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IRON MAN’s Favreau & Downey To Team With STAR TREK’s Orci, Kurtzman & Lindelof For COWBOYS & ALIENS??
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Yee-haw!!
“Iron Man” director Jon Favreau is considering directing “Cowboys & Aliens,” a move that would team him with “Iron Man” star Robert Downey Jr. and “Star Trek” writer-producers Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof.
It’s based on the 2006 graphic novel written by Fred Van Lente and Andrew Foley, a period actioner about Arizona gunfighters contending with extraterrestrials.
DreamWorks and Universal hope to get it before cameras next summer.
"Iron Man" and "Star Trek" rocked! What's not to love?
Variety’s story on the matter amusingly refers to the next “Star Trek” movie as “Star Trek 2” and claims Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof have already completed its screenplay. Find all of Variety's story here.
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Or is he stuck in the can on that plane still? Back on topic...can't wait for this flick!
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to be the cowboy...
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How about it? This is the second time in the last few months that he's gone two weeks in a row with no DVD reviews. Harry, I knowmyou're job is so hard that you had to give all the heavy lifting to Merrick lately but fuck. The DVD reviews are just about the only thing you write anymore on this site and now you're slipping on that. What gives? Oh yeah, and fuck first, too!
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Never read it, is it any good? This sounds interesting and I'd pay to see Robert Downey Jr. paint my fucking ceiling. Looking forward to this.
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a long time! Great concept. Wonder how they'll change it?
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To maybe show up once in a while.
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Seems like internet movie news has been extremely slow everywhere for the past couple months. This site updates about three times every day, and the news is usually far from cool. nothing personal against this site, superherohype and joblo and everywhere else just all seem like they have nothing to say anymore
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Seemed like a big reason for pushing Avengers to 2012 was to allow Favreau time to prep the film. We know he's on as a producer, but will he really finish Iron Man 2, jump immediately into Cowboys and Aliens, then immediately into Avengers? That's pretty grueling. If Favreau's not directing, Louis Leterrier's got a totally clear schedule once he's done with Clash of the Titans. He wants the job, and anyone who saw that Hulk/Army fight knows he's absolutely up for handling the action Avengers requires.
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A much better take was the Manning Award-nominated graphic novel Territory 51.
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Sep 01, 2009 6:54:30 PM CDT
Get ready for Asimovlives bitching about star trek again
by bbbbeeeennnn
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a spec script for a "Predators vs. Cowboys" script floating around a couple months back?
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"What's cool? Cowboys! What's also cool? Aliens! Let's make Cowboys vs. Aliens! It'll be fucking awesome!"*PUKE*
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I really hope Abrams has some good writers on the next Star Trek.
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This project gets announced about this time every year, it seems. If you pay close attention to the press releases, you'll notice plenty of wiggle words that hint at the real deal...
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If this happens, Downey will bring Justin Theroux or whoever else he wants onboard to rewrite the thing.
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Hope they get more than weekend to write this one. Then again may be they'll just fare better if they have less mythology to deal with.
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This is the kind of assfuck they come up with after success has gone to their heads. Too bad these things never turn out worth a damn
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They already wrote it, turned it in last month. That script would be re-written as the basis for whatever Favreau did, if he's actually on this movie.
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I hope you get to work with another top notch Director instead of Bay.
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Have face huggers attach themselves to Cowboys and Voila!
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The Eagles Will Always Kick there ass With Romo under Center.
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...I don't mean gay as in "that's gay", I mean gay as in likes to wear chaps, is a top or a bottom and likes anal sex type of gay.
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Sep 01, 2009 7:32:10 PM CDT
...which isn't necessarily bad, it could be a great gay movie...
by flickapoo
...I'm just saying it sounds not straight.
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...the police man, the construction worker, the Indian...
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should be in this.
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...you know, feathers, tomahawks, and scalping...not dots and slurpys.
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The mere mention of Orci makes his blood boil
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...selling them is a noble calling. They just don't have anything to do with COWBOYS & INDIANS. That's my main point.
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I wouldn't mind if Louis Leterrier directed Avengers. I didn't like the script for Incredible Hulk but everything else seemed fine. As long as the Avengers script is as good or better than Iron Man.
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...about the gay thing?
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Sep 01, 2009 7:42:55 PM CDT
I think we have to say Asimovlives like seven times
by theycallmemrtibbs
and he will appear into your monitor slinging profanities around like confetti about his dislike for "Jar Jar Abrams and the Star Trek funky bunch....
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Sep 01, 2009 7:46:10 PM CDT
Wasn't this the plot of a recent SyFy Channel "original"???
by kongmonkey
May as well call it Brokeback Mountain 2: Who Probes Who?
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Sep 01, 2009 8:05:36 PM CDT
I THINK LETERRIER DID A FINE JOB WITH THE INCREDIBLE HULK.....
by carlthormark1978
Yeah, it was uninspired in comparison to Ang Lee’s movie, which I still consider to be an underrated near-masterpiece, but it did everything it needed to. Solid script, good actors and a Director that did his job well. Nothing amazing but it wasn’t insultingly bad like X-Men 3 or Spider-man 3. Give Leterrier a quality script and I think he could do very well.
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They should get Will Smith to play the cowboy in this. He already proved he was a believable cowboy in that very excellent movie that crossed technology and cowboys. Great concept. A real winner. Lets put all the $ making Marvel stuff on hold for this. Wait...does Disney own this too?
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Actually, FlickaPoo not all Native American tribes scalped people, and the origins of the practice are not nearly as clear-cut as your post implies.
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Star Trek Poo: The Wrath of Asimov! ;-)
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Liked this idea more when it was called "Firefly" - with all the cowboy action & spaceships & Companions you could eat...Mmmmm...Companions
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Cowboys and Aliens is a film pitch written as a comic book about three years ago so Scott Rosenberg could market it to the studios as part of the "comic book movie trend." Rosenberg's greatest success was selling Men in Black to Sony, and he's been trying to replicate it ever since. His company, Platinum Studios, only exists as a farm for potential IP to be sold into film development.
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That's the only way I'd watch syfy channel castoffs like this crap. Platinum Studios sucks frog ass.
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You know what this is really about? Dreamworks is offering Favreau a better deal than Marvel is. They have to admit that they need him working on Avengers right after Iron Man 2 is done. He knows the source material and he's great with actors, and you need someone who's great with actors to juggle all the characters that have to interact in this film.
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They've been signing talent on the cheap as an independent, up-and-coming movie studio. Now they're going to be an appendage of Disney and anyone who comes to work there is going to demand Disney money. If they can't pay, they've got problems.
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...you might have noticed that I stumbled from one vaguely offensive generalization to another. Apparently you take no offense at the suggestion that all Indian Americans sell slurpys...or that all gay people wear chaps...
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I guess Jon Fav doesn't read fan crap anymore.
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...if it was aliens vs. cowboys vs. pirates vs. robots vs. Draculas vs. Freddies vs. Frankensteins vs. Chuckies vs. Predators vs. Reanimators. And put some zombies and tarantulas in it.
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...if it really comes to fruition from Favreau and with Downey I'll certainly be seeing it.
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I just don't see it.
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I mean, for once in your career you hit a triple and now you're gonna take your eye off the ball? FFS!
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By shooting in the summer of 2010, Favreau will still be in post-production on COWBOYS by the time Avengers starts shooting in spring 2011. That means Letterier will be the director on AVENGERS, because he's already under contract for another Marvel film. He wasn't available earlier because Marvel wanted to move straight into Iron Man 2 after Hulk. He has openly talked about this, and they won't have to negotiate a higher fee for anyone else. Obviously no one is putting this together...
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Again: Favreau is supposed to start work on Avengers after finishing Iron Man 2...that would be Summer 2010. This is happening because Dreamworks is offering him a better deal. Do Marvel think they'll have an easy time getting Downey to come back again after Iron Man 3 if they alienate Favreau?
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REALLY?!?!?!?!?
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What's with all the extra question marks on so many of the headlines?
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1) It proves that Favs and Downey are sincere collaborators. If they're becoming a package deal for other projects, this rings of the Cameron/Schwarzenegger kind of friendship. And that means something in this dull, prepackaged age of Hollywood.
2) This is, despite what some people feel of the writers, a perfect vehicle for their sensibilities. Orci and Kurtzman are the right guys to take on this material- high adventure, big action pieces, etc. I rather they do this than try and write an Oscar-bait project like Akiva Goldsman did a few years back.
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Insiders know these things.
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Let's face it, they're going to have to NAIL the tone and pacing or this is just gonna seem stupid. I'm guessing there's too much that can go wrong for this to be right.
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and I'm not trying to be a hater. I just think it's too ambitious an idea. All the pieces would have to perfectly fall into place (i.e. getting Norton back on, a monster budget, and none of the other marvel films to get delayed) for it to ever become a reality. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the point in getting my hopes up for a film that likely won't ever happen.
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A guy is using a six shooter to fire at a spaceship?
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Sep 01, 2009 9:50:52 PM CDT
the comic was so so, but the premis and posible visuals make up
by ironic_name
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This thing has been in development hell for ages. So you'll forgive me if I laugh that it's being announced yet again. As someone noted above, it seems like somebody with a vested interest has this marked on their calendar just so they can re-announce it at the same time every year to try and draw attention to it.But for those interested in what the property is like, the original graphic novel is online...http://tinyurl.com/n4rarw
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To follow up on Big Dumb Ape's comment- I don't feel like searching Google news any more right now, but here are some links if you feel like a walk down the memory hole.
2004: http://tinyurl.com/m8geal ; 2007: http://tinyurl.com/mg9xrh ; 2008: http://tinyurl.com/ntzdcs -
If you want to read the graphic novel, the tinyurl address that I posted above works -- just be sure to take out the space that accidentally got inserted between .COM and the SLASH that immediately follows it.
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"What's not to love?" one can assume the answer is "plenty". This premise sounds dumb from the ground up. Mixing genres for the sake of novelty is never a good idea - I'm sure there will be a couple amusing sight gags and a few funny lines scattered through 90 minutes of painfully predictable set pieces. I like Favreau and Downey too much to see their talents wasted on this crap. I'm betting we can all come up with a half dozen other projects we would rather see these two working on...
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lockesbrokenleg would no doubt enjoy it...
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Ladi fucking da. I dont believe shit until I see a trailer anyway. Still waiting for Arnold Schwarzenegger to star in an Omega Man remake. Instead I get Will Smith and shit CGI. THANKS Hollywood insiders.
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....and SCORES!!!
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I called him out on his hackiness before & he tricked me. His reply was really, really nice, so I backed down & said he isn't a hack etc.
But he IS a hack! A very very lucky hack. Kurtzman too, but I never spoke with him, presumably because he probably can't type.
Orci on the other hand, has the cunning of a Fox. He got me to go from telling him exactly what I think, to saying "Nah, you're a nice guy really." I regret it every time his name is mentioned, because I really said what I thought the first time.
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Dang yo.
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Sep 02, 2009 12:06:21 AM CDT
This horrible script has been around since Dreamworks opened
by professor_monster
See the magic that can happen when everyone is repped by CAA - agency inbreading never makes a good movie
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But it doesn't even hold a candle to GI Joe. Through the Paris and Underwater battle sequences I was wishing Sommers had directed the SW prequels.
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at my comic store...and someone bought the movie rights. Ha!
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It's not great. Maybe I expected too much from the premise. I mean, Cowboys & Aliens is one cool sounding premise!
It started off well with the analogies & I thought it was gonna be smart & fun. It's fun enough, but I think it would need a hell of a lot added to it for a movie.
Yeah BSB, Borci made me his bitch, unfortunately. I'd just had a bad heart problem at the time though & was trynna be a bit relaxed here, but that's no excuse. He's a hack. A big hack hack. More hacky than Gene Hackman hacking with a Hacksaw.
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It's not great. Maybe I expected too much from the premise. I mean, Cowboys & Aliens is one cool sounding premise!
It started off well with the analogies & I thought it was gonna be smart & fun. It's fun enough, but I think it would need a hell of a lot added to it for a movie.
Yeah BSB, Borci made me his bitch, unfortunately. I'd just had a bad heart problem at the time though & was trynna be a bit relaxed here, but that's no excuse. He's a hack. A big hack hack. More hacky than Gene Hackman hacking with a Hacksaw.
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so you press it again & what happens? Double posting. What a fucking hack!
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...this has been in development since '97: http://tinyurl.com/lbmd3l
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to describe Kurtzman & Orci success with Trek 2, the more apt metaphor is that they bunted thier way onto first with a weak dribbler up the third base line. I think the only way that Trek even worked, in the mild form that it did, was due to Abrams fixing all the short comings of the talentless duo of Cuntman & Orcehole
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Im looking for someone to mention Gwangi but i guess im showing my age
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The Dumbnastic Duo strikes again.
Hope they stay clear of any upcoming Marvel based projects....Oh wait, since Disney accquired the the big "M" it's more than likely that the Wonder Hacks will damage more Intellectual Properties. -
Glad to read your mea culpa. If you remeber I'm the one who was there with ya calling him out on his hackery and then you suddenly dropped to your knees for him and opened wide. I called you on that, too but you scoffed. Glad to see you are back to your senses. Slap my butt!!
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don't feel bad. You were right all along.
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"I think the only way that Trek even worked, in the mild form that it did, was due to Abrams fixing all the short comings of the talentless duo of Cuntman & Orcehole"
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Sep 02, 2009 2:36:45 AM CDT
Stalkeye- do you really want to know how we keep getting work?
by boborci
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This might actually be a good marriage because I feel the same about Orci/Kurtzman as I do about Favreau/Downey, Jr., they are like a McDonald's cheeseburger, it tastes great at the time, it always taste exactly the same, but ultimately it is unsatisfying, unfulfilling, you regret eating it later when it gives you gas. When was the last time Downey created a character, was it CHAPMAN? He's been doing variations of the same irrascible erudite schtick since BACK TO SCHOOL, though I'll admit that he does it charmingly and it works well for Tony Stark, but it's just like, damn, dude used to be an actor not just a moviestar. There, I said it.
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or any other great writer of film. You will be a rich populist but you are like the Salieri of filmwriting. God gave you the desire but not the talent. It will kill you to spend your entire life/career and never see ANY of your pedestrian plothole-ridden works considered a classic that anyone will remember in time. You don't even have the love of movie geeks. You write movies for the jock cliques of high school. You're the Nickleback or Creed of screenwriting, successful but empty.
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Except no one knows Salieri's name. But you know my name, don't you bitch?
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And of course everyone knows Salieri's name as it was made famous by a truly great writer, Paul Shrader, unlike yourself who was made my famous by the likes of your STAR DRECK. Geez, you don't even make sense, now seeing how your brain (doesn't) work, I see why your writing is as lame as your pisspoor attempts to flame...ummm "bitch." Weaksauce.
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You told me. What can I say? Had a heart op, didn't wanna get involved in online wars (Like I used to) & well, he came across as a nice guy.
The facts are however, that as a film buff, it fills me with sadness to see what kind of crap is served up to us & his track record is littered with financially succsful movies, but which always seem to aim for the lowest common denominator. What's wrong with a bit of intelligence & wit? I mean ST, Transfromers etc, looked great! Imagine if they had some depth. Especially Star Trek (which I'm a fan of precisely BECAUSE of its depth & power to make the audience wonder.
Oh & Borci, don't play mind games. To quote The Who "I won't get fooled again." Nice normal guy or not, this bitch has left his gimp box & unzipped his costume:-). -
Steve Fitzgerald. Now, you know my name,too. Remember who owned you on AICN. Burn it in your brain.
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I offer my sincere best wishes for a full recovery on your heart op. Period.
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How about that it's being written by Kurtzman and Orci and will therefore have plot and characterisation that only a retarded garden slug would find interesting?
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Sep 02, 2009 3:08:30 AM CDT
Re:Stalkeye- do you really want to know how we keep getting work
by stalkeye
Yeah, it's called Affirmative Action and this time talentless hack writers are now qualified.Equality for all!God bless America!
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I mean, it didn't, did it? It didn't rock at all. It was about as far from rocking as possible. It was Trek for morons, which explained why it did so well at the American box office.
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"Yeah, it's called Affirmative Action and this time talentless hack writers are now qualified." do you mean that I get work because I am half Cuban and half Mexican?
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Sep 02, 2009 3:12:44 AM CDT
LMMFAO@You're the Nickleback or Creed of screenwriting, successf
by stalkeye
To quote Top Dollar (From The Crow)"Oooh,that's gotta hurt".
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But stop being nice. Or I might have to come over there & write interesting, thought-provoking movies about giant Robots & sci-fi icons who don't say "My bad" or promote people to Starship Captain for being total dicks.
Seriously, no insults or anything, just genuine opinion..I wonder why a writer bothers if it's paint by numbers, join-the-dots kinda stuff? Is it the money?
To compare..I was a journalist for a little while & I hated it, because it's the same kind of shit. Reduced to following house style, dumbing down for the target readership (in your case the audience)..Intro (big hook), Info (name, age, area), fill in a bit more info for drama I guess your stuff would be the big explosion/danger bits), stick in some quotes, wrap it up with a nice resolution or something which will keep the reader eager to know the continuing story. It's boring & bereft of artistry. Fucking soul destroying once you can do it quickly enough.
A writer should wanna write! It's supposed to be about expression & creativity, otherwise it's just a well paid factory job.
Does the milk of the cash cow really taste so sweet?
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Did you pay to see it?
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"Seriously, no insults or anything, just genuine opinion..I wonder why a writer bothers if it's paint by numbers, join-the-dots kinda stuff? Is it the money?" I agree with you that journalism is dead. However, there is no such things as "paint by numbers" or they wouldn't pay us what they pay us. Why would they?:
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Re-read my post in which I refer totalentless hacks(such as yourself) can now catch a break.You're not the real Orci anyway, however i would be tempted a little to make mexican jokes as i would deem it as payback for the racist shit you(I know that you're not the REAL Orci BTW) and Captain Kurtz spewed in TF2.but why stoop to a level as those i feel are..assholes?
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I am always amused by the fact that anyone would think that somebody would come on this site and impersonate a hated screenwriter.
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Because, with the exclusion of the few groundbreaking writers/directors who turn up now & then (usually having to struggle to do so & without help from the big guys), the film industry is just as dead as journalism.
They pay you so much because the men who wanna make the money have no ideas. Nothing. That's why they re-tread old ground (TF & ST being cases in point). Good ideas, redone to cash in.
It may not have been you that I was talking to here before, but I once used the Helicopter scene in TF1 as an example of paint by numbers. That entire scene was a classic case of "Ok, we know that guy's the Captain (or whatever his rank was) & he's in charge, because he was referred to as such. We know the other guy likes his Ma's food & talks in Spanish too much etc etc". Isn't that paint by numbers?
I was watching 7 pounds last night, which isn't hacky at all. Very well written in fact. But the same thing happened. Phone call: "Hi little brother" or some such shit. So we go "Oh, ok, that's his brother." That IS paint by numbers. -
I did. So it doesn't really matter what I thought of it, you still got my cash. I contributed £8 to Star Trek's $126.4m overseas haul.
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Well that clears everything up. thanks.
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"It was Trek for morons, which explained why it did so well at the American box office."BOBORCI: Did you pay to see it? kwisatzhaderach
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I'm still waiting to hear how sweet the cash how is & whether you have it served in a big jug by a toga wearing dwarf, or if you just go straight for the tit?
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I'm painting my self in flames while my dog pisses on me.
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...that Milla Jovovich tber.Yes, there are celebrity impersonators on AICN from Milla,Stallone to DGDB. (well, Danny boy is both famous and infamous on these boards at least.)if you really ARE Orci, shouldn't you be banging out your script for C Vs Aliens or TF3, another abomination in the making?Or getting busy with a few hot Chicas, y'know tasting the Tuna taco?Latina Pussy is among the best and that's no Stereotype as they know how to work it. :P
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I totally agree that i'm a moron for going to see it. I won't be making the same mistake twice.
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C'mon mate. Race etc is a bit too far. Just call him a hack like me. It's fun!
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It really is me. Who in their right mind would pretend to be me?
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"I won't be making the same mistake twice."Yes you will. I know you.
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"When Vasquez heard we were gonna get Aliens, she thought it was illegal Aliens".hey, it's not my joke but still humorous nonetheless.
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Whilst you're here can you defend the bit in your film where young Spock gets mad and jettisons Kirk off the Enterprise to an alien planet in order for Kirk to bump into Leonard Nimoy in a random cave? That was pretty shoddy wasn't it?
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Not just for the hackery but also because people would hear my name & think I'm a killer whale.
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"can you defend the bit in your film where young Spock gets mad and jettisons Kirk off the Enterprise to an alien planet in order for Kirk to bump into Leonard Nimoy in a random cave? That was pretty shoddy wasn't it?"Yes I can. to start, Spock knows that Kirk is a genius rule breaker who follows his beliefs. Therefore, he knows that putting him in the brig will likely lead to Kirk escaping and taking over the ship. So he strands him on the nearest planet near Vulcan (which is where they happen to be as a result of trying to save Vulacan). Kirk meets Spock Prime there because he was stranded there by Nero (because it happens to be the closest place near Vulcan from which Spock Prime can witness the destruction of his planet). Any questions?
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Once again, it's not about race,it's about talent or lack there of.yes, i called him a hack (ergo the AA comment which didn't have anything to do with him being Hispanic.)and yes some of my best lovers were Latinas, however an Italian chick is just as good as I am married to one.
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Try watching Bayformers 2 as in a "number 2".
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just when I was contemplating on renting ST you spoiled it for me. Oh, wellz I guess I can remove that from my Netflix Queue. XD
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Do you mean to say that what you just wrote was somehow misinterpreted?
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Why doesn't Nero go back to Romulus, arm them to the teeth with all kinds of futuristic shit, make them the "badasses" of the universe, take over the Federation etc?
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I know all that. But isn't it a bit crap to have Kirk run into the exact same cave that Spock was in? Could you not have found some other way to have them meet up that wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb?
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"But isn't it a bit crap to have Kirk run into the exact same cave that Spock was in? Could you not have found some other way to have them meet up that wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb?"so you accept the logic of them being on the same planet?
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Ok, why didn't Spock beam Kirk directly to the starbase on the planet or have his ship land closer. Or alert the starbase of Kirk's arrival? Plus, one scan of the planets would've shown hostile life forms in the area. Why didn't old Spock go to the Starbase to alert Starfleet or to get an evacuation message to Vulcan instead of staying in a cave?
Further, how come sometimes the red matter produces planet and ship devouring black holes and other times it created a time tunnel?
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If a snake gives me a shock & I run up a tree I'm not likely to meet you. It's a pretty big fucking planet!
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Yes I know that Spock was stranded there too. It's bad enough that they are both stranded on the same planet but it's just too much of a coincidence that Kirk runs into the exact same cave that Spock was in! It's ok, you can blame it on JJ if you want.
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Apparently the Klingons or someone captured Nero and his crew and then they all escape. But the sequence was deemed to detract from the narrative flow of the movie and was taken out. Read: EXCLUSIVE SCENE ONLY ON DVD!!!
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Exactly.
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Sep 02, 2009 3:59:05 AM CDT
And how about Sam dying and gong to Transformer heaven??
by zombieheathledger
And the Matrix of Leadership is not a thing but it's in your heart. Yeah, and you always had the power to go home, just click your ruby slippers three times and say, "There's no place like home." Teh Suk!
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Wow. I didn't have the courage to see Transformers 2. Should I download it for a giggle?
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"Ok, why didn't Spock beam Kirk directly to the starbase on the planet or have his ship land closer." He landed him pretty close. It was walking distance, for Christ;s sake! Which, by the way, explains why Spock Prime (Nimoy) was close to the Starbase, too -- he was on his way to the Starbase to do exactly what you suggest.. "Further still, why did Nero and his crew wait decades at the mouth of the timehole instead of leaving a smaller ship (either from their ship or one acquired after decades waiting) to get Spock. They waited there for decades doing nothing? Really?" Why did they wait? Because they wanted to get Spock and the device that creates black holes. If you really cared about that, would you leave it to robot? In your mind, did Nero have something better to do than acquiring the greatest weapon of all time and punishing the man he thought was responsible for destroying his planet?
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Even that rationale blows. Nero's ship from the future can take out the entire starfleet but get's captured by Klingons? If the Klingons are that powerful then they should've annihilated Starfleet by now. And if they came back to the hole how would they know whether or not Spock has already come out already and they missed it?
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I wasn't trying to defend it, of course it blows.
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"Further, how come sometimes the red matter produces planet and ship devouring black holes and other times it created a time tunnel? "According to the most recent thinking on the matter, by learned folks such as Kip Thorne and Archibald Wheeler, a black hole can be thought of as both a destructive entity AND a tunnel through space time.
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"Nero's ship from the future can take out the entire starfleet but get's captured by Klingons?" There are no Klingons in our movie.
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& he can pop wheelies like a pro.
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"And the Matrix of Leadership is not a thing but it's in your heart." Just like in the original cartoon.
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but instead wastes a pod to land him "pretty close" in a frigid arctic wasteland (see Hoth) where there are apparently multitudes of extremely hostile life forms waiting to devour him? Really? Instead of just simply beaming him to the starbase and alerting them ahead of time to put him in the brig? And why didn't they alert the starbase at all to Kirk's arrival? So we are to assume that Nero had JUST put old Spock on the planet around the exact same time as young Spock put Kirk on the planet? AND Nero decides to put old Spock near a starbase where he could've warned Vulcan? Face it, Orci, it doesn't work. You just wanted the hero moment of Old Spock saving young Kirk. And the whole "I didn't tell Kirk anything because you (young Spock) and Kirk need to have your male bonding adventures together" speech at the end by Old Spock to Young Spock was total getthefuckouttahere.
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Who was it that captured Nero in the deleted scenes?
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& in the comic books. It's a literal, physical object. I know that, 'cause I'm class.
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"So we are to assume that Nero had JUST put old Spock on the planet around the exact same time as young Spock put Kirk on the planet?" Yeah, because Nero wanted Spock Prime to witness the destruction of Vuclan, which is what our young Kirk and Spock were there to prevent. It's no coinincidence... everyone is there for the same reason. Did you actually SEE the movie?
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which has only ONE cave? I mean, what if Kirk ran left a bit & found another cave? Nero destroys the Federation? It's dumb.
Here's an easier way..Kirk gets chased by the needless action sequence monsters, just makes it to the base, meets Scottie, who introduces him to another new arrival. Job done. -
The red matter either destroys or creates a time tunnel because one of the parties that you mention believe that you can enter a black hole without getting pulverized down to the molecular level. It may be possible using special technology but no one in the Trek Universe has seen this anomally before and would therefore have the tech to utilize it as such without said pulverization.
Wrong. In the cartoon movie, the Matrix was an actual object that they put INTO their heart. Not something metaphorical, and actual item.
As for the Klingons I was referring to Kwis's explanation.
And Nero's ship would've already been the most powerful weapon in the universe when he went into the past. It's like if a modern day aircraft carrier loaded with F-22 raptors went back to WWII. They would win the war in weeks just like Nero and his ship could've taken over Starfleet in as quick a time. And with warp drive and the fact that no one else knows about Spock, they could've left a small armada of ships more than capable of capturing Spock's tiny ship, instead of the whole crew waiting there doing nothing for what was it? 25 years? When they have the power in their ship to take over all of Starfleet and conquer all it's planets already? C'mon... -
No, it's not the only planet in the universe, but it is the closest one to Vulcan, which explains why Spock Prime is there (Nimoy) and why Kirk gets stranded there.
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I mean, the point of the monster things was a bit of extra drama/stroke action right? For me, you could have that far more sensibly & just as effectively if he has to run to the base..(the old "will they get the door open in time before the monster gets him?" trick). Instead he runs into a cave which just happens to have denture boy hanging around whistin' a happy tune.
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I hope so, 'cause if you write like that normally your spellchecker must be burning hot! I know & understand why Spock was there. What I asked was, are we expected to believe that Kirk would just run into Spock IN THAT PARTICULAR CAVE? It doesn't make sense at all to me.
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I accidentally drunked some red matters.
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I live in France so here it's already 11:30 a.m. I agree with what somebody else said, if I had your money the last thing I'd be doing is posting on AICN in the middle of the night. WTF?
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His writing got pregressively worse. We've all done the late night drinking & typing stuff. I wish he wouldn't have dodged so many questions though. Lots of answers, but like a politician, skirting around the issues & giving vague answers.
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"Apparently there was a scene deleted that clarifies this. After the Kelvin rammed the Narada, a Klingon fleet descended upon it and captured Nero and his crew, and impounded the Narada. The Romulans spent the next twenty-five years imprisoned on the prison world of Rurapen'the, escaping just in time to capture Future Spock. That's why there was that transmission from the Klingons in the film."
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We've all seen the photos of the deleted scenes on this very website. Like I said, he skirted around it.."There were no Klingons in our movie"....
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Cheers. Yeah, another convenient coincidence in a movie chock full of them.
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his defence of the reason he was there falls to pieces. So he just said there were "none in the movie". He must be related to Tony Blair.
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Sep 02, 2009 6:49:07 AM CDT
Boborci, PEOPLE KNOW THE NAME EDWARD D. WOOD JR. TOO.....
by carlthormark1978
But then even Wood was know for being the best at something, even if that something was being the Worst Filmmaker of All Time™, while you can’t even manage to write anything that would qualify as so-bad-its-good. You and Kurtzman write together and, yet, even with two minds you never rise above mediocrity. Doesn’t it bother you, at all, that you’re name will never be associated with anything but shitty movies? Why do I even ask? You don’t really care, just so long as that $1000 a week keeps coming in and that people know you’re name, if only for the moment, because nothing you have put your name to will stand the test of time. Your name might get you in the door but know that the executives only see you, and your fluffer, as script monkey’s that won’t bother them with such esoteric things such as “characterization” and “logical plot structure”, they just throw you some pop culture relic at you and give you you’re marching orders to which you click your heels and respond “Yes master”. It wouldn’t surprise me, not one bit, if you were already on your 11th draft of Slinky The Motion Picture. To help you along, here’s a hint, it’s not the game with the Hippos. I’m sure that writing successful trash, like Transformers and Star Trek (which makes Blood Feast and Corpse Grinders look like Citizen Kane and The Seventh Seal), has its advantages (money, coke, whores!!!) but the truth is that they only appeal to braindead morons who don’t care about subtext and thematic content, just so long as there is enough action and toilet humor, along with racism and military propaganda if it’s a Michael Bay film. But you’ll never write anything that gets the audience that went to see The Dark Knight, a movie that drew people in, not only because it was highly entertaining, but also because it was intelligent and thought provoking, two qualities that your work has never been accused of being. I’d like to think that, in your quiet moments, when you’re home alone, you lament that you have gained the world at the cost of your soul, but then I realize that you never had a soul to lose in the first place as you seem more then comfortable with your position in life just so long as people know your name, even if it’s associated with shit.
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Do your lawyers know you're on here smart-mouthing people. Careful with your snappy comebacks folks, he's probably ran out of material/ideas.Oh and please don't confuse box-office success with talent. You write from the bottom of the barrel with no artistic purpose. You are one of the people responsible for the current 'idiot' state of Hollywood. Well done, give yourself a pat on the back.
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Sep 02, 2009 6:55:50 AM CDT
BOB COULD YOU WORK IN COREY FELDMAN IN THE NEXT TREK
by bringingsexyback
I would consider it a personal favor to me.
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The Island
The Legend of Zorro
Mission: Impossible III
Transformers
Watchmen (uncredited script polish! I knew there was a reason why the Watchmen script was so bland and boring!!)
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Bob The Orci and The Klutzman to the rescue, fucking up and shitting on somebody else's work.
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A true show of horrors, isn't it?
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Sep 02, 2009 7:48:02 AM CDT
IF ABRAMS HAD A GOOD SCRIPT, STAR TREK COULD HAVE BEEN A CLASSIC
by carlthormark1978
With Star Trek, I think that Abrams has made a quantum leap as a Director but the only problem is that Orci and Kurtzman are dead weight wrapped around his neck. I really didn’t think much of Mission : Impossible 3, as it couldn’t help but fail in comparison to Brian DePalma’s fucking classic original, but I would say that it was slightly better then John Woo’s fucking appalling M:I-2. However, M:I-3 and Star Trek both have the same problem, shitty writing. With Star Trek, Abrams has proven that he knows what he’s doing and has dramatically improved as a Director. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for his two script monkey’s who continue to scribble convoluted, nonsensical garbage with plotholes galore. What saved Star Trek was not only Abrams Direction but the fucking fantastic cast that he assembled for his movie. I was honestly expecting the worst but every single one of the actors clicked perfectly. I was so impressed with their rapport that I would gladly watch any type of Star Trek movie, with these actors, even if it was just the characters fucking about the ship, doing their jobs and interacting with each other. I’ve said this before but rather then see another PISSED OFF BAD GUY WITH A DOOMSDAY WEAPON™, I would fucking kill to see a Robert Altmanesque style comedy or even a movie split into seven short films, each of which deals with the point of view of one of the main characters and details their experiences before, during and after a crisis along with hilarious personal logs where everyone is talking shit about each other but they hide their true feelings at work. You know, just do something different for fuck sakes. But, of course, that wont happen as Orci and Kurtzman are incapable of doing anything creative beyond the simplistic shit that they have made a career out of peddling. So the next Star Trek will probably feature more time travel and yet another bad guy out for revenge….fucking yawn! But what I wouldn’t give to see Abrams kick those two fucking hacks to the curb and hire a few inspired writers who actually put some thought into their work. The only thing that kept the new Star Trek from being a modern classic was it’s shitty script and it’s a shame that, despite it’s box office success, in a few years time it will be forgotten just as easily as any of the other shit Orci and Kurtzman have put their names to and that’s because their scripts are never about anything apart from a bunch of stuff that happens with absolutely no meaning.
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is a tv director who got lucky. He's as much to blame for Star Trek's crapness as Kurtzaman and Orci. Shaking a camera about and hoping your editor can fix it, isn't a sign of good film-maker. A chimp could have shot that film and it'd have looked much the same.
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Why does StarFleet ignore the Romulan ship for 18-20 years despite the fact that it destroyed most of the fleet. It's just sitting there, waiting.Why was Kirk written as a fratboy and Uhura as a space slapper?Why did you insist of showing the Kobyashi maru test. It was as teeth-rattling awful as Lucas explaining the 'force'.What the fuck was Scotty's comedy sidekick all about.What the fuck was that water tubes gag all about, and, how come when Kirk opens the tube, Scotty is only accompanied by a bucketful of water. Surely most of the tube would empty out before they closed it...(Ok, yes, I was bored at this point and my only entertainment was picking it apart)
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...and probably with pissed off madmen as villain.... why can't they at least throw a curve ball? It'd blow my mind to have a villain completely out of left field for the sequel, someone you'd never expect in a million years. For instance, what if the new timeline isn't an alternate timeline (hell, Trek has never had alternate timelines before) what if the Trek timeline is now changed. What if someone from the future somehow know the timeline has changed (it'd be relatively east to come up with a reason... Q anyone?). What if he knows the life he knew is now gone, and the result for him is not good (maybe all the people he knew and loved are now nonexistent). What if this formerly sane and reserved person snapped. What if he had access to the ability to travel back and try to set things right. I proudly pesent the villain for Star Trek 2: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, now an obsessed, unhinged madman willing to do anything to get his world back! A crazed Patrick Stewart would even give Montalban's brilliant Khan a run for his money.
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I love 3-D! Its like the 50's all over again!
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...How come Nero and company didn't age a single day during those 25 long years they were waiting around for Old Spock to arrive? (I won't even ask about food, water, medicine, supplies since I assume they had one of those magical molecular assembler thingies on board.)
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Sep 02, 2009 8:55:43 AM CDT
Fortunesfool, I DISAGREE, SURE, IT'S ABRAMS FAULT FOR HIRING....
by carlthormark1978
Orci and Kurtzman but I thought that there was much quality in his Direction and the staging/blocking of the scenes although I could have done without all the lens flare. If he worked with better writers and pursued better material, there is no reason why Abrams couldn't do very well. I would very much like to see Abrams do another Orci/Kurtzman free Star Trek but I think that he really needs to do something small scale to prove his chops as he seems to be only interested in big budget franchise pictures. There’s nothing wrong with that but I’d like to see him use his clout to get something unique and interesting made. Adapt a book or something?
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Sep 02, 2009 8:56:40 AM CDT
GIJOE HAD A MUCH TIGHTER SCRIPT AND TONS MORE ACTION
by bringingsexyback
Brunettified Sienna Miller in leather didn't hurt none neither.
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Their tight embrace whilst falling to certain doom was just foreplay.
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Federation and Klingons Vs. Romulan Empire. TONS of Pew! Pew! action. Add a dose of Kirk/Sulu romance. Stir vigorously and serve hot.
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Sep 02, 2009 9:28:35 AM CDT
ORCI, HOW DO SPOCK AND UHURA FUCK? DOES HE SMASH HER ASS....
by carlthormark1978
Like a lemur opening a coconut or just choke the bitch until he cums? Do they have toilet paper in that era or do they have bowl mounted phasers that just blast the Klingon’s to Hell? Do they have futuristic contraceptives to prevent pregnancy or do they still practice the old fashion Mexican method of kicking a woman in the stomach until she aborts? By Kirk’s era, how many flavors of Coke have came out? On the Enterprise, do they have a discotec where Spock busts a move in honor of his favorite movie, Saturday Night Fever?
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Sep 02, 2009 9:32:03 AM CDT
SHOW SULU WANKING IN THE SHITTER TO A PICTURE OF KIRK!!!
by carlthormark1978
While screaming "THRUSTERS ON FULL, EJECT YOUR WARPCORE INTO MY BLACKHOLE AND THE FORCE OF THE EXPLOSION WILL PUSH YOU OUT!!!"
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Sep 02, 2009 9:36:58 AM CDT
DOES SCOTTY FRY MARS BARS IN THE WARPCORE? DOES HE...
by carlthormark1978
Get fucking plastered before being regularly found lying in the hallways having pissed and shit himself while drooling?
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Just how many aliens-versus-plucky-overmatched-humans movies can you make? Will the aliens die of European diseases brought to the new world by Spanish conquistadors? Will there be liberal use of dynamite lit from cigars? Will there be a whole heap of horseshit on the screen?
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Thems are capital ideas!!!!!!!!
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You can tell, because he was unfunny, vain, precious, condescending, glib and clearly drunk. He was also probably masturbating to all the attention he was getting.
You know, like the Star Wars prequels I've become numb to these new crap Treks. Keep knocking them out. Do whatever the fuck you want with them. Get Antonio Banderas in as Khan, send them back in time to LA in 2010 to save us from climate change, where they become inadvertent fish-out-of-water celebrities, peppered with cheap Lohen/Hilton/Osbourne/Al Gore cameos. Get the Jonas Brothers in as Klingons. I'll still watch them. Maybe. Sylar Spock was okay. McCoy was cool. But don't ever pretend those films are masterpieces. They're fluff.
Oh, and to the guy that said Trek has never had alternate time lines, of course they have. That one with Spock sporting a beard. Better than anything Borci could conceive (although expect that one to be homaged/lampooned in the next one). -
Since this talk back became beat down on Orci for Trek part 20 I figure I would put my two cents in.
Trek 2009 to me was one of those movies that sits in the Uncanny Valley of great movies - as it approaches greatness the flaws in it rise up until it becomes too noticeable to ignore and the film becomes a disappointment. Everything was moving along fine in Trek, all cylinders firing, until exposition planet comes up. The film does recover towards the end, but the damage is done.
I guess my whole problem with old Spock on the planet is that after reading the comic prequel and seeing Nero's obsession with getting revenge on Spock is that he would have never put Spock on a planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed. He would have wanted to see Spock suffer as he watched his home planet being destroyed. Instead of the flash back exposition of old Spock watching vulcan being destroyed a scene between Nero and an imprisoned Spock being forced to watch as Nero gloated would have been far more effective.
Anyway my two cents, Bob. Have fun writing Trek 2. Star Trek which even out guns the Simpsons for having beat the dead horse for ideas. Good luck find anything original to do with it.
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... the one were Spock had a goatee... that was a parallel universe. Big difference.
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I'd rather see you writing the next movie too. Certainly a new Trek show. Your ideas were great.
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What Jar Jar Abrams did in his Shit Trek movie canot be considered good directing. Not in cinematic terms, it can't. It's as others have said, at the very best, Jar Jar Abrams is a averagely talented TV director that lucked out to make movies, not because he's talented enough ti make the jump, like Steven Spielberg and Martin Campbell did, but because he's a studio executive first and foremost and made power plays and enough politic intrigue to gain a job at directing theatrical release movies. He lucked out and cooned his way to go for the big bucks job, without ever displaying enough talent to merit a jump to the big league.And like most modern hacks, starting with Michael Bay, he gets his ineptitude saved with very hugh big budgets, where an army of pther people saves his ass and makes him look good and compensate for his crass basic mistakes. and yet, evne with the help of an army of payed slaves, his stupidity, incompetent and uselessness still passes through.The only reason Jar Jar Abrams gets accepted as a director is because the studios don't give a shit about real talent, as long the hacks do their biding, and because there is too much permissiveness among the geeks and audiences alike for filmmakers with barely any talent, as long there is a lot of CGI, over-stretched big action scenes, pretty looking actors and the explosions sound very loud.Jar Jar Abrams heralds a new type of hack: when the studio executive/accountant becames a director.
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Sep 02, 2009 10:15:15 AM CDT
Jar Jar Abrams thinks he's so clever with his shaky-cam shit
by asimovlives
and the fucking lens flares. He must think he's clever like Paul greengrass with his constant use of shaky-cam. Thing is, Paul greengrass is very meticulous and detailed when he uses his camera. Never once in his movies you do not know where the action is happening, to whom, and the geography of the scene. While his camera shakes, the framming is always presice to what is important to the scene and the action.Jar Jar Abrams, like all the fucking hacks who copy but do not understand, he just shakes the camera because that's the new trendy thing to do, the new modern. No, it is not the new modern, it's the new dumb, it's the same shit hacks used to do with slow motion, when what was once a revolutionary way to show filmed drama became, in the hands of the hacks, an irritating over-abused trick to disguise incompetence and lack of imagination. This is Jar Jar Abrams.
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Sep 02, 2009 10:19:22 AM CDT
"As it approaches greatness the flaws in it rise up"?
by the_goddamn_batman
Fuck off. The whole film was vague, cliched shit. Where was all the awesome Star Fleet Academy stuff we could have got? The camaraderie and rivalries and real character work? And don't say they couldn't have fitted it in. Starship Troopers did, and that's a better Star Trek film than "Star Trek" could ever hope to be.
Is there really a big difference between a parallel universe and an alternate timeline? Don't they all start from one point and start branching out? Actually, I don't really care.
Pessimus, you're right, in Trek, when something changes, it obliterates the previous timeline. There you go fuckers, Orci's wiped out your old Trek DVDs and don't believe for a minute that he hasn't. All that's left is Nimoy with ill-fitting dentures. -
I'm totally positive that anybody in here, and i mean anybody, and that includes the people who mistake the shit that Bob The Orci and The Klutzman shat out of their asses and called it writing, they cna all write a much better Star Trek story, and far more faithful to the franchise. Even the people who would write a mocking parody of Star Trek would still make a more honest and respectful story then the shit that Bob The Orci and The Klutzman clusterfuck for the Jar Jar Abrams' movie.
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Ya know what happens when you say his name thrice....that is right, he ends up writing a script for something YOU hold dear...so be careful people.Bob...Bob....Bob; sigh, As I'v said many times, you are probably a good guy...I have no doubt you'd pick up the tab at Spearmint Rhino, and buy lap dances for everyone....but my god man, you just do not have an OUNCE of creativity in your bones. It is a good thing you and Kurtzman have friends in high places, work cheaper than other more thoughtful writers, and seem to have your finger on the pulse of 12yr old boys, and sexually frustrated 40yr old virgins the world over or I seriously doubt you'd get work. Again, as I've said, I really don't think you guys could script a porn film.Still, this is an obscure property to the general public...so no matter how poorly it is written, or how badly you fuck the story, most people won't know or care...just put in some of that riotous Patented Orci/Kurtzman "Humor", make it loud, make the 'splosions big and the cowboys hickish, and don't forget to have a horse hump something...and I'm sure you'll bank yet another payday as the tards line up to make your house payment.Your friend, Conspiracy.
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Ok ok, I'll retract my statement slightly - As it approaches a great Star Trek Film the flaws in it rise up. I'm mean it star trek, its never going to Oscar worth stuff. Seriously anyone actually watch most trek movies? They are all vague and cliched with exception of the 1, 2 and 4th movies.
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It's clear to anyone with half a brain cell that Abrams is not a film director. If you examine his staging it's TV through and through. MI3 and Star Trekwars have not one memorable cinemascope composition in them. It's the height of hackery.
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Actually, you're right. I've only watched the Trek movies up to 6. And I only really think of 2 and 4 (and definitely the scope of 1).
When I think of what they could have done with the movie though, I think of the original series. Imagine if this one had been about the Academy. Really about their training. All the amazing stuff they have to go through, followed by a training mission that turns into an epic battle. And it finishes with Kirk handing back his temporary command of the Enterprise, having proved that when the time comes he'll be ready to take the chair.
The folow up could be three years later and Kirk (now a captain) and Spock's first voyages into the unknown.
But no, everything had to be monkey-spunked into the first movie. Scotty gets to take over the engine room because... because what? Where's everyone gone? The whole film is just: "And then this happens, and then this, and then this." It was written by a fucking five year old. -
Bob The Orci might had been a good guy 20-25 years ago, when he was still a teenager and dreamed of working in Hollywood and writing movies. Today, Bob The Orci is a cynical little evil shit who sold his soul and intergrity for a career writing dumbed down simplistic stupid bad movies for the sake of a easy fat paycheck, at the expense of the gullibility and good will of the geeks and audiences alike. The guy is a lame ass version of Charles Foster Kane, from idealism to pure cynical exploitation for the servie of inflatting an over-sized ego, an ego build not on the true merits of talent, but on the notion that he helped make a lot of money by delivering bad products through deceit and conning. It depresses me that movies are being writen by such a man. This guy is helping Ass: The Movie became not a comedy joke but an immediate reality.
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You know what, every time these arguments start on AICN, some celebrity cock-blower always appears and says "if you think their script is no good, write one your-fucking-self." And you know what, they're right.
If Orci can get paid for that kind of shit, I reckon I can too. I'm serious.
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One thing that makes me laught like hell about the Shit Trek moie is that Kirk, who according to the moie is one of the junior cadetes, one of those with the least time, is the one who gets to be made captain, passing over much older cadetes and experienced ensigns.When i saw Kirk being made captain of the Enterprise by thr end of that fucking movie, i though "what about Buttcake?" Because it better that Buttcake is not part of the crew under Kirk, because Kirk would never, ever be able to command respect and impose his command on that guy and the rest of the red shirts under him. Those are the guys who made Kirk their bitch in the bar fight, and who showed contempt and disrespect to him when he was later arrested when he returned with Scotty.And evne in the military it's expected that a captain can impose discipline and his command on his own without the need to thrown the book at his crew. Whenever Buttcake would tell Kirk to go fuck himself and disrespect his orders, in the end it would look poorly on Kirk more then on Buttcake.Of course, that would be if the Shit Trek saga under Bob The Orci, The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams resembled in any way the military, instead of it being high school in space as it is in the fucking movie. This hacks know as much about the military as they know about making movies, absolutly nothing.
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Listen, it's not the ability to write good or bad work that made Bob The Orci, The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams in the places they are today. It's because this fucks are conning politicians. their sucess and advancement in the industry is due to they being political animals, who maneuver the backstage politics and kiss the right asses. About this guys it's nothing about talent, but about politics. They are cancers, and it's because Hollywood is filled to the grills with shits like this, instead of really talented people allowed to do their work, that there's so much shit being made today.
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As much as I will argue with anyone claiming that trek 09 was the best trek film ever, I guess I can understand why people think so. You have to jump all the way back to 1998 for First Contact to get anything approaching good. Insurrection and Nemesis were just laughingly bad. Voyager and Enterprise just drove trek into the backwaters of meritocracy. When Abrams trek came it was bright and shinny and everybody wanted to jump on board.
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... i shit on that argument any day of the week. i don't need to know how to build a car or a house to onow then it was made a shit job on them. I don't need to be a car engineer to know that the Fird Pinto was a shit. I don't need to be a car engineer to get into a car and know it's badly made and badly designed and that it doesn't work properly to what it should do.So, all those who came up with the "don't criticise a scriptwriter/director" argument, they can get that shit and shove it up their asses. This fucking losers must think everybody are as stupid as they.
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The thing is, bad as Insurrection and Nemesis are (and i don't dispute that), those movies were still made with respect for the franchise. They fail in execution, not intent. They fail because they are the result of being over-zealous and precious to the universe. But never once they showed disrespect. It's geekdom taken to extreme and left to hang.Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek has no respect whatsoever about Star Trek. Jar Jar Abrams' himself admited that he's a Star Wars fan, not Star Wars. The idiot must had though that he was going to pull a Christopher Nolan and make a Star Trek movie from the outside in. Thing is, nolan said he always loved Batman, he was just not very wekk knowledgwable about the minutiae and history of the character through it's 70s years of existence. That is why he hired David Goyer as his co-writer.Jar Jar Abrams and his two ass-monkey "writers", their approach to Star Trek was that of drunk fratboys who decided to trash everything in their sight because that's their idea of changing the place to their satisfaction, to make their mark. Bob The Orci can kiss my ass if he can convince me that he used to be a_Star Trek fan when he was a kind. Go fucking tell that lie to the idiots who believe every bullshit that comes out of your mouth! You can fool some people all the time, but you can't fool everybody all the time.
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Sep 02, 2009 11:09:47 AM CDT
AsimovLives, BUT SPIELBERG/CAMPBELL ALSO NEEDED A GOOD SCRIPT...
by carlthormark1978
Look, I understand how you feel about Abrams and I felt the very same way, that is, until I saw Star Trek. As I said, the flaws in his first two features were the scripts from those two hacks, while I also said that I never thought much of his Direction in M:I-3. But Trek was a definite step up and actually felt like a FEATURE MOVIE to me. I’ll also concede that Abrams is an ass kisser who wrote a bunch of shitty scripts in the 90’s and made a pile of overhyped shows such as Felicity, Alias and Lost, while I also LOATHE his obsession with characters that are 20-something douchebags. I would also prefer that the opportunities afforded to this cocknosed asswipe were given to someone who had some genuine talent and might have delivered a great Star Trek movie. But despite all of this you will not convince me that his Direction of Star Trek was anything but sharp and focused. You mention Steven Spielberg and Martin Campbell but, early in their careers, they were hardly Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola before they got their big break. Steven Spielberg’s TV work didn’t exactly set the world on fire and Duel (which was actually made-for-TV) only succeeded because he had such a strong script from Richard Matheson while his best movies have always has quality screenplays. It’s not like Spielberg ever took a shitty script, sat down, re-wrote it and made it better. Also, Campbell’s career was indistinctive until he made Cast a Deadly Spell for Producer Gail Ann Hurd which led to No Escape (also Produced by Hurd) which, somehow, led him to Goldeneye which was a great movie and that was because of the script by Michael France, Jeffrey Caine and Bruce Feirstein. The same can be said for Casino Royale which was based on a good book and a strong script. Then let’s consider his two Zorrow films. The Mask of Zorror was a really good movie and was written by Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio, both of whom wrote the Pirates of the Caribbean films of which the first one was very well written and highly entertaining having been Directed by Gore Verbinski who also needed that right script. The last two were crap though. But The Legend of Zorrow, was written by those two hacks Orci and Kurtzman and, surprise surprise, it was a piece of fucking shit. The point is that some Director’s are only as good as their material but, in the case of Star Trek, I think Abrams did an amazing job considering the absolutely fucking retarded screenplay he was handed by those two fucking retards. Look, AsimovLives, my friend, I don’t expect to change your mind on Abrams and I still think he’s weasel but if he were to get his hands on a quality screenplay then there is no reason why he couldn’t be as good as Martin Campbell, at the very least, although becoming the next Spielberg would be quite a stretch. I also have to admit that I can’t hate on Abrams because he DID hire Lamont Johnson, one of the best Directors on the ORIGINAL Twilight Zone, to direct and episode of Felicity called “Love for the Lovelorn” although it was a bit crap and ripped off numerous TZ episodes particularly the all time classic “Five Characters in Search of an Exit”.
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I'm seriously considering taking a sick day to see it again.
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get on the Ain't It Cool message boards to call people "bitches" at four in the morning? Is he Dreamworks' Interactive Marketing division?
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Got to disagree with you on Insurrection and Nemesis...they both were complete slaps in the face for fans. Insurrection was nearly incoherent with its story and Nemesis was just rip off of every other trek movie made. Want to bitch about Orci & Kurtzman, fine...but don't act like Berman and Piller were not pulling stuff out of their ass for the last couple trek movies either.
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No, he's just an egotistical retard.
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IMDB tells me First Contact came out in 1996. Fuck I'm getting old...
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As i said before, the problem with Insurrection and Nemesis is EXECUTION. It is very poor execution those movies suffer from. But the ideas behind the scripts and the movies are solid. And it is faithful to the Star Trek. Sadly, they suffer from the problem that the Star Trek under the Braga and Berman manegement, in that they just geeked out uncontrollably and alowed the details to tell the plot, instead of the ideas. The univese became so dense and detailed and with so much minutiae that you would need to go to college to understand how a toiled flushed in Star Trek. they over-stuffed the franchise to the point that somebody from outside would just got totally lost. That is what happened to me with those two movies, and with Voyager, to the point i gave up on Voyager after the pilot. and i never saw Enteprise, nor i think i would like it much if i did.Howeve,r the faults of those two aforementioned movies do not make me blind to the fact that, despite all their fault,s they stillr espect the franchise and the universe,a nd the ideal behind Star Trek. The Jar Jar Abram's movie shits on EVERYTHING that is Star Trek.But worst, Jar Jar Abram's Shit Trek does soemthing even worst, it shits on cinema. You say that you saw an improvement on Jar Jar Abram's skills as a director. You are mistaken, my friend, he didn0't got better, he just got a better crew, better and more technicians to disguise and cover up his fuck ups and his mistakes. his extrme imcompetent is beyond obvious. In fact, he's getting worst. With MI3 i saw a modestly competent, if unimaginative and derivative hack at work. with Shit Trek i saw one of the worst director i ever seen in him whole life fucking up the most basic cinematic things. To call him incompetent is an insult to incompetent filmmakers. He's far beyond that. With his Shit Trek movie, he is now an equal to Michael Bay. And you can't get worst then that.
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why attack orci the way you do? okay, we get it. you dont like his scripts. leave it at that.
but no. you cant. you have to say he has no soul. throw racist remarks his way. insult his family. how does that make you any better?
im not defending orci. i think transformers 2 may be the worst movie that i have ever seen in my life. but im not going to spend HOURS of my day insulting the guy who co-wrote it.
you are the most intolerant of folks. like racists. like homophobes. its not okay for people to disagree with you. its not okay for varying sets of opinions. people like carlthorwhateverthefuck, the dark shit, and asimovlives insult people for not agreeing with them. calls them stupid. unintelligent, and "celebrity cocksuckers" for liking some of these movies.
i speak 6 languages. ive been published in major journals in 4 of those. im at the top of my field, and am a college educator with a shelf-full of STUDENT judged awards.
and i loved star trek. just loved it. it doesnt make me stupid, becuase i disagree with you. it makes YOU intolerant of differing opinions. much like the extreme right wing, who thinks everybody that disagrees with them is going to hell.
write a better script carlthor, darkshit, asimovlives. do it. stop talking about it and do it.
create something out of nothing, bro. until then, all you are doing is destroying - and destruction takes no intelligence.
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that's nothing, man. I saw Robocop in the theater back in the day. Hell, i saw ET in the theater back in the day. Think about that.
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When they went to all the talkbackers on the fake poopshoot.com site and beat the crap out of them.
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youve been at it for 4 hours now...
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No, we shouldn't leave that at that. This shit hacks have to know that they are not appreciated. They might please the studio executives with their ass kissing, but that's the limits of their popularity. among us, they are know for what they are, and for what they should be know for: their complete incompetence at makign movies. This is their wake up call. they migth get rich delievering shit scripts, they migth get lots of work by writing shit script,s they will not get respect and acknowledge. In history, they will be known as hated hacks. This is their wake up call. This is them realising that if they play the hack game, then they better not expect being carried on the shoulders of satisfied fans. there is a price to their choices, and this is the price the hack checks in for their work in mediocrity: hate and scorn. Serves them right. And if you think that this doesn't affect the hacks, that they don't dream of dreams of glory and recognition of some thing other then paychecks, you know nothing about human nature. This fucking hacks like Bob The Orci dream of recognition, and that's the very thing they will not get. Fuck 'em! Their choice, their cross to carry.
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BTW: Star Trek did rock, it had its flaws, but overall was really well done. It really got back to the spirit of the original TV show, more so than any of the other ten Trek movies did.
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but who are you to say they are not appreciated? who are you to speak for me or anyone esle? you dont have that kind of insight on the condition of the world.
what do you know about their dreams? who are you to deliver this "wake up call"? would seem to me that, if anything, its anything but a "wake up call" as they are still regularly receiving work. im not saying that justifies their merit, just sayuing that theres no "wake up cll" here. you act as though you speak for soem great majority when you dont. its you. and its your beautiful, important, personal opinion. its not mine. and im not stupid becuase i like star trek, bro. its really that easy. -
Why don't you just stick, and only stick to your TV show Fringe and fuck off of movies and any other Tv show for the rest of your lives? It would be greatly appreciated, and you would be doing a great for TV and cinema, leaving it alone from your influence and scripts. I hope you take this litle free advice into consideration.Thank you for your attentionYours truly,AsimovLives.P.S.: all your movies and TV shows fucking sucks goats' ass, including Fringe.
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Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek has some flaws, namely, THE WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE.
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Then there'll be a wrasslin' match.
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I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't see the execution of Insurrection or Nemesis as the problem, instead I see very weak scripts and actors who completely phoned it in and being told that its done in the spirit of trek. Did Abrams do some stuff wrong in Trek 09? Sure he did, but he also tried to do something new and recapture the feeling of "Old Trek". It was a misfire, but not one done out of malice.
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I can't speak for some here that take it a little too far with the insults. But mostly I enjoy watching Orci getting grilled. If it really is him (unlikely, but maybe) the man is either an ego maniac or a glutton for punishment for coming back to the talk backs all the time. -
They are appreciated by the studio executives tho have their asses cleaned by the ass kissing the Bob The Oric and The Klutzman do. That's appreciation? Fucking shit it is.And i pity the fools who mistake the shit they wriote for movies, namely Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek, as works of merit and quality. Those are not movie geeks, those are slaves to crassness diguised as entertaiment designed to rob them of their bucks through conning. If i'm going to get conned, at least i rather know i'm being had, instead of remaining in fucking stupid ignorant bliss for the sake of getting a piece of the basest lowest form of entertaiment. Fuck that shit.
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and again, you throw out personal attacks behind the anonimity of the internet. what do you know about me? about my understanding of human nature? do you see how your opinion although priceless and unrelenting is completely unimportant because it is based on a total lack of experiential information - what you know of me, or of orci's dreams, or of the majority of movie viewers. you think that because YOU think a certain way, everybody should. thats intolerance.
[p]and history wont remember them as hated hacks. history may not remember them at all. what will history remember about you? what have YOU created that will linger on hundreds of years after you pass? im not insulting you, im not being snide or sarcastic... im really curious. how will you be remembered? any better or worse than orci?[/p] -
...I do come for AsimovLives to. The mans single minded quest to crush Abrams and company is both funny and sad at the same time.
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I saw Star Wars in 1976 AND 1977. Anyway, you do not like the movies that Orci wrote, fine. You do not understand how he gets work, fine. But why is it so important that he pleases the geeky fanbase? Hell, if I was a successful screenwriter, I could care less what people wrote about me, just as long as I get paid and keep gettig work.
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Of doing blow off of some sluts teet, because at the end of the night he can go to sleep in his bed made of money. Also he gets to wake up the next day, figure out anything geeks are into and decide if he wants to run that into the ground or not.
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Yeah, he "tried" and he failed miserably on all accounts. and what did he tried? He tried to transform Star Trek into a parody of Star Wars. and to fuck up the whole Star Trek franchise to fit in with his own ego and his misguided notions of coolness. Maline is the entire game on Jar Jar Abram's Shit Trek. Where he half the egotistical self-centered con artist politician media-whore bitch he is, he would had known very early on he was totally ill fitting for Star Trek and had removed himself from the projec,t like any honest filmmaker who knows he's ill fitted for a job does. But that's not Jar Jar Abrams, that greedy bitch who only saw with Star Trek as his big opportunity to get easy and fat paychecks by getting old of his own franchise through rapping and pillage. Fucker should had stuck to Mission impossible, at least he does have some affinity to that franchise, evne if he had to turn it into an over-exptented episode of Alians, but it was not exactly foreing territory for him. But Star Trek, he has as much business in that franchise as Michel Bay directing a movie adaptation of a Jane Austen book.
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Sep 02, 2009 12:11:42 PM CDT
Jar Jar Abrams' Start Trek = Michael Bay's Sense And Sensebility
by asimovlives
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have a good day, man. im going to step outside and take the boxer out for a walk. its sunny and 70 degrees out here. the kind of weather that makes you happy to be alive. but your responses havent directly answered anything. if anything they have shown a real movie lover - a true movie geek, like myself - that was hurt by the final outcome of star trek. but nowhere have you addressed what gives you the authority to speak for me, or anyone else. where have you talked about the insight you have on orci or anyone elses life that deems you a credited source for talking abotu their dreams. you notice how FEW of you are on this talk back, at this point? its 4 or 5 of you max, talking to each other. what does that tell you? you 4 or 5 are the only smart ones on t his website? really? okay. i hope you see how funny you sound to all of us stupid fans of the new movie. or worse, how sad you sound. you dont want to rationalize or engage in an educated argument. you want to vent and moreso insult all who disagree with you. you are intolerant. or maybe you arent, i dont know you. im going on the face and words that you have voluntarily chosen to show the world.
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On that last post. Because he's even lost me at this point. So your mad at the guy for wanting to make money? Money is god, you always want to please your god.
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The Boborci fan club?
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So it's basically a bunch of 19th. Century slack-jawed cowpokes staring up at the sky saying "Whut the hell is that?!" for 2 hours? Nah...
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I'm sorry if i'm not too kind to the people are are helping miserable incompetent hacks fucking up modern cinema by legitimizing their shit. I love cinema, and it hurts my soul to see movies being so badly made by complete untalented hacks, but worst, that some of my fellow geeks eat all that shit up unquestionably, as if they had not seen a really good movie before in their whole lives and lacks references for comparison.I do not appologise for my passion and for my investment, interest and love for cinema.
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always had something about it, ok it had some really shitty episodes (hello original Trek's third season) but can anyone really say that this new Abrams Trek is anywhere near on the level of ideas or story of episodes like City on the Edge of Forever, Amok Time, Darmok etc? Clearly ideas and intelligence were purged in order to cater for the lowest common denominator.
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WHERE! WHERE! Can I be the president! I'll set up the meetings, we can watch The Island before every meeting! I'll make t-shirts with this picture of him and his partner on it! http://tinyurl.com/l4ueg6
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Sep 02, 2009 12:19:25 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, G.I. JOE! FUCK!! NO!!! IN FACT I RIPPED KNOWLE
by carlthormark1978
For slobbering over that absolutely fucking awful movie. But then so did every other website including CHUD and that cocksucker Faraci. But that’s because the studio’s shut out mainstream critics and gave these internet twats preferential treatment. As for the movie itself, I couldn’t fucking stand that piece of shit. Screenplay wise it’s no better then Star Trek but at least ST was well Directed and had charismatic actors that were well suited to their parts. Stephen Sommer’s couldn’t Direct a lump of shit out of his ass into the water of a toilet bowl. Seriously, when he takes a poo, I bet it hits the side of the bowl and slowly slides down, coming to rest just millimeters from the water. The he wipes his ass so hard that his he rips the toilet paper, sending half of his finger up his asshole. But he doesn’t take it out because, to him, this is a new sensation that he’s never experienced, so he slowly shoves his finger all the way up his culo and swirls around the shit in his rectum. Then he tries to get another finger in before feeling around and discovering his prostate is sensitive to the touch. He starts to massage it as his dick gets harder and he feels an overwhelming urge to stroke his spam javelin. He starts smacking the baloney while practically fisting his anus until he climaxes and then, suddenly, he realizes that his hand is stuck up his shitter!?! He panics and starts to cry while desperately trying to pull out but his Rolex is caught on the inside and he can’t get it unlocked. His hand is covered in cum so he tries to get some toilet paper but the roll breaks off the spool, hits his foot and goes rolling towards the door. A knock at the door!!! “Stephen, the actors are ready to shoot the 36th flashback within a flashback scene”, “alright, I’ll be out in a minute!” he cries. “Stephen, are you okay? Are you crying? You’re not reading the Mummy Returns reviews again are you?”, “Uh…NO…..I’m fine, I’ve just got a few more lines of coke to do and I’ll be out”, “?.........okay…..”. Now is the time to panic. Sommers opens the door to the stall and hobbles out in an awkward position with his hand still firmly lodged in his colon and cum dripping off his free left hand. He gets to the sink, turns on the tap and tries to use the water to lube his wrist but it’s just mixing all the shit, cum and quite a bit of blood around which is now dribbling down his legs. He slips and he hits the left side of his head on the sink, HARD, before landing on the floor. He’s momentarily stunned until he realizes that he’s on the floor but something is amiss. The vision of his right eye is fine but his left eye has this weird perspective. It’s almost as though he’s staring right at the floor but his head is looking at the ceiling?!? He tries to get up and while doing so the vision in his left eye is all over the place. With his hand still up his ass he gets a look in the mirror and realizes that his left eye is hanging out of its socket and is swinging by it’s optic nerve. So, now with his hand up his ass, his eyeball hanging out of his skull and covered with blood, shit and cum, Stephen decides that this can’t go on any further. He starts towards the door, gets there and starts to open it. He tries to step out and slips on the toilet paper roll that he lost earlier. He goes crashing out of the bathroom trailer and onto the ground. He comes to a few second later and realizes that the entire crew and all the actors are standing around him, along with his geriatric mother who is holding a cake for his birthday, which he forgot was today. He and his mother exchange glances for a moment as he notices a look of disgust come over her face. He yells at her “WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT YOU CUNT? THIS ISN’T AS BAD AS WHEN I CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL EARLY AND FOUND YOU BEING VIDEOTAPED WHILE GETTING FUCKED BY A GERMAN SHEPARD!!!” Her face turns to ash as the entire crew is now looking at her and, amazingly, not at their Director who is lying on the ground, covered with blood, shit and cum with his hand up his ass and his eyeball hanging out of it’s socket. She drops the cake, opens her purse, pulls out a snub nose .38, says to Stephen “you were adopted”, stick the gun into her mouth and pulls the trigger. No one knows what to do or say so Stephen breaks the silence….”oh well, at least this isn’t as bad as Van Helsing” just before a crow lands next to him AND snatches his eye before flying off to which Sommers screams “MOTHERFUCKER!!!” THE END
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Is this an american though process? Since when in my posts i blame Bob The Orci for wanting to get a just deserve for his work? Do you think I have a problem with Chirstopher Nolan for making millions from his Batman movies? I think it's totally deserving gfor Nolan that he gets hugely rich for his work on his Batman movies,he fucking deserved it for his good work he did.Bob The Fucking Orci doesn't deserve a fuckign cent for his shit work, in fact, he should pay out for the shit he inflicts tothe audiences.But my point is not that he's sucessful, but that the fucker is sucessful because he makes TERRIBLE STUPID MOVIES. That's the fucking point! How hard is it to understand?
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You gotta give him credit, crusading ain't easy.
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A site of reverence, where the radiated ape-punks never go: in the rubble of Los Angeles, one monument still stands to all that Man achieved. Kurtzman and Orci are chiseled in stone atop the mammoth View-Master, palms locked in an eternal "high five." An inscription in a dead language: "THERE WAS A GREAT IDEA THERE AND IT WAS PERFECT TO MARRY WITH VIEW-MASTER."
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Couple of things...1. It was stated to be an alternate universe - Spock doesn't need a goatee unless there's only one alternate.2. Nero and crew didn't look older because... They're Romulans! Very similar to Vulcans in look and lifespan. Romulans embraced emotion, while Vulcans focused on logic.
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Bet to be his fan club president, rob his money and found your own movie career. I'd had far far far more trust in you making movies then that Bob The Orci hack shitstain.
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I don't even feel it's crusading at all. It's not a stretch. You do not get tired for telling the truth.
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do you have a job? if so, have you ever given a paycheck back because, one week, you didnt give it your best work? did you ever tell you boss "oh im sorry, sir. i appreciate it, but take this money back, or give me 67% less becuase i wasnt giving you my all." didnt think so.
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I would like for you to know. That even though it didn't matter, and usually I don't care. But for me the first true raping of my childhood occurred during the viewing of Transformers in movie theaters that I paid to see. The child like excitement in me of hoping to see a fun awesome silly Transformers movie quickly vanished part way into the movie. I couldn't believe that a movie starring a semi-truck that turns into a robot, didn't have the coolest scene involving a semi-truck that came out that summer. Nor could I believe how crappy of a movie this was and how everyone said how much they liked it. I've seen and liked tons of stuff I know is crap (I like Emmerich’s Godzilla), but I did not like Transformers...and I easily should have. I loved the cartoon and toys, and I’m easily pleased. So when I saw the Transformers 2 trailer I got excited again, but I remembered how badly I was burnt last time. And I managed not to pay to see Transformers 2 in theaters. I even had a chance to see it FOR FREE and I didn't take it (i sat through the first half of the worst movie ever made, Year One, instead). And I feel good about my self having done so. It was like getting off of cigarettes trying not to see that movie, for a movie geek like me. But I did it.... That’s not to say I may Netflixs it further down the line. But at least then they really don't get my money. It doesn't mean anything in terms of final numbers, but it meant something to me.
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... i can't wait to see Jar Jar Abrams/Bob The Orci/The Klutzman's Shit Trek 2. I can't wait to see it and laught at it's incredible stupidity and incompetence. That movie will be the year's best comedy, for the sheer crapness and incompetence. It will be as funny as the best work from the Coen Brothers. It will as funny as only an involuntary comedy can only be. The drama will be comic, and the comedy will be vomit inducing. It will be a show, oh yeah, it will be a show. But not for for the reason intended.
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according to his response to my last post.(He is one Egostistical sonofabitch.) I have not seen ST, nor do I plan to either.Orci may not have been ascerbic during our back and forth bantering, but I'll be damned if I forgive him for the celluoid abomination that is Transformers 2...and Eagle Eye.Fuck him and Shia(what kind of name is that for a guy?) Lebouf.
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Next up: Cowboys and Aliens and Doritos
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That one post I was talking about, was pretty muddled. I totally thought that you were mad at him for talking jobs offered to him.
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There was just a great idea there and it was perfect to marry with Doritos.
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Nice try, but fail. If bob The Orci and The Klutzman (and Jar Jar Abrams for that matter) were carpinters, all the houses they had build had fallen down on the first wind and killed all their occupants ansd by now they would all be serving long jail stretches on involuntary manslaughter and fraudulent malpractice and they would be sistematically ass raped in teh showers EVERY FUCKING DAY! Thank goodness for this shits they became filmmakers, where they only get ass fucked by limp wristed studio executives, instead of the aryan brotherhood.
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Asimov, please tell me you will not be paying for Trek 2 to mock it. Paying for it only feeds the monster.
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Did you click on the link I put for the picture I would put of Bob for the fan club t-shirts. Its really funny! Its nothing gross, and its safe for work. Just click it you'll see.
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I FUCKING HATED Voyager but they made one all time classic Star Trek episode and that is Deathwish. It's about a Q who wishes to commit suicide and the entire episode is so marvelously written, Directed and acted while it manages, on a TV budget, to convey some incredible ideas on the nature of immortality and the Q continuum. That episode cost about 1/60th of the budget for the new Star Trek movie and it explored fascinating concepts that are beyond Orci and Kurtzman who are two shit flinging monkey’s.
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You didn't dig that hooked up Hummer with the rocket launchers and car scooper?! What about brunettified Sienna Miller?
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Exactly. There are some episodes sprinkled throughout the Trek series that kick the shit out of Abrams and co. They had no intention of honouring the legacy of Trek, just churning out a dumbass Star Wars clone.
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Caption says that's "Jason Friedberg"?
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You have my full sympathy for Transformrs. I'm not a fan of the toys or the old cartoon show, i never saw it because in Portugal they never showed it back then when it was big in the States. Still, and without any personal investment on the Transformers franchise, when i saw that abomination of a movie, i couldn't help but feel tremendously sympathetic and sorry for all the Transformers fans. I felt their pain. As such, i'm terribly sorry for what you had to endure watching that Michael Bay's shit. As for the second movie, let me tell you this: i'll never watch it. In fac,t i'm not to watch any other Micheal Bay movie from ence foward. Transformers was the last drop for me. Never more.
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Yeah I know...thats the joke.
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Ugh...I hate the fact you brought that up. It makes my statement of Voyager being complete crap invalid. It is in fact one of the better trek episodes, and one of the few voyager episodes that kept the show from being complete waste of time.
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I can always do an illegal download, can't I?
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..especially with all the doubts i had that would more than likely turn me away;(Non canon when compared to the Comic,Wayans and that nugget head tatum Channing,Joes in Halo armor and of course there's GibsonUSAReturns with his annoying obsession with Big Lob)despite my dismays, overall I enjoyed the Movie for what it was and it was actually written better than TF2 without the stupid sophomoric humor,plotholes and especially the dumb assed unwarranted sterotypes.TF2 just made more money, but it's still a failure,both story and content wise.
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This is true, and I figured that was your plan. I will be willing to pay for Trek 2, even if I get burned.
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If it serves as any consolation, both Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek and TRanformers 2 will only make bucks in a one year window of oportunity. After that, they will fall into the that black hole in movie history reserved to shit movies that got over-hyped whent hey came out but were compeltly forgotten afterwards.And 10 years from now, district 9 and Moon are still making money for the studios who made them, and their DVDs, blue-rays and whatever other format they will be in the future will still sell, and occasionaly a new special edition will emerge and sold out. Why? Because quality always sells. quality always seels in the long run. Quality movies are marathon runners, they keep on sellingm and selling, and selling and selling, and making more and more money. While shit like Shit Trek and Transformers 2 are all but forgotten. That's the beauty of time, it legitimates the quality and puts the shit in it's proper place, the toilet of history.
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Spot on. No one will be talking about Star Trekwars 25 years from now. People are still talking about Wrath of Khan. Quality endures.
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I think Abrams felt that a NEW Trek idea wouldn't be as good as utilizing the original series characters. I agree with this. I don't think I want to see Star Trek: The Next, Next Generation.Did Star Trek 2009 have some issues? YES.Did I enjoy it overall? YES.I'm a huge Star Trek fan, and have been since I was a kid. My kids love Star Trek too. I heard the 'alternate timeline' was being used as a device to restart Trek before I saw the movie, so I was prepared for disappointment. But, by accepting the 'alternate timeline' and the idea that the appearance of Nero's ship in that timeline affected everything - I was able to let go (a little) and enjoy the film.POSSIBLE SPOILERI'm a nitpicker, so there are quite a few things I couldn't understand (such as Why is Checkov a boy genius? and Why are Spock and Uhura in a relationship?) But I could concede that the direction of the Federation and people's lives were altered due to the arrival of Nero's ship.'Course correction' could be another reason why the different characters are drawn together - including Old Spock and Young Kirk.With that said it'll be interesting to see how the next Star Trek handles these changes.Overall Star Trek 2009 is much better than any of the Star Wars 'prequels' (talk about major disappointments) and better than Final Frontier, Insurrection, and Nemesis.
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Thank you!Your 'View Master' and 'Doritos' comments gave me a good laugh today.
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But then again, who of us is?
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nobody will be talking about the movies you wrote in 25 years either. i wonder what your legacies WILL be?
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Shall we go a few rounds before we have to get back to our lives?
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Or should I say ... Hola.
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It's afternoon, lazybug!
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I loved the living hell out of it. I'm going back for seconds.
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Did you work night shift last night?
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See, I sit in the uncomfortable position of liking Trek 2009, but not willing to overlook its flaws. So I find myself arguing with the likes of Asimov who thinks Abrams is the devil incarnate and those that are cheerleading Trek 09 as the best thing since sliced bread. So we are not so far apart. I think they would have been better to take the BSG route and just did a clean reboot.
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just not online till now
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I thought the movie was going to end at the end of the Paris sequence (because it was so awesome) ... but it kept going and fucking my eyeballs in unimaginable ways. The underwater battles were straight up mind blowing. Go check it out.
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What did you think of them?
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Is Asimov and Bob here at the same time? Hmm caged fight...I'm getting some popcorn.
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in my opinion
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Great stuff indeed. Keep up the fight! As for now he's just Bob OWNEDsee.
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fuck these people. i doubt they would run into a mcdonalds and throw their cheesburger at the attendant if they were unhappy with it. and thats what theyre doing. bashing you is so much easier than creatign something out of nothing, themselves. im no clebrity defender, and i hated transformers 2. but that doesnt make you souless, etc etc. half of the people attacking you here cant differentiate between "then" and "than," so take it all with a grain of salt. (although i hated T2, i loved loved loved star trek. thanks for that, bud.)
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Good show!!!!
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What my legacy has to do with the shit jobs that Bob The Orci and The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams are shitting out of their asses? Those fucjking hacks, they are the subjec, tnot me. Stop trying to throw dust at me, friend, i'm not that dumb to be easily obfuscated by such tactics. Stick to the program and the subject, friend.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:08:30 PM CDT
HEY BOB - KEEP IN MIND THAT SINCE THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS OBLIT
by bringingsexyback
that the Klingons don't have to be the bad guys anymore. Because of Nero's doing, the Federation and the Klingons can join forces against the Romulans for an all-out, balls-out intergalactic war. Oh sit that would be fucking awesome. Can you do something with that, hombre?
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I don't like that shit. And it is shit.
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Can we cut him some slack now? Asimov?
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Here's Five Reasons Why Boborci isn't Roberto (Bob) Orci1. He said 'There are no Klingons in our movie' - the real Orci would've known the script originally called for Klingons and the shot footage was being added to the DVD/Blu-ray release2. Trolls love attention and thousands of them would love to pretend they're a hated screenwriter3. He thought the Matrix in the Transformer's cartoon and TF2 were the same - 'not a thing... in your heart'4. He misspelled Vulcan as 'Vulacan'5. He was up in the middle of the night on AICN instead of resting and getting ready to write a great scriptOh... wait.After I re-read my list I realize that only the first of the five reasons is valid, since the others could be Orci afterall.
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And i'm supoposed to be imopressed that Bob The Orci thinks that District 9 and The Hurt Locker are good movies? Even retards knows those two are good movies. That's how obviously good they are.The problem of Bob THe Orci is nott hat he can tell a good movie when he sees one, but that he cannot fucking write one! He can't even write a modestly watchable one!And i'm glad he's here reading this posts. I hope he reads mine. Read this, hackboy!
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One of the guys up there is right. This is a graphic novel published/owned by Platinum Studios & I read it on their site a while back. Needs a lot of work. It's badly drawn & the characters are really underdeveloped. It's the kind of graphic novel that you'd flip through & put back on the rack after flipping through a few pages. Even w/lots of movie development, squashing two things together doesn't make it a good original idea.
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Quit ruining my delusion...I want to pretend a big time writer would bother to read and respond to crap we post.
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"And i'm glad he's here reading this posts. I hope he reads mine. Read this, hackboy!"I love your posts. Truly.
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i am on the subject. you are assaulting a writer for his legacy and how he will be remembered, which means you stake a large bit of importance on legacy, what will be remembered... so im wondering whether you hold yourself to such standards or if they ONLY apply to them because you cant get over the fact you just dont like their work. i mean, youve been at this FOR 6 HOURS man... what does that say about you?
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Don't be a tool. And if you hated Terminator 2 I can see why you loved Star Trek.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:22:44 PM CDT
This is the perfect storm of talkbacker hatered! EVERYBODY RUN!!
by tall_boy66
All of those people up there have been slagged by any number of talkbackers individually, put them all together and, like that single black X-Wing pilot in the Rebellion said in Return of the Jedi just before he passed from this word: "SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!"
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Why? He was just doing his job.
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Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek coesn't have issues. Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek IS A ISSUE!It is possible to write and create a good Star Trek movie made with the original characters and telling their earlier exploits whuile they wwere still cadetes and ensigns. that's not the issue. That's a golden oportunity, in fact. It's cleaver way to use the same old beloved characters, while not to have to replace the classic actors, all of them now old people, some of them sadly no longer with us, taken away to the undiscovered country, according to Hamlet.The idea of having a Star Trek movie set during the academy years is not evne a new idea. Paramlunt had been wanting to do such a movie since the early 90s, after Star Trek 6. But with the Next Geenration movies, they just shelved the idea for the time being.It was only recently that idea resirfaced and to go was given to a Star Trek movie that owuld not only revisit the TOS Trek, but tell the untold tales of the characters as young men and women.Sadly for us, and for Star Trek, we got to have to tell those tales the mediocre Team Shit of Bob The Orci, The Klutzman and fucking Jar Jar Abrams. They couldn't had came up with a worst team to fuck up the Star Trek legacy. In all that movie you can tell how little care and concern those hacks have for Star Trek. Or for cinema, for that matter. And the later is their worst offence. This guys are useless. They are worst then useless, they are poison. I haven't seen a worst bunch of filmmaking shits fucking up a movie since the marvel team of Jar Jar Abrams and Michael Bay when they made Armageddon. This hacks are unbelievable!
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I guess things are tough all over, huh?
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I'll ask you only one thing: don't insult my intelligence. I already have Bob The Orci, The Klutzman, fucking Jar Jar Abrams and their fucking movie to do that. Nothing insults me more then insulting my intelligence. I'd appreciate you would refrain from such, that would be cool, thank you very much.
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Hatred? It's telling it as it is.
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why am i being a tool? you said that they wont be remembered, as if thats some kind of indicator of its importance or lack thereof... so im wondering what you will be remembered for? if the answer is nothing, then youre no better. its an honest question. and as for the t2/terminator 2 comment - im sure you know i meant transformers 2.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:27:45 PM CDT
BOB - ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO STALLONE'S EXPENDABLES?
by bringingsexyback
Did you hear he's doing Rambo V?
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siralex hated Terminator 2? THE ACCUSATION RESTS!
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If you are really Roberto (Bob) Orci I have a couple of favors to ask. Hopefully you noticed that while I did have some fun at your expense in my last post, I did actually have some defenses of your Star Trek script in earlier posts.On to the favors...1. in the next Transformers, please fight to have more robot to robot dialogue and actually introduce the robots (avoid having 'Sideways' characters that appear visually and are then destroyed).2. In the next Star Trek, please remember that while it's still a few years before Kirk was supposed to even have become a Captain or been on the Enterprise - so please don't revisit sacred story lines (such as Kahn).Thank you.
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That's why.
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I asked you to not insult my intelligence. When i asked you that, what part of it you did not understood?
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1. T3 will be someone else's to play with.2. Noted.
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i actually approached you sidestep of the question having great respect for your intelligence. youve been insulting peoples intelligence for 6 HOURS now, so why are you different? perhaps i shuld type it in portuguese so that you can understand my arguments a bit better. then again it would be unfair to everyone else.
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I met him in the "Fringe" press room and he told me so himself.
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Yeah, you keep it REAL, dawg. You sure speak the truth for EVERYBODY except we are ALL TOO STUPID to KNOW WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD! Yeah, you tell it like it is. Ya Chumpdouce.
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T2 is Terminator 2 Judgment Day, a 1991 film directed by James Cameron. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen did not use a 2 anywhere in it's title. Just to avoid future confusion.
As to whether or not i'll be remembered I'm not involved in the film industry so it's unlikely that my Star Trek film will be remembered. But I can guarantee you that 25 years from now nobody will be talking about seeing it. It just didn't have the quality level involved. -
Yup. Have you ever heard of anyone impersonating a screen writer?
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im sorry if you were confused. to avoid your further confusion, anytime i refer to transformers: revenge of the fallen, i will use its entire name. thanks for the pro-tip.
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When you and your partners in hackdom THe Klutzman and Jar Jar abrams write make the next movie in your Shit Trek saga, please make the worst movie you can. No, really, i'm begging you guys to write and direct the worst thing you can. Becasue i really want to have a lot of laughts when i watch it, i want to spend the entire movie laughing from start to finish. Please, don't hold yourselves, unleash yourselves. Make it entertaining with complete awfulness. Entertain me.
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Could you confirm there were originally Klingons in your Star Trek movie?
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That sounds like an MTV / VH1 series right there. It's got a hip title. Because, quite obviously, anybody who's "tellin' it like it is" keeps is ON THE DOWNLOW. See ya on the FLIPSIDE!!!! It must do wonders for his self esteem to assume EVERYONE WHO IS DIFFERENT IS IDIOTIC!!! Heh. "I keep it REAL and TELL IT LIKE IT IZZZZ!!" Oh, praise Jebus AsimovLives is looking out for our collective intelligence.
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Hi. I didn't see TF2.. and I'm glad. Glad, glad, glad, glad, glad, glad, glad.
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I wasn't trying to be a wiseass (though to be fair that's how it came across) Just saying that 99.9% of talkbackers will assume if you mention T2 that you'll be referring to Terminator 2.
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yes, they were there at one point but ended up on the cutting room floor, as they say.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:38:07 PM CDT
It's right that Hercules wrote "Star Trek" with quotation marks
by asimovlives
Because that shit was not Star Trek at all, it was "Star Trek", as in, not Star Trek, only marginally pretending. And very badly at that.
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He's one of my favorite people, I mean that sincerely. Nobody better fuck with him.
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Like a moth to a flame.
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to be fair, if you scroll up, the shortened version of T2 in regards to transformers: revenge of the fallen appears frequently. i have been on this website for years. and i saw terminator 2 with my father (RIP) the night it came out, at midnight... and old spaniard who worked at 6am every morning at a factory job, but still thought it was worth the sacrifice of being a bit tired to give himself and his son the experience of terminator 2. i guess what bothers me most, and what has brought me out of my shell on the talkbacks is you and a few others that have the "99% of talkbackers", "us", "we", "us intelligent people", "the majority of us movie geek" comments scattered through your comments - as if you guys have the authority to speak for anybody other than yourselves. i dont think youre any less intelligent for liking star trek. why should you and others insult people for liking it? how is that tolerant?
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For your next Star Trek script since the new one was Star Wars+Wrath of Khan+Top Gun+Good Will Hunting+Voyage Home+Ordinary People. I guess, the real question is, who’s family member is going to be killed next to give the characters motivation, eh? Why not hook up Spocks Dad and Kirk’s Mom and have them killed by Klingons while they’re in a 69 or the Vulcan Deathfuck? What doomsday weapon will the next villain have? Or how many Tylenol does Mr. Orci need after a night of binge drinking and crying that he’ll never get an Oscar while masturbating to a candle lit picture of Akiva Goldsman. Tell me, Bob, when Goldsman was on the set for his cameo in Star Trek, did you and Kurtzman corner him and demand his secret of always writing completely appalling shit and yet somehow managing to win an Oscar despite an obvious lack of talent? You and your fellow typewriter hitting chimp aren’t fit to suck the shit out of Paddy Chayefsky’s dead asshole. Oh and what was the settlement for the lawsuit against The Island which was outright plagiarized from The Clonus Horror which brings me to my next question. Have you ever written anything that wasn’t a fucking rip off of something else? I mean, forget your TV work, I know the rest of the world has, but…..The Island = Clonus Horror, Legend of Zorrow was based on the first film, which itself was based on the old serial to be fair. But Mission : Impossible, Transformers, Star Trek not to mention that Eagle Eye was Rear Window 2.0. never mind that Fringe is Have you ever wrote anything that wasn’t a rip off of something else you fucking hack? As for Star Trek 2, make it a combo of Animal House+I Spit On Your Grave+The Groove Tube+Benji+Flesh Gordon+Frankenhooker and you might just have a winner! Or just do what you did last time, wipe your ass with 120 piece’s of paper and mail them to Abrams.
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He's awesome. Really nice guy.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:44:34 PM CDT
Hercules, DOES ORCI HAVE FULL, SUPPLE LIPS, THE TYPE THAT....
by carlthormark1978
Only a studio executive could love?
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I have not insulted anybody's intelligence, i have insulted a shit movie and the hacks who made it. Can you tell the difference?You insult my intelligence by deviating the conversation into a subject that has nothing to do with the thing bing discussed here. What the fuck matters if i will left a legacy or not? What does it matters? We are talking about filmmakers and THEIR LEGACY, or lack of. We ar talkin about THEY. My or your merits or demerits has nothing to do with this. NOTHING! Nothing at all.And even if it did, which doesn't, whatever my legacy i would had, good or bad, wouldn't still make a differecen on how forgetable and sent to the toilet of history that Shit Trek and Tranformers 2 shit movies will be their destiny. that's their fate, no matter what other destinies will exist. their fate will be in the bog of history. The good movies made today will live long lives the same way that the good old movies made before still live today. That's the subject,that's the point.And don't instuilt my intelligence deviating the subject here just because you are with a lack of arguments to support those two shit movies.
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ooh, I like the idea of Kirk's mom with Spock's dad! Thanks!
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create something.
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ass.. Pew! Pew! Beeow!!
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Because Kirk's stepdad is a fucking asswipe and she's better off with a Vulcan.
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*Ducks*
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originally sold as a spec script by another writer. We came on board as 'script doctors" as they say. We were actually surprised when the WGA gave us shared credit.
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Apologies if you were offended. But the new Trek was far from intelligent. It really was a dumbed-down version of Star Trek. I'll be happy to discuss any evidence you want to bring up to support the new Trek as being an intelligent, well-thought out and executed piece of science-fiction filmmaking.
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Apologies if you were offended. But the new Trek was far from intelligent. It really was a dumbed-down version of Star Trek. I'll be happy to discuss any evidence you want to bring up to support the new Trek as being an intelligent, well-thought out and executed piece of science-fiction filmmaking.
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Sep 02, 2009 1:48:32 PM CDT
Boborci, YOU IMPERSONATE BEING A SCREENWRITER!!!FACT!!!
by carlthormark1978
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The very fact that there's product placement at all in Jar Jar abram's Shit trek is enough proof of what fucking ignorance this hacks Bob THe Orci, THe Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams have about Star Trek. Even I an amateur on Star Trek knows how absurd and stupid it is to have brands product placement in a Star Trek movie.MAybe for the next Star Trek, the they will product placement for Kool-Aid. The first movie already had it served, why not make it official?
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okay bud.you obviously do not have the reading comprehension needed to really conduct such an argument. you have insulted others repeatedly, particularly their intelligence. you called people who like it stupid, idiots, you said that they sucked the cocks of these writers. so youre the one conviniently forgetting what YOU wrote. and if you HAD read what i wrote and understood it correctly, you would see that im not going to defend two movie. i said, explicitly, that i did not like transformers 2. three times, as a matter of fact. im done with you. you make me sad.
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Whats the going rate for hookers now a days in LA?
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Spock is trying to mind meld with Aliyah. He got balls.
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Touche!
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There's no way i'm going to disrespect Star Trek by calling that to those dumb stupid badly made shit movies that hack team of Bob The Orci, The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams are making.
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Use of Sabatoge? Just for fun, or a knock on how Shatner said it? Dish.
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Let Chris Pine take the mantle with dignity. He's great.
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You REALLY need to get Kurtzman on these boards. Since you guys are billed as a double-act, I want to get my Talkback money's worth.
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Who wouldn't want to meld with Alia, hum? It's only logical. Spock aint no fool!
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Website do you use to submit your scripts to?
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Sep 02, 2009 1:52:23 PM CDT
INTERGALACTIC PLANETARY, PLANETARY INTERGALATIC!!!!!
by bringingsexyback
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Bring the The Klutzman here too. The more the merrier. And Jar Jar Abrams too, while you are at it, Bob!
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its not that i want to argue that star trek is intelligent science fiction. thats an argument that nobody can win. its a subjective argument. its not a cut and dry, black and white argument, like asking if a child with down syndrome or a rock is more or less intelligent than you or me. you cant win that argument. it will be fun to have the discussion, sure. but there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to subjectivity. i get "offended" (and i use the term loosely, becuase i cant really be offended by someone who doesnt know me, and i expect the same from you) is people that call others idiots and morons for not liking the movie. again, thats just intolerance.
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I've tried. He will be the first to tell you that his skin isn't as thick for this kinda fun.
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I have to ask this fast before the drugs I took kick in and an I suppress the memory of TF2...Who's idea was it for the sexbot decepticon in the movie, I got to know.
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If they ever bring back celebrity boxing/fighting. Would you and Kurtz be willing to take on the dynamic duo of Seltzer and Friedberg. Come on, that would already be on celebrity death match if they still made that show.
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It's like a chick grinder in here.
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the one at school? that was us writers...
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What dignity did Chris Pine's Kirk got? Being punched in the face by everybody and his grandmother in the latest Shit Trek movie? That's dignity? Having The Shatner hamming his way and chewing the scenery on this Shit Trek mvoies would be a return to dignity. Nothing The Shatner can do could be worst then the fuck ups the team hack has done to Star Trek already.
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Was the bloated cost of the movie due to Bay's excessive coke habit?
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..riddle me this "Bobman", WTF are you up since 4ish AM and on AICN for that matter? Are you some kind of masochist to get flamed on my the tbers including yours unruly?Or are you attention starved? You put up a good fight, but you have yet to apologize for the crap films you and klutzman helped to create.Apologize for TF2 and Eagle Eye and all will be forgiven.......tick,tock......tick,tock,tick,tock..
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All the more reason for him to just dive right in. Trust me. Once he gets his feet wet and engages in a full on Flame War, he'll get the taste for it. It might even put hair on his chest.BTW - are you guys really leaving the TRANSFORMERS franchise? Any particular reason?
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Sep 02, 2009 1:56:47 PM CDT
Boborci, I'D EXPECT YOU TO LIKE THE KIRK'S MOM/SPOCK'S DAD IDEA.
by carlthormark1978
It fit’s within the realm of your moronic, sub-sitcom quality of writing. I expect Scotty to fall over his assistant in Star Trek 2 while a laugh track plays over the scene as audience members starting cutting their wrists and crying over paying to see it. You can’t even decide what a fucking black hole is for? You’d fail at writing a bestiality flick!
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I think I've realized something here - you didn't like "STAR TREK" did you?
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I need to go make my lunch. My mom packed something fancy today! I'm having Kimchi! Be back in 2.
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I don't have the will or stamina to fight that.
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but your writing - your writing is genius. i cant wait for your next script to come out. the one about, um, er, um, oh yeah... nevermind. again, create something.
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Your entire argument boils down to "Everything I say is gospel that it is great". Once in awhile you spice up with a few flowery terms like "bog of history" (who in God's name actually uses that in a coherent fucking argument? I mean, REALLY!) to assert your towering level of genius over the poor, huddled talkbackers yearning to be free who happen to be in the presence of one of your prounoucements that you unleash from your perk on Mt. Crank. Every single comment you have ever made on this entire website is simply dripping with disdain and hatred for everything, be it the filmmakers or the fans who make them. How is this behavior sensible, rational, or even logical for a person to behave? You're a really ticked off misanthrope, and I'm quite sick of you continuing to say the exact same shit in everything single talkback. ("Shit Trek!"...no, wait, that doesn't express my anger enough. "FUCK TREK!" Oh, I got a way to get the masses of talkback on my side, I'll dredge up the ghost of Binks. "JAR JAR ABRAMS!" Heh. Damn, I'm good!) And. You. Keep. Fucking. Doing. It. Again. And. Again. And. You. Never. Fucking. Stop. For the love of everything that is good and holy: Get over yourself already.
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but your writing - your writing is genius. i cant wait for your next script to come out. the one about, um, er, um, oh yeah... nevermind. again, create something.
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Cocain is a hell of a drug.
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Good one.
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I can't believe all this funny is free!!!!!!!!
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wasn't 4 where I was. Only midnight or so.
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So noone wants to fess up for that huh? Its ok, I wouldn't want to get my name on that cliched story bit either. You guys done with TF3, for real? Good for you. Don't let anyone tell you don't have good taste...although you should have quite on TF2.
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Thanks for reading/considering my requests.I enjoyed Star Trek 2009 and my sons and I are ready for more.While there's a lot of negativity here I do want to say thank you for your work on: Fringe and Jack of All Trades.Do you know who'll write the next Transformers?
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he answered you, bro.
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Bay actually puts more of every dollar on the screen than almost any other director. He is extremely budget conscious and savvy.
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When that call comes in at 3am for an emergency "Lite Brite" script by noon, you have to be ready to deliver.
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You've gotta have a thicker skin to be on these talkbacks, none of it is personal. I've spent longer than is neccessary (yes, i'll admit it!) moaning about why Star Trek was a bad movie, i've yet to hear a convincing argument from anyone as to why they think it was a good movie.
As for the old "your writing is genius" chestnut, you'll get no complaints from me about a script from the likes of Aaron Sorkin, James Cameron etc. so when scripts fall below-par (and in turn reduce the quality of the entire blockbuster industry) I feel pretty justified in complaining about it.
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..I wouldn't be up at night going at it with the TBers, instead I would find more constructive things to do with all that Money;Plane rides with pole dancers ala Tony Stark,Driving my lamborgini ala Tony Stark and building a Super Powered Armor ala Stark...ok, I'll leave the last part out, but you get what I'm saying.At least try to improve on your writing skills.You can start with rewriting both TF scripts and without your hack sidekick.Better yet, hire a more seasonable writer to flesh out your stories/outlinesYou have the fund$.
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"Do you know who'll write the next Transformers?" No idea. Maybe Ehren will go back for more, but who knows.
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Sep 02, 2009 2:06:22 PM CDT
I CAN'T BELIEVE THE CREW COULDN'T FIGURE OUT VGER = VOYAGER
by bringingsexyback
Fucking dunces.
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Ahhh but he said us writers. Kinda of just a generic answer. I was hoping for a specific name as someone had to come up using one of the most over used plot ideas on the planet.
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Except playing Wii Sports Resort. You got a Wii, Bob?
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Mazel.
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Must be great to be an hack's ass kisser.
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We are the creator."
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My bad. (I guess that means you're not going to apologize?)well to your credit, you have been a good sport even though we have it in for you and your buddy Klutzman.(And justifiably so too.)Fuck the pedalback, this is going to get more interesting as it is already, thanks to our esteemed guest of honor and his detractors.
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Sep 02, 2009 2:11:05 PM CDT
BOB I HAVE A COOL IDEA - HAVE SPOCK MINDMELD WITH NEW CREW
by bringingsexyback
and he can show them what they were like and did in the original timeline. Isn't that a great idea?
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I feel I must pass the mantle of commandante to you. Your efforts to try and secure good summer blockbusters are exemplary. Hail!
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Bob, you should watch this movie with Kurtz. It looks like its about sports, but its really about two buddies who get big and famous all the sudden. I think it would be a fun date night for you two, trying to figure out which one you are.
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Did you? Some of them were pretty hard.
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*stomps on a dish in celebration*
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"I think I've realized something here - you didn't like "STAR TREK" did you?"Jezz, what makes you think like that?And it's Shit Trek, not Star Trek. Star Trek is too good a name for that abomination of a movie you made.
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You played the dog frisbee game? Is it any good? I'm going to compete with my dog in the world championships in two weeks!
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No, it's Star Trekwars.
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is getting swapped into Transformers 3's release slot? July 4th is a national Kurtzman/Orci celebration.
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Do you tell your buddies you come here? If so, do they roll their eyes and go WHY? Or do they tell you their screen name?
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Sep 02, 2009 2:15:29 PM CDT
Boborci, ON THE SCREEN? TOO BAD BAY DOESN'T SPEND IT......
by carlthormark1978
On better writers. Seriously, the shit that people write on the walls of truck stop bathrooms, in feces, is better written then any movie that you’ve put your name to.
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Never! You are, and you always shall be El Comandante.
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How come you guys aren't writing that? Did you have any say in it? Or where they just looking at the numbers? I very much enjoyed Countdown (i wish that was the movie even).
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How about pulling this talkback back on track (yeah I know crazy talk). So bob do you already have the script for this Cowboys & Aliens? Can't say I've seen any of the comic.
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But I much prefer frisbee golf. My best is 3 under par on the 18-hole Classic course. The last hole kicked my ass, I coulda have 5 under.
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"No, it's Star Trekwars"Anything but Star Trek is fine by me. But i like to leave no ambiguities about what i think of that movie.
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all over it. you know i'm right. Michael Clarke Duncan can be one of the aliens.
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Did some pretty good voice over work in Avatar I thought.
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He called it all along just when near everyone ignored his towncry:.......Damn you Michael Bay. A true unsung hero of the TBers i tell ya.
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THAT'S HYSTERICAL!!!!
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What a fucking brilliant and incisive question to ask. Thanks for answering that Bob.Do you have a PS3 as well? How long did it take you to write Star Trek? Reads like a first draft written in an afternoon. Reminded me of the awful screenplay for Superman Returns. It's like no one bothered to read it back and see if it made any sense.
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Was spicy!
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Then you wouldn't all be so nasty!!!!!
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I wanna register you as my amigo!!!!
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The Beatles: Rock Band defecates all over your wii-mote waggling faggotry. That is all.
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They made Iron Man 3 a definite priority for 2013 because Disney want to get the Paramount deal over and done with. Favreau can't direct Avengers and IM3 back to back. Leterrier, still under contract to deliver another film to Marvel, will start on Avengers after he's done with Clash.
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i guess after the endless assaults from Asi and CTM to put the final nail did it for him.Oh wellz,it was fun while it lasted.And now Wii Sports..
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Then, later on, they all get together at some watering hole for yuppie scum like themselves and high five each other over being better then Talkbackers even though they make millions of dollars and have nothing better to do then post on AICN. Is your life so empty Orci that you really don’t have something else that you could be doing? I come here to fuck around plus I’m too poor to afford other entertainment because I flip burgers. What’s your excuse? But then we all know the real reason you come here is because you’re looking for the recognition that you crave and will never receive because you aren’t interested in working towards becoming a better writer, just as long as the $1000 a week checks keep coming in and that people know your name, content to be a lapdog of Hollywood. Forever.
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it makes sense now. im so sorry about your life.
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Why the hell did you kill Spock's mother? She is his only connection to his human side. Killing her for a cheap moment of drama was just lazy. Her character was always there so Spock could return to her when his Vulcan/human sides were struggling. It allowed his character to debate what it meant to be human. Surely there's more intelligent drama in that for future films? Unless intelligent drama isn't on the cards...ever.
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Bob and Klutz's Star Trek script looks like somebody who couldn«'t give a shit about Star Tek had been hyptonized and ordered to writhe the first shit that came on his mind on paper and never bothered to revise or edit. It's humanly impossible to explain the shit that is in Jar Jar Abram's movie script.
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..HoTD Overkill,RE Umbrella Chronicles,Madworld,Super mario Galaxy and the guitar hero shit.However my sole reason for buying the damned thing was Capcom vs tatsunoko.However I'm just another Xboy @ heart.Shadow Complex and Batman Arkham asylum is fucking my eyeballs!
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A game for it called "Oscar Winning Screenwriter" which he can't get past the first level that's called "Michael Bay Movie".
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Uh, $1,000 a week is a pretty shitty salary for a Hollywood writer. Everyone knows that Bob doesn't get out of bed for anything less than his net weight in opals and a small brown indonesian boy.
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Keep telling it like it is.
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You are asking Bob The Orci for narrative logic? Didn't you watched that fucking movie? Or any other movies they wrote? Since when does this clown ever bothered with narrative and characterization logic? He's not payed for that, he's payed to write shit that insults audience's inteligence, because that's the studio's idea of minimum common denominator. And people are eating that shit up. Why would bob THe Orci care for proper story?
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Sep 02, 2009 2:41:48 PM CDT
BOB I CAN PICTURE YOU, ALEX, MICHAEL AND J.J. KAYAKING
by bringingsexyback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dz4XY6upDs&feature=channel_page
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Michael Bay: "Right!!! Right you fuck I said right!!!!!"
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That means he's still stuck in the tutorial level?
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J.J.: "Your hand is touching my knee Bob!!!!!!"
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Sep 02, 2009 2:46:43 PM CDT
siralex, KEEP POLISHING ORCI'S knob WITH YOUR TONGUE.....
by carlthormark1978
It's about all you've contributed to this talkback apart from “I love you Bob slurp slurp slurp GULP!”
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Ummmmm wouldn't you if she was some shoplifting whore?
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That was hysterical!!!!!
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Yeah I didn't see it either.
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I didn't saw it because i didn't wanted to soil my good impresion of the first Zorro movie. I really liked it. and i didn't even know, back then, that Bob The Orci and The klutzman had writen it. I didn't even knew who the fuck they were. In fac,t i was only aware who those two clowns were with THe Island. After i had the displeasure to watch that bullshit, i just had to know who were the retards who "wrote" that shit.
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Sep 02, 2009 2:56:56 PM CDT
Poor Roberto, he clearly has issues for being here...
by zombieheathledger
I think it really hurts him secretly that he has no geeklove. He prob imagined that in his career we'd all be lining up to blow him like siralex, instead the general consensus is that he is to screenwriting what McG is to directing, utterly vacuous and devoid of creativity or talent. If any of us had his millions would we be on this site? Fuck no. This obviously means he has issues. There's only way to get respect here Bob, write better stuff, try actually saying something, try being original, think it through thoroughly, aim higher than pissing, farting and humping or just admit you are a soulless hack just wanting to get paid and go Don Simson yourself and forget about ever getting geek love because otherwise you are wasting your time here
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Was just a really long Puma commercial.
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A game for it called "Oscar Winning Screenwriter" which Orci can't get past the first level that's called "Michael Bay Movie".
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Sep 02, 2009 2:58:52 PM CDT
Rickey Henderson, "$1000 A WEEK" IS A REFERENCE TO.....
by carlthormark1978
The character played by Leslie Nielsen in Rod Serling’s “The Velvet Alley” who is an alcoholic writer who laments how Hollywood has corrupted him artistically. Here’s a link to the scene in question from a great documentary about Serling, you want to watch from 1:00 as it sets up the clip and ties into Serling’s feelings towards the system that Orci is perfectly comfortable with because he spent his whole life trying to sell his soul at the cost of his personal integrity and let’s just say that the Devil got it cheap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5q25Dtta8E&feature=related
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Sep 02, 2009 3:01:34 PM CDT
ZombieHeathLedger, HE NEEDS THE CHEAT CODES FROM……..
by carlthormark1978
Akiva Goldsman!!!
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It's very obvious that Bob The Orci wants recognition. He wants respect. He wants to be loved by the movie community. In his dreams, he's a geek that writes movies. He wants to be one with the geeks. He dreams of having people be al ohh and ahhh on him, as if he was Christopher and Jonathan Nolan. In his mind, him showing up on geek site would be like bieng invited on a geek party and being the main event.Well, he certainly is the main event, but not for the reason the though he would.Bob The Orci wants recognition. He wants respect. He wants love. That much is true. but what he forgot, working for the studios for so long, is that the praises he gets from studio executives are not sincere praises for his talent. nothing a stuio exec sayus to him is sincere, it's all artifice for him to keep on producting the stuff they want. In here, he will get brutal honesty.I think that he beleives that if he showed up her,e he would get his feet on the floor. What must realyl came to his suprise is how different we are to his idea of geekdom. He must have though he would be received with open arms. He would be a star, and we would be starry-eyed at him.No we aren't. We are hardcore. Were he a really talented filmmaker, he would get the love he wouldn't get anywhere else. but he's shit. And he gets the derision he deserves. We are brutally honest in what we think. Ww don't cut deals, he cut directly to the heart.If ever Bob THe Orci was a geek, he's no longer one. He's not one of us. and he's not respected or well liked. At best, he's a pun.
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and what have you contributed, but the same run of the mill insults and the kind of potty, dick, nut sucking references that you get so worked up about in the scripts you hate so much. i havent defended anybody. i have gone against these people that attack other talkbackers for liking star trek. wasnt it you who said you didnt like blade runner? in another talkback weeks ago? how is that any different? you dont like it. fine. leave it at that. but dont insult others for not agreeing with you. and while youre at it, i dont want any lettuce on my burger, and can i have a milk shake with that, please? dont spit in it, because if i find out youll get fired. and really, where is there to go but down from gettign fired from a hamburger flipping job? you nothing of a human being.
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He's as welcomed as Shit in a swimming pool. However, I am grateful for him coming on the site as Flame fodder whilst we provided the Matches,Pitchforks and Flamethrowers.A good time had by all.
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Rickey doesn't watch YouTube videos featuring lolcats and whathaveyou.
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You can thank me later.
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Bob The Orci can't pass the tutorial level, aka, Michael Bay Movie. How more of a loser can you get when you can't even pass the tutorial?
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Rickey swears, Bob Orci stole Rickey's trademark "cupcake" line from the AICN talkbacks and put in the Trek movie. Rickey is still miffed about this.
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Man, this is better then going to a match. It's almost as fun as watching a movie with the pals while shooting the shit. Bob The Orci should coem more often, i agree. More hacks should come here, matter of fact.
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so let me get this straight, im "lining up to blow him," yet you personally take offense to his refusing to "aim higher than pissing, farting and humping." homophobic attacks are also the lowest common denominator, so what does that say about you? your level of originality when it comes to trolling or insulting. do you see the quacks and misanthropes that you share company with? asimov, carlthor, and others that look like fanatics, always repeatign the same unoriginal tripe at every chance. i like star trek. so did MILLIONS of other people. some of them may be idiots, but not because they liked the movie. you are intolerant of others opinions, plain and simple, as exemplified by your uncreative insults - run of the mill stuff you can find at any 8th grade lunch table. grow the fuck up. accept that people have varying opinions. or better yet, create something, and see how the world receives it. just... create something.
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Can I look that up at work?
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Unless your company encourages on the job masturbation.
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Desist, friend.
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especially if you want to get fired.
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mind blown.
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why? because i dont agree with you? man, way to go.
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Sep 02, 2009 3:23:13 PM CDT
Boborci, Corey Feldman could be good as a romulan henchman
by ironic_name
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...any big names or is this more of an amateur indie flick? Also, did Bob Orci write the script?
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lets make this happen, Feldman in new trek!
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Let's keep the Corey love going. He's genuine good people.
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Sep 02, 2009 3:27:49 PM CDT
RICKEY - TWO INNOCENT YOUNG CO-EDS ARE STUDYING IN BED
by bringingsexyback
One wants to study. The other wants to give a massage and touch her titties. There is a playful struggle. The rest I don't wanna spoil.
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There's actually dramatic tension and some excellent acting.
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Sep 02, 2009 3:31:07 PM CDT
siralex, YES, BECAUSE THE VALUE OF A PERSON IS DETERMINED....
by carlthormark1978
By the amount of money in their bank account. I expected as much insight about the human condition from someone who praises the work of a shallow hack who creates superficial garbage.
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The disagreeing is not the issue, friend. It never was. It's the poor reasoning behind your arguments. Trust me, it hurts me more then it does you.
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Sep 02, 2009 3:38:22 PM CDT
HERE'S A VIDEO SHOWING ORCI/KURTZMAN AT WORK ON STAR TREK 2.....
by carlthormark1978
www.meatspin.com
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Sep 02, 2009 3:39:41 PM CDT
you got it bsb, the Feld man deserves to be taken seriously
by ironic_name
we laughed at mickey rourke, at danny trejo, jcvd... even eric roberts and michael ironside, but the truth is they are actually decent guys who can do good performances, micheal ironside was actually really good in Common bonds, eric roberts was cool in TDK, etc. even chuck norris did a good job in the first half of Missing in action2 the man deserves to be taken seriously.
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Has an Oscar nom for a Kurosawa idea. Good fucking movie.
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Has to be Sidekicks with suicide boy or Top Dog.
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no its not measured by the amount of money in someones bank account. youre right there. i just wonder about your drive, sitting here insulting me while you could be finding another job - maybe not one that pays more necessarily, but one that gives you more spiritual fulfillment. something you love doing. THAT to me is the little bt of insight that ive weened from your hateful, sophomoric rants. i mean, theyre not even intelligent: BLAH BLAH suck dick BLAH BLAH bestiality BLAH BLAH you suck BLAH BLAH my idea is better though im flipping burgers. talk back after talk back. oh thats right - you dont like blade runner or taxi driver. in some circles that would automatically boot you from speaking on behalf of being a movie fan. not in my circle. we're tolerant.
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im still waiting on that burger, by the way.
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CarlThorMark1978 Sep 2nd, 2009
02:33:24 PM
"Then, later on, they all get together at some watering hole for yuppie scum like themselves and high five each other over being better then Talkbackers even though they make millions of dollars and have nothing better to do then post on AICN" I always come alone. -
Sep 02, 2009 3:48:07 PM CDT
siralex, BECAUSE I LIKE MY JOB AND INSULTING YOU IS FUN.....
by carlthormark1978
You cockbreathed pussyface. Oh and it's lockbrokenleg that doesn't like Taxi Driver and Blade Runner. He also professes a dislike for The Godfather and Citizen Kane.
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poor reasoning behind my arguments? i simply stated that you do not have the authority to speak for anybody but yourself. thats all that was about. you talk in terms of "we" and "us" as if you represent some collective group of movie goers. im as much a movie geek as you. just as passionate as you. notice i DIDNT SAY MORE PASSIONATE, because i dont know you, but i love movies just as much as you do, and i took exception to you speaking for a vast group of people when you have zero authority except for your own opinion.
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Fuck those movies! Their fine and all, but they aren't fun to watch. I saw Mean Streets for the first time this week, and while I appreciate it. Its kind of a pain in the ass to watch. The constant music get on my nerves, the overt homosexual tension between The Cleaner and De Niro. The fact that De Niro is playing a closet gay in the movie, the B-movie style of fighting. The annoying way they talk (which probably when it came out wouldn't have been that way). It got better toward the end, but up till then I was like??? OK. Sure a lot of movies have stolen shit from it. Its just one of those starting point for movies. Shakespeare didn't come up with his own stories.
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AAAAAAAhahahahah thats funny. Out of context.
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thats fine that you like insulting me, but wheres my burger? i asked for it over an hour ago. i do apologize if i got the wrong person though. thats my bad. and yeah, im suuuuure you like your job. grease burns. smelling like a dead cow all day. the funny hats. i wonder what youd do if you made a nsaty hamburger and someone went off on you the way you went of on bob orci. i hope you youd jump over the counter and whoop their ass. you gstarting to catch my drift?if you want ill put it on a value menu for you, or on one of those push button registers that spell out the things your charging me for, if thatll make it easier on your little brain.
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http://tinyurl.com/v998r
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How can you love movies and support bulshit like Bob The Orci, the Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek? how can you, in all honesty, say you really love movies and be satisfied and well served with one of the most dumb, stupid and retard movie made in the last 10 years? You have a pretty askew thinking in what loving movies is.
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Everybody cool your engines!!!!!
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i assume youre portuguese from an earlier comment - you a soccer fan?
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Women aren't impressed when you tell them that you wrote Transformers or Star Trek, unless you’re at a Sci-fi convention, in which case you should get mad pussy. The problem is that all of them want to initiate a Klingon mating ritual and would accidentally rip your cock off. In Star Trek 2, Uhura should realize that her period is starting, and that she’s out of tampons, so she grabs her pet Tribble and shoves it into her chocolate pie.
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Ripping Bob Orci a new asshole for the last three months (at least) and here he comes a knocking at his door. I wonder when JAR JAR's coming by for a visit?
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You mean Football. To tell you the truth, not really. but i really like to see the national selection team play. It's the only football matchs i watch.
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that Asimovlives IS JJ -- This is our little game -- our stage play -- tell 'em JJ!
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I'm going into the subway for some more civilized behavior.
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According to the classic series, the Enteprrise saucer section could detach from the lower hull, but we never saw it. In TNG, they used it a few times.
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I have faith in you. I know you'll blow everybody's mind with Trek 2. Do it for Johnny man.
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We'll only do that if everybody here hates the idea enough
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Can't wait for the Jar Jar Abrams to show up here. It would be an honour to rip that assclown a new asshole. The fucker would eat his own glasses.
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You guys are fucking insane today....I love it.
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no, i mean soccer. soccer is an older term than football, or futebol as you call it. its a shortening of the name association, which is the name given once the split was made between rugby and soccer. so soccer is an older term than football and just as acceptable by real soccer fans around the world. but i digress.the portguese national team has been shit since eusebio, yet you admit to watching them. aside from one eurocup, in the 50s i think, you have done NOTHING on a world soccer stage. does liking them make you any less of a fan? no. im not saying star trek is gone with the wind, bro. but i am saying that i loved it. and im no less intelligent because i did. on the other hand TF2 is one of the worst movies that i have ever seen, full of the dog humping, robot testicles, peeing kind of things that carlthormark says he hates, but in fact loves so much. you watch the team although they are second tier at best. cant i enjoy a movie that you dontl ike without insulting anybodys intelligence? or worse yet, without speaking for everyone with no authority?
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Ahhh yes theres a sport.
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I'm not kidding.
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Riker and Shelby attacked the Borg Cube separately. That would be awesome to see something like that in the sequel.
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Assimov, During an intense battle with Romulans, the Borg or whomever.
Why not have the Enterprise Transform into...get this....A GIANT FUCKING ROBOT!
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Oh..sounds cool. So bob pencil me in for hating it.
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Didn't you do an episode of that TV show, ask the film makers? How'd that gig go? It was on like the Fox Movie channel.
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"If i was Jar Jar Abrams, i would kill myself
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No, football is the proper name of the sport. American call it football to distinguish it from the american game which, for reasons it's beyond compreention, you calle dit football, despiste rarely the feet is used to play it. Unlike in Football, which is really played with the feet.And yes, in my own language, it's called futebol. Good catch.
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Bob Saget's long lost gay brother?
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it was fun -- 3 film students moderated -- good questions from them
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I never pretend. That's your job, pretending you are a scriptwriter.
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"I have no beef with you--I meant no disrespect"
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Will ever go on to do anything.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:14:51 PM CDT
siralex, YOU SEE, I DON'T WORK WITH THE CUSTOMERS....
by carlthormark1978
That’s the cashier’s responsibility and I’ve never had anyone complain about the burgers I make because I’m competent at my job as opposed to Orci who would end up shitting on the grill and running around screaming with his hair on fire with his cock hanging out! Also, do you think I really care about what you think of me? I work at a job where I make enough money to live on and that is all I need as opposed to someone like you who has to constantly work to maintain a lifestyle that you need to define yourself because you have no other qualities that would interest someone apart from how much money you have. In that respect it’s no wonder you identify with Orci.
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You say it inn jest, but don't you think that Bob The Orci and his hack pals have not though of that yet? And they are taking that seriously. Never understimate the dumbness of a hack.
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To leave Heroes or he's gonna end up only able to get roles like Rick Rape and play Fergies BF in a music video. And start comic lines he never finishes.
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youre so wrong, and its a wrong in so may different ways. first, im not american. second, soccer is the older of the two terms. thats not opinion bro. thats history. again, its a shortening of the term "association." history, bro. but then again, my attempt at an analogy fell short and is completely off topic. and btw, eu fallo portugues tambem, e muitu bem. so be very careful jumping to conclusions.
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Guilhermo Del Toro is a mexican.Salma Hayek is a mexican.Alfonso Cuaron is a mexican.Alejandro González Iñárritu is a mexican.>br>Guillermo Arriaga is a mexicanAnthony Quinn was a mexican.>br>Bob The Orci is a mexican't.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:20:42 PM CDT
IN STAR TREK 2, THE ENTERPRISE CREW LOSE THEIR JOBS WHEN....
by carlthormark1978
The Federation outsources them to planet Mexico.
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this new timeline? Or did it ever happen?
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"eu fallo portugues tambem, e muitu bem"You should had writen "Eu também falo português, e muito bem."Sorry, but i'm not convinced you can speak portuguese very well. That was not even good brazilian portuguese. Colour me skeptical, friend.
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um, yeah. you care what i think about you or else you would have stopped responding a while ago. secondly, you have no idea what i do for a living. zero. so how can you presume to make such ignorant comments. you told the world that you flip burgers, so thats was easy enough to ween out your prepubescent diatribe. i, however, work 2 hours a day, also make enough money (just enough) to support myself, have literally thousands of students over the last ten years that have thanked me for the service and education that i provided while in my classroom, have a warm, supportive family, a cute girlfriend ive been with for 3 years, and very few real cares in the world. you? you have hate, grease burns, a paper hat, and a bunch of thoughts running through your head on how to justify your life to a bunch of strangers.
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As Madea!
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Eff the haters. I loved it. I thought it had a lot of good action in it. Can't wait for the Blue Ray
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high school.And Commander Pike looked more like a gym coach then a military commander. And the rest of the federation was made of anoying undisciplined spoiled brat teens.As a depiction of the military goes, SHit Trek is a joke. GI Joe was more accurate, which says a lot.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:26:49 PM CDT
"Have you ever heard of anyone impersonating a screen writer?"
by conspiracy
Uh..actually Bob, you've been doing it for a few years now.
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You like all the bad movies there is, man. The worst they are, the better for you. You are not doing Bob The Orci any particular high praising there, friend.
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Even Boborci admitted to hating Transformers 2.
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Glad u liked it!
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Abd he has failed at that. The man is as much a screen writer as he is a quantum physicist, you are the Pope and i'm Superman.
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Reminded me of ummmm military academy. Minus the whole tribual setting. The whole school wouldn't be there to watch.
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Was it hard to stop Tyler Perry from putting on the womens clothing on set?
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really? should we go back to everyone of your post where you butcher the english language? because it should have read "You should have written..." or this gem: "American call it football to distinguish it from the american game which, for reasons it's beyond compreention, you calle dit football, despiste rarely the feet is used to play it." what does that even mean?
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Are you kidding? He has bween defending that bitch of a movie sicne it was released. You think he's going to byte the hand that feeds him? He's an untalente dhack, but he's no fool when regarding studio politics. How you think he got where he is now, through talent and capability? Yeah, right!
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My favorites this year are Watchmen Directors Cut, Star Trek, TF 2, and The Soloist.
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You really need to work on your sarcasm reader. We've talked about this.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:33:36 PM CDT
Boborci, lockesbrokenleg IS YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC, A STUPID CUNT!
by carlthormark1978
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Any fool understands what that means. Don't go for low blows just because you were caught using very bad portuguese. It doesn't work. Again, i ask you, don't insult my intelligence.
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Are District 9, The Hurt Locker, The Collector, Paul Blart Mall Cop.... I mean I mean I mean shit too late already said it. Least favorite, That Prequel to Avatar, Delgo caught a screener last night with an intro from Cameron. If he thinks thats the future, he's fucking lost his mind.
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I don't doubt your intent at sarcasm, but it didn't read as that. that0s the bitch of writen sarcasm, doesnp't work the same way as said.
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See D9. Hopefully you are old enough to see rated R movies by yourself. I went with my mom, but I live with her. Its a fucking great movie. Its Robocop good. Its soo fucking good. Its fucking good.
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really? soooo... you insult my portuguese, and its okay. but i say one thing about your terrible english and its a low blow, huh? i just dont understand anymore.
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I will see it. If I miss the theater run, I usually get the DVD. Oh, and I liked the Avatar 3D preview, too. It was fantastic.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:38:43 PM CDT
Boborci IS LIKE THE STEPHEN HAWKING OF SCREENWRITERS.....
by carlthormark1978
Except with none of the brilliance and all of the drooling.
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3 of the movies you mentioned above are horrible pieces of shit. I rest my case. That's not all kinds of movies, that's ONE KIND.
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What a waste.
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See District 9 in theaters. Your gonna kick yourself if you don't.
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I love it when people try to pass off their opinions as fact
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that was hysterical
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Sep 02, 2009 4:43:56 PM CDT
As I said before...I'm sure you're a nice guy Bob..But Fuuuuck!
by conspiracy
At least make it seem like you gave a fuck about more than the payday. I mean...come on guy, what was up with all they convenient,happy circumstances on ST? Why make Scotty a fucking Joke? You did right by "Bones"...but most of that movie was just lazy fucking writing saved by good actors and flashy graphics. Also, I know Bay is a coked up tyrant, and you were probably just laying low to keep from getting your ass kicked and hoping he'd knock down some of his seconds...but Dude, a robot humping a girls leg? Shucking an jiving Ghetto bots? Fuck Bob...just Fuck Look...I have busted your chops since I saw TF1...but I gotta believe somewhere down in that black hole you call your creative soul..there is a shred of talent and honest love of your craft..isn't there? Tell ya what...make me a good movie...something I have to admit had a good screenplay...and I'll bury the hatchet and spring for some Zankou as a peace offering...what ya say?
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Well, you stated that your beloved 3 shit movies are good movies. How that's work for you now, friend?I already wrote thousands of words about why those mvoies are shit. Too bad you weren't there. Not going to repeat all that just because your ego got stung.
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Nice zinger at the Orci..
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I said I enjoyed them. That's a big difference. I don't post in every thread about why I think a movie sucks. If a movie I think sucks, I refuse to ever talk about it, or see it again.
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'I went with my mom, but I live with her.'Priceless!District 9 is phenomenal though!
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You nkow why Bob The Orci and his pal got Bones right? Because half of Bones' dialogues in the movie is taken verbatim from TOS, and the other half of his dialogue paraphrasing by other words already existing dialogues spoekn by Bones in the TOS. That's a very fucking easy way to get Bones right.
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Good for you, i guess.
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Wow! I can retire happy now!
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the tutorial level of "Oscar Winning Screenwriter".
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Either gynecology or proctology since you must have plenty of experience given that your family is probably filled with cunts and assholes like yourself. Oh and of course you have money, cars, women BLAH BLAH BLAH. I don’t believe any of your bullshit for one second. Odds are that, given your support of Orci, you must be a jizz moper at your local pornshop. Either that or you’re a manwhore who takes it in the ass face down in a garbage can.
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Again you prove that you really are the clueless hack younreally are. Since when i admited you did soemthign right? I did a very harsh fucking insult to you and your hack pal The Klutzman. It was intended as a unsult. It takes a clueless untalented hack to mistaker that as something other then a very bashful instult.I called you A THIEF, you fucking hack! A FUCKING THIEF. Got it now, chief?Fuck's sakes, man! Unbelievable!
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You remembered that space was black.
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his/her delusions are actually a little more inventive, and fun to read, than Bobs ST script.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:56:13 PM CDT
Bob, can you give AsimovLives a cameo in the nest movie?
by lockesbrokenleg
So we can all boo him when he comes on screen?
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and learn, once and for all, how a SF movie looks like. How a good SF movie looks like. Though i suspect you will not understand why.
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What makes you think i would want to be associated with those assholes?
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"You remembered that space was black." Our NASA consultants filled us in on that one.
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Black is not even a real colour. Fuck's sake, small wonder this shits are the guys responsible for shits like The Island, Tranformers, Shit Trek, Armageddon, etc, etc. What a bunch of morons! What pearl of scientific bullshit hey will come up next?
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not that you owe us, especially me, anything as we generally do not like most of your work. But if you have any shred of "MAN" in you...you MUST write a part for Rachel Nichols character in the next Trek. More Green Bitches Bob.
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Asimovlives thinks you are a fool for saying black is a color. I wouldn't take that if I were you.
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Plus, it's really dull. It makes Stargate look good.
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you fucking moron.
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The displeasure was all mine.
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Sep 02, 2009 5:09:16 PM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, we already know you don't like good movies
by asimovlives
You can rest now.
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He was talking about the Kobayashi Maru and, in New Trek, he’s eating an apple during the actual test. That’s the type of shit that fucking drives me nuts because it just shows what a lazy motherfucker you are. It’s a perfect example of how everything in the fucking movie is a reference to something else that has already been done and just goes to show that all you did was take 43 year long history of Trek and cherry pick almost the entire plot and then filled in the gaps with every fucking cliché that you could. I wouldn’t be fucking surprised if you and Kurtzman were planning on having both Khan and the Borg in the next one because you sure as fuck bring nothing original to the proceedings.
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You're missing Stargate.
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I got the tickets and receipts for that night to prove it. I'm hoping I can write them off as a business expense on next year taxes.
Question, If I mail you copies of my receipts you think I could get that 5 hours of my life back?
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I should mistake Stargate for a good movie, is that what you are saying?
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I should mistake Stargate for a good movie, is that what you are saying?
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Sep 02, 2009 5:16:08 PM CDT
Boborci, SOME ADVICE, ADAPT STAR TREK PRIME DIRECTIVE BY…..
by carlthormark1978
Judith & Gar Reeves-Stevens because that’s a damn fine book and it would make a QUALITY Star Trek sequel. I doubt that even you and Kurtzman could fuck it up.
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way to show you dont care! by making fun of my family. keep flipping burgers you underachieving nothing of a human being. and you can guess all you want about what i teach. that doesnt make it correct, nor does it make you any less of a loser. and learn to read, moron. i never said anything about cars. thats you assuming again, assuming that you know something as intimately as you know flame broiled whoppers and restocking toilet paper in the bathroom.
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Aparently, bob and his hack pals ideas for the next Shit Trek is to mix Khan, Klingons and Harry Mudd. I almost wish that shit is made, so i can laught at it.
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is 1978 the year you were born? a 31 year old bruger flipper? momma and poppa must be proud!!!!!!!!!
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What's wrong? Are you ashamed of what you teach? I told you that I flip burgers so you must teach a really fucking shit subject if you won’t tell us. Of course, now that I’ve called you on it, you’ll probably say that you’re a Professor at a medical school or some such other bullshit to make yourself feel superior to the lowly burger flipper. So don’t bother lying because I’ll just assume that you probably teach a bird course at a community college like basket weaving or water color painting. Or maybe you work with the mentally handicapped so that you can feel intellectually superior to them and even then they’re probably smart enough to realize how shit a writer Orci is.
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Sep 02, 2009 5:32:33 PM CDT
This is a Bob Orci Wannabe convention (no sarcasm intended, at a
by strosmer
Okay, who's got a script ready for us all to read? Hm? (crickets chirping) Hm. No one has a script they want to share? Oh wait, you sir, in the back, what's that you say? No one here actually writes scripts? You just complain about them to no end? Okay.Reminds me of something George Lucas once said: "I made seven movies in film school while everybody else was complaining that they couldn't make movies because they didn't have cameras, that they didn't have film. Well, those people are still stuck. They didn't realize that all you have to do is just do it."Thank you all for attending the convention. Thanks to our guest of honor, Mr. Orci. He may not write anything you like, but he does write, which if I'm not mistaken is a big reason he gets hired in the first place. Just keep that in mind going into next year's convention, provided you don't throw yourself out a window before that time.
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Sep 02, 2009 5:35:33 PM CDT
[michael jackson] black is a color... I'm colored, the kid is my
by ironic_name
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Sep 02, 2009 5:37:56 PM CDT
Boborci, AsimovLives AND I KNOW WHAT SPACE IS, WHERE AS.......
by carlthormark1978
You can't even decide if a black hole is a time vortex or an intergalactic trash compactor. You don’t even know what robots are which is why you have them humping legs and farting in Transformers.
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Be wary of a job where your Boss is fucking younger than you.
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it must be great to have no real problems like debt or responsibility so you can complain on a website.
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I suspect all that Bob The Orci knows is what color is money and what color is cocaine, and fuck all about the rest.
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Muchos respect. My evening has just been considerably cheered up by reading these posts.
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Can you imagine the fun?
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Better written then the new Star Trek!!!
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you know. i could easily tell you what i teach. but then again, any response that i give you would reult in you insulting me, you fat fuck. if you anything about college you know that most professor do not teach one single class. i know your 8th grade education cannot fathom that concept, but i have taught a range of classes over the last 8 years. and you idiot, if i wanted to make myself feel better, wouldnt i saay i was a doctor, instead of a professor who teaches medicine. even your meager attempts at insults lack the desire to achieve more than your fat fuck body allows. fatty. youre fat. lose some weight. i wonder what your triglyceride count is, you total waste of humanity. i teach in the department of spanish, you ignorant hillbilly. i have taught everything from basic spanish courses to various classes dealing with latin american cultural studies. go ahead - make some small minded racist remark, you nothing. it still wont make your miserable life any better.
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It's only a movie. Even if it is a really bad one.
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You critique movies like blade runner,say how much anime sucks and even mentioned how boring that new batman game looks.Yet when someone attacks your precious Transformers 2, it's eff the haters.Sorry dude, but you can't have it both waysit's fair Game yanno.Don't be a hypocrite.
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Everyone under 20 loves it, but try and find people over 20 that like it. It's very, very few.
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Welcome back, we hope you'll survive the experience.
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and i happen tot each at the 2nd largest public institution in the country moron - the kind of place that laughs off applications like yours. and yeah, go ahead with your "universitys are bullshit, they dont teach anything, theyre for conformists, blah blah" bullshit to overcompensate for your inability to get into one. its okay, sweetie. when you wake up tomorrow, therell be a lump of ground beef waiting for you. when i wake up tomorrow, i wont have to do shit, and im still getting an income, you nothing. we get paid during the summers.
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Kudos to Creepythinman (who is on a fucking roll tonite, btw) for making siralex lose his orci-sex-fantasy-filled-mind. siralex just got done berating us all for our "8th grade insults" and then, irony of ironies, lets loose an oh so intellectually lame barrage of 'fat, fatfuck, fatty' would-be insults (which I'm sure is totally endearing him to the less than svelte owner/mods on this site). Pot meet kettle siralex. Now go take your meds before your Mommy puts tucks you in. Nitey nite! P.S. you just got OWNED by a burgerflipper, LOL.
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I swear this thread is getting better by the minute.
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wow. thing is. if the roles were reversed, and i was insultng bob orci and he was defending him, youd be on my side. thats the fucked thing about all of this. its not that hes on a roll, nor that he owned me. its that youre on his side. and you are the first one to insult these "less than skinny" mods/site owners. ive been reading it for years from you and others. my point is that so few of you can say "holy shit, he likes a movie i dont. but thats okay." thats tolerance, man. and regardless of what you say or how you attack me, its the truth. you are intolerant of others. its really that simple. and i do feel like a moron for attacking you and carl for appealing to the lowest common denominator then turning around and going off on a fat rant. then again, he insulted my family, man. and it frustrates me becuase i know he wouldnt do that to my, or anybody elses face. its the protective barrier of the internet. ill stop becuase ive made an utter fool of myself.
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AsimovLives still saw Star Trek. Bob Orci is still at home rolling in piles of cash. And TF 2 is this years biggest moneymaker so far.
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I only work as a burger flipper because I can’t do anything else due to the fact that my Mother was an alcoholic drug addict and I was born a fucking flipper baby!!! I can’t even type with these things you cocksucker. In order to hit the keys I have a pencil stuck up my nose. I wanted to work but the only place that would hire me is a McDonald’s and that’s only for bullshit PR purposes. Every day at work I have to have a spatula taped to my flipper just so I can turn over the patties you heartless bastard. They won’t even let me do anything else because my flippers don’t have the dexterity of normal human hands. All the other workers snicker behind my back, call me “Flipper”, while I can’t even buy a whore because they’re disgusted with my stubby appendages. One time I got a blind hooker and, when I came, my flippers flapped around so hard that I ended up repeatedly smacking her in the face. Now she won’t have sex with me anymore for any amount of money. Now I sit at home and cry every night. I hope that you’re happy now that you know my secret. Does it make you feel like a man?
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Good Times!
Any time you meet a payment.
Good Times!
Any time you need a friend.
Good Times!
Any time you're out from under.
Not getting hassled, not getting hussled.
Keepin' your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.
Temporary lay offs.
Good Times!
Easy credit rip offs.
Good Times!
Scratchin' and surviving.
Good Times!
Hangin in a chow line
Good Times!
Ain't we lucky we got 'em
Good Times! I-I-I-I-I-I-IMESSSSSS! YEAH! -
Why did JJ do that weird dolly-in at a dutch-angle in the shot where Spock is confronting the Vulcan board? Most unneccessary camera move of the movie?
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And your support for TF2 proves my point.Don't be hurt cause I called you out for the hypocrite that you are. Oh, if I'm such a snob, I wouldn't have even thought GIJoe was mildly entertaining.(That and i too liked watchmen and your point being...?)More than I can say for anything that Orci has written.And as for your $400.00 Ledger autograph, well in case you run out of toilet paper.... ;0)
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Did Zoe Saldana tell you any cool Jim Cameron stories?
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But first he has to sleep. Night all.
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What's your point anyway?
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Sep 02, 2009 6:53:59 PM CDT
siralex, SUCH HIGH MINDED WORDS FROM AN EDUCATOR.....
by carlthormark1978
“and i happen tot each at the 2nd largest public institution in the country moron”, Why aren’t you at the number one institution then you fucking failure? I flip burgers but I do it for motherfucking McDonalds which has served 99 BILLION fucking people. How many people has your institution served beyotch? 2nd place means that you’d be a burger jockey at fucking Burger King with all the other fucking retards who couldn’t get into McDonalds. I may be a burger boy but I’m the best at what I do, working for the most successful company in the fast food business. I also train people in the Dark Arts and, when they get sent to other stores, the managers call me to compliment my teaching skills. At Burger King, you wouldn’t be able to teach the staff to not shit on the floor.
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Sep 02, 2009 6:55:53 PM CDT
siralex, HOW DO YOU SAY "GREENCARD FOR BLOWJOB" IN SPANISH?
by carlthormark1978
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yeah, thats pretty fucking funny, actually. id give you a high five if your flipper could reach that high. :)
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I've NEVER insulted Harry or any other mod on this site for their weight. Ever.
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"Blade Runner sucks, Anime sucks" Oh yeah, stories that are too complex or visceral for that fragile lil' mind of yours (meaning your comprehension or lack there of)are either boring or suck.Yeah, it's no wonder why you are the ass-end of jokes on these boards.You simple, simple boy.
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Blade Runner is cool, you're in, but if you like movies everyone likes, you're automatically labeled.
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Sep 02, 2009 7:01:52 PM CDT
WELL, I CALL HARRY A FAT COCKSUCKER AT EVERY OPPERTUNITY!!!
by carlthormark1978
I prefer the low road.
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It just fucking made no sense.
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I'm goin' to bed. Bon soir mes amis. Orci, don't worry, you can always get an eight ball and a couple of hookers to make yourself feel better, hey, that's how I hear your buddies Bay and Murphy deal with their talent deficiencies, lol. Sweet dreams, all.
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Oh, and siralex, my professors only taught what they had a PH.D in, Period. I'm not sure you'd want to take Abnormal Psychology from a guy with a Doctorate in Economics. Wait, around here that might be a new field of science! I wonder what the marginal value of delusional schizophrenia is to the typical talk backer?
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"Blade Runner is cool, you're in, but if you like movies everyone likes, you're automatically labeled." No, it doesn't work that way.Everyone liked Star Wars,Batman,Spiderman,X-Men,etc. so who's labeled?Blade Runner is not even on my top 5 Sci Fi films, however it's a good film with a sensical story that blends elements of Noir and Fantasy not to mention that it paved the way for the Cyberpunk genre which many movies,tv series and videgames have been influenced by.If you like TF2, good on you, but to attack everyone else's tastes while upholding your own is not a good look.
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It may be a film nor rip off, but does that have to mean it has to be a boring ass movie?
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nice try. my phd is in latin american cultural studies, so im allowe to teach any number of classes within that field - from basic spanish to latin american cinema, to classes on testimonio, even cross departmental classes that can overlap as far as credits from different departments. but i doubt any of that matters to you. you just want to find the next little thing to pick at, so go ahead. i could have said anything just now and it wouldnt have mattered. i was just asked how to say "blowjob for a green card" so regardless of what you bring up, you wont beat carlthormark1978... and that all you really care about, right? having some stranger think your witty?
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Sep 02, 2009 7:46:51 PM CDT
As long as the cowboys get to kill aliens and Indians at the sam
by dioxholsterreturns
then it will be awesome.
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Sep 02, 2009 7:51:40 PM CDT
AsimovLives is symptomatic of everything wrong with humanity
by tall_boy66
You are a cancerous plauge of condescension that cannot even grasp basic human concepts that go into communication of ideas, thought, or anything that goes into how one is supposed to exchange ideas. All you are convinced is that one way is right and, to inflate your own low sense of self-esteem, you decry anyone and everyone who has a difference of opinion as idiotic. It may make you feel better, but it certainly doesn't help anyone turn around to your perspective. And your bits about oh-so-wittily changing the words "JJ" to "JarJar" and "Star" to "Shit" are pedantic, predictable, and wearying to see repeated in every single topic. It's not funny or witty or insightful to anyone or anything that draws air on planet Earth. And you keep doing it over and over and you're idiotic dipshit routie was old 4 months ago, yet you do it multiple times every single day, DESPERATELY PRAYING to the heavens above that SOMEBODY OUT THERE will agree with you! Desperately, hopelessly, and never ever getting the result in your sad little pathetic mind that you think you're going to get. Congratulations, you are singlehandedly bringing down the entire evolution of humanity. You. Fucking. Jackass.
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Mark my words. Always ends up that way.
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even the bad ones
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Sep 02, 2009 8:21:13 PM CDT
Aliens is a racial slur... it's Native Green Fuckers
by disney_retcond_my_std
respect that.
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and his flippers....
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My asshole puckers with anticipation.
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no words,now. just emotions.
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Amirite? Always.
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Look sharp people!!!
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Sep 02, 2009 8:36:48 PM CDT
siralex, MY ANUS IS ALREADY BUTTERED! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT L
by carlthormark1978
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Just last week, Rick Bayless won Top Chef Masters. He was a sociologist focused on Latin America. While in Mexico studying the culture, he discovered the richness of Mexican cuisine. In one of the quickfire challenges he made a burger. See how God works in mysterious ways? He delivered me to make peace between you. To everyone's chagrin, of course, but nonetheless.
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tell you how to say "blow job for a green card?"
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Feels like a million.
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Just come right in!!!
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Sep 02, 2009 9:00:17 PM CDT
GOODNIGHT EVERYONE, A FINE DAY OF TROLLING IT'S BEEN!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Sep 02, 2009 9:12:09 PM CDT
I'm a little late to the party, but how's the hangover Bob?
by the dark shite
I mean the one you must have after writing for hours whilst shitfaced:-).
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How is that possible when he considers it to be his most personal film?You're such a clueless liar, lockes. Your stupidity truly astounds.
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He's probably gone back to writing Slinky: The motion picture by now.
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He didn't go back so many times to fix it 'cause he hated it, he did it because he loved it with a passion. Hated MAKING it, apparently, but loves the movie.
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Mmmmmm
Just lookin' out of the window.
Watchin' the asphalt grow.
Thinkin' how it all looks hand-me-down.
Good Times, yeah, yeah Good Times
Keepin' your head above water
Makin' a wave when you can
Temporary lay offs. - Good Times.
VOICE-OVER spoken by John Amos:
"Good Times was recorded in front of a live studio audience"
Easy credit rip offs. - Good Times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em - Good Times.
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Sep 02, 2009 10:15:26 PM CDT
SIRALEX, HAVE YOU EVER SPANKED A STUDENT'S BARE BOTTOM?
by bringingsexyback
Did you like Lesbian Homework Session? That's why our nation's educational system is in bad shape. Instead of studying, students are licking each other's asses!!!!!
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Do you ever think before you type?
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This place, love it or hate it, is a pretty fucking unique venue. I embrace the new TREK but I do dig people losing their shit on Bob just for the sheer spectacle of it all. Bob, you're a quality guy, seriously. Come back again soon, this shit is too funny to stop.
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Please send payment to the following email address
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It's amazing that the haters will say things like "It's a brainless movie" or "It's for morons," yet will ask questions that require explaining and breaking things down to them that they could have figured out simply by THINKING.
For instance, one common one is "Where was Earth's defense system when Nero arrived?" Yet, they seem to have completely missed where Nero hammered out Starfleet's Defense codes out of Captain Pike right before then.
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Because Sulu didn't pilot the ship out fast enough, the Enterprise survived.
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He's the master jedi of burger flipping. And one damn good movie geek, the kind that doesn't eat up blockbuster bullshit. The best kind.
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It's the other way around. It's too easy for the movie's detractors to find problems with that fuckign mvie because, franjkly, the movie does the job for us. It's the movie's groupies that cannot find any logical and coherent defense for that fucking shit, and have always to came up with tired meaningless repetitive phrases and repetition of Paramounts' advertizement to defend their beloved shit.
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Irony is such a foreign alien concept to some people, truly! Unbelievable. Is this what the groupies of shit comes come up to justify themselves and nag on their beloved shit movie's oponents? That we are condescending? Fucking pathetic! Unbelievable!
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Mr. Orci, Come out to plaaayyyyyyeee...
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There's no good movie you like. We got it months ago, you don't need to keep on proving it. It's taken for granted by now.
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As much as he's a shit writer, I'll give Orci props for going where few Celebs(?) entered, and no one leaves.....ALIVE!!
Now all we need here is:1.Paul Without Substance Anderson2.Kevin Smith (scratch that, he previously had went into the forums only to have his ass handed to him by a Tber.)3.Roland Emmerich4.Michael Bay (Of course)5. Stevie Spielberg (Just to ask WTF was he thinking when putting out disasterpieces like Indy IV and TF2.)6.Brett Ratner (Is he still relevant?)7. I would personally pick Uwe Boll for bastardizing IPs like HoTD,Farcry and Bloodrayne but he'll get his feelings hurt, then challenge me to a Boxing Match, however I doubt that I would get my ass handed to me like AICN's MiraJeff. (Ya should have ducked, instead of weave Mira XD. ) -
While he's a miserably untalent hack, the man seems to exist in his own little universe. He's fucking up video games, and that's it. No other major franchises, just some video games, alf of them not terribly relevant to other places then USA. He's small potatoes, he's inconsequential, he's nigh on a nobody.Jar Jar Abrams, Michael Bay, McG, Brett ratner and guys like them, they are huge, and deserve to be treated deservedly to their influence and importance, as in, bashed without prejudice.
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the Extremists from "Team America" have in common?...
"Hack Hack Hack Hack Hack".
Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience. I'm here all week. Enjoy your chicken. -
Hack Wars 1: The Hack MenaceHack Wars 2: The Attack Of The Hack CloneHack Wars 3: The Revenge Of The ShitHack Wars 4: A New Hack DoomHack Wars 5: The Hack Strikes BackHack Wars 6: The Return Of The Hack.
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I mean, he must have had some talent & a burning desire to write & been good enough to be picked up as a writer in the first place. Surely?
So, at which point did the talent & the aspirations end & the cash cow shit begin?
Or maybe he always wrote Cash cow shit & got picked up for that? Is that it? I mean, I've got an idea right now that needs to be massively improved upon, but as it stands, it could work as a series of big events with cliched monosyllabic sentences.
So the idea is, I just send that unfinished shit to Bay or Bruckheimer & get a job? Fuck me with a stick.
If that's it & he has no aspirations to ever branch out & wrote something clever or, dare I say it, attempt his masterpiece, then what's the point in doing that job?
Based on our little conversation last night, it'll all end in tears. One day I'll be walking down the street & overhear a conversation like...
"Did you hear about that Bob Orci guy dying?"
"Yeah, apparently he chopped his own hand off to see what it felt like & he couldn't put it back on again." -
Boll was my personal choice as I am somewhat of a hardcore gamer.And just like some Comics, there are fascinating concepts within VGs that would warrant a film adaptation.That and I couldn't resist mentioning that silly exhibition Boxing Match against Boll's Critics.Funny shit.How I left out McG, and the highly overrated Jar Jar Abrams is beyond me.Glad you added them to the to the pot, makes for a good stew.There's no point debating with Lockes especially since he can't defend his stance on TF2,if he thinks BR sucks, fine but atleast make a decent attempt when conveying your opinions.Ah, he's far too gone.Then again, I'm just a snobdouche. ;)Unfucking beliveable.
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your pure hatred towards star trek and orci is pretty scary... seriously, arent' there other world issues to occupy your attention rather than some movie?? its just a piece of entertainment, nothing more... calm down. theres been much worse movies made in the past few years than the fun, silly action movie that star trek is. don't overthink the movie. honestly i can't believe orci took your shit, who are you (or any of these other misfit tbers) to be such a rude cunt? oh yeah, a hate filled talkbacker nobody. i have no idea what would have moved orci to venture into these sordid depths and converse with you bottom feeders... what a complete fool. aicn talkbackers dont mean shit, they dont create genuine hype that translates into box office success, they're a drop in an ocean... meaningless
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how do we even know that this 'boborci' is really him?? has harry verified him or something or is everyone just going off his handle and assuming its him?
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I don't know who AsimovLives is "to be such a rude cunt", as you put it. But I'll tell you who I am. A Rude cunt.
When Star Trek 2 turns out to have a great, intelligent plot, with characters who have depth & a strong villain, then you'll realise we're helping him. He's probably here looking on a story about him because he wants feedback. He's getting feedback.
We're staging an intervention. -
Your average Moviegoer would point out aestethics like "ooww the special effects was awesome dude!!" or ".. the fight scenes was off da hook, yo!" without disecting the plot/story arc or if the story itself has merit for one to further support a film.GIjoe was shit, however it was entertaining shit as it was intended to sell toys and various merchandise thus further ignoring the comic mythos.TF2 insulted me on all fronts, throw away the stereotypical Ghetto bots and there's still a muddled mess.McG is another Hack, but but there was something likeable about T4 Salvation,not the whizbang FX or battle scenes, but the story itself which involed Marcus.The story could have been tweaked a bit and a PG-13 rating is more of a business motive as oppossed to taking artistic liberties.Salvation should have been renamed Redemption.I have yet to see D9, but I know I won't leave disapointed as Neil has plenty of potentual (That HALO short film on XBox live proved it should have been more lengthly since it was that impressive.)All in all, this was one of the worst Summers when it came to quality IP related films.There's Flash, but very little substance.
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You are no different for calling TBers rude cunts,misfits and fools. "who's more of a fool, a fool or a fool who follows him"?I'm sure "Beaner Bob" looks to you and Lockes as true representatives of the faith.Stop drinking the Kool Aid son, it's bad for ya.
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"watever duds, im ritsh! and i sleep with bootifil modils and driv a lam... lambor... a red fast masheen! bom!"
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"We're staging an intervention."
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"I don't know who AsimovLives is "to be such a rude cunt", as you put it. But I'll tell you who I am. A Rude cunt." hah... touche
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So, what was the point of your boring and derivative post?
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How goes the good fight?
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Not too exciting, to tell you the truth. The adversaries are lame.
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Some of you people are board certified pants-shittingly insane. But delightfully so.
So let Rickey get this straight... Bob Oci, the dude who wrote for "Hercules: The Legendary Journeys" has failed to script a Star Trek movie that rivals "The Seventh Seal." Wow. Rickey is flabbergasted. -
I hear ya.
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You think bob The Orci cames here for input? He comes here to have his ego stroked, which, with the exception of the people who would like anything, he is not getting. Hell, even most of the people who liked Jar Jar Abram's Shit Trek are quite critical of the script.Bob The Orci and his hack pals (that includes Jar Jar Abrams) they are incapable of writing a decent script, much less a good one. and they are incapable of better themselves or their work. for them, making it better is to have even bigger CGI and bigger explosions, and more shaky-cam, more lens flares and the characters acting even more like anoying teen emo bitches. They can understand more, but they can't understand better.
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Flabbergasted is truly the right word.
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Rickey liked this new iteration of "Trek." Abrams & Co. did what needed to be done: they made a hip and fun Star Trek movie. When will you wayward fucks get it through your heads that your fanboy bitching had been draining the fun from the franchise for years? Yes, Rickey knows, you're all hardcore and whatnot, but if moments in Trek didn't make you smile just a little bit then you're pretty much dead on the inside. Rickey's condolences.
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Sep 03, 2009 7:12:49 AM CDT
Wouldn't it be funny if Favreau and Downey Jr checked this talkb
by asimovlives
... and then they realsied that people are talking about everything but them and the movie? They would be like:"What the fuck is happening? Nobody is talking about us, they are all talking about Bob! Jesus, did you see what they say about Bob? I never knew he was so despised by the very people who liked our Iron Man movie. Maybe we really made a huge mistake hiring him. I think we need to rethink this."
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How you liked the new Terek? You found the retarded incompetent stupidity in it so amusing and laughable you took the movie as comedy? If that is so, it's ttoally understandable. I wish i could had taken the movie in that spirit. I didn't for the first movie, but i'll for then second. The second will be a barrel of laughts!
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the ending credits, which meant the torture was over.
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That's the way to make the movies new and trendy and modern: SHAMELESS PRODUCT PLACEMENT. Hell yeah, sell your ass to corporations! It's the new trendy modern Trek future!
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But overall, it was a very good story with which to reboot Trek.
Other than some of CTM1978's ideas, I don't think a much better story could've been written. And the dialogue wasn't that bad, quite good in fact. I didn't think very highly of Bob before but he stepped up this time.
He inserted a few dramatic elements that worked very well, like George Kirk's sacrifice and Spock's mother perishing before his eyes. These are powerful motivators for our lead characters, that much he understood - and well.
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are u dim witted or something?? u couldn't understand the point of my post?... umm, i dont really know how to make it any simpler so i'll just move on. just a few comments on this talkback, i noticed that you didn't respond to siralex's post about u liking the portugese soccer team even though they're not good, doesn't mean you're any less of a fan... that notion has some merit in regards to its similarity to a person being a fan of a movie thats not very good doesn't mean they're less intelligent or any less of a movie fan... different strokes for different folks. u ignored that part. why can't u see that people who like star trek are just as entitled to their opinion as you are. there is no right or wrong. can't you see that? and also it was pretty funny when you called it a low blow when he criticized your english... even though just before you had happily criticized his portugese... fuck you're a hypocrite
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Unless your point is "i'm a bitch for the hacks", i fail to see the point of your posts. And you do not know the meaning of the word hypocrite, so stop using it, it's not impressing me.
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Rickey saw it twice in the theaters. Was it as good the second time around? No, but still damned good fun. Now Rickey will freely admit that he's not a Star Trek expert, but it seems that the movie nailed down the spirit of Trek: a bunch of cocky motherfuckers venturing out into the unknown. The movie had a good rollicking score, great fx, and a great mix of funny and intense moments. And the kid playing Kirk was terrific. If you take the movie within the context of what it set out to accomplish, then it works, 100%. It was simple yet satisfying. Rickey's sorry if you were expecting more.
But hey, you're more than welcome to continue to rant against Orci. Rickey's pretty sure that folks like you at AICN are actually his muse. -
You can't reason with insult robots. Lord knows I've tried.
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It was a rather compelling little piece. There was conflict, tension, and some decent drama. Ultimately Rickey walked away feeling enlightened and fulfilled. And tickling. Still it could've benefited from a little bit more star power. Stoya or Lela Star would've greatly helped to bolster the film's credibility.
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Let's be honest here.
It's not that you can't see the point of Mynemaborat's post, but it's that you don't want to.
His point is obvious, lucid and plain enough. You just enjoy bashing the hell out of Trek - which is okay as you're posting on a forum based in a free country (again, I don't know anything about Portugal - you could be commies for all I know), but just admit you're being hyper hypocritical in doing so. -
ahahaha... yet again you ignore the post. the point is very very clear... read my last post again. read it twice, three times if you have to. whatever you have to do to absorb the point. its funny how u just blatantly ignore points you don't know how to respond to and then try and turn it back on the original poster by saying that they're postings are 'meaningless and derivative'... just pucker up little fella and accept that just because you hated star trek doesn't necessarily mean its a bad movie, or that people who liked it are any less intelligent or not true movie fans etc. different people have different criteria for how they judge a good or bad movie, there is no definitive answer, there's popular opinion, but thats not the same thing. oh and also, i think you obvioulsy dont know what the meaning of the word hypocrit is seeing as i gave a perfect example of the word when i refered to you calling it a low blow when siralex criticized your english, even though you had just criticized his portugese. and why would i think the word 'hypocrit' would impress anyone?? is that a big word for you or something? shit man, theres just no reasoning with you... ur like a sulking child, unable to see past your own limited point of view
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I think the casting of unknowns enhanced the dramatic tension for me. I was convinced the girl did not want her boobs and butt massaged.
Her inner conflict and guilt about enjoying it made the story unpredictable. Would she give in? Will she fight her friend's face off her vagina? It was compelling.
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just do me one favour... admit you were being hypocritical about the siralex speaking portugese thing... just admit it. its not hard, it won't hurt you, i just want to see if you can bring yourself to do it
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what movie are you talking about?? lela star is fucking hot, even more so before her boob job as well
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Go to youporn.com and look up "Lesbian Homework Session". Can't post direct links here.
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it was Harry who turned me on to Youporn. LOL
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Fascinating. Does he have one of those Portuguese waterdogs that live on boats and have the curly hair and weird shaped paws designed for swimming? Those things are awesome. Obama's got one.
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hahaha i first heard of it in one of harry's post as well! opened up a whole new world of tube sites back then
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I bet you guys stink of seminal fluid.
Honestly, I go away for a little while & everyone starts talking about their favourite porn sites.
The best part is the way Rickey Henderson continued to talk in the 3rd person:-)!
Rickey checked out that movie. Rickey had a massive wank & needed both penile AND facial reconstruction afterards."
Little internet moments like these are the reason the term OMFG was invented:-).
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You do not need to know much about Star Trek to know that the Jar Jar Abrams' movie is terible as Star Trek, but also as a movie. I don't bide to that notion of dumb fun. For me, a movie is either fun or dumb, not both. The smarter a movie is, the most fun it gets.
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What the fuck, dude? You are trying to tell me, a portuguese, how to speak my own language? What do you know of my language, man? Let me tell you this, what siralex wrote is TERRIBLE portuguese. It's portuguese as wroiten by people who presume that portuguese is just an off-shot of spanish, when in fact it is it's own language. It was not even bad brazilian version of portuguese, it's bad bad portuguese. Either he used a very bad online translator, or he thinks he knows portuguese and really learned it but forgot about it and made a terrible spectacle at it. and him claiming he knows portuguese very wlel is beyond laughable. He should had been more modest and say i know a little portuguese and please forgive my mistakes.His portuguese as as good as my german, which is not very good at all.I can't fucking believe this shit, Jar Jar Abrams' groupies teaching me how i should speak my language.
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I assume you mean the 'more' fun it gets. Could you please give an example of a smart movie. Please don't say The Dark Knight because that would make you an idiot
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By the way, those dogs are called the Portuguese Water Dog (Cão de Água Português). They are very popular here, a friend of mine has one. Some variants are no bigger then Poddles, others can group up as big as a German Shepard.
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The Dark kmight is a msart movie. It's being idiot not know it.Smart movies? Try Master & Commander, Blade Runner, The Thing, Conan The Barbarian, Citizen Kane, M, The Treasure Of Sierra Madre, The Matrix, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Seven, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Memento, The Prestige, Jaws, Empire Of The Sun, The Last Emperor, THX 1138.... fuck, the long would go on and on. Basically, i would had to name EVERY GOOD MOVIE THERE IS. There's still quite some many of those, thankfully.
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I repeat: The Dark Knight is a very smart movie. Not knowing that is idiotic.
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I would add Braveheart,Alien(s) and T2 to that list.
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Don't be silly. i reason with anybody who can be reasoned with. And i did that with you MANY TIMES. We are even cordial to each other. Beside,s there's people who enjoyed Jar Jar Abrams's Shit trek which i have very friendly and cordial relationships in here, namely Bix Bag Demon and southafricanguy, to name a few. In fact, the point is not evne that they disagree with me, but that they are people, smart people i can talk to. They do differ from the usual Jar Jar Abrams groupies in that they do seem like human beings when they talk, instead of the xerox machines the groupies are who just repeated and regurgitate the same stuff posted by Paramount Pictures' advertizement department, as if they are mindless drones. It's sad this people would call themselves movie geeks.
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hunt for red october& Patriot games.Oh, and there's crimson Tide,enemy of the State but not Con Air or any of Bay's films.Especially Bayformers.
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Rickey never said that "Trek" was dumb fun. Rickey would contend that it was an overall enjoyable flick. Sure there were plot holes, but it wasn't a dumb movie. "Transformers 2" is a mindbogglingly dumb movie. That we can all agree upon.
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but not of all of them are smart movies. Jaws is a smart movie as in it takes multiple viewings to appreciate it? Don't intellectualize your taste please. And yes, The Dark Knight is another example of that: good entertainment but nothing more. It really didn’t give me any intellectual kick but I still (moderately) enjoyed it.
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Sep 03, 2009 9:43:20 AM CDT
You're nuts for leaving out Clear and Present Danger
by rickey henderson
That is a seriously terrific movie. "Gray! The world is gray, Stalkeye!"
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fuck are u as dumb as i feared?? i was not telling you how to speak your language at all... where the heck did u get that from? "You are trying to tell me, a portuguese, how to speak my own language?" please quote me so i know how u got that impression... i wasn't commenting on your portugese at all, I WAS COMMENTING ON HOW YOU CRITICIZED SIRALEX FOR BAD PORTUGESE, BUT WHEN HE CRITICISED YOUR ENGLISH YOU SAID IT WAS A LOW BLOW... the hypocrisy of it. what about that do u not get??? oh and also, i'm not a 'star trek groupie' as you put it, i didn't really care one way or the other about it, i'm not saying its a terrific movie, i'm just trying to point out to you your mentality that you are 'right' for hating it and others are 'wrong' or stupid for liking it. go read my posts again... i mean really... unbelievable
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is spain's mexico.
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and the funny thing mynemaborat, is that ive been published in portuguese, both in portugal and in brazil - a country that just got everything portuguese better than portugal. the women dont have moustaches, the beaches dont have syringes, their language is sing songy and poetic, their writers and movie directors blow portuguese ones out of the water. its like god got a portuguese "do-over" with brazil and finally got it right.
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http://tinyurl.com/kuoxf2
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Dude made one of the best soundtracks that Rickey's ever heard. So that's something Brazil has going for it. That and all the inordinately attractive women...
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"Ricky Smash"! LOLYou are right about Clear and present danger, just that I did not get to finish the rest of the movie.(too many options I guess.)What i have seen so far merits your sentiment.I'll see if it's on Blu-Ray .
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Who cares if they're packing. As long as they look like the real thing anything goes. Especially after a few bottles of Água de Cão.
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An old elementary classmate of mine got his PH.D in Cultural Anthropology, specializing in Latin America. hmmm...Still...I get all the Latin culture I need, or want, eating Tacos out of a truck next to the 405 in Long Beach or watching Sabado Gigante. Of course there was that girl in Lima that was into BDSM...Lineas de Nazca, Cuzquena beers, and hot candle wax across her dark brown 96# body while she lay tied up in her Miraflores condo...Me encanta la cultura de America Latina!Oh..and i believe the the answer to the above question is "Voy a chupar para una tarjeta verdre".
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As i said, i would had to mname all really good movies to a list of smart movies. Though i'm not too certain about Braveheart. While i really liked it when i first saw it, today i'm very critical of it, specially after it's write unleashed Pearl Harbor, and the more i learn about the real history about the real William Wallace, the dumber the movie looks to me.
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do you remember talking to that one white dude, about that other white dude who would play outfield with his batting helmet on, and the one white dude you were talking to said "hey rickey, that was me, jon olerud!"
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You can go now, i have absolutly no use for you whatsoever anymore.
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"the women dont have moustaches, the beaches dont have syringes,"Are there still those Gang youths running amok in Braz? Also the Brazilian Women are beautiful and with bazoomzooms too. My brother wanted to to accompany him on a 4 day stay, but i would be so tempted to 'indulge', thus I punked out.either cause i love my wife or just p-whipped. XD
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Your coment about Portugal (and by implication toward Mexico) is stupid beyond belief. Small wonder people like this get attracted to such movies as Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek. They fit one another.
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im not understanding your point. you were looking to insult me by pointing out, ina very isolated case, how professiors only teach what their phds are in. and i agreed with you, but amended it a bit by saying that a latin american cultural studies phd can teach a wide range of classes within that field. for example, your friend could teach in my spanish department with a cultural anthropology degree, though i couldnt teach in his, most likely. then i said you would resort to some kind of racist remark, which you did - kudos. grats on your friend though, getting your phd is a draining, trying task, and he should be commended for it. also, your answer to the question was really really good except that you may want to put a direct object somewhere in there - like "poya" (spain), "pinga" (cuba), "verga" (mexico) etc. awesome though.
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Sep 03, 2009 10:07:07 AM CDT
Also what about the proported high HIV rate among the Women?
by stalkeye
I'll take a clean chick with a stache than a hot,sexy but infected chick.I gots a lot more things to see and do before giving up the ghost yanno.
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you write english like tarzan speaks it.
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in the US than in brazil.
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Sep 03, 2009 10:09:40 AM CDT
siralex knows as much about Portugal as he knows about quantum p
by asimovlives
Which means, nothing a tall. It's obvious to anybody but a complete ignorant retard that this lying sack knows shit aobut Portugal. Or Brazil, for that matter. This guy lies through his teeth. He knows it, and i know it. Only the Jar Jar Abrams's groupies who are desperate to engorge their ranks are buying this shit.Hey dude, you know you are lying, and i know you are lying. Desist, dude. No amount of screaming and kicking will change the you are one shameless liar.lying sacks among the Jar Jar Abrams' groupies, why i am not suprised?
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It's still 1000 times better then the portuguese you do not speak.
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i cant argue my way around that. may have something to do with the appearance of portuguese women that curbs the spread of infection over there.
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At best it's a rousing action movie. At worst it's the most historically inaccurate movie ever made.
Longshanks wasn't English. He was a Saxon invader, although the only invasion was done to the English. He was promised Scotland in a political deal (as was the way politics worked then, people made deals & even got married for countries/property/position). Wallace himself was a pillager & murderer of both Scots & English alike. His family weren't murdered. The Scottish flag he wears as face paint didn't exist then. Kilts hadn't been invented. The chick Sophie Marceau played wasn't even born until something like 200 yrs later & had fuck all to do with the story. There's more, but it's been a while since I've seen it.
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name me one culturally relevant portuguese director, writer, athlete, or female model. brazila got you beat on all fronts. i probably know more about your own country than you do.
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sucks just enough to keep the rest of the iberian peninsula from falling into the mediterranean sea.
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You think a movie being smart just resumes to intellectualism? Small wonder you guys are so ready to accept dumb shit like Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek as fun. You guys love a pletora of really smart movies like jaws, and yet you cannot help but diminishing them, as if a movie being smart is some kindof sin, and being dumb is some kind of virtue.I'll never understand that mentality. Dumb is not good, dumb is bad, dumb is he opposite of fun. Always has, always will.
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ahahaha... again, you just ignore posts that you dont know how to respond to. its pathetic. u don't enter into any sort of discourse on the subject, you close your ears to things you don't want to hear. its unbelievable. just admit the hypocritical thing and it'll go along way to showing you're not such a stubborn little child. its just one tiny insignificant point, yet you're dodging it like crazy. it's really quite amazing.
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the DO understand hairy women.
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I never really bothered to research the factual events and history of Wallace, however Ol' Mel was promoting the hell out of this Movie and refered to WW's legacy as if it was the gospel truth.I mostly cite Gohan's pinnacle performance as Longshanks, as one of the best things to come out of that movie. "The problem with Scotland, is that it's full of Scots...if we can't burn them out, we'll breed them out.."What a dick.But as always, fantasy is more interesting than actual events.
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is on wikipedia looking for poruguese people of any kind of cultural relevance.
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I'm glad to see people have finally come to their senses on that Trek abomination. The most incomprehensible part about that movie was having a villain travel back in time, and then waiting 25 years to exact revenge against some dude who was clearly trying to help, instead of, you know, saving their own fucking planet. In 25 years, we're expected to believe that no one would overthrow the captain to go save their homeworld??? Anyone who can put an idea like that onto paper clearly has trouble tying their shoes in the morning. It really was worse than Nemesis and had none of the spirit of the original Trek.
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Now it's just Portugal V Brazil. The rest of us don't care. I wouldn't even wanna know about that if it was in the world cup (a Portugal v Brazil game = posers with fake tans falling over like they got shot by a sniper. "Give him a red card Referee. He kicked the ball in the opposite direction, then said I'm not pretty waah waah."
Take it to Iberia_or_queerier.com
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huh?
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I mean, really!
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itd be funny, for sure -but it wouldnt be a match. hell, the US national team was able to beat portugal 2 world cups ago...
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It was a fun TB, now it's mainly taken up with one guy saying Brazil's better than Portugal, the other saying it isn't. What that has to do with anything at all is lost on me.
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Athlets: 1- Carlos Lopes, won the gold medal and a new olympic record for the marathon in the 1984 olympics set in LOS ANGELES. 2- Rosa Mota, won the bronze medal in the first women olympic marathon in Los Angeles Olympic Games. 3- Fernanda Ribeiro, in the 1996 Summer Olympics won women's 10,000 m gold medal and establishing a new olympic record.Director: Manoel de oliveira, the oldest director still making movies, and Europe's, posibly even the world's most awarded director.Actors: 1- Maria de Medeiro (also a director), one of europe's most well regarded actress, and she played Fabien in Pulp Fiction, a portuguese actres playing a french character very convincingly. 2- Joaquim de Almeida, international actor, been in lots of american movies.Writers: José Saramago, nobel winner; Fernando Pessoa; Luis de Camões, António Lobo Antunes, Fernando Namora, Almada Negreiros, Alves Redol, Agostinho da Silva, Mário de Sá Carneiro, David Mourão-Ferreira, Agostinha Bessa Luís, Eça de Queirós, Eugénio de Castro, Vasco Graça Moura, António gedeão... i could be writing this list the rest of the day and woulnd't even get half of it.The point is that it's you who are very ignorant of my country Portugal. You are a boastful fella without much to back up. Of all th ethings you Cchosed to boast about, you had to do about my country, something it's quite clear you know shit about. Desit, man, really, just desist. I can't believe i'm wasting my time with a fraud like you.
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Sep 03, 2009 10:43:35 AM CDT
Portugal v Brazil is like watching a bunch of girls..
by the dark shite
Preening around like peacocks, strutting, then falling over whenever anyone touches them. It's like the last 10 mins of Rambo stretched into 90 mins. But without Rambo. Just the Burmese jumping & exploding for no reason.
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This conversation serves no porpose anymore (never did, anyway). Goodbye. This is me being diplomatic. Take the hint.
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They turn a movie discussion into an arena of personal attack bitchfights. This groupies are so obsessed with defending their shit movies they always turn to personal attacks. why? Because they haven't a single valid argumento defend their beloved shit movies and the hacks who make them. i have seen this happening time and again. Fucking asses!
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"They turn a movie discussion into an arena of personal attack bitchfights. This groupies are so obsessed with defending their shit movies they always turn to personal attacks. why? Because they haven't a single valid argumento defend their beloved shit movies and the hacks who make them. i have seen this happening time and again. Fucking asses!"
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or people that have had moderate success outside of your little country. ill give you de oliveira though. great writer.
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Do you even know what the word meltdown means? For a so-called publiched author (in portuguese language, yeah right!), you have a serious problem knowing the definition of many words. Weird.
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Pour yourself a nice glass of wine (something you guys make very well) & chill out. Take it from a guy with a heart condition, it isn't worth popping a head vein to argue online with a guy you'll never meet in your life. I do it for fun sometimes, but that's me. If I took it seriously I'd be twitching in a pool of my own piss by now:-).
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This is not the same situation as CTM1978. This runs deeper and I expect this to become a generational blood feud.
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You got so worked up because i called you on your bad use of portuguese, which you did, that your ego was so hurt you had to gon on a personal rampage. A silly one at that. And now you are reduced to name calling my country. there's a word to descrbe that shit: XENOPHOBIA.Were all this just about we discussing movies, namely Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek, i wouldn't mind much. I could just ignore you if you stoped amume me. But you are on a silly ego trip meltdown. Focus, man. This talkback is aobut Bob The Orci, and by implication and popular demand, about Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek. And not about your bruised ego. Focus on the subject. Focus.
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"I could just ignore you if you stoped amume me."
huh?
me tarzan, you unemployed!!!!! -
you know what the funny thing is? i really didn't want to attack you or flame you or whatever. i just really thought you could use an eye opener. you're intense hatred of star trek doesn't mean that it's a bad movie. it doesn't mean people who like it are unintelligent. there are many reasons they could like it. it doesn't make them any less of a movie fan. it doesn't mean they're taste in film is bad. everyone is different. some movie you find excellent, others might think is terrible or doesn't make sense. does that make u dumb for liking it? no. just as the star trek fans aren't dumb or have poor taste for liking star trek. u really should take these points in and think about them. the reason i was pushing the hypocrisy thing so hard wasn't to get a 'win' over you or whatever people seem to get out of flame wars... it was an attempt to get you to break down this fucking brick wall you've erected and open up to the idea that you're not right all the time in your views. but you couldn't even give that little bit and say, yeah you shit on my english but i also shit on your portugese... anyway its getting all preachy here, so i'll just leave it with this - i really think you should reconsider your absurdly intense hatred of star trek, its creators and its fans and just accept that people are going to like it where you want them to or not and you shouldn't judge them on it. its not a bad movie, you only think it is. and its not a good movie, the people who like it only think it is. get what i'm saying?
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Glad to know you appreciate our fine wines. But it's not just our wine, our beer is great as well, as are our licours and our aguardente (translates to "burning water") a very strong type of alchoolic beverage, limiliar in look to vodka and almost as powerful.Mind i ask you which is your favorite portuguese wine?
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Don't be silly!
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Shall we speak in portuguese, then? Since you are such the expert. Put your money where your mouth is.
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Sep 03, 2009 11:04:37 AM CDT
DON'T MIND ME, I'M JUST POURING GASOLINE ON THE FLAMES
by bringingsexyback
and fanning them too.
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Those fucking Slavs are not to be trusted.
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"Pour yourself a nice glass of wine (something you guys make very well) & chill out. Take it from a guy with a heart condition, it isn't worth popping a head vein to argue online with a guy you'll never meet in your life. I do it for fun sometimes, but that's me. If I took it seriously I'd be twitching in a pool of my own piss by now:-)."
exaclty. asmivolives began this by throwing a series of rediculous, repetitive insults at star trek and the people that liked the movie, all because he didnt like it. which i can totally respect.
but he continued and when it got too hot he couldnt handle it.
asimvolives, i have nothing against you or portugal. i LOVE the country. every time ive been its been incredible, most recently the last eurocup, since i am a soccer historian by hobby. ill leave you alone, bro. but you cant go on a barely intelligeble tirade about talkbackers resorting to insults when thats how you began the talkback, from your very first post. -
He was in the Michael Jackson Pepsi commercial and was Fresh Prince's cousin. Yep.
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Let's make a deal: start calling me by my nick, and i'll engage in any conversation to your liking in duiscussing what i find wrong with Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek. I'll be as honest as i can. But you will have to start calling me by my nick, as it is. I'm totally adamant about that. notice that no matter how much i disagreed or even "bashed" you, i always respected your nick. I demand the same treamtent from you. It's that or no deal. Your call.
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Best they can do is fly you to Spain and put you on the chicken truck.
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meant to say the last eurocup, in portugal. and no, i dont want to have this conversation in portuguese, because, as you have said, and is perfectly true, my portuguese, when it comes to things not literary and academic, is not the best.
your english, in a non-formal setting, is better than my portuguese, by far. -
I lived in Extremadura near the Spain/Portugal border for a while. I had a type if wine which if I remember rightly, was called "Green wine" or something, but wasn't green. Maybe I was drunk by then:-). But if it exists, that stuff is fucking amazing. Or again, maybe I was drunk by then.
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Siralex, obviously you are not aware of what Asimov said about your mother, grandmother and uncle.
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What you haven't understand yet is that my policy is to only insult the bad movies and the hacks that make them. Bob The orci is one of the hack who made them, he posted here, so i medieval on his ass. There are only two talkbacks in the whole AICN which i deliberatly make personal insults them them, and they are DocPazuzu and Lost Jarv. Those ar ethe only ones i do that. On everybody else, i have no problem calling on their tastes and opinions about movies and filmmakers, but i draw the line in going ad homine on them. Unless they fucking push me. Otherwise, i'm cool.And considering you claim you like my country, i'll ask this, in the spirit of friendhsip and cordiality: which part of it you know best and what is our opinion about our wines and food.
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That's one way of putting it.
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Maybe it wasn't even portuguese. I liked my mushrooms back then. Most of my conversations were with oompa loompas & shit.
Besides, back in England, we generally just get generic "Port". It's what we ask for & what we get.
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Sep 03, 2009 11:20:14 AM CDT
IT'S TRUE. ASIMOV AND DOC PAZ / LOST JARV DON'T MIX
by bringingsexyback
Even their moms hate each other.
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sigh... honestly you really just don't get my point. i don't want to engage in a conversation about what you find wrong with star trek. i have never been defending the quality of star trek as a movie. i really don't care about it that much. what i have been defending is the right for someone to feel any way they like about a movie without having to be told they're stupid for liking it. conversely i also hate it when someone doesn't like a movie (dark knight?) and they're told their stupid for not liking it or that they just 'dont get it'... this is my entire point. i couldn't care less that you hated star trek, what i've been trying to do is get you to realise that just because you hated it doesn't mean its a bad movie... but i'm starting to realise that you really just don't understand that do you? again, i'm not flaming you in that accusation. i'm just totally at a loss for words about it and can't get my mind around it. i dont think i've ever met someone that is so closed off to the idea that their view on a film isn't more accurate or important than another person with a different view. once more, there is no diffinitive answer, this isn't a math test, its just about personal taste. once again, its not a bad movie, you only think it is. and its not a good movie, the people who like it only think it is.
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for Spanking?
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It's 1:30am in the land of the rising sun. The movie discussion seems to be over & Bob Orci's probably too drunk to come online (I jest Borci, I jest). So, I'll go to bed.
Hope I don't wake up to find your countries have nuked each other.
Having said that..if one of you has any military training & can shoot Cristiano Ronaldo's smug fucking face off, I'd be much obliged;-).
I medieval on all your asses! See ya. -
you have repeatedly insulted people other than that on more than one occasion. as a matter of fact, when you say things like "only morons like shit trek" or "that movie is for dumb people" youre insulting them.
but im done messing with you and your country. although it was a great amount of fun to be had while my girl was out running with the boxer, id like to get out and enjoy the sun here.
to answer your questions, i cant name specific dishes and wines. i can tell you that i have visited porto many times and have a 30 year old bottle of port in my kitchen right now. and guys and gals, it isnt port if its not from porto. its a bit too sweet for my taste, but it makes a great desert wine when youre in the mood. lisboa is beautiful, but not as beautiful as some of the towns that you can hit when youre just driving to get out of the more touristy cosmopolitan areas. ill leave you alone, now, asimov, because you seem like an okay dude - and definitely a movie lover, theres no doubt in my mind about that. when i do take offense is when you insult those that dont agree with you - and even though you say you havent, theres a whole talkback worth of people that know otherwise, whether you acknowledge it or not. and for the record, im a spaniard. from barcelona. and ive had the green wine before dark shite, in extremadura. the galicians are some of the nicest, kindest people that ive ever met. too bad franco was from near there. :)
have a good afternoon talk backers. youre my next target bringingsexyback... you and your mother... :) -
i don't understand why you demand so much that you be called by your handle, yet you constantly throw out derogetory names like 'bob the orci' and 'the klutzman' and 'jar jar abrams' etc.
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for teabag. hard to pull off in the middle of a lecture on rigoberta menchú.
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Unfortunatly, my mother died 11 years ago, to breast cancer. I'd like to ask you to refrain from comenting about her, even if just in jest. Thank you very much.
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If yoyu don't mind, i'll answer your last post first. The reason why i respect anybody's handle (even the assholes), and demand the same form other, while bash and moack movies and filmmakers, is due to this little reason: It's a show of basic respect. That respect is based on one thing, and one thing only: trust. Movies and filmmakers can do something to me that no geek in here can: betrayal of trust. When i pay to watch a movie, i put my trust in the filmmakers and the movei that i'm going to be well served for my money i payed. When a movie is bad, the movie and the filmamkers betrayed my trust. As such, i feel no compulsion to hold myself, to censor myself in what i feel and think about them. Nobody here, nobody in the talkbacks, no geek can betray my trust in any way possible. As such, no person in here is below a show of basic human respect. unless they are DocPazuz and Lost Jarv, those motherfuckers. And yet, i still honour their handles, evne on those assholes.Does this answer your question?
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You should refrain from insulting it, even in jest.
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No, you are remembering it right, it was Green Wine, and it's exclusively portuguese.Green Wine, or as we call it, Vinho Verde, is not green by colour. It's called that way because in portuguese, as in english, we also use the word green to mean something which is new. Basically, Green Wine is new wine. Ideally, it should be drank the same year it was produced, or the soonest possible, one or two years after production, tops. Vinho Verde is one of the type of wines that's mandatory to be drank cool, even the red variety. But mostly, Vinho Verde is mostly found in the white variety, which i personally think it's better. Vinho Verde is ideal to be drank while eating sea food, namely fish, but specially seafood like prawns, clams, crab and all other type of molluscs or edible crustaceans Portugal has an extremely rich tradition in sea food cousine)You said you live in the spanish province of Estremadura. That provinced borders the portuguese provuince where my parents were born, Alentejo. You might have heard of it. My father was born in the town of Mourão, and my mother in the small city of Serpa. Mourão migth be better known to you by association to the big water reservoir caused by the Alqueva damn.In terms of landscape, Alentejo and Estramadura are very similiar. I even have been to the capital city of Estremadura a few time, Badajoz. Nice city.Alentejo, likemost portuguese provinces, is wine producer. alentejo wines are particulary popular not only by portugueses, but by foreingers adn most casual wine drinkers. It's due to the fact it's a smooth sweet wine, which serves easily on the tastes of most foreigners and casual drinkers. Also, most people who gain the habit of drinking alentejo's wine they don't drink other types, it becames an aquired taste. also due, i guess, that the rest of the wines from Portugal tend to be dryer.
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AsimovLives word is like the koran in its truth, if you don't believe it or follow it, they well...he'll put a jihad on you.
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ahh it answers that one question, but u just gave a long answer to a simple question, (thanks), so why have you yet to answer all my other posts? anyway, what i want to know is do u get the point i've been trying to make or not? i don't know how to express it any more clearly. and if you do get it, are you going to take it on board and think about it or are you just going to disregard it? cos if you say u are going to take it in, then i hope you no longer accuse fans of the new star trek movie of being stupid for liking it, or bashing their taste in film. and maybe you can come to accept the fact that just because you hate it so and think its terrible, really doesn't make it so
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I'll burn his "baby" and dance one it's ashes. In jest.
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AsimovLives is like the Bill O'Reilly of talkbackers. You know its true.
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All in good time, my friend, all in good time. As you can see, i do tend to write long posts. A bit of a case of verbiage, i admit.
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Repent, you fucks!
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Ahh you spanish! Why didn't you said so before, compadre? Would had saved a lot of misunderstandings.
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When you look at a map Portugal looks like a tasty snack that Spain is about to eat?
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And raly, i can't stress this enough. Call me by my handle. And by trhat only. Or there's no more talk between us. My handle and my handle only. Take it or leave it. Your call.
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No, Portugal is the snack that Spain let it go away and never got it back. Just ask the Catalonians, the Basques and the Galicians.
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Gave a shout out to Lela Star....sweet!
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I've never heard of them? What movies did they make?
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Just when most of us were in solidaridy while attacking Bobby, now the thread is almost turning into that notorious Batman thread/forum (in which Subs ended up leaving AICN.)It's cool to disagree but not to get way too personal even if it's the internet.CTM had me chuckling so hard while holding my Laptop, that my wife outta nowhere had asked me "what's so funny, lemme see...buahahahahahahahahahahah".I (for the most part) respect everyone's opinons wether or not I agree.and a lil' ball breaking ain't so bad, just don't take this shit too far.Everyone has feelings, even Tbers.And no threating to leave AICN over this shit either, just duke it out respectfully (if possible) or shake hands.,p>Geez
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Don't be droll. In Spain, there is not just the spanish people living there. There's alot other people, like the Catalonians, the Basques and the Galicians, all of them with their oen language, all of them with their own traditions and their own cultures, different from the spanish.In fact, calling the language spanish is technically incorrect. The correct term for the spanish language is "Castellano" (=Castilian), since it's the language of the Castellanos, another people from Spain and who took predominance over all other the other people of Spain, even including the Portugueses for a short period of time in the late 16th/early 17th century.
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Hypocritical, explosive, vitriolic, but extremely sensitive when he's abused the same way he abuses others. Yes, the resemblance is uncanny.
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That was set in Galicia.
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Why is it bad to be compared to him? Dude was a professional, what's so bad about that? I'd take that as a compliment.
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No. I've seen Darkon. And watched the first half of Pootietang last night! Dagon does look kind of cool though.
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It is. Little cool horror movie, and pretty good gore effects. The main actor of the movie looks like a younger version of the Re-Animator actor. Good stuff. And the Galician setting does help the movie get an exotic, unconventional look to it.
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Netflix....only 475 movies to see first before I get to it.
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Your gimmick is fucking older than a Stargate idea.
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They're both shitty.
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I thought about it and indeed smart does not equal intellectual. I also see what you mean when you say that movies that insult the intelligence of the viewer can never be fun. However there’s such a thing as dumb fun. I can watch my Highlander or Anchorman dvd and have a good time but I don’t know what to call that except dumb fun. To give you another example, let’s say you go out and they play a Justin Timberlake song. Do you stand around like a plant or do you grab a girl and dance?
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No, the only thing shitty around here is you, douche-bag. The fact that you find BLADE RUNNER boring or believe that no one older than 20 enjoys it just goes to show how much of a clueless moron you really are.I think it's time you left AICN. It's clear that you have nothing to contribute beyond wasting the site's bandwidth.
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"Do you stand around like a plant or do you grab a girl and dance?
i want to dance! (dazed and confused, anybody?) -
haven't seen it - will check it out. Thanks for the tip, I'm off now, time for bed.
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I don't classify Highlander or Anchorman as dumb fun. Any movie that can be as fun as those two are not dumb, they are smart mvoies that do their job right. i also don't mistake a movie where the characters are all dumb idiots and extracts comedy from that, with the movie ITSELF being dumb. There are smart movies about idiots doing idiot things. The Big Lebowsky comes to mind as another example of that.As for Justin Timberlake, fuck him. Life is too precious for me to waste my time with such shit. There are truly good songs out there made but much better artists that you can dance with your girl. I don't sacrifice good quality for easy pickings.
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you're a homo!
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Sep 03, 2009 7:08:53 PM CDT
NAME ONE PORTUGESE SINGER BIGGER THAN JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
by bringingsexyback
You can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sep 03, 2009 8:37:21 PM CDT
There are loads of portuguese singers bigger than Timberlake..
by the dark shite
He's only 4ft tall or something.
I just woke up & you lot didn't quit it:-). Where's Bob Orci when you need a laugh? -
What Asimov said.
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woops, i just realised i misspelt your handle in that last post... genuine mistake sorry.
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this is the sound of AICN pushing it too far. Orci + Squertzman do NOT = Favreau + Downey.
Also, anyone who can name ONE Portuguese musician is either Portuguese or works in "World Music" at Tower Records. -
hahahahaha.....
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I'd recommend sending you here, but I fear for the goats. http://tinyurl.com/lhdahd
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I figured as much, i just wanted to make sure. sorry about the earlier harsh words, i do think you are just trying to be a nice guy. but let me finally coment on your above post: I don't think it's cool for any talkback to coment on other's coments. Criticise my opinions about movies and filmmakers, that's fair game. If i can take it or not, that's my problem. But when people coment on the nature of other's coments, that has the odour of pedantry. And i'm sure that was not your intention when you posted your coments about me.So, let me put it this way: talk to me about movies all to your heart content, i'll read your posts with great care and i'll wait them with great interest. Let us play this that way, fully into the movie geek way, and i'm certain we will be fast friends.
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This lockesbrokenleg, he's quite a piece of work, isn't it? And complete fail.
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Portuguese music artists with international projection, and not just limited to "world music":José Afonso, Amália Rodrigues, Madredeus, Pedro Ayres Magalhães ,Teresa Salgueiro, Dulce Pontes, Mísia, Mariza, Carlos do Carmo, Moonspell, Xutos & Pontapés, GNR (no that's not Guns N Roses, you fucks), Da Weasel, Rui Veloso, Sérgio Godinho, Raúl Kiau, Rui da Silva (DJ), Rita Redshoes, The Gift, David Fonseca, Jorge Palma, António Vitorino de Almeida, António Pinho Vargas, Mário Barreiros, Janita Salomé, Vitorino, Fausto, Rodrigo Leão.That's just a sample.
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Sep 04, 2009 8:18:46 AM CDT
my namea borat. I likeh you, I likeh sex. whynot iz nass!
by ironic_name
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wun hung lo, who used to be in sum yung gai.
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I’m bringing pad thai back
Them other noodles don’t know how to act
It's so delicious, with some shrimp and eggs (Yeah!)
So turn around and I'll pick up the check.
Take 'em to the bridge! -
Only hysterical pre-teen girls like Justin Timberlake, and nobody gives a fuck what pre-teen girls think, and rightly so.
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