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Quint was fool enough to pay to see HALLOWEEN 2's midnight show!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Believe it or not I went into Rob Zombie’s HALLOWEEN 2 with an open mind. I was pretty vocal about my dislike of the first film’s script and, eventually, the finished movie which didn’t change what was wrong at the core of his reimagining. But hearing Zombie talk about this new film, how he decided to shake loose any attachment to the original films and just make his own movie had me curious and then seeing the trailers with Kabuki theater Sheri Moon Zombie had me a little excited that this movie was going to be so crazy random and ridiculous that I might just enjoy it. Let me say right off the bat, HALLOWEEN 2 is just as shitty as the first movie. The same horrible girl dialogue is there, but instead of Scout Taylor-Compton and Danielle Harris calling each other “bitch” over and over it’s now Scout Taylor-Compton and Brea Grant and Angela Trimbur calling each other “dicklickers” and “dude.” I’m no prude. Bring on the foul language as far as I’m concerned. But I have to say it’s comical how many times people say “fuck” in this movie. I wasn’t offended at all, to be perfectly clear. I use the word regularly. What was happening was I was getting bored by the laziness of just using that one word over and over again. There’s literally a scene early on when the ambulance carrying Michael Myers crashes and one of the paramedics is hurt and just repeats fuck over and over and over and over again. Nothing else, just “fuck” in different inflections and emphasis. For at least 30 seconds. I would love a “fuck” count on this movie. Zombie uses it so often that I started to wonder if he somehow trademarked the word and was getting a quarter every time someone said it onscreen. On top of that the same character problems from the first one return and Zombie turned them up to 11. If you thought he mishandled Loomis in the first movie you’re just going to shake your head in disbelief where he takes the good doctor here. Not only is Loomis capitalizing on the murders, but he’s a douchebag boss to his publicist, acting like a pampered rock star instead of a psychiatrist. At this point I’m all for further separating Zombie’s HALLOWEEN’s from Carpenter’s original, so I’m not all that upset that he changed Loomis in this film… that damage was already done in the first movie. What upset me is that there’s not point to it. At all. He sets up an arc for Loomis that is, no bullshit, summed up with one random shot of Loomis sipping wine at home and saying to himself, “I’m an asshole” and just afterwards finding out Myers might still be alive. It is interesting that Zombie makes Laurie and Annie switch personalities in reaction to the events of the first movie, making Annie more conservative and Laurie a party girl, but to be perfectly frank Taylor-Compton couldn’t pull it off and Zombie’s writing didn’t supply her the ammo to give her a fighting chance. The movie’s all about her inner torment, the shit she went through chipping away at her sanity bit by bit every night. She has constant nightmares, which includes the opening at the hospital. Sorry, spoiler… but it’s pretty obvious at a certain point that the movie’s not going to be set at the hospital like the original Carpenter follow-up. Now, Laurie’s nightmares gave Zombie an opportunity to really go cerebral… If he Jasoned Myers in the first movie he could have created a Freddy-type atmosphere here and he does succeed in one particular scene that features pumpkin-faced people sitting around a dinner table. The midnight crowd I saw this movie with, an odd selection of gangbangers and suburbanites, didn’t buy into the nightmare stuff at all. When Laurie wakes up screaming from the hospital dream there was a shout of “What the fuck is this?” It’s been a long time since I’ve seen an audience viciously turn on the movie, but I witnessed it tonight. Surprisingly, I’m not with them on that. I wish the movie had been more Ghost Mom, recast kid Michael Myers and shiny white horse weirdness. Yes, it was stupid. Yes, it got laughs every single time they were onscreen, but it was so out there, so ridiculously retarded that I couldn’t help having fun with it. If the whole movie had been nightmare imagery and batshit insane dialogue scenes with recast kid Myers and Ghost Mom with Horse I would have been with Zombie 100%. Instead it’s about 7 minutes of that stuff spread evenly across the runtime of the movie and the rest of it is that horrible late-teen back and forth. And, of course, random hillbillies. One of the gangbangers behind me shouted out “Honkey Tonks!” when Mountain Man Myers (which is when Myers is just traveling the earth in between the events of the first movie and Halloween the following year… mask off, little sleeping bag on his back, and a full Grizzly Adams beard) is confronted by Skynyrd listening rednecks driving a truck with a dozen deer antlers attached to the grill. The violence is what you’d expect from Zombie: brutal and bloody, but not terribly inventive. There is one really good effect early on that’s a non-fatal slice through a face that takes a moment to really start bleeding. I liked that one. I will give Zombie credit in casting older genre actors that don’t get much screentime. He successfully cast up his last few movies with icons and he does it again here. We get Margot Kidder, Howard Hesseman and the M-O-O-N spells moon guy from Coach (Bill Fagerbakke). We also get a Weird Al Yankovich cameo, but like all the other missed opportunities in this movie we get no Halloween Weird Al song at any point, even though he reuses “Love Hurts” from the first movie for no reason during the end credits. C’mon! That’d be a perfect place for a Weird Al Halloween/Michael Myers song! With all that said, the main problem lies in Zombie’s execution of his already shoddy script that had enough solid ideas to make a decent movie, but they weren’t taken advantage of. Zombie made some really odd choices in the editing room, picking really awkward and random takes. Maybe he didn’t get enough coverage, maybe some of his actors didn’t work out and this was the best he could get or maybe he just didn’t realize how crappy some of these moments come off. Especially with Margot Kidder who seems nervous at first and delivers a pretty decent performance later in her one-scene cameo… but man, it’s rocky at the start, her hand randomly moving across her face when she’s talking… There are a lot of moments like that. I don’t consider this sequel worse than the original, but I can’t say it’s much better. It’s a little more fun because of the random insanity peppered throughout, but that’s essentially me just saying the shittiness in this movie was more fun than the shittiness in the original. I didn’t have the vocal displeasure that the rest of the audience had as the credits rolled, a myriad of “I want my money back,” “that was retarded,” “Boo,” and others. Like I said earlier, it’s been a very long time since I’ve seen an audience turn on a movie like that. Will that affect the financial success of the movie? I have no idea, I’m not a box office analyst. I’m just making an observation about my particular ticket-buying midnight audience. Enough with the remakes, though. Seriously, Zombie needs a remake intervention. I’m not interested in Zombie doing his thing to random horror movies (he’s now lined up to remake THE BLOB. It’s unclear if he’s remaking the good ‘50s schlocker or the good ‘80s schlocker… or both). I’d much rather watch him explore his own material instead of shaping pre-existing mythologies to fit his mold. That might not be realistic these days in the movie industry and I realize the dude has to pay the bills, but just speaking as a horror fan I’m getting very, very tired of it and judging by my audience tonight I’m not the only one. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    1st

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:02 a.m. CST

    next up for Zombie. THE BLOB

    by Snikkar124

    He is gonna fuck up all the classics,with his wife in every movie!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    third.

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    number 4

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I got FIVE on it

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    next up for GI JOE. BIG LOB?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I'm still excited to see H2. Usually with horror movies there is the possibility of liking it despite negative reviews. Not giving it a free pass...I just wanna watch the movie for myself.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Six

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    seven

    by Snikkar124

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    What's the point of remaking a sequel?...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    besides $$$$? Rob Zombie = No talent, wannabe horror director.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Still want to see it today

    by stewarco

    I rewatched his first Halloween last night and I still like it and think it is effective. So did my friend who was watching it for the first time. We're planning on seeing the new one today. Will let you know what we think.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Snikkar124....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    I'm all for the pollution on these threads. But, please, the whole number game seven times over pushes boundaries.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Zombie's got potential. (S.S. Werewolves perhaps?)

    by tksnakej

    I loved both of the Blobs and really don't think a remake is a good usage of Zombie's particular voice. Although I didn't care for his 1000 corpses film I knew that there was a lot of inventive weirdness in it and some scenes that really floored me. But ultimately it was a film about villains killing innocents and that wasn't my cup of tea. I just think his strength is in his original concepts. I like to see him get away from the old hat hillbillies and rapes and vile language.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    The first one was shittingly bad,

    by GivenToFly

    so why would this sequel/remake/reimagining be any better?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Imagine if he....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    tried to remake the third Halloween film. Y'know, the not-so-Halloween-Halloween-film?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Most NEW horror films are generic crap

    by barnaby jones

    So i think i'll pass on this remake, sequel to an already shitty remake 1st film. That is all.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    McDowell as Loomis was cringe worthy....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    and in the new trailer "Michael Myers IS DEAD! D-E-A-D dead!" Wow... I squirmed like an epileptic eel. Corny trash indeed.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    The trailer looked incredibly boring

    by Chopper Sullivan

    People overrated DEVIL'S REJECTS big time. I thought it was okay, better than his first film, but still nothing special. The HALLOWEEN remake was just tedious. People freak out over Eli Roth but CABIN FEVER is better than anything Zombie has done.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Howabout this? Ban Zombie from creating ANYTHING

    by DOGSOUP

    Movies, music, play doh sculptures...you're done dude.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Why Zombie fucked up....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Because we didn't care about the characters and the town in general. What made the original films so great was Michael's mysteriousness, and the charm of the townspeople. Two elements of the story he immediately threw away. With that, he buried any (granted, little or none at all) future potential the series had. For that, he can suck my left nut. And lick the right.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Its made by a guy who calls himself Rob Zombie

    by Semen Stains

    You were expecting greatness really? hasnt anyone seen his other films or heard any of his *cough* music?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Not Surprised

    by buffywrestling

    He never should have done it. Fanboys should not fuck around with the original material. Embrace it, be influenced by it but don't presume to carry on with it. Devil's Rejects looked amazingly original. It felt original on a viseral level, pulling for the pyschopaths as the protaganists. I thought he was gonna do amazing things after that movie but it seems he got caught up in his own hubris.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Snikkar124 is a RETARD

    by NightAvatar

    And thanks for the review Quint. This sounds so bad I'll skip it in spite of Margot.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    I don't think Zombie even has potential anymore?

    by Marxeffect

    I have left all his movies completely disappointed. House of 1000 Corpses was a mix of about 3 good ideas that were gelled together with random Heavy Metal music video cuts and just ended up as a steaming pile of hot shit. The Devil's Rejects was a hell of a lot better but lets be honest... still not very good. The first Halloween, I know I have seen it but for the life of me cannot remember anything about, and now he wants to remake the fucking blob, jesus christ man, give us a break! I can see it now, in Rob's attempt to be edgy and cool, The Blob will be all black and dirty with random body parts poking out. Probably something close to that thing in the lake from Creepshow... God I miss Creepshow

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Devil's Rejects was good...

    by Chakraborty

    ...because it was set in the country with rednecks going berserk with the Allman Brothers playing in the background. That's what Zombie does best, but in the rest of his films since then Zombie tries to infuse his redneck sensibilities into non-redneck stories. It's like the country folk moving to the city with the intention of giving all the city folk herpes.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    "Amaaaaziiiing grace, Come sit on my face"....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Good review, Quint

    by MattmanReturns

    Confirms what I suspected. I absolutely despised Zombie's first Halloween. I'll save this one for Cinemax, since my morbid curiosity will get the better of me sooner or later.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    "gangbangers and suburbanites"......

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    they should blast those moronic motherfuckers towards the sun. My viewing 'District 9' was distracted cause some thugged out white boy douche decided to shout "This is bullshit, a waste of five dollars." Thanks for your imput, ignorant asshole.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Im a retard? sure why not.. . .

    by Snikkar124

    and the rest of you are intelectual brain childs. Let`s have some more of your inndepth comments on things you know nothing about. . . .writing ,directing,music ect. Christ allmigthy some people take these talkbacks way to seriously. Why waste time commenting on "retards" posts then? Make you feel bigger or something?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Payment does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    You had to pay to see this one Quint?<p> Didn't get your press tickets and goodie bag?<p> Now you know how we all feel, wasting our hard-earned on some of the shit you guys recommend.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:08 a.m. CST

    We are bigger....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    atleast that's what your sister tells us.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:11 a.m. CST

    If you didn't like the first piece of crap

    by MontyPigeon

    Then why pay to see the next piece of crap?<p>Zombie is an attrocious film maker. One of the worst out there. Giving money to him, encourages him to make more films. Please stop funding him.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Those 'must see' movies that all AICN writers fell into line on and raved about.<p> VAN HELSING, HOSTEL 2, DEATH PROOF, CRYSTAL SKULL, the list sadly goes on.<p> So while i'm sorry that you had to pay to watch a turkey, it does beg the question from the rest of us lowly talkbackers 'Can we get our money back please?'

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Movie Bigwigs Click Here...

    by billyhitchcock

    ...Quick note. I will not be giving you my money in any shape or form on this movie. Not a penny. This remake hell is killing the film industry and you are responsible. I'm down to literally watching about 10 new releases a year because of the crap hollywood is churning out. on this one i will be inserting my original halloween 2 dvd instead. god, all we had to worry about in the 80's and 90's was how bad the sequel was going to be and now it's remakes of sequels. absolutely farcical. here's a tip, i loved corpses and rejects, give zombie the cash for an original film and you can have my money again. scum.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Come on, Bigwigs....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    ...How can you turn your head the other way after that?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    keep it coming.

    by Snikkar124

    this is oh so interesting.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    I got nothing.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    You fail to realize...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Entertainment hotshots don't give a fuck about the quality of the film. It's the little green dead guys in your pockets they care about. If they were guaranteed box office gold with 'Fart: The Movie' then 'Fart: The Sequel' would have a line of studios down the block.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Snikkar124....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    You're bitter because someone called you a 'retard'? I better not call you a 'poophead.' You might get all Travis Bickle on here.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Now The Blob!?!?!?

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Well fuck-a-diddle. I actually enjoy some of his music and loved White Zombie. Shoulda quit while he was ahead. He's got a cool house though. Can't fault him on his decorating skills. I am a self-professed nut about Horror flicks. I am the "target audience" and I am saying: Put the camera down! Now back away... slowly... slowly... hands where I can see 'em.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:33 a.m. CST

    now Im bitter...ok sure ,keep it coming lol

    by Snikkar124

    amazing how some people can`t let go.whats next I wonder.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST

    "Keep it coming, this is OH SO interesting..."

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    If those aren't the words of a bitter poophead, then I don't know what is.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST

    But I'm washing my hands on it....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    So relax, Wonderboy. You can have any last word.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    "bitter poophead":)

    by Snikkar124

    If this isn`t a sexually frustrated DMS then I don`t know what is. wonder what will come next. Can`t wait....

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    WE GET IT ...YOU HATE ROB ZOMBIE..

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    Every fucking movie of his..you say "I was critical of him and the script and everyone knows there is no love loss"....STOP SEEING HIS SHITTY MOVIES AND THEN WRITING ABOUT HOW "everyone knows...."...You sound like a godamn retard every 5 months you write that useless fucking headline.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:44 a.m. CST

    The only Zombie film I like it House of 1000 corpses.

    by disfigurehead

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST

    "I’d much rather watch him explore...

    by ballyhoo

    ... his own material instead of shaping pre-existing mythologies to fit his mold." In God's name, why? He sucks no matter what. He's been given way too many chances to create something decent, and failed every damn time. Simply hoping that he'll stop ruining existing material is not enough anymore. It's time to start hoping he stops making films entirely. He has ALWAYS sucked at it.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:54 a.m. CST

    He doesn't have his own material.

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    He had to pull a....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Tarantino and "borrow it" from shit he admires. In Zombie's case, he "borrows" shit from 70's horror exploitation. There's nothing original in his music either. He sings about "ghouls and goblins."

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Dear Rob, from one Zombie to another...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Please make more music and less movies. You have a real talent there for some killer rock n roll. It takes more to be a great horror movie director than owning the little coffin bank that had a hand that came out and quickly grabbed the coin when you were a kid. It pains me to see such a great rock n roller as yourself to make such shitty movies and embarrassing yourself. Make more great rock n roll for strippers, fuck your wife and count your money. I still think you'd be able to direct a great serial horror show on t.v. though. I mean, how could you do any worse than TRUE BLOOD?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    and kudos to you, QUINT

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Number one for actually paying to see a movie and not just reviewing the freebies. And number two for having the balls to outright call a turd a turd. Good on ya, mate!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    DOES DANIELLE HARRIS GET NAKED? THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS!

    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    heya Quint, did you see The Wire?

    by Basehead

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    ALL CAPSLOCK? ALL CAPSLOCK!

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    heya Quint, did you see The Wire?

    by Basehead

    1st season, a whole scene of two guys saying fuck about 40 times investigating an old murder scene. Everything is conveyed just with the single word.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Haha, I forgot about that scene...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Favorite scene in the show's history gotsta be when Bunk chumped Omar and muttered "faggot" under his breath. Bunk was the man.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wmgghlEagA

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I FIND IT FUNNY...

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    That someone who calls himself 'Semen Stains' is bashing Rob for calling himself 'Rob Zombie'. Savor the irony.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Great Suprise Indeed. . .

    by Lordgorp

    Another unscary, stupid horror remake - I hate to say I told you so. . . but. . . .

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Oh and on H2 ...

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    Of course it fucking blows. Did no one see the trailer? Rob has only made one good film, and honestly, it's looking more and more like The Devil's Rejects was just a fluke. Not genius...but a fluke. Sorry Rob - it's over, bro.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST

    THIS IS ZOMBIE'S 4TH MOVIE IN ABOUT TEN YEARS......

    by CarlThorMark1978

    Did anyone really think that Halloween 2 was going to be anything but a giant flaming ball of shit that hits the Earth? Zombie had already made 3 movies and shown absolutely NO improvement what-so-ever! This is movie number 4. NUMBER FOUR!!! Think about that for a second because House of 1000 Corpses was actually shot around 2000. That means that Zombie has made four movies in the space of nearly ten years.<br> <br>George A. Romero, in the same amount of time, from 68 to 78 made Night of the Living Dead (masterpiece), Season of the Witch (not good but not as bad as anything Zombie has made), The Crazies (good, not great but it does have Lynn Lowry), Martin (really good) and, of course, Dawn of the Dead in 78 which was another masterpiece.<br> <br>John Carpenter’s first proper movie was Dark Star, that he co-made with Dan O Bannon, and it was released in 74. From 74 to 84, Carpenter made DS, Assault on Precinct 13, Halloween, Someone’s Watching Me, Elvis, The Fog, Escape from New York, The Thing (one of the best Horror films of ALL TIME), Christine and, finally, Starman in 1984<br> <br>David Cronenberg’s Shivers was released in 75, then Rabid, Fast Company, The Brood, Scanners, Videodrome and the Dead Zone, all within a ten year space.<br> <br>That’s not even mentioning that all of these guys got their start by doing experimental short films and commercials until they had enough money or clout just to get their first features made. By the time Zombie made Ho1KC in 2000, he was already a multimillionaire rock star who had been Directing his own music video’s for some time never mind that his first movie was financed by Universal at the cost of SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS until they put it on the shelf for three years at which point Lionsgate got a hold of it and put it out.<br> <br>The point is that this guy has never made a movie without studio backing and never had the balls to put his own money into one of his own flicks and that’s because he has never been anything but a fucking poser while ever movie he’s made as been a complete rip off of one thing or another. Ho1KC and Devil’s Rejects were based directly on The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1 & 2 and now this little bitch has decided to cash in on the remakes craze to keep himself in coke money while being able to afford enough plastic surgery to keep his whore presentable. Fuck Rob Zombie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    "Giant flaming ball of shit that hits the earth..."

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    Michael Bay called -- He wants his screenplay back.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Remaking The Blob?!

    by LaserPants

    Let me guess. A group of shrieking, sociopathic rednecks open a jar of irradiated KY jelly (used for raping n' shit cause thats what shrieking, sociopathic rednecks do) and it turns into a BIG SHRIEKING REDNECK BLOB MONSTER! The duration of the movie consists of Shrieking Rednecks Killin' Shit, Cursing, Fake Ass Industrial Metal, and then, more Shrieking Rednecks. The End.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:40 a.m. CST

    When The Wire did a nonstop "fuck" dialogue

    by ev1ldead

    it was called fucking genius. So shut the fuck up, bitch. <p> The first movie wasn't nearly as bad as some fuckheads make it. The world didn't need a Halloween remake, but it wasn't a bad movie. FUCK!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    'The Blob' remake...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    If only QT was helming it. That way our dear friend Harry could star in it...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    OH AND HE MADE THE WORST FAKE TRAILER FOR GRINDHOUSE!!!FACT!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Worst fake trailer...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Agreed.. now "DON'T!" by Edgar Wright was some genius-on-a-stick. I'd sit my ass down in a theatre if that was ever expanded into a full length picture.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    ev1ldead, IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES "FUCK" IS USED.......

    by CarlThorMark1978

    It’s about how it is said, the context of it being used and the intent of the word.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    I liked it...personally..we needed jason's weed farm..

    by joker40

    The ghost images and the visuals, and the way zombie turned everything up side down was awsome....Now if jason vorhees from earlier this year...had given lori some of his weed from his film...and some to michal..then we would have a great story...and it wouldnt be a slasher film if we didnt have the word fuck at least 120 times...cmon people lighten up..especially quint...geez

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    I ACTUALLY THINK ZOMBIE SHOULD HAVE DONE FRIDAY THE 13TH.....

    by CarlThorMark1978

    IMHO he would have been ideal for that movie. I don't know why but it feels right.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    HE'LL LOSE THE BLOB

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    I'm betting the studio "rethinks the direction of the film" and moves away from letting Rob Zombie helm it. Halloween 2 is getting SCATHING reviews; and may not even make as much money as Final Destination this weekend. This may be Rob's swan song..cuz THE HAUNTED WORLD OF EL SUPERBEASTO sure as fuck ain't gonna save him. ANd I'm not a rabid Rob hater...I loved The Devil's Rejects - but now I realize it was a fluke. He borrowed from enough good films that his seemed decent (but it was just thievery akin to what Quentin Tarantino does routinely).

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Atleast Zombie....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    isn't remaking japanese horror. That's the work of a true shmuck. Because everyone knows they pwn us when it comes to Horror flicks.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    His wife looks like she gives great helmet, btw.

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST

    S.S. Werewomen gets my vote for his next project

    by onezeroone

    Not that it matters, but would love to see that one made into a movie, esp with Nic Cage.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Who bets we get a workprint of movie release tonight?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Ummm, It's his job?!?

    by Phildogger

    For everyone admonishing Quint about why he continues to see Zombie's crapfests, despite hating the preceding one...It's what he does to save us the 10 bucks.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Laserpants - You beat me to it

    by spud mcspud

    That's EXACTLY the synopsis of ROB ZOMBIE'S THE BLOB I had in mind.<P> Maybe he could continue the story of the eye-scarred preacher at the end of the 80s remake, since he has a blob fragment in a jar and is basically three-quarters of the way already to becoming a shrieking redneck sociopath. The perfect Zombie jumping off point!<P> Rob Zombie is the ultimate argument for NOT allowing fanboys to make films. They are worse that shit. There isn't a word to describe how bad his movies are. WHY THE FUCK ARE STUDIOS STILL PAYING HIM TO MAKE THIS POINTLESS BOLLOCKS??

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    You honestly think.....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    talkbackers give much of a shit about the reviews? We come on here to bullshit and let the nerd out. If there's a movie you wanna see, you'll see it. If not, then you won't. Some asshole gives an opinion and what does it matter to you? It's like the same thing in regards to voting. Those campaign commercials don't mean shit. You're gonna vote this dick or that pussy.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978

    by spud mcspud

    No, I think they should have held back on the Nispel and let Rob Zombie do the remake TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. Isn't that basically what ALL his movies have been, sans chainsaws??<P> But then there would have been no Biel boobage. Ah, Biel boobage...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    S.S. Werewomen....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    ...an idea that sounds good on paper or high or Marijuana. About it.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    MY OWN DREAM SEQUENCE...

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    Rob Zombie and his wife sodomizing the corpse of Michael Meyers in hopes of pulling his dick out of the masked one's decaying ass and finding a hundred dollar bill wrapped around the shaft. Actually, this wasn't a dream at all...this was how Rob decided to approach Halloween 2.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Biel Boobage...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    boing!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie is the Uwe Boll of horror...

    by MJohnson

    ...and why we continue to subsidize him even to criticize him is beyond me. Just stop seeing his movies. For any reason at all. Just stop.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST

    I respectfully disagree....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    No one is the Uwe Boll of anything. The man is in his own field. Uwe Boll has given b-movies a bad name. Yes, he has actually managed that..."So bad it's good?" No, So bad it's Uwe Boll."

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by Marxeffect

    I wouldn't like to see Rob Zombie anywhere near a Chainsaw Massacre movie. Even though he "tries" to ape them on every single movie, he still hasn't come even close to the remake and definitely nowhere near the original. P.S Agreed on the boobage!!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie`s "The Jungle Book"?

    by Snikkar124

    or "Snow White Trash & the seven junkies"

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Remaking the Blob? Well, I smell a Shawnee Smith cameo

    by SoylentMean

    How do you make a psycho hillbilly Blob? Maybe as it rolls its all photo luminescent, and it comes across a billboard that has a confederate flag and, for some reason it decides to blend in to that billboard, taking on the image of the confederate flag, then it attacks the redneck cop as he tries to catch speeders while hiding his cruiser behind said billboard. Oh, the possibilities…

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Ok. Zombie screwed the pooch...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    But I'm interested in to see just how big a train wreck this will be, but I'll use a torrent rather than my own cash. It'll make a bit of cash for the studio and Halloween fans will be glad of another installment...but Zombie has pretty much buried this franchise deeper than even Shumacher managed with Battits 1 & 2. Halloween will now go the way of Hellraiser and be straight to DVD IF there are to be any follow-ups.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    I heard he was going to remake Jaws..

    by Marxeffect

    but instead of a soulless, unthinking, perfect predator, we will get a shark (obviously 50 feet long now instead of the 20-25ft) with mommy issues and a checked shirt. Plus in the sequel we will discover that the shark didn't actually die in the end and has been hiding in the sea around Cornwall for the past year and comes back with a beard!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    The thing that confuses me...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    ... is how guys like Zombie and Summers can claim to be fans of the source material and make these turds that seem to spit in the faces of that very material. In Zombie's case I think he means well but just can't seem to pull it off or lacks any kind of restraint. Summers.. I have no idea. I think he just found some copies of Famous Monsters lying around and somehow convinced the big shots that he was some kind of expert. Van Helsing shat all over the classic monsters and he claimed it was some kind of homage! I really don't have an issue with remaking some things as long as the people involved show the proper respect for the original. It's looking like the upcoming Wolfman flick might be a good example of that.. at least I'm hoping so.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Crowds turning against the movie: good thread subject

    by classyfredblassy

    Recently saw this at "The Happening". The second time you could see the boom mike hanging down into the shot, it was on. Largest walk out: Godzilla (USA 1998), after the "whoops, wrong floor" scene. Funniest: a mob of angry young black dudes pounding on the ticket booth for their money back after "witchboard" (1987?). The one guy yelled " No blood? No tits? This was bullshit! We want out money back!" Dude it was pg-13. Plus I didn't think Witchboard was that bad. Big Mal Fader fan.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Variety: Zombie set to remake The Blob

    by snallyg

    I seriously doubt Zombie could do a better version than Chuck Russell's 1988 remake- a classic in its own right.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    The 1988 Blob is better than the original

    by SoylentMean

    It is such a mash up of cheese and insanely imaginative gore FX, plus it has a young Shawnee Smith looking hot and terrified. Plus, the Kevin Dillon mullet is a character in its own right.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Zombie on Jimmy Kimmel

    by Snikkar124

    Saying he did the movie in record time= the end result. Also him saying its tecnicly a prequel of the reimagining of the fourth film of the second series? It explains it all rigth?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    CHUCK RUSSELL'S BLOB IS CLASSIC 80'S HORROR!!!FACT!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Reunite White Zombie

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    White Zombie was the only GREAT thing Rob has ever done and that's mainly because he had creative input from his band mates.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Fuck this movie.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Fuck this movie. That is all.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Fuck_You_George_Lucas: Fucking A right. Only thing is: Zombie's voice was never really that good without "studio magic," so who the fuck knows how good it is now? Still: We all could use a little Black Sunshine in our lives.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    CHUCK RUSSELL'S BLOB

    by classyfredblassy

    First scene in cinema history were a man gets bent in half? I think so...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    So Devil's Rejects is officially a fluke?

    by rev_skarekroe

    And Zombie officially sucks as a director? What a shame, I had such high hopes for the guy.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    The "Fuck Count"

    by Karl Childers

    The only time I ever thought overusing the word "fuck" was used wisely was in the first season of The Wire when McNulty and Bunk used it as the only dialogue when they were combing a crime scene. Genius.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Basehead had beaten me to it..

    by Karl Childers

    Credit where credit is due. I still wouldn't have minded seeing Zombie's botched take on the Crow from years ago.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    The Descent 2 Trailer

    by Karl Childers

    http://media.movies.ign.com/media/143/14316746/vids_1.html Once again, AICN is late to the party.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    This is funny

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    Maybe it's just me, I have never had any desire to watch 'horror' movies.. never have seen a Jason movie, only ever saw the original Krueger and Halloween.. and I certainly have had no desire at all to see any of today's modern snuff porn that passes for horror movies now.. so maybe it's a true 'art form' that I just don't get. And yet... and yet... people are actually somehow surprised when some dude named 'Rob Zombie' is handed the reins to make movies in Hollywood (based upon ... what exactly? What qualifications does he have, what training? The fact that he really really likes horror movies?).. and then somehow unbelievably the guy turns out to not know what he is doing, not have any ability or skill.. and people are *surprised*? Who thought this was ever a good idea in the first place? Some ad wizard must have thought the drug-addled stoner audience was an untapped gold mine, and that people would flock to see a movie if it had 'Rob Zombie' on the title somewhere, and hopefully the viewers would be so stoned they would not notice the actual movie anyway... it's a good concept on paper, but somehow some people actually expect a real, competent movie for their ten bucks.. truly the emperor has no clothes.. it's funny how people act like they didn't see this coming.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Big_Daddy_Nero

    by Marxeffect

    Nobody is surprised that it turned out shit, we just like to bitch about it when it does! Especially with something as sacred as Halloween. I know you may not be a horror fan but most of us are, so when somebody fucks up a beloved property like this then incidently there is going to be a hell of a backlash!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST

    yous guys are dicks

    by WolfmanNards

    I think Robert Zombie makes good horror movies. The last halloween was the best in the franchise next to the original. Don't know if you guys have seen them all, but this just in - 2 through 8 blow pretty hard.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    At least he made the best Grindhouse trailer

    by 0007

    and The Devil's Rejects.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I find Halloween 2 & 4..

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    more enjoyable than Zombie's Halloween. If that makes me a dick, so be it.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Big_Daddy_Nero, you ignorant fuck

    by SoylentMean

    "I have never had any desire to watch 'horror' movies". Wow, really, so why are you posting in this thread or any other thread about Horror movies? Horror movies are a valid and profitable genre, nay "art form" that has helped many a movie studio stay afloat. People go to them to see something fantastic, something fearsome, something not real. It's called escapism. <P> Big Daddy is just a bitter person, a personality type that seems to run rampant here on AICN.<P> Big Daddy, go back to watching your Merchant Ivory period pieces and let the horrorhounds have their fun.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    88 Blob furkin rules!

    by Sailor Rip

    The blob will be a bacteria that some hillbilly got from drinking dad moonshine that causes him to grow to immence harry like porportions and go around killing people.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    0007

    by ColonelFatheart

    No, Thanksgiving was the best, followed by Don't, and then Zombie's, which was pretty good. Yeah, I fucking laughed hard at "Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu!" That was one of the few times in his movie career where I thought Zombie had "gotten it." Of course it helped that Cage got it, too.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    FUCK !!!

    by alice 13

    woo-hoo!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    yeah...

    by The Amazing G

    the trailer didn't look interesting and I never bothered seeing the first, so I'll pass, it is pretty awesome that Bill Fagerbakke is in it though

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    aintitcoolnews sucks so much these days...

    by Gluecifer

    that the more I read bad reviews about Halloween II, the more I wanna see it. Those guys are probably too busy sucking that moron Tarantino's dick. Fuck those fuckin' fucks!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    WolfmanNards

    by Marxeffect

    You obviously haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. Have you actually seen the Halloween movies? Granted, some of the sequels were pretty lame, they practically killed the franchise when Busta Rhymes kicked Michael's ass. But seriously, Zombie "vision" of Halloween sucks, i'd prefer to watch H2O

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Zombie's trailer...

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    ... went south when he included his wife's name in the mix with the likes of Udo Kier and Sybil Danning. The Thanksgiving trailer was Roth's masterstroke. He'll never top that.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    As more and more footage was shown

    by mattforce7

    the more i got the feeling it would indeed suck.. yup, not getting my 9.50+ soda

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Quint-

    by Chadley BeBay

    You sound like a colossal bitch. #1- the first movie had some really cool shit in it. There was no 'damage' to be done, it was better than 90% of the sequels!!! what the fat fuck planet are you on brudder?! You are saying you prefer Loomis in Halloween 666 or something? Jesus christ. Its the same shit when people rag on the Friday the 13th remake. IT WAS BETTER than all of the shit sequels, with a couple exceptions. Yes the first one was awesome. The first NOES was awesome, but like it or not they are gonna make more. At least we get something fresh with the characters now, instead of the same old shit! I would take Rob Zombie's take on the Halloween franchise over virtually any of the sequels. So get a clue man..

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    So how does this one end?

    by alienindisguise

    That's all I wanna know.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Not surprised...

    by jorson28

    This movie was rushed into production. It seemed like they spent 9 months or so with one team then, all the sudden, Zombie asks how it's going at an awards show and overnight he's onboard. He must have written the script and gone through pre-production in about two months flat. With that kind of craftsmanship (or lack thereof), what else should we expect?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I'm SHOCKED this movie sucks...

    by WickedJester

    Where's the workprint leak like the first one.. I don't wanna waste my make-my-gf-see-a-movie credit on this crap.<br><br>I do own the first on BluRay though because it came free with the original. (And it's still in it's wrapper)

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Zombie : worse than Eli Roth ?

    by m_prevette

    Could it be? It's a known fact that Eli Roth is the absolute worst movie maker in the universe, a smug hack without an ounce of talent . . . could Zombie be worse? Zombie's main failure is that he has no screenplay crafting talent - at all - but if someone else delivered a decent script and Zombie was contractually bound to stick to it verbatim, could he deliver a watchable movie? Granted he hasn't been able to do this so far, 1000 Corpses, Devil's Rejects, H1 , all pure gargabe... can he somehow someway one day make something that doesn't incite disgust ?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Remember when Zombie said he will not make a sequel?

    by WickedJester

    It's all about how much money he can put in the trunk of his Dragula...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    jorson28

    by 0007

    9 mo. turn-around isn't always a harbinger of being a "rush job". Terminator 2 was conceived, produced, and released all within a 9 mo. window! But yeah, I'm sure this one's not one to benefit from that kind of momentum.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay = Rob Zombie

    by WickedJester

    Or a massive fucking tool.<br><br>You cannot be a fan of anything Halloween if you'd take anything with Zombie involved in it over any of the sequels.<br><br>The real H2 was great.<br><br>Shit, Resurrection was better than any of this Zombie's Halloween nonsense.<br><br>Michael Myers is not a member of the Devil's Rejects.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    With All Due Respect...

    by toxicbuddha

    ..the only bigger waste of time than Zombie remaking Halloween flicks is your reviewing them. I know you got a job to do, but damn. Just damn.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    THE BLOB...

    by Oprah_Duke

    Will crawl over there and SKULLFUCK the shit out of you!!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    So, Zombie has resigned himself to doing nothing but remakes.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What a loser.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    The Blob?

    by Bouncy X

    i thought the Hughes brothers or some other brother directing team were doing that one? It was even being called B.L.O.B. with some lame scientific name for it. did that fall through? because i was anticipating a good dvd/blu-ray release of the 80s version whenever this one hit theaters.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Chopper Sullivan

    by Series7

    Yeah the trailer does make this look lame. Like a direct to VHS movie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I actually enjoyed the first one.....

    by Evangelion217

    but this one sounds alot worse. :(

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Please don't go pay to see this

    by jcrow

    Why does he still get movie work other than low-budget slasher-porn? I just watched Halloween 2 last night and it's the worst movie I've seen in years. I watched Halloween just before and it's Oscar-material compared. I beg all of you who haven't seen it, do not pay $ to see this piece of shit.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    FUCK Count

    by Series7

    Stay tuned to <P> http://www.kids-in-mind.com/ <P> they usually give you at least a cuss word count.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Here this is their Finding Woodstock count

    by Series7

    PROFANITY 8 - About 33 F-words and its derivatives, 2 sexual references, 4 scatological terms, 2 anatomical terms, 6 mild obscenities, 1 derogatory term for homosexuals, name-calling (cuckoo land, idiot, mashugana, putz, hippies, schmucks), exclamations (for crying out loud), 7 religious exclamations.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    If you want to read something really funny

    by Series7

    Check out their SEX/NUDITY section for Funny people. And try to see the guy explain the onslaught of dick jokes in that movie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I don't think Zombie is worried about his bills.

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>He is a successful filmmaker and a successful rock star. Dude's gotta be rolling in it. he makes horror movies because he wants to. I think that's pretty cool.</p><p>As to whether or not I'll like this movie, I have no idea. I had a lot of problems with the first one, particularly the first 10 minutes, but overall I liked it. The trailer for H2 looks frankly pretty cool. I really like the idea of MM "walking the earth" for a year, killing random backwoods assholes. I will see this saturday or sunday so I guess I'll find out soon.</p>

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Ok has anyone seen those

    by Series7

    Fake banner ads where Mike Myers comes in and takes one of the actors? Just saw a fake apple/pc one, those are funny come on.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    If you Circus Animals thought this was fun.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Wait until the Nightmare on Elm street remake crap start surfacing. <p> When I was a kid we didn't have all these shitty remakes every two weeks, we had to actually watch the originals! <p> Damn I feel old.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    I refuse to watch any more horror remakes

    by Beezbo

    It's like listening to nothing but cover bands.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Series7

    The top four films this weekend could all be rated R. I wonder if it will happen. When was the last time you seen that?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I keep forgetting that

    by Series7

    Rob Zombie broke a box office record. Thats actually pretty crazy.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Stick to your guns... right.

    by Riff_Randell

    This is from a 2007 EW interview: "Though Dimension may try to terrorize Zombie into more of the Michael Myers franchise, the director has higher aspirations. ”I’m not going to do any more Halloween movies, or any more remakes of any kind. I signed up for two more pictures, but not two more Halloween pictures,” he says. ”They’re going to be original stuff and I don’t necessarily know that they’re going to be related to the horror genre either." ”You just have to stick to your guns. I think when people try to chase trends or second-guess what audiences want, it gets them in trouble. You just got to do your thing.”- And NOW he wants to re-make The Blob, without a Blob.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    Dude, chill. I was not criticizing horror movies in general, I simply said that I don't care for them. And I wasn't even criticizing horror movie FANS. Just said that I am not one of them. All I am saying is that anyone with an ounce of sense should have been able to predict that this Zombie-making-movies thing was not going to work out. Relax, go have a smoothie or something, my points were not aimed at you :)

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Big Daddy Nero, I apologize

    by SoylentMean

    I'm just protective of my favorite genre and get irked when people tell me they don't get it and act like people who do like Horror movies are a subclass of degenerates that crave real life violence and carnage. <P> I think I'll have something instead of a smoothie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Fortunately, I'm Seeing The Final Destination Tonight

    by My_IQ_is_135

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    The Fuck Count

    by AsimovLives

    Rob Zombie's The Devil's Rejects is one of the movie with the highest amount of fucks said. Very few other movies surpass it, like, say, Casino.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    PLEASE QUIT MAKING "MOVIES" ROB ZOMBIE

    by Mennen

    You are awful at it. Honestly, how can EVERYBODY be wrong?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN IN AUGUST = !!!

    by Mullah Omar

    I guess nobody from marketing really gave a shit. <br> <br> Or perhaps the idea is to have this on DVD by October 31.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    For the Last Time, it's YankoVIC, not YankoVICH!

    by 0007

    Weird Al fans get sick with the eye-rolling that comes with that common misconception.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Riff

    by WickedJester

    Exactly the quotes I was looking for. Thank you!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Halloween II is Great!

    by th3480

    Why? "You just got snapped by Weird Al!" Best. Line. Ever.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    yeah I do ove that Zombie cast old genre actors!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    One of the things I love about this guy and probably why i supports his films!<p>But I do love Quint calling this film out for what it is and I suspect Zombie would agree that Quint has balls!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Quint Knows It All...

    by WalterWhite

    When I crashed my car at 50 mph, all that I could muster was repeating "fuck" over and over again for around 30 seconds. Crashing a car is fucking jarring and it's difficult to come up with witty dialogue in the moments after the impact. You're retarded for bitching about that in your review.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Zombie's failure is complete

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The stink emanating from this film is proof positive that he is a hack. Just about any attempt to remake Halloween would have suffered in comparison to the original, so it's almost a scratch for him--I hated it, but if you want to be very, very charitable, you could say it just doesn't measure up to the original and leave it at that. But the first "Halloween II" was actually a pretty bad movie, so this version has none of that burden. So this failure can only be pinned on Mr. Zombie. He's the Tony Romo of film directors now.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    But Quint....

    by Doctorarzt

    We have seen him do his own thing, and he makes the same mistakes over and over. Dr. Satan was the best concept from House of 1000 Corpses, and he botched it - then completely forgot about him for Devil's Rejects (except for a deleted scene). Face it, he has a 4:0 ratio. What happened to 3 strikes your out! Studios: stop funding this hack! Clearly he loves the genre, but he definitely has no. fucking. skills.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Will there be a third?

    by Mel Garga

    Hopefully not. If this guy is as full of dark and twisted thoughts as he wants us to believe then he should stick to developing original ideas. My advice would be to pull a David Lynch a la Straight Story and direct a straighforward kid-friendly film. I would totally take my kids to see Sunshine Lollipop Kittens the movie directed by Robert Zombie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU ROB ZOMBIE YOU PIECE OF SHIT

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    ALL OF YOUR MOVIES STINK LIKE CRAP.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Final Destination for the win!

    by andrew coleman

    At least that movie will terrible and funny. This will be terrible and even more terrible. Fuck Rob Zombie. He's dead to me now. Get it? He's a zombie... Ugh.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    ROBERT ZOMBIE'S "SUNSHINE LOLLIPOP KITTENS"

    by Mullah Omar

    Mel Garga speaks the truth.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Halloween 3

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    You missed your chance Rob and if it sucked, I guarantee you wouldn't be seeing near the backlash because a Michael Myer's Halloween 3 doesn't exist.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Halloween II = The most pointless movie of the summer???

    by Mrhazard

    I'd rather watch Transformers and GI Joe in a double feature all day than this once...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN 2 projected weekend gross?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    75 million!....oops,sorry-I meant 7.5 million.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Quint we did not see the same movie

    by ThePilgrim

    Seriously this film was very original and well made, and I remember when I got hurt real bad falling through a floor a few years back that I kept saying fuck like that. Every movement, increased pain. That guys ribs where fucking pressed into his lungs and heart and intestines. He probably endured a tear in his heart, broken ribs, punched lung, and damage to his intestines and other such painful shit. He was still alive and it fucking hurt. What was he supposed to say??? The film was nothing short of brilliant. I kept waiting for that sucky moment to happen, even more so after reading the headline of your review. Sorry i refused to read it until I saw the film, and it never once felt like I was watching something false like i did with the remake. Maybe when you re watch it again sometime later down the road when you realize there was no mishandling of the characters, because they are meant to be totally different from the original creations. Maybe then it will look different to you and you can judge it for what it is. I was shocked with it as a whole film. I think it handed TDR it's ass. Fuck it, maybe my family just has issue, but Lauries antics. That's my sister 100% when she feels betrayed or lied too. She loses it just like that, and then she does something crazy to kill the pain. Loomis, man he didn't care. damn it you saw him watching the TV saying well shit I just made an ass of myself and now my career is over. come on there are celebs liek that fuck read Eli's interview here for bastards. They just get so into themselves it's offensive. what about the Jaws and Psycho homages in there. Little Michael being Big Michaels voice was brilliant. It preserved the quite monster part of him but allowed him to communicate. This review hate is not over the quality of the film or the plot, it's over it being 100% unlike any Halloween. What a shame. Cause this thing is high damn quality- visual, acting and story it really is horrific engaging and creative as hell.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Read an interview from about 10 odd years ago

    by Turingtestee

    where Zombie was bitching about the state of the horror movie genera, the Scream franchise in particular. Blasted it for it's who-done-it aspects. Now he did have a point, and I was in agreement. Heard about him doing Ho1KC and thought to myself that (it sounded just like TCSM) he would do a horror movie justice.<P> House was inept, ill-conceived and derivative to utter pointlessness. You can't say he did anything AT ALL but a very poorly done remake TCSM. After the posturing he did in that interview (saying that he "doesnt care" what the guitarist and bassist from White Zombie are up to a few years after the band broke up and why would he want to? didnt help), stroking his own creativity, calling a movie made me realize the dude is a hacky turd. His Halloween is the ONLY movie I have turned off unable to watch in YEARS.<P> His preference for red-neck white-trash camp is simple. It is the simplest tone to take. Give ten amatures a camera and equipment and ANYTHING they make will be 'campy'. Garden varity camp is a tell-tail sign of a real lack of talent. Carlthormark is absolutely correct. A monkey could have shown more artistic growth.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    And now he is going to fuck up the Blob

    by Turingtestee

    Irvin Yeaworth is rolling around in his grave . . . um . . . if he um . . . is in one . . . that is.<P><P><P><P>I had to cheat and look at the dvd.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Out of curiosity....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    what was the 'Jaws' homage? I'm probably not going to see it...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Jaws Scene= Judiths Father confronting Loomis at the bookstore

    by ThePilgrim

    it came off a lot like the scene in Jaws where Brody was confronted by the mother. That is the vibe I got from it until he pulled the gun out.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I didnt see Jaws...

    by Flames gotta Eat

    And I think ThePilgrim was smoking the happy weed when he saw this, because it doesn't sound like we saw the same movie. H2 to me was a run of the mill modern slasher and that's it. It was utterly pointless and uneffective. I saw no Jaws, I did see some Psycho and also Night of the Living Dead. What I didn't fucking see was Halloween. So sad.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    so HER first name is Scout and last name Compton?

    by Meadowe

    I used to get made fun of as a kid for being named after what cows graze on AND having an extra e on the end of my name, I can just imagine what she had to go through as a little girl. I guess that's why she went into acting, to gain a sense of acceptance to help balance out the teasing of her childhood? And as far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't have Jamie Lee as a star, or even Josh Hartnett, I wouldn't have really considered it a Halloween movie anyway. RZ should stiq to his own creations, but I guess if they're not being greenlit, hey, "Zombie gotta eat."

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIE'S JAWS!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Jaws is some guy in a shark costume terrorizing trailer parks.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK

    by la_sith

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK, lol

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I was rewatching some Lost episodes with that guy in it a few days ago, and I laughed because I renumbered that phrase was all over this site a few years ago.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Maybe, just maybe now we'll get a final sequel

    by The_Ritty

    to the original films...it'd be a first, go back after the remakes... I'd rather have another sequel to those anyways... Fuck you Rob Zombie.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie rocks

    by cowboy_bert

    This movie could very well suck. Most sequel/remakes do. But Zombie's music and first two movies kick ass. Halloween remake was fun but nothing great. Lighten up. It's cheap horror movies.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU, QUINT!

    by fanaticon2007

    First of all, AICN enjoy G.I. JOE, one of many signs that Harry and clan have their heads so far up their asses that they can't see the light of day! Second, fuck you all for trashing Zombie! The guy is at least trying his best to create a body of work in an industry ruled by money and marketing more than ever. Romero, Carpenter and Craven worked in the independent scene - where they had full creative control. Studios have, and always will, require certain elements in a horror sequel. Zombie is doing his best to give Dimension what they want and still have something at the end of the day he can be proud of. Remember, Dimension tried to tell Wes Craven how to direct many a time. And for anyone who thinks that the HALLOWEEN sequels in anyway added to Carpenter's original is out of the their fucking minds! You need to stop trashing the likes of Zombie and Eli Roth, Paul Anderson and Darren Lynn Bousman. At least these guys like the genre. Give them time to develop a voice and the power to make truly better films. I will take them any day of the week over dramatic directors helming horror films that they refuse to call anything but "thrillers".

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I love the review

    by HorrorReporter

    one of the most honest I've seen

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Honest???

    by fanaticon2007

    Every so called review on AICN now is filled with spoilers and is usually filled with hate for the filmmakers. They are blinded by it before even giving the film a chance. HALLOWEEN II had many flaws. It is not as good as the first. Simple. However, they are truly great moments. Brackett's scenes, especailly when he sees Annie dead, are wonderful. When Annie catches the image of Michael in the mirror. Harris' expression is so hopeless. She knows she is done for. Those moments came from both Zombie and the actors working together. I think in the future he should pair up with a co-writer to keep him grounded.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Filmmakers will stumble.....

    by fanaticon2007

    Even our greats stumble. CRAVEN - Vampire In Brooklyn. CARPENTER - Everything made after In The Mouth Of Madness. I saw Zombie's DEVIL'S REJECTS with a preview audience. They are it up, as Did I. It was a great fucking film. Not a fluke. His version of HALLOWEEN and his sequel, not a remake of the original HALLOWEEN II is much better than the reamkes of FRIDAY THE 13th and suck we thrown on a monthly basis.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    oops

    by fanaticon2007

    ate it up, I mean.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    How's the nudity?

    by the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox

    <p>I hate Rob Zombie, and thought his first "Halloween" was absolute shit.</p> <p>But it did have some decent nudity. How's then nudity in this?</p>

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Better than the 1st(remake)... (with more nudity)

    by The Dum Guy

    The kills aren't original, but you can only stab someone a few different ways.<br><br>I had zero expectations for this, and after seeing a little bit of Final Destination 4, I'd say this is the better of the two.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie's Jaws....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    If that were a reality. No doubt it'd be worse than the remake of 'Psycho.'

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    I don't think I could ever be that mad at a film production, either. Lol.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Hey, Red Horse Victor

    by fanaticon2007

    Let me know when you can critique a film with more than the word "shit". I can't take you anymore serious than Quint.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Now, HATCHET....

    by fanaticon2007

    There's a piece of garbage. Not only did guys like Quint fawn all over it. They are fucking making a sequel. And you call Zombie lame.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Sheri's titties

    by cowboy_bert

    Do you see them?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    cowboy_bert

    by The Dum Guy

    Nope, but I'm not sure we'd really want to (isn't she almost 40?).

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    BECASUE WE ALL KNOW WHEN HARRY GETS A FREE TICKET= GOOD REVIEWS

    by Androidvirus

    Quint continues to proove himself by being way offon his reviews. I think Quint you have drank too much of Harry's man syrup kneeled in front of his throne/ wheelchair. I'd like to see you or thatother cripple do better than MR Zombie. I locked the movie. I was better than Most of the shit that came out this summer. Or are you just mad you didnt get a free ticket to this one? BECASUE WE ALL KNOW WHEN HARRY GETS A FREE TICKET= GOOD REVIEWS.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Do you really think his ass of fat....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    would pay for a ticket? That's decent hot pocket money right there.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Don't piss on Harry for paying for tickets....

    by The Dum Guy

    We all know he paid to see X-Men Origins: Wolverine.... even if he only had to pay 3 bucks for it (I sent him fifty-cents to off set the cost).<br><br>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40955

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Harry said he liked FD3 on his Twitter

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by SebastianHaff

    I dug it. A lot. Halloween '78 is my second favorite film of all time (second only to Night of the Living Dead '68), and Zombie's first remake left me... underwhelmed. I liked a lot of the concepts, but it felt like he didn't have the guts to really go for it. <p><br> This time he fucking went for it. Halloween II is batshit crazy. I love how weird it is. I love that Michael isn't even an important part of the plot till the last twenty minutes. The majority of the movie is seeing how fucked up these people are after surviving a massacre, and the anticipation as to what <i>might</i> happen on the one year anniversary. <br><p> Was the flick perfect? No. Some of the dialogue was downright silly, and frankly, the most interesting character in the whole film (Bracket) is criminally underused. That said, there is a scene where he finds... something in his upstairs bedroom, and it makes for a truly great Brad Douriff performance. I truly felt for him. <br><p> Most importantly, this is the first movie in series to <b>really</b> look like it is taking place on Halloween. I loved the look of the film (though I can do without the fucking shaky cam). I thought it was the best one since Halloween III (yes, I actually like Halloween III). <br><p> Then again, I can find something I like in all the Halloween films. Plus I've found something to like in all of Zombie's films. I don't know. I dug it.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    While I'm at it...

    by SebastianHaff

    1. Halloween <br><p> 2. Halloween II <br><p> 3. Halloween III <br><p> 4. Halloween II Zombie Version <br><p> 5. Halloween H20 <br><p> 6. Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers <br><p> 7. Halloween Zombie Version <br><p> 8. Halloween 5 <br><p> 9. Halloween 4 <br><p> 10. Halloween Resurrection (So bad I'm embarrassed to own it. But I'm a fucking completist.) <br><p> Also, the Halloween 6 Producer's Cut is... interesting. But I don't consider it canon. It's a curious alternative.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    SebastianHaff

    by The Dum Guy

    I gotta' go with most of what ya' feel.<br><br>I would go with the first 2 original's followed by the remakes as the best, then I'd bother with the sequel's (I've never seen 3).<br><br>If you don't go (re)see Basterds this week, then go H2 (water).

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    The last two posters...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...are fucking morons.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Zombie will forever be a fucking hack...

    by ZodNotGod

    Unless he gets some orginial ideas. How about a monster movie set in the wild west? Instead of a Blob remake; set in the wild west or a Vampire attacks a Civil War regiment or a wagon train headed west is at first attacked by Indians, then werewolves and the whites have to band together with the Indians to fight off the beasties. I don't even get paid to do this and I can think of better ideas than what Zombie gets way over paid to shit out. Sad. So much potential there. All of the horror icons of the 1980's, my coming of age era- keep getting pissed on. Sure, Freddy, MM, and Leatherface were killed by bad sequels, but I will take all of their bad sequels over this remake, pointless bullshit. When I think of all the great novels that have yet to be made it sickens me H-town is wasting dough on worthless remakes.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Perspective

    by khaosmatrix

    Does anyone remember that this film was already written and had a director before he came aboard. Plus, he had a short schedule to make any changes and get his movie out. Besides this movie is and never will be a summer flick. All Horror movies are October/November films. Also, studios need to stop making release dates before you have a movie. Let a director finish then put a release date, you will get better movies.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    So what are you saying, Khaos?

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    Every shit movie he's made was a result of extenuating circumstances beyond his control?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    MidnightMeatTrain

    by SebastianHaff

    Thinks I'm a moron because I have a different opinion of a frivolous slasher film. What a fitting screen name he has, though...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    And I say that...

    by SebastianHaff

    With nothing but respect for Clive Barker. Man's a legend. Regardless, even if you are a moron, I would never come to that conclusion based on your taste in film, and for the sake of not being a dickhole, I'd suggest you do the same.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST

    by fanaticon2007

    HALLOWEEN II (2009) Written, produced and directed by Rob Zombie The last time we saw Michael Myers in 2007, he wasn't faring too well. He was on his back, taking rounds from a high caliber weapon, at point blank range. From his long lost sister to boot. So ended Rob Zombie's version of the classic John Carpenter film. Two years passed with other filmmakers coming in and out of the proposed sequel. Dimension and producer Malek Akkad were able to lure Zombie back. Why did he return? No one is quite sure right now. A paycheck? Maybe. The chance to continue the characters? Could be. Regardless, the musician turned director returned for another outing. I just viewed the film today myself. The following analysis of the film is not filled with hatred and foul mouthed words pointed at the director. it is an attempt to look at the film as its own entity, for both its sucessful and flawed moments. The film begins with a flashback of Michael's time in the sanitarium that we never saw in the original. Michael's mother gives the gift of a toy. A white horse. Michael talks about his dreams of the same horse. It's a cheat of sorts. If this was so damned important, why did we not see it in the original? It also creates a problem with the films bookending each other in many respects. The first film is meant to be grounded in the realism of such a killer existing. It was never meant to delve into the sequels' supernatural elements. It is not that I feel the element of the horse, etc doen't work. But I do feel it is violating his own mythology. A slam cut of the title card and then: Laurie has "killed" Michael Myers and is stumbling through the streets of Haddonfield, Illnois. The shooting location has moved to Georgia, which pays off quite well. The quiet, old school feel of an american town is everywhere. That, with the inclusion of a torrential rain, adds an amtopshere not present in the first film. Zombie is already attempting to push himself as a director to visually change the mood of the first film. Sheriff Brackett is re-introduced as he discovers the near catatonic Laurie as she utters about killing the boogeyman. The sheriff's department and EMTs find both Loomis and Annie and rush them to the hospital. Michael's body is found and loaded on a van for transport to the local hospital morgue. In a scene which echoes moments from earlier HALLOWEEN films, the van crashes and Michael escapes. He has a vision of the very dream he discusses with this mother in the pre-title sequence. The lengthy hospital sequence that follows is Zombie's way of paying homage to the Carpenter produced HALLOWEEN 2 from the 80's, as well as showing the results of the night at hand. Truly, much of this is the core of the sequel. And an element that I wished he could have focused on more. We see the aftermath of horror and violence. This rewrites the general "rules" of the slasher film. And, to me, it is welcomed. We always see heroines in slasher films flee the killer and do the whole routine of trying to live throughout the running time. Here we see the mental and physical collateral damage from the massacre. It follows all the characters who endure the terror that night. One year later Laurie finds herself still burdened by nightmares of Michael and the night he came home. She is now living with Sheriff Brackett and daughter Annie. Much needs to be said about Danielle Harris' performance of Annie this time out. Throughout the film we never see her leave the house, go to a job or anything of the like. As tough as she may seem to come off, I felt that she wasn't holding it together as well as Laurie - who at least has employment at a local coffee shop. Brackett is attempting to hold what is left of his family together. Dourif pulls it off well. Laurie is the next hurdle the film has to overcome. Scout Compton attempts to usher in Zombie's "new" Laurie with edge and attitude. This is where I think Zombie made a mistake. I know he was trying go for a level of realism where an extreme action will result in an exteme reaction. But her going from girl next door to goth/punk rock chic is too much. I never fealt her truly trying to piece her life together. Loomis is the second character that I wished hadn't acted out the way he did. I understand that even in the original Zombie wanted to create a Loomis well removed from the Ahab-like Donald Plesence version. Which is understandable. He created a Sam Loomis who only thinks of himself and his "feelings" in regards to caring for Michael. He walks away and writes a book on the subject. By the end of the film I really liked that Loomis was now being forced to deal with the monster, that in many respects, he created the day he walked away. But in the sequel, we are back at square one. In fact, he's an even bigger asshole than the first film. Which doesn't seem to make any sense, considering he nearly died at the hands of his monster. Finally we have the man of the hour. Michael Myers. For the last year he has spent pulling a "Kung Fu" and he's been walking the Earth and presumably taking out a victim from time to time. Much like his stay in the hospital, he keeps waiting for his time. And one year later, he starts back towards Haddonfield. Zombie's new image of the famous psychopath changes once more. Once again, in line with the rest of film, upping the visuals to a new level. Michael is dressed in large overcoat, looking a homeless man. His beard has grown out long. His visions of his mother and a younger version of himself beckon him home. Along the way he kills some hillbilly farmers, eats their dog and visits his mother's former employer at the "Rabbit In Red" strip club. The new Myers imagery works as well as any of the other versions of the killer in previous sequels. Two pivitol moments take place before the final act of the film. The first being with Loomis at this most recent book signing. A man offers a book to be autographed. Upon opening it, Loomis finds a photo of Linda from the original film. Loomis is confused. The man turns out to be Linda's father who threatens Loomis with a gun. This is territory that Zombie borrows from John Carpenter and co-writer Debra Hill in their own HALLOWEEN sequel when Sheriff Brackett attacks Loomis for letting Michael out of the hospital. Pretty effective stuff. You do not expect the scene and for me it was another welcomed moment. The second crucial scene is where Laurie reads Loomis' newly released book and she discovers information that she is Michael Myer's sister. Once more, Scout attempts to make us feel the pain and confusion that Laurie is feeling. But it never quite pays off. This leads her to a night of partying with co-workers from the coffee shop. We head into the final act with Michael watching laurie and friends at a Halloween party. Or at least, that is all we can assume. He kills one of Laurie's promiscuous friends then heads off to the Brackett house, where a deputy has been put on site, much to the irritation of Annie. Michael appears at the house, killing the deputy in a tip of the hat to Carpenter's shape premise. He then sets his sights on the one that got away. Annie is preparing to take a bath. She closes the mirror to reveal Michael behind her. Her face is off hopelessness, doom and fear. It is truly a great moment. She is to be commended on her performance. We watch in slow motion as Annie tries to escape. We know she will not succeed. Laurie arrives home and finds her best friend dying. Scout at this point is finally back to the core of the Laurie character and is brilliant in the emotion shown at the slow death of Annie. From there we are back into HALLOWEEN chase mode as Laurie runs into the woods. Sheriff Brackett learns of a 911 call from his house. On arrival he sees his slain daughter and breaks down. It is a great scene for Dourif and it is well played. Brackett is broken down old man and now he has lost what he lived for the most. Loomis is brought back into the story in a very forced way. In his hotel room he sees a live news report indicating that Myers is alive and has taken Laurie hostage in an abandoned shack. The entire scene borders on being ridiculous. To believe events have moved that quickly is just silly. Loomis comes to the scene where, after a tussle with Sheriff Brackett, is told to leave the scene. Inside the shed we see Laurie being held down by young Michael, with Mother watching. She tells older Michael that it is time for them to come home. Laurie's death is more than likely the event that will make that happen. Loomis refuses to leave and makes it past the police barricade. He yells to Brackett that he needs to do this. He enters the shack. Laurie screams for help from Loomis, who in turn can only see Laurie on the ground by herself. Has she gone insane? The image of young Michael and Mother is only in her "head". Loomis tries to reach her, but its too late. Older Michael grabs Loomis and begins to slice him with a knife, eventually killing him. Michael holds up the dead body of Loomis like a ragdoll. From outside, one of Brackett's men sees a shot and fires at Michael. Michael is hit in the shoulder, drops Loomis and falls upon some sort of scrap metal, stabbing him through the chest. Laurie is suddenly freed. Michael is still alive. She comes to Michael, takes his knife and stabs him to death violently. Brackett and his men are about to enter the shack when the door opens. Laurie appears, much like a previous HALLOWEEN sequel, wearing the mask of Michael Myers. She kneels to the ground, pulls the mask off, and stares at it. The final scene of the film is Laurie in a mental hospital room. She sees Mother and the white horse. We are treated to a new version of the HALLOWEEN theme for the only time in the film. The last act of the film is the most unsatisfying. We never understand how Laurie and Michael can share this illness or the images of Mother. I can see where Zombie was trying so hard to, like in his original, create something outside of the established HALLOWEEN universe. But it never quite comes together. Is the film worth viewing? Most definitely. I also think Zombie's sequel will be viewed more favorably in the future. Crafting Loomis and his motivations in a different direction, and creating a larger finale may have helped it out quite a bit. Another reboot for the franchise is probably the way to go with the series. Zombie has done what he wants with the characters and more than likely doesn't entertain the idea of returning. Somewhere a screenwriter or director needs to figure out a way to simply re-enter the HALLOWEEN universe at a point where nearly all the films can have some sense importance into the storyline. A major feat. Or, maybe its just to let the series end. But something tells me that HALLOWEEN fans like me won't settle for our favorite madman just fading away. Until then.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    MidnightMeatTrain

    by The Dum Guy

    Is a stupid fucking handle (unlesss you are describing your' typical evening).

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    by The Dum Guy

    & I read the short story of MMT and liked it (when I was 12), so please take care of my grammar and bash my handle.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The first part

    by kolchak

    only made money because they released it in August with zero horror competition. I bet "The Final Destination" will take a huge chunk of audience away from this. <p> They're both shit, mind you, but still. The people who aren't smart enough for "Inglourious Basterds" will flock.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    fanaticon2007

    by Meadowe

    Nice summary. I haven't seen it and didn't plan to, and your post was more than enough to satisfy any sort of curiosity.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    For such a big "horror fan"

    by GhostDad

    the guy can't make anything that's actually fuckin' scary. Same goes for Roth and the other guys who try to re-live the grindhouse days they were too young to go to. There's no scares in any of that. Ugly? Uncomfortable? Yes.. but not scary. They're trying to make exploitation movies, when really, so few of those were any good and the ones that were actually had genuine scares, not just pointless gore. Zombie obviously loves the TCSM movies, because he keeps just making knock offs over and over. I don't know when the tide shifted, but it sucks. What you don't see is ALWAYS scarier then what you do see. Can you imagine if Jaws was made today? You'd see the Shark in the first shot.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN 3???

    by plisskenman

    No way!, looks like this series is over. thanks for the memories michael myers. FUCK YOU ROB ZOMBIE

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    STOP GIVING THIS ASS CREDIT FOR HIRING

    by reflecto

    GENRE ACTORS. STOP COVERING HIM. YOU FUCKERS APOLOGIZE FOR HIM BY SAYING "OH, ROB REALLY LOVES HORROR" "OH, ROB ALWAYS HIRES THESE CLASSIC GENRE ACTORS" "OH, WHEN WE INTERVIEW HIM HE KNOWS ALL THE GREAT HORROR FILMS" THAT'S RIGHT, QUINT, I'M TALKING TO FUCKING YOU. STOP APOLOGIZING FOR THIS INCOMPETENT PIECE OF SHIT. HIS WORK SUCKS. HE HAS NO IMAGINATION, ONLY MEMOREX. HE IS UNCURIOUS. HE IS A VIEWFINDER OF OLDER, BETTER WORK. HE IS USING YOU.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Zombie really needs to stop writing and only direct

    by smackfu

    Basically, if he's not doing a movie about a hillbilly satanist family, he has no business writing dialogue. Like Quint, I'm no prude, I curse my ass off and constantly say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. But there is something extremely off-putting about Zombie's dialogue, it always feels extremely unrealistic and counter-intuitive to the characters. Like in the first one where Laurie made some sexual joke infront of her mother and father and did some weird motion in the general vacinity of her vagina. Yeah, as a general rule of thumb, high school girls do not make jokes about their pesqueeturs to their middle aged dads. And this is supposed to be an average girl next door. And every random character being a hillbilly that fills all their idle chit chat with comments about fucking corpses and chickens doesn't work either.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    AMAZING ARTISTRY

    by pbwhite8824

    First and foremost, I am not a fan of Rob Zombie. I am a huge fan of the Michael Myers legacy and what the story and charecter stands for. My issues with the first film is the beat from scene to scene. I think the first half of the film is constructed very nicely and tells a great story ... the second half of the film , is what is really relevent in regards to the halloween story , Rob spent so much time focusing on the back story , he rushed the actual halloween night ... it was missing the idea of that stalking and had the opportunity to do some great music montages in regards to stalking scenes but he did not grab the opportunity. In this second film, he does what a sequal should do , he ties up all the loose ends. I think he tells a great story and provides some great gore and brutality ... its really refreshing. The psychological sequences with young michael and his mother were done just right, there is certain things that he may have went a little over board ... but i really enjoyed how he constructed these psychological sequences. I enjoyed the contrast of these charecters ... why laurie is the way she is... why annie is the way she is ... why the sharif is the way he is and what he turns out to be by the end of this film. He crafts and shapes lauries charecter in a way that gets the audience talking , at the end when she kills michael and she puts the mask on , and when she is being held down by these psychological thoughts ... in a way Rob Zombie could be telling the audience that michael could have been dead this whole time ... and laurie went crazy and embodied michaels madness and she comitted these awful acts ... she has nightmares about killing annie etc ... he leaves a lot to the imagination ... i think thats what I loved most about this film. I was expecting trash ... and I thought it was a work of art ... welcome back mr. zombie. now there were things i didnt like , some of the camera work was adolescent and weak ... the scene with dr. loomis and weird al didnt need to be in this film it took away from the story completly ...I also think Dr. Loomis's charecter was too extreme ... if you were going to have him go through a catharsis (sorry spelling) I think that moment should have been when Linda's father approached him at the book signing ... it makes more sense and gives time for the audience to see his charecter shift before the end of the film, rather then right at the end ... him changing his charecter. I am going to have to see this again no doubt because there are levels to this film that should be looked at closely ... I appreciated this film for its artistry and creativity. THIS iS MY OPINION ... knock it if you want thats fine... but remakes suck no matter what because directors and writers bite off quotes and charecters from the original that were inovative the first time around where in a remake we see these things come off as 'corny' ...Zombie does something that these directors do not do ... remake of a film is a re-imagination/re-telling of an original/classical idea ..these other directors and writers are not doing that ...Rob Zombie creates a new story, new stakes and a new imagination of a classical story and charecters ... its original and refreshing.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Infuriating Blob news aside...

    by rock_n_roll_jesus

    I will go see this. I like Rob Zombie. I am a fan. He's like Mcdonalds. Every now and then you gotta hit the drive-thru.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Zombie is to cinema what Joe Montana is to cinema.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Sure didn't see this coming...

    by Darth Mulder

    Another internet fanboy critic hates this movie. Who would've thunk it?

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Dark & black as shit!!!!

    by bosskmr

    How the fuck can anyone review a movie that you could only see 25% of the fucking movie!!!! This movie was so fucking dark you could see shit!!! Everyone here is talking about all the gore....how the fuck did you see gore when it was sooooo fucking dark. Did my theater just have a bad film print? The still pics on line look great you could see everything. Even the few daytime scenes looked like shit

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    by fanaticon2007

    You may have had a bad print or something. It wasn't that dark.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    These guys like G.I. JOE - what can you expect?

    by fanaticon2007

    AICN has been bad mouthing the sequel since its inception and has not given it a fair shake since then. How can we take you guys seriously when you support G.I. JOE????? G.I.JOE was Hollywood crap. When you take years of established mythology between the comic books, toys and cartoons and turn out sort of crap. It's ridiculous. But then you trash HALLOWEEN II as if it's the downfall of cinema.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Thanks for noticing :)

    by fanaticon2007

    I'm fucking with you. I would just like to read that people have acutal reasons for hating a flick. To write it off as shit is silly. I grew up on G.I. JOE and I can give you an entire list of why that movie stinked. The guys at AICN are pissed off fanboys who could only hope to make films someday. Just because one of them wrote some MASTERS OF HORROR episodes don't make them better than Zombie. Shit, both CIGERETTE BURNS and PRO-LIFE were the weaker episodes of the series.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Loved the First Zombie HALLOWEEN, Liked the Second

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I'm going to swear up and down I'm not just being a contrarian, but I enjoyed both of these movies. Just so you all know, my crowd at the screening I attended turned on the movie viciously, too, right at the dream sequence ending where Laurie wakes up - "What the fuck?" "What's going on?" "FUCK YOU!" And the hate raged on for two hours and I had to ignore them all to try to pay attention to what was happening onscreen. I agree, too, that the Lords of Halloween scene was awesome, and I wished the movie had had more of that, despite thinking Daeg Faerch was a lot better than Chase Vanek. Daeg added a lot of nuance and little half-seen moments that were veiled, even as you could tell the kid was doing more with his scenes than first seems. You watch the "Michael Lives" documentary, you REALLY see that kid getting into his character. Likewise, though, while I wasn't jumping up and down with enthusiasm the way I was for the first movie, I did enjoy this one, especially considering how creative and inventive it was, and how it was so stylistically Other from the first. I like Zombie's movies, and I think it's a shame that people yell and scream that they'd like to see different ideas and things in their sequels, but when someone actually tries something different - and mostly succeeds, IMO - they get yelled down because people really do want nothing but remakes of the exact same movies they love over and over. I won't be rushing out for the Blu-Ray like I did with the first HALLOWEEN, which is a cherished movie to me, but I will get it when it's on-sale.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    the talk show...

    by PJoseph

    SPOILER (although it's been mentioned in other talkback without spoiler warning and it's not really a spoiler because it won't spoil the movie for anyone) My question is this - the small town of Haddonfield has a local talk show that books such guests on as a Weird Al and a doctor that writes a book about gruesome murders? First of all, from a talkshow standpoint, that's just bad producing. Unless someone couldn't make it at the last minute. (Guy from G4 did a good job though in the scene) However, most small towns don't have their own late night talk shows - and if they do, they don't look like that. They look like cable access crap. Plus, what the hell time did Loomis tape it, and then get back to his hotel to watch it? So, if it's a national talk show, wtf is it doing being produced in Haddonfield? Hey, Oprah's doing a special from Haddonfield! These are the questions that keep me up at night.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    PJ - Easy

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    It's a local show like PM Magazine. Loomis is in town for a book tour. Weird Al is giving a concert. Simple. Think of those horribly-annoying "newsmagazine" shows about "local goings-on" as the model - not a talk show like Oprah. "Then, after we're done with Dr. Loomis and Weird Al, we'll show you a local man who makes art ... out of SPAGHETTI!"

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Because people enjoyed it

    by fanaticon2007

    I had alot of issues with the sequel. Made it known here already. But the fact is, Redhorse. Many enjoyed the first Zombie Halloween. I was one of them. You have not been able to give any reasons why you didn't like the original. Give me a few, intelligent reasons why the first didn't work for you? The remake would have been remade with or with Zombie. He saw a chance to tell the story his way and it did work. Would you rather have a shot for shot remake like PSYCHO? Come one, tell me, what would you have done differently.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    without I mean

    by fanaticon2007

    With or without I meant to say. But really, give me a real critique.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    The problem with reviews here...

    by fanaticon2007

    are that AICN will always be watching out for its own interests. They have been rubbing shoulders with the big boys so long they haven't the ability to be objective any longer. The people posting reviews on here are pissed off wanna be filmmakers who still haven't got a chance or break. They own the very movies they bitch about during its theatrical run.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Zombie's Just Probably Out Of Good Ideas.

    by Urall Luzers

    Hard to believe, but I guess he blew his wad on his first two flicks. Oh well.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    re : ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by PJoseph

    "It's a local show like PM Magazine." Eh, I can buy that. However, Haddonfield doesn't seem like a town that would even have the studio to run a local show like that (after working at several TV stations, I can attest to that) But maybe it was in the neighboring Russelville. After all, that's where Eddie Lee was.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The Wire.

    by Stan Grossman

    Quite frankly the greatest work of fiction/non-fiction to ever be commited to page or picture. That is not hyperbole. FYI

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Fuck Hallowe'en 2

    by Denty420

    I'd rather watch my dog have a shit on the road.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    H2 is pretty badass

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    I don't know what you drivelling idiots are talking about but Rob Zombie injected the Halloween franchise with some much needed fast-moving gruesomeness. Zombie's Michael Meyers is a hulking mass of fuck-you-up.</p><p>What's all this shit about no creative kills? First of all, go back and watch the first Halloween again. Mike strangles someone, then spends the rest of the movie stabbing people. Was this franchise founded on "creative kills"? But even so Zombie brings the grue to a new level in H2. A tguy gets his head stomped into fucking mush, a chick gets her face smashed REPEATEDLY into a mirror until she looks like a fucked up fresh roadkill, a guy gets fucking Al Qaida'd with a shard of glass, etc.</p><p>I thought the freaky dream stuff added a whole other dimension to the franchise. Sort of a "z plane" into the mind of Michael Meyers. Think American Werewolf in London and you'll get the idea.</p><p>One thing that needs to be mentioned is that Sout Taylor Compton comes into her own here. In the first movie I thought maybe she just screamed convinceingly, but in H2 she really gets a chance to act and she does a great job. All the acting is really good, notoably by Brad Dourif.</p><p>I think it's cool that Dr. Loomis is a total douchebag. It's not quite comic relief, but his douchiness is amusing and is a nice counterweight to the dark tale.</p><p>Ok, nobody applauded at the end, but nobody was shouting shit either. Other than a couple of "oh damn!"'s when Michael did what he does best. I think Zombie definitely outdid the first film. Just so you know, despite several problems (particularly the first abysmal 10 minutes)I liked the first one overall.</p><p>I also didn't notice any weird takes or strange dialogue like I did with the first one.</p><p>Zombie definitely has a taste for this type of storytelling. I see him improving in a broad sense. he did some interesting juxtaposition in the editing of this film that ramped up both the irony and gruesomeness of some of the brutality.</p><p>One thing I don't want to forget to mention is that there is a scene that stood out. That was the death of a character. It actually provoked emotion. That doesn't happen in slasher films HARDLY EVER! so give the man some fucking credit!</p>

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    WHO IS HIS DP?

    by therealjackburton

    I watched it, and it was as bad as I expected. What's strange is, regarding the murders. They are a lot more bloody, intense, and violent than anything in Inglourious Basterds, yet Tarantino has gotten tons of shit for the amount of violence in his movie from the critics. I don't get it. What is perfectly clear however, is that Rob Zombie is a shitty director. He's a bad director, and a worse writer. Also, I'm pretty much convinced that a chimpanzee is his director of photography.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Real people DO say "fuck"

    by CaptainAxis

    A lot. Especially when they are in mortal danger. I missed the first few minutes and came into the movie when the ambulance driver was pleading for help with the repeated "fucks" and I thought that was pretty visceral and powerful. What else would you be saying/screaming in that situation? I, and many others, bust out the F-bombs for far less. Makes sense to me that it's all he could muster up. I don't get the criticism for that. Same with Laurie and her friends - teenagers have filthy fucking mouths, ESPECIALLY girls. I don't know where you live but I hear that kind of shit on the bus and on the street pretty often. Teenagers are rather unpleasant creatures, but too many of you are used to "movie teenagers" who act nothing like real teens.<br> <br> The dream shit is pretty weird and I wasn't sure where that was going, but I thought the ending was a nice setup for another sequel with the potential to be truly original. Zombie isn't afraid to embrace the grue and grime of violence, so much different from horror films where the violence is safe and acceptable. Anybody complaining about Myers looking like a hobo, having long hair and a beard, carrying a bag with him, etc. is an idiot - sorry. I always wondered in the sequels how Michael stayed so well groomed. Can you imagine him shaving or going to the barber's for a haircut? As for "carrying a sleeping bag" (if that's what it was) he is a real person, he needs to sleep. He obviously has to travel somehow, so he walks. OH MY GOD! Should Zombie have had him driving a car like Carpenter did? I'd still love to hear one of the Zombie haters on here put forth some of their ideas of how they would have handled a Halloween remake/sequel.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKTARDS

    by Androidvirus

    Good to see you took the high road and reviewed this from objective perspective. So called horror "fans" tore this movie down before even seeing a clip. Its a dark, depressing relentless film . Is it a perfect film? No. I cant tell you the last flawless movie I saw. People are gonna bitch no matter what. The problem is the " fans" are the first one's to turn thier back on you and tear you down when you make a peice of art THEY DONT LIKE. Seems a little bit elitist to me, its horror we should stand solid and support it. This is Zombies image his vision not yours. So go make your own and good luck on making somthing better than 4,5,6 or 7. Zombie got paid to do a job and express his artistic talent. He did so Why tear him down for that? It seems the so called "fans" want the Blair Witch aproach and Busta Rhymes Kung Foo kickin Michaels ass aproach. If you want it keep it. I'll take Mr Zombies vision any day over that other hack BS.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Lol, we found the one defender!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    RedHorseVector

    by CaptainAxis

    The reason I always throw out the "What would you have done?" question is because I'd honestly like to know what the critics would rather see. I think most would have preferred a Platinum Dunes style remake that basically copies the original beat-for-beat with modern effects, but they don't want to admit that because it makes them look like hypocrites for demanding more originality in the inevitable remakes. Zombie put his own spin on Halloween and gave us something strange and original for the franchise - nobody can accuse Zombie of following a formula with this one.<br> <br> Halloween didn't have to be remade, but it was going to be remade regardless, just as they kept pumping out shitty sequel after shitty sequel. As far as I know, Zombie was offered the Halloween remake after the surprising success of The Devil's Rejects with critics and box office. Think of it like this - if your boss offered you a big important project, would you tell him to go fuck himself? No, you wouldn't, unless you hated your job. I'd much rather Zombie do his own original films, as I easily rate TDR and House of 1000 Corpses over his two Halloweens, but he made Halloween fresh and interesting. Busta Rhymes killed the original Michael Myers in Resurrection and made him even more of a parody than he already was. Zombie actually made him scary again, and any jackass who says the new Myers isn't scary is absolutely full of shit.<br> <br> It's difficult to describe what appeals to me about Zombie's films - they're stylized, yet still extremely realistic. I was disappointed with the soundtrack, as that's usually Zombie's forte, but the violence is just so gruesome and grimy and visceral. Not in an enjoyable or entertaining way, which is why I think a lot of old-school slasher fans don't like his movies and that's what I like about his approach - violence shouldn't be enjoyable or entertaining. It should make you squirm and feel uncomfortable, dirty and filthy. Zombie always does this in spades.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    My idea for a Halloween remake

    by CaptainAxis

    Just to show I'm not just trying to be a dick with the "How would you have done it?" question, I'm reposting my idea from a previous H2 talkback. Maybe it sucks, maybe it doesn't, but at least I'm putting my ideas out there instead of just pointlessly bitching. Feel free to post yours.<br> <br> I think Zombie was on the right track with the origins and motivations of young Michael, but my approach would have kept the facade of the Myers clan being the typical suburban family, as we saw in the opening of the original. Dad as a big office executive and successful businessman, a "pillar of the community" type. Mom would be a trophy wife who appears to adore her children. Judith attends an elite Catholic/private school, where she is the perfectly pious student adored by her teachers. However, behind closed doors it's a completely different story. Dad is a closet drunk who emotionally and physically abuses his family after work, especially little Mikey; Mom projects all her fears and insecurities onto little Mikey when she's not ignoring her kids in favor of her social circle; and Judith is secretly a slutty gold-digger who has "sugar daddies" who can do something for her in exchange for some jailbait. This would be a good metaphor for the literal masks that Michael eventually adopts; his whole family wear masks of their own in terms of how they present themselves outside the home. Eventually he begins to withdraw until he finally snaps and slaughters his family, except for the baby sister who was resented by the others, just like Michael. 15 years later, a still-silent Michael somehow finds out that the teenage Laurie has gone down the wrong path and escapes from Smith's Grove with the intent to kill Laurie because she turned out just like the others. Alternatively, he could find out that Laurie had the perfect life with her adoptive family and he pursues her out of jealousy.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Androidvirus, FUCK YOU RETARD, THIS WAS LOW GRADE TRASH....

    by CarlThorMark1978

    1978’s Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing, The Fly and The Blob are all examples of Directors not only remaking movies but, arguably, making them superior to the originals. I’m not even a fan of the original Halloween but I recognize why people like it, so what exactly did Mr. Cummings do that improved upon Carpenter’s movie? NOTHING, that’s what! This hillbilly poser spun it through his coke addled brain and splooged out a piece of shit that was just a collection of the fucking morons superficial obsessions with redneck (lack of) culture and the 70’s.<br> <br>He keeps casting his fucking wife when she is a fucking terrible actor. His characters are all obnoxious loudmouths who do nothing but shout and swear ALL. THE. TIME! Is it “elitist” to expect good writing, performances and Direction? Or is it that a bunch of braindead fanboys have no other defense of their hero’s piece of shit movie other then to call people “snobs” for wanting a bit more from an asshole who works with multi-million dollar budgets and has never worked outside the studio system like the little bitch that he is.<br> <br>Horror doesn’t have to be “art”. I fucking LOVE Blood Feast and Corpse Grinders for fucks sakes and those movies are about as incompetent as you can get but they still have a charm that Rob Zombie’s movies completely lack, not to mention that they are a Hell of a lot more entertaining because I can forgive a lot when I know those flicks were made by people who didn’t know what they were doing on a very low budget.<br> <br>Halloween 2 cost 18 million dollars and is Zombie’s fourth movie so what is his excuse for making such a fucking awful film?

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    THIS IS HALLOWEEN, NOT HENRY : PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER…..

    by CarlThorMark1978

    If Zombie wants to do a movie about the exploration of a serial killers mind then he should look for a good book to adapt. But this is Halloween and the character of Michael Meyers is not realistic, at all, never mind that for all of his bullshit of trying to give Michael a psychological profile, he completely fails by making him 7 feet tall and virtually indestructible. He wants it both ways by trying to make the movie “gritty” while overloading the movie stylistically.<br> <br>This isn’t even Halloween anymore, it’s a Friday the 13th/Chainsaw Massacre hybrid and Zombie’s mistake is that he is trying to run away from what Michael Meyers is and that is pure evil just in the same way he wants to make a Blob movie without a fucking Blob because he thinks that people wont be afraid of a “big red blobby thing”. It just shows how fucking ignorant he is that he casts a 7 foot tall giant to play Meyers and that’s because he doesn’t understand that it’s what Michael IS that is scary, not that he’s some hulking giant.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    CaptainAxis, THAT'S A GOOD TAKE ON A HALLOWEEN REMAKE....

    by CarlThorMark1978

    Make Meyers the physical representation and manifestation of the sickness hiding behind and underneath the white picket fence suburban Hell of America. Not THAT’s an idea that gets me excited! A good Director could have teased such a theme out of a Halloween remake but Zombie is a fucking tool too coked out of his head to come up with something as clever as that.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Got beat by The Final Destination

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    An 7 foot Michael Myers isn't scary???

    by fanaticon2007

    I've met Tyler Mane. Mutherfucker is scary. As far as THE FINAL DESTINATION beating H2. Its fucking 3-D. Many filmgoers eat that shit up sadly. If it was 2-D it would be bombing.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Like the first....

    by fanaticon2007

    the sides will be divided. Some will love it, some will hate it. I am on the side that disliked, however, I will defend the fact that Zombie is trying his best to make a good film in a market ruled by the all mighty dollar. I also would still perfer his vision over the hacks that churned out sequel after shitty sequel. I would rather see Zombie's version than Michael in a fucking throwdown with Busta Rhymes!

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN 3-D......

    by fanaticon2007

    will probably be the next to follow. Sadly.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Steve Miner..

    by fanaticon2007

    fucked up H20 like no tomorrow and had full creative control on that damn thing. The guy directed FRIDAY THE 13th 2, 3 and HOUSE (one of my faves). What happended there? I don't remember anyone trashing them for that turd.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Captain Axis!

    by PJoseph

    Love that idea of the backstory! Really nice. I hated Zombie's typical "hillbillly/white trash" story - it's too obvious. Yours is cool. I think you should make a fan film. And then you could have the Red Rabbit be the dad's favorite drinking spot - tie that in.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978 RE: THIS WAS LOW GRADE TRASH?

    by Androidvirus

    Isnt that why we love horror becasue it is lowgrade trash? You just name dropped 4 "low grade trash" movies. I love "grade trash" I grew up on "lowgrade trash". Does it matter what the budget was? H2 was not a remake so your whole argument about remakes holds no water at all. It was as stand alone Halloween movie just like all the one that came out after Carpenters original. By now we all know what to expect out of Zombies movies, Redneck rejects and foul mouthed Hillbillies. Big deal you dont like it dont watch it. Or are you just upset that Zombie took the Michael Meyers character in a direction "you" didnt personally like or agree with? Thus solidifying my "elitist" statement. Do you know Rob did you sell him coke. If so who give a flying fuck what he does in his personal life? I could care less.Just because you don't like it don't mean it isnt any good. Who are you to decide whether its not good for others to decide for themselves. You elitist douche bag your whats wrong with the horror industry today. Your fired as a horror fan go turn all your horror movies, books, posters and toys to the local good will. Im stripping you of your horror status as fan. By the way I didnt like RZ halloween I thought it had alot of potential. H2 was a tad better and I do believe I said it was not a perfect movie by any means. It had some great kills though.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    2 loser horror movies this weekend.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And another overrated Tarentino film. Yep, it must be August.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978, FUCK YOU RETARD!

    by fanaticon2007

    How's that feel? Jerk. Adn how dare you say BLOOD FEAST was made by someone who incompetent. The flick is classic. As far as everyone hating white trash/hillbilly horror. There was this one white trash flick. Fucking horrible. A whole family of them. Probably imbred. What was that thing called again? Oh, yeah, it was the fucking TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE! A classic!

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Pullled this from another site, check it out:

    by fanaticon2007

    *Spoilers* What the fuck do you people expect from a slasher flick? "Oh no he killed Loomis, Oh no I spent 10 mins watching a scene where Michael killed some rednecks by a truck, oh fuck the scene where he kills people ina strip club was unnecessary, OH NO HE LOOKS LIKE A BUM, this movie sucked cause they said the word fuck!!! ZOMG!!!"...ITS A SLASHER FILM! PEOPLE DIE IN THEM! Christ, did you all REALLY need to see Michael get a fresh new clean mask like he "stumbles upon" in 4? Have any of you even fuckin watched the original sequels? Can you honestly say that Resurrection was BETTER then this film? Or H20? Or the god awful part 6? None of these films had gore, none of them had any redeeming qualities, at all, what so ever. But I guess everyones tastes requires top quality actors like Josh Hartnet and fucking Busta Rhymes right?

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    fanaticon2007, THE ORIGINAL MICHAEL MEYERS WASN'T 7 FEET TALL...

    by CarlThorMark1978

    That's because John Carpenter knew how to make a scary movie and had the skills to properly convey Meyers as a threat without casting some huge goon.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    fanaticon2007

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Also, the deaths in the original Hallween and even Friday the 13th were mostly done off screen. Hardly any blood at all. They also had few characters in the movie so you could relate to them as the movie went on. They didn't just introduce people to get killed.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I agree the Carpenter film is the best.....

    by fanaticon2007

    I love Carpenter and his films, at least until garbage like VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (talk about an uneeded remake). He cast a friend of his (Nick Castle) to play The Shape (the script describes him as the shape for a reason), namely because he was there. Carpenter's film is a brilliant piece of work, yes. But much of it came from what he had to work with it. Keep in mind that it his production people found the now famous William Shatner mask, not Carpenter. Not to mention the film didn't work without his score music. He even admitted this. Debra Hill and the late Bob Clark had much to do with the success of HALLOWEEN. You can't take away that Debra Hill laid alot of the screenplay's groundwork and the idea itself, a masked killer, was suggested to Carpenter by Mr. Clark as a potential sequel to BLACK CHRISTMAS. And, by the way, I dare you to go up to Tyler and call him a goon.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Thanks

    by CaptainAxis

    Wow, praise on a talkback?! Is it Christmas or something? I've thought of writing up my take on Michael's origins and trying to do something with it. Maybe I could sell it to the Akkads when they reboot the series again after one more Zombie Halloween featuring Angel/Laurie as the Shape, breaking out of Smith's Grove to struggle with her dueling personalities while continuing Michael's killing spree. In the climax, she is stopped by her actual birth father. I don't think it was specified in his first Halloween who Angel's birth father was, so that could make for an interesting twist.<br> <br> Facts: Carpenter's Halloween didn't need a sequel and wasn't intended to have one, but he wrote a subpar script and selected a subpar director to make it. Why does he get a free pass for "selling out" to studio pressure? After Halloween II, Carpenter's intention was for the franchise to be an anthology series of films based around the holiday of Halloween. So if it helps at all, think of Zombie's entries in this anthology context.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Halloween II (1981)

    by CaptainAxis

    Just reading up on the original "H2" and it seems that Carpenter was responsible for adding more blood and gore in post-production to keep up with the competition in the horror genre. Zombie's violence follows along the same lines over 25 years later. Carpenter also says "the killer in Halloween is sexually repressed" - those are his exact words in a 1982 Fangoria interview. Imagine the shit Zombie would have caught if he had focused on that aspect of the character: "THAT'S NOT WHAT MICHAEL MYERS IS ABOUT!!" would be the rallying cry, yet there it is in Carpenter's own words.<br> <br> Just sayin'!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    CaptainAxis - Well Said

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    This movie series under Zombie has been revived and refreshed. Now, I for one would love to see many other people take the Michael story and do it their own way, in their own vision, with their own tale. I really enjoyed both of these movies, and HALLOWEEN the first by Zombie is a favorite.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    CaptainAxis - Well Said

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    This movie series under Zombie has been revived and refreshed. Now, I for one would love to see many other people take the Michael story and do it their own way, in their own vision, with their own tale. I really enjoyed both of these movies, and HALLOWEEN the first by Zombie is a favorite.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    The funny thing about fans...

    by rock_n_roll_jesus

    ... is that they all want credit for making a movie/celebrity a success. The reality is that there are far more people who just go out to see a movie. Any movie. That's where the real money comes from. Fans are useless cunts who do nothing but bitch and moan. It's a fucking Rob Zombie movie!!! When you eat McDonalds do you bitch and moan that it wasn't on par with the last gourmet meal you had? "I'm an angry cunt who knows alot of shit about movies! GRRRRR! Fuck Michael Bay, Fuck Rob Zombie! Megan Fox has toethumbs! (and is still hotter than any girl you idiots will ever get within three feet of without paying for it.) Lighten the fuck up! ...Damn... Actually that felt good! You negative little cunts might be onto something...

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Fuckin A Rob Zombie

    by carraway

    If the studios keep writing you checks for this shit, you should laugh all the way to bank. By coopting remakes your bound to at least eek out a small profit from a dumbed down deomogrphic that never learns. Hell you even have defenders. Some may call you a truley shitty director. Me, I think your a brilliant Con Man.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Halloween 3: starring Sheri Moon Zombie in all roles

    by Mike_D

    seriously, he needs to stop being pussy whipped and casting his wife in every fuckin' movie he does. She incredibly annoying and its very weird.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    "Me, I think your a brilliant Con Man."

    by buggerbugger

    Zombie is the new Jesus and I, for one, do *not* want to see another two thousand years of (mostly) idiocy just because thought-free cretins will flock to him thanks to his penchant for taking good ideas from other people and remixing them into troglodyte-pleasing shit.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night... WTF?? Rob please quit making movies

    by snakeoil

    I should have read this review first and saved myself 8 bucks. WTF??? Rob Zombie is the new Uwe Boll!! In fact .... I think Boll would have made a better movie - sad as that sounds. The blob??? Seriously?? Let me guess... instead of a bowling alley it will climax in a trailer park?? Awww gawd... I am so extremely disappointed in this smoking pile of poop of a movie and what this guy did to the genre.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    On second thought.....

    by snakeoil

    I got to thinking, maybe he is just out of his element. He obviously is a great musician. He has neat camera work and a pretty different eye for setting up a scene. No I am not being sarcastic. I think he would be pretty decent at remakes such as A boy and his dog or maybe some post apocalyptic movie.. mad max or something. Rob if you are reading this you can send me 1 million for the suggestion and I am available to help you write better dialog.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    WTF?

    by ne32

    Yeah, some dude in front of me yelled "What the fuck?" right after the hospital scene. This movie wasn't even fucked up. It was just retarded. I wanted to see some Rob Zombie style violence. Instead, it was like watching a horrible sequel from the 80s. Its like I don't know whether I should laugh or walk out. At least the first one was a fan movie. It actually had plot development as he was growing up.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    F word count...

    by futurecop

    If you go to Screenit.com in a week or so you will be able to see how many times every swear is used. You can go to it now and check whatever older movies you want but it takes a week or two before people who don't wanna pay for a membership to see reviews and stuff.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie and friends troll AICN

    by reflecto

    When will you queefs learn that just mentioning "BUSTA RHYMES" is NOT AN EXCUSE FOR ROB ZOMBIE'S PISS-POOR, KINDERGARTEN-GRADE FILMMAKING?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie > Busta Rhymes

    by CaptainAxis

    Kinda hard for Zombie to "rape Michael Myers" when the previous sequels already did the job. THAT'S why we keep mentioning Busta Rhymes, although H20 was even more sacrilegious by wiping out the memory of Dr. Loomis and using a FUCKING SOUNDALIKE for a cheap-ass voiceover. I saw that shit in the theater and just about lost it. Resurrection just piled shit on top of more shit. Watch the fucking shitty sequels again before bitching about the awful things Zombie has done to the franchise. I'm a long-time Halloween fan and whatever Zombie has done with Halloween pales in comparison to the UTTER SHIT that took place from Part 5 through 8. Uninspired, bland, boring, stupid, GODDAMN HORSESHIT. Anybody who says otherwise is either clueless or willfully retarded. Sorry, but that's the facts, Jack. Where else could the franchise have gone? Carpenter's Myers would be over 50 years old. How dumb would that be to have him stalking and killing random teenagers at that age?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Still no comment on Carpenter's cashgrab?

    by CaptainAxis

    So Carpenter gets a free pass for the unnecessary and insipid Halloween II? You know, the sequel that he never intended to do but went ahead and did anyway? The one where he amped up the gore and violence solely to compete with the other slasher films on the market? The one where he shoehorned in the idea that Laurie was somehow Michael's little sister who was secretly adopted by the Strodes, thereby changing the whole context of his first film?<br> <br> Fucking geeks. Choke on your own contrarian hypocrisy.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    All the Halloween movies kinda suck

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Halloween 1 was decent, but the rest are awful trash.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I may be in the minority but....

    by SPKx

    I thought the film was an improvement from the last one (the original story helped). However, I was not sold on the ghost mom.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it...

    by Barrock

    It was very weird, but I still liked it. My problems were I wish he didn't have Michael grunt all the time, and I would have enjoyed more chase scenes. My favorite part was the guard shack. Probably the most tension of the entire movie.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie is a hack.

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    He is. Stop pretending that the man gives a shit, 'cause he don't. His movies are trash, but they're cheap and make money, so he's a busy little worker bee now.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Thank you, lockesbrokenleg . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . that's what I've been thinking while reading this talk back. How does anyone like any Halloween movie other than the original? Every sequel sucks. I'd watch that third one w/ no Myers and the evil mask company before I watched any of the others.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    And to just repeat what plenty others said . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . Zombie flat out didn't get what was going on w/ Grindhouse when he slapped together his shitty S.S. Werewomen trailer. Complete & utter failure. When they finally get the complete double feature on DVD, I hope a Zombie-Free version is available.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Nice Marmot yep, yep

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The Halloween and Friday 13ths Originals are the best ones. The sequels are really just remakes of them.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Werewolf Women of the SS trailer gets a pass

    by turketron_2

    Simply for NICHOLAS CAGE AS FU MAN CHU. Other than that it was the weakest of the fake trailers. Still better than Deathproof though.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    CaptainAxis, FUCK YOU, CARPENTER MADE DARKSTAR, HALLOWEEN AND...

    by CarlThorMark1978

    The fucking masterpiece that is his remake of The Thing. All within his first ten years as a Director. So, yeah, I'll give him a pass for his "cashgrab" because he wasn't some fucking douchebag multimillionaire asshole who keeps remaking The Texas Chainsaw Massacre with every movie he does not to mention that Zombie is soo fucking incompetant that he can't even improve on Halloween which is a simplistic slasher film for fuck sakes. Eat shit.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    He's a talentless prick anyway. Does Brea get nekkid tho?

    by Brody77

    That's all that matters!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Beaten by Destination and Basterds.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Why does he keep getting work???

    by Violator90

    The only movie that should ANY kind of potental was DEVIL'S REJECTS, but now I just can't stand him! I thought I said he was a fan of horror movies?!?! I guess not, since he is butchering one of the all time great horror movies. Michael Myers became nothing more than a cry baby with issues, instead of "evil incarnate". Zombie stick to hillbilly heavy metal. GET OUT OF MOVIES!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Basterds fell too

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Will it even get to 100 mil before dropping out?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    From Fangoria.....

    by fanaticon2007

    There are those who wish to death that Quentin Tarantino would “evolve” and stop making films so laden with inspirations and homages, but to my mind, what they don’t understand is that he may not want that. He’s happy creating epic tales littered with homages to the things he loves, yet making them his own. Accordingly, there are those who would like Rob Zombie to step away from the world he often writes about, one chock full of rednecks and hillbillies and white trash—yet while those folks are definitely part of it, they’re only parts in a larger, darker, bleaker sum. Zombie isn’t writing for everyone who has an image or an idea of what Michael Myers and a HALLOWEEN movie should be; he’s writing for himself and adapting the concepts to his own warped outlook. Divisive will likely be an understatement regarding reactions to Zombie’s sequel to his similiarly very opinion-splitting HALLOWEEN. Many will spew venom before the previews even start, still aching from the previous film, which they considered a direct slight against them. You know what, though? HALLOWEEN II is not bad. In fact, it is quite good. It’s hard to swallow at points, but it’s a good film, and it’s entirely Zombie’s own. Much of the issues with the first film concerned the way Zombie’s new ideas clashed with his retreading of the original. From the opening scene of HALLOWEEN II, though, it’s clear we’re entrenched in his side of things now. The real meat of the film takes place a year after the night he came home. While a good chunk of the first third is devoted to a continuation of that fateful evening, echoing the hospital setting of the 1981 sequel, this elaborate setpiece eventually turns out to be a dream. This could be the first deal-breaker for many in the audience, but whether it’s a good choice or not, it’s an effective device to throw us into the chaos of Laurie’s mind, as well as a tense little section showcasing Zombie’s intentions with this flick: to make something nasty. Zombie’s Michael isn’t about wacky, creative kills, and he’s not the elusive Shape of the remake. He’s a brute force, something that stabs his victims a few too many times to the point where it goes from brutal to absurdly funny, but then back to unsettling. We then catch up with the surviving characters from the first film, all of whom have been changed and affected by what has befallen them. Laurie (Scout Taylor-Compton) is a mess, and seemingly bipolar. Michael dominates her dreams, and she’s caught in the midst of dealing with her parents’ deaths, while trying to play “family” along with Annie (Danielle Harris) and Sheriff Brackett (Brad Dourif). Dourif and Harris contribute excellent work here: Annie has settled down from the wild extrovert she once was, concerned now with Laurie and her father’s health. Harris plays the gentler side well, creating a truly sympathetic character worth caring about. Dourif is honestly quite heartbreaking, as he has taken on a load trying to care for both his daughter and the damaged Laurie, with no way around the black cloud coming back to haunt Haddonfield. Michael is an interesting beast this time out. We no longer see into his head via psychiatric evaluations with Loomis, but in a more surreal, dreamlike state, manifesting his obsession with the family support and love he craves and the significance All Hallows’ Eve plays in the proceedings. He’s on a journey, and probably the most ferocious he’s ever been. The surreal imagery on display is my favorite aspect of the sequel. While it may not carry much depth, Zombie’s eye is incredibly strong in these scenes (and throughout the whole movie, for that matter), and he creates some wonderful images amidst all the mayhem, most notably a memorably bizarre dinner-table scene. The two wild cards come in the way Zombie plays with the iconic characters of Laurie Strode and Dr. Samuel Loomis (Malcolm McDowell). I’m absolutely on board with Laurie suffering from possible mental illness, considering that all she’s been through, and what she ultimately finds out would have an immense impact on anyone. What I liked about Taylor-Compton’s portrayal of Laurie (and I believe this was on purpose, not bad acting) was that you never really buy her bad-girl act; it’s just a facade to hide the pain she’s feeling. Laurie is a teenager, a young girl who, even without the trauma she has been through, would go through some sort of “finding herself” phase. Add her specific experiences to the mix, and you get someone extremely confused and toying with all the different versions of how and who she should be. With Annie and Sheriff Brackett, she’s generally calm and subdued; with new friends Mya (Brea Grant) and Harley (Angela Trimbur), she’s out to prove she can party with the best of them; and alone, in her mind, she’s a disaster coming apart at the seems. Loomis, in all honesty, may not have been as necessary to bring back for this film, but McDowell is always such a welcome presence that his take on what happens when fame and egocentricity mix is entertaining enough to be welcome. HALLOWEEN II is definitely not perfect. While the film has a healthy running time, some of it feels rushed, or a tad thin. There are too many scenes showcasing Zombie’s colorful minor characters and cameos, and not enough time spent developing things like Laurie’s unstable state. He’s an undeniable talent, but like Michael Myers, he’s blunt. HALLOWEEN II is rooted in a jet-black reality, tense and chaotic, and withholds nothing. Every bit of blood and insanity is on display for the audience to deal with. This might be off-putting for some viewers, who find they are given very little relief and sympathy throughout. Nevertheless, I find it to be a solid if flawed film, and one of the most interesting entries in the franchise and Rob Zombie’s development as a director.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Also from Fangoria.com.....

    by fanaticon2007

    As everyone continues to trash both of Zombie's attempt to breath new life into the Halloween myth, let us not forget... 1. Initially Mr. Carpenter was laughed out of USC, as his peers thought Halloween to be nothing more than a disgusting piece of filth. 2. Upon Halloween's initial US release, the critics tore it apart. Only after eventually becoming an independent hit and the allowance of much time has Halloween become a classic. Last I checked, Zombie's take on Halloween is still too fresh to relegate it to the dust bin of movies nobody will ever remember or care about. Who knows what people will think 20 years from now. I do agree that Hollywood spends way too much time remaking films rather than rewarding originality. We all know its about the $$$ and that's it.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    How can you hate the guy??????

    by fanaticon2007

    Can you honestly fucking say that H20 ws better that his flicks????? H20 was a piece of garbage that basically said screw you fans of Part 4, 5 and 6. And even those films had issues.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    As far as Carpenter goes.....

    by fanaticon2007

    I'm a huge fan of his. It was his films that made me want to direct in the first place. But years later, you can see the problems with some of his work. And I'm sorry, DARK STAR is crap. HALLOWEEN was made great by a whole group of people. Carpenter was not the end all creative spark on that film. Debra Hill contributed to every film of his that she worked on. THE THING was not have been half of what it is if it weren't for Rob Bottin. Don't get me wrong. The fucker can direct. But you have to see the flaws in much of his work down the line.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    You may want to speak to the actors.....

    by fanaticon2007

    he's worked with. I've spoken to the likes of Bill Mosely, Sid Haig and others. They'll tell ya that the guy loves not only horror movies, but movies in general. It is incredible how many hacks have runied icons like Freddy, Jason, and lets not forget poor Pinhead and you guys want to act like he destroyed Michel Myers. Myers will always exist, at his best, in the original. The sequels and such are just fodder anyways, much like FRIDAY THE 13th the remake.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Halloween series not over!

    by Poloboy

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    COMING SOON:

    by fanaticon2007

    HALLOWEEN 3-D!!!! I fucking knew it. The Weinsteins suck! Now all you Zombie haters are like, "Hell, yeah, mutherfucker ain't doing number three.". Well, you know what, when you are watching a piece of crap like MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3-D and its good ole Michael Myers throwing shit at the camera, then you'll be pissed all over again. Get ready for far worse.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    The series if dead....

    by fanaticon2007

    as we know it. Has been since H20. Any sequel now will border are insanity since the films will be shooting off from the Zombie films. You would have to reboot again to make it work.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    (Let me try again) The series is dead....

    by fanaticon2007

    as we know it. Has been since H20. Any sequel now will border on insanity since the films will be shooting off from the Zombie films. You would have to reboot again to make it work.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Halloween series not over!

    by Poloboy

    I just read in the L.A Times that the Weinstein Company that financed Halloween 2, will be releasing in the summer of 2010, "Halloween 3D". No shit! Rob Zombie will NOT be back as director. According to the aritcle they want a director, "who has experience in horror, and has a different take on the franchise." This is the movie series that will not die!!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Weinsteins will probably hire......

    by fanaticon2007

    the team behind MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3-D. No self respecting director will get stuck doing a gimmick flick like that unless they do hack jobs for a living, done it already, or unless they get Carpenter to sign on with a huge fucking check.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Yep - Halloween 3D, sans Zombie.

    by JuanSanchez

    Gotta be a hit to Rob's ego. Probably knew it was coming and wanted to get the Blob announcement out there ahead of time to save face.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Stop monologuing, you dumb fucks.

    by reflecto

    Post after post after post to yourselves, all about defending RRROOOOOBBBBB and yet not talking about him. "Busta Rhymes! H20! LL Cool J! John Carpenter's cash grab! LET'S TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT ROB ZOMBIE'S SHITTY FILM!" FIRST OF ALL, "cash grab" or no, the original Halloween II wipes its ass with both of Zombie's films, not to mention all his other films. It had suspense, timing, pacing, character and an original aesthetic all Carpenter's own (by way of Rosenthal). Rob Zombie is the ultimate hack. His "aesthetic" is nothing more than a fucked-up, mix-and-match paint by numbers set of a thousand other filmmakers, with no understanding of what made their films work while his all suck. EVEN "H20" is a better film than Zombie's - it's not without its flaws, but it's concise and clean, with a focus on suspense and character over gore and shock value. People can piss and moan about Kevin Williamson and LL Cool J, but H20 was easily the best and truest Halloween since the first two. Even second-rate Halloween 4 is better than Zombie's films, which can be lumped in with that shitpile Halloween Resurrection, although Resurrection had one thing Zombie's films didn't - JAMIE LEE CURTIS. So keep on C&Ping the few paltry apologetic "good" reviews, keep on insulting us, keep on claiming we don't understand how much RRROOOOBBBB cares, keep on talking about EVERY FILM BUT HIS OWN - it won't change the fact that as far as the world is concerned, as far as the public is concerned, ROB ZOMBIE'S FILMS AIN'T WORTH SHIT AND HE DESTROYED THE HALLOWEEN FRANCHISE. Nothing you say here can change that. As the Joker said, you have nothing, NOTHING to threaten me with. NOTHING.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Juan, I'm skeptical

    by reflecto

    After the disaster of Rob's first Halloween, the Weinsteins said then that they would go find someone "very, very different" to direct if the franchise were to continue. Then Rob came back.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    reflecto - the difference this time is diminshing returns

    by JuanSanchez

    Zombie's first opened with $30 million, this one just $17 million. A third movie won't be profitable if trends continue, so they need a change. Patrick Lussier's My Bloody Valentine 3D made more worldwide than Zombie's first Halloween and he's worked with Bob and Harvey before, so my money's on him.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    BTW - way to go on not having the story yet, AICN.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I will keep trashing you...reflecto

    by fanaticon2007

    you fucking suck. H20 is a piece of shit. Its like a fucking sci-fi channel movie with harsh language.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Defending the original HALLOWEEN 2???

    by fanaticon2007

    Come one. It's enjoyable, but still a lousy sequel. Carpenter came up with the idea out of desperation. He ripped off the finale of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK in order to do something "shocking" in HALLOWEEN II.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Crapping things about H20

    by fanaticon2007

    1. The fucking plot 2. The horrible orchestral verion of the classic theme 3. The shitty voiceover of a guy trying his best to sound like Donald. 4. LL COOL J 5. JOSH HARNETT 6. THE MASK THAT CHANGES FROM SCENE TO SCENE, even with a CGI version. 7. THE SCORE (let's get the guy who did SCREAM throw in a few bits) 8. LL COOL J 9. The Ending 10. And oh yeah, LL COOL J. What the hell?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN box office

    by fanaticon2007

    Zombie first HALLOWEEN film did not have to stand up against a fucking 3-D gimick film. Tell me MY BLOODY VALENTINE would have been a success if it weren't for it being in 3-D.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    The reason people are defending Zombie

    by fanaticon2007

    is quite simple, Reflecto, you ass, is that you are trashing the man without warrant. To say that the sequels to the original film are some how classic and in some way continue the legacy of HALLOWEEN on a legtimate level is bullshit. Again, I did not like the new Zombie sequel. I'll say that again. He really let me and lot fans down on some level. However, that doesn't mean I am gonna tear the man down and make it seem like he destroyed the series. The flicks have been fucked for a long time. And again, when 3-D hits the screens, you'll be bitching about that one too. Oooohhh, maybe we should get Steve Miner back.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Deal making in Hollywood....

    by fanaticon2007

    Zombie more than likely did the second HALLOWEEN in order to secure the financing for TYRANNOSAURS REX with the Weinsteins. The two bit fucks they are probably pulled back on the promise too. Wes Craven only agreed to do SCREAM 3 if the same studio produced an "important" film with him as director, being MUSIC FROM THE HEART. At least Zombie still made a film that he can describe as "his".

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Red Horse Vector's comments

    by dvdbob

    Nobody held a gun to Zombie's head and forced him to make either H1 or H2. He chose to make these films and it's his name, for better or worse, that's attached to them.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    CARPENTER'S MOVIES CANNOT BE REMADE!

    by darthwaz1

    he's a master- he has STYLE, these shitty remakes have no style, I just made the mistake of watching the piece of fuck Last House remake..

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    No they didn't......

    by fanaticon2007

    But you cannot deny the films are his and do have his identity on them as a filmmaker. Which is what a director is supposed to do!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Carpenter was a master.....

    by fanaticon2007

    he is going through the motions now. GHOSTS OF MARS is his Uwe Boll moment. That film is horrible.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Look at MASTERS OF HORROR....

    by fanaticon2007

    Carpenter's PRO-LIFE and CIGERETTE BURNS could have been directed by anyone. Nothing special.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Zombie has...

    by fanaticon2007

    and always will look at these films as exactly that FILMS! He doesn't walk in like these other sequel hacks, "K, we'll keep this person, kill that one, let's do the same movie all over again."

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Proof Carpenter has fallen:

    by fanaticon2007

    VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED BODY BAGS GHOSTS OF MARS

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Zombie's HALLOWEEN.....

    by fanaticon2007

    grossed more box office than other single HALLOWEEN film/sequel. You cannot deny that.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    reflecto, HEY, I LOVE HALLOWEEN 4!!! I THINK IT'S A GREAT SEQUEL

    by CarlThorMark1978

    Nothing innovative but the writing, acting and Direction are very, very solid and better then anything Zombie has done.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Carpenter to Zombie before the first film...

    by fanaticon2007

    John Carpenter gave the following advice to Zombie on the making of the new film. "Go for it, Rob. Make it your own". And that is what he did.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    One more thing on H20....

    by fanaticon2007

    What the fuck was Michael grabbing at his head when Laurie wakes him after being pinned to the tree. FUCKING STUPID!

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Dimension is too blame..............

    by fanaticon2007

    for how bad sequels became. At least with 4 and 5, Akkad still had an independent control of it all. Once Dimension got involved it became fucking fast food.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    spam-posting with Zombie's dick in your mouth

    by reflecto

    15 or 16 posts without responses in under an hour, fanaticon. Impressive. Most impressive. Pity you have nothing to say. Zombie's films suck. Get over it. You can post 30 replies to yourself in ten minutes and it won't change that.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    CarlThor, I agree on H4

    by reflecto

    It's far better than Zombie's films, and I do like it. Even Halloween 5 with its clown cops is better than Zombie's films, thanks to the presence of Pleasence, Cornell and Harris. But it's still second rate compared to the first two.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Hey, Reflecto...

    by fanaticon2007

    When you are done jerking off to Danielle Harris (when she was a kid) you let me know. In fact, your parents should be putting you in bed anytime.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to interrupt your press tour, fanaticon

    by reflecto

    Nothing screams "cinematic success" like a grunge metal fanboy 15 years behind the times, spamming an Internet forum about yet another failed horror picture made by his musical god, who hasn't made anything good in almost twenty years.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Halloween 5 is fucking shit

    by ThePilgrim

    Michael myers is bested by a little girl. He a robot in that film and his mask looks retarded. He looks like he shit himself. I didn't care for it in 1988 and I sure as fuck don't care for it now. Part 5 takes the cake on stupid.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Wrong on counts.....

    by fanaticon2007

    Never been a huge fan of his music. But I can recognize when someone is trying to create a body of work. You on the other hand, like many of the fanboys on here proceed to go on and on how HALLOWEEN 5 is classic. Once more, look at the box office numbers and see where the shitty sequels fell, then look at the remakes. Can't deny it. Speaking of taking a dick out of someone's mouth. Are you Harry's wife?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    The Last Starfighter guy is in Carpenter's Halloween II

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Dana Carvey is also in it as a paramedic. Halloween 2 did have a nice sex scene in a hot tub.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Please indicate where I said H5 was good

    by reflecto

    as opposed to merely better than Rob Zombie's work. It's all crap, except 5 is slightly less crap. And of course, Zombie and his decreasing box office don't quite tell the whole story, now do they, otherwise we could also say that Transformers 2 is a better film than Carpenter's Halloween. I had no idea you were such a fan of Revenge Of The Fallen, fanaticon! See how that works? Now that we've smacked your cheap little non-debate device out of your candy-grubbing paws, maybe you can explain to me also how I side with Harry since I've taken him to task on review after review for several years. Oh, that's right, you can't back that up, either, can you. All you've got is baseless insults for me, for other fans, for John Carpenter, for anyone who is not Rob Zombie. You claim to be in it for "independent, free-thinking filmmakers like Rob Zombie, who don't rely on box office and cheap studio execs," then you start quoting box office receipts to me to prove there is anything of merit in this stinking septic tank of a film. You're a hypocrite like your idol, who first claimed he'd never do a shitty remake, then claimed he'd never do a shitty sequel, then claimed he was done with shitty remakes, and now he's making The Blob, and why? Because no one else wants to take a bath financing Rob's latest supposedly "original work" like that filmic opus "House Of 1,000 Corpses" which even hardcore genre fans hated. He's a corporate whore licking boot for the bottom line, just like all the other people you accuse us of enjoying instead just because we recognize Zombie's work as shit when we see it. Now why don't you, Rob Zombie, Sherri Moon, Daeg Ferch and his insulin kit, and of course the "body of work" (paging Andrew Sarris!) take your seats in the back of the fucking bus where you belong. Right next to Bob Weinstein's junk. Except it looks like someone's beaten you to that spot, fanaticon...someone with stringy hair, and a finger on the zeitgeist of 1995...

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Ghosts of Mars is better than anything Boll has ever made.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Not gonna lie, the first time I saw Ghosts I fell asleep

    by reflecto

    The second time, however, I actually quite enjoyed it. It's unbelievably cheap and looks like a SyFy picture, Ice Cube is bad, but as an ultracheap John Carpenter knockoff, it's a fun, half-decent film. The only problem is John Carpenter made it, not some knockoff. But I do like it, huge flaws and all.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    13 Ghosts was on MTV last night

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Monk was in it.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Reflecto

    by fanaticon2007

    Insults for only you.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    John Carpenter's best

    by fanaticon2007

    1. HALLOWEEN 2. ASSUALT ON PRECINT 13 3. ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK 4. THE THING 5. THE FOG 6. THEY LIVE 7. PRINCE OF DARKNESS

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    CaptainAxis RE: Carpenter

    by Rob0729

    I give Carpenter a bit of a free pass on Halloween 2 for two reasons: First, he admits he pulled the Laurie being Michael's sister out of his ass in a drunken allnigher. Second, he didn't direct Halloween 2. He might have been able to pull it off better than Rick Rosenthal did. A great director can make crap work.<br><br> Besides, even with its flaws, I like the 1981 Halloween 2 better than Zombie's original. I haven't seen the sequel and probably won't until DVD or cable. I will reserve judgement on that movie until I see it, but I don't have high hopes.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    fanaticon2007

    by Rob0729

    Fangoria is wrong about the critics panning the original Halloween. Both Siskel and Ebert gave it a good review and even did a special back in the early 80s about slasher movies and used it as the standard:<br><br> http://tiny.cc/iQedD

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert's 1979 review of the original Halloween

    by Rob0729

    http://tiny.cc/WiADd

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Siskel & Ebert yes.....

    by fanaticon2007

    Many other critics hated the film. It's success came from word of mouth.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Siskel & Ebert in the late 70s.....

    by Rob0729

    were the gold standard of film reviews. It was before the internet and a billion entertainment shows and networks. If they liked your movie, it was pretty much the only review you needed. Besides, if they both liked it, it is doubtful that no other reviewers liked the movie. I'm sure there was a large chunk of reviewers who did. Some reviewers are going to hate the genre no matter how good the movie is.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    by fanaticon2007

    HALLOWEEN II (2009) Written, produced and directed by Rob Zombie The last time we saw Michael Myers in 2007, he wasn't faring too well. He was on his back, taking rounds from a high caliber weapon, at point blank range. From his long lost sister to boot. So ended Rob Zombie's version of the classic John Carpenter film. Two years passed with other filmmakers coming in and out of the proposed sequel. Dimension and producer Malek Akkad were able to lure Zombie back. Why did he return? No one is quite sure right now. A paycheck? Maybe. The chance to continue the characters? Could be. Regardless, the musician turned director returned for another outing. I just viewed the film today myself. The following analysis of the film is not filled with hatred and foul mouthed words pointed at the director. it is an attempt to look at the film as its own entity, for both its sucessful and flawed moments. The film begins with a flashback of Michael's time in the sanitarium that we never saw in the original. Michael's mother gives the gift of a toy. A white horse. Michael talks about his dreams of the same horse. It's a cheat of sorts. If this was so damned important, why did we not see it in the original? It also creates a problem with the films bookending each other in many respects. The first film is meant to be grounded in the realism of such a killer existing. It was never meant to delve into the sequels' supernatural elements. It is not that I feel the element of the horse, etc doen't work. But I do feel it is violating his own mythology. A slam cut of the title card and then: Laurie has "killed" Michael Myers and is stumbling through the streets of Haddonfield, Illnois. The shooting location has moved to Georgia, which pays off quite well. The quiet, old school feel of an american town is everywhere. That, with the inclusion of a torrential rain, adds an amtopshere not present in the first film. Zombie is already attempting to push himself as a director to visually change the mood of the first film. Sheriff Brackett is re-introduced as he discovers the near catatonic Laurie as she utters about killing the boogeyman. The sheriff's department and EMTs find both Loomis and Annie and rush them to the hospital. Michael's body is found and loaded on a van for transport to the local hospital morgue. In a scene which echoes moments from earlier HALLOWEEN films, the van crashes and Michael escapes. He has a vision of the very dream he discusses with this mother in the pre-title sequence. The lengthy hospital sequence that follows is Zombie's way of paying homage to the Carpenter produced HALLOWEEN 2 from the 80's, as well as showing the results of the night at hand. Truly, much of this is the core of the sequel. And an element that I wished he could have focused on more. We see the aftermath of horror and violence. This rewrites the general "rules" of the slasher film. And, to me, it is welcomed. We always see heroines in slasher films flee the killer and do the whole routine of trying to live throughout the running time. Here we see the mental and physical collateral damage from the massacre. It follows all the characters who endure the terror that night. One year later Laurie finds herself still burdened by nightmares of Michael and the night he came home. She is now living with Sheriff Brackett and daughter Annie. Much needs to be said about Danielle Harris' performance of Annie this time out. Throughout the film we never see her leave the house, go to a job or anything of the like. As tough as she may seem to come off, I felt that she wasn't holding it together as well as Laurie - who at least has employment at a local coffee shop. Brackett is attempting to hold what is left of his family together. Dourif pulls it off well. Laurie is the next hurdle the film has to overcome. Scout Compton attempts to usher in Zombie's "new" Laurie with edge and attitude. This is where I think Zombie made a mistake. I know he was trying go for a level of realism where an extreme action will result in an exteme reaction. But her going from girl next door to goth/punk rock chic is too much. I never fealt her truly trying to piece her life together. Loomis is the second character that I wished hadn't acted out the way he did. I understand that even in the original Zombie wanted to create a Loomis well removed from the Ahab-like Donald Plesence version. Which is understandable. He created a Sam Loomis who only thinks of himself and his "feelings" in regards to caring for Michael. He walks away and writes a book on the subject. By the end of the film I really liked that Loomis was now being forced to deal with the monster, that in many respects, he created the day he walked away. But in the sequel, we are back at square one. In fact, he's an even bigger asshole than the first film. Which doesn't seem to make any sense, considering he nearly died at the hands of his monster. Finally we have the man of the hour. Michael Myers. For the last year he has spent pulling a "Kung Fu" and he's been walking the Earth and presumably taking out a victim from time to time. Much like his stay in the hospital, he keeps waiting for his time. And one year later, he starts back towards Haddonfield. Zombie's new image of the famous psychopath changes once more. Once again, in line with the rest of film, upping the visuals to a new level. Michael is dressed in large overcoat, looking a homeless man. His beard has grown out long. His visions of his mother and a younger version of himself beckon him home. Along the way he kills some hillbilly farmers, eats their dog and visits his mother's former employer at the "Rabbit In Red" strip club. The new Myers imagery works as well as any of the other versions of the killer in previous sequels. Two pivitol moments take place before the final act of the film. The first being with Loomis at this most recent book signing. A man offers a book to be autographed. Upon opening it, Loomis finds a photo of Linda from the original film. Loomis is confused. The man turns out to be Linda's father who threatens Loomis with a gun. This is territory that Zombie borrows from John Carpenter and co-writer Debra Hill in their own HALLOWEEN sequel when Sheriff Brackett attacks Loomis for letting Michael out of the hospital. Pretty effective stuff. You do not expect the scene and for me it was another welcomed moment. The second crucial scene is where Laurie reads Loomis' newly released book and she discovers information that she is Michael Myer's sister. Once more, Scout attempts to make us feel the pain and confusion that Laurie is feeling. But it never quite pays off. This leads her to a night of partying with co-workers from the coffee shop. We head into the final act with Michael watching laurie and friends at a Halloween party. Or at least, that is all we can assume. He kills one of Laurie's promiscuous friends then heads off to the Brackett house, where a deputy has been put on site, much to the irritation of Annie. Michael appears at the house, killing the deputy in a tip of the hat to Carpenter's shape premise. He then sets his sights on the one that got away. Annie is preparing to take a bath. She closes the mirror to reveal Michael behind her. Her face is off hopelessness, doom and fear. It is truly a great moment. She is to be commended on her performance. We watch in slow motion as Annie tries to escape. We know she will not succeed. Laurie arrives home and finds her best friend dying. Scout at this point is finally back to the core of the Laurie character and is brilliant in the emotion shown at the slow death of Annie. From there we are back into HALLOWEEN chase mode as Laurie runs into the woods. Sheriff Brackett learns of a 911 call from his house. On arrival he sees his slain daughter and breaks down. It is a great scene for Dourif and it is well played. Brackett is broken down old man and now he has lost what he lived for the most. Loomis is brought back into the story in a very forced way. In his hotel room he sees a live news report indicating that Myers is alive and has taken Laurie hostage in an abandoned shack. The entire scene borders on being ridiculous. To believe events have moved that quickly is just silly. Loomis comes to the scene where, after a tussle with Sheriff Brackett, is told to leave the scene. Inside the shed we see Laurie being held down by young Michael, with Mother watching. She tells older Michael that it is time for them to come home. Laurie's death is more than likely the event that will make that happen. Loomis refuses to leave and makes it past the police barricade. He yells to Brackett that he needs to do this. He enters the shack. Laurie screams for help from Loomis, who in turn can only see Laurie on the ground by herself. Has she gone insane? The image of young Michael and Mother is only in her "head". Loomis tries to reach her, but its too late. Older Michael grabs Loomis and begins to slice him with a knife, eventually killing him. Michael holds up the dead body of Loomis like a ragdoll. From outside, one of Brackett's men sees a shot and fires at Michael. Michael is hit in the shoulder, drops Loomis and falls upon some sort of scrap metal, stabbing him through the chest. Laurie is suddenly freed. Michael is still alive. She comes to Michael, takes his knife and stabs him to death violently. Brackett and his men are about to enter the shack when the door opens. Laurie appears, much like a previous HALLOWEEN sequel, wearing the mask of Michael Myers. She kneels to the ground, pulls the mask off, and stares at it. The final scene of the film is Laurie in a mental hospital room. She sees Mother and the white horse. We are treated to a new version of the HALLOWEEN theme for the only time in the film. The last act of the film is the most unsatisfying. We never understand how Laurie and Michael can share this illness or the images of Mother. I can see where Zombie was trying so hard to, like in his original, create something outside of the established HALLOWEEN universe. But it never quite comes together. Is the film worth viewing? Most definitely. I also think Zombie's sequel will be viewed more favorably in the future. Crafting Loomis and his motivations in a different direction, and creating a larger finale may have helped it out quite a bit. Another reboot for the franchise is probably the way to go with the series. Zombie has done what he wants with the characters and more than likely doesn't entertain the idea of returning. Somewhere a screenwriter or director needs to figure out a way to simply re-enter the HALLOWEEN universe at a point where nearly all the films can have some sense importance into the storyline. A major feat. Or, maybe its just to let the series end. But something tells me that HALLOWEEN fans like me won't settle for our favorite madman just fading away. Until then.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Ebert supported EVIL DEAD 2 :)

    by fanaticon2007

    That was truly great. To see a creditable critic enjoy EVIL DEAD 2 was a great shot in the arm for the genre at the time. He also loved RE-ANIMATOR.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    My favorite Carpenter movies

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Halloween, Escape from NY, Big Trouble/China, The Thing,

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by fanaticon2007

    I have friends who hate horror films and they eat up EVIL DEAD 2 like candy.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Really, I can't watch a frame of it. I think it sucks

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    I LOOOVED Rob Zombies Halloween (you're all wrong)

    by antialias

    I seriously loved the first Halloween remake from Rob Zombie - (and I didnt much like devils rejects or the other early 90's mtv rock video looking stuff he did) I will definately pay to see H2 at the cinema - and im betting i will love it too... Reasons RZ's 'Halloween' was awesome: It was the opposite of what the trend in horror films is these days. it wasnt a slick, new-looking 'date movie'. Thats what you all want. Because you're pansies. It was / is a dark, brutal, intense, violent, unpleasant experience. It is precisely what horror movies are supposed to be. It was a vicious, drawn-out sensory experience. I havent seen the new one but I liked the trailers. Like Texas Chainsaw (the original) a horror film is about the sound of a human being (usually a woman) being slaughtered over a period of 120 minutes or so. Its a sensory experience for your brain, its not supposed to be 'fun' or 'nice', its supposed to confront your voyeurism. Its supposed to reflect the sickness in our society, and I think (completely unexpectedly because i didnt like his first movies) Mr Zombie captures this aesthetic to a genre which nobody seems to understand anymore - esp those calling themselves fans.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    fanaction is rob zombie

    by phoenixmagida5th

    Trying to defend his shitty movie and to that dickhead '007' get your facts straight terminator 2 was not a rush job nor did it come out 9 months after the first film. How old are you? Terminator came out in 1984 and and terminator 2 cameout in 1991. What a dipshit.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Why is it all the negative comments sound like...

    by antialias

    Why is it all the negative comments sound like they are coming from the same retarded 12 year old on his moms internet... And the positive feedbackers for this film are leaving reasonably intelligent & well written comments..? seriously - go back and read through the comments - all the people who hated it are little angry foul-mouthed retards... I wonder why

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Agreed, antialias

    by fanaticon2007

    By the way. I am not Rob Zombie. I think I would be too busy MAKING MOVIES and not take heat from a bunch of jerks. And if I were, why would I post a review that I wrote where I critque HALLOWEEN II, in some cases with a negative point of view.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOIN HERE WHEN BAY IS MAKING BAD BOYS 3?

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    COME ON!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    "a horror film is about the sound of a human being slaughtered"

    by reflecto

    I know that's what Dracula, The Haunting and The Thing were all about! Good catch, Professor! Regale us with more of your intellect! Good call mentioning Texas Chainsaw, BTW, since it's literally Mr. Cummings' cinematic temple, and the one film he desperately tries to remake over and over and over, no matter what the film he signed on to do is supposed to be about...

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIE IS SO NOT FUCKING JODIE FOSTER

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why do people think he's gonna produce some DAMN good movie? That's like thinking Howie Mandel might star in a fucking hilarious sit com.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    HERE'S A GREAT IDEA...

    by SeXX ED

    I was thinking about this the other night and it's fucking hilarious: let Zombie remake romantic comedies! "What Women Want", "Pretty Woman", "Father Of The Bride", huh... HUH? I mean, you're fucking brain-dead if you look forward to this motherfucker's cinematic hijinx. Exactly who are these people that sit around WAITING for this fuckhead to make a good movie? This is his FOURTH time out, man!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    AND ONE MORE THING...

    by SeXX ED

    When did studios start funding a director's education by actually letting said student direct mainstream feature films? If they want him to "evolve" so badly - send his ass to film school!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    AND ONE MORE THING...

    by SeXX ED

    When did studios start funding a director's education by actually letting said student direct mainstream feature films? If they want him to "evolve" so badly - send his ass to film school!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    THAT WAS ONE MORE THING TOO MANY...

    by SeXX ED

    ED sorry.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    CONFIRMED: NEXT "HALLOWEEN" in 3D - NO ZOMBIE

    by SeXX ED

    Check out EW.com for details. You heard it from SeXX ED first!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Reimagining Doesn't Have to Suck

    by BeyondStatic

    Ok, so I was scared out of my mind. Halloween IIz (the Rob Zombie version) is nauseating, disorienting, confuzing, scary, terrifying, and a genuine psycho-thriller the likes of which we haven't seen since the early 80s. We've seen attempts at psycho-thrillers ('Identity' with John Cusak comes to mind) but none done quite so well as Halloween IIz ('Silence of the Lambs' aside obviously). I hope this can be the end of Zombie's Halloween series, because he ended on a high note. Sure it isn't the maniacal Michael Myers of old, which has clearly pissed off everyone on the forum - and as such his immortal, unstoppable drive doesn't make as much sense - but this works on numerous psychological levels and it hits hard. (and the sound effects will make you squirm.) While these aren't great monster/slasher movies like the originals, they are a good psychological exploration into the mind behind the monster. I say good job Rob Zombie! And thank you for getting the sequel out of the hospital!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    He is here to stay, deal with it.

    by fanaticon2007

    Love him or hate him, he is here to stay. His four films alone have already grossed over $100 million dollars, not counting the rest of H2's theatrical run, overseas, DVD, etc. of all the releases. THE BLOD is a $30 million dollars sci-fi/horror flick. Still low budget by most Hollywood standards. He will continue to make films as long as people want to see them. And regardless of all the retarted claims, rude comments aside, people want to see his stuff.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Recoup cost opening weekend

    by Series7

    When is H3 going to be announced. How long for them to put hip hop stars back into this series?

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Sexxed, the rest of us knew about H3 yesterday,

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>You know, when it was announced. Nothing wrong with being late to the party, but busting through the door and announcing that there's a party is kind of stupid.</p><p>And by the way, Zombie isn't attatched because he doesn't want to do another one. Hell, he didn't want to do this one. He has made the Halloween franchise profitable again. Just look at the dismal grosses for that POS Resurrection and that's pretty fuckin' obvious.</p>

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Boobs and massive gore made it profitable again

    by Nadine_Cross

    All Rob Zombie did was tent his fingers and talk about how he'd never sell out.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Antialias nailed it

    by CaptainAxis

    Horror movies aren't meant to be "fun thrill rides" with crowd-pleasing creative kills, but if that's what you want, there are plenty of other choices out there. In fact, the new Final Destination might be more your speed if Zombie's Halloween II is too violent and dirty for you; I saw FD4 and it is bland, lifeless, uninspired, and safe. The "gore" is way too cheesy to be taken seriously, the characters never act scared, and the concept is tired and played out. I'll never understand why Zombie gets shit for bringing the "horror" back into horror films.<br> <br> Oh well, I'm sure you'll get your wishes granted with Halloween 3D. I'm cautiously excited to see what another director will do with the franchise, but the 3D gimmick and limited amount of time to make the movie (release date already announced for next summer) don't give me much hope. I'm sure the cast will be populated with Hollywood's hot young things who will be senselessly knocked off with a variety of unrealistically creative kills playing to the 3D gimmick so the teenage crowd can whoop it up. I look forward to all the bitching and whining about how the studio sanitized Halloween and the cast is too pretty and the 3D gimmick sucks and blah blah blah. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be the Halloween film we've always wanted, because above all I love the franchise, warts and all, and enjoy seeing different writers and directors put their own spin on the mythology.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Questions about Halloween II :

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    Did we really need a definition of "White Horse"? <p>Was it really all a dream? <p>Whats up with Michael's constant grunting, which sounds like it was added in post-production? <p>Michael eats dogs? <p>Michael looks just like Rob Zombie under that mask, who knew? <p>Laurie has a poster of Manson above her bed, seriously? <p>Who spray-painted 666 and satanic symbols in that cops' bathroom? <p>"I'm Michael Myer's sister, who wants to party?" <p>What is the timeline here? The first remake was set in the 70's wasn't it? Then whats up with weird Al and the Black Eyed Peas reference? <p>Did he really rape Annie? <p>Why did she put the mask on before she walked out with her hadns up? <p>Is that the longest white room ever? <p>Rob, you were just fucking with us all along, werent you?

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Why if people hated Zombies' Halloween it is because...

    by Rob0729

    They want slick thrill rides? The original Halloween wasn't a slick thrill ride, yet people who hate Zombie's Halloween is labelled of not being able to get past the differences in the movies. <br><br> I am sure than a large percentage of people who hated Zombie's Halloween movies hated the Final Destination movies. Horror can be very successful and be dirty and bloody. Look at the original Last House on the Left. <br><br> As for Zombie bring horror back to horror, he hasn't. Blood and guts is not horror. Horror is making you jump out of your seat because you don't see the horror coming. He doesn't do that. Some of the best horror movies out there are devoid of blood and guts and filled with jump out of your seat moments. I have never had that experience with Zombie's movies. I thought the Devil's Rejects was good, but even then I didn't think it was true horror. <br><br> Sorry, but dirty, bloody, and violent is not what I consider horror. Anyone can accomplish that. True horror scares you and makes you jump because they hit you with the unexpected. True horror is near impossible to achieve today because the audience is so jaded and experienced in horror that nothing scares them. Back in the day, true horror made people pass out in the isles.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Some answers and more questions

    by CaptainAxis

    Because I'm bored and in the Halloween spirit.<br> <br> What was wrong with Michael's grunting? Was it so much worse than his heavy breathing in Carpenter's film? I thought the grunting added more reality and made it more unsettling. He's still a human being, but one that cannot be reasoned with whatsoever. That's scary to me.<br> <br> "Michael eats dogs?" I wasn't sure what to make of it, but he did like killing dogs in the original and some of the sequels. He's got to eat and I can't picture him sitting in a diner or going to Burger King. I think there would have been more bitching if Michael turned cannibal and ate the people he killed, or if Zombie showed him eating out of a dumpster.<br> <br> Yes, Michael has long hair and a beard. As I said before, how did he stay so well groomed in the other Halloweens? Do you see him visiting a barber shop for a shave and a haircut? The only logical choice is that he has long hair and a beard. It's not rocket science.<br> <br> "Laurie has a Manson poster, 666 in the bathroom, etc.?" Laurie and Annie are both traumatized from the previous movie. They're fucked up. It changed them. It happens.<br> <br> The first remake was not set in the '70s. He decided not to "date" the film by setting it in one specific era, which is smart. Too many horror movies are so dated they're hard to watch.<br> <br> "Did he rape Annie?" I'm hoping there's a director's cut that makes it clearer. Carpenter said in a 1982 interview with Fangoria that Michael was sexually repressed, so it does fit with the original character.<br> <br> I liked the visual of Laurie with the mask on. She's lost literally everyone in her life (aside from Sheriff Brackett, I guess) and she is severely traumatized. Seriously, look at both films and everything that character went through - none of her actions should make logical sense by the end. She's a fucking mess. I hope she takes over the Myers killing mantle in the next one, but with a new director I doubt it. We'll probably just get another generic movie about Michael somehow coming back to life again and stalking and slashing babysitters or some shit. I also wouldn't mind seeing an "urban legend" angle - how does Haddonfield as a town pick up the pieces? This was done in broad strokes in the previous sequels, but a new movie focusing on the town's reaction would be interesting.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Lol, black people and mexicans

    by Kindahuge

    Yeah, I don't know where to have INTELLIGENT gangbangers in your audience, Quint, but mine clapped for this movie. Cries of "AW SHIT HE DONE STABBED HURR LIKE 40 TIMES" were pretty commonplace throughout. Basically, out of an entire theatre full of people (large theatre, so in the hundreds,) I heard 4 people laugh when Weird Al showed up on screen. Four white dudes, sitting in the center - myself and my friends. Mexican crying babies being lazily shushed by pregnant mothers were rampant, as they are during EVERY horror movie showing on the gulf coast, here. Please remove "minorities" (they are legion, and they are retards) from theaters, America.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    jobs_are_for_whimps

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>The idea of the whole film being a dream is interesting. I frankly hadn't looked at it that way, but I suppose it's a valid assumption.</p><p>Yes Michael Meyers eats dogs. See Carpenter's original film for proof.</p><p>Rape Annie? Where the fuck did you get that?</p>The first film was NOT set in the 70's. Please note characters USING CELL PHONES!</p>

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Eating dogs

    by fanaticon2007

    This was in Carpenter's originial. When Loomis and Brackett are searching the Myers house they come across a dead animal off camera. Brackett: What is that? A dog? Loomis replies: He got hungry.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    I didn't notice anyone using cell phones, but I could be wrong. I thought the hippy boss and Rocky Horror references suggested the 70s, but no more than Weird Al and "my humps" suggested current times. <p>I'm quite certain Michael didn't eat any dogs in the original. <p>Before Annie's death in the (satanic graffiti'ed) bathroom, she is fully clothed. Michael's mom, all glowing white, says to "have some fun with this one". When we see her again she is naked and spread out on the blood-soaked tile floor. It gave me the impression that he had his way with her first. <p>To be honest, I think it was ALL meant to be a dream, illustrated in the end by that very dream-like white room Laurie is in at the end. Not to mention, it would explain the jarring flourishes like the Manson poster and the grafitti, and the unrealistic bahavior of every character. After all, the whole film had that dream-like quality, to varying effect. The scene at the table with the various pumpkinheads was cool, the drawn out dream scene of Laurie screaming in MTV quick-cuts wasnt cool. <p>Also, with such a heavy-handed metaphor as the white dream horse, did he really think we were stupid enough to not understand that image without a definition AND a tacked on opening scene? I mean, am I the only one who was offended by the first frame of the movie, talking down to me?

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Your thoughts JOBS ARE FOR WIMPS

    by fanaticon2007

    Linda is using a cell phone in the first RZ HALLOWEEN to call Laurie. It is eluded to that Michael are a dog. Watch the Carpenter original. The rape you may be right. The have some fun with this one and the clothers missing could mean that. Creepy. The dream angle could work for another entry. How to execute it? Tricky.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    ate a dog, I mean.

    by fanaticon2007

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    civilized conversation

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    Oh the cell phone is in the remake, ok. I didnt remember, as I dont remember the dog scene from the original, but it has been a while and I have some habits that tend to kill brain cells. But, I guess the dog-eating and grunting make sense, even the beard. Huh, it's funny that now that I think of the whole movie as an extended dream sequence, I dont hate it as much as I did leaving the theatre last night. Still kind of a dirty trick, but at least the damn thing is starting to make some kind of sense.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I don't even like Zombie's music...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    and I'm a metal head. I like his movies because I LIKE HIS MOVIES. And for your information he made House of 1000 Corpses with his own money. So nobody had to "let" him do shit.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    House of 1000 Corpses

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    is a good horror movie. As soon as the credits rolled I turned to my girlfriend and said "Now THAT's a fuckin' horror movie!". She agreed. There was applause at the end by the way and that NEVER happens in my town. You keep saying how terrible his movies are...as if just saying it makes it true. The fact of the matter is, his movies apeal to a lot of people. You don't like 'em? Fine. I do. A LOT of other people do too. I remind you, his first Halloween movie made more than ANY OTHER HALLOWEEN FILM except the original, and that was re-released out the yin-yang and played for years.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    What is WRROONNNG with the commenters on here..?

    by antialias

    Seriously - the fucking RACISM - wtf?! The idiot blatant slander and douche-baggery...? Whether you like it or not, this guy makes HARDCORE fucking VIOLENT HORROR MOVIES, and you write weak little lame senseless comments on a website. Just out of curiousity, is the racist aspect to the negativity coming from the people who run this website?? Because if that is filtering down from the top - its gonna cause you some problems personally at some stage in your future on or off the internet. You can call him a "piece of shit hack" as much as you want, but speak up, little brainless one, we cant hear you - because you're not SAYING anything. Speak with some intelligence, half a brain, make a valid point or two, say something original and well-thought-out - otherwise all you're proving is that the c*cksucking 12 year old furious masterbaters aren't down with H2 (which is a good thing) Its for the big boys. Its dark and hard and doesnt come with neatly packaged bag o' laffs, thank fucking christ

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Halloween 2 vs. The Final Destination (part 4 in 3D)

    by Joey_Redballs

    An old friend and I made a double feature out of Final Destination 4 in 3D followed by Halloween 2. Both matinees. Why studios would pit two R-rated horror movies against each other in their opening weekend, I’ll never know. R-rated horror is already a dying genre, and competition against itself is foolish. Nobody wins. More PG-13 spooky, but not scary, crap gets made.</p> Below are my brief, SPOILER-FREE reviews. If you don’t want to read them…in short, both movies are OK for what they are. I would recommend going to see either movie over any PG-13, spooky crap any day. Don't get me wrong. PG-13 horror stories have their place. They make great 20 minute TV shows like "Tales from the Darkside" or "Monsters". </p> I went in knowing Final Destination 4 in 3D was all about the 3D gags and gore. I did enjoy it for those gags. They were gross and popped off the screen. The finale could have been a lot cooler than it was, and it was far too short. Final Destination 2 still has the best executed, most original deaths. This was a close 2nd in that category. 3-D played a big part. The original Final Destination remains the best story. This new movie has many pretty actors that are better at being pretty than acting. But for this kind of movie, it kinda strangely works. They’re all just attractive cannon fodder. It’s like watching a warped Abercrombie ad where the models die. It’s an OK movie for anyone who likes 3-D and the Final Destination series. Not for everyone. </p> As weird as it was, I enjoyed Zombie’s Halloween 2 more than Zombie’s first Halloween. It’s no longer a movie remaking a superior movie. It’s an original sequel. (Is that phrase an oxymoron?) The kills are brutal, and the story is way out there. Is it better than John Carpenter’s original Halloween? No, not even close. Is it better than the original Halloween 2? (of which it is not a remake of) I would say maybe, marginally: Yes. I would say the same when comparing to Halloween 5 and 6, just marginally, debatably better. It’s way better than Halloween 6 (Curse of Michael Meyers), part 7 (H20), and part 8 (Resurrection). Definitely not for anyone who is not a fan of the slasher genre. </P> And a message to Rob Zombie...I'm a fan of the F word. It's great when lightly sprinkled like pepper on my mac & cheese. It's ridiculous when poured on in giant heaps. It just makes characters sound ignorant. Maybe that's what you're going for...IN EVERY F-ING MOVIE!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    by Fixthe Fernback

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    "<P>"

    by Fixthe Fernback

    For everyone that uses it respect. <p>For the folks that don't, do you really expect me to read that huge block of text? I pass on by and I suspect others do too.<P>RE: MrZ's Halloween, there was a discussion on horrorblips ( http://tinyurl.com/nac527 ) about which Myers was better, in short, landslide for Carpenters orignal.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    <.P.>

    by Fixthe Fernback

    Should be between the quotes; thought the speech marks would work :(

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Lol!

    by Fixthe Fernback

    The paragraph code is a slippery bugger: </P/>

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Fuck it.

    by Fixthe Fernback

    Too tired..I'm going to bed :(

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Zombie's motivations: ***SPOILER ALERT***

    by Joey_Redballs

    Zombie kiled Michael Meyers and Loomis in the first movie...but no, wait! They live. Blame Akkad Jr. </p>Zombie makes this sequel even more sequel proof, but not really. Zombie turns Loomis into an asshole. Loomis isn't trying to be a hero in the end. He sees an opportunity to redeem his credibility and salvage his public reputation\career. And this version of Loomis savagely dies a deserved, horrible death; ironically, the only thing that could save his reputation and book sales. No possible way he survived this attack. Same for Michael. There's a fucking giant blade imbedded through his skull. Not to mention the 2 rifle shots, impalement on barn junk, and repeated stabbing...and let's not forget all the wounds from Zombie's Halloween 1 having never been medically treated. Michael Meyers is fuct, F-U-C-T, FUCT!</p> So no more sequels? WRONG! Just more unrestricted territory because it's all new. Now it's Angel\Laurie that's in the nuthouse seeing "white horse" visions of mommie played by Sherry Moon Zombie. </p> But why is Sherry Moon Zombie in this movie? So Rob can increase his household income AND not be separated from his wife for months while he shoots a movie! The wife keeps busy on set because she's got lines to memorize and a character to develop in her head! Let's see..."my wife gets to have a career and be happy, AND we both get to have more money! WIN-WIN!" </p> That's win-win for Rob. LOSE-LOSE for fans. I can't wait for H3 starring Sherry Moon Zombie AND the The Blob...starring Sherry Moon Zombie! </P> It's called Nepotism...and it's not just for politicians and other government paid officials anymore! </p> Zombie is capable of making better movies. I just don't think he'll make any.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie remakes White Zombie

    by Joey_Redballs

    It could happen!

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Revenge of Fett.

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    You're a fucking moron.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIE'S SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But he can't afford any snakes, and the plane is really a trailer.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Revenge of Fett...

    by SeXX ED

    Why don't you go blow your no-talent-ass boyfriend Rob Zombie somewhere else? MidnightMeatTrain nailed it: you're a fucking moron. Also, anyone that shares your love for Zombie's films will probably end up spawning flipper-babies just like you.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a lot of you pig-fuckers..

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Just plain don't like horror movies. That's fine. Just stop going to them and bitching afterwards then. Gore is a part of horror. DEAL. Tits are a part of horror. DEAL. Swearing is a part of horror. FUCKING DEAL.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Sexxed

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>Why don't you compare your paycheck to Rob Zombie's then come back and tell me you're more talented eh?</p><p>*crickets</p><p>Yeah, I fucking thought so.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN 2 is 10 times worse than the first one!!!

    by ninpobugei

    At least the first Zombie Halloween had a point and a story. The second movie is Michael Myers just stabbing anyone and everyone he comes in contact with. THERE. IS. NO STORY. It was one of the worst horror movies I've EVER seen. Loud, obnoxious sound effects, pointless dialogue, silly villain and, again, zero story. The ridiculous ghost mom was never explained, nor was the point of Michael pursuing his sister every explained. Just pointless drivel. The first movie was excellent by comparison.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    So ARE you more talented than the Jonas Brothers?

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Well ARE you dipfuck? I don't see your pimply ass packing stadiums and selling Blu-rays! You need a couple more swings of shut-the-fuck-up.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    And perhaps your mouth-breathing ass..

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>Could point out where exactly I said "horror is only gore and swearing and tits". I said those things are PART of horror just like lots of other things. You do understand the difference between "part" and "only" don't you?</p><p>Maybe you should just stick to beating off to BBW videos because you think at least it's a slight possibility you could fuck an obscenely overweight blob of shit like yourself. Just remember to suck the cheeto paste of your fingers before you do.</p><p>I've written professional, paid movie reviews both online and in several newspapers. I'm quoted on Sony's Superbit website. I think I have a skosh more credibility than your basement-dwelling ass.</p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ninpobugei,

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    The fact that you don't think the "ghost mom" was every explained, despite the fact others are complaining that they didn't need to be spoonfed with exposition at the opening film....EXPLAINING THE GHOST MOM, proves you either haven't seen the film, or are too stupid to actually be alive. Also you apparently missed the "reuniting the family" theme that was expressed SEVERAL TIMES throughout the film explaining why he was going after Laurie. By contrasdt, CARPENTER NEVER EXPLAINED why Michael was going after Laurie in his Halloween films.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Superbit! Now that's the wave of the fuure!

    by reflecto

    Good luck with your reviews for the Sacramento Bee, Fett. I love you obese choads sweating through your shirt collars, grunting and screaming death metal-style about how Rob is all about "DARK HARD FUCKING HORROR," with blood and screaming and gore and BADASS VIOLENCE because God knows, that's what horror is as a genre, right, that's what Halloween was all about? Calling yourselves anti-establishment, anti-studio while sucking off the box office receipts and moaning orgasmically about how House of 1000 Corpses is good - you may be its only good review. What a fucking joke. I hope they give the intern your job, assuming for a moment you're not the fill-in intern yourself.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Not gory, not scary, not fun, not anything good

    by Homer Sexual

    Halloween was a classic, but Halloween II is a putrid wreck that I couldn't finish watching before going to see this. So I had hopes...remaking a bad movie seemed like it had promise. <p> But..no...half ridiculous, half tedious. The ridiculous was actually better. <p> I can't believe people think this was "hard" or gory. There is next to no blood. There is a lot of implied gore, Michael stabbing and bludgeoning shadowy figures. Except for all the cursing, this could be PG-13. <p> Suffice it to say that me, and my group of friends, have all vowed to never, ever again watch a Rob Zombie movie. <p> I bet he thinks this is good, too. I bet he thinks it's arty. If I were Sherrie Moon Zombie, I would be ashamed to show my face in public. <p> Actually, if I were any cast member except Danielle HArris, I'd be pretty humiliated.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    This or Resurrection....which is worse?

    by Homer Sexual

    While I despised the original Halloween II, Halloween Resurrection was the absolute nadir of the franchise. <p> Now that another poster referred to it...I must wonder, which is worse? <p> As terrible as this was, I think Resurrection was worse. Also, the audience in Resurrection turned on it way more than this one.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I fucking HATED Resurrection!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    <p>It's maybe the only time I walked out of a movie fucking PISSED!</p> <p>I still had some popcorn in my bucket as I walked out and just slammed that fucker into the waste can at ther exit, SHOWERING the poor kid standing there with his little mint basket.</p><p>I felt a little bad about that, but goddman that movie FUCKING SUCKED!</p>

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Horror is many things

    by CaptainAxis

    Some of you like "jump scares" in your horror, as in Carpenter's Halloween. Some prefer twisted characters and more realistic situations. Some prefer gore and violence. It's all equally valid under the umbrella of horror. I think the problem is that some of you mistakenly label yourselves "horror fans" when it's really suspense films that you enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you want tension and suspense without any of the actual horror... I'm inclined to believe you don't like horror films. Just as the people who ONLY like the gore and violence aren't really horror fans, either; they'd probably be just as happy watching snuff films. If you watch Zombie's films objectively, he has a good balance of gore and suspense.<br> <br> "Sorry, but dirty, bloody, and violent is not what I consider horror. Anyone can accomplish that."<br> <br> That's funny, because anyone can do the "jump scares" that Carpenter did in the original, too. Have a guy with a mask walking around in the dark. Have him disappear and then suddenly reappear when the scary music cue hits. Repeat ad nauseum. Seriously, I can sneak up behind my friends in the dark and scare them just as effectively as Carpenter did in Halloween. It's not some sophisticated technique; it's just that what was scary in 1978 isn't scary in 2009. What was scary in 1948 wasn't scary in 1978, either. Of course there are few exceptions, but as a rule you know this is true.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Rumor for H3D

    by CaptainAxis

    Bloody Disgusting posted an unconfirmed rumor that Steve Miner may be the director behind the new Halloween 3D. Dear God, I hope not. H20 was dull as fuck and apparently his last couple films have been direct-to-video shitpiles. I almost hope it's true and he churns out an awful PG-13 Halloween-lite stocked with Hollywood kids and "fun" kills. Then when you all bitch about it, I can be right here to tell you that you got what you deserved.<br> <br> But really, I hope it's not true. The last thing this franchise needs is to go backward to the days of H20 and Resurrection.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie flopped and failed for our sins

    by reflecto

    Is that about right, CaptainAxis? Let me just see if I've got your fucked-up thesis right: We (and by extension, apparently, almost the entire general public and film critics) just don't UNDERSTAAAANNNDDD Rob Zombie's great films because a) we have lost touch with "true horror," b) we are lost in the past and not looking to the future, and/or c) we are tweens who are only used to PG-13 crap, not "true horror"...OF THE PAST. So which is it, tiddlyfuck? Are we all relics lost in the past OR clueless tweens with no concept of the horror genre? That's the problem with you and Mr. Cummings; neither of you can finish a coherent thought, either onscreen, in a script, or on the computer trolling a message board. It's always about you you you, and how you've been persecuted by people who JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. But riddle me this, Quizmaster: Why is it that "old, antiquated films" such as the original Halloween (and congratulations, BTW, on tossing John fucking Carpenter on the dustbin by saying he "only does jump scares", you silly little cunt), or Dracula, or Bride of Frankenstein, or Nosferatu, or M, or Caligari, or Rosemary's Baby, or Alien, why do all these films and many more like them, spanning anywhere from fifty to eighty years in the past, STILL end up on people's all-time list of GREATEST *HORROR*, look at the word closely motherfucker, HORROR FILMS? Is it because MAYBE, JUST FUCKING MAYBE, there is more to horror, and what it constitutes, and how it works, then the inch-long definition you and Rob Zombie adhere to? Rob's attitude seems to be, it's only horror if it's grunting, drooling, hairy manbeasts, pawing women, raping them, gutting them, covered in grime, with the most vulgar, gruesome display possible, surrounded by broad, frightful caricatures of society that cackle and gnaw at each other. This is because Rob's only frame of reference for horror films are the ones he worshipped as an idiot manchild: TCM, The Hills Have Eyes, Last House, and a smattering of Russ Meyer sexploitation flicks that aren't horror at all. And while those films were and are great, they were never the whole spectrum of horror, and Tobe Hooper and Wes would be the first motherfuckers to tell you so. To Rob, "true" horror is only exploitation from the past, '60s and '70s D-movies, full of society's outcasts. He doesn't understand any of the other true greats: Polanski, Carpenter, Lang, Hitchcock, Murnau, Whale, Ridley Scott, Robert Wise, even Charles Laughton doing Night Of The Hunter, and he just doesn't seem to want to. He took the surface elements of his child, the shrill cosmeticity of his faves, or of the Italians, without actually UNDERSTANDING the work of Argento or Bava or Fulci. You and Rob are the ones "stuck in the past," CaptainAxis, not us. You're living off one old, tired definition of horror - mid-'70s exploitation flicks - and trying to jerk yourselves off again and again in rapid succession, struggling to get it up, to flog the dead horse, to make it work once again, trying to convince us that it's still the future of horror. You know nothing about horror. You know a fraction. And you don't get it, and neither does Rob Zombie, if he's bred sad little children like you who have to put down REAL horror filmmakers just to prop up his tired, sepia-tone nostalgia fart. You want to know why Rob gets panned? It's not because he's "too dark" or "too violent" or "too hardcore," otherwise filmmakers like Takashi Miike or Chan-wook Park wouldn't get good reviews. It's because he has nothing to say, people have seen it all before, and done much, much better. Oh, as for Steve Miner? He may be a mediocre studio hack, but at least he understood how to make a scary movie back in the '80s, while Rob was still watching them on Beta and totally fucking missing the point. Miner turned out Friday 2 and H20, both flawed but solid slashers; like the original Halloween, H20's violence quotient is relatively scant, but again, if you knew anything about horror, you'd know it's not onscreen gore that makes a movie "dark" or "real." The opening sequence of H20 with Nancy Stephens is better than anything else in any other Halloween film in over 20 years. I'll take a hack who knows his job over a pretentious little pissant who can't get the job done, can't make a good film, AND insults his betters while he's at it. Thanks anyway, though, CaptainAxis. It's been a pleasure prying you out of your ass.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Whaaaat?

    by CaptainAxis

    Look man, I have gone out of my way to explain that there is no real definition of "true horror" and that it is a massive genre covering many different subgenres. In contrast, you and others who don't like Zombie or his films ramble on about how he doesn't know how to do "real horror" and he shows too much and explains too much and a myriad of other complaints. News flash: I love Carpenter's Halloween. I enjoyed the sequels to varying degrees, with H20 and Resurrection at the bottom mostly due to the sorely missed absence of Donald Pleasance. I also enjoyed Zombie's Halloween and the sequel, but I had to pry myself away from the original franchise (and watched the Director's Cut of Zombie's Halloween) before I could truly say I liked them. They are both heavily flawed films, just like the previous movies, but there were enough original ideas and visceral moments that, for me, outweighed the stuff I didn't like. Obviously, you feel differently.<br> <br> Rob Zombie is the Kevin Smith or Quentin Tarantino of horror. I say that as a person who absolutely despises Smith's films and enjoyed two or three of Tarantino's movies. They are niche directors who will never appeal to a wide spectrum of movie-goers (although QT has the benefit of a mega-hit like Pulp Fiction and the ability to cast big stars) but they make movies that a certain segment of the population really loves. You are not one of them and that's perfectly acceptable. Why then do you feel the need to personally insult anyone who DARES to like movies that you don't? I prefer to have rational discussion about films without the pretentious air of superiority that you and those like you exhibit in these talkbacks.

  • Sept. 1, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    H20 is shit!!!!

    by fanaticon2007

    For you to hold the first 20 minutes of H20 and its shitty pacing, score and so on as the best moments of any HALLOWEEN film over the last 20 some years shows you to be the one with his head firmly up his ass. That movie was as shitty as any of the other sequels.

  • Sept. 2, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    (sigh)... REVENGE_OF_FETT

    by SeXX ED

    If Gene Eric didn't make it clear enough for you, there's no point in my carrying on about this. I, however can't resist putting a final word in, so here goes: You are not a fan of true horror films. Your concept of what true horror films are is that of a twelve year old. Your stalwart defense of Rob Zombie - which influences you to insult other talkbackers - suggests that your kitchen pantry is filled with empty "Hot Topic" bags. You do not have a girlfriend.

  • Sept. 6, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    This movie was like a two-hour White Zombie album cover in movie

    by YoyodynePropulsionSystems

    This thing was a turd. Halloween, and its genre, rely on normal life getting disrupted by evil, and then bringing normal people to the core of ethical decision-making amidst crazy monsters and death. Rob Zombie put his ego in front of a great franchise, great characters like Dr. Loomis, and just made a horrid movie. I agree with Quint's point on the language, not because of the f-bomb factor, but more the dicklicker and dude factor. Two years ago at SDCC, Wes Craven said something about dialog in movies I'll never forget. Lame teenage slang makes a movie feel dated the second it comes out. The original Halloween is classic. This isn't. Its a movie reflection of Rob Zombie's long history of Hot Topic production, which is something I could never figure out, because in all his in-person interviews and articles, he seems pretty smart, as someone with a level of integrity beyond that of his work. Even separating this from the original and taking it as a venue through which Zombie is just trying to produce a story still leaves it lifeless.