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BATMAN & ROBIN Writer Akiva Goldsman To Reboot FANTASTIC FOUR??

I am – Hercules!!
Mere hours after the announcement that Disney would purchase Marvel Entertainment comes word of a big-screen “Fantastic Four” at Fox. Now the bad news. Akiva Goldsman, who wrote the two shittiest “Batman” films ever – namely “Batman Forever” and “Batman & Robin” – is in charge. Goldsman also produced "Hancock." That news not horrible enough for you? Michael Green, who wrote for “Heroes,” is scripting. On the plus side, there’s no director yet, so maybe Fox will hire somebody better than Tim Story, who helmed the studio's two earlier, miserable kiddie-crap “Fantastic Four” movies. It’s unclear, according to Variety, whether Chris Evans, Jessica Alba or the tiny fellow from “The Shield” will be back from the two Fox films. Why not make a grown-up version with Jeff Goldblum as Reed Richards and Christoph Waltz as Victor Von Doom? An interesting excerpt from the Variety piece:
Though Marvel Entertainment owns and finances properties like "Iron Man" and "Thor," Fox controls "Fantastic Four" in perpetuity -- as long as it continues making the films. Fox has the same arrangement on Marvel Comics properties "X-Men," "Daredevil" and "Silver Surfer."
But how long, I wonder, does Fox have to wait to make a new FF movie before the rights revert to Marvel? "4: Rise of the Silver Surfer" came out 26 months ago. Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.

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  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    My life is now complete. .....I REGRET NOTHING!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST


    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    I've always loved you.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST


    by hallmitchell

    Of all the people!!!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    He also did write A beautiful mind.

    by hallmitchell

    Which is a great, great script.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    oh my god...

    by cifra

    if there's a franchise - New Mutants apart - that is in real danger in Disney hands, it's this. Family values can kill the fun.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Why HiRE: How about the " Hard days night"

    by hallmitchell

    FF script. Where it's set in the sixties and there is Time Travel with DR. Doom???

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    FF was never gonna work anyway - so who cares?

    by JuanSanchez

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    BTW - this is a Fox project, not Disney

    by JuanSanchez

    Fox is rebooting to keep the rights.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to the Reboot

    by Series7

    Of Reboot? Or did that just turn into Tr20n?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Naomi Watts as Sue Richards!

    by Triple_J_72

    Do it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Where's Hans Landa...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...when you need him?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    OHHHH I hope its a pixar movie

    by Series7

    But with live action Chris Evans and that guy who played the funny Belushi brother.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Second verse, same as the first....

    by Djamdjean

    Shit, shit, shit and shit.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST


    by Paul T. Ryan

    Credit where it's due, Goldsman can write films that aren't genre-based (A Beautiful Mind), and at least he's not writing this. Still, WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING FOX??????

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    so is michael chiklis

    by meta4

    out of a job?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith on Script!!!!

    by hallmitchell

    Directed by Neil Blomkamp.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four 3: The Revenge of Akiva Goldsman

    by Ribbons

    Head for the hills, integrity!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Vin Diesel - DR Doom!

    by hallmitchell

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Reed Richards - Jeff Goldblum

    by hallmitchell

    Seeing though he didn't fall off a cliff in New Zealand.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    The Thing - Seth Rogen.

    by hallmitchell

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    BIG LOB.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Let's see the Human Torch try to catch BIG LOB.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST


    by ThePorkChopExpress

    Has his name attached to a string of "Could be much better" movies. Is it his writing that has undone them though??? Hancock, maybe more so than the rest. But the others, including Batman, I Robot, DaVinci Code etc - they are all movies that are just bad to be attached to from the start.Surely if his writing brief for Batman was let's make it a serious, caped crusader detective/revenge story he would write something different. But Batman Forever/ & Robin are clearly the product they set out to be - campy, comedic action 'fun' - unfortunately, that's not the kind of Batman film fans wanted - they still killed at the box office though right??? Anyway, the only movie of his that I actually like is the Client. And that was a long time ago so I will not be holding my breath for a good F4 movie with his name attached because either the brief he gets will be shit, or he will just be shit. Bummer.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Well obviously BRAD BIRD should direct right?

    by The_Genteel_Gentile


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Godblum as Richards would actually get me to watch.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    A Beautiful Mind - Highly budgeted, overrated...

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    TV MOVIE at best.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four = Yawn

    by quamb

    Sorry, but it's true. For the folk who didn't get into the comics, FF is just, well, boring. And all these superhero films are really starting to become a drag... and am sure the studios are going to suffer the consequences of saturating the market.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Sue Storm isn't a LATINA

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    hallmitchell - I like the Blomkamp idea.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Not so hot on the Kevin Smith though, you can keep that.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    FF is too zany to work as a serious concept!

    by AJD_1

    I mean, c'mon. There's no way it could be made into a more adult version.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    What's with the Hancock hate, AICN?

    by ApneicMonkey

    It was better than most of the shitty superhero movies we get dumped upon us each year!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    And I thought the FF franchise couldn't suck any more

    by Heckles

    Goldsman is the worst. How can his work be viewed as anything but terrible. Not to mention the fact he still gets work. "Hey, remember that shitty ass Batman movie you wrote? Well, here's the keys to the Baxter Building!" Maybe the powers-that-be think the FF movies sucked so bad, not even Goldsman could make something worse. Heh, yeah fuckin' right.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Goldblum is the coolest, but he may be too old now.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Ah hell, get Goldblum anyway! I'll gladly pay just for that alone.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Hancock was pure shit

    by wash

    It easily deserves all the hate it gets. I could at least sit through all of the first FF movie, as shitty as it was. I could not say the same for Hancock.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Dr. Doom Candidates

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    Viktor Verzhbitskiy (Zabulon on Night/Daywatch) Karl Roden I have nothing.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Roger Corman's version was the more faithful

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Make it like Armegeddon meets The Fly.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    It really should reside somewhere between Michael Bay and David Cronenberg.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie as Mr. Fantastic!

    by kbarber29

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Wait... we're not allowed to like BATMAN FOREVER either?

    by 3D-Man

    I thought it was just BATMAN & ROBIN???

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Forget Goldblum's age - rewrite it for him. It's worth it.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie as Mr. Fantastic

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    I second seth rogen as the thing

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Can someone go dig up Stephen Hopkins and give this to him.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    And don't screw him over like on Lost In Space. Dude deserves to be released from filmmaking prison and given another shot at the big time.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Bruce Greenwood = Mr. Fantastic

    by Movietool

    Even with him, however, it would suck, because Fox loves making crappy super hero movies almost as much as Goldsman does.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I knew ever since they cast Jessica Alba as Invisible Woman

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    those movies were gonna suck. How can she be Chris Evans' sister, that's just retarded. and Julian McMahon as Doctor Doom from latveria, Australian faking american accent supermodel? wtf

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    just make it a retro 60's movie full of pipe smoking and

    by ironic_name

    misogyny, like a cartoon version of madmen.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Bruce Greenwood is an awesome choice.

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Marvel needs to get the movie rights back...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    To F4, Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, and so many other of their characters that they whored out over the years to other studios that have fucked them all up.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    What I never understood was

    by Talkbacker with no name

    how the smart people got in bryan singer, chris nolan and sam rami who created not only wonderful films but made the studios a lot of money. Who ever thought Tim Story was a good idea at fox? Barbershop?! taxi?! boggles the mind really.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    That braindead cocksucker ruined, not only, A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 but also ran the Predator franchise into the ground before obliterating Lost In Space with it’s first movie. That worthless fucker hasn’t made a single good movie in his pathetic excuse of a career. Hey, why not let Schumacher just Direct and ensure that a FF reboot will truly be fucked!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    I like Batman Forever

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    Its not a good movie and it's a worse batman movie, but I still like it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    So? The Fantastic Four are stupid, anyway.

    by Jardinier

    There's not much there for Fox to destroy. That's not to say there aren't mature storytelling possibilities in the idea of a superhero family, but if I want to watch a similar dynamic at play, only, you know, grown-up and *good*, I'll just watch THE INCREDIBLES or VENTURE BROS or read the First Family-centric ASTRO CITY issues. <br<br> Now, if they did a total reboot *without* caring one iota about the original comics, *maybe* the FF could be more than just awkwardly goofy. But in such a case it's probably brighter just to invent a new group of characters from the get-go (à la Brad Bird).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Stephen Colbert as Reed Richards!

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    That is all.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    I didn't mind FF4

    by Kizeesh

    Sure it was cheesy shit but I've always thought the FF4 was the cheesiest of all the marvel properties.<p> Never quite had the edge that xmen, Spidey or Avengers did.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four? More like Fantastic movie franshise!


    I know a lot of people want their superheroes to scowl and brood a lot, but I was raised on silver age heroes. I like the wholesome, lighthearted Fantastic Four the way they're portrayed in the comics, and I feel they made a relatively accurate transition to film. Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie, and I have repeatedly stated my love of the flawed but still amazing Batman and Robin, so this news just has me fired up even more. It's a good time to be a fan of movies...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I would totally watch a Human Torch stand-alone film

    by Jardinier

    starring Chris Evans, by the way. He was the best thing about those movies. It wouldn't even have to be super-serious. I just don't think the family dynamic is particularly noteworthy with the Richardses.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    How about people stop hiring Akiva Goldsman?

    by Raymar

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I've had just enough of those "Heroes" posing in that ad.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Nothing against the show. But that ad is so cheesy...they all look like morons on there, trying to look cool. Enough of that!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    BATMAN FOREVER is not all bad

    by caruso_stalker217

    It's just a wildly uneven kinda crappy film with too many cartoon sound effects and a lousy third act where it completely devolves into a bunch of silly bullshit and shiny Batsuits. <p>The Two-Face/Riddler scenes are entertaining by themselves. I thought Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey made a great team, which doesn't seem like it should be possible. Jones is fucking funny in that movie. <p>The Val Kilmer/Chris O'Donnell dynamic is the real core of the picture. There's really good dramatic stuff in there like Bruce finally coming to terms with his Batman-ness and all the shit where he's trying to keep Dick from making the same mistakes he did. A lot of people seem to overlook the fact that there is a good movie here, it's just buried under a lot of fucking neon and nipples. <p>And there's that scene where Nicole Kidman is wearing nothing but a sheet. <p>That's my two cents. <p>And, yes, I'm aware that my use of "Val Kilmer," "Chris O'Donnell" and "dynamic" in the same sentence probably hurts my credibility.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    The blame for the two batman movies

    by Toonol

    Rests on Joel Schumacher. Not saying Akiva is good OR bad, necessarily; but just saying Schumacher should be held entirely to blame, and it wouldn't have mattered how good the writing, acting, etc. was.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I think you meant to type 'Rape'.

    by Toilet_Terror

    Rape the Fantastic Four. That's what you meant.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by Talkbacker with no name

    I agree. Him and The Thing were the best things about the movies. How about a bit more than a cameo in spider man 4 for johnny storm? Not it will happen anytime soon.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    And that cover...

    by Toonol

    God, I hate the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate FF most of all.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Stephen Hawking as Reed Richards

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    they can cgi his movements.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    re: disney and marvel

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I wish now this is what they would have done before the first spiderman. I dream of an alternate universe where they were all under one roof from 2002.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    *ties rope around neck*

    by DanboJohnJ

    *writes note* Dear world,fuck you and your shitty studio influenced superheroe movies,i hope now that you can be happy fuck you Danbo. *jumps off stool*

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    To be fair: His scripts for "Fringe" were great!

    by DerLanghaarige

    He even turned out to be a capable TV-Director.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    I mean Goldsman's scripts. Not the other guy.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I hate Hackiva as much as you do, it's just that his work on "Fringe" was a VERY positive surprise!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    How the fuck did Fox get rights to X-Men in perpetuity?

    by Zardoz

    Marvel gave Fox their biggest heroes forever? What the fuck were they thinking? I mean the first two movies were good, but then the last two sucked, so they're batting 50/50, or whatever, (I don't do baseball stats!) but shit! Oh and Waltz for Doom? Pure genius! Also, I was JUST thinking to myself before I even read this post what a shitty writer Akiva was and how awful the FF movies were...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    All black cast!

    by gingerella

    What? We're all thinking it!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Jim Carrey in BF makes me laugh...

    by Zardoz

    but that's the only good thing in that turd!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Will it be a Bana Hulk or a Norton Hulk?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Either way, it will be shit.

  • You should really read "What Makes Sammy Run". It was written like 70 years ago, and everything's still the same and unoriginal in Hollywood as it ever was...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Jeff Goldblum has Richards?: Sold on it!

    by wowsah156

    And set the story after the events of Wolverine's "Enemy of the State" storyline, where Richards is paranoid and has the scars to prove it. But i would prefer Udo Kier to be playing Victor Von Doom.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    It's time Disney buys back these rights

    by YackBacker

    FOX could be playing a game here to force a buyout. I mean they did pull some serious shit with WATCHMEN, remember?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    And BATMAN FOREVER is complete shit

    by YackBacker

    Terrible story, awful acting (Tommy Lee Jones, WTF?) and a major shoutout to Eliot Goldenthal's shit-tastic score. What a disaster of a movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Could have been a Brad Bird Fantastic Four

    by alucard

    ...instead Fox would rather feed this franchise to the worst hack dogs available than let it revert to Marvel Studios. FUCK FOX.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    It's a studio option contract

    by YackBacker

    The studio retains its rights if they exercise their option (and produce a film with these characters). The reason Silver Surfer was in the last FF movie was so FOX could retain its rights to that character. Like I said before, Disney can buy out the rights, which they should do with all FOX-held Marvel properties.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978, That not all true...

    by The Mighty Molecule

    Alright, granted, Hopkins' won't be winning an academy award for anything and he has made some shit films, but c'mon, give the guy a break. Ghost and the Darkness was very watchable and i'm sure most here would agree that Life and Death of Peter Sellers was a good film. Even Predator 2 had good moments... still, im not saying hand FF4 over to him... i'm saying give it to Ratner...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Michael Green...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...wrote some pretty killer scripts for Kings, including the pilot, which is one of the best pilots...ever.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978 - Stephen Hopkins made alot of good stff.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Judgement Night, Ghost In The Darkness, Under Suspicion, Blown Away, Predator 2, The Life and Death of Peter Sellers, 24 (1st Season), Traffic (USA Mini-Series). <p> That's a damn sight better resume than Wes Craven will ever have. <p> All the Nightmare movies are kinda crap, so stop feigning lament. Lost In Space wasn't his fault (if you knew anything about which you spoke, you'd know that). Predator 2 was all sorts of awesome and you damn well better know it! <p> Oh while I'm laying down an obviously needed education, Schumacher made a bunch a terrific movies too. Ever heard of Falling Down, 8mm, Tigerland, Veronica Guerin, The Lost Boys, Flatliners, The Client or A Time To Kill? <p> Guess not.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Akiva Goldsman's WAR CRIMES

    by alucard

    Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Poseidon, Hancock, Lost in Space, I Robot, Manhunters. He fucking sucks and don't fool yourself that Deep Blue Sea was good just because Sam JAckson got fucked up in it. This guy reeks of shit and no studio in Hollywood seems willing to acknowledge that he's a shit storm. Warner already gave him Robin, AGAIN! Fox is out of their fucking minds if they think this will be able to compete when Marvel Studios is producing 2-4 movies a year. BLARGH

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Goldsman re-writes everything he produces


    Even if it's uncredited, as in the case of Poseidon or Hancock. Don't be fooled for a second into believing you'd be dodging another Goldsman superhero script on this project.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Watch the Batman & Robin DVD documentary

    by alucard

    Where Akiva Goldsman explains that you need guys like him and projects like Batman & Robin, so you can appreciate the good stuff. He then turns the interview into a Dark Knight Returns movie pitch. This fucking cunt knows he's evil.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Akiva Goldsman can't direct worth a darn, that's for sure.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    His episodes of Fringe and Kings where the low points for both series.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Goldsman fired the Crank guys and rewrote Jonah Hex...

    by alucard

    What is Fox going to think when Jonah Hex sucks and bombs? They'll blame Warner, Josh Brolin and the director. Once again Akiva Goldsman will walk away completely untouched because nobody in Hollywood or on the Internet pays attention to writer/producers.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    Fox can reboot Daredevil by giving it over to the Howard the Duck writing team. How about them apples?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    I just...

    by VinnyMac666

    threw up in my mouth a little

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    They don't have to keep stamping their company name on Fox's shit garbage. Does anyone really think Fox's announcement today is a fucking coincidence? Fox wants to drink Marvel Studio's blood like a leech!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    Does anyone at AICN want to point out that Warner had the sense to force Marv Wolfman on Akiva Goldsman's Teen Titans project? Even fucking Warner is smart enough to realize Goldsman shouldn't be telling people what direction comic book scripts should take...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to see Goldsman's awesome ideas


    Jokes about how far Reed Richards' dick can stretch? Invisible Woman's ass turning "visible" in the rain? Can I get a job as the next Akiva Goldsman?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Leave Cristoph Waltz alone!!!

    by TheWaqman

    If he has to be in any comic book movie make it Batman 3. Not some Marvel/Fox abortion.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    RE: Marvel logo on Fox movies


    The Marvel brand is going to be pretty fucked if Fox can just tie a Goldsman-shaped anchor around its neck once a year.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Get Peyton Reed back

    by saintaugust

    If he was going to make a F4 movie that looked like "Down with Love" set in the 60's and patterened after "A Hard Day's Night" where's the problem?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Why is this one of maybe three sites calling Fox on bullshit?

    by alucard

    Good goddamn lord, every other website pretty much scrubs Goldsman's record of any connection to the near death of the comic book movie genre. MUST SUCK GOLDSMAN'S DICK, MMM, NEED WEBSITE EXCLUSIVES AND ON SET REPORTS, MMM....

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    The first two Fox FF films shit on the source material


    Thank god we've got Akiva Goldsman now. I saw Batman & Robin and that's a dude who definitely knows his comics.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Comic writer Gail Simone knows Goldsman is a moron

    by alucard

    Check out this link where she writes her own version of the Batman & Robin DVD commentary:

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I actually liked Val Kilmer as Batman

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I thought he gave him Batgravitas and certainly I can believe him kicking more ass in hand to hand combat than scrawny Michael Keaton.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Waltz as Doom

    by Juror Number 8

    would be a stroke of casting genius. with the way things are looking now, i just don't think the script would be worthy of his participation.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Warner cleans up their act, Marvel Studios going good, Fox...

    by alucard

    will keep taking a crap on audiences until they stop eating shit. Of course, Wolverine made less money than any of their previous X-movies, so it's only a matter of time until they're releasing direct-to-video Fantastic Four and X-Men films, or producing and shelving them (like the 90's one), just to keep the rights. Disney should try to buy this shit back if possible.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST


    by alucard


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    *shakes head*

    by midgarddragon

    The overreaction from some factions of the internet (mainly the whiniest, like AICN writers) never ceases to amaze me. Is any of this news really worth the profanity-laden rant that this story became?

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  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    condemn for eternity as "writer of B&R"

    by Gungan Slayer

    seriously, this guy is condemn for eternity and beyond as being the "the writer of Batman & Robin" Fantastic Four reboot? They've already cranked out two shitty movies, what, this new one going to be different?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    Clearly you don't give a shit about these properties, but thank you for posting something mindless, effortless and absolutely, completely meaningless in every sense of the word. I'm going to guess you don't stick up for yourself much, except when cornered. That's your cue! Now is the part where you fail to explain how you add nothing to a conversation, yet wish to pretend to be part of it. Oh boy this is gonna be good!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    Is it too late to get Marlon Wayans to play Johnny Storm?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Does Fox remember when Goldsman killed the Bat-movies?


    He's supposed to resurrect a superhero franchise when the largest superhero franchise took years to recover from his bullshit? Hey Fox, Hancock had fucking Will Smith in it. Will your movie?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by alucard

    They just need to keep producing movies to keep the rights. Remember, they never even fucking released the first one and it's the same goddamn producers!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see what Hitler thinks of this news

    by YackBacker

    DOWNFALL is getting a lot of play lately

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    HITLER VS. FOX, let's have it people!

    by alucard


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Fox realizes that no one would go see this, right?


    Put a guy who's reviled by the entire internet "geek" community in charge of the project, then fashion it as a "reboot." You don't have the comic fans and everyone else is too fucking confused by what you're doing to show up. This is a movie for nobody.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    By the way, that Batman & Robin script?


    You remember how shitty that movie was? Well Goldsman wrote that for you, comic fan. That's how fucking stupid he thinks you are.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    You know...A LOT of people like Batman Forever...

    by Lukecash

    Nobody hated it until the unfortunate Batman and Robin.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Nah Lukecash

    by YackBacker

    I saw BATMAN FOREVER opening night and hated it. I've never seen BATMAN & ROBIN all the way through because I knew it would be as bad, if not worse, than FOREVER. That movie sucked forever and always.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    From shit to worst

    by AsimovLives

    Science is yet to explain how the fuck this Akiva hack got to win an oscar.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Can anyone who likes Batman Forever describe the plot?


    Anything? I remember a lot of neon and one-liners. I remember that guy going IT'S BOILING ACID, and Two-Face putting The Club on his steering wheel. I have this lingering feeling that the actual story had something to do with a guy inventing an evil appliance that turns your TV screen 3D while it sucks out your brain power and funnels it to a giant neon blender on an island, where Jim Carrey is waiting in a sexy white sequin bodysuit with pink poofy hair. That can't be right.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Herc - you are a dumbass.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:04 a.m. CST

    A Beautiful Mind a great script?

    by AsimovLives

    That's a big laught right there.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Val Kilmer>Christian Bale

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Sorry guys but it's true even if Kilmer does look like he has a slight case of down syndrome. Damned if Bale isn't a real charmer of a Bruce Wayne who has a maniacal smile, psychotic forehead vein, and looks like he's about to fall asleep or ready to whip out his axe and start hacking someone down.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    A Rush Job Ahead Of The Disney Take-Over Of Marvel

    by Media Messiah

    Fox and other companies that own licenses to Marvel characters are just rushing to milk every last drop-out of them before they revert back to Marvel, and thus, to Disney. What did I advise the big studios to do earlier this year, in direct response to the battle over "Watchmen" between Fox and Warner? I said one of the big studios should buy Marvel so this type of fight over licensing would never happen again--well, as long as the studio that owns the rights to a particular comic book company, decided to refuse to license those characters to any outside companies, rather, choosing to do productions, ala movies, TV series, you name it, completely in-house. It looks like somebody at Disney was reading what I wrote, and made a wise decision.<BR><BR>Note To The Other Studios: You had better start buying-up the smaller comic book companies, and their characters, while you still can, or Disney, via Marvel...or, other companies unrelated to Disney/Marvel, will buy them, so they can begin to develop the characters owned by said comic book companies, into major blockbuster franchises. <BR><BR>I suspect, a lot of the current owners of Independent Comic Book companies are about to become very rich!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Herc - you are a dumbass.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Michael Green also executive produced Kings, you numbskull. And co-wrote the Green Lantern flick. He knows comic-books... but I guess you're still stuck on this 'fuck Heroes and everyone involved' bandwagon - ya know, unless you can get more advertising by shilling the DVDs. <p> You're an ass of the highest order. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I'll take Orci over Akiva any day of the week—

    by blakindigo

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Why's Herc the dumbass?


    Because he bothered to learn Goldsman's name and figure out he was responsible for some of the worst fucking superhero movies ever made? And you're not a dumbass because you didn't do that?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Again: Akiva Goldsman re-writes everything he produces


    Whether it's credited or not. This is every inch the Goldsman superhero movie that Batman & Robin and Hancock were.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    YES, YES, YES!!!


    Christoph Waltz would be the greatest Dr. Doom ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Well, firstly because the FF is designed as a big, goofy superhero piece. Which Akiva can do. It was just wrong for Batman. <p> Second, because he felt Michael Green writing was equally horrible. When Green created Kings.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    And thirdly

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Because he bashes Heroes constantly, then uses TBs and DVD contests for the show to line his pockets. If you hate a show that much, show some fucking integrity.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST


    by Bruce of all Trades

    WOOOO HOOOO!! I'M 526TH!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    I was actually embarassed leaving the theater

    by Lone Fox

    after watching Batman Forever. 'Cause all those people queuing outside knew where I'd been.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by ZZZARDOZZZ If all of this is wrong for Batman, which parts of it are right for Fantastic Four? You don't think the basic human dignity Stan Lee and Jack Kirby gave those characters helped make them just a little more popular than the screeching camp constructs in Batman & Robin? Fantastic Four is not "camp" and if you think it is then you don't know what fucking camp is.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    If it as revealed that Herc wrote BATMAN FOREVER

    by YackBacker

    then he'd be a dumbass. But since that's not the case...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    You used camp, I didn't.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    And he wrote Lost In Space. Which is pretty damn similar in tone to the FF I'd like to see.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    if there were no more movies

    by emeraldboy

    this site would cease to exist.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    How it should be done

    by boardbrtn

    Either make it a family film (I may be incorrect in thinking this, but Fantastic Four seems like its Marvel's family friendly book) or make it as whacked-out sci fi as it can.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Batman Forever

    by rbottoms

    Still my favorite, bu tmainly die to the timing of the movie coinciding with my own mid-life changes. I have my own Bruce Wayne/Batman issues and I'm what I choose to be as well.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Good call Herc, Goldblum would be great.

    by Shermdawg

    Him, voice of Bruce Willis for a cg'd Thing, Naomi Watts for Sue, Joseph Gordon Levitt for Johnny, and maybe...if he could pull it off, and was available, Alan Rickman as Doom.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST



    I guarantee you you're the only one who wants to see more Lost in Space.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Have to be one hell of a reboot...

    by sonnyfern

    Those movies left bad tastes in EVERYONES mouths...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST


    by mattforce7

    I like you only for your name. And NO ONE should remake Zardoz, only reissue it as to command people to bow to its power

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    I'd keep

    by Hercules

    Chris Evans as Johnny. That guy is great.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    And Chiklis was perfect for Thing


    But I don't want to watch either of them in yet another Goldsman camp superhero disaster.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    I'd also keep

    by Stalkeye

    Chiklis, he was as much as convincing as B.Grimm as Evans was for Johnny.But with Goldsman helming this project it's gonna suck worse than tim story's version.Especially if Disney is backing this shit.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Neither Disney nor Marvel are involved in this


    All the decisions made on Fox's Marvel properties are Fox's. That's X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Elektra. The Marvel company itself has nothing to do with those.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    This project is happening to keep the FF out of Marvel's hands


    If Fox doesn't make another film within a certain time frame, the rights revert to Marvel. Fox is feeding the Fantastic Four to Akiva "Batman & Robin" Goldsman just to keep them away from Marvel for as long as they can. Marvel is their competitor now.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    I always thought the Invisible Girl should tower over The Thing! Oh wait. No. I didn't.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Do the guys who make these decisions actually watch movies?

    by Mr Gorilla

    Can they tell that, regardless of profit, SPIDERMAN 2 (to take an example) is a better movie than, say, FANTASTIC FOUR 2. If you had ANY discernment, you would surely be VERY wary of putting Goldsman near any blockbuster series, especially those involving superheroes.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Match made in heaven.

    by Spazatronik2000

    When's the Mark Johnson reboot of Captain America?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Match made in heaven.

    by Spazatronik2000

    When's the Mark Johnson reboot of Captain America?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Jack Kirby

    by simongarth2001

    I don't care for Goldsman at all....but if they fail to inject Kirby's designs into it, it is an instant fail. Dr. Doom should have been a classic villian.....instead, he was forgotten as soon as I reached the popcorn stand on my way out. FOX doesn't know how to make this work.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    I still remember audiences aplauding the end of X3 and FF2

    by Spazatronik2000

    That my friends, is how these hellish projects get off the ground.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Doom: Peter Stormare, Mads Mikkelsen, Thomas Kretschman

    by dailysportspages

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Richards: James Franco, John Cusack, Jude Law

    by dailysportspages

    3 Levels of star power. Depending on how big the budget is. Also gives you some play with the ages.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Doom: Alexander Skarsgaard, Gaspar Ulliel, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

    by dailysportspages

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Richards: Wes Bentley, James Caveziel, Adrien Brody,

    by dailysportspages

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Doom: Dolph Lundgren, Karel Roden, Kevin McKidd

    by dailysportspages

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST


    by BlueBallsinMyBloodEye

    Not only was the Thing a midget, how about the way you could see the wrinkles and folds in his 'rock'? A short dude encased in wrinkled foam-- that's what modern SFX have given us.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    What if Johnny Depp wanted to play Mister Fantastic?

    by dailysportspages

    Richards: Johnny Depp, Wentworth Miller <br> Doom: Paul Bettany, Til Schweiger <br> Thing: Danny McBride, Dominic Purcell <br> Sue: Katey Sackhoff, Jeniffer Morrison<br> Johnny: He was already perfectly cast<br>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    The_Genteel_Gentile, ALL OF HOPKIN’S MOVIES ARE CRAP…..

    by CarlThorMark1978

    It’s not my fault that you can’t recognize that. Craven, on the other hand, made A Nightmare on Elm Street (an all time classic) but also The Hills Have Eyes, Last House on the Left, The Serpent and the Rainbow and New Nightmare. A better resume then Mr. Hopkins I’d say. Also, your teaching credentials are highly suspect given that you fail to recognize that, despite Schumacher making one great film, Falling Down, every other example you sighted was a piece of shit. Then there is the fact that while Christopher Nolan took Batman (a fucking comic book character) and made an intelligent, well written, well acted and well Directed, Oscar winning classic, with The Dark Knight, the ex-hairdresser turned the same character into a leather fetish freakshow because he’s an incompetent moron who’s only good movies were a result of good scripts and casting. Oh and you forgot Phone Booth which was a very good movie. Schools out beyotch!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Goldsman needs to be stopped...

    by TopHat

    ...he has ruined far too many properties. We CANNOT allow him to become any more of a Hollywood player. Sooner or later this douche will start DIRECTING! Oh God. Oh God no... But, way to go Fox! Proving once again how utterly worthless you are! All bow down to the Rothman.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST


    by Ras_Al_Ghul

    I could not STAND Doctor Doom! He was such a pussy!!! They took a scary, thunderous epic villain filled with hate and fire and power and turned him into an appletini-sipping soap opera frenemy of the FF. I can role with anything, as long as we get a NEW DOOM!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Dustin Diamond as Mr. Fantastic

    by muggsly

    jsut sayin'

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Goldblum? I'd buy a ticket now.

    by The Only Woj

    I never even thought of that ... but that would be so awesome. I could easily buy him as the scientist, and then there's the fact it's Jeff Goldblum! My God. And Waltz as Doom? Where do I pre-order my ticket for this?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    CG Thing is the only way to go...

    by Snikkar124

    The Thing is supposed to hold his own agaainst Hulk..

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:46 a.m. CST

    These reboots are hilarious

    by MajorFrontbum

    Hopefully in a few years they'll reboot The Fantastic Four again. Can't these morons create anything new? Pathetic money hungry fools with no imagination or shame.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Rebooting 'The Fantastic Four'....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    = Good idea. Those movies sucked Donkey balls. Written by the guy who wrote 'Batman & Robin' = absolute shit idea. 'Batman & Robin' sucked every single nutsack on the face of the Earth. And also nutsacks on Mars. And Venus.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Christoph Waltz as Doom......

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    is the coolest fucking idea I've heard in a long time. That dude is truly for the win.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    OMG it's like putting out the fire

    by HagCeli

    with gasoline. Hollywood folks are out of their minds.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    I thought FF was okay.

    by Sal_Bando

    Nothing great, but at least watchable etc. Don't think Fox etc really knew what to DO w/ the franchise-so they went 'family friendly'. Watered down etc. This time out? CGI Ben Grimm. Do it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    McMahon wasn't great but

    by HagCeli

    <<Jeff Goldblum as Reed Richards and Christoph Waltz as Victor Von Doom>> are grotesque casting suggestions, dude! :)

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    no more please

    by The Amazing G

    we do not need another Fantastic Fucking Four movie, this was reaction to this news

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Which fuckstick at Marvel made that deal with Fox?

    by thedarklinglord

    How the hell do you just hand over some of your choicest properties to a studio - especially FOX - with the clause that they own the rights as long as they continue to crank out movies? Don't you at least put a quality clause in there, demanding that the movies not suck ass or the rights instantly revert back to Marvel? Guess we'll never see another good X-Men movie now, because Fox will continue to crank out those turdburgers as long as tasteless, standardless, dickless morons are allowed to purchase movies tickets.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Y'know a reboot might be interesting if done by

    by blakindigo

    Mark Waid.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Quality doesn't matter to empty suits...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    especially over at Fox.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    blakindigo, I agree with you about a lot of things

    by Continentalop

    But I will say John Byrne's FF kills Waid's. <P> And Kirby/Lee's FF tops theirs.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by MJohnson

    I mean, really...who gives a shit?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Jessica Alba as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman was AWFUL

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Probably the WORST casting in a superhero movie yet.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Hollywood will continually have to reimagine, reboot,

    by AlienDragQueen

    and remake movie franchises as long as it continues to employ shitty writers and filmmakers. Here's an idea! Give Neil Blomkamp, 5 million and full creative control and he would make the biggest, baddest Fantastic Four movie that would blow away anything the McGs, the Ratners, the Akiva Goldsmans, the Shawn Levys of Hollywood could ever possibly hope to make.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Jessica Alba as my house pet/lamp shade.....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    is good casting.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Will hope this blows up

    by Darth Busey

    And Brad Bird can do it for Disney/Marvel instead.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    It's official...

    by inneeduvasuperhero

    Rothman is the greatest villian in the history of Marvel

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Here's my cast! Clooney! Yes Clooney you read it right.

    by Damien Chowder

    The guy has proved himself time and time again after B&R. <p> Clooney is Reed and he doesn't even need to dye his hair. <p> Elizabeth Mitchell, Juliette from Lost for Sue. She looks brainy and slutty at the same time, has a great rack and can act. Remember "brainy and slutty" rare combo. <p> Chris Evans is great but you know how it goes.. They will not hire him for a reboot. So I'd give it to Shia Lebeouf.. Kidding! It has to to be Sean Faris from Never back down. Shit movie but this kid has screens presence. <p> Kurgen for Ben Grimm. No explanation needed. <p> Jurgen Prachnow of Das Boot for Doom. Better yet Just do Galactus, Nova and Silver Surfer and forget Doom. That FF arc hammered arse!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:06 a.m. CST


    by FiendishMilt37

    The_Genteel_Gentile, please saw your own face off. What a stupid, stupid man you are. Oh yeah, and Predator 2 blew. What an insipid, cliched load of tripe that was.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    if you really wanted to piss FANBOYS off...

    by Six Demon Bag

    you should have put OSCAR WINNING! in front of that

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Get it right this time.

    by Apple Octopus

    Make the Thing look like the Thing! The heart of the Fantastic Four was in issues #50 to #200. Hopefully, the writers will actually read them, before penning a script, but if they get "The Thing" right (his look and personality) the script could suck and I'd still go see it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Apple Octopus

    by Continentalop

    I think "issues #50 to #200" might be a typo by you. I imagine you meant #50 to #100. The FF started losing steam with Kirby & Lee around #100 and didn't regain that magic until John Byrne hit his stride sometime after issue #210.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    My suggestions to this reboot:

    by ricarleite2

    1- Make it gay. I mean gay as in homosexual. 2- A final, musical number always IMPROVES an action movie. 3- None of the Fantastic Four has any powers. 4- Wacky sidekick comic relieaf played by John Cusack. 5- Shoot it in digital video and rotoscope it. 6- 70 minutes long.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Jon Stewart as Reed Richards

    by palimpsest

    You know it makes sense.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    So sue me I like the FF movies

    by knowthyself

    Fun. Light hearted. Does everything have to be fucking broody and depressing with you people?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I meant issue #240

    by Continentalop

    For when John Byrne started to get his stride.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    I liked Batman Forever

    by photoboy

    It's a pity Schumacher wasn't allowed to re-cut the DVD version into the darker story he wanted. Getting rid of the cartoon sound effects would help too.<br><br> I think Forever is badly remembered these days because of its relation to Batman & Robin, which took all of the forgiveable little excesses in Forever and magnified them tenfold. Then, when people look back on Forever they just see all the same problems that B&R had, without seeing all of the positive aspects of the film.<br><br> Still, like Schumacher, Goldsman has shown he can be a competent writer when he wants to be. Let's hope he brings that competence to the F4 reboot.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    he also wrote "A Time To Kill" and "Cinderella Man"

    by thedude2010

    so don't crucify him for Batman and Robin.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Why not just make a third film with the orginal cast?

    by JettL93

    Seriously, if the contract with marvel is up in a few years instead of churning out a half assed reboot of a 4 year old series, why not just give us a third film in Tim Story's trilogy, Is FOX really wanting to set up another orgin story that they can't continue after Disney gets the rights back (unless maybe rothman's plans are too fuck up the movie so bad that when disney gets the rights people won't be interested in seeing a F4 film anymore?)<P>I know a lot of people aren't a fan of what Tim Story did, but honestly at this point that shouldn't matter for FOX, both of his films made money at the Box office, and didn't recieve 100 percent negtive reviews from critics. The smart business decision would be to pump out a third from an already established series (contracts/sets/production crew would still somewhat be in place) rather then start from scratch for a franchise they won't own in a few years anyways<P>and by the way, I like the Tim story films, and the second movie was one of the highlights from an otherwise shitty summer of 2007...not every superhero movie needs to be dark and brooding, sometimes its fun to just watch a fun comic book movie

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    BATMAN FOREVER: What could've been.

    by WineAndDine

    Wasn't the BATMAN FOREVER script supposedly awesome but it was Schmuck-mocker that destroyed it?!?!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST

    TheThing has to be CGI to rock.

    by ganymede3010

    This is one instance where I would prefer CGI.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Hackiva is bad news. Green is god news though.

    by polyh3dron

    Michael Green created Kings which was an AMAZING show.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I'm calling it now: Francis Lawrence will direct.

    by polyh3dron

    With these two guys involved it seems like the logical step. And he's a pretty good director.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    JettL93 - if they make a new film they keep the rights

    by JuanSanchez

    As long as they keep making films every so often they keep the rights. That's how it works with FF, Dardevil, and the X-Men characters they have the rights to.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Goldblum+Reed Richards=Comedy--NO THANKS!

    by ChezKing

    Please tell me you're joking with that cast suggestion. Retarded. Maybe 20 years ago, but today, you wouldn't be able to watch him in the role without laughing, and that's not the Fantastic Four we deserve on the silver screen.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Sounds like a Japanese puppy.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four is comedy. It will never work as a serious film.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    No care ever.

    by solanine

    Stand alone Silver Surfer movie with a Galactus that isn't a weather formation or gtfo.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    JuanSanchez - What kind of contract is that?

    by JettL93

    seriously someone at marvel years ago met with FOX and decided to give them that? They must have been strapped for cash at that point or it was before the superhero movie boom of the early 90's (Batman 89 set the boom in motion but it would tak another 10 years before we saw the real boom, coincidentaly with FOX's X-men) plus does that means FOX controls all of the X-men characters, because there is a hell of a lot of them, they can't all get orgins storys...or maybe they can?<P>So does anyone know the time limit, i mean is it 5 years, 10 years, does it at somepoint just revert back to marvel regardless? I remeber Roger corman had the rights but he lost them so maybe there is a clause in the contract (assuming it was a similar contract). <P>Honnestly Let's hope this fails, because if FOx can't make a profit then they might consider selling the franchise back to disney/Marvel, and disney has deep pockets. Rumour was that FOx was interested in selling back the Dardevil rights after DD and elektra bombed...although now that a rival studio owns the characters FOX will probabaly just decide to reboot DD to keep those rights too

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Time to Kill and Cinderlla Man were two pieces of shit too

    by chien_sale

    Just sayin'

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    So... whose suit should get the nipples?

    by JasonPratt

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST

    FF should have humor but not be a comedy

    by ChezKing

    Come on, we want to laugh but only at certain points in the movie. FF should be a fun adventure movie on the level of Iron Man but have good humor peppered throughout. It should not be a comedy. You want a funny Doctor Doom?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Re-reading the Byrne FFs now

    by I am_NOTREAL

    after 28 years. Good stuff still. He was smart on that book. A sprinkle of re-invention here and there, but still the core of what made it good to begin with. They should adapt issues 242-244 for the reboot.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Fox only has a handful of X-Men characters

    by JuanSanchez

    That's why this new X-Men: First Class won't feature the mutants from the comic series of the same name, but the same group we've seen as youngsters. Fox doesn't have the rights to the others. I don't know what the time limit is, but it is approaching. We're likely to see movement on Dardevil - likely another reboot.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Dr. Doom is made for comedy. The Hoff should play him.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Sue Storm's pussy tastes like sweet butter...

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    You better keep Mackey on, or he'll beat you with a tire chain.

  • Sony probabaly won't give up the spiderman rights because of the potential profits, but if disney went to FOX or Universal and said "listen here's 600 million if you give us back FF/Daredevil/HULK...none of those franchises are worth that much and if disney makes the offer at the right time someone like FOX might just accept it to cut their loses<P>opn the other hand, Marvel's deal with universal showed that some studios might be willing to work together to co produce the movie<P>Also what does this mean for Blade? I mean Warner's which owns DC also own the film rights to blade, maybe Warner's will decide to sell that contract back to disney, although i think disney is more interested in the lighter superhero's i'm sure they would still like film control of the darker ones like Blade and punisher (just distribute them through mirimax or create a new Marvel Knights studio

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Hercules is a shit sandwich

    by OceanWang

    Thanks for taking time off from jerking Joss Whedon to write this. I'm surprised your fingers weren't too sore to type. "The short guy from the shield"? How witty of you. You probably came up with that right after FF2 came out, and have been waiting all this time to use it. You should make jokes more often, because they're always such winners...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by Dharma4

    Doesn't that mean every superhero movie is going to PG because Disney is behind it... fuck Disney. fuck that mouse.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    John C Reilly as Ben Grimm

    by broken ear

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Charlene Theron as Sue Storm

    by broken ear

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    The FF #1 cover doesn't make sense...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...why would turning invisible help Sue Storm beat the monster? Who tied up Mr. Fantastic with ropes and how did they accomplish the task?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Clooney as Mr. Fantastic

    by broken ear

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Chris Pine as Johnny Storm

    by Sean38

    You KNOW he'd be perfect.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Chiklis has to stay. Everything else ..not.

    by ev1ldead

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    disney has done tons on PG-13 movies

    by JettL93

    One example that coems to mind are the national treasure movies... people might not like them, but i've never heard anyone say they are kid friendly. Plus disney owns Miramax, which constantly releases R rated movies all the time<P>yeah Disney is going to take advantage of the family friendly aspect of some of the characters (spider man, FF). But wer're not going to see a PG Dardevil or Punisher, infact Disney might try and not openly associate themselves with characters like that which means Filmakers that take on those characters will probabaly be given more freedom to do what they want...Geez must you internet fanboys hate everything that happens, thae your lips off your mom's tit and get out in the real world, you'll find it's really not as scary as you've made yourself believe it is

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by Powerring

    The first two fantastic four movies were so stupid, they were a throwback to the Roger Corman version. Now it's time to get an FF made on par with Dark Knight, you know: a superhero movie with a real plot, real villains and aimed at adults, not 6 year olds.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    rock nipples on thing!

    by alice 13

    great move by fox. <p>make the first 2 look like masterpieces.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    What is "FF4"?

    by bah

    One F for "Fantastic", a 4 for "Four"...What's the other F? For that matter, why is "Independence Day" abbreviated to ID4? I get that July 4 is Independence Day in the US, but then why not IDJ4? Maybe it's too confusing with Indiana Jones 4, but that was also a stupid movie about aliens, so what's the difference?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Good thing I don't care about the FABULOUS FOUR...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...these guys get slapped around more than David Carradine's Bankok ladyboy.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Fantastic 4

    by Semen Stains

    Gotta be up there as some of the shitiest comic book characters ever imo.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    A reboot already?


    Fucking christ. Just let it go.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    ...OceanWang, are you...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the "tiny fellow from “The Shield”? Because if not that's a really weird comment to be upset about. Very weird.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by scors54

    Randy Couture as Ben Grimm? he's done some acting (on "The Unit", he was actually pretty good) and he does have a pretty prominent role in "The Expandables". Plus, hell, he's certainly right for it physically.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by scors54

    Sorry--Meant "The Expendables"...the "Expandables" would star Jason Alexander and Delta Burke.Edit feature?????

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Why do any more Marvel stories as anything other than Pixar??

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Except those already in the pipeline? Seriously? A Pixar-animated FF would be miles better than any live-action version. Hell, the Incredibles itself was miles better than both FF movies put together plus Spider Man 3.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    January Jones as Sue Storm

    by oblivious1972

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Michael C. Hall as Reed Richards

    by oblivious1972

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Tahmoh Penikett as Ben Grimm

    by oblivious1972

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Goldsman can almost be forgiven as

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Hancock was just an all around great movie. And yeah, reboot after only two movies made just a couple years ago does not scream confidence for your product.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    The FF franchise is boring as hell

    by Norm

    Maybe it's better in the comics, but there was just nothing in the 2 films that ever caught my attention. What exactly is the point of the reboot? To fill another 2 hours with mindless banter and boring explosions and no plot?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    You don't get to just "reboot" a franchise whenever you want

    by LeCercleRouge

    It worked for "Incredible Hulk" but that film played like a sequel, if you wanted it to, or a reboot, if you wanted it to. FF is lame anyway. I don't think it's possible to make an interesting film out of this dumb franchise

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Can't a brother get a decent FF movie?

    by SpyGuy

    Gee, nothing says "quality comic book adaptation" like Akiva FUCKING Goldsman. What will Galactus be this time? A giant spider? A protoplasmic blob? A big Twinkie?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    One thing should remain...

    by Dead Megatron

    I really do think that Julian McMahon was on the spot perfect as Victor von Doom. Everything else I don't care about...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Perfect FF Cast

    by JettL93

    This will never happen simply because of Budget and the mixing of old cast with new in some kind of retconibootquel, but anyways here it goes Mr Fantastic - Bruce Greenwood<P> Invisible woman - Niaomi watts<P> Human torch - Chris Evans<P> The Thing - Go CGI but keep Chiklis as the voice<P> Dr. Doom - Stellan Sarsguard<P> Don't get me wrong, for the most part i liked the cast of the first 2 films Grufford's only fault was being too young for the role (although ironically, he might look better for the part now then he did 4 years ago) but i never thought his acting was bad, infact i thought he was the strongest "actor" in the entire cast. I would however replace him with Bruce greenwood, some would say clooney would be perfect but he's too much of a star and besides pumping the budget up higher it would also turn into a "clooney film" the FF should be equal. Greenwood has always been a great actor but with star trek he proved that he can play a part in a big summer movie and he carries a certin intelligence and power that grufford lacked<P>Alba was my least favourite of the orginal cast, i could look past it because she was hot, but when it comes down to it, she was a bad choice, a more womanly acress like Niaomi watts would fit in much better as well as be closer in age to Greenwood and not appear younger then johny storm <P>There's no reason whatsoever to change Human torch, Evans looks the part as well as carries that cockiness the character needs, they would never keep him for a reboot (although it worked for bond with judi dench) but it's a shame we'll never see more chris evans as johnny storm. Lord knows who they will cast in this role, probabaly hayden christenson or somebody else like that who will only dissapoint...oh crap Fox loves itself some hayden, it's gonna be him in the role isn't it?<P>It was a maistake to go practical effects with the thing, but it's understandable due to Budget as well as technology at the time (almost 5 years ago since production began) however height aside, i thought chiklis was great in the role, he made a nice ben grimm, its just once in the suit he was never convincing as a giant walking rock because he was short and the suit never looked quite right. I would say keep chiklis as Ben grimm in human form and once he becomes the thing go CGI (like Incredible huk did last summer) but keep chiklis as the voice<P> Dr Doom was terrible in the first 2, i don't entirly blame the actor because most of his bad parts were scripts and stry based, but that aside we need a stronger actor in the role i'd go with stellen sarsguard, he is a good actor and can convey that slimey eveil side to him<P>as for a director, how about tony Scott, he can do action properly and is a name director without being overly expernsive or hard to work with, he;; he might even bring along denzel washington for a bit part

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Yeah this is great...

    by Logan_1973

    Let's hire the writers of the worst movie ever made to reboot a lame superhero team. This is great...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    LOL or CRY, I'm not sure. --Perhaps BOTH.

    by JDanielP

    Looks down, shakes head.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    the level of suck inherent to this reboot

    by palewook

    already requires the reboot be rebooted before its filmed...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    fantastic 4 #2 The nagging wife

    by skiff

    was it just me or was fantastic 2 all about a nagging girlfriend/wife. It was like hanging around with a friend and his girlfriend and she won't stop bitching.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Akiva is a jewish name. It gained popularity as a name due to the influence of a very well known and respected rabbi, Akiva ben Joseph, one of the earliest founders of rabbinical Judaism.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And not just Akiva ben Joseph, there was also another very well known rabbi called Akiva Eger. The popularity and respect the two Akiva rabbis later made the name popular among jews.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by FlickaPoo

    ...THE TWO AKIVAS SHALL BE RESPECTED!!...I don't know what I'm talking about.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Who needs the Fantastic Four when we have the Incredibles?

    by trombone

    Welcome to the new era of geekdom. The golden decade 1999-2009 is over. <br> <br> Disney buying Marvel is really hitting me hard.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Do they have to be theatrical releases to maintain...

    by JediRob

    ...the rights? Or I wonder can they crap out some straight to video stuff to keep it going. Man I didn't realize they had them forever. That is quite the deal.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Disney buying marvel is a good thing

    by JettL93

    they understand the profits in the brand, they aren't going to rape it, and having all the characters under one studio is eventually goin to be awesome since it will all be in the same world

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    One thing completly pissed me off in FF2

    by AsimovLives

    The Silver Surfer shows up and threathens the world, and the FF guys leave the marriage to help save mankind. And Sue/Invisible Woman, what is her reaction toward the new threath to mankind? she gets anoyed and teary-eyed that her marriage was ruined. Fuck mankind, all she cares is her marriage. Can anybody reminds me why i should feel any sympathy for this bitch?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Hancock sucked fat goat cock


    Who are we kidding? The movie was fucking dreadful...what a total misfire. In every way imagineable. How can anyone defend that steaming heap of fetid camel cock?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I like Laurie or Greenwood....

    by wookie1972

    They're both excellent suggestions. But I'm surprised that no one has made the most obvious suggestion: Jon. Motherfucking. Hamm.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    How the fuck people liked that bullshit?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    About Ben Grimm...

    by crazypants

    Ben and Reed are friends prior to accident and should be the same age. Ben in human form was also an A#1 stud - tall and well-built and good looking - thus the tragedy of his becoming a "Thing" while his buddies remained human looking. Finally even as the Thing, Ben is only 6ft tall or so, so a huge 9ft tall CGI monster would be wrong. So if keeping original cast - Chiklis, though a fine actor, is too old and short and ugly - think Eddie Cibrian / Paul Walker / Patrick Wilson as Ben (all of those guys born in 1973 like Gruffudd).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    No, Disney won't rape Marvel. The fear is that they will neuter it.<br> <br> And how does Disney buying Marvel make all the rights to the characters magically revert to Marvel?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Fox has announced the new cast and director

    by JettL93

    just read this over at chud: <P>Keanu Reeves as Mr Fantastic<P> Jessica simpson as sue storm<P> Justin Long as Human Torch<P> Dwayne "the rock" johnson as The Thing<P>Tom Berrenger as dr Doom<P>they start production in december and the entire thing is being helmed by Lee Tamahori

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Let's Put Things in Perspective

    by TinkerTIW

    I live near the California brushfires and I consider this the most frightening news of the day.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10 a.m. CST


    by Iowa Snot Client

    ...person to bring up Udo Kier on this talkbalk.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    AP: Brittney Spears set to star in Marvels Dazzler!

    by ganymede3010

    -At this years comic-con Marvel super Producer Kevin Feige caused an industry uproar when he hinted at the possibility of a major female pop star assuming the role of the mutant Dazzler. The rumored Director Michael Bay insisted that everything must coincide within the boundaries of reality. Here's a quote from the rumored Director himself."Well, first off, I don't really like Mutants, so I'm not going to shoot her orchestrating the hypnotizing light shows that she's know for. Instead, I'm going to to have her utilize a mini-gun equipped with a state of the art launcher that dispatches nano-infused force detonators". Dazzler is set to be released on February 14 2012.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I don't care who plays Dr. Doom...

    by Blue_Demon

    As long as he is voiced by Rade Serbedzija. Every time I read a comic with Doom in it I hear his voice.<p>I second Naomi Watts as Sue Storm.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Disney to buy Marvel for $4 billion

    by effector12

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Dear Akiva Goldsman,

    by phool2056

    I know it's hard, dealing with temperamental Hollywood people, and I don't know how much control you really had over the long list of shitty movies attached to your name, but if you bring Arnold out of retirement and paint him orange to have him play Ben Grimm, I will go on an unstoppable rampage through every media store in Southern California, smashing every DVD copy of every movie you've ever made. Yeah, I remember what ought to be one of the most poignant bat-villains shouting "chill" at a nipple-suited, bored-looking George Clooney. You have something to prove, young man. Prove us all wrong. Please. Please do.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    effector12- dude are you seriously thinking thats news?

    by YackBacker

    Have you ever been to this site before? Go re-read the front page articles.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    the whole comic book movie thing

    by HerbWestAustin

    is coming to an end. you can't perpetuate success forever.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Everyone is missing the funniest bit in all this

    by The Garbage Man

    ...where Media Messiah is now taking credit for the Disney/Marvel deal. Just when you thought he couldn't possibly get more delusional...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I never understood...

    by lprothro

    ...all of the criticism projected toward the first too films for being "too silly"? Unhh... that's exactly how the source material is. It's campy, kid-friendly and cartoony. Not every Marvel character translates well to film. FF shouldn't go past the realm of tv/animation.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    They'll make it, even if it goes straight to DVD

    by fiester

    Marvel sold the souls of those characters. Don't expect ot ever get them back.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Jetl93 is spot on with that cast

    by Beezbo

    Amen, brother.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    -bangs head against the wall-

    by Anna Valerious


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Worst scene in the 2 films

    by Beezbo

    When the entire FF couldn't get out of a locked room in FF2 and had to trick a single guard in order to escape. Awful.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Batman Forever wasn't that bad....

    by amrisharmpit

    It had the best script of the original four Batman movies (which isn't saying much, granted). But it should be noted that the original script was written not by Goldsman, but Lee and Janet Scott Batchler. Goldsman was brought in by Schumacher because he wanted Two-Face (the Batchlers' draft featured only the Riddler) and to include more humor. Kilmer was the most physically convincing of any of the Batmen, including Bale, since he practiced martial arts in real life. I also thought the stuff with Robin was well-done. The film had some other problems - campy humor, garish production design and music - but the studio forced Schumacher to make the film kid-friendly. He even had to cut scenes out that would have made the film darker.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by Rickey Henderson

    Just keep on starting from scratch. That'll fix it. And maybe if we're lucky we'll actually see a Marvel comic book movie with pre-established backstory that actually GOES SOMEWHERE by the year 2035.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978 -> re Schumacher & new FF

    by Cellar Door

    You missed one on that TBer's list: The Lost Boys. I presume you missed it cause if you actually think it sucks then I think you've got a hate fetish on JS (not that this is necessarily undeserved after the B&R debacle but everyone knows a broke watch is correct 2 times a day, etc). TLB is a much better film than Falling Down (which is excellent up till the 3rd act where it's just 'good'). But I do agree that most of the rest of his resume leaves much to be desired.<p>I know you guys love Chiklis but I have to say I hated him as the Thing. You realize it was Chiklis who supposedly convinced Story not to go with a CGI Thing? I'm not saying it would have been perfect as CGI but holy shit would it have been better than the orange painted football pad shit they used for FF1&2. Evans is perfect. Too perfect really and any time Johnny shows up it should be Evans. He's also the most talented actor in the previous FF films so give the role to him if he wants it. For the Thing, I don't know about specific people and I'm mostly unfamiliar with the comics but isn't he a big guy? Not Wolverine height? As in over 6' tall? And HUGE? 500+ lbs? Marvel directory lists him as 6' and 500lbs straight up. No, he simply cannot be shorter than the Invisible Girl/Woman.<p>I think the most critical casting is Doom. But then just like FF made decent actors look terrible and beautiful girls look creepy, my guess is unless they get a stellar director, it can only get worse.<p>Oh yeah..count me as someone who can appreciate Batman Forever. But that's mainly cause of Drew Barrymore and Debbie Mazar slinking around in white and leather lingerie and a ridiculous over the top performance by Jones. Hate O'Donnel though and never really liked the guy who played Alfred in the pre-Nolan Batflicks (Caine is just perfect casting to me).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Dark and Brooding

    by Mr.FTW

    I get so sick of people saying that all comic book movies don't have to be dark and brooding like that is all people want. Comic movies don't all have to be like the Dark Knight, in fact I think most comic fans don't want that. What they want is for the movies to be good. Iron Man is a great example, Tony Stark isn't dark or brooding in that, it was true to the source material and it was an awesome movie. Both FF moviess were horribly scripted and cast and were sub par movies all the way around. The Shumaucher Batman movies were terrible concepts and poorly executed. X3 had no plot and Wolverine wasn't much better not to mention some of the worst fx and cg in over 10 years. Those movies aren't "light and fun" they're just bad. Comic fans don't want dark and brooding for everything they just want good movies that are faithful to the source material.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Ughh here we go again...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Waltz as Doom would certainly rock though... Doom scared the crap outta me as a kid when I read those comics. I also vote for a CG/Kirby Ben Grimm.. without the comedy-sized teeth. Oh.. and lose the campiness while you're at it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    And no more origins!

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Opening scene.. live-action cover of FF #1 followed by a 5 min. origin montage.. then move on to the good stuff if there is any.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Akiva Goldshit is actually a step up...

    by Ecto-1

    Considering how incredibly crap the two Fantastic Four films were, bringing on franchise killer Akiva Goldshit is actually a small step up. Y'know, like stepping from cow shit into dog shit.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Do I have to set myself on fire like a resistant monk?

    by gusradio

    I'm beginning to passionately hate this world

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    i will say it: DISTRICT 9 SUCKED


    for the most part...there i said it- all of you turds where so over hyped, i think you forgot to watch the movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Release the 1994 version instead!

    by ricarleite2

    No one will notice the difference.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    So what does this mean for the silver surfer spin off

    by JettL93

    It was supposed to spin off from the end of F42 and that was where FOX wanted to take the F4 franchise instead of doing a straight up F43. But now that this is announced is FOX still going to go ahead with silver surfer? and if they are does that mean it will also be rebooted or will it still take place in the tim story universe which is now no longer going to be the current universe of the films making a silver surfer film not mesh with the current fantastic four films anymore... see FOX this is why it's just easier to make a third F4 film with the orginal cast, hire a new director and make it less campy if you want but in this case a reboot of the franchise hjust gets too confusing

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by HapaPapa72

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by HapaPapa72

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Ali Larter as Susan Storm?

    by HapaPapa72

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    And now to our new entertainment correspondent

    by BeastOfGevaudan

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Have Christopher McCulloch (aka Jackson Publick)

    by Dingbatty

    and Eric "Doc" Hammer write the script, as they really understand these jet age properties. Read this interview in which Jackson Publick described how he'd handle FF:<p><p>"...Reason: What's a more sincere treatment of the Fantastic Four - your sociopathic and screwed-up version, or the 2005 movie version? <p> JP: Before that movie came out, I thought the best way to do a Fantastic Four movie would be to go full on, Peyton Reed Down With Love with it. Make it take place unapologetically in 1962, us this slick over-designed world as the setting, and make it a comedy. Because those characters are ridiculous. You're never going to get a guy who stretches to be anything but wicked funny. It's a little hard for me to feel the supposed gravity of those situations they get into with a guy named Dr. Doom, for Christ's sake! I go back and forth between thinking whether or not comedy is brave or cowardice in terms of an approach to subject. I guess it depends on what you do with it. Certainly Dr. Strangelove was a form of comedic bravery..."

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Perfect Cast

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    Bruce Greenwood as Reed Richards January Jones as Sue Storm Seth Rogen as The Thing Chris Evans as The Human Torch Viggo Mortensen as Doctor Doom Zachary Quinto as Namor

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    What a bad week for Comics.....

    by the1980mutant

    I'm ready to leave the planet now.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    They should get Soderbergh...

    by JustinSane

    ...wasn't he interested in making the first one before they went with Story?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by JustinSane

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Yeah... Seth Rogen as The Thing...

    by PessimusGrime

    ...Except he isn't all rocky, that's just too old school. Also he wears these ratty, but kewl old retro t-shirts and he sits around smoking a bong and making seemingly ironic but actually somewhat pedestrian quips all day. Oh! And he also plays video games and watches a lot of porn. The kids'll love it!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by LouisCedar

    Hancock was a great movie (with the awkward reveal of the "twist" keeping it from being amazing), Heroes is a great show and all signs point to the Green Lantern flick that Green also wrote being'm not quite seeing the bad in this news (Besides the fact that it's a Fox flick, of course). What, Akiva Goldsman? If you are seriously going to blame HIM for how awful Batman and Robin is, then you're mind is warped. It was The studio Big-Wigs at the WB who mandated Goldsman to make a ridiculous, campy, kid-friendly bat-flick. I Am Legend, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man, and The Client prove that Goldsman can deliver the goods when he's not writing with someone else's agenda in mind. I only hope that Fox leaves him alone and lets him write a great FF movie instead of pushing their mandates onto him and forcing him to write a mediocre one. And I'm going to have to agree with Herc: Keep Chris Evans. He's amazing as Johnny Storm.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Soderbergh's FF movie! LOL!

    by YackBacker

    Clooney as Reed, Brad Pitt as Johnny Storm, Elliot Gould as The Thing and Casey Affleck as Sue Storm. Adorable.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    "Hancock was a great movie..."

    by YackBacker

    That's where I stopped taking anything else seriously. Sorry, HANCOCK was dumb, uneven action. Punching a kid into the air for a gag and him coming back down to Earth without any physical injuries? Hancock can't open a car door without ripping it off. Please, it's mild-brained nonsense. And HEROES was a great show for 24 episodes in its first season. And then it completely lost its way. But as for saying Goldsman was above reproach with his AWFUL scripts for the BATMAN movies... well you're pushing it beyonf credible now.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Chris columbus at one point was attached to direct

    by JettL93

    whatever happend to that, he may have produced the first movie but whatever happend to him directing, did he turn it down so he could direct i love you beth cooper

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST


    by DatoMan413

    First point. BATMAN AND ROBIN SUCKED THE SWEAT FROM A DEAD MAN'S BALLS (thanks, Good Morning Vietnam). It was like they paid no attention to what could make it a good movie and paid attention to everything that was wrong with Batman Forever and said DO THAT! Bad script, bad direction, and did I mention a BAD SCRIPT? When they got to the revelation that Alfred had stage one of the disease that only the VILLIAN CAN CURE, I walked out, only to return because the concession stand was closed! Every charatization was badly done, and don't even get me started on DA GOV (Biggest missed opportunity: not getting Patrick Stewart). It came close to shotening Clooney's career, but he rebounded real well (hey, I did Batman and Robin and still managed to get an Oscar later!). So when I see Akiva could be attached to the FF, I just wanna get my shotgun.<br><br>Second point. I'm a big FF honk from childhood, and I was pissed when I found out the Thing wasn't CGI. That one issue kept a lot of discussion going around here. I still think they should have went that way, even though I didn't hate Chiklis in the role because the heart of Ben Grimm was there, if not the look. But anyone who's seen Gollum and especially Davey Jones knows that CGI will work. And at this point, why not try it?<br><br>Both FF movies were okay. Just okay. They could be better, but I just don't see that with AG writing. But we'll see, I guess.<br><br>End of Sermon.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever has not aged well at all...

    by Mrhazard

    I actually liked BF a lot when it was released but I tried watching it for 5 minutes not too long ago and it was impossible... Dark Knight has ruined all other Batman movies for me (even the Burton ones to some extent)...<p>And I was not aware that Forever was initially supposed to be a darker film. Always thought Schumacher got too much blame for the Batman movies he did (as AWFUL as they were)...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin's problem was Schumacher

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    He wanted campy, he got campy. From everyone, Goldsman was probably just whoring himself out.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin's problem was Schumacher

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    He wanted campy, he got campy. From everyone, Goldsman was probably just whoring himself out.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by LouisCedar

    Wow, it looks like SOMEbody hasn't quite reached their nerdbitchrant quota of the day. Sure, it's a bit of a head-scratcher that the kid was alright if you think about it for too long, but then again so is the fact that Hancock can fly, that he's immortal, that he's invulnerable, and that he's apparently a god of some sort. Seriously friend, he CAUGHT the kid. If he would have hit the ground then sure, you'd have a valid point beyond pretentious nerdbitching but in a world where a guy can fly and rip off car doors with his bare hands, it's a tad bit ridiculous to complain about the realism of that scene. When you're done being pretentious give me a holler, then we can have an ACTUAL debate.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Cellar Door re; The Thing

    by Talkbacker with no name

    No he is exactly Wolverine height.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, ZZZARDOZZZ!

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    That INVISIBLE WOMAN FIGURE from Sideshow Collectibles?

    by DatoMan413

    THAT IS SOOOO WRONG.<br><br>I might have it on my desk just long enough for my wife to brain me with it.<br><br> But Honey...<br><br> WHACK!<br><br> It's Sue!<br><br> WHACK!<br><br> It's art!<br><br> WHACK!<br><br> erruh, buh, baby let me ex...<br><br> thud.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Go eat a dick, CarlThorMark1978!

    by Talkbacker with no name

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Only saving grace for Batman Forever would be..

    by Stalkeye

    ..Kilmer's portrayal of Bats, much better than flabby faced Keaton or Wobbling head Clooney.Anyone who disagrees, should go back to the scene in which two face tries to kill Batamn during that scene Kilmer rises among the flames with a pissed off look on his face.If it wasn't for the shitty script,bad dialog "chicks love the car",and neon lit stages,BF would have prolly beaten all the previous Burton Batman movies.Batman & Robin does not count as it is the worse of all.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Ah. So...

    by Organs

    ...does this mean that Joel Schumacher isn't entirely to blame for the two shitty Batman movies?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker With No Name

    by Continentalop

    Are you being sarcastic? If not, you are just flat wrong. Wolverine is not the Things height. Like Cellar Door mentioned, the Thing is 6' tall; Wolverine is listed at 5'3". That is why he is called "runt" and "shorty" in a lot of comics.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST sure?

    by Cellar Door

    Cause Marvel directory, which is a site a guy created that basically transposes the Marvel encyclopedia online, says he's 500lbs and 6' (as the Thing) and, correct me I'm wrong but isn't wolverine like 5'3" or so? (MD lists him as 5'3", etc)? Even still...they should use some degree of CGI to make his skin not look like old vinyl football pads (that crinkle in the bend of Chiklis's suit reminds me exactly of the way that rubber/nylon padding folded when bent).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Continentalop I'll redo that

    by Talkbacker with no name

    The thing's height depends on who is drawing him

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Hot to make money not SHIT:


    <p> Reed Richards: Tom Hanks </p><p> Ben Grimm/The Thing: Bruce Willis </p><p> Sue Storm: Charlize Theron </p><p> The Human Torch: Leonardo Di Caprio </p><p> Doctor Doom: Daniel Day-Lewis OR Ralph Fiennes </p><p> Namor: Keanu Reeves </p><p> PG 13 Family entertainment Directed by Spielberg. </p><p> Millions in the fucking bank. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah Ben is average height...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Which is why those Hulk/Thing fights were so rad back in the day... kinda like a bulldog fighting a rottweiler.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Not that I advocate dog fighting...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Because I don't.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    My above reply

    by Talkbacker with no name

    Is like a talkbackers why of saying he is wrong without admitting it :)

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by HapaPapa72

    Charlize as Sue Storm...nice. Mickey Rourke as The Thing. How about some True Blood... Vampire Bill guy as Reed Richards... Paquin as Sue Storm The Jason Stackhouse guy as Johnny Storm... Vampire Eric as Dr. Doom

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    And speaking of True Blood...

    by HapaPapa72

    How about casting Lizzy (sigh) Caplan as Alicia Masters... with several nudes scenes, please.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    LouisCedar, he punched the kid too

    by YackBacker

    Super strength breaks bones. Have a nice day.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Enough with the Thing being giant

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It aint necessarily so

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    If you think Fantastic Four should be a comedy...

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    John Byrne's Thing

    by fiester

    That's always been the definitive Thing for me. May not have been the first, but it was the best. And it was pretty imposing-looking fellow; certain not a guy-in-a-suit imposing either.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    You don't like comic books.

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    That "Doc" Hammer guy is 50% right. It's cowardice to make slapstick out of an idea that's easily pegged as modern comedy. This goes for Fantastic Four, Green Hornet, and the Schumacher Batman movies. As John Byrne says, a writer only calls a character silly or impossible to write if he himself is a bad writer. Love it or hate it, Abrams' Star Trek is high-gloss kitschy fun packaged in a believable and tense way. Same goes for Iron Man. Use this tone for Fantastic Four, and you'll get good stuff. The Surfer movie wasn't awful, but the FF casting is just abysmal.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    6 feet is average height?

    by JettL93

    Isn't the average height like 5"10 or something, making the thing even at 6 feet above average and tall<P>but whatever i'm 6'5" so even the thing at 6 feet is short to me, hahaha i'm awesome

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by HaterofCrap

    stupid fucking metaphor.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever Musical Score

    by Autodidact

    I think the musical score is one of the movie's more redeeming qualities. I like how crazy it is. The worst thing about Batman Forever, besides the writing and most of the design work, is Tommy Lee Jones' performance.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by WilliamZabkaRox

    Fantastic Four: The Return Of The Nipples So Batman is rebooted with the great Chris Nolan and Fantastic Four rebooted with the man who helped bring down the Batman franchise? Both Fantastic Four movies were WAY better than the final two original Batman movies however they ruined Dr. Doom. I liked the guy from The Shield too. Great for his role.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    JettL93 you are 6ft 5!?

    by Talkbacker with no name

    you are not awesome. you are a freak! You a skinny one or one of those chunky square men?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    The tiny fellow from the Shield? WTF?

    by PorkChopXpress

    Dude...Herc you are quite often a moron. Michael Chiklis is awesome, as was The Shield. I mean, I know it's no BUFFY, but shit...among names like Jessica Alba and Chris Evans, Chiklis is a fucking TITAN.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by Talkbacker with no name

    It does if you install something new.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by theplant


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Someone actually wrote Batman & Robin?

    by WickedJester

    I thought they made it up as they went along...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    What's with the Beautiful Mind hate?

    by MattmanReturns

    Thought it was a pretty decent film. And it was the role that finally made Jennifer Connelly a household name... so that can't be bad.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST


    by ironic_name

    good name.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST



    Ok there has been some decent suggestions on whom to play Doom, but Christoph Waltz is ABSOLUTELY the best choice if you don't think so you obviously have not seen inglorious Bastards, someone mentioned Mads Mikkelsen, he would be my number two choice.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by mrm1138

    You wrote: "Do the guys who make these decisions actually watch movies?"<p>I've gotten the impression that, for the most part, the higher you go up on the hierarchy in the entertainment industry, the less the people involved actually care about the art form. You can have some killer conversations about films with production assistants, but executives just want to talk about their boats or their vacations to Europe.</p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit about Fantastic Four when...


    We'll finally be getting parachutes in GTA IV!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    For Fuck's Sake GET THE THING RIGHT this time!!!

    by BenBraddock

    How fucking hard can it be???!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    No topic yet for Joel Silver's...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Swamp Thing: 3-D? They'd better hire Wrightson if they have half a brain.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    No shit. Give a sculptor some Kirby drawings. Sculpt it. Scan it. Make it move around. Win.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    The Prior FF Film Concept

    by Autodidact

    I remember reading on this site circa 2002 that the FF movie would be a 60s period piece directed by the guy who did Down With Love. If you forget that movie, here is some footage: <p>That is a movie I would like to see. Doubt that will be the concept for the reboot, but I will keep my fingers crossed nontheless.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Bad cast idea

    by Powerring

    Reed Richards: Tom Hanks $20 Million Ben Grimm/The Thing: Bruce Willis $20 Million Sue Storm: Charlize Theron $5 million The Human Torch: Leonardo Di Caprio $15 Million Doctor Doom: Daniel Day-Lewis OR Ralph Fiennes $5 million Namor: Keanu Reeves-bad choice for $5million PG 13 Family entertainment Directed by Spielberg. Millions in the fucking bank. --Um no. So far that's $70 million blown on a shitty cast choice.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    What AICN DOESN'T want you to know!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>AICN LOVES to find people to pick on and bash them mercilessly and eternally. I'm not defending Akiva Goldsman, just pointing out AICN's hypocrisy in these matters.</p><p>IN ADDITION to the aforementioned projects, Akiva Goldsman has ALSO produced I Am Legend, Jonah Hex, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Constantine and Deep Blue Sea. He wrote the screenplays for The Davinci Code, Angels & Demons, I Robot, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man and A Time to Kill.</p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Does "reboot" imply...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...redoing the origin story? Or is it just referring to recasting? Origin stories are such a tired slog. Just jump in. We don't need to be told about how powers are acquired yet again.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name...

    by JettL93

    Body builder type, not Ferigno size but hope to get there one day..fuck, I should be The Thing

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    "How hard can it be???"

    by MattmanReturns

    Well... giant rock man... stretchy man... invisible chick... dude who bursts into flames... not the easiest thing to keep from being cheesy. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I can see the difficulty there. There was no excuse for how two dimensional Doom was, though.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by Talkbacker with no name

    Oh one of them square men. far out.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Who is the stupid bastard....

    by Orbots Commander

    ...who gave away Marvel character film rights IN PERPETUITY?!?! <p> Really, who the hell makes that kind of deal?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    This has NO chance of being good.

    by Orbots Commander

    Akiva Goldsman AND Tom Rothman's Fox? Guys, this is going to be worse than BATMAN & ROBIN. It doesn't matter who the director is; it has zero chance of being even a halfway decent movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    The others were fine, more or less

    by BenBraddock

    Mr.Fantastic wasn't great, but worked OK; the Torch and Sue were actually not bad. But the Thing... sorry, but a guy in a rubber suit in a major studio release in this day and age is just not on! It's not like Fox had budget issues. I'm no big CGI fan, I think it's way over-used in fact, and prefer practical whenever possible -- but GOOD practical! Look at the LOTR saga, or Hagrid in the HP films, great things can be done with character size, digitally. Or maybe mo-cap is the way forward for the Thing, or have a rubber suit if you must but build on it digitally... just use the Kirby classic designs and GET IT RIGHT! He's kind of the backbone of the FF and deserves more than the shoddy treatment the series has given him so far.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Regarding Sue: I mean the effects only, of course!

    by BenBraddock

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Can we finally get Elizabeth Banks as sue?

    by Adelai Niska

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Are you listing those movies in defence of Akiva Goldsman? Because you think they prove he's not all shit??<P> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!<p> **long breath in** <p> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Kate Winslet for Invisible Woman

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I'm so glad l.a. is burning

    by alienindisguise

    that whole city needs to be wiped out for the dumb shit it keeps throwing at us. Fuck throwing water on the fire, throw the dumb fuck execs that keep making these retarded choices!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    And who was the fucking retard

    by spud mcspud

    who said PREDATOR 2 was kind of good? You fucking CRETIN!<P> PREDATOR 2 was so shit on so many levels they're still trying to measure, with existing technology, the extent of how shit it is. It turns out there may not be enough shit in the universe to compare that movie to. The CERN particle accelerator is designed specifically to measure the amount of suck that PREDATOR 2 generated upon its release, and whether or not it poses a threat to the rest of reality.<P> The theory is that the potentiality of Bill Paxton combined with the greatness of Gary Busey (to the power of an early Adam Baldwin cameo multiplied by the scene with King Willy being done in) is all that saved the universe from disappearing up its own arse when PREDATOR 2 was released. The experiment at CERN will slam two opposing, specially created, James Cameron-chaperoned 3D Imax developed PREDATOR 2 prints directly at each other at the speed of meh. The resulting suckage should be contained by two rings running the entire film ouvre of Vin Diesel in perpetuity - the ration of greatness to suckage holding the P2 potentiality implosion in stasis whilst examination is carried out.<P> Even a black hole cannot withstand the mass suckage that is PREDATOR 2. Nothing Stephen Hopking, Bill Paxton or Danny Glover can EVER do will undo it. Worst movie - worst sequel - worst ACTING of all time. Scientifically proven, stone cold solid gold FACTAGE. With added FACT.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    REVENGE_OF_FETT - In fairness to you

    by spud mcspud

    Here's why they suck:<P> I Am Legend - Read the novel. The movie sucked. Oh, and the CGI was SHITE.<P> Jonah Hex - They fired the CRANK guys and Akiva polished it? And Megan Fox is required to ACT? FAIL.<P> Mr. & Mrs. Smith - Whilst there is a certain satisfaction to seeing Brad Pitt hoof Anglelina in the stomach with all his might - then watch her beat seven shades of shit out of him in return - the movie was a bit limp. Admit it.<P> Constantine - Not a fucking patch on the graphic novels. Have you even READ any of the sources of these movies you're hurling up in Akiva's defence, ROF??<P> Deep Blue Sea - A good chunk of cheesy cheesiness, best enjoyed on Saturday night with friends, pizza and beer. Lots of beer. But basically, a bit shit.<P> The Da Vinci Code - Unforgivably dull. Shit.<P> Angels & Demons - As above, so below. Shit.<P> I Robot - Asimov greatness made bland and slick. Aw HEEEEELL Naw. And they even managed to force Alex Proyas to make his first boring movie. Alex fucking Proyas! Whose first movie was THE CROW and his second DARK CITY! FUCK OFF!!! ABSOLUTE SHIT!!!<P> A Beautiful Mind - I'll give you that. Not bad, if a little sentimental. Cinderella Man - See above. Always safe, always predictable, from the Godfather of Dull and Predictable, Ron Howard.<P> A Time to Kill - I will DEFINITELY let this one pass, if only for that barnstorming courtroom summing up finale greatness, and Sam LJ - "Yes, they deserved to die, and I hope they burn in Hey-ell!!!"<P> Not a lot of wins in there, REVENGE_OF_FETT. Much raw suckage. Epic fail on your shoulders, son.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns - Jennifer Connelly

    by spud mcspud

    In fairness, the movie many of us remember her most for is LABYRINTH.<P> Dance, magic, dance!<P> "Hoggle! You coward!"

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I have no idea what that sentence even meant. I am a Luddite, sent to doom you all.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    George Clooney = Reed, Charlize Therone = Sue

    by BrannigansLaw

    Time to grow up.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and about HANCOCK

    by spud mcspud

    Had they made it word for word from the original script TONIGHT HE COMES, it would have been the most interesting R-rated superhero movie ever made. As it is, they cut the bollocks off the script and made it a dull, confusing mess. I enjoyed it at the time, but by the time I was in the multiplex toilets pissing away that litre of coke I sank in the movie, I forgot everything that happened. Fun at the time... but utterly forgettable.<P> Should have stuck to the first script, boys...

  • Retell the origin during the opening credits sequence so you can jump right in to the new story from the start. Just leave out the bullshit where Doctor Doom gains electrical powers and metal skin.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Gmail servrs are having problems! THE WORLD IS OVER!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Hold an audition.. do they even do that anymore or do they just blindfold each other and throw darts at Us Magazine? Sue Richards: previously unknown person who looks like Sue Richards and can act. Reed Richards: previously unknown person who looks like Reed Richards and can act. Johnny Storm: previously unknown person who looks like Johnny Storm and can act. Ben Grimm: previously unknown CG rock man (as conceived by Kirby) who sounds like Ben Grimm and can act. Victor Von Doom: Christoph Waltz See! Easy.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Give up on this movie, guys.

    by Orbots Commander

    It's destined to be shit; you're only setting yourselves up for disappointment if you're expecting anything halfway watchable.

  • With Christoph Waltz as Doctor Doom, looking like the inspiration for Darth Vader.

  • That's one of the problems with super-hero movies - no one seems to know what to do after they have done their version of the origin story. The Spider-man movies were just a bunch of origin stories: #1 has Spider-man's origin as well as the Green Goblin; #2 we get Doc Octopus' origin; #3 it's all about how Sandman and Venom came to be, and we revisit Spidey's origin with a new (and excessively unnecessary and really stupid) twist. One of the things I liked about Daredevil was the economic use of his origin story.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I have the best cast

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Reed - Chris Pine Invisble Girl - Kate Winslet Torch - Leonardo DiCaprio Thing - Keifer Sutherland

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Here's what I 'm fucking sick of....

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    All of this "not everything has to be dark and brooding" bullshit. Yes. Not everything has to "be" the Dark Knight, but generally speaking,a movie need to actually be GOOD. Period. The FF universe is huge. It should be treated as such, with respect, and humor. Not the Tim Story syfy channel buttfucking school of filmmaking. <p> oh, and as far as Dr. Doom, I'd say Danny Huston would nail it. IMO

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by turketron_2


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Danny Huston as Doom...

    by crazypants

    is brilliant. He's big, hammy,posh and scary at the same time. Perfect.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by WhiteyFord

    A movie is only as good as you allow it to be. I think this one will suck.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as Dr. Doom

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    You just named every aspect of a great supervillain.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by MattmanReturns

    Oh yeah I know, I loved Labyrinth (and Rocketeer). I just mean Beautiful Mind finally got her the attention she deserves. I think she's one of the better actresses working today.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    shitty cast choices?


    <p> shitty cast choices? </p><p> Oh come on, i put together an ALL-Star cast. </p><p> Hanks and Willis would be great in the lead! They would both fit their roles and they are just a year apart in age. </p><p> They could pass for 2 guys that are old college buds. </p><p> I do agree with the budget going up with these choices. But hey, doing it RIGHT...They would have a license to print money. </p><p> And while Chiklis WAS the best THING about the 2 fantastic turds he was basically doing a Willis impression. Works if they are going for tv actors doing lame impressions of these characters i guess. </p><p> No. Go for the originals and Fuck the budget. If Cameron can get 400 MILLION whatever for AVATAR(which is gonna rock), </p><p> Spielberg could work something out. Maybe a percentage for the leads. Like Jack got for the Joker. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Michael Emerson as Mole Man, or Puppetmaster

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Danny Huston...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    ..could work. He would make a rockin' Thanos as well. Oh and he was freakin' brilliant in "The Proposition".

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    by wookie1972

    Do NOT say that about Doc Hammer. Venture Bros. is probably the best thing on TV right now. And I think his approach is right. FF should be a "comedy" in the sense of lighthearted, not the dreaded "grim and gritty." FF was and always will be about optimism, which is why I find Marvel Zombies such an abomination. I don't know if it should be an actual period piece, but it should have that sunny optimism that suggests that "SCIENCE!" will always save the day. And Hammer's right about Doctor Doom. It's actually sillier, IMHO, to rework Doom as a Donald Trump wannabe. Doom HAS to be supreme ruler of Latveria, an Eastern European backwater that somehow survived the Cold War. FF should be outsized, not "realistic;" in fact, I would suggest it not even be part of the other Marvel movie universe.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    FF has to be mega SCI FI to work

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    kinda like green lantern.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson as the watcher

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    James Spader as The Watcher

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    he would be a very pervy watcher. I like to watch

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST



    Thank you. I try.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Vincent D'Onofrio as Apocalypse

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    in a non-fox x-men movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Paul Giamatti as the Mole Man

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Jennifer Connelly

    by DrMorbius

    Yes, definitely LABRYINTH. Also ROCKETEER, CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. but re-mam-bered most for INVENTING THE ABBOTT'S

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    William Shatner as Thing

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Hancock didn't punch the kid...

    by Cellar Door

    He "grabbed-shoved" or at least that's how I saw it..there's plot holes and then there's plot holes. This guy can't have sex for fear of blowing holes in the roof but he the director (not a 100% complete and utter hack, Berg) didn't think that having him "punch" a kid wouldn't splatter his skull into a million fragments?<p>Get HD wouldn't miss this shit (altho I didn't see it on HD and still got that he didn't punch the kid but grabbed-shoved-threw whatever, in the air).<p>Seems a lot of the "this is a plot hole!" nonsense going on when the issue is people just missing something or (gasp) ignoring something to make their own point? Not defending or attacking...just sayin.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker, again

    by LouisCedar

    See above post by Cellar Door. There was absolutely no punching. And I will, thank you :-)

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The Fagtastic Four

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    George Takei as Mr. Fagtastic Neil Patrick Harris as Sue Storm Rosie O'Donnell as The Thing that goes in your ass Alexis Arquette as The Human Flamer Rupert Everett as Doctor Doom I hope I don't get banned again by Mr. Beaks

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Is Ian McShane too old for Doom?

    by Cellar Door

    Cause I freakin LOVED him in Kung Fu Panda. I haven't seen much of Deadwood but I hear he's kick ass in that as well. He can certainly carry great menace and wit with his voice but he might be a bit old unless they go with a Clooney or Goldblum for Richards...<p>Oh and lockesbrokenleg? You sir, are a genius. Casting Bill Shattner as the Thing is not only batshit nuts, it could work, and camp, serious, bugnuts chaotic, it would be celluloid GOLD any way you slice it. Shatter has gone all the way through crazy to the other side and he didn't have to act like a fkin buffoon to do it (see Gary Busey, Crispin Glover, etc).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST



    </p><p> Keanu Reeves...Yeah, not my favourite actor. BUT. He would work as Namor. </p> And he could pull off the look: </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Reed and Vic Doom are high school rivals

    by kabong

    for Sue. <P> Reed is a geek and Vic runs a gang called the Doomsters who push Latverian marihoochie. <P> Johnny is a little kid who looks like Jake Lloyd.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Flame on!

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Strip down Alan Cumming, paint his ass green and cast him as a gayed-out Impossible Man for some much-needed comic relief... the first two were too dark and heavy.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    FF1 was so-so, FF2 was quite good

    by thot

    ROTSS was a marked improvement over FF1,but they never did quite get the characters right. They really screwed up on Thing. Chiklis just did NOT pull it off. He also never really got to do anything. Human Torch was spot-on though. As for Batman Forever, was MUCH better than the awful Batman Returns. Returns wasn't even a Batman movie. It was a bad Tim Burton movie with a guy dressed up like Batman. Forever had its groan-worthy moments, but it was also generally fun. I like the idea of a reboot for Fantastic Four, but they've GOT to get the casting right. Bruce Greenwood as Richards would be phenomenal! Thing will probably have to be CGI to do him right.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    I agree it should have WIT, but it's shouldn't be mocking. I suppose I may have projected a bit of my own bitterness onto Hammer's statement. We just live in an age where many studios and writers are either embarrassed to take pulp ideas seriously or can't accept them unless they're emotional torture porn.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    ROSIE as the thing

    by frank cotton


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Thot - WHAT? THE? FUCK???

    by spud mcspud

    BATMAN RETURNS sucked compared to BATMAN FOREVER??<P> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!<P> Granted, Batman REALLY should not have flamed the clown to death - Bats don't kill, remember, Tim?? - but FOREVER was so over-the-top it was a fucking joke from start to finish. Apart from Kidman vamping it up, there was only one scene I enjoyed in FOREVER:<P> RIDDLER: How do ya punch a guy??<P> TWO-FACE: It's real simple, sonny, you just make a fist, reach way back and assert yourself!<P> THAT was some funny shit. But it WASN'T a Batman movie. It was some Stephen Chow stuff, which is awesome - but did NOT belong in a Batman movie.<P> BATMAN RETURNS, on the other hand, was the perfect marriage of the Batman mythos and the Tim Burton goth melancholy that he does so well. They will NEVER do a better Penguin. No, not even if Nolan cast Philip Seymour Hoffman. And I can't see Nolan casting the greatness that is Christopher Walken in his oh-my-god-it's-so-REAL movie.<P> BATMAN RETURNS was the closest thing to a perfect 70s/80s style GN Batman movie you could hope for. And with Christian "Humour is FAILURE, PAIIIIIIIIN IS AAAAAACTIIIIING" Bale as the most boring Batman EVER, the third movie better have a villain at least half as good as Heath Ledger's Joker, or that movie is dead in the water. Because, in all the hype about how eyeball-fuckingly AWESOME TDK is, we all forgot one thing: BATMAN BEGINS was SHIT.<P> BATMAN RETURNS owns the mythos. Fact, my friend.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Thing should look like actual rock,

    by Dingbatty

    like on this statue:<p><p>With the Chiklis suit, they should've made it that lime, green screen color, and then they could've enhanced it. But I agree that mocap would be better. Hire Image Engine; they did the Prawns/Poleepkwa.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Batman casting


    Since this became all about Batman...How about some Casting for Snyders THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS instead? Hey, it's gonna happen... <p> Bruce Wayne: James Brolin. He was a fucking deadringer for Bale when young. </p><p> Alfred: Michael Caine Superman: Christopher Reeve (CGI head) </p><p> The Joker: Jack Nicholson </p><p> Two-Face: Ray Liotta </p><p> Gordon : Nick Nolte </p><p> Green Arrow: Gary Busey </p><p> Yeah, i stole the last two from the Aicn forum. They rocked. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    There was a movie that already got F4 right...

    by EWR3378

    and it was called The Incredibles.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns SUCKS

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    Okay, that's hyperbole. But the writing is just cringe-worthy, at times as bad as the Schumacher movies, using the same 60's Batman TV show word play: "I am Catwoman. Hear me roar." Catwoman: "Somebody say fish? I haven't be fed all day!" Batman: "Eat floor."Batman: "High fiber." F)(!)%(CKING AWFUL

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Spud-Batman Begins....

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    was an unexpected triumph compared to the previous Batman Returns was just as over the top as Forever. Don't think so? Hmm... lets see: <p> Army of missile loaded penguins? check <p> Batman kills guy with bomb? check. <p> Giant Duckmobile?. check <p> Christopher Walken mumble speech? check. <p> Art Dept. on speedballs and Jolt? check. <p> random bat-vehicle, specially designed to travel through ice encrusted sewer systems? check. Returns was dark camp, if there is such a thing, whereas Forever was just the movie version of the Batman tv show.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns vs. Batman Forever

    by ebonic_plague

    "This sandwich that I found in the vaccuum cleaner bag with all the dog hair and sand all over it is quite preferable to that sandwich floating in the truck stop urinal. FACT!"

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    My favorite Returns line-

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Catwoman: "Somebody say fish? I haven't washed my cratch in days!"

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    NO EXCUSE...

    by I am the most horrible not to have a Pixar animated FF.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    This movie COULD work


    However ALL the budget in the world...And the PERFECT cast. and a MINIMUM of middle-management and NO studio interference from hairdressers turned producers with CRAP ideas. Giant Spiders and what-not...Would be for naught if they would not have a good script. So Goldsman: Write the hell out of that script. You can do it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    What IS the plan with the Surfer now? I say let the license roll to Disney, then they hand it over to PIXAR and Werner Herzog. Give him 100 million and three years, and let him run with it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    "This movie COULD work" #2


    <p> "Goldsman: Write the hell out of that script. You can do it." </p><p> If not. Quit the assignment. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The FF Are The Definition of the Word Kiddie Crap

    by A-COD

    The first movie stunk, the second was passable but I'm not sure I can picture them being any better. Not showing Galactus was a gutless move. Get someone with something on his resume besides a Queen Latifa bomb.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Did I mention

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    That the Penguin is a child murderer in Returns?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    FF2 was so bad...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    That instead of Galactus, we get a tropical depression in space.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    That cloud was freakin' cool-looking.

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    Yes, it's not that Kirby sweetness, but it was still a neat visual.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    The first two FF films made mad money

    by Rupee88

    Fox can slash the budget and still make a big profit with this one.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Their powers need not be presented in

    by Dingbatty

    a cheesy fashion, as they correspond to the Greek classical elements: Mr. F flows like Water, Sue is Air (invisibility, invisible force fields), Johnny obvious, Ben is Earth. Franklin could be Aether (god-like powers). If you wanted to add two more to make it the Medieval classical elements, Silver Surfer would be Mercury, and Doctor Doom would be Sulphur.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    The second one was really good

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Just as good as any X Men

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    So Fox is trying hard to shit on fans.

    by Onin Solstice

    Bringing in the B&R writers? It's literally the one movie worse than FF. So Fox is truly, and purposely trying to run Marvel into the ground. Maybe Disney can save their ass!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    FF2-Dr. Doom

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    His suit was on par with Green Goblin, as both were rejected concepts from Mighty Morhin' Power Rangers.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Was there ever a golden era for SciFi from FOX? y'know, before the dark times?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Akiva Goldsman on FF = nipples on The Thing

    by MrMysteryGuest


  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Batman warns Reed Richards ahead of time, FF set trap...

    by MrMysteryGuest

    for Goldsman

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Nothing says class

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Like a Surfin' Dr. Doom! <p> BOOM-SHAKA!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    How anyone can like Batman Returns is beyond me.

    by odo19

    (I already posted this elsewhere but I summed up what I felt nicely here so I thought I'd repost.) <P> It's just fucking awful. I mean seriously....what is there to like?? <P> The performances?? With the exception of Walken everyone ranges from being dull(Keaton) as shit to annoying(De Vito) as shit. <P> Production design??Again terrible. There wasn't one moment in the entire film where I felt like Gotham was a real place. It all looks like it was shot on a cheap soundstage and every statue looks like it was made out of plastic. Contrast that with the real and organic feeling sets of Blade Runner to get a feel for how big this movie just gets it wrong. <P> Characterization?? Selina is the only person in the entire movie who I gave a fuck about and even she gets annoying after a while. Batman himself has about two minutes of screentime and instead of an arc of some kind when he's on screen he just moodily stares out of a window or at his fire place. I love ya Tim but come on!! YOu have to try harder than that. Batman also annoyingly has no relationship with Gordon whatsoever. He speakes to him once and doesn't even look at him. The Penguin is shockingly bad. Everything about him and De Vito's hacky interpretation makes me want to take a meat tenderizer to his forehead. Why must everything he say be some horrible unfunny pun?? Why does he have to talk like he has asthma?? Why does he keep puking over himself?? Nolan doesnt even really have to try and he could do a better Penguin. <P> Dialogue?? may even be worse than Batman Forever. Campy as shit. Observe this exchange between Catwoman and Batman. <P> *while fighting* Catwoman: I haven't eaten all day.<P> *Batman grabs catwoman and throws her on the ground* <P> Batman: Eat floor. High in fiber. <P> Uhhhh.....what the fuck?? Seriously all its missing is the cartoon sound effects and it would be the same as Forever. Anyone remember the Penguin army on with the rockets strapped to their backs?? Someone explain to me how that is any LESS retarded than The Riddlers plan in Forever. Anyone?? Thats what I thought. And I haven't even mentioned The Penguins awful...awful...fucking puns that spew out of his mouth about every two seconds or so. Is everyone going to just let that slide because the movies dark and it snows? I like Burton too but when he fucks up he REALLY fucks up. Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory come to mind. <P> Score?? Complete shi....actually you got me there. Elfman always delivers. His Hulk score is probably my favorite score for any superhero film. His score here is just as good as anything he produces. <P> I'm to lazy to think of a way to sum this all up and I'm really hungry so that will be all. Btw one good thing about the movie I forgot to mention was Batman's cool looking armor in this one. Or at least the top half looked cool. His lame goth boots kind of ruined it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Oh and bout F4...

    by odo19

    I've never really been a fan so I dont really care all that much. That said a reboot sounds like an awful idea. It worked with Hulk but that was a fluke. I think people are going to reject any new people they try to put into these roles even though the two previous movies were dog shit. That said(yeah Im using it again and theres nothing you can do to stop me) this might be a good thing as the rights will go back to Marvel/Disney and then maybe they can make a Pixar F4 film down the road.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    LouisCedar, aside from the "assault" (unwanted touching)

    by YackBacker

    of the kid, HANCOCK was a pretty mediocre example of storytelling. The family's special dish is spaghetti and meatballs? OMG! How fucking original is that? Oh, and the 10,000 times Hancock says "I'm the only one of my kind"... that wouldn't by chance be a little foreshadowing, eh? Or all the painfully obvious looks Charlize throws him in every scene they have together. Please.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by Disco_sucks

    I said it then and I'll say it now, yer wrong. Returns is ten times the film Forever is, with a clear central theme that's backed up with some decent (though admittedly not great) action scenes and charismatic performances. Most of all, if you watch the scenes between the four main characters there's chemistry and rapport between all of them. The actors in Forever couldn't look more misplaced or uncomfortable with each other if they tried.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    The part in BR I really like

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Is when Batman is in the car spying on The Penguin. It's such a great scene. I also enjoy the end of the movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns vs. Batman Forever

    by kdog69

    At least at some moments in BF, I felt like I was actually watching a Batman film. I have know idea what Batman Returns was, but they should definitely had taken "Batman" out of the title. But in any case, it's like comparing shit to piss. The first 3 Batman films (B & R doesn't count as a movie) all sucked because they were all BINO. Batman Returns being the most BINO out of the bunch, as it takes the most liberties with the characters. There's also like 45 minutes straight where Batman isn't even in the film. Plus he straps a bomb to a dude and blows him up at one point. And yea, if you know anything about Penguin in the comics, then you'd realize that DeVito's Penguin was awful. His personality was more like Killer Croc's in the film if you ask me. Penguin is suppose to be perfectly sane, refined, and aristocratic. Not some drooling psychotic monster.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I fucking love Batman Forever

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Val is a great Batman. Carrey was awesome. Jones was kinda shitty. But, all in all I enjoyed it.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    And yes

    by Disco_sucks

    All of Goldsman's films, or at least all the ones I've seen from the lists above, are generic hollywood mediocrity at best, despicable, amateurish hackwork at worst. Whatever you expect from a Goldsman film, quality or source accuracy is never going to be a feature.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Disco I do think Forever is the lesser of .....

    by odo19

    the two films....just not by as much as everyone seems to think. The action scenes are better in Returns but thats not really saying anything and as I said above I'm going to have to disagree with you(and about 80% of geeks) about the charasmatic performances. People have been telling me how much an idiot I am for feeling this way about the movie for years so I'm kind of used to it by now though.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST cant believe I'm saying this but..

    by odo19

    I actually agree with you. Those few seconds were Batman drives by and spies on The Penguin through his window while the Elfman score gets all moody and dark were pretty cool. Probably one of the few moments I liked in the movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    But can anyone explain to me ANY of the plots...

    by kdog69

    in ANY of the non-Nolan Batman films? Or either of the plots in the FF films, for that matter...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    The more I think about this

    by LouisCedar

    The more I'm thinking it just MIGHT work. It also just might be terrible. More than likely it will be mediocre. Nonetheless, some thoughts: No "Jessica Alba" types as Sue Storm, please, and if your going to, EMBRACE their slight racial/physical/whatever differences from how Sue is drawn in the comics. In the second fantastic four film it was quite obvious that they tried to transform Alba into a blond-haired blue-eyed "pure-bread" white person and the result was just creepy. Seriously...the blue contact lenses they had her wearing haunt my nightmares. The Thing should be a mixture of Practical and Motion Capture. The Thing-suit of the previous FF movies was a step in the right direction, but it was only half-way there. Make Mr. Fantastic "flow" (as a previous talkbacker suggested), not just "stretch". And If they cast a British actor in the role, then cast someone who can more believably act in an American accent. Ioan Grufford is a great actor, but he didn't pull the accent off so well... Dr. Doom = Darth Vader, in that Dr. Doom needs to be IMPOSING. Doom was decent in the previous films, but imposing he was not. And lastly, if they are going to go "dark" it NEEDS to be in the proper context of who the FF are as characters. Focus on the toll being Mega-Celebrities takes on them and how it effects their roles as protectors. The previous films touched on this to an extent, but it wasn't taken as far is it could have (or should have) gone.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST


    by Dingbatty

    Sue can use forcefields to keep it tight.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    I remember getting chills at that part. I love it when Alfred comes on and Batman talks to Alfred. It was just like in the comics.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    @ LouisCedar

    by Dingbatty

    Also, they shouldn't try to make it as real world as possible (something that could be a future bane for the Marvel studios flicks). I want to see the Negative Zone, the Inhumans, impossible Kirby-tech, etc.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns at least had style!

    by Onin Solstice

    Tim Burton always brings his own style to his movies (minus the Apes movie). He has a unique eye for design that's very in tune with the art in comics. Unlike Nolan, who has better stories but keeps trying to be Michael Mann.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Why reboot? just do a damned sequel

    by Geomancer21

    You could skew darker if you wanted, theres plenty of material, why make people sit through another origin? The first ones were fine, you change tones without redoing everything.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Batman needs a mix of Nolan and the 90's flicks.

    by Dingbatty

    Keep the tone serious, but upbeat and not lacking in levity, and make the characters look more like the Batman comics aesthetic, but not stagey or over-stylized, a la Burton. What I'm saying is, live action Batman: The Animated Series. The Nolan version seems embarrassed of the source material to me. And stop giving more screen time to the villains. This is the main reason why I like Begins better than TDK.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Reboot FF origin could be done over the

    by Dingbatty

    opening credits, like The Incredible Hulk. Then we could have flashbacks for stuff such as the old gang + Doom meeting at uni.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    To anyone thinking this is a good idea

    by YackBacker

    Good luck. You will be a part of this film's $5 million opening weekend gross.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    REED RICHARDS: Ron Livingston

    by Negator76

    Victor Von Doom: Michael Fassbender Sue Storm: Melissa George (In Treatment) Ben Grimm: Jeffrey Dean Morgan/CGI Johnny Storm: Jason Dohring (Veronica Mars)

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Ok, Herc, I have to defend Akiva

    by fightclubtb

    sometimes we are paid money to do jobs. sometimes we do the jobs to support our families, etc. while not always ethical, there are WORSE things than writing a movie that ends up bad... especially since the studio and schumacher are also responsible... and we are for SEEING the movies. UNACCEPTABLE is shooting innocent children. but because of those, i am guessing he was able to write: Fringe I Am Legend Cinderella Man I, Robot A Beautiful Mind Practical Magic Lost in Space (meh) A Time to Kill The Client sometimes we can't be artistic martyrs, we take the work we get. maybe FF will be awesome.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    YackBacker....Ah, I see...

    by LouisCedar

    So it appears to me as if Hancock didn't live up to YOUR expectations of what it should have been. And that's fine. But to claim that the movie is terrible and that the people involved are awful as a result, and to do so outside of the frame of reference of your own PERSONAL expectations and beliefs about the movie (and about cinema in general) is just off base. And that's really the point I was trying to make. I apologize if my posts came off as hostile, as that wasn't my intention. Hancock wasn't the greatest movie on earth. The writing wasn't oscar-worthy. But it was good movie, and moreover a refreshing and original Superhero story. It's not perfect by any means, the "twist" that there was another one of his kind was handled terribly. It was awkward, and it just did NOT fit in organically with the other story elements that surrounded it. That being said, after that terribly awkward twist reveal, the movie got it's legs back fairly quickly. I'll reiterate: The reason I'm criticizing your comments is because your stating your opinion as fact, and that's something that irks me to no end. Just because YOU don't like a movie does NOT mean that the movie itself is a bad film. THAT is the difference between what we down here do in the talk-back section and what Harry and the gang do up there when they post articles. There NEEDS to be a certain measure of objectivity (of course, it's impossible to be completely objective when writing about film, as watching movies is a deeply personal experience) when talking about whether a film is TRULY a "good" or "bad" example of film-making. And with that, I'm out. Feel free to rebut what I've just said, but it would be utterly pointless for me to continue on with this debate.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    FF New Cartoons

    by fightclubtb

    does anyone else like the newest FF cartoon? well animated, fun, kinda crazy stories that are funny and well voiced. FF is meant to be campy sci fi, imho, it has never been a change-the-world kind of franchise. should it get the Dark Knight treatment, herc?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST


    by LouisCedar

    I agree, to try and make the film as realistic as possible, in the case of a Fantastic Four film at least, would be self-defeating.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Maybe we can get cross overs in movies now?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    How fucking cool would it be to see FF in a Spider Man? Or Spidey cameo in Iron Man 3?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by I am the most horrible

    as Susan Storm.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Oh and also:

    by LouisCedar

    I'm going to have to agree with the defense of Akiva Goldsman. In order to survive in the world of professional screenwriting one HAS to, at times, write whatever kind of script the studio wants, regardless of how awful it is. When the studio has a specific mandate, as it did with B&R, a writer needs to follow it to the last note that the studio gives them if they expect to get a paycheck (and if they expect to get more work from said studio). I believe that fightclubtb said it best: As a professional screenwriter, one just CAN'T be an artistic martyr. Not if they want to make a living off of being a screenwriter. It's a pretty crappy reality, but it's the reality of the situation nonetheless.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    WTF?? People are actually arguing about Handcock??

    by odo19

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    "Hi Doom! I'm Read, man!"

    by pokadoo

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Flourescent EVERYTHING!!!!!!

    by Gus Van Rant

    Yep, the only one to be on board with this is that degenerate Chief Redcock.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    It's hard to take FF seriously...

    by Logan_1973

    ...Especially after The Dark Knight and Iron Man. The characters in FF are like cartoons no matter what you do. They're better off selling this property to Disney/Pixar and let 'em have their way with it...

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Spud mcspud

    by Continentalop

    While I think Batman Forever was bad, I thought Batman returns was just God awful, and Danny DeVito's Penguin was just embarrassing bad. He was a freak and a joker; not a villain. You never felt like he was a threat or a danger to the hero, and he you couldn't imagine he could ever go up against Batman. Physially Danny Devito nor the Penguin could ever confront anyone, but Batman Return's Penguin was such a crude and idiotic creature you could never imagine him outsmarting or challenging Batman mentally as well. <P> Penguin is like the Fatman in the Maltese Falcon; physically not a challenge, but cunning and ruthless enough to pose a serious threat.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by Brannagins Law

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I'm a big FF fan but I don't think we need this movie now

    by Continentalop

    To many superhero movies getting made nowadays as it is - let this one set for awhile and bring it back later. <P> But I do think the FF could work. It is basically the first Star Wars movie: <P> Johnny Storm - Luke <P> Reed Richards - Obi-Wan <P> Sue Storm - Princess Leia <P> Ben Grimm - Han Solo' s attitude with Chewie's physical presence. <P> Dr. Doom - Darth Vader <P> You figure a way to throw in Herbie and you got R2D2.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    LouisCedar, EXACTLY!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    These guys make it sound like those 2 films were all Akiva's idea! Even Schumacker says he was getting constant studio pressure to keep adding in more and more stupid shit so they could sell toys, etc. You can hardly blame Akiva for that! Yeah sure, he could have said "Fuck you, most powerful studio in the entertainment world, I'm not adding in fucking Batskates!". And that would have been THE END of his career. They would have just got somebody else to put in the stupid Batskates. The man won a fucking OSCAR! Show some goddamn respect!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Runs and jumps out of window

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    FF casting for a more adult adventure spin

    by The GentleMan

    Johnny Storm = Alexander Skarsgård or Charlie Hunnam Sue Storm = Naomi Watts, Charlize Theron. Ben Grimm / The Thing = Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson or Michael Duncan Clarke (hey, he doesn't have to be white) Reed Richards = I like the Bruce Greenwood suggestion. Other ideas would be George Clooney or Tom Hanks. Doom = Viggo Mortensen But we'll probably end up with Shia LeBeouf, Megan Fox, Jona Cena and Common.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by anonymoose

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    GentleMan, here's my spin...

    by Negator76

    Reed Richards:Campbell Scott. Doom:Viggo Mortensen or Ralph Fiennes. Sue Storm:Naomi Watts. Ben Grimm:Kyle Chandler/Jeffrey Dean Morgan/CGI. Johnny Storm: Charlie Hunnam. Alexander Skarsgard should be signed immediately for the role of Steve Rogers. He's the ONLY choice.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Batman & Robin WAS crap.


    <p> Lets move on. </p><p> This blaming of the director or even the writer should really stop. Schumacher is not George Lucas. By all accounts Joel Schumacher and and Goldsman were hired to do a job. A certain way. </p><p> The person(s) responsible for the quality of Batman & Robin should be the people running the studio at the time and/or the producers. For instance, Mitchell E. Dauterives IMDB page speaks volumes...</p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    And it's game, set and match Anonymoose

    by Disco_sucks

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I was kinda hoping they would keep going with the current one

    by thelordofhell

    At the end of the 2nd movie, Dr. Doom was sinking in the ocean. I was hoping that the Sub-Mariner would find him and we would have a great time with Dr. Doom and Subs vs the 4.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Alexander Skarsgård...


    <p>Alexander Skarsgård... as Captain America? </p><p> Im sorry, that's... </p><p> Worse than my Statham for Iron Fist casting. Yeah, i knew that one would not have been entirely true to the character and all. I just went with the people i wanted to see in a buddy-cop type style movie. </p><p> But...Skarsgård? Really? </p><p> This guy has been casting himself as the lead role in every big hollywood movie since Attack of the clones... </p><p> that you? </p><p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Captain America is AMERICAN


    Nuff said.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, great logic there

    by Disco_sucks

    The writer and the director shouldn't be held responsible for the terrible script or direction. The production designer shoudn't be held responsible for the horrible eyesores masquerading as sets. It's not the actors' fault they couldn't deliver a single line in a non-embarrassing way.<p>No, it was the executives. It was their idea to put nipples and a codpiece on the batsuit, they forced Schumacher to make everything ultra-campy, and the personally wrote every bad line in the film, all because they WANTED to make a film that would go down as one of the worst of all-time.<p>Seriously, it was Goldsman and Schumacher (and to a lesser extent the entire cast, costume and set design team and the visual effects team) that fucked it up, you can see their contempt for the project and the characters themselves in every frame of the thing.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Paul Thomas Anderson

    by Disney_Retcond_my_STD

    should do a Boogie Nights Version with Donky Dick refs and a cocaine scene involving Sue in invisible Rollerskates asking Doom if he'd be her "Mom".

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    yes, the PRODUCERS


    <p> Ultimately they did the hiring and Set the ground rules for what kind of product they wanted to have. </p><p> Come on, im pretty sure Arnold could have played an ICE COLD villain, The Terminator!? He WAS however not hired to act like that. </p><p> He was hired to act like he was on the 60's batman show and spout moronic oneliners and ice-puns. </p><p> I think we all know that Arnold can do better oneliners than in B&R. </p><p> Undecided about the Goldsman dude though. </p><p> Has he written anything decent. Ever? A beautiful mind i guess. </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Viggo Mortensen


    As DOOM is pretty good though.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    May I suggest Richard Lester

    by JRcanReid

    for director. Yeah! That would suck ass.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by wookie1972

    Yeah, it's pretty common to rag on Lester for Superman II. It's kind of pointless, because he's more or less retired. But frankly, Donner has never made a movie that can come close to A Hard Day's Night.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by Negator76

    Have you seen 'Generation Kill'? Skarsgard was pitch-perfect in that. Fundamentally decent but disciplined and tough. I think he'd make a great Cap. Can't I get a shout out for casting Campbell Scott? That guy is PERFECT for Reed. Let's just hope they actually cast age-appropriately for the FF this time around... Hopefully studios have eased up since seeing how much ass the over-40 Robert Downey kicked as Iron Man.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Should have fucking done it right....

    by Cervantes the first place! Same with the 'HULK', then we wouldn't need all this 'rebooting'.<P> I don't care how much money the first 2 movies made (more a testament to the popularity of the characters, than an indicator of the quality of the movies), this 'superhero team' could have been so, so great....but Tim Story and co. screwed it up in so, so many ways as far as I'm concerned.<P> I didn't like ANY of the casting! That's right, even Chiklis who I loved in 'The Shield', looked TOO MUCH like the bald-headed 'Thing' to begin with! Some mug with hair would have made for a more radical transformation....and the final 'Thing' makeup cried out for a CGI 'rock' character with HEAVY eyebrows. What a missed opportunity. Evans who was the best of the bunch, was too old, and I reckon 'The Human Torch' should have been an even younger antagonist for Ben to contend with. And don't even get me started on the rest of the casting we ended up with. I'm a Brit, and I wanted an all-American, less 'weedy-looking actor for my 'Mister FANTASTIC', and Alba was another disaster in my book.<P> And 'Doctor Doom' could have been the most badass of 'bad guys' ever put onscreen, compared to the pathetic final look we ended up (in costume and actor).<P> But for depriving us of a Jack Kirby-resembling, 'Godlike', gigantic 'Galacticus' reveal for the finale, Story and FOX can go fuck themselves for eternity....<P> But bring on that reboot. Maybe this NEXT one can approach the greatness that could have been.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    FF should be raygun gothic

    by wookie1972

    Basically, it should take place in a world not unlike the Venture Bros., where "SCIENCE!" is the answer to everything. Basically Mad Men with superheroes (which is how they should have done Watchmen in the first place).

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    In fact, fuck whoever the writer is....

    by Cervantes

    ....and just re-do the 'Galactus' threat storyline again, with the REAL one showing up this time!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Yeah, but we can't see them so what's the point.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Avi Arad is the one who PROHIBITED Galactus or Sentinels in X-ME

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    FUCK HIM!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Marvel should differentiate their movies from the FOX movies

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    make a new logo, like marvel knights GAY MARVEL or something.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST



    <p> No. I had not seen this actually. I missed this series when it was on tv over here. By your suggestion i just checked out some clips on Youtube. Show looks pretty good. </p><p> Thanks for the tip. Heres Hoping for a re-run! </p><p> Still not sold on him being Cap though. That's probably THE hardest character to cast. </p><p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Keep Chris Evans as The Human Torch

    by MacReady452

    The Thing..who cares he's a rock Dr. Doom..who cares he wears a mask Invisible Girl..who cares she's invisible. Mr Fantastic..Jason Lee I know this wont will be at Fox but I 'ld like to see what Gore Verbinski can do with a Marvel Franchise. If not FF then anything else. Seems to be a thin silver lining to the recent news.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Mr. Goldsman: Some pointers


    <p> First, i trust that your crap writing on Batman & Robin was a work assignment. </p><p> Try to structure it like a trilogy. You know, like Star wars? But do each one...pretty self contained. </p><p> Otherwise you would infuriate the geeks who have to wait 3 years between each movie. </p><p> But mostly because all trashy media comes in 3. I learned this from Monkey Island. (Part 3) </p><p> So my story suggestions: </p><p> Part 1 - Origin, yes AGAIN. But more true to the book and more exciting. Namor as the threat. </p><p> part 2 - Silver Surfer. </p><p> Part 3 - Obviously Galactus. No thundercloud... </p><p> a BAD-ASS DOOM in ALL of them, pulling strings and messing up the FF lives! </p><p> Hell! DOOM should be more evil and bad-ass than Darth Vader and Palpatine combined! </p><p> Most importantly: Read the comics. See what works and things of that nature. </p><p> If not, go fuck yourself. Yours truly THE TAINT. </p><p> Ah fuck it, im gonna go write three scripts and send them to Fox for free... </p><p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    and the silver surfer should be a stoner

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Just don't make it like that SHITTY comic...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I mean the more recent version where they were all young and Reed was a total horny bastard willing to do anything to get in Sue's panties and all that. That reboot was FUCKING HORRIBLE and a complete EMBARRASSMENT.<p>Just follow the Lee and Kirby ORIGINAL comics! They are still perfect as is!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    why was that guy...

    by dopepope

    allowed to live after that garbage, never mind keep writing, and certainly not another superhero flick?

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Wait! Forget Spielberg!


    <p> Ron Howard as the director. </p><p> He's got a good working history with Goldsman. </p><p> And he's a good guy. I'd trust Ron Howard not to fuck FF up. FOX? Uh... </p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    Nope. Don't write it like a trilogy, but as a QUARTET. <P> Four movie arc. Maybe throw the Inhumans in there.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Amen, Dingbatty

    by thot

    My thoughts exactly. I enjoy Nolan's films but think it's about time to lighten things up a bit. I'd love to see a Bat film that gives us a more colorful Bat universe and a grander sense of adventure. A little more humour wouldn't hurt either. Dark Knight was good, but I hope it's as dark as the series gets.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Not Avi

    by Phategod2

    It's Tom Rothman Who wont allow Sentinels in a X-men Movie and probably he's the reason behing Cloudlactus. I know he's the one who lied and said that the real Galactus was in movie when he wasn't Direct your hate at Tom Rothman.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    shit shit shit shit shit

    by Samwise Ganja

    shit shit shit shit....... can we PLEASE get this group the respectable team they all need to be a cohesive unit of solidarity and friendship forever????? >)

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    There should be an investigation

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    I'm pretty sure I read it here or I heard it in a dvd commentary or an interview that Avi Arad was the one who said because the size and everybody else would seem tiny or some stupid shit like that, scaling issues and cinema.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Nolan loves the Batman world

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    I think that's clear. Aronofsky's idea of a hip street punk turning into Batman strikes me as someone that doesn't enjoy the comics. It's obvious that Nolan's research is steeped in O'Neil, Adams, Finger, Moore, etc... Unlike Burton, whose research is steeped in his own obsession with curly-cues and swirls.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11 p.m. CST



    <p> Uh. I was being sarcastic... </p><p> I dont wanna do their MILLION $ Bookreports for them! </p><p> But the Inhumans would be a GREAT project for pixar though. Now with the Disney/Marvel thing and all. </p><p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST


    by Uncle Stan

    The Incredible Hulk #1. SUCK IT, FAN-BOY!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by YackBacker

    You've equally stated your opinion as facts too, so we're both guilty of the same crime. We can agree to disagree. I just happen to think (whether a gun was to Goldsman's head or not) he wrote some bad movies. If he was asked to write bad movies, well bad on him too. I don't see Jonathan Nolan writing bad movies. I don't see other filmmakers compromising their standards to throw in bat-skates, etc. Yes, the studio wanted something kid-friendly after the dreary BATMAN RETURNS. But that doesn't mean you have to go and make something completely brain-dead. GOONIES was a kid-friendly movie and it had brains. Same with the original STAR WARS trilogy. You can do a popcorn flick and have it be well-made. Being under studio pressure is not a free-pass to sucking at your job.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Here come the nipples.

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    Sounds like they're serious about fixing this franchise. Bring in the writer of the fan favorite Batman & Robin! Neon Baxter Building! Alicia Silverstone as Valeria, who will not be the Richards' daughter but Alfred's niece! Can't wait!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I've always wanted to see Goldblum play Reed Richards.

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    Because he is Reed Richards. He's already played him several times in non FF movies.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    "Forever" wasn't great...

    by darthvedder81

    But it was a cinematic masterpiece compared to the horror that was "Batman & Robin." "Batman Forever" at least had the some of the vestiges of Burton's darkly offbeat tone.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Not a reboot... simply push the story 15 years into the future.

    by dailysportspages

    You can then hire a new set of older actors to replace the ones in the movie. Keep the same continuity from the other movies, get away from having to do another origins story. <br><br> Reed in his late 40s: Matthew Fox<br> Doom in his early 50's: Nicolas Cage <br> Sue in her mid 30's: Sienna Guillory<br> Johnny in his early 30's: Jensen Ackles<br> Thing in his late 40's: Ron Perlman <br> <br> Cage is only good when his role requires overacting... so he would be good as Doom. Plus, he is an A list star that gives the movie instant credibility in the audience eyes. His movies generally make money. <br> Fox brings the LOST audience with him. Guillory is there for her sex appeal of course, but there are a number of 30 year old actresses who are still hot at that age. <br> Ackles brings the teen girls who are in love with him and the Supernatural fans... and Perlman brings all the geeks who watch every shitty movie he is in, in other words guys like us.<br> With Perlman you also can still go practical FX with some CGI touches as they did him up in Hellboy... or they could just use his voice and have him be all CGI. He has a great gravelly NY voice that would work perfectly for Thing.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    John Hamm, January Jones - not bad calls

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    They both can act, John Hamm needs to be a superhero sometime. <p> For a joke Vincent Kartheiser as Johnny Storm and CGI Thing. <p> Never going to happen but a FF movie set in the 1960's could be interesting. Also hoping for a retro, powered down Supes, but not going to happen as these movies are meant to appeal to 12year olds.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Alexander Skarsgård... Ginger guy

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Skarsgård is brilliant, great work in Generation Kill and True Blood. Should have been cast as Thor.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Foreskin: Rise of the Uncircumcised Surfer

    by Meadowe

    That would be more interesting than this. And Evans and Chiklis were the only ones who felt true to their characters, Reed was ok, Alba was wrong they should've gotten Rachel McAdams imo

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Keep Nic Cage as far away from

    by MacReady452

    Marvel as possible. GhostRider? Sad to see he dragged Eva Mendes back into his sphere of mediocrity.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    RE: Alexander Skarsgård


    <p> Well. To be fair to the guy... </p><p> My impressions of his acting skills mostly comes from things like this: </p><p> </p><p> "VITA LÖGNER" It was a (horrible) Swedish soap opera. </p><p> (Only good thing about it was the badguy PIRU. Best badguy EVER.) </p><p> And a bunch of swedish chick-flicks. Ugh. </p><p> The True Blood thing. Nope on that too. Maybe hes fantastic in it. But...I dont give a crap about Vampires. So. Sorry. </p><p> I WILL say that this Generation Kill show looks promising though. Im gonna see if i can get ahold of it. </p><p> Of course our other "big" swedish soap "REDERIET" had Mel Gibson in it!: </p>

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    When Batman Forever ever came out I was 10 years old.

    by ChuckImania

    ...I believe that's the first time I've ever uttered the phrase "Who writes this shit?". No joke... This man totally killed the boner I had for Batman as a child, in fact I'd go as far as saying this man raped me of my Batman. After Forever I pulled my Empire Strikes back PJ's up and went back for seconds in the form of Batman & Robin-and then that son-of-a-bitch did it again, this time no fucking lube. He should be put on trial and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; don't let him take some kids Silver Surfer away.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Nic Cage...


    <p>Is gonna rock as Mr X in the Green Hornet. </p><p> </p><p> FEVER!!!!!!!!!!! </p>

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    The only good part about Batman Forever!

    by ChuckImania

    Was the big foot pizza my parents picked up at pizza hut. I got to chow into that shit at the drive in... Anyone remember that pizza? I don't even know if it was good pizza; when you're ten all pizza is pretty fucking delicious right?

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    do they have to make a film

    by brabon300

    or can they just announce, cast, do script development and then...just kill the project<p> rothman is an evil fuck and will make sure that neither marvel nor disney ever gets their hands back on these for lots of direct to video shite

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Full List Of Tom Rothman Crimes

    by BurnHollywood

    (Originally posted at ...don't know how on the level this is, but it makes for some entertaining reading)<p> * Editing "Die Hard 4" to make it a PG-13 film even though the previous three, had been R-rated. This pretty much meant that Bruce Willis couldn't say John McClaine's trademark "Yippie-ki-ya, mother *beep* line as it was fully intended.<p> * The mismanagement of the production for "X-Men 3". For instance:<br> **Not waiting for Bryan Singer to finish working on "Superman Returns", and not having a replacement director until I believe weeks before filming was due to start. And when a director is finally hired, it's Brett Ratner, who has grown a reputation for being a hack, douchbag, MTV music video, action director.<br> **Not waiting for several actors (e.g. James Marsden, Rebecca Romjin, and Anna Paquin) to take care of prior engagements before filming. For in the process, certain characters were "killed off" as a matter of convinence.<br> **Seemingly rushing the production as means of retailiating against Bryan Singer for heading off to make "Superman Returns" (which also opened in the summer of 2006).<br> **Tom Rothman also allegedly didn't want Sentinels (the gigantic, mutant hunting robots) appearing in an X-Men film because he believed that audiences would immediately think that giant robots appearing in live-action would be too "silly". This was of course, before "Transformers" (a movie for which Tom Rothman allegedly turned down) came out.<p> *Ordering Ridley Scott to edit his movie "Kingdom of Heaven" to make it look like a more formulaic action-adventure film, when Scott intended for it to be much deeper.<p> *Having "Daredevil" edited to make it appear more like a summer blockbuster (i.e. more CGI) in the mode of "Spider-Man". "Daredevil" was initially conceived as a more violent, R-rated film in the mold of Frank Miller's run with the comics.<p> *Not giving the "Fantastic Four" films a better budget, to go along with hiring Tim Story (who is primarily known as a comedic director rather than a sci-fi, action-adventure director) and aiming for a campy, cookie-cutter, sitcomy feel. Rothman also allegedly thought that it would be better for us to see Galactus as a cloud.<p> *Trashing plans for an "ID4" sequel.<p> *Browbeating "LXG" director Stephen Norrington until he quit the business altogether. Rothman also allegedly almost convinced "I, Robot" director Alex Proyas to give up filmmaking.<p> *Fox screwing with the edit of "Hitman", firing then-director Xavier Gans, and then going back to reshoot certain scenes with a new director.<p> *Trying to ruin the first "X-Men" movie by cutting down budget and moving the release date from November 2000 to May 2000. "X2"'s budget got cut down too.<p> *"Said no to "Alien 5" by James Cameron and Ridley Scott because "We have a good script for "AvP"!"<p> *Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" remake being rushed into production. This resulted in Burton's comment "I'd rather jump out of a window than do "Planet of the Apes 2"."<p> If even half of these are true, this guy's a serious fucking douchebag...

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Hell's teeth, and to think that....

    by Cervantes

    ....FOX used to be the studio who's product I ALWAYS looked forward to....<P> Never mind Michael Bay, FUCK YOU Tom Rothman! I sure hope this next version retains some of that early Kirby greatness about it.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Silver Surfer spin off...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...I thought after ROTSS that this was the plan? That was the only thing that worked about those movies, although Chilkis was fine as The Thing...

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    Waltz as Doom would be great.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    I actually think

    by Die_Hardest

    That Johnny Storm was done relatively well in the Fantastic Four movies. Man, I would love to write a Fantastic Four reboot.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    In defense of the indefensible

    by wookie1972

    Re: X-men 3. The problems I had with X-Men 3 had nothing to do with the things you mentioned. Marsden as Cyclops was always one of the weaker characters, and while Pacquin was good as Rogue, the whole character written as a teenager was lame, IMHO of course. Romijn was pretty hot, I'll admit. But the biggest mistake was not getting Cumming back as Nightcrawler, because Nightcrawler was probably the most interesting thing about X2 (which, let's face it, wasn't as great as people say). The Sentinels? I didn't like the fakeout in the danger room, but otherwise I didn't miss them. No, what was wrong with X3 can be summed up in "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" Daredevil was a weak production, period. LXG was all Connery's fault, and seriously,an ID4 sequel? You would have to prop my eyes open Clockwork Orange-style to get me to see that one.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Hitler pissed Disney buying Marvel

    by effector12

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Keanu Reeves would cost too much...

    by Blue_Demon

    Mark Dacascos as Namor!!

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Since this thread is petering out...

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    I WILL CAST THE ENTIRE FOX/MARVEL UNIVERSE. Mr. Fantastic: Kyle MacLachlan / Invisible Woman: Elizabeth Mitchell / The Human Torch: Chris Evans / The Thing: Ray Winstone CGI / Dr. Doom: Gerard Butler / Namor: The Rock / Cyclops: Matthew Fox / Wolverine: Jeremy Renner / Jean Grey: Rosamund Pike / Angel: William Moseley / Magneto: Ian McShane / Beast: Matthew Macfayden / Nightcrawler: Thomas Krenschman / Daredevil: Henry Ian Cusick / Kingpin: Brendan Gleeson / Bullseye: Michael Wincott ... Now everyone can call me a jerk. How do I do paragraph breaks?

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, I don't think the budget cut on X-men

    by jim

    is right. From what I remember, they had to increase the budget in order to finish the film to meet the new release date. But, yeah, the mis-handling of X-3 made that film a cornucopia of missed opportunities and wasted potential.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Dear Akiva Goldsman

    by AsimovLives

    Stick to the Tv show Fringue and fuck off of movies, either as a writer, producer or, God forbids, director.<br><br>Yours truly, AsimovLives

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    effector12, day late and a dollar short AGAIN

    by YackBacker

    Yesterday, you "broke" the news that Disney was buying Marvel, after everyone other than you already knew this... now, you're bringing us the Hitler vid that was already linked to in the DISNEY BUYS MARVEL talkback on this website. Read before you post. Please.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    The ID4 sequel was gonna suck cock!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Seriously, it was the stupidest idea I had ever heard of. It was going to have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with a aline invasion. It was essentially going to be a remake of Fantastic Voyage with miniaturized people entering Bill Pullman's body. Absolutely apeshit retarded! Now Fantastic Voyage is a great film and Inner Space was amazing, but trying to shoehorm that into an Independance Day film? NO FUCKING WAY! Rothman was 100% right on that shit.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Can we get Hugo Weaving as Namor?

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by crazybubba

    someone mentioned this before but lets get away from Doom for awhile and go underground with the moleman.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Vote Fa Stokes Brutha


    <p> You have some good choices there. Kyle MacLachlan would rule. <p></p> The Rock as Namor was way better than Keanu. And he could carry a (possible) solo movie. </p><p> Paragraph breaks are done like "<p>"whatever"</p>". Without the ". <p> Like this </p> And i was waiting for a sequel to ID4 where earth fought back. Starship Troopers style. <p></p> Never came though. Fantastic voyage? What the hell... </p>

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    While MacLachlan is there, get Lynch to direct

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    with Heather Graham as Sue.<p> "How's Sue? How's Sue? How's Sue?"

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I refuse to believe that we won't get an ID4MORE

    by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha

    It's one of the few CG Blockbusters that wasn't turned into a franchise, unless you count the Emmerich Formula as a franchise... and I guess we should. So, I'm wrong.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by venvariants

    Dammit, you're gonna fuck it up all over again!!

  • Sept. 3, 2009, 5:08 a.m. CST


    by Anything But Tangerines

    The man can act stretchy, you can't deny that!

  • Sept. 3, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Jon Hamm as Reed and January Jones as Sue is

    by SID 8.0

    perfect as previous Tbers have said. Keep Chris Evans as Torch and as a lot of people have said Bruce Willis doing the voice of a CGI Thing is the way to go. Chris Waltz as Doom is brilliant. Alternate Mr. Fantastics: Clooney, Greenwood, or Goldblum. all good choices. And as Namor hear me out and you will probably see it too. Alessandro Gassman from Transporter 2 he played the bad guy. His teeth are a little jacked up but he's got the right look and the accent can only help. I seen it the first time I saw the movie.

  • Sept. 3, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Heather Graham


    <p>If of course, Spider-Woman 2.</p><p>Yes, solely based on this picture: </p>