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BATMAN & ROBIN Writer Akiva Goldsman To Reboot FANTASTIC FOUR??
I am – Hercules!!
Mere hours after the announcement that Disney would purchase Marvel Entertainment comes word of a big-screen “Fantastic Four” at Fox.
Now the bad news. Akiva Goldsman, who wrote the two shittiest “Batman” films ever – namely “Batman Forever” and “Batman & Robin” – is in charge. Goldsman also produced "Hancock."
That news not horrible enough for you? Michael Green, who wrote for “Heroes,” is scripting.
On the plus side, there’s no director yet, so maybe Fox will hire somebody better than Tim Story, who helmed the studio's two earlier, miserable kiddie-crap “Fantastic Four” movies.
It’s unclear, according to Variety, whether Chris Evans, Jessica Alba or the tiny fellow from “The Shield” will be back from the two Fox films.
Why not make a grown-up version with Jeff Goldblum as Reed Richards and Christoph Waltz as Victor Von Doom?
An interesting excerpt from the Variety piece:
Though Marvel Entertainment owns and finances properties like "Iron Man" and "Thor," Fox controls "Fantastic Four" in perpetuity -- as long as it continues making the films. Fox has the same arrangement on Marvel Comics properties "X-Men," "Daredevil" and "Silver Surfer."
But how long, I wonder, does Fox have to wait to make a new FF movie before the rights revert to Marvel? "4: Rise of the Silver Surfer" came out 26 months ago.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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My life is now complete.
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I've always loved you.
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Of all the people!!!!!
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Which is a great, great script.
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if there's a franchise - New Mutants apart - that is in real danger in Disney hands, it's this. Family values can kill the fun.
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FF script. Where it's set in the sixties and there is Time Travel with DR. Doom???
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Fox is rebooting to keep the rights.
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Of Reboot? Or did that just turn into Tr20n?
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Do it.
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...when you need him?
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But with live action Chris Evans and that guy who played the funny Belushi brother.
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Shit, shit, shit and shit.
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Credit where it's due, Goldsman can write films that aren't genre-based (A Beautiful Mind), and at least he's not writing this. Still, WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING FOX??????
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out of a job?
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Directed by Neil Blomkamp.
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Head for the hills, integrity!
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Seeing though he didn't fall off a cliff in New Zealand.
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Let's see the Human Torch try to catch BIG LOB.
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Has his name attached to a string of "Could be much better" movies. Is it his writing that has undone them though??? Hancock, maybe more so than the rest. But the others, including Batman, I Robot, DaVinci Code etc - they are all movies that are just bad to be attached to from the start.Surely if his writing brief for Batman was let's make it a serious, caped crusader detective/revenge story he would write something different. But Batman Forever/ & Robin are clearly the product they set out to be - campy, comedic action 'fun' - unfortunately, that's not the kind of Batman film fans wanted - they still killed at the box office though right??? Anyway, the only movie of his that I actually like is the Client. And that was a long time ago so I will not be holding my breath for a good F4 movie with his name attached because either the brief he gets will be shit, or he will just be shit. Bummer.
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Right?
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TV MOVIE at best.
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Sorry, but it's true. For the folk who didn't get into the comics, FF is just, well, boring. And all these superhero films are really starting to become a drag... and am sure the studios are going to suffer the consequences of saturating the market.
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Not so hot on the Kevin Smith though, you can keep that.
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I mean, c'mon. There's no way it could be made into a more adult version.
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It was better than most of the shitty superhero movies we get dumped upon us each year!
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Goldsman is the worst. How can his work be viewed as anything but terrible. Not to mention the fact he still gets work. "Hey, remember that shitty ass Batman movie you wrote? Well, here's the keys to the Baxter Building!" Maybe the powers-that-be think the FF movies sucked so bad, not even Goldsman could make something worse. Heh, yeah fuckin' right.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:13:21 AM CDT
Goldblum is the coolest, but he may be too old now.
by the_genteel_gentile
Ah hell, get Goldblum anyway! I'll gladly pay just for that alone.
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It easily deserves all the hate it gets. I could at least sit through all of the first FF movie, as shitty as it was. I could not say the same for Hancock.
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Viktor Verzhbitskiy (Zabulon on Night/Daywatch)
Karl Roden
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It really should reside somewhere between Michael Bay and David Cronenberg.
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I thought it was just BATMAN & ROBIN???
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Sep 01, 2009 1:18:02 AM CDT
Forget Goldblum's age - rewrite it for him. It's worth it.
by juansanchez
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I second seth rogen as the thing
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Sep 01, 2009 1:18:13 AM CDT
YEAH, BECAUSE THE FIRST TWO MOVIES WEREN'T SHIT ENOUGH!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Sep 01, 2009 1:19:31 AM CDT
Can someone go dig up Stephen Hopkins and give this to him.
by the_genteel_gentile
And don't screw him over like on Lost In Space. Dude deserves to be released from filmmaking prison and given another shot at the big time.
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Even with him, however, it would suck, because Fox loves making crappy super hero movies almost as much as Goldsman does.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:20:34 AM CDT
I knew ever since they cast Jessica Alba as Invisible Woman
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
those movies were gonna suck.
How can she be Chris Evans' sister, that's just retarded.
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misogyny, like a cartoon version of madmen.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:20:46 AM CDT
3D-Man, YOU CAN LIKE BATMAN FOREVER...IF YOU'RE RETARDED!!!
by carlthormark1978
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To F4, Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, and so many other of their characters that they whored out over the years to other studios that have fucked them all up.
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SOMEBODY PUT THESE STUDIOS OUT OF THEIR MISERY. THIS IS THE DEATH OF CINEMA. GAME OVER.
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how the smart people got in bryan singer, chris nolan and sam rami who created not only wonderful films but made the studios a lot of money. Who ever thought Tim Story was a good idea at fox? Barbershop?! taxi?! boggles the mind really.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:27:37 AM CDT
The_Genteel_Gentile, STEPHEN HOPKIN'S IS A FUCKING HACK PIECE OF
by carlthormark1978
That braindead cocksucker ruined, not only, A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 but also ran the Predator franchise into the ground before obliterating Lost In Space with it’s first movie. That worthless fucker hasn’t made a single good movie in his pathetic excuse of a career. Hey, why not let Schumacher just Direct and ensure that a FF reboot will truly be fucked!!!
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Its not a good movie and it's a worse batman movie, but I still like it.
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There's not much there for Fox to destroy. That's not to say there aren't mature storytelling possibilities in the idea of a superhero family, but if I want to watch a similar dynamic at play, only, you know, grown-up and *good*, I'll just watch THE INCREDIBLES or VENTURE BROS or read the First Family-centric ASTRO CITY issues.
Now, if they did a total reboot *without* caring one iota about the original comics, *maybe* the FF could be more than just awkwardly goofy. But in such a case it's probably brighter just to invent a new group of characters from the get-go (à la Brad Bird). -
That is all.
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Sure it was cheesy shit but I've always thought the FF4 was the cheesiest of all the marvel properties.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:34:06 AM CDT
Fantastic Four? More like Fantastic movie franshise!
by dannyglovers_dickblo0d
I know a lot of people want their superheroes to scowl and brood a lot, but I was raised on silver age heroes. I like the wholesome, lighthearted Fantastic Four the way they're portrayed in the comics, and I feel they made a relatively accurate transition to film. Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie, and I have repeatedly stated my love of the flawed but still amazing Batman and Robin, so this news just has me fired up even more. It's a good time to be a fan of movies...
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starring Chris Evans, by the way. He was the best thing about those movies. It wouldn't even have to be super-serious. I just don't think the family dynamic is particularly noteworthy with the Richardses.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:41:32 AM CDT
I've had just enough of those "Heroes" posing in that ad.
by gibsonusa returns
Nothing against the show. But that ad is so cheesy...they all look like morons on there, trying to look cool. Enough of that!
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It's just a wildly uneven kinda crappy film with too many cartoon sound effects and a lousy third act where it completely devolves into a bunch of silly bullshit and shiny Batsuits.
The Two-Face/Riddler scenes are entertaining by themselves. I thought Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey made a great team, which doesn't seem like it should be possible. Jones is fucking funny in that movie.
The Val Kilmer/Chris O'Donnell dynamic is the real core of the picture. There's really good dramatic stuff in there like Bruce finally coming to terms with his Batman-ness and all the shit where he's trying to keep Dick from making the same mistakes he did. A lot of people seem to overlook the fact that there is a good movie here, it's just buried under a lot of fucking neon and nipples.
And there's that scene where Nicole Kidman is wearing nothing but a sheet.
That's my two cents.
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Rests on Joel Schumacher. Not saying Akiva is good OR bad, necessarily; but just saying Schumacher should be held entirely to blame, and it wouldn't have mattered how good the writing, acting, etc. was.
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Rape the Fantastic Four. That's what you meant.
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I agree. Him and The Thing were the best things about the movies. How about a bit more than a cameo in spider man 4 for johnny storm? Not it will happen anytime soon.
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God, I hate the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate FF most of all.
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they can cgi his movements.
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I wish now this is what they would have done before the first spiderman. I dream of an alternate universe where they were all under one roof from 2002.
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*writes note*
Dear world,fuck you and your shitty studio influenced superheroe movies,i hope now that you can be happy
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He even turned out to be a capable TV-Director.
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I hate Hackiva as much as you do, it's just that his work on "Fringe" was a VERY positive surprise!
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Marvel gave Fox their biggest heroes forever? What the fuck were they thinking? I mean the first two movies were good, but then the last two sucked, so they're batting 50/50, or whatever, (I don't do baseball stats!) but shit!
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What? We're all thinking it!
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but that's the only good thing in that turd!
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Either way, it will be shit.
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You should really read "What Makes Sammy Run". It was written like 70 years ago, and everything's still the same and unoriginal in Hollywood as it ever was...
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And set the story after the events of Wolverine's "Enemy of the State" storyline, where Richards is paranoid and has the scars to prove it.
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FOX could be playing a game here to force a buyout. I mean they did pull some serious shit with WATCHMEN, remember?
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Terrible story, awful acting (Tommy Lee Jones, WTF?) and a major shoutout to Eliot Goldenthal's shit-tastic score. What a disaster of a movie.
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...instead Fox would rather feed this franchise to the worst hack dogs available than let it revert to Marvel Studios. FUCK FOX.
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The studio retains its rights if they exercise their option (and produce a film with these characters). The reason Silver Surfer was in the last FF movie was so FOX could retain its rights to that character. Like I said before, Disney can buy out the rights, which they should do with all FOX-held Marvel properties.
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Alright, granted, Hopkins' won't be winning an academy award for anything and he has made some shit films, but c'mon, give the guy a break. Ghost and the Darkness was very watchable and i'm sure most here would agree that Life and Death of Peter Sellers was a good film. Even Predator 2 had good moments... still, im not saying hand FF4 over to him... i'm saying give it to Ratner...
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...wrote some pretty killer scripts for Kings, including the pilot, which is one of the best pilots...ever.
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Sep 01, 2009 2:15:32 AM CDT
CarlThorMark1978 - Stephen Hopkins made alot of good stff.
by the_genteel_gentile
Judgement Night, Ghost In The Darkness, Under Suspicion, Blown Away, Predator 2, The Life and Death of Peter Sellers, 24 (1st Season), Traffic (USA Mini-Series). That's a damn sight better resume than Wes Craven will ever have. All the Nightmare movies are kinda crap, so stop feigning lament. Lost In Space wasn't his fault (if you knew anything about which you spoke, you'd know that). Predator 2 was all sorts of awesome and you damn well better know it! Oh while I'm laying down an obviously needed education, Schumacher made a bunch a terrific movies too. Ever heard of Falling Down, 8mm, Tigerland, Veronica Guerin, The Lost Boys, Flatliners, The Client or A Time To Kill? Guess not.
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Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Poseidon, Hancock, Lost in Space, I Robot, Manhunters. He fucking sucks and don't fool yourself that Deep Blue Sea was good just because Sam JAckson got fucked up in it. This guy reeks of shit and no studio in Hollywood seems willing to acknowledge that he's a shit storm. Warner already gave him Robin, AGAIN! Fox is out of their fucking minds if they think this will be able to compete when Marvel Studios is producing 2-4 movies a year. BLARGH
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Even if it's uncredited, as in the case of Poseidon or Hancock. Don't be fooled for a second into believing you'd be dodging another Goldsman superhero script on this project.
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Where Akiva Goldsman explains that you need guys like him and projects like Batman & Robin, so you can appreciate the good stuff. He then turns the interview into a Dark Knight Returns movie pitch. This fucking cunt knows he's evil.
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Sep 01, 2009 2:19:14 AM CDT
Akiva Goldsman can't direct worth a darn, that's for sure.
by the_genteel_gentile
His episodes of Fringe and Kings where the low points for both series.
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What is Fox going to think when Jonah Hex sucks and bombs? They'll blame Warner, Josh Brolin and the director. Once again Akiva Goldsman will walk away completely untouched because nobody in Hollywood or on the Internet pays attention to writer/producers.
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Fox can reboot Daredevil by giving it over to the Howard the Duck writing team. How about them apples?
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threw up in my mouth a little
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They don't have to keep stamping their company name on Fox's shit garbage. Does anyone really think Fox's announcement today is a fucking coincidence? Fox wants to drink Marvel Studio's blood like a leech!
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Does anyone at AICN want to point out that Warner had the sense to force Marv Wolfman on Akiva Goldsman's Teen Titans project? Even fucking Warner is smart enough to realize Goldsman shouldn't be telling people what direction comic book scripts should take...
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Jokes about how far Reed Richards' dick can stretch? Invisible Woman's ass turning "visible" in the rain? Can I get a job as the next Akiva Goldsman?
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If he has to be in any comic book movie make it Batman 3. Not some Marvel/Fox abortion.
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The Marvel brand is going to be pretty fucked if Fox can just tie a Goldsman-shaped anchor around its neck once a year.
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If he was going to make a F4 movie that looked like "Down with Love" set in the 60's and patterened after "A Hard Day's Night" where's the problem?
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Sep 01, 2009 2:29:41 AM CDT
Why is this one of maybe three sites calling Fox on bullshit?
by alucard
Good goddamn lord, every other website pretty much scrubs Goldsman's record of any connection to the near death of the comic book movie genre. MUST SUCK GOLDSMAN'S DICK, MMM, NEED WEBSITE EXCLUSIVES AND ON SET REPORTS, MMM....
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Thank god we've got Akiva Goldsman now. I saw Batman & Robin and that's a dude who definitely knows his comics.
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I thought he gave him Batgravitas and certainly I can believe him kicking more ass in hand to hand combat than scrawny Michael Keaton.
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would be a stroke of casting genius. with the way things are looking now, i just don't think the script would be worthy of his participation.
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Sep 01, 2009 2:34:23 AM CDT
Warner cleans up their act, Marvel Studios going good, Fox...
by alucard
will keep taking a crap on audiences until they stop eating shit. Of course, Wolverine made less money than any of their previous X-movies, so it's only a matter of time until they're releasing direct-to-video Fantastic Four and X-Men films, or producing and shelving them (like the 90's one), just to keep the rights. Disney should try to buy this shit back if possible.
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THANK YOU GOD!!!
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The overreaction from some factions of the internet (mainly the whiniest, like AICN writers) never ceases to amaze me. Is any of this news really worth the profanity-laden rant that this story became?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWpmPGCR1c
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seriously, this guy is condemn for eternity and beyond as being the "the writer of Batman & Robin" Fantastic Four reboot? They've already cranked out two shitty movies, what, this new one going to be different?
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Clearly you don't give a shit about these properties, but thank you for posting something mindless, effortless and absolutely, completely meaningless in every sense of the word. I'm going to guess you don't stick up for yourself much, except when cornered. That's your cue! Now is the part where you fail to explain how you add nothing to a conversation, yet wish to pretend to be part of it. Oh boy this is gonna be good!
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Is it too late to get Marlon Wayans to play Johnny Storm?
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He's supposed to resurrect a superhero franchise when the largest superhero franchise took years to recover from his bullshit? Hey Fox, Hancock had fucking Will Smith in it. Will your movie?
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They just need to keep producing movies to keep the rights. Remember, they never even fucking released the first one and it's the same goddamn producers!
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DOWNFALL is getting a lot of play lately
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BY POPULAR DEMAND!
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Put a guy who's reviled by the entire internet "geek" community in charge of the project, then fashion it as a "reboot." You don't have the comic fans and everyone else is too fucking confused by what you're doing to show up. This is a movie for nobody.
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You remember how shitty that movie was? Well Goldsman wrote that for you, comic fan. That's how fucking stupid he thinks you are.
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Nobody hated it until the unfortunate Batman and Robin.
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I saw BATMAN FOREVER opening night and hated it. I've never seen BATMAN & ROBIN all the way through because I knew it would be as bad, if not worse, than FOREVER. That movie sucked forever and always.
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Science is yet to explain how the fuck this Akiva hack got to win an oscar.
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Anything? I remember a lot of neon and one-liners. I remember that guy going IT'S BOILING ACID, and Two-Face putting The Club on his steering wheel. I have this lingering feeling that the actual story had something to do with a guy inventing an evil appliance that turns your TV screen 3D while it sucks out your brain power and funnels it to a giant neon blender on an island, where Jim Carrey is waiting in a sexy white sequin bodysuit with pink poofy hair. That can't be right.
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That's a big laught right there.
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Sorry guys but it's true even if Kilmer does look like he has a slight case of down syndrome. Damned if Bale isn't a real charmer of a Bruce Wayne who has a maniacal smile, psychotic forehead vein, and looks like he's about to fall asleep or ready to whip out his axe and start hacking someone down.
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Fox and other companies that own licenses to Marvel characters are just rushing to milk every last drop-out of them before they revert back to Marvel, and thus, to Disney. What did I advise the big studios to do earlier this year, in direct response to the battle over "Watchmen" between Fox and Warner? I said one of the big studios should buy Marvel so this type of fight over licensing would never happen again--well, as long as the studio that owns the rights to a particular comic book company, decided to refuse to license those characters to any outside companies, rather, choosing to do productions, ala movies, TV series, you name it, completely in-house. It looks like somebody at Disney was reading what I wrote, and made a wise decision.Note To The Other Studios: You had better start buying-up the smaller comic book companies, and their characters, while you still can, or Disney, via Marvel...or, other companies unrelated to Disney/Marvel, will buy them, so they can begin to develop the characters owned by said comic book companies, into major blockbuster franchises. I suspect, a lot of the current owners of Independent Comic Book companies are about to become very rich!!!
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Michael Green also executive produced Kings, you numbskull. And co-wrote the Green Lantern flick. He knows comic-books... but I guess you're still stuck on this 'fuck Heroes and everyone involved' bandwagon - ya know, unless you can get more advertising by shilling the DVDs. You're an ass of the highest order.
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Because he bothered to learn Goldsman's name and figure out he was responsible for some of the worst fucking superhero movies ever made? And you're not a dumbass because you didn't do that?
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Whether it's credited or not. This is every inch the Goldsman superhero movie that Batman & Robin and Hancock were.
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Christoph Waltz would be the greatest Dr. Doom ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, firstly because the FF is designed as a big, goofy superhero piece. Which Akiva can do. It was just wrong for Batman. Second, because he felt Michael Green writing was equally horrible. When Green created Kings.
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Because he bashes Heroes constantly, then uses TBs and DVD contests for the show to line his pockets. If you hate a show that much, show some fucking integrity.
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WOOOO HOOOO!! I'M 526TH!!!
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after watching Batman Forever. 'Cause all those people queuing outside knew where I'd been.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWpmPGCR1c
If all of this is wrong for Batman, which parts of it are right for Fantastic Four? You don't think the basic human dignity Stan Lee and Jack Kirby gave those characters helped make them just a little more popular than the screeching camp constructs in Batman & Robin? Fantastic Four is not "camp" and if you think it is then you don't know what fucking camp is. -
then he'd be a dumbass. But since that's not the case...
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And he wrote Lost In Space. Which is pretty damn similar in tone to the FF I'd like to see.
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this site would cease to exist.
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Either make it a family film (I may be incorrect in thinking this, but Fantastic Four seems like its Marvel's family friendly book) or make it as whacked-out sci fi as it can.
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Still my favorite, bu tmainly die to the timing of the movie coinciding with my own mid-life changes. I have my own Bruce Wayne/Batman issues and I'm what I choose to be as well.
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Him, voice of Bruce Willis for a cg'd Thing, Naomi Watts for Sue, Joseph Gordon Levitt for Johnny, and maybe...if he could pull it off, and was available, Alan Rickman as Doom.
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I guarantee you you're the only one who wants to see more Lost in Space.
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Those movies left bad tastes in EVERYONES mouths...
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I like you only for your name. And NO ONE should remake Zardoz, only reissue it as to command people to bow to its power
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Chris Evans as Johnny. That guy is great.
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But I don't want to watch either of them in yet another Goldsman camp superhero disaster.
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Chiklis, he was as much as convincing as B.Grimm as Evans was for Johnny.But with Goldsman helming this project it's gonna suck worse than tim story's version.Especially if Disney is backing this shit.
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All the decisions made on Fox's Marvel properties are Fox's. That's X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Elektra. The Marvel company itself has nothing to do with those.
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Sep 01, 2009 3:50:09 AM CDT
This project is happening to keep the FF out of Marvel's hands
by zzzardozzz
If Fox doesn't make another film within a certain time frame, the rights revert to Marvel. Fox is feeding the Fantastic Four to Akiva "Batman & Robin" Goldsman just to keep them away from Marvel for as long as they can. Marvel is their competitor now.
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I always thought the Invisible Girl should tower over The Thing! Oh wait. No. I didn't.
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Sep 01, 2009 4:14:20 AM CDT
Do the guys who make these decisions actually watch movies?
by mr gorilla
Can they tell that, regardless of profit, SPIDERMAN 2 (to take an example) is a better movie than, say, FANTASTIC FOUR 2. If you had ANY discernment, you would surely be VERY wary of putting Goldsman near any blockbuster series, especially those involving superheroes.
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When's the Mark Johnson reboot of Captain America?
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When's the Mark Johnson reboot of Captain America?
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I don't care for Goldsman at all....but if they fail to inject Kirby's designs into it, it is an instant fail. Dr. Doom should have been a classic villian.....instead, he was forgotten as soon as I reached the popcorn stand on my way out. FOX doesn't know how to make this work.
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Sep 01, 2009 4:24:40 AM CDT
I still remember audiences aplauding the end of X3 and FF2
by spazatronik2000
That my friends, is how these hellish projects get off the ground.
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Sep 01, 2009 4:27:32 AM CDT
Doom: Peter Stormare, Mads Mikkelsen, Thomas Kretschman
by dailysportspages
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3 Levels of star power.
Depending on how big the budget is.
Also gives you some play with the ages.
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Sep 01, 2009 4:40:00 AM CDT
Doom: Alexander Skarsgaard, Gaspar Ulliel, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
by dailysportspages
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Sep 01, 2009 4:43:32 AM CDT
Richards: Wes Bentley, James Caveziel, Adrien Brody,
by dailysportspages
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Not only was the Thing a midget, how about the way you could see the wrinkles and folds in his 'rock'? A short dude encased in wrinkled foam-- that's what modern SFX have given us.
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Sep 01, 2009 5:07:24 AM CDT
What if Johnny Depp wanted to play Mister Fantastic?
by dailysportspages
Richards: Johnny Depp, Wentworth Miller
Doom: Paul Bettany, Til Schweiger
Thing: Danny McBride, Dominic Purcell
Sue: Katey Sackhoff, Jeniffer Morrison
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Sep 01, 2009 5:10:04 AM CDT
The_Genteel_Gentile, ALL OF HOPKIN’S MOVIES ARE CRAP…..
by carlthormark1978
It’s not my fault that you can’t recognize that. Craven, on the other hand, made A Nightmare on Elm Street (an all time classic) but also The Hills Have Eyes, Last House on the Left, The Serpent and the Rainbow and New Nightmare. A better resume then Mr. Hopkins I’d say. Also, your teaching credentials are highly suspect given that you fail to recognize that, despite Schumacher making one great film, Falling Down, every other example you sighted was a piece of shit. Then there is the fact that while Christopher Nolan took Batman (a fucking comic book character) and made an intelligent, well written, well acted and well Directed, Oscar winning classic, with The Dark Knight, the ex-hairdresser turned the same character into a leather fetish freakshow because he’s an incompetent moron who’s only good movies were a result of good scripts and casting. Oh and you forgot Phone Booth which was a very good movie. Schools out beyotch!!!
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...he has ruined far too many properties. We CANNOT allow him to become any more of a Hollywood player. Sooner or later this douche will start DIRECTING! Oh God. Oh God no... But, way to go Fox! Proving once again how utterly worthless you are! All bow down to the Rothman.
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I could not STAND Doctor Doom! He was such a pussy!!! They took a scary, thunderous epic villain filled with hate and fire and power and turned him into an appletini-sipping soap opera frenemy of the FF. I can role with anything, as long as we get a NEW DOOM!!
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jsut sayin'
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I never even thought of that ... but that would be so awesome. I could easily buy him as the scientist, and then there's the fact it's Jeff Goldblum! My God.
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Sep 01, 2009 5:25:40 AM CDT
WATCHING B&R IS LIKE BEING EYE RAPED WITH AIDSCOCK!!!FACT!!!
by carlthormark1978
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The Thing is supposed to hold his own agaainst Hulk..
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Hopefully in a few years they'll reboot The Fantastic Four again.
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= Good idea. Those movies sucked Donkey balls. Written by the guy who wrote 'Batman & Robin' = absolute shit idea. 'Batman & Robin' sucked every single nutsack on the face of the Earth. And also nutsacks on Mars. And Venus.
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is the coolest fucking idea I've heard in a long time. That dude is truly for the win.
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with gasoline. Hollywood folks are out of their minds.
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Nothing great, but at least watchable etc. Don't think Fox etc really knew what to DO w/ the franchise-so they went 'family friendly'. Watered down etc. This time out? CGI Ben Grimm. Do it.
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> are grotesque casting suggestions, dude! :)
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we do not need another Fantastic Fucking Four movie, this was reaction to this news http://tinyurl.com/lkfvr9
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How the hell do you just hand over some of your choicest properties to a studio - especially FOX - with the clause that they own the rights as long as they continue to crank out movies? Don't you at least put a quality clause in there, demanding that the movies not suck ass or the rights instantly revert back to Marvel? Guess we'll never see another good X-Men movie now, because Fox will continue to crank out those turdburgers as long as tasteless, standardless, dickless morons are allowed to purchase movies tickets.
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Mark Waid.
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especially over at Fox.
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But I will say John Byrne's FF kills Waid's.
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I mean, really...who gives a shit?
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Sep 01, 2009 6:35:10 AM CDT
Jessica Alba as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman was AWFUL
by zombieheathledger
Probably the WORST casting in a superhero movie yet.
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and remake movie franchises as long as it continues to employ shitty writers and filmmakers. Here's an idea! Give Neil Blomkamp, 5 million and full creative control and he would make the biggest, baddest Fantastic Four movie that would blow away anything the McGs, the Ratners, the Akiva Goldsmans, the Shawn Levys of Hollywood could ever possibly hope to make.
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is good casting.
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And Brad Bird can do it for Disney/Marvel instead.
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Rothman is the greatest villian in the history of Marvel
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Sep 01, 2009 6:55:37 AM CDT
Here's my cast! Clooney! Yes Clooney you read it right.
by damien chowder
The guy has proved himself time and time again after B&R.
Clooney is Reed and he doesn't even need to dye his hair.
Elizabeth Mitchell, Juliette from Lost for Sue. She looks brainy and slutty at the same time, has a great rack and can act. Remember "brainy and slutty" rare combo.
Chris Evans is great but you know how it goes.. They will not hire him for a reboot. So I'd give it to
Shia Lebeouf.. Kidding! It has to to be Sean Faris from Never back down. Shit movie but this kid has screens presence.
Kurgen for Ben Grimm. No explanation needed.
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Sep 01, 2009 7:06:34 AM CDT
Stephen 'I NEVER MADE A FILM THAT DIDNT SUCK' Hopkins?
by fiendishmilt37
The_Genteel_Gentile, please saw your own face off. What a stupid, stupid man you are.
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you should have put OSCAR WINNING! in front of that
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Make the Thing look like the Thing! The heart of the Fantastic Four was in issues #50 to #200. Hopefully, the writers will actually read them, before penning a script, but if they get "The Thing" right (his look and personality) the script could suck and I'd still go see it.
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I think "issues #50 to #200" might be a typo by you. I imagine you meant #50 to #100. The FF started losing steam with Kirby & Lee around #100 and didn't regain that magic until John Byrne hit his stride sometime after issue #210.
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1- Make it gay. I mean gay as in homosexual. 2- A final, musical number always IMPROVES an action movie. 3- None of the Fantastic Four has any powers. 4- Wacky sidekick comic relieaf played by John Cusack. 5- Shoot it in digital video and rotoscope it. 6- 70 minutes long.
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You know it makes sense.
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Fun. Light hearted. Does everything have to be fucking broody and depressing with you people?
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For when John Byrne started to get his stride.
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It's a pity Schumacher wasn't allowed to re-cut the DVD version into the darker story he wanted. Getting rid of the cartoon sound effects would help too.
I think Forever is badly remembered these days because of its relation to Batman & Robin, which took all of the forgiveable little excesses in Forever and magnified them tenfold. Then, when people look back on Forever they just see all the same problems that B&R had, without seeing all of the positive aspects of the film.
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so don't crucify him for Batman and Robin.
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Seriously, if the contract with marvel is up in a few years instead of churning out a half assed reboot of a 4 year old series, why not just give us a third film in Tim Story's trilogy, Is FOX really wanting to set up another orgin story that they can't continue after Disney gets the rights back (unless maybe rothman's plans are too fuck up the movie so bad that when disney gets the rights people won't be interested in seeing a F4 film anymore?)I know a lot of people aren't a fan of what Tim Story did, but honestly at this point that shouldn't matter for FOX, both of his films made money at the Box office, and didn't recieve 100 percent negtive reviews from critics. The smart business decision would be to pump out a third from an already established series (contracts/sets/production crew would still somewhat be in place) rather then start from scratch for a franchise they won't own in a few years anywaysand by the way, I like the Tim story films, and the second movie was one of the highlights from an otherwise shitty summer of 2007...not every superhero movie needs to be dark and brooding, sometimes its fun to just watch a fun comic book movie
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Wasn't the BATMAN FOREVER script supposedly awesome but it was Schmuck-mocker that destroyed it?!?!
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This is one instance where I would prefer CGI.
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Michael Green created Kings which was an AMAZING show.
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With these two guys involved it seems like the logical step. And he's a pretty good director.
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Sep 01, 2009 7:35:14 AM CDT
REBOOTING CAST TOO? BRUCE GREENWOOD FOR REED RICHARDS THEN!!!!
by bringingsexyback
Natch!!!!!
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As long as they keep making films every so often they keep the rights. That's how it works with FF, Dardevil, and the X-Men characters they have the rights to.
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Please tell me you're joking with that cast suggestion. Retarded. Maybe 20 years ago, but today, you wouldn't be able to watch him in the role without laughing, and that's not the Fantastic Four we deserve on the silver screen.
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Sounds like a Japanese puppy.
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Sep 01, 2009 7:41:58 AM CDT
Fantastic Four is comedy. It will never work as a serious film.
by juansanchez
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Stand alone Silver Surfer movie with a Galactus that isn't a weather formation or gtfo.
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seriously someone at marvel years ago met with FOX and decided to give them that? They must have been strapped for cash at that point or it was before the superhero movie boom of the early 90's (Batman 89 set the boom in motion but it would tak another 10 years before we saw the real boom, coincidentaly with FOX's X-men) plus does that means FOX controls all of the X-men characters, because there is a hell of a lot of them, they can't all get orgins storys...or maybe they can?So does anyone know the time limit, i mean is it 5 years, 10 years, does it at somepoint just revert back to marvel regardless? I remeber Roger corman had the rights but he lost them so maybe there is a clause in the contract (assuming it was a similar contract). Honnestly Let's hope this fails, because if FOx can't make a profit then they might consider selling the franchise back to disney/Marvel, and disney has deep pockets. Rumour was that FOx was interested in selling back the Dardevil rights after DD and elektra bombed...although now that a rival studio owns the characters FOX will probabaly just decide to reboot DD to keep those rights too
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Sep 01, 2009 7:47:46 AM CDT
Time to Kill and Cinderlla Man were two pieces of shit too
by chien_sale
Just sayin'
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Come on, we want to laugh but only at certain points in the movie. FF should be a fun adventure movie on the level of Iron Man but have good humor peppered throughout. It should not be a comedy. You want a funny Doctor Doom?
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after 28 years. Good stuff still. He was smart on that book. A sprinkle of re-invention here and there, but still the core of what made it good to begin with. They should adapt issues 242-244 for the reboot.
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That's why this new X-Men: First Class won't feature the mutants from the comic series of the same name, but the same group we've seen as youngsters. Fox doesn't have the rights to the others.
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You better keep Mackey on, or he'll beat you with a tire chain.
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Sep 01, 2009 8:00:50 AM CDT
well let's hope the house of mouse decides it really wants some
by jettl93
Sony probabaly won't give up the spiderman rights because of the potential profits, but if disney went to FOX or Universal and said "listen here's 600 million if you give us back FF/Daredevil/HULK...none of those franchises are worth that much and if disney makes the offer at the right time someone like FOX might just accept it to cut their losesopn the other hand, Marvel's deal with universal showed that some studios might be willing to work together to co produce the movieAlso what does this mean for Blade? I mean Warner's which owns DC also own the film rights to blade, maybe Warner's will decide to sell that contract back to disney, although i think disney is more interested in the lighter superhero's i'm sure they would still like film control of the darker ones like Blade and punisher (just distribute them through mirimax or create a new Marvel Knights studio
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Thanks for taking time off from jerking Joss Whedon to write this. I'm surprised your fingers weren't too sore to type. "The short guy from the shield"? How witty of you. You probably came up with that right after FF2 came out, and have been waiting all this time to use it. You should make jokes more often, because they're always such winners...
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Doesn't that mean every superhero movie is going to PG because Disney is behind it... fuck Disney.
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...why would turning invisible help Sue Storm beat the monster? Who tied up Mr. Fantastic with ropes and how did they accomplish the task?
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You KNOW he'd be perfect.
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One example that coems to mind are the national treasure movies... people might not like them, but i've never heard anyone say they are kid friendly. Plus disney owns Miramax, which constantly releases R rated movies all the timeyeah Disney is going to take advantage of the family friendly aspect of some of the characters (spider man, FF). But wer're not going to see a PG Dardevil or Punisher, infact Disney might try and not openly associate themselves with characters like that which means Filmakers that take on those characters will probabaly be given more freedom to do what they want...Geez must you internet fanboys hate everything that happens, thae your lips off your mom's tit and get out in the real world, you'll find it's really not as scary as you've made yourself believe it is
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The first two fantastic four movies were so stupid, they were a throwback to the Roger Corman version. Now it's time to get an FF made on par with Dark Knight, you know: a superhero movie with a real plot, real villains and aimed at adults, not 6 year olds.
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great move by fox. make the first 2 look like masterpieces.
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One F for "Fantastic", a 4 for "Four"...What's the other F? For that matter, why is "Independence Day" abbreviated to ID4? I get that July 4 is Independence Day in the US, but then why not IDJ4? Maybe it's too confusing with Indiana Jones 4, but that was also a stupid movie about aliens, so what's the difference?
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...these guys get slapped around more than David Carradine's Bankok ladyboy.
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Gotta be up there as some of the shitiest comic book characters ever imo.
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Fucking christ. Just let it go.
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...the "tiny fellow from “The Shield”? Because if not that's a really weird comment to be upset about. Very weird.
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Randy Couture as Ben Grimm? he's done some acting (on "The Unit", he was actually pretty good) and he does have a pretty prominent role in "The Expandables". Plus, hell, he's certainly right for it physically.
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Sorry--Meant "The Expendables"...the "Expandables" would star Jason Alexander and Delta Burke.Edit feature?????
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Sep 01, 2009 8:51:10 AM CDT
Why do any more Marvel stories as anything other than Pixar??
by i am_notreal
Except those already in the pipeline? Seriously? A Pixar-animated FF would be miles better than any live-action version. Hell, the Incredibles itself was miles better than both FF movies put together plus Spider Man 3.
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Hancock was just an all around great movie. And yeah, reboot after only two movies made just a couple years ago does not scream confidence for your product.
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Maybe it's better in the comics, but there was just nothing in the 2 films that ever caught my attention. What exactly is the point of the reboot? To fill another 2 hours with mindless banter and boring explosions and no plot?
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Sep 01, 2009 8:57:31 AM CDT
You don't get to just "reboot" a franchise whenever you want
by lecerclerouge
It worked for "Incredible Hulk" but that film played like a sequel, if you wanted it to, or a reboot, if you wanted it to. FF is lame anyway. I don't think it's possible to make an interesting film out of this dumb franchise
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Gee, nothing says "quality comic book adaptation" like Akiva FUCKING Goldsman. What will Galactus be this time? A giant spider? A protoplasmic blob? A big Twinkie?
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I really do think that Julian McMahon was on the spot perfect as Victor von Doom. Everything else I don't care about...
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This will never happen simply because of Budget and the mixing of old cast with new in some kind of retconibootquel, but anyways here it goes
Mr Fantastic - Bruce Greenwood
Invisible woman - Niaomi watts
Human torch - Chris Evans
The Thing - Go CGI but keep Chiklis as the voice
Dr. Doom - Stellan Sarsguard
Don't get me wrong, for the most part i liked the cast of the first 2 films Grufford's only fault was being too young for the role (although ironically, he might look better for the part now then he did 4 years ago) but i never thought his acting was bad, infact i thought he was the strongest "actor" in the entire cast. I would however replace him with Bruce greenwood, some would say clooney would be perfect but he's too much of a star and besides pumping the budget up higher it would also turn into a "clooney film" the FF should be equal. Greenwood has always been a great actor but with star trek he proved that he can play a part in a big summer movie and he carries a certin intelligence and power that grufford lackedAlba was my least favourite of the orginal cast, i could look past it because she was hot, but when it comes down to it, she was a bad choice, a more womanly acress like Niaomi watts would fit in much better as well as be closer in age to Greenwood and not appear younger then johny storm
There's no reason whatsoever to change Human torch, Evans looks the part as well as carries that cockiness the character needs, they would never keep him for a reboot (although it worked for bond with judi dench) but it's a shame we'll never see more chris evans as johnny storm. Lord knows who they will cast in this role, probabaly hayden christenson or somebody else like that who will only dissapoint...oh crap Fox loves itself some hayden, it's gonna be him in the role isn't it?It was a maistake to go practical effects with the thing, but it's understandable due to Budget as well as technology at the time (almost 5 years ago since production began) however height aside, i thought chiklis was great in the role, he made a nice ben grimm, its just once in the suit he was never convincing as a giant walking rock because he was short and the suit never looked quite right. I would say keep chiklis as Ben grimm in human form and once he becomes the thing go CGI (like Incredible huk did last summer) but keep chiklis as the voice
Dr Doom was terrible in the first 2, i don't entirly blame the actor because most of his bad parts were scripts and stry based, but that aside we need a stronger actor in the role i'd go with stellen sarsguard, he is a good actor and can convey that slimey eveil side to himas for a director, how about tony Scott, he can do action properly and is a name director without being overly expernsive or hard to work with, he;; he might even bring along denzel washington for a bit part -
Let's hire the writers of the worst movie ever made to reboot a lame superhero team. This is great...
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Looks down, shakes head.
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already requires the reboot be rebooted before its filmed...
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was it just me or was fantastic 2 all about a nagging girlfriend/wife. It was like hanging around with a friend and his girlfriend and she won't stop bitching.
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Akiva is a jewish name. It gained popularity as a name due to the influence of a very well known and respected rabbi, Akiva ben Joseph, one of the earliest founders of rabbinical Judaism.
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And not just Akiva ben Joseph, there was also another very well known rabbi called Akiva Eger. The popularity and respect the two Akiva rabbis later made the name popular among jews.
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...THE TWO AKIVAS SHALL BE RESPECTED!!...I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Welcome to the new era of geekdom. The golden decade 1999-2009 is over.
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...the rights? Or I wonder can they crap out some straight to video stuff to keep it going. Man I didn't realize they had them forever. That is quite the deal.
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they understand the profits in the brand, they aren't going to rape it, and having all the characters under one studio is eventually goin to be awesome since it will all be in the same world
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The Silver Surfer shows up and threathens the world, and the FF guys leave the marriage to help save mankind. And Sue/Invisible Woman, what is her reaction toward the new threath to mankind? she gets anoyed and teary-eyed that her marriage was ruined. Fuck mankind, all she cares is her marriage. Can anybody reminds me why i should feel any sympathy for this bitch?
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Who are we kidding? The movie was fucking dreadful...what a total misfire. In every way imagineable. How can anyone defend that steaming heap of fetid camel cock?
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They're both excellent suggestions. But I'm surprised that no one has made the most obvious suggestion: Jon. Motherfucking. Hamm.
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How the fuck people liked that bullshit?
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Ben and Reed are friends prior to accident and should be the same age. Ben in human form was also an A#1 stud - tall and well-built and good looking - thus the tragedy of his becoming a "Thing" while his buddies remained human looking. Finally even as the Thing, Ben is only 6ft tall or so, so a huge 9ft tall CGI monster would be wrong.
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just read this over at chud: Keanu Reeves as Mr Fantastic Jessica simpson as sue storm Justin Long as Human Torch Dwayne "the rock" johnson as The ThingTom Berrenger as dr Doomthey start production in december and the entire thing is being helmed by Lee Tamahori
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I live near the California brushfires and I consider this the most frightening news of the day.
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...person to bring up Udo Kier on this talkbalk.
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-At this years comic-con Marvel super Producer Kevin Feige caused an industry uproar when he hinted at the possibility of a major female pop star assuming the role of the mutant Dazzler. The rumored Director Michael Bay insisted that everything must coincide within the boundaries of reality. Here's a quote from the rumored Director himself."Well, first off, I don't really like Mutants, so I'm not going to shoot her orchestrating the hypnotizing light shows that she's know for. Instead, I'm going to to have her utilize a mini-gun equipped with a state of the art launcher that dispatches nano-infused force detonators". Dazzler is set to be released on February 14 2012.
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As long as he is voiced by Rade Serbedzija. Every time I read a comic with Doom in it I hear his voice.I second Naomi Watts as Sue Storm.
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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007932.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
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I know it's hard, dealing with temperamental Hollywood people, and I don't know how much control you really had over the long list of shitty movies attached to your name, but if you bring Arnold out of retirement and paint him orange to have him play Ben Grimm, I will go on an unstoppable rampage through every media store in Southern California, smashing every DVD copy of every movie you've ever made. Yeah, I remember what ought to be one of the most poignant bat-villains shouting "chill" at a nipple-suited, bored-looking George Clooney. You have something to prove, young man. Prove us all wrong. Please. Please do.
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Have you ever been to this site before? Go re-read the front page articles.
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...would be a good start. Chris Evans can stay, but Ioen Gruffulufagus (sp?) has to go.
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is coming to an end. you can't perpetuate success forever.
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...where Media Messiah is now taking credit for the Disney/Marvel deal. Just when you thought he couldn't possibly get more delusional...
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...all of the criticism projected toward the first too films for being "too silly"? Unhh... that's exactly how the source material is. It's campy, kid-friendly and cartoony. Not every Marvel character translates well to film. FF shouldn't go past the realm of tv/animation.
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Marvel sold the souls of those characters. Don't expect ot ever get them back.
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Amen, brother.
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WHY DO THEY NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING THEY GOT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME?!
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When the entire FF couldn't get out of a locked room in FF2 and had to trick a single guard in order to escape. Awful.
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It had the best script of the original four Batman movies (which isn't saying much, granted). But it should be noted that the original script was written not by Goldsman, but Lee and Janet Scott Batchler. Goldsman was brought in by Schumacher because he wanted Two-Face (the Batchlers' draft featured only the Riddler) and to include more humor. Kilmer was the most physically convincing of any of the Batmen, including Bale, since he practiced martial arts in real life. I also thought the stuff with Robin was well-done. The film had some other problems - campy humor, garish production design and music - but the studio forced Schumacher to make the film kid-friendly. He even had to cut scenes out that would have made the film darker.
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Just keep on starting from scratch. That'll fix it. And maybe if we're lucky we'll actually see a Marvel comic book movie with pre-established backstory that actually GOES SOMEWHERE by the year 2035.
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You missed one on that TBer's list: The Lost Boys. I presume you missed it cause if you actually think it sucks then I think you've got a hate fetish on JS (not that this is necessarily undeserved after the B&R debacle but everyone knows a broke watch is correct 2 times a day, etc). TLB is a much better film than Falling Down (which is excellent up till the 3rd act where it's just 'good'). But I do agree that most of the rest of his resume leaves much to be desired.I know you guys love Chiklis but I have to say I hated him as the Thing. You realize it was Chiklis who supposedly convinced Story not to go with a CGI Thing? I'm not saying it would have been perfect as CGI but holy shit would it have been better than the orange painted football pad shit they used for FF1&2. Evans is perfect. Too perfect really and any time Johnny shows up it should be Evans. He's also the most talented actor in the previous FF films so give the role to him if he wants it. For the Thing, I don't know about specific people and I'm mostly unfamiliar with the comics but isn't he a big guy? Not Wolverine height? As in over 6' tall? And HUGE? 500+ lbs? Marvel directory lists him as 6' and 500lbs straight up. No, he simply cannot be shorter than the Invisible Girl/Woman.I think the most critical casting is Doom. But then just like FF made decent actors look terrible and beautiful girls look creepy, my guess is unless they get a stellar director, it can only get worse.Oh yeah..count me as someone who can appreciate Batman Forever. But that's mainly cause of Drew Barrymore and Debbie Mazar slinking around in white and leather lingerie and a ridiculous over the top performance by Jones. Hate O'Donnel though and never really liked the guy who played Alfred in the pre-Nolan Batflicks (Caine is just perfect casting to me).
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I get so sick of people saying that all comic book movies don't have to be dark and brooding like that is all people want. Comic movies don't all have to be like the Dark Knight, in fact I think most comic fans don't want that. What they want is for the movies to be good. Iron Man is a great example, Tony Stark isn't dark or brooding in that, it was true to the source material and it was an awesome movie. Both FF moviess were horribly scripted and cast and were sub par movies all the way around. The Shumaucher Batman movies were terrible concepts and poorly executed. X3 had no plot and Wolverine wasn't much better not to mention some of the worst fx and cg in over 10 years. Those movies aren't "light and fun" they're just bad. Comic fans don't want dark and brooding for everything they just want good movies that are faithful to the source material.
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Waltz as Doom would certainly rock though... Doom scared the crap outta me as a kid when I read those comics. I also vote for a CG/Kirby Ben Grimm.. without the comedy-sized teeth. Oh.. and lose the campiness while you're at it.
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Opening scene.. live-action cover of FF #1 followed by a 5 min. origin montage.. then move on to the good stuff if there is any.
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Considering how incredibly crap the two Fantastic Four films were, bringing on franchise killer Akiva Goldshit is actually a small step up. Y'know, like stepping from cow shit into dog shit.
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I'm beginning to passionately hate this world
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for the most part...there i said it- all of you turds where so over hyped, i think you forgot to watch the movie.
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No one will notice the difference.
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It was supposed to spin off from the end of F42 and that was where FOX wanted to take the F4 franchise instead of doing a straight up F43. But now that this is announced is FOX still going to go ahead with silver surfer? and if they are does that mean it will also be rebooted or will it still take place in the tim story universe which is now no longer going to be the current universe of the films making a silver surfer film not mesh with the current fantastic four films anymore... see FOX this is why it's just easier to make a third F4 film with the orginal cast, hire a new director and make it less campy if you want but in this case a reboot of the franchise hjust gets too confusing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
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and Eric "Doc" Hammer write the script, as they really understand these jet age properties. Read this interview in which Jackson Publick described how he'd handle FF:http://tinyurl.com/2c5vzq"...Reason: What's a more sincere treatment of the Fantastic Four - your sociopathic and screwed-up version, or the 2005 movie version?
JP: Before that movie came out, I thought the best way to do a Fantastic Four movie would be to go full on, Peyton Reed Down With Love with it. Make it take place unapologetically in 1962, us this slick over-designed world as the setting, and make it a comedy. Because those characters are ridiculous. You're never going to get a guy who stretches to be anything but wicked funny. It's a little hard for me to feel the supposed gravity of those situations they get into with a guy named Dr. Doom, for Christ's sake! I go back and forth between thinking whether or not comedy is brave or cowardice in terms of an approach to subject. I guess it depends on what you do with it. Certainly Dr. Strangelove was a form of comedic bravery..." -
Bruce Greenwood as Reed Richards
January Jones as Sue Storm
Seth Rogen as The Thing
Chris Evans as The Human Torch
Viggo Mortensen as Doctor Doom
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I'm ready to leave the planet now.
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...wasn't he interested in making the first one before they went with Story?
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...Except he isn't all rocky, that's just too old school. Also he wears these ratty, but kewl old retro t-shirts and he sits around smoking a bong and making seemingly ironic but actually somewhat pedestrian quips all day. Oh! And he also plays video games and watches a lot of porn. The kids'll love it!
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Hancock was a great movie (with the awkward reveal of the "twist" keeping it from being amazing), Heroes is a great show and all signs point to the Green Lantern flick that Green also wrote being awesome...so...I'm not quite seeing the bad in this news (Besides the fact that it's a Fox flick, of course). What, Akiva Goldsman? If you are seriously going to blame HIM for how awful Batman and Robin is, then you're mind is warped. It was The studio Big-Wigs at the WB who mandated Goldsman to make a ridiculous, campy, kid-friendly bat-flick. I Am Legend, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man, and The Client prove that Goldsman can deliver the goods when he's not writing with someone else's agenda in mind.
I only hope that Fox leaves him alone and lets him write a great FF movie instead of pushing their mandates onto him and forcing him to write a mediocre one.
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Clooney as Reed, Brad Pitt as Johnny Storm, Elliot Gould as The Thing and Casey Affleck as Sue Storm. Adorable.
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That's where I stopped taking anything else seriously. Sorry, HANCOCK was dumb, uneven action. Punching a kid into the air for a gag and him coming back down to Earth without any physical injuries? Hancock can't open a car door without ripping it off. Please, it's mild-brained nonsense. And HEROES was a great show for 24 episodes in its first season. And then it completely lost its way. But as for saying Goldsman was above reproach with his AWFUL scripts for the BATMAN movies... well you're pushing it beyonf credible now.
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whatever happend to that, he may have produced the first movie but whatever happend to him directing, did he turn it down so he could direct i love you beth cooper
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First point. BATMAN AND ROBIN SUCKED THE SWEAT FROM A DEAD MAN'S BALLS (thanks, Good Morning Vietnam). It was like they paid no attention to what could make it a good movie and paid attention to everything that was wrong with Batman Forever and said DO THAT! Bad script, bad direction, and did I mention a BAD SCRIPT? When they got to the revelation that Alfred had stage one of the disease that only the VILLIAN CAN CURE, I walked out, only to return because the concession stand was closed! Every charatization was badly done, and don't even get me started on DA GOV (Biggest missed opportunity: not getting Patrick Stewart). It came close to shotening Clooney's career, but he rebounded real well (hey, I did Batman and Robin and still managed to get an Oscar later!). So when I see Akiva could be attached to the FF, I just wanna get my shotgun.Second point. I'm a big FF honk from childhood, and I was pissed when I found out the Thing wasn't CGI. That one issue kept a lot of discussion going around here. I still think they should have went that way, even though I didn't hate Chiklis in the role because the heart of Ben Grimm was there, if not the look. But anyone who's seen Gollum and especially Davey Jones knows that CGI will work. And at this point, why not try it?Both FF movies were okay. Just okay. They could be better, but I just don't see that with AG writing. But we'll see, I guess.End of Sermon.
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I actually liked BF a lot when it was released but I tried watching it for 5 minutes not too long ago and it was impossible... Dark Knight has ruined all other Batman movies for me (even the Burton ones to some extent)...And I was not aware that Forever was initially supposed to be a darker film. Always thought Schumacher got too much blame for the Batman movies he did (as AWFUL as they were)...
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He wanted campy, he got campy. From everyone, Goldsman was probably just whoring himself out.
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He wanted campy, he got campy. From everyone, Goldsman was probably just whoring himself out.
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Wow, it looks like SOMEbody hasn't quite reached their nerdbitchrant quota of the day. Sure, it's a bit of a head-scratcher that the kid was alright if you think about it for too long, but then again so is the fact that Hancock can fly, that he's immortal, that he's invulnerable, and that he's apparently a god of some sort. Seriously friend, he CAUGHT the kid. If he would have hit the ground then sure, you'd have a valid point beyond pretentious nerdbitching but in a world where a guy can fly and rip off car doors with his bare hands, it's a tad bit ridiculous to complain about the realism of that scene.
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No he is exactly Wolverine height.
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THAT IS SOOOO WRONG.I might have it on my desk just long enough for my wife to brain me with it.
But Honey...
WHACK!
It's Sue!
WHACK!
It's art!
WHACK!
erruh, buh, baby let me ex...
thud.
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..Kilmer's portrayal of Bats, much better than flabby faced Keaton or Wobbling head Clooney.Anyone who disagrees, should go back to the scene in which two face tries to kill Batamn during that scene Kilmer rises among the flames with a pissed off look on his face.If it wasn't for the shitty script,bad dialog "chicks love the car",and neon lit stages,BF would have prolly beaten all the previous Burton Batman movies.Batman & Robin does not count as it is the worse of all.
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...does this mean that Joel Schumacher isn't entirely to blame for the two shitty Batman movies?
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Are you being sarcastic? If not, you are just flat wrong. Wolverine is not the Things height. Like Cellar Door mentioned, the Thing is 6' tall; Wolverine is listed at 5'3". That is why he is called "runt" and "shorty" in a lot of comics.
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Cause Marvel directory, which is a site a guy created that basically transposes the Marvel encyclopedia online, says he's 500lbs and 6' (as the Thing) and, correct me I'm wrong but isn't wolverine like 5'3" or so? (MD lists him as 5'3", etc)? Even still...they should use some degree of CGI to make his skin not look like old vinyl football pads (that crinkle in the bend of Chiklis's suit reminds me exactly of the way that rubber/nylon padding folded when bent).
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The thing's height depends on who is drawing him
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Reed Richards:
Tom Hanks
Ben Grimm/The Thing:
Bruce Willis
Sue Storm:
Charlize Theron
The Human Torch:
Leonardo Di Caprio
Doctor Doom:
Daniel Day-Lewis OR Ralph Fiennes
Namor:
Keanu Reeves
PG 13 Family entertainment Directed by Spielberg.
Millions in the fucking bank.
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Which is why those Hulk/Thing fights were so rad back in the day... kinda like a bulldog fighting a rottweiler.
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Because I don't.
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Is like a talkbackers why of saying he is wrong without admitting it :)
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Charlize as Sue Storm...nice. Mickey Rourke as The Thing.
How about some True Blood...
Vampire Bill guy as Reed Richards...
Paquin as Sue Storm
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How about casting Lizzy (sigh) Caplan as Alicia Masters... with several nudes scenes, please.
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Super strength breaks bones. Have a nice day.
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It aint necessarily so
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Sep 01, 2009 1:08:15 PM CDT
If you think Fantastic Four should be a comedy...
by vote fa stokes brutha
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That's always been the definitive Thing for me. May not have been the first, but it was the best. And it was pretty imposing-looking fellow; certain not a guy-in-a-suit imposing either.
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That "Doc" Hammer guy is 50% right. It's cowardice to make slapstick out of an idea that's easily pegged as modern comedy. This goes for Fantastic Four, Green Hornet, and the Schumacher Batman movies. As John Byrne says, a writer only calls a character silly or impossible to write if he himself is a bad writer. Love it or hate it, Abrams' Star Trek is high-gloss kitschy fun packaged in a believable and tense way. Same goes for Iron Man. Use this tone for Fantastic Four, and you'll get good stuff. The Surfer movie wasn't awful, but the FF casting is just abysmal.
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Isn't the average height like 5"10 or something, making the thing even at 6 feet above average and tallbut whatever i'm 6'5" so even the thing at 6 feet is short to me, hahaha i'm awesome
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stupid fucking metaphor.
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I think the musical score is one of the movie's more redeeming qualities. I like how crazy it is. The worst thing about Batman Forever, besides the writing and most of the design work, is Tommy Lee Jones' performance.
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Fantastic Four: The Return Of The Nipples
So Batman is rebooted with the great Chris Nolan and Fantastic Four rebooted with the man who helped bring down the Batman franchise?
Both Fantastic Four movies were WAY better than the final two original Batman movies however they ruined Dr. Doom. I liked the guy from The Shield too. Great for his role. -
you are not awesome. you are a freak! You a skinny one or one of those chunky square men?
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Dude...Herc you are quite often a moron. Michael Chiklis is awesome, as was The Shield. I mean, I know it's no BUFFY, but shit...among names like Jessica Alba and Chris Evans, Chiklis is a fucking TITAN.
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It does if you install something new.
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BUBONIC PLAGUE TO MOVIES LET HIM AWAY FROMANYTHING, PLEASE ?
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I thought they made it up as they went along...
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Thought it was a pretty decent film. And it was the role that finally made Jennifer Connelly a household name... so that can't be bad.
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good name.
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Ok there has been some decent suggestions on whom to play Doom, but Christoph Waltz is ABSOLUTELY the best choice if you don't think so you obviously have not seen inglorious Bastards, someone mentioned Mads Mikkelsen, he would be my number two choice.
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You wrote: "Do the guys who make these decisions actually watch movies?"I've gotten the impression that, for the most part, the higher you go up on the hierarchy in the entertainment industry, the less the people involved actually care about the art form. You can have some killer conversations about films with production assistants, but executives just want to talk about their boats or their vacations to Europe.
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Sep 01, 2009 1:47:57 PM CDT
Who gives a shit about Fantastic Four when...
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
We'll finally be getting parachutes in GTA IV!
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How fucking hard can it be???!!!
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Swamp Thing: 3-D? They'd better hire Wrightson if they have half a brain.
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No shit. Give a sculptor some Kirby drawings. Sculpt it. Scan it. Make it move around. Win.
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I remember reading on this site circa 2002 that the FF movie would be a 60s period piece directed by the guy who did Down With Love. If you forget that movie, here is some footage: youtube.com/watch?v=QaqBnw9xA34
That is a movie I would like to see. Doubt that will be the concept for the reboot, but I will keep my fingers crossed nontheless. -
Reed Richards: Tom Hanks $20 Million
Ben Grimm/The Thing: Bruce Willis $20 Million
Sue Storm: Charlize Theron $5 million
The Human Torch: Leonardo Di Caprio
$15 Million
Doctor Doom: Daniel Day-Lewis OR Ralph Fiennes $5 million
Namor: Keanu Reeves-bad choice for $5million
PG 13 Family entertainment Directed by Spielberg.
Millions in the fucking bank.
--Um no.
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AICN LOVES to find people to pick on and bash them mercilessly and eternally. I'm not defending Akiva Goldsman, just pointing out AICN's hypocrisy in these matters.IN ADDITION to the aforementioned projects, Akiva Goldsman has ALSO produced I Am Legend, Jonah Hex, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Constantine and Deep Blue Sea. He wrote the screenplays for The Davinci Code, Angels & Demons, I Robot, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man and A Time to Kill.
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...redoing the origin story? Or is it just referring to recasting? Origin stories are such a tired slog. Just jump in. We don't need to be told about how powers are acquired yet again.
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Body builder type, not Ferigno size but hope to get there one day..fuck, I should be The Thing
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Well... giant rock man... stretchy man... invisible chick... dude who bursts into flames... not the easiest thing to keep from being cheesy. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I can see the difficulty there. There was no excuse for how two dimensional Doom was, though.
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Oh one of them square men. far out.
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...who gave away Marvel character film rights IN PERPETUITY?!?!
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Akiva Goldsman AND Tom Rothman's Fox? Guys, this is going to be worse than BATMAN & ROBIN. It doesn't matter who the director is; it has zero chance of being even a halfway decent movie.
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Mr.Fantastic wasn't great, but worked OK; the Torch and Sue were actually not bad. But the Thing... sorry, but a guy in a rubber suit in a major studio release in this day and age is just not on! It's not like Fox had budget issues. I'm no big CGI fan, I think it's way over-used in fact, and prefer practical whenever possible -- but GOOD practical! Look at the LOTR saga, or Hagrid in the HP films, great things can be done with character size, digitally. Or maybe mo-cap is the way forward for the Thing, or have a rubber suit if you must but build on it digitally... just use the Kirby classic designs and GET IT RIGHT! He's kind of the backbone of the FF and deserves more than the shoddy treatment the series has given him so far.
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Are you listing those movies in defence of Akiva Goldsman? Because you think they prove he's not all shit??
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
**long breath in**
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Pronto!
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that whole city needs to be wiped out for the dumb shit it keeps throwing at us. Fuck throwing water on the fire, throw the dumb fuck execs that keep making these retarded choices!
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who said PREDATOR 2 was kind of good? You fucking CRETIN!
PREDATOR 2 was so shit on so many levels they're still trying to measure, with existing technology, the extent of how shit it is. It turns out there may not be enough shit in the universe to compare that movie to. The CERN particle accelerator is designed specifically to measure the amount of suck that PREDATOR 2 generated upon its release, and whether or not it poses a threat to the rest of reality.
The theory is that the potentiality of Bill Paxton combined with the greatness of Gary Busey (to the power of an early Adam Baldwin cameo multiplied by the scene with King Willy being done in) is all that saved the universe from disappearing up its own arse when PREDATOR 2 was released. The experiment at CERN will slam two opposing, specially created, James Cameron-chaperoned 3D Imax developed PREDATOR 2 prints directly at each other at the speed of meh. The resulting suckage should be contained by two rings running the entire film ouvre of Vin Diesel in perpetuity - the ration of greatness to suckage holding the P2 potentiality implosion in stasis whilst examination is carried out.
Even a black hole cannot withstand the mass suckage that is PREDATOR 2. Nothing Stephen Hopking, Bill Paxton or Danny Glover can EVER do will undo it. Worst movie - worst sequel - worst ACTING of all time. Scientifically proven, stone cold solid gold FACTAGE. With added FACT. -
Here's why they suck:
I Am Legend - Read the novel. The movie sucked. Oh, and the CGI was SHITE.
Jonah Hex - They fired the CRANK guys and Akiva polished it? And Megan Fox is required to ACT? FAIL.
Mr. & Mrs. Smith - Whilst there is a certain satisfaction to seeing Brad Pitt hoof Anglelina in the stomach with all his might - then watch her beat seven shades of shit out of him in return - the movie was a bit limp. Admit it.
Constantine - Not a fucking patch on the graphic novels. Have you even READ any of the sources of these movies you're hurling up in Akiva's defence, ROF??
Deep Blue Sea - A good chunk of cheesy cheesiness, best enjoyed on Saturday night with friends, pizza and beer. Lots of beer. But basically, a bit shit.
The Da Vinci Code - Unforgivably dull. Shit.
Angels & Demons - As above, so below. Shit.
I Robot - Asimov greatness made bland and slick. Aw HEEEEELL Naw. And they even managed to force Alex Proyas to make his first boring movie. Alex fucking Proyas! Whose first movie was THE CROW and his second DARK CITY! FUCK OFF!!! ABSOLUTE SHIT!!!
A Beautiful Mind - I'll give you that. Not bad, if a little sentimental.
Cinderella Man - See above. Always safe, always predictable, from the Godfather of Dull and Predictable, Ron Howard.
A Time to Kill - I will DEFINITELY let this one pass, if only for that barnstorming courtroom summing up finale greatness, and Sam LJ - "Yes, they deserved to die, and I hope they burn in Hey-ell!!!"
Not a lot of wins in there, REVENGE_OF_FETT. Much raw suckage. Epic fail on your shoulders, son. -
In fairness, the movie many of us remember her most for is LABYRINTH.
Dance, magic, dance!
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I have no idea what that sentence even meant. I am a Luddite, sent to doom you all.
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Time to grow up.
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Had they made it word for word from the original script TONIGHT HE COMES, it would have been the most interesting R-rated superhero movie ever made. As it is, they cut the bollocks off the script and made it a dull, confusing mess. I enjoyed it at the time, but by the time I was in the multiplex toilets pissing away that litre of coke I sank in the movie, I forgot everything that happened. Fun at the time... but utterly forgettable.
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Sep 01, 2009 3:13:40 PM CDT
If you're going to reboot, then follow THE INCREDIBLE HULK model
by spyguy
Retell the origin during the opening credits sequence so you can jump right in to the new story from the start. Just leave out the bullshit where Doctor Doom gains electrical powers and metal skin.
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Sep 01, 2009 3:20:19 PM CDT
Gmail servrs are having problems! THE WORLD IS OVER!!
by lockesbrokenleg
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Hold an audition.. do they even do that anymore or do they just blindfold each other and throw darts at Us Magazine?
Sue Richards: previously unknown person who looks like Sue Richards and can act.
Reed Richards: previously unknown person who looks like Reed Richards and can act.
Johnny Storm: previously unknown person who looks like Johnny Storm and can act.
Ben Grimm: previously unknown CG rock man (as conceived by Kirby) who sounds like Ben Grimm and can act.
Victor Von Doom: Christoph Waltz
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It's destined to be shit; you're only setting yourselves up for disappointment if you're expecting anything halfway watchable.
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Sep 01, 2009 3:22:44 PM CDT
Reed = Greenwood, Sue = Watts, Johnny = Kwanten, Thing = CGI/Wil
by spyguy
With Christoph Waltz as Doctor Doom, looking like the inspiration for Darth Vader.
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Sep 01, 2009 3:23:57 PM CDT
"We don't need to be told about how powers are acquired yet agai
by big jim
That's one of the problems with super-hero movies - no one seems to know what to do after they have done their version of the origin story. The Spider-man movies were just a bunch of origin stories: #1 has Spider-man's origin as well as the Green Goblin; #2 we get Doc Octopus' origin; #3 it's all about how Sandman and Venom came to be, and we revisit Spidey's origin with a new (and excessively unnecessary and really stupid) twist. One of the things I liked about Daredevil was the economic use of his origin story.
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Invisble Girl - Kate Winslet
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All of this "not everything has to be dark and brooding" bullshit. Yes. Not everything has to "be" the Dark Knight, but generally speaking,a movie need to actually be GOOD. Period. The FF universe is huge. It should be treated as such, with respect, and humor. Not the Tim Story syfy channel buttfucking school of filmmaking.
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FFFFFFUUUUUCCCK THE FANTASTIC 4 MOVIES.
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is brilliant. He's big, hammy,posh and scary at the same time. Perfect.
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A movie is only as good as you allow it to be. I think this one will suck.
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You just named every aspect of a great supervillain.
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Oh yeah I know, I loved Labyrinth (and Rocketeer). I just mean Beautiful Mind finally got her the attention she deserves. I think she's one of the better actresses working today.
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shitty cast choices?
Oh come on, i put together an ALL-Star cast.
Hanks and Willis would be great in the lead! They would both fit their roles and they are just a year apart in age.
They could pass for 2 guys that are old college buds.
I do agree with the budget going up with these choices. But hey, doing it RIGHT...They would have a license to print money.
And while Chiklis WAS the best THING about the 2 fantastic turds he was basically doing a Willis impression.
Works if they are going for tv actors doing lame impressions of these characters i guess.
No. Go for the originals and Fuck the budget. If Cameron can get 400 MILLION whatever for AVATAR(which is gonna rock),
Spielberg could work something out. Maybe a percentage for the leads. Like Jack got for the Joker.
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Michael Emerson as Mole Man, or Puppetmaster
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..could work. He would make a rockin' Thanos as well. Oh and he was freakin' brilliant in "The Proposition".
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Do NOT say that about Doc Hammer. Venture Bros. is probably the best thing on TV right now. And I think his approach is right. FF should be a "comedy" in the sense of lighthearted, not the dreaded "grim and gritty." FF was and always will be about optimism, which is why I find Marvel Zombies such an abomination. I don't know if it should be an actual period piece, but it should have that sunny optimism that suggests that "SCIENCE!" will always save the day. And Hammer's right about Doctor Doom. It's actually sillier, IMHO, to rework Doom as a Donald Trump wannabe. Doom HAS to be supreme ruler of Latveria, an Eastern European backwater that somehow survived the Cold War. FF should be outsized, not "realistic;" in fact, I would suggest it not even be part of the other Marvel movie universe.
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kinda like green lantern.
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he would be a very pervy watcher. I like to watch
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Thank you. I try.
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in a non-fox x-men movie.
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Yes, definitely LABRYINTH. Also ROCKETEER, CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. but re-mam-bered most for INVENTING THE ABBOTT'S
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He "grabbed-shoved" or at least that's how I saw it..there's plot holes and then there's plot holes. This guy can't have sex for fear of blowing holes in the roof but he the director (not a 100% complete and utter hack, Berg) didn't think that having him "punch" a kid wouldn't splatter his skull into a million fragments?Get HD dudes...you wouldn't miss this shit (altho I didn't see it on HD and still got that he didn't punch the kid but grabbed-shoved-threw whatever, in the air).Seems a lot of the "this is a plot hole!" nonsense going on when the issue is people just missing something or (gasp) ignoring something to make their own point? Not defending or attacking...just sayin.
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See above post by Cellar Door. There was absolutely no punching. And I will, thank you :-)
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George Takei as Mr. Fagtastic
Neil Patrick Harris as Sue Storm
Rosie O'Donnell as The Thing that goes in your ass
Alexis Arquette as The Human Flamer
Rupert Everett as Doctor Doom
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Cause I freakin LOVED him in Kung Fu Panda. I haven't seen much of Deadwood but I hear he's kick ass in that as well. He can certainly carry great menace and wit with his voice but he might be a bit old unless they go with a Clooney or Goldblum for Richards...Oh and lockesbrokenleg? You sir, are a genius. Casting Bill Shattner as the Thing is not only batshit nuts, it could work, and camp, serious, bugnuts chaotic, it would be celluloid GOLD any way you slice it. Shatter has gone all the way through crazy to the other side and he didn't have to act like a fkin buffoon to do it (see Gary Busey, Crispin Glover, etc).
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Keanu Reeves...Yeah, not my favourite actor. BUT. He would work as Namor.
And he could pull off the look:
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for Sue.
Reed is a geek and Vic runs a gang called the Doomsters who push Latverian marihoochie.
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Strip down Alan Cumming, paint his ass green and cast him as a gayed-out Impossible Man for some much-needed comic relief... the first two were too dark and heavy.
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ROTSS was a marked improvement over FF1,but they never did quite get the characters right. They really screwed up on Thing. Chiklis just did NOT pull it off. He also never really got to do anything. Human Torch was spot-on though. As for Batman Forever,..it was MUCH better than the awful Batman Returns. Returns wasn't even a Batman movie. It was a bad Tim Burton movie with a guy dressed up like Batman. Forever had its groan-worthy moments, but it was also generally fun. I like the idea of a reboot for Fantastic Four, but they've GOT to get the casting right. Bruce Greenwood as Richards would be phenomenal! Thing will probably have to be CGI to do him right.
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I agree it should have WIT, but it's shouldn't be mocking. I suppose I may have projected a bit of my own bitterness onto Hammer's statement. We just live in an age where many studios and writers are either embarrassed to take pulp ideas seriously or can't accept them unless they're emotional torture porn.
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brilliant
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BATMAN RETURNS sucked compared to BATMAN FOREVER??
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Granted, Batman REALLY should not have flamed the clown to death - Bats don't kill, remember, Tim?? - but FOREVER was so over-the-top it was a fucking joke from start to finish. Apart from Kidman vamping it up, there was only one scene I enjoyed in FOREVER:
RIDDLER: How do ya punch a guy??
TWO-FACE: It's real simple, sonny, you just make a fist, reach way back and assert yourself!
THAT was some funny shit. But it WASN'T a Batman movie. It was some Stephen Chow stuff, which is awesome - but did NOT belong in a Batman movie.
BATMAN RETURNS, on the other hand, was the perfect marriage of the Batman mythos and the Tim Burton goth melancholy that he does so well. They will NEVER do a better Penguin. No, not even if Nolan cast Philip Seymour Hoffman. And I can't see Nolan casting the greatness that is Christopher Walken in his oh-my-god-it's-so-REAL movie.
BATMAN RETURNS was the closest thing to a perfect 70s/80s style GN Batman movie you could hope for. And with Christian "Humour is FAILURE, PAIIIIIIIIN IS AAAAAACTIIIIING" Bale as the most boring Batman EVER, the third movie better have a villain at least half as good as Heath Ledger's Joker, or that movie is dead in the water. Because, in all the hype about how eyeball-fuckingly AWESOME TDK is, we all forgot one thing: BATMAN BEGINS was SHIT.
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like on this statue:http://tinyurl.com/n5bovtWith the Chiklis suit, they should've made it that lime, green screen color, and then they could've enhanced it. But I agree that mocap would be better. Hire Image Engine; they did the Prawns/Poleepkwa.
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Since this became all about Batman...How about some Casting for Snyders THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS instead? Hey, it's gonna happen...
Bruce Wayne: James Brolin. He was a fucking deadringer for Bale when young.
Alfred: Michael Caine
Superman: Christopher Reeve (CGI head)
The Joker: Jack Nicholson
Two-Face: Ray Liotta
Gordon : Nick Nolte
Green Arrow: Gary Busey
Yeah, i stole the last two from the Aicn forum. They rocked.
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and it was called The Incredibles.
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Okay, that's hyperbole. But the writing is just cringe-worthy, at times as bad as the Schumacher movies, using the same 60's Batman TV show word play: "I am Catwoman. Hear me roar." Catwoman: "Somebody say fish? I haven't be fed all day!" Batman: "Eat floor."Batman: "High fiber." F)(!)%(CKING AWFUL
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was an unexpected triumph compared to the previous Batman fucks...er...films. Returns was just as over the top as Forever. Don't think so? Hmm... lets see:
Army of missile loaded penguins? check
Batman kills guy with bomb? check.
Giant Duckmobile?. check
Christopher Walken mumble speech? check.
Art Dept. on speedballs and Jolt? check.
random bat-vehicle, specially designed to travel through ice encrusted sewer systems? check.
Returns was dark camp, if there is such a thing, whereas Forever was just the movie version of the Batman tv show.
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"This sandwich that I found in the vaccuum cleaner bag with all the dog hair and sand all over it is quite preferable to that sandwich floating in the truck stop urinal. FACT!" -
Catwoman: "Somebody say fish? I haven't washed my cratch in days!"
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...now not to have a Pixar animated FF.
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However ALL the budget in the world...And the PERFECT cast.
and a MINIMUM of middle-management and NO studio interference from hairdressers turned producers with CRAP ideas. Giant Spiders and what-not...Would be for naught if they would not have a good script. So Goldsman: Write the hell out of that script. You can do it. -
Perfect.
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What IS the plan with the Surfer now? I say let the license roll to Disney, then they hand it over to PIXAR and Werner Herzog. Give him 100 million and three years, and let him run with it.
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"Goldsman: Write the hell out of that script. You can do it."
If not. Quit the assignment.
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The first movie stunk, the second was passable but I'm not sure I can picture them being any better. Not showing Galactus was a gutless move. Get someone with something on his resume besides a Queen Latifa bomb.
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That the Penguin is a child murderer in Returns?
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That instead of Galactus, we get a tropical depression in space.
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Yes, it's not that Kirby sweetness, but it was still a neat visual.
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Fox can slash the budget and still make a big profit with this one.
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a cheesy fashion, as they correspond to the Greek classical elements: Mr. F flows like Water, Sue is Air (invisibility, invisible force fields), Johnny obvious, Ben is Earth. Franklin could be Aether (god-like powers). If you wanted to add two more to make it the Medieval classical elements, Silver Surfer would be Mercury, and Doctor Doom would be Sulphur.
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Just as good as any X Men
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Bringing in the B&R writers? It's literally the one movie worse than FF. So Fox is truly, and purposely trying to run Marvel into the ground. Maybe Disney can save their ass!
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His suit was on par with Green Goblin, as both were rejected concepts from Mighty Morhin' Power Rangers.
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Was there ever a golden era for SciFi from FOX? y'know, before the dark times?
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Ick!
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Sep 01, 2009 5:23:38 PM CDT
Batman warns Reed Richards ahead of time, FF set trap...
by mrmysteryguest
for Goldsman
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Like a Surfin' Dr. Doom!
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(I already posted this elsewhere but I summed up what I felt nicely here so I thought I'd repost.) It's just fucking awful. I mean seriously....what is there to like??
The performances?? With the exception of Walken everyone ranges from being dull(Keaton) as shit to annoying(De Vito) as shit.
Production design??Again terrible. There wasn't one moment in the entire film where I felt like Gotham was a real place. It all looks like it was shot on a cheap soundstage and every statue looks like it was made out of plastic. Contrast that with the real and organic feeling sets of Blade Runner to get a feel for how big this movie just gets it wrong.
Characterization?? Selina is the only person in the entire movie who I gave a fuck about and even she gets annoying after a while. Batman himself has about two minutes of screentime and instead of an arc of some kind when he's on screen he just moodily stares out of a window or at his fire place. I love ya Tim but come on!! YOu have to try harder than that. Batman also annoyingly has no relationship with Gordon whatsoever. He speakes to him once and doesn't even look at him. The Penguin is shockingly bad. Everything about him and De Vito's hacky interpretation makes me want to take a meat tenderizer to his forehead. Why must everything he say be some horrible unfunny pun?? Why does he have to talk like he has asthma?? Why does he keep puking over himself?? Nolan doesnt even really have to try and he could do a better Penguin.
Dialogue?? Fuck...it may even be worse than Batman Forever. Campy as shit. Observe this exchange between Catwoman and Batman.
*while fighting* Catwoman: I haven't eaten all day.
*Batman grabs catwoman and throws her on the ground*
Batman: Eat floor. High in fiber.
Uhhhh.....what the fuck?? Seriously all its missing is the cartoon sound effects and it would be the same as Forever. Anyone remember the Penguin army on with the rockets strapped to their backs?? Someone explain to me how that is any LESS retarded than The Riddlers plan in Forever. Anyone?? Thats what I thought. And I haven't even mentioned The Penguins awful...awful...fucking puns that spew out of his mouth about every two seconds or so. Is everyone going to just let that slide because the movies dark and it snows? I like Burton too but when he fucks up he REALLY fucks up. Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory come to mind.
Score?? Complete shi....actually you got me there. Elfman always delivers. His Hulk score is probably my favorite score for any superhero film. His score here is just as good as anything he produces.
I'm to lazy to think of a way to sum this all up and I'm really hungry so that will be all. Btw one good thing about the movie I forgot to mention was Batman's cool looking armor in this one. Or at least the top half looked cool. His lame goth boots kind of ruined it. -
I've never really been a fan so I dont really care all that much. That said a reboot sounds like an awful idea. It worked with Hulk but that was a fluke. I think people are going to reject any new people they try to put into these roles even though the two previous movies were dog shit. That said(yeah Im using it again and theres nothing you can do to stop me) this might be a good thing as the rights will go back to Marvel/Disney and then maybe they can make a Pixar F4 film down the road.
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of the kid, HANCOCK was a pretty mediocre example of storytelling. The family's special dish is spaghetti and meatballs? OMG! How fucking original is that? Oh, and the 10,000 times Hancock says "I'm the only one of my kind"... that wouldn't by chance be a little foreshadowing, eh? Or all the painfully obvious looks Charlize throws him in every scene they have together. Please.
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I said it then and I'll say it now, yer wrong. Returns is ten times the film Forever is, with a clear central theme that's backed up with some decent (though admittedly not great) action scenes and charismatic performances. Most of all, if you watch the scenes between the four main characters there's chemistry and rapport between all of them. The actors in Forever couldn't look more misplaced or uncomfortable with each other if they tried.
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Is when Batman is in the car spying on The Penguin. It's such a great scene. I also enjoy the end of the movie.
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At least at some moments in BF, I felt like I was actually watching a Batman film. I have know idea what Batman Returns was, but they should definitely had taken "Batman" out of the title. But in any case, it's like comparing shit to piss. The first 3 Batman films (B & R doesn't count as a movie) all sucked because they were all BINO. Batman Returns being the most BINO out of the bunch, as it takes the most liberties with the characters. There's also like 45 minutes straight where Batman isn't even in the film. Plus he straps a bomb to a dude and blows him up at one point. And yea, if you know anything about Penguin in the comics, then you'd realize that DeVito's Penguin was awful. His personality was more like Killer Croc's in the film if you ask me. Penguin is suppose to be perfectly sane, refined, and aristocratic. Not some drooling psychotic monster.
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Val is a great Batman. Carrey was awesome. Jones was kinda shitty. But, all in all I enjoyed it.
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All of Goldsman's films, or at least all the ones I've seen from the lists above, are generic hollywood mediocrity at best, despicable, amateurish hackwork at worst. Whatever you expect from a Goldsman film, quality or source accuracy is never going to be a feature.
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the two films....just not by as much as everyone seems to think. The action scenes are better in Returns but thats not really saying anything and as I said above I'm going to have to disagree with you(and about 80% of geeks) about the charasmatic performances. People have been telling me how much an idiot I am for feeling this way about the movie for years so I'm kind of used to it by now though.
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I actually agree with you. Those few seconds were Batman drives by and spies on The Penguin through his window while the Elfman score gets all moody and dark were pretty cool. Probably one of the few moments I liked in the movie.
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in ANY of the non-Nolan Batman films? Or either of the plots in the FF films, for that matter...
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The more I'm thinking it just MIGHT work. It also just might be terrible. More than likely it will be mediocre.
Nonetheless, some thoughts:
No "Jessica Alba" types as Sue Storm, please, and if your going to, EMBRACE their slight racial/physical/whatever differences from how Sue is drawn in the comics. In the second fantastic four film it was quite obvious that they tried to transform Alba into a blond-haired blue-eyed "pure-bread" white person and the result was just creepy. Seriously...the blue contact lenses they had her wearing haunt my nightmares.
The Thing should be a mixture of Practical and Motion Capture. The Thing-suit of the previous FF movies was a step in the right direction, but it was only half-way there.
Make Mr. Fantastic "flow" (as a previous talkbacker suggested), not just "stretch". And If they cast a British actor in the role, then cast someone who can more believably act in an American accent. Ioan Grufford is a great actor, but he didn't pull the accent off so well...
Dr. Doom = Darth Vader, in that Dr. Doom needs to be IMPOSING. Doom was decent in the previous films, but imposing he was not.
And lastly, if they are going to go "dark" it NEEDS to be in the proper context of who the FF are as characters. Focus on the toll being Mega-Celebrities takes on them and how it effects their roles as protectors. The previous films touched on this to an extent, but it wasn't taken as far is it could have (or should have) gone.
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Sue can use forcefields to keep it tight.
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I remember getting chills at that part. I love it when Alfred comes on and Batman talks to Alfred. It was just like in the comics.
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Also, they shouldn't try to make it as real world as possible (something that could be a future bane for the Marvel studios flicks). I want to see the Negative Zone, the Inhumans, impossible Kirby-tech, etc.
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Tim Burton always brings his own style to his movies (minus the Apes movie). He has a unique eye for design that's very in tune with the art in comics. Unlike Nolan, who has better stories but keeps trying to be Michael Mann.
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You could skew darker if you wanted, theres plenty of material, why make people sit through another origin? The first ones were fine, you change tones without redoing everything.
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Keep the tone serious, but upbeat and not lacking in levity, and make the characters look more like the Batman comics aesthetic, but not stagey or over-stylized, a la Burton. What I'm saying is, live action Batman: The Animated Series. The Nolan version seems embarrassed of the source material to me. And stop giving more screen time to the villains. This is the main reason why I like Begins better than TDK.
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opening credits, like The Incredible Hulk. Then we could have flashbacks for stuff such as the old gang + Doom meeting at uni.
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Good luck. You will be a part of this film's $5 million opening weekend gross.
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Victor Von Doom: Michael Fassbender
Sue Storm: Melissa George (In Treatment)
Ben Grimm: Jeffrey Dean Morgan/CGI
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sometimes we are paid money to do jobs. sometimes we do the jobs to support our families, etc. while not always ethical, there are WORSE things than writing a movie that ends up bad... especially since the studio and schumacher are also responsible... and we are for SEEING the movies. UNACCEPTABLE is shooting innocent children. but because of those, i am guessing he was able to write:
Fringe
I Am Legend
Cinderella Man
I, Robot
A Beautiful Mind
Practical Magic
Lost in Space (meh)
A Time to Kill
The Client
sometimes we can't be artistic martyrs, we take the work we get.
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So it appears to me as if Hancock didn't live up to YOUR expectations of what it should have been. And that's fine. But to claim that the movie is terrible and that the people involved are awful as a result, and to do so outside of the frame of reference of your own PERSONAL expectations and beliefs about the movie (and about cinema in general) is just off base. And that's really the point I was trying to make. I apologize if my posts came off as hostile, as that wasn't my intention.
Hancock wasn't the greatest movie on earth. The writing wasn't oscar-worthy. But it was good movie, and moreover a refreshing and original Superhero story. It's not perfect by any means, the "twist" that there was another one of his kind was handled terribly. It was awkward, and it just did NOT fit in organically with the other story elements that surrounded it. That being said, after that terribly awkward twist reveal, the movie got it's legs back fairly quickly.
I'll reiterate: The reason I'm criticizing your comments is because your stating your opinion as fact, and that's something that irks me to no end. Just because YOU don't like a movie does NOT mean that the movie itself is a bad film. THAT is the difference between what we down here do in the talk-back section and what Harry and the gang do up there when they post articles. There NEEDS to be a certain measure of objectivity (of course, it's impossible to be completely objective when writing about film, as watching movies is a deeply personal experience) when talking about whether a film is TRULY a "good" or "bad" example of film-making.
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does anyone else like the newest FF cartoon? well animated, fun, kinda crazy stories that are funny and well voiced.
FF is meant to be campy sci fi, imho, it has never been a change-the-world kind of franchise.
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I agree, to try and make the film as realistic as possible, in the case of a Fantastic Four film at least, would be self-defeating.
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How fucking cool would it be to see FF in a Spider Man? Or Spidey cameo in Iron Man 3?
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as Susan Storm.
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I'm going to have to agree with the defense of Akiva Goldsman. In order to survive in the world of professional screenwriting one HAS to, at times, write whatever kind of script the studio wants, regardless of how awful it is. When the studio has a specific mandate, as it did with B&R, a writer needs to follow it to the last note that the studio gives them if they expect to get a paycheck (and if they expect to get more work from said studio). I believe that fightclubtb said it best: As a professional screenwriter, one just CAN'T be an artistic martyr. Not if they want to make a living off of being a screenwriter. It's a pretty crappy reality, but it's the reality of the situation nonetheless.
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Yep, the only one to be on board with this is that degenerate Chief Redcock.
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...Especially after The Dark Knight and Iron Man. The characters in FF are like cartoons no matter what you do. They're better off selling this property to Disney/Pixar and let 'em have their way with it...
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While I think Batman Forever was bad, I thought Batman returns was just God awful, and Danny DeVito's Penguin was just embarrassing bad. He was a freak and a joker; not a villain. You never felt like he was a threat or a danger to the hero, and he you couldn't imagine he could ever go up against Batman. Physially Danny Devito nor the Penguin could ever confront anyone, but Batman Return's Penguin was such a crude and idiotic creature you could never imagine him outsmarting or challenging Batman mentally as well.
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Sep 01, 2009 6:52:03 PM CDT
I'm a big FF fan but I don't think we need this movie now
by continentalop
To many superhero movies getting made nowadays as it is - let this one set for awhile and bring it back later.
But I do think the FF could work. It is basically the first Star Wars movie:
Johnny Storm - Luke
Reed Richards - Obi-Wan
Sue Storm - Princess Leia
Ben Grimm - Han Solo' s attitude with Chewie's physical presence.
Dr. Doom - Darth Vader
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These guys make it sound like those 2 films were all Akiva's idea! Even Schumacker says he was getting constant studio pressure to keep adding in more and more stupid shit so they could sell toys, etc. You can hardly blame Akiva for that! Yeah sure, he could have said "Fuck you, most powerful studio in the entertainment world, I'm not adding in fucking Batskates!". And that would have been THE END of his career. They would have just got somebody else to put in the stupid Batskates. The man won a fucking OSCAR! Show some goddamn respect!
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Runs and jumps out of window
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Johnny Storm = Alexander Skarsgård or Charlie Hunnam
Sue Storm = Naomi Watts, Charlize Theron.
Ben Grimm / The Thing = Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson or Michael Duncan Clarke (hey, he doesn't have to be white)
Reed Richards = I like the Bruce Greenwood suggestion. Other ideas would be George Clooney or Tom Hanks.
Doom = Viggo Mortensen
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http://tinyurl.com/ypj5le
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Reed Richards:Campbell Scott. Doom:Viggo Mortensen or Ralph Fiennes. Sue Storm:Naomi Watts. Ben Grimm:Kyle Chandler/Jeffrey Dean Morgan/CGI. Johnny Storm: Charlie Hunnam. Alexander Skarsgard should be signed immediately for the role of Steve Rogers. He's the ONLY choice.
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http://tinyurl.com/49xljb
Lets move on.
This blaming of the director or even the writer should really stop. Schumacher is not George Lucas. By all accounts Joel Schumacher and and Goldsman were hired to do a job. A certain way.
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Sep 01, 2009 8:14:20 PM CDT
I was kinda hoping they would keep going with the current one
by thelordofhell
At the end of the 2nd movie, Dr. Doom was sinking in the ocean. I was hoping that the Sub-Mariner would find him and we would have a great time with Dr. Doom and Subs vs the 4.
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Alexander Skarsgård...
as Captain America?
Im sorry, that's...
Worse than my Statham for Iron Fist casting. Yeah, i knew that one would not have been entirely true to the character and all. I just went with the people i wanted to see in a buddy-cop type style movie.
But...Skarsgård? Really?
This guy has been casting himself as the lead role in every big hollywood movie since Attack of the clones...
Alexander...is that you?
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Nuff said.
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The writer and the director shouldn't be held responsible for the terrible script or direction. The production designer shoudn't be held responsible for the horrible eyesores masquerading as sets. It's not the actors' fault they couldn't deliver a single line in a non-embarrassing way.No, it was the executives. It was their idea to put nipples and a codpiece on the batsuit, they forced Schumacher to make everything ultra-campy, and the personally wrote every bad line in the film, all because they WANTED to make a film that would go down as one of the worst of all-time.Seriously, it was Goldsman and Schumacher (and to a lesser extent the entire cast, costume and set design team and the visual effects team) that fucked it up, you can see their contempt for the project and the characters themselves in every frame of the thing.
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should do a Boogie Nights Version with Donky Dick refs and a cocaine scene involving Sue in invisible Rollerskates asking Doom if he'd be her "Mom".
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Ultimately they did the hiring and Set the ground rules for what kind of product they wanted to have.
Come on, im pretty sure Arnold could have played an ICE COLD villain, The Terminator!? He WAS however not hired to act like that.
He was hired to act like he was on the 60's batman show and spout moronic oneliners and ice-puns.
I think we all know that Arnold can do better oneliners than in B&R.
Undecided about the Goldsman dude though.
Has he written anything decent. Ever? A beautiful mind i guess.
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As DOOM is pretty good though.
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Yeah, it's pretty common to rag on Lester for Superman II. It's kind of pointless, because he's more or less retired. But frankly, Donner has never made a movie that can come close to A Hard Day's Night.
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Have you seen 'Generation Kill'? Skarsgard was pitch-perfect in that. Fundamentally decent but disciplined and tough. I think he'd make a great Cap. Can't I get a shout out for casting Campbell Scott? That guy is PERFECT for Reed. Let's just hope they actually cast age-appropriately for the FF this time around... Hopefully studios have eased up since seeing how much ass the over-40 Robert Downey kicked as Iron Man.
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....in the first place! Same with the 'HULK', then we wouldn't need all this 'rebooting'. I don't care how much money the first 2 movies made (more a testament to the popularity of the characters, than an indicator of the quality of the movies), this 'superhero team' could have been so, so great....but Tim Story and co. screwed it up in so, so many ways as far as I'm concerned. I didn't like ANY of the casting! That's right, even Chiklis who I loved in 'The Shield', looked TOO MUCH like the bald-headed 'Thing' to begin with! Some mug with hair would have made for a more radical transformation....and the final 'Thing' makeup cried out for a CGI 'rock' character with HEAVY eyebrows. What a missed opportunity. Evans who was the best of the bunch, was too old, and I reckon 'The Human Torch' should have been an even younger antagonist for Ben to contend with. And don't even get me started on the rest of the casting we ended up with. I'm a Brit, and I wanted an all-American, less 'weedy-looking actor for my 'Mister FANTASTIC', and Alba was another disaster in my book. And 'Doctor Doom' could have been the most badass of 'bad guys' ever put onscreen, compared to the pathetic final look we ended up (in costume and actor). But for depriving us of a Jack Kirby-resembling, 'Godlike', gigantic 'Galacticus' reveal for the finale, Story and FOX can go fuck themselves for eternity.... But bring on that reboot. Maybe this NEXT one can approach the greatness that could have been.
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Basically, it should take place in a world not unlike the Venture Bros., where "SCIENCE!" is the answer to everything. Basically Mad Men with superheroes (which is how they should have done Watchmen in the first place).
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....and just re-do the 'Galactus' threat storyline again, with the REAL one showing up this time!
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Yeah, but we can't see them so what's the point.
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Sep 01, 2009 9:26:29 PM CDT
Avi Arad is the one who PROHIBITED Galactus or Sentinels in X-ME
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
FUCK HIM!!!
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Sep 01, 2009 9:38:36 PM CDT
Marvel should differentiate their movies from the FOX movies
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
make a new logo, like marvel knights
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No. I had not seen this actually. I missed this series when it was on tv over here.
By your suggestion i just checked out some clips on Youtube. Show looks pretty good.
Thanks for the tip. Heres Hoping for a re-run!
Still not sold on him being Cap though. That's probably THE hardest character to cast.
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The Thing..who cares he's a rock
Dr. Doom..who cares he wears a mask
Invisible Girl..who cares she's invisible.
Mr Fantastic..Jason Lee
I know this wont will be at Fox but I 'ld like to see what Gore Verbinski can do with a Marvel Franchise. If not FF then anything else. Seems to be a thin silver lining to the recent news. -
First, i trust that your crap writing on Batman & Robin was a work assignment.
Try to structure it like a trilogy.
You know, like Star wars? But do each one...pretty self contained.
Otherwise you would infuriate the geeks who have to wait 3 years between each movie.
But mostly because all trashy media comes in 3. I learned this from Monkey Island. (Part 3)
So my story suggestions:
Part 1 - Origin, yes AGAIN. But more true to the book and more exciting. Namor as the threat.
part 2 - Silver Surfer.
Part 3 - Obviously Galactus. No thundercloud...
a BAD-ASS DOOM in ALL of them, pulling strings and messing up the FF lives!
Hell! DOOM should be more evil and bad-ass than Darth Vader and Palpatine combined!
Most importantly: Read the comics.
See what works and things of that nature.
If not, go fuck yourself.
Yours truly THE TAINT.
Ah fuck it, im gonna go write three scripts and send them to Fox for free...
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I mean the more recent version where they were all young and Reed was a total horny bastard willing to do anything to get in Sue's panties and all that. That reboot was FUCKING HORRIBLE and a complete EMBARRASSMENT.Just follow the Lee and Kirby ORIGINAL comics! They are still perfect as is!!!
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allowed to live after that garbage, never mind keep writing, and certainly not another superhero flick?
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Ron Howard as the director.
He's got a good working history with Goldsman.
And he's a good guy. I'd trust Ron Howard not to fuck FF up. FOX? Uh...
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Nope. Don't write it like a trilogy, but as a QUARTET.
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My thoughts exactly. I enjoy Nolan's films but think it's about time to lighten things up a bit. I'd love to see a Bat film that gives us a more colorful Bat universe and a grander sense of adventure. A little more humour wouldn't hurt either. Dark Knight was good, but I hope it's as dark as the series gets.
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It's Tom Rothman Who wont allow Sentinels in a X-men Movie and probably he's the reason behing Cloudlactus. I know he's the one who lied and said that the real Galactus was in movie when he wasn't Direct your hate at Tom Rothman.
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shit shit shit shit.......
can we PLEASE get this group the respectable team they all need to be a cohesive unit of solidarity and friendship forever????? >)
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I'm pretty sure I read it here or I heard it in a dvd commentary or an interview that Avi Arad was the one who said because the size and everybody else would seem tiny or some stupid shit like that, scaling issues and cinema.
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I think that's clear. Aronofsky's idea of a hip street punk turning into Batman strikes me as someone that doesn't enjoy the comics. It's obvious that Nolan's research is steeped in O'Neil, Adams, Finger, Moore, etc... Unlike Burton, whose research is steeped in his own obsession with curly-cues and swirls.
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Uh. I was being sarcastic...
I dont wanna do their MILLION $ Bookreports for them!
But the Inhumans would be a GREAT project for pixar though.
Now with the Disney/Marvel thing and all.
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The Incredible Hulk #1. SUCK IT, FAN-BOY!
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You've equally stated your opinion as facts too, so we're both guilty of the same crime. We can agree to disagree. I just happen to think (whether a gun was to Goldsman's head or not) he wrote some bad movies. If he was asked to write bad movies, well bad on him too. I don't see Jonathan Nolan writing bad movies. I don't see other filmmakers compromising their standards to throw in bat-skates, etc. Yes, the studio wanted something kid-friendly after the dreary BATMAN RETURNS. But that doesn't mean you have to go and make something completely brain-dead. GOONIES was a kid-friendly movie and it had brains. Same with the original STAR WARS trilogy. You can do a popcorn flick and have it be well-made. Being under studio pressure is not a free-pass to sucking at your job.
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Sounds like they're serious about fixing this franchise. Bring in the writer of the fan favorite Batman & Robin! Neon Baxter Building! Alicia Silverstone as Valeria, who will not be the Richards' daughter but Alfred's niece! Can't wait!
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Sep 01, 2009 11:36:42 PM CDT
I've always wanted to see Goldblum play Reed Richards.
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
Because he is Reed Richards. He's already played him several times in non FF movies.
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But it was a cinematic masterpiece compared to the horror that was "Batman & Robin." "Batman Forever" at least had the some of the vestiges of Burton's darkly offbeat tone.
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Sep 01, 2009 11:45:47 PM CDT
Not a reboot... simply push the story 15 years into the future.
by dailysportspages
You can then hire a new set of older actors to replace the ones in the movie. Keep the same continuity from the other movies, get away from having to do another origins story.
Reed in his late 40s: Matthew Fox
Doom in his early 50's: Nicolas Cage
Sue in her mid 30's: Sienna Guillory
Johnny in his early 30's: Jensen Ackles
Thing in his late 40's: Ron Perlman
Cage is only good when his role requires overacting... so he would be good as Doom. Plus, he is an A list star that gives the movie instant credibility in the audience eyes. His movies generally make money.
Fox brings the LOST audience with him. Guillory is there for her sex appeal of course, but there are a number of 30 year old actresses who are still hot at that age.
Ackles brings the teen girls who are in love with him and the Supernatural fans... and Perlman brings all the geeks who watch every shitty movie he is in, in other words guys like us.
With Perlman you also can still go practical FX with some CGI touches as they did him up in Hellboy... or they could just use his voice and have him be all CGI. He has a great gravelly NY voice that would work perfectly for Thing.
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They both can act, John Hamm needs to be a superhero sometime.
For a joke Vincent Kartheiser as Johnny Storm and CGI Thing.
Never going to happen but a FF movie set in the 1960's could be interesting. Also hoping for a retro, powered down Supes, but not going to happen as these movies are meant to appeal to 12year olds.
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Skarsgård is brilliant, great work in Generation Kill and True Blood. Should have been cast as Thor.
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That would be more interesting than this. And Evans and Chiklis were the only ones who felt true to their characters, Reed was ok, Alba was wrong they should've gotten Rachel McAdams imo
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Marvel as possible. GhostRider? Sad to see he dragged Eva Mendes back into his sphere of mediocrity.
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Well. To be fair to the guy...
My impressions of his acting skills mostly comes from things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/kt4ptg
"VITA LÖGNER" It was a (horrible) Swedish soap opera.
(Only good thing about it was the badguy PIRU. Best badguy EVER.)
And a bunch of swedish chick-flicks. Ugh.
The True Blood thing. Nope on that too. Maybe hes fantastic in it.
But...I dont give a crap about Vampires. So. Sorry.
I WILL say that this Generation Kill show looks promising though.
Im gonna see if i can get ahold of it.
Of course our other "big" swedish soap "REDERIET" had Mel Gibson in it!:
http://tinyurl.com/6d6t64
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...I believe that's the first time I've ever uttered the phrase "Who writes this shit?". No joke... This man totally killed the boner I had for Batman as a child, in fact I'd go as far as saying this man raped me of my Batman. After Forever I pulled my Empire Strikes back PJ's up and went back for seconds in the form of Batman & Robin-and then that son-of-a-bitch did it again, this time no fucking lube. He should be put on trial and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; don't let him take some kids Silver Surfer away.
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Is gonna rock as Mr X in the Green Hornet.
http://tinyurl.com/23x25m
FEVER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Was the big foot pizza my parents picked up at pizza hut. I got to chow into that shit at the drive in... Anyone remember that pizza? I don't even know if it was good pizza; when you're ten all pizza is pretty fucking delicious right?
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or can they just announce, cast, do script development and then...just kill the project rothman is an evil fuck and will make sure that neither marvel nor disney ever gets their hands back on these properties...watch for lots of direct to video shite
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(Originally posted at http://tinyurl.com/kldruc ...don't know how on the level this is, but it makes for some entertaining reading)
* Editing "Die Hard 4" to make it a PG-13 film even though the previous three, had been R-rated. This pretty much meant that Bruce Willis couldn't say John McClaine's trademark "Yippie-ki-ya, mother *beep* line as it was fully intended.
* The mismanagement of the production for "X-Men 3".
For instance:
**Not waiting for Bryan Singer to finish working on "Superman Returns", and not having a replacement director until I believe weeks before filming was due to start. And when a director is finally hired, it's Brett Ratner, who has grown a reputation for being a hack, douchbag, MTV music video, action director.
**Not waiting for several actors (e.g. James Marsden, Rebecca Romjin, and Anna Paquin) to take care of prior engagements before filming. For in the process, certain characters were "killed off" as a matter of convinence.
**Seemingly rushing the production as means of retailiating against Bryan Singer for heading off to make "Superman Returns" (which also opened in the summer of 2006).
**Tom Rothman also allegedly didn't want Sentinels (the gigantic, mutant hunting robots) appearing in an X-Men film because he believed that audiences would immediately think that giant robots appearing in live-action would be too "silly". This was of course, before "Transformers" (a movie for which Tom Rothman allegedly turned down) came out.
*Ordering Ridley Scott to edit his movie "Kingdom of Heaven" to make it look like a more formulaic action-adventure film, when Scott intended for it to be much deeper.
*Having "Daredevil" edited to make it appear more like a summer blockbuster (i.e. more CGI) in the mode of "Spider-Man". "Daredevil" was initially conceived as a more violent, R-rated film in the mold of Frank Miller's run with the comics.
*Not giving the "Fantastic Four" films a better budget, to go along with hiring Tim Story (who is primarily known as a comedic director rather than a sci-fi, action-adventure director) and aiming for a campy, cookie-cutter, sitcomy feel. Rothman also allegedly thought that it would be better for us to see Galactus as a cloud.
*Trashing plans for an "ID4" sequel.
*Browbeating "LXG" director Stephen Norrington until he quit the business altogether. Rothman also allegedly almost convinced "I, Robot" director Alex Proyas to give up filmmaking.
*Fox screwing with the edit of "Hitman", firing then-director Xavier Gans, and then going back to reshoot certain scenes with a new director.
*Trying to ruin the first "X-Men" movie by cutting down budget and moving the release date from November 2000 to May 2000. "X2"'s budget got cut down too.
*"Said no to "Alien 5" by James Cameron and Ridley Scott because "We have a good script for "AvP"!"
*Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" remake being rushed into production. This resulted in Burton's comment "I'd rather jump out of a window than do "Planet of the Apes 2"."
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....FOX used to be the studio who's product I ALWAYS looked forward to.... Never mind Michael Bay, FUCK YOU Tom Rothman!
I sure hope this next version retains some of that early Kirby greatness about it. -
...I thought after ROTSS that this was the plan? That was the only thing that worked about those movies, although Chilkis was fine as The Thing...
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Waltz as Doom would be great.
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That Johnny Storm was done relatively well in the Fantastic Four movies. Man, I would love to write a Fantastic Four reboot.
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Re: X-men 3. The problems I had with X-Men 3 had nothing to do with the things you mentioned. Marsden as Cyclops was always one of the weaker characters, and while Pacquin was good as Rogue, the whole character written as a teenager was lame, IMHO of course. Romijn was pretty hot, I'll admit. But the biggest mistake was not getting Cumming back as Nightcrawler, because Nightcrawler was probably the most interesting thing about X2 (which, let's face it, wasn't as great as people say). The Sentinels? I didn't like the fakeout in the danger room, but otherwise I didn't miss them. No, what was wrong with X3 can be summed up in "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!"
Daredevil was a weak production, period. LXG was all Connery's fault, and seriously,an ID4 sequel? You would have to prop my eyes open Clockwork Orange-style to get me to see that one. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkt5BB8JbwA&feature=response_watch
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Mark Dacascos as Namor!!
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I WILL CAST THE ENTIRE FOX/MARVEL UNIVERSE. Mr. Fantastic: Kyle MacLachlan / Invisible Woman: Elizabeth Mitchell / The Human Torch: Chris Evans / The Thing: Ray Winstone CGI / Dr. Doom: Gerard Butler / Namor: The Rock / Cyclops: Matthew Fox / Wolverine: Jeremy Renner / Jean Grey: Rosamund Pike / Angel: William Moseley / Magneto: Ian McShane / Beast: Matthew Macfayden / Nightcrawler: Thomas Krenschman / Daredevil: Henry Ian Cusick / Kingpin: Brendan Gleeson / Bullseye: Michael Wincott ... Now everyone can call me a jerk. How do I do paragraph breaks?
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is right. From what I remember, they had to increase the budget in order to finish the film to meet the new release date. But, yeah, the mis-handling of X-3 made that film a cornucopia of missed opportunities and wasted potential.
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Stick to the Tv show Fringue and fuck off of movies, either as a writer, producer or, God forbids, director.Yours truly, AsimovLives
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Yesterday, you "broke" the news that Disney was buying Marvel, after everyone other than you already knew this... now, you're bringing us the Hitler vid that was already linked to in the DISNEY BUYS MARVEL talkback on this website. Read before you post. Please.
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Seriously, it was the stupidest idea I had ever heard of. It was going to have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with a aline invasion. It was essentially going to be a remake of Fantastic Voyage with miniaturized people entering Bill Pullman's body. Absolutely apeshit retarded! Now Fantastic Voyage is a great film and Inner Space was amazing, but trying to shoehorm that into an Independance Day film? NO FUCKING WAY! Rothman was 100% right on that shit.
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someone mentioned this before but lets get away from Doom for awhile and go underground with the moleman.
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You have some good choices there. Kyle MacLachlan would rule.
The Rock as Namor was way better than Keanu. And he could carry a (possible) solo movie.
Paragraph breaks are done like ""whatever"". Without the ".
Like this
And i was waiting for a sequel to ID4 where earth fought back. Starship Troopers style.
Never came though. Fantastic voyage? What the hell...
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with Heather Graham as Sue.
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Sep 02, 2009 4:05:29 PM CDT
I refuse to believe that we won't get an ID4MORE
by vote fa stokes brutha
It's one of the few CG Blockbusters that wasn't turned into a franchise, unless you count the Emmerich Formula as a franchise... and I guess we should. So, I'm wrong.
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Dammit, you're gonna fuck it up all over again!!
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The man can act stretchy, you can't deny that!
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perfect as previous Tbers have said. Keep Chris Evans as Torch and as a lot of people have said Bruce Willis doing the voice of a CGI Thing is the way to go. Chris Waltz as Doom is brilliant. Alternate Mr. Fantastics: Clooney, Greenwood, or Goldblum. all good choices. And as Namor hear me out and you will probably see it too. Alessandro Gassman from Transporter 2 he played the bad guy. His teeth are a little jacked up but he's got the right look and the accent can only help. I seen it the first time I saw the movie.
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If of course, Spider-Woman 2.Yes, solely based on this picture:
http://tinyurl.com/nm6gm2
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