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KUFO’s Fatboy Picks The 21st Century’s 10 Best!!
I am – Hercules!!
I’m not certain if this list is four months too early or four months too late (“Fatboy” seems awfully confident that the first few episodes of “The Good Wife” or “Melrose Place” are not going to blow season one of “Battlestar Galactica” out of the water), but it’s as good a way as any to launch the 2009-2010 TV season, I reckon.
Here’s “Fatboy” with a list the “Dexter” and “Supernatural” fanatics are not going to understand:
SOME UNFAIR AND SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS NECESSARY FOR THE CREATION OF SOMETHING AS PRESUMPTIVE AND INDEFENSIBLE AS THIS LIST:
Going to the theater has become a crapshoot in regards to quality, a succession of trips down the de-evolutionary ladder from Star Wars to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, where thoughtful filmmaking seems to accidentally escapes the studio system, contrary to the wishes of those looking to collect large checks and trade on your relaxed entertainment standards.
Your best bet to enjoy quality, character driven long-form storytelling involves wearing boxers, owning a TiVo, and placing aforementioned boxers on a couch in front of your television, and hitting play on a remote control , and has been that way for over a decade now.
The 2000’s are the single best creative period the medium of television has ever seen, and the best way to contextualize just how good we had it is in the creation of a completely disposable top 10 list on the internet.
THE SOLE RULE:
A show can only be eligible if its best season aired in the 2000’s. That single season will represent the show for the purposes of this list.
THE HONORABLE MENTIONS:
Breaking Bad(S2) Dead Like Me(S2) Deadwood(S2) Friday Night Lights(S3) Scrubs(S5) The Shield(S2) The Sopranos(S5) Sports Night, The Venture Bros(S3) Weeds(S4)
THE TOP 10 TELEVISION PROGRAMS OF THE 2000's.
10. LOST – SEASON 5: The season it stopped being a Puzzle-Box for the sake of pleasing/confounding people who should probably be playing Tetris. Not that the Russian Nesting Doll nature of the show was suppressed, but the characters finally stopped being clumsy playing pieces to be pushed around by a convoluted mythology. They gained a 3rd dimension, with behavior both consistent and compelling, instead of lapsing into pants-shitting retardation for plotting purposes. Season 5 is like a gifted college student who finally understands why he’s in all this debt, puts the goddamned bong down, and decides to make good on the potential before he enters the real world shrugging and chucking cases of ramen into his shopping cart.
9. FIREFLY: Joss Whedon’s magnum opus. Season 3 of Angel came close to the heights he hit here, but this show is the culmination of Whedon’s skills as a showrunner, storyteller, director, writer and universe builder. Fox then cut it off at the knees, and the potential of the show, forever to be unrealized, led a group of devoted fans to coalesce around Whedon with the fervor of religious zealots, or Green Bay Packers fans. Some of them are apologists the likes of which haven’t been seen since Jar Jar defenses littered AICN talkbacks like Eopie turds. Some of them are level-headed connoisseurs of quality entertainment with a sharpened critical eye. Some of them just like how Nathan Fillion wears Han Solo’s pants. All of them recognize what a unique gem they were lucky to have seen in its brief 13 episode run.
8. MAD MEN – SEASON 3: If I’m going to get a raft of shit for this article, I might as well deserve it. These lists are presumptuous at best, anyway. Why not go Michael Bay with the presumption, huh? Here’s my flimsy reasoning: Season 2 Mad Men was a massive leap from the quality in Season 1, much in the same way Buffy jumped from cloying shitpile of annoying character tics to engrossing, highly entertaining potboiler, except Mad Men S1 started really fucking good. Season 3 of Mad Men is ALREADY better than the entirety of its 2nd Season. I’ve seen 4 episodes, and I believe this claim completely. Sure, you could argue “Well, what if the remaining 9 suck ass?” but you might as well argue “what if dragons were real and could fart rainbows into my breakfast cereal every morning?” The two premises are roughly equivalent in their plausibility.
7. CHAPPELLE’S SHOW – SEASON 2: Now, the reality is that Dave lost his fuckin mind, left 50 mil on the table and hung out by himself smoking cigarettes, only to wander out of the desert every few months to do 12 hour sets at the Laugh Factory or some shit like that. “Dave Chappelle? That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” But I prefer what Season 2 of Chappelle’s Show seems to represent: Dave exceeding the best seasons of Saturday Night Live combined, in 1/3rd the time, making it look effortless, and then dropping the microphone on the floor and exiting stage left like some sort of comedic Maximus Decimus Meridius. Check the stats: The Racial Draft. Charlie Murphy’s True Hollywood Stories. When Keeping it Real goes Wrong. The Wayne Brady Show. The problem in looking back is that you have to ignore 3.6 million fratbro’s popping collars and asking each other what 5 fingers said to the face for about 2 straight years.
6. ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT – SEASON 2: I like to imagine Chuck Jones watching this show on loop in heaven. Arrested Development has been compared to a lot of things over the course of it’s too-short run on FOX, but I’ve always thought it was the natural progression from those old Warner’s shorts. Everything about the show and its characters can be traced back to the wickedly perfect comic timing, convoluted plotting and creative gag-writing that a psychotic duck and a wiseass wabbit basically invented back in the late 40’s/early 50’s. Mitchell Hurwitz, his writers, and an ensemble cast that rivals Cheers, did the impossible in season 2: improved on a comedic aesthetic I thought was perfected with “Rabbit Seasoning,” and improved on it for 18 straight episodes.
5. SPACED – SEASON 2: It’s strange to think that the most cinematic television show in the last 10 years is a slacker/stoner comedy on Channel 4. Usually when discussing TV, the phrase “cinematic” means they didn’t light the set and brown things happened. (See: X-Files, The) But Edgar Wright hit the set of Spaced like Sam Raimi snorting rails of the same medicine that made Charley a turtlenecked pimp in Flowers for Algernon. Now marry that manically intelligent energy to characterization that gives truth to the lie of confectionary sitcom bullshit like Friends and Coupling. Apply the of Gervais/Merchant Comedy Theory of “Say what you need to say, shut the fuck up and get out of the way,” and you get the silly, succinct, and sublime “Spaced.”
4. SOUTH PARK – SEASON 8: Before Parker/Stone got lost up their asses being professional libertarians, perpetually playing the “too cool to actually pick a side” game, they began to regularly stir in celebrity satire and social commentary to measured perfection. That they nailed the recipe at the same time the evolution of their characters hit its zenith makes Season 8 the best season of the best animated series ever. Good Times With Weapons is a perfect encapsulation: It might be a smart send-up of misplaced parental concern after Janet Jackson’s titty fell out for 0.3 seconds during a pointless song and dance routine at a football game. But it’s also a hilariously accurate representation of what happens when kids and their imaginations are set free, and it’s joyously dangerous.
3. THE OFFICE – SEASON 2: There are people who enjoy the US version of The Office. I don’t begrudge them their watered down, ham-filled, increasingly contrived television program. It’s funny, sure. Some people need to have their entertainment with the crusts cut off. Some people can’t handle knocking back a slug of everclear, they’re afraid they’ll end up like Bushwick Bill on the cover of “We Can’t Be Stopped.” I get that, and I’m glad they like that show. But Ricky Gervais and Steven Merchant believe in serving up single shots of schadenfreude with no ice, and no chaser, and the experience is all the more rewarding for it. There is nothing easy about this comedy, to the point where I laughed not only at the exemplary writing, but the fact a tv show was making me physically uncomfortable just being in the same room with it.
2. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA – SEASON 1: This is the best single season of any sci-fi show ever aired. Many pretenders have made their run at that particular Captain’s Chair, shows full of unnecessary apostrophes, latex head-bumps, shitty effects and earnest ambition always about a thousand yards beyond ability. Babylon 5, Farscape, the 30,000 versions of Stargate: MacGyver-And-That-Funky-Looking-Black-Guy-With-The-Massive-Fuckin-Head or whatever. And then there was this claustrophobic, gritty, pissed off little show holding a mirror up to post-9/11 America, and then breaking the mirror, and stabbing the fuck out of your heart with the shards. From the opening seconds of “33” until a solitary Taiko drum blinked a bleeding Eddie Olmos into the void 13 episodes later, Ronald Moore and David Eick made a brutal, relentless, emotionally honest investigation of the humanity of man, and made it kick more ass than “Aliens.”
1. THE WIRE – SEASON 4: This is the best season of anything that’s been broadcast on television. It’s also the reason for this list’s only rule. You need the previous seasons to build to this point, but if I could include those seasons, this list would be “The Wire and 5 other shows that could concievably carry its jock if they asked The Wire very politely, didn’t make eye contact, and wore that cherry wig the Wire just bought them.” Season 4 is probably the closest thing to Literature that television has ever achieved. If Dostoyevsky had HBO, and you walked into his living room just as this season ended, there’d be a single tear resting on his beard. His will to live, along with his balls; powdered, dusting the carpet beneath him like so much cigar ash and dreams of Baltimore.
And as for any protestations to my sanity in compiling this list, and any discrepancies between my viewpoint and yours, I’ll quote Marlo Stanfield as my sole response:
“You want it to be one way. But it’s the other way.”
Bobby "Fatboy" Roberts
Afternoons, 101.1 KUFO-FM
www.cortandfatboy.com
@fatboyroberts on twitter
No mention of “The West Wing” or the final season of “Angel”? Interesting.
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Here’s “Fatboy” with a list the “Dexter” and “Supernatural” fanatics are not going to understand:
SOME UNFAIR AND SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS NECESSARY FOR THE CREATION OF SOMETHING AS PRESUMPTIVE AND INDEFENSIBLE AS THIS LIST:
Going to the theater has become a crapshoot in regards to quality, a succession of trips down the de-evolutionary ladder from Star Wars to Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, where thoughtful filmmaking seems to accidentally escapes the studio system, contrary to the wishes of those looking to collect large checks and trade on your relaxed entertainment standards.
Your best bet to enjoy quality, character driven long-form storytelling involves wearing boxers, owning a TiVo, and placing aforementioned boxers on a couch in front of your television, and hitting play on a remote control , and has been that way for over a decade now.
The 2000’s are the single best creative period the medium of television has ever seen, and the best way to contextualize just how good we had it is in the creation of a completely disposable top 10 list on the internet.
THE SOLE RULE:
A show can only be eligible if its best season aired in the 2000’s. That single season will represent the show for the purposes of this list.
THE HONORABLE MENTIONS:
Breaking Bad(S2) Dead Like Me(S2) Deadwood(S2) Friday Night Lights(S3) Scrubs(S5) The Shield(S2) The Sopranos(S5) Sports Night, The Venture Bros(S3) Weeds(S4)
THE TOP 10 TELEVISION PROGRAMS OF THE 2000's.
10. LOST – SEASON 5: The season it stopped being a Puzzle-Box for the sake of pleasing/confounding people who should probably be playing Tetris. Not that the Russian Nesting Doll nature of the show was suppressed, but the characters finally stopped being clumsy playing pieces to be pushed around by a convoluted mythology. They gained a 3rd dimension, with behavior both consistent and compelling, instead of lapsing into pants-shitting retardation for plotting purposes. Season 5 is like a gifted college student who finally understands why he’s in all this debt, puts the goddamned bong down, and decides to make good on the potential before he enters the real world shrugging and chucking cases of ramen into his shopping cart.
9. FIREFLY: Joss Whedon’s magnum opus. Season 3 of Angel came close to the heights he hit here, but this show is the culmination of Whedon’s skills as a showrunner, storyteller, director, writer and universe builder. Fox then cut it off at the knees, and the potential of the show, forever to be unrealized, led a group of devoted fans to coalesce around Whedon with the fervor of religious zealots, or Green Bay Packers fans. Some of them are apologists the likes of which haven’t been seen since Jar Jar defenses littered AICN talkbacks like Eopie turds. Some of them are level-headed connoisseurs of quality entertainment with a sharpened critical eye. Some of them just like how Nathan Fillion wears Han Solo’s pants. All of them recognize what a unique gem they were lucky to have seen in its brief 13 episode run.
8. MAD MEN – SEASON 3: If I’m going to get a raft of shit for this article, I might as well deserve it. These lists are presumptuous at best, anyway. Why not go Michael Bay with the presumption, huh? Here’s my flimsy reasoning: Season 2 Mad Men was a massive leap from the quality in Season 1, much in the same way Buffy jumped from cloying shitpile of annoying character tics to engrossing, highly entertaining potboiler, except Mad Men S1 started really fucking good. Season 3 of Mad Men is ALREADY better than the entirety of its 2nd Season. I’ve seen 4 episodes, and I believe this claim completely. Sure, you could argue “Well, what if the remaining 9 suck ass?” but you might as well argue “what if dragons were real and could fart rainbows into my breakfast cereal every morning?” The two premises are roughly equivalent in their plausibility.
7. CHAPPELLE’S SHOW – SEASON 2: Now, the reality is that Dave lost his fuckin mind, left 50 mil on the table and hung out by himself smoking cigarettes, only to wander out of the desert every few months to do 12 hour sets at the Laugh Factory or some shit like that. “Dave Chappelle? That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” But I prefer what Season 2 of Chappelle’s Show seems to represent: Dave exceeding the best seasons of Saturday Night Live combined, in 1/3rd the time, making it look effortless, and then dropping the microphone on the floor and exiting stage left like some sort of comedic Maximus Decimus Meridius. Check the stats: The Racial Draft. Charlie Murphy’s True Hollywood Stories. When Keeping it Real goes Wrong. The Wayne Brady Show. The problem in looking back is that you have to ignore 3.6 million fratbro’s popping collars and asking each other what 5 fingers said to the face for about 2 straight years.
6. ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT – SEASON 2: I like to imagine Chuck Jones watching this show on loop in heaven. Arrested Development has been compared to a lot of things over the course of it’s too-short run on FOX, but I’ve always thought it was the natural progression from those old Warner’s shorts. Everything about the show and its characters can be traced back to the wickedly perfect comic timing, convoluted plotting and creative gag-writing that a psychotic duck and a wiseass wabbit basically invented back in the late 40’s/early 50’s. Mitchell Hurwitz, his writers, and an ensemble cast that rivals Cheers, did the impossible in season 2: improved on a comedic aesthetic I thought was perfected with “Rabbit Seasoning,” and improved on it for 18 straight episodes.
5. SPACED – SEASON 2: It’s strange to think that the most cinematic television show in the last 10 years is a slacker/stoner comedy on Channel 4. Usually when discussing TV, the phrase “cinematic” means they didn’t light the set and brown things happened. (See: X-Files, The) But Edgar Wright hit the set of Spaced like Sam Raimi snorting rails of the same medicine that made Charley a turtlenecked pimp in Flowers for Algernon. Now marry that manically intelligent energy to characterization that gives truth to the lie of confectionary sitcom bullshit like Friends and Coupling. Apply the of Gervais/Merchant Comedy Theory of “Say what you need to say, shut the fuck up and get out of the way,” and you get the silly, succinct, and sublime “Spaced.”
4. SOUTH PARK – SEASON 8: Before Parker/Stone got lost up their asses being professional libertarians, perpetually playing the “too cool to actually pick a side” game, they began to regularly stir in celebrity satire and social commentary to measured perfection. That they nailed the recipe at the same time the evolution of their characters hit its zenith makes Season 8 the best season of the best animated series ever. Good Times With Weapons is a perfect encapsulation: It might be a smart send-up of misplaced parental concern after Janet Jackson’s titty fell out for 0.3 seconds during a pointless song and dance routine at a football game. But it’s also a hilariously accurate representation of what happens when kids and their imaginations are set free, and it’s joyously dangerous.
3. THE OFFICE – SEASON 2: There are people who enjoy the US version of The Office. I don’t begrudge them their watered down, ham-filled, increasingly contrived television program. It’s funny, sure. Some people need to have their entertainment with the crusts cut off. Some people can’t handle knocking back a slug of everclear, they’re afraid they’ll end up like Bushwick Bill on the cover of “We Can’t Be Stopped.” I get that, and I’m glad they like that show. But Ricky Gervais and Steven Merchant believe in serving up single shots of schadenfreude with no ice, and no chaser, and the experience is all the more rewarding for it. There is nothing easy about this comedy, to the point where I laughed not only at the exemplary writing, but the fact a tv show was making me physically uncomfortable just being in the same room with it.
2. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA – SEASON 1: This is the best single season of any sci-fi show ever aired. Many pretenders have made their run at that particular Captain’s Chair, shows full of unnecessary apostrophes, latex head-bumps, shitty effects and earnest ambition always about a thousand yards beyond ability. Babylon 5, Farscape, the 30,000 versions of Stargate: MacGyver-And-That-Funky-Looking-Black-Guy-With-The-Massive-Fuckin-Head or whatever. And then there was this claustrophobic, gritty, pissed off little show holding a mirror up to post-9/11 America, and then breaking the mirror, and stabbing the fuck out of your heart with the shards. From the opening seconds of “33” until a solitary Taiko drum blinked a bleeding Eddie Olmos into the void 13 episodes later, Ronald Moore and David Eick made a brutal, relentless, emotionally honest investigation of the humanity of man, and made it kick more ass than “Aliens.”
1. THE WIRE – SEASON 4: This is the best season of anything that’s been broadcast on television. It’s also the reason for this list’s only rule. You need the previous seasons to build to this point, but if I could include those seasons, this list would be “The Wire and 5 other shows that could concievably carry its jock if they asked The Wire very politely, didn’t make eye contact, and wore that cherry wig the Wire just bought them.” Season 4 is probably the closest thing to Literature that television has ever achieved. If Dostoyevsky had HBO, and you walked into his living room just as this season ended, there’d be a single tear resting on his beard. His will to live, along with his balls; powdered, dusting the carpet beneath him like so much cigar ash and dreams of Baltimore.
And as for any protestations to my sanity in compiling this list, and any discrepancies between my viewpoint and yours, I’ll quote Marlo Stanfield as my sole response:
“You want it to be one way. But it’s the other way.”
Bobby "Fatboy" Roberts
Afternoons, 101.1 KUFO-FM
www.cortandfatboy.com
@fatboyroberts on twitter
No mention of “The West Wing” or the final season of “Angel”? Interesting.
Giant TV Sale!!
838 Titles Under $20!!
Worf And Data Hit HD This Month!!
$12.25 Per Blu-ray Trek Movie!!
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in no particular order: the wire, mad men, six feet under, the sopranos, arrested development, the office (UK), 30 rock, south park
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big love and the first 2-3 seasons of weeds
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Although I would've put season 1 of Lost over season 5.
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penn and teller's bullshit and to catch a predator (come on, admit it, it's fucking entertaining)
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i knew i forget a big one. guess i'll just keep posting as they come to me
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I think 24 is a fucking better show than Firefly or South Park. No Band of Brothers? From the Earth to the Moon? Another ass kissing Whedonite.
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the second season of The West Wing, fifth season of Angel, the second season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and the first season of Veronica Mars.
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Another mouth-breathing moron. What does Whedon have to do with your point about South Park, or do you usually just lash out in blind rage?
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Sep 07, 2009 10:10:11 PM CDT
Um, he put Firefly on his top ten list of best shows?
by lockesbrokenleg
Why? Was Firefly really that great? I just don't get it. Serenity was awful. At least he put BSG on there, but Firefly, I just don't get it. Band of Brothers is better than Firefly.
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Mostly happy with the list. Would have liked to some props for Angel Season 4, It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia Season 3 or 4, Season 4 of Futurama, Season 1 or 4 of 24 and of course Season 1 of Dexter. But aside from that a pretty good list.
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Galactica, yes. UK Office, yes. Everything else, fuck off. Firefly was good - great even at times, but not near a 'top ten' show. Where's Band of Brothers in that, because I'm pretty damn sure it's about the best thing filmed in any medium in the last 50 years. Where's Rome? And an 'honourable mention' for Deadwood? Jeebus, that should be at No 2 for McShane and Dourif`s work in it alone. Honourable mention for The Shield, huh.....crying out loud, get a clue.
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"If Dostoyevsky had HBO, and you walked into his living room just as this season ended, there’d be a single tear resting on his beard. His will to live, along with his balls; powdered, dusting the carpet beneath him like so much cigar ash and dreams of Baltimore."
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Or Big Bang Theory? Or hell, even Deadliest Catch?
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That sentence is a titan of comedy that is raping my meek and defenseless sense of humor.
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That show is NOTHING but a string of "geek" jokes thrown together with nothing more to anchor it.
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Sep 07, 2009 10:19:33 PM CDT
aka The "What White People Like" List http://tinyurl.com/5f84zz
by antipopculture
AICN can we stop having people who circlejerk with you on whatever social media fad is popular at the time (twitter seriously?) as article writers? Also no more "meme" posts. If you want man on the street views I suggest using a talkbacker from time to time. I nominate DannyGloversDickblood.
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Sep 07, 2009 10:21:29 PM CDT
Big Bang Theory is great! Shit, I'm dreading this years
by lockesbrokenleg
top ten movie lists that will have Watchmen and Inglorious douchebag Basterds on it.
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Ha, we are like Whedon fans. Very rabid and will support the team to the death. Only Brett Favre could manage to put the Packers nation at odds with one another.
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I think my feelings for this site has changed, maybe thats why I don't agree with anything other then BSG being on this list. But apart from that, I feel that this site has gone from good critics to critics who just want to hear themselves talk. I really couldn't get an idea of what 1/2 the list was about. I guess i'm just not cool anymore.
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attention? Why not just post any top ten list that any joe schmo with internet access sends you?
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and why should I care what a Fatboy thinks?
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...in the top 10. Each and every season of LOST is better than 99% of everything else on television! The only selections were good...except that LOST should have a great presence on this list...and a higher rank.
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wtf is "spaced"?
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And fatboy was a grade A ass kisser when Katee Sackoff did her Q&A. Still, a decent list. Mad Men should be higher.
How is it that a Portland dj gets his best of list on AICN? Does this mean that AICN events will start hapening up here, instead of Chicago and Austin all the damn time? -
The poor sick bastard can't help that he's nuttier then a peanut field and has bad taste. A low double digit IQ and a shelf full of psych meds don't help either. Plus he's a terminal virgin so he's got blueballits. Pity the poor fucker nature wasn't kind.
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And just tore the fucking house down, then called in an air strike every time she was on the Cort and Fatboy show. :)
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but not even listing it in the Honorable Mentions? that's downright mentally handicapable. "Two Cathedrals", which James Lipton rightly called the best hour of fictional television in history, aired in 2001, and that entire season was unbelievable.absolutely, PATENTLY terrible to exclude that in favor of Firefly. jesus christ.this is almost as bad as when Entertainment Weekly did the "Top 25 of the last 25 years" and left off The Shawshank Redemption.
I've never heard of this Fatboy nonsense, but in one fell swoop, they've guaranteed, that I will never care about anything they say.
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Yes The Wire is great but this "Dickensian Aspect" shit has got to go because 1 You dont read anyway. 2 Its annoying. 3 David Simon started said meme which is bad form. 4 Its a fucking tv show. 5 Theres nothing wrong with it being a tv show.
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My first of the new season. :D And now I bid youse night-night.
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Sep 07, 2009 10:38:50 PM CDT
Xiphos_2, So, are you pulling your kids out of school tomorrow?
by lockesbrokenleg
Scared of Obama, eh?
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Which can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/n89gsj. It's the best shows and actresses from 2000-2009. See what you think of it.
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Sponsored by Fox News Channel, which have stirred up the biggest mountain out of a molehill EVER. Abraham Lincoln is doing pirouettes in his grave for what the Republican party has turned into. The party of NO, the party of stirring hatred among racist white men, who if they had their druthers, wouldn't mind if enough loonies rose up and tried to overthrow the government. One-party rule, while I'm at it.
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You'll be cool!
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In today's networld we are already bombarded with e-pollution in the form of email forwards, "wacky" photoshops, 4chanisms, and social networking being shoved down our throat. As the decade ends we are going to be inundated with best of/worst of "lists". I generally don't get worked up over the list choices but I do think we need to put the brakes on them. With all that said I'm off to rage against republican talk radio and FoxNews on my favorite Internet blogs "huffpo" and "dailykos". I'm really sick of these knuckledragging, cocksmoking, inbred pieces of shit who are no where near as sophisticated as us anons on the blogosphere.
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West Wing season 1 pwns and nukes Spaced out of the hemisphere, let alone the nearest body of water.
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If you look past all the cancerous reality horseshit like Tila tequila's shot at love.
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but I don't like that list.
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I bought the dvds & fell in love too. If you like Edgar Wright/Simon Pegg/Nick Frost team ups, it's a must see. But if it included that one, it might have been nice to see Ricky Gervais' Extras on there too. Another brillant series that doesn't get much fan love.
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West Wing and Shawshank Redemption should totally make "best of" lists. It's just like those "best of" music lists that leave out Nickelback and System of a Down!
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Sigh. Now they're all on Nick at Nite.
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These people have no taste in quality programming
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Its not a bad list, though there are a few I have not seen. A few of my favorites for the last decade: Buffy season 5, Angel season 5, Wonderfalls, Heroes Season 1, Pushing Daisies Season 1, Life Season 1, Dexter Season 2, The IT Crowd Season 1
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Although I agree with some of his points, this guy comes off like a total snob.
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i actually agree w/most of this list.i would put the 3rd season of angel ahead of firefly,but the wire was definitely the best thing on in the last 9 years.
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...but then, that's what these lists are for, right? Someone posts their favorites, hilarity ensues. Freedom of choice meets freedom of expression. So what if he left out any of the first four seasons of "The West Wing" or listed "Spaced" or proclaimed "Mad Men" S3 as brilliant despite not being halfway through the season? That's this guy's opinion. Every single person in this talkback will have a different list with different ranks. No one will agree 100%. Not everyone loved "The Sopranos" or "Buffy" or "Friends" or "The Wire" or "Murder She Wrote." He might well be a douche and/or a snob, but at least the guy had the balls to post his opinions when given the forum and the audience. I can disagree with anyone's opinion, but I'll respect them for having it in the first place.
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Sep 08, 2009 12:17:56 AM CDT
Well yeah, but that's why they do these lists right?
by lockesbrokenleg
They want reaction.
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shield ,24 needs to be up there .
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It makes "Two and a Half Men" look like bloody Shakespeare.
Seriously, what IS that show about?
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No particular order:
1. Six Feet Under Seasons 2. Firefly, 3. Battlestar Galactica Seasons 1-4.5 + 3 or 4 episodes (basically except everything starting after the brilliant mutiny storyline), 4. Scrubs, 5. Lost, 6. South Park, 7. Mad Men, 8. Damages, 9. Pushing Daisies, 10. Alias Seasons 1-2 -
Were I Fatboy you can be certain the first seasons on "Alias," "24" and "Veronica Mars" would be on this list somewhere.
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"West Wing" season one and "Angel" season five.
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Sure, "A Hole in the World" and "Shells" are the series' two best episodes and the finale was great but the first half of the season was unbearable at times.
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God I miss that sassy little P.I.
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Season 1 of West Wing was mostly in 1999. not that the brain donor that wrote this list has ever seen it.
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that was kind of a muddled joke. Nickelback is obviously terrible, but does that mean you think West Wing and Shawshank are terrible? clearly not, because anyone that has brains enough to type can see Shawshank is a great movie.
and System of a Down isn't my taste, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as fucking Nickelback by any stretch.
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So kiss MY ass, pasty-boys.
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People were talking about that for months. And Eureka.
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Spaced and put Deadwood in. Spaced is unique and really great for Fanboys, but the jokes are a bit predictable and the acting can be hammy.
Take out South Park and put Venture Brothers in. The subtle nature of humor in VB is far more mature and smarter than anything South Park has ever come close to.
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I would place either season 1 or 2 of Dexter ahead of Firefly. Slam dunk.
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my verdict on the picks.LOVE: the office UK, Arrested, chappelle, the wire. firefly is great but overrated. south park has a lot better seasons. DISAGREE: Lost is the biggest "great concept, shit execution" tv show ever. swap madmen with sopranos, spaced with the shield, and veronica mars has got to get a spot in there somewhere. and heres one: GREG THE BUNNY?
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for an amateur dabbling in criticism.
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No mention of According to Jim?!? No mention of House of Payne?!? What kind of list is this?!?!?!?!?
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Sep 08, 2009 2:42:51 AM CDT
supposed to watch the dvds of these shows not fuckin smoke um
by tregeek
no veronica mars? really? no west wing? NO FUCKING dead like me?! get yer head outa yer ass dude
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ummm hehehe you may consider yer head partially removed from yer bung hole
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Are you high?
And putting The Shield (s2) just means you weren't paying attention, because that show got better every single year until it ended. -
I'm a huge fan of Scrubs, but S5 was the first weak one. Okay, S6 was the only really bad one so far and technically the whole series was one of the greatest comedies in TV history, but I don't trust someone who picks Season 5 over the others (especially Season 3).
Not to mention that Firefly is not that good and BSG a political metaphor for idiots. -
Season Four of The Wire is the single greatest bit of serialized fiction of the century. Well, that I've seen/read. Which, c'mon, has got to be something like.07% of what was produced, but still: excellence.
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is like forgetting to take your newborn home from the hospital. For shame.
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it barely broke into 2000. Jesus I'm old.
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only on the honorable mention list and declared season 2 as the best. Any sane person knows that season 5 was the best. Followed by season 7,2,1,4,3,6. Season 5 was the best of any series and even season 6 were better than at least half of his shit list.
Who the fuck is this fatboy, anyway? herc's little sister? -
is like Everwood trying to be edgy. Everwood was better.
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Sep 08, 2009 5:14:56 AM CDT
I can't think of a nice way to say this list is dumb.
by liesandpicturesofalsolies
He put together a NINE AND TWO THIRDSISH YEAR SPECTACULAR just months away before he could do a decade retrospective that would make a whole lot more sense (he could finish the third season of Mad Men, which I think is just okay).
At least he didn't put Angel on there, I like Firefly a ton but Angel is bland WB faire.
Here are my 10 favorite seasons of the 21st century, because it is silly to suggest that you can name the ten BEST when art is so subjective.
24 S3, Futurama S5, Shield S7, Wire S4, Arrested Development S2, Arrested Development S1, Lost S3, Deadwood S1, Dexter S3, Survivor: Gabon -
I looove Spaced but... come on.
It's like if a writer for Jezebel made a list like this and put a season of Sex and the City in it. It speaks to an audience but it is much harder to appreciate if you're outside the fanperson mob. -
At least someone on this miserable planet has the common fucking sense to say something as smart as putting The Wire, and these 5 other shows who might be able to wear The Wire jock if they asked nicely. I still think S4 of Lost is their strongest, and I love the S1 BSG shout out, but honestly, this list only has room for one show, and that show is The Wire. Anyone who hasn't seen it, stop living your life for a month and watch the entire thing.
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True story on the writing process of Lost. A bunch of random and non sensical plot points are attached to a big spinning wheel on a wall in Abrams office. They set the wheel to spinning, and then a monkey throws feces at it. Whatever the shit sticks to, thats what ends up in the script.Any list that doesn't include Garth Marenghi's Darkplace is dead to me.
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I can't argue too much since I don't have HBO and I can't stand most of these shows. I would have added the first seasons of 24, Heroes, Sons of Anarchy. I would have also added Angel season 4 or 5. Buffy Season Seven due the beginning mysteries plus Caleb and the finale was amazing. I would have moved Firefly out for one of those seasons since Firefly is overrated at times.
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That radio DJs (especially those in pairings, and with nicknames) are either 1) idiots, or 2) should stick to radio.
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Fatboy
-noun
1. A balding man-child of Hobbit proportions with an extremely gaunt and anaemic appearance.
Fatboys are often mistaken for Cancer sufferers and are prone to long bouts of verbal Diarrhea (often initiated by comments about Himself, Star Wars or Shia LaBeouf).
Origin:
Oregon, USA
circa 1970s
Synonyms:
blow-hard, braggart, douche-bag, jackass, peacock, windbag.
Antonyms:
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This is South Park at their best. Every show was a winner. It's their only perfect season.
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I feel Nip/tuck and Carnivale also deserve a place here. Of course Lost as well, that's just televised cocaine.
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Fuck the West Wing and Sports Night was NEVER funny.
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One person's feast, is another's compost heap. Of course, this list qualifies as compost, but that's just my opinion.
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"It's just like those "best of" music lists that leave out Nickelback and System of a Down!"
I cannot tell whether you like both bands or hate both bands, but I am going with hate for the purposes of this message. HOW DARE YOU GROUP THOSE TWO BANDS!!! System of a Down is a phenomenal hard rock band and Nickleback is derivative and mediocre. Sure you can here influences in System of a Down, but they do their own thing. You clearly know shit about music. -
And I really liked 6 as well, although I know that's unpopular.
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This list is dead to me.
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Not even the creators of The Wire, ever watched The Wire.
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Season 5- 9 1/2 (right before the Day After Tomorrow One), was pretty much flawless. Now they kind of suck. I think they should get new writers, let Vernon Chatman do the show. Now they get like one good episode for every 5.
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He is a geek made good. I think he is overly attached to his own 'brilliance' and thus a little vain, but I can't fault his work ethic. As I understand it, he cheated his way into a contest to become a guest-dj, and then did his absolute best to keep the job. You may fault his taste, but don't fault his moxy.
Now, he has a loyal audience, jealous haters, and a public forum. So the paper's are spelling his name right, and I'm sure he's happy.
He knows his audience. I heard the podcast one day and he made a 'Danny Glover's Dickblood" AICN joke. I'd say he's laughing his ass off reading this, you trolls.
And Herc is right. Alias season 1 was amazing. I'd pit it against BG season 1. Interesting how similar they were in: started awesome; lost their way a bit in season 2; time-jumped; meandered in the middle; switched up good/bad guys with equal efficiency; and then rushed to a wrap in final season. Only read difference is the BG series finale was better than it had any right to be.
Also, Babylon 5 rocked. Military science fiction with a well-thought plan. At no point did I ever feel the producers were flying by the seat of their pants. Great storytelling. -
The Fall of Western cinema. I'd watch that documentary.
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Really? Season 1 is the best, will be the best, and will be the best forever! Season 1 is the only season you can watch and know nothing about Lost. You just can't tell some noob to watch Lost from the middle.
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People actually watch that?
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Mad Men is good and all, but who wants to watch it? Like who gets all up in arms about 1960's ad executives? All it makes me want to do is smoke. Like who is going, OH MAN! I just watched last nights Mad Men episode 3 times in a row it was so awesome! Did you see Betty Draper crying while she baked that cake! FUCKING AMAZING RIGHT!
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Sucks compared to The IT Crowd.
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Season three wins just for the flash-forward season finale alone.
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But I agree that I would disregard anyone who put it in their top ten. Definitely CBS's best current sitcom.
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BS !!! Doctor Who and Six Feet Under are better than ALL of those !!!!
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in this talkback?
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if anybody had the immense pleasure of watching this perfect season then we'll all reminisce together.
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fact.
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no doubt its Six Feet Under for me
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Favourite for me is Lost, it is definetely the most compelling and the one I look most forward to.
Best would be out of Sopranos, The Wire, Six Feet Under or Deadwood. HBO were producing so many winners. -
also I can't believe he put that piece of shit Lost season 5 on there. Season 1 would have been better.
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and Rome.
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there were so many times I actually felt uncomfortable due to the situations some of the characters were in. Man it's hilarious.
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was some of the best television I've seen this decade. Season 1 of Fringe really had its moments last year; hopefully they'll keep up the momentum. Season 5 of Buffy (particularly the episode where her mother died) was pretty spectacular also.
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the show was simply brilliant television, you Hoople-Headed Cock-Suckers.
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for me out of Gandolfini, Krause or Chiklis
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Seemed like it was going somewhere, but it didn't. Just a big, out-of-shape guy's family taking turns whining.
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But it happened in 99, so I guess its disqualified from this list.
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Now THERE was fucking good fucking show.
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Miyamoto_Musashi- I agree about P. Krause...it's so hard to play an everyman and still be uniquely likable. a fantastic performance that was pitch perfect for 5 years,but goes largely unnoticed for some reason. =(
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Since the first was 98-99. Did the entire 2nd season air in 2000, or just a portion of it? Seems kind of loose with his own rule.I have to agree the list loses credibility with the inclusion of Mad Men season 3. Sure, the remainder of the season will probably be as good as the first 1/3 has been but that's an assumption. It should have been in The Honorable Mentions, leaving the Top 10 for stuff we know, not stuff we think we know or hope will be. Same for Firefly - sure what we saw was good, but it wasn't a complete season, and we have no idea if it would have continued to be good. Speaking of Firefly, I'm guessing he is referring to the show on DVD and not the show that aired when he made this list. "...lucky to have seen in its brief 13 episode run."We didn't see a 13 episode run. It was, what, 10, 11 episodes, aired somewhat out of order? Not exactly the stuff great television is made of. But, as a television show on DVD, I find it does rank right up there.
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Every blogger has one, and they all stink. Oh, and I was totally shocked to see Whedon show up on a list that ultimately shows up on AICN. I think it's the first time he was ever mentioned here. And that's surprising, since he's given us such TV and movie greatness over the years...like...um...give me a minute.
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Rhinosaur- hahaha exactly. Firefly is soooo overrated. and Buffy was as goofy and childish as Smallville.
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who care what this guy thinks?
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I completely agree. I've spent the majority of my summer using Netflix to get through The Sopranos, and just finished S4, and I honestly don't know if I can go on. He says Season 5 is the best, so maybe I should, but its fucking WEARING on me. It's basically the same exact story and arc every single episode, of every season I've seen. Tony bangs some broad, broad goes crazy, Carmella takes a bunch of shit, the kids are shitheads, maybe someone gets whakced, maybe Tony cries about it, maybe he doesn't. Jesus. It has NO development. Not ONE character has changed in the slightest, tiniest way. It's fairly entertaining, but as a show, its largely indistinguishable. I can't fucking wrap my head around why THIS was the most popular, most important show on television that everyone just HAD to watch for so many years. And especially because, unfortuantely, I know that Tony survives and they "fade to black" as it were, I find it very difficult to give a fuck about these people anymore
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i love goodfellas and thats enough for me. i don't need a show like the sopranos rehashing that movie over and over
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From Star Wars to Transformers: The Fall of Western Cinema. I'm not even kidding, it would be fucking good if you actually found that argument, and it is there. The biggest problem is that it might end up being 15 hours long. That argument exists, but I don't think it can be conveyed critically in 105 minutes. Who would like to tackle this project with me? Consider me interested.
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Season 5 of Lost was the weakest and most uneven since Season 2. Candidates to replace it: Deadwood Season 3, Farscape Season 3, Jericho Season 2, Kings, Carnivale Seasons 1 & 2, Supernatural Season 4, Oz Season 4, Prison Break Season 1, Rescue Me Season 4, Angel Season 5, Six Feet Under Season 4.
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Fatboy is the lapdog of Cort Webber who won a american idol style internet contest for guest producer for the Cort & Boomer afternoon zoo crew (Cort always has to have a comic relief sidekick). After forcing out Boomer, Fatboy got his the new asslicker position in the Cort & Sidekick Afternoon Zoo Crew. Just as Gary Della'Abate refers to Stern as "Boss", Fatboy refers to Cort as "Captain". How does Fatboy get Herc and AICN to post his lengthy shit? Katee Sackoff comes from Portland and used to listen to KUFO and will do interviews with the station. Fatboy will get Katee to mention AICN on air and then will pester AICN about it. I'm not really too sure about the "Prequel Spoiler" shit that screenname "idonotseekabanning" aka Fatboy posted about but wtf is posting on the internet about Star Wars a bragging point? Regarding my screenname I really don't think KUFO sucks. In fact I would like to thank whoever is responsible for dramatically cutting back the "talk" and "comedy" on the station and playing more music.
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Uh... Shield S7 blew every season of The Wire out of the water. Seriously, screw HBO fanboys, FX made the better series.
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BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA... Abrams doesn't even work on LOST, fool.
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I'm perfectly comfortable putting Nickelback and System of a Down in the same category. I compared them with Shawshank and West Wing because all four are exceedingly derivative and occasionally cloying (although NB is always cloying). I shouldn't have made the comparison though, because Shawshank and WW are actually OK beyond these faults, while NB and SoaD are absolutely irredeemable. Turn off the radio, hst, and actually do some research. Fucking nu metal. "When angels deserve to die", indeed. Go play with your Korn records, while the rest of us listen to real music.
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Sep 08, 2009 3:43:28 PM CDT
Also Nerd Rage Retard Strength is the new Danny Glovers Dickbloo
by kufosucks
except better
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first-run or on DVD and can honestly say it is one of the few shows that is better once-a-week rather than all at once. Episodes generally leave you wanting more, and having to wait a week increased the anticipation. By having the next episode immediately on-hand, ready to be consumed, it does tend to dilute the joy of the show for the reasons you have stated. You have to remember, each season only ran for roughly 3 months, and there were at times 1.5, even 2 years, between season premieres. To put it another way, for the 8.5 years the show was on the air, it was on hiatus for close to 7 of those years. The extended time-off only increased the "I wonder what will happen next" anticipation in viewers. Plus it won Emmys for writing and everyone said it was a very smart show; no one wants to be "that guy", the one who admits he just doesn't get it, so everyone just agreed, hoping no one would notice they found it lacking.
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I don't really agree with the above posters claim that a show like The Sopranos can be "better once-a-week rather than all at once". Either the show is good, or it sucks. Period.
So --- I just watched S1 and found it rather "meh". Does this thing get any better or is it just an overhyped turkey? -
Of the four seasons I have made it through, I would say the first was by far the most interesting and well-plotted. I don't really think the show ever got any better than the ducks storyline from the first few episodes. So...overyped turkey sounds about right to me. The Wire was on tv at the same time as The Sopranos, and yet Sopranos was hailed as all-important and The Wire was utterly ignored. This is why I hate the world.
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So he's still culpable.
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I'd love to hear what the West Wing is derivative of...
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Generally good shows were chosen, but all can be debated except The Wire. The Series Finale was just so fucking good and well put together.
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shit fests?
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-30- rocked.
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An interesting exercise would be to out up the the best of the '90's vs these. Seinfeld, West Weing, Sopranos, etc. 1995-2005 probably the best of all (which would cover at least the first couple seasons of The Wire).
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with a name like 'fatboy', i would think he had a sense of humor.
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Nope.
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Seems the editorial standards have fallen. Did this guy win a contest to write that column? Was this part of the Outlander Blu Ray Prize Pack?
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The cashier at the grocery store has a Top 10 list too. I'll e-mail it to you - we can fucking discuss it tomorrow.
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I'm surprised the guy who wrote this Top 10 list didn't squeeze in LOST S6, Boardwalk Empire S1, Lawman S1, or Game of Thrones S1. Hey, I'm sure they'll be good. Sheesh.
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You're going to love my nuts!
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I've always watched it, it's entertaining, usually, especially the first three seasons, but gimme a fucking break. Quality television it is not. It's literally the same episode repeated over and over and over again, over the same season arc over and over. Will Vince get the movie? No, at first, but then...YES!@!! Everything is awesome again guys! Let's buy cars (substitute any other high end material object here) I'm honestly tired of it. Entourage and Weeds both emerged with great promise around the same time, and are now both failing miserably in their middle-age. Anyone who would put Entourage on a Top Ten list can't be my friend.
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Sep 08, 2009 11:16:12 PM CDT
What an ass backwards description of Lost S5
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Must have been opposite day for that guy or something
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The Fade to Black was when Tony died. He had just been whacked. I thought it was obvious at the time, but I believe the creators essentially confirmed that.
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Go back to your Journey and U2 records and leave music criticism to people who actually know something about music.
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It's a cut to black, not a fade to black, what is so fucking hard about this for every god damn person on the internet
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Curb Your Enthusiasm
Freaks and Geeks
Lost and Sopranos should be removed. Not sure if that statement is fashionable or sacrilegious, but it's true.
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Curb Your Enthusiasm Freaks and Geeks should be added. Lost and Sopranos should be removed. Not sure if that statement is fashionable or sacrilegious, but it's true. Weeds, Entourage, and Big Bang Theory are not in the top 50. According to Jim is dead last.
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You're correct. My mistaken wording.
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but According to Jim should remain on the list? Even at dead last? Yeah, because watching Jim "I wish I was John" Belushi dressing in drag is always sheer enjoyment. Everyone forgot how great television was 'The Sopranos' for a couple of years because the last few seasons were stale. Totally unfair. Shit like Entourage is still fresh right? Give me a motherfucking break.
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greatest show of all time. If that finale didn't leave you on the verge of tears, you must be dead.
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but overall this list blows.
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But I don't see how you could prefer season 3 of Mad Men over season 2.
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It's true. If you disagree with more than 1 entry here, then your opinion is not legitimate, where his is. 24? Fucking HEROES? Even West Wing? What a bunch of dullards...
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But honorable mention for Breaking Bad? No mention of the last 2 seasons of Supernatural. Oh and BTW, if you kept your kids home from school so they wouldn't be "indoctrinated" by Lord Obama, you're officially a whiney little faig.
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I can't understand how anyone can "like" Lost but not love it as the best show ever. It seems like either people love Lost religiously or they don't get it and don't watch it and don't like it.
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....maybe its because its not the best show ever? That might have something to do with it. I'm fucking Lost obsessed, its smart, intelligent, fun, deep, and awesome, but its not the best show ever. It's up there, but it simply isn't. That's probably why some people manage to like it and not be obsessed. The Wire is the only show worthy of greatest show of all time and best show ever monikers. The only one.
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next year we're left with shit like Glee, please don't complain about bad TV.
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The first season and episode 1 of season 2 are absolutely terrific television in my opinion. I have high hopes that SOA will eventually become a long term replacement for my Soprano's fix.
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that should ace out a few of those. Maybe not THE WIRE but come on. DEXTER and I think FREAKS AND GEEKS was late 90s but if not leaving that out was criminal
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Using big words does not make you a good writer.
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Journey? Really? I'm 30, not 50. I live in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, a neighborhood to which I moved, in part, to be closer to the Mercury Lounge, Piano's, etc. If you think that extolling the virtues of SoaD shows a discerning ear for music, your an idiot. Like I said earlier, TURN OFF THE FUCKING RADIO. Money was paid to place the products found there. Do some research, and I'm sure that you'll find something worth listening to that you'll enjoy. Sunn O)))? Mastadon? I don't know what you're tastes are, other than crappy.
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Sep 10, 2009 4:43:04 PM CDT
The Office wasn't even the best show on uk tv
by yetanotherunqualifiedopinion
the time it was originally aired. Phoenix Nights was far funnier.
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Learn to spell. I love Mastodon and I'm 39 and I haven't listened to the radio in years (other than for Stern). I don't know what you know about music, but I sincerely doubt you know as much as I do (or as much as you think you do). Listen to the Mesmerize album and if it's not your cup of tea that's one thing, but recognize the talent and song-writing ability as well as the diverse influences. But don't go all hipster on me.
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Goddammit Mullymt
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in my top ten
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Overweight, goatee, working in IT somewhere, maybe a ponytail. Wears old concert T-shirts to work. Probably was in a sub-par garage band at some point. If he has a wife/girlfriend, he refers to her as "his lady", and is overly saccharine with her. Secretly looks down on/is jealous of the more respected people whose system he maintains. Probably has described himself as a "libertarian" more than once, but has very little idea of how such a system would actually work. Also, has really crappy taste in music.
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Wow. another no-taste hipster whose preferences for music (and probably anything else) is inversely proportional to its popularity. He doesn't vote or participate because that's not cool. Leeches off people who actually support themselves because "they can afford it." Hasn't read a boo in years, but believes he knows everything And probably has really crappy taste in music.
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They only visit. I'm an attorney, and I always vote. You work for people like me. I notice you didn't contradict any of the above...
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bores the fuck out of me.
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Ironically, I am an in-house counsel myself. I am currently on assignment to our offices in London for a couple of years.
I also find it amusing that you didn't bother bother to find out whether I lived in Manhattan before getting all cocky. I hope you grow up soon.
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