makes it sound like a South American art house film) and stupidity (the aforementioned no advertising). And what happened? The biggest flop for a wide release of all time (though it probably did nt help that the movie was nt particularly good based on the general reaction to it. 13% at RT!?) And a flop that big means a bankrupt animation studio. So now why would they try to sue Cameron? Could it be to try and recoup some cash? To try and save themselves from being completely fucked? This lawsuit is as ridiclous as their approach to releasing their film...

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Orcus will try to watch this

    by orcus

    but Kayne West keeps hogging up the remote

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If it is not too much an indiscretion, can i ask you a personal question? Are you Afrikaner? And how come a south african mannged to get to live in South Korea? And is it hard to learn the language? As for how you mannaged to get yourself a cool korean girl, well, you already answered that question, i believe.

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Hey Asimov, no im not an Afrikaaner, Im part

    by southafricanguy

    of the 75 of South Africa's population that are native aeanglish speakers. I live and work in Korea teaching English at private institutes and for employees of Samsung. There is massive demand here (as in much of Asia) to learn English. Also, in the course of teaching English you meet many Korean women (they especially want to learn English).

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    What do you do Asimov?

    by southafricanguy

  • Sept. 14, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    oops, sorry that was meant to say 7%

    by southafricanguy

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    So you are a white south african from english descent. From Cape Town or whereabouts? And were you a teacher in south Africa before you emmigrated?<br><br>I'm a court clerk, that's my job. Nothing glamorous, and too much responsability for my pay, if you know my meaning. I wish i knew english very well, so i could go to Korea and help the lovely korean ladies in their predictement. Though to tell you the truth, i still have a lot of trouble accepting the korean cars as good things. Hyndai and Kia are still not car brand names i really trust as see as marks of quality. Give me an european or japanese car anyday. Lovely ladies, suspect cars, great movies, that Korea for me.

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Lol Asimov....I get your meaning about way

    by southafricanguy

    too much responsibilty for the pay. Be careful with the car comments though dude, Koreans are very proud of all their brands/products. Actually they are very nationalistic about everything lol. To answer your questions, Yes I am a white South African, but Half my family is Afrikaans speaking (the afikaaners are either of Dutch or French descent) So on my fathers side I am of Irish descent, and on my mothers side, French descent. I am from Cape Town (born and bred) but I have not emigrated to Korea, I am just living and working here for a few years. I am not a teacher by profession at all. I majored in Sociology and Communication science in University. And I used to work in a corporate enviroment for the largest cellphone company in SA. You dont need to be a teacher to get a work visa to teach in Korea, you just have to have a university degree and be a native english speaker. Though it helps in getting the best jobs if you are experianced in teaching beforehand. I did a lot of training at the company i worked at, so thats basically like teaching. So I have been able to get good jobs here.

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    So you work at the courts? That must be somewhat

    by southafricanguy

    stressful. Do you know much about law? If so I would be curious to know your thoughts on what I consider to be this ridiculous lawsuit from the makers of Delgo

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Point taken about the cars. Of couerse, i would not go to the country and start insulting their cars, i'm not hat crazy. It's just that... well, when you have the cars that exist in Europe/UK, the korean stuff is just... well, not very good. Except the Kia C'eed, that little car is doing pretty good, even Top Gear likes it, and they are avowed enemies of all things korean (well, they also liked the Hyundai coupé too).<br><br>You got a pretty interesting mixture running in your veins. Is that common, such a mixage amoung white south africans?<br><br>i also majored in Sociology. Well, technically, it's aplied social Science,s but sociology was the major component of it, to the extent that i tell people i majored in sociology, so they can understand better. But i also had classes on Communication, Statistics, Media, and even Anthropology. This also means that, like you, i had to learn the Scientific Methode, which is one of the reasons i'm very particular and peculiar to objectivity and being strict in the use of scientific terminology, and moreover, to get upset and tend to correct bad use of scientific terminology by the geeks in here.<br><br>My knowledge oflaw is limited to the procedual codes. Since i'm neither a lawyer, a public prssecutor or a judge, i don't need to bwe knowledgable about the law, but i neeed to know the procedual law codes that command the court processes procedual. But i tell you this, my country adopted the german code, which means that unlike the anglo-saxon law, it's codified into articles, instead of being dependent on precedent. Adn worst, the civil class act suites are extremely codified and the law is very strict on them. and rarely one goes to award, in full, the plaintiff's demand. so much so, the end result is the plaitiffs to pay a lot in prodecual costs, soemtimes evne more then the peop,e they demand agaisnt. It's no easy bag indemnity civil actions in here.<br><br>As for the delgo case, from what i could learn, it soulds like a whole bunch of horseshit. This is not like when Harlan Arliss sued Cameron. Arliss had a real case for it. The Delgo case seems a whole bunch of bullshit. That's what i think, but i could be wrong.

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    So, how 'bout that SW TV show?

    by orcus


  • Sept. 16, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    God forbid SW is brought up in a SW tb

    by orcus

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    it's only memories of murder again Orcus

    by just pillow talk

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by AsimovLives

    Somewhere, the real memories of murder is laughing at your stupidity. It is hillarious.

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Orcus tried laughing

    by orcus

    But Kayne West interrupted him

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck is Kayne West?

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    he's related to Kanye West

    by orcus

    Typo. Orcus' bad. You might want to google his name for the footage but in short, he made a dick out of himself during the VMA's. Orcus doesn't normally bother with that bullshit, but damn if it wasn't funny.

  • Sept. 16, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by orcus

    Orcus woke up one morning and his dickishness was all over the news. Forget what happened in the world, the man with cropcircles carved into his head makes the headlines. Go figure

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Hey Asimov....Im the same about holding thin

    by southafricanguy

    gs to an Empirical standard. Its exactly why I get so irate with morons that pass their opinion off as fact, and dont seem to understand the difference. And geez does that go on a lot on this site, even when said opinions are based on clearly factually incorrect information, re claiming Cameron stole idesa from Delgo, even though the scriptment was written in 95, and then floated around the internet for years. If anyone stole it was more likely the makers of Delgo. Cameron would be well within his rights to counter sue

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    The odd mix is fairly common among sout afri

    by southafricanguy

    cans. We really are a bunch of mongrels out there lol...

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    So where inPortugal do you live Asimov?

    by southafricanguy

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    wow Asimov, cant believe there are people

    by southafricanguy

    on that Superman talkback that think the Matrix is a bad film. Geez, fandom and fanboys have become fucking pathetic. I truly dont think they can tell the difference anymore between good and bad. Its all about who can shout the loudest and come up with the most contrarion/ovr the top comments and judgements. Goes a long way to explaining the online fandom reaction to Avatar. Thank fuck fanboys are nt vital to a films success, and its the mainstream that ultimatly matters, because fanboys are so full of shit imho that I can only imagine at the garbage we would get if fandom actually did run Hollywood. It would be nothing but movies about the toys, comic books and computer games they had as kids...

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Btw I think that while flawed, Superman return

    by southafricanguy

    s was a well made and classy film that at least felt like it was made for adults.

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    fret not drippy whore...

    by just pillow talk

    Everyone laughs at you all the time.<p>And Superman Returns is not a good film, a quite boring film that is a regurgitation of the Donner films with a very flimsy 'evil' plan.

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    for the record I agree with you about the regur

    by southafricanguy

    gitation of the Donner films being a huge weak point to it. But what the hell are you talking about "drippy whore"??

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    not to you southy...

    by just pillow talk

    directed at Asimov, aka memories of murder.

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    did my fanboy comments hit too close to

    by southafricanguy

    home pillow talk? Sorry to shatter your delusions, but its you and your fellow over reacting crybaby internet nerds that everyone is laughing at. Try to not let yourself believe that these talkbacks are indicative of what goes on in the real world...

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    oh, well then just disregard any of my ire, sorr

    by southafricanguy

    y, I thought you were talking to me dude...

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST problem Southy

    by just pillow talk

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Didn't like Superman Returns JPT?

    by orcus

    It was OK, if it was on TV Orcus would watch it. Orcus liked the plane part which looked like an update from the first Superman movie. That it was just dang creepy on how the lead looked like Christopher Reeves though.

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    nope, not one bit

    by just pillow talk

    I'm not a Supes fan to begin with, but I didn't like the lack of originality, same old villain, lack of action, not sure what the point of the kid was, him stalking Lois, miscast of Lois, and lack of scale.

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Im a fan of Supes, but to be honest I dont

    by southafricanguy

    believe any of the films have done it justice. I truly believe the Donner films are quite overrated, though Reeves was iconic (he made those films work imho). And while I maintain that SPR was a well made classy film that at least treated the audiance like adults, it really was stupid the way it followed all the story beats of Donner's films. It was a loose remake basically. I would still love to see someone finally make a great Supes movie ala Nolan's Batman films...

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    orcus, whats with the talking about yourself

    by southafricanguy

    in the third person? Are you a rapper? lol

  • Sept. 17, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Long story

    by orcus

    It starts in the past.......

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Orcus is like julius Caesar and Napoleon

    by AsimovLives

    they also talked about themselves in the 3rd person. Only very important men in history do that. what you guys don't know is that orcus is the inventor of the washing machine. Respect him!

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's uncanny how your opinion on the Superman movies and SR in particular.<br><br>One of my major problem with the Donner Supes movie is that they turned Lex Luther into a clown, a complete figure of comedy. so much so that when his grand evil scheme is revealed, it clashes with the clown baffon who went before. That was corrected in Singer's movie, where, even though Luthor is still presented in a comedic way, it's a far darker and harsher comedy, and sometimes he even looks dangerous and near murderous. In Singer's movie, you can believe that Luthor could kill you just on a whim.<br<<br>The more time passes, the more a realize that Christopher Reeves was the best thing in the Donner and the previous Superman movies. The more time passes, the more I appreciate his work in those movies. He did brough legitimacy on the role. I was never a fan of superman, but Reeves made me care for him, he broigh, for the lakc of a better word, a humanity to the character which i think was not on the page, not in that way were we could see a character instead of just an icon.<br><br>I never liked Superman much. i find him a character very hard to sympathise or to emphatise. But Reeves made me like Superman, made me care for him. No small feat as i'm concerned. And attribute that sucess of that to Reeves acting.<br><br>While i don't like superman, i think there's a lot of potential to him. i think that most of the time, supermna has always been presented form the point of view of the demi-god, or the boy scout. Maybe because i'm portuguese, maybe because i'm from a country whihc had a lot of emmigrants who went to other countriews seeking a better life, as you cna telel form how many portugueses reside and work in South Africa, so I'd like to see Superman as seen from the perspective of him being an ALIEN, who is obsessed to fit in, to be part of humanity, to be like a human, to have this near-neurotic desire to fit in with the Earth's morals and do-right. Superman was created by two young jewish men, he was based on Moses, and there's much into Superman's dedicated americanism that reminds how much effort many eastern european jew emmigrants who fully embraced the notion of the americna Way to a much higher enthusiasm then the local established native residents. I'm reminded of the story about Louis B. Mayer, himself a Belarusian jew from Minsk, who always celebrated his aniversary at the 4th of July (after he emmigrate to USA, he never told his real aniversary day, and to this day it's still unknown).<br><br>I'd like to see a Supermna movie where this would be the cental theme, the center from which the movie revolved, with the colourful super-villains being the added flavour to the adventure. i guess this would be like a Superman movie in a similiar dramatic philosophy to the Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, though not the presentation, more fantasy oriented.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    In answer to your other question, i was born and live in the city of Almada. It's situated south of the capital Lisboa, on the other side of the river Tagus (Tejo in portuguese)<br><br>This in itself as a joke and a clear demosntration of the complete retarded ignorace stupidity of those rednecks Lost Jarv and his dick sucker just pillow talk, which makes this retard stupid coments about Oporto, when in fact i live 500 km from the place. I guess when one is retard, the only thing they can know about portugal is oporto. which in itself is retard, because the real name of the city is Porto. It's like triple retardness at work. You got to love to see the mind of a retard redneck at work, always good for a laught.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Asimov, dont worry dude i have been called a

    by southafricanguy

    racist just for being South African on these talkbacks, i ve been told that my family should go to hell because im South African, that i am to blame for betraying Zimbabwe etc...the level of ignorance and hateful bile you can encounter on these talkbacks in truly unreal....

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    btw Asimov, a couple of questions for you....

    by southafricanguy

    What do you believe to be Cameron's best film? What areyour favourite trek films (even though I know you are nt a big fan)? What do you think of the Na'vi design? They have really grown on me, They look like something out of the pages of Heavy Metal mag to me, which imho is pretty cool. Do you know Heavy Metal mag Asimov? And lastly, what are your thoughts on Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes?

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Question 1: In my mind, Cameron's best movie is The Abyss. This is not a very conventional answer.<br><br>Question 2: My fave trek movie is Star Trek: The motion Pictures. Sure, i enjoy the usual suspects (except ST4: Voyage Home) and i think Star Trek 3 is terribly underrated. In fact, i rate all that the odd numbered Trek movies to be bad to be complete dogmatic retard bullshit.<br><br>Question 3: Too early to tell anything about the Na'vi's design. It will really need to see them in motion in the movie to get a better idea. Sure, i could complain that they aren'tt hat alien looking, they are still too humanoid looking, with some feline characteristics thrown in, but then if i had to complain about that, i would need to complain about the vast majority of movie and Tv aliens ever created in SF. Well, literature too.<br><br>Question 4: I know Heavy Metal, though mostly from the french edition, Metal Hurlant. It was thanks to that that i started to appreciate and love the work of Moebius, aka, Jean Giraud.<br><br>Question 5: What i think of the new Sherlock Holmes movie? you really waht to know? you waht to know what are my thoughs about it, after watching the trailer an dreading the interviews? i think it's going to be a piec eof shit. I think it's going to be retard. I think it will be another fucking action movie pretending to be something else, in this case, pretending to be a sherlock Holems story. I think it's going to be Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek of the winter. I hope i'm really very very wrong about it. But man, the bad vibes i get from it are Terminator Salvation bad! and thisdays, it has became a rare occurence when i have a bad feeling about a movie and it surpases my (low) exceptations. I'm sorr,y but this new Sherlick Holmes movie, i can only see bad, dumb and useless. Or maybe the trailer is really very fucking awful and the director and actors can't help saying dumb stuff to the press.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You know what i liked the most about the previous Superman movies? Christopher Reeves. I think the man mannaged to project into superman an human quality which i don't think existed in the script, which takes great pains to present him as an all-american icon and a boy scout. I never connected or sympathised with superman much, but Reeves made me care for him, whihc is a true testement of the man's skills as an actor. I know undertands that i have terribly underrated him as an actor.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Asimov...agree with you about Reeves, he is

    by southafricanguy

    sadly missed. I think he made those films iconic by making Superman so appealing, and possibly even more iconic. For the record Ithink Routh did a good job of stepping into an almost impossible role to follow. But there will always only be one Superman as far as im concerned....

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    hmm, interesting answers. I love the Abyss

    by southafricanguy

    myself, but the best for me is Aliens simply because I believe it to be the best sequal ever made. Its so completely and absolutely different while staying completely linked to the first film and clearly occupying the same universe. Cameron's genius with Aliens imho is that in no way does he try to compete with Scott, he simply made a completely diffrent genre (alien,creeping horror-aliens,all out action). So much so that you really cant compare the two films, they are both just brilliant imho

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    agree with you about the odd numbered treks

    by southafricanguy

    its not really true. I like the DC of TMP, but I can see why the theatrical had a poor reputation for a long time. 3 is indeed underrated. personally I Love the undiscovered country, trek doing what it does best..allegory. Plus its a fairly good whodunnit imho. And FC is a nice trek doing Aliens. Frakes (director of FC said he was told to steal from the best, so he stole from Cameron).

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    plus the Borg are just really cool villains imho

    by southafricanguy

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    you pretty much summed up my feelings for

    by southafricanguy

    sherlock holmes, I have read the script, and believe me dude, its very dumbed down. I knew the mystery about half way through which meant I was way ahead of Sherlock. Yikes!....that is something an audiance should never be.....

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Good lord, audiences ahead of sherlock holmes! That kinda defeats the porpose, doesn't it?<br<<br>For me, Sherlock Holmes will always be Jeremy Brett in the epochal Granada TV british series The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes. I trust you guys, who were once one of the colonies, got to see that show as well. As media depiction of ol' Holmes, it's unbeatable. It's definitive.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    For me, the definitive Sherlock Holmes is Jeremy Brett in the epochal Granada TV british show The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes. I'm sure since you are from one of the colonies, you got to watch it back at your country. That show and Brett's performance are the definitive representation of Holmes as movies and TV series are concerned.<br><br>I dig Robert Downey Jr, but i'm affraid he will bite more then he can chew with this role. And the movie looks more like a Leathal Weapon set in victorian england then anythign that one could take for a sherlockean adventure. The only positive thing i have to say about the movie-to-be is that i really like the casting of Jude Law as a more energetic Doctor Watson. And with a dashing moustache! Good lord, i feel like what i think of Jar Jar Abrams's Scurvy Trek, in that the only truly good thing i have to say about it is the casting of an actor, Zachary Quinto, as Spock.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: First Contact

    by AsimovLives

    You know, i can understand why you like that mvoie so much. Because i kind agree with you on that, but in that i think that is an HALF a darn good movie. And that half is the part of the movie that deals with the Borgs and their infiltration on the enterprise, and joy that is to see Patrick Steward as Picard acting the shit out of his role. The dude gets to do everything, from emoting to kicking ass, but most important of all, quoting from Moby Dick with the voice of God.<br><br>The other half of the movie, however, is this lame goofy comedy about the crew of the enterprise meeting the inventor of the warp drive. It sits so ill with what if happening above at the enterprise, one can get the idea that we are watching two enterily different movies. Which we are. I which i could like ST:FC more, but i just can't. I still love the hell out of all the Picard stuff, though. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Cameron on Aliens

    by AsimovLives

    When Cameron made Aliens, he was at awe of Ridley Scott's work on Alien. Stories tell that he got obsessed with the movie, and he watched it repeatedly to try to understand what Scott did.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    The funny thing about Alien is that

    by AsimovLives

    in terms of story structure and mood, it's an almost exactlt copy from Tobe Hopper's The Texas Chain saw Massacre. Alien follows, beat by beat, TTCSM ploting and narrative structure. Well, it's notto be too suprise,d because ridley Scott said that when i tried to find inspiration for his movie, and unknown to the studios, he went to watch TTCSM 3 times so he could understand what the "most horrific movie ever made" did right and follow it's lead.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Huzzah for Jeremy Brett !

    by orcus

    Mark this on your calender folks AsimovLives and Orcus agree on something. Besides Orcus talks in 3rd person do to an odd time traveling incident Where Orcus ran into a previous incarnation of himself when the AICN coninuum was resetting itself. Needless to say it was very jarring. That and Orcus thinks there is residual damage from getting hit with the banhammer to many times on the head

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Now Orcus has to travel back in time again

    by orcus

    And get the patent for the washing machine. And learn to add periods to the end of his sentences

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    i like you, Orcus

    by AsimovLives

    You are one of god's own originals. when you were made, god broke the mould afterwards.

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Well Orcus does has his charms

    by orcus

    Makes up for the pointed ears, claws and scaly backside and such. That and Orcus is the social sort

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST


    by orcus

    If we had Rickey Henderson and Freds Balls in the same Tb, ho-ley shit, madness will reign supreme

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    scaly backside rocks

    by AsimovLives

  • Sept. 18, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Asimov, you make some good points

    by southafricanguy

    about first contact. Actually South Africa had a huge falling out with England decades ago, and we really hate being referred to as the colonies. So we never bought and showed BBC tv on our tv. Thus Sherlock holmes that you speak of has never been seen there. I also love RDJ, but the script is truly bad, and I dont trust mr Madonna one damn bit. Always saw him as a pale Tarantino clone. The villain is a cartoon character, no motivation for what hes doing, and hs plan is something we have seen so many damn times now. Its basically the same plan as the villain in Shangai Knights (chackie chan movie). But personally I think its going to get clobbered by Avatar anyway...

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What is not going to be clubbed by Avatar?<br><br>Well,from what you say, it seems that 100 years after, your country is still feeling the reverbations from the Boer War. Wow!<br><br>One question: are the english descendent south africans still seen a bit suspiciously from the rest of the white south africa?<br><br>As or the expression "The colonies", i stretched it a bit. In fact, the english use the expression "The Colonies" to refer to the USA, and they call americans "the colonials". i find that hysterical. The british car TV show Top Gear occasionally call the americans the colonist and the USa the colonies, and it always crackes me up.<br><br>By the way, you watch Top Gear? It's simply the best car TV show in the world, and the most watched. With good reason. It's also hillarious. It's a car show which beats most comedies on the laught department. And it's also darn informative,adn the cars they show, they are dreams!<br><br>Speaking of which, are you a car enthusiast? Do you own a car, and which brand and model? And which car you would really want to own?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Hey Asimov.....yeah the way the English still

    by southafricanguy

    refer to America as the colonies and Americans as colonials is hilarious. But the British do have a bad habit of still seeing a lot of the world in that way. Most of them dont mean any offence by it, but they really do need to change that mindset imho.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST English speaking South Africans are

    by southafricanguy

    nt viewed in a suspicious manner, as we are all clearly South African, we all make jokes at the British's expense lol. And all english speakin South Africans can speak and understand Afrikaans and vise versa. Ultimatly it does nt really matter if you are Afikaans speaking, English speaking or of Portuguese descent for that matter (lots of you guys around, all the expats from Angola and Mozambique). Though there is a type of rivalry between the different language groups, its nothing hostile. Our problems are all way more to do with skin color unfortunatly....

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Sorry Asimov, what I know about cars is dang

    by southafricanguy

    erous lol. I dont actually own a car, is nt necessary here in Korea, the public transport system is so damn good. And its cheap, it would just be an unnessecery waste of money for me to own and maintain a car that I would hardly use. The traffic in Korea is also so damn heavy that it useally takes longer to get somewhere by car. As buses have their own express lanes, they travel along main roads and highways far faster Asimov. And Koreans drive like maniacs, they appear to have issues with road rules here. Driving here would stress me the fuck out. So I really cant see any reason to buy a car here. Other than that I dont really care what brand a car is as long as it works and would get me from point a to point b. the ownership of a car has never been a high priority to me. But I can appreciate a beautiful car when I see one.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It took me along time to decide to get a driving lisense, but afterwards i became a car enthusiast, and i just to know and learn about cars. I got myself quite a decent car, but nowdays, i really wish i had a better, more potent, faster car. I really strive for soemthing better. not that i'm unhappy with my car, quite the contrary, but, well you know?

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 2 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    So, basically, you have litle sympathy for your former overlords, is that it? Still, i wouldn't want the british to stop calling the american and America as the colonials and the colonies. It's so damn funny! It's alsdo probably petty revenge form then, in the sense that, despiste all their joking and whatnot, in the end modern day britain is teribly influenced by american culture, to the poin that what goes on in USA goes on in UK too. today, UK copies too much too well the USA.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    the off-shot, of course...

    by AsimovLives

    ... ias that there are so many talernted english actro adn directors making movies in america. Like Christopher Nolan. Which is not a bad trade off, come to think of it.

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Actually Asimov, Nolan holds dual citizenship

    by southafricanguy

    as he is both British and American (his mom is British, and his dad isAmerican). Nolan just grew up mostly in England, but his brother (johnathan Nolan) grew up mostly in America. Its actually quite weird if you have seen them interviewed. Chris Nolan has a British accent while his brother has an American accent lol..

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    And yeah you are so right about Uk being so

    by southafricanguy

    influenced by American pop culture, I think thats why their noses often get so bent out of shape, it must really annoy them that their former colony is both richer and more powerful, but it also influences their culture lol

  • Sept. 19, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Asimov...have you checked out any of the

    by southafricanguy

    footage of the Avatar game? It seems to give a good indication of the kind of action we can expect, and it looks insane.

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Asimov.....btw, have you ever read Heavy

    by southafricanguy

    Metal magazine? Have you seen the 1980 Heavy Metal animated film? And do you know the mecha genre in Anime?

  • Sept. 20, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    And are you a fan of Miziyaki?

    by southafricanguy

  • Sept. 22, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If you are still chekcing out this talkback, just let you know that i took a bit of a sabatical from the net. I bet the Jar Jar Trek groupies must be very pleased with that.<br><br>For me, io view Christopher Nolan as a british person. i think his british side does inform a bit of how he is as a smart and intelligent filmmaker. i always though that smart british filmmakers are smarter filmmakers then their american counterparts. Or i could be biased because i'm a bit of an anglophile. I never heard Jonathan Nolan talk, though. Two brothers with different accents certainly is weird.<br><br>The worst of the UK's endoutricantion of american culture? The chavs. The shit it beyond stupid. White guys trying to act like ghetto blacks. If i was a black dude, i would feel insulted.<br><br>i know very little of Metal Hurlant. Mostly, from one colelction that a friend of mine had in the 80s which i read. Weird and cool stuff. I did watched the movie, in VHS, and i didn't liked it. Though my memory of it is a bit fuzzy, since it was so long ago. Ironically, one of the delected scenes form the movie which was in the VHs made me aware of the polish composer Penderecki, so,i have to say, the movie did ended up being pretty educational to me.<br><br>What i know of Miziyaki is mostly due to his TV shows works in the 70s, Heidi, and specially Future Boy Conan. On the guys my age in here, Future Boy Conan is spoken in utter reverential. It was an epochal cartoon. We are still at awe of it. One of the best cartoons i ever seen in my whole life. The rest of his career, i'm affraid, i don't know much about, specially the movies. I did saw Princess Mononoke, which i think is a brillant cartoon and pretty much underrated in it's sophistication, not so much the animation per se, but the story it tells and how it tells it.

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Asimov....I think you have a certain point abou

    by southafricanguy

    t British filmakers being more thoughtful in general, but I would say that at the same time American filmakers are better with action and emotional stuff generally speaking. Anyway....Everyone needs a break from the crap that goes on here Asimov. Miziyaki is amazing, Asimov do yourself a favour and find/hunt down spirited away and castle in te sky. I promise you will not be dissapointed.

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST

    and yeah I agree with you about princess mo

    by southafricanguy

    noke, very sophisticated in its thematic content. Actually thats one of the reasons Im so excited about Avatar, as you know i ve read the old scriptment, and Miziyaki is a very clear influence, in fact Avatar reads like a sci-fi action version of a Miziyaki film. Also, dude while the heavy metal film is very flawed it does have some really cool shit in it, I highly recommend you re-watch it and give it another shot. Though it comes no-where near capturing the brilliance of the magazine. But again, its another clear influence on Avatar, and another reason why im excited about Avatar....

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Hey Asimov, what are your thoughts on Del

    by southafricanguy

    Toro's Pan's Labrinyth?

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What i think of Gulhermo Del toro's El Labirinto Del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth? I think it's a masterpiece. I aso think that Del Toro is a brillant filmmaker when he makes mvies spoken in spanish. In his english spoken mvie,s he's a talented and imaginative jorneyman, but in his spanish language movies, he's brillant, and an auteur. And his rpevious The Devil's Backbone is terribly underrated.<br><br>I think engoish directors, or korean directors, or japanese directors, or french directors, or mongolians directors are as good as the americans making action. sometime sthey are evne better because in their mvies there's a sens eof real about the action that makes it far more interesting and thrilling. And bty real, i can mean both more realism grounded, or i can mean that the action has drama in itself, and is as important for the developement of the story as it could be a scene with dialogue or emoting. And this is soemthing i see less and lessfrom american filmmaker,s who seem to stop the movie for a bit of overblown action with serves the plot no real porpose. Of cours,e some foreigners can be acused of bullshit like that, like the englishman Tony Scott, the irishman John Moore and the finnish Renny Harlin.

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Finland actually made one of the top best war movies ever

    by AsimovLives

    It's called THE WINTER WAR.

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by MasterKatarn

    .STAR WARS Episode VII-THE DARK ORDER (Refers to the rise of the Dark Jedi) .STAR WARS Episode VIII-BATTLE OF THE REPUBLIC (Refers to Mandelorians, lethal bounty hunters and the start of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion) Star Wars: Yuuzhan Vong Wars (TV show) STAR WARS Episode IX-BALANCE OF THE FORCE (Luke Skywalker brings all evil in the galaxy to an end and destorys the Dark Jedi, by harnessing a power in the Vally of the Jedi.)

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    You make good points Asimov....but

    by southafricanguy

    remember that I was specifically referring to the difference between British and American Directors. Im thinking of Cameron (Aliens,T2), Spielberg (Raiders, Saving Private Ryan, McTiernan (Die Hard,Predator), Sam Raimi (Spiderman), Wachowski Bros (the MAtrix), Lucas (Star Wars, say what you will about the guy now, but he knows how to do action) etc....Im not talking about hacks like Bay et al......

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    while look at good british filmakers like Ridly

    by southafricanguy

    Scott and Nolan, as great as both are, action scenes remain their weak points imho. I love all of Nolan's films, but lets be hones the action in BB is almost bad with the exception of the Tumbler scene, and whilst better in TDK, I would still argue that the action set pieces are its weakest point....

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Its actually difficult to tell what the hell is

    by southafricanguy

    going on in BB's action scenes, way too many close ups, and fast edits. And lets remember that its a British filmaker (Greengrass) that has made fucking shaky cam so popular in action cinema now. I personally feel that this trend has really made modern action filmaking bad....At least we know there wont be any of that in Avatar....

  • Sept. 24, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    the action will be well shot, the geography will

    by southafricanguy

    be well established, you will be able to always tell what is happening, the camera will pull back, there will be no mtv editing, overuse of close ups etc.., and the action will be an extension of the story....

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's not Paul Greengrass's fault that every AMERICAN hack today uses shaky-cam. Greengrass has been doing that docu-style for a decade now. and the thing is, in Greengrass mvies, you still know what is going on and where it's going on, even with the shakes. not so on the hacks like Bay and Jar Jar Abrams and all other guys like them.<br><br>The shaky-cam on Batman Begins actually makes sense. It's to portait Batman's fighting and his ninja-like first strikes out of nowhere as seen from the perspective of the bad guys. From their point of view, Batman is a blur, a shape, a shadow that comes nobody knows where, and attacks them with a force and a direction they can't determine. Therefore, the shaky-o-cam is completly justified. And the action scenes in The Dark Knight are magnificent. In fact, they are text book cases of how action scenes should be made. contrary to popular geek opinion, nolan knows VERY WELL how to shoot action. He knows it EXTREMLY WELL. He knows mor ein his pinky toe how to shoot action then all the "action directors" combined. Frankly, very few other directors, and american directors, can shot action as good or better then Nolan, and of those very few i can name one right now: Kathryn Bigelow.<br><br>What we see with the shaky-cam today is the same what we saw with slow-motion in the 80s and 90s: an over-use of a style which was very well though out and inteligent and efective in the hands of proper talented filmmakers, and was later abused by unimaginative hacks who can't understand the porposeof the use of the style to begin with. The same way Sam Peckinpah used slow motion to make a dramatic beat and a point, and later the fucking hacks like Renny Harlin and Michael Bay turned it into a joke, the same thing is happening with the shaky-cam where once it was used as an important dramatic device and now is being overused by hacks like Bay and Jar Jar withoutthey understanding the real use of it other then to repeat the trendy thing of the day. Fuck them. The shaky-o-cam is not the problem, the problem is the fucking hacks who use it.<br><br>And no, believe you me, i'm not one of those who pisses on George Lucas because the prequel movies didn't match some impossible expectations and was not the exact same movie that the fans had in their heads. I say that editing-wise, Lucas is still one of the top best filmmakers alive. The man was always amaster editor, and the prequels are still lessons on how to edit an adventure movie. And yes, the action is very well shot inthe prequels too. In fact, my real complain about the prequels resure to just 3 words: Jar Jar Binks. and yes, the Anakin character as presente din the first movie is beyond irritating, which i think was Lucas second mistake in the whole prequels. but people who piss on Attack Of The clones are, frankly, loonies. If they mistake that for a bad movie, they deserve all the Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams bullshit, and that is a hell i wouldn't never want for myself.

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    Mark this day on your calendar again

    by orcus

    That Orcus and Asimovlives agree again. What alot of the 'fans' of sw completely missed was that the outline of the PT was in the preface of the SW(ANH) Novelization which was released in 1976. Granted. it was a general outline but the bulk of it was intact for the prequels and it was abundently clear that it was going to be political. <p><p> After ROTJ all that filled the SW void were the comics, Novels and Video Games and for 16 years (outweiging the 6 release span of EP4-Ep6). What appears to Orcus what for 16 years folks were more accustomed to this tone in the series and became the dominant force (no pun intended) and overshadowed the movies. In other words folks got more accustomed to the secondary media (which Mr Lucas didn't consider as canon) and expected the secondary media as the standard since there was more of it around. Then Folks got pissed off that he wanted to do things his way as opposed to following the lead of the games/comics/ and book folks.<p><p>Even though it was inteded as 1 big movie, TPM still feels like 2.5 hours or exposition. BTW check out the Phantom Edit, it makes it actually better

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Damn Spelling!

    by orcus

    Orcus hates typing with claws

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Orcus, it's easy to agree with me

    by AsimovLives

    All it takes is a bit of reasoning and rationality.

  • Sept. 25, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    It is frightening isn't it :)

    by orcus

    Orcus was saying this for a while. TPM was about a draft and a few edits away from a better movie. In the Phantom Edit, All the aliens now had alien voices with subtitles, which believe Orcus went along way. As far as being a visual director, the PT would be VEEEERRYY interesting played out as a silent movie. Just mute the colors and add dialog cards. KevinWillis brought that up once and it stuck with Orcus

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Asimov.....hmmm, you make some interes

    by southafricanguy

    ting points but I completely disagree with you about Nolan doing action better than American filmakers like Spielberg and especially Cameron and McTiernan. Nolan has not yet done action scenes as good as them. We will just have to seriously disagree on that point. In particular, for me, no-one can direct sustained dramatic action like Cameron. His structure is absolutely perfect, he strings action set pieces together and each one builds on the next in an organic and logical manner (watch the end 3 piece action of Aliens or T2). Or shit just watch the entire second half of Titanic. And Im sorry but Nolan has not done anything on the level of the original Die Hard, that film is a masterclass in how to shoot action.

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    And while I think you are right regarding the

    by southafricanguy

    reasons for the use of shaky cam in some scenes of BB, that does nt excuse the action being hard to follow imho, and your argument does nt hold water for the end scene where Batamn takes on Rha's men, it is terribly filmed for an action scene. And at that point in the film Batman is no secret or boogy man to Rha's men....

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    But we can agree that TDK is a fucking master

    by southafricanguy

    piece, and Lucas is a damn good editor of action. As you say AOTC has damn good action, and its very well filmed imho....

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    and I was never blaming Paul Greengrass (

    by southafricanguy

    very good director btw) for the proliferation of the shaky cam Asimov, I just dont like it for action (its up there with mtv fast cut editing and close ups), and imho it has limited uses. I was merely pointing out that it was him that kind of introduced it. And I dont agree that you can always tell whats going on in his action either, he uses it better than most, but as I said i believe it to be an annoying technique for action sequences. And its unfair to call out American hack directors Asimov, while not calling out British hack directors for the same sins (p w.s Anderson, guy ritchie, Vaughn, Simon West et al...)

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Anyway.....Asimov, what do you think of the

    by southafricanguy

    Riddick series? Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick? Personally I think David Twohy (the arrival, below)is a very underrated sci-fi director...

  • Sept. 26, 2009, 3:34 a.m. CST

    oh and Asimov...go to

    by southafricanguy

    and check out a really cool demo of the Avatar game, it gives a pretty cool look at some of the stuff in the film....(the hammerhead, stealth armour, mech armour, the bioluminescience at night etc....)

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I must have writen my posts very poorly, because you didn't udnerstand the point i was making in my previous coments.<br><br>I was not comparing Nolan with the likes of Spielberg or Cameron. I was comparing Nolan with the likes of Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams. Compared to those two hack fucks, Nolan is Stanley Kubrick.<br><br>The point is, Nolan is incredibly good at doing action, but he is not show off. The shaky-cam in Batman Begins made sense throughout the movie. Again, the point is to show how incredibly fast and excelent fighters both Wayne and Rah is, to then point that they are beyond most humans. It would be virtually impossible for any actor to really do the required fast and strong punches and figth moves that the characters are able, and to avoid speeding up, which would look ludricous, they opted for a bit of obsfuscation with the shaky-cam. This is why in Batman Begins, in one of the very rare occasions outside of a Paul Greengrass movie, it really works.<br><br>I don't blame Paul Greengrass for the proliferation of the shaky-cam. It is his signature. The prbpem is not him, the problem is the hacks who copied him, and did a poor job at it, hackaslike the pieces of shit Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams fucking fucks.<br><br>Fucking hacks like those two miserable pieces of shit Bay and Jar Jar have caused the use of shaky-cam to became mundane, banal, even anoying. So much so that even very good directors like Michael Mann and Kathryn Bigelow, who used it in their latest movies, Public Enemies and The Hurt Locker, it became anoying as well, evne though it was used well and with intleligence. That's the problem right there. Shaky-cam is now anoying because of the fucking hacks's fault.<br><br>It's a testement to District 9's quality that, though the movie is pratically wholesome shot that way, it was never distracting or anoying for me. But really, by now i'm pretty anoyed, adn i used to love the use of shaky-cam. But again, i stress this point, the fault is not Greengrass or Nolan, but the retarded fucks like Michael Shit Bay and Jar Jar Fuck Ass Abrams.<br><br>I'm oneof the very few eeks that go online and actually liked Chronicles Of Riddick and i think the movie is pretty good, imaginative, insane and fun. And i'm absolutly right about it, no point mince words on it for the sake of appeasing the opinions of retards.<br><br>Back on Nolan's action sceens, well, i say Nolan is one of the very rare directros working today that makes action scenes which are fundamental and part of the story, instead of isolated beats to provide a moment of cheap thrills to the audiences but which has bvery little to do with the story itself, like how hacks like Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams do. Nolan is on a higher ground. In all of Nolan's movies, the action is PART OF THE STORY. Which makes his action stuff "invisible", for the lack of a better word. Which makes them "less spectacular" or "less memorable", according to the minds of action junkies. but i say otherwise, his action sequences are the best there is today. Only they don't call attention to themselves. Nolan goes for story first, action second. And he's absolutly right. This is why when you see an action scene in a Nolan movuie, you still feel you are watching the story being told. And if you have problem figuring out what was exactly happening in the Batman Begins fight scenes, THAT'S THE VERY POINT, you are not supposed to. In many ways, you are giving Nolan the highest compliment.<br><br>And i didn't called american directors as hacks. I named american HACKS directors. I also named hacks from other nationalities, like Tony Scott (british), Renny Harlin (finnish) and John Moore (irish). The point is that the abuse of shaky-cam startred withthe american hacks, but now it's international, no need to point fingers to one antionality now, of course, as you pointed out.<br><br>I saw the trailer for the game of Avatar, it's pretty funny stuff and givesa bit of a glimpse to the design of the creatures to be in the movie, i think. But again, too early to tell.

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Asimov....yeah, Ithink i perhaps misunderst

    by southafricanguy

    ood some of your points. Sorry dude. Anway...I totally agree with you on Riddick, I really like it and think its one of the best pulp serial sci-fi films made in recent years. As I said Twohy is-a very underrated sci-fi filmaker. Have you seen the Arrival? A really cool little alien invasion flick (far superior to ID4 which was released in the same year). And of course Pitch Black is the best Alien film that never was imho....

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    One of the biggest mysteries to me Asimov is

    by southafricanguy

    why Chronicles of Riddick bombed at the b.o. Any thoughts/theories as to what happened Asimov?

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Oh..and Asimov, forget about the trailer, that

    by southafricanguy

    s old dude, go check out the demo footage at Its shows some really cool creatures which does allow you to get a sense of the designs, as well as a lot of the military hardware. And a fairly good look at Pandora....Let me know what you think..

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I do not know why Riddick bombed, or have any hypothesis for the occurence. I say all that is just zeitgeist, soemtimes movies connect with audience,s soemtimes don't. It's nothing to do with quality, but mostly oportunity. Advertizement can explain a strong opening weekend, but nothing more.<br><br>It's a complete mystery why movies are sucessful and others aren't. Being a good or a bad movie means nothing at the box office. Sometimes, it seems that a movie being bad means it has more chances at the box office then being quality, as we can see demosntrated this year with the RELATIVE sucess of that exacrable piece of shit called Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek bullshit. however, that is a false question. It's jsut there there are more bad movies then good movie,s therefore, statistically speaking, a bad movie has more chance at beign sucessful at the box office because there's more of them. As to why, nobody knows. Really, nobody knows. And all those who claim to know why a movie is a sucess or a failure are either fools, ignorant or liars.<br><br>One thing i like about the Riddick movie is that the movie feels honest. I cans ense form that movie that those who made it actually believed in it. They were making the movie they wanted to make. And that feeling is contagious to me. I always connect with a movie which the filmmakers did believed and loved the movie they made. I call that Honesty. To seperate from the ahck jobs of greedy fucks like Michael Bay with every movie he ever made and Jar Jar Abrams with his Shit Trek movie. Twohy with Riddick, Nolan with his Batmovies, Neill Bloomkamp with District 9, Spielberg and Lucas with Raiders, i can sense in them they are making the movies not only for comemrcial sucess but also because they are making the thing they wanted to make. That for me is true filmmaking.<br><br>And speakling of Twohy, i think the best movie he has made so far is Below. But then again, i'm particuial to submarine movies, but no, it's reeally a very good litle known movie, the kind of movie which it's a sin to say "it's a good B-movie". No, it's a good movie, period. And frankly, i would rather that there were more people like Twohy making the commercial populist blockbuster movies then the likes of the Jar Jar Abrams, Michael Bay and shits like them. Twohy is the real deal, Bay and Jar Jar are phonies who ride on self-promotion. I rather side with filmamkers like Twohy, thank you very much.<br><br>And now there's a new talent in town, and his name is Neill Bloomkamp, and he is the real deal. And you know, what, i have this great suspicion that, in truth, District 9 will be the Sf movie of the year, surpassing Avatar. I could be wrong, of course, but soemthign tells me that in the end, it's district 9 which will be the SF movie of the year. And truth be told, most of the time this my hunches are proved correct.<br><br>I'm on a sabbatical on all things Avatar, trailers and whatnot. My idea isto go watch the movie in the most pure state possible. Basically, i'm running away from the hype. It has served me very well in the past (Batmna Begins, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man, The Dark Knight), so if it aint broken i'll not fix and change what works for me.

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Asimov.....yeah, I think you are right about

    by southafricanguy

    Riddick, I agree with your assessment dead on. And as you say no-one really knows why a film fails to connect....But like you im a fan of Riddick, and Im happy to hear that it appears Vin Diesal and Twohy will get an oppertunity to make another thanks to COR selling quite well on dvd.....Any thoughts as to where you think the next one would go given that cool ending with Riddick in charge of the Necromonger army?

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Actually one of the reasons I loke COR, and

    by southafricanguy

    im not sure if you would agree with me Asimov, is thats its basically Conan in space....Also agree that Twohy is the real deal, such a pity the guy does nt get more oppertunities.....I will always make a point of checking out his films...

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    As for D9 being the sci-fi film of the year...I

    by southafricanguy

    dont agree simply because I dont believe that there is only room for one sci-fi film of the year, and also, I dont believe there are any points of comparison between the two. Though i have not yet seen d9, it seems clear its more of a dark, violent sci-fi film with a tounge in cheek, scathing social satire/commentary. I ve heard it compared a lot to the original Robocop. While Avatar is an epic sci-fi adventure thats also a huge attermpt at world building, as in creating a massive universe from the ground up ala Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. I dont expect the samre thing from them at all as they are clearly very different animals so to speak. I think it would be like comparing Star Wars to Robocop...pointless imho....

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I really want both to be awsome sci-fi films

    by southafricanguy

    Asimov, good sci-fi is so few and far between, so I really want original ideas and attempts like D9 and Avatar to be good and succeed hugely (D9 thankfully did very well), and now hopefully (aside form being good) Avatar does the same. I really want these films to show that new/fresh/original genre films can be made. I dont know about you Asimov, but im so damn sick of all the constant reboots/remakes/prequals etc...I dont mind sequals, but no more than 3 imho......What say toy Asimov?

  • Sept. 28, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    oh....and Asimov...What are your thoughts on

    by southafricanguy

    the Matrix sequals? And what do you think of Waterworld? Do you know that Twohy wrote it? I think its very flawed, and Costner ruined it somewhat when he forced Reynolds out, but I like the concept, and I admire the sheer ambition of it. Also think the film was unfairly attacked by everyone at the time simply because it was expensive....

  • Oct. 1, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I think the Matrix sequels are terribly underrated, specially from the people who can't think and watch a movie at the same time.

  • Oct. 2, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Still here?

  • Oct. 2, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Yeah im still here Asimov, but there is a big

    by southafricanguy

    time difference between Europe and Korea so it was very late evening when i was posting to you, had to eventually go to

  • Oct. 3, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The rest of the warrior, of course. Well, take your time, i'll be around here to see if you post anything and keep the convo going.<br><br>And by the way, has District 9 finnaly got a released date in Korea or not?

  • Oct. 3, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    of course you could download it

    by AsimovLives

    but it's not the same thing as watching it in the theaters. It really makes a difference. I should know!

  • Oct. 3, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Hey D9 is nt out here in Korea

    by southafricanguy

    yet. Only at the end of the month. Im not interested in downloading, Film is made to be seen on a big screen dude, not on a computer screen imho...D9 is being advertised in all the supermarkets here. They have big tv screens everywhere that advertise the new movies coming to cinemas. Actually I love the advertising they do for movies here....

  • Oct. 3, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Cant wait to see how they will advertise Avatar

    by southafricanguy


  • Oct. 3, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    anyway....what did you think of Watchmen

    by southafricanguy

    Asimov? I just could nt get into it, and frankly I really dont know what the fuck all the geeks coming in their pants over it were going on about. Its well made, and there is some good acting in it (especially that dude with the ink blot mask), but after TDK I just was nt impressed...

  • Oct. 4, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What i think of Watchmen is the same i think of Contact, Beowulf, a Beautiful Mind and Knowing, all are bad dumb movies pretending to be smart. Which is an whole other kind of bad. And in the case of Ciontact and Watchmen is gets double tradic on account they are adaptations based on are really intelligent well made smart works.<br><br>Watchmen is the kind of smart movie for people who haven't seen a smart movie before. Intelligent comic book movies, i stick to the Nolan's Batman movies, thank you very much.