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Hot Fighter Gina Carano To Star In Soderbergh Spy Thriller!!
I am – Hercules!!
This is a movie I’d pay to see!
Gina Carano, the improbably sexy mixed martial arts fighter known to fans of NBC’s “American Gladiators” as Crush, has nabbed the lead role in the “La Femme Nikita”-esque spy thriller “Knockout,” directed by Steven Soderbergh (“The Informant!”) from a screenplay by Lem Dobbs, who previously collaborated with the director on “Kafka” and “The Limey.”
Man, I sure did love “The Limey”!
Variety has the premise:
“Knockout” casts Carano as a girl from the wrong side of the tracks who is given a second chance to use her skills for constructive purposes.
Soderbergh recently wrapped “The Girlfriend Experience,” starring prolific porn star Sasha Grey.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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Way to deliver. She was the best part of the new American Gladiators.
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and then use me as a toilet.
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no pun intended
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in oppose to the dozens of movies your dumbass has seen?
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not too big and firm looking. Awesome.
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rape Sasha Grey with a strap on. Sasha would love it. So would I.
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I read an above post.
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is an incredibly overrated movie. terrence stamp gives his BEST performance ever and peter fonda's character is one of the slimiest mother fuckers ever put on film. throw in nicky katt and luis guzman and, dare i say it, you have one of the most under-appreciated films of the 1990s.
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i meant to write that the limey is an incredibly UNDERRATED movie. can't stress that enough.
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.. and I loved "Kafka". That crazy guy in it kinda freaked me out.
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in the clip. She should rear naked choke my chicken
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Please? I'm sure she'll do it if it serves the plot. Or at least convince her as such.
I don't know, I'll just spitball a little here. For instance, her character could have a routine in which she strips in the locker room and fingers herself vigorously before each match. -
OH HELL YES! HONEY, PUT ON THAT PARTY DRESS!
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First of all, he has cast a great, charismatic lead. This could be a huge hit.
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I love Gina.
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How 'bout it? I mean, if Hilary Rhoda simply refuses, that is.
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...I'd let her beat my ass once every day and twice on Sunday.
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That chick from Legend of the Seeker with the legs could be Wonder Woman.
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The movie is actually ABOUT Gina Carano acting in a Steven Soderbergh movie, but the movie is also about Gina Carano making a movie. And then THAT movie is about her blowing Steven Soderbergh while he films it and rubs lotion on his smooth head.
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She plays Eric Roberts, who is playing Gina's manager/pimp.
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And she should be exactly like the cyborg ninjas in Robocop 3.
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I don't watch "Legend of the Seeker", sorry.
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I've never seen her act though.
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just something about a woman who can beat the living shit out of every single person in the room and still look hot doing it... DAMN!
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I'd pay $49.95 to watch those to grinding gash and doing some extreme Face sitting.I'd put my money on Sasha in 2. Sure Carano is in better shape....but Sasha has the experience that only being choked out while anally penetrated by a fist at age 18 can give you.
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looks the part, kicks ass... hopefully she can act too!
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Got her ASS WUUUUUPED by cyborg!
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Crush is great.
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women fighting dudes...the dude will win every time.
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Julie Roberts plays Eric RobertsI'd pay twice to see that
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or you?
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not flabby, desk/computer jokies like you and I BoE...Carano would kill every one of us.Then again...being men, we wouldn't even think about fighting a chick...even one that would mop the floor with us....cuz most guys are too classy to punch a broad.Now that Cyborg guy...I wanna know what his excuse was for fighting a chick. And I don't wanna hear some B.S. about being a technical female. I still maintain you are as likely to find a vagina on Cyborg as you are to find a hog farm in Mecca.
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Sep 07, 2009 12:50:52 AM CDT
IF she can act..HELL YES for Wonder Woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by shiftyeyeddog2
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Haven't had any of that excellent micro since I moved out of the Bay Area.
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Hmm, just googled her and I gotta say...I ain't mad at'cha. Hilary Rhoda's still my number one pick for Wonder Woman though. Evertime I see a picture of Rhoda in Sports Illustrated or Victoria Secret (damn straight I get the catalogue) I just think; "Wonder Woman".
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No rematch I guess. I would love to see her get revenge on Cyborg. Welcome to Hollywood, Gina. And please kick around some of those Hollywood dickheads.
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Gina's hot but she got owned on her last fight. Granted it was against a tranny posing as a chick. Hopefully she's a better actress than she is a fighter. She was cool in Gladiators, but then again that was "sports entertainment". Hopefully there's some gratuitous T&A...
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Sep 07, 2009 3:00:30 AM CDT
She should be in EXPENDABLES 2 if Stallone ever makes it!
by gibsonusa returns
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...I'm pretty sure Soderbergh is just making these "star vehicles" in order to sleep with beautiful women. It sure as hell isn't for the audience's benefit, anyway.
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damn she is hot
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Sep 07, 2009 4:42:38 AM CDT
'Soderbergh recently wrapped “The Girlfriend Experience,”'
by toilet_terror
Yeah, like almost a year ago. Which is how long it took for this story to appear on Aint' It Rambo News.
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http://tiny.cc/S6xjT
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but can she act worth a shit? Don't get me wrong, I've just sort of assumed she's going to be giving a more naturalistic performance in this film, as per the actors in Bubble and Girlfriend Experience. Superheroes don't tend to be very naturalistic roles.
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I'm just looking forward to this film. Wonder Woman can get fucked by a jet engine for all I care.
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Sodebergh loves women who use their bodies, it seems like, whether they use it to fuck people or fuck people up. Is she Italian? if so then I support her fully for Wonder Woman, if she can act that is.
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Sep 07, 2009 6:59:48 AM CDT
"You tell him, you tell him I'm coming. Tell him I'm fucking com
by newc0253
ah, the Limey.
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Sep 07, 2009 7:10:16 AM CDT
Lets just make this a Wonder Woman talkback instead.
by dailysportspages
Wonder Woman should be DC’s version of Marvels Thor, with a little bit of Phoenix thrown in for good measure.
At least how they approach her character and her storylines.
Mine that Greek heritage like its going out of style.
Forget the TV show, forget Steve Trebor, forget all that stuff that makes her just something for guys to ogle at, drop the heels, the camp, and the World War 1/2 setting. Its not like they have the balls to go full bore and make a period movie, right?
Also… drop the invisible plane, thats just retarded.
And for the love of Hera... give the girl a real weapon.
She has at some points in the comic history had other weapons besides just her bracelets and lasso.
There has been a mystical sword, gauntlets, sandals, etc…
And what was awesome about these artifacts is that they were part of what made Wonder Woman powerful.
They augmented her already super human power to even greater levels.
I think that is something that should be further taken advantage of.
Wonder Woman herself should basically be sorta like a Batman type physically.
A person who has trained himself to the physical limits of the human body, honed himself into perfection.
Except she has not only honed herself, she has been trained by the great amazon warriors.
Add in all of her incredible wisdom, knowledge and intelligence… and you have a great super hero right there.
Now throw in 6 very special artifacts, each imbued with power by the 6 separate Greek gods use in the comics… and NOW you have a super hero worthy of being in the DC trinity, right?
Sword, Bracelets, Sandals, Lasso, Tiara, and a Shield.
Thats the 6 right there. Attach each one to a god like they did in the comics.... and there you go.
Sword gives her strength, Bracelets agility, Sandals speed, Lasso truth, Tiara mental strength (doubles as a throwing weapon), and her Shield protection against energy attacks or whatever.
Hell you can throw in another 6 items in order to factor in the entire 12 main Greek deities. The comics only used 6, but why not expand it?
On the spot i dont have another 6 items for her to wear, but we two easy ones are her girdle/belt and her breastplate. Breastplate enhances her durability and her belt… ok im stuck on that one, but thats what writers are for.
There are plenty of super powers that are tacked on to WW, so it shouldn’t be that difficult to pin some of them to items.
She wouldnt have to always carry all of her items with her. But when there is a big battle to be had, she can come in wearing her full set of armor (she has in the comics), with all of her various Greek god given artifacts.
One more i just remembered, she has the ability to talk to animals right? So how bout a cornucopia type horn that allows her to call them to her?
There is one storyline where she comes in wearing a full on Amazon suit of armor.
Well we have already mentioned 9 items.
#10 Greaves, because you cant go into battle without shin armor.
#11 Feathered Helmet, because you gotta protect yo head.
#12, Another weapon, one that slung to her back. A bow, an axe, maybe a spear or a staff?
Or maybe just more armor to round out the suit. Possibly a gilded skirt.
Wonder Woman should be a warrior, not a warrior for justice (thats Batman), nor a warrior for truth (thats Superman), but a warrior for peace.
Her reason of being is to bring about the much ballyhooed Peace On Earth.
Thats how you separate her from the other two heavyweights.
She is a warrior who has come to earth in order to bring it peace… by force is necessary.
She should not be just another crime fighter.
I mentioned Phoenix right… well the reason i mentioned her (other than the mythical greek angle) was because there is a WW storyline concerning her Amazonian Berzerker Rage.
That her powers are magnified incredibly when her bracelets are taken off.
Thats why are they unbreakable.
I would posit that the Greek gods saw what they created and feared that they had made a being stronger than they ever imagined. Wonder Woman really does have all the crazy super powers that have been attributed to her in the comics… except that Zeus stunted her by placing those bracelets not as a gift, but as as their own way of protecting themselves from her growing power.
In fact its quite possible that Wonder Woman may be the most powerful super hero on earth, more powerful than Supes himself.
But those bracelets keep her powers in check.
And that is why she has all the various other trinkets around… they allow her to tap into small levels of her naturally occurring power. The items themselves dont give her the power, they simple allow it to manifest itself in a limited way.
The way i would introduce WW would be directly as the reason for the forming of the JLA.
Make it so that WW has been doing her best across the past years trying to help mankind achieve world peace… but that she needed help, and the right help was never there… till now.
The great calamity facing the world could very well be World War III (see how i tied her back to a world war), and now the perfect time for her to make herself known is here. There are others now that can help her.
And really… who better than to unite a bunch of alpha males than a really hot chick?
If these 3 characters form a trinity, then Supes is God, Batman is the Holy Spirit (ok more likely holy shadow), and WW is the female Jesus, here to literally save mankind from itself.
I almost forgot the Phoenix angle.
Remember those 'unbreakable’ bracelets?
Well someone... somehow... comes along and breaks them.
And all of that power that has been pent up for years is now released in a gush of uncontrollable force, she flips out and goes all “Dark Phoenix” or whatever... instead of saving the world she know wants to bring forth the apocalypse.
That right there can also be the impetus for the JLA forming. What other reason for all the alpha males to get together than to fight this super powered hot chick that neither of them can take on single handedly.
:)
There i just gave you two plausible ways to get the JLA to join together.
One being Wonder Woman seeking them out to help her. The other having them all group together to stop her.
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Drop the star-spangled panties while you're at it.
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Don't you have a single drop of testosterone in your pasty, pudgy body? Jesus Christ man, it's a woman. Show some self-respect.
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Sep 07, 2009 7:30:41 AM CDT
the "Girlfriend Experience,” starring prolific porn star Sasha G
by chien_sale
A porn star then a MMA fighter? Stay classy, Soderberg!
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A lot of talkbackers are wimps.
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Seriously, I'm more excited about this that seeing Sasha Grey in that other movie.
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Hotter than Sasha G too. Way to step up, Soderbergh.
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That'd be fun.
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BOOOOYAH!
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This is a chick that could give bats a run for his money AND look damn fine in the catsuit (as long as it isn't the shredded crap they put on Halle Berry - how the fuck do you make both Halle Berry and Catwoman look fucking retarded?!?). I'd much rather see Carano as Catwoman than Angelina Jolie or whatever flavor of the week they pick that looks good in a suit but really can't hold up in a fight with Bats.
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I like this girl. She seems intelligent, is attractive, and she can definitely fight. The Cyborg may not even be human, much less female. And since she doesn't speak a word of English, I doubt we'll see her (it) in a movie. Gina could work as Wonder Woman, at least for me. I'd see that movie. As for fighting, Gina is the real deal. Virtually none of the TBer's here could last 30 seconds with her...in the cage or in the sack. The girl can hit. Even in my ninja days, I don't know I would have wanted to dance with her for long.
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This finally confirms it. His career is just about over, especially after the Moneyball fiasco. After Ocean's Eleven, this guy never did anything good. What happened?
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She's a personality, but no actress. I also feel she's done with MMA, ever since she got pwned by Cyborg. She's in more danger of real competition and her face getting real damage with all the butch fighters looking to take her down. I feel she's going to push for acting, but she needs time to develop. I feel she could slim down enough to play more varied roles and maybe become an action star for a few years. I'm not sure about her for wonderwoman but id definitely check her out in an action flick with a hot costume.
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the guy above is right...every Bull Betty on the planet works a punching bag with her face on it; she is a marked babe. And, while she may be a decent fighter...she has decided to actually keep her boobs, feminine face and vagina, and that is a liability for a female in MMA.Put that perfect puss, and I mean face, to better more profitable use in Hollywood and leave the MMA to the girls who were too manly to be admitted into Dykes on Bikes.
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Unlike the overblown and nasty "Chyna" who looks like a dude with a wig. Carano looks almost impossibly hot, and feminine, not some wide-shouldered bulky knuckle brawler. I'd take Carano any day of the week and 4 times on Sunday over Megan Fox. I bet they could coach Carano to be a better actress as well.
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...and she's a fucking badass, what's not to love?
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...whooped her ass I guess she needs to look for a different line of work. Whatever, woman's boxing is disgusting and this goes a long way to prove she was "acting" the whole time.
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GibsonUSA, you kind of beat me to it, but my first thought on reading this was if Sly puts her in the new Rambo film he can do whatever batshit-crazy sci-fi stuff he likes. I'll be perfectly happy just watching this foxy lady beating up scumbags, regardless of the plot.
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Soderbergh getting some, like the Sasha Gray movie he made (and nobody saw) last year. I think each year for the rest of his life he will pick some hot chick and create a brainless, no budget project around her so he can enjoy her undivided attention for a few weeks...that is what I would do, anyway.
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We have guys like Arnold, Sly, Vin Diesel, The Rock - guys who are not really actors in the first place, but Action Stars. Crush was the best character on American Gladiators, the girl has more charisma than most "actresses" poisoning the screen today and she's smoking hot without only being about sexuality. This very, very cool news. She's not only 100% more convincing as a badass than say Angelina Jolie or Michelle Rodriguez, but way more symphatetic too. She's a no brainer for Wonder Woman.
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Can you imagine Soderbergh telling that to Sasha Grey and Gina Carano?
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I agree that Carano has more charisma than most "actresses" poisoning the screen today. Let's hope Hollywood gives her a break. A convincing American female action star is long overdue and she could definitely be it.
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Why? Because Wonder Woman is a SUPER-Heroine, someone with powers. She doesn't rely on her natural skills or abilities, which would mean it would be pointless to cast someone who brings those things to the table; special effects would be responsible for 90% of whatever she does on screen anyways. Casting her as Wonder Woman would be like casting Jason Statham as the Flash - the actors martial arts skills would play little or no part in the character.
Elektra, Catwoman (maybe), Black Canary, Black Widow, Huntress, a female member of GI Joe or some other female action character I could see, but her as an actual SUPER-heroine makes no sense to me. Waste of her talent IMO. -
Doesn't seem like the rest of his resume as there isn't much anti-Mexican rhetoric in it.
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Her athletic build and fighting skills are *perfect* for the role of amazon. It would be retarded to cast some girly-girl like Megan fox or other teeny female. Who says wonder woman can't use fighting skills? She's a warrior for craps sake! She should have a toned physique and a formidable presence. There would be few women in hollywood that would be more perfect.
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Sure, if you go with the classic lame-brained version of WonderWoman.
But there is a reason there is still no WW movie. And thats because the classic version of her is pretty retarded on all accounts.
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I'm not calling her fat. That's just an MMA reference to the fact she's only made weight in 1 of her 8 fights.
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Sep 07, 2009 5:15:23 PM CDT
I get the improbable part...but the second part is eluding me...
by badmrwonka
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sexy?
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Muscle weighs more than fat. She's not only not fat, she would probably have to lose muscle mass, not body fat to be lighter.
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She would certainly be believable as a fighter obviously. Hopefully she's a decent actor aswell. I'm up for a Soderbergh action film with Carano.
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because the head of the studio had some sexist views on female action heroes? I swear I read this.
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that the aintitcool crowd can almost unanimously agree about the introduction of a "new star". I just hope it works out for her. She was my windows wallpaper for quite a while.
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Sep 07, 2009 5:46:08 PM CDT
In Regard To WW: She Could Work In The Role...If She Can Act!!!
by media messiah
She certainly gives a good interview. I could fall in love with her...easily!!!
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A top WB exec claimed that female led action films don't make money--citing "Cat Woman" as an example--but what he failed to take into consideration, is the fact that, his own company, that being The WB made a horrible film, and ad campaign in the form of Cat Woman. This was not the fault of the character, or audiences not responding to female action leads, in a positive manner, concerning such roles--the problem is, is that Hollywood has failed to make very good action and genre oriented action blockbuster films featuring enduring, and endearing (compelling), female heroines. WB's handling of such high concept films, as well...the film industry, as a whole, largely, have failed at this task, thanks to poor execution of said materials. The issue isn't with female action leads, or non accepting audiences, the problems lays solely with the studios. Give us a great movie, one that has a great ad campaign, and we will show-up to support it, en masse!!!
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It's more the studio's fault than it is the entire gender, as that fool tried to blame. I hope this film is a step away from the problem. If it succeeds, maybe they'll reconsider the WW movie.
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A top WB exec claimed that female led action films don't make money--citing "Cat Woman" as an example--but what he failed to take into consideration...is the fact that, his own company, that being The WB, made a horrible film, and accompanying...ad campaign, in the form of Cat Woman??? This was not the fault of the character not connecting with popular culture, or mainstream audiences not responding to female action leads--in a positive manner...concerning such roles--the problem is, that Hollywood has failed to make very good, to great, action, and genre oriented blockbuster films...which feature enduring, and endearing (compelling)...female heroines??? WB's handling of such high concept films, as well--the film industry, as a whole, have all largely, failed at this task, thanks to the poor execution of said materials. The issue isn't with female action leads, or non-accepting audiences, the problems lay solely with the studios--at their respective doorsteps. Give us a great movie, or great movies, ones that have great ad campaigns, and we will show-up to support them, en masse!!!
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Cum Fart Cocktails 5.
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And thanks to you, for bringing this subject back to light...for others to really ponder, debate, and ultimately show "the Powers That Be" in Hollywood, that they need to re-evaluate their views and actions--and change them!!!
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She'd be perfect for that. Make it a fun, over the top, almost charlie's angels type movie (I said ALMOST). She can later be in Avengers 2.
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La Femme Nikita made money. Movies with Female action leads can do well if they are made well. But they do have a higher bar -fair or not (not).
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hell, if Robin Williams can do it...look at that face--look at those teeth.
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Yes, her boyfriend was (is?) a muay-thai kick boxer.
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Actually I think they should look at the classic Wonder Woman; you know, the one that obviously was a metaphor for Rosie the Riveter ("We can do it").
But once again, why cast Gina Carano as a super-hero. She has yet to prove she can act, and while she is good looking (I like her look) she hardly looks like someone "who is as beautiful as Aphrodite."
And the actress who placed Xena WAS an actress. An unknown actress. So I am sure you could find an actress, an unknown one, who is probably getting over looked because of her height. Megan Fox I agree is a definite no-no, but if they did the same thing they did for the original Superman, and cast an unknown, attractive actress. It would be easier to turn a hot actress into a super-hero than a MMA fighter into an actress.
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Anything he does is worth watching. No two ways about it. Even Bubble was enjoyable. I'll watch Milo & Otis 2 if it's directed by Soderberg. Anyway, in that clip... is it me, or did Craig really, really want to fuck Gina Carano?
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She Hulk! Good call sir. Everything that Hulk lacks could be made up here. Tint her green thats it. Then set her loose to fuck shit up.
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And to not play into the classic way of portraying the character.
Find me an actress out there who
can fit the dimensions of WW?
The list basically boils down to a bunch of tall big chested bimbos with scant acting experience. Mostly models turned actresses.
So why not fighter turned actress?
If you make her a more stoic (which is a greek philosophy) type of hero, then she doesnt really have to be that chatty.
And honestly here... you really dont need advanced acting chops to play most super heroes.
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He bested me on conditioning...but I pretty much gave him an even fight--although we were only sparring.
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And they were horribly unprofessional!!! That said, this girl would be great in almost any super hero film, but just without a Charlie's Angels film franchise feel to it.
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...I figured-out a plausible...workable way, to introduce the Invisible Jet, one that actually works...and people would cheer for!!!About your JLA story--I think it is pretty great, but it could also symbolize...males trying to dominate the free will, and spirit of a female? I would alter that a little...to put a twist on what you are proposing...but you know, DC, and or, Warner Bros., should buy your story--it has potential.
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...it sucked!!! It was not executed well, although they had all the money to do it right?
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you be fuckin with all the hard bitches man! first Sascha Grey now Gina
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when he cast the not so innocent sasha grey
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If not, sure seems like it.
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Characterize WW correctly and this gal would be perfect for the part.
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First off, if you want here to be like Thor, then why do WW? I mean, a female Thor character is Valkyrie; why not just do her? She seems to be WW in name only.
Secondly, once again you have an "actress" who has barely acted. Her true gift is her ability to look authentic fighting - real fighting, not superhero fighting which is 90% authentic. So why cast her as a character where that skill is not-important? The only thing she has going for her is the build, and that is actually something they can duplicate with other actresses. I still say cast an unknown - someone who has studied acting, is trained in acting but has yet to make it big (like Lucy Lawless was BEFORE Xena).
Finally, I disagree with you that you don't need an actor for a super-hero movie. Actually, I think you do because you need to overcome the cynicism of modern audiences and allow them to suspend their disbelief. Casting a bad actor makes it hard to that - it isn't as easy as it looks to play an Amazon princess who gets her powers from the Greek gods, has a magic lasso, deflects bullets and rides in an invisible plane (or flies). -
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That was my first impression of him, after learning he casted a porn actress in his most recently shot films??? The casting couch is alive and well in Hollywood. Let's just hope it isn't happening with this female kick boxer.
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Sep 08, 2009 3:37:36 AM CDT
I think some of you fail to see the problems with Wonder Woman.
by dailysportspages
There is a reason why its been in development hell for soooo long.
She has no iconic villains.
She has no iconic companions.
She has no iconic storyline.
She has no iconic reason for being.
What she does have is pretty silly by todays standards.
Even her costume is retarded
There is simply nothing GREAT that has ever come out of Wonder Woman. Nothing.
Name me something?
Her golden age comics and stories are completely retarded.
Her silver age storylines are simplistic ant dumb.
And even most of her modern stuff is just dross.
Finally they have sorta taken her seriously the past few years... but its a bit late. Specially with Alan Moore coming in with Promethea.
Lets try, do you remember an iconic moment from a Wonder Woman story?
What Wonder Woman comic book would you recommend someone?
She is not in anything good that is not part of an ensemble piece like the JLA.
And that makes the movie a hard sell.
So you need sex appeal and you need star power and you need to eliminate all of the things that most people would find retarded and focus on the things that work well about the character.
Then take those things and magnify them. Give her a very strong reason for being. Something that makes her completely independent and different from Superman and Batman.
Your 3 choices are...
An unknown actress who has the right height (most likely wont have the right build), and is probably not much of an actress... but more of a model turned actress.
A big name sexy actress who will most likely not fit the role at all other than the fact that she is super hot.
Or a compromise within the two.
A lesser known actress who fits most of the characters physical traits, and who can be molded into playing the pretty simple role of a superhero.
Bringing in an Oscar winning actress is not the point here, you arent trying to bring weight to the movie. You bring weight to the movie by the casting of the supporting characters, of the villain, and by the script and director you choose.
Does having the great Christian Bale growl through all of TDK make his portrayal of Batman that much better than if he was played by Tymothy Olyphant or someone a bit less talented than Bale?
The studio will always try to cover its ass with a movie like this, and when they can cast a hot chick that is already imprinted in young mens minds as the epitome of todays sex appeal... they will.
Megan Fox = Automatic Tickets Sold on day one by the entire slew of young men who find her to be the "it" girl right now.
And thats a lot.
But she is wrong for the part.
But they might not care and cast her anyway.
Unless they find someone who is right for the part and also gives them that guarantee of capturing the current zeitgeist in regards to young mens fantasies.
And Gina Carano has been building towards that during the past year.
Put her in what looks to be an action movie by a director that has big hits under his belt... and you may be looking at the very next "it" girl in Carano.
And the WW folks should get on that train.
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Let me think::
Cheetah (just as iconic as Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul, probably more so)
Steve Trevor
George Perez's Challenge of the Gods was pretty good.
She is an Amazon who leaves her home (originally forever and giving up her immortality) to travel to Man's World and fight the evil that has spread there (originally the Axis). And her ultimate weapon against evil isn't fist or firepower but the power of love (she can also turn a hawk into a dove).
And yes, her costume is retarded IF YOU DON'T SET it in WWII because back then the Amazon's gave her that costume so the American's would see that she was on their side.
As for her Golden Age stories being retarded: have you ever read the Golden Age Superman or Batman stories? Her stories were light years better than theirs; William Moulton Marston and H.G. Peter did one of the most ingenious (and subversive) comics of that era.
And yeah, she did become retarded. All female characters did, and during the beginning of the "Marvel Age" almost all female characters were reduced to insignificant partners (isn't it amazing that Marvel's first three female heroes was a woman who disappeared when trouble started, go small and weaker, and moved objects with her mind so she didn't display any visible means of helping). DC heroines weren't much better: they were all female versions of male characters, and usually demoted to being only a girl (Supergirl, Hawkgril, Batgirl). Hell poor Batgirl didn't even have a black belt in judo, only a brown. And Wonder Woman wasn't completely excluded from being influenced by that era; it wasn't until the feminist movement of the 70s and the TV show that she was brought back to her powerhouse ways.
And considering all the weaknesses and flaws you listed for Wonder Woman, why the fuck make a movie about her? Why not just find another mythological character or fantasy female warrior who would more closely fit the movie and character you want. Wonder Woman is a fantasy wish fulfillment character; a comic book character. You know, 22 pages of bright, colorful adventure. And she is super-heroine fantasy in the mold of Superman; not Red Sonja or the modern Batman. You can't really do a serious movie about an Amazon from Greek myths fighting evil in the modern era (or even during WWII). You also need someone who can do romance (Steve Trevor, WW version of Lois Lane) something I don't know if Gina can pull off.
Finally, I think you are putting the cart before the horse with Gina Carano. We don't know if she can act or has the presence to be a big name star. We do know she doesn't have super-hot looks - the sex appeal you talked about. I like her look; she is attractive yet still looks realistic and like a real person. She is a female Daniel Craig; someone with sex appeal but not the perfect appearance. I like that. But that is not what Wonder Woman is, who is said to rival Aphrodite's beauty. Wonder Woman is the uberfrau, the perfect woman in every way.
And once again, for a girl (Gina) who hasn't acted much, you are taking away her best attributes when you put her in a WW movie. She knows how to fight; that is what she brings to a movie, the authenticity of someone who can actually throw a bunch of a kick. Wonder Woman's doesn't go toe to toe with most foes, just like Superman doesn't. And when she does it is a superhuman fight, not a bloody and brutal affair. Wonder Woman can lift cars and over turn tanks and block bullets with her bracelets, things that Special Effects will have to handle. Gina doesn't have to know those things. Cast her as an "actual" action hero: a bounty hunter, a vigilante, Red Sonja, not as fantasy super-heroine.
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the LIMEY commentary!
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I think anyone who watched the tv series or the Saturday morning cartoon character first run, or in their many years of syndication - particularly those who grew up doing so - will have some affection for a WW movie. Having said that, I own roughly more comic books than would be considered sane and not ONE of them is Wonder Woman. I'm not even sure I've ever picked one up.
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Blade and spawn were not iconic, nor was elektra. They have made plenty of movies based on new, little known and certainly non iconic characters. Not all good, but some were moneymakers and entertaining.
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I sort of agree w. Conti. Gina would be a better Hawkgirl (version from the cartoon not the hopelessly confused comic book version). Looks, attitude, and even the fighting skills match up well.
As for WW. I think the Princess dumped in the real world storyline could be applied well to her just throw in superpowers. -
green lanterns not iconic and neither is the green hornet; i'd argue that she has more name recognition than either of the other two. People know more about WW's lasso and braclets than they do GL's power ring. Seth Rogen is not laurence olivier, if he can play Green Hornet why can't she do WW especially considering that Soderbergh has a enough faith in her to cast her as the lead.
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All it takes for WW and GL to succeed is to get the Christopher Nolan treatment. Like he did for batman. As far as I am concerned, Tim Burton's batman was a cartoonish half-assed interim movie that isn't even close to BB or DK. Yet it made batman iconic. Before this movie, batman was thought of a silly 60's show with silly sound effects, hardly intimidating.
Now it's time for Nolan, or someone like him to make a movie first, and a comic character second. Make a compelling tale, modernized with respect to the source material and WW or GL will become icons. Right now, WW's best iteration was her Dc direct to dvd movie. But most people think of her as the pretty, but incredibly lame Linda Carter 70's TV character. That's easy to fix. -
You missed the ALMOST. But yeah Charlie's Angels wasn't the best example... Still think a SHe-Hulk movie with Gina should be crazy and over the top.
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You guys are missing the point.
Batman was already iconic before Batman Begins... saying that Nolan made Batman iconic is pretty silly.
I mention iconic because thats how DC has positioned Wonder Woman. That she is part of a trinity alongisde Batman and Superman.
She obviously is not. We all know this of course.
Simply "being" does not make a character iconic. The stories, the background characters, the enemies, the ordeals... such things make a character iconic.
IMO the Green Lantern is leagues ahead of WW.
The only iconic aspect of Wonder Woman is her image. Thats it.
A movie needs a lot more than just an image to move it forward.
Who is in Wonder Womans life other than Steve Trevor? Who BTW is the most retarded version of a Lois Lane ever. He is everything than Lane is not. He is just a corn fed airhead hunk type of boy toy. There is not much depth to him at all.
And what are they going to mine for a possible movie?
Where is Wonder Womans The Dark Knight Returns, or her Killing Joke or even Long Halloween?
Where is her Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow, or The Man of Steel?
They need to push her as an ass kicking WARRIOR. Not some waif who fights people off with her magic trinkets.
No, she should be in there using her Amazon trained martial skills. If you have seen the recent animated movie of Wonder Woman you would see what i mean. Thats one of the better depictions ive ever seen of the character... and she is there kicking serious ass.
IMO she needs to be a hand to hand fighter.
Continentalop: I agree with you that Challenge of the Gods is arguably the best use of Wonder Woman in the comic realm (up to maybe the last few years). But im not sure how that is a knock on my argument.
What im talking about is building upon a lot of the stuff from that comic.
The alternative costumes, the battle armor, the using of a sword more than he lasso, her being a physical ass kicker, mining her mythological past while at the same time grounding her in more of a somewhat modern reality, etc...
Even the side characters become somewhat more interesting. Cheetah actually stopped being a woman in a suit and was actually transformed into a cheetah.
Your opinion when i ask for a decent WW story is to give me the one that most closely resembles what im talking about... and which at the same time is a very far cry from the "classic" way she is remembered by most folks.
And thats because most folks remember her from the TV show.
Jaka: Yeah, those who watched the TV show are how old now? I dont think the studio is counting on them to drive ticket sales.
Just like they didnt count on people my age who grew up watching GI JOE to be the driving force behind that movies box office. (and why all the modernization to appeal to the younger kids).
Power Ring: Thanks for proving my point by putting up movies that have generally been considered disappointing.
Although i personally really enjoyed Blade. But it had the benefit of a real talented director, a guy who was one of the biggest stars at the time AND a great martial artist, and the writer of the very underrated Dark City, and subsequently Batman Begins, some of TDK, and slew of other genre stuff thats pretty good.
My guess is that if Blade didnt have all of that going for it, it would have also sucked.
Blade is a good example for my point though. You take a character like that and you focus it down to its pure and best aspects, and then you put talented people on the job... and you can turn a so-so character into a hit movie. And the $130M that Blade made was considerably more than what it cost to make. So it was somewhat of a hit.
Now im not saying that its Gina Carano or bust... but that i want someone who can actually perform the physicality on the set and it look real on film.
I dont want it to look all fake like how it looks when most women fight on screen.
If Gina cant act her way out of a paper bag then i wouldnt want her i the role either... but she has to have some kind of acting ability for SS to have hired her, right?
And through working for him will only help her learn the craft even more.
If not, im telling you guys... they will pick a chick like Megan Fox.
Although im guessing they would try to get Anne Hathaway due to her 5'8 height, high waist, long legs, skinny arms, strange facial beauty, and nice tits.
She fits the Lynda Carter mold in some ways, specially in the studios PoV. And she is of course a name actress who does have some talent.
I say nay.
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I just really hate the "Charlie's Angels" movies, and thought that the cheese cake simpleton tv series...was Shakespear compared to the films.She'd make a great, She-Hulk, of course, Terminatrix, or Xena, etc. Regardless, I think, if she can act, she certainly has the "It" Factor to become a major star.
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I think I get where you are coming from now. In your earlier post you made it sound very much like "Gina Carano or nothing." Like I said earlier, I personally don't think she would make a good WW. She brings authenticity and a realism to WW, something that doesn't always work good for a Super-Heroine who is so much larger than life.
And yes, I agree 100% that Wonder Woman is a disappointing character now, but disagree that she always was. Sure here Golden Age stories were corny, but ALL super-hero comics back then were. Here's were at least epic in scope and she at least had a theme in her comic, unlike other characters of the time. I'm not saying do an adaptation of the Golden Age stories, but I would difinitely recommend the writers of a WW movie to go look at them to see what the creators where trying to do. It is full of subtext, metaphors and symbolism that can be mined once again (and some of that subtext is much more "adult" than most people realize).
And I also disagree about Steve Trevor being a worse version of Lois Lane. Once again, in the Golden Age he was a truly original character. Here was the all-American hero type, a smart, brave Air Force pilot during the War (not some dumb corn fed type like you suggest) who turns down the meek and submissive Diana Prince because he loves the strong, brave and resourceful Wonder Woman. Think about that - he is a man who wants a strong female, not someone he can dominant. He is comfortable with his own masculinity that he isn't threatened by Wonder Woman, unlike many other men in her comics. And Steve's noble traits so great she falls in love with him, a normal mortal man. It says a lot about his character.
I also think Cheetah was better as a woman in a suit than a humanoid cheetah. A feline-female hybrid is just a monster, a variation of the Wolfman. Monsters don't plot. Sure she should have powers, but she still look human and just wore a Cheetah costume, a kind of female version of Kraven the Hunter who hates and hunts Wonder Woman. Alex Ross understood this, and that is one of the reason's he used the human Cheetah for his Justice limited series and for the cover of the DC Universe Encyclopedia. Non-human villains only make good fights, not good plots (see the Lizard - if they use him for the next Spider-Man movie they'll have to team him up with someone).
And I don't think it is necessary to go all out "warrior" for Wonder Woman. She has powers - what is the point of all these weapons? I don't mind rationalizing why she has her weapons (or trinkets as you called them) and updating her costume, but I don't think you want to throw the bath water out with the baby. Her look is iconic, and she is a super-heroine not a fantasy swordswoman. Why discard ALL of it when you just have to make wise editorial decisions.
Personally, I think almost all of her corniness could be rationalized by a good writer and director, and that includes the invisible plane. If they can come up with a rational for Batman's cape in BB, they can come up with an invisible plane. -
I am right there with you. Blade, even blade II was a lot of fun from a character that was totally unknown to me, and fringe in nature. Dark City is a classic! WW suffers from the image people get from early comics, and the tv series. Like batman, she needs a revamp. The colors are too bright, and her image is too lightweight and sugary. Although, on the animated Justice league and here DVD she was well done. They can notch it up from there.
I have wanted to see a GL movie forever. The possibilities are limited only by the writers imagination. Sure, Hulk can growl and throw tanks, but the ring can (and has) destroy planets like dark phoenix. There is more untapped potential in GL than any other character out there. The problem is the haters/nay sayers (that are too blind to see a cash cow or potential) just dismiss it offhand because they just don't know. Imagine what Xena did on tv times 1000. That is WW.
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