Aug. 28, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Hooded Justice
Prince Caspian was mostly hogwash.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST
i tried to watch it twice but could only get half way through.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
There is. Michael Apted (ROME, THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH). New composer, too - David Arnold this time (STARGATE, INDEPENDENCE DAY, the last five or so James Bond films).
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
...the dragon scene with Eustace had a profound effect on me as a kid...and the whole business with Reepicheep rowing off the edge of the world...beautiful and classic scenes...
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
The guy on the picnic table is ready to pounce!
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST
by Hooded Justice
Thanks for that info. I'd love if they got closer to the brilliant claustrauphobic atmosphere of Pauline Baynes' original illustrations. That would involve a darker, more retrained palette and MINIMAL CGI. The first two movies had a bright plasticky "Disney" feel to them that was disappointing.<p>I hope Apted realises that a battle scene is best kept short and sharp - after a few minutes it gets tedious in the extreme (I'm looking at YOU Prince Caspian, The Two Towers and Return Of The King).
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST
...of these adaptations. The movies are mostly not great, but I occasionally get pulled in despite myself...I suspect it's the music. Well, the music and my childhood longing to live in NARNIA...
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST
but that looks pretty badass. I'd love to take a Carnival Cruise on that.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
Then I could give a shit about these fucking movies. I haven't even seen the first two and it's because there was never any fucking rush to make these until LOTR came out and then every studio was falling over themselves to greenlight every fucking multi-part fantasy series out there whether or not the books were any fucking good.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
I enjoy both Narnia and His Dark Materials. Whoo-Hoo for not caring about the sub-text and just enjoying a fun fantasy!!!
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST
The first film was dull and surprisingly flat.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST
...these movies aren't great, and there WAS a rush to greenlight fantasy novels after LOTR, but NARNIA is children's literature at it's most classic and has been adapted many times in the past...it can't be lumped with the derivative tag-alongs.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST
lions and polar bears. Now that I think about it, they should totally make a Freddy vs. Jason movie with those two.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
lol <p> "Hey! You with the camera, get-aww fuck it, where'd I put can of Pabst?"
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST
...movies after the success of LOTR. After the success of LOTR and then 300 I was hoping for some truly disturbing and badass fantasy of both the big budget and B movie variety......but there's more stuff still in the works a suppose...
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST
down near Ensenada, Mexico? That coastal shot sure reminds of Baja.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
he looks pretty funny, because he's fat and i'm not hahahahaha
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
is obviously top notch! you need that level of security when your making a movie like this. everyone is dying to get on set and find out details of the production! (sarcasm)
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
fuck you character limit!
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
...if it was about that bored security guard sitting by himself on the park bench, guarding a big silly ship with a dragon's head.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST
more of a Baynes style. If they fuck this one up, it will be the end of it, as TVOTDT is is the favorite entry in the series.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST
I'm no more impressed than with the first shots.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST
is the most fun you'll have all year.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST
The studio has shown that it's capable of being involved and still allowing the filmakers to do what it wants...ohhh sarcasm detector overloading!!
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST
Prince Caspian was very good.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST
..So they should have zero say in this movie.
Aug. 28, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST
It is without question the best American film this year, possibly this decade. What's the problem chaps.?
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST
nearly puked my cotton candy.
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST
that will be seen for less than 40 seconds spread out through the whole movie. The actual thing could look better on screen.
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
Hell I didn't even know. Cool.
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST
by Gus Van Rant
Yeah, this pretty much sucks...Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever liked anything to do with movies at all...what a sad existance. Oh well, FUCK ALL THE HATERS!!!
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST
by Mel Garga
just fucked my eyeballs.
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST
The fundamental problem with the adaptation of the Narnia series is that it keeps coming down to "we must figure out what this moody omnipotent lion wants us to do so he will step in and do the good he could have done on page 1 if he really cared". It's a flaw in the original stories (perhaps even in religion in general) that the filmmakers didn't manage to figure out how to wrap into the rational, meaningful personal-growth story that it is meant to be.<BR><BR> I found most of Prince Caspian was a really interesting bittersweet story with themes of politics and history that were much richer than the average generic "good vs evil" children's fantasy. My friends are only slowly discovering it because the reviews hit a brick wall pulling their hair out over the Aslan stuff.
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST
too much soda before taking this ride
Aug. 28, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST
by Mel Garga
...harmless family entertainment I can watch with my kid. I've seen each installment a few times now and am somewhat surprised at the production values. Perhaps this is a case of lowered expectations but the kids' performacnes aren't as obnoxious as they could have been (read Lucas) and the effects are a damned site more realistic than a lot of what's out there (read Lucas, Indy IV).
Aug. 28, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST
and the third was my favourite book. Scrwe the naysayers that don't like the fact it wasn't edgy and emo enough. It's family entertainment. You hard-arses have LOTOR, so fuck you!<p> Plus, Caspian was pretty dark in places.
Aug. 28, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST
Two sucked. I guess they are only going to release this in Europe then.
Aug. 28, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST
Narnia 1 and 2 I can live without seeing ever again.
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST
AND SURELY....I will (to quote FRIDAY'S Chris Tucker)"Never...evah evah evah evah evah (END QUOTE) watch this garbage
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST
The fact that goddamn gerbils wer sitting down talknig and eating dinner.I got up, walked out and never looked back.GARBAGE-ASS,SUNDAY-SCHOOL G-RATED lord of the rings BULLSHIT!
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
Everyone knows that is disney were still doing this, 1) we wouldn't even get spy shots this good (look at the wal-mart greeter they got to seal the set) 2) the ship would be a 50 terabyte CG model instead of a carnival ride looking mockup like this. What is the budget on this, sub 100m?
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST
Looks like the weathered the ship just like I thought they would.
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST
For all those complaining about the subtext of the first two movies....why the fuck would you go see Narnia movies in the first place!?!?!? <br> <br> C.S. Lewis was first and foremost a Christian writer and the Narnia saga was a Christian allegory. To complain about Christian subtext is just inane. It's like watching the Passion of the Christ and complaining there's too much in regarding Jesus. <br> <br> C.S. Lewis never tried to fool anyone into reading his books and the Narnia saga didn;t get greenlit because of LOTR. It was HIGHLY PUBLICIZED at the time of Narnia's announcement that it was the overwhelming success of the Passion that drove Disney to adapt these books.
Aug. 28, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST
Watching the franchise grow along with the kids is what has made the Harry Potter films TRULY magical. I'm glad the Narnia series is being kept alive to recover from the bad timing of the last movie's release.
Aug. 28, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST
And once again, it looks perfect. The dawn Treader is a fantasy version of a Viking ship. This looks freaking awesome!
Aug. 28, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST
I'm surprised they're even going forward with this, "franchise viability" or not.
Aug. 28, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST
Except that only Lucy and Edmund are in Dawn Treader. After Dawn Treader, the original 4 kids are rarely a part of the series, merely making cameos here and there.
Aug. 28, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST
Just because it's meant for a Christian audience and inspired by Christianity doesn't mean it's exempt from criticism. Why would people see it? Because it wasn't marketed as a "christian film". Very few people actually know it's a Christian allegory. It was big budget and I think people expected a good movie instead of propaganda for some BS religion.
Aug. 28, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST
Fuck me hadda but I think I just saw the Rene Belloq toy advertisement yawn! Eeeeeek!
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST
:'( Maybe they can have a flashback or something?
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST
I think I might take a wonder onto the set and look around, i doubt he'd stop you.
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST
CG just gets better and better. In your face Cameron!
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST
Dead on critique of the movies, the books and religion itself. As for these movies, I actually think Caspian was better, particularly for the political intrigue, although it was short-lived, and Dinklage's great performance. Too bad he was underused.
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST
Um ... considering this is entitled "The Voyage Of The 'Dawn Treader'" and the WHOLE FUCKING STORY is set aboard the ship (cleverly called the "Dawn Treader"), it's highly likely that this will be where a good seventy percent of the live action will be shot. They did pretty much the same business with TITANIC and that huge mockup of the boat they had to build in Mexico. Come to think of it, whatever happened to THAT set?!?</p><p> Sadly, this will befall the same fate as the BBC version: they'll maybe, possibly make it to "The Silver Chair" (the next book in the series) and then, give up before they reach the really awesome books ("The Magician's Nephew", which is really the first book in the series, the one that explains everything and "The Last Battle", where everybody from the previous books returns and really engages in all the overblown battle scenes that somehow wound up in the first two NARNIA flicks). Unfortunately, if they make it to "A Horse And His Boy", that will kill the movie series off before they get to the good ones, especially since it peripherally takes place in the same time period as "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" and is bound to confuse audiences even worse than where the fuck Father Christmas came from in the first movie.
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST
Hats off to the filmakers for knowing where to put the money.
Aug. 28, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST
by Dark Knight Lite
so yes, there ARE people excited for this. I for one, go just to see fighting Minotaurs. Makes me all kinds of Harryhausen happy.
Aug. 28, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST
that they're actually making a full-sized model of the ship. Let's hurry things up before the Pervensie Kids hit 60!
Aug. 28, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST
I loved Dawn Treader and The Silver Chair so much as a kid. If it wasn't for those two books, or the rest of the Narnia series, I probably wouldn't be posting on here right now. They cemented my geek nature forever, for good or ill. I pray they do Silver Chair, I just hope they don't kiddify Dawn Treader too much in order to get box office. Yes it NEEDS to make money but I wouldn't want it to be a step back from Prince Caspian which I thought was really solid, darker and full of much more character than the book (which is the worst in the series. Dawn Treader and Silver Chair are the best)
Aug. 28, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST
Caspian fell on it's face mostly b/c of a stupid release date. Keep this franchise in December where it belongs...
Aug. 28, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST
so scared to believe there's more out there than what you can see with your eyes or touch with your hands. Why don't you just join scientology while you're at it.
Aug. 28, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST
If it doesn't spin me right round, baby I don' wannit.
Aug. 28, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST
Caspian did not fail because it was released in Summer. Harry Potter has been released in Summer for two movies now, and both have done better than the franchise was doing in Winter. Fantasy movies do not have to be released at Christmas to be successful, they just have to not suck. <p> Every time, every single goddamn time, this comes up someone chimes in that it failed due to being released during the summer, but repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. If true, it would have found an audience on DVD, it hasn't. It was a mediocre movie, and its target audience bailed as soon as their churches stopped getting free screeners.
Aug. 28, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST
Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing I've read today. Blind faith in imaginary constructions of the weak needy human consciousness has nothing to do with bravery. <p> Look at it this way, atheists are brave enough to live without deluding themselves into believing in a magical afterlife. Realizing this is all there is and still getting out of the bed in the morning? Now that's bravery.
Aug. 28, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST
I had never even heard of Narnia until the movie came out, and I'm a fairly educated guy. Am I the only person who never got exposed to these books as a kid?
Aug. 28, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST
Oh, that's right. Comingsoon.com always has shit before this place.
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST
you are forgetting the fact it was released around the same time as Iron man and the new Indiana Jones film. THAT would affect it's sales and you know it. In fact, that's the ONLY reason I've heard for its failure. 'Being released in the summer', I've heard from you and you alone.
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST
before becoming certified, but they don't make a surgeon get cut on. Does that seem right to you? Avast ye maties! More Narnia and fantasy and pirates and reality shows and crime capers with twist endings and scary movies with MORE twist endings for the next ten years! Yippeeeeeeee! You know...we're all just floating.
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST
Narnia is going down, Brotheeerrrrr
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST
Clearly you haven't hung around this site's Narnia talkbacks very much. The 'it's a Christmas movie!' meme has been voiced many, many times. But again, even in competition with Iron Man and Indy, it would have gotten legs off its DVD release. It didn't. Why? Because it simply wasn't very good.
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/39570 <p> I'm in there several times as well, so you can see if nothing else, my arguments are consistent.
Aug. 28, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST
Aug. 28, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST
The kids are so damn boring, expressionless. Damn.
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST
by LT Weezie
I have read the entire CHRONICLES OF NARNIA several times and enjoy it as a fun read. It really is disgusting how people try to make a religious statement out of everything. Why can't it just an entertaining series. I am not a Christian, and it never fails to amaze me how some groups try to apply their dogma on the rest of us. Narnia is awesome...just like Middle Earth. It is a brilliant creation and is there to be ENJOYED, not to be used for proselytizing!!
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST
... they'll deHispanify Caspian back to being a blonde kid with curly hair like in the books. I honestly believe Ben Barnes is the primary and principle reason PRINCE CASPIAN failed. Between trying to "la raza" him and his people to draw in box-office from the Hispanic Christian community (the Jesus metaphor of Caspian wasn't as strong in the FUCKING BOOK as it was in the movie) killed the flick.
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST
nah you're wrong... if it was released at christmas it probably would have had a good opening weekend that would have saved it. by opening in summer with extremely stiff competition was a poor decision... BUT if it had been a good movie it would have done well regardless, but seeing as it was pretty crap, it really needed to be released at christmas to have a chance. and comparing it to the success of harry potter movies is totally ridiculous, the hp movies would be phenomenly successful no matter what, simply due to the fact that almost every child and a hell of a lot of adults in the civilized world read the books... narnia doesn't have the same relevance. anyway my point is that you're saying it wouldn't have been a success no matter when it was released because it wasn't very good, which is rubbish. the poor dvd sales just reflect that it wasn't a well liked movie. those dvd sales dont have much to do with the possible strength of its opening weekend. look at the first movie, it wasn't much better than the sequel, but it did damn well because of its strong opening weekend against little competition
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST
ahhh let me guess... you're american?
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST
this is what i mean: "it failed due to being released during the summer, but repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. If true, it would have found an audience on DVD, it hasn't." ur assuming that the people who say that the movie failed because it was released in summer, think that its a good movie. that's not the argument. its not a very good movie, but that's not why it failed. unfortuneately a movie's box office, particularly children's movies, doesn't necessarily depend on the strength of the movie
Aug. 29, 2009, midnight CST
Nothing like faux-intelligent America-bashing! It never gets old on these boards.
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST
Wow, that kicks ass. I feel a bit more interested in seeing this flick now. I just hope the filmmakers will understand that A: Narnia can stand on its own as an entity. It doesn't have to look like LOTR or that crappy Dark Crystal crud, in fact it shouldn't look remotely like them because in the books, Narnia was a bright, colorful world (when it wasn't under dire enchantment, that is). AND B: it's okay to actually STICK TO THE GODDAMN BOOKS and not throw out ideas and dialogue that have stood the test of time (for christ's sake, all the books are still in print after fifty years) and throw in a bunch of lameass contemporary humor and darkness and violence, which is what ruined Prince Caspian The Movie. So much of the book was left out of that film, even worse than what's happened with the newest Harry Potter movie. The gallant, swashbuckling mouse Reepicheep, who in the book spoke in Arthurian dialect and stood up even to actual giants, was reduced to a goddamn short joke in the movie. And the whole bacchanalia with Aslan, Bacchus, Silenus and other demigods was completely left out. It was the best part in the book. Aslan in the books was more than just a Jesus clone; he was magical, adventurous, playful and a real - ahem - party animal at times; he feasts the remnants of unconquered Narnia with food and wine prior to going to battle. And speaking of Jesus clones, Aslan was more of a god-like lion rather than Jesus in a fursuit. He was a separate entity, and could be enjoyed as such. Anyway, suffice it to say that the Narnia movies have fallen short so far; I liked the first one far better than the second, although both were disappointments. We'll see how the third one goes. Hopefully it'll be a success and my fave of the books, "The Silver Chair", will get a shot at the big screen. Puddleglum the Marshwiggle, the "Chair's" foremost character, is an excellent character, the equal to anything in Tolkien. I'd love to see him onscreen. Narnia and the North!
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST
faux-intelligent america bashing? ummm ok
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST
Holiday 2008 was such a dud movie wise ("Marley & Me"???) had they waited 6 months to release CASPIAN it would have hit 250-300 mil easy. I'm not one who believes popular movies = good movies but the above statement is true. Personally I liked Caspian better than LWW.
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST
The first one didn't make me want to see the second one. These movies are weak.
Aug. 29, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST
Cuz God said so.
Aug. 29, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST
These pictures were taken just a few minutes away from my house, at Cleveland Point in Queensland, Australia. I saw them filming scenes a few weeks ago. Funny that The Chronicles of Narnia can afford to shoot in Australia but GREEN LANTERN can't.
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST
ever pick up a drunk schoolgirl at schoolies?
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST
I wonder which rich Japanese guy is going to buy that for his child. That is so bad ass. Watch Kim Jong Il buy it for his kid or something.
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST
The facts will set you free.
Aug. 29, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
Nobody.<p>AVATAR. Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.
Aug. 29, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST
So far talking beavers are the only good thing about this series. Who saw that coming?
Aug. 29, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST
Not to be a douche... but this is becoming a trend.
Aug. 29, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST
Here goes . . . the topic: cheeseburgers. Let's see how fast someone can turn this into an atheist vs faith cage match. I know Lewis was a Christian author, but it amazes me how the vitriol and anger is constantly bubbling under the surface, waiting for any opportunity to be unleashed. For a lot of talkbackers, connecting ANY topic to atheism vs religion is like a Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon game, in which it somehow only takes one degree no matter the context.
Aug. 29, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST
I guess there's no point in quibbling.
Aug. 29, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST
in January 2010? Please?
Aug. 29, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST
from the french magazine.....
Aug. 29, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST
Has there been any recent sightings of this fella?
Aug. 29, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST
Atheists do. <P> Therein lies the rub.
Aug. 29, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST
The first one is one of the greatest films ever, and Prince Caspian topped it for me, literally causing tears to stream down my face the entire two hour running-length. This new film cannot come soon enough!
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST
...one, two, tree! Kennedys...HA, HA HA!
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST
...he's going to get some time polishing the chalice after this...
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST
...style? Some sort of monk? Interesting...
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
we'll wait and see.
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST
Better than "Lord of the Rings" any day of the week. Let's hope they release in at Christmas time, when the competition is slightly less intense. Releasing Caspian one week before Indy was a damn foolish move.
Aug. 29, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST
with XXX as rating,not the childish R
Aug. 29, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST
...A HORSE AND HIS BOY...lots of Muslim bashing...he would kick ass at it.
Aug. 29, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST
Sorry, but I went through the entire Narnia audio book collection on a trip from the west coast to the east coast and I couldn't wait for it to be over and done with. CoN:TLTWATW was the best of the series aside from the occasional cool fantasy element. The rest of the story is boring as hell. IMHO, The Golden Compass is a far more compelling fantasy realm. Dear Hollywood, please make more of those.
Aug. 29, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
All Religions in this world are evil.. they never do any good for anyone except tear people apart and divide them... instead of bringing them together, since everyone thinks their God is better than the other persons God. We need to abolish religion and just have people believe in yourself, not not invisible diety or false prophet. I see too many ignorant people taking the "bible" out of context or even the Kuran. People have been killing people over who thinks who is better, whether its the Catholics against the Protestants or the Muslims and the Jews. What kills me is people are so fake when it comes to saying their are Christians.. they dont follow what they preach or get on their soap boxes and say everyone else is wrong for doing.. its do as I say not as I do. They are all hypocrites and they hide behind this veil of religion so they can commit crimes or acts of debauchery... like Catholic priests fucking little boys.. but the Catholic church ignores it and sweeps it under the rug and the people who go to those churches dont care as long as its not in "their" church, its someone elses problem after that. So for all the right wing conservative bible bashing gay for jesus nut jobs out there... get a clue.. think for yourself and stop being brainwashed into believing fairy tales.
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST
Actually Religion and its different organizations while it has had its problems, its also been behind countless service. There are millions of religious organizations that service the homeless, help people find work and in general help people to be kinder. Now I know that religion in general can improve on the things that PlasmaOrb mentioned and that there are many great non religious organizations that also help others, but I believe that religion is a good thing.
Aug. 29, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST
The biggest problem with Caspain, imo, was the adaptation. They cut out quite a bit and added in that big castle seige that wasn't there. I'm not completely against that addition, but the stuff they cut at the beginning rushed the film and left out some interesting character moments for Caspian and... Cornelius (think that was the teacher's name). <p> While I have no problem with them cutting out the stuff with people being turned into pigs and such at the end, cutting out some of the other fantasy/mythology elements was a disappointment as well. It would also make Father Christmas in the first seem a little more relevant if more fantastical characters showed up in other places.
Aug. 29, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST
by LT Weezie
You got it, baby!! Please forgive the analogy, but "AMEN" to that! Just listen to the song IMAGINE...were that it could become reality!
Aug. 29, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST
A little more hyperbole, please.
Aug. 29, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST
Aug. 29, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST
Sure numerous people have done some crap in the name of religion, but unless you're ten years old, or as I suspect, completely isolated from the outside world, then how can any of you have the temerity to post here and say "all religious people suck!" or whatever? It's just completely simple-minded and exposes a bigotry that really needs to be addressed. At any rate, zargatron and co., I'm with paburrows, and I've seen first hand how the Missionaries of Charity, (Mother Teresa's order) take care of AIDS patients. You know, like caring for dying men with huge oozing sores and whatnot? Not exactly as fun or as meaningful as flaming about comic book movies all day, but someone has to do it. As for Narnia movies, I loved the books as a lad and often dreamed of making them into movies. And IMHO I think that the Andrew Adamson's first misstep was the music. If ever James Horner was needed for a score it was for Narnia. Then of course, there's the problem of the books being written for the World War II generation of Brits. You know, men and boys who had a job to do and just you know, did it with a "Jolly-ho! To work, gents!". So here we are like complete panzies 50 years later analyzing notions of leadership and conflict because we have the the luxury, and 'lo, the writers turned Peter into an insufferable weenie. And the movies are so convoluted and boring that it's hard to make sense out of any of it. I really disliked both movies because it all seemed like nonsense (especially adding a subplot where Peter competes with Caspian, what a waste of time!) when the books were pretty straight forward. And to those who say they don't want to have religion in their movies, well, then yeah, DON'T go to Narnia and stick with Golden Compass. That's hilarious that some people don't want to have subtext or any deeper meaning than Tranformer shoots other Transformer. But there it is.
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST
Gots to have me my boats n' hos...
Aug. 29, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST
I was briefly on a Dawkins anti-religion trip myself, but it's bullshit...people will ALWAYS find a reason to kill others, even in a fully atheistic society. The Soviet Union and the PRC were functioning religion-free societies...they still purged ideological "heretics".<p> What society needs to teach the young to avoid is extremism i.e. utopian "ends justifies the means" thinking. Every murderous movement in human history has had this trait, religious or otherwise.
Aug. 29, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST
Let's all be honest. These movies are great! Good production qualities. You guys are jaded. Sit back and enjoy them for what they are. Good flicks
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST
Aug. 30, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST
Is that I like the Narnia movies, but would never admit to for fear that I would share common ground with some crazed religious zealot... I worked with a guy that gave me a play-by-play on how similar the books are to biblical tales; a shame I could literally give a fuck about that and can appreciate a good dragon/elf/forest nymph flick. I don't really see how the lion was suppose to be Jesus though, the Lion came back with avengeance on some mother-fuckers...
Aug. 30, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST
and then their are those that figure the aids virus is designed by God to rid the world of "fagots", and other ill kinds of sodomites. It would be extremely unfair of me to accuse all Christians of being racist, homophobic, bigots, but you have to admit Christianity, as of late, has had a lot of bad apples in its barrel; and it's a shame, despite what I believe it's obvious there are a lot of Christians that try to be more Christ like and less judgmental towards others, but influx of lunatics as of late is just fare too much to bare.
Aug. 30, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST
Can we make an Elric series now?
Aug. 30, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST
then how about a Xanth series?
Aug. 30, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST
by The Amazing G
made me lol
Aug. 30, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST
So the guy you worked with was a "crazed religious bigot" because he pointed out something that anyone who knew anything about CS Lewis' background and writing would say was painfully obvious? I guess someone who points out the fact that Lincoln was a Republican is a "right wing reactionary pig." Seriously, with some of you guys it's like trying to reason with those irritating those kids on Star Trek who chant "Lovey-dovey, bonk-bonk on the head!"
Aug. 30, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST
Behold a drakkar made for a movie to make your children and young kids sell their ass to christ.
Aug. 30, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
I wanted to garrote the drum section of the orquestra. Never before i had the displeasure of watching a movie where the fucking drums were in EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF MUSIC made for the fucking movie. small wonder the cown ass who made the music for that movie had also worked for Michael Bay before. Fucking ass!
Aug. 30, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST
Dude, I agree with you wholeheartedly on your view of the latest Star Trek and on your above post about the score to Narnia. But just lay off the religious aspects, okay? It's like nit-picking on a Rocky movie because it has all that boxing. CS Lewis was a Christian writer. If that doesn't sit well with you, stay home.
Aug. 30, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST
...one shouldn't discuss the subtext or philisophical aspects or lack thereof in a film. I for one, thought the subtext to the Narnia films was so white-washed and insecurely dealt with that the films had no impact. The whole point of the book Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe is found in the chapter where Peter and Susan go to talk to Professor Kirk about Lucy and he shocks them by saying, "How do you know she isn't telling the truth?" Well, in the movie, Professor Kirke is depicted as a jittery old goofball that one can't possibly take seriously and the filmmakers completely gloss over that important scene in the book where he mutters, "Logic! What are they teaching kids in school these days?" So by ignoring the significance of the scene the movie lost me right there. I knew I was in for a bad time. Because without the building faith aspect of the story, Narnia is just about Lions and giants killing wolves and witches. Just like I knew in Spiderman that I was in for a dud when Peter spitefully refuses to stop the criminal rather than doing it out of hubris. Part of being a good film maker is getting to the emotional core of the story. Also, I think too much time is spent on these talkbacks simply vomiting out hate and bile rather than honestly discussing the merits or demerits of a film.
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST
I watched on the HD On Demand, but not even that could save it. I was so turned off by the horrible kid acting, and the fakeness of the animals. And the unneeded battle scene at the end. Ugh.
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST
Still you have to admit that the first Narnia movie was The Passion Of Christ for kids.
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST
What's so bloody special about it?
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST
I understand where you are coming from and honestly it's refreshing to see someone that hates the bad apples without hating the whole tree.<p>As for Aslan/Jesus coming back with a vengeance - Revelation is hardly mild. Also, it's a common misconception that Jesus was all peace and love, but take the cleansing of the temple and the fact that there were more warnings and descriptions of Hell than decriptions of Heaven, He truly was a reflection of God the Father in the old testament. Not trying to preach mind you, just trying to illustrate that a vengeful Aslan fits. :o)
Aug. 30, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST
Maybe the next movie is a convert to norse religion kiddie movie. At least the norse gods did kicked ass, instead of the Jesus fella who could only get his ass kicked, according to the Mel Gibson movie of course.
Aug. 30, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST
I really enjoyed the soundtrack.
Aug. 30, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST
...otherwise, I don't give a shit.
Aug. 30, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST
is doing rather well on the blu-ray circuit. Apparently it's one of the best transfers you can get.
Aug. 30, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST
by Son of a Butch
One of the top sellers of 2008 or something? And yes, the Blu-Ray looks fantastic.
Aug. 30, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST
by Sith Witch
I believe that with every fibre of my being.
Aug. 30, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST
I believe you are wrong. And I use fibre in my being for being regular on the toilet.
Aug. 30, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST
Elric was optioned by Universal, to be produced by the Weitz's. But it may be a long while, as they tanked at fantasy with the Golden Compass (should've done Elric first; enough of this kiddy fantasy fare).<p>The actor that they originally proposed for Elric was Jude Law. Later Mike Moorcock wanted Paul Bettany to play Elric, after seeing Bettany in A Knight's Tale, but, ironically, Bettany went on to portray a different character with albinism.
Aug. 30, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST
was 'kiddy fantasy'. Have you read the books? The film was shit though and a complete fuck up of the first book.<p> Thing is, it was doomed from the start as the story is very anti-religon, and not very subtley. I can't think of a studio with the right budget that would have touched it in its true form.
Aug. 30, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST
And throw a copy under Pass.
Aug. 30, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST
<br>Jesus is about peace and love, but that message itself doesn't necessarily get greeted by peace and love, nor always get interpreted appropriately by its followers. Sometimes folks look for an excuse to be the same old sinners they were before, only with God's permission this time.</br> <br>The trick with Revelations is that at some point, you die, and your choice has been made. You either accept God, or reject him, and the rejection of God is what Hell and damnation are about.</br> <br>But it's not so clear cut as that, because rarely does anybody lead such a virtuous life that we can automatically say we didn't do anything to separate ourselves from God.</br> <br>So we are put in a position where some separation is inevitable. Two things are key here: God offers grace. He tells us, "I know you guys screw things up, that you're only human. Admit that, and my love and my sacrifice will bridget the gap. But you got to trust me, repent of the bad things you're doing, and do good.</br> <br>People like to emphasize the fire and brimstone, but most of what the Bible's about, aside from the history of Israel, is how people treat one one another, deal with one another.</br> <br>I take to heart Jesus's radical words about loving your enemy, loving your neighbor as you do yourself. I believe adversarial Christianity is a self defeating form of evangelism from the get-go.</br>
Aug. 30, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST
Go figure. Arguing over scripture is a moot point. It's all contradictory, archaic nonsense that should have as much sway over someone's life as Beowulf or The Illiad. Ie. None
Aug. 31, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST
The point I've been trying to make is of course Lion Witch and Wardrobe is The Passion for little kids. That was precisely the point of the book. Did the movie succeed? I didn't think so. Just as I felt Mel's Passion was basically Lethal Weapon Jesus and while I can appreciate some of what Mr. Gibson did aesthetically overall it was a rather simple-minded interpretation. (As in the unrepentant thief on the cross gets his eyes plucked out by a crow, and the Romans cackle like fiends with every whip lash-- I think the most disturbing form of evil is the one that treats murder like "ho-hum, just doing my job." I'll never forget watching in High School file footage of Nazis blithely bulldozing piles of Jewish bodies like they were rubble. That's to me how evil people operate, not maniacally laughing like Skeletor. Anyway, I like the Narnia books a lot and they helped me shape my world view but the films had major scenes that threw me out of the film, the biggest mistake any film can make. If you throw me out of a movie enough times, (cough! cough! Spiderman,) well, I say you failed. Not because you dealt with religious subject matter, but because you dealt with said subject matter badly.
Aug. 31, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
by Wee Willie
I didn't bother in theatres bought it on DVD and it sat on my shelf for months before I finally threw it in the old DVD player. I wound up loving it. Tons of good, old-fashioned fun. As for the religious overtones of the first film, depicting the idea of self-sacrifice is not in an of itself offensive. Christianity at it's root is supposed to be a gentle religion based on doing things for others, not being judgemental, and turning the other cheek. Somehow this gentle loving message has been twisted by Evangelical Christians to mean "judge everyone, hate anyone that's not you, and take joy in the misery and punishment of sinners". I honestly think that when these people die, Jesus appears and says "what were you thinking, bro?"
Aug. 31, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST
Nice touch. Great shout-out to the first book. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far...
Aug. 31, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST
Aug. 31, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST
And far more boring. The series got worse as it went on, unlike the Chronicles of Narnia, which just got more inventive. I have to say though, that I hated the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle". It read like Armegeddon in Oz, and I saw screw that!
Sept. 1, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST
by The Amazing G
I don't see anything like that