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‘I Know This Is Difficult!!’ Sunday Brings MAD MEN 3.2!!
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Ratings are up!
“Mad Men,” which snagged the outstanding drama Emmy last year (and I’m guessing will again next month), drew its biggest audience ever last week, 4 million Sunday-night viewers.
That’s about the average audience of Syfy’s “Warehouse 13,” which just got a second-season pickup.
Titles and plotlines for tonight’s episode and beyond:
3.2 "Love Among the Ruins"
Betty gets a visit from her father. Sterling Cooper grapples with a very specific client request. Roger makes arrangements for a wedding. Peggy becomes personally affected by a campaign.
3.3 "My Old Kentucky Home"
A mandatory overtime session leaves the writers trying to stave off late-night boredom; Roger throws a party, and Joan and Greg host one of their own; and Sally and Grandpa have a run-in.
3.4 "The Arrangements"
Don crosses paths with his father-in-law; Peggy searches for a new roommate; and a new client with money to throw around is very excited about doing business with the firm.
3.5 "The Fog"
3.6 "Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency"
3.7 "Seven Twenty Three"
Things about last week we couldn’t talk about before airtime:
Loved Bert Petersen’s insanely ugly bridge-burning. Loved Lane Pryce mocking Pete Campbell (despite his lack of hospitality) just before giving him a promotion. Pryce offering Ken Cosgrove the same job was a great WTF moment. Loved how bad I felt when the fire alarm interrupted what I suspect was the greatest moment of Sal Romano’s life. Loved the suspense on the plane home just before Don pitched his London Fog idea to Sal. Loved how Holloway literally put Hooker in his place.
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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Betty gets a visit from her father. Sterling Cooper grapples with a very specific client request. Roger makes arrangements for a wedding. Peggy becomes personally affected by a campaign.
A mandatory overtime session leaves the writers trying to stave off late-night boredom; Roger throws a party, and Joan and Greg host one of their own; and Sally and Grandpa have a run-in.
Don crosses paths with his father-in-law; Peggy searches for a new roommate; and a new client with money to throw around is very excited about doing business with the firm.
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can't wait for mad men, i'm intrigued to see where this season is going. love the ken v pete dynamic.
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From the spoilers that leaked last week, Roger does something so awful that you have to watch from between your hands. There's more on the usual message boards if you really want to know.
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You just look like a fucking dolt.
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Never watched this but do they use Nigger/Spic/Kike/Dago/Fruit/ as would have been used way back when?
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If you read the posts nonlinearly, or just start with first no matter where it lies then it really is first.
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3.7 rips off Breaking Bad. Here's hoping this is a great season though. Need more Betty. NEED more.
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Funny stuff, although I hope this doesn't mean he won't be back next year on Bones.
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mmmm Betty can gulp my vino any day.
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You are killing me with your Roger post... I do want to know, but I don't want to spoil it for myself.
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Wait till you see what Betty's father does to Sally.
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I have no idea why Madmen is reviewed on this site. It's a frakking night time soap opera like Dynasty or Dallas - it's just absolutely fetid, rancid crap. I can't believe T:SCC never got any support and yet this uncool yuppie housewife show get's all kinds of press here. Drives me crazy. The very worst episode of Television Terminator owns this show. Hell I would rather sit through an hour of the Boob Whisperer than endure this glorified pretentious version of "Days of our Lives 65"
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I really wish this show would drop it's soap opera elements and focus more on the mysteries of Don's past. Oh well, I'll probably get flamed for being an idiot who doesn't "get" the show. 3, 2, 1...
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If its not for you its not for you, and its true, it is a soap opera, but its a fucking exquisite one. I just find it riveting. And not only that, but the attention to detail and sense of style and place, really recreating the sixties, and the inside of the office just buzzes with energy, I fucking love it. It will be my favorite show on TV once Lost is over. I just sort of feel bad that you can't enjoy it. It's just so damned good.
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zedul on the other hand, complete idiot. The Sarah Connor Chronicles..........really?
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Good for Mad Men for being possibly the only show on television to actually be gaining viewers. And all it took was sweeping the Emmys and having the people who did watch tell people incessantly how impeccable it is. It's impressive. Shows don't typically grow like that in a 3rd season.
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is what makes this a fucking soap
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these people live in an insulated world they are what will ultimately become your avg limousene lib sending money to lib causes...but god forbid one of their daughters ever dates a colored man and they have used terms such as colored and they have openly talked about their disdain for jews
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I mean they are just one step away from an amnesia storyline... really!
And yea... I liked some of Terminator (though most of season 2 was a waste) and I am sad to see even mediocre Sci-Fi leave the air because now the only thing left to watch is Chuck and Dollhouse. I am sorry but Lost fell on it's own sword this past season - J.J. is so infatuated with BSG that every single one of his projects has become a pale derivative echo of Battlestar.
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it sounds like what you're saying to me, is if a show does not reach a minimum nerd level, it has no value whatsoever. I mean come on, i like Chuck just fine, but Mad Men is light years ahead of it in so many arenas.
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im all for everyone haveing an opinion...but at least have some points to back up your stament.
this show is better than average, possibly even great, because of two things:
1.acting
2. writing
John Hamm as Don is a phenomenal actor and character. he conveys with just the barest of looks, what most actors would choose to mug and over do it.
the writing choices on MM show that when you stick to your style and core ideas, you can make every ep count. i havent watched an ep of MM that i didnt love. and i hate soap operas. so.....think what you will. -
J.J. Abrams hasn't been involved with Lost since season 1. And if you ask anyone (not just Lost fanatics), Season 5 was the strongest the show has been in years. So go watch Chuck and Supernatural and leave great shows which you are to dense to comprehend like Mad Men and Lost alone. Although your love of BSG is respectful. It fucking rules.
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is like calling the wire, a simple cop show
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Beats the shit out of me.
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Idiot.Seriously man, why do you even bother watching the show? Is it just so you can post here?!
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Because they have discernable taste in writing, acting, and story. It clearly beats the shit out of you.
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Just because some came to the party late doesn't mean it's not a great party.
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I think it means not a lot of thought went into creating a project's characters. That's not "Mad Men."
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The perfect analogy of quality and content. I applaud.
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i think the implication was that the show is over dramatic and badly acted. which is wrong so. i dont really get the conecction at all. whatever some people dont like about Madmen they cant say its not well acted. just cause stuff dont go boom all the time doesnt mean its not exciting. the finale of season 2 when Don drops his bomb about his contract....more tension than a whole season of Terminator:SCC
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in my opinion.
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Aug 23, 2009 9:26:38 PM CDT
"Lost fell on it's own sword this past season - J.J. is so infat
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Fail post. Seriously, I don't even know where to start with you Zedul. Wow, just wow. :(
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All of this talk about Mad Men being this kind of a show is nonsense. Is it slow to unravel its plots? Yes. Does it dabble sometimes towards the melodramatic...maybe. But mind you, these characters have been fleshed out fully in prior episodes, and the people who say this are usually the ones who watch a couple minutes here and there and tune out.
Betty saying "I'm pregnant..." and all of these examples are what keep coming forward, but if you have a light amount of patience, it is actually quite fulfilling to see how and why these characters act this way.
I guess everyone hating is looking forward to 24's new season, which I would say is a soap-opera with an explosives budget. -
Don tells Peggy she's not creative (which is a little weird, since she's a copywriter) so she hits a bar, calls him a jerk and gets laid.
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I believe they're going to pair up characters to others once the show has finished its run; Peggy will be the new Don, Joan will be the new Betty, etc. It'll show how we're all just following the same rountines and ending up in the same places no matter what.
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We have yet to find out what happened to duck right? Cause I know he got pissed when Draper stood up to him in the finale, but i didn't think he quit.
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...Roger asking Pryce if he had ever gotten hammered and tried on that suit of armor or when Don took a jab at Patio.Actually, this was kind of a strange episode. Lots of things going on in little spurts - setting up the pieces, I imagine. The discussion between Draper and Pryce over the loss of the Madison Square Garden account was fantastic. Makes you wonder what the hell London management is thinking. There looks to be a sort of uneasiness between Draper and Sterling, too. (Unspoken tension about the Jane debacle?)Interesting behavior from Peggy; although it's not too terribly surprising. I think she continues to yearn for some sort of respect and equal ground while working with a bunch of guys. And I'm assuming Draper's "hand in the grass moment" was a way of reconnecting with the revelations and "cleansing" he experienced while in California. He seemed to express a more loving, fatherly tone with his daughter after the Maypole ceremony.
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I am in agreement that Jon Hamm is able to convey so much with only subtle nuances, but I would put Moss in the same category. I adore every moment I get of Peggy onscreen. There's so much going on with her in this episode. She's so lost in a way. She's older than her years, but she doesn't have the experience to really understand her place. Oh, and as for Duck, I assumed since he goofed on the Don Draper contract fact (and remember Sterling Cooper was known for being the house that Draper built somewhat) the Putnam Powell and Lowe guys probably took back the president position and sent him on his way... They had to adapt their tactics to keep Don, knowing he was more important to keep than Duck.
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That's kinda what I thought, but i wasn't caught up until yesterday and wanted to make sure i didn't miss something.
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The references to fertility and new life in the midst of death. That extended riff on Bye Bye Birdy and the absurdly cheerful ingenue "25 year old girl who acts 14" was more than just another jab at men's libidos and how they often seek to infantilize women. It also hints at the new trend towards youth and youthful vitality marketing that prefaces the onrush of the "youthquake" thats about to hit imminently in New York, as well as the (in a few years anyway), the hippie "movement"; grown woman dancing bare foot around the may pole with the flower children of Spring...
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I mean in relation to Betty's father, who is clearly on his last legs, as well as "death" in the sense of change -- the passing of the old and the coming of the new.
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That look he gives when he tells Don "I don't know".. What a great addition. Although I hope later on it doesn't feel like this was "the British season". It's yet to be seen if it will actually serve the story well
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"Drama for the sake of drama" It's a series of connecting stories and open plots that meander around and revolve around mundane things like who is screwing whom and what marriage is falling apart and what job is being lost or what account can't be gotten or what patient is going to die. There is no story objective other than creating "new dramas" storylines open and close and ultimately the entire act goes nowhere. The protagonists essentially remain unchanged by their drama - and their fictional society isn't served or changed at all because their world only exists as a series of naturalistic plot points and threads to keep a certain demographic (originally shut in housewives) involved. What I fail to understand is why it's being followed on a site like "AICN" which used to be about cool shit like Terminators and space aliens and Cthulu type monsters and Wizards and Swords - shit anything but suits and offices and secretaries. I mean what the hell has happened to "cool". Even Entertainment Weekly is geekier than you guys now... holy shit.
Oh and PS - to the person who criticized what I said by using the world "fail", you actually never told me what was wrong with what I said other than throwing out your driveling post 911 valley girl lingo. I swear heads around here are getting so empty from under-use that a starving zombie would choke on your brains. -
Stuff happened, scenes crackled with good acting and tension. Although that British guy is so fixed in my mind as the guy on Fringe that that's all I see when he's on screen.
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The most fascinating relationship in the show, even with the tiny amount of screentime. They seem to have this nobility to em no one else does.
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That's all i think of.
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it always looks like the shit will hit the fan on that episode! But then it's just regular shit happening as uaual.
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I'm feeling kinda sleepy right now, so bear with me:
Lots of work for Peggy in this episode. I think her reaction to Ann-Margaret was a bit tangled. I don't think Ann-Margaret fits into the "Jackie" or a "Marilyn" paradigm; she offered something different than a cheap pandering but rather something like the youthful vitality already mentioned.
When Don watched the footage, he seemed smitten -- I don't think a more blatant exploitation would have made the same impression. Maybe Peggy's reaction was one of resentfulness; resentful of an innocence she's lost. Perhaps the role playing in the mirror and her inability to satisfactorily recreate it drove that home.
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I think you've pretty much nailed the soap opera definition. Even though I enjoy Mad Men (watched the first two seasons over the span of a few days two weeks ago so I could be caught up for the season three premier), I do struggle to elucidate exactly why I think it _doesn't_ deserve that label. I would submit that soaps are typically poorly acted, poorly characterized, melodramas accompanied by your definition of a fixed and unchanged world (the actions and experiences of characters never really seem to affect the characters themselves, those around them, or the world they live in). In contrast, Mad Men shows incredible acting, characterization, and plotting. These characters are real--they act like real people, and they _react_ like real people. They are greatly affected by the world around them, for example, the Cuban Missile Crisis cast a pall over the later few episodes of season two. Earlier in the season, Kinsey traveled to Mississippi to help his black girlfriend assist the local blacks in registering to vote thus foreshadowing the murders of civil rights activists two years later. Even more obviously, the misogynistic, and slightly racist (they haven't touched on that aspect nearly as much on the show), world of a 1960s corporate office building is on constant display. While Mad Men doesn't have quite the hook of a historical drama like Rome or Deadwood, it still possesses narrative, characterizations, and acting that I find immensely compelling.
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Just because Madmen has no robots, aliens, superheroes, wizards, elves or monsters, doesn't mean it isn't cool news. Offices and secretaries? Jesus you sound like the 40 year old slob, lives with his mother type, who never grew up. I mean, I like fantasy and science fiction as much as the next guy, but that's not the criteria I use to judge if something is worthy of being cool. For f*cks sake man...
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Not even close.
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I enjoyed it much more than the premiere. I still contend that Mad Men tends to take about 5 episodes each season to set all its pieces in place, but this ep we got a lot of good stuff. They're setting up these characters just so they can knock them down: the conflict between Don and Roger, Betty's dad, Kinsey being a rabblerouser. The tension is building. That scene between Don and Betty's brother...yikes.
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I am a huge Lost fan but I am really pissed off at the show right now - it's gone on too long and is meandering. And yes, it is far too derivative of BSG - Locke pulling a Starbuck last year was the final straw.
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I'm not interested in 'Mad Men' nor am I planning on watching it. Especially since 'Breaking Bad' came along.
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Actually, to me he bears an uncanny resemblance to Niles Crane from Frasier.This show is unquestionably soapy, but it is very well produced and acted. Hamm is great, and it probably didn't take long for Slattery to decide to dump Grey's Anatomy for this gig.I think it suffers from some backlash because the diehard fans tend to, intentionally or not, exude a bit of attitude to those who don't share their extreme enthusiasm. Really, it's ok not to like Mad Men, or any show for that matter, as much as "you" do.
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I won't make any assumptions about your personal life, but if you paid attention to the film and actually looked for its overall themes, I think you would understand it runs a lot deeper than a soap.
The show is about facades. Commercials are built on facades, of products changing who we are and making our lives better and more meaningful. Don Draper lives the ultimate facade. His marriage is a crumbling sham, he isn't even who he says he is, and yet it's because of these things that he is the most successful person in his arena. How long will this last? How long will the insincerity be a benefit to his career instead of a hinderance. How long can he ignore his heart and surpress his soul until he ends up like his boss Roger Sterling, an aged joke who chases young tail despite a weak heart? The problem is, you can't blame Don for the choices he makes because the world he lives in rewards his behavior. He's constantly winning new clients, constantly making more money, constantly getting laid.
Besides that, the show is too anti-melodramatic to be a soap opera. And what I mean by that is that this is a program that turns the knife very slowly. When I watched the first season, I thought it would end with Campbell shooting everyone with the gun he bought in episode 3 or 4. He didn't, and the gun is still in his office ramping the tension as this desperate character continues to get his heart smashed (and deservedly so). A melodramatic show would have ended the season with a shoot-out or with someone getting murdered. Never happened, and since then, no one has been murdered.
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People accidently got sent next week's episode on their iTunes (I think). You need to get someone who has seen the episode to review it. ***SPOILERS*** From what I've read Roger supposedly puts on black face. But, what does Betty's dad do to Sally? Was that just b.s. Laserhead? The people who claim to have seen the episode already won't spill any details. Which pisses me off. If you've seen it, tell us what happened!
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Btw, thanks Greggers. I liked what you had to say about Peggy trying to recapture an innocence she's lost and that she had something to prove. Maybe its the cognitive dissonance she feels as a young professional woman at that time -- on the one hand, she's expected to be the cute, innocent, ingenue (in order to snag a man, essentially), on the other hand, she's living in a man's world and needs to play by a man's rules in order to succeed and therefore needs to act more aggressive and maybe even a little predatory (like, say, engaging in cheap one night stands ala Don) in order to get by and be accepted as a woman in a man's world. At any rate, I thought this clip sheds some light on what Peggy was saying, and how absurd the absurdly gorgeous Ann Margaret's antics seem.
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"A 25 year old woman who acts like a 14 year old girl." I can't believe I actually have a reason to watch this movie now (aside from thinking Ann Margaret is gorgeous). Mad Men is amazing. It's easily the best show going now, and a serious contender for Best Show Ever (it's gaining fast on The Wire in my mind).
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I suppose they'll be changing that wedding date? Or perhaps just having a real bummer of a wedding.
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When 'Dexter' is back in September and America's favorite serial murderer will be hunting John Lithgow? That's all that counts, really. Everything else is simply background noise.
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if you dont watch MadMen and think "fuck...thats cool" then check your pulse. i get if the show isnt for you (same as alot of shows arent for me); but arguing the relative merits and wether or not the show is a "soap" is kind of pointless. if you like it then you like it. if not then not. quit yur bitchin! now..about the episode. not the strongest but still awsome. loved the little looks between Roger and Don. loved peggy's out of charecter turn, and the way she handled it afterwards. the Brittish Boss's vaugeness in the compony's intention was interesting. cant wait to see how it all pans out.......was it just me or did joan's sweater puppies look huge in this episode?....either way..awsome start to the season so far.
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Richard and Kahlan learn the deadly complications of Seeker-Confessor relationships when they are locked in a tomb with the spirits of the pervious Seeker and his Confessor. The 1000 year dead former Seeker seeks to free his trapped soul so he may possess Richard's body and use Kahlan's body as a vehicle for his Confessor lover so that they can make whoopie.
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I was reading an article in the "Wall Street Journal" about the show and seven out of the nine writers on this show are women. It is expected for them to understand women so well, but they capture men so well to boot. I love this show so much, it is so witty, well written, and flawlessly directed.
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Men are easy to understand. Women are extremely complicated. Hence: on a show like this, you need MANY women writers and only a few men. Women instinctually understand us, we have to work at it to understand them.
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I think the reason that Mad Men is not a soap opera is because the drama is so incredibly stylized to make a series of interrelated points about the society that this WAS and the way it foreshadowed the society that we would BE. I don't know of any other show on TV that can invest a huge amount of commentary into seemingly small things that occur in passing, like the art that hangs on an office wall and what different characters think and say about it [and how and when and why the art is changed], or how different characters react to a piece of 60's cultural detritus like "Bye Bye Birdy", or how different characters react to an urban renewal project for the construction of Madison Square Garden. Watching the scenes with Don's father in law last night I thought, "This guy discovering that he's weak and helpless now is one of the best depictions of generational change I've ever seen on TV, and this is like the C plot of this episode".
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Just caught episode 3.1, and i don't know if i'll be back for more. A big problem I had with this episode is how they show the main character. I hate when a show has to keep the main guy really a great guy at heart. He's about to cheat on his wife after he expresses some reservations about it, (dont know if thats his standard operating procedure or not though, the old "I shouldnt be doing this" routine) but gives in. Okay, so maybe this guy is a bad husband. But no, he's at home with his wife later and theyre all lovely. Alright, maybe a man can be unfaithful, but still be a good husband, this character is complicated and has layers to him, he's behaving like a real person. That's good, and Im liking it. But then, later, finds out about his gay partner on the business trip, and im interested in seeing how he handles this, this imperfect man, in a time of blatant racism and homophobia in popular culture, a realm in which these men live and breathe. But later on, in the plane, he shows that he's kind of okay with this, he winkingly says to keep things covered up and discreet. Wow, way to cut the balls of a character. Can't make the guy hate gay people? Adulterer, okay. Homophobe, not okay. For a show that looks like it pays a lot of attention to detail trying to recreate a time and place, that seemed a little bit 'progressive' for me. Maybe im missing something, but for all the great work by Hamm and the writers, making this character cool (very cool his partner never said he'd seen a stewardess so game, and Draper said "Really?" or something like that?), and yet real (he seemed to be fighting his urges, and genuinely tired at the same time, to be going through the same old song and dance with that stewardess) they lost me right therer. Draper being the deep, complex, multilayered man of his time... but then, 'hey, hey, hey lets not gay bash here, thats just crossing a line, these guys are friends and that would be different than having the guys just chuckle at gays in general.' Same reason i cant get into Hung, and countless other shows these days. The main guy is always too 'good', and it makes the whole character seem like b.s.and i dont like that. Im pretty sure Don Draper has not, and never will, say the word "nigger".
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I found the wedding date a bit much. Almost expected a "duh duh dunhhh" music sting. Still love the show. I still prefer Breaking Bad, but so glad that Mad Man exists.
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Wow, jumping in at episode 3.1..you really need to watch seasons one and two.
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I don't know if I interpreted Don's attitude to the graphic design guy's homosexuality the same way you did. Don is a sociopath, but also a kind of savant, in that he almost automatically knows perfectly how to manipulate everyone around him to get what he wants. I thought that he was letting that guy know that he knows his secret without coming right out to say it, in case he needs to use that later. And he used it a little bit right there on the plane: the story about the new London Fog ad with the girl wearing only a raincoat was kind of saying, "I will trade you the secret about you fucking guys for the secret about how the stewardess I was fucking ran outside wearing only a raincoat".
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If they keep it. The joke will probably be that the bitch of a daughter will be mad at being inconvenienced.
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Quote: "Maybe im missing something..."Yeah, you are missing something = about 2 seasons worth of character study!Indeed, Draper is a complex and multi-layered guy. But he's also incredibly deceitful, conflicted, and fucked up. If you get a chance to watch the other 2 seasons (ESSENTIAL if you're going to stay with the show!), you'll see that he's somewhat fatalistic but also more progressive than most of his peers. And while he doesn't seem to have a problem with homosexuals or a tendency to use blatant racial slurs, he hasn't been above making cracks on Jews or Asians. Although, his doing so seems to be more about playing to the sensibilities of the room than it does his actual feelings.
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Herc, I don't think Don was telling Peggy she lacks creativity. He was saying she's not Creative (with a capital "C"), as in "she's not in the Creative dept." As in"it's not your job. don't take things personally. Worry about your own responsibilities, and not other people's" Of course, you probably already knew that...
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In the words of Mr. Nice Gaius: Get To Know Don Draper. First of all, strictly on the basis of how you spelled out your reaction and what anyone would know about the show on the basis of the first episode of this season, I think you're being a little unfair. You seem to simply be writing off the show because you feel Don is too sympathetic; sympathetic through a lens of modern sensibility, or too symptheitic in general.
I think MAD MEN is largely about how Draper is a man out of time out of step. The sixties were an era of many cultural strains weaving through society, and if the prior seasons can be any indication, we'll see Don touch on every one of them (like he does with the mainstream, or how he has with the beatniks, or the jet-set, etc.). And he is ultimately uncomfortable with every one of them. This is a roundabout way of saying that Don's consciousness, a consciousness thast might allow him to give a pass to a friend's homosexuality, is in keeping with the show's theme, not easy characterization.
But on a level less thematic and more immediate to the plot and character, Don is a character with BIG FAT SKELETONS in his closet. HUGE SKELETONS. And I imagine that when he sees that vulnerability in others, (as he has with not just Sal, and his Big Fat Secret, but also Peggy and her Big Fat Secret), he empathizes and knows how to keep his mouth shut.
Of course, notice he didn't say "Let your freak flag fly, my brother." What he said was tantamount to "Bury it," which isn't exactly an enlightened response. Further, Don is superficially and casually sexist, and it's not that much of a stretch to imagine that would translate to casual rascism as well. In fact his attitude towards Jews in season one reflected that. -
It's just that I started my rambling screed before anyone commented on your post. By the time I was done, everybody threw their two cents in, so my post is a little gratuitous.
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I can dig your not liking Mad Men (I happen to think it's the best show on TV right now), however, I think accusing the show of leaving it's characters unchanged by the dramas that befall them is incorrect. As someone who, ostensibly, has not seen many episodes, I can see how you'd draw that conclusion, but the reason for your error illustrates one of the reasons I find the show to be so fantastic: Mad Men often doesn't give you the payoff to a set up for eight (or so) episodes. Dollars to doughnuts Don is pissed at Roger because Roger married Don's secretary (and not over the whole Betty thing), and that's a set-up/ pay-off that sans seasons. Also, I think we'll start to see the ramifications of Betty's last season dalliance, later on. All the characters on this show are affected by all the choices they make, unlike, say, the weekly adventures of Capt Picard and crew on ST:TNG.
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"But today is MY day, no one's paying attention to MEEE...only to Jackie..."Yea, I can see that happening.
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...GET TO KNOW DON DRAPER!
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One of the few times the show sort of winked at the audience and it didn't work.
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Why, oh sweet muscular Jesus, can't I find a torrent for this episode?
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Outside of the usergroups, no high-quality, reliable torrents, direct downloads, or streams that these things usually appear on. Curious.
I wonder if ABC pulled something all together kooky and unexpected from the their box of of anti-intertubes tricks... or are just being more vigerous now that they have super-swell ratings. -
The release groups were just all sleeping. Happens every now and again(been ages since it happen with a big release like this, though). Should be out shortly after someone catches a rerun. Hopefully sooner than later. Need. My. MM. Fix.
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Guess what, she's hosting the first episode of the season. AICN will be reporting it soon. Maybe they read that talkback? Well actually it was a nobrainer.
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The answer was "to destroy you." Really nice work on the Penn Station storyine. People in NYC really were upset around 1975 when they realized all the historical stuff they could have shown off during the Bicentenial had been knocked down between 1959 and 1972.For those wondering about Don, watch the season 2 episodes when he is California, especially when he visits the real Don Draper's widow. They guy is blue-collar, with a strong blue-collar sense of right, that's why he blasted his brother-in-law for a being a selfish prick, but he mis-calculated. A few hours after he kicked him out of his house he found out the truth, and now he is trapped. Welcome to the sandwich generation.-----later----m
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Interesting observations Mister G. and greggers. A sociopathic master-manipulator. A man out of step with his time, but who recognizes all the subcultures around him and doesnt belong. Very interesting indeed. I know ive missed two seasons, but it's rare that i follow any shows that don't have at least two seasons under their belt. I cant make the commitment to a show for a season only to have it cancelled with no payoff to the storylines and characters. I dont have the time or inclination. That said, I'm gonna catch 3.2 tonight with an open mind. I'm rooting for this show just on the look alone.
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This cannot go well.
The Draper household is already rife with tension, and to add a mentally unstable geriatric into the mix is just bringing coals to Newcastle. -
LOL, this show leaks EVERY SEASON!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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Oh shit that's hilarious!
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Does anyone think the kid will be born with some type of defect or will be still born because of Bettie's drinking and smoking the show almost seems to ram it down our throats and she kept saying at the end of last season "I can't have this pregnancy" and such (Probably not those exact words but you know what i'm talking about) I think she'll be eating those words before all is said and done.
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Aug 25, 2009 5:27:27 AM CDT
Sci-Fi is stupid drivel for pre pubescent boys without dates.
by dailysportspages
Except when its not.
And excellently crafted Sci-Fi television show is fucking amazing.
It took years for Sci Fi to catch up to other genres.
Sure, we would get an occasional great piece of Sci-Fi on TV... but the vast majority of it was pretty shit.
So what if Mad Men is a Soap Opera if its a fucking fantastically crafted Soap Opera that elevates the form to previously unknown heights?
Star Wars was a Space Opera... and before Star Wars nobody knew that sci-fi could be done so awesomely.
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I'll say again this is one of the least troll-friendly TBs. You trolls aren't gonna get much bang for your buck here; I advise you to move along.
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Not sure if anyone here noticed, but the date for Roger's daughter's wedding -- November 23, 1963 -- will be the day after Kennedy is assassinated. That wedding is going to be ruined with or without family problems.
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Someone kind of mentioned it, but didn't spell in right out.
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I posted this in last week's talkback accidentally. Here it is again:
With each Mad Men talkback lately, someone suggests the show is not showing the intolerance of the day correctly. But even in that era, every place in the world didn't have lynching of blacks and gay guys getting beaten up. There aren't really many black characters to be seen, first off, so there's little opportunity for slurs to be tossed around. And Don is the only one who knows about Sal. We're dealing with people in a certain area of society who consider themselves civilized, and while they'd probably fire Sal over learning such a thing, we don't really have characters that turn angry and violent in this show. Don's certainly not about to kick the crap out of some guy for being gay. Some people then -- even now -- would do that, but not everyone. "Classy" businessmen working in a NYC office building are probably a bit less likely to be walking around all day saying the n-word. Even if most of them may be thinking it. -
That explains it!
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Ann Margret's fuckin' annoying.
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What a monkey wrench to throw into the "perfect" nuclear family if the latest addition of the Draper family was born with, say perhaps, Downs Syndrome, given the focus on Betty's drinking and constant lighting up. How will their walking on thin ice marriage deal with a child that would need their attention 24/7? I think genesis brings up a valid plot polint.
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Just wanted to mention how Don's "advice" to Sal mirrored what he said to Peggy when he went to visit her in the hospital. he said "you will be Shocked...at how much This didnt happen". sort of the same thing with Sal. and the fact that he managed to couch the whole exchange in an awsome advertising pitch. damn...love the writing on this show.
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nice innuendo
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He didn't say she isn't creative. I deleted it from my DVR, so I can't check, but that's what I heard.
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I must admit I really would like to know what "other things" Peggy was referring to. She doesn't strike me as someone very knowledgeable about many other things.
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Aug 26, 2009 7:09:15 AM CDT
HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN 3 SHEETS TO THE WIND AND TRIED THIS ON?
by wes from ny
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Fucking dead-ringer.
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I predict that the last scene of this show will be Peggy becoming President of Sterling-Cooper.
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