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Behold Sigourney Weaver As A Na'vi!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Merrick here...
Empire has an article about AVATAR featuring a few images we haven't seen yet - notably Sigourney Weaver's Na'vi Avatar in the film. I believe this was in the recent AVATAR Day footage - but since I couldn't see it... because it wasn't playing here..a humiliating emasculation of my Geekiness...
Said images have no gone online over at MarketSaw.
Here's Sigourney...
You can find more shots at MarketSaw (HERE). The MarketSaw piece clearly indicates that these are scans of the article, so forgive picture quality issues.
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behold!
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More blue cat people for furrie freaks to fap too!
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gay?
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They are fron the new Empire I got my subscriber issue yesterday
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I'm not a hater, but the more Na'vi I see, the sillier this thing feels.
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hahahahaha it's not different at all, is it Steve!?
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That is all.
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get these scoops in this day and age? Amazing...
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It just looks kinda like Ferngully
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Just Stop! We've all seen the trailer and the fifteen minute preview! It's fucking boring and we don't give a shit anymore!! Ferngully meets the friggin Smurfs. YAWN
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Someone had to say it.
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Ferngully meets District 9 meets the Fockers
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On 3D Imax this is truely amazing. Trust.
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My eyeballs shall remain chaste well into 2010
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Nuff Said
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The preview looked like a videogame to me. Sure, there was a lot of detail and clear signs of imagination at work, but had that in the backgrounds for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, too. I'm sure it's going to be mind-blowing on IMAX 3D, and maybe eventually seen as a "game-changer," but since the nearest IMAX screen to me is still an hour's drive, I don't think I'm ever gonna see this the way it should be seen for full effect. The most expensive and technically accomplished arthouse movie of all time.
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The fact that you have to ask where the mind-blowing effects are at proves how amazing they are. Seriously, if it's not grim and dark and dirty and gritty it's automatically silly and lame and bad. Anyone who complains about the "juvenile" designs betrays their own narrow minded and stunted development as a human being.
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and JC Hits it outta the park! I think there may be a few retractions from the naysayers come september...
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in 3D, prolly cuz The Polar Express made a fortune. So will non-IMAX 3D violate my eyes in the same way?
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lets make that december...
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I swear to God I will burn my local theater to the ground.
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Aug 26, 2009 12:30:57 PM CDT
"The fact that you have to ask where the mind-blowing effects ar
by dhaemon
LMFAO!
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Aug 26, 2009 12:30:57 PM CDT
Phantom Menace - Attack of the Clones - Revenge of the Sith
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
what is new here? Avatar is not doing anything that we haven't seen before. right?
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Better get those torches ready...
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Seriously.
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It'll be a $350 million career killer
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Will reinvent the way movies are experienced Epic masterpiece mind-blowing Photo-realJaw-droppingCGI unlike anything you have seen before Like dreaming with your eyes open Revolutionary Cameron's Lawrence of ArabiaGame-changerThis generation's Stars Wars Unlike anything you have seen before Truly amazing Prepare to be blown away Breathtaking Like a highly addictive drug that had left my mind yearning for more Can't stop dreaming about it This movie had activated parts of my brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films
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Sigourneys Navi was like looking her with makeup.Like bonahma-carter as ape in the POTA remake.
The haters may continue their idiocy as long as they want,but they can not change the fact,and i mean FACT,that the use of motion capture and cgi in avatar,has been very excellent in creating the navi characters as alive,expressive,motional and soulful.IMHO Sigourneys navi is the best example of this terrific work,well at least from what i saw in the preview.
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At what point is it no longer Sigourney Weaver? If they redraw her face to look like the Statue of Liberty's face, does that make it Sigourney Weaver too?
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Aug 26, 2009 12:34:33 PM CDT
Hitler learns that the Avatar trailer sucks.
by trannyformers_apologist
Youtube Hitler hates Avatar teaser
http://tinyurl.com/n2w3uh
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knock that shit off. its old!
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Aug 26, 2009 12:34:41 PM CDT
Detail in stills is great, but if it looks like a cartoon on scr
by juansanchez
fuck the stills.
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. . . how many times the haters type "smurf" between now and opening night. LAME
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not feeling this at all
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Anybody who clicks through that link or has the issue of Empire and STILL thinks the effects work is anything short of brilliant...you have no eye for detail. Those pics honestly don't look CG at all, they look like a make-up effect.
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sure would be nice if you could show us where our titles are gonna cut off, AICN.
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"Sigourneys Navi was like looking her with makeup.Like bonahma-carter as ape in the POTA remake."
then why cg her at all. just put her in make-up and save $100 million dollars. this is cgi for cgi's sake. boring -
which means she impersonates someone else as an actor in the movie.and i brought the paradigm of bonahma-carter in the Apes turd remake.
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Zoe Saldana's blue alien looks like Uma Thurman.
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And it was friggin incredible. The trailer does the effects absolutely no justice. If you even the slightest interest in this film, you will be completely blown away when you see it in IMAX 3D. If you hate what you've seen in the trailer, you'll still be bitch slapped in IMAX.
Honestly, James Cameron could make a movie about Space Bananas in love starring Michael Sera and Amanda Plummer and it would be awesome. Stop doubting and just wait... -
Because no amount of make-up can make someone look ten feet tall, that's why.
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this is Phantom Menace 2009. watch the hate flood in after this movie is released. it will be a repeat of 1999 all over again.
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She looks nothing like an Irish road/canal digger.
(that's navvy/navigational engineer for ye yankee doodles)
Glad somebody mentioned Cheetarah. Means I can do my "Thundercats 'ho" joke again. -
Smurfs, Thundercats, Delgo, Ferngully, totally joyless asshat talkback troll, etc, etc.
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they used "lifts" in boris karloffs shoes for frankenstein in the 1930's...
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It does look very impressive (especially in 1080p) yet still remarkably cartoony which just leaves me cold. I like Cameron flicks because usually they splice high end CG artwork as well as plenty of practical real-action shots.
Sure, push the envelope as directors guys but what is that difficult to understand that sometimes with CGI one 'real' practically made model that carries weight and moves awkwardly and clunky (i.e. the dropship model in Aliens) is more involving to the audience than 1,000 small CG ships zipping about space firing guns at each other purely because it resonates as more physically true with the viewer -
...I generally get the impression that people don't know what they're looking at. It's certainly true that people have misconceptions about CG which taint they're expectations, and -- on top of that -- I think a lot of people are just not able to get past the bright color palate in this movie. Also, the Navi look cartoonish and juvenile to so many because -- for this type of creature design -- video games and cartoons like Ferngully are the only frame of reference available. Add to that the fact that the performance capture technology is beyond anything ever used before, and I think it's safe to say that many people are just not able to imagine what this experience will be like until they are actually sitting in the theater. And -- although not everyone will be able to see it in its intended mode of presentation -- I'm sure that just seeing the performances in the context of full scenes and moments, with or without the added depth of 3-D, will be something of a revelation.
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...what if none of the Na'vi are real? What if they are all just humans in disguise?
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Blue was a bad choice.
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Aug 26, 2009 12:41:41 PM CDT
The model ships in Aliens still look better than most CG
by juansanchez
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Your comment about Karloff has no merit. Unless he was wearing 4 foot lifts.
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lets do it like the ancient greek theater,where 3 men were doing all the characters.it worked then,it works now,its even more economical,why the hell not?
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you just blew my mind!
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Its pretty impressive just how much the Weavatar looks just like Sigourney Weaver when you see it acting and emoting.
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You fucking cynical, jaded bastards. Why don't you live a little. "It's blue, I hate it! Waaahhh!"
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if they did the navi as practical effects they would look more real than cgi because they are real. in 'lord of the rings' they make gandalf look 5 feet taller than bilbo. they didn't have to make a cgi gandalf to do it.
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Cameron is calling kbco tomorrow at 8am. Brett Saunders says he's gonna tell him he's never seen Titanic and has no desire to.
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And you can tell every time when he's composited into scenes. And when it's a forced perspective scene (in Bilbo's kitchen) it's painfully obvious Ian Holm is not really looking at Ian McKellen.
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The film really does feel like they are actors with makeup on, but it's impossible because the facial features of the Na'vi and Avatars are different from that of a normal human. Those stills look great and are indeed photorealistic! Watching them move and talk and actually show emotion on their face down to the finest skin detail, something tons of makeup will never accomplish, is extraordinary! These stills show us that the alien designs are indeed appealing (well depending on the angle sometimes they look odd). I'm betting this film will indeed find wide appeal! And thus I will conclude that Avatar will OWN YOUR ASSES!!!
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Here's how they go-
"Looks like udder shite. LAWL."
"Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, I already know it'll be the biggest flop in cinematic history"
"Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, it'll be the single greatest event in the history of cinema."
"Meh. Just a ripoff of Thundercatsmurferngully."
"Weird political screed completely unrelated to this talkback."
"Bale!"
"Fail!"
"This was already posted on _____.com"
"Fuck this shit! Where's the _____ talkback?"
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Yeah, those scenes were pretty bad. The depiction of the hobbits was a major failing of Jacksons trilogy, at no point did I think of Elijah Wood or Sean Astin as little people.
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remember that 3d glasses cut a bit the color strenth,which is one of the reasons the movies cgi is so colorful.Now i dont from a cgi point of view he chose blue for the alien skin,i am not expert,but i believe it has to do with the rest of Pandoras colourful world: if he used green,we couldnt disguise them from the forests,yellow is too bright and couldnt tell their facial characteristics etc,orange and red are not very bright as colours,and so on,or maybe at the end it has to do that Cameron is an lover of the aquatic life,and since pandora is based on the oceans universe,blue is the coolest choice for him.just my thoughts,but a cgi expert should know more about this choice.
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No, we cannot... The BALE never fails.
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Let's see actors jump around and do tons of physical stunts and kung fu in platform shoes! Let see how well makeup will make their bodies elongated and thinner! Comparisons to Gandolf and fucking Frankenstien are hilarious, all those fuckers did while next to people and hobbits was walk slowly. You're not thinking! Look at the effects work and detail on the faces of the CG in the IMAX preview, or when this finally hits and tell me how in hell practical stuff would pull that off! It'll look silly and fake like a person with makeup on! But at least it'll have no trouble blending into the scenery, luckily Avatar doesn't suffer any problems from this either because of their amazing lighting engine and excellent CG work!
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...how geeks will fall all over themselves to praise the CG in the latest video games, but when they see an upgraded version of that same style of CG in movies, it is an affront to God and America and must be condemned with both barrels. Why is CG acceptable for video games, but the only acceptable method for visual FX in movies is what Harryhausen was doing damn near a century ago? Are you guys just trying to score easy points by jumping on Cameron for running his historically oversized mouth? Are you guys just habitual bitches who only get a pitiful semblance of joy from tearing down everything around you to make yourselves appear savvy? -
Make that Sir Ian Holm and Sir Ian McKellen.
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as in something not living up to his standards?
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instead of Battle Angel Alita
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They are making a CGI movie,and they use that specific art form,with its limitations and advantages, to tell their story.
u know CGI the thing that its the dominat tool to create vfs in a movie,and in the near or far future will replace all the old-fashioned sfx tools.
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Aug 26, 2009 1:00:24 PM CDT
Yes idiots, this scan of a picture of a still is not "mind blowi
by dr sauch
Guess we better write the whole fucking thing off then huh? Morons....
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you forgot "fuck michael bay!"
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you guys are morons. Some like this, some don't, some don't know yet - do we need the name calling?
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my point is that this looks like Phantom Menace. a cartoon with live action people mixed in. the navi are no different than jar jar binks. im really not trying to hate on avatar, its just that i think cgi is not the end all be all. "look how photo realistic it is! look at the lighting!" yeah, and you know what? it doesn't look photo realistic at all. it looks like a cartoon.
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I'm certainly not arguing with the fact that a person may not like the design elements, I'm just voicing my disbelief that people still say the effects work look bad. I don't understand how anyone can say that having seen these screens and the IMAX footage.
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Aug 26, 2009 1:05:29 PM CDT
In the 10 years since Binks, CGI figures haven't improved.
by venvariants
I mean - the trailer looks awesome and all...but it still looks totally fakey/animated. We'll see - King Kong was better than it first looked too, so...
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I don't understand that. I will never understand that. But it is what it is.
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cgi is ok for video games because all video games are cgi! movies are not.
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Character is like her?
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http://tinyurl.com/m9p2uj That doesn't look real to you? What is it about that image in particular that doesn't look real?
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They couldn't have achieved pretty much the same thing with some blue greasepaint and contact lenses? It would have looked better. Remember Sigourney as the sexy demon in Ghostbusters II? That I paid money for. Avatar...maybe I'll catch it on an LA to NY flight someday. I'm now an official member of CGIA: Computer Generated Imagery Anonymous. I've gone cold turkey. Except for Pixar. They know better than to mix live action with CGI imagery.
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actually, in THAT case, BALEfail would make sense.
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...but we'll just have to wait and see.
As for the cgi itself, I just cannot take anyone seriously who looks at those stills and has seen the 3D Imax presentation and still doesn't think this is some of the best cgi ever.
It might not be THE best, but it certainly stands shoulder-to-shoulder with anything else that can be considered such.
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the still images look realistic. just like the still images from the cg1 final fantasy movie looked real years and years ago. but, when you see it in motion it looks like a cartoon. just like the final fantasy movie did.
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In my opinion I think they nailed the eyes and teeth. And you can trust me when I say this, I saw the IMAX footage. I'm not just basing this off screencaps.
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and define the what do u mean it looks like cartoon? it looks likes bug bunny in cgi? thundercats in cgi? like T-1000 in T2? like the dinosaurs of JP? like videogame graphics? cartoony like what?
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Looking at those pics there is an amazing amount of detail...but those eyes...those giant fucking anime eyes are what totally screams cartoon.
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my point exactly
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"They know better than to mix live action with CGI imagery."
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That's the thing though, I have seen them in motion and they look real.
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only with dave though.
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when what are the eyes for a cgi being? just getting philosophical here,ignore me
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Aug 26, 2009 1:16:11 PM CDT
Dave era was the best. I hope they can get the magic back.
by juansanchez
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i've seen the preview too and there is no way that the navi's movements are realistic. seeing the moving preview is what started to disappoint me about this movie. i liked what i was seeing up until i actually saw it in motion. then my reaction was: its a cartoon. its roger rabbit...
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Just that little thumbnail foto of her... those eyes!
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My point is you can't use an opinion, aka personal taste, as an argument against quality. And the quality of the work on this film is the very highest.
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Respect to JC for casting her.
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and the effects look great too. it just does not look real.
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See the trailer for it here:
http://tinyurl.com/thundersmurfs
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Okay so the the fact that all the Na'vi movements were actually performed in real life and motion-captured translates to not looking real? This just in, real life people are actually computer constructs!
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No special effects look real, from the Thing to LOTR to Avatar. There are visible seams in every method of FX, whether you want to admit it or not. Since fake visual effects can't be as perfect as live action, should filmmakers stop trying to use and improve the technology for movies? I don't want to see another big muppet/stop action movie, I'm glad someone is trying to improve the CGI/live action integration, and I'm thrilled that it's Cameron. I think you guys who write off this movie as cartoony because of the CGI would not be satisfied with any method of portraying a 10-foot tall blue alien inhabited world, period. -
What specifically was unrealistic about it to you? This is a serious question...I am not attacking your opinion, I am just legitimately curious.
To me, they didn't exactly move like humans...but then again, they aren't humans. That said, I thought they moved with weight, and seemed fully integrated into their environments.
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Space broke up the url: http://tinyurl.com/loxej5
That should work for the Thundersmurfs -
I can't wait until it comes out so I stop hearing about it.
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i like her, but you have to admit. she is a bit man-ish
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I was hoping she was blue.
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now it's not meeting expectations. That's his fault. I'm not saying nor have I ever said the CG sucked or was inferior, but he claimed this was a whole new level and it's not.
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The motion of the navi is the best thing in the preview.You can tell whatever you want about the photorealism of the cgi etc,but the navi movements were remarkable.And there is a lot of detail in that.
I have watched the trailer for 100 times and i have started finding out small details that i wasnt aware before: in the water tank,the 'sleeping' navi,he has his eyes and mouth flickering like he watches a dream.in the end when the 2 navi move their head towards each,other u can see Neuteris mouth closing a bit,a small detail but is that detail that makes that romantic scene with those two,like it was real with real people.
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From Alien 3 on it was all downhill. Then came Resurrection where they covered her increasingly leathery 50-year-old hide in goo for some reason.
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You know, I've been reading a lot about how people don't like the design of the Na'vi. I haven't hated the look, but it hasn't wowed me either. But I think I just figured out what's not working for me: although the upper face is "otherworldly", the lower half is just too normally human. Human mouth, human teeth (apart from the fangs I saw in the trailer), human jawline. The bottom of the face doesn't reflect the alien nature of the upper part.And I guess I don't like the human hairlines, either. But that's a smaller nitpick.Anyway, I'm still eagerly awaiting the movie. Can't wait to see some well-executed digital 3D!
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Cameron claimed was in reference to the technology they used to shoot it, not the software they used to render it. And in that respect he was correct.
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they move in a very over-exaggerated, unrealistic way that i associate with animation. just because something is motion captured does not make it real. the animators still fiddle with the motion. have you guys seen the trailor? the movements are totally animated looking. like i said before, its great looking, but not realistic looking. if cameron is making an animated movie like roger rabbit then that is fine. but, this is being sold as "photo-realistic and game changing". and so far i have seen neither of those things. and i am not going to pay $15 to see this in fake imax and i don't care about 3-d. those things are gimmicks. i want a great movie with a great story...
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Some of you are annoying bitches.
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the motion capture is 100% accurate,which means they have captured all the bone and muscle movements.maybe the problem is with the cgi skin which dresses those movements and not with the movement itself.
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because so far all I've seen is garbage.
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FUCK OFF
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You can't lump your responses to me and Koyaanisqatsi in the same post, because my argument for their "Realism" is totally different from the one he is making. Motion capture has nothing to do what what I was saying. My point is that maybe they seem like thet don't move "realistically" because, as you said, the animators fiddled with the mo-cap to make them move with a certain feline grace, which makes sense since they are obviously very cat-like in appearance.
Please define more specifically what you mean by "over-exaggerated" and "unrealistic", because, I'm telling you, I bet a lot of what you are having problems with was fully intentional. -
Nice. Weaver is an icon... Still remember seeing her in them little panties-n-top (yum) in ALIEN... But, she has some pretty THIN LIPS (no jokes please)... Good to see the narrow pucker is reflected in her Na'vi, otherwise it aint SW.
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Imagine a planet with different gravity, a different atmosphere and totally alien biology. Is it so hard to believe that an alien species out there on said imaginary planet actually moves like these Na'vi move? Any fan of true sci-fi knows that you cannot rule anything out at all.
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you guys must be tired...oh wait i see the fucking 5th post did...thanks yack!
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...the mixture of cynicism, misinformation, and piss poor rationalizations are truly unique. Once again, AICN Talkback proves itself to be a waste bag of asshatery.
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More succinctly put, how is a humanoid cat supposed to move?
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Do us all a favor and save your money for a pasttime you actually enjoy.
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The actors playing Na'vi actually spent weeks in a dehumanization training camp. They actually learned how to not walk and act in ways that are typically human.
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I've not seen the 15 mins preview so I'm just wondering, is it because of the gravity on Pandora? Because of their lithe feline bodies making them more acrobatic? or is it just really cartoony movement? I'll be disappointed if so
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sorry, but cameron invited this level of scrutiny by making the hyperbolic claims that he made. i don't care if cameron turns against me. ive never met the man
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He's nothing more than a spam-bot.
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BTW, I have not only seen the trailer but also the 3D Imax presentation on Friday.
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Source? Links please.
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totally, i get that. but, they did essentially the same thing in the first matrix movie and made it look realistic
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...you guys stopped feeding the trolls?
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There really is NOT many instances in the trailer where you get to see them moving. The only scenes we get of that are: Worthington Avatar moving toward the window- which looks bad bc they gave it that fake slo-mo trailer look, the girl Navi jumping into the scene- which doesn't look animated bc its just a body falling in slow-motion, and then the scene where one jumps onto the back of the dragon. There are really no instances where we get to see them move as they are acting. My point is this: we've seen way too little from the trailer to conclude that their movements are unrealistic. If they had included any of the scenes from the 16 minute screening, then I might agree with you, but they didn't.
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at least try to keep your facts straight.now try your next excuse to trash the movie.excuse not argument.
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yes! i am so sick of Trannyformers_Apologist posting the same fucking message in every single talk-back on this site. ever since people stopped talking about transformers he has had nothing to say. ban that bitch!
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a few days back. Can't wait for the report.
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First Matrix was mostly wire-work, though. Yeah, there was some "bullet-time" but that was still live-action photography. The cgi character stuff in the second Matrix was pretty disappointing after the incredible first film. To me, this shit in Avatar looks pretty well-done.
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Aug 26, 2009 1:42:43 PM CDT
There are going to be a lot of red faces come december
by talkbacker with no name
to quote sam worthington "I read all what was said yesterday about the, about the trailer. I can see their point. But as I said, it wasn’t meant to be built for an Apple Mac. It’s built for IMAX. It’s built for 3D. That’s what he’s designed it for. He’s designed it to bring people back to the cinema." that says it all really
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I downloaded the trailer, AND I saw the trailer before Inglourious Basterds.
It was very underwhelming. The full-CGI scenes were very reminiscent of The Phantom Menace.
From all the hype, I was hoping Cameron had managed to bridge the Uncanny Valley. Nothing in the teaser seems to justify that hope.
Here's hoping the final product delivers as promised.
ASIDE: I think Cameron should cut together a special teaser just for AICN with a new tagline. "This November, prepare your eyeballs." -
This is shit.
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I can't find the link now but there was an interview with Zoe Saldana sometime after comic-con where she said that they went through training. Like the Na'vi actors weren't allowed to nod their heads as a positive affirmation because it's a human gesture. Stuff like that.
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i'm not just complaining about the navi movement specifically, but the whole over all look of the alien planet and its inhabitants. george lucas did not succeed at making cgi look real and i dont think cameron did either
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You could challenge him to find and post for us where all those "quotes" come from, and he would not be able to back himself up.
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Oddly enough, Kinkade did background painting for Fire and Ice. He used the same color palette that he does in his dayglo/iridescent cheeseball landscapes.
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"george lucas did not succeed at making cgi look real and i dont think cameron did either" I'm sorry but I disagree. Pandora looks like a location and not an effect to my eyes.
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I've just seen too many people complain about how the Navi don't move realistically, and even if I hadn't seen the 16 minute preview, I'd still argue against those claims because there really aren't *any* scenes that showcase movement enough to be scrutinized.
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"ASIDE: I think Cameron should cut together a special teaser just for AICN with a new tagline. 'This November, prepare your eyeballs.'"
In all seriousness, what Cameron should do is release at least one of the clips from the 3D presentation online...I would say the jungle scene where Jake is being chased by the beast of prey. That would go a long way toward silencing many of the critics of the animation itself, IMO. -
unlike the Naviaiaiaiaiiaiaia.
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Well, actually that scene was the most effective, in my eyes, for the 3D presentation. I wish they'd included the show of the jungle collapsing all around them. That shot was so fucking cool, I'm amazed it wasn't in the teaser!
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THATS HORRIBLE.
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I DEFINITELY disagree with you on that last post. I happen to think the na'vi look and move fine, but I also think they are the LEAST realistic thing about the footage I have seen. When I watched the Imax presentation I was blown away by the environments. The jungle looks spectacular to me, particularly the nocturnal stuff, and the sequence where they try to take the flying beasts looked amazing. I think the creatures in the jungle sequences looked particularly great, too.
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Aug 26, 2009 1:51:45 PM CDT
I'd guess they're scrambling to cut a new trailer right now.
by juansanchez
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Squared.
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If the 3D version is that much better than the teaser, how should directors market their movies?
Maybe Cameron should release a "magic eye" poster?
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I agree with you there. The Pandora effects are easily the most spectacular thing on display, it really looks like they picked up cameras and filmed on location on a distant planet.
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If I have to do something special to make it not look like shit, you've failed.
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Because Cameron told the crowd at comic con, that this movie would help you shed 30 pounds in less then 2 weeks, without cutting into your diet!
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It seems like there are maybe 5-6 posters on AICN who have a decent IQ and display clarity of thought. Some are amusing in their wit and insight but most are mouth breathing, knuckle dragging trolls who choose to hate on movies based on trailers or lack of R rating.
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I also think the cliffside scene was the most effective 3D showcase. But I think the first jungle scene, with the creature chase, and Jake trying to find cover, etc., was the most effective showcase of the animation and environments. But, yes, some of those quick glimpses of shots at the end of the presentation were insanely detailed and very cool-looking. I think they were probably from the second half of the film, which is why Cameron left them out..."no spoilers" as he said in the intro.
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This movie has some of the worst concepts I've ever seen. It looks like they got the guys who did the Star Wars prequels to do the designs. Seriously, that power suit is embarassing, especially compared to Distict 9's alien suit.
If the concepts suck (ie the power suit, the Navi, the airships, monsters etc) then it doesn't mater how photoreal they look. -
Can't wait!
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Can't wait!
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Is almost 100% accurate.
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well, i disagree. there is plenty of navi movement depicted in the tailor. i'm not making this up to just to be contrary. to my eyes the animation looks just like that. animation. just my opinion. i wanted to be excited about this movie, but the more i see of it, the less excited i get. i still stand by my comparison to Phantom Menace.
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I want this movie to blow me away. I want it to deliver on all its promises. I just don't need to see any more of it before it hits theaters. I understand they need to sell the shit out of this in the hopes that they'll make their money back, but damn, I feel like I've seen so much of the movie (and have gotten the gist of the story) that I almost don't need to see it until the reviews start coming in. Because really, this film has to bring so much motherfuckin' pain in order to even come close to the hype, it's just astonishing (and masochistic) to think about.
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So, I see a spoiler tag around the title of the post, and as far as I can tell, the title itself IS the spoiler and is clearly visible whether you click on the story or not. I'm not upset about that being spoiled or anything, just questioning the logic.
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I must remember that when the teaser trailer for TRANSFORMERS 3: DECEPTION OF THE DECEPTICONS eventually arrives.
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Aug 26, 2009 1:59:39 PM CDT
"Saying it's better 3D is like saying it's better drunk"
by generaljackcosmo
"If I have to do something special to make it not look like shit, you've failed."
I disagree. If this film was shot with Cameron intending to present it in 3D from the start, then he most likely composed each and every shot in the film with that in mind. If that is the case, then of course it does not look as good in 2D. That is no different than a director shooting a movie in Cinemascope, and then having it presented in pan & scan. Of course it doesn't look as good. -
I think the best scene that displays everything, from great animation to photrealistic effects is the scene where Sully's avatar wakes up in the hospital facility. There's no amazing forest stuff in the background to distract you. The animation looks amazing and you can really see Worthington's performance behind the CG. The character just feels alive and full of energy.
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then we can talk if the trailer of a 3d movie is cool or not.until then shut it.
Btw its a fact the studios frantically promote the 3d cinema,because they think it will kill piracy.ok with that.but what about home piracy,when we all are going to have 3d tvs and we can copy the digital content as easily as now.what about that situation? -
Cameron said he composed primarily for 2D then checked the 3D monitor to ensure it looked OK.
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We make sure that not ever IMAX theater on the planet is showing Avatar when it is released. And we do a train tour around America showing a clip from the film so everyone can see what A Christmas Carol 3-D will look like. Avatar, not opening in every IMAX when its released, good job IMAX.
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I'm pretty sure Cameron said the opposite of that. He composed the shoots to work in 16:9 in 3D then made sure it worked in 2.4:1 for the 2D versions. I don't have any proof he said that but I'm pretty sure.
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I hope she gets more than a cameo, I'd like to see her get some serious screen time. The Weaver can kick Sam Worthingtons ass any day of the week!
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quality writing and cinematography do. 3-d and imax are gimmicks and they always have been. this movie seems to be relying to heavily on both.
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I don't care if it's in REALLY BIG IMAX! or SUPER KEWL 3-D! or has TOTALLY SWEET DIGITAL ANIMATION! Is it... a good story? Are the actors... good in it? Weaver will most likely not disappoint.
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Really, we get those instances I spoke of. Those are the real "movements" (also including Sam running from the creature, but that's too brief to judge). The other shots of the Navi are of them just standing or sitting around. There is no footage of a Navi walking or running or waving his arms up and down or "acting" really.
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"Cameron said he composed primarily for 2D then checked the 3D monitor to ensure it looked OK."
I hadn't seen him say that. Even so, I think most people only have the previously "gimmicky" 3D of other films as a point of reference. If films are filmed with 3D in mind, even if the director is composing with 2D in mind first and just checking to make sure the 3D also looks good, I think that is past the point of being a gimmick.
The fact is, I am sure that people believed talkies and technicolor to be gimmicks when they first arrived on the scene...and they WERE, because they were first used by filmmakers who did not understand how to make them work to actually enhance the storytelling...but now we take those things completely for granted. -
although if you have a link of some kind I'll gladly admit you're right.
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Just be honest about it and tell the 95% of the audience who don't live near an IMAX 3D to keep their money and just forget about the movie.
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Seriously...I dreamt about seeing Avatar 3D at my local cinema (which isn't an Imax). The only problem was, the 3D didn't seem to work at all. It was playing as a 2D movie...the glasses, they did nothing.
About 5 minutes in, I asked if the glasses were working for anyone else, and everone shouted "NO!" so we all walked out and went to see a Star Wars marathon instead - and the damn 3D worked in those films.
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...on regular screens, too, btw. I think the vast majority of people in America will have access to this movie in 3D, just not on Imax.
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Trailer for the Toy Story 1 and 2 in 3-D for one week only? Where Buzz, Woody and Boo Peep are in 3-D and Rex isn't? Its funny, and that ladies and gentlemen is why Pixar is the best at everything.
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Sigourney`s pic, as always, looks great though. What kind of dink would want to CG her in the first place when they should be showing off her glory for real........
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Cameron is bullet-proof.
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I have to go to work so I'm out for now. Hopefully this talkback won't degenerate into buffoonery like the last two have, but I'm not holding my breath. :\ Nice to get clear-headed responses from some of you guys (GeneralJack, D.Vader and Nerd_Rage, sorry if I left some folks out).
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is collosally disappointing. Could have been achieved with prosthetics. I'm still holding out the rest of the film will be good though.
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Maybe most screens in America are 3D ready but around the world it's a different case entirely.
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I imagine Cameron's got the courage of his convictions.
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CAT PERSON!!!!
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thats something i would like to see
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where did you hear or read that?
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It's a movie, not a sporting event. Quit going on about the "HATERZ" and how they will eat their words in December. If you like it, great. If others don't, deal with it.
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Out of interest?
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And explain how the fuck IMAX works. How can I live in a state with two Imax theaters, and neighter of them are going to be showing Avatar when it is released. For a theater chain that has SO few screens how is not every single one of them going to be showing Avatar on opening day? Also why can't Imax theaters show 2 movies?
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I don't have photoshop, or I'd do it myself, but c'mon, if we can have Dr. Tobias Manhattan, we can have Tobias the Na'Vi
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and stop stealing my headline! :p
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It was at Comic Con! He said it! Then he said that if he purchased our tickets to Avatar that day, he would throw in a FREE Sam Worthington action figure complete with working wheel chair, a $35 value!
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So I guess Dark Angel should be in, what, it's 10th season by now?
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3D porn is on the way. I read an article online that a porno company began work on one after seeing the 3D naked chick in MY BLOODY VALENTINE.
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since when were they never nudes? :)
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and what's the reason for not showing it at every IMAX?
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Some do. My closest Imax sometimes alternates between two movies.
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folks forming a negative opinion of a film (in this case, JC's "game-changing" Avatar) based on pre-release marketing materials are just as entitled to their opinions as those who love everything they've sees. At this point all we have to go on is what we've been shown, and maybe some access to the scriptment. I could honestly care less of it's photorealistic. I'm just not very impressed with the production design I've seen thus far. Doesn't really do anything for me. And considering the story seems to be something of a popular retread, count me in the "meh" camp.
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you will feel like you can actually 'motorboat' the girls!
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LOOKS LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT
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cool, later. i know, its impressive that this talkback has stayed pretty mature. weird... Fuck michael bay!
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i think you accidentally left you 'caps lock' button on...
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I fucking love video games. I really love video games with mechs, but final fantasy isn't that bad either. I also fucking love the Thundercats, and have you even seen Dances with Wolves??? It's an amazing fucking movie. Even more amazing at the time it was released. Also who the fuck doesn't like the Smurfs? ...
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dare i say it? i think i may wait for the dvd.
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Aug 26, 2009 2:30:25 PM CDT
A "Game Changer"? Riiiiight. Like 'The Watchmen'. Ya.
by basement_cheetoh_eater
Seriously folks..I do hope this movie turns out well..but the hype is beyond reasonable. Everyone is so utterly convinced this will 'change the way movies are made'...and yet they're forgetting that The Watchmen carried some of that same hype (especially on this site). And, no offense to all the fans here, but The Watchmen faded into irrelevance FAST and has not stood up well on repeated viewings. I hope for a good Avatar....but I won't buy the hype.
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I don't know? From what I gather some Imax theaters have booked A Christmas Carole through the Holiday season, even though it comes on November 6. Hopefully thats just wrong. But also there are a good number of IMAX theaters that are part of a museum and only show those damn Nature docs and Fly Me To The Moon.
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It's not rubberlike CGI, and for the first time, the eyes are PERFECT.
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Ever been on a date with a really hot chick? (or for some AICN readers, we'll trim that statement to "Ever been on a date?", nootch!) You watch her come down the path, round the bend and start walking towards you. She looks so beautiful, so stunning, she’s almost cartoonish in her imperfection. You’ve never seen a woman so fantastically put together nor move with such grace. You are enamored by her and swear to yourself all in a matter of seconds that you will marry this woman and live happily ever after. Then she arrives at your feet and you see her slide her keys into her purse…and there it is, dangling from her keychain, hanging like a totem of worship to all things unpure and evil and wrong in life,…a Jar Jar Binks collectible key chain toy. Your heart skips a beat and silence follows. She clearly has the taste of a twelve year old child with ADHD and you need to bail, fast!
My point being, it is unwise to weigh in so heavily on a film (or women for that matter) before you can be allowed to view the entire package. Cameron has proven himself a more than capable story teller in the past and I’m going to have faith in his abilities to lift this visual content above the standard of storytelling we normally expect from CG imagery of this caliber (i.e.- the “Star Wars” trilogy 1-3). Be patient; personality and good old fashioned story telling can turn an ugly goose into something amazing. If you judge with such fanaticism before you even have a chance to watch the finished works, you muddy your conscience with likely false premonitions that are hard to shake and you may spoil your chances to ever enjoy the film as it was intended.
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The less people that show up opening day, the better seats i get.
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nothing can live up to the hype, now a days. not phantom menace. not matrix 2 & 3. not watchmen or spider-man 3. i think hype hurts a movie more than it helps. like, for all you know, megan fox is terrible in bed...
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It won't be 3 hours of "Superheros" staring at the camera.
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It's beside the point: Doc Manhattan wasn't a never nude either.
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When they're selling this thing so fucking hard.
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is your name a reference to the 'black adder' tv show?
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...in the pic of th Na'vi with the headband (I guess it's Zoe Saldana), I never noticed before that part of the headband is made from a pair of big, dragonfly-like wings. What a cool little design touch.
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Will wonders never cease?
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i hope this bombs so bad rothman is shot dead
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is an article about the creators of 'delgo' suing cameron for ripping them off to make avatar! hahahah! i may not be a fan of avatar, but that is just absurd!
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StudIo: "So, James you got a new movie idea. About time I must say. Tell us about it."
JC:"Well, it's just like Aliens II but ..."
Studio: "Yes ..."
JC: "The aliens are the good guys."
Studio: "Oh. Anything else?"
JC: "They're blue."
Studio: "Oh. Why didn't I think of that? Aliens II: The Revenge? Is you know, Signourny in it?"
JC: "Yes."
Studio: "That's a relief. Who's she play?"
JC: "Well, she's an avatar."
Studio: "A what?"
JC: "An avatar. Like in a video game. She's controlled by her human self and goes out to the planet to do ..."
Studio:"Avatar things. Whatever that is."
JC: "That's right."
Studio: "OK, I'm just trying to get my brain around this whole avatar thing. So the blue aliens are the good guys and the humans are the bad guys and we use our avatar extensions to kick alien butt. Right?"
JC: "Close. Only there's a lot of stuff about nature and ecology and war and evil corporations ..."
Studio: "The usual. Well, sounds good, familiar, safe ..."
JC: "And it will be in 3-D with CGI that will know your socks off."
Studio: "Can't wait, James. So how much is this thing going to cost? I hope not too much over 100 million."
JC: "Well, I'm thinking well north of 200 million."
Studio: "Hey, it's been great talking with you. Say high to the wife and kids. And don't call us. We'll call you." -
Aug 26, 2009 2:49:00 PM CDT
RIP James Cameron (December 19, 1997)
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
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I can actually see her whole face. The other characters features and eye spacing makes it hard to focus on the face in the same manner that you would a normal human face. I'm sure your eyes evetually adjust to this, but it's off putting, because you find visual focus trapped to one side of the characters face. Incapable seeing the entire face because the eye spacing is to far apart.
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My apologies ;)
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they do.
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It's too easy to be dragged down to everyone else's level. I will try harder though.
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She dies AGAIN!!?? Fuck man. Why does the badass chick always have to die?
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"Your movie has character riding dragon-like creatures! So does ours!" *William Shakespeare climbs out of his grave* "You, daft creators of "Delgo", have a boy and girl from opposite, opposing families falling in love in the midst of a conflict between their kin, just like in MY story! Can I sue you in turn?"
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Have any of you watched Phantom Menace recently?
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nothing really spectacular. Had this come out before ep1 it could have set some kind of bar...10 years ago. The Navi only look like a slight step up from the quality of jar jar and ther's nothing groundbreaking about that.
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Stole his story as well.
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Should sue Delgo for similar images and ideas too.
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Human meets chick from a strange civilization, fights the evil men that he came with who want to exploit said civil-yaaaawwwwwwn-ization. Shit, sleepy all of the sudden.
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thats funny cause in 1997, they were saying RIP JAMES CAMERON July 15, 1994....
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Aug 26, 2009 3:04:40 PM CDT
Nothing will ever be as revolutionary as the OT and the PT
by thepilgrim
the OT changed the way directors tell stories, it changed special fx forever. The PT brought CGI all out to the level that gave directors like Camron the ability to do this. Th ePT might not have been as fun as the OT, but GL changed the game once more by making it- Forcing all of these new ways and technology into films.
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for stealing the idea from Dances With Wolves. And then... yaaaawwwwwwwn... trying to keep my eyes open here... whoever Costner stole the idea from should sue... fuck this I'm gonna take a nap.
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the average joe is just hearing about this movie. Ask any of your non Fanboy friends what they heard about Avatar. Very few know anything. Most of us haven't seen in 3-D Imax which is how the director intended for us to enjoy the film. Our opinions wont mean much until opening day. It's just talk and something do fill the time with but no minds will be changed. Have fun spending hours on here.
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thanks. will do.
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and Final Fantasy the Spirits Within did this shit first. FFSW dropped the flag down "it can be done" Beowulf said and you can get just about ever preformance from real actors using some new camera and render techniques that steve used on A.I.
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but I think some of you fine people are bringing the hate way to hard based on some internet images and a teaser trailer. I think James Cameron, if you are a fan of his, has earned your trust to give the movie a chance. It's not like we are talking Bret Ratner's Thundercats here.
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I've watched it recently, in fact I'm one of those who likes it. It's a fun film.
But regarding the cgi comparison, Menace came out 10 years ago and featured a cgi character in a lead role in a live action film. Whatever you think about Jar Jar as a character, as a technological achievement, he is a sight to behold.
The Phantom Menace was the most recent leap forward in cgi character creation, not Gollum. Gollum followed on the heels of Jar Jar. It may look a bit dated now, but it was 10 years ago....Avatar is supposed to be the next step - photo-real cgi characters...frankly I think Star Wars did it better.
Forget Jar Jar, Watto looked more believable than the Na'vi do. The spaceships etc show no marked improvement from what we saw in Battlestar Galactica, which had a fraction of the budget of Avatar.
When someone says photo-real, I think that if you shoot something with a camera...like a garden or something, then recreate that footage exactly in a computer, so much so that you can't tell the difference, that's photo-real We aren't there yet. -
but lots of things are off putting about it so far. does it make me an asshole to have and be vocal about my own doubts and dislikes so far. Fuck no. There is no alter under James Cameron. He shits and pisses just like everyone else. Hius toilet bowl might be solid platinum, but he still has to be human every damn day like the rest of us, and one thing thats we all know about everyone else is that we all make poor choices and mistakes no matter how talented and sucessful we are at what we do.
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Not a huge fan of the movie, aside from the awesome saber duel, but it's still technologically impressive. And Revenge of the Sith is downright gorgeous.
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Sure, watching giant rabid Smurfs fight Marines sucks, but it just isn't the special effects. This whole story is lame and has been done to death already (as many have pointed out already, you want this story, watch "Dances With Wolves.") I don't need to watch "Flies With Smurfette."
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Go back to dreaming, those Star Wars sheets and bedspread seem to be working just fine for you. Next up, your Star Wars Coma.
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Aug 26, 2009 3:18:13 PM CDT
Dances with Wolves, Last of the Mohicans, Last Samurai...
by juansanchez
it's been done.
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but, D9 did a lot of the story elements that are in avatar too. did D9 steal Avatars thunder?
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I still have tons of faith in Cameron, but what he seems to be trying to pull off is HUGE. He needs to low-ball the movie just a bit.
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Aug 26, 2009 3:25:37 PM CDT
FACT: The Na'vi look leaps and bounds better than Jar Jar Binks.
by mr. nice gaius
And if you're using Jar Jar as your benchmark for present day CGI, then you haven't been watching a whole lot of movies lately.Speaking of TPM, it was on TV the other night and I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of it. That movie is a headache inducing load of nonsense. Most of it, if not all, is nothing more than a demo reel for ILM = look, another spaceship is landing, look another cute critter in the background, etc, etc, etc. And I'd seriously forgotten just how wooden and dull the whole thing is. In fact, if it weren't for the lightsaber duel between Qui-Gon/Kenobi and Darth Redface, I don't think anyone would have cared about seeing the next two films.
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about blue people. I'm trying, and I cannot think of one single instance in my life where I have found a blue alien or character to be aesthetically pleasing. People subconsciously react to colors. My sister is great at pointing out subtle aesthetics in movies and tv, she makes a hell of an arguement that the bridge design of any sci-fi show determines it's success. To this day she insists that the reason why Star Trek Next Generation was such a successful show despite it sucking royal ass for it's first 2 seasons is because the bridge was all warm earth tones and looked like a livingroom. And the reason Enterprise failed was because it's bridge was sterile and metallic.so anyway, along that same vein, I'm starting to wonder if the simple fact that the Navi are blue makes me not like them.
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That's what Cameron needs to make, the bio of Harry. From his days as a little geek to a mega-internet sensation (who loved the movie CABIN FEVER by the way).
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Just tear up those N'avi and call it a day.
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It is unforgivable, like when Lucas ripped off Hidden Fortress for Star Wars. The whole story about a young warrior rescuing a princess from an evil villain has been done to death. And the effects were totally laughable, I can't believe that you guys would fall for all that obviously fake looking space shit. Sorry, losers, I don't need to watch this "Hidden Rebel Base." FAIL. -
Really? Where are the white hats?
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Aug 26, 2009 3:31:09 PM CDT
I think what we're dealing with here is post-PHANTOM MENACE
by yackbacker
We have become a pretty cynical (and rightly so) bunch thanks to the poop-in-the-face experience called STAR WARS EPISODES I-III. I mean, if you're a Catholic, it would be like reading the Pope went on a hooker and coke binge during Easter. There are times when the things you believe to be true end up not being the case. STAR WARS was supposed to be awesome because it was always awesome. You could depend on it, that's the thing. And then, when it failed to be good (let alone awesome) things started to get messy. And then you had INDY IV, which most of us find disappointing. It's not all on Lucas. Those MATRIX sequels really left a lot to be desired. And there are many other movies that have been hyped to death and failed to meet expectations. So, living in an age where movies are meant to make 30-40% of their total gross during opening weekend, we've been hit on the head regularly with bullshit marketing.
James Cameron knows this, I'm sure. And he's doing it big, as this is the only way he works. If he fails to meet those high expectations he's created, well, Jimmy, we've got a problem. Credibility will be lost with yet another filmmaker. And that leaves very few, dependable people left for us... -
Isn't it funny to see a guy riding a bike, and smoking a cigarette?
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That was a good really post, broke it down nicely. Loved the Pope analogy lol. Cameron will disappoint with this one I'm afraid.
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How can you losers compare the CG?
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For all dislikers of blue aliens out there.
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Aug 26, 2009 3:39:14 PM CDT
It may not be the second coming but it's better than...
by zombieheathledger
Jar Jar AND Gollum. It's not revolution but it is evolution.
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Just asking.
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...Did someone just shit on the LOTR hobbit vis-á-vis human shots? Granted, a couple of shots looked a wee bit off, but for the most part PJ nailed it. I totally bought it for the duration of the trilogy. So much, in fact, that for a long time afterwards I found it weird seeing Wood and Astin playing human-sized characters. I'd put good money on the claim that most people who saw those movies felt the same way. The combination of unspectacular CG effects and children dressed as hobbits for some scenes was sheer genius because the effects didn't draw attention to themselves. I think that's what Cameron seems to be going for -- a film where, yes, the 3D is awesome, but doesn't draw attention to itself to the detriment of the story.
Those who think make-up and platform shoes are the way to go probably think the "dwarf" in D&D (a normal-sized guy crouching in the background) and the "giant" in Hawk The Slayer (a rather tall fellow standing in the foreground) were convincing. Oh wait, no you don't -- you just pull shit like that out of your cyst-studded nostrils to piss people off.
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Still look pretty damn good to me. And to whoever asked how the Navi could be done using prosthetics, just look at Hellboy 2 for the answer.
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"Even though I haven't seen a frame of this movie, I already know it'll be the single greatest event in the history of cinema."
"Meh. Just a ripoff of Danceswiththundercatsmurferngully."
"Weird political screed completely unrelated to this talkback."
"Bale!"
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"Fuck Michael Bay." (Thanks Nerd_Rage)
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"James Cameron raped my childhood."
"Jar Jar looked better."
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Aug 26, 2009 3:42:13 PM CDT
I remember when my eyeballs were still virgins..................
by crackerfarmboy
Now they've been fucked so many times!
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Aug 26, 2009 3:43:05 PM CDT
I absolutely hate the prequel trilogy, especially Jar Jar Binks
by smackfu
but in honesty in terms of tech demos, Jar Jar Binks looks far more impressive than the Navi. Like if you found someone who had never seen or heard of either movie, and showed them a picture of Jar Jar and a picture of a Navi, and asked them to guess which one was the newest in CGI technology, they'd surely pick Jar Jar. To say Jar Jar was annoying is an understatement, he was an absolute abortion in Phantom Menace. But no one ever accused him of looking like a videogame cut-scene, and he looked like he was made of matter.
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You know what I find REALLY sad about TPM ten years on? It's the only film of the prequel trilogy that even remotely feels like a Star Wars film. I can't even begin to express how horrible it makes me feel to admit that.
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Um, we saw this right? It was called X-men-and it sucked
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Aug 26, 2009 3:44:23 PM CDT
"You idiot feebs are about as useful as marzipan dildos."
by mr. nice gaius
Ha! I'm getting that tattooed on my arm.
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All thats left is the collosal ass-reaming this movie takes from the critics.I love-LOVE!- all Camerons movies, but I have yet to see a suck ass trailor that did not equal a suck ass movie. Based on what I have seen, I will not be seeing this for at least 2 weeks after its out. If my suspicions are then confirmed, its going to be a DVD rental at best. Some observations: Even in some of the stills of the Mechs, you can totally tell its a CGI man inside. Why? Having a 19 century wheelchair is retarded in the what...22nd century? You'd think they be more advanced. The jungle creatures I've seen all look like something out of the Lucas trash-bin. The Avatars...Good God. They look so fuckin stupid that theres no way the audience is going to buy them. No. Friggin. Way. Argue and cry and defend and believe, but you know-as I know-that they are the lynch pin thats gonna sink this ship. Love ya, James, but you made some piss-poor decisions on the designs for this. The over-use of CGI is like cynaide to any movie. To base you main characters on CGI? Huh? To have your female Avatar in a Indian HEADBAND to show shes a native? Good Lord. Who sat there at these production meetings and thought up this crap? Remember when Lucas took all that time off before the prequels? Looks like the same thing happened to Cameron after Titanic-too much time off, surrounded by geeks who are all telling you that this CGI shit is so advanced, so realistic...Wait until the TV ads come one. Your average joe and jane are gonna smell the suck coming off this one a mile off. This just looks horrible on every level. You can bet the suits are sweating right now, and big time at that. Heads are gonna roll...
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thats the point. phantom menace was 10 years ago and the avatar cgi is not that much better.
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do you have first hand experience with the marzipan dildo?
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The greatest bit of CG in the whole prequel trilogy is when it dawns on Watto in AOTC that he's talking to an adult Anakin. It's about three seconds of underplayed awesomeness and the only moment when one of the aliens feels real.
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Have you seen the 3D segments yet? I'm guessing no. Don't make such dumb ass statements.
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I'm sure the boots from Battlefield Earth are available.
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Yes. It melted before I could bring it within three feet of your mom's ass.
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I know and it's a REALLY, REALLY remote feeling, too. There is absolutely no trace of the swashbuckling aspect of the OS to be found anywhere. And it only gets worse with the subsequential films.I've said it before, STAR WARS and I quit dating sometime during AOTC. We both realized that we had nothing more in common.
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there are actually idiots calling this movie thundersmurfs hahahaha
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And TPM is pretty damn good, too. AOTC, I've seen it twice.
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I know, I stopped dating Star Wars too. Still, I will pay it a visit every now and then for a drunken hate-fuck, but I always end up loathing myself in the morning.
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...fuck the blue alien chick in STAR TREK when I was about seven. Hell, I didn't even know what I wanted to do with her naughty blue parts...but I was sure neither she nor my parents would approve......I will say that for an animated creature, blue seems less convincing and realistic than say, green. Not sure why that's true...but it is.
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fuck 3-d. 3-d won't save this or any other movie
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The Avatar FX is about 1000 times better than Phantom Menace. If you can't acknowledge that you are either blind or stupid. Look atthe CG grass on Naboo then check out the jungle environment on Pandora. There is NO comparison.
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In terms of "tech demos", Jar Jar looks better than the Na'vi? Are you crazy?! What clip are you watching?! Even without seeing the 3D IMAX footage I can tell you that's a false statement.
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i know. she was very disappointed in your performance sexually and then when you brought in the marzipan dildo that melted she was completely done with your lack of sexual prowess. so sad...
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and it still is today...
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...and he's supposed to be ILM's answer to Gollum.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:01:26 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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AOTC wasn't too bad but ROTS felt nothing like a Star Wars film. It was leaden where the originals soared. But you're right, TPM feels most like a Star Wars film, just a very boring one.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:03:56 PM CDT
...stumbled into CG Yoda on tv the other night...hadn't seen him
by flickapoo
...since those flaccid prequels first came out...made me angry and depressed just to look at him.
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You are a genius. Your observations on talkback behaviour are truly astonishing.
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Fuck all you haters. These are the same fucking people that think Prime looked like shit. How do you fuckers enjoy a movie?
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...theory about TNG for years. Your sister is right on the money.
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...not when he's still and just talking.
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But most people WON"T see the 3D Imax footage. Most people will see either the 3D standard screen footage or 2D standard screen footage.
It doesn't matter how good this will look in Imax 3D. Star Wars (A New Hope) looks great on the small screen, the big screen, drive in movie screens...you name it, that movie works on it.
If Avatar is relying on Imax 3D to look good then 90% of the people who see the movie won't have seen it "how it was meant to be seen" which makes the whole Imax argument null and void. -
Not as sad as that comeback, Nerd_Rage.
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Stupid tribal tatoos? Well besides the fact that they will probably be in tribes. Then why do their tribal tats look just like every other douche bags tribal tatoo he got even though he's never left the state.
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The puppet just works better for me. Sorry, but it does. You can babble on about how technologically advanced the new Yoda is all you want, but I still prefer the puppet. I'm not saying CG can't work... hell the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, which was EARLY 90s, STILL works. The CG half of Harvey Dent's face in TDK is amazing... I have to remind myself its CG when I watch it. The Avatar trailer just looks like a bunch of plastic CG, and does not convince me. I'll still give it a chance in 3D. I'm sure it's cool.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:11:24 PM CDT
Stupid haters: As ALIENS, Na'Vis don't have human SKIN or EYES
by the_hypnotoad
Cameron could make them "more *HUMAN* realistic" if he wanted to. But they are EXACTLY as they are described in the '97 scriptment. Only "humans" have human eyes. Only "humans" have human skin.
Oh, and about Sigourney Weaver's Na'Vi's age, her character as an Avatar is *SUPOSSED* to be younger than her. The "human" Dr. Grace Agustine is a "Forty-something" grim smoker. Her "Avatar" is a young Na'Vi, and like Jake Sully (Sam Worthington's character) she uses the Avatar to fullfill a handicap: Her aging. -
Aug 26, 2009 4:11:28 PM CDT
FlickaPoo He acted beter than most of the real actors!
by lockesbrokenleg
I don't know how anyone can say that Yoda looked bad. Shit, he looked much more convincing than "Never change facial expression" Gollum.
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Amazing bit of CG work.
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The Yoda puppet is the definitive Yoda and the CGI version comes off as nothing more than an excuse to show him as a lightsaber wielding badass.And I've got nothing against the look of Optimus Prime. In fact, he looks pretty awesome; the best out of the Bay lot.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:12:21 PM CDT
...it dawned on me the other day that AVATAR isn't a real movie.
by flickapoo
...it's more of a CAPTAIN EO, theme park experience/event type thing. It's both less and more than a movie...mostly less.
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Wow, that was so revolutionary!
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It really is the better site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99E16w0PxCA
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Is all this state of the art CG going to be rendered a bit useless, because the film is in 3D? I mean, I saw Beowulf at the cinema in 3D and it looked kind of fuzzy; and was headache inducing.
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You're an idiot.
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I just find it so sad that some people just can't see beyond their 20 year old copies of ESB.
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or whatever his name was, has been awfully quiet since the trailer was released.
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For the most part, I think I agree. What I was saying was that I haven't even seen the 3D footage, I'm going by the teaser trailer. And even in regular 2D Quicktime I can tell you that the CGI is a vast improvement beyond Jar Jar Binks.
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i know erectile dysfunction probably makes you angry and frustrated, but therapy may help. and try to stay away from the marzipan dildos. maybe diabetes is why you can't get it up?
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Cameron used a new camera system, so maybe the 3D will be better. I have trouble with 3D cause I need glasses and light can reflect between my glasses and the 3D glasses - which is annoying.
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...and my eyes hurt...after about 20 minutes I get tired of concentrating and the whole thing goes fuzzy...
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see past pretty effects and bright lights.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:20:06 PM CDT
FlickaPoo wow, do you get sick walking down the hall?
by lockesbrokenleg
Maybe lose some weight.
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Oh dear.
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Maybe if Lucas had made a movie worthy of ESB, people wouldn't be so cynical about his overuse of CGI.
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It is funny. What goes around comes around. The advent of television caused the studios to try whatever gimmicks they could to lure an audience. 3D, Cinerama, CineaScope, Panavision, stereophonic sound, Todd AO, etc. Now with the advent of HD home theater that rivals the theaters, were back to new and improved 3D on a giant IMAX screen. William Castle would be proud.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:23:50 PM CDT
It looks like a dude. The Navi looks pretty masculine too...ZING
by azultool
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a 20 year old movie you might unclench that tight asshole, and enjoy something.
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...are obese?
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From the director of PIRANHA PART TWO: THE SPAWNING!
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Riiiggghhhttt. Thanks for missing the point.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:26:20 PM CDT
Locke's like that little piece of shit in Jabba's palace
by mattmanreturns
That Salacious Crumb little fucker. Annoying as fuck, but his screaming is hilarious, so you keep him around just to point and laugh at him.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:27:11 PM CDT
MattmanReturns Yeah, I get to sit next to Slaeve Leia all day
by lockesbrokenleg
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Yours are equally profound and astute.
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lockesbrokenleg is the Salacious Crumb of AICN.
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It looks so cartoony/fake. Even if their were aliens with bright blue skin this is not how I would imagine them. The shape of their body is very detailed but also just slightly cartoony. Definitely not the style I was expecting and hoped for coming from Cameron.
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Maybe you should kiss Herc's ass. Just say you like Whedon.
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it looks exactly like a floppy rubber puppet with eye-lids. The CGI version is way better, you nerds cannot be serious!
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Explain.
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"this is not how I would imagine them" - "not the style I was expecting and hoped for"
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that is not photo real... transformers features photo-real CGI....nothing can even compare to it. this on the other hand looks like crap. if the trailer is just a sample then its a pretty poor sample...the fanboys may say "this looks better in 3D " well then give us a way to view the 3D or dont shw us something we're supposed to be wowed by. but i agree that the more hype applied to anything, the more dissapointed the fanboys are....cuz ya know their whole lives revolve around getting excited for movies and video games only to get dissapointed over and over and over, surprised they all havent commited suicide by now.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:40:09 PM CDT
Have you "just got off the phone" with JC Lately, Harry? If so-
by the_hypnotoad
Tell him to read this talkback...
It's going to be hilarius for him reading the naysayers bitching the failure of this film, bassed on the "fake" look of a... 2D trailer of a 3D film... and a SCANNED FRAME!! -
Why so defensive? You are the one, in most TBs, doing all the criticizing! Pot! Kettle!
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Why not compare Avatar to some 20 year old movie.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:44:47 PM CDT
Again, naysayers are mistaking "PHOTO REAL" with "HUMAN REAL"
by the_hypnotoad
And AGAIN, Planet Pandora forest, the creatures showed (the Slinth tiger and the Bansheerays) and the Na'Vis are ALIENS CREATURES. They SUPOSSED to look different!
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the only reason i have to see this is to see the 3d tech. the na'vi designs are disappointing which makes a story about them= meh.
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Shithead, that's your best? I make a statement, without resorting to vulgarity, and that's your answer?Stay Classy Salacious!
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an annoying cunt like Sigourney Weaver is in real life? Have fun fucking Tim Robbins!
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"It looks like they got the guys who did the Star Wars prequels to do the designs."
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Meanwhile, people out in the real world will be enjoying Avatar.
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I think you're thinking of Susan Sarandon.
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Did you mean Susan Sarandon?
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ROTS is the only one with any type of replay value. AOTC looks more dated the Jurassic Park, TPM has 2 scenes worth watching the pod race and Darth Maul. At least I pop in ROTS and somewhat enjoy the entire film. That's impossible with EP1&2.
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they sure seem to argue about them a lot.
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Aug 26, 2009 4:59:47 PM CDT
Well, maybe Sigourney Weaver is fucking Tim Robbins too
by the_hypnotoad
Just don't tell Susan Sarandon
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You may have me confused with someone else re: 20 yr. old ESB.I was at Comic Con for the full 25 min. treatment, and can't wait for Avatar's Opening Day.
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wasting your time, like all classic bullies theyve grouped up on you...prob something theyre used to doing to each other in their fanboy circle-jerks. i see where you're coming from, but they dont and wont. we are jerks because we dont believe cameron is god and can do no wrong, we must all bow to the great cameron, just because he did this, and that and the other thing..if we dont, we are naysayers and the like. we are unworthy of comment because we, like many others dont approve of what we've been shown, its cool, but not what was hyped, and we are entitled to state our opinions...but the "regulars" who like to beat their self important opinions over the head of everyone cannot be argued with or they TRY to redicule the "naysayer" with their logic...they only make themselves look rediculous, especially since we both know they are the classic nerdy fanboys, sitting in a basement, with mommy doing their wash and cooking their meals, with no hope of sex, beyond with either their 2 hands or the dog. so of course they get offended when u criticize the great jim cameron when he tells us we are getting a juicy steak and he gives us jerky instead... its hillarious, but true...
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"Look at the CG grass on Naboo then check out the jungle environment on Pandora. There is NO comparison."
Hey numbskull. The Naboo grass was REAL. They shot footage in the hills of Northern Cali.
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Sorry, but not only did they blew their wad too early on this movie, but they are releasing way too much content. This doesn’t come out until the end of the year! When it does you will have already seen almost all the movie, know the entire story, seen a million stills of every creature. The excitement is over now, let alone in December! F YOU CAMERON! YOU RUINED THIS!
Whats tomorrow? Another 20 min viewing? Toys? Other stars Navi? A a 25 shot photo album of locations? Interviews?
What ever happened too keeping things under wraps –like what the creature look like for starters. This sucks!
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BLUEEEEEEEE CHIIIIIIIIIICK!!!
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Listen, I was a little underwhelmed by the trailer as well.But who cares how it looks?Maybe, just maybe, it will, you know, actually be a GOOD movie - a well crafted story complimented by some exhilerating action scenes?Remember, James Cameron is one of the most consistant movie makers in Hollywood. Even when he's shit, he's STILL great (yeah, The Abyss, Titanic and True Lies are all pretty shit movies, but they're all great. Thats how good he is.)At the very least Cameron should be applauded for making something original that isn't a remake or based on fucking comic book.Fucking chill-out and wait and see.
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Yes, they can look different. The point is they don't look like they live in real world. Look at Gollum's skin in LOTR or the Prawns carapaces in D9, these look like things that exist in a real world. I look at the Navi and I see a cartoon character that does not look like it exists in the real world, put a human next to that creature and the effect is exacerbated even more. I'm not a hater, but I'm not going to lie and say I was impressed when I wasn't.
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than you guys sadly. That CG Sigourney Weaver looks really well done. And fucking TPM comparisons? I'm sure this film will have much more soul than that shit. And the CG in some of the environments look fucking brilliant here. Especially the jungle and floating mountains.
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I have no interest in Avatar. 3D is a fucking gimmick and an animated film is just that no matter what bullshit Cameron says. Don't get me wrong Cameron is great, but leave animation to Dreamworks and Pixar. Get back to Colonial Space Marines and Skynet.
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IMAX theatres are owned and operated by different companies. IMAX corporation runs about 7 theatres. (http://www.imax.com/chicago/theatreinformation/corporatetheatres.htm) If a movie is played or not played the decision is based on the individual theatre and the movie studio. Many could physically play Christmas Carol and AVATAR if there was enough time in the day. 4 shows of AVATAR would take up as much as 14 hours (If the run time is indeed around 3 hours.) leaving no room for Christmas Carol. If a theater picks Christmas Carol, a great film to play during Christmas, there is little or no time for AVATAR. From the studio's point of view, when you spend hundreds of millions of dollars making and then marketing a film, you are going to want every available time slot you can get. I would imagine it is a tough decision for the theaters to make.
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Aug 26, 2009 5:18:46 PM CDT
revenge of the sith was fucking awesome
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
except for the whole fucking "shes lost the will to live" part. and was that a cgi baby?!??!
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He'd tap Cameron's ass to direct the last 3 Star Wars movies based on the fact the 3D is fucking amazing in Avatar.
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Let's not get crazy here.
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Sorry not realistic!
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Unprofessional
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I agree, maybe (I hope) there is a really compelling story, but that's not what Cameron has been selling here all this time. He has been claiming game changing eye-ball raping visuals. He didn't say your brain will be raped with a great story and script, he said the visuals will knock you off your ass. I saw the same trailer you guys did, in HD, on my 40" plasma screen, and my eye balls went "meh". My wife, who knows nothing of the flick and the hype around it said "It looks like a cartoon" and actually picked out some collision-detection gaffs in the CG I hadn't noticed before (look at the big gun in the mechs hands when the guy in the wheelchair comes down the ramp, the stock of the gun is clearly bleeding into it's forearm).
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I saw the 3D presentation and it works great with both the CGI and live action stuff. The 3D is definitely the best, most "immersive" 3D I have ever seen.
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the worlds reaction to avatar won't be love or hate. it will be "Meh".
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just look at Worthington's Avatar in those scans they posted. Fucking ridiculous. Jar Jar my ass. You fucking retards. You're really just trolling big time here.
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...R.I.P. James Cameron's talent.
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How do the backgrounds look when there's a character in the foreground? I find backgrounds often get murky in 3D - are they improved here?
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Both incredibly hyped. Both are the product of admittedly amazing technology. Both are solving problems no one ultimately is asking.
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They look really good, but one thing you have to understand is that this 3D is different on even a conceptual level than a lot of the other 3D out there...even stuff that uses the same technology, like BEOWULF.
The problem with all other 3D I have ever seen, including BEOWULF--and I think this causes the effect you are talking about, which has been a problem for me too--is the way the 3D is used:
Usually, the shit in the foreground is "coming out of the screen" and they go for that right-in-front-of-your-nose effect, which throws everything else out of wack. In the 16 minutes of footage we saw, there was not a single "coming out of the screen" moment. Instead, the screen is basically the closest plane of depth to the viewer, and then there is an illusion of depth--like the screen is a window and there is a world beyond that, as opposed to shit "hovering" over the audience in front of you.
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Someone should tell them that Hype is supposed to make you want to see a movie not run from it.
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I will say that all Imax films, even 2D ones, depending on where I am sitting in the audience, tend to look a bit blurry to me during fast moving action scenes. But for this one I was sitting in the "sweet spot"...pretty much dead-center in the auditorium...and it looked great and was easy to follow even the quick tracking shots during the action.
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BURRRRRNNNNNNN
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You've got a point.Cameron totally (stupidly) oversold the technical aspect of this movie to a generation of movie go-ers jaded by vacuous CGi trash.
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We are telling thet truth. This looks like ass.
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cuz those fucking 3D specs hurt when you wear glasses, no matter how big they make them. Thats racism against the ocularly challenged. Thats right, James Cameron is a RASICT!
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Watching AOTC gave me one hell of a headache in IMAX. Just too much to take in.
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Aug 26, 2009 5:53:34 PM CDT
Are all the native "true" aliens modeled on black people?
by i hope you die
Is that what Cameron meant when he said the avatars would be human-looking but the native Na'vi would be more alien? They have African features? I just checked IMDB and a quick glance through the cast list confirms that everybody with an alien name is played by a black actor.
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I can accept that.
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My wallet was fucked, too.
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ok, i can see that. i'm in. :P
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Aug 26, 2009 5:59:31 PM CDT
slkboxrman, you're defending the biggest naysayer here
by mattmanreturns
Do you know anything about Locke? He hates everything not called Avatar. He's a notoriously negative talkbacker, and that's saying something.
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looks pretty fucking corny, man. the "realism" doesn't bother me so much. I could care less, really. It's just that, from what I've been exposed to via the trailer and the production stills, my excitement for this project has been diminished somewhat. looks a bit cliched and corny. same shit I got from Titanic, a film I didn't see until 3-4 years ago.
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don't apologize. you have exposed a deep dark truth in your post...
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Dropped a couple of the images in photoshop and changed the blues to greens and browns, looks a hell of alot better. I think something in our minds is just wired to scream "bullshit!" if something is blue. How many naturally bright blue critters are there besides birds? A few salamanders & some fish? The District 9 aliens were a hell of a lot more "alien" in design, but since they were natural tones, it was pretty easy to see them as realistic
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Aug 26, 2009 6:03:00 PM CDT
proud to say that i have never seen TITANIC!
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
if you have and you are male then you lost a significant amount of testosterone in the process.
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Let me guess, you think Death Proof is the greatest movie ever, right?
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You hate Avatar, you hate everything that AICN reports on. Yet, you're little shitty ass is still here?
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Stop nibbling at my leg, Salacious.
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It's been almost a minute. You forgot to slam on the latest movie, book, TV series, etc.
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I was quite psyched for this film leading up to last Friday. I snagged 2 tickets (quite easily - and regardless of the website later claiming that the showing was sold-out, the theatre was not more than 70% full) and went with my 11 year old son (he was also pretty excited to check it out). We both left the theatre incredibly underwhelmed. The lead alien looked like he had been modeled after Brendan Frasier, the sets looked like Jurassic Park painted in black-light-effected colors, and the scene when the Brendan Frasier alien shoved his hair into the alien dragon's tentacle was by far the STUPIDEST thing I have experienced in a movie theatre since Beverly Hills Chihuahua. It was so bad that it hurt. No joke. I can't imagine that the rest of the film could salvage the idiocy of what was previewed.
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Nice try though.
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let me guess. you like titanic more than death proof. (if you answer yes, you might be gay. not that theres anything wrong with that)
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Mr Jedi, i'm well aware that they shot in California, but the battle scenes all use CG grass. So why don't you do a little research 'numbskull'. I'm sure you have all the 'Making Of' and 'Art Of' books on your Jedi shelf.
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Let me guess, you're a racist, right? Yeah, i thought so.
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you yelled "first!!!" on that new megan fox/catwoman talkback. that is officially lame.
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How's that Tarentino shrine in your room? Collecting dust?
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OK, so? I'm a cat.
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im only racist against james cameron because he is racist against blue cat people and people with bad vision like skimn. cameron portrays blue cat people as jungle natives! why can't blue cat people be bankers or insurance salesmen?
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WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL LOCKESBROKENLEG???
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you bought my tarantino shrine on e-bay remember? you paid thousands of dollars more than you should have so that you could masturbate to that picture of zoe bell. remember?
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... really impressed me. You could easily identify the character as her. The Empire image does not do the image on film justice. My concern with Cameron's work has never been about his technical abilities... he an excellent technician. I just hope his story is at least good enough to serve the visuals.
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ok fine. the cg grass in avatar is better than the cg grass in phantom menace. you win that one. but, jar jar is still better than the na'vi!
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Locke yelled "FIRST" on the Basterds talkback...
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f*ck the nerds and their hate filled CGI obsession. Those stills look bloody awesome to me.
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looks like a thundercat
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lockesbrokenleg is clearly a "first" class movie fan. and anyone who can yell "first!!!" on a talkback has real talent
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Ain't gonna be no rematch, ain't gonna be no rematch. Don't want one!
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I wonder why no one else thought of that!
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....having now seen Sigourney's 'human avatar' I now realise why I think things look a little goofy where these things look- It's NOTHING whatsoever to do with the fact that they are stripey blue and 10 feet tall, nor the fact that certain shots might smack of obvious CG or not....no, it's the fact that I think Worthington's 'human avatar' looks daft because it's got the same WIDE nose exactly like the ones on the actual 'Na'vi' themselves! Looking at Sigourney's 'avatar' design, I reckon it's not and 'eyes' or 'ears' thing, but a 'NOSE' thing that makes Jake's one look weird! If his 'avatar' design had looked more 'human-like' like Sigourney's one, and kept his 'nose' proportions, he would look less ridiculous, and would be more 'relatable' looking I believe. While the look of the actual wide-nosed 'Na'vi' is merely okay, I think the VERY 'human'-like 'LIPS' is the weakness with them, and that they should have been given more of the 'cat'-like 'top lip' to give them a slightly MORE 'cat'-like alien look to go with their big 'cat'-like eyes and wide noses. Here's an example of what I mean - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3427876615_bbe3d73302.jpg (which shows Ron Perlman in his 'Beast' make-up) Basically, Jake's 'avatar' face looks TOO 'alien' to me, while the 'Na'vi' look TOO 'human' because of the 'lips'. Either way, if there REALLY is 'inter-species' kissing in this, rather than just a platonic friendship between 'avatar' and 'Na'vi', then I reckon this will come off even more ridiculous looking.
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HOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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did anybody mention smurfs yet?
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...they should be in an episode of Farscape.
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of the AICN talkbacks? I can't see how this can go on to December and beyond...
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Not everybody is hating on the film. I think it looks good. So do a lot of the talkbackers, including those that saw the extended preview.
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Somebody read your mind about Smurfs there...
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smurfs, thundercats, fern gully and dark crystal. anything i'm leaving out?
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Remember 1997? Remember when people thought that Titanic would be James Cameron's "Waterworld"? Remember when people wondered if it would even make its money back? Granted, most of Titanic's money was from teenage girls who wanted to get their Leo fix. But still...
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I bet this site will really slam it.
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You should've seen the CLOVERFIELD Talkbacks.
Specially the "It's awesome" one...
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...rolls down the drop-ships's ramp and there are mecha-type machines and stuff all around him... does it look REMOTELY real? You know: real-looking the way scenes in, say, Children of Men looked realistic?
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If teenage girls can go for SPARKLU Vampires.......
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Let's get realistic here.
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...Children of Men was filmed for 10 bucks but it STILL looked more realistic!
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sparkled like in twilight... oh, wait... they do sparkle like twilight....
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blech.
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i saw it! its a lion...and blue!
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Aug 26, 2009 6:59:01 PM CDT
lockes get over it, Avatar is a CGI diahrea swirl
by takingscorpioscalls
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Aug 26, 2009 7:01:34 PM CDT
Wanna go "REAL"? No planet (besides earth) can support life.
by the_hypnotoad
So, to satisfy the "lack of realism" naysayers complain, AVATAR should be about Sam Worthington wearing an oxygen mask, rolling on a Wheelchair on Mars for Two and a half hours...
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and thought provoking, so what would you know about it, Salacious?
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If the computer generated elements of the film weren't so brazenly touted as photorealistic, which at this point at least, they clearly aren't, I don't think there would be so much naysaying.
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....regardless of the quality of the movie, remember the terrific make-up designs for Burton's 'Planet of the Apes'? - http://www.fancast.com/blogs/wp-content/post_images/Blog-Planet-Of-The-Apes.jpg (Tim Roth's make-up) But remember how all that good work was ruined because Burton's squeeze was allowed a 'more flattering' look, complete with 'hairdo', 'eyeliner', and 'lipstick'!.... - http://www.fond-ecran.com/ORIGINAUX/cinema/planet_apes/planet_apes_024.jpg Well, same thing here, as the WIDE nose look would have made her a lot more unrecognisable in her 'avatar' mode. Unfortunately, this just makes Worthington look silly now....and looking more 'unrelatable' in his 'avatar' mode than Sigourney does. The SAME look should have been kept for BOTH of them....preferably with 'normal' noses!
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It was also a rip off several sci fi novels. What's your point?
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keep posting that shit, it makes me laugh every time.
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Hooooooooooooo!!!
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Well now, that computer Generated Imaging is getting better and better all the time. I wonder if we can get one made o' my daddy J.D. for the Library?
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thanks dude!
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TakingScorpiosCalls beat me to it. I guess I should read some posts first. Great minds think alike.
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Remember how everyone oohed and aahed at how photo-realistic the characters looked in still pics? Remember how everyone changed their tune when they finally saw the movie? Granted, motion-capture technology is the perfect solution to fix the zombie-stare and other animation problems FF had. But that's not enough to make it a revolutionary leap forward. It's a refinement.We already know that anything is possible in animation. The *real* tricky part will be convincing the non-geeks to take seriously what is essentially a cartoon. The trailers should emphasize story instead of bragging about technology.
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I see that now. I wonder if Cameron and his minions thought about the potential "Thundercat" rip off, blowback.
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It's one of the most highest grossing film franchises ever. Your precious Batman is also a fucking cartoon essentially.
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What is the key combination to add newline whitespace in these talkbacks?
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Fair enough on all counts, but how exactly are the *trailers* "bragging about technology"?
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when you talk your ugly talk about Avatar. Mr. James is Harry's friend - Harry love Mr. James; he make the magic light pictures and send Harry photos and action dolls. And Harry love the pretty-pretty blue cat people things from the jungle forest of Avatar planet. They are tasteful to his love of film. Harry wants to be their friend in their adventure world of dragon flying and mech shooting. Your ugly talk make Harry angry, and when Harry get angry, he get hungry. Time for delicious KFC chicken bowls!
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...I saw BASTERDS on Sunday in a packed house, and the general reaction to all three "geek" trailers--this, WOLFMAN, and INCEPTION--all seemed positive. It was cool...there was an audible positive reaction from people when "from the director of THE DARK KNIGHT" popped up in the INCEPTION teaser. Good for Chris Nolan. There were audible "wows" and "whoas", etc., form people in my vicinity during both WOLFMAN and AVATAR, so I did not in any way have the experience of some, where people were laughing at it.
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Aug 26, 2009 7:37:53 PM CDT
We're getting the "Thundersmurfs-Hoo!" since last week, sorry
by the_hypnotoad
And every single one that have writted it, thinks it's his "original and funny" own idea...
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By God, that might be one of my favorite moments from Attack of the Clones. The "acting" that Watto does in that scene is fantastic, where he's not quite sure if its Anakin, he's got an inkling, but then he decides no, it couldn't be. You can literally see the debate going on behind his eyes. And then when Anakin sets down the fixed pit droid and his wings go aflutter with the realization- excellent work.
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This really does look like a Final Fantasy film... in other words, obviously CGI and NOT real, however detailed it may be. Now the 3D may BE spectacular and like nothing we've ever seen before, but just from looking at the trailer, seeing the characters in action and the the large number of stills out there, it's PAINFULLY obvious that these characters AREN'T solid, AREN'T 3-dimensional and are simply hi-def cartoons merged with live-action. And quite frankly, I blame James Cameron.He's the one who's arrogantly hyped this movie as the movie that will revolutionize films for the next 20 years, yet when push came to shove, he's shown us nothing that hasn't been done 1000 times before (and better) in the past!Do ANY of you think that the CGI in this film looks more believable than the work done in JURASSIC PARK 16 years ago or DISTRICT 9 this summer??? I sure don't! This is just the latest in a long line of overhyped, overpriced "epics" that have more to do with the ego of the guy BEHIND the film, than it does with the actual contents OF the film. Because, honestly, this $240 million movie looks like a joke.
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it looks like another one of those CG fantasy films like The Golden Compass or Shorts.
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Aug 26, 2009 7:43:28 PM CDT
*A LOT* of average people still think this is Last Airbender
by the_hypnotoad
Sorry the double posting... sleeazy fingers...
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FROM THE GUY WHO WROTE BUFFY! Ah, yeah, right. LOL.
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http://www.boxofficemojo.c om/alltime/
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Showgirls has the NC-17 record. LOL!
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I'm watching it on Spike right now.
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O yea
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Have fun sucking the joy out of every movie that has ever and will ever be made. And frankly. I can no longer voluntarily subject myself to the unmitigated ass-hattery that has become this site's bread and butter. And it's not like I'll miss any news or exclusives. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.... *points to the ~10% of TBers that make this place fun* YOU'RE cool... fuck you I'm out.
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You people need to seriously get a life, so fucking negative about everything that comes your way. No matter how many of you people say it looks like shit, does NOT make it true. And you people will also have ZERO effect on how much money this movie's gonna make. So don't see it, no one gives a shit. People who like good sci-fi/ fantasy movies by good directors are gonna be more than pleased.
The comparisons to phantom menace are absolutely hilarious. When this movie comes out and every critic is hailing it as a true breakthrough in CGI, then what are you fuckers gonna be saying? From seeing the preview I already know for a fact that your all wrong. And I also now how goddamn exciting the footage was, like nothing I've ever experienced.
So if you really hate what you see, then don't see the fucking movie. But oh wait, we all know you'll be there first in line. -
People are generally very pleased with what they've seen, and reports from Avatar day have ranged from impressed, to life-changing. So keep ignoring the facts, but just know that it's only in the fantasy world of AICN that talkbackers can't get over a movie not meeting their expectations based on blurry photos and a 2 minute preview.
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1. Palapatine kills two Jedi so easily. 2. A whiny, sniffling, bitchy, cry baby for future Darth Vader. 3. Padme dies for what? (Lost the will to live?) She just had twins. She doesn't give a shit about her kids? 4. Yoda gives up the fight too easily with Palapatine and runs away like a scared rabbit. Lame...I could go on and on...
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There's nothing you can tell these people so it's really useless. Just have comfort in the fact that people who have seen the footage know what's up, and everyone else will look like fools come December.
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Aug 26, 2009 7:58:00 PM CDT
C'mon, e_plague. The "Hoo!" screams will last just untill Dec.
by the_hypnotoad
It's not that bad... you can resist untill then.
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...than a CG fabrication.
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1. I agree, 2 Jedi fell too easily. I understand the reasoning- you gotta show Palpatine is a fucking badass- but it was mishandled. Ian Mcdiarmid is a bit too old for sword-fighting, so it looked awkward and slow the way Palpatine killed them. It could have been handled in a better way, but I have no problem with Palpatine killing 2 Jedi easily. 2. Anakin was not a whiny, sniffling, bitchy, cry baby in ROTS. That's AOTC you're thinking of. 3. Padme dies from injuries sustained by her encounter with Anakin. Her "losing the will to live" is just doctor robot's medical mumbo-jumbo. 4. Yoda lost his saber and the high ground during the fight. Plus, Yoda can only go in great bursts before he starts losing energy (I'm guessing, I think its obvious that's the impression Lucas was trying to give). Once he was knocked down from the platforms and sustained what looks like some pretty painful head injuries, I think he knew he had lost all his advantages.
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None of those are dealbreakers for me.
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...because The Dark Crystal is a more inspiring work of actual craftsmanship than is a bunch of balding 20-somethings hunched over a bank of computers.
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...sure, it's not 3-D sensory-immersion IMAX blah blah, but I'd rather look at a Van Gogh painting than ride a carnival ride. To each their own, I suppose.
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...maybe I'll see you after December, then. Maybe this place will go back to being a place for movie lovers to discuss loving movies, but I doubt it. It'll probably just slide further toward mediocrity until Harry pulls the plug or sells it. But even being tangentially associated with the retards that pollute these TB's has become intolerable. I think I liked movies better before I started posting here. I think I'll go back to that. Peace.
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We love JC. If you can't see how excellent Avatar is you are a fool! You must be retarded! Just look at those giant furry blue cat things - how can you not see how lifelike and amazing they are?!? What are you, blind?! You must be blind and retarded! Why do you keep making fun of the most awesome movie ever made?!? Our loyalty is strong, but you are making us so angry! Stop it now! Stop it and love JC and Avatar! Now!
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Jar Jar Binks;
http://tinyurl.com/n4kdfx
Neytiri
http://tinyurl.com/n4kdfx
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I thought everyone knew that by now. You say "they weren't even filled 70%" like its an insult, when in reality that's the number they wanted for each theater. Its much easier for security to watch for bootleggers that way.
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Aug 26, 2009 8:08:09 PM CDT
MandrakeRoot, I have seen the footage or at least 20 minutes.
by toowhippy
And that's enough for me to tell its not living up to the hype that Mr. Cameron gave it. Of course I'll see the entire picture when It's released. He made arrogant statements about the movie and so he is inviting this kind of criticism. This isn't a "game-changer" or at least that's my opinion from the 20 minutes that I've seen in 3D which is enough. It just looks like what it is, a really expensive animated movie.
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He always pissed off looking and perfectly symmetrical in contrast to the absolute art Stuart Freeborn made for ESB. Fuck the kids are growing up. Now they want talk shit about which Yoda looked better and had more of a soul. You dry stupid cunts. Empires Yoda was the best. It the first one you saw. That looked became the blueprint and ILM shit all over it. All the toys show yoda as a pissed of mutherfucker, sideshows has him killing a clone trooper. Thats not my yoda. Not at all. They should have laserscanned the original puppet and added more hair to make him look younger. fucker ages 1 year for every ten he lives. He was 90 in esb. and 84 in phantom. The movement of the CGI yoda might have been much more real but the look is shit!
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Jar Jar
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#3. I believe the medical robot says something to the fact, "We can't find anything wrong with her...It's like she has lost the will to live." Mumbo jumbo? Is the robot a lying piece of shit? Why did they program the robots to lie?
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Why can't you see that? JC sacrificed everything and worked for years and years to give the people of earth a message of environmental responsibility and peace and love. And all you can do is make fun and laugh. What is wrong with you? Aren't you ashamed? Why can't you just buy your imax ticket now and be grateful? Or better yet, do as we loyal angry nerds have done and write a JC a personal letter thanking him for his humanitarianism. Do it, motherfuckers! Write JC a letter and apologize for making fun of the beautifully realized cookie monster creatures and tell him how great he is! Do it now!
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James Cameron has not hyped this movie. What he has hyped is the way he has *made* the movie, and many others have picked up his lead (in which he described how he's developed a new way of shooting 3-D) and many *other* people ran with it and said its "revolutionary" and that they predict this is the future of movies- that directors will now start shooting their films with this technology. As a matter of fact, Ridley Scott is already planning on shooting his next scifi film with this 3D setup. So don't throw all your blame at Cameron for all the misunderstandings that have arisen around the source of the "hype".
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HE'S A DIRTY STINKING ROBOT! YOU CAN'T TRUST THOSE FUCKERS!
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This place has become a wasteland of negative nerds. But it doesn't matter one bit, because this place is like a bizarro world. Even the beloved Dark Knight is hated on with a passion now. And of course Neil Blomkamps next film will be just as derided. This is place is so predictable someone should start making bets on it.
Oh and Avatar will absolutely be revolutionary to film. That is a complete guarantee, no matter how many nerds think different. The film could be horrible and it will still be a game-changer. -
This place has become a wasteland of negative nerds. But it doesn't matter one bit, because this place is like a bizarro world. Even the beloved Dark Knight is hated on with a passion now. And of course Neil Blomkamps next film will be just as derided. This is place is so predictable someone should start making bets on it.
Oh and Avatar will absolutely be revolutionary to film. That is a complete guarantee, no matter how many nerds think different. The film could be horrible and it will still be a game-changer. -
#4. Yoda lost his saber and high ground? How many races of people died under the hands of the empire over the years? Fucking millions on Alderan alone. This was Yoda's chance to stop the rise of the Sith and STOP the coming Empire. The little fucker should have given his life in the attempt to stop Palapatine. Yoda gave up! How many lives did that choice cost?
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Are you saying that there shouldn't be debate? So what if its negative. Don't people have the right to their opinions? I think you mean revolutionary to cinema not "film" BTW. Also, nice double post.
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What with the blue skin and the apostrophes
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Anything But Tangerines get a NoPrize for that one...
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I just watched that scene because its on tv. Yoda lost his saber, didn't know where it was, and fell from a very high distance, landing on his side and rolling around on his head. He really had no advantages at that point. I agree that he decided to "go into exile" a little too quickly, but based on that fight alone, he had no other options but to regroup.
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wait until this is released and the story unfolds in spectacular imax 3d. jc hasn't failed us yet.
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Actually, that Star Trek chick was green. My theory stands.
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"Into exile I must go"...Bullshit...Yoda's weakness cost millions of lives. Lucas fucked up the whole mythos too. The "force" is not something to be explained. #5. The ending with Vader's "Frankenstein" moment and the cliche, "NOOOOOO!!! Like I said, I could go on and on and on...The movie was mediocre at best.
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Maybe Fox can tie in Pandora as the Alien Homeworld. Keep up the hating and they'll throw in some Predators because it sounds like all the negativity on this movie's opening trailer is making some Fox executives nervous.
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...makes my reaction to all things Avatar tepid.
"Dances with Wolves" in space. *yawn* I don't care how much eyeball fuckery is going to occur, if the story is a hackneyed, trite bore, I'm not going to slavishly lap from Cameron's scrote, unlike the rest of you fanboys. -
Now that was a good movie!
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The only negativity for Avatar is on "fan" sites like AICN.And exactly how are you privy to Fox's Executives's to know they're nervous?
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Does anyone remember the "hype" that surrounded Cameron's "Abyss"? The water tentacle and the sea aliens where hyped as "spectacular" and "groundbreaking" too. While I enjoyed the movie, the story was just "ok" at best. How do the FX hold up now? You decide...
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Were you asking how to make paragraphs?
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Aug 26, 2009 9:06:48 PM CDT
Fox shouldn't be nervous, all of us complainers are seeing it.
by ganymede3010
Opening night. That's a fact. The only beef I have with the movie is the lazy designs of the Navi. Despite that I'm leaving the door open for the actual film to sway my opinion in the other direction. It's Cameron's fault for hyping up the movie so much, along with the first critics it was screened to.
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Whether or not the ABYSS water tentacle holds up after all these years, it WAS truly groundbreaking. It was the first cgi "character" effect of it's kind in the history of film, if I am not mistaken. It was the first step toward making things like JURASSIC PARK possible.
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Aug 26, 2009 9:07:59 PM CDT
OMG! HAVE YOU SEEN THIS COMIC? AUTHOR SAYS NAVI ARE HIS DESIGN!
by the_hypnotoad
I know all of you know about the "DELGO" stuff, but... have you seen THIS brazillian guy claiming he design the NA'VI just the way theu are now back in '97?
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FX are continually evolving/progressing, your point is invalid
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The point is on your head. ; )
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"along with the first critics it was screened to"
How can you deride someone for voicing their honest opinion? I saw the 3D presentation and I was pretty blown away...although, if you notice, I am one of the few people on here on either side of the "debate" who is refraining from hyperbole. Still, "blown away" is definitely how I would describe my reaction to the 3D presentation.
I thought it looked amazing on every level. CGI "acting", 3D, production design...the works. Maybe you don't. Fair enough. But I am not saying you are wrong in your opinion, so how can you say someone else is wrong in theirs? That's why it's called an "opinion" and not a "fact". -
Aug 26, 2009 9:11:37 PM CDT
I mean "He says he design the NA'VI just the way they are now"
by the_hypnotoad
Correcting the Typo...
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Looks like a potential lawsuit to me.
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In comparison to the groundbreaking FX of "Abyss" back then, and "Avatar" right now, what are your thoughts? Equally as good? Better? Obviously today's FX are better, my point is in the context of innovation. We have seen 3D tech and good CGI (Jurassic Park to use your example, District 9, etc...) How does it compare in the format you saw it?
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In all fairness, some things are just a coincidence. For example, I had a comic book published back in 2006--nationally distributed through Diamond--and it featured a bioluminescent jungle just like the one in AVATAR. Now, obviously I was aware that AVATAR was in the works, but I had no idea about the "glow-in-the-dark" jungle until the footage screened at Sand Diego Comic Con last month. Did I rip off Cameron? No. Do I think he ripped me off (or even saw my comic for that matter, lol)? No. Sometimes, cool ideas are just cool ideas, and many people have them.
That said, of course Cameron has been taken to court before--and lost--over violating other people's IP...BUT that was THE OUTER LIMITS, not some indie comic like mine or this Brazilian chap's.
Plus, I don't speak or read Portugese, so I can't make heads or tails of that blog...but how do I know that was ever even published? The lettering looks pretty amateurish...whose to say that isn't a hoax? -
Aug 26, 2009 9:21:00 PM CDT
Actually the stained glass knight from Young Sherlock Holmes...
by d.vader
Was the first CGI "Character" if we're going to split hairs.
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I definitely DO NOT think that any of the CGI--character work OR environments--is going to be as big a leap forward as those early CGI characters like the tentacle, the T100, or the dinos of JP.
What I have said, and stand by, is that the CGI character work that I have seen (to be fair, only 16 minutes' worth) is AMONG the best I have seen. I can't say it's *better* than Gollum, or Davey Jones, or Christopher Johnson, but I think it certainly looks like it might stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them...again *from what I have seen*.
I do think that the environments are the best I have ever seen, though. Is it a huge leap forward? No. Someone above said it perfectly: it is an evolution, not a revolution.
Now, as for the 3D itself...THAT is more of a leap than any of the CGI, but even that I would describe thus:
AVATAR's 3D vs all other 3D = DVD vs. BLURAY
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But wasn't that based around the same technology that movies like TRON and THE LAST STARFIGHTER used? Like polygons or some shit? I am pretty sure the actual computers themselves...the graphics engines or whatever (I am not a computer-phile)...that were used for the ABYSS made different types of shit possible than had ever been possible before. Texture mapping and such.
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Aug 26, 2009 9:36:05 PM CDT
Yeah, I call it "a coincidence" now. But a weird one, though
by the_hypnotoad
The story seems to be as follows:
The author says he and a friend make this comic for a contest in a Brazillian magazine, in July 1997, but they didn't win. That's why it looks so amateurish.
They don't plan "suit" or anything, but just tell a funny story to his friends about it.
But this is the Internet, and I'm sure now It will spread like a fire.
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You who do not admit that Avatar is the greatest movie that has ever been or will ever be are blinded by jealousy. You know that you will never do anything nearly as important with your sad, pathetic life so you pretend not to see what a genius JC is and laugh and make fun. But secretly, deep inside, you know that you are crying. You ache to be closer to JC, to walk in his footsteps and follow his mysterious ways. You are not worthy and you know it.
I am going to drive my mother's car to the 7-11 now and get a microwave burrito and a big gulp - don't be here when I get back. -
Aug 26, 2009 9:41:59 PM CDT
BoE, your joke wasn't funny the firsts THREE times... and...
by the_hypnotoad
... and it's not funny now.
Stick with the "Thundersmurfs Hoo!" group, would ya?
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I saw the 16 minute preview, I know, for myself, for a fucking fact, that it looks FUCKING BRILLIANT and the only thing that remains to be seen is if the Dances with Thundersmurfs story actually brings the good stuff. The technology is revolutionary, I loved it, I had a giant nerd-boner in my seat. All of these talkbacks are awful, this movie has entirely too much hype and kneejerk reactions and misinformation to make for any sort of a coherent or interesting talkback. I don't even know why I'm typing this. Maybe, just maybe, one person who didn't get to see the 3-D Preview, will read and recognize a fellow rational person, and understand that they should ignore the nonsense and just be plain excited to see the movie, knowing it could be good or bad, just like any other, but that it's going to look incredible.
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...when the RAZZIES are announced. Just call me Nostrodamus.
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Aug 26, 2009 9:45:48 PM CDT
The Preview Was Like Nothing I've Ever Experienced!!!
by lesbianna_winterlude
And sex is another thing I've never experienced.
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Stop writing your lies about this brazillian liar who is lying about JC. Avatar is the most important thing to happen to human culture ever in history and you are trying to ruin it with lies! You can't understand JC's great plan for humankind so you laugh and lie and try and ruin it for everyone. Well, I have some news for you - we, the angry nerds, aren't going to let you destroy the future with your message of hate! We will cut through the propaganda to deliver the truth about JC and Avatar and the wise Na'vi!
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Just wanted to throw it out there before anyone else, in case it catches on, which might impress people I will never meet. Then I can say I started something gay on a message board and reap the rewards.
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It's really funny, All you guys discuss what this movie IS, is it animation, that would be shit, is it ohmygodgamechanger, then it would be alright... The only thing i get from this (and especially the 100000000 talkback posts is that simply EVERYBODY will go see this thing. It's apparent that it's gonna be huge.
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Aug 26, 2009 10:16:57 PM CDT
So who started this "Fucking your eyeballs" thing anyways?
by rectalblowout
Wasn't it somebody here like a year ago?
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It could be just me, but what little I have seen of Avatar makes me want to see Tron: Legacy even more, though I doubt that that's the reaction James Cameron expects.
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Lucas, Spielberg, Cameron and Zemeckis, at some point decided. That CG was the answer to all special effects. That they could do less and still deliver the best special effects the world has ever seen! To some extent that's true, but these old directors have abused CG and got carried away with this fairly new technology. In their minds. They're impressing us, just look at that scene in the Avatar trailer, where the Na'vi speaks and says, "This is great" Then smiles. At that point, Cameron expects the audience to say, WOW! LOOK HOW REAL THAT LOOKS!!! You've blown us away! No Cameron. Your ego has made you naive. We've seen too much CG by now to be impressed by that. We know better.
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Aug 26, 2009 10:39:08 PM CDT
I think the fat ginger kid stated "Fuck your eyeballs"...
by madeyemongo
Since he had no idea what "fucking" was till the asian chick volunteered to sacrifice herself to his Hutt-ness, it was just another in a series of his non-sensical sexual references, e.g. "chocolate covered pussy juice". wtf?
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"fat ginger kid" = harry knowles
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Why blue? They don't blend into their surroundings, in fact they kinda stand out. Evolution was asleep on this fucking planet? Or did Cameron just fucking blurt out.."Blue...these MUST be Furry Blue Fuckers"...in order to guarantee the Furry Fetish demo?Predators, and these most certainly are, are never colorful..they always blend into their environment...evolution is an expert at camouflage...Jim must have missed that class.
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After watching the teaser trailer, I've got a sneaky suspicion that this movie is going to end up being a total letdown. It's just a general odd feeling of 'yanno, I think I've probably seen this movie a bunch of times already, oh but this time the CGI is so pretty!' Bleh.
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Aug 26, 2009 11:21:46 PM CDT
Blah Blah Blah prequels suck, Avatar sucks Iron Man 2 sucks
by lockesbrokenleg
blah blah blah
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1) I've never seen or heard of Thundercats
2) I've never seen or heard of Fern Gully
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3d is no more a gimmick than color was. Get some fucking perspective. All of you.
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You'd better go to a different TB then, the TROLLS here are always looking for fresh goats!
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to bitch even more once you do see it. Forewarned is forearmed.
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that does not know what the fuck a Thundercat is! Fuck...where did you grow up, under the rule of the fucking Taliban? I have fucking friends in The Netherlands who know what the fucking Thundercats are! Youtube it baby..Youtube it.
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Summed it all up there. I'll add my own crap anyway, however.
I saw the Imax preview and it was visually stunning. So much so that if the story just isn't there(I want it to be)... I will still enjoy the hell out of being IN that place. And honestly, for the first time, the 3d really felt like that. Immersive. Now, for those of you poo-pooing all over this and hoping for failure. You know what? Be careful what you wish for. For those of you thinking STILL that this is a gimmick, wake up and smell the 3d. This is a gimmick like color and sound was. "DIMENSIONS?? What on earth does anyone want with that crap??
Well, we have these things called eyes. Not unlike the ears you use to listen to 7.1 channels of audio, there are 2 of them. One of them is a little to the side of the other, which allows you to see depth... instead of just hints of depth, clues. You SEE in 3d, which is not exactly a gimmick. Just like sound wasn't... like color wasn't. But we needed time and commitment from the industry to invest in and develop the quality of the experience so that it more closely approximates human dimensional vision. From someone who was there and has seen all OTHER kinds of 3d technology, including crude VR, I can say without any reservation that we have arrived, period. Anyone saying the 3d is not right yet has vision problems. I get it, it'd make me angry, too. But let's not confuse your vision problem with a problem in the current technology. It's as close to perfected as I've seen. The only "next step" really is true 3d, head-tracked VR featuring graphics that don't look like they're being generated by an Amiga. But then that would be a PLACE you visit, not a film experience. This is it for films. This is as immersive as the medium will get. Any more and it demands interactivity. This isn't about going all fanboy hard-on for Cameron, this is about the technology itself and how difficult it is to convey a truly NEW way of experiencing film. It honestly reminds me of how hard it was to convey what VR was after the first time I experienced the real deal. You just have to try it yourself. Or not. And it will either really impress the hell out of you OR you're just not the kind of person who is interested in immersive entertainment. The look of the CG, the character designs, the animation/movement... all of it pales in comparison to the deeply immersive EXPERIENCE of the whole.
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I just realized, that's not a headband she has on her head. It's a pair of hand-made glasses. Take a look at is.
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are groundbreaking or not (and wtf the fuck is wrong with you people, they look bloody good), JC has a track record of making movies that are genuinely huge in scope, that RESONATE, unlike those "look mummy, I can direct big action scenes" arseholes Bay, McG, and yes, even Lucas, so I predict this movie WILL be a big fucking deal. Just wait and see.
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Here are two facts: Nobody shoots an action scene better than James Cameron. Nobody does epic better than James Cameron. This movie is both epic in scale and will have a LOT of action. Bitching about anything else is a waste of time. King Kong in the original KING KONG doesn't look real and it doesn't matter one bit because he looks awesome! But 90+% of AVATAR is going to look real, the few times that your mind thinks "animation" will be few and far between.
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Superman Returns ($270 million)
POTC: At Worlds End ($300 million)
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Like watching that Final Fantasy movie. I had higher hopes from Jim.
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Any idea what the budget is for 2012?
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Ewoks.
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I will love Avatar even if the "story just isn't there". I will love it even if the fx are as bad as the trolls want us to believe. I will love it even if the screen is black and the dialogue consists of two hours of porn moans and grunts. That is how great this movie is! Writing, directing, acting, special effects - none of these things matter - all that matters is that you BELIEVE! All these avatrolls have is their lies and smart alecky word games - we know better. Join me, angry nerds - rise up and defend JC and his magnum opus - AVATAR!!!!!
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A true "game-changer" is when you see a sequence and can't figure out how they did it, just sat there and marveled. When that brachiosaur strolled out in JURASSIC PARK was a notable example. The latest was the first half hour of BENJAMIN BUTTON.
Creating several fully believable human "synthespians" is the final frontier, and no movie (including AVATAR) has done that yet. AVATAR looks like a large-scale version of what we're used to, but it's no game-changer, and it annoys the shit out of some of us that it's being touted as such by this site. Tone the fucking hype down next time. -
. . . and we're possibly gonna get hosed. Should've been more "alien" lookin' aliens and less fantasy dream boyish. I can see why in order to get the human audience to read emotions right, but we got emotions just as easy from R2D2. Plot also is lookin' very thin, transparent and overused.
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Avatar sure fucking can.
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These Navi creatures just look gorgeous! I don't know if this film will be a hit, but I might love it. Hell, maybe alot of us will go nuts over it. :)
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As awesome as the T-Rex paddock scene was and as well as it holds up today it's important to keep in mind that the entire scene takes place at night in the rain. That provides an insane amount of cover for CGI (see "The Two Towers"). Lucas was the first to really have the balls to do CG in full daylight and anyone who's not a rabid prequel hater has to admit that he was at least mostly successful. I've only seen the Avatar trailer so I'll have to withhold judgment on the overall look of the film. I think it looks fine for now but I have yet to see anything mind blowing. Cameron is a cocky dude and always talks up his flicks. If he can make a satisfying sci-fi action flick that makes coherent visual sense (unlike just about everything made the last 4-5 years) he can put all the 1's and 0's up on the screen he wants to.
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It's getting kind of ridiculous because people are only judging this film on it's CGI. It seems like just cause maybe the CGI didn't meet every ones expectations the films shit. Well when I ask you has CGI been 100% life like? The best CGI out there is in live-action films, not mostly CGI films, which Avatar is (which is very impressive). People are bitching about the CGI just cause it's not 100% photo-real, but the style in which the film is works in this context. It is stylized, but it still looks damn good and anyone who really can't see that just has unrealistic expectations. All that matters is that the CGI characters can give real performances, and that they do.
Never before has CGI played as big as a role in determining opinions on a film, so why should now be different? You know, using your imagination isn't such a bad thing. I think if people would stop nitpicking so much and see the film for what it is (A beautiful looking CGI sci-fi/fantasy/action flick by a proven director) they must just enjoy the damn thing.
All I can guarantee is that the experience is immersive like none-other, and you will forget about any animation that's not 100% photo-real. If you don't thats just kinda sad and obsessive. Plus, the 3D, and new tech Cameron used to film this is every bit as revolutionary as he has said. It really is remarkable. -
But if it's anything like what Cameron's created, it must be pretty fucking cool.
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If this even gets released will it be able to showcase the reported technological advancements this fliq supposedly has? And personally I still haven't seen anything besides SW that makes me wanna see this....yet.
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I'm 16 fucking years old and I know them well.
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They're clearly superimposed, don't exist in their environments. Cheap practical effects look better than this cartoon animation. So much for the mind-blowing eyeball-fucking. But remember the slogan: JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS, COMING IN 2009!
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How bored he must have been watching the early footage of the prequels and knowing he had to come up with music for that shit.
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I wish I had the fortitude to leave AICN. Several times in the past I've been almost nauseated by the cretinism and hate to the point where I've made half-hearted attempts to wash my hands of talkback forever. Before long, however, the very same fucktarded combo of venom and stupidity pulls me right back in.
I can't quit you, AICN talkback, you bastion of tasteless, drooling stupidity, home to hordes of the most truly sinister, revolting morons on the internet.
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that wheel to his door day after day thanks to people buying those half hour CD's helped.
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i agree TPM is the best of the prequels, long have i always had this belief. Namely on Daydum Cantactforshitensensensensen. And also the sets were real for a change and Darth maul. Clones was shit from both ends, even the actoin sequence was boring. ROTS was a little better only for Palpatine who i was rooting for the entire time. But even so if i could i'd excize htem all from existence if i could.
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The moment they spoke about the movie having an environmental message and having the best CGI ever, you knew you were gonna get FERNGAYLY / FERNGAYLIENS.
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Why don't you see how your hateful hate talk hurts JC? Why can't you embrace love and giant blue cat things and the environment and 3d and mech suits? Why are you so stupid and ignorant and like cretin people when you talk? Don't you see that love and imax are the only way to peace? How do you not see that?! You avatrolls with your fancy ways! You make me so angry with your smart talk and girlfriends and lies and jobs! You think you are better than the angry nerd force because you have your own apartment and car - well, you are not. Angry nerd force rocks and we are number 1! We are here to carry the message of Avatar and JC to the people and come December, we will show you all!
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Your a tool. Make that an Avatar obsessed tool. Your probably SpyMunk.
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Still obsessing over Avatar are we? James Cameron wins again.
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THE TALKBACKS EITHER NEED TO GO, OR THIS SITE WILL END UP WITH NO CREDIBILITY LEFT - THE TROLLS HAVE TAKEN OVER
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The story and characters were so good, that the CG became part of the word. In other words you forgot the aliens were CG.
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Why don't you come back when your balls drop, k?
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that they keep hitting us over the head with it. It's become CG first, everything second. 2012 for example. Movies have become so synthetic. It's sadly become the standard to use CG and we're sick and tired of it's overuse, and obvious fakery, trying to pass itself as something high standard and amazing. When It's not. It's like watching a Video Game, not that anything is wrong with that. When you want a Video Game you should get just that, but it's like peanut butter in my chocolate. I go see a Movie and I get a Video Game.
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Now that's cool CGI!!
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When the head is closeup, it's really there. I think that's important. The walking shots are CG, and the up close and personal stuff is real. When that thing's snout blows Sam Neil's hat off, you feel it. Spielberg's team brilliantly blended practical and cg effects, and it's much more tangible as a result.
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Fuck yeah, I cannot wait!
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I of course mean it's a puppet that's actually on set with the actors... not a real T-Rex (just to clarify before Lockesbrokendick jumps all over me with "MATTMAN YOO BELEEVE IN DINOSARS!!!??")
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I'd say the best videogames have to offer look great, but still looks like a videogame. I think actually videogames are getting really advanced, but to me personally they serve as a reminder how far movie CGI has come, cause there's really not much of a contest between the two. And the whole idea of a videogame isn't cut scenes, it's the fact that the user gets to play as a character, and advance in gameplay. Since that's a completely different experience then a movie, I really don't see how you can compare them at all beyond graphic similarities. I mean, Christians keep hitting us over the head with God, does that mean we have to believe in him? No sir. I have never gone to a movie and compared the experience to playing a videogame, even with lame CGI.
I do get where your coming from with the over use of CGI, and some instances (I am Legend) it really is a detriment to the movie. However as far as Avatar is concerned, most of it is all CGI, so there's really not much of an issue of it being superimposed in live-action (for the most part) which could result in a more jarring experience. The scene we've seen where Jake wakes up is a mix of the two, but it still doesn't take you out of the movie, as any good CG shouldn't (ex. D9) I firmly believe if you accept the graphics as how the world is intended to be presented, then there really shouldnt be a problem. I mean when you think about it, stop-motion is actually much more jarring than most CGI, yet no one really has an issue with the old classics like Jason and the Argonauts, King Kong etc. Some cinema requires you to suspend belief/ use imagination, but whats wrong with that? There's plenty of non-CGI movies as well to get your fix on, so complaining is rather silly. -
Now, I WILL SAY that perhaps in 3D the CG creatures look entirely different. That said, I don't understand where these claims of "groundbreaking" are coming from...I watched ROTS just earlier today, and had forgotten just how f'n REAL that movie looks....the space battles, droids, creatures...it kinda surprised me, actually, as I'd kinda put that film in the back of my mind. Anyway, so far, Avatar looks ALOT more cartoony than ROTS. Hell, Obi Wan rodeoing the giant iguana chasing Greivous looks more real than anything I've seen from Avatar. (not a Star Wars terrorist, simply an observation)
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Basically what I meant was the way studios are pushing CGI as it's new best thing, or photo-real, does not mean we have to believe it all and hang on to every word as truthful. The same way Christians (or many religions) talk about God is similar in the way that most of it is really just hype. If we as the consumer recognize that, then we might be able to enjoy it for it is. Obviously it's very different, as CG will probably one day be completely photo-real, and the debate over God's existence will never be final. But still, all I'm saying is that all sorts of things get fed to the public, but it doesn't mean they're true. I think that's where a lot of the Avatar backlash stems from.
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If you take a look at the environments and backgrounds in Avatar, especially in the actual footage, it's nearly impossible to tell that it's CG. The scene on the cliff made me swear that they shot on location. Same goes for the lion-type creature that chases Jake around. The look is just undeniably more life-like than anything offered in the SW prequels. It's skin has a shine just looks absolutely real, almost dolphin esque, which I cannot say for the creatures of SW. Case in point, CGI yoda, or the arena creatures. If you want proof...
Star wars; http://tinyurl.com/lnt4uw
Avatar; http://tinyurl.com/lwpm34
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Who cares? So you don't think it's photo-real, fine. Doesn't change the fact that tons of people think it looks great. Why can't you get beyond that and enjoy it for how it looks? Seems pretty shallow.
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Nobody shoots action better than James Cameron. And his screenplays may have the odd corny dialogue but but that's a small price to pay for cinematic astonishment.
Note to Fox: Get "From the director of The Terminator and Aliens" onto the next round of advertising materials - Titanic is NOT remembered fondly! -
The Sigourney shot could work. We'll see. I'm still skeptical, and I DO think this will flop.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg
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also look good to me:
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/imagevideo/cinepics02.jpg
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Jurassic Park's T-Rex paddock scene is set in the night, in the rain, and it looks excellent. It was done for dramatic effect, not to hide the FX. If you remember, the first time a dinosaur is seen in Jurassic Park it is in the daylight (the Brachiosaurus eating leaves from a tree), then there's the brilliant dinosaurs-near-a-lake shot (in daylight) and there's the Gallimimus stampede (in daylight.) All these shots looked great, merged in with REAL backgrounds and intermingled with animatronics. Lucas decided to go fully digital for the Phantom Menace battle scene: everything is CG. And it ends up looking like a scene from a computer game.
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so that I can feel superior to James Cameron
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All he had to say is, I'm working on a film with cutting edge CG and I'm very proud at how it turned out. Hope you like it, but NO. He had to hype the shit out of it. It's photo-realistic! It'll change movies forever! No trailer was going to live up to that. The movie won't either.
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But man, the more I see the sillier this seems. I know I'm not offering anything original here, but it is starting to seem kind of cheap. I really hope Cameron isn't relying on effects in place of story. I know he has a great track record, but I am getting nervous.
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I'm not getting nervous, I am becoming skeptical. Whatever.
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Do you intentionally want people to think "ThusSpakeMySpunk"? Fuckin shit, I always read it that way. Yeah, yeah, latent homosexuality and all that.
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Fun fact: Spoiler alerts are pretty useless when you put the spoilers IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE.
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Whether you liked the trailer or not. It's James Cameron!
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A picture of Sigourney Weaver! Amazing! The surprises just keep coming!
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Notice how there is a lot of variation in saturation/hue/texture. It's not 100% SOLID blue, it's not super saturated and the variation pops out at you, unlike the Na'vi who have totally unnatural looking, highly saturated BRIGHT, cartoony skin. There is a lot of variation of color on the Na'vi but it's not distict enough, and it's way too saturated. I also really dislike the dominant tone of blue overall, it almost looks turqoise. Bleh.
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this flick has Star Trek syndrome, except it's the year 2009. No excuses.
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but maybe CGI just isn’t the way to go. I think any director should use special effects only as a means to an end, i.e. to create an as realistic as possible fantasy world. The superfluous use of CGI does exactly the opposite, it may impress some but most of the time it distracts. Just look at the original SW movies compared to the prequels: they were made 25 years earlier but they still look better, because most of the time they used actual sets! Sure I liked T2 like everyone but does the T1000 look convincing to you nowadays? Would Aliens have been as cool with CGI aliens, even using current technology?
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I have no idea what Avatar is other than for the last year some douche bag has been posting that it would be fucking my eyeballs. This looks like a cut-scene from a late 90's video game.
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..because im pumped for that flick. All he said was "..looks like Shrek"..f*n idiot.
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The actors, I mean; I guess they're all just wearing one o' them space aged polymer super suits where by moviemaking magicians can put the compooter graphix over they facebodies?
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I can just see all the pr0n now. Its like a new venue for furries to explore their reproductive organs. Hairless furries! I bet at least half the guys on this site have already rubbed one out to at least one of those pictures.
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Aug 27, 2009 7:56:13 AM CDT
Moratorium On "It Looks Like A Videogame" Being Pejorative
by laserpants
Um, in case you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years, videogames no longer look like Atari 2600 and, in some cases, feature awesome, immersive, stories that easily outrank about 99% of the trash that comes out of Whoreywood. So, do, please, lets put that one to rest? It literally makes no sense anymore.
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Cameron never said any of those things. He actually tried to talk DOWN the hype a few months ago. It's everyone else trying to sell the shit out of the film and also 3D that have been hyping it up.
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It just looks like a huge Re-Boot cartoon. I hate, hate the "look" of this thing.
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How dare CG attempt something a little pizzaz. No no,we must only have gritty CG with a low-saturation colour palette. Cant have any fun now. Christ.
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because I've never seen a blue cat before and, to be honest with you, I wanted to see a blue cat
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I don't know, looks kind of silly
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....I agree. That link to the 'clothed avatars in jungle' shot does indeed look kinda silly unfortunately. But then I reckon the whole design of the 'hybrid half-human' avatars are badly conceived compared to the actual 'NA'VI' aliens (who I'd have rather seen as being MORE 'beastial'-looking), and that the large 'elf' EARS, and WIDE NOSES, and maybe even the large 'cat' EYES, should have been kept for the 'NA'VI' only! It'll depend on how 'charming' some of the early scenes pan out, which will dictate how laughable this looks by the time we get to that particular shot....
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Don't you leave! Not now...not yet. There are so few of us left...
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Bullshit.They appear to be running the prequels on cable this week and ROTS was on last night. Much like TPM, I tried watching about 10 minutes of it. There is nothing "REAL" about the CGI in that film. NOTHING. In fact, very little of it looks any better than the CGI in TPM.(Don't get me wrong - the CGI in the prequels is impressive but it's not photorealistic and better effects have come down the pike.)
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Someone on a previous TB posted several quotes, which I believe included the "game changer" quote which they've been damage controlling since the trailer hit and garnered mixed reactions even from the most hardcore of fans (I thought it looked awesome, totally cool, but its really nothing we haven't seen before; of course, IMAX 3D presentation may blow us all away, but, that remains to be seen) but here's one I just found:"Every once in a while, as we are absorbed in some intensely detailed discussion about sub-surface scattering or the way a tail is moving in the animation, I’ll just stop and have this moment of clarity, as if seeing it for the first time. And I realize that’s what the lunar astronauts must have felt like. They’d be in the middle of some complex set of procedures and they’d look out the window and go “Oh, yeah. That’s the frickin’ moon!” It feels like that."He thinks his film is as important and dramatic and awesome as the first lunar landing? Really? Cmon.
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....i'll be there to watch it. I can barely sit for 20 mins watching headache inducing 3D. not to mention having my periphial vision full of awful 3D glasses. It's like watching a film with tunnel vision. Bring on the epic movie, but please allow those of us not blinded by the '3D' fad to enjoy the film for what it is...
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While Cameron has been known to flap his mouth, I think that's a little bit of a misrepresentation of what he said. He's not saying that the film is as "important and dramatic" as landing on the moon. He's describing the complexities of the process and what it feels like to take a step back and actually look out the proverbial window to see the results.As for the "game changer" thing, I've always understood it to mean that it was the technology developed for this film. That's why so many other big name directors have salivated over his camera systems/stereo mo-cap monitors and so forth. It will change the way people view, shoot, and direct their films.
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"He thinks his film is as important and dramatic and awesome as the first lunar landing?"
Um, no. He doesn't. He's talking about a moment of revelation, when you're so caught up in the details of something then you take a step back and realise what you're actually doing. Cameron isn't implying his film is the equivalent of landing on the moon, simply using it as a metaphor for a moment during production when you have a moment of clarity. -
Force of habit, I suppose. I may just have to stay out of these Avatar threads, they do seem to fray my last nerve. 'Preciate the sentiment, though, from one talkback Numenorean to another.
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Although I do think the CG in the first two prequels does look questionable, I stand by my statements on ROTS. I had not seen the film in some time, and was a little taken aback at how good most of it looked. I have not had this experience with anything I've seen from Avatar in motion. Yet.
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Good to see you're hanging in there.
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and I dont think I will be wasting my money or time seeing it.
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No problem. And I hear ya on these AVATAR threads; I guess I underestimated the level of "discussion" that would be taking place. I didn't think we'd see this type of insanity until another LOTR/HOBBIT thread came around. But it just goes to show that when a big-time director tries to make an innovation in film, the cynics tend to come out in droves and drive the online ship in a negative direction.I plan on avoiding any serious discussion of the plot and any other spoiler-type details as I don't want my experience of this film to be tarnished. I recently came to the realization that AICN has influenced the way I experience films and it hasn't always been for the better.
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Fair enough.
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Maybe I'm misreading it, but Cameron definitely is an egotistical blowhard, and he did flap his gums mightily on this picture. It does look really friggin' cool, I'm just not seeing anything I haven't already seen before. It looks about on par, efxwise, with the Star Wars prequels, LOTR, The Matrix, King Kong, etc. I wouldn't call that necessarily a bad thing, though; as long as the story is there, it'll be awesome. Ultimately, though, this movie will live or die on the story and characters, not the efx. It could very well turn out to be the sci-fi movie of the decade. I'm certainly open to that possibility; but its not he efx that are gonna make me feel that, its the story and characters. I'm sure most of you feel the same way.
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Would make this movie epic.
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To the people that say the CG is obvious: it's not because the work is bad, it's because modern audiences are savvy enough to know when something isn't possible to achieve physically and thus has to be CG. So you're reaction is to say the CG is bad when in point of fact the CG is amazing. All of your hate is is psychobabble bullshit. Anybody with more than two synapses firing in their brain who looks at those Empire scans in addition to having seen the IMAX footage and still says it looks bad is hateful and intentionally sabotaging their own appreciation of the movie because it's cool to be a fanboy and hate on shit.
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"...All he had to say is, I'm working on a film with cutting edge CG and I'm very proud at how it turned out. Hope you like it, but NO. He had to hype the shit out of it. It's photo-realistic! It'll change movies forever! No trailer was going to live up to that. The movie won't either...."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPyipuT-Jg&feature=player_embedded
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Every daylight CG dinosaur in Jurassic Park looks dated now. The lighting is off, the animation is stiff. My god when I watch that scene with the brachiosaurus in the bright sunlight it just looks bad these 17 years later. But the movie is good so all is forgiven. It will be the same with Avatar except Avatar has truly next generation CG.
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Aug 27, 2009 10:25:48 AM CDT
Gee, what are the odds it won't live up to the "eyeball fucking"
by jawsfan
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This movie will live or die on the strength of its story and characters.
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but Sam Worthington's Avatar looks terrible and silly, in every pic he looks cross-eyed and Downs Syndromey.
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The cg may be unbelievable, but I just can't get past the character designs.
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No, Worthington's avatar looks every bit as good as Saldana's. In fact when you look closely there's actually more detail on him. And cross-eyed? So the fact that in that one shot he's looking directly at the "camera" means he's cross-eyed? You just can't please some people. Oh wait, you can! Just through a gray filter over everything and add some grit and grime and it's automatically the best shit ever!
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Thanks for sharing, Kwiz! It's fuckin' hilarious! He's a tiny url version of the link:
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they already have the sci-fi audience by default, it's the teenage girl segment they need to bring in.
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It does not bode well for humanity that people are freaked out by the alien designs for a freakin' movie. When we actually encounter a real alien species they'll stop by to say hello and we'll all be repulsed and confused because they don't look remotely human and try to kill them all then they will blow up our planet.
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http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/pete1.jpg
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If anything, I think they don't look alien enough.
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Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that we've seen and not been 'freaked out' by hundreds of movie aliens that looked waaaay freakier than the Na'vi, 2 of which have appeared in Cameron's own films. When we someday meet a real Alien species, perhaps we will be 'freaked out' if they look like cartoon images of living beings, rather than living beings.
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1, they don't look alien at all. They look like Rebecca Romjin Samos in make up ten years ago. I'm not saying that as a bad thing, just a stupid thing, that can be done a lot cheaper.
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If we ever meet an alien species, and they looked exactly like us except they had blue skin, a slightly wider nose and a touch of Downs, I actually would be pretty freaked out. I'd want some answers on the subject of these sneaky shifty aliens bogarting our DNA...
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I hate cats, cats are dumb and anything that looks like them is also dumb. When I'm at a friend's house and I see their cat I think "OMG, look at that that freaky nose and those ears, that doesn't look real. I hope I never see aliens in a movie that faintly resemble these crazy critters because that would just automatically look dumb. Fuckin' cats man! Fuckin' goofy lookin' fuckers." Let's just paint a bunch a bunch of people black and put some bones on their foreheads. Or Put points on their ears, or a few wrinkles of skin on their noses. Or better yet let's make an alien race that is totally indistinguishable from humans but they're still aliens! Ohhhh! Those are all wayyyy better alien designs than cats.
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YAYYY!!!!
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they look like drawings of the blue man group. Like cartoons of inbred people painted blue people, with slightly misplaced eyes. I'm no hater, I'm looking forward to it, but saying people don't like it, because they're too alien is stupid.
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NO reason the Na'Vi couldn't be done with make up and practical SFX.
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The talkbacks aren't entirely useless, because on a different one a talkbacker educated me that you have to oversaturate for 3D because the glasses desaturate. So that maybe defends Cameron's design choices a little: he had to make it cartoony, to make sure that people watching in 3D would see the final result he wanted to achieve. Of course, this unfortunately means that when we watch it in 2D and complain that it's cartoony, we're RIGHT. It IS oversaturated and it IS too clear and sheeny and the depth of field IS messed up. They are subjecting us to this for the benefit of the 3D audience.
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Gonna be on Dollhouse.
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http://tinyurl.com/33hxgo
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Since you get PAID to do this job, please for the love of GOD EDIT your work before posting .. . I expect to see this kind of typing in WORLD OF WARCRAFT, not on a professional movie site . .
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Good moment to remember the Uruk Hai coming out of their birthing pits.
ABSOLUTELY NO reason the Navi couldn't be done with practical effects. And be done better.
It would have been easy to use digital or even practical trickery to make them taller than the human characters in shot. Fuck it, you could have strapped some of those cool little stilts on their ankles and hidden it under a prosthetic to give them a 'hoof'. Would've cost about $120 bucks.
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Aug 27, 2009 12:01:47 PM CDT
I still want a good explanation for all the DELGO overlap.
by fluffyunbound
Some guy tried on the other thread, by saying essentially, "It doesn't look like Delgo. Those side-by-side images posted online don't really exist. There is a 2 micrometer difference in the snouts of the flying reptiles, so these images are completely different." And that doesn't cut it. Somebody actually explain this to me.
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Right... cos there's no comparison between DELGO and AVATAR... LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYES MOTHERFUCKERS!!!
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I was worried people would've moved onto something else.
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The word on the street is that you can do a similar side-by-side comparison with AGNES OF GOD.Serious.
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The nearest IMAX near me is the god-awful planetarium dome that gave me a full day migraine after STAR TREK. I'm never doing THAT again. The nearest after that is an hour away in Manhattan.
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that link does not work
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in the 1950's theaters started showing movies in 3-d to try to get people to come back to the theaters. tv was becoming very popular and theater attendance was declining. same situation is going on today. and i don't know about you, but 3-d gives me a headache. so does imax for that matter. so, seeing a movie in 3-d on imax is about the last thing i want to spend $15 dollars on. ha, paying $15 to be given a headache. so, imax + 3-d + blue cartoon cats = lame-ass. James Cameron can do no wrong because of his past track record? do you remember a guy named George Lucas? remember his track record before star war I-III?
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DELGO vs AVATAR link does work, just remove any spaces between characters:
http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo.php
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Lucas' track record before the prequels included Howard The DUck.
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Both the dome theater (correction: aviation dome on Long Island, not planetarium) and 3-D have caused me headaches, not to mention having to wear the stupid looking goggles over my regular glasses, which is highly uncomfortable. IMAX 3-D is a non-starter for me as well.
Everybody that I went with to see STAR TREK at the dome theater swore off IMAX as well. We were all popping Advils for the rest of the day. -
You might think it is lame, and you are welcome to your opinion, of course, but you just hit the nail on the head: that is exactly why studios are trying to up the "spectacle" in their big movies...it is an effort to get peopl to go to the theatre and not just wait for the dvd/bolotleg/torrent, etc. Similar to the introduction of Cinemascope and how it helped the movies to provide something that was literally too big for tv to contain. But it is no secret: that is exactly what they are doing, and why they are doing it.
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For instance; Would you fuck a 12ft tall, furry, blue girl who had a tail?
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'SEE THE TRUTH BIG JIM WANTED HIDDEN'*
*allegedly. Actually I can't back that up with any kind of fact! However it does seem that the makers of DELGO are looking into suing for plaigarism. Things just going from bad to worse for AVATAR.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/aug/26/avatar-delgo-james-cameron -
The eyes of the aliens all look too cartoony. This whole movie is one big (yawn). I'm looking forward to seeing them fall FAR short of their ridiculous budget. Maybe then we'll get back to story and leave these overwrought blockbusters in the garbage bin. I'm beyond even humoring Cameron for this silly, cheesy, fantasy-fest.
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true. but didnt he just produce howard the duck? and there was willow (which he for sure only produced). but, you see my point? past track record is not a guarantee of future success.
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i used to laugh at the delgo / avatar comparisons. now i'm not so sure. there are a lot of similarities. but, there are a lot of similarities to a lot of other sci/fi fantasy too. it could just be that Camerons story is very generic and unoriginal. i feel like you could add the Gungans into the comarison mix too.
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It just makes me laugh when people can't handle Imax movies. But, they play X Box all day.
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http://tinyurl.com/lsjdus
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Aug 27, 2009 1:33:28 PM CDT
It wouldn't be a cameron movie if he didn't get sued
by david cloverfield
My hopes went up for this. His stolen work is awesome.
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I don't own an Xbox.
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I just read the synopsis, and it didn't sound very much like what Avatar is about. I think it's just a coincidence and the fact that most of the fantasy elements being employed -- big eyed aliens, floating rock lands, super pterodactyls, magical forests, space war, et al -- have all been used before. Seems to me that the mystical spirit thingee of the Na'vi bare more of a textual similarity to those little wood sprite things from Princess Mononoke.
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I gotcha, I'm just saying that Lucas had a track record of being involved with some stinkers before we ever got to Episodes I-III. There were already questionable elements in his oeuvre.
The story elements of Avatar could very well be lacking (the story was my big issue with Titanic- the technical aspects were pretty fucking impressive), but I won't know until the movie is actually out. I'm not basing my opinion on stills or clips I saw that were out of context of the bigger movie. -
We know you'll be seeing it on opening day.
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I'm assuming most of you have already seen this, but it's hilarious. I've never even heard of it before seeing that Hitler Hates Avatar thingee. Check it out:
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You should demand your money back! Oh, wait... -
that they're finally getting some publicity,
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Quote: "... everything I have seen so far has been pure shit."But you're still hoping that it will be good. Sorry but that's funny.
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http://www.foxstore.com/detail.php?item=6466
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...and the international Delgo rights to make sure the Delgo guys wouldn't sue when Avatar came out.
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http://www.newsinfilm.com/?p=22220 The 3rd image, of Evil Colonel Scar, is actually damn impressive. Now THAT makes me say, "Wow, they created a CGI character that tricks me into thinking it's real."
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and I loved Watchmen. If this makes over $200 million, I will come onto a prominent AICN talkback and eat crow - in a big way. See you in December.
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That's domestic boxoffice. Just so we're on the same page.
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fair enough. Using the criteria used in the link Cobra-Kai posted, I would submit that they BOTH ripped off the animated Heavy Metal movie.
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I don't think it's in doubt that it will make more than that. The question is breaking 300 million. I bet it will, but I'm not certain.
Don't make the mistake of thinking normal people share opinions with talkbackers. The reactions on this site are full of emotional bluster.
Besides, part of the money sunk into Avatar was a loss-leader to get 3d cinema established. It's kind of like Sony losing money on the PS3, in order to get BluRay out there. -
I predict 2 billions. Yes bigger than Titanic. Over a course of two years, as this will NOT leave 3D theaters and will play full house for weeks and weeks, while 2D places will, indeed, make less than 200 millions over three months.
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Better start doing some jaw exercises then, cause come the end of December, you're going to be doing some heavy duty mastication!
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i hope you are joking. there is no way in hell that this movie will make more than titanic. the reason? girls/women will, generally speaking, have zero interest in this movie.
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If not, I'm taking credit for that and expect royalties.
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OMG the character in Delgo hug AND SO DO THE ONES IN AVATAR!!!!Seriously how retarded do you want to get?
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Of course the CGI 'looked better' its about the fucking characterization...in Empire he's a whimsical entertaining character, in the prequels he's a humorless ponderous bore...nothing to do with whether he had a hand up his ass or was a wireframe..
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I give you the credit gavdiggity.
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I don't see it. Like others have said, that would require women and young girls to attend, and from what I've heard from female friends after seeing the trailer in front of Inglorious Bastards or D9: zero female interest in AVATAR.
If I were Fox, I'd go about trying to bypass the geek crowd who have already written this off, and women, and go directly to little kids. This has 'Saturday morning action cartoon' written all over it. Market this to the Nickelodeon set. -
for people who think this movie is the second coming of christ?
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yep, market it to younger kids. the young kids love phantom menace and jar jar.
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but avatar has the stink of phantom menace all over it...
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Or looked more "real?" Actually he 'started' out as a humorless ponderous bore and became a whimsical entertaining character! In 'real' time he was first CG and graduated to a Muppet in his "old age."
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Nonsense. Lucas is a terrible director, Cameron isn't. Saying the two are comparable means that you are saying all that matters in a movie is the quality of the special effects.
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I would, market it to little kids, that is. When kids want to see it, they'll obviously need to drag an older parent (know matter how much they'll hate going) to a 3D showing which equals---an extra adult 3D ticket.
If I were in Fox marketing, I'd be taking out ad space all over Nick and Saturday morning network shows; putting out an Avatar cereal box; and releasing, prior to release of the movie, an Avatar video game on the Wii, and other Nintendo systems targeted to tykes. Also, release an Avatar 'special edition' comic book that will be given away with Happy Meals.
Damn, I'm good. Hey, Fox Marketing Department: are you guys hiring??? -
--THAT is some funny shit---
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Just saying, in case you guys think I'm grammar handicapped. Hey, I've read my Strunk & White all throughout college writing classes.
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Made shit loads of money. So even if it's an artistic failure it hardly gonna kill Camerons career.
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Kids hate Captain Planet. They did go through a Power Rangers phase though. I'd be selling this to 8 year olds as Big Blue Cat Action Warriors.
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Any new live blogs? Last one I 'saw' was Komodo vs Cobra!
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"AVATARD" was effectively coined by Devin Faraci over at CHUD. Not surprising then that he is sort of hoping that this movie will fail even though he won't admit it outright. (Kind of like how he just couldn't bring himself to admit that he really liked TDK.)
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Not only is the story of Delgo absolutely nothing like Avatar, and hardly original in itself, but the Avatar treatment, which vividly describes the world and story, was registered in 1995. Nice try - a 2008 animation trying to claim it's the inspiration for a movie that was written 14 years ago.The haters are so desperate for this movie to fail, but they can stamp their little feet all they want. Avatar is going to be huge, influential, and very popular, and that right there is the truth.
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What's up with you and MM? Do you 'really' care"who" he used to be?
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what makes cameron a great director? the goos films that he made 10-15 years ago? lucas had a similar amount of time out of action...
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phantom menace is the movie that made fans turn against lucas. before that he had a good track record. cameron could easily follow that same path. and you made my point for me. this movie feels like it "all about special effects"
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Got a few recorded that I aim to do, 'Supergator' and 'Carnivourous'. Not today though.
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....look forward to them.
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Lucas directed only three features before EPISODE I in 1999: THX 1138, AMERICAN GRAFFITI, and STAR WARS: EPISODE IV.
Cameron has directed seven. -
all great movies...
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the point is that, lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all when he made phantom menace. cameron seems to be going down the same path with avatar.
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terminator 2 sucked. i hate child side-kicks in action movies. bleck! "shine on, bro" "asta la vista, dude!" fucking horrible. and by the way, true lies was not that great either. unless you like hermaphrodites of course.
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"the point is that, lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all when he made phantom menace. cameron seems to be going down the same path with avatar.
I couldn't agree more with the first sentence. But the thing is, you are judging PHANTOM MENACE based on having seen the actual film...while you are judging AVATAR based only on the trailer. Did you think that "lucas's fuck up was thinking that special effects were the end all be all" when you first saw the PHANTOM MENACE trailer? Of course not...because you had no idea what the story would be like until you saw the movie, and like you said, Lucas did have a good track record (as does Cameron). Just because Lucas blew it, does that mean you can't give Cameron the same benefit of the doubt you gave to Lucas? Why not wait and judge the film when you have actually seen it. I know that sounds insane to a lot of people on here, but, personally, I don't decide whether or not a movie sucks until I have, you know, SEEN the movie... -
"terminator 2 sucked. i hate child side-kicks in action movies. bleck! "shine on, bro" "asta la vista, dude!" fucking horrible. and by the way, true lies was not that great either."
Right then. I'll talk to everyone after the movie is out! Carry on! -
jaime lee cutis's gender is debatable
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just my opinion, like every single other poster on this talkback.
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p.s. i was a lot more excited by the phantom menace trailer because it actually was a game changer. i'm not excited by the avatar trailer because i've seen that all before in the star wars trailers/movies.
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...T2 was bad. Terrible acting and absolutely horrid dialogue makes this the most overrated movie of all time, IMO.
It was great when I was 20. Watching it critically as a more mature adult, it failed to deliever. -
yeah, talkbackers on this sight love to slam everything, but for some reason T2 is regarded as a great film. to me it was a big budget, hollywood, pg-13, bastardization of T1.
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...was SO last season.
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If T2 sucks, then so does A New Hope.
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You all know how much and why for art I fucking hate T2 -- imho, its a family friendly dumbed down follow up to a VASTLY superior (though dated) original (IMHO, ok? IMHO, so relax).But even if I thought T2 was the greatest scifi movie of the past 20 years, NO FUCKING WAY is it better, or more awesome, or more important, or even close to being in the same league as A New Hope. Not. Even. Close.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Howdy. I don't really know what's going on with MM. Over the past few months, he's gone off on some strange tirades that have brought a lot of hilarious ribbing from various Talkbackers. However, this whole bit where he claims that he and I used to be Talkback "buddies" when he posted under another name is something he pulled out of the blue. Considering the number of Talkbackers I've crossed paths with, I don't really have any way of knowing what the hell he's talking about because he doesn't remind me of anyone in particular. The fact that he keeps dangling it in front of my face like a carrot is just silly and immature. WTF.So, do I really care? No, not really. But I wouldn't mind if it helped figure out his rather bizarre angle.
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I notice how it's the same 5-10 talkbackers that keep reiterating the same shit over and over. But you know your all gonna be in the theater watching this movie, having a great time.
It's honestly funny how wrong some of you people are, and I know this from what I've seen in the preview. The CG is beyond impressive, and more than just that the action scenes were exciting, tense, well-shot and very loud. The facial animation on the Na'vi is stunning. Any quick read around the web beyond AICN consists of peoples responses ranging from "impressed", to "life-changing". You think these people just lie for the fuck of it?
You people keep saying the same shit over and over, and honestly, why don't you just wait for the movie. You've already convinced yourself of so much based on so little. You said it yourself...Phantom Menace trailer = great, Phantom Menace movie = shit. Never has any other movie been this scrutinized, but really that just goes to show how goddamn popular this movie really is. If you people genuinely think this thing won't make a shit ton of money, then you are seriously delusional. I'm gonna laugh so hard when this thing is a monster hit.
Oh and George Lucas did not direct the best Star Wars film. In fact all of his best work he has not directed. So really no comparison. You claim to be movie geeks, so have some fucking faith in James Cameron, the man responsible for most of your affairs with sci-fi cinema. Respect you fuckers. -
you are in severe danger of falling off the wagon. It was all going so well, wasn't it? Keep....Wobodaddy...at bay.Fuck all T2 hate. It was great then; it's still great now. Best action movie of all time along with Aliens, Die Hard, and Woo's The Killer.And fuck you for denigrating True Lies because Jamie Lee once had a dick (purportedly). You'd all tap that; don't lie.
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Aug 27, 2009 8:50:30 PM CDT
Now Terminator 1 on the other hand is a fine film
by takingscorpioscalls
Was even shown on TCM numerous times. You'll never see tripe like T2 on there.
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...like I walk on water. I'm so over and above you revisionist nerds.
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There's logic for you! You've convinced me.
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TCM aired Herbie goes to Monte Carlo. So, being on TCM means nothing.
My simple point about A New Hope is...if I wanted to, I could say a lot of the acting and dialogue in Episode IV is pretty silly and juvenile, and some of the pacing and plotting is amateurish as well. However, that doesn't take away from everything else it accomplishes. -
Once you go blue, you never go back
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continue with this "color moving pictures are a fad" rumpus, I may lose my composure, climb aboard a conveyance and challenge you to a jolly round of fisticuffs. Go back to your penny arcades and handcranks you 18th century luddites.
I personally think this Avatar moving picture could be a pip, a real pip. -
Jeezus. He can't even get a lamer than hell joke right.
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Aug 27, 2009 10:38:14 PM CDT
I ALWAYS Hated T2, And I Had To Respond To That LUDICROUS Claim
by laserpants
Nothing revisionist about MY OPINION -- I hated it then and I still hate it (for reasons I've gone on about at length -- none of which were ever refuted by anyone here, but glossed over and shouted down with a borderline disturbing religious fervor). But, T2 in league with A New Hope??? INSANE. Pure insanity. I had to speak to that. That's like saying Rambo is in league with Apocalypse Now. Love it all you want, but put it into the proper perspective. It's a ridiculous, childish movie. Star Wars is a children's movie too, true, but I thought Terminator was supposed to be gritty and bad ass? Twernt nothin' even remotely gritty or bad ass about T2. And before you get the pitchforks and torches, remember its just MY OPINION, and it's JUST A FUCKING MOVIE. Okay? I get it: most of you didn't seem to mind the Terminator being turned into a family friendly father figure action comedy. It bugged me. Okay? I liked T3 more soley because they just said fuck it and made a disposable campy action epic that KNEW IT WAS A DISPOSABLE CAMPY ACTION EPIC, not rife with delusions of granduer and gravitas AND featuring an ending taken from Old Yellar.Now, remember, this is just MY OPINION about A MOVIE. Not an attack on your Homeland, not a rape of thine sister, but AN OPINION ABOUT A MOVIE.Thanks in advance for realizing that its JUST A FUCKING MOVIE and not to get so bent out of shape about it.
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Do you understand?! And I drink your water! EVERYDAY!
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The 15 minute 3D screenings have hardly blown anyone anyway. Roger Ebert, who gives everything 4 stars these days said he was unimpressed. We know the CGI looks silly, but so what...everyone is just waiting for the 3D, which apparently isn't that different from Beowulf. I love Cameron's films, but this looks like a damn videogame.
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Then late 80's TSR can sue Cameron.
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node32774 ?JeffAlbertson ?
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BSG is over.
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I just left Von's and they needed a clean-up on Aisle 3.
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...you notice the effects. I was tuned out of Episode I by the time Jar Jar came on screen and could do nothing but notice how computer generated he looked. If Avatar sucks you in with the script the gripes might just disappear...at least upon the first viewing.
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Here's the deal with A New Hope: Some movies you love despite their flaws but A New Hope is a movie I love because of its flaws. Hopefully Avatar is the same.
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Why were you all fucking surprised when he showed up? Fuck, it was all Lucas could talk about for months before TPM came out.
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But I also knew Gollum was CG and didn't notice like I did Jar Jar because I was into the story.
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Because in the first one, they got away with using a real person. In the sequel, however, he took a lot of screen time away from the other characters, and you knew he was the big showcase.
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Someone didn't attend the same previews as the others... 60% women... "from the director of Titanic" = 500 millions dollars domestic guarantee.
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I'm just wondering.
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I'm uber-cautiously semi-optimistic.
I am much, much more concerned with this paper-thin story than I am with the effects, though if I had my choice, I'd prefer it to be live-action.
I'm just not giving a free pass to the man, who IMO, hasn't made a good movie(bar True Lies, which was no classic, just fun) since the second act of The Abyss.
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First ticket sold online with the movie still four months away. Broke yet another record... after shattering Apple's trailer record of course. This is no doubt gonna be huge.
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I suggest reading some more reports from Avatar day. Your consensus of it is way off. Have a read about it why dont you..
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IT SAGS AFTER BRIGMAN SAVES HIS WIFE -- CAMERON LOST FEET (NO PUN INTENDED) ON THAT MOVIE. HE REGAINED IT BY THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT...
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waaaaaaaaaaaaah dont leave me robodaddy!!!!!!
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Aug 28, 2009 2:34:54 AM CDT
And if someone comes on to you with an attitude you say "eat me.
by takingscorpioscalls
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Aug 28, 2009 2:35:27 AM CDT
And if you want to shine them on it's hasta la vista baby.
by takingscorpioscalls
;) SHINE EM ON
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I shit you not, look it up in the imdb quotes section.
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I'm not sure if this one was said but fuck it might as well been in there too.
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During that scene where they're resuscitating Mastrantonio and Harris gives up..."She's dead, Bud." But then Harris lets out this holler and they go at it again and it works...
'Cause everybody knows ex-wives are like the starter on a Dodge truck...just gotta keep crankin' 'er, boy. She'll start. Maybe she's flooded? Oh yeah, she was, wasn't she! Jest let her set a spell, then... -
So many people love The Abyss but I apear to be in the minority that find it unintentionally hilarious and impotent. Michael Biehn and Ed Harris over act like mad in this film; the aliens aren't really that interesting...and the action sequences (while decent) lead to preposterous conclusions that defy logic. I still find it among Cameron's worst (but it's better than True Lies which..for those who worship it, does NOT stand up well to repeat viewings).
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This is why I read AICN.
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kudos to avatarmoviezone.com:
http://tinyurl.com/nhk2mh
damn Rodriguez is hot.Come on aicn post them. -
Who are these people who think T2 is a bad movie, just because it contains some family dynamics and sentimentality? Really, guys? When I first read it, I disagreed with him, but now I'm thinking that Moriarty was right in his rant about fanboys only wanting grim and dark and gritty in their science fiction.
Hey, I likes me some grim and dark when appropriate, like Nolan's Batman movies, but sometimes you need to inject some levity and wit in your stories. I bet you guys also hated the humor in Iron Man. -
Ominus, thx for the link dude... but those new pics still look cartoony as fuck.
And 'Rodriguez is hot' if by that you mean sweaty, then yeah. -
Thanks for the Hitler link. Those never seem to get old, and that one certainly was relevant for me.
I'll give the movie a try, but I think the aliens look cartoonish and remind me of everything I dislike in certain alien designs. With that said, I actually don't dislike Worthington and liked him in Terminator Salvation. However, if it becomes Dances and Wolves, like has been beat like a dead horse in these TBs already, fuck this movie.
No fucking of eyeballs for me, though. Book of Eli did it much quicker than Avatar did, even if Denzel looks like Lucas Simms' human counterpart. I still can't get that post-apocalyptic jizz out of my one eye. -
With CGI. Lots of CGI.
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I happen to think T1 is better, but to each his own. But in fairness to the haters, some people just don't like movies built around 12 year old boys. Is T2 a "movie ruined by kid sidekick" movie? No, it's not. But I see where the haters are coming from. Personally, I think the tension from scene to scene in T2 is so brilliantly maintained that they could have put Jake Lloyd in that film and it still would have worked. // BTW, to TurdontheRun, DELGO was in production back in 1999. They also had a "gimmick" of posting all of their artwork and animation work online a scene at a time as it was done. They called it "digital dailies". So it's a bit silly to point to the much-delayed 2008 release date of that film and use that as evidence that there's no basis to comparing the two. Personally, I think the question of whether or not Cameron actively stole from DELGO is pointless. The important thing to keep in mind is that another movie marketed itself using much of the same imagery used by Cameron and the world said, "That is super Liberace gay and I ain't gonna go see that." Maybe it's wise of Fox to try to get as many people as possible to prebuy tickets four months out before too much of the imagery of this film gets out there and makes people conclude that the film is as lame as DELGO.
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cameron is the new lucas! i love how on the trailer the first line of text says "from the director of titanic" hahha. people look at camerons past work through rose colored glasses. really look at his filmography and there are a lot of real turds there. abyss also sucked btw. "you never walked away from anything in your life now fight!!!!" gay.
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I suspect this site will kiss Zombie's ass any day now.
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I have no problem with light scifi, but when the first movie sets the standard of near horror levels of grimness you have to follow up on that. Or it's just a case of blue balls. Don't even show me your grim cooch and then close your legs you bitch!
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when he said his hope died when the gay blue guy was all in awe of the floating glowing fairy things...
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WHAT A STUPID THING TO SAY, THE FIRST STAR WARS WAS CRAP, THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED IT WAS THE SFX AND IT WAS NOT LUCAS WORK. ALL THE STUFF IN BETWEEN IS CRAP, NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE STUFF IN EPISODE 1. CAMERON HOWEVER IS A PURE FILMMAKERS, SO FUCK YOU, I'M GOING TO SEE AVATAR
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IT WOULD BE DESTROYED BY THE TALKBACKERS AND REVILED AS PURE CRAP (WHICH SAYS MORE ABOUT THE TB THAN THE AWESOMENESS OF THE MOVIE)
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Aug 29, 2009 9:41:42 AM CDT
The Problem with Avatar is not the Rendering of the CGI...
by sidepocket
The problem is the basic one that seperates the pros from the hacks.
Pop in a Pixar movie. Watch them talk abut their films. Rendering, lighting, particle effects...all of that talk takes up about 30 seconds to 1 minute of them talking about making the film. And they make nothing BUT CGI for their films.
So what do they talk about all the time...DESIGN! Design! Design! Fucking Design! All the pros know from 2D animation, claymation and anamatronics is design! If the design is off or fails, all your work fails. So no, besides the mechs, the CGI is really good. The textures, most of the animation, lighting, and particle effects are all top notch. The problem is the design of the Pandora world and mainly the Navi. I could go on forever on why the Navi are horribly designed, starting with that they made the world green instead of purple like in the original treatment. But that is another novel long post for another time. -
for me its breathtaking.and i dont need to be a pro to have that kind of opinion.
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The writer of the linked page goes on and on about how realistic it looks. There are gushing reviews for the teaser. R U SRS? What are you drinking? What are you smoking? And can I have some of that because that's some powerful shizzle. Give me a friggin break!
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1. Underwhelmed by the trailer online.
2. However it did look more impressive on a 40" HDTV on Xbox live.
3. Glad that it's not a remake [totally fed up with them] or a by the numbers sequel.
4. More excited by District9.
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Ok I love this contradiction. People who arent impressed with Avatar are angry at the lack of photorealism, while simultaneously demanding mind-blowning effects and wank wank wank. Its so stupid. How do you make a rock look better than a normal rock. Thats photorealism, u cant improve it!! Its alsmot like you guys are expecting to 10,000 money shots a second, with no down-time. Sucks. to. be. you.
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HA!!!! just Imagine! If Pandora was coloured purple, just iiimaagine the hate that be spewing forth on these forums, more than it currently is. If you cant accept the current green forests as photoreal, how the hell would u react to a purple one! All hell would break lose. And for the record, you do get your magneta forest.. but only at nighttime.
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