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Mr. Beaks And Patton Oswalt Discuss BIG FAN!

Welcome to Patton Oswalt Week. The festivities kicked off on Sunday when Comedy Central premiered his latest stand-up comedy special MY WEAKNESS IS STRONG, which was followed by the release of the LP on Tuesday. It's been nothin' but laughs so far, but it'll all take a decidedly humorless turn on Friday with the opening of Robert Siegel's BIG FAN, which stars Oswalt as Paul Aufiero, a middle-aged, barely-social, living-with-his-mother-in-Staten-Island parking lot attendant whose ferocious devotion to the New York Giants isn't so much tested as pathetically reinforced after he catches a beating from his favorite player. This might sound like it has the potential to be a darkly comedic satire of sports fandom, but Siegel, the Academy Award-nominated screenwriter of THE WRESTLER, plays it wincingly straight. And Oswalt responds with a fully-committed portrait of a man whose (completely unreciprocated) loyalty to his team trumps his own personal pride and physical well-being. Though not a sports fan, Oswalt didn't have to do much in the way of research to understand Paul's brand of zealotry; all he had to do was examine his own fervent passion for film, television and literature, and then imagine a version of himself that never developed introspection or a sense of humor. It's not easy to watch, but Oswalt relished the chance to throw himself into the kind of leading role that doesn't get offered (much less written) nowadays; in tone and aesthetic, it's very much a 1970s throwback - which is, of course, catnip to a cinephile like him. When I sat down to chat with Oswalt at the BIG FAN junket a couple of weeks back, he had just finished with my pal Kim Morgan. Figuring he was all fired up to talk movies at that point, I decided to stick with the topic. I'm glad I did, too, because I got a great reading of DRAG ME TO HELL out of it and a brand new, non-snarky appreciation for Stallone's first three ROCKY films. We also discuss formula indie filmmaking, comedians in dramatic roles and how talkbackers helped inform his portrayal of Paul. When I started recording, Oswalt was holding forth on what a brutal summer it's been for movies.

Patton Oswalt: It's almost been like an assault, you know what I mean? And now we're finally getting to stuff like IN THE LOOP and THE HURT LOCKER. The way they mishandled ADVENTURELAND was such a bummer for me. I loved that movie. I get wrapped up in these movies in a weird, personal way.

Mr. Beaks: And DRAG ME TO HELL. I was kind of crushed that that didn't do well.

Oswalt: I know! What the fuck, man! I do like the fact that it's so clear now - and you and I can see the beginnings of this - that DRAG ME TO HELL is going to become a weird, talked-about cult item down the road. Right now, all people will remember is "Oh, that movie tanked." But in a few years, people will start looking at it and going, "This movie is a ton of fun, and there's a lot of weird things [going on in it]." I've already started reading the crazy theories online about it. Have you read the one that says it's about a girl suffering from extreme anorexia, and she is slowly hallucinating and going crazy? That's what the whole movie is! And if you notice, every scene that involves food, people are either drooling on it, or when that eye pops into the harvest cake, she never eats it. She never eats anything. And at the end, she's being dragged under the train tracks and being turned into a skeleton. People are saying this is a new REPULSION. And also, the demons are always these weird shadows and silhouettes. Do you ever really see them, or is it her going apeshit?

Beaks: Wow. That's something to consider. I was too wrapped up in the fact that he was staging big, goofy Looney Tunes gags again to notice anything sneaky like that.

Oswalt: But, again, is that her hallucination? Is that what she knows of violence? Because all of her trauma came from this childhood of being this fat, goofy 4-H girl, was she turning to cartoons and snacks, and that's what she's imagining now? I don't know. If that parking garage fight doesn't get nominated for Best Fight on next year's MTV Movie Awards...

Beaks: It's the sham we always thought it was? Hey!

Oswalt: (Big fake laugh) Ha, ha, ha! Ba-zoom! But I love that movie so much. Again, it's one of those movies where we're going to have to sit back and wait for it to get its following.

Beaks: I just hope it doesn't scare him off these kinds of movies for good. It looks like it already has. Not that he can't do whatever he wants.

Oswalt: He's got a long career ahead of him. Let him do whatever the fuck he wants. I would never tell that guy what to do.

Beaks: We're just selfish.

Oswalt: We are very selfish. With people like him, are you kidding?

Beaks: Getting into BIG FAN, the obvious place to go is the 1970s character study.

Oswalt: Oh, totally. I'm glad that we're going there because that's what attracted me to it. Talking to Michael Simmonds, the cinematographer [of BIG FAN] who did MAN PUSH CART and CHOP SHOP, he really had that aesthetic. And I knew that it was going to have that great, gritty early '70s feel. I don't know why movies buff themselves up to look all shiny. I don't get it.

Beaks: Even in indie cinema, people are slaves to structure and formula. They don't want grit or mess. They want polish.

Oswalt: It is so weird how indie cinema, just like alternative comedy, grew its own cliches and formulas; the thing that was fighting against formula fought it by forming a different set of formulas. I remember that a friend of mine, during the '90s, was lamenting the three indie plots, which were "Hitman on his last gig," What do we do with this dead body?" and "Oh, my god, we ripped off the mob!" It really was variations on those themes for the longest time. But the alternative to anything... I mean, punk rock started getting conventions, then post-punk got conventions, then hip-hop got conventions. And one way to break convention is to go back to classic style - and the '70s have become classic. It was good to see Robert embrace that, and not just let the camera just be bolted down. He did what they did in the '70s: your actors better walk on screen and be good, and you better have written a good script that they can be comfortable enough to breathe with.

Beaks: And get lost in the neuroses and psychic hurt of these characters.

Oswalt: And take your time. And be confident enough to say, "I know where this is going, but I'm not going to light off firecrackers every five minutes for you to keep your attention." I really compare [BIG FAN] to movies like... THE KING OF MARVIN GARDENS, which is about the beginning of that kind of alienation. And FAT CITY, which is about devotion to a thing that has long since stopped loving you, if it ever did. And also... you know what I just watched again? I know it won Best Picture, but it actually belongs in the group of movies like FIVE EASY PIECES. ROCKY. It's this amazing, really difficult... I mean, what a brilliantly written movie. It's all this location stuff, and it actually takes its time. Nowadays, you'd have trouble getting that made as an indie. "Well, this is way too slowly paced." What an amazing movie that is.

Beaks: You also wouldn't get the resources to stage the fight at the end. That would be considered "too big" for that type of movie.

Oswalt: Exactly. But even the big fight has this sad, tawdry feel to it. It almost feels like the whole sport of professional boxing at the time had become low rent. It's this sad sense that... Apollo Creed is putting up some of the money to keep the fight [going]; it's this whole publicity thing to help him stay in the spotlight. Everyone's scrambling and hustling in that movie. Even the so-called "champion" is. It's also weird how even ROCKY II and III, that whole trilogy together is this brilliant story of "You've got to go the distance, and then you've got to fucking win, and then you've got to keep earning it." There's a weird psychic biography of Stallone's life in those three movies. It's sort of beautiful.

Beaks: Even III, as garish as it is?

Oswalt: But the thing is, it's so personal because his life at that point was fucking garish! No one gives him credit, but Stallone really can observe shit. Talk about a keen observation of what happens when you become a crazy mega-celebrity! He clearly didn't miss anything. He saw every horrible thing, remembered it, and put it into that script. He doesn't miss a fucking beat!

Beaks: I'd say that's also true of ROCKY BALBOA. And just his attention to character detail, like the way Rocky keeps a folding chair stuck up in the tree next to Adrian's grave. That's good writing.

Oswalt: It's fantastic.

Beaks: Bringing this back to Paul, one thing that jumps out at me is that, unlike Rocky, he's completely uninterested in women. He has taken himself out of that race. That's just something that's not going to happen for him.

Oswalt: I think it's because a love of women would require that thing that he gave up, which is to know yourself you have to kind of study yourself in action with another person. It has to be reciprocated, and you have to pay attention. And he does not want to pay attention to people; he wants to pay attention to the giant, epic waxing and waning of his team. I almost think he's become a jealous mistress. You know the way someone who's way too devoted to their rock band that they love will boo the opening act no matter who it is? I've seen it happen with comedians, where the audience will boo the opening act because they've got to show the opening act how much they love him. So this is Paul's way of flagellating himself - in a huge way with women. But I even think, in a minor way... and we were talking about this scene earlier... when they're having the pizza, they just get the slice of pepperoni. No thought to it. And he's actually alarmed and angry that they guy would put pineapple on it. I know this is going to sound silly, but that's almost symbolic of, like, "If I put pineapple on my pizza, what if I start to like it? I'm going to want to explore other areas, and that's going to take devotional energy away from my team." So everything to him is the most basic fucking thing he can do, to a pathological level. Does that make sense?

Beaks: Totally.

Oswalt: Maybe I'm reaching too far, but Robert's writing is so fucking good in this. And there were scenes... he was very eager for us to improvise, but there were other moments where I saw what he very carefully put in there, and I wanted to read the script as it was. I was like, "This will be better if I don't improvise this." He gave me really good shit, and I wanted to use it.

Beaks: In embodying this character, did you have to listen to hours of sports talk radio to understand how these guys' minds work?

Oswalt: No, what I actually did was I lived in Staten Island the whole time we did the movie. And I spent a couple of days beforehand walking around and talking to people. And I also... because the script was so non-judgmental about Paul and this world that he loves, I started looking at my own life and the people around me, and looked at it without judgment to mine it for... instead of saying, "Well, I'm really obsessed with movies and literature and comics, that makes me little bit better than sports fans because mine is more of the arts." I'm actually no different. And I really started - and I'm saying this in a very affectionate way - the comment threads on The Onion and the talkbacks on Ain't It Cool are full of Paul Aufieros. They really are. And there is real poetry in the rhythm of the posts, especially when you look at the back-and-forth as it keeps building; it has these weird symphonic builds and collapses. And so I sort of found his voice in those areas. I also started listening to how I would talk when I would start going off about movies. Like "Oh, this great time in early British '60s cinema!" And I realized, "I'm not really talking to anyone. I'm just lecturing to reaffirm my own bullshit knowledge about this stuff." Because the only time Paul really activates is when he's talking about his team. I remember reading somewhere that when De Niro was getting ready to do TAXI DRIVER, he would watch crabs underwater, and watch how they would move because that's how he saw Travis. So I would go to the comic book store on a Wednesday and look at how these guys would interact with each other. They're so focused on their brightly-colored superheroes and so not acknowledging anyone else. There was something so beautiful about that.

Beaks: They're also jockeying for primacy. They all want to think that they know more about any given comic than anyone else in that store.

Oswalt: Roger Ebert wrote this amazing review of FANBOYS, and he said something - and he didn't necessarily say it in a mean way. But he said that people who are "nerds", for lack of a better word... it's not that they want to learn more about this subject; they know everything there is to know. They want to show other people what they know. So all of their conversations are like "Hey, do you want to hear something really interesting about STAR TREK?" They're not asking the other person, "What was your day like, what do you think about this?" They want to be asked, "Hey, what's a weird parallel between DUNE and STAR WARS?" "Oh, funny you should ask..." All they have are paragraphs of information that they're waiting to spit out. I'm just as guilty of that as other people. There are days when I do not interact with people because I'm so wrapped up in my obsessions. But I'm very lucky that I have a circle of friends who are as obsessed as me and really keep me in check. They're like, "Why don't you shut up and listen to other people."

Beaks: The talkbackers can be very useful in that regard, too. If I overreach or get too obsessed on one particular topic, they'll call me on it.

Oswalt: What I love about the talkbackers is that as socially awkward and rude and mean-spirited as they can be, a lot of times they can nail it. That's what's really crazy: when someone you realize hasn't left their parents' basement in three years has just see through you. It's good that they exist because then you go, "Well, this must be obvious to everybody. If the guy who lives on Cap'n Crunch and TV dinners just saw through my bullshit..." (Laughs)

Beaks: (Laughing) I just don't want anyone knowing that much about me.

Oswalt: But everyone reveals everything about themselves in their writing. Even if you don't write about yourself, what you hide and what you avoid is just as much a biography as what you trumpet to the world. Bringing it back to Paul, look at everything you've been able to surmise about him by what you don't see onscreen. By what you don't see him do and what you don't see him react to. That's Robert's writing: he has all of that in mind.

Beaks: You were saying that, in building this character, you were reticent to add to what Robert wrote. But are there moments in the film that came about through improv?

Oswalt: A lot of the scenes with Kevin [Corrigan], and especially the scenes with Marcia Jean Kurtz, who I was so lucky to get to work with. She was in DOG DAY AFTERNOON and PANIC IN NEEDLE PARK. She's been in almost all of Lumet's movies. Man, that is a capital-P, capital A "Pro Actress". None of that method bullshit, just "Oh, let's do it. I'm ready to go." The scenes back and forth with her when we're driving in the car, that's almost totally improvised. I mean, the dialogue was there, but she would really start laying into me, and I would get defensive. And the scene when she's yelling at me from her bed, she was yelling at me so hard I almost started crying. I didn't think she was going to lay into me that hard. She's amazing. So having people like her who can do this in their sleep is so amazing. And the scene where she was commenting on my brother's law commercial? There was a lot of stuff they had to cut out for pacing, but she riffed at least half-an-hour on trying to compliment him on his shitty local commercial. We were fucking dying. I had to leave the room. The shit she was saying was the dumbest shit you've ever heard, but you could tell that that was stuff she'd heard people say, and was delighted by "Oh, my god, they're so inarticulate! They're trying to say something, but they just can't." I like that Paul never had anything to say [back].

Beaks: Even when he's calling into that sports talk radio show, and has scripted his screeds down to the word, they're still not very effective.

Oswalt: There's something missing.

Beaks: It's like sub-par New York Post sportswriting.

Oswalt: But you know what's missing? It's that this guy doesn't talk to other people. And again, not that I'm anywhere near Robert De Niro's level of acting, but the scene where he takes Cybill Shepherd on that date to get pie, and... he starts realizing "I need to talk to more people because this is literally an alien ritual to me. Not just to talk to a woman, but another human being. I just can't do it." And it's mirrored a little later when he tries to talk to Peter Boyle and he's basically asking him, "Talk me out of committing a massacre." But he can't even ask that correctly. And then Peter Boyle just gives him this answer... he doesn't even listen to him. It's so tragic. (Laughs) Paul is like Travis Bickle without the gun skills or the push-ups. My Jodie Foster is the New York Giants. And my Sport is Philadelphia Phil - that's my Harvey Keitel character. (Laughs)

Beaks: (Laughing) Speaking of Keitel, I was thinking of stand-up comics who've excelled in dramatic roles. And the one performance I keep going back to is Richard Pryor in BLUE COLLAR.

Oswalt: And LADY SINGS THE BLUES.

Beaks: Absolutely.

Oswalt: But BLUE COLLAR, I wrote a big thing about that for the site. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. And what's amazing about that role... here's how brilliant Pryor was: he was still funny in that role, but in a very scary and real way. You realize his character uses humor and rudeness and cutting people down to cope with how horrible his life is, which made it a very human thing. He uses it to cope with his rage.

Beaks: Was Pryor's performance instructive to you?

Oswalt: (Laughing) No. And you know why it wasn't instructive to me? Because if it had been instructive, I would've given an even better performance. What it was was something that I shot for. I had it in mind when I did it. Whether or not I reached it, that is up to you. Another example I used was a little-known French crime film from the '80s called TCHAO PANTIN, which I think means "Goodbye Fatty". And there's a French comedian [Coluche] who plays an ex-cop who's fat and depressed; something horrible has happened to him in his past, and he's a gas station attendant now. This guy was a goofy comedian, and he took on this really dark role without doing that "I'm a comedian trying to be serious!" He was just like, "I'm just going to play this the way a normal person is." And I just played Paul as me if I had never developed any kind of sense of humor or coping skills. That's literally how I would be. And I think I was able to admit that about myself and realize, "Yeah, maybe I'm not that far away." I used to go to the New Beverly every fucking night of my life when I moved here; I would see thirty movies a month. I've taken many, many steps into this world, and have had to walk back out.

Beaks: That sounds like my life the last couple of weeks. I was there for every Joe Dante movie, and plan to go back for more this weekend.

Oswalt: (Laughing) Oh, god, I was traveling and missed that! How awesome is Joe Dante? Why doesn't he have a show on TV where he just comes on says, "I'm going to talk about this movie for a half-hour, then you go watch it, and then we'll come back next week and talk about it." I could listen to him talk about movies for days. He is so fun to listen to.

Beaks: I heard someone this week refer to him as a walking strip of celluloid.

Oswalt: But he's so human and so delighted by this stuff. He's not one of those weirdos. He's an example of a guy who's obsessed by stuff in a totally relatable way because he always links it to life. "Don't you wish life could be like this?" He's winking and is sort of delighted by the failed power fantasies these movies are. There's something so beautiful about that. He doesn't judge it.

Beaks: And MATINEE has to be the greatest valentines to moviegoing ever made.

Oswalt: God, it's so good! And all of his stuff on Trailers From Hell. His commentaries are so much fun! That guy is amazing.



I could've kept this going for another hour, but Oswalt was needed for a photo shoot out in the Four Seasons courtyard, so this is all you're getting. He did say that he's trying to get another series going with The New Beverly (maybe in December or next year), and he might also be screening something at The Silent Movie Theater in October. We'll certainly let you know if/when any of these events come together. For now, be sure to check out BIG FAN, which opens in New York City on August 28th and in Los Angeles on September 11th. And don't forget about MY WEAKNESS IS STRONG, which proves once again that Oswalt is one of the funniest men on the planet today (along with Louis C.K.). Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see this

    by Aloy

    I have total faith in Patton

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    GAME-CHANGER

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    REVOLUTIONARY

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    loretta swit's got a bush you can hide a VCR in...

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    nothing wrong with Ca N' Crunch N' T.V. din-din

    by hegele

    though we all appreciate the kind words toward us talkbackers... fagot... all kidding aside, i'm really looking forward to BIG FAN, love Patton and loved The Wrestler.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    CUMPSTON!

    by The InSneider

    Looking forward to seeing Big Fan. Siegel is a hell of a writer.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    CUMPSTON INDEED! You sexy weak-jawed genius!

    by YackBacker

    I want you to inseminate my girlfriend.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    This could get ugly

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I wonder how those comments about TBers will go down. I'm not as plugged in on Patton Oswalt's career as some, but I laughed my ass off over his bit on Cirque DeSoleil.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Don't make the mistake

    by Series7

    Of watching Patton on anything else except his special. Because if you caught him on Letterman or something else he was on, he pretty much did his whole special.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    will neil cumpston

    by werewolfbynight

    write a review of big fan?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    So what they meant by those comments about Rocky

    by Series7

    Is that neither of them have seen The Hammer.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    OSWALT IS ONE FUCKIN FUNNY DUDE

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    He always KILLS at the Comedy Central roasts.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by mrbeaks

    The Adam Carolla movie? Huh. Totally wrote that off when it got dumped in '08, but the reviews make it sound worthwhile. Thanks for the recommendation!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Movie Fans

    by cahcat

    Patton's film knowledge is awesome. I'm in awe. I must admit to my own addiction of regular New Beverly visits...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt could be any one of us...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...we're all loser nerds with a lot of knowledge about inconsequential things. But he's actually got talent and he went out and DID something with it. Kudos to him.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    mrbeaks

    by Series7

    Yes. The movie totally looks like it was going to be crap. But its actually a really good funny movie, with a decent hint of romance to it. Carolla was on a bunch of talk shows promoting it and he said that he would go to screenings and say that if you REALLY didn't enjoy the movie that he would refund your ticket.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Patton's comments about Talkbackers are spot-on.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And I have to wonder if he currently has an active account on AICN...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    $10 Bucks says Patton

    by Series7

    Is lockesbrokenleg.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! You're on.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Movie Orgy

    by Series7

    Damnit. Maybe the next medium after DVD's will allow Dante to have this available to everyone.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Basement dwelling Cap'n Crunch eaters? FUCK YOU!!

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    I only eat Count Chocula, so that shows how much YOU know, assclown!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Beaks.

    by gavdiggity

    And I'd love it if Patton is Media Messiah.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by The Garbage Man

    As much as I would love that, I don't think it's physically possible for anyone to consistently dumb themselves down to that level for so long. No, I'm afraid the one we've got is the genuine article.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt really is a funny fucker...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    he looks like a buddy of mine which makes it even funnier. Apparently, he's gonna act in movies now. Nice. About time an entertainer who isn't a rap star tries a film career.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    ED PRESSMAN - The Hebrew Hammer?

    by Mennen

    ... Ed also was the producer of THE CROW.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Huge Giants fan

    by Davidhessstation

    I love the NY Giants and I love movies and The Wrestler wa sthe bets film of last year so I cannot wait for this movie to come out.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    and I like to spell

    by Davidhessstation

    And I sounded like a moron. Sigh...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    series7

    by rartus

    why does it seem like certain tb'ers get the blackbar for the most remedial questions.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    We're not ALL basement dwelling virgins...

    by blackmantis

    Seriously. I'm sure there are some, but I personally am married man with kids who is just a lifelong fan of movies...I do dwell in a basement though because that's where my office is!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Has Cumpston shown up on HitFix yet?

    by palimpsest

    Just asking...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    If you're not a basement dweller

    by gavdiggity

    then he's not talking to you, is he? <P> I know I don't get pissed at people who talk about pasty, fat, virginal nerds sipping from a Super Big Gulp from the confines of their mom's basement. It doesn't apply to me. <P> I live in the attic.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    "MOM! Stop yelling...I'm writing on the talkback!"

    by Rebeck2

    Jeez. God, can't I get any privacy around here. ...What? Yes, I'd like some Cheezy Poofs, but later, okay?!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Patton Fans

    by Series7

    Need to watch Sex and Death 101. Thats a funny ass movie no one saw.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    rartus

    by Series7

    Huh?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I'm not a basement dwelling nerd....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    I access this site from an under sea laboratory with Aquaman. He's asleep and I just sprinkled cut off pubes into his face. Pretty rowdy down here sometimes. Fuck basement dwelling.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    So is this movie based off of this clip?

    by Series7

    http://tinyurl.com/c9s5hh <P> My brother is a Giants fan, and I put this up on his face book and said. There will always be next year. He conceded, saying that I had got him because he couldn't say anything back.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Basement Dwellers

    by Series7

    This is for your older folks with kids. Whats gonna happen when you find out your son (or daughter) is on this site. As a Talkbacker and you are too. Or vice versa. WEIRD!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Beaks talks to Neil Cumpston.

    by Sal_Bando

    YAYYY.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Well they always think....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    doesn't matter the man's style out here as long as he's got the dollars to back it up.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Series7...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    do you consider yourself a basement dweller?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Patton has dropped the funny

    by BoE

    A few things happened to him in the last few years - he found this girl who turned him to a puddle of goo (check out youtube - there is a video of him prattling on about it; warning, may induce cringe) then big fan and the baby and, natch, ditching booze and weed. Sorry, but after his comedy show the other night, I really miss the old Patton. Much of the material has been out there for awhile (exercise bike audition) and the new stuff just wasn't up to par with his stuff from werewolves (a truly brilliant album). As a married guy, I realize this is to be expected, but it remains a little sad. Also sad is the fact that Patton doesn't update his blog as frequently or with the same zeal. I've read the whole thing and even when he was going on about something about which I did not care, I always enjoyed reading what he had to say. I'll see Big Fan and I imagine I'll enjoy it, but I'd really rather see Patton writing comedy, taking comedic roles and doing stand up. Also, Patton, if you read this - give Conan (and us) a break when you do his show; the ball and meth cracks weren't funny and you knew it wasn't the right audience. I love your more challenging material (e.g. going to a costco to get the morning after pill) but you know that isn't going to play on the tonight show.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Anyone See Oswalt BOMB on Letterman last week?

    by BigTuna

    Jesus. How embarrasing. No one laughed and the band interrupted him because he was going over the time limit. It was awkward.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt > God

    by anonymoose

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    cheyne_stoking_DMS

    by Series7

    Naw. I don't have a basement in the house I own.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Patton, I demand you suffer for my amusement.

    by ebonic_plague

    All this baby and wife and happiness and clean living and serious acting is fine, but I want to see you DANCE, MONKEY!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Patton, if you read this

    by BadMrWonka

    you're right that the back and forth dialogue of the obsessed movie nerd is exactly what the talkbacks here SHOULD be all about. and they WERE, up until maybe 4 years ago. since then, they've devolved into this odd state that I refer to as the Bog of Eternal Stench (from Labyrinth). the few interesting characters, and comments are overshadowed by the blurping, farting gurgles of all the teenagers and idiots with NO knowledge of the history of cinema, NO real devotion or respect for the site, and all they live for is to spew endless negativity about EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN THING. even people that you would think HAVE to get a pass (Spike Jonze, Michel Gondry, etc.) are now "overrated"...it's truly sad. especially since a few years ago a movie like Big Fan would be a great lightning rod for geek energy, because of the apt and exciting parallels with old 70's Paul Schrader movies. but now, I'm afraid, it's going way over the heads of 90% of the people here.<p>I've been on AICN for 10 years, and I still love it. but seeing all the kids now that take the talkbacks for granted, like they're no different than the YouTube comments for the latest "kid breaks ankle skateboarding" video, it drinks my milkshake man, it really does. I remember when corresponding, commentating, etc. on the internet was actually rare enough that the people who took time to do it actually had a REASON to. they had something to SAY. now, you jsut need a Starbucks, a laptop, and a pile of tapioca between your ears.<p>anyway, burp on, kiddos. I'll be seeing this movie opening day, and I'm convincing 10 of my friends, too. this kind of movie has to be supported, or it's Bad Boys and Transformers sequels from here on out...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    My god, please shut the fuck up already

    by The_Ad_Wizard_Who_Came_Up_With_This_One

    "Discussions on the internet are not what they used to be. Back in 2004 people had RESPECT!" Fuck you kindly, you idiot.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    The Hammer

    by thefreeagents

    cracked me up. Much better than I expected.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Anyone feel like punching Oswalt in the face?

    by Onin Solstice

    I like this stuff, he's got great material. But there's something about his face that calls out for a fist to strike it...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    BoE

    by Yabels

    Got to say, I agree with you on some points. If only he took the tact of Louis C.K. who used his being a Dad to make his shit arguably MORE hardcore (dude basically hates all children and treats them as no less than mentally retarted). That being said, Patton still has an edge; he just needs it to be brought out of him. Listen to his appearences on Doug Benson's "I Love Movies" podcast; he's easily the best guest. He should also get back with the "Comedians of Comedy" since they seem to bring out the best of each other.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Punching Oswalt Hard

    by BoE

    I would never punch Patton because I would hurt my soft white hands. However, had I not been born so frail, I would seek him out every day for the rest of my life just so I could plant one square on that that pudgy, impish, sneering, geek mug of his. And then I would steal his prozac. That is the secret behind big fan - save all that underdog, anti-hero nonsense for the new yorker - the movie is all about punching Patton in the face...really hard. I'll see it in theaters out of respect, but what I'm really looking forward to is watching the sweet brutality unfold over and over and over again in frame by delicious frame slo-mo on my home theater.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Yabels

    by BoE

    Agreed - he is a great guest on the Greatest Show as well. And it doesn't end there - he is a genuinely sweet and unaffected guy. I've always thought of him as David Cross' friendlier, nerdier kid brother (and I love Cross). His interview with the dude from Troll 2 (on youtube) is a great example of how affable and winning he can be. It would be nice to see him on the road again with the CoC crew. I'd like to see him recruit some new talent for that tour as well - get some guys like Swardson in the mix.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by ebonic_plague

    Amen. Perfectly fucking illustrated with dickless's comment after yours, too. I doubt anyone who is a recent visitor to the site could comprehend exactly how much more worthwhile talkback was, compared to the sad caricature it's become. You just can't go home again.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by BoE

    Yeah, the only thing is, the obsessed movie nerds have become industry tools - witness the pathetic "back and forth" on Avatar. Legions of witless fanboys denying the apparent in an inflamed chorus of onanistic indignation. Lame.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by BoE

    Actually, before Oswalt, I'd hit ebonic_plague. You can't go home again? Please, dude. I've been coming here for around a decade myself and the talkbacks are pretty much the same as they have ever been - you guys lamenting the way things once were are really experiencing the passing of your misspent youth. Drag your ass outside and meet a girl.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    BoE

    by ebonic_plague

    I'd put money down that the only punches you've ever thrown are of the virtual variety. You're right about one thing, though, I suppose if I went back and read some of your decade-old contributions to AICN, I'd recognize that asshats like you have always been polluting the place. And why go outside when your sister makes housecalls?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by CAMERONDIAZ_ZITBEARD

    You said "it drinks my milkshake man." <p><p><p> Dude, you are such a fucking loser, and your ridiculous paean to the old days that never were! The talk back has always been a cess pool of immaturity and lack of taste, of which you are a perfect example! You've no taste, at all. While I agree that most talkbackers are morons, the problem lies in the fact that I lump you in with those morons. You're actually not stupid, you just have awful taste in films, which is a form of stupidity. <p><p><p> That said, Big Fan is awful. The first twenty minutes or so are okay, but the movie goes where it really shouldn't and makes it sci-fi. The third act, you could not give two shits what happens. Oswalt is not great, but he's not terrible in it, though he can't emote or really handle the more dramatic aspects of the film. Granted, the script is really bad, but a good actor could have elevated the film. Oswalt has the right look, but as I said, he can't really act when he goes outside himself. Bad film. Stay away from Big Fan, it is a true mess and nowhere near as good as The Wrestler, which was HEAVILY re-written by Aronofsky. Don't believe the hype.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    You both sound like fucking fags...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    And that's an insult to gays. Is this behavior suppose to be in relation to dick measuring? Suck it up.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    preview nailed the sports call-in

    by rartus

    When I started listening to Jim Rome, I got caught up in the Jungle atmosphere. I spent some time thinking of smack to call-in, and later found out that's how my Pastor killed down time in college. <>Seeing Patton's character jot down notes immediately hit me, that's what the reg. callers do to get on the air

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    hate the reality/love the concept

    by rartus

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Hey, ebonic_plague - I'm sorry

    by BoE

    You are right...these talkbacks were much better before hateful haters like me had to come along and ruin everything for well meaning nerdly nerds such as yourself. Why do we do it? Why can't we see what a genius JC is? Why can't we all love Avatar and the beautifully rendered Na'vi and the profoundly original story about the environment and mech suits and adventure and dragon flying and wise, furry blue animal friends? It is all there, just waiting for us to embrace and enjoy and instead we ruin it all with our lies. Why can't I love like you love ebonic_plague? Blindly, proudly, unquestioningly?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, also

    by BoE

    Patton has excellent taste - I don't agree with all of it, but I appreciate his range. Unlike some of you sad cases who can't stand to get outside of your action figure comfort zone, Patton (by no means a sports enthusiast) gets behind great under appreciated programs like Friday Night Lights. It fascinates me to hear you guys yammer on endlessly about Dr. Who or Torchwood or The Sarah Connor Chronicles or Firefly (really? still?) and entirely miss brilliant entertainment like FNL.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Mr. Beaks And Patton Oswalt Discuss BIG LOB?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    What? Big Fan? Awwwwwww~!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka is right

    by filmweasel

    I agree with everything he said, but I would also add that the de-evolution of user commentary online is not just taking place on geek related sites. It is happening everywhere. Since everybody now has a voice, many talkbackers resort to name calling, and childish behavior in order to get attention. The advent of myspace, facebook, and twitter have only made it worse. People resort to increasingly shocking comments in order to impress and to keep their "audience".

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    "Why can't we see what a genius JC is?"....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    I love Jesus Christ.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Good job, cheyne_stoking_DMS

    by BoE

    way to sniff out the clearly implied reference and make it explicit...really great...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    PROFESSOR DEMENTOR!!!!!!!!!!

    by DerLanghaarige

    And I demand the Joe Dante Show NOW!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    CAMERONDIAZ_ZITBEARD

    by BadMrWonka

    the drinks my milkshake line was great, and you know it. let's just agree that you know it, but can't admit it.<p> my taste may differ from yours, but your complete dismissal is exactly what I'm talking about. my favorite movie is Lawrence of Arabia. now, you might hate that movie, and you might hate my taste because I like it, but the talkbacks used to be about DEBATE. if a LAwrence of Arabia talkback came up, I would be excited for two reasons: 1. I could discuss how great the movie was with others who appreciate it. and 2, I could defend it against those who wanted to deride it.<p>that's fun, that's being a movie geek, that's being engaged. the mindless insults, the personal attacks with NO bearing whatsoever on anything movie-related, that is what the talkbacks have become. THIS SUCK! THAT SUCKS! YOU SUCK!! I know we always insulted each other, we used crude references, I was there, I understand that all of that went down same as now. but it wasn't ALL there was, it was just the way we talked to each other. <p>all that's left are people who throw around the same lexicon, but don't really love movies or have any interest in delving into cinema and the fun it provides.<p>and not for nothing, but what on EARTH do you know about my taste in films? I barely remember talking to you about ANYTHING except Patton. and when I asked you about your "insider" job in Hollywood that alluded to, you even stopped talking to me about that. <p>here's a crash course, to catch you up, so that next time you insult my taste, you can actually have some references: I don't like Michael Bay, period. I like Soderbergh a lot, but much more when he's being a little more commercial (Traffic, Out of Sight, Solaris) rather than experimentational for its own sake (Full Frontal, Bubble). I love Michel Gondry, but I didn't like Be Kind Rewind all that much. I love Spike Jonze, I love David Fincher (even Panic Room was fn, but not as great as his other stuff....still haven't seen Benjamin Button, though I have it on bluray), I love old noir like The Big Sleep, my favorite Coen brothers movie is Raising Arizona, followed by The Big Lebowski. I made it through film school, but never got into the super auteur stuff like Bunuel. my favorite movie of the last 5 years was "The Fall" by Tarsem. Defending Your Life, by Albert Brooks, is one of my all time favorites.<p>there you go, off the top of my head. feel free to insult away, I've long since given up on talking about movies or anything interesting with you. just had to clarify how you were proving my point about the talkbacks.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Thanks, I'm here all night....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    No one gives a shit about your two cents

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    on talkbacks. Just like no one gives a shit about this one. Harry and the rest of the mascots don't give a fuck about your analyzing what the site has "become."

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    And please don't be that guy....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    the snotty little prick who always claims "They were here before you were." It's pathetic and it's how wars start, my friend.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Love Drag me to Hell AND Patton Oswalt.

    by GimmeABreak

    Give this interview a thumbs up. Definitely checking out "Big Fan" on Saturday.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Wait so Patton Oswalt

    by Series7

    Was the fucking annoying dude spamming all the threads telling people to watch Drag Me to Hell <P> NoDiggity <P> I could have sworn that he was Sam's intern or something.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    the de-evolution of user commentary online

    by Series7

    Is going downhill because you can comment on every god damn thing on the internet. So it loses its value in your mind. Back when you could only comment on facebook walls. And you could only just deleate the whole wall not specific post (pretty much back when facebook was cool). Comments stuck. Now its like you have a new wall every day. Just like this, you get like 10 new threads a day so what you say goes away quickly.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Oh, so you're spoiling for an Avatar slap-fight

    by ebonic_plague

    Good luck with that. And I like FNL too. But carry on with the smarmyness.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Yeah, all you bastards that haven't done so, go see THE HAMMER

    by YackBacker

    Oswaldo will warm your soul.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Well made, well acted and I'll still pass...

    by BurnHollywood

    Why the hell do I want to pay ten bucks to kick the chair in front of me for two hours yelling, "Sue the fucker, Oswalt!" at the screen?

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    "Tastes a little bit...

    by CMan

    ...like horseshit, doesn't it?" Defending Your Life is the greatest movie about the afterlife and the big ol' universe machine. Good taste Wonka.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the TRAILERS FROM HELL tip!

    by sideshowrob

    Hadnt heard of TFH before. This is my new fave vice....Must've been snoozing.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    When is the wide release coming?

    by anonymoose

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    My $10;00 says Oswalt is......

    by DrMorbius

    AssimovLives. He plays the part of a Douchebag to perfection!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    anonymoose

    by mrbeaks

    It starts expanding next week. http://www.bigfanmovie.com/showtimes.html

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    drag me to hell

    by stanleywayne

    yeah I'm gonna watch that now !

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Spence from King of Queens, minus the football

    by Heckles

    So maybe it wasn't too much of a stretch.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    No Questions About CAPRICA, Beaks?

    by Leto III

    ...Dammit. Just the thought of Cumpston crossing over into the BSG universe is enough to get my man-pussy sloppy wet.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by CAMERONDIAZ_ZITBEARD

    Dude, your milkshake line was bad, it made me groan out loud it was so cheesy whilst trying to be hip and cool. Listen, no wonder your scripts never sold or got made, if you think that is clever writing or a witty rejoinder, you're beyond help. Only a loser would employ such a "witticism." <p><p> As for your taste, again, atrocious. For some reason you feel the need to justify yourself to me. Why, I have no idea. <p><p> Your favorite movie is Lawrence of Arabia. How original! Why not just cite Citizen Kane and be done with it? <p><p> Never said I was a Hollywood insider, I said I was in the industry. Big difference. I'm not some fucking exec, I work in Hollywood, period. And the reason I didn't answer you is cause a) it doesn't matter what I say and b) unlike you, I don't feel the need to justify myself to others. That is a trait reserved for young, immature people, of which you seem to be a founding member. <p><p> Wow, you don't like Michael Bay, way to go out on a limb! Wow, you like Soderbergh, but only the mainstream shit he does, way to blaze a trail there! Spike Jonze is awesome! I love him too! Nah, just kidding, Spike Jonze stinks. He made one okay movie and one bad movie, therefore he is not even worthy of discussion. He has no body of work outside his cutesy music video work. David Fincher. A guy who started out great and now just churns out shit. So of course you love him, but not enough to see Button in theaters. Coen Brothers. Of course you pick their two most popular comedies as your favorites. Why? Cause you're a mainstream hack with awful taste. Which is why you love Defending Your Life, another cutesy movie that amounts to nothing. A mere piffle. And you love Tarsem, another music video guy. Yeah, you know what Wonka, your taste is impeccable!!! <p><p> God forbid someone like David Cronenberg, or Michael Mann, or Werner Herzog, or Jean Luc Godard, or David Lynch, or Mike Figgis, or Robert Altman, or Mike Leigh make your list. I guess they're a little too out there for someone with such good taste as you? Fuck off you film school nerd with your bullshit mainstream taste. Why even bring up Michael Bay in a film discussion? I'll tell you why, cause you're one of the TB'ers you decry, an immature fool who gets into pissing matches about a shitbag like Bay? YOU are the reason people hate TB'ers.<p><p> Why did Spielberg not make your list? Most film school morons idolize Spielberg, so I figured you would too. Not liking Spielberg is probably the only good taste you will ever have.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    CAMERONDIAZ_ZITBEARD

    by BadMrWonka

    you're an angry little man, brother. and no, I'm not the reason people hat TB'ers, I'm sorry to say. and if it bothers you to hear about what things used to be like, well, tough. there are lots of people who are still here, and they all feel the same, I'm not some anomalous whiner. I'm part of a community of whiners!<p>but I do love you calling me out for being cheesy and pretentious for the milkshake line (which was obviously cheesy and pretentious) and just a little bit later dropping the phrase, "a mere piffle" on us. that made me laugh out loud, so thank you. and I had a tough day losing 2 hours of editing because my screen froze during rendering. I needed a laugh.<p>you can always count on the angriest, meanest people to be the most contradictory, and it's oh so great.<p>oh, and I love Last of the Mohicans, but after how HORRIBLE the digital footage looked in Public Enemies, Mann has a long way to climb back into my good graces. and I've never liked Altman, although The Player has a lot of funny moments. and if you chalk Tarsem up to "a music video director", you have obviously not seen The Fall. whatever you think about me, you really should see it. if nothing else, you can have fun with your massive and inexplicable BadMrWonka hate boner while you watch it, you angry doofus.<p>-Mainstream Hack with Awful Taste

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    "Welcome to Patton Oswalt Week"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Please, someone wake me next week.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Oswalt - Big FNL fan!

    by Flippadippa

    Patton's not a sports fan, but he loves Friday Night Lights. Like a lot of people, he wrote the show off as 90210 meets JV football, and later learned his lesson: http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2007/08/patton-oswalts-.html

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    if I count as a mascot

    by Vern

    I give a shit about Wonka's 2 cents. It's true that there have always been dumb belligerent assholes in talkbacks, and lots of them. But according to my independent research those rare, courageous talkbackers who actually try to have a worthwhile discussion of fucking ANYTHING were never as endangered as they are now. They're like pandas, they just don't have it in them to fuck anymore.<p> I mean I'm not familiar with this Cheyne guy so I won't write him off, but I gotta admit it looks like IDIOCRACY when two people are intelligently discussing something so the third guy says they "sound like fags" and leaves it at that. There's been moronic shit like that as long as I've been here but at one point you had to wade through it, now you are deep on the bottom of the ocean trying to spot sunlight somewhere so you can try to swim up and catch your breath.<p> In conclusion, I am looking forward to Big Fan because of the idea that he's an obsessive sports fan who gets beat up by his favorite player. That actually sounds really funny but it's interesting that they say it's more of a drama.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by Vern

    also meant to mention that the talkback of INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS was really good, or the part of it I read anyway. Lots of points were made that I hadn't thought of, and it was great to see people excited about something in this world where it seems like everyone's goal in life is to be the one who hates the most things with the most venom. Gave me more faith in talkbacks and pandas.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I come to this site so I can be a belligerent asshole!

    by blackmantis

    There are other forums I go to where people actually have brains i can respect and can discuss filmmaking in a sane, thoughtful manner. But when I really just want to be a dickhead, I come here and get it out of my system.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Fighting a losing battle

    by OfficerJunior

    In a utopian tb, we would all discuss character nuances, cinematic themes, and having generally constructive conversation about film and tv. We would abandon personal insults, simple unexplained hate, obvious flaming. Unfortunately, i just don't see it happening. AICN talkback is just a different animal now. All we can do is promote these kind of conversations and not fan the flames of ignorant comments. oh and .... your mother.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Mantis,

    by OfficerJunior

    Where are these forums located?

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by BadMrWonka

    that's a good way to put it. there were always crappy, negative people in the talkbacks, but they were in the minority. if someone was just a negative, non-contributing jerk, they'd be shouted down by all the geeks and movie fans who wanted to discuss things. now, it's sort of the reverse, as you pointed out. and the end result of that is that people are less inclined to actually use the talkbacks to discuss anything. they're just sort of this depository where people sign in, type "[insert topic] sucks!!" and go about their business.<p>you know what's funny though? I can't be too mad at cheyne_stoking_blah blah because he made me chuckle when he wrote this:<p> Please don't be the snotty little prick who always claims "They were here before you were."<p>why put the quotation marks in if you were just going to continue your sentence? it's like writing, My girlfriend told me "She loves me."<p>you can't really be mad at someone who can barely write. and you certainly can't expect them to talk intelligently about film. but as you pointed out, they're no longer the exception, they're the rule.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    BadWonka

    by OfficerJunior

    Do you think there are solutions to this? I was thinking maybe pre screening, but that's a little extreme I think. Any ideas?

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    OfficerJunior

    by BadMrWonka

    nothing like that. I think maybe if someone is truly a useless jerk, there should be some more liberal banning. but of course, that's a slippery slope, for sure.

  • Aug. 30, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    The immaturity is the best part.

    by MacReady452

    Wonka..respek for at least having the guts to lay your likes and dislikes on the table. I always think these back and forths would be more fun to know where each side is coming from. that being said "Hollywood insiders" are the worst part of the talkbacks cause they always feel like they know more or their opinions are more valid. It just rings so false. When it comes to movies..yeah i call them movies not films..I want to be entertained. When I come to this site I want to be entertained. I laugh my ass off every time I see GibsonUSA post something about BIG LOB. That is funny. If your talking over everyones head then your the only one up there to hear yourself. That is why a bad movie is better than a brilliant movie. We all saw it and we can all discuss, criticize and praise. I'll take UHF over There will be Blood anyday. AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DISAGREE!!! (kidding. disagreeing makes the world go round.)

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Office Junior

    by blackmantis

    I hang out at Dvxuser a lot, mostly good people there...but it's heavily moderated. No personal insults or discussion of religion or politics is allowed or tolerated.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    B-word Fat

    by drewlicious

    When he went into that routine on Conan a while ago I couldn't stop laughing for a half hour. One of the funniest guys working even if he says something I disagree with. I recall him riffing on the Good Will Hunting screenplay but I let it slide becase it was in the middle of a rant about the apocalypse and I was laughing to hard to care.

  • Aug. 31, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Political talkbacks are worse by the way....

    by drewlicious

    Go to the Huffingtonpost, Newsbusters, Daily Kos, and Breitbart to see some really atrocious internet behavior. You'd almost swear one of these guys would stab you in the eye at the dinner table because you didn't vote for their guy in the last election. Moviebuffs have nothing on some of these freaks.