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BOURNE 4 Has A New Writer...Maybe... Sorta..Yes...No...Yes... Perhaps...
Merrick here...
The Powerrs That Be have hauled in Josh Zetumer to write a script for the 4th BOURNE movie. Oddly, it's not clear if his script is being positioned as a standalone, or may somehow be grafted onto material already developed by George Nolfi (OCEAN'S TWELVE, BOURNE 3).
George Nolfi, who worked on "The Bourne Ultimatum," initially came back for the fourth entry. He also boarded to write and direct "The Adjustment Bureau," an adaptation of a Philip K. Dick short story that reteams him with "Bourne" star Matt Damon.
But as that movie nears its September start date, Nolfi had to step away from "Bourne." Not wishing to slow development and keen on making "Bourne" part of its 2011 slate, Universal hired Zetumer to write a new script. It is unclear what will occur after Zetumer submits his draft or whether his script will be integrated with Nolfi's.
...says THIS piece at THR.
It should be noted that the incoming Zetumer is also developing a DUNE remake with Peter Berg.
George Nolfi, who worked on "The Bourne Ultimatum," initially came back for the fourth entry. He also boarded to write and direct "The Adjustment Bureau," an adaptation of a Philip K. Dick short story that reteams him with "Bourne" star Matt Damon.
But as that movie nears its September start date, Nolfi had to step away from "Bourne." Not wishing to slow development and keen on making "Bourne" part of its 2011 slate, Universal hired Zetumer to write a new script. It is unclear what will occur after Zetumer submits his draft or whether his script will be integrated with Nolfi's.
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Didn't they PROFUSELY and continually joke when 3 came out (Greengrass himself) that if they were absolutely not going to do a fourth because it would have to be called The Bourne Redundancy? Soooo typical. This is dumb.
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I thought the last one was like jerking off to a JC Penny catalog.
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Unless Bourne goes all James Bond, there's just not a lot of new stuff he can do. He'd have to become an agent again to do something different and that doesn't really fit the character.
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that he takes the fight to THEM.
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you'd have to be one to want to see this happen.
Just because the Americans loved their version of Bond doesn't mean they were great movies. The first one was good, but the follow ups were worse than Die Another Day. -
It should be called "The I Wasn't Bourne Yesterday"
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The Bourne films were good, but none of them were great. Not enough to warrant four damn movies, that's for sure. But Die Another Day was an abortion of a film.
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I never understood how the plot NEVER ADVANCED.and weren't part 2 and 3 the SAME FILM???I mean, truthfully-I LOVED THE FIRST one, and the ACTION in 2 was meh, and the action in part 3 was amazing-so yes, they were entertaining as shit...but the plot??? It's like they hypnotized the audience!I was expercting the COOLEST of collest when tehy revelaed how webb(or whatever his real name is) was made into bourne.instead, we get some dumbassed bunk his head in water cliche bullshit! Talk about letdown!
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Forester brought him in during production after the writer's strike to do some uncredited rewrites on the script.
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..The Tree Of Life - Fucking your smelly butthole 2009!
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From a character's point of view one story arc has been done (three action movies about a guy trying to find his identity with no really defined bad guy is quite an achievement in these days), but get a few good writers - or one excellent one - and map out a series with serialization and some stand-alone movies. Like a tv show, or something. As long as talented people stick to this one vision this could be one hell of a franchise.
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Takes the fireworks to Them this time.
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1) Matt Damon as an action hero is a little different and brings more acting chops than most action stars. 2) The action scenes are that disorienting crazy shaky cam that makes me feel part of the action. I know a lot of you hate that but I find it to be cool. 3) The stories are a lot more believable than the James Bond movies where for example Bond rides a space station back to Earth without incinerating. 4) Bourne seems more like an "everyman" type hero making him more relatable than "superman" James Bond. 5) The bad guys are more believable. Instead of some shady organization made up of criminal masterminds as in Bond, you get corrupt power mad bureaucratic assholes. Which one is more believable? 5) I could probably think of more, but most people probably won't even read this far.
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make the movie about bourne's kids in the future who are also spies and say things like "radical" and "wizard"
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bourne 3 maybe I missed a good ending or something but the movie full of itself yuk. I couldn't stand it.
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And don't remember a thing about them. I may have just seen the first one three times as well I don't know. Fucking annoying films can't believe Boring 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance won 3 YES FUCKING 3 Oscars.
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They should have offered the fourth film to him to write and direct. (Maybe they did and he turned it down.) In any case, I can't see a Bourne film being any good without a Tony Gilroy script.
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If your gonig to bulk up again, just fucking be a man and sign up to be Captain America damnit. OH wait that would require you to actually learn how to fight.
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hahahaha, thanks dude i blew a funny fuse after reading that
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Oops, forget, they did that already. THREE TIMES.
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Pull trey Parker and Matt Stone off their pile of money and have them marionette MATTTT DDDAAAMMMMMONNNN for this one. At least the puppet shows more acting chops and can probably fight better.
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These movies are always entertaining. As long as Damon is on board, so am I.
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Could someone clue me in?
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Jason Bourne, the most secret agent of the Obama Administration. He is taken to a secret facility where his mind is wiped, and he is reporgrammed with a new mission. He breaks into the sleeping chambers of world leaders, gently wakes them, and apologizes for anything America has ever done that might have offended them. Then he apologizes for waking them up. Then he blames George Bush for his haircut and jumps out a window to an easy escape.
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I hope to fucking god they fire Paul Greengrass this time. Motherfucker shakes the camera so hard I can't even tell what the fuck is going on. Also, I think it's pretty obvious that the plot of this series will just follow the model of Ultimatum from here on out: "We thought we found everyone, but it turns out the conspiracy went higher and farther than that, and now we must face down a new level of it that's hunting Jason down!" Supremacy wrapped up the story with all the members of the original conspiracy; from now on it's just gonna be "ANOTHER level to the conspiracy!" until the whole thing is run by aliens in part 6.
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Thats not the real Dickblood.
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i ficking hate when a franchise has a conclusion and then tries to shoehorn in a story set before the final film...it never works because you can tell from the beggining who lives and who dies based on who shows up in the later movies...and every prequel tries too hard to make some obvious mention or homogoe to something that will come later
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"OH wait that would require you to actually learn how to fight."
Really? Seriously? Tell me that was jest. Let's get an actual actor to play Steve Rogers and not a wrestler or martial artist turned actor shall we? -
Aug 21, 2009 1:22:07 PM CDT
So is the real DICKBLOOD with a - instead of a _ or what?
by juansanchez
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..thay can come up with as long as the quality holds up. The Roof jump thru the window still makes me giddy. I remember saying, that was a camera trick, there is no way a camera man followed the stuntman off the roof. Then i watched the DVD extras, and there the camera man was, jumping off the roof. Crazy
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doesn't have a zero for the last o. Sad I know this.
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Bourne Ultimatium got a little too on the nose with its "When do we stop?" "When we win!" and "this isn't what i signed up for!" Still, that being said, Bourne without Tony Gilroy involved = hmm. Personally, I'd love to see a Bourne/Bond film. Both franchises are perfectly aligned to do something along those lines. Here's hoping.
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Seriously, why shouldn't they make one or two more? The first was intended to be a stand-alone movie, yet they easily transformed it into a trilogy. Now they could build upon that and extend it to a progression that spans over 5 or 6 films. The franchise had a huge impact on action films during this decade- particularly the spy genre. So much so, that even the Bond producers were finally forced to rethink their formula.
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Has his own site now. http://www.aintitbalenews.com
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It is the new site of record.
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with the image of him in the water in the beginning and the end. A fourth movie is just a big fucking cash grab. Totally unneccessary.
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Without Bourne there would be no Daniel Craig Bond - Bourne proved that you could have a credible actor in an action film role – Bourne made Bond get tougher!
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First one was fighting CIA thugs and super soldiers. Second one running from cops and fighting a bad ass Russian and running from CIA. Third film same as the first film. Now that the government forces have been defeated Bourne should face the Jackal or a group not connected to a government one that doesn't get orders from guys sitting in rooms filled with computers. Make the villains bad ass and menacing. That is how Bourne stays alive as a franchise. If they keep to formula people will get bored. Anti-government themes worked really well when Bush was in office, not so much with Obama.
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Watching him run is old.
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Half the Bond movies made are pesh but they still made them - The Living Daylights and License to Kill, eh hello! Bounrne still has legs. What it does need though is a A credible bad guy, he needs to suffer and struggle a bit more in the next movie
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Although that scene from the first film with him running through the field with a shotgun fighting off a sniper was probably one of the best scenes in the trilogy.
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Jason Bourne takes out Republicans opposed to Health Care reform only to find out it really hasn't been the Republicans holding up reform, but the Democrats. Bourne goes Limbaugh on the Dems and Obama for lying to him and by the end of the movie we have reform as Bourne drives off in his Prius.
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If they get the director for the first one, I'm in. Wasn't there a 4th book called "the Bourne legacy"? it was written by some other guy tho, the original writer is dead or something
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and yes, he is dead. The latest in the series was/were written by an approved author, whose name I do not know. Plus, it is not important enough for me to look up at the moment.
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Damn these movies are so DAMN BORING!!
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Aug 21, 2009 3:37:03 PM CDT
They should load Bourne up with gadgets and bikini babes
by margot_tenenbaum
...just to balance out the Bournification of Bond.
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The plot in the first one seemed like it was going to go somewhere. Then I realized the second was a cheap ripoff of the first, and the third was a complete runaround. Is Bourne going to fight the CIA and the US government forever? What is he doing with his life? Honestly, I think the three movies should have been it, with a complete resolution coming in the third. The last two sequels felt like expansion packs for videogames.
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in a couple of years, maybe?
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They got better each time, a little more specifics to the ongoing story. I don't see a need for a fourth, especially sans Gilroy... I have a feeling it would just be a Rambo 2 thing where some individual or organization finds Bourne and recruits him for ONE LAST JOB... Would it be completely silly and fantastical to have a crossover with Bond? Would Broccoli/Wilson allow that? Would Sony and Universal play ball? It seems like a feasible idea, now that movies are the new comic book anyway. www.agenesisfound.com
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That's why the last one was so terrible. Bourne will not last one or two more movies. Bond has lasted for decades. Why are Bond's makers so obsessed with Bourne? It's trendy, it won't be around for long. Casino Royale showed what Bond can do with solid work put into. Quantum tried to make Bond a hybrid with the Bourne style. Didn't work. Let Bourne fizzle out and do your thing EON!
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From an artistic point of view this movie is totally unnecessary. I can't think of an organic character arc that warrants a revisit to the Bourne universe. Both Matt Damon and Paul Greengrass had been unequivocal about not returning for a fourth movie. This is totally driven by studio greed. I'm convinced this will sully the wonderful reputation this series enjoys. It's very rare for a film franchise to get better and better. Bourne managed this twice. Three times won't be a charm. I'd love to be wrong. Love to. Instead, I think Damon should lead a rebooted Indiana Jones franchise. This worked for Bond. It could work for Indy.
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And it had the perfect ending with Jason repeating Clive Owen's line from the first one, and then him going into the water and being reborn (after being found half drowned in the first). Absolutely no need for a sequel.
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Call it that, please.
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I think 1 was great, 2nd was better and the 3rd was the best of them all.
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They're all the same, that's why. We were under the impression the plot would advance in the third and it didn't. It was the same as the first!
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I have all three of them and they're good, but I'm pleasantly surprised that a wide spectrum of people likes them. Personally I only watch part 1 because Franka Portente (spl?) rocked a hairstyle I would roq if I had the guts to cut my hair short.
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If I was, that's the only way I would enjoy a 4th installment.
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There I said it.
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If they wanted to leave her behind while Bourne did her thing, then fine. But kill her? Stupid. She made Bourne somewhat human. After she died, Bourne became a robot.
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sadly, we knew all along
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Aug 21, 2009 6:30:49 PM CDT
At the risk of repeating myself Mr Bourneville Chocolate man
by getofmypointbreak
Bond was dead in the water - Bourne reinvented a dead idea. Make the 4th - the 4th book was good, The opening scene is him spliting up a fight in a school hallway a little bit to well - the kid he helps calls him his history teacher....da da daaaaaa
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Aug 21, 2009 7:13:21 PM CDT
After the 1st one, they should have renamed the series...
by jacksparasites
After the 1st one, they should have renamed the series The Bore Identity
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That cracked me right up :D I would totally go and see that.
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you are not a donkey, you are an Ass for suggesting Die Another Day is even in the same league as any one of the Bourne films. Ass I say!
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I can see now why Talkbackers get a bit pissed off... Come on guys, I know you can do better than this!
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Damm it.
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Boring as shit storylines in bland boring as fuck settings, the badguys are people standing around in offices looking sinister and the camera work and editing is done by spidermonkeys with too much coffee and cocaine.
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If they can maintain the level of quality, that's great, but seldom does a trilogy wrap up as well as what they accomplished. The "big reveal" was so modest as to make me feel "that's it?!?" - but overall everything tied up a hell of a lot better than the vast majority of third entries. Coming back for Round 4 risks tarnishing the symmetry and diluting the quality.
I also agree that Bourne needs a mission. He knows who he is, he knows his past, he avenged his girl. What's left to do? BOURNE VS. BOND? -
He's the man. The man with the Bournefinger!!
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I fell asleep watching the third one... really have to put it on and watch it properly one of these days...
the first one was truly great
let me say that again TRULY GREAT!
the original material it was made out of was great and Doug Liman used his own personal experience with the CIA to make the film adaptation TRULY wonderful - I mean, just the PREMISE of an agent, a weapon, who doesn't know who he is, what he's doing...
the closest anyone else has come would probably be Renny Harlin with Long Kiss Goodnight, where the agent has become fucked in the head enough to buy her own cover story...
the sequels really didn't have anywhere to go, once this story was told - not even the novels that Ludlum wrote were really as good as The Bourne Identity
only way I can see them even POSSIBLY being able to somehow recapture even a tiny fraction of the magic of the original would be maybe REDO the original premise again - in other words Bourne loses his memory once again, only this time the audience is sortof in on the conspiracy and tension is built by watching him do the WRONG things when we know who he SHOULDN'T trust and who he SHOULD be seeking out - as I said I fell asleep in the middle of 3 so maybe the ending to that completely disqualifies any possibility of doing something like this... I dunno, I'm just spit-balling here...
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That was hilarious.
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Nolfi's Ocean's 12 script, which I heard was modified from some other caper movie he'd already written, and then poorly reworked into an Ocean's vehicle, was awful. Griffin's Ocean's 11 is one of my favorite movies, and Ocean's 12 is one of the absolute worst. Not interested in anything else Nolfi writes, and Gilroy's involvement surely made Ultimatum the great movie that it was.
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So many whiners. some of the most tightly directed action flicks ever done. They hold up after repeated viewing, name others that can do that?
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I hope that the series continues. I've read ALL of the original Ludlum books and continue with the Lustbader books. But, as Damon has said, he won't be in it if it's not written well. I trust his judgment. If he's not in it I won't see it. Let's hope it's well written. The last one was done very well (although the movies stray FAR FAR from the books); I hope it continues.
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'cause each book got progressively worse.
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I left each movie saying, "That was okay." Then never thought about them again. The sequels feel exactly like the first one, as in nothing all that memorable happens.
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So, it's like Bond and all the other rip offs are trying to ape a totally forgettable franchise. I mean, I knew The Incredible Hulk wasn't going to be much when there's a Bourne style chase in the beginning. (Though maybe if Banner had transformed into the Hulk during said rooftop chase that might've been an interesting twist on the latest cliche.) Anyway, yeah, please Hollywood, please keep making empty forgettable movies to set the trend for heaps more empty forgettable movies.
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I always thought of it as a fourth Bourne movie.
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After watching Taken, it felt like it could've passed as Jason Bourne as an old man and he goes ballastic when his daughter is kidnapped.
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Any news on the new James Bond movie?
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The special camera units with Palsy and other handicaps will be able to find work again! Hooray for Borne for doing the right thing and helping these people find work despite criticism and racist comments like "Shakeycam"
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Just saw Taken again. Can't get enough of Liam kicking ass after having those thugs say "Good Luck."The torture scene right after is worth the money alone.
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She is now an agent and she squares off against Bourne. She pulls a knife. Bourne pulls a tampon out of her purse and beats the shit out of her with it. All 3 movies are just OK. I cant believe no one commented on the Peter Berg/Dune speculation at the end of that post. Cant wait for that.
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find 'Bourne' to be boring. Just because the protagonist isn't wearing tights doesn't mean it's a boring film.3/4th of each movie is a guy being chased and being launched into crazy scenarios. What more could you ask for? Best espionage flicks since agent 007 turned 200.
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Seriously EON, pretend Bourne doesn't exist.
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At least I actually cared about the characters in it. With Bourne, there's such a disconnect with everyone. You don't give a shit.
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it was like a lifetime soap opera witha bunch of shakeycam. i hope the next Bond is more... Bondian and less Bourney.
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only the first one was really worthwhile and we have moved a long way from the actual borne of the books.i still love the car chase from the first one. very clever and creative.
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Aug 23, 2009 4:53:42 AM CDT
Quantum.oS, Bourne I.D, Bounre S & Bourne U were all great!
by ceejaynightwing
QoS was the perfect follow up to Casino Royale, a story that uses the moral of the original short story and employs it to show how Bond stopped becoming a blunt Instrument and progressed to a professional after learning to deal with his Vesper experience. Say goodbye to the silly gadgets and screwing everything in sight comedy Bond of the past and move on with these far more accurate adaptations of the original character. Otherwise simply re-watch those last 20 flicks all over again, but stop complaining about progress!
As for Bourne, no the films are nothing like the books but the films are fantastic and only kept getting better. Not for the narratively-challenged or people who can't adapt to a camera shot in continuous motion, granted! But for those saying the plots are all the same then take note: The first movie is about him trying to find out what he was before he suffered memory loss and not liking what he found. The second was him being framed as a patsy for an operation linked to his past first mission he is struggling to recollect. He is trying to uncover the conspiracy, looking for redemption while not trying to revert back to being the killer he was trained to be. The third movie is about him trying to bring down the Black Ops cell that made him what he was while they try to take him out before he can succeed. His motives were revenge for his girlfriends murder but in doing so he also uncovers who he really was before they branded him with the Bourne Identity. Three amazing espionage thrillers, the 2nd and 3rd unique and expertly shot in continuous motion, and all three with amazing fight choreography that sans the a-typical action flick style and goes for a realistic delivery of combat between individuals trained to kill and use anything in their reach or power to use as a weapon to do so. If they do a fourth, it will have to be about him trying to uncover his previous life as David Webb (with some assistance from Julia Stiles while still being haunted by the repercussions of his actions under the Bourne Identity. -
and yes it is actually not bad - in terms of the WRITING - except it really seemed to have nowhere left to go by the end...
and that AWFUL AWFUL camerawork!!
AWFUL!!!v
TRULY AWFUL!!!!
-did I mention how AWFUL the camerawork was?
either somebody introduce Greengrass to a fucking TRIPOD or just keep him THE FUCK away from this!
I nearly fell asleep AGAIN - during the Moroccan chase sequence because it is so JARRING to watch that shitty handheld camerawork, your brain just starts to SHUT DOWN - it is totally distracting and disconnects you from the movie - not to mention makes you feel a little ILL! -
Bourne is on the roof of the building across the street from the building where the CIA hunting him are having a meeting.
He's watching through a sniper scope.
CIA slow learners. -
As there already exsists a 4th Bourne novel-The Bourne Legacy wouldnt it make sense to use that as a basis for the film?
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What a bunch of softies you are!A depiction of a violent world isnt to your tastes then?Get & watch some Merchant-Ivory then you fairies!
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so is Casino Royale albeit on a lesser degree.
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How about the scene where hes' in the badguy's office "where are you now CIA guy?" "i'm uh at my office." "If you were we'd be having this conversation face to face." GASP! Bourne's at headquarters, drive back! keystone cops.
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If he'd been given a script like Casino Royale, he would have owned it. Goldeneye was his only serious script and it is generally considered one of the best of the Bonds.
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I'll never watch anything directed by Paul Greengrass again, period.
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It rocks, deal with it.
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If you liked Quantum of Solace. Seriously, it was made for people with low IQs.
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Yeah yeah...shaky cam. I thought it was much cooler when Star Trek did it as the actors had to pretend the ship was canting terribly to various angles in synch. That takes a lot more than some ill-shaven jackass jumping up and down with a handheld to pull off 70's sci-fi effects! It takes fucking choreography to make it look like the whole crew is getting tossed about! Can you imagine the amount of ass on the set if fucking Chekov bounced to the right while everybody else bounced to the left? "That's your left asswipe! O-fuckin-k? your left..NOT my left..ok? Christ!!"...But the parts in Bourne 2/3 where there is no 'manic' action and yet the camera still seems to drift away from the actors?! wtf right? greengrass makes a taut thriller but *does* it really progress the story? And if they do a 4th...is there some other creepy old white dude behind the latest creepy old white dude? Will Bourne eventually find a 2' by 2' room with no windows and a single door and inside is the man behind the man behind the man behind the conspiracy? At what point of all this man behind the man nonsense does it turn into queer soft-porn?I loved the first movie, thought they did good picking a distinct and participatory bad guy (Urban) in the second one, and finally got tired of Wide-eyed Ms Forehead pacing and belittling minor security and intelligence officials in lieu of doing anything else to justify camera time.Even the first was hell and gone from the books and now it's in complete unknown territory insofar as Ludlum's universe...but! But!...But there is great nuance in these films too...in the latest, after Bourne kills another Treadstone agent (the erratically shaky shot, but well choreographed apartment fight) he pauses and looks about, seemingly confused..catching his breath. I love that. He just fought desperately and killed a man with his bare hands and actually has to stop to collect himself afterwards. I think that's more likely than spouting an epithet or just pressing on without notice. But the 3rd was a vague retelling of the second with bits of the first...this is gilligan's island folks...once Bourne knows who he is and finds who did it, where else is there to go? Does anybody really give a shit about Gilligan and the Skipper's charter business after they get off the island?
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anyone is still seriously trying to defend Quantum of Solace and the reviews this site in particular gave that specific shit sandwich at the time were laughable. That entire film was like watching the rushes from something still in production. No plot, no wit, no great 'Bond' moments, no charm, the worst theme song in Bond history, just scene after scene after scene after scene of mechanical action sequences featuring the diminutive and ever gurning Daniel Craig. It was proof positive that Eon are not only talentless hacks but also seem to believe they can lob any old cack in the general direction of cinemas and still fund a new wing on Barbara Broccoli's house or something just as long as they remember to slap the 007 logo on top of their increasingly generic and charmless pictures. Bring on Bourne 4 I say.
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