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Titles and plotlines for tonight’s episode and those beyond:
3.4 "The Arrangements"
Don crosses paths with his father-in-law; Peggy searches for a new roommate; and a new client with money to throw around is very excited about doing business with the firm.
3.5 "The Fog"
Concern over Sally's behavior causes Don and Betty to act; opportunistic Pete tries to work a new angle into his business dealings; and an odd dream has a strange effect on Betty.
3.6 "Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency"
Sterling Cooper receives a surprise visit; Sally is spooked; and Joan gets some unexpected news.
3.7 "Seven Twenty Three"
3.8 "Summer Vacation"
3.9 "Wee Small Hours"
3.10 "The Color Blue"
3.11 "The Gypsy and the Hobo"
3.12 "The Greatest Generation"
3.13 "The Silo"
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Don crosses paths with his father-in-law; Peggy searches for a new roommate; and a new client with money to throw around is very excited about doing business with the firm.
Concern over Sally's behavior causes Don and Betty to act; opportunistic Pete tries to work a new angle into his business dealings; and an odd dream has a strange effect on Betty.
Sterling Cooper receives a surprise visit; Sally is spooked; and Joan gets some unexpected news.
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She has to be pregnant right? Episode 3 pretty much made it so with all the baby talk.
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And Lost, etc on regular stations barely crank out 10?
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And used to have 24 episode seasons. WTF are you talking about?
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Bright House added AMC HD to their line-up yesterday. First HD episode of season 3 tonight! Hope it can compare to the Blurays of seasons 1 and 2. Mad Men's sets and costumes deserve High Def.
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Most of my favorite shows have less than that, among them is "Breaking Bad." I really feel that, that's just about the right number of episodes for shows like these.Iit's just the right ammount of time to build up tension before the season finale, and you don't have to deal with a bunch of filler episodes that are there just to meet a quota.
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I'm also a big fan of Rescue Me. They extended the most recent season to 25 episodes, and to be quite honest, while I enjoyed most of the episodes, everything felt drawn out. It didn't feel like there was a great deal of progression in each individual episode, and that's simply because the progression of the storyline had to be slowed for the purpose of extending the season.
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I've really changed my tune about the length of TV season recently. All the best shows now, in my opinion, are the ones with shorter seasons. They are scripted tighter and work better. I'm all for 13-16 episodes seasons.
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and when they did it was shit like Adama rolling around in paint.
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...than 24 CRAP episodes in a row like, uh, Heroes. lol.
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i completely missed the fact that don was talking to conrad hilton. i want to rewatch that scene now, it definitely brings a whole new dimension to their conversation. it was a great scene nonetheless.
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I must say, I just LOVE Joan. She probably had the best line tonight. Hopefully Peggy takes her advice, although I hope she doesn't end up with a roommate who has a lesbian obsession with her like Joan did. That would be unfortunate.
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Everytime I look at Don Draper I see Superman.
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Talk about a soap opera. The show is great and all, but how about getting out of the office/ Don's house once in a while.
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This episode was just incredible and one of the best of the series. Somehow whenever I watch this show it always seems to match directly what I'm going through. But enough of that did anyone else see the smirk Peggy gave Don when the Patio guys turned down the advertisement.
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Elisabeth Moss is the queen of understated subtlety. She was right after all. I love that this show will not bother with a line where a look will do. By the way, was the fact that Grandpa Gene was smelling oranges where there were none a sign that his brain was going? I assumed after the fact that that was a clue...
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fucking genius this show is. That shot of Sally on the floor watching t.v. gave me chills. same with the final shot of don folding up the bed. its more than a soap opera. this is television at its finest.
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guess they're starting early.
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I think after that performance the girl who plays Sally should definitely be considered for an emmy nomination that scene was just pure raw emotion and was done so brilliantly. Really the creators of the show deserve all the praise they get and more.
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...I loved the moment when Sal's wife is watching him act out Bye-Bye Birdie and suddently realize what his deal is. The way he hugs her and she just folds into him with this "Well shit" look on her face.
And yes, that closing shot with Sally was pretty strong. That little girl had some great moments this ep. My favorite was the smile on her face when Gene is letting her drive the car. -
God do I love her. Undeclared, Carnivale, Californication...I just wish this season could figure out what it's about. I am enjoying this strange Sally/grandpa relationship. And that scene between Sal and his wife was brutal.
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I believe JFK was in charge when we first started sending troops into Vietnam, so, pre-1963. Johnson escalated it, but Kennedy first sent us in there. Though, I think we had some level of involvement going back to the 50s after the French were pushed out by the natives.
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Yeah, actually the realization on Kitty's face as Sal reenacted the commercial was heartbraking. She knows the score, sadly. That must be tough. And yes, little Kiernan Shipka is getting a lot more challenging stuff this season as Sally. She even got billed in the opening credits. I wonder if Wiener takes the kid actors aside and pep talks them at the start of the season if he knows he's going to push them. Did anyone else notice that they recast Bobby this season?
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It's ridiculous.
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Slattery only gets one line the whole episode... but DAMN that line killed.
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or deformed. EVERY shot of Betty has her smoking or drinking HUGE glasses.
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For some reason I got the feeling he was going to get one of the kids seriously hurt.
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according to wikipedia. damn those buggers were in the bush for quite a while.
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Sep 06, 2009 11:35:03 PM CDT
Tonight's episode took place on and before June 11th, 1963
by voice o. reason
Based on the burning monk footage. They're cruising through this year pretty quickly...as if something important happens toward the end of the year that extra time will get spent on. Hmmm....
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As in banging women. Maybe but it sounds more like the 70s.
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i think he said 'bagging' women. big difference.
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Was when Gene showed Bobby the woman's fan. "There was this girl....." cut to black.
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1. If the writers are canny, the wars between Betty and Sally are just beginning, and they will be EPIC! More than any other episode so far, you can see the seeds of resentment and rebellion in Sally being planted. I really hope the little girl who plays her actually has the chops to pull off where the series could go with this.
2. Sal's wife's subtext after he acted out the scene from the commercial: "Dude, you are so gay." I have to say, I am a little uneasy about how that scene went down. It seemed...obvious? At that moment, the show almost seemed to be pandering to heterosexual expectations of gay stereotypes. I mean, he was literally *mincing*, ferchrissakes. It's almost like if Sal were black passing for white, and they suddenly had him coveting a watermelon.
3. All things considered, when it came to Grandpa, the Drapers got off easy. When it comes to aging family members, I think the more common experience is for the families to cope with a long, protacted illness. And the kids invariably get a front row seat, and the emotional damage that does with it. Not so, here. The good news is that, again, Grandpa was able to plant a seed of self-esteem in Sally, and that serve her well in the mother/daughter wars that would inevitably come in real life.
4. My take away from the Jai Alai story -- the son was a pompous douche, sure, but he also had a thread of nobility and idealism that set him apart from his father in a good way. Is this a comment about the nascent youth culture and brewing counterculture of the sixties? (Answer: Sure!)
5. Rob in WI is absolutely right: "It wasn't Ann-Margaret" really nailed a lot. -
I guess
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Is it just me or does she look about 20 years younger than him. Or just in general unrealistically young for him. I liked the episode in general though.
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I've lost track.
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I sort of had the same general reaction to her, but then I started thinking, Sal was probably alone and confused most of his adult life, until this young, slightly forward little girl took a serious interest in him, and probably convinced herself she was in love with this hard-working, sensitive older man because she thought she should be and it was a safe, logical step, and Sal went with it because this young girl saw him how she wanted to see him, not how he is. I think it makes sense in a way that she is so much younger than he is, she's young and didn't understand who he was at the time probably. On first glance it puzzled me, but I think it actually makes perfect sense and is yet another example as to how in-depth and serious this show takes its casting decisions and backstory for characters. I think it was a marriage of convenience and comfort for both of them.
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In this season I'm pretty sure. I'm fairly positive Grandpa Gene said that she was ten at one point this season, and that she could accomplish anything she wanted, but even without that, she looks about ten or eleven, IMO
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Take a peek at what happened November 22, 1963, that would considerably rattle every character on the show. Fuck it, I'll answer my own question, JFK was assassinated.
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Thus far I think this has been almost perfectly done. It's great to see.
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Voice O Reason was being a bit cryptic and dry... also, didn't we see in the first episode that the wedding date is November 22?
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Especially in that little green nightie she was wearing. I dig her.
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I do despair America, I really do.
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Is the Period Blood Girl(as well as many other awesome roles) I really can't wait to see what they give her to do in this show.
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his coworkers saw his behavior as artistic...only a woman who had been living with him and not having sex with him would put the pieces together...sal is gonna get busted at stonewall in the final season and i loved how they showed the disintegration of the nuclear family in one simple hour
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Having the baby bed and Grandpa's folding bed in the same shot, with Don in the middle since his character is about 36-38 (half-way mark in life): pretty clever.Sally is going to become a screaming teen on Feb. 4th, 1964, and later a hippie chick, and she will be at Woodstock in 1969.Peggy's home life was also spot on. Peggy's mom seems to be of the generation born between 1885-1913, and they could be very vindictive to their grown childern when they would break away.Don's blue-collar sense of decency was showing when he tried to stop the company from scamming the young kid with a dream. Also popped up again when he made Sal a commercial director.One other thing, Peggy's mom is going to be distraught when JFK is killed.-----later-----m
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...and Jack Ruby regrets he won't be able to make it that day, as he has important business to attend to.
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Thank you... I couldn't remember who's wedding it was, but I remembered reading the invitation and smirking a bit.
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WHERE IS DUCK PHILLIPS?
Now, from end of season 2 to beginning 3 ALOT of time has passed(like a year?)-and i loved season 1 and 2 of madmen-and when season2 ended....duck was in charge-and don was going to bail, and duck mentioned a contract.WHAT DID I MISS? Season 3 starts, and don is there, duck is gone-please explain!!! -
Don didn't have a contract, and though Sterling Cooper was bought out, it's implied that Duck was let go to keep Don (who was a partner). Don became defacto creative director again in the reshuffle, though still a player in the new regime.
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I know the serious requires the viewer to make logic jumps on your own(which is pretty cool)-but It DID feel like Duck was built up for something more.I guess the real plot was to setup the introduction of the london chaps!
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But I could be mistaken.
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Nobody said "banging" in the sixties, in an office. Talk about crude. Bagging broads. Much more socially acceptable.
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But now that I've seen this particular episode, I don't recall any of the quotes Hercules called out as being said or asked with such emphasis or importance as to warrant 2 exclamation points or 2 question marks. Way to exaggerate, Herc!!!
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But women like Betty didn't use the word lesbian casually about her own daughter like she did a few weeks ago either. There are inevitable mistakes on the show. Maybe someone who DVRed it can rewatch and say what they think. Not that it's a big deal but it'd be nice to know for sure for the hell of it.
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Just saw the show on my DVR.
Definitely said "bagging" without question.
I'm excited to see Sally's shenanigans next week. That girl is getting some great scenes, stealing them right under January Jones. Excited to see her evolve next to Peggy, Joan.
Hate to say it, but do we now place odds on Peggy getting raped? -
i just found out who peggy's next roomate is...my god, the makeup work on this show is great...i didnt recognize her until i watched the scene again seems she works alot, but i miss all her stuff, or overlook it great in undeclared...brilliant in carnivale...hope she gets a good arc
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she's the chick from Carnivale who told the guy to put it in her ass, cause, "she didn't want him going where all the other johnny's go"
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How do you record AMC on your DVR? For some reason it is the only channel on my cable that won't record due to "copy protection detected." Did you get around it somehow?
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Who wants Ice Cream!
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was one of the Mad TV castmembers of the past few years.
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Thanks, Mad Men!
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I think the main reason Duck is gone is because of the meltdown at the meeting at the end of last season. It was his Captain Queeg moment, and afterwards it was clear that he wasn't fit to run an Avon distributorship. After having paved the way for the takeover, the English were all too ready to dismiss him with a mixture of ruefulness and disdain: "He never could hold his liquor."
Duck was a tragic character. He sought redemption, struggled mightily for it, and was ultimately subsumed by his own weakness.
* If Sally is 10 years old now, that means she'll be 11 for Beatlemania, and 16 or 17 in time for Woodstock. It'd be an easier fit is she were a little older.
* Don did show compassion for the Jai Lai guy. Like I said before, the tenor and substance of the Jai Alai guy's approach had some nobility to it. But the "Let's get one thing clear: If this fails, it's your fault" thing was enough to undercut it. -
must have been really fucked up. tonight's episode was all about the contentious relationships parents have with their children. the jai alai dude and his father setting him up to fail, the grandpa/betty/sally dynamic, peggy's nasty bitch of a mother not being able to let her go, and don's longing for any type of paternal relationship that was shown when he was staring at his parents' photo. and is it me, or are there considerably more laugh-out-loud moments this season? mad men has always had humorous elements, but the past 2 episodes in particular have had some very funny scenes. i've said it before and i'll say it again: mad men is the best and most rewarding show on tv right now.
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I think they will explain it later in the season. After all what happened with Peggy wasn't explained fully until midway through season 2 so my guess is we'll see him at some point this season. It's a shame we aren't getting to see his character, because his story became really interesting.
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After S2 was over, I had assumed(perhaps prematurely) that the purpose for the Freddy Story, was to show the manner in which a man like Duck would be handled. Keep Watching, eventually someone will say the phrase "drying-out" and it will be the final nail in his coffin.
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weiner's childhood was very much like mine we are basically the same age, so he probably experienced life in mostly the same way yes, parents of the 60s could be somewhat distant...but that is how they were raised and the whole dealing with death thing was pitch perfect i wasnt allowed to attend my grandfather or grandmothers funerals....it wasnt a place for kids...so i wasnt allowed to experience the loss in the same way the adults did...and i remember thinking how unfair it was and sally is going to rebel...hard too bad they are going to have to hire another actress...the kid is great
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i was only half joking with my "weiner must have had a fucked up childhood" comment, but i totally understand your points. i guess i'm just conditioned to a generation of coddling parents where no one keeps score and everyone's kids get "participation" trophies. that's why the parent/child relationships in mad men seem so harsh to me. in an era where children and their parents are taught to get in touch with their feelings from an early age, mad men is a welcomed window into the world my parents grew up in.
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that guy was annoying twat.
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Has to be the newest DraperSpawn. Don impregnated Betty in September 1962. As of 3.4, It's now June 1963. We're at the nine month mark.
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Some of what we're seeing may have been typical, but can we agree Betty isn't treating her kids very nicely, even in that era. I mean, Don's little nod to Sally seemed to say, "Yes, you're mother's nuts, but do what she says."I think Gene wasn't too bad of a guy, it turns out. When Betty was a kid, the father had much less to do with raising the kids, and it seems to suggest if it was him doing it, he wouldn't have screwed up Betty as much as her mother did. He's trying to make up for that with Sally. I also think his snapping at Bobby was some redirected reaction to the weaselly little bastard William turned out to be.
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It's funny, but to me, this episode was much more sympathetic to parents than usual. It was about parents disappointed in how their kids turned out, regretting how they raised them. The rich kid's father, Betty's Dad, etc. Peggy's mom, too, but she's just a lonely bitch. Gene's comments to Betty may have seemed cruel to say to your kid, but they were probably right.
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The original, like Don said, was sexy with an air of (maybe pretend) innocence. The "exact duplicate" was slutty and slightly awkward. I wonder if that's a reflection on Sal's sexuality as well: he's gay, he doesn't get what men liked about Ann Margret, and that's why the commercial ended up exaggerating the original performance?
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"Don't wear a dead mans hat." Coming from a man living a dead mans life...its the little stingers like that (and the afore mentioned Sal "acting out" the commercial, the shot of the daughter lying on the floor with the kitchen in the background, etc), that make this show what it is.
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doesn't someone smell odd odors just prior to having a stroke or seizure, not hours before?
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But, it seems too easy to say there was something off about the commercial because Sal was gay. After all, no one else seemed to have a bad reaction to it. I think the fact that it was a meticulous shot for shot remake made it seem like an unoriginal copy. Maybe a comment on everyone pretending to be what they're not? I still tend to agree that Roger only had one line because it was the most truthful line in the show. It's not Ann Margret, just someone pretending.Also, couldn't the movie studio have sued them? I guess it could fall under the realm of parody, but still.
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Fucking grandpa giving the Prussian helmet to Don's son and don laying down the law. Draper is my hero except when it comes to his philandering. The duality is so shocking.
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They are hinting at a severe existential crisis here on his part. He nearly sabotages the jai alai deal and then gives Sal the director job even though it's pretty obvious the "something off" about the Pattio ad was the fact that it was directed by a gay man. At least that's how I interpreted it. What the hell is Draper doing?
BTW: You know how I know you're gay? You can do a note perfect imitation of Ann Margaret's Bye Bye, Birdie. -
Don bonded with Connie Hilton making drinks at the club, it would be a nice touch for Connie to introduce his son Barron to SterlingCooper about doing an ad campaign for the San Diego Chargers of the fledgling American Football League. According to the book "America's Game," young Ad Execs in New York realized the potential of television friendly Pro-Football and many dubbed it "The Sport of the Sixties," eventually supplanting Major League Baseball as the premiere sport of the country. Don has a knack for future trends so doing an ad campaign for the "new" league would be a great opportunity. I can see how clueless Sal would be as a commercial director coming up with ideas for the AFL campaign.
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of Dons knowledge of Sals sexual preference to go off. They can't keep that bit of information without it paying off at some point. Or maybe its just an indication of Dons faith in Sals talent to not let that affect his judgement. With this show it could go either way.
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a man living under a secret of who they are..so there's another way.
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The scene with Sally may have been a direct nod of the hat to the daughter in the book "American Pastoral" by Phillip Roth. If so, the Draper family is in for rough ride. The daughter became a 60's radical in the style of the Weathermen partly as a result of watching self-immolating Vietnamese monks at an early age.
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They are both adulterers with secrets. There's an old saying that nothing bonds men as much as a common vice.
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Yes I know Sal's situation is complicated by the societal pressures of the era. I was just putting it in simplified terms, probably close to how Don sees it. An elaboration on what Skimn said above.
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he tells them all about Peggy's child. Which will be the 12th of Never. Don isn't about setting off ticking bombs; Don is about ignoring them.
And Don and Sal *are* bonded by a common vice, and it isn't simply philandering. It's like skimn explained: It's the fact that they both have a freaky-deaky secret: Don stole the identity of another man and kept it, while Sal had a downlow homosexual experience in a hotel room in the early 1960s. Sal's bomb will probably go off someday, but Don won't be involved.
Meanwhile, I think the rejection of the commercial had little or nothing to do with Sal's gayosity; it all boiled down to Roger's comment.
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Never has been, never will be. Real life doesn't have ticking time bombs, and neither does this show. Each episode jumps through too much time and frames its situations and encounters too realistically to have a "ticking time bomb" situation of any kind. It just doesn't work. Even the closest thing they have had to it, which would be the shot of Pete sitting in his office with the rifle on his lap, will never go anywhere or be paid off. Pete Campbell will absolutely never go postal on anyone, in the office or not. Greggers has it correct. Don is about ignoring these things. If Sal's secret ever comes out, Don certainly won't be involved, and if he happens to be present, I imagine he'll leave the room. These secrets, the fact that there aren't "payoffs", just the wonderful knowledge that we, as viewers, have privleged and secret information about all the characters, and the joy we get knowing that they go through all of these situations with these secrets weighing on them, is what both sets Mad Men apart and makes it the most compelling television show on air right now.
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I was wrong. Just re-watched that scene. He %100 for sure says "flying around the world, banging broads." Surprising, but that is what he says. And the best line this episode, which I forgot was..."This is Pache. I'm terrified of him...taking balls to the face."
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"Are you drunk? It's polish handball."
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for each of Bridget Regan's breasts and 3 stars for Bruce Spence's overacting.
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"... for Beatlemania, and 16 or 17 in time for Woodstock. It'd be an easier fit is she were a little older."I disagree, I think the age is perfect. Being that young for Beatlemania gives her 6 years to develop a love of popular music, culminating with Woodstock at an age where she will most likely be at her most rebellious. Being "too young" for Woodstock will make her conflict with her parents that much more dramatic.
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