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Behold Sigourney Weaver As A Na'vi!!

Published at: Aug. 26, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...
Empire has an article about AVATAR featuring a few images we haven't seen yet - notably Sigourney Weaver's Na'vi Avatar in the film. I believe this was in the recent AVATAR Day footage - but since I couldn't see it... because it wasn't playing here..a humiliating emasculation of my Geekiness... Said images have no gone online over at MarketSaw. Here's Sigourney...
You can find more shots at MarketSaw (HERE). The MarketSaw piece clearly indicates that these are scans of the article, so forgive picture quality issues.

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  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    gentlemen? where is dr weird?

    by compn

    behold!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    YAY!

    by Bag_of_Hammers

    More blue cat people for furrie freaks to fap too!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    ...is it just me...or does Avatar look kinda...

    by TheSlapBetCommisioner

    gay?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Empire

    by dvdmike

    They are fron the new Empire I got my subscriber issue yesterday

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Cheetara? Smurfette?

    by YackBacker

    I'm not a hater, but the more Na'vi I see, the sillier this thing feels.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Gentlemen! I give you .... MORE corn!

    by manifestchaos

    hahahahaha it's not different at all, is it Steve!?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Sexy

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    That is all.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    How does a print publication

    by skimn

    get these scoops in this day and age? Amazing...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Seriously, where is the mindblowing effects?

    by TheSlapBetCommisioner

    It just looks kinda like Ferngully

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ...Where ARE the mindblowing effects?

    by TheSlapBetCommisioner

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Nein Nein Nein

    by peagreenboy

    Just Stop! We've all seen the trailer and the fifteen minute preview! It's fucking boring and we don't give a shit anymore!! Ferngully meets the friggin Smurfs. YAWN

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    "Get away from her you B'itch"

    by skimn

    Someone had to say it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    peagreenboy

    by TheSlapBetCommisioner

    Ferngully meets District 9 meets the Fockers

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Saw the Avatar Day preview. Looked GREAT!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    On 3D Imax this is truely amazing. Trust.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Still unimpressed

    by donkey_lasher

    My eyeballs shall remain chaste well into 2010

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Looks Stupid

    by medicinaluser

    Nuff Said

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Here we go again...

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Niche movie

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The preview looked like a videogame to me. Sure, there was a lot of detail and clear signs of imagination at work, but had that in the backgrounds for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, too. I'm sure it's going to be mind-blowing on IMAX 3D, and maybe eventually seen as a "game-changer," but since the nearest IMAX screen to me is still an hour's drive, I don't think I'm ever gonna see this the way it should be seen for full effect. The most expensive and technically accomplished arthouse movie of all time.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Effects

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    The fact that you have to ask where the mind-blowing effects are at proves how amazing they are. Seriously, if it's not grim and dark and dirty and gritty it's automatically silly and lame and bad. Anyone who complains about the "juvenile" designs betrays their own narrow minded and stunted development as a human being.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Bosh!

    by Tr2n

    and JC Hits it outta the park! I think there may be a few retractions from the naysayers come september...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    My local IMAX is running Christmas Carol

    by skimn

    in 3D, prolly cuz The Polar Express made a fortune. So will non-IMAX 3D violate my eyes in the same way?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    ER!

    by Tr2n

    lets make that december...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    If this is 'Dances with Wolves' in space....

    by SmokingRobot

    I swear to God I will burn my local theater to the ground.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome!

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    "The fact that you have to ask where the mind-blowing effects ar

    by Dhaemon

    LMFAO! Rose tinted glasses indeed...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace - Attack of the Clones - Revenge of the Sith

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    what is new here? Avatar is not doing anything that we haven't seen before. right?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    SmokingRobot

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Better get those torches ready...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Can. Not. Wait!

    by The Gospel According to Bastardface

    Seriously.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    If this thing flops...

    by scnjedi

    It'll be a $350 million career killer

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Avatar

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Will reinvent the way movies are experienced <P>Epic masterpiece<P> mind-blowing<P> Photo-real<P>Jaw-dropping<P>CGI unlike anything you have seen before<P> Like dreaming with your eyes open<P> Revolutionary<P> Cameron's Lawrence of Arabia<P>Game-changer<P>This generation's Stars Wars<P> Unlike anything you have seen before<P> Truly amazing<P> Prepare to be blown away<P> Breathtaking <P>Like a highly addictive drug that had left my mind yearning for more<P> Can't stop dreaming about it<P> This movie had activated parts of my brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films<P>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    The preview was awesome,breathtaking,extraordinary

    by ominus

    Sigourneys Navi was like looking her with makeup.Like bonahma-carter as ape in the POTA remake. <p>The haters may continue their idiocy as long as they want,but they can not change the fact,and i mean FACT,that the use of motion capture and cgi in avatar,has been very excellent in creating the navi characters as alive,expressive,motional and soulful.IMHO Sigourneys navi is the best example of this terrific work,well at least from what i saw in the preview. <p>my sympathies haters.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Okay, it's her if you say so.

    by Ingeld

    At what point is it no longer Sigourney Weaver? If they redraw her face to look like the Statue of Liberty's face, does that make it Sigourney Weaver too?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Hitler learns that the Avatar trailer sucks.

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Youtube Hitler hates Avatar teaser <P> http://tinyurl.com/n2w3uh <P>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist ugh!

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    knock that shit off. its old!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Detail in stills is great, but if it looks like a cartoon on scr

    by JuanSanchez

    fuck the stills.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Wow, we should start counting . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . how many times the haters type "smurf" between now and opening night. LAME

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    not feeling this

    by juice willis

    not feeling this at all

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Simply amazing

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Anybody who clicks through that link or has the issue of Empire and STILL thinks the effects work is anything short of brilliant...you have no eye for detail. Those pics honestly don't look CG at all, they look like a make-up effect.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    on screen - that was meant to be on screen...

    by JuanSanchez

    sure would be nice if you could show us where our titles are gonna cut off, AICN.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    "Sigourneys Navi was like looking her with makeup.Like bonahma-carter as ape in the POTA remake." then why cg her at all. just put her in make-up and save $100 million dollars. this is cgi for cgi's sake. boring

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I said she is her with makeup

    by ominus

    which means she impersonates someone else as an actor in the movie.and i brought the paradigm of bonahma-carter in the Apes turd remake. <P>really guys u r not that idiots.u can easily understand the meaning of what i try to say about the films technical aspect. (even with my bad english)

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Weaver's blue alien looks like Bridget Fonda...

    by JuanSanchez

    Zoe Saldana's blue alien looks like Uma Thurman.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Saw the 16 minute preview in IMAX 3D

    by Mr_SugarPants

    And it was friggin incredible. The trailer does the effects absolutely no justice. If you even the slightest interest in this film, you will be completely blown away when you see it in IMAX 3D. If you hate what you've seen in the trailer, you'll still be bitch slapped in IMAX. <br> <br> Honestly, James Cameron could make a movie about Space Bananas in love starring Michael Sera and Amanda Plummer and it would be awesome. Stop doubting and just wait...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Because no amount of make-up can make someone look ten feet tall, that's why.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    mark my words

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    this is Phantom Menace 2009. watch the hate flood in after this movie is released. it will be a repeat of 1999 all over again.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Na'vi?

    by mulberry

    She looks nothing like an Irish road/canal digger. <p> (that's navvy/navigational engineer for ye yankee doodles) <p> Glad somebody mentioned Cheetarah. Means I can do my "Thundercats 'ho" joke again.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    No "Posts out for attention Tranny" this Saturday!

    by ebonic_plague

    Smurfs, Thundercats, Delgo, Ferngully, totally joyless asshat talkback troll, etc, etc.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    they used "lifts" in boris karloffs shoes for frankenstein in the 1930's...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I hope the story engages more than the art-style

    by tomdolan04

    It does look very impressive (especially in 1080p) yet still remarkably cartoony which just leaves me cold. I like Cameron flicks because usually they splice high end CG artwork as well as plenty of practical real-action shots. <p> Sure, push the envelope as directors guys but what is that difficult to understand that sometimes with CGI one 'real' practically made model that carries weight and moves awkwardly and clunky (i.e. the dropship model in Aliens) is more involving to the audience than 1,000 small CG ships zipping about space firing guns at each other purely because it resonates as more physically true with the viewer

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Amanda Plummer? Wow, that was random.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    When it comes to effects work...

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    ...I generally get the impression that people don't know what they're looking at. It's certainly true that people have misconceptions about CG which taint they're expectations, and -- on top of that -- I think a lot of people are just not able to get past the bright color palate in this movie. Also, the Navi look cartoonish and juvenile to so many because -- for this type of creature design -- video games and cartoons like Ferngully are the only frame of reference available. Add to that the fact that the performance capture technology is beyond anything ever used before, and I think it's safe to say that many people are just not able to imagine what this experience will be like until they are actually sitting in the theater. And -- although not everyone will be able to see it in its intended mode of presentation -- I'm sure that just seeing the performances in the context of full scenes and moments, with or without the added depth of 3-D, will be something of a revelation.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Really diggin the idea behind these avatars...

    by knowthyself

    ...what if none of the Na'vi are real? What if they are all just humans in disguise?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by VicenzoV

    Blue was a bad choice.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The model ships in Aliens still look better than most CG

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Your comment about Karloff has no merit. Unless he was wearing 4 foot lifts.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Blue was a terrible choice.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Nerd why should we use at all makeup?

    by ominus

    lets do it like the ancient greek theater,where 3 men were doing all the characters.it worked then,it works now,its even more economical,why the hell not?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    knowthyself

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you just blew my mind!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    That still does NOT do justice to the Weav-atar

    by D.Vader

    Its pretty impressive just how much the Weavatar looks just like Sigourney Weaver when you see it acting and emoting.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    "Blue was a terrible choice"

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    You fucking cynical, jaded bastards. Why don't you live a little. "It's blue, I hate it! Waaahhh!"

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    It's not Weav-atar, it's Bridget Fond-atar

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi, ominus

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    if they did the navi as practical effects they would look more real than cgi because they are real. in 'lord of the rings' they make gandalf look 5 feet taller than bilbo. they didn't have to make a cgi gandalf to do it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Gandalf and Bilbo

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    And you can tell every time when he's composited into scenes. And when it's a forced perspective scene (in Bilbo's kitchen) it's painfully obvious Ian Holm is not really looking at Ian McKellen.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    She looks hot! So does Saldana!

    by Johnno

    The film really does feel like they are actors with makeup on, but it's impossible because the facial features of the Na'vi and Avatars are different from that of a normal human. Those stills look great and are indeed photorealistic! Watching them move and talk and actually show emotion on their face down to the finest skin detail, something tons of makeup will never accomplish, is extraordinary! These stills show us that the alien designs are indeed appealing (well depending on the angle sometimes they look odd). I'm betting this film will indeed find wide appeal! And thus I will conclude that Avatar will OWN YOUR ASSES!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Do we really need talkbacks on ANYthing?

    by gavdiggity

    Here's how they go- <P> "Looks like udder shite. LAWL."<P> "Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, I already know it'll be the biggest flop in cinematic history" <P> "Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, it'll be the single greatest event in the history of cinema." <P> "Meh. Just a ripoff of Thundercatsmurferngully." <P> "Weird political screed completely unrelated to this talkback." <P> "Bale!" <P> "Fail!" <P> "This was already posted on _____.com" <P> "Fuck this shit! Where's the _____ talkback?"

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah, those scenes were pretty bad. The depiction of the hobbits was a major failing of Jacksons trilogy, at no point did I think of Elijah Wood or Sean Astin as little people.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Could we combine Bale and Fail into one - Balefail?

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Well what choces did Cameron have with the skn colour?

    by ominus

    remember that 3d glasses cut a bit the color strenth,which is one of the reasons the movies cgi is so colorful.Now i dont from a cgi point of view he chose blue for the alien skin,i am not expert,but i believe it has to do with the rest of Pandoras colourful world: if he used green,we couldnt disguise them from the forests,yellow is too bright and couldnt tell their facial characteristics etc,orange and red are not very bright as colours,and so on,or maybe at the end it has to do that Cameron is an lover of the aquatic life,and since pandora is based on the oceans universe,blue is the coolest choice for him.just my thoughts,but a cgi expert should know more about this choice. <p>personaly i love the blue skin

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Juansanchez

    by gavdiggity

    No, we cannot... The BALE never fails.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by Johnno

    Let's see actors jump around and do tons of physical stunts and kung fu in platform shoes! Let see how well makeup will make their bodies elongated and thinner! Comparisons to Gandolf and fucking Frankenstien are hilarious, all those fuckers did while next to people and hobbits was walk slowly. You're not thinking! Look at the effects work and detail on the faces of the CG in the IMAX preview, or when this finally hits and tell me how in hell practical stuff would pull that off! It'll look silly and fake like a person with makeup on! But at least it'll have no trouble blending into the scenery, luckily Avatar doesn't suffer any problems from this either because of their amazing lighting engine and excellent CG work!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    It never ceases to amaze me...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...how geeks will fall all over themselves to praise the CG in the latest video games, but when they see an upgraded version of that same style of CG in movies, it is an affront to God and America and must be condemned with both barrels. Why is CG acceptable for video games, but the only acceptable method for visual FX in movies is what Harryhausen was doing damn near a century ago? Are you guys just trying to score easy points by jumping on Cameron for running his historically oversized mouth? Are you guys just habitual bitches who only get a pitiful semblance of joy from tearing down everything around you to make yourselves appear savvy?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Make that Sir Ian Holm and Sir Ian McKellen.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    gravdiggity - how about Failbale...

    by JuanSanchez

    as in something not living up to his standards?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Why oh Why, did Cameron decide to make this

    by AlienDragQueen

    instead of Battle Angel Alita

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Nerd they could even use muppets or plasticine

    by ominus

    They are making a CGI movie,and they use that specific art form,with its limitations and advantages, to tell their story. <p>u know CGI the thing that its the dominat tool to create vfs in a movie,and in the near or far future will replace all the old-fashioned sfx tools. <p>and i still havent figured out whats your fuckin point.

  • Guess we better write the whole fucking thing off then huh? Morons....

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    gavdiggity

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you forgot "fuck michael bay!"

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    You guys are morons. No, you guys are morons. No...

    by JuanSanchez

    you guys are morons. Some like this, some don't, some don't know yet - do we need the name calling?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    ominus, Johnno

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    my point is that this looks like Phantom Menace. a cartoon with live action people mixed in. the navi are no different than jar jar binks. im really not trying to hate on avatar, its just that i think cgi is not the end all be all. "look how photo realistic it is! look at the lighting!" yeah, and you know what? it doesn't look photo realistic at all. it looks like a cartoon.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I'm certainly not arguing with the fact that a person may not like the design elements, I'm just voicing my disbelief that people still say the effects work look bad. I don't understand how anyone can say that having seen these screens and the IMAX footage.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    In the 10 years since Binks, CGI figures haven't improved.

    by venvariants

    I mean - the trailer looks awesome and all...but it still looks totally fakey/animated. We'll see - King Kong was better than it first looked too, so...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi - some people don't like Van Halen...

    by JuanSanchez

    I don't understand that. I will never understand that. But it is what it is.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    cgi is ok for video games because all video games are cgi! movies are not.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    What Delgo

    by TheKGB

    Character is like her?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Nerd

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    http://tinyurl.com/m9p2uj That doesn't look real to you? What is it about that image in particular that doesn't look real?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Real Sigourney: Hot. CGI Sigourney: Not So Hot.

    by WriteFromLeft

    They couldn't have achieved pretty much the same thing with some blue greasepaint and contact lenses? It would have looked better. Remember Sigourney as the sexy demon in Ghostbusters II? That I paid money for. Avatar...maybe I'll catch it on an LA to NY flight someday. I'm now an official member of CGIA: Computer Generated Imagery Anonymous. I've gone cold turkey. Except for Pixar. They know better than to mix live action with CGI imagery.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by gavdiggity

    actually, in THAT case, BALEfail would make sense. <P> Let's make this happen, people. Your lord and savior demands it, all praise be to Bale.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The story might very well suck ass...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>...but we'll just have to wait and see.</p> <p>As for the cgi itself, I just cannot take anyone seriously who looks at those stills and has seen the 3D Imax presentation and still doesn't think this is some of the best cgi ever.</p> <p>It might not be THE best, but it certainly stands shoulder-to-shoulder with anything else that can be considered such.</p> <p>I don't know if the cgi is any kind of a "game-changer", but anyone who says this looks anything remotely like shit is just not being serious in the least, because those characters look phenomenal.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    the still images look realistic. just like the still images from the cg1 final fantasy movie looked real years and years ago. but, when you see it in motion it looks like a cartoon. just like the final fantasy movie did.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Lenny

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    In my opinion I think they nailed the eyes and teeth. And you can trust me when I say this, I saw the IMAX footage. I'm not just basing this off screencaps.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Nope it doesnt look like Phantom Menace

    by ominus

    and define the what do u mean it looks like cartoon? it looks likes bug bunny in cgi? thundercats in cgi? like T-1000 in T2? like the dinosaurs of JP? like videogame graphics? cartoony like what?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I think it's the eyes

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Looking at those pics there is an amazing amount of detail...but those eyes...those giant fucking anime eyes are what totally screams cartoon.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    WriteFromLeft

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    my point exactly

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    WriteFromLeft

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"They know better than to mix live action with CGI imagery."</p> <p>Except that's exactly what they're doing with JOHN CARTER OF MARS.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Nerd

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    That's the thing though, I have seen them in motion and they look real.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    i like van halen

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    only with dave though.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    If eyes are the windows of our soul

    by ominus

    when what are the eyes for a cgi being? just getting philosophical here,ignore me

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Dave era was the best. I hope they can get the magic back.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i've seen the preview too and there is no way that the navi's movements are realistic. seeing the moving preview is what started to disappoint me about this movie. i liked what i was seeing up until i actually saw it in motion. then my reaction was: its a cartoon. its roger rabbit...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    God i love Sigourney Weaver

    by The_Ad_Wizard_Who_Came_Up_With_This_One

    Just that little thumbnail foto of her... those eyes! <p> Magic!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    My point is you can't use an opinion, aka personal taste, as an argument against quality. And the quality of the work on this film is the very highest.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I DIDN'T KNOW THE SIGOURNEY WAS IN AVATAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    Respect to JC for casting her.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    the quality of the animation is great

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    and the effects look great too. it just does not look real.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    not realistic

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Okay so the the fact that all the Na'vi movements were actually performed in real life and motion-captured translates to not looking real? This just in, real life people are actually computer constructs!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    NRRS, no FX are perfect.

    by ebonic_plague

    No special effects look real, from the Thing to LOTR to Avatar. There are visible seams in every method of FX, whether you want to admit it or not. Since fake visual effects can't be as perfect as live action, should filmmakers stop trying to use and improve the technology for movies? I don't want to see another big muppet/stop action movie, I'm glad someone is trying to improve the CGI/live action integration, and I'm thrilled that it's Cameron. I think you guys who write off this movie as cartoony because of the CGI would not be satisfied with any method of portraying a 10-foot tall blue alien inhabited world, period.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>What specifically was unrealistic about it to you? This is a serious question...I am not attacking your opinion, I am just legitimately curious.</p> <p>To me, they didn't exactly move like humans...but then again, they aren't humans. That said, I thought they moved with weight, and seemed fully integrated into their environments.</p> <p>I think it is their fully intentional cat-like grace that has some people convinced they aren't moving "realistically", i.e. like humans, so I am curious to hear your specific thoughts.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Did AICN invest in this movie?

    by Heckles

    I can't wait until it comes out so I stop hearing about it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Sigourney

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i like her, but you have to admit. she is a bit man-ish

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Awww man

    by Series7

    I was hoping she was blue.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Cameron built this up like crazy...

    by JuanSanchez

    now it's not meeting expectations. That's his fault. I'm not saying nor have I ever said the CG sucked or was inferior, but he claimed this was a whole new level and it's not.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Nerd u wrong

    by ominus

    The motion of the navi is the best thing in the preview.You can tell whatever you want about the photorealism of the cgi etc,but the navi movements were remarkable.And there is a lot of detail in that. <p>I have watched the trailer for 100 times and i have started finding out small details that i wasnt aware before: in the water tank,the 'sleeping' navi,he has his eyes and mouth flickering like he watches a dream.in the end when the 2 navi move their head towards each,other u can see Neuteris mouth closing a bit,a small detail but is that detail that makes that romantic scene with those two,like it was real with real people. <P>The movies technology RAWKS,simply as that.now it remains to see if its a good story too.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I haven't found Weaver truly hot since Ghostbusters.

    by JuanSanchez

    From Alien 3 on it was all downhill. Then came Resurrection where they covered her increasingly leathery 50-year-old hide in goo for some reason.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    The weakness of the Na'vi design: the mouths

    by GiggityGoo

    You know, I've been reading a lot about how people don't like the design of the Na'vi. I haven't hated the look, but it hasn't wowed me either. But I think I just figured out what's not working for me: although the upper face is "otherworldly", the lower half is just too normally human. Human mouth, human teeth (apart from the fangs I saw in the trailer), human jawline. The bottom of the face doesn't reflect the alien nature of the upper part.<p>And I guess I don't like the human hairlines, either. But that's a smaller nitpick.<p>Anyway, I'm still eagerly awaiting the movie. Can't wait to see some well-executed digital 3D!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    The whole new level

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Cameron claimed was in reference to the technology they used to shoot it, not the software they used to render it. And in that respect he was correct.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi, GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    they move in a very over-exaggerated, unrealistic way that i associate with animation. just because something is motion captured does not make it real. the animators still fiddle with the motion. have you guys seen the trailor? the movements are totally animated looking. like i said before, its great looking, but not realistic looking. if cameron is making an animated movie like roger rabbit then that is fine. but, this is being sold as "photo-realistic and game changing". and so far i have seen neither of those things. and i am not going to pay $15 to see this in fake imax and i don't care about 3-d. those things are gimmicks. i want a great movie with a great story...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I can see why FIlmmakers turn on FANBOYS.

    by snakecharmer

    Some of you are annoying bitches.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    No nerd u r wrong

    by ominus

    the motion capture is 100% accurate,which means they have captured all the bone and muscle movements.maybe the problem is with the cgi skin which dresses those movements and not with the movement itself.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Someone better give me a reason to see this movie

    by aldentre

    because so far all I've seen is garbage.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    If you don't think this will be mind blowing

    by theplant

    FUCK OFF

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>You can't lump your responses to me and Koyaanisqatsi in the same post, because my argument for their "Realism" is totally different from the one he is making. Motion capture has nothing to do what what I was saying. My point is that maybe they seem like thet don't move "realistically" because, as you said, the animators fiddled with the mo-cap to make them move with a certain feline grace, which makes sense since they are obviously very cat-like in appearance.</p> <p>Please define more specifically what you mean by "over-exaggerated" and "unrealistic", because, I'm telling you, I bet a lot of what you are having problems with was fully intentional.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    WEAVER... And Thin LIPS...

    by TheBLIGHT

    Nice. Weaver is an icon... Still remember seeing her in them little panties-n-top (yum) in ALIEN... But, she has some pretty THIN LIPS (no jokes please)... Good to see the narrow pucker is reflected in her Na'vi, otherwise it aint SW.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Nerd

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Imagine a planet with different gravity, a different atmosphere and totally alien biology. Is it so hard to believe that an alien species out there on said imaginary planet actually moves like these Na'vi move? Any fan of true sci-fi knows that you cannot rule anything out at all.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    wow no smurfs or thundercats or ferngully jokes???

    by Six Demon Bag

    you guys must be tired...<P>oh wait i see the fucking 5th post did...<P>thanks yack!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I think that when it comes to AVATAR and AICN...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the mixture of cynicism, misinformation, and piss poor rationalizations are truly unique. Once again, AICN Talkback proves itself to be a waste bag of asshatery.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    More succinctly put, how is a humanoid cat supposed to move?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Still Ferngully

    by catlettuce4

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Aldentre, DON'T go see it.

    by ebonic_plague

    Do us all a favor and save your money for a pasttime you actually enjoy.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Feline grace

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    The actors playing Na'vi actually spent weeks in a dehumanization training camp. They actually learned how to not walk and act in ways that are typically human.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by CharyouTree

    I've not seen the 15 mins preview so I'm just wondering, is it because of the gravity on Pandora? Because of their lithe feline bodies making them more acrobatic? or is it just really cartoony movement? I'll be disappointed if so

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    snakecharmer, theplant

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    sorry, but cameron invited this level of scrutiny by making the hyperbolic claims that he made. i don't care if cameron turns against me. ive never met the man

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    And will someone please ban Trannyformers_Apologist?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    He's nothing more than a spam-bot.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    BTW, I have not only seen the trailer but also the 3D Imax presentation on Friday.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Source? Links please.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    totally, i get that. but, they did essentially the same thing in the first matrix movie and made it look realistic

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    typically *not* human.

    by Koyaanisqatsi

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Isn't it about time.....

    by DrMorbius

    ...you guys stopped feeding the trolls?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage I think you're mistaken

    by D.Vader

    There really is NOT many instances in the trailer where you get to see them moving. The only scenes we get of that are: Worthington Avatar moving toward the window- which looks bad bc they gave it that fake slo-mo trailer look, the girl Navi jumping into the scene- which doesn't look animated bc its just a body falling in slow-motion, and then the scene where one jumps onto the back of the dragon. <p> There are really no instances where we get to see them move as they are acting. My point is this: we've seen way too little from the trailer to conclude that their movements are unrealistic. If they had included any of the scenes from the 16 minute screening, then I might agree with you, but they didn't.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Cameron made no exaggerating claims

    by ominus

    at least try to keep your facts straight.now try your next excuse to trash the movie.excuse not argument.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    yes! i am so sick of Trannyformers_Apologist posting the same fucking message in every single talk-back on this site. ever since people stopped talking about transformers he has had nothing to say. ban that bitch!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Saw Harry on clash of the titans

    by Talkbacker with no name

    a few days back. Can't wait for the report.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    First Matrix was mostly wire-work, though. Yeah, there was some "bullet-time" but that was still live-action photography. The cgi character stuff in the second Matrix was pretty disappointing after the incredible first film. To me, this shit in Avatar looks pretty well-done.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    There are going to be a lot of red faces come december

    by Talkbacker with no name

    to quote sam worthington "I read all what was said yesterday about the, about the trailer. I can see their point. But as I said, it wasn’t meant to be built for an Apple Mac. It’s built for IMAX. It’s built for 3D. That’s what he’s designed it for. He’s designed it to bring people back to the cinema." that says it all really

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    The teaser was VERY underwhelming.

    by Royston Lodge

    I downloaded the trailer, AND I saw the trailer before Inglourious Basterds.<p> It was very underwhelming. The full-CGI scenes were very reminiscent of The Phantom Menace.<p> From all the hype, I was hoping Cameron had managed to bridge the Uncanny Valley. Nothing in the teaser seems to justify that hope.<p> Here's hoping the final product delivers as promised.<p> ASIDE: I think Cameron should cut together a special teaser just for AICN with a new tagline. "This November, prepare your eyeballs."

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Wowee fucking wow

    by 69DUDE

    This is shit.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I can't find the link now but there was an interview with Zoe Saldana sometime after comic-con where she said that they went through training. Like the Na'vi actors weren't allowed to nod their heads as a positive affirmation because it's a human gesture. Stuff like that.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i'm not just complaining about the navi movement specifically, but the whole over all look of the alien planet and its inhabitants. george lucas did not succeed at making cgi look real and i dont think cameron did either

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The problem with Trannyformers is...

    by D.Vader

    You could challenge him to find and post for us where all those "quotes" come from, and he would not be able to back himself up.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The art of Jim Burns crossed with Thomas Kinkade.

    by Dingbatty

    Oddly enough, Kinkade did background painting for Fire and Ice. He used the same color palette that he does in his dayglo/iridescent cheeseball landscapes.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Nerd

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    "george lucas did not succeed at making cgi look real and i dont think cameron did either" I'm sorry but I disagree. Pandora looks like a location and not an effect to my eyes.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Okay Nerd_Rage

    by D.Vader

    I've just seen too many people complain about how the Navi don't move realistically, and even if I hadn't seen the 16 minute preview, I'd still argue against those claims because there really aren't *any* scenes that showcase movement enough to be scrutinized.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"ASIDE: I think Cameron should cut together a special teaser just for AICN with a new tagline. 'This November, prepare your eyeballs.'"</p> <p>In all seriousness, what Cameron should do is release at least one of the clips from the 3D presentation online...I would say the jungle scene where Jake is being chased by the beast of prey. That would go a long way toward silencing many of the critics of the animation itself, IMO.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The Thundercats had human-like noses,

    by Dingbatty

    unlike the Naviaiaiaiaiiaiaia.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I'd say release the cliffside scene

    by D.Vader

    Well, actually that scene was the most effective, in my eyes, for the 3D presentation. <p> I wish they'd included the show of the jungle collapsing all around them. That shot was so fucking cool, I'm amazed it wasn't in the teaser!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    RIPLEY KILLING SPACE MARINES?

    by damiz707

    THATS HORRIBLE.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I DEFINITELY disagree with you on that last post. I happen to think the na'vi look and move fine, but I also think they are the LEAST realistic thing about the footage I have seen. When I watched the Imax presentation I was blown away by the environments. The jungle looks spectacular to me, particularly the nocturnal stuff, and the sequence where they try to take the flying beasts looked amazing. I think the creatures in the jungle sequences looked particularly great, too.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I'd guess they're scrambling to cut a new trailer right now.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Lamer and lamer

    by YO MOM'S GOAT

    Squared.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    So, how DO we market a 3D movie properly?

    by Royston Lodge

    If the 3D version is that much better than the teaser, how should directors market their movies?<p> Maybe Cameron should release a "magic eye" poster?<p> A downloadable Viewmaster reel?<p> Holograms?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I agree with you there. The Pandora effects are easily the most spectacular thing on display, it really looks like they picked up cameras and filmed on location on a distant planet.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Saying it's better 3D is like saying it's better drunk

    by felwithe

    If I have to do something special to make it not look like shit, you've failed.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    ominus???? Really?

    by Series7

    Because Cameron told the crowd at comic con, that this movie would help you shed 30 pounds in less then 2 weeks, without cutting into your diet!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I concur MNG

    by DoctorWho?

    It seems like there are maybe 5-6 posters on AICN who have a decent IQ and display clarity of thought. Some are amusing in their wit and insight but most are mouth breathing, knuckle dragging trolls who choose to hate on movies based on trailers or lack of R rating.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>I also think the cliffside scene was the most effective 3D showcase. But I think the first jungle scene, with the creature chase, and Jake trying to find cover, etc., was the most effective showcase of the animation and environments.</p> <p>But, yes, some of those quick glimpses of shots at the end of the presentation were insanely detailed and very cool-looking. I think they were probably from the second half of the film, which is why Cameron left them out..."no spoilers" as he said in the intro.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Horrible, horrible, horrible concepts throughout

    by mall_one

    This movie has some of the worst concepts I've ever seen. It looks like they got the guys who did the Star Wars prequels to do the designs. Seriously, that power suit is embarassing, especially compared to Distict 9's alien suit. If the concepts suck (ie the power suit, the Navi, the airships, monsters etc) then it doesn't mater how photoreal they look.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The haters are gonna look like idiots come December

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Can't wait!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The haters are gonna look like idiots come December

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Can't wait!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    My 12:50 post-

    by gavdiggity

    Is almost 100% accurate.<P> Thanks guys. No matter how crazy this topsy-turvy world can get, there are some things that are as predictable as the planets in their orbits.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    well, i disagree. there is plenty of navi movement depicted in the tailor. i'm not making this up to just to be contrary. to my eyes the animation looks just like that. animation. just my opinion. i wanted to be excited about this movie, but the more i see of it, the less excited i get. i still stand by my comparison to Phantom Menace.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    At this point it's wait and see, in 3-D

    by SoylentMean

    I want this movie to blow me away. I want it to deliver on all its promises. I just don't need to see any more of it before it hits theaters. I understand they need to sell the shit out of this in the hopes that they'll make their money back, but damn, I feel like I've seen so much of the movie (and have gotten the gist of the story) that I almost don't need to see it until the reviews start coming in. Because really, this film has to bring so much motherfuckin' pain in order to even come close to the hype, it's just astonishing (and masochistic) to think about.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Spoiler

    by Josh Acid

    So, I see a spoiler tag around the title of the post, and as far as I can tell, the title itself IS the spoiler and is clearly visible whether you click on the story or not. I'm not upset about that being spoiled or anything, just questioning the logic.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    It sure is good to know I'm not allowed to hate on something

    by SpyGuy

    I must remember that when the teaser trailer for TRANSFORMERS 3: DECEPTION OF THE DECEPTICONS eventually arrives.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    "Saying it's better 3D is like saying it's better drunk"

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"If I have to do something special to make it not look like shit, you've failed."</p> <p>I disagree. If this film was shot with Cameron intending to present it in 3D from the start, then he most likely composed each and every shot in the film with that in mind. If that is the case, then of course it does not look as good in 2D. That is no different than a director shooting a movie in Cinemascope, and then having it presented in pan & scan. Of course it doesn't look as good.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Best demonstration scene

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I think the best scene that displays everything, from great animation to photrealistic effects is the scene where Sully's avatar wakes up in the hospital facility. There's no amazing forest stuff in the background to distract you. The animation looks amazing and you can really see Worthington's performance behind the CG. The character just feels alive and full of energy.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Only when 3D HD will become commercially accesible

    by ominus

    then we can talk if the trailer of a 3d movie is cool or not.until then shut it. <p>Btw its a fact the studios frantically promote the 3d cinema,because they think it will kill piracy.ok with that.but what about home piracy,when we all are going to have 3d tvs and we can copy the digital content as easily as now.what about that situation?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron said he composed primarily for 2D then checked the 3D monitor to ensure it looked OK.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    So, how DO we market a 3D movie properly?

    by Series7

    We make sure that not ever IMAX theater on the planet is showing Avatar when it is released. And we do a train tour around America showing a clip from the film so everyone can see what A Christmas Carol 3-D will look like. Avatar, not opening in every IMAX when its released, good job IMAX.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I'm pretty sure Cameron said the opposite of that. He composed the shoots to work in 16:9 in 3D then made sure it worked in 2.4:1 for the 2D versions. I don't have any proof he said that but I'm pretty sure.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Sigourney saves the navi with a flamethrower!

    by Onin Solstice

    I hope she gets more than a cameo, I'd like to see her get some serious screen time. The Weaver can kick Sam Worthingtons ass any day of the week!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    3-d and imax do not make movies good.

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    quality writing and cinematography do. 3-d and imax are gimmicks and they always have been. this movie seems to be relying to heavily on both.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Never got into they hype

    by daggor

    I don't care if it's in REALLY BIG IMAX! or SUPER KEWL 3-D! or has TOTALLY SWEET DIGITAL ANIMATION! Is it... a good story? Are the actors... good in it? Weaver will most likely not disappoint.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage, I still don't think there's "plenty" of movement

    by D.Vader

    Really, we get those instances I spoke of. Those are the real "movements" (also including Sam running from the creature, but that's too brief to judge). The other shots of the Navi are of them just standing or sitting around. There is no footage of a Navi walking or running or waving his arms up and down or "acting" really.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"Cameron said he composed primarily for 2D then checked the 3D monitor to ensure it looked OK."</p> <p>I hadn't seen him say that. Even so, I think most people only have the previously "gimmicky" 3D of other films as a point of reference. If films are filmed with 3D in mind, even if the director is composing with 2D in mind first and just checking to make sure the 3D also looks good, I think that is past the point of being a gimmick.</p> <p>The fact is, I am sure that people believed talkies and technicolor to be gimmicks when they first arrived on the scene...and they WERE, because they were first used by filmmakers who did not understand how to make them work to actually enhance the storytelling...but now we take those things completely for granted.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    although if you have a link of some kind I'll gladly admit you're right.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    How to really market a 3D movie...

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    Just be honest about it and tell the 95% of the audience who don't live near an IMAX 3D to keep their money and just forget about the movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Had a dream about seeing Avatar last night...

    by vadakinX

    Seriously...I dreamt about seeing Avatar 3D at my local cinema (which isn't an Imax). The only problem was, the 3D didn't seem to work at all. It was playing as a 2D movie...the glasses, they did nothing. <p> About 5 minutes in, I asked if the glasses were working for anyone else, and everone shouted "NO!" so we all walked out and went to see a Star Wars marathon instead - and the damn 3D worked in those films. <p> Strange dream.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    This is going to be in 3D...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ...on regular screens, too, btw. I think the vast majority of people in America will have access to this movie in 3D, just not on Imax.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Have you seen the new

    by Series7

    Trailer for the Toy Story 1 and 2 in 3-D for one week only? Where Buzz, Woody and Boo Peep are in 3-D and Rex isn't? Its funny, and that ladies and gentlemen is why Pixar is the best at everything.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Na`vi picture looks like a cartoon.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Sigourney`s pic, as always, looks great though. What kind of dink would want to CG her in the first place when they should be showing off her glory for real........

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Avatar looks amazing in every way

    by jsscript2007

    Cameron is bullet-proof.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    OK guys

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I have to go to work so I'm out for now. Hopefully this talkback won't degenerate into buffoonery like the last two have, but I'm not holding my breath. :\ Nice to get clear-headed responses from some of you guys (GeneralJack, D.Vader and Nerd_Rage, sorry if I left some folks out).

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    the design of the Na'vi.....

    by Righteous Brother

    is collosally disappointing. Could have been achieved with prosthetics. I'm still holding out the rest of the film will be good though.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    only on 3D ready screens though

    by vadakinX

    Maybe most screens in America are 3D ready but around the world it's a different case entirely.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Doubt it

    by savagedave

    I imagine Cameron's got the courage of his convictions.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    SHE FREAKS ME OUT!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    CAT PERSON!!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    3D Porno

    by ominus

    thats something i would like to see

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    um Series7

    by Talkbacker with no name

    where did you hear or read that?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by wookie1972

    It's a movie, not a sporting event. Quit going on about the "HATERZ" and how they will eat their words in December. If you like it, great. If others don't, deal with it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    How exactly would you do this with prosthetics?

    by savagedave

    Out of interest?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I think Cameron needs to come on

    by Series7

    And explain how the fuck IMAX works. How can I live in a state with two Imax theaters, and neighter of them are going to be showing Avatar when it is released. For a theater chain that has SO few screens how is not every single one of them going to be showing Avatar on opening day? Also why can't Imax theaters show 2 movies?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Do the Na'Vis wear denim cutoffs?

    by wookie1972

    I don't have photoshop, or I'd do it myself, but c'mon, if we can have Dr. Tobias Manhattan, we can have Tobias the Na'Vi

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Talkbacker with no name

    and stop stealing my headline! :p

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Series7

    It was at Comic Con! He said it! Then he said that if he purchased our tickets to Avatar that day, he would throw in a FREE Sam Worthington action figure complete with working wheel chair, a $35 value!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    jsscript: bulletproof?

    by wookie1972

    So I guess Dark Angel should be in, what, it's 10th season by now?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    3D porn is on the way. I read an article online that a porno company began work on one after seeing the 3D naked chick in MY BLOODY VALENTINE.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    wookie1972

    by Talkbacker with no name

    since when were they never nudes? :)

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Talkbacker with no name

    and what's the reason for not showing it at every IMAX?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    "Also why can't Imax theaters show 2 movies?"

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Some do. My closest Imax sometimes alternates between two movies.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    entitlement

    by juice willis

    folks forming a negative opinion of a film (in this case, JC's "game-changing" Avatar) based on pre-release marketing materials are just as entitled to their opinions as those who love everything they've sees. At this point all we have to go on is what we've been shown, and maybe some access to the scriptment. I could honestly care less of it's photorealistic. I'm just not very impressed with the production design I've seen thus far. Doesn't really do anything for me. And considering the story seems to be something of a popular retread, count me in the "meh" camp.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo re: 3-d porn

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you will feel like you can actually 'motorboat' the girls!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    ENJOY YOUR HYPE YOU FUCKING NERDS

    by PleaseWipeMyAss

    LOOKS LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    The trailer is meh

    by disfigurehead

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    cool, later. i know, its impressive that this talkback has stayed pretty mature. weird... Fuck michael bay!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    PleaseWipeMyAss

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i think you accidentally left you 'caps lock' button on...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Personally, I love video games

    by theneonsamurai

    I fucking love video games. I really love video games with mechs, but final fantasy isn't that bad either. I also fucking love the Thundercats, and have you even seen Dances with Wolves??? It's an amazing fucking movie. Even more amazing at the time it was released. Also who the fuck doesn't like the Smurfs? ...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    put me in the 'meh' camp

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    dare i say it? i think i may wait for the dvd.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    A "Game Changer"? Riiiiight. Like 'The Watchmen'. Ya.

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    Seriously folks..I do hope this movie turns out well..but the hype is beyond reasonable. Everyone is so utterly convinced this will 'change the way movies are made'...and yet they're forgetting that The Watchmen carried some of that same hype (especially on this site). And, no offense to all the fans here, but The Watchmen faded into irrelevance FAST and has not stood up well on repeated viewings. I hope for a good Avatar....but I won't buy the hype.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Series7

    I don't know? From what I gather some Imax theaters have booked A Christmas Carole through the Holiday season, even though it comes on November 6. Hopefully thats just wrong. But also there are a good number of IMAX theaters that are part of a museum and only show those damn Nature docs and Fly Me To The Moon.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I like the Na'Vi look.

    by MrFloppy

    It's not rubberlike CGI, and for the first time, the eyes are PERFECT.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Remember, personality counts

    by rolandwanders

    Ever been on a date with a really hot chick? (or for some AICN readers, we'll trim that statement to "Ever been on a date?", nootch!) You watch her come down the path, round the bend and start walking towards you. She looks so beautiful, so stunning, she’s almost cartoonish in her imperfection. You’ve never seen a woman so fantastically put together nor move with such grace. You are enamored by her and swear to yourself all in a matter of seconds that you will marry this woman and live happily ever after. Then she arrives at your feet and you see her slide her keys into her purse…and there it is, dangling from her keychain, hanging like a totem of worship to all things unpure and evil and wrong in life,…a Jar Jar Binks collectible key chain toy. Your heart skips a beat and silence follows. She clearly has the taste of a twelve year old child with ADHD and you need to bail, fast! <p> My point being, it is unwise to weigh in so heavily on a film (or women for that matter) before you can be allowed to view the entire package. Cameron has proven himself a more than capable story teller in the past and I’m going to have faith in his abilities to lift this visual content above the standard of storytelling we normally expect from CG imagery of this caliber (i.e.- the “Star Wars” trilogy 1-3). Be patient; personality and good old fashioned story telling can turn an ugly goose into something amazing. If you judge with such fanaticism before you even have a chance to watch the finished works, you muddy your conscience with likely false premonitions that are hard to shake and you may spoil your chances to ever enjoy the film as it was intended.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Also I like cartoons. Fuck you all.

    by theneonsamurai

    The less people that show up opening day, the better seats i get.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    hype kills movies dead

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    nothing can live up to the hype, now a days. not phantom menace. not matrix 2 & 3. not watchmen or spider-man 3. i think hype hurts a movie more than it helps. like, for all you know, megan fox is terrible in bed...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I'm sure this film will be better than Watchmen

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It won't be 3 hours of "Superheros" staring at the camera.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    talkbacker with no name :

    by wookie1972

    It's beside the point: Doc Manhattan wasn't a never nude either.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    hard to reserve judgement

    by juice willis

    When they're selling this thing so fucking hard.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    MrFloppy

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    is your name a reference to the 'black adder' tv show?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I just spotted something cool...

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    ...in the pic of th Na'vi with the headband (I guess it's Zoe Saldana), I never noticed before that part of the headband is made from a pair of big, dragonfly-like wings. What a cool little design touch.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg just made me laugh

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Will wonders never cease?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    that looks like shit

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    i hope this bombs so bad rothman is shot dead

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I wonder who fought to keep the bridge of her nose

    by ThePilgrim

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    normal

    by ThePilgrim

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    over at slashfilm

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    is an article about the creators of 'delgo' suing cameron for ripping them off to make avatar! hahahah! i may not be a fan of avatar, but that is just absurd!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    So this is how the movie was sold

    by James_Camera_On

    StudIo: "So, James you got a new movie idea. About time I must say. Tell us about it." JC:"Well, it's just like Aliens II but ..." Studio: "Yes ..." JC: "The aliens are the good guys." Studio: "Oh. Anything else?" JC: "They're blue." Studio: "Oh. Why didn't I think of that? Aliens II: The Revenge? Is you know, Signourny in it?" JC: "Yes." Studio: "That's a relief. Who's she play?" JC: "Well, she's an avatar." Studio: "A what?" JC: "An avatar. Like in a video game. She's controlled by her human self and goes out to the planet to do ..." Studio:"Avatar things. Whatever that is." JC: "That's right." Studio: "OK, I'm just trying to get my brain around this whole avatar thing. So the blue aliens are the good guys and the humans are the bad guys and we use our avatar extensions to kick alien butt. Right?" JC: "Close. Only there's a lot of stuff about nature and ecology and war and evil corporations ..." Studio: "The usual. Well, sounds good, familiar, safe ..." JC: "And it will be in 3-D with CGI that will know your socks off." Studio: "Can't wait, James. So how much is this thing going to cost? I hope not too much over 100 million." JC: "Well, I'm thinking well north of 200 million." Studio: "Hey, it's been great talking with you. Say high to the wife and kids. And don't call us. We'll call you."

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    RIP James Cameron (December 19, 1997)

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Unlike sam and some of the other blu'ies

    by ThePilgrim

    I can actually see her whole face. The other characters features and eye spacing makes it hard to focus on the face in the same manner that you would a normal human face. I'm sure your eyes evetually adjust to this, but it's off putting, because you find visual focus trapped to one side of the characters face. Incapable seeing the entire face because the eye spacing is to far apart.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by kwisatzhaderach

    My apologies ;)

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    eyes still look dumb

    by turketron_2

    they do.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Wookie1972

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's too easy to be dragged down to everyone else's level. I will try harder though.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    SPOILER... Rodriguez

    by MattmanReturns

    She dies AGAIN!!?? Fuck man. Why does the badass chick always have to die?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Suing Cameron over Avatar, hahah, that's just rich.

    by D.Vader

    "Your movie has character riding dragon-like creatures! So does ours!" <p> *William Shakespeare climbs out of his grave* "You, daft creators of "Delgo", have a boy and girl from opposite, opposing families falling in love in the midst of a conflict between their kin, just like in MY story! Can I sue you in turn?"

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    People comparing the CG in Avatar to Phantom Menace

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Have any of you watched Phantom Menace recently?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    It's nice to see ppl seeing this shit for what it is

    by alienindisguise

    nothing really spectacular. Had this come out before ep1 it could have set some kind of bar...10 years ago. The Navi only look like a slight step up from the quality of jar jar and ther's nothing groundbreaking about that.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Shakespeare

    by Series7

    Stole his story as well.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I think the creators of the Legend of Dragoon video game...

    by D.Vader

    Should sue Delgo for similar images and ideas too.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, I meant "Panzer Dragoon"

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Disney should sue based on similarities to Atlantis

    by MattmanReturns

    Human meets chick from a strange civilization, fights the evil men that he came with who want to exploit said civil-yaaaawwwwwwn-ization. Shit, sleepy all of the sudden.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    CHRISTIAN BALE TRASHED MY LIGHTS...

    by Six Demon Bag

    thats funny cause in 1997, they were saying RIP JAMES CAMERON July 15, 1994....

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Weaver's taking someone's order at a Taco Bell drive thru

    by AzulTool

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Nothing will ever be as revolutionary as the OT and the PT

    by ThePilgrim

    the OT changed the way directors tell stories, it changed special fx forever. The PT brought CGI all out to the level that gave directors like Camron the ability to do this. Th ePT might not have been as fun as the OT, but GL changed the game once more by making it- Forcing all of these new ways and technology into films.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    and then Costner should sue Disney

    by MattmanReturns

    for stealing the idea from Dances With Wolves. And then... yaaaawwwwwwwn... trying to keep my eyes open here... whoever Costner stole the idea from should sue... fuck this I'm gonna take a nap.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    HYPE... you people let yourselves get over hyped but...

    by snakecharmer

    the average joe is just hearing about this movie. Ask any of your non Fanboy friends what they heard about Avatar. Very few know anything. Most of us haven't seen in 3-D Imax which is how the director intended for us to enjoy the film. Our opinions wont mean much until opening day. It's just talk and something do fill the time with but no minds will be changed. Have fun spending hours on here.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    snakecharmer

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    thanks. will do.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Beowulf

    by ThePilgrim

    and Final Fantasy the Spirits Within did this shit first. FFSW dropped the flag down "it can be done" Beowulf said and you can get just about ever preformance from real actors using some new camera and render techniques that steve used on A.I.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    This movie is definitely overhyped

    by IAmLegolas

    but I think some of you fine people are bringing the hate way to hard based on some internet images and a teaser trailer. I think James Cameron, if you are a fan of his, has earned your trust to give the movie a chance. It's not like we are talking Bret Ratner's Thundercats here.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace

    by vadakinX

    I've watched it recently, in fact I'm one of those who likes it. It's a fun film. <p> But regarding the cgi comparison, Menace came out 10 years ago and featured a cgi character in a lead role in a live action film. Whatever you think about Jar Jar as a character, as a technological achievement, he is a sight to behold. <p> The Phantom Menace was the most recent leap forward in cgi character creation, not Gollum. Gollum followed on the heels of Jar Jar. It may look a bit dated now, but it was 10 years ago....Avatar is supposed to be the next step - photo-real cgi characters...frankly I think Star Wars did it better. <p> Forget Jar Jar, Watto looked more believable than the Na'vi do. The spaceships etc show no marked improvement from what we saw in Battlestar Galactica, which had a fraction of the budget of Avatar. <p> When someone says photo-real, I think that if you shoot something with a camera...like a garden or something, then recreate that footage exactly in a computer, so much so that you can't tell the difference, that's photo-real We aren't there yet.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I'm totally going to see the movie

    by ThePilgrim

    but lots of things are off putting about it so far. does it make me an asshole to have and be vocal about my own doubts and dislikes so far. Fuck no. There is no alter under James Cameron. He shits and pisses just like everyone else. Hius toilet bowl might be solid platinum, but he still has to be human every damn day like the rest of us, and one thing thats we all know about everyone else is that we all make poor choices and mistakes no matter how talented and sucessful we are at what we do.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace CG still looks good

    by MattmanReturns

    Not a huge fan of the movie, aside from the awesome saber duel, but it's still technologically impressive. And Revenge of the Sith is downright gorgeous.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    It isn't just the SFX that suck

    by The Gipper

    Sure, watching giant rabid Smurfs fight Marines sucks, but it just isn't the special effects. This whole story is lame and has been done to death already (as many have pointed out already, you want this story, watch "Dances With Wolves.") I don't need to watch "Flies With Smurfette."

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by DrMorbius

    Go back to dreaming, those Star Wars sheets and bedspread seem to be working just fine for you. Next up, your Star Wars Coma.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Dances with Wolves, Last of the Mohicans, Last Samurai...

    by JuanSanchez

    it's been done.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    looks like Smurfs The Movie to me

    by Gorgomel

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    i hate to make this comparison

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    but, D9 did a lot of the story elements that are in avatar too. did D9 steal Avatars thunder?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Such high hopes for this.

    by EvilElecBlanket

    I still have tons of faith in Cameron, but what he seems to be trying to pull off is HUGE. He needs to low-ball the movie just a bit.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    FACT: The Na'vi look leaps and bounds better than Jar Jar Binks.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And if you're using Jar Jar as your benchmark for present day CGI, then you haven't been watching a whole lot of movies lately.<P>Speaking of TPM, it was on TV the other night and I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of it. That movie is a headache inducing load of nonsense. Most of it, if not all, is nothing more than a demo reel for ILM = look, another spaceship is landing, look another cute critter in the background, etc, etc, etc. And I'd seriously forgotten just how wooden and dull the whole thing is. In fact, if it weren't for the lightsaber duel between Qui-Gon/Kenobi and Darth Redface, I don't think anyone would have cared about seeing the next two films.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I think there is just something fundamentally off-putting

    by smackfu

    about blue people. I'm trying, and I cannot think of one single instance in my life where I have found a blue alien or character to be aesthetically pleasing. People subconsciously react to colors. My sister is great at pointing out subtle aesthetics in movies and tv, she makes a hell of an arguement that the bridge design of any sci-fi show determines it's success. To this day she insists that the reason why Star Trek Next Generation was such a successful show despite it sucking royal ass for it's first 2 seasons is because the bridge was all warm earth tones and looked like a livingroom. And the reason Enterprise failed was because it's bridge was sterile and metallic.<br><br>so anyway, along that same vein, I'm starting to wonder if the simple fact that the Navi are blue makes me not like them.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    "NADS OF KNOWLES"

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    That's what Cameron needs to make, the bio of Harry. From his days as a little geek to a mega-internet sensation (who loved the movie CABIN FEVER by the way).

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Avatar Needs Xenomorphs

    by rxse7en

    Just tear up those N'avi and call it a day.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Avatar is ripping off Dances with Wolves!

    by ebonic_plague

    It is unforgivable, like when Lucas ripped off Hidden Fortress for Star Wars. The whole story about a young warrior rescuing a princess from an evil villain has been done to death. And the effects were totally laughable, I can't believe that you guys would fall for all that obviously fake looking space shit. Sorry, losers, I don't need to watch this "Hidden Rebel Base." FAIL.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    RE: looks like Smurfs The Movie to me

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Really? Where are the white hats?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I think what we're dealing with here is post-PHANTOM MENACE

    by YackBacker

    We have become a pretty cynical (and rightly so) bunch thanks to the poop-in-the-face experience called STAR WARS EPISODES I-III. I mean, if you're a Catholic, it would be like reading the Pope went on a hooker and coke binge during Easter. There are times when the things you believe to be true end up not being the case. STAR WARS was supposed to be awesome because it was always awesome. You could depend on it, that's the thing. And then, when it failed to be good (let alone awesome) things started to get messy. And then you had INDY IV, which most of us find disappointing. It's not all on Lucas. Those MATRIX sequels really left a lot to be desired. And there are many other movies that have been hyped to death and failed to meet expectations. So, living in an age where movies are meant to make 30-40% of their total gross during opening weekend, we've been hit on the head regularly with bullshit marketing. <p> James Cameron knows this, I'm sure. And he's doing it big, as this is the only way he works. If he fails to meet those high expectations he's created, well, Jimmy, we've got a problem. Credibility will be lost with yet another filmmaker. And that leaves very few, dependable people left for us...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    A thought to ponder...

    by GillianSeed

    Isn't it funny to see a guy riding a bike, and smoking a cigarette?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    YackBacker...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    That was a good really post, broke it down nicely. Loved the Pope analogy lol. Cameron will disappoint with this one I'm afraid.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace was in 1999

    by lockesbrokenleg

    How can you losers compare the CG?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    just wait

    by misch

    For all dislikers of blue aliens out there. Why not wait a couple more weeks, then you can buy the avatar book and read it with your own imagination(if you have)

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    It may not be the second coming but it's better than...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Jar Jar AND Gollum. It's not revolution but it is evolution.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Are the Na'vi related to the Neville brothers?

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Just asking.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Did someone just shit on the LOTR hobbit vis-á-vis human shots? Granted, a couple of shots looked a wee bit off, but for the most part PJ nailed it. I totally bought it for the duration of the trilogy. So much, in fact, that for a long time afterwards I found it weird seeing Wood and Astin playing human-sized characters. I'd put good money on the claim that most people who saw those movies felt the same way. The combination of unspectacular CG effects and children dressed as hobbits for some scenes was sheer genius because the effects didn't draw attention to themselves. I think that's what Cameron seems to be going for -- a film where, yes, the 3D is awesome, but doesn't draw attention to itself to the detriment of the story. <p> Those who think make-up and platform shoes are the way to go probably think the "dwarf" in D&D (a normal-sized guy crouching in the background) and the "giant" in Hawk The Slayer (a rather tall fellow standing in the foreground) were convincing. Oh wait, no you don't -- you just pull shit like that out of your cyst-studded nostrils to piss people off. <p> You idiot feebs are about as useful as marzipan dildos.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Binks, Watto and Sebulba...

    by Righteous Brother

    (Yes I am a fucking Star Wars Geek) Still look pretty damn good to me. And to whoever asked how the Navi could be done using prosthetics, just look at Hellboy 2 for the answer. Haven't seen Avatar on the big screen yet, where I'm sure it will look better.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Here's how all Avatar talkbacks go, redux

    by gavdiggity

    (featuring updates)<P> "Looks like udder shite. LAWL." <P> "Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, I already know it'll be the biggest flop in cinematic history" <P> "Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, I already know it'll be the single greatest event in the history of cinema." <P> "Meh. Just a ripoff of Danceswiththundercatsmurferngully."<P> "Weird political screed completely unrelated to this talkback."<P> "Bale!" <P> "Fail!" <P> "Fuck Michael Bay." (Thanks Nerd_Rage) <P> "This was already posted on _____.com" <P> "Fuck this shit! Where's the _____ talkback?"<P> "James Cameron raped my childhood."<P> "Jar Jar looked better." <P>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I remember when my eyeballs were still virgins..................

    by crackerfarmboy

    Now they've been fucked so many times!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I absolutely hate the prequel trilogy, especially Jar Jar Binks

    by smackfu

    but in honesty in terms of tech demos, Jar Jar Binks looks far more impressive than the Navi. Like if you found someone who had never seen or heard of either movie, and showed them a picture of Jar Jar and a picture of a Navi, and asked them to guess which one was the newest in CGI technology, they'd surely pick Jar Jar. To say Jar Jar was annoying is an understatement, he was an absolute abortion in Phantom Menace. But no one ever accused him of looking like a videogame cut-scene, and he looked like he was made of matter.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by DocPazuzu

    You know what I find REALLY sad about TPM ten years on? It's the only film of the prequel trilogy that even remotely feels like a Star Wars film. I can't even begin to express how horrible it makes me feel to admit that.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Mystique is that you???

    by spiceybiscuit

    Um, we saw this right? It was called X-men-and it sucked

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "You idiot feebs are about as useful as marzipan dildos."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! I'm getting that tattooed on my arm.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    IT'S OVER ALREADY.

    by uberman

    All thats left is the collosal ass-reaming this movie takes from the critics.I love-LOVE!- all Camerons movies, but I have yet to see a suck ass trailor that did not equal a suck ass movie. Based on what I have seen, I will not be seeing this for at least 2 weeks after its out. If my suspicions are then confirmed, its going to be a DVD rental at best. Some observations: Even in some of the stills of the Mechs, you can totally tell its a CGI man inside. Why? Having a 19 century wheelchair is retarded in the what...22nd century? You'd think they be more advanced. The jungle creatures I've seen all look like something out of the Lucas trash-bin. The Avatars...Good God. They look so fuckin stupid that theres no way the audience is going to buy them. No. Friggin. Way. Argue and cry and defend and believe, but you know-as I know-that they are the lynch pin thats gonna sink this ship. Love ya, James, but you made some piss-poor decisions on the designs for this. The over-use of CGI is like cynaide to any movie. To base you main characters on CGI? Huh? To have your female Avatar in a Indian HEADBAND to show shes a native? Good Lord. Who sat there at these production meetings and thought up this crap? Remember when Lucas took all that time off before the prequels? Looks like the same thing happened to Cameron after Titanic-too much time off, surrounded by geeks who are all telling you that this CGI shit is so advanced, so realistic...Wait until the TV ads come one. Your average joe and jane are gonna smell the suck coming off this one a mile off. This just looks horrible on every level. You can bet the suits are sweating right now, and big time at that. Heads are gonna roll...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    thats the point. phantom menace was 10 years ago and the avatar cgi is not that much better.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    marzipan dildos re: DocPazuzu

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    do you have first hand experience with the marzipan dildo?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    RighteousBrother

    by DocPazuzu

    The greatest bit of CG in the whole prequel trilogy is when it dawns on Watto in AOTC that he's talking to an adult Anakin. It's about three seconds of underplayed awesomeness and the only moment when one of the aliens feels real.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Have you seen the 3D segments yet? I'm guessing no. Don't make such dumb ass statements.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    When do we get to see Shatner as a Navi?

    by picardsucks

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Ominus

    by HerbWestAustin

    why a primary color at all. I think dirty tan color with reptilian skin would work.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    9' Aliens

    by rxse7en

    I'm sure the boots from Battlefield Earth are available.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by DocPazuzu

    Yes. It melted before I could bring it within three feet of your mom's ass.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I know and it's a REALLY, REALLY remote feeling, too. There is absolutely no trace of the swashbuckling aspect of the OS to be found anywhere. And it only gets worse with the subsequential films.<P>I've said it before, STAR WARS and I quit dating sometime during AOTC. We both realized that we had nothing more in common.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    i can't believe

    by one_guy_from_andromeda_

    there are actually idiots calling this movie thundersmurfs hahahaha

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    ROTS was the best of the prequels

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And TPM is pretty damn good, too. AOTC, I've seen it twice.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by DocPazuzu

    I know, I stopped dating Star Wars too. Still, I will pay it a visit every now and then for a drunken hate-fuck, but I always end up loathing myself in the morning.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    smackfu, yours is an elegant theory, but I wanted to...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...fuck the blue alien chick in STAR TREK when I was about seven. Hell, I didn't even know what I wanted to do with her naughty blue parts...but I was sure neither she nor my parents would approve......I will say that for an animated creature, blue seems less convincing and realistic than say, green. Not sure why that's true...but it is.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    fuck 3-d. 3-d won't save this or any other movie

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Avatar FX is about 1000 times better than Phantom Menace. If you can't acknowledge that you are either blind or stupid. Look atthe CG grass on Naboo then check out the jungle environment on Pandora. There is NO comparison.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In terms of "tech demos", Jar Jar looks better than the Na'vi? Are you crazy?! What clip are you watching?! Even without seeing the 3D IMAX footage I can tell you that's a false statement.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i know. she was very disappointed in your performance sexually and then when you brought in the marzipan dildo that melted she was completely done with your lack of sexual prowess. so sad...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    3-d was a gimmick in the 1950's

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    and it still is today...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    FUCK. Even Yoda in ROTS didn't look as good...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and he's supposed to be ILM's answer to Gollum.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by kwisatzhaderach

    AOTC wasn't too bad but ROTS felt nothing like a Star Wars film. It was leaden where the originals soared. But you're right, TPM feels most like a Star Wars film, just a very boring one.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Dominick Dunne died.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    ...stumbled into CG Yoda on tv the other night...hadn't seen him

    by FlickaPoo

    ...since those flaccid prequels first came out...made me angry and depressed just to look at him.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Gavdiggity...

    by VicenzoV

    You are a genius. Your observations on talkback behaviour are truly astonishing.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Yoda looked fantastic

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Fuck all you haters. These are the same fucking people that think Prime looked like shit. How do you fuckers enjoy a movie?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    smackfu, I have totally been telling people that same...

    by JediRob

    ...theory about TNG for years. Your sister is right on the money.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    ...no brokenleg, he didn't. In action he was OK, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...not when he's still and just talking.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by vadakinX

    But most people WON"T see the 3D Imax footage. Most people will see either the 3D standard screen footage or 2D standard screen footage. <p> It doesn't matter how good this will look in Imax 3D. Star Wars (A New Hope) looks great on the small screen, the big screen, drive in movie screens...you name it, that movie works on it. <p> If Avatar is relying on Imax 3D to look good then 90% of the people who see the movie won't have seen it "how it was meant to be seen" which makes the whole Imax argument null and void.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    "so sad..."

    by DocPazuzu

    Not as sad as that comeback, Nerd_Rage.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Whats with the

    by Series7

    Stupid tribal tatoos? Well besides the fact that they will probably be in tribes. Then why do their tribal tats look just like every other douche bags tribal tatoo he got even though he's never left the state.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    CG Yoda looked like... a CG Yoda

    by MattmanReturns

    The puppet just works better for me. Sorry, but it does. You can babble on about how technologically advanced the new Yoda is all you want, but I still prefer the puppet. I'm not saying CG can't work... hell the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, which was EARLY 90s, STILL works. The CG half of Harvey Dent's face in TDK is amazing... I have to remind myself its CG when I watch it. The Avatar trailer just looks like a bunch of plastic CG, and does not convince me. I'll still give it a chance in 3D. I'm sure it's cool.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Stupid haters: As ALIENS, Na'Vis don't have human SKIN or EYES

    by The_Hypnotoad

    Cameron could make them "more *HUMAN* realistic" if he wanted to. But they are EXACTLY as they are described in the '97 scriptment. Only "humans" have human eyes. Only "humans" have human skin. Oh, and about Sigourney Weaver's Na'Vi's age, her character as an Avatar is *SUPOSSED* to be younger than her. The "human" Dr. Grace Agustine is a "Forty-something" grim smoker. Her "Avatar" is a young Na'Vi, and like Jake Sully (Sam Worthington's character) she uses the Avatar to fullfill a handicap: Her aging.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo He acted beter than most of the real actors!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I don't know how anyone can say that Yoda looked bad. Shit, he looked much more convincing than "Never change facial expression" Gollum.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu...Yep!

    by Righteous Brother

    Amazing bit of CG work.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg - Fuck you.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The Yoda puppet is the definitive Yoda and the CGI version comes off as nothing more than an excuse to show him as a lightsaber wielding badass.<P>And I've got nothing against the look of Optimus Prime. In fact, he looks pretty awesome; the best out of the Bay lot.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    ...it dawned on me the other day that AVATAR isn't a real movie.

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's more of a CAPTAIN EO, theme park experience/event type thing. It's both less and more than a movie...mostly less.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Um, all the Yoda puppet did was stand around

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Wow, that was so revolutionary!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Slashfilm has the trailer for Steven Seagal: Lawman.

    by JuanSanchez

    It really is the better site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99E16w0PxCA

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Ok.....time for a dumb question here...

    by Righteous Brother

    Is all this state of the art CG going to be rendered a bit useless, because the film is in 3D? I mean, I saw Beowulf at the cinema in 3D and it looked kind of fuzzy; and was headache inducing.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    RE: ""Never change facial expression" Gollum."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're an idiot.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    brokenleg, I can't argue with the "better acting" part.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Ah, MNG, so classy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I just find it so sad that some people just can't see beyond their 20 year old copies of ESB.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    That Moto Kusanagi....

    by Righteous Brother

    or whatever his name was, has been awfully quiet since the trailer was released.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    For the most part, I think I agree. What I was saying was that I haven't even seen the 3D footage, I'm going by the teaser trailer. And even in regular 2D Quicktime I can tell you that the CGI is a vast improvement beyond Jar Jar Binks.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i know erectile dysfunction probably makes you angry and frustrated, but therapy may help. and try to stay away from the marzipan dildos. maybe diabetes is why you can't get it up?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    RighteousBrother

    by JuanSanchez

    Cameron used a new camera system, so maybe the 3D will be better. I have trouble with 3D cause I need glasses and light can reflect between my glasses and the 3D glasses - which is annoying.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    RighteousBrother, good question, 3D makes me queasy...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and my eyes hurt...after about 20 minutes I get tired of concentrating and the whole thing goes fuzzy...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Locke, I find it sad that some people can't

    by MattmanReturns

    see past pretty effects and bright lights.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo wow, do you get sick walking down the hall?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Maybe lose some weight.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by DocPazuzu

    Oh dear.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Ah, lockesbrokenleg, so clueless...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Maybe if Lucas had made a movie worthy of ESB, people wouldn't be so cynical about his overuse of CGI.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Re: 3D gimmick

    by skimn

    It is funny. What goes around comes around. The advent of television caused the studios to try whatever gimmicks they could to lure an audience. 3D, Cinerama, CineaScope, Panavision, stereophonic sound, Todd AO, etc. Now with the advent of HD home theater that rivals the theaters, were back to new and improved 3D on a giant IMAX screen. William Castle would be proud.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    It looks like a dude. The Navi looks pretty masculine too...ZING

    by AzulTool

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    MNG - maybe if you stopped comparing everything to

    by lockesbrokenleg

    a 20 year old movie you might unclench that tight asshole, and enjoy something.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    brokenleg...so people who don't like CG Yoda...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...are obese?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    ATTACK OF THE BLUE CAT PEOPLE!

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    From the director of PIRANHA PART TWO: THE SPAWNING!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Riiiggghhhttt. Thanks for missing the point.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Locke's like that little piece of shit in Jabba's palace

    by MattmanReturns

    That Salacious Crumb little fucker. Annoying as fuck, but his screaming is hilarious, so you keep him around just to point and laugh at him.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns Yeah, I get to sit next to Slaeve Leia all day

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks, VicenzoV

    by gavdiggity

    Yours are equally profound and astute.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns - Spot on!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    lockesbrokenleg is the Salacious Crumb of AICN.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    the biggest problem I have is the skin color

    by Spazatronik2000

    It looks so cartoony/fake. Even if their were aliens with bright blue skin this is not how I would imagine them. The shape of their body is very detailed but also just slightly cartoony. Definitely not the style I was expecting and hoped for coming from Cameron.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    So MNG, how's that black box campaign going?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Maybe you should kiss Herc's ass. Just say you like Whedon.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    and the Yoda puppet looks stupid

    by Spazatronik2000

    it looks exactly like a floppy rubber puppet with eye-lids. The CGI version is way better, you nerds cannot be serious!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    What "black box campaign"?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Explain.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000

    by Crashbang

    "this is not how I would imagine them" - "not the style I was expecting and hoped for" MY personal preference is BETTER than YOUR personal preference.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    photo real cgi ?

    by slkboxrman

    that is not photo real... transformers features photo-real CGI....nothing can even compare to it. this on the other hand looks like crap. if the trailer is just a sample then its a pretty poor sample...the fanboys may say "this looks better in 3D " well then give us a way to view the 3D or dont shw us something we're supposed to be wowed by. but i agree that the more hype applied to anything, the more dissapointed the fanboys are....cuz ya know their whole lives revolve around getting excited for movies and video games only to get dissapointed over and over and over, surprised they all havent commited suicide by now.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Have you "just got off the phone" with JC Lately, Harry? If so-

    by The_Hypnotoad

    Tell him to read this talkback... It's going to be hilarius for him reading the naysayers bitching the failure of this film, bassed on the "fake" look of a... 2D trailer of a 3D film... and a SCANNED FRAME!!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    How. Fucking. Gay.

    by Lucasblows

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    SalaciousCrumbsBrokenLeg

    by DrMorbius

    Why so defensive? You are the one, in most TBs, doing all the criticizing! Pot! Kettle!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius whateever shithead

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why not compare Avatar to some 20 year old movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Again, naysayers are mistaking "PHOTO REAL" with "HUMAN REAL"

    by The_Hypnotoad

    And AGAIN, Planet Pandora forest, the creatures showed (the Slinth tiger and the Bansheerays) and the Na'Vis are ALIENS CREATURES. They SUPOSSED to look different!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    abyss aliens >>> na'vi.

    by alice 13

    the only reason i have to see this is to see the 3d tech. <p>the na'vi designs are disappointing which makes a story about them= meh.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    She looks like a cute puppy dog.

    by Orionsangels

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    SalaciousCrumbsBrokenLeg

    by DrMorbius

    Shithead, that's your best? I make a statement, without resorting to vulgarity, and that's your answer?<P>Stay Classy Salacious!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Na'vi will be...

    by Gus Van Rant

    an annoying cunt like Sigourney Weaver is in real life? Have fun fucking Tim Robbins!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    mall_one

    by Shaner Jedi

    "It looks like they got the guys who did the Star Wars prequels to do the designs." Well that's because he did. Ryan Church, who did AOTC and ROTS was a main designer on this film.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Enjoy that 20 year old ESB DrMorbius

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Meanwhile, people out in the real world will be enjoying Avatar.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    GusVanRant

    by gavdiggity

    I think you're thinking of Susan Sarandon.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant

    by DrMorbius

    Did you mean Susan Sarandon?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Are you fucking kidding me? ROTS > EP1&2

    by ganymede3010

    ROTS is the only one with any type of replay value. AOTC looks more dated the Jurassic Park, TPM has 2 scenes worth watching the pod race and Darth Maul. At least I pop in ROTS and somewhat enjoy the entire film. That's impossible with EP1&2.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    For people that sure hate the SW movies

    by lockesbrokenleg

    they sure seem to argue about them a lot.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Well, maybe Sigourney Weaver is fucking Tim Robbins too

    by The_Hypnotoad

    Just don't tell Susan Sarandon

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Locke

    by DrMorbius

    You may have me confused with someone else re: 20 yr. old ESB.<P>I was at Comic Con for the full 25 min. treatment, and can't wait for Avatar's Opening Day.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    locke

    by slkboxrman

    wasting your time, like all classic bullies theyve grouped up on you...prob something theyre used to doing to each other in their fanboy circle-jerks. i see where you're coming from, but they dont and wont. we are jerks because we dont believe cameron is god and can do no wrong, we must all bow to the great cameron, just because he did this, and that and the other thing..if we dont, we are naysayers and the like. we are unworthy of comment because we, like many others dont approve of what we've been shown, its cool, but not what was hyped, and we are entitled to state our opinions...but the "regulars" who like to beat their self important opinions over the head of everyone cannot be argued with or they TRY to redicule the "naysayer" with their logic...they only make themselves look rediculous, especially since we both know they are the classic nerdy fanboys, sitting in a basement, with mommy doing their wash and cooking their meals, with no hope of sex, beyond with either their 2 hands or the dog. so of course they get offended when u criticize the great jim cameron when he tells us we are getting a juicy steak and he gives us jerky instead... its hillarious, but true...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    kwitzaderach

    by Shaner Jedi

    "Look at the CG grass on Naboo then check out the jungle environment on Pandora. There is NO comparison." Hey numbskull. The Naboo grass was REAL. They shot footage in the hills of Northern Cali. Research before you speaketh.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    CAMERON RUINED AVATAR WITH DAILY DRIP, DRIP, DRIP!

    by King_Ding

    Sorry, but not only did they blew their wad too early on this movie, but they are releasing way too much content. This doesn’t come out until the end of the year! When it does you will have already seen almost all the movie, know the entire story, seen a million stills of every creature. The excitement is over now, let alone in December! F YOU CAMERON! YOU RUINED THIS! Whats tomorrow? Another 20 min viewing? Toys? Other stars Navi? A a 25 shot photo album of locations? Interviews? What ever happened too keeping things under wraps –like what the creature look like for starters. This sucks!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    YOU'D TOTALLY BONE A BLUE CHICK!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    BLUEEEEEEEE CHIIIIIIIIIICK!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Too BLUE!

    by Amazing Maurice

    Listen, I was a little underwhelmed by the trailer as well.<p>But who cares how it looks?<p>Maybe, just maybe, it will, you know, actually be a GOOD movie - a well crafted story complimented by some exhilerating action scenes?<p>Remember, James Cameron is one of the most consistant movie makers in Hollywood. Even when he's shit, he's STILL great (yeah, The Abyss, Titanic and True Lies are all pretty shit movies, but they're all great. Thats how good he is.)<p>At the very least Cameron should be applauded for making something original that isn't a remake or based on fucking comic book.<p>Fucking chill-out and wait and see.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    The_Hypnotoad

    by Bag_of_Hammers

    Yes, they can look different. The point is they don't look like they live in real world. Look at Gollum's skin in LOTR or the Prawns carapaces in D9, these look like things that exist in a real world. I look at the Navi and I see a cartoon character that does not look like it exists in the real world, put a human next to that creature and the effect is exacerbated even more. I'm not a hater, but I'm not going to lie and say I was impressed when I wasn't.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    SHE'S SO BLUE SHE SHOULD WORK FOR BEST BUY!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Aint it Bale news has more rational posters....

    by TheWaqman

    than you guys sadly. That CG Sigourney Weaver looks really well done. And fucking TPM comparisons? I'm sure this film will have much more soul than that shit. And the CG in some of the environments look fucking brilliant here. Especially the jungle and floating mountains.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Boring

    by HideousSecretion

    I have no interest in Avatar. 3D is a fucking gimmick and an animated film is just that no matter what bullshit Cameron says. Don't get me wrong Cameron is great, but leave animation to Dreamworks and Pixar. Get back to Colonial Space Marines and Skynet.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    IMAX theatres

    by r2ind

    IMAX theatres are owned and operated by different companies. IMAX corporation runs about 7 theatres. (http://www.imax.com/chicago/theatreinformation/corporatetheatres.htm) If a movie is played or not played the decision is based on the individual theatre and the movie studio. Many could physically play Christmas Carol and AVATAR if there was enough time in the day. 4 shows of AVATAR would take up as much as 14 hours (If the run time is indeed around 3 hours.) leaving no room for Christmas Carol. If a theater picks Christmas Carol, a great film to play during Christmas, there is little or no time for AVATAR. From the studio's point of view, when you spend hundreds of millions of dollars making and then marketing a film, you are going to want every available time slot you can get. I would imagine it is a tough decision for the theaters to make.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    revenge of the sith was fucking awesome

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    except for the whole fucking "shes lost the will to live" part. and was that a cgi baby?!??!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    IF LUCAS WERE SMART

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He'd tap Cameron's ass to direct the last 3 Star Wars movies based on the fact the 3D is fucking amazing in Avatar.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    No one's saying they wouldn't bone a blue chick.

    by JuanSanchez

    Let's not get crazy here.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    She looks fatter and haggier than her Avatar

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Sorry not realistic!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I agree about blue

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Unprofessional

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Amazing Maurice

    by Bag_of_Hammers

    I agree, maybe (I hope) there is a really compelling story, but that's not what Cameron has been selling here all this time. He has been claiming game changing eye-ball raping visuals. He didn't say your brain will be raped with a great story and script, he said the visuals will knock you off your ass. I saw the same trailer you guys did, in HD, on my 40" plasma screen, and my eye balls went "meh". My wife, who knows nothing of the flick and the hype around it said "It looks like a cartoon" and actually picked out some collision-detection gaffs in the CG I hadn't noticed before (look at the big gun in the mechs hands when the guy in the wheelchair comes down the ramp, the stock of the gun is clearly bleeding into it's forearm). So call me a hater, but I'm just being honest. I kinda wonder why so many folks are getting so emotional about this.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    RighteousBrother & JuanSanchez

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I saw the 3D presentation and it works great with both the CGI and live action stuff. The 3D is definitely the best, most "immersive" 3D I have ever seen.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    when its all said and done

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    the worlds reaction to avatar won't be love or hate. it will be "Meh".

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Some of those scans are incredible....

    by TheWaqman

    just look at Worthington's Avatar in those scans they posted. Fucking ridiculous. Jar Jar my ass. You fucking retards. You're really just trolling big time here.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack

    by JuanSanchez

    How do the backgrounds look when there's a character in the foreground? I find backgrounds often get murky in 3D - are they improved here?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Avatar = Segway

    by dcervera

    Both incredibly hyped. Both are the product of admittedly amazing technology. Both are solving problems no one ultimately is asking.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>They look really good, but one thing you have to understand is that this 3D is different on even a conceptual level than a lot of the other 3D out there...even stuff that uses the same technology, like BEOWULF.</p> <p>The problem with all other 3D I have ever seen, including BEOWULF--and I think this causes the effect you are talking about, which has been a problem for me too--is the way the 3D is used:</p> <p>Usually, the shit in the foreground is "coming out of the screen" and they go for that right-in-front-of-your-nose effect, which throws everything else out of wack. In the 16 minutes of footage we saw, there was not a single "coming out of the screen" moment. Instead, the screen is basically the closest plane of depth to the viewer, and then there is an illusion of depth--like the screen is a window and there is a world beyond that, as opposed to shit "hovering" over the audience in front of you.</p> <p>I can't say for sure, but I am guessing this might have helped to eliminate some of the blurriness problems of other 3D films.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    That looks horrible

    by Crooooooow

    Someone should tell them that Hype is supposed to make you want to see a movie not run from it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    JuanSanchez

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I will say that all Imax films, even 2D ones, depending on where I am sitting in the audience, tend to look a bit blurry to me during fast moving action scenes. But for this one I was sitting in the "sweet spot"...pretty much dead-center in the auditorium...and it looked great and was easy to follow even the quick tracking shots during the action.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    NUKE THE BLUE FUCKERS!!! NUKE THEM!!!!

    by HaterofCrap

    BURRRRRNNNNNNN

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Bag_of_Hammers

    by Amazing Maurice

    You've got a point.<p>Cameron totally (stupidly) oversold the technical aspect of this movie to a generation of movie go-ers jaded by vacuous CGi trash.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Waqman dont be Avatarded!

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    We are telling thet truth. This looks like ass.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Cameron should pay for my lasik

    by skimn

    cuz those fucking 3D specs hurt when you wear glasses, no matter how big they make them. Thats racism against the ocularly challenged. Thats right, James Cameron is a RASICT!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack - thanks for the info.

    by JuanSanchez

    Watching AOTC gave me one hell of a headache in IMAX. Just too much to take in.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Are all the native "true" aliens modeled on black people?

    by I Hope You Die

    Is that what Cameron meant when he said the avatars would be human-looking but the native Na'vi would be more alien? They have African features? I just checked IMDB and a quick glance through the cast list confirms that everybody with an alien name is played by a black actor.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    A rasict?

    by Royston Lodge

    I can accept that.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    OWWW MY EYEBALLS FUCKED!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    My wallet was fucked, too.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    NEWS FLASH......CAMERON A RASICT.

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    so, cameron is a racist now?

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    ok, i can see that. i'm in. :P

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    AND I CAN'T FUCKING SPELL!!

    by skimn

    !!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    slkboxrman, you're defending the biggest naysayer here

    by MattmanReturns

    Do you know anything about Locke? He hates everything not called Avatar. He's a notoriously negative talkbacker, and that's saying something.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    the scan with the scarred fellow

    by juice willis

    looks pretty fucking corny, man. the "realism" doesn't bother me so much. I could care less, really. It's just that, from what I've been exposed to via the trailer and the production stills, my excitement for this project has been diminished somewhat. looks a bit cliched and corny. same shit I got from Titanic, a film I didn't see until 3-4 years ago.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    don't apologize. you have exposed a deep dark truth in your post...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I think it's the blue that gets me

    by br1947

    Dropped a couple of the images in photoshop and changed the blues to greens and browns, looks a hell of alot better. I think something in our minds is just wired to scream "bullshit!" if something is blue. How many naturally bright blue critters are there besides birds? A few salamanders & some fish? The District 9 aliens were a hell of a lot more "alien" in design, but since they were natural tones, it was pretty easy to see them as realistic

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    proud to say that i have never seen TITANIC!

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    if you have and you are male then you lost a significant amount of testosterone in the process.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Let me guess, you think Death Proof is the greatest movie ever, right?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns fuck off

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You hate Avatar, you hate everything that AICN reports on. Yet, you're little shitty ass is still here?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Oops, I made him mad

    by MattmanReturns

    Stop nibbling at my leg, Salacious.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns don't you have something to slam?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's been almost a minute. You forgot to slam on the latest movie, book, TV series, etc.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar Jones & The Temple Of Dumb

    by Madbird

    I was quite psyched for this film leading up to last Friday. I snagged 2 tickets (quite easily - and regardless of the website later claiming that the showing was sold-out, the theatre was not more than 70% full) and went with my 11 year old son (he was also pretty excited to check it out). We both left the theatre incredibly underwhelmed. The lead alien looked like he had been modeled after Brendan Frasier, the sets looked like Jurassic Park painted in black-light-effected colors, and the scene when the Brendan Frasier alien shoved his hair into the alien dragon's tentacle was by far the STUPIDEST thing I have experienced in a movie theatre since Beverly Hills Chihuahua. It was so bad that it hurt. No joke. I can't imagine that the rest of the film could salvage the idiocy of what was previewed.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    You have me confused with someone else

    by MattmanReturns

    Nice try though.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    let me guess. you like titanic more than death proof. (if you answer yes, you might be gay. not that theres anything wrong with that)

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Shaner Jedi

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Mr Jedi, i'm well aware that they shot in California, but the battle scenes all use CG grass. So why don't you do a little research 'numbskull'. I'm sure you have all the 'Making Of' and 'Art Of' books on your Jedi shelf.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Let me guess, you're a racist, right? Yeah, i thought so.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you yelled "first!!!" on that new megan fox/catwoman talkback. that is officially lame.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by lockesbrokenleg

    How's that Tarentino shrine in your room? Collecting dust?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    And you're gonna yell "last" on this talkback Locke

    by MattmanReturns

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Does this mean that their is a Peter Venkmen Avatar?

    by AzulTool

    OK, so? I'm a cat.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    im only racist against james cameron because he is racist against blue cat people and people with bad vision like skimn. cameron portrays blue cat people as jungle natives! why can't blue cat people be bankers or insurance salesmen?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    *there

    by AzulTool

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Lockes complaining about baseless negativity?

    by ebonic_plague

    WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL LOCKESBROKENLEG???

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you bought my tarantino shrine on e-bay remember? you paid thousands of dollars more than you should have so that you could masturbate to that picture of zoe bell. remember?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck is Zoe Bell?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Weaver's avatar in the preview...

    by bobjustbob

    ... really impressed me. You could easily identify the character as her. The Empire image does not do the image on film justice. My concern with Cameron's work has never been about his technical abilities... he an excellent technician. I just hope his story is at least good enough to serve the visuals.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    ok fine. the cg grass in avatar is better than the cg grass in phantom menace. you win that one. but, jar jar is still better than the na'vi!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage... funny thing is...

    by MattmanReturns

    Locke yelled "FIRST" on the Basterds talkback...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    looks incredible

    by quamb

    f*ck the nerds and their hate filled CGI obsession. Those stills look bloody awesome to me.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    thunder cats hoooooooooooooooooo

    by shamon

    looks like a thundercat

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    lockesbrokenleg is clearly a "first" class movie fan. and anyone who can yell "first!!!" on a talkback has real talent

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Ain't gonna be no rematch, ain't gonna be no rematch. Don't want one!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    WOW.......someone mentioned Thundercats.

    by DrMorbius

    I wonder why no one else thought of that!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Regarding the NAVI / AVATAR designs....

    by Cervantes

    ....having now seen Sigourney's 'human avatar' I now realise why I think things look a little goofy where these things look- It's NOTHING whatsoever to do with the fact that they are stripey blue and 10 feet tall, nor the fact that certain shots might smack of obvious CG or not....no, it's the fact that I think Worthington's 'human avatar' looks daft because it's got the same WIDE nose exactly like the ones on the actual 'Na'vi' themselves!<P> Looking at Sigourney's 'avatar' design, I reckon it's not and 'eyes' or 'ears' thing, but a 'NOSE' thing that makes Jake's one look weird! If his 'avatar' design had looked more 'human-like' like Sigourney's one, and kept his 'nose' proportions, he would look less ridiculous, and would be more 'relatable' looking I believe.<P> While the look of the actual wide-nosed 'Na'vi' is merely okay, I think the VERY 'human'-like 'LIPS' is the weakness with them, and that they should have been given more of the 'cat'-like 'top lip' to give them a slightly MORE 'cat'-like alien look to go with their big 'cat'-like eyes and wide noses.<P> Here's an example of what I mean - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3427876615_bbe3d73302.jpg (which shows Ron Perlman in his 'Beast' make-up)<P> Basically, Jake's 'avatar' face looks TOO 'alien' to me, while the 'Na'vi' look TOO 'human' because of the 'lips'. Either way, if there REALLY is 'inter-species' kissing in this, rather than just a platonic friendship between 'avatar' and 'Na'vi', then I reckon this will come off even more ridiculous looking.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    THUNDA THUNDA THUNDA THUNDA SMURFS!!!!!

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    HOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    did anybody mention smurfs yet?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The Na'vi look like...

    by Baryonyx

    ...they should be in an episode of Farscape.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Is AVATAR going to result in the destruction

    by kwisatzhaderach

    of the AICN talkbacks? I can't see how this can go on to December and beyond...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Nobody mentioned FERNGULLY lately.

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Hypnotoad

    by Toonol

    Not everybody is hating on the film. I think it looks good. So do a lot of the talkbackers, including those that saw the extended preview.<p> Besides, I don't really care. It could be 2d animation, for all I care... I'm looking forward to an action scene filmed by a competent director. Finally.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Where's that Delgo 54321 guy?

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Somebody read your mind about Smurfs there...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    so, we have...

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    smurfs, thundercats, fern gully and dark crystal. anything i'm leaving out?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    The Avatar Hate

    by ZooTrain

    Remember 1997? Remember when people thought that Titanic would be James Cameron's "Waterworld"? Remember when people wondered if it would even make its money back? Granted, most of Titanic's money was from teenage girls who wanted to get their Leo fix. But still...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Avatar will destroy AICN

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I bet this site will really slam it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    If you think *THIS TB* is a BIG stupid disagreement...

    by The_Hypnotoad

    You should've seen the CLOVERFIELD Talkbacks. Specially the "It's awesome" one...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    When Sam Worthington...

    by Baryonyx

    ...rolls down the drop-ships's ramp and there are mecha-type machines and stuff all around him... does it look REMOTELY real? You know: real-looking the way scenes in, say, Children of Men looked realistic?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    ZooTrain

    by DrMorbius

    If teenage girls can go for SPARKLU Vampires.......

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    SPARKLY Damn it!

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Children of Men was filned for 10 bucks

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Let's get realistic here.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    So...

    by Baryonyx

    ...Children of Men was filmed for 10 bucks but it STILL looked more realistic!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Maybe SPARKL U was shere they went to school!

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    if the blue na'vi cat people

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    sparkled like in twilight... oh, wait... they do sparkle like twilight....

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    CHildren of Men was also a movie Oprah could love

    by lockesbrokenleg

    blech.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    cloverfield

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i saw it! its a lion...and blue!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    lockes get over it, Avatar is a CGI diahrea swirl

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Blue-cat-woman=yuck

    by TooWhippy

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Wanna go "REAL"? No planet (besides earth) can support life.

    by The_Hypnotoad

    So, to satisfy the "lack of realism" naysayers complain, AVATAR should be about Sam Worthington wearing an oxygen mask, rolling on a Wheelchair on Mars for Two and a half hours...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Children of Men was also well filmed

    by MattmanReturns

    and thought provoking, so what would you know about it, Salacious?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Cameron needs to reign it in a bit

    by juice willis

    If the computer generated elements of the film weren't so brazenly touted as photorealistic, which at this point at least, they clearly aren't, I don't think there would be so much naysaying.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Why Sigourney looks different....

    by Cervantes

    ....regardless of the quality of the movie, remember the terrific make-up designs for Burton's 'Planet of the Apes'? - http://www.fancast.com/blogs/wp-content/post_images/Blog-Planet-Of-The-Apes.jpg (Tim Roth's make-up)<P> But remember how all that good work was ruined because Burton's squeeze was allowed a 'more flattering' look, complete with 'hairdo', 'eyeliner', and 'lipstick'!.... - http://www.fond-ecran.com/ORIGINAUX/cinema/planet_apes/planet_apes_024.jpg<P> Well, same thing here, as the WIDE nose look would have made her a lot more unrecognisable in her 'avatar' mode. Unfortunately, this just makes Worthington look silly now....and looking more 'unrelatable' in his 'avatar' mode than Sigourney does. The SAME look should have been kept for BOTH of them....preferably with 'normal' noses!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It was also a rip off several sci fi novels. What's your point?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    trannyformers

    by redkamel

    keep posting that shit, it makes me laugh every time. This movie looks ok, but not great. If it didnt have camerons name on it, I would not have thought twice about it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Thundercats! Thundercats! THUNDERCATS!!!

    by vettebro

    Hooooooooooooo!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Someone had to say it...

    by vettebro

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Oooh...

    by JDHoggJr

    Well now, that computer Generated Imaging is getting better and better all the time. I wonder if we can get one made o' my daddy J.D. for the Library?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Fa Fa Phooey

    by YackBacker

    thanks dude!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    vettebro, lots of people have said it

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Crap...

    by vettebro

    TakingScorpiosCalls beat me to it. I guess I should read some posts first. Great minds think alike.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Remember FINAL FANTASY: SPIRITS WITHIN?

    by Billy Goat

    Remember how everyone oohed and aahed at how photo-realistic the characters looked in still pics? Remember how everyone changed their tune when they finally saw the movie? <P>Granted, motion-capture technology is the perfect solution to fix the zombie-stare and other animation problems FF had. But that's not enough to make it a revolutionary leap forward. It's a refinement.<P>We already know that anything is possible in animation. The *real* tricky part will be convincing the non-geeks to take seriously what is essentially a cartoon. The trailers should emphasize story instead of bragging about technology.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage...

    by vettebro

    I see that now. I wonder if Cameron and his minions thought about the potential "Thundercat" rip off, blowback.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    this movie looks like SHIT

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is essentially a cartoon, shithead

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's one of the most highest grossing film franchises ever. Your precious Batman is also a fucking cartoon essentially.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Question...

    by vettebro

    What is the key combination to add newline whitespace in these talkbacks?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Billy Goat

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Fair enough on all counts, but how exactly are the *trailers* "bragging about technology"?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    You make Harry angry

    by BoE

    when you talk your ugly talk about Avatar. Mr. James is Harry's friend - Harry love Mr. James; he make the magic light pictures and send Harry photos and action dolls. And Harry love the pretty-pretty blue cat people things from the jungle forest of Avatar planet. They are tasteful to his love of film. Harry wants to be their friend in their adventure world of dragon flying and mech shooting. Your ugly talk make Harry angry, and when Harry get angry, he get hungry. Time for delicious KFC chicken bowls!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    As far as what the "average" moviegoer thinks...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ...I saw BASTERDS on Sunday in a packed house, and the general reaction to all three "geek" trailers--this, WOLFMAN, and INCEPTION--all seemed positive. It was cool...there was an audible positive reaction from people when "from the director of THE DARK KNIGHT" popped up in the INCEPTION teaser. Good for Chris Nolan. There were audible "wows" and "whoas", etc., form people in my vicinity during both WOLFMAN and AVATAR, so I did not in any way have the experience of some, where people were laughing at it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    We're getting the "Thundersmurfs-Hoo!" since last week, sorry

    by The_Hypnotoad

    And every single one that have writted it, thinks it's his "original and funny" own idea...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu- nail on the head with Watto in Episode II

    by D.Vader

    By God, that might be one of my favorite moments from Attack of the Clones. The "acting" that Watto does in that scene is fantastic, where he's not quite sure if its Anakin, he's got an inkling, but then he decides no, it couldn't be. You can literally see the debate going on behind his eyes. And then when Anakin sets down the fixed pit droid and his wings go aflutter with the realization- excellent work.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, and *A LOT* of average people still thinks thus

    by The_Hypnotoad

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    This movie looks BAD... and NOT "good" bad.

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    This really does look like a Final Fantasy film... in other words, obviously CGI and NOT real, however detailed it may be. Now the 3D may BE spectacular and like nothing we've ever seen before, but just from looking at the trailer, seeing the characters in action and the the large number of stills out there, it's PAINFULLY obvious that these characters AREN'T solid, AREN'T 3-dimensional and are simply hi-def cartoons merged with live-action. And quite frankly, I blame James Cameron.<p>He's the one who's arrogantly hyped this movie as the movie that will revolutionize films for the next 20 years, yet when push came to shove, he's shown us nothing that hasn't been done 1000 times before (and better) in the past!<p>Do ANY of you think that the CGI in this film looks more believable than the work done in JURASSIC PARK 16 years ago or DISTRICT 9 this summer??? I sure don't! This is just the latest in a long line of overhyped, overpriced "epics" that have more to do with the ego of the guy BEHIND the film, than it does with the actual contents OF the film. Because, honestly, this $240 million movie looks like a joke.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    To the general audience..

    by TooWhippy

    it looks like another one of those CG fantasy films like The Golden Compass or Shorts.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    *A LOT* of average people still think this is Last Airbender

    by The_Hypnotoad

    Sorry the double posting... sleeazy fingers...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Remember the Serenity trailers?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    FROM THE GUY WHO WROTE BUFFY! Ah, yeah, right. LOL.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    This is why JC gets to spend all that money on Avatar...

    by vettebro

    http://www.boxofficemojo.c om/alltime/

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Hey look!

    by vettebro

    Showgirls has the NC-17 record. LOL!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Revenge of the Sith is awesome

    by D.Vader

    I'm watching it on Spike right now.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOO!

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    O yea

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Fuck it.

    by ebonic_plague

    Have fun sucking the joy out of every movie that has ever and will ever be made. And frankly. I can no longer voluntarily subject myself to the unmitigated ass-hattery that has become this site's bread and butter. And it's not like I'll miss any news or exclusives. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.... *points to the ~10% of TBers that make this place fun* YOU'RE cool... fuck you I'm out.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Stop bitching and don't fucking see it

    by MandrakeRoot

    You people need to seriously get a life, so fucking negative about everything that comes your way. No matter how many of you people say it looks like shit, does NOT make it true. And you people will also have ZERO effect on how much money this movie's gonna make. So don't see it, no one gives a shit. People who like good sci-fi/ fantasy movies by good directors are gonna be more than pleased. <p> The comparisons to phantom menace are absolutely hilarious. When this movie comes out and every critic is hailing it as a true breakthrough in CGI, then what are you fuckers gonna be saying? From seeing the preview I already know for a fact that your all wrong. And I also now how goddamn exciting the footage was, like nothing I've ever experienced. <p> So if you really hate what you see, then don't see the fucking movie. But oh wait, we all know you'll be there first in line.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Oh and look around the web

    by MandrakeRoot

    People are generally very pleased with what they've seen, and reports from Avatar day have ranged from impressed, to life-changing. So keep ignoring the facts, but just know that it's only in the fantasy world of AICN that talkbackers can't get over a movie not meeting their expectations based on blurry photos and a 2 minute preview.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Some problems with Revenge of the Sith...

    by vettebro

    1. Palapatine kills two Jedi so easily. 2. A whiny, sniffling, bitchy, cry baby for future Darth Vader. 3. Padme dies for what? (Lost the will to live?) She just had twins. She doesn't give a shit about her kids? 4. Yoda gives up the fight too easily with Palapatine and runs away like a scared rabbit. Lame...I could go on and on...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Geeks have a shameful lack of loyalty.

    by Spikey

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Oh and ebonic plague

    by MandrakeRoot

    There's nothing you can tell these people so it's really useless. Just have comfort in the fact that people who have seen the footage know what's up, and everyone else will look like fools come December.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    wouldnt it be "THUNDERSMURFS LAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!"

    by ThePilgrim

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    C'mon, e_plague. The "Hoo!" screams will last just untill Dec.

    by The_Hypnotoad

    It's not that bad... you can resist untill then.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Doesn't look that good.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see Weaver in blue makeup...

    by kevred

    ...than a CG fabrication.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Rebuttals to problems with Revenge of the Sith

    by D.Vader

    1. I agree, 2 Jedi fell too easily. I understand the reasoning- you gotta show Palpatine is a fucking badass- but it was mishandled. Ian Mcdiarmid is a bit too old for sword-fighting, so it looked awkward and slow the way Palpatine killed them. It could have been handled in a better way, but I have no problem with Palpatine killing 2 Jedi easily. <p>2. Anakin was not a whiny, sniffling, bitchy, cry baby in ROTS. That's AOTC you're thinking of. <p>3. Padme dies from injuries sustained by her encounter with Anakin. Her "losing the will to live" is just doctor robot's medical mumbo-jumbo. <p> 4. Yoda lost his saber and the high ground during the fight. Plus, Yoda can only go in great bursts before he starts losing energy (I'm guessing, I think its obvious that's the impression Lucas was trying to give). Once he was knocked down from the platforms and sustained what looks like some pretty painful head injuries, I think he knew he had lost all his advantages.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    My point was...

    by D.Vader

    None of those are dealbreakers for me.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I'd also rather see puppets...

    by kevred

    ...because The Dark Crystal is a more inspiring work of actual craftsmanship than is a bunch of balding 20-somethings hunched over a bank of computers.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    And hand-drawn animation is also more artistic...

    by kevred

    ...sure, it's not 3-D sensory-immersion IMAX blah blah, but I'd rather look at a Van Gogh painting than ride a carnival ride. To each their own, I suppose.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Hypnotoad & Mandrake....

    by ebonic_plague

    ...maybe I'll see you after December, then. Maybe this place will go back to being a place for movie lovers to discuss loving movies, but I doubt it. It'll probably just slide further toward mediocrity until Harry pulls the plug or sells it. But even being tangentially associated with the retards that pollute these TB's has become intolerable. I think I liked movies better before I started posting here. I think I'll go back to that. Peace.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    We are angry loyal nerds!

    by BoE

    We love JC. If you can't see how excellent Avatar is you are a fool! You must be retarded! Just look at those giant furry blue cat things - how can you not see how lifelike and amazing they are?!? What are you, blind?! You must be blind and retarded! Why do you keep making fun of the most awesome movie ever made?!? Our loyalty is strong, but you are making us so angry! Stop it now! Stop it and love JC and Avatar! Now!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    need a laugh?

    by MandrakeRoot

    Jar Jar Binks; http://tinyurl.com/n4kdfx Neytiri http://tinyurl.com/n4kdfx Yeah...so similar

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Madbird- they WERE NOT filling the theaters

    by D.Vader

    I thought everyone knew that by now. You say "they weren't even filled 70%" like its an insult, when in reality that's the number they wanted for each theater. Its much easier for security to watch for bootleggers that way.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    MandrakeRoot, I have seen the footage or at least 20 minutes.

    by TooWhippy

    And that's enough for me to tell its not living up to the hype that Mr. Cameron gave it. Of course I'll see the entire picture when It's released. He made arrogant statements about the movie and so he is inviting this kind of criticism. This isn't a "game-changer" or at least that's my opinion from the 20 minutes that I've seen in 3D which is enough. It just looks like what it is, a really expensive animated movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    CGI Yoda sucks ass

    by ThePilgrim

    He always pissed off looking and perfectly symmetrical in contrast to the absolute art Stuart Freeborn made for ESB. Fuck the kids are growing up. Now they want talk shit about which Yoda looked better and had more of a soul. You dry stupid cunts. Empires Yoda was the best. It the first one you saw. That looked became the blueprint and ILM shit all over it. All the toys show yoda as a pissed of mutherfucker, sideshows has him killing a clone trooper. Thats not my yoda. Not at all. They should have laserscanned the original puppet and added more hair to make him look younger. fucker ages 1 year for every ten he lives. He was 90 in esb. and 84 in phantom. The movement of the CGI yoda might have been much more real but the look is shit!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    sorry that got fucked up...again

    by MandrakeRoot

    Jar Jar <p> http://tinyurl.com/l2e6yv <p> Neytiri <p> http://tinyurl.com/n4kdfx

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    "It's the first one you saw. That look became"

    by ThePilgrim

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Vader...Sith debate

    by vettebro

    #3. I believe the medical robot says something to the fact, "We can't find anything wrong with her...It's like she has lost the will to live." Mumbo jumbo? Is the robot a lying piece of shit? Why did they program the robots to lie?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Avatar is a gift to the world

    by BoE

    Why can't you see that? JC sacrificed everything and worked for years and years to give the people of earth a message of environmental responsibility and peace and love. And all you can do is make fun and laugh. What is wrong with you? Aren't you ashamed? Why can't you just buy your imax ticket now and be grateful? Or better yet, do as we loyal angry nerds have done and write a JC a personal letter thanking him for his humanitarianism. Do it, motherfuckers! Write JC a letter and apologize for making fun of the beautifully realized cookie monster creatures and tell him how great he is! Do it now!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    GhostWhoLurks, you might want to get your facts straight

    by D.Vader

    James Cameron has not hyped this movie. What he has hyped is the way he has *made* the movie, and many others have picked up his lead (in which he described how he's developed a new way of shooting 3-D) and many *other* people ran with it and said its "revolutionary" and that they predict this is the future of movies- that directors will now start shooting their films with this technology. As a matter of fact, Ridley Scott is already planning on shooting his next scifi film with this 3D setup. <p> So don't throw all your blame at Cameron for all the misunderstandings that have arisen around the source of the "hype".

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Because, Fettebro...

    by D.Vader

    HE'S A DIRTY STINKING ROBOT! YOU CAN'T TRUST THOSE FUCKERS!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    A agree ebonic

    by MandrakeRoot

    This place has become a wasteland of negative nerds. But it doesn't matter one bit, because this place is like a bizarro world. Even the beloved Dark Knight is hated on with a passion now. And of course Neil Blomkamps next film will be just as derided. This is place is so predictable someone should start making bets on it. <p> Oh and Avatar will absolutely be revolutionary to film. That is a complete guarantee, no matter how many nerds think different. The film could be horrible and it will still be a game-changer.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I agree ebonic

    by MandrakeRoot

    This place has become a wasteland of negative nerds. But it doesn't matter one bit, because this place is like a bizarro world. Even the beloved Dark Knight is hated on with a passion now. And of course Neil Blomkamps next film will be just as derided. This is place is so predictable someone should start making bets on it. <p> Oh and Avatar will absolutely be revolutionary to film. That is a complete guarantee, no matter how many nerds think different. The film could be horrible and it will still be a game-changer.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Vader...Sith debate

    by vettebro

    #4. Yoda lost his saber and high ground? How many races of people died under the hands of the empire over the years? Fucking millions on Alderan alone. This was Yoda's chance to stop the rise of the Sith and STOP the coming Empire. The little fucker should have given his life in the attempt to stop Palapatine. Yoda gave up! How many lives did that choice cost?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    MandrakeRoot,

    by TooWhippy

    Are you saying that there shouldn't be debate? So what if its negative. Don't people have the right to their opinions? I think you mean revolutionary to cinema not "film" BTW. Also, nice double post.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Avatar is a digital movie.... no film.

    by TooWhippy

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Si'Gour'Ney We'Ave'r i's Ag'ing Od'dly

    by Anything But Tangerines

    What with the blue skin and the apostrophes

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    LOL!

    by Royston Lodge

    Anything But Tangerines get a NoPrize for that one...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    vettebro, re: Yoda

    by D.Vader

    I just watched that scene because its on tv. Yoda lost his saber, didn't know where it was, and fell from a very high distance, landing on his side and rolling around on his head. He really had no advantages at that point. I agree that he decided to "go into exile" a little too quickly, but based on that fight alone, he had no other options but to regroup.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    You Idiots

    by storyrules777

    wait until this is released and the story unfolds in spectacular imax 3d. jc hasn't failed us yet.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by smackfu

    Actually, that Star Trek chick was green. My theory stands.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Isn't it about time for TrannyDouche to show up again?

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Vader...Sith debate

    by vettebro

    "Into exile I must go"...Bullshit...Yoda's weakness cost millions of lives. Lucas fucked up the whole mythos too. The "force" is not something to be explained. #5. The ending with Vader's "Frankenstein" moment and the cliche, "NOOOOOO!!! Like I said, I could go on and on and on...The movie was mediocre at best.

  • Maybe Fox can tie in Pandora as the Alien Homeworld. Keep up the hating and they'll throw in some Predators because it sounds like all the negativity on this movie's opening trailer is making some Fox executives nervous.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    It's the story that...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...makes my reaction to all things Avatar tepid.<p> "Dances with Wolves" in space. *yawn* I don't care how much eyeball fuckery is going to occur, if the story is a hackneyed, trite bore, I'm not going to slavishly lap from Cameron's scrote, unlike the rest of you fanboys.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    MidnightMeatTrain...

    by vettebro

    Now that was a good movie!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    OnO

    by DrMorbius

    The only negativity for Avatar is on "fan" sites like AICN.<P>And exactly how are you privy to Fox's Executives's to know they're nervous?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Something to consider...

    by vettebro

    Does anyone remember the "hype" that surrounded Cameron's "Abyss"? The water tentacle and the sea aliens where hyped as "spectacular" and "groundbreaking" too. While I enjoyed the movie, the story was just "ok" at best. How do the FX hold up now? You decide...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    vettebro

    by DrMorbius

    Were you asking how to make paragraphs?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Fox shouldn't be nervous, all of us complainers are seeing it.

    by ganymede3010

    Opening night. That's a fact. The only beef I have with the movie is the lazy designs of the Navi. Despite that I'm leaving the door open for the actual film to sway my opinion in the other direction. It's Cameron's fault for hyping up the movie so much, along with the first critics it was screened to.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    vettebro

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Whether or not the ABYSS water tentacle holds up after all these years, it WAS truly groundbreaking. It was the first cgi "character" effect of it's kind in the history of film, if I am not mistaken. It was the first step toward making things like JURASSIC PARK possible.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    OMG! HAVE YOU SEEN THIS COMIC? AUTHOR SAYS NAVI ARE HIS DESIGN!

    by The_Hypnotoad

    I know all of you know about the "DELGO" stuff, but... have you seen THIS brazillian guy claiming he design the NA'VI just the way theu are now back in '97? Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/l2sn4t

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    How do the FX hold up now?

    by DrMorbius

    FX are continually evolving/progressing, your point is invalid

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius...

    by vettebro

    The point is on your head. ; )

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"along with the first critics it was screened to"</p> <p>How can you deride someone for voicing their honest opinion? I saw the 3D presentation and I was pretty blown away...although, if you notice, I am one of the few people on here on either side of the "debate" who is refraining from hyperbole. Still, "blown away" is definitely how I would describe my reaction to the 3D presentation.</p> <p>I thought it looked amazing on every level. CGI "acting", 3D, production design...the works. Maybe you don't. Fair enough. But I am not saying you are wrong in your opinion, so how can you say someone else is wrong in theirs? That's why it's called an "opinion" and not a "fact".</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I mean "He says he design the NA'VI just the way they are now"

    by The_Hypnotoad

    Correcting the Typo...

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Hypnotoad..

    by vettebro

    Looks like a potential lawsuit to me.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    GeneralJack...

    by vettebro

    In comparison to the groundbreaking FX of "Abyss" back then, and "Avatar" right now, what are your thoughts? Equally as good? Better? Obviously today's FX are better, my point is in the context of innovation. We have seen 3D tech and good CGI (Jurassic Park to use your example, District 9, etc...) How does it compare in the format you saw it?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    The_Hypnotoad

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>In all fairness, some things are just a coincidence. For example, I had a comic book published back in 2006--nationally distributed through Diamond--and it featured a bioluminescent jungle just like the one in AVATAR. Now, obviously I was aware that AVATAR was in the works, but I had no idea about the "glow-in-the-dark" jungle until the footage screened at Sand Diego Comic Con last month. Did I rip off Cameron? No. Do I think he ripped me off (or even saw my comic for that matter, lol)? No. Sometimes, cool ideas are just cool ideas, and many people have them.</p> <p>That said, of course Cameron has been taken to court before--and lost--over violating other people's IP...BUT that was THE OUTER LIMITS, not some indie comic like mine or this Brazilian chap's.</p> <p>Plus, I don't speak or read Portugese, so I can't make heads or tails of that blog...but how do I know that was ever even published? The lettering looks pretty amateurish...whose to say that isn't a hoax?</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Actually the stained glass knight from Young Sherlock Holmes...

    by D.Vader

    Was the first CGI "Character" if we're going to split hairs.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    vettebro

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>I definitely DO NOT think that any of the CGI--character work OR environments--is going to be as big a leap forward as those early CGI characters like the tentacle, the T100, or the dinos of JP.</p> <p>What I have said, and stand by, is that the CGI character work that I have seen (to be fair, only 16 minutes' worth) is AMONG the best I have seen. I can't say it's *better* than Gollum, or Davey Jones, or Christopher Johnson, but I think it certainly looks like it might stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them...again *from what I have seen*.</p> <p>I do think that the environments are the best I have ever seen, though. Is it a huge leap forward? No. Someone above said it perfectly: it is an evolution, not a revolution.</p> <p>Now, as for the 3D itself...THAT is more of a leap than any of the CGI, but even that I would describe thus:</p> <p>AVATAR's 3D vs all other 3D = DVD vs. BLURAY</p> <p>In other words, it isn't like you've never seen this shit before...but it looks noticeably--INSTANTLY noticeably--more impressive than it ever has.</p>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    But wasn't that based around the same technology that movies like TRON and THE LAST STARFIGHTER used? Like polygons or some shit? I am pretty sure the actual computers themselves...the graphics engines or whatever (I am not a computer-phile)...that were used for the ABYSS made different types of shit possible than had ever been possible before. Texture mapping and such.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I call it "a coincidence" now. But a weird one, though

    by The_Hypnotoad

    The story seems to be as follows: The author says he and a friend make this comic for a contest in a Brazillian magazine, in July 1997, but they didn't win. That's why it looks so amateurish. They don't plan "suit" or anything, but just tell a funny story to his friends about it. But this is the Internet, and I'm sure now It will spread like a fire. Mea culpa for the missleading title. The author don't "claim" nothing.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Jeaolous

    by BoE

    You who do not admit that Avatar is the greatest movie that has ever been or will ever be are blinded by jealousy. You know that you will never do anything nearly as important with your sad, pathetic life so you pretend not to see what a genius JC is and laugh and make fun. But secretly, deep inside, you know that you are crying. You ache to be closer to JC, to walk in his footsteps and follow his mysterious ways. You are not worthy and you know it. I am going to drive my mother's car to the 7-11 now and get a microwave burrito and a big gulp - don't be here when I get back.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    BoE, your joke wasn't funny the firsts THREE times... and...

    by The_Hypnotoad

    ... and it's not funny now. Stick with the "Thundersmurfs Hoo!" group, would ya?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I Hate Any Story Having To Do With Avatar Now

    by Crow3711

    I saw the 16 minute preview, I know, for myself, for a fucking fact, that it looks FUCKING BRILLIANT and the only thing that remains to be seen is if the Dances with Thundersmurfs story actually brings the good stuff. The technology is revolutionary, I loved it, I had a giant nerd-boner in my seat. All of these talkbacks are awful, this movie has entirely too much hype and kneejerk reactions and misinformation to make for any sort of a coherent or interesting talkback. I don't even know why I'm typing this. Maybe, just maybe, one person who didn't get to see the 3-D Preview, will read and recognize a fellow rational person, and understand that they should ignore the nonsense and just be plain excited to see the movie, knowing it could be good or bad, just like any other, but that it's going to look incredible.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    EAT IT, HATERS! AVATAR WILL WIN AWARDS...

    by uberman

    ...when the RAZZIES are announced. Just call me Nostrodamus.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    The Preview Was Like Nothing I've Ever Experienced!!!

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    And sex is another thing I've never experienced.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Hypnotoad...if that is your real name...

    by BoE

    Stop writing your lies about this brazillian liar who is lying about JC. Avatar is the most important thing to happen to human culture ever in history and you are trying to ruin it with lies! You can't understand JC's great plan for humankind so you laugh and lie and try and ruin it for everyone. Well, I have some news for you - we, the angry nerds, aren't going to let you destroy the future with your message of hate! We will cut through the propaganda to deliver the truth about JC and Avatar and the wise Na'vi!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    AVATROLLS

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <P>Just wanted to throw it out there before anyone else, in case it catches on, which might impress people I will never meet. Then I can say I started something gay on a message board and reap the rewards.</P> <P>Which do not exist.</P>

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    by The_Ad_Wizard_Who_Came_Up_With_This_One

    It's really funny, All you guys discuss what this movie IS, is it animation, that would be shit, is it ohmygodgamechanger, then it would be alright...<p> The only thing i get from this (and especially the 100000000 talkback posts is that simply EVERYBODY will go see this thing. It's apparent that it's gonna be huge.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    So who started this "Fucking your eyeballs" thing anyways?

    by Rectal Blowout

    Wasn't it somebody here like a year ago?

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    It Could Be Just Me

    by MakNeil

    It could be just me, but what little I have seen of Avatar makes me want to see Tron: Legacy even more, though I doubt that that's the reaction James Cameron expects.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Old directors treat CG like a baby with a new Toy.

    by Orionsangels

    Lucas, Spielberg, Cameron and Zemeckis, at some point decided. That CG was the answer to all special effects. That they could do less and still deliver the best special effects the world has ever seen! To some extent that's true, but these old directors have abused CG and got carried away with this fairly new technology. In their minds. They're impressing us, just look at that scene in the Avatar trailer, where the Na'vi speaks and says, "This is great" Then smiles. At that point, Cameron expects the audience to say, WOW! LOOK HOW REAL THAT LOOKS!!! You've blown us away! No Cameron. Your ego has made you naive. We've seen too much CG by now to be impressed by that. We know better.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    My problem with these Blue Na'vi...

    by conspiracy

    Why blue? They don't blend into their surroundings, in fact they kinda stand out. Evolution was asleep on this fucking planet? Or did Cameron just fucking blurt out.."Blue...these MUST be Furry Blue Fuckers"...in order to guarantee the Furry Fetish demo?</p><p>Predators, and these most certainly are, are never colorful..they always blend into their environment...evolution is an expert at camouflage...Jim must have missed that class.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Yanno

    by RamboJesus

    After watching the teaser trailer, I've got a sneaky suspicion that this movie is going to end up being a total letdown. It's just a general odd feeling of 'yanno, I think I've probably seen this movie a bunch of times already, oh but this time the CGI is so pretty!' Bleh.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Blah Blah Blah prequels suck, Avatar sucks Iron Man 2 sucks

    by lockesbrokenleg

    blah blah blah

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    FERNGULLYTHUNDERCATS

    by Player01

    1) I've never seen or heard of Thundercats </br> 2) I've never seen or heard of Fern Gully </br> Thank god I don't live in America. Maybe I will be allowed to enjoy this movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by xalener

    3d is no more a gimmick than color was. Get some fucking perspective. All of you.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Player01

    by DrMorbius

    You'd better go to a different TB then, the TROLLS here are always looking for fresh goats!

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Player01...No, it just means you'll be allowed

    by conspiracy

    to bitch even more once you do see it. Forewarned is forearmed.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    And I've never met anyone of any age..

    by conspiracy

    that does not know what the fuck a Thundercat is! Fuck...where did you grow up, under the rule of the fucking Taliban? I have fucking friends in The Netherlands who know what the fucking Thundercats are! Youtube it baby..Youtube it.

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Crow3711 just said it best.

    by gotilk

    Summed it all up there. I'll add my own crap anyway, however. <br> I saw the Imax preview and it was visually stunning. So much so that if the story just isn't there(I want it to be)... I will still enjoy the hell out of being IN that place. And honestly, for the first time, the 3d really felt like that. Immersive. Now, for those of you poo-pooing all over this and hoping for failure. You know what? Be careful what you wish for. For those of you thinking STILL that this is a gimmick, wake up and smell the 3d. This is a gimmick like color and sound was. <br>"DIMENSIONS?? What on earth does anyone want with that crap??<br> Well, we have these things called eyes. Not unlike the ears you use to listen to 7.1 channels of audio, there are 2 of them. One of them is a little to the side of the other, which allows you to see depth... instead of just hints of depth, clues. You SEE in 3d, which is not exactly a gimmick. Just like sound wasn't... like color wasn't. But we needed time and commitment from the industry to invest in and develop the quality of the experience so that it more closely approximates human dimensional vision. From someone who was there and has seen all OTHER kinds of 3d technology, including crude VR, I can say without any reservation that we have arrived, period. Anyone saying the 3d is not right yet has vision problems. I get it, it'd make me angry, too. But let's not confuse your vision problem with a problem in the current technology. It's as close to perfected as I've seen. The only "next step" really is true 3d, head-tracked VR featuring graphics that don't look like they're being generated by an Amiga. But then that would be a PLACE you visit, not a film experience. This is it for films. This is as immersive as the medium will get. Any more and it demands interactivity. This isn't about going all fanboy hard-on for Cameron, this is about the technology itself and how difficult it is to convey a truly NEW way of experiencing film. It honestly reminds me of how hard it was to convey what VR was after the first time I experienced the real deal. You just have to try it yourself. Or not. And it will either really impress the hell out of you OR you're just not the kind of person who is interested in immersive entertainment. The look of the CG, the character designs, the animation/movement... all of it pales in comparison to the deeply immersive EXPERIENCE of the whole. <br> <br> Oh and did I say the words IMMERSIVE or IMMERSION yet?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    The Saldana Na'avi

    by Toonol

    I just realized, that's not a headband she has on her head. It's a pair of hand-made glasses. Take a look at is.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Regardless of whether the CGI FX

    by Pig_Ignorant

    are groundbreaking or not (and wtf the fuck is wrong with you people, they look bloody good), JC has a track record of making movies that are genuinely huge in scope, that RESONATE, unlike those "look mummy, I can direct big action scenes" arseholes Bay, McG, and yes, even Lucas, so I predict this movie WILL be a big fucking deal. Just wait and see.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    All the complaints are pointless

    by one9deuce

    Here are two facts: <p> Nobody shoots an action scene better than James Cameron. <p> Nobody does epic better than James Cameron. <p> This movie is both epic in scale and will have a LOT of action. Bitching about anything else is a waste of time. King Kong in the original KING KONG doesn't look real and it doesn't matter one bit because he looks awesome! But 90+% of AVATAR is going to look real, the few times that your mind thinks "animation" will be few and far between.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Movies that had a bigger budget than Avatar:

    by Mr. Moe

    Superman Returns ($270 million) POTC: At Worlds End ($300 million) Avatar's Budget - $200 million

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    This is going to be...

    by Logan_1973

    Like watching that Final Fantasy movie. I had higher hopes from Jim.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Mr. Moe

    by DrMorbius

    Any idea what the budget is for 2012?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    My one word summation of the AVATAR storyline:

    by BurnHollywood

    Ewoks.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Damn you Avatrolls!

    by BoE

    I will love Avatar even if the "story just isn't there". I will love it even if the fx are as bad as the trolls want us to believe. I will love it even if the screen is black and the dialogue consists of two hours of porn moans and grunts. That is how great this movie is! Writing, directing, acting, special effects - none of these things matter - all that matters is that you BELIEVE! All these avatrolls have is their lies and smart alecky word games - we know better. Join me, angry nerds - rise up and defend JC and his magnum opus - AVATAR!!!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    I'll say this one more time...

    by BurnHollywood

    A true "game-changer" is when you see a sequence and can't figure out how they did it, just sat there and marveled. When that brachiosaur strolled out in JURASSIC PARK was a notable example. The latest was the first half hour of BENJAMIN BUTTON. <p> Creating several fully believable human "synthespians" is the final frontier, and no movie (including AVATAR) has done that yet. AVATAR looks like a large-scale version of what we're used to, but it's no game-changer, and it annoys the shit out of some of us that it's being touted as such by this site. Tone the fucking hype down next time.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    This is his wet dream movie . . .

    by aboriginal

    . . . and we're possibly gonna get hosed. Should've been more "alien" lookin' aliens and less fantasy dream boyish. I can see why in order to get the human audience to read emotions right, but we got emotions just as easy from R2D2. Plot also is lookin' very thin, transparent and overused.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    If boring shit like Benjamin Buttons can get awards

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Avatar sure fucking can.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see this.

    by Evangelion217

    These Navi creatures just look gorgeous! I don't know if this film will be a hit, but I might love it. Hell, maybe alot of us will go nuts over it. :)

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Jurassic Park

    by darthvedder81

    As awesome as the T-Rex paddock scene was and as well as it holds up today it's important to keep in mind that the entire scene takes place at night in the rain. That provides an insane amount of cover for CGI (see "The Two Towers"). Lucas was the first to really have the balls to do CG in full daylight and anyone who's not a rabid prequel hater has to admit that he was at least mostly successful. I've only seen the Avatar trailer so I'll have to withhold judgment on the overall look of the film. I think it looks fine for now but I have yet to see anything mind blowing. Cameron is a cocky dude and always talks up his flicks. If he can make a satisfying sci-fi action flick that makes coherent visual sense (unlike just about everything made the last 4-5 years) he can put all the 1's and 0's up on the screen he wants to.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    You know there's more to movies then CGI

    by MandrakeRoot

    It's getting kind of ridiculous because people are only judging this film on it's CGI. It seems like just cause maybe the CGI didn't meet every ones expectations the films shit. Well when I ask you has CGI been 100% life like? The best CGI out there is in live-action films, not mostly CGI films, which Avatar is (which is very impressive). People are bitching about the CGI just cause it's not 100% photo-real, but the style in which the film is works in this context. It is stylized, but it still looks damn good and anyone who really can't see that just has unrealistic expectations. All that matters is that the CGI characters can give real performances, and that they do. <p> Never before has CGI played as big as a role in determining opinions on a film, so why should now be different? You know, using your imagination isn't such a bad thing. I think if people would stop nitpicking so much and see the film for what it is (A beautiful looking CGI sci-fi/fantasy/action flick by a proven director) they must just enjoy the damn thing. <p> All I can guarantee is that the experience is immersive like none-other, and you will forget about any animation that's not 100% photo-real. If you don't thats just kinda sad and obsessive. Plus, the 3D, and new tech Cameron used to film this is every bit as revolutionary as he has said. It really is remarkable.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Oh and I've got no clue what a Thundercat is

    by MandrakeRoot

    But if it's anything like what Cameron's created, it must be pretty fucking cool. <p> Oh and I meant film as in cinema.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I wonder how the home video release will go

    by Meadowe

    If this even gets released will it be able to showcase the reported technological advancements this fliq supposedly has? And personally I still haven't seen anything besides SW that makes me wanna see this....yet.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    If you don't know what the THundercates are, kill yourself.

    by xalener

    I'm 16 fucking years old and I know them well.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    "If it's blue ... we can kill it!"

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    They're clearly superimposed, don't exist in their environments. Cheap practical effects look better than this cartoon animation. So much for the mind-blowing eyeball-fucking. But remember the slogan: JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS, COMING IN 2009!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Poor John Williams...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    How bored he must have been watching the early footage of the prequels and knowing he had to come up with music for that shit.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I admire ebonic_plague.

    by DocPazuzu

    I wish I had the fortitude to leave AICN. Several times in the past I've been almost nauseated by the cretinism and hate to the point where I've made half-hearted attempts to wash my hands of talkback forever. Before long, however, the very same fucktarded combo of venom and stupidity pulls me right back in. <p> I can't quit you, AICN talkback, you bastion of tasteless, drooling stupidity, home to hordes of the most truly sinister, revolting morons on the internet. <p> I CAN'T QUIT YOU!!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Fa Fa Fooey I'm sure the insane amounts of cash

    by lockesbrokenleg

    that wheel to his door day after day thanks to people buying those half hour CD's helped.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Docpaz

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    i agree TPM is the best of the prequels, long have i always had this belief. Namely on Daydum Cantactforshitensensensensen. And also the sets were real for a change and Darth maul. Clones was shit from both ends, even the actoin sequence was boring. ROTS was a little better only for Palpatine who i was rooting for the entire time. But even so if i could i'd excize htem all from existence if i could.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    *no Haydumb Cantactforshitensensensensen

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Anyone Could've Predicted This

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The moment they spoke about the movie having an environmental message and having the best CGI ever, you knew you were gonna get FERNGAYLY / FERNGAYLIENS.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Hateful morons and hate talkers..

    by BoE

    Why don't you see how your hateful hate talk hurts JC? Why can't you embrace love and giant blue cat things and the environment and 3d and mech suits? Why are you so stupid and ignorant and like cretin people when you talk? Don't you see that love and imax are the only way to peace? How do you not see that?! You avatrolls with your fancy ways! You make me so angry with your smart talk and girlfriends and lies and jobs! You think you are better than the angry nerd force because you have your own apartment and car - well, you are not. Angry nerd force rocks and we are number 1! We are here to carry the message of Avatar and JC to the people and come December, we will show you all!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    BoE

    by MandrakeRoot

    Your a tool. Make that an Avatar obsessed tool. Your probably SpyMunk.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    SpyMunk

    by MandrakeRoot

    Still obsessing over Avatar are we? James Cameron wins again.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE WILL DESTROY AICN FOR GOOD

    by theplant

    THE TALKBACKS EITHER NEED TO GO, OR THIS SITE WILL END UP WITH NO CREDIBILITY LEFT - THE TROLLS HAVE TAKEN OVER

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    District 9 proved It

    by Orionsangels

    The story and characters were so good, that the CG became part of the word. In other words you forgot the aliens were CG.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Xalener

    by MandrakeRoot

    Why don't you come back when your balls drop, k?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    The reason we complain about CG so much is...

    by Orionsangels

    that they keep hitting us over the head with it. It's become CG first, everything second. 2012 for example. Movies have become so synthetic. It's sadly become the standard to use CG and we're sick and tired of it's overuse, and obvious fakery, trying to pass itself as something high standard and amazing. When It's not. It's like watching a Video Game, not that anything is wrong with that. When you want a Video Game you should get just that, but it's like peanut butter in my chocolate. I go see a Movie and I get a Video Game.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Sigourney Ginger?

    by Lordgorp

    Now that's cool CGI!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    darthvedder81, another reason the rex scene works

    by MattmanReturns

    When the head is closeup, it's really there. I think that's important. The walking shots are CG, and the up close and personal stuff is real. When that thing's snout blows Sam Neil's hat off, you feel it. Spielberg's team brilliantly blended practical and cg effects, and it's much more tangible as a result.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - FUCKING OUR EYEBALLS IN DECEMBER!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Fuck yeah, I cannot wait!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    and when I say "real"...

    by MattmanReturns

    I of course mean it's a puppet that's actually on set with the actors... not a real T-Rex (just to clarify before Lockesbrokendick jumps all over me with "MATTMAN YOO BELEEVE IN DINOSARS!!!??")

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Videogame?

    by MandrakeRoot

    I'd say the best videogames have to offer look great, but still looks like a videogame. I think actually videogames are getting really advanced, but to me personally they serve as a reminder how far movie CGI has come, cause there's really not much of a contest between the two. And the whole idea of a videogame isn't cut scenes, it's the fact that the user gets to play as a character, and advance in gameplay. Since that's a completely different experience then a movie, I really don't see how you can compare them at all beyond graphic similarities. I mean, Christians keep hitting us over the head with God, does that mean we have to believe in him? No sir. I have never gone to a movie and compared the experience to playing a videogame, even with lame CGI. <p> I do get where your coming from with the over use of CGI, and some instances (I am Legend) it really is a detriment to the movie. However as far as Avatar is concerned, most of it is all CGI, so there's really not much of an issue of it being superimposed in live-action (for the most part) which could result in a more jarring experience. The scene we've seen where Jake wakes up is a mix of the two, but it still doesn't take you out of the movie, as any good CG shouldn't (ex. D9) I firmly believe if you accept the graphics as how the world is intended to be presented, then there really shouldnt be a problem. I mean when you think about it, stop-motion is actually much more jarring than most CGI, yet no one really has an issue with the old classics like Jason and the Argonauts, King Kong etc. Some cinema requires you to suspend belief/ use imagination, but whats wrong with that? There's plenty of non-CGI movies as well to get your fix on, so complaining is rather silly.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Revenge of the Sith CG looks REAL-this does not.

    by Daredrummer

    Now, I WILL SAY that perhaps in 3D the CG creatures look entirely different. That said, I don't understand where these claims of "groundbreaking" are coming from...I watched ROTS just earlier today, and had forgotten just how f'n REAL that movie looks....the space battles, droids, creatures...it kinda surprised me, actually, as I'd kinda put that film in the back of my mind. Anyway, so far, Avatar looks ALOT more cartoony than ROTS. Hell, Obi Wan rodeoing the giant iguana chasing Greivous looks more real than anything I've seen from Avatar. (not a Star Wars terrorist, simply an observation)

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Okay my God analogy didn't come out right

    by MandrakeRoot

    Basically what I meant was the way studios are pushing CGI as it's new best thing, or photo-real, does not mean we have to believe it all and hang on to every word as truthful. The same way Christians (or many religions) talk about God is similar in the way that most of it is really just hype. If we as the consumer recognize that, then we might be able to enjoy it for it is. Obviously it's very different, as CG will probably one day be completely photo-real, and the debate over God's existence will never be final. But still, all I'm saying is that all sorts of things get fed to the public, but it doesn't mean they're true. I think that's where a lot of the Avatar backlash stems from.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Daredrummer

    by MandrakeRoot

    If you take a look at the environments and backgrounds in Avatar, especially in the actual footage, it's nearly impossible to tell that it's CG. The scene on the cliff made me swear that they shot on location. Same goes for the lion-type creature that chases Jake around. The look is just undeniably more life-like than anything offered in the SW prequels. It's skin has a shine just looks absolutely real, almost dolphin esque, which I cannot say for the creatures of SW. Case in point, CGI yoda, or the arena creatures. If you want proof... <p> Star wars; http://tinyurl.com/lnt4uw <p> Avatar; http://tinyurl.com/lwpm34 <p> The difference is painfully obvious

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST

    COCKNASTY

    by MandrakeRoot

    Who cares? So you don't think it's photo-real, fine. Doesn't change the fact that tons of people think it looks great. Why can't you get beyond that and enjoy it for how it looks? Seems pretty shallow.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    one9deuce nailed it

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Nobody shoots action better than James Cameron. And his screenplays may have the odd corny dialogue but but that's a small price to pay for cinematic astonishment. <p> Note to Fox: Get "From the director of The Terminator and Aliens" onto the next round of advertising materials - Titanic is NOT remembered fondly!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I'll admit I think the new shots of Jake are good

    by reflecto

    The Sigourney shot could work. We'll see. I'm still skeptical, and I DO think this will flop.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    HITLER HAS SEEN THE AVATAR TRAILER!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Two new pix from French mags

    by reflecto

    also look good to me: http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagevideo/cinepics02.jpg http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagevideo/cinepics01.jpg

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    darthvedder81

    by Baryonyx

    Jurassic Park's T-Rex paddock scene is set in the night, in the rain, and it looks excellent. It was done for dramatic effect, not to hide the FX. If you remember, the first time a dinosaur is seen in Jurassic Park it is in the daylight (the Brachiosaurus eating leaves from a tree), then there's the brilliant dinosaurs-near-a-lake shot (in daylight) and there's the Gallimimus stampede (in daylight.) All these shots looked great, merged in with REAL backgrounds and intermingled with animatronics. Lucas decided to go fully digital for the Phantom Menace battle scene: everything is CG. And it ends up looking like a scene from a computer game.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    I hope Avatar tanks

    by theplant

    so that I can feel superior to James Cameron

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Cameron brought this on himself.

    by Orionsangels

    All he had to say is, I'm working on a film with cutting edge CG and I'm very proud at how it turned out. Hope you like it, but NO. He had to hype the shit out of it. It's photo-realistic! It'll change movies forever! No trailer was going to live up to that. The movie won't either.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    I will see this movie

    by OptimusCrime

    But man, the more I see the sillier this seems. I know I'm not offering anything original here, but it is starting to seem kind of cheap. I really hope Cameron isn't relying on effects in place of story. I know he has a great track record, but I am getting nervous.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    fuck nervous

    by OptimusCrime

    I'm not getting nervous, I am becoming skeptical. Whatever.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:29 a.m. CST

    And damn it, ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by OptimusCrime

    Do you intentionally want people to think "ThusSpakeMySpunk"? Fuckin shit, I always read it that way. Yeah, yeah, latent homosexuality and all that.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Spoiler "Alert"

    by Mr Peanut

    Fun fact: Spoiler alerts are pretty useless when you put the spoilers IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Have a little bit of faith!

    by TraumReiter

    Whether you liked the trailer or not. It's James Cameron! Remember? Terminator, Aliens, Abyss, T2, True Lies and Titanic!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    WOW!

    by Dead_Geek

    A picture of Sigourney Weaver! Amazing! The surprises just keep coming!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:54 a.m. CST

    GET AWAY FROM HER YOU THUNDERSMURF!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    here's a blue fish: http://tinyurl.com/mfmrh4

    by Spazatronik2000

    Notice how there is a lot of variation in saturation/hue/texture. It's not 100% SOLID blue, it's not super saturated and the variation pops out at you, unlike the Na'vi who have totally unnatural looking, highly saturated BRIGHT, cartoony skin. There is a lot of variation of color on the Na'vi but it's not distict enough, and it's way too saturated. I also really dislike the dominant tone of blue overall, it almost looks turqoise. Bleh.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Do you think anybody has

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Why do they look like blue humans?

    by Ironhelix

    this flick has Star Trek syndrome, except it's the year 2009. No excuses.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    had a wank over a Na'vi yet?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    or am i the first person in the world to do that?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    It has been mentioned already,

    by MorganLeafy

    but maybe CGI just isn’t the way to go. I think any director should use special effects only as a means to an end, i.e. to create an as realistic as possible fantasy world. The superfluous use of CGI does exactly the opposite, it may impress some but most of the time it distracts. Just look at the original SW movies compared to the prequels: they were made 25 years earlier but they still look better, because most of the time they used actual sets! Sure I liked T2 like everyone but does the T1000 look convincing to you nowadays? Would Aliens have been as cool with CGI aliens, even using current technology?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    WOW that looks bad

    by brobdingnag

    I have no idea what Avatar is other than for the last year some douche bag has been posting that it would be fucking my eyeballs. This looks like a cut-scene from a late 90's video game.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    showed my coWorker all the pics and trailer..

    by TimMighty

    ..because im pumped for that flick. All he said was "..looks like Shrek"..f*n idiot.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    So Are They All Serkis/Gollum/Konged Up?

    by LaserPants

    The actors, I mean; I guess they're all just wearing one o' them space aged polymer super suits where by moviemaking magicians can put the compooter graphix over they facebodies?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    The Youngish, Cute Na'vi Is Going To Be A New Fetish

    by LaserPants

    I can just see all the pr0n now. Its like a new venue for furries to explore their reproductive organs. Hairless furries! I bet at least half the guys on this site have already rubbed one out to at least one of those pictures.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Moratorium On "It Looks Like A Videogame" Being Pejorative

    by LaserPants

    Um, in case you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years, videogames no longer look like Atari 2600 and, in some cases, feature awesome, immersive, stories that easily outrank about 99% of the trash that comes out of Whoreywood. So, do, please, lets put that one to rest? It literally makes no sense anymore.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Orionsangels

    by Droid

    Cameron never said any of those things. He actually tried to talk DOWN the hype a few months ago. It's everyone else trying to sell the shit out of the film and also 3D that have been hyping it up.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    I want to, but I just have no interest in this film

    by Trazadone

    It just looks like a huge Re-Boot cartoon. I hate, hate the "look" of this thing.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    WHAT! CG that ISNT a grey/brown blurry mess??

    by EML

    How dare CG attempt something a little pizzaz. No no,we must only have gritty CG with a low-saturation colour palette. Cant have any fun now. Christ.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I drew the cat blue

    by Shaw

    because I've never seen a blue cat before and, to be honest with you, I wanted to see a blue cat

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/l93u2a

    by Shaw

    I don't know, looks kind of silly

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Shaw....

    by Cervantes

    ....I agree. That link to the 'clothed avatars in jungle' shot does indeed look kinda silly unfortunately.<P> But then I reckon the whole design of the 'hybrid half-human' avatars are badly conceived compared to the actual 'NA'VI' aliens (who I'd have rather seen as being MORE 'beastial'-looking), and that the large 'elf' EARS, and WIDE NOSES, and maybe even the large 'cat' EYES, should have been kept for the 'NA'VI' only! It'll depend on how 'charming' some of the early scenes pan out, which will dictate how laughable this looks by the time we get to that particular shot....

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    EBONIC_PLAGUE!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Don't you leave! Not now...not yet. There are so few of us left...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    "Revenge of the Sith CG looks REAL-this does not."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Bullshit.<P>They appear to be running the prequels on cable this week and ROTS was on last night. Much like TPM, I tried watching about 10 minutes of it. There is nothing "REAL" about the CGI in that film. NOTHING. In fact, very little of it looks any better than the CGI in TPM.<P>(Don't get me wrong - the CGI in the prequels is impressive but it's not photorealistic and better effects have come down the pike.)

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Actually, Cameron DID Drive The Hype

    by LaserPants

    Someone on a previous TB posted several quotes, which I believe included the "game changer" quote which they've been damage controlling since the trailer hit and garnered mixed reactions even from the most hardcore of fans (I thought it looked awesome, totally cool, but its really nothing we haven't seen before; of course, IMAX 3D presentation may blow us all away, but, that remains to be seen) but here's one I just found:<br><br>"Every once in a while, as we are absorbed in some intensely detailed discussion about sub-surface scattering or the way a tail is moving in the animation, I’ll just stop and have this moment of clarity, as if seeing it for the first time. And I realize that’s what the lunar astronauts must have felt like. They’d be in the middle of some complex set of procedures and they’d look out the window and go “Oh, yeah. That’s the frickin’ moon!” It feels like that."<br><br>He thinks his film is as important and dramatic and awesome as the first lunar landing? Really? Cmon.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    As long as it's available in 2D...

    by HanSelo

    ....i'll be there to watch it. I can barely sit for 20 mins watching headache inducing 3D. not to mention having my periphial vision full of awful 3D glasses. It's like watching a film with tunnel vision. Bring on the epic movie, but please allow those of us not blinded by the '3D' fad to enjoy the film for what it is...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    While Cameron has been known to flap his mouth, I think that's a little bit of a misrepresentation of what he said. He's not saying that the film is as "important and dramatic" as landing on the moon. He's describing the complexities of the process and what it feels like to take a step back and actually look out the proverbial window to see the results.<P>As for the "game changer" thing, I've always understood it to mean that it was the technology developed for this film. That's why so many other big name directors have salivated over his camera systems/stereo mo-cap monitors and so forth. It will change the way people view, shoot, and direct their films.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Pants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "He thinks his film is as important and dramatic and awesome as the first lunar landing?" <p> Um, no. He doesn't. He's talking about a moment of revelation, when you're so caught up in the details of something then you take a step back and realise what you're actually doing. Cameron isn't implying his film is the equivalent of landing on the moon, simply using it as a metaphor for a moment during production when you have a moment of clarity.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Dammit, MNG... WHY CAN'T I QUIT THIS PLACE?

    by ebonic_plague

    Force of habit, I suppose. I may just have to stay out of these Avatar threads, they do seem to fray my last nerve. <p> 'Preciate the sentiment, though, from one talkback Numenorean to another.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, :re

    by Daredrummer

    Although I do think the CG in the first two prequels does look questionable, I stand by my statements on ROTS. I had not seen the film in some time, and was a little taken aback at how good most of it looked. I have not had this experience with anything I've seen from Avatar in motion. Yet.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Good to see you're hanging in there.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Looks like crapola to me

    by IamZardoz

    and I dont think I will be wasting my money or time seeing it.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No problem. And I hear ya on these AVATAR threads; I guess I underestimated the level of "discussion" that would be taking place. I didn't think we'd see this type of insanity until another LOTR/HOBBIT thread came around. But it just goes to show that when a big-time director tries to make an innovation in film, the cynics tend to come out in droves and drive the online ship in a negative direction.<P>I plan on avoiding any serious discussion of the plot and any other spoiler-type details as I don't want my experience of this film to be tarnished. I recently came to the realization that AICN has influenced the way I experience films and it hasn't always been for the better.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Daredrummer

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Fair enough.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Alright, Alright

    by LaserPants

    Maybe I'm misreading it, but Cameron definitely is an egotistical blowhard, and he did flap his gums mightily on this picture. It does look really friggin' cool, I'm just not seeing anything I haven't already seen before. It looks about on par, efxwise, with the Star Wars prequels, LOTR, The Matrix, King Kong, etc. I wouldn't call that necessarily a bad thing, though; as long as the story is there, it'll be awesome. Ultimately, though, this movie will live or die on the story and characters, not the efx. It could very well turn out to be the sci-fi movie of the decade. I'm certainly open to that possibility; but its not he efx that are gonna make me feel that, its the story and characters. I'm sure most of you feel the same way.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Meow mix song in every scene that features Na'vi

    by turketron_2

    Would make this movie epic.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    "looks obviously CG"

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    To the people that say the CG is obvious: it's not because the work is bad, it's because modern audiences are savvy enough to know when something isn't possible to achieve physically and thus has to be CG. So you're reaction is to say the CG is bad when in point of fact the CG is amazing. All of your hate is is psychobabble bullshit. Anybody with more than two synapses firing in their brain who looks at those Empire scans in addition to having seen the IMAX footage and still says it looks bad is hateful and intentionally sabotaging their own appreciation of the movie because it's cool to be a fanboy and hate on shit.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Orionsangels

    by Bag_of_Hammers

    "...All he had to say is, I'm working on a film with cutting edge CG and I'm very proud at how it turned out. Hope you like it, but NO. He had to hype the shit out of it. It's photo-realistic! It'll change movies forever! No trailer was going to live up to that. The movie won't either...." Exactly this.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Hitler lears that the Avatar trailer sucks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg&feature=player_embedded <p> This did make me laugh. "All the old masters have lost their minds in the depths of a hard drive!"

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Baronyx

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Every daylight CG dinosaur in Jurassic Park looks dated now. The lighting is off, the animation is stiff. My god when I watch that scene with the brachiosaurus in the bright sunlight it just looks bad these 17 years later. But the movie is good so all is forgiven. It will be the same with Avatar except Avatar has truly next generation CG.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Gee, what are the odds it won't live up to the "eyeball fucking"

    by jawsfan

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    ...expectations

    by jawsfan

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Efx Are Irrelevant

    by LaserPants

    This movie will live or die on the strength of its story and characters.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The 2nd Empire scan of the girl does look great

    by smackfu

    but Sam Worthington's Avatar looks terrible and silly, in every pic he looks cross-eyed and Downs Syndromey.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    For what it's worth

    by Shaw

    The cg may be unbelievable, but I just can't get past the character designs.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    yeah okay

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    No, Worthington's avatar looks every bit as good as Saldana's. In fact when you look closely there's actually more detail on him. And cross-eyed? So the fact that in that one shot he's looking directly at the "camera" means he's cross-eyed? You just can't please some people. Oh wait, you can! Just through a gray filter over everything and add some grit and grime and it's automatically the best shit ever!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Hitler Learns Avatar Trailer Sucks! HILARIOUS!

    by LaserPants

    Thanks for sharing, Kwiz! It's fuckin' hilarious! He's a tiny url version of the link:<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/nolcyq

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Fox credits him as the director of Titanic because

    by smackfu

    they already have the sci-fi audience by default, it's the teenage girl segment they need to bring in.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    what do you expect?

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    It does not bode well for humanity that people are freaked out by the alien designs for a freakin' movie. When we actually encounter a real alien species they'll stop by to say hello and we'll all be repulsed and confused because they don't look remotely human and try to kill them all then they will blow up our planet.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    What Avatar reminds me of thus far

    by smackfu

    http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/pete1.jpg <br><br>"of course the dragon doesn't look real! when have you ever seen a real dragon to compare? Maybe if you ever saw a real one this is exactly what it would look like..."

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Koy

    by Shaw

    If anything, I think they don't look alien enough.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by smackfu

    Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that we've seen and not been 'freaked out' by hundreds of movie aliens that looked waaaay freakier than the Na'vi, 2 of which have appeared in Cameron's own films. <br><br>When we someday meet a real Alien species, perhaps we will be 'freaked out' if they look like cartoon images of living beings, rather than living beings.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Koyaanisqatsi

    by David Cloverfield

    1, they don't look alien at all. They look like Rebecca Romjin Samos in make up ten years ago. I'm not saying that as a bad thing, just a stupid thing, that can be done a lot cheaper. 2, if the aliens will look remotely like the N'avi we'll kick their asses. Kill their men, rape their women and make slaves out of their children. Go Man!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I agree with Shaw

    by smackfu

    If we ever meet an alien species, and they looked exactly like us except they had blue skin, a slightly wider nose and a touch of Downs, I actually would be pretty freaked out. I'd want some answers on the subject of these sneaky shifty aliens bogarting our DNA...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I have an idea!

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I hate cats, cats are dumb and anything that looks like them is also dumb. When I'm at a friend's house and I see their cat I think "OMG, look at that that freaky nose and those ears, that doesn't look real. I hope I never see aliens in a movie that faintly resemble these crazy critters because that would just automatically look dumb. Fuckin' cats man! Fuckin' goofy lookin' fuckers." Let's just paint a bunch a bunch of people black and put some bones on their foreheads. Or Put points on their ears, or a few wrinkles of skin on their noses. Or better yet let's make an alien race that is totally indistinguishable from humans but they're still aliens! Ohhhh! Those are all wayyyy better alien designs than cats.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I'm bored!!!

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    YAYYY!!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    But they don't look cat like,

    by David Cloverfield

    they look like drawings of the blue man group. Like cartoons of inbred people painted blue people, with slightly misplaced eyes. I'm no hater, I'm looking forward to it, but saying people don't like it, because they're too alien is stupid.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    there are lots of people in that post

    by David Cloverfield

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Good moment to remember Hellboy II SFX

    by knowthyself

    NO reason the Na'Vi couldn't be done with make up and practical SFX.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    About the colors

    by FluffyUnbound

    The talkbacks aren't entirely useless, because on a different one a talkbacker educated me that you have to oversaturate for 3D because the glasses desaturate. So that maybe defends Cameron's design choices a little: he had to make it cartoony, to make sure that people watching in 3D would see the final result he wanted to achieve. Of course, this unfortunately means that when we watch it in 2D and complain that it's cartoony, we're RIGHT. It IS oversaturated and it IS too clear and sheeny and the depth of field IS messed up. They are subjecting us to this for the benefit of the 3D audience.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Summer Glau

    by secretcylon

    Gonna be on Dollhouse.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    This'll tide you over 'til December...

    by BurnHollywood

    http://tinyurl.com/33hxgo

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Please Merrick

    by Lazerman21

    Since you get PAID to do this job, please for the love of GOD EDIT your work before posting .. . I expect to see this kind of typing in WORLD OF WARCRAFT, not on a professional movie site . .

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Navi does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Good moment to remember the Uruk Hai coming out of their birthing pits.<p> ABSOLUTELY NO reason the Navi couldn't be done with practical effects. And be done better.<p> It would have been easy to use digital or even practical trickery to make them taller than the human characters in shot. Fuck it, you could have strapped some of those cool little stilts on their ankles and hidden it under a prosthetic to give them a 'hoof'. Would've cost about $120 bucks.<p> As it is... we're stuck with ridiculous fucking toons in a live action movie. What a $300 million dollar fuck up.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I still want a good explanation for all the DELGO overlap.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Some guy tried on the other thread, by saying essentially, "It doesn't look like Delgo. Those side-by-side images posted online don't really exist. There is a 2 micrometer difference in the snouts of the flying reptiles, so these images are completely different." And that doesn't cut it. Somebody actually explain this to me.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    DELGO does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Right... cos there's no comparison between DELGO and AVATAR... LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYES MOTHERFUCKERS!!!<p> http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo.php

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Oh good, you're all still here...

    by gavdiggity

    I was worried people would've moved onto something else.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    RE: DELGO and AVATAR

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The word on the street is that you can do a similar side-by-side comparison with AGNES OF GOD.<P>Serious.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Will AVATAR fuck my eyeballs in plain old 2D?

    by Orbots Commander

    The nearest IMAX near me is the god-awful planetarium dome that gave me a full day migraine after STAR TREK. I'm never doing THAT again. The nearest after that is an hour away in Manhattan. <p> I'm sure as shit not hopping the Long Island Rail Road and a subway just for Jim Cameron's movie, so this movie better be impressive in my local 12-screen National Amusements cineplex.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    that link does not work

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    3-d is in fact a gimmick

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    in the 1950's theaters started showing movies in 3-d to try to get people to come back to the theaters. tv was becoming very popular and theater attendance was declining. same situation is going on today. and i don't know about you, but 3-d gives me a headache. so does imax for that matter. so, seeing a movie in 3-d on imax is about the last thing i want to spend $15 dollars on. ha, paying $15 to be given a headache. so, imax + 3-d + blue cartoon cats = lame-ass. James Cameron can do no wrong because of his past track record? do you remember a guy named George Lucas? remember his track record before star war I-III?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Plaigarism does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    DELGO vs AVATAR link does work, just remove any spaces between characters:<p> http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo.php <p> SEE THE TRUTH BIG JIM WANTED HIDDDEN!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Nerd_rage

    by gavdiggity

    Lucas' track record before the prequels included Howard The DUck. <P> Just sayin'...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage, yep.

    by Orbots Commander

    Both the dome theater (correction: aviation dome on Long Island, not planetarium) and 3-D have caused me headaches, not to mention having to wear the stupid looking goggles over my regular glasses, which is highly uncomfortable. IMAX 3-D is a non-starter for me as well. <p> Everybody that I went with to see STAR TREK at the dome theater swore off IMAX as well. We were all popping Advils for the rest of the day.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You might think it is lame, and you are welcome to your opinion, of course, but you just hit the nail on the head: that is exactly why studios are trying to up the "spectacle" in their big movies...it is an effort to get peopl to go to the theatre and not just wait for the dvd/bolotleg/torrent, etc. Similar to the introduction of Cinemascope and how it helped the movies to provide something that was literally too big for tv to contain. But it is no secret: that is exactly what they are doing, and why they are doing it.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Avatar already raising serious issues, and discussions

    by conspiracy

    For instance; Would you fuck a 12ft tall, furry, blue girl who had a tail?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    <p> 'SEE THE TRUTH BIG JIM WANTED HIDDEN'*<p> *allegedly. Actually I can't back that up with any kind of fact! However it does seem that the makers of DELGO are looking into suing for plaigarism. Things just going from bad to worse for AVATAR.<p> http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/aug/26/avatar-delgo-james-cameron

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    It's the eyes that are wrong

    by ninpobugei

    The eyes of the aliens all look too cartoony. This whole movie is one big (yawn). I'm looking forward to seeing them fall FAR short of their ridiculous budget. Maybe then we'll get back to story and leave these overwrought blockbusters in the garbage bin. I'm beyond even humoring Cameron for this silly, cheesy, fantasy-fest.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    gavdiggity

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    true. but didnt he just produce howard the duck? and there was willow (which he for sure only produced). but, you see my point? past track record is not a guarantee of future success.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i used to laugh at the delgo / avatar comparisons. now i'm not so sure. there are a lot of similarities. but, there are a lot of similarities to a lot of other sci/fi fantasy too. it could just be that Camerons story is very generic and unoriginal. i feel like you could add the Gungans into the comarison mix too.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It just makes me laugh when people can't handle Imax movies. But, they play X Box all day.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Avatar Tix on sale already

    by Pancho_Villa

    http://tinyurl.com/lsjdus

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    It wouldn't be a cameron movie if he didn't get sued

    by David Cloverfield

    My hopes went up for this. His stolen work is awesome.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Orbots Commander

    I don't own an Xbox.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Delgo and Avatar Do Seem Eerily Similar, But...

    by LaserPants

    I just read the synopsis, and it didn't sound very much like what Avatar is about. I think it's just a coincidence and the fact that most of the fantasy elements being employed -- big eyed aliens, floating rock lands, super pterodactyls, magical forests, space war, et al -- have all been used before. Seems to me that the mystical spirit thingee of the Na'vi bare more of a textual similarity to those little wood sprite things from Princess Mononoke.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by gavdiggity

    I gotcha, I'm just saying that Lucas had a track record of being involved with some stinkers before we ever got to Episodes I-III. There were already questionable elements in his oeuvre. <P> The story elements of Avatar could very well be lacking (the story was my big issue with Titanic- the technical aspects were pretty fucking impressive), but I won't know until the movie is actually out. I'm not basing my opinion on stills or clips I saw that were out of context of the bigger movie.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Calm down CN_BS

    by DrMorbius

    We know you'll be seeing it on opening day.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Xenogenesis! Hahahaha!

    by LaserPants

    I'm assuming most of you have already seen this, but it's hilarious. I've never even heard of it before seeing that Hitler Hates Avatar thingee. Check it out: <br><br> http://tinyurl.com/p6eowj

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    CN_BS

    by ebonic_plague

    You should demand your money back! Oh, wait...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I'm sure the makers of Delgo are thrilled

    by lockesbrokenleg

    that they're finally getting some publicity,

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    CN_BS

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "... everything I have seen so far has been pure shit."<P>But you're still hoping that it will be good. Sorry but that's funny.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Buy the Delgo DVD

    by FluffyUnbound

    http://www.foxstore.com/detail.php?item=6466

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Maybe Fox bought the Delgo DVD rights...

    by FluffyUnbound

    ...and the international Delgo rights to make sure the Delgo guys wouldn't sue when Avatar came out.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    Hey wait, I found an Avatar image that I like

    by FluffyUnbound

    http://www.newsinfilm.com/?p=22220 The 3rd image, of Evil Colonel Scar, is actually damn impressive. Now THAT makes me say, "Wow, they created a CGI character that tricks me into thinking it's real."

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I predict Watchmen level boxoffice

    by Dark Knight Lite

    and I loved Watchmen. If this makes over $200 million, I will come onto a prominent AICN talkback and eat crow - in a big way. See you in December.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Just to clarify

    by Dark Knight Lite

    That's domestic boxoffice. Just so we're on the same page.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    comparing Avatar to Delgo

    by gavdiggity

    fair enough. Using the criteria used in the link Cobra-Kai posted, I would submit that they BOTH ripped off the animated Heavy Metal movie.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    200 million?

    by Toonol

    I don't think it's in doubt that it will make more than that. The question is breaking 300 million. I bet it will, but I'm not certain.<p> Don't make the mistake of thinking normal people share opinions with talkbackers. The reactions on this site are full of emotional bluster.<p> Besides, part of the money sunk into Avatar was a loss-leader to get 3d cinema established. It's kind of like Sony losing money on the PS3, in order to get BluRay out there.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight lite

    by theplant

    I predict 2 billions. Yes bigger than Titanic. Over a course of two years, as this will NOT leave 3D theaters and will play full house for weeks and weeks, while 2D places will, indeed, make less than 200 millions over three months.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Lite

    by DrMorbius

    Better start doing some jaw exercises then, cause come the end of December, you're going to be doing some heavy duty mastication!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    theplant

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i hope you are joking. there is no way in hell that this movie will make more than titanic. the reason? girls/women will, generally speaking, have zero interest in this movie.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Has anyone called it AVATURD yet?

    by gavdiggity

    If not, I'm taking credit for that and expect royalties.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    That Delgo shit makes me laugh

    by savagedave

    OMG the character in Delgo hug AND SO DO THE ONES IN AVATAR!!!!<p>Seriously how retarded do you want to get?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Yoda puppet vs CGI

    by quantize

    Of course the CGI 'looked better' its about the fucking characterization...in Empire he's a whimsical entertaining character, in the prequels he's a humorless ponderous bore...nothing to do with whether he had a hand up his ass or was a wireframe..

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    AVATURD? Hmmmm?

    by TooWhippy

    I give you the credit gavdiggity.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Breaking $200 Million domestic?

    by Orbots Commander

    I don't see it. Like others have said, that would require women and young girls to attend, and from what I've heard from female friends after seeing the trailer in front of Inglorious Bastards or D9: zero female interest in AVATAR. <p> If I were Fox, I'd go about trying to bypass the geek crowd who have already written this off, and women, and go directly to little kids. This has 'Saturday morning action cartoon' written all over it. Market this to the Nickelodeon set.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    How about AVATARD?

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    for people who think this movie is the second coming of christ?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    yep, market it to younger kids. the young kids love phantom menace and jar jar.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    i know that i've said this before

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    but avatar has the stink of phantom menace all over it...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    quantize........looked better?

    by DrMorbius

    Or looked more "real?" Actually he 'started' out as a humorless ponderous bore and became a whimsical entertaining character! In 'real' time he was first CG and graduated to a Muppet in his "old age."

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by Toonol

    Nonsense. Lucas is a terrible director, Cameron isn't. Saying the two are comparable means that you are saying all that matters in a movie is the quality of the special effects.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage

    by Orbots Commander

    I would, market it to little kids, that is. When kids want to see it, they'll obviously need to drag an older parent (know matter how much they'll hate going) to a 3D showing which equals---an extra adult 3D ticket. <p> If I were in Fox marketing, I'd be taking out ad space all over Nick and Saturday morning network shows; putting out an Avatar cereal box; and releasing, prior to release of the movie, an Avatar video game on the Wii, and other Nintendo systems targeted to tykes. Also, release an Avatar 'special edition' comic book that will be given away with Happy Meals. <p> Damn, I'm good. Hey, Fox Marketing Department: are you guys hiring???

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    "Captain Planet w/ Blue CATS!!!"

    by Sal_Bando

    --THAT is some funny shit---

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    'know matter' should be 'no matter'

    by Orbots Commander

    Just saying, in case you guys think I'm grammar handicapped. Hey, I've read my Strunk & White all throughout college writing classes.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace

    by savagedave

    Made shit loads of money. So even if it's an artistic failure it hardly gonna kill Camerons career.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Captain Planet is death.

    by Orbots Commander

    Kids hate Captain Planet. They did go through a Power Rangers phase though. I'd be selling this to 8 year olds as Big Blue Cat Action Warriors.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    savagedave

    by DrMorbius

    Any new live blogs? Last one I 'saw' was Komodo vs Cobra!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "AVATARD" was effectively coined by Devin Faraci over at CHUD. Not surprising then that he is sort of hoping that this movie will fail even though he won't admit it outright. (Kind of like how he just couldn't bring himself to admit that he really liked TDK.)

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Enough of this Delgo bullshit...

    by TurdontheRun

    Not only is the story of Delgo absolutely nothing like Avatar, and hardly original in itself, but the Avatar treatment, which vividly describes the world and story, was registered in 1995. Nice try - a 2008 animation trying to claim it's the inspiration for a movie that was written 14 years ago.<p>The haters are so desperate for this movie to fail, but they can stamp their little feet all they want. Avatar is going to be huge, influential, and very popular, and that right there is the truth.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    MNG.........'sup?

    by DrMorbius

    What's up with you and MM? Do you 'really' care"who" he used to be?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Toonol

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    what makes cameron a great director? the goos films that he made 10-15 years ago? lucas had a similar amount of time out of action...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Toonol

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    phantom menace is the movie that made fans turn against lucas. before that he had a good track record. cameron could easily follow that same path. and you made my point for me. this movie feels like it "all about special effects"

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    "8 year olds dude"

    by TooWhippy

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Morbs

    by savagedave

    Got a few recorded that I aim to do, 'Supergator' and 'Carnivourous'. Not today though.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks dave...

    by DrMorbius

    ....look forward to them.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>Lucas directed only three features before EPISODE I in 1999: THX 1138, AMERICAN GRAFFITI, and STAR WARS: EPISODE IV.</p> <p>Cameron has directed seven.</p>

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Also, great job, as always.

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    all great movies...

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    the point is that, lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all when he made phantom menace. cameron seems to be going down the same path with avatar.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    p.s. i know this is sacrilege to most, but

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    terminator 2 sucked. i hate child side-kicks in action movies. bleck! "shine on, bro" "asta la vista, dude!" fucking horrible. and by the way, true lies was not that great either. unless you like hermaphrodites of course.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"the point is that, lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all when he made phantom menace. cameron seems to be going down the same path with avatar.</p> <p>I couldn't agree more with the first sentence. But the thing is, you are judging PHANTOM MENACE based on having seen the actual film...while you are judging AVATAR based only on the trailer. Did you think that "lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all" when you first saw the PHANTOM MENACE trailer? Of course not...because you had no idea what the story would be like until you saw the movie, and like you said, Lucas did have a good track record (as does Cameron). Just because Lucas blew it, does that mean you can't give Cameron the same benefit of the doubt you gave to Lucas? Why not wait and judge the film when you have actually seen it. I know that sounds insane to a lot of people on here, but, personally, I don't decide whether or not a movie sucks until I have, you know, SEEN the movie...</p>

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Hermaphrodites?.........

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>"terminator 2 sucked. i hate child side-kicks in action movies. bleck! "shine on, bro" "asta la vista, dude!" fucking horrible. and by the way, true lies was not that great either."</p> <p>Right then. I'll talk to everyone after the movie is out! Carry on!</p>

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    jaime lee cutis's gender is debatable

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    just my opinion, like every single other poster on this talkback.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    p.s. i was a lot more excited by the phantom menace trailer because it actually was a game changer. i'm not excited by the avatar trailer because i've seen that all before in the star wars trailers/movies.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I agree with Nerd Rage about one thing...

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    ...T2 was bad. Terrible acting and absolutely horrid dialogue makes this the most overrated movie of all time, IMO.<p> It was great when I was 20. Watching it critically as a more mature adult, it failed to deliever.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    MidnightMeatTrain

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    yeah, talkbackers on this sight love to slam everything, but for some reason T2 is regarded as a great film. to me it was a big budget, hollywood, pg-13, bastardization of T1.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    "T2 sucked"

    by ebonic_plague

    ...was SO last season.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    A New Hope

    by imagin78

    If T2 sucks, then so does A New Hope.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    What?!?! A NEW HOPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T2

    by LaserPants

    You all know how much and why for art I fucking hate T2 -- imho, its a family friendly dumbed down follow up to a VASTLY superior (though dated) original (IMHO, ok? IMHO, so relax).<br><br>But even if I thought T2 was the greatest scifi movie of the past 20 years, NO FUCKING WAY is it better, or more awesome, or more important, or even close to being in the same league as A New Hope. Not. Even. Close.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I know now why you cry

    by Shaw

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Howdy. I don't really know what's going on with MM. Over the past few months, he's gone off on some strange tirades that have brought a lot of hilarious ribbing from various Talkbackers. However, this whole bit where he claims that he and I used to be Talkback "buddies" when he posted under another name is something he pulled out of the blue. Considering the number of Talkbackers I've crossed paths with, I don't really have any way of knowing what the hell he's talking about because he doesn't remind me of anyone in particular. The fact that he keeps dangling it in front of my face like a carrot is just silly and immature. WTF.<P>So, do I really care? No, not really. But I wouldn't mind if it helped figure out his rather bizarre angle.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Same people over and over

    by MandrakeRoot

    I notice how it's the same 5-10 talkbackers that keep reiterating the same shit over and over. But you know your all gonna be in the theater watching this movie, having a great time. <p> It's honestly funny how wrong some of you people are, and I know this from what I've seen in the preview. The CG is beyond impressive, and more than just that the action scenes were exciting, tense, well-shot and very loud. The facial animation on the Na'vi is stunning. Any quick read around the web beyond AICN consists of peoples responses ranging from "impressed", to "life-changing". You think these people just lie for the fuck of it? <p> You people keep saying the same shit over and over, and honestly, why don't you just wait for the movie. You've already convinced yourself of so much based on so little. You said it yourself...Phantom Menace trailer = great, Phantom Menace movie = shit. Never has any other movie been this scrutinized, but really that just goes to show how goddamn popular this movie really is. If you people genuinely think this thing won't make a shit ton of money, then you are seriously delusional. I'm gonna laugh so hard when this thing is a monster hit. <p> Oh and George Lucas did not direct the best Star Wars film. In fact all of his best work he has not directed. So really no comparison. You claim to be movie geeks, so have some fucking faith in James Cameron, the man responsible for most of your affairs with sci-fi cinema. Respect you fuckers.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Laserpants, like a wino at an AA meeting...

    by TurdontheRun

    you are in severe danger of falling off the wagon. It was all going so well, wasn't it? Keep....Wobodaddy...at bay.<p>Fuck all T2 hate. It was great then; it's still great now. Best action movie of all time along with Aliens, Die Hard, and Woo's The Killer.<p>And fuck you for denigrating True Lies because Jamie Lee once had a dick (purportedly). You'd all tap that; don't lie.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Robodaddy 2: Cryfest Day is an effects vehicle

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Now Terminator 1 on the other hand is a fine film

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Was even shown on TCM numerous times. You'll never see tripe like T2 on there.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I walk on the heads of T2 haters...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...like I walk on water. I'm so over and above you revisionist nerds.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    If T2 wasn't on TCM, it MUST be crap!!

    by TurdontheRun

    There's logic for you! You've convinced me.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Herbie goes to Monte Carlo.

    by imagin78

    TCM aired Herbie goes to Monte Carlo. So, being on TCM means nothing. <p> My simple point about A New Hope is...if I wanted to, I could say a lot of the acting and dialogue in Episode IV is pretty silly and juvenile, and some of the pacing and plotting is amateurish as well. However, that doesn't take away from everything else it accomplishes.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    SIGOUNRY WEAVER WILL FUCK YOUR EYBAlLS

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Once you go blue, you never go back

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    If any more of you ne'r do wells

    by gotilk

    continue with this "color moving pictures are a fad" rumpus, I may lose my composure, climb aboard a conveyance and challenge you to a jolly round of fisticuffs. Go back to your penny arcades and handcranks you 18th century luddites. <br> I personally think this Avatar moving picture could be a pip, a real pip.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    "EYBAlLS"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Jeezus. He can't even get a lamer than hell joke right.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I ALWAYS Hated T2, And I Had To Respond To That LUDICROUS Claim

    by LaserPants

    Nothing revisionist about MY OPINION -- I hated it then and I still hate it (for reasons I've gone on about at length -- none of which were ever refuted by anyone here, but glossed over and shouted down with a borderline disturbing religious fervor). But, T2 in league with A New Hope??? INSANE. Pure insanity. I had to speak to that. That's like saying Rambo is in league with Apocalypse Now. Love it all you want, but put it into the proper perspective. It's a ridiculous, childish movie. Star Wars is a children's movie too, true, but I thought Terminator was supposed to be gritty and bad ass? Twernt nothin' even remotely gritty or bad ass about T2. And before you get the pitchforks and torches, remember its just MY OPINION, and it's JUST A FUCKING MOVIE. Okay? I get it: most of you didn't seem to mind the Terminator being turned into a family friendly father figure action comedy. It bugged me. Okay? I liked T3 more soley because they just said fuck it and made a disposable campy action epic that KNEW IT WAS A DISPOSABLE CAMPY ACTION EPIC, not rife with delusions of granduer and gravitas AND featuring an ending taken from Old Yellar.<br><br>Now, remember, this is just MY OPINION about A MOVIE. Not an attack on your Homeland, not a rape of thine sister, but AN OPINION ABOUT A MOVIE.<br><br>Thanks in advance for realizing that its JUST A FUCKING MOVIE and not to get so bent out of shape about it.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    I walk on your head, LaserPants!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Do you understand?! And I drink your water! EVERYDAY!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    this movie is in trouble

    by justanothermoviefan

    The 15 minute 3D screenings have hardly blown anyone anyway. Roger Ebert, who gives everything 4 stars these days said he was unimpressed. We know the CGI looks silly, but so what...everyone is just waiting for the 3D, which apparently isn't that different from Beowulf. I love Cameron's films, but this looks like a damn videogame.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    Make two sequels. Call it the Avatar Trilogy.

    by Dingbatty

    Then late 80's TSR can sue Cameron.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by DrMorbius

    node32774 ?<P>JeffAlbertson ?

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    YOU ARE NOT..........justanothermoviefan!!!<P>

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    MNGEEEEEEEEEEEE Isn't about time you left?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    BSG is over.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Where's TrannyDouche today?

    by DrMorbius

    I just left Von's and they needed a clean-up on Aisle 3.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    If there's not a compelling story...

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    ...you notice the effects. I was tuned out of Episode I by the time Jar Jar came on screen and could do nothing but notice how computer generated he looked. If Avatar sucks you in with the script the gripes might just disappear...at least upon the first viewing.

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Star Wars v. other things

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Here's the deal with A New Hope: Some movies you love despite their flaws but A New Hope is a movie I love because of its flaws. Hopefully Avatar is the same.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST

    DIdn't we all FUCKING KNOW Jar Jar was CG?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why were you all fucking surprised when he showed up? Fuck, it was all Lucas could talk about for months before TPM came out.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    We did all know.

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    But I also knew Gollum was CG and didn't notice like I did Jar Jar because I was into the story.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I knew Gollum was CG right away

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Because in the first one, they got away with using a real person. In the sequel, however, he took a lot of screen time away from the other characters, and you knew he was the big showcase.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Girls not interested ?

    by theplant

    Someone didn't attend the same previews as the others... 60% women... "from the director of Titanic" = 500 millions dollars domestic guarantee.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Is that makeup or CGI Overlay?

    by Brody77

    I'm just wondering. Still unsure if this flick will rock my world or be Jar Jar:The Movie

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    To clarify my stance on Avatar

    by MidnightMeatTrain

    I'm uber-cautiously semi-optimistic.<p> I am much, much more concerned with this paper-thin story than I am with the effects, though if I had my choice, I'd prefer it to be live-action.<p> I'm just not giving a free pass to the man, who IMO, hasn't made a good movie(bar True Lies, which was no classic, just fun) since the second act of The Abyss.<p>

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Wow, already selling tickets

    by MandrakeRoot

    First ticket sold online with the movie still four months away. Broke yet another record... after shattering Apple's trailer record of course. This is no doubt gonna be huge.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Justanothermoviefan

    by MandrakeRoot

    I suggest reading some more reports from Avatar day. Your consensus of it is way off. Have a read about it why dont you.. <p> http://tinyurl.com/lmetyk

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    WTF ? ABYSS IS HIS WORST MOVIE

    by theplant

    IT SAGS AFTER BRIGMAN SAVES HIS WIFE -- CAMERON LOST FEET (NO PUN INTENDED) ON THAT MOVIE. HE REGAINED IT BY THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I KNOW NAHOW VY YU CRY

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    waaaaaaaaaaaaah dont leave me robodaddy!!!!!!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Hi five! too slow!

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    And if someone comes on to you with an attitude you say "eat me.

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    And if you want to shine them on it's hasta la vista baby.

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    ;) SHINE EM ON

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Terminator 2 actually said "I need a vacation."

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    I shit you not, look it up in the imdb quotes section.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    "Cowabunga dude!"

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    I'm not sure if this one was said but fuck it might as well been in there too.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    ABYSS made me LMAO...

    by BurnHollywood

    During that scene where they're resuscitating Mastrantonio and Harris gives up..."She's dead, Bud." But then Harris lets out this holler and they go at it again and it works...<p> 'Cause everybody knows ex-wives are like the starter on a Dodge truck...just gotta keep crankin' 'er, boy. She'll start. Maybe she's flooded? Oh yeah, she was, wasn't she! Jest let her set a spell, then...

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Burn..I agree

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    So many people love The Abyss but I apear to be in the minority that find it unintentionally hilarious and impotent. Michael Biehn and Ed Harris over act like mad in this film; the aliens aren't really that interesting...and the action sequences (while decent) lead to preposterous conclusions that defy logic. I still find it among Cameron's worst (but it's better than True Lies which..for those who worship it, does NOT stand up well to repeat viewings).

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Donkey_Lasher, you made me LOL

    by MurderMostFowl

    This is why I read AICN.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    New AVATAR pics from a French Magazine

    by ominus

    kudos to avatarmoviezone.com: http://tinyurl.com/nhk2mh <p>damn Rodriguez is hot.Come on aicn post them.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Eh??

    by Orbots Commander

    Who are these people who think T2 is a bad movie, just because it contains some family dynamics and sentimentality? Really, guys? When I first read it, I disagreed with him, but now I'm thinking that Moriarty was right in his rant about fanboys only wanting grim and dark and gritty in their science fiction. <p> Hey, I likes me some grim and dark when appropriate, like Nolan's Batman movies, but sometimes you need to inject some levity and wit in your stories. I bet you guys also hated the humor in Iron Man.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Ominus, thx for the link dude... but those new pics still look cartoony as fuck.<p> And 'Rodriguez is hot' if by that you mean sweaty, then yeah.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist

    by Kontarsky

    Thanks for the Hitler link. Those never seem to get old, and that one certainly was relevant for me. I'll give the movie a try, but I think the aliens look cartoonish and remind me of everything I dislike in certain alien designs. With that said, I actually don't dislike Worthington and liked him in Terminator Salvation. However, if it becomes Dances and Wolves, like has been beat like a dead horse in these TBs already, fuck this movie. No fucking of eyeballs for me, though. Book of Eli did it much quicker than Avatar did, even if Denzel looks like Lucas Simms' human counterpart. I still can't get that post-apocalyptic jizz out of my one eye.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Dances With The Aliens

    by AsimovLives

    With CGI. Lots of CGI.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    T2 is a very entertaining and well-made film.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I happen to think T1 is better, but to each his own. But in fairness to the haters, some people just don't like movies built around 12 year old boys. Is T2 a "movie ruined by kid sidekick" movie? No, it's not. But I see where the haters are coming from. Personally, I think the tension from scene to scene in T2 is so brilliantly maintained that they could have put Jake Lloyd in that film and it still would have worked. // BTW, to TurdontheRun, DELGO was in production back in 1999. They also had a "gimmick" of posting all of their artwork and animation work online a scene at a time as it was done. They called it "digital dailies". So it's a bit silly to point to the much-delayed 2008 release date of that film and use that as evidence that there's no basis to comparing the two. Personally, I think the question of whether or not Cameron actively stole from DELGO is pointless. The important thing to keep in mind is that another movie marketed itself using much of the same imagery used by Cameron and the world said, "That is super Liberace gay and I ain't gonna go see that." Maybe it's wise of Fox to try to get as many people as possible to prebuy tickets four months out before too much of the imagery of this film gets out there and makes people conclude that the film is as lame as DELGO.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    don't drink the cool-aid

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    cameron is the new lucas! i love how on the trailer the first line of text says "from the director of titanic" hahha. people look at camerons past work through rose colored glasses. really look at his filmography and there are a lot of real turds there. abyss also sucked btw. "you never walked away from anything in your life now fight!!!!" gay.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Where are all the Halloween II reviews?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I suspect this site will kiss Zombie's ass any day now.

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Orbots Commander, Moriarty is a fat smelly fuck

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    I have no problem with light scifi, but when the first movie sets the standard of near horror levels of grimness you have to follow up on that. Or it's just a case of blue balls. Don't even show me your grim cooch and then close your legs you bitch!

  • Aug. 28, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    My friend said it best....

    by Doctorarzt

    when he said his hope died when the gay blue guy was all in awe of the floating glowing fairy things...

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    CAMERON ISN'T THE NEW LUCAS

    by theplant

    WHAT A STUPID THING TO SAY, THE FIRST STAR WARS WAS CRAP, THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED IT WAS THE SFX AND IT WAS NOT LUCAS WORK. ALL THE STUFF IN BETWEEN IS CRAP, NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE STUFF IN EPISODE 1. CAMERON HOWEVER IS A PURE FILMMAKERS, SO FUCK YOU, I'M GOING TO SEE AVATAR

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    IF T2 WAS COMING OUT TODAY

    by theplant

    IT WOULD BE DESTROYED BY THE TALKBACKERS AND REVILED AS PURE CRAP (WHICH SAYS MORE ABOUT THE TB THAN THE AWESOMENESS OF THE MOVIE)

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    The Problem with Avatar is not the Rendering of the CGI...

    by Sidepocket

    The problem is the basic one that seperates the pros from the hacks. Pop in a Pixar movie. Watch them talk abut their films. Rendering, lighting, particle effects...all of that talk takes up about 30 seconds to 1 minute of them talking about making the film. And they make nothing BUT CGI for their films. So what do they talk about all the time...DESIGN! Design! Design! Fucking Design! All the pros know from 2D animation, claymation and anamatronics is design! If the design is off or fails, all your work fails. So no, besides the mechs, the CGI is really good. The textures, most of the animation, lighting, and particle effects are all top notch. The problem is the design of the Pandora world and mainly the Navi. I could go on forever on why the Navi are horribly designed, starting with that they made the world green instead of purple like in the original treatment. But that is another novel long post for another time.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, noon CST

    The design is purely subjective

    by ominus

    for me its breathtaking.and i dont need to be a pro to have that kind of opinion.

  • Aug. 29, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Are people hypnotizing themselves?

    by JoeSixPack

    The writer of the linked page goes on and on about how realistic it looks. There are gushing reviews for the teaser. R U SRS? What are you drinking? What are you smoking? And can I have some of that because that's some powerful shizzle. Give me a friggin break!

  • Sept. 3, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    my tuppence worth...

    by nobbythehappyelf

    1. Underwhelmed by the trailer online. 2. However it did look more impressive on a 40" HDTV on Xbox live. 3. Glad that it's not a remake [totally fed up with them] or a by the numbers sequel. 4. More excited by District9. I'll go see avatar in 3d, but I'm not expecting too much anymore.

  • Sept. 4, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Photorealism/"Wheres the amaazzing effects??"

    by EML

    Ok I love this contradiction. People who arent impressed with Avatar are angry at the lack of photorealism, while simultaneously demanding mind-blowning effects and wank wank wank. Its so stupid. How do you make a rock look better than a normal rock. Thats photorealism, u cant improve it!! Its alsmot like you guys are expecting to 10,000 money shots a second, with no down-time. Sucks. to. be. you.

  • Sept. 4, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Sidepocket.. U wanted a Purple forest??

    by EML

    HA!!!! just Imagine! If Pandora was coloured purple, just iiimaagine the hate that be spewing forth on these forums, more than it currently is. If you cant accept the current green forests as photoreal, how the hell would u react to a purple one! All hell would break lose. And for the record, you do get your magneta forest.. but only at nighttime.