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UPDATE!! The AVATAR Teaser Is Here!!
Merrick once more...
Apple seems to have resolved their issues. The AVATAR trailer is (easily and actually) available in all kinds of Glorious QuickTime...
HERE!!!
Merrick again, again...
If you're getting boned at Apple, the French version of the trailer can be found...
HERE!!!
Its exactly the same at the U.S. version, except it's not in QT & for one line of dialogue (dubbed into French) which translates to "This is great."
Merrick again...
There seems to be some funkiness with the apple site. Here are two links to HD versions of the trailer. We'll update again when everything's sorted out on Apple.
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1080
Merrick here...
More in a moment. Watch it in Glorious QuickTime...
HERE!!!
HERE!!!
If you're getting boned at Apple, the French version of the trailer can be found...
HERE!!!
Its exactly the same at the U.S. version, except it's not in QT & for one line of dialogue (dubbed into French) which translates to "This is great."
Merrick again...
There seems to be some funkiness with the apple site. Here are two links to HD versions of the trailer. We'll update again when everything's sorted out on Apple.
720
1080
Merrick here...
More in a moment. Watch it in Glorious QuickTime...
HERE!!!
720
1080
Merrick here...
More in a moment. Watch it in Glorious QuickTime...
HERE!!!
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Not impressed
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it doesn't work.
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My eyes are lying back smoking a cig right now feeling quite buzzy.
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the whole trailers site is down and out.
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http://www.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_720p.mov
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Looks like a Warcraft players wet dream. Judgment reserved
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The goggles do nothing
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http://specials.divertissements.fr.msn.com/cinema/avatar/default.aspx
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Looks alright, defo be there front and centre when it opens in December but for me Cameron will never, ever beat Aliens. Thats the film that made me fall in love with cinema....
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what am I doing wrong?
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it's 720P: http://www.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_720p.mov
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http://specials.divertissements.fr.msn.com/cinema/avatar/default.aspx
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for another Cameron classic. The music is fucking cool too.
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very sad, but I enjoyed the leaked trailer yesterday, stunning.
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Yet again...The avatar web team fails. Useless fucks. I think they are just trying to alienate the fan base. Lame.
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Epic Fail etc. Why bother having the big countdown thing at all?
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looks like the stereoscopic 3d aspect is what will be it's selling point.
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not workin not workin come on come on!
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JAR JAR AVATAR
FUCK YEAH 400 million dollar FURY CARTOON: The MovieLOOK LIKE SHITLMAO -
Genius!!!!
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Love it! Can't wait for the 15 minutes tomorrow!
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...if the damn thing doesn't work!!
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The music totally made the trailer. The Navi look a little stupid at first, but so did the aliens in District 9. After watching the preview multiple times they look less dumb. The action looks to be amazing though. I love that the marines are taken right out of Aliens. No need to reinvent the colonial marines. Maybe Avatar and Aliens takes place in the same universe?
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WORTHLESS FUCKING RETARDS. FIX THE FUCKING BULLSHIT AT ONCE YOU INCOMPETENT RATS.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:34:15 AM CDT
WOW! That trailer was........................................
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
http://tinyurl.com/l645xf
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http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h1080p.mov
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Looks pretty fantastic, but is it just me, or do the Na'vi look .. slightly CGI...as in I just thought it'd look more realistic. Im sure itll be awesome though. The action sequences looked amazing.
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Tank.
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Back...back to your Abrams/Bay/McG shit. The moment where Worthington smiles at his avatar tells you all you need to know, you're in the hands of someone that actually know how to make films.
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I know it's a teaser, but the lack of dialogue was a bit worrying. Otherwise it was...a hollywood sci-fi film. Maybe this thing only comes to life in 3D?
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WTF? The alien action looks like a weird CG kids movie. My enthusiasm level has dropped to zero. James - let me know when you plan to make movies with people again.
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Haha, thanks for the laugh.
Yeah, this is a buzzkill. Where dat trailer at? I'll be patient.
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nope.
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I'm starting to get pissed at this movie.
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This is it. We now all know the truth. This is ugly as shit, CG everywhere, this is Final Fantasy Spirits Within only 1000 times uglier, there is the same eyeball problem than those Zemeckis shites, thank god Rothman is going down with this but fuck it Jim, you should have realised that you had no taste and use some Rick Baker here and there. THIS IS INSANELY UGLY, and yes MSN works, not Glorious quicktime...
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sorry.
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http://tinyurl.com/mpgyzy PLACE THE LINK IN PLAYER
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...I doubt many people will notice much eyeball fucking come December is this laughable trailer is anything to go by!
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and I have one question to ask. That's the trailer for the videogame, right? right? because that can't be the real trailer, it simply cannot, it's so fucking cartoony its laughable!!! please let this be a hoax, a prank, this movie, from what I've seen in the teaser, cannot be this cartoony, come on JC, you can't be serious with this!!!
fuck, no way you're raping my eyeballs with that limp, flacid, little, miniature cock of a teaser. Expectations checked. -
...Looks like an xbox 360 game. i guess we've come as far as cgi can go....cause this SURE doesn't look photo realistic!!! At least the story should be ok, coming from cameron....but not impressed at all by the graphics.
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Too action heavy and adult for little kids, too cartoony for adults.
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thanks.
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Ehhhh... Okay. I gotta go with the naysayers. So all the hype this thing has been getting, and for as long as they've worked on it, why does the modeling look like crap? Why does this thing look exactly like what someone else said earlier, a world of warcraft trailer. ...I dunno guys. This doesn't look like money well spent and if it weren't for James Cameron's name I'd probably over-look this.
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brilliant. tomorrow night cant come soon enough for me.
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Are these just test shots or something in this trailer? They can't be the actual, finished, fully rendered shots...right? Because if they are, I gotta tell you, this looks like any other CGI movie I've seen in the past 5 or 6 years. I read the script like 10 years ago and it looks like they're following it pretty close from what I can see in the teaser. But come on, this is NOT anything game changing and my eyeballs were NOT fucked. Seriously...the CGI almost bordered on just plain run-of-the-mill stuff.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:37:40 AM CDT
1080P on a 62" Plasma . . . . . .on it still REALLY REALLY sucks
by jjensen9971
I'll try on my itouch now . . ..
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Epic disaster.
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I just DON'T get how District 9 looked SO realistic for $30 mill, yet Lucas and Cameron spend WAy more, and get a less realistic view.
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just takes a while to buffer
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Dunno what the insane fanboyism is over. I'll watch it when it comes out.
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sigh... looking for something to hate, you will always find
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to make a cartoon!
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... This film will be a big stinking pile of horse Sh*t!
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This looks fucking horrible.
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Fucking shite.
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Okay, I tried each of the HD trailers (480, 720, 1080), and they tell me they're not files that Quicktime understands. So I try the standard def. and get a broken link symbol. So I tried a couple of the posted "this page works" links and all I get is a frozen green preview screen. I don't know about my eyeballs, but I feel fucked right now.
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Does EVERY CG creature have to strike a pose and roar before attacking? It's almost as irritating as hearing the wilhelm scream for the thousandth time in a movie.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:39:50 AM CDT
Eyeball rape it is not! but it harrassed my eyeballs
by dioxholsterunbound
more like Eyeball harassment
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want to work with CG characters instead of actors? Lucas, Zemekis, now Cameron, soon Jackson and Spielberg. What's the deal? Actors just don't get close enough to their vision anymore?
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Is there a Randy Newman song about Space Marines ?
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the boat is sinking, over.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:40:16 AM CDT
No good on the itouch either . . .. . guess I'll just go watch I
by jjensen9971
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Aug 20, 2009 9:40:18 AM CDT
Looks fucking stupid - like Napolean Dynomite characters
by professor_monster
I never understood the appeal of animal/people - and having them fly around on big bugs - nope not for me
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Come on!! Tell me that was the teaser for the PS3 Avatar game cause if THAT'S what we've been waiting for...
Very disappointed.
And kwisatzhaderach? "The moment where Worthington smiles at his avatar tells you all you need to know, you're in the hands of someone that actually know how to make films." WHAT??? Sorry, but that's the silliest thing I've heard in a long, long time. -
quite nice but.....not the eyeball mashing its been built up to be
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They put up a countdown and when it expires, the page is blank for 7 minutes. Then the HD links just come up with a ?. I'll probably see the preview tomorrow night faster than Apple will learn how to properly run a web site and make technology. Losers. Stick to music players and toy phones and leave the real tech to those who know what they're doing. kthxbai!
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Brand loyalty for apple sucks, but I must be honest with myself.
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snap
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Not immediately impressed. I love James Cameron, but in the 15 years or so since he's made a sci-fi film, the design of sci-fi films has evolved. This looks very 90s to my eyes. I was thinking it'd looks more slick and sophisticated, but it's looking a little video-gamish and kids-film-like. But, it's just a trailer. I'm sure as an experience it'll be pretty amazing.
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The new toys look great
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I'm excited to see how this looks on the big screen in 3D.
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Hopefully it will be one of those things where the story will make you forget you're watching some run-of-the-mill CGI. Just because it looks plain and ordinary doesn't mean that the movie will be. We'll have to see when it comes out.
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http://avatar.substance001.info/
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And all we got was Star Wars Episode 1 but with more mechanical robots?
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If it was just some random movie it would be one thing - this is a highly anticipated James Cameron film long in development and production that Cameron has built up as something truly groundbreaking. That's why it's being judged harshly.
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To understand this sequel?
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something about their faces looks ridiculious... its adding to the cartoonishness
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http://tinyurl.com/mpgyzy
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You do know what "photo-real" means? Because these aliens are about as photo-real as The Hulk. Still want to see it, but don't give me crap and call it caviar.
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Remember Matrix revolutions ??? Much much better photorealistic looking in this old steampile of shite, and don't tell me it was easier in a tech environment than in the Jungle, we are three years later.
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Go clean the sand out of your vaginas and stop your bitching. Boo-fucking-who. Hating a movie based on 2 minutes of footage? REALLY?? Bitch as much as you want, the world will still continue to spin and the movie will still exist.
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Download real player (it's free)...Then go back to the "frozen green preview screens", and instead of waiting for it to load, simply click "download with realplayer"...You will see the blue download screen if you scroll the mouse to the top right of the green strip...It works great for many embedded clips...
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I don't know what the haters are talking about... like what kind of movie were you expecting???
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What I meant is that there is clearly an element of wonder in the film... something I haven't seen in a film for years.
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Was the one that paid money to stop Delgo from being seen.
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I'm with you on part of your argument, but the point of using CG is to create convincing characters that are not simply just a man in a suit - and using mo-cap utilises an actor's performance, not just key frame animation. However, yep, the N'avi, while they look nice in terms of design, don't look like the photoreal characters Cameron said he was doing.
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that looked like gungans in some places
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Aug 20, 2009 9:46:18 AM CDT
when Worthington gets off the transport ship in the wheelchair..
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....check out that CG guy inside the mech-suit on the left of the frame. Fucking horrible.
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They're upset its not up to the standards of Transformers 2, Star Trek and Terminator: Salvation.
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That was incredible imo, breathtaking. I love the build up music in the trailer, it makes the film look epic. I bet we still get some haters though, it is AICN afterall.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:47:01 AM CDT
District 9 looked more real on a 30 million dollar budget!
by blackmantis
Cameron made the mistake of making his shots too beautiful, to the point that they look phony. Not impressed.
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Winning the Lotto, fucking a supermodel, being elected President... those are game changers for a person. Seeing a movie is simply giving 2 hrs of yourself for a diversion. So... relax.
Second, it's a fucking teaser. So, anyone saying this movie is shit already is entitled to their opinion, but it's not based on much substance at all.
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Then yeah...it's photo real.
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Sorry but I expected something...more. I'm tired of dodgy CGI creatures inhabiting dodgy CGI worlds, and this isn't, by the looks of things, going to be the one to change all of that after all. Despite the hype. Shame.
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I am still very much looking forward to seeing the film. I hope the story is good, as it should be. Story front and centre, it's method of execution as invisible as it can be.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:47:46 AM CDT
STARGATE UNIVERSE will be much better looking than this!
by dioxholsterunbound
MARK MY WORDS!!!
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That's what Cameron told us. This movie is going to "change everything". "Your eyeballs are going to be fucked" blah blah blah. If Cameron and everyone involved had just kept their fucking mouths shut and just released the movie without all the hyperbole, it may have been okay. But THIS?!?! Come on....
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that was Cameron - and he has to answer for the disappointment.
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Don't bitch at people who are pointing out how fake it looks. If Cameron hadn't made this into something it's not, none of these comments would exist. He deserves every bit of it.
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That work!!!
http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h480p .mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h720p .mov
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cant wait to see some Avatar porn, hehe :)
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When Cameron said "game changer" I think he was speaking in terms of the industry, not altering an permanently audience member's perception.
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Exactly. That music as the gunship flies past the floating mountains... if that doesn't get to you there really is no hope. Expert teaser in my book.
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Im kinda feeling this way, I love all James Camerons work, and Im sure I'll enjoy this movie, but now Im more excited for Chris Nolans trailer...the man who avoids cgi as much as possible.
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I'm saying I'm profoundly disappointed.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:49:57 AM CDT
http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr
by ironic_name
http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h1080p.mov
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Seriously - it looks like what my nieces watch on Saturday AMs on the Cartoon Network.
It's not REMOTELY by ANY stretch of ANY imagination 'photo real'. Not even close. What was Cameron thinking to convince himself otherwise?!?!
Christ - actors in make-up could make this thing look better. Cameron needs to shut the hell UP now and forget the bragging rights. Avatar should be promoted as a high tech adult animation film - not the be-all and end-all of SciFi 2009. -
...others, not so much. The aliens look spectacular but 'the world' shots look like something out of a video game.
I'm intrigued, but no, there isn't any eyeball penetration happening here.
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and you'll find you're making THAT into something its not.
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Who the hell coined that infantile temr anyway? It couldn't have been Cameron. More likely some dimwit TBer.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:50:39 AM CDT
...looks like the effort went into the models, not movement...
by flickapoo
...or physics...at least from this trailer.
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is on my end. None of these are working. Apparently that's okay, because the internet says it sucks. Thank you internet. www.agenesisfound.com
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I'm not sure what looks so shitty about this. I hope the CGI is polished up a bit more before release but it looks like a good sci-fi movie. Oh and District 9 was overrated.
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That looks like an xbox 360 game alright. Holy crap. :(
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there was `wonder`alright.I wondered what the fuck all the fuss is about.
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And that's the only one I looked at. I love the way nearly every second looked. I'm official excited. Everybody won't like it. Some people just want to hate. Some people probably pumped themselves up too much and expected more. I didn't expect that much. And I actually expected something quite different. It was just a trailer, so I won't get silly about it. But I challenge everyone, in a friendly way, to name something else that it looks like. Doesn't look like the Final Fantasy. Doesn't look like any Pixar film. Doesn't look like any Dreamworks Animation. I saw just a tiny bit of clunkiness in the Avatar's running scenes, but that could just be there mechanics. The humans didn't seem to have the same funky stride. Anyway, I'm excited to sit in a theater opening weekend and geek out now. It will actually be my first film I see with any kind of new 3D technology.
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and my eyeballs were molested
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Aug 20, 2009 9:51:19 AM CDT
The 15 minute preview will destroy this film.....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
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Anyone remember that awesome old ass video game? Thats was this reminds me of.
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And realize how painfully wrong you are.
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Glad I didn't imagine that.
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Just to throw that out there. It's the best thing about the teaser.
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Back, back to your McG/Abrams/Bay shitfests! Get back while you still can!
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With it was all a dream?
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after everything we've heard, it's little more than a CGI ferngully. Look at the shot of the ship landing in the forest, with the animal running away. That looks far too much like a painting, it's just not gritty enough to look anythign like real. And towards the end of the trailer, there's a non CGI shot of Worthington sandwiched between 2 effects shots, the difference is jarring. Like others have said, usually I hate the whining talkbackers, but this is leaving me with the same sense of disappointment as Phantom Menace. Sorry to be pessimistic dudes.
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Curious how the Sneak Preview preview will look compared to the online footage.
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and I'll probably watch it more before tomorrow. Quit whining, most of you people, and I include myself, are gonna see 16 minutes of it FOR FREE tomorrow anyways.
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Like someone pissed in your breakfast cereal. I admit the CG looks bad, I'm not disagreeing. But some of you come off like you're truly offended. Get a grip.
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I'm not going to dismiss this yet...
I mean we all know that all of you people saying "fuck this movie" right now are going to go running to see it when it comes out, and so will i.
But this really does look pretty errr.. standard...
Almost bad for the stuff we have seen lately.
Maybe this are old renders, don't know, and nobody is going to know until the movie comes out.
But i think that they should have done better for the teaser after all the hype...
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It looks a 1000 times better. I am sure on IMAX It's going to look even better.
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...have no idea how fucking hard it is to do what they are doing. And on the scale they are doing it. My hats off to them. It's amazing. I can't wait to see this film.
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expectations were heightened. maybe it's better this way.
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Are some of you realy watching the same trailer that i have?, this thing is jaw dropping.
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it is not supposed to be "just a movie", it's fuckin' 350 Millions US DOLLARS, not talking about additive P&A, and some formerly incredibly smart guy who took a huge huge bonerhead ("I'm the king of the World") and forgot to ask any talented guy : "do you believe this is good looking and finely executed ?". Guys at Fox lost their mind, will lose their jobs, and for all I loved in JC's career I'm sorry to say this is ugly as shit and not good CG at all. And no this universe does not look real and eyeballs blowing.
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I never understood the worship the geek community piles on him. But at the same time, it's a teaser and everyone seems to be up in arms.
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Which is totally awesome. Unhinged, creative fantasy.
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That guys got some acting chops! His use of wheel chair rivals Daniel Day Lewis. He embodies Stephen Hawking in the mere 5 seconds we saw him. He should star in everything!
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than today. This looks .... not good. No wonder there hasn't been any production stills. If the AVATAR preview tomorrow goes poorly then this movie is in serious trouble.Grain of salt: I thought TITANIC would be a huge flop too.
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Any studio dumb enough to write him a $350 million check deserves to have its ass kicked. That's just silly business right there. The moviegoing audience has shrunk considerably since even TITANIC. Fuck FOX, seriously. They make shitty movies all of the time, they deserve a major embarrassment.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:57:45 AM CDT
...for now the future is using CGI all the time but subtly...
by flickapoo
...in ways that are hard to spot. I still don't think these full CG onslaughts are working yet...
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this looks like a sci-fi film for the ages,of coarse it looks CGI...IT FUCKEN IS CGI.Awesome fantasy flick,cant wait.
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http://tinyurl.com/2llaxe
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absolutley
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Lets nail those Kilrathi bastards.
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Maybe we can lower them a little now. It looks good but my eyeballs are still virgins. I swear they used a Jumpback right in the middle of the trailer. At this point, it's pretty much a cliche to use a light tunnel effect to show any type of warp speed or mind transfer concept.
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Like Jurassic Park...made 16 years ago. The T-Rex still looks real. Look at it chasing Jeff Goldblum. Don't tell me that the CGI in Avatar looks more real than that. Seriously. Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if this teaser trailer is just filled with unfinished, quick-render stuff. I just can't believe that someone like Cameron could possibly think this looks realistic. But hey, maybe the secret is that it DOES take place in a videogame world and we don't find that out until the end...kind of like a Sixth Sense deal. Or maybe it's all in this paralyzed guy's mind and it isn't real. Please, tell me it's a videogame world and that Cameron doesn't really think this looks photo-real.
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I found nipple.
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i think most of you are still watching this trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYBRFJ9RArc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aintitcool.com%2Fnode%2F42095&feature=player_embedded
there is a new one thats out
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Just asking.
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but all the other CGI looks spotty, and not what I was hoping for.
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What is thy bidding my master?
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I've never seen it before. I like how it gives a specific geographic location in reference to the Hollywood sign. NOT SINCERE
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What a cock you are!
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It's all ass from now on. Failure is not a strong enough word for this load of bollocks.
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...I will be able to get past it. Will try though...
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District 9 was photo-real or at least as close as I've ever seen. This looks like a Peter Jackson flick and mind you - I'm only criticizing the CGI. I'm sure the story will be tops, but first impressions are key IMO especially when Cameron comes out of his mouth with all that "game changer" yang yang.
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seriously, it looks like a cartoon. Action cartoons rarely work. I see an almighty flop here, the action didn't even look that great.
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Loved it.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:01:14 AM CDT
Corvette Summer had better special effects.
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
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What is thy bidding my master?
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Aug 20, 2009 10:01:36 AM CDT
Maybe Cameron hasn't watched a film since 1997.....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....except Titanic. So to him, these effects are groundbreaking!
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Aug 20, 2009 10:01:40 AM CDT
well done, that trailer debut was completely ballsed up.
by mysterious_volvo
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and why do humans look cartoony or smoothed as well
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Aug 20, 2009 10:02:15 AM CDT
HEY CAMERON! how bout not lieing about making advancements in cg
by mysterious_volvo
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just not real at all
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in a good way
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...it fit in with the animated stuff..instead of the other way around.
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Save hundreds of millions of dollars. Seriously.
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Wheel chair guy becomes a fake blue guy to help infiltrate the world of Blue people, to aid humans in the fight to ummm set up a factory on their planet?
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This is a Jim Cameron film. As Jimm would say himself, "Fuck you or get out of the way" amen
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I think it just has too much hype. There's nothing "wrong" per se, but the CGI is hardly mind-blowing. Hell, it's pretty cartoony. The Na'vi look very 2 dimensional. Nowhere NEAR Gollum or even Jar Jar Binks! It could be a color problem like we saw with the first Hulk. Overall it looks cool, but it looks like a kid's fantasy adventure movie Like The Neverending Story or something, but in an odd mash-up with Aliens. This trailer definitely lowered my expectations significantly.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:04:59 AM CDT
Look at the shot of that Navi on the examination table looking a
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....the doctors standing on either side of him, don't look like they are looking at him. They look like they are looking up 3 feet behind him. its that goofy fucking CG perspective with the big ass feet that fucks up the whole shot and makes it look 'off' to the eye. Sloppy shit like will destroy this film. Cameron is a perfectionist my fucking ass....
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the movie is shit, looks like Need For Speed CARBON movie video
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he said, don't expect a Titanic or anything truly groundbreaking. Plus, in HD, the trailers look more clear, once its projected onto a giant screen, some of the grain will be restored and it should look fantastic.
I'm still a little disappointed though. But it's Cameron, his movies aren't all about the effects, he's a good storyteller, too.
I'll take this over Bay any day.
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720p:http://tinyurl.com/nasw6g1080p:http://tinyurl.com/nxkmqo
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Aug 20, 2009 10:05:31 AM CDT
I've seen the future! James Cameron in 2010
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
http://tinyurl.com/lexjfe
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I haven't read the script, but the success or failure will hinge on the story: Engaging characters, plot, etc. Look at King Kong and Sup Returns. People would have been a lot more forgiving of the sometimes less than perfect CGI if the scripts had been better. As genre fans, we should want his to be good and succeed. If it flops it will mean less cool fantasy/sci fi movies. Isn't that the whole reason we're here? Isn't this the kind of fantastical stuff that gets up excited? I'm neither a hater or apologist. I just want a cool freakin movie experience. Isn't THAT the whole idea??
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...looks like they realized that wasn't realistic for this movie so they tried to make the real look CG
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The stills we've seen up until now haven't been all that great and this trailer was just ok. Reserving judgement until I see the movie, but after seeing this I will be going in with much lowered expectations.
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Doesn't mean it'll be a bad movie, but this isn't a Star Wars type leap ahead in special effects.
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haha thats funny. they must need something else
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I can't fucking stand CGI heavy movies. Guillermo Del Toro's creatures look way better than this.
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why do u think they didnt show that shit earlier. seriously man ALiens looked way more real
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From the Hottie and the Nottie and the Waking Up In Vegas video and Matrix nerd from Grandmas Boy?
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You're the cock.
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oh god i can not see,i am blind aaarghghghg
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to Cameron's movie trailers he jerks off then snorts coke and kills a hooker
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I'm not sure about this anymore.
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It looks just like I knew it would. Green screen nonsense. FX driven shots that I could care less about. Creature designs that suck. I mean they are tall blue elves with very human features.Big fucking deal. And obviously this is going to be a story about a marine going native and helping the indians from the white devils trying to put them in reservations so later than can build casinos!
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Was over 10 years ago. Man I'm tired of all these reboots.
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I would consider myself a big Cameron fan so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt – but my immediate reaction is this looks pretty bad (as in had I seen this trailer and not known it was Cameron I wouldn’t think it would be something I’d need to see in the theater). The ending kiss scene looks straight out of some cheeseball video game cut scene. It makes me wonder if everybody n this board who are saying, wow revolutionary, great! Are the same people who still think the new Star Wars trilogy is good. Just seeing this makes me think you’ll see Watchmen like performance – a big first weekend bump from the sci-fi geeks than a big drop-off from people who think it’s just another Beowulf-ish experiment.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:09:19 AM CDT
Remember Jimmy Boy. ALWAYS use people in suits....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
...dumb fuck.
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Guys you do not know what you are in for. Cameron, as opposed to McG, Bay, etc. is a real filmmaker. He knows how to build suspense and immerse you in a world. Gollum wasn't "photo real" either, but you cared about his performance. This movie in 3d on a big screen will astonish. Bless you Cameron for taking the time to make something amazing and original.
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Sigourney was the voice of the computer.
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Sigourney is the crazy lady that lives in the jungle with blue apes.
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Sigourney was the mech technician.
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Which is ironic seeing as though District 9 is blowing Avatar away. If you don't have the capability, technology, and vision, to convincingly portray an alien world in CGI, don't do it. They could have used real rainforest here on Earth for Pandora, look at all 3 Jurassic Park movies, those fight scenes in the jungle looked superb.
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I know they're fluid in motion etc, etc but they do look a little bit camp!
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Sigourney was the lady that reads off what the computer is saying.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:11:50 AM CDT
300 million? This is the kinda shit destroying the film industry
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
Good work James!!! What do you give a fuck anyway? You have your fucking underwater docs to fall back on.
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It never will be. There needs to be some disconnect in your mind from the fact that you are watching a CG special effect. You've never seen an 8 foot tall hippie alien. How the hell do you know how it looks? Also, at an expense of $240 million, don't you think they have just about the best technology/artists money can buy these days?
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coz the images look like a Japanese cartoon. like those mechs
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..just having a discussion,who insists the whole film is CGI.I thought the scenes such as Worthington in the wheelcahir etc were 100% human actors,he says they are CGI rendered.
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...Your hate never suprises me but even i am a little suprised by the hate for this. The film looks amazing and its only because of the sweeping camera shots and all the alien stuff that your brain knows must be fake and thats why it doesn't look real (by the way, how do you know alien worlds and aliens themselves don't look and move exactly like in this teaser?). distric 9 looked so good due to the earth setting, on'y the aliens and the hazy ship in the background was cgi and thats a lot easier for your brain to accept, also the documentary style as oppose to sweeping impossible camera shots like in Avatar certainly help your brain to accept it more. AVATAR will blow everyone away at the cinema, gauranteed.
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I do like some of the Roger Dean-ish planetscapes. But in HD it really does look like World of Warcraft cut scenes. Only bluer.
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Which is fine by my standards. You're a bunch of fags.
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Sigourney is the gatekeeper. Are you the keymaster?
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Aug 20, 2009 10:12:44 AM CDT
Saying this looks better than King Kong is fucking crazy
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
hate on the movie all you want, but the Kong CG itself was fucking amazing.
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I read the script years ago. You pretty much nailed it on the head as to what it's about.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:13:11 AM CDT
Just consider that a large portion of the CGI in this trailer
by yackbacker
Is being shown in slow-motion. That may be screwing with your perception of it as well.
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That's what impression I'm getting here.
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nothing too exciting on show. I still think the film will be awesome but I don't think they have enough material at this point to deliver a great trailer, which is I guess why this is billed as a teaser
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Sigourney was Alvy's Date Outside Theatre. Ok I'm done.
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and that was 4 years ago
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Anyone else getting the feeling AVATAR is going to be a mega-bomb? I know I am.
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must just fuck off and DIE
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...scenes as well or better than anyone...you find yourself tensing up even if you don't ant to...
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pathetic
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Sad. Nice execution by the artists involved, however no hint of originality whatsoever. It's late 80's Sci-Fi designs ported to 21st century CG. Eye-candy for geeks mired in "Aliens" hardware worship.
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I watched it 5 times so far. I truly love it! I am not sure about the navi, but once we get use to them it will be fine. as far the CGI concerned it is about the level of the Star Wars prequels and I think it is fine. CG in the star wars movies were never an issue to me (apart from some cheap looking bluescreen compositing) thinking about seeing it in IMAX 3D... all we can hope for. I personaly don't give a fuck if people like it or not it just make me sad we get film like this in every 10 year (yes) and people waste it on sensless hate. Good for you people (no, its not) For me, december cannot come fast enough
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...came to mind: 'Ferngully' and 'preachy-humans-are-evil-environmental-message-guilt-trip-movie'. The aliens and some of the action looks fine, but you get a sense of what the story is going to be from the trailer, and I'm sensing...Ferngully II: Avatar.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:15:12 AM CDT
Fox News has better animation than this.
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
And that's Mr. Nice Anus' home turf.
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where is the slow motion man? and you want it like james bond QOS so we cant see shit so we dont see what crappy visuals they really are.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:15:28 AM CDT
king kong's landscapes and animals weren't as good as that trail
by ironic_name
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meh. eye balls certainly not fucked.
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If this blows up, maybe Cameron will be forced to make another Aliens or Terminator film to redeem himself….then again, we might just get Titanic II.
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That looks fucking awesome. Cameron's been playing too much Halo it seems, but it looks great.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:16:06 AM CDT
I'd hate to be Cameron's spouse tonight.
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
The fists will fly.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:16:11 AM CDT
Worthington in the wheelchair getting off the ship....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
...looks absolutely CG. His face looks almost as bad as Merry and Pippin's pasted on faces while getting carried away at the end of FOTR.
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I can't believe how badly they've buggered this up. Doesn't someone at AINTITCOOL have a contact over at Apple or Fox that can say "Hey, maybe you guys should pull this thing since it's kind of making you look bad."
Thinking about the CG, the comparison to the hulk is pretty apt, who didn't look as bad once he got dirty. The thing that automatically let me down was seeing that Mech in the background when our hero wheels himself off the transport. That thing looks like it was ripped straight from Poser. Very plastic, Very fake. The same with the Transports flying through the Pandorian skies. There's practically no atmosphere. Nothing that muddies the shot up and makes it look real as opposed to fantasy mall art. I know it's a strange new world, but come on. Give the eye an anchor, will yah? The Navi also seem to lack a bit of grit. Maybe they'll look better when they get something on them but there's still a weight issue. Everything seems to be really light and cloth has this fat cartoony feel to it. It's as if the computer can't figure out cloth weigh, or hanging physics. Nothing mind blowing here.
This is sad, because this thing is largely being sold on how impressive it's special effects are going to be. And I'll be honest, the story concept wasn't really that interesting to begin with. It just sounded like a plot device to get into a mess of CG effects but I thought, hey if the fireworks are going to be good I'll pay to see that.
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Its not 100% CG, its a mix of live action and animation.
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from the "Greetings. I live Pandora" trailer were real after all.
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... is spend the GDP of a small nation on creating a movie that looks a LITTLE better-rendered but imagewise is essentially the same as this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgQ_ichSL9A ... mixed with this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkV-of_eN2w ... mixed with this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qd_IsxgAf8 ... Sorry, on the premiere day I'll be painting with the colors of MY wind in terms of my excitement over this project.
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my reaction to this is - meh ...
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THIS is what we have been told is going to rape our eyeballs and change the game and all of that hyperbolic horseshit? THIS is what they are having a special day for that people are shitting themselves to get tickets to see? I really hope the final product is more than that trailer because I'd hate to see Cameron's triumphant return end up being a fizzling bomb.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:16:43 AM CDT
Worthington in the wheelchair coming out of the plain is cgi
by mysterious_volvo
you can tell because he moves shit.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:17:22 AM CDT
Cameron is reading this....you bet your fucking ass on that....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
and that Worthington delivery of "THIS IS GREAT" in the Navi body was fucking atrocious.
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The shots of the Avatar waking up, the shots of his Avatar hooking up with the lady Na'vi... all slow-motion.
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...will be brutalized by me in the theater. That's not to say that I'm in stark defense of this film. But you're all ignorant fools who have been wrong many times in the past. Chalk another one up for your judgemental and ignorant existances.
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...I guess wheelchair technology hasn't caught up in this future.
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you've totally lost me. What are you babbling about?
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Hilarious. it really does look a lot like Delgo.
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...but this just looks too much like a damn xbox game!! Did somebody forget to push the photo realistic button?......just sayin'.
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Thanks mate.So,for instance,the guy with the scar is real and Worthington in the wheelchair?
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have u read at all the interview cameron gave to aicn during comicon? go to the part where he says that one of the movies bigchallenges is to make the audience immerse to these alien characters and their world.And from the screen previews he already did,he witnessed that at first the audience had difficulty to think of the aliens as alive and not fake,not CG images.but quickly they got immersed into the movie,their mind let accept the photorealistic creatures as something real,as real as the real life actors of the movie.its all in the mind.
In other words,your brain cant comprehend the image of the navi alien,because it hasnt seen a navi before,so it acknowledges as fake and as a result u get the impression that is cartoony.
BUT download the HD version and look the navi when its in the table.DONT look its head,look his feet,look his hnds,look his skin how interact with the light and how it looks compared to the real actors in the scne.
Now tell me does its cgi photorealism looks to u worse or even the same as those of TF2,GIJOE,D9 or even LOTR gollum?
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Another thing, will people please realise that this is not Beowulf i.e. everything is cgi, AVATAR is like Sky Captain where the humans and some of the sets are all real and only the background, aliens, Pandora etc are cgi.
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Seasoned veteran known for pioneering FX returns to the game with much hype and anticipation. Few months before release, a scrappy upstart (D9 in this case) steals the thunder. Lets just hope Avatar is better than EP 1, but the similarity is uncanny.
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so shut up. fucking whining yanks.
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YOU ARE RIGHT! HAHAHAHA! This is a SciFi Dances with Wolves!!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 10:20:04 AM CDT
This is going to be the exact reversal of Phantom Menace
by kwisatzhaderach
People complaining the trailer is shit, then getting their head fucking blown off in the theater.
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"we don't know what aliens or an alien world looks like....so who's to say it doesn't look like a Xbox 360 game?" That's pretty much the gist of it. I didn't want to hate this. I still am not passing judgment on the movie itself until I see it. I'm just going on what Cameron himself has been saying for the past 3 years. But so far this ain't all that...
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$350 million vs. $30 million. And the $30 million flick looks way better.
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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/the-wolfman.html?showVideo=1
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Guess they finally fixed it. Good work....
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You've got to be kidding me. That was excellent CGI. The haters just don't suspend disbelief, so nothing looks real. I'll bet you the same people would have made the same complaints about ugly optical effects, were those the ones employed.
As a person who actually knows a thing or two about CGI, and actually remembers what old CGI looks like, I can say that this is some excellent animation, and excellent rendering.
The Problem we have here is that many of the talkbackers want the film to fail. So they nitpick. The reality is, most people won't nitpick. Most people will look at and just experience it.
Anything done through special effects will look unreal if you look at it hard enough. Stop motion will give itself away through its jerkiness. Models by their scale of detail. Matte Paintings through their painted appearance. Optical composites through the matte lines, the generational degradation, and the problems with reflections.
Everything unreal falls apart in a movie if you're looking to nitpick it. The best way to judge work is to relax, soak it in, and then judge. But that means losing control a little. However, you're judge an artform where absorption of that kind is part of the point. -
Right. All those portions were shot on live action sets. It goes CG when they head out into the jungle. (One exception being the shot where Worthington wheels himself out of the ship, clearly a CG background).
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This doesn't seem like my type of movie. I could never hate on James Cameron after he dazzled me with Terminator 2 as a boy and made me literally weep in public during multiple showings of Titanic, but this just didn't excite me. But then, fantasy has never been my thing. If Harry gives it a positive review I'll give it a shot, but in all honesty... if I hadn't heard the hype or known who was directing I don't think I'd have finished watching the trailer. Good or bad, nothing could tarnish James Cameron in my eyes though. I applaud his experimentation.
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seems to be the bane of CGI's existence. Where are dirty grainy seems to work better for CGI. crazy because it was such a huge deal in the early 90's to get dirty and grainy CGI. any thoughts?
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Seriously. Somebody swings for the bleachers and you guys dump on them. What makes me sick is that the studios really do read these things and attach weight to what you idiots say and think. The images look much better on a big screen and in their proper context. Just wait.
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I looked at the shot of the Navi on the table. That horribly retarded perspective with feet far too big to attempt to give the shot depth, and the doctors looking at a mark 3 feet behind the CG Navi's head. Yeah it looks like fucking ass. i'm not talking texture or lighting (that looks like shit as well) i'm speaking of placement of the character. sloppy fucking work.
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anyone know?
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i was not impressed by this trailer at all :( Hopefully tomorrows screening fixes my dissapointment.
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ILM kicks WETA'S ass. Nuff' said. I do want to see the movie though.
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I am not impressed with the CGI. I'm not saying the movie doesn't look mildly entertaining but c'mon JC! We've waited 12 years for you to make a real kick ass movie ala Aliens, T2 or True Lies. This looks like child's play with CGI characters that not only do not suspend any sort of disbelief, but are distracting and pull you out of the movie. Somebody tell JC to call Peter Jackson so he can teach him how to make realistic CGI characters. Where's Gollum when you need him?
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through the leaves in the jungle... that's pretty exceptional CG there. Look at the details on the skin texture.
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Some of the CGI is a bit wonky. But it's not awful.
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why take someone elses name?
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.....SO bored with CGI characters in movies now!
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It LOOKS pretty good, but I still can't see myself getting too amped for the story, and I'm already finding quite an uncanny valley in my empathy for the Narnia Centaur-looking muhfugs. Still, though, I can say this is visually impressive. www.agenesisfound.com
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Soon to be serving the finest french fries in Southern California.
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Yes.....biatch;-)
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Yes.....biatch;-)
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Yes.....biatch;-)
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you cock
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and in IMAX 3-D at that. Still, I'll see it...eco-fuck message and all. Can't wait for the game...hope it allows me to be the door gunner...killin spear and arrow chuckin Na'vi looks like fun.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:25:58 AM CDT
And no cgi is crap,when it makes me pay attention in Neutiris as
by ominus
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My enthusiasm went from 10 to 0 so fast I got whiplash. The first 20 seconds are cool, and then the 'nav'i' show up. What was Cameron thinking?? "I want to make something bad-ass. I know, ten foot tall versions of the puppets from Dark Crystal, with a little bit of smurf thrown in!"
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WETA is no competition.
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...its all about the movement.
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think this looks very good. Exiting stuff. I don't care who you are. If you´re trying to sell me something, I will always take everything you say with a grain of salt..Therefore, I'm not bummed out, as many seems to be in this TB. It's a movie, not the fuckin second coming..
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A program called "flashgot" (firefox plugin) allowed me to grab it.
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...him saying "This is great". The emotion is real you can feel it. I'm so excited for tomorrow. In Cameron we trust.
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try not to be blind of your hate.
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No, actually. It looks jittery because they've slowed down a shot that was filmed normal speed, so they're duplicating some of the 24 frames in order to increase the length of the shot. It has nothing to do with the CG. It's the frame rate.
I can't believe some of the people here. Sure, if you don't like the premise or the universe, that's fine. But to say it looks like a video game just makes it sound like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've gone through this thing frame-by-frame, and the rendering and effects here are amazing. There's subtle stuff going on that can only be appreciated when you're actually watching it for extended periods of time (not to mention we don't even get the 3D here). Is it completely photo-real, indistinguishable to the eye? No. But it's still some of the most impressive and immersive effects work that's ever been done. -
Fin.
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About damn time. some footage, its all i wanted. Now I want to see this. looks badass.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:27:54 AM CDT
My eyes are dripping with JC's Semen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
Seriously, what's the big deal here? Looks interesting but it's a CGI flick. I don't see anything "so revolutionary" about the CGI in this trailer.
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http://tinyurl.com/b8j8ht
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That's an incredible shot.
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Good luck finding happiness in the world, gents.
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they dont blend with the Tech of that universe
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Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:29:03 AM CDT
Good post ominus. I haven't laughed like that in a while.
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
Like I need a rule book/set of directions to "get" a movie? Fuck that. And fuck you.
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That's what I take from that, we'll see if it looks any better at the preview tomorrow.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:30:02 AM CDT
WETA will be doing ILM's system maintenance....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....in the next 5 years.
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All of us verbally kicking the shit/or praising a trailer in the medium we love and all of us verbally kicking the shit/praising each other,knowing full well most of us are posting each insult with a wry grin and the thought that we actually would share a beer with everyone here.
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is where it's at.
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Dumbass DGDB hates T2.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:30:29 AM CDT
Yeah, kwisatzhaderach I think people will do an about-face
by yackbacker
When this comes out, they'll say "OMFG!" etc. I am not a huge Cameron fan, I think he's a maudlin storyteller, heavy-handed with the characterizations, etc. But this looks damn interesting. Of course, I'm not expecting eyeball fellatio, or whatever these people were praying for. It's just a movie... and this one is looking good.
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You guys are two discernable gents. What's your overall opinion of this here trailer? (Unfortunately, I cannot view it while at work.)On a side note, it looks like some of the girls from AIBN have come out to play. Keep your eyes on those underscore bitches.
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Seriously? I haven't seen the Trailer...i'm saving my eyes for Avatar Day. But C'mon...you Motherfuckers BITCH about every Goddamned movie. EVERY FUCKING ONE. I know that some shit needs to haveit's ass raped for shittiness...Can we say Van Helsing? Come the fuck on man...Avatar? Seriously? No wonder why Kevin Smith made JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK. You BitchTits are LOCO. I wish I could see ONE, just ONE fucking movie that you dickshits didn't rip a new one. Spazzes.
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I don't think people want to see this thing fail. It's just that after the "Lord of the Rings" series, people have HIGH expectations for what CGI characters are supposed to look and 'feel" like. I don't want to "suspend disbelief"... I WANT TO BELIEVE that what I am seeing on the screen is REAL, not spent the whole movie trying to convince my brain that what I am seeing is real. This looks good, just not good enough. Like I said before, in my opinion, this really does look like "Delgo" to me. LOTR changed my perception of what CGI and CGI characters could be. Gollum felt like a living, breathing real creature. This just doesn't do it for me and after sing this trailer, Its changed my expectations for the film and my exitement for it. I love JC movies and am not a hater, just a realist.
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The way the male avatar's ears and features kind of stretch back like a cat reacting with surprise or danger when faced with one of those flying things coming at him. Little details like that are becoming more obvious with each viewing. I think many of you will be surprised when you finally see it in 3d, with longer to gaze upon the characters in full resolution. I get the feeling this is going to spawn a generation of new furries and a renewed interest in consumer VR head-tracking, head mounted or retinal displays. Bring it on.
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Ok, Harry I can understand: the man likes just about everything enthusiastically and there is that part of him that comes of as a shill (which I don't mind, btw). Quint seems like the only level headed person on this site (in regards to Avatar). How anyone can be excited by the terrible looking aliens is beyond me... They look like something out of a bad video game.
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Ok, Harry I can understand: the man likes just about everything enthusiastically and there is that part of him that comes of as a shill (which I don't mind, btw). Quint seems like the only level headed person on this site (in regards to Avatar). How anyone can be excited by the terrible looking aliens is beyond me... They look like something out of a bad video game.
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Any of you haters still trashing this movie just on principal officially are dead inside.
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...50 times more than The Matrix. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Not the furries. ahem.
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Upon finally seeing the entire thing, I have to say: This is quite good. It has all the hallmarks of a Cameron Epic (including all the naysayers being proven wrong eventually)...
I remember how everybody was beginning to trash titanic: Then, it won 11 oscars and made 1.8 billion world wide. Then people shut up...for a while at least. AND THEN -
Holy Hell. I expected disappointment - but no where NEAR this level. WHAT.THE.FUCK. was Cameron thinking?!?!
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screengrabs from the trailer.and yes the motion of these images will be fantastic in the big screen.
http://tinyurl.com/lbw7ue
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Aug 20, 2009 10:32:32 AM CDT
It looks like SW prequels and the Matrix sequels...
by jon_snow_targaryan
Had a retarded baby.
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Someone in the other TB said it best. It's not REVOLUTION as we were told but it is EVOLUTION and I think a landmark film. well done, Mr. Cameron.
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It's growing on me. Now that the hype balloon has been deflated.
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Great, more shitty, cartoon-looking CGI. I was trying to be cautiously optimistic for this, but by God, this looks shit. Not feeling the face-fuckingness, here...I was going to go to the screening tomorrow based on this trailer, so looks like I won't be going. Anyone want a ticket to the AMC Lowes in NYC?
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kinda hot
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well, I hope it will, anyway.
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Weird. The fx are cool but the lead guy is dull as door nails and I'm not really getting much human connection with this.
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On first viewing the CG does look a little cartoonish. But when you go back and rewatch the detail is astonishing. It looks and feels like Cameron, awesome use of music. There's clearly a story and a sense of wonder involved. Some epic battle shots towards the end. Be excited.
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I've long felt this movie was more hype than hip but now that I've experienced the aforementioned "eyefuckery" all I can say is...I feel so fucking vindicated. This CGI is the worst since Lucas. Good luck, Cameronfags. I'll save my money for Nolan's Inception.
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This mostly resembles a 3D Miyazaki adventure, and that's A OK in my book! Will it be a mega hit? Probably too hardcore sci-fi for that, but if the story and 3D hold up, it could have humongous legs.
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OMFG ITS SO FAKE,SO FAKE:
http://tinyurl.com/lt5rv2
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The more I watch this trailer, the more I want to see it. It has a THE MATRIX meets KING KONG (on the Island scenes) feel to it. I think it should do well this December, but I get the feeling a star would have sold the film better. Say Tom Cruise instead of Sam Worthington. Heck, Schwarzenegger would have been an awesome cripple and bad ass ape size AVATAR if he wasn't Governor. Welcome back JAMES CAMERON! This film looks epic and awesome. I know your next film is with ARNOLD, so why not remake WESTWORLD!?
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Exactly.
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I don't want it District 9 gritty - I want it beautiful: and it was - looking forward to tomorrow at real IMAX. The reason it doesn't look real is simple: it's not.
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...no dialogue, ande the only story element you glean from this is that Sam Worthington uses his Avatar to walk again. No mention of what the conflict is, where they are, etc. And why did we have to see that monster jump out of the woods twice? And the aliens don't look especially tall or especially alien.
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amazing detail,and incredible photorealism.
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What was supposed to blow me away about this film? It looks interesting (story wise)... obviously CGI... lots of the production pieces seem to be influenced by his prior films. *shrug*
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that's what we've been waiting for? a FINAL FANTASY reboot?
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3 or 4 times. Massive box office winner. Avatar is for young boys what Titanic was for teenage girls.
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Avatar isn't even out yet. It's also not the same kind of movie, other than the fact that both are science fiction - a very broad umbrella indeed.
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This looks fucking kickass, Anthony Hopkins rules!
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Will you haters yelling 'TANK!" please do the honorable thing and kill yourselves?
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haters will switch sides. And by haters, I mean people who think it looks like Ferngully, not people who actually have valid criticisms along with their anticipation. If you think this looks like a cross between Ferngully and Beowolf, please watch it again and get your eyes checked. I think it just looks a *tiny* bit less than my wishes and dreams. Just a tad bit cartoony, but an obvious leap forward. VERY obvious. As in... if you don't see it, you're blind. Uncanny valley still hasn't been "escaped", but we are getting very, very close.
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I was thinking the same thing... the whole 3D crap will be the selling point... the CGI looks like something out of 10,000 BC.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:38:23 AM CDT
Thank God the innocence of my eyeballs is still intact...
by 7pointedstar
That... was underwhelming. I'm sure Cameron is saving all his money shots for the theatrical trailer, but still... I'm just not that impressed.
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Wait there is no Wolfman trailer TB. Actually we'll call it let down of the day #2 trailer talkback. Save for Anthony Hopkins.
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Upon finally seeing the entire thing, I have to say: This is quite good. It has all the hallmarks of a Cameron Epic (including all the naysayers being proven wrong eventually)...
I remember how everybody was beginning to trash titanic: Then, it won 11 oscars and made 1.8 billion world wide. Then people shut up...for a while at least. AND THEN...Suddenly, after titanic achieved so much more success (including album sales and video/dvd sales), People started trashing it again...calling it a 200 million chick flick, etc etc, and how it only made money 'cause of DiCaprio, blah blah blah.
You people are pathetic. Trashing for trashing's sake. It's so much easier to trash this, than something like District 9. I have seen District 9, and it's a great film, but just because it cost a lot less and was a lot less anticipated, doesn't mean you should take it more seriously than an event film like Avatar.
I bet you any money after District 9 becomes a classic within the next few months, you'll see the first nay sayers popping up talking about how silly it was...In fact, it's already started in the IMDB forums...
Anyway, back to Avatar. While it isn't the second coming of christ (and I don't recall Cameron ever intending for it to be), it surely is imaginative, intriguing and broad in scope. I have confidence that this is going to be a great film. So you people sitting here on your fat, hairy undeserved asses, should shut the fuck up and stop crying like cretins, just because you are unimportant and have achieved nothing in your lives, besides chilling out on AICN along with your equally insipid pals.
Cameron is in his position because he has achieved a lot of success in his life. I understand when people like you get angry at the likes of Shyamalan or Anderson, because it also pisses me off that idiots like them get funding for repeated failures in the past.
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i thought cameron understood this.
i'd like to see him make a movie for $30 million.
or, where do you suppose that other $320 went?
marketing?
cocaine and whores?
are we sure he didn't just hire the team who is making the game to do the CGI for the film?
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Is that this is going to be a fairly straightforward story, similar to what someone said earlier- DANCES WITH WOLVES. There will be an element of the Vietnam war mixed in too (a military-industrial power being fended off by a native, low-tech people). Nothing I've seen here or have read makes me think this is a philosophically complex story, which is pretty much par for the Cameron course.
Visually, I like what I see. I think a lot of thought has gone into the designs and I am looking forward to them in full motion, without any "trailer-editing" fades and slow-motion gags. I think the trailer itself is a B- it shows off something new, but at the same time I agree that the CG *looks* bad in a few places. They would have been better off just showing 2 minutes of actual footage- maybe a battle or the waking of Sully's Avatar.
I've said above, I'm not a Cameron fanboy. I think he's a heavy-handed storyteller. He wants you to FUCKING laugh when he wants you to and CRY when he wants as well. Filmmaking is a form of emotional manipulation, but he is a real dick about it sometimes. But I am very interested in seeing this movie. -
...the more I like it. But it's the N'avi's eyes whihc seem to be giving their CGness away to me.
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Cool. I'm excited but not insanely so. After being thoroughly impressed with DISTRICT 9, I'm just curious to see what Cameron has in mind when it comes to aliens, world creation and so forth.
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like used makeup and stuff. wouldve been more convincing
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Say what you will about the movie, but the trailer really got people in the theater. i don't think the same thing is gonna happen here.
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THE TRUE LIES and THE ALIENS...
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Learn how to make paragraphs.
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because you know that stuff like that doesn't exist. If there would be CGI cow with the same detail in the shot you couldn't tell if it was real or not.
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Outstanding quality. I didn't even know I needed glasses a few months ago. Perhaps a percentage of people here have sight problems they're not aware of. Cannot wait for tomorrow to come.
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Is the Box-Office Opinion.
You all hated TRANSFORMERS 2, but people went out in Droves, You all hated SPEED RACER (not me) and it FLOPPED at the box-office. We the people vote with out dollars, and I pretty much GUARANTEE that AVATAR will be voted very high this year with those dollars.
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...is that it?!?
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Took the time to register to say that this looks way too cartoony to be taken seriously. Not really excited at all to see this.
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I don't give a shit if it's photorealistic or not. It looks great. We'll have to wait and see if it actually *is* great.
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....but there's no doubt a lot of this is about as 'natural'-looking as this - http://www.dangerouslyasian.com/AvatarJarJar.jpg (remove any spaces that might show in that link there)>P>The fact is this thing WILL look fantastic in all it's 3D big screen glory....but in 2D, it's just got too much of a videogame CGI 'cut-scene' sheen to it, albeit a great one. I have a feeling I'll care more for the shoot-'em-ups than for the implausible 'inter-species' romance between 2 Jar Jar clones....
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Aug 20, 2009 10:44:48 AM CDT
Anyone that gets mad at people for trashing shit they don't know
by series7
Must be new. This site thrives off of hate. I'm pretty sure its a monster living in Harry's stomach ala Quato. It grows bigger and stronger with hate.
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There was an interview where Cameron said it's the 3D that (supposedly) convinces your brain that it's real and not CG. So take the 2D teaser with a pinch of salt. Even in 2D after you've seen it a few times you start to notice the details. Although the Na'vi faces do look a little static to me. I was expecting the faces to be a bit more expressive? But hey it's barely 2 minutes of it, I'll be in the queue for it come December!
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Looks like a blueman version of 'Last of the Mohicans' . I dont undersatnd if they wanted to create totoally cgi ' actors/creatures' why make them look so similar to humans, i dont see the point
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Aug 20, 2009 10:44:59 AM CDT
couldn't they have just hired basketball players and painted the
by magic rat
I mean, would the audience really notice the difference between a 7-foot blue alien and a 8-foot blue alien?
Outside of the ears (and tail), those blue creatures look just like those young European basketball centers that come to the NBA, all awkward and gangly. I'm sure there were at least a dozen Cameron could have gotten for the movie. -
You're right, subtle ain't in the Cameron lexicon. And this is definitely a 'soldier going native' story. Cameron said he looked at 'Emerald Forest' and 'At Play in the Fields of the Lord' going into it. But at least we're getting a story. What was the story in 'Star Trek'? Or 'Terminator Salvation'? Cameron is a storyteller. Bay, Abrams and McG ain't.
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i already mentioned the motion of the skin (essentially the texture of the cgi) when the navi is on the table.watch it,pay attention to how interacts with the light,how the shadow appear and disappear,make also a comparison of the real life actors in the same.now imagine that in the big screen,not in a hdtv or monitor.is it bad,one of the same,good or great?
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Aug 20, 2009 10:46:30 AM CDT
as j_difool said, its the lack of shadows that is the problem
by dioxholsterunbound
they need to put shadows in there to create realism. or else it would look like a bad video game
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I don't get it.. We've got the technology to create awesome photo realistic creatures and worlds never before seen, so why have we ended up with a slightly distorted humanoid blue bi-pedal creature? Was CGI even needed for these guys? Some basketballers and some prosthetics could've come close to this. The tiger stripes and the pointy ears kinda remind me of Star Trek where the budget limited them to only create alien races by adding prosthetics to human faces, or like when they updated the design of Godzilla because the old one looked like a guy in a suit... only to design a creature that looking like a guy in a slightly more expensive suit. Couldn't they at least have positioned the eyes in a different position? The CGI in District 9 was technically of lesser quality, but the designs at least felt alien and justified the CGI approach.
Also why do the landscapes look like a floating version of the Blue Mountains in Australia? Glad the photo reference trip paid off for the matte painting team.. but for some reason I was expecting a truely otherworldly experience with unique plant life not just a hodge-podge ripoff of our own world.
I mean what are the chances in this universe of finding life on a planet so similar to ours? Even on our own planet there are creatures and environments that are far more alien to us than this. The Abyss had AWESOME alien creatures. What happened? I hope tomorrow goes better, and I don't come away feeling like this is just an expensive sequel to Arthur and the Invisibles. -
when the gunship flies past the floating mountains...check out the rockface detail!!
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Certainly not on the level of genre-defining entertainment such as LotR and the original Star Wars that we were lead to believe. I'll still see it, obviously...as others have said, hopefully it'll look better in 3D. But this is a major letdown...also, notice Jake's Avatar's mouth doesn't even match his THREE WORDS of dialogue. Not a good sign...
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His accent sound odd, like English may be his second language (and he just learned it for this movie). But Anthony was looking pretty bad ass. Almost wish Anthony was the Wolfman instead.
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Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I'm not defending the film itself, I've only seen 26 minutes of it. But to say the effects are cartoony and horrible, it just makes you look foolish. Because they don't and you're wrong. The rendering on these creatures is quite amazing. They have pores, they have tear ducts, small little facial tics. Every little subtle piece of facial movement that we see in humans has been transferred here. The movement is quote incredible as well, although we don't have context for a lot of these scenes (the hospital scene looks spazzy, but that's only because the character is supposed to be groggy and tripping around, and the one piece of movement we see is of the avatar stumbling forward and catching himself on the glass). Say what you want about the content of the story, but to make idiotic statements that are clearly nothing more than exaggerated whining and bitching just makes it harder for this to be a place to actually dicuss film.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:48:52 AM CDT
...the only problem I see is the movement...body and face.
by flickapoo
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Your opinion ceased to be valid the second you lumped Abrams in with Bay and McG.
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I'd bang that blue chick
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...it's going to be a pretty cool film no matter what. Hype or no hype. It may not be the best filim ever and it may exceed our expectations. Either way the world is a better place with a new Cameron film in it.
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Sorry. Is Harry still upset about that One Hour Photo guy pussing out on this or something?
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http://tinyurl.com/mws7h9
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...worse by comparison.
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It looks like the kind of movie you get when a creative as fuck Director is given free reign and he decides to show us a world we've only ever dreamed about.
Fuck the naysayers - I've never been to Pandora in real life to see what a Na'Vi actually looks like so I'm sure as hell going to take James Cameron's word for it. -
I thought the trailer was beautiful - truly breathtaking. I guess I can understand people not liking it but I don't get the hate - you're bashing it when you've seen two minutes of footage and not even in 3D. It seems as if some of you would only be satisfied if Cameron had actually somehow genetically engineered the Na'vi for real and filmed them instead.
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The Wheelchair work in X-Men 1 looked better then Best Actor nominie for Avatar, Sam Worthington's wheelchair.
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http://tinyurl.com/mws7h9 see that blue chick in the back. thats the one i would fuck if i had a chance
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You can go back to your Blomkamp circle jerk now.
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Those other directors you mention are not storytellers, you're right. They're technicians, moving equipment around to make things go boom, etc.
I'm mostly excited by the fact that this isn't a remake, adaptation or some other rehash. That's why D-9 worked so well- it wasn't an established "property." I hope AVATAR is good. I don't need it to bring me to Nirvana. Just take me to someplace new and interesting for a couple of hours. That's why I love movies, that's why I go to see them. -
MUCH better than this, and I loathe the Idiot Johnston for that fucked-up clusterfuck that killed off the JP franchise...still, I'll take Rick Baker over excessive CGI crap any day of the week.
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looked like.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:52:36 AM CDT
...in fact, the better the rendering the heavier the burden...
by flickapoo
...on the animation.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:52:56 AM CDT
dixholster, that looks like a possibly real alien planet
by ironic_name
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http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol not this avatar crap
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Aug 20, 2009 10:53:00 AM CDT
When it works it is awesome, when the CGI is crappy - it sucks.
by kellek1974
Yes when Sam smiles - Totally awesome. The avatar in the tank and waking up etc - awesome. Creature in woods with "wet look" CGI - looks great! The bamboo looks great.
Sam landing and wheeling off and looking around at beginning - TOTALLY CRAP CGI, looked like video game footage. When the aircraft flys in and you see CGI guys hanging off - again crappy CGI.
Still waiting for last 10 seconds to load....
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It's all ther ein the N'avi. Until I see their eyes. But eyes are tricky buggers to get right, in puppets or CG. The environment looks great, so far. But I don't think that the filmmakers should be relying on 3D too much for the effects to looks better or there's going to be a lot of annoyed 2D viewers who have no choice given their location or circumstances. I might get over the eyes when I see it in proper action/context as part of an emotionally compelling story. Oh, and Star Trek did have a story.
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Sorry guys. I have th epatience to see this on the big screen.
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Spot on, they're technicians.
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I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALL EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THIS. THESE CREATURES AMAZE YOU AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:53:35 AM CDT
even though I'm underwhelmed, I'll still see it. and so will you
by ironic_name
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Seriously? I've seen this story enough times that I think I've already seen this movie. They just set it in Jurassic Park.
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...at long last. So will Robert E. Howard's devotees, and Lovecraftians, and Terry Pratchett.
The teaser looks great and I want to see it of course and I'll overlook the eco-message's apparent preachey-ness and the ferngully parallels, but throughout the reel I constantly flashed on the idea that at long-last some of Edgar Rice Burroughs' world, such as Pelucidar or the strange ape/human hybrids in lost cities in a mythical Africa can at last be realized on the screen in a convincing way. Maybe this is why the few recent efforts to create Burrough's martian world have been side-tracked; knowing that this new technology would make any earlier attempt forgettable and weak. How long before Rodriquez has one of these set-ups in his home digital movie studio?
It's a given that every new technology in photo and film and video has always been propelled in its early days by conoisseurs whose tastes run toward the pornographic. There must be some amazing erotica being developed using this technique. -
Thanks, I appreciate it. Judging from what we already know by the story, I'd say your take is probably about right. As a storyteller, Cameron is more of a by-the-numbers guy. But his technical prowess and knack for effective action sequences cannot be denied.(I'm a little dismayed by the comments on the CGI quality - so much as been made about this, you'd think it would be the one thing they would absolutely nail down for a teaser trailer.)
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Who the fuck are you to tell us whether or not something looks fake to us. I've just watched that trailer and it looks like the fucking CG cartoons I watch with my son on a Saturday morning. I don't care what you do or don't know about the technical whys and wherefores that went into this. I'm the fucking consumer and to me, it looks fake. It looks fake. It looks fucking fake.
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Abrams is a TV director, a proficient one. But he has no cinematic talent. His shot selection in MI3 and Star Trek is sloppy as fuck.
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It's ok that others feel differently than you. You're excited for the film and that's fine..but to cap on an overwhelming amount of people who are underwhelmed by the somewhat disappointing CGI (and it is NOT the best CGI to date no matter what you say), is both arrogant and narrow-minded. If it looks good enough for you and you'll enjoy the film, that's fine. But don't try and condescend to people who feel differently....there have simply been better rendered creatures than this. The planet itself looks good but the rendering on the Na'vi just doesn't quite live up to all the hype (which isn't necessarily Cameron's fault...most of the 'eyefuckery' crowd have themselves to blame for the frenzy). But seriously...don't be condescending assholes. It's beneath you.
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WTF??????
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your bitching and moaning about the moaners and bitchers really helps. Now fuck off with your delusional Cameron apologism, tit-smacker!
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You cannot fuck her.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:55:18 AM CDT
the planet visuals look great because we never seen one
by dioxholsterunbound
any space or planet visuals will look real no matter what. its the creatures and the overall feel that has to be real
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True, it may look overly sharp and clean on a computer moniter, but it could look fantastic when it's blown up. Plus, it's going to be in 3D, so it's not fair, or even really possible to judge the look of the movie from this sample.
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I'm amazed you folks are bitching about the CGI. Seriously, you don't know you're born! To my mind, the artistry involved here is so incredible that if you brought back from the dead and showed this to them, they would never paint again. Now, if you want to question the plot, fill your boots...
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BLOW THIS AWAY.
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and YackBacker and kwisatzhaderach, for that matter, is because District 9 has CG that was UNQUESTIONABLY more convincing, at a sliver of the budget. Cameron talked a big game, like he always does, and it inevitably led to disappointment. He deserves the backlash — End. O. Story.
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I don't know if I can risk wasting another trip to the theater on 3D after the blurry distraction that was BEOWULF IN GROUNDBREAKING 3D. Has it really gotten any better since then? If not, my movies will remain two dimensional.
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That was supposed to read "if you brought any classical artist back from the dead"...
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Always told him not to play so much Mist, its was going to rot his mind.
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From CERTAIN angles... Looks like the Alien Chick is modeled after Angelina Jolie... Cute.
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scene with the guy being pulled out of the craft by that rotten racoon face based flying thing. That dude needs to be fired. Frame by frame that shit. Ugly gross rush job. Hope it's not final.
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I haven't seen District 9 yet. Looking forward to it though.
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How about some of you bored fools wait until you see the finished film, story and all, befoe you begin your inevitable and wilfully ignorant rants about the actual film?
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It might not be but the story has been told plenty of times before. Now just in Cgi-o-vision with Bluemen. I will certainly see it, but im not expecting it to give me a woody
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And they told me to shut up, because the new trailer for Alvin and the Chipmunks 2 just came out today and they'd rather watch that.
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Hahahahahahaha! So much for the hype. Star Wars will forever be the pinnacle of science fiction!
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I trust Cameron as a director. That this will be a kickass action flick, I have no doubt - the scale of the action looks awesome, and his skill as an action director is pretty much unparalleled (or was, before his decade-long hiatus).
But the creature CGI really does look like a video game cutscene. It doesn't have weight...it doesn't have gravity...it doesn't have dimension. In other words, it takes you, the viewer, right out of watch you're watching, because you can't help but think, "That doesn't look real."
Maybe it'll be better on the big screen. I hope so. Because it doesn't look great here.
Gollum is still the standard for CGI characters, and really it's because they got the emotion in his eyes. Conveying the soul through the eyes is obviously soemthing exceedingly difficult to do with CGI - but Gollum did it, which means it can be done again. -
ill just fuck the equivalent you know, like a human female perhaps
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Ok- from watching this trailer here's the story: Jake Sully is a disenchanted war veteran who gets a second chance to 'make a difference' by enlisting in a special program to infiltrate the Nav'i people on the planet Pandora and help turn the tide on a losing military conflict. Of course, once he meets the Navi up close and falls in love, he realizes that Everything He Knows Is Wrong and instead switches sides to help the natives turn back the imperialist marines and save the ecological beauty of Pandora.
If that's basically it wow, that's incredibly cliche and stupid. Please tell me that other than the details there's more to Avatar than this because if not, wow I'm sad for JC. Because that's about the most obvious story one could tell. Like no kidding, war=wrong and natives=should be left alone. -
http://tinyurl.com/nv3vbg
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Aug 20, 2009 11:01:00 AM CDT
I KNEW IT! The only terrible thing this did to my eyeballs was b
by johnny smith
If I wanted to see a movie about the Smurfs, I'd take Shrooms and go watch a Blue Man Group performance.
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The CGI isn't very good. Nothing game changing for sure.
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where do you work? coz they sound dumb
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I cant wait for that film!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 11:01:08 AM CDT
Reminded me too often of World of Warcraft. But i still have hop
by caipirina
I really want to like this movie .. i loved the 90 page treatment and some of the imagery in this teaser is great (the floating rocks) albeit too CG looking (maybe our HD eyes?)
But maybe this will all come together once one focuses on the story instead of the effects ... and why was there no Sigourny Weaver in this teaser ... and why do na'vi women bother with clothing (ah, its an american movie) ..
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http://tinyurl.com/lx2l9u
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As with any film, the story has the potential to sell the effects. D9 is a prime example of that principle. My top questions now are: Will the story go beyond the Manifest Destiny cliches evident in the trailer? And will the characters be worthy of our emotional investment? Cameron's never demonstrated much facility with nuance. Let's hope that's part of the paradigm shift here.
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You are aware of how utterly fucking ridiculous your post is, right? Or I guess not...
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This movie was meant to be seen in 3D. I know a lot of hyperbole is thrown around and many movies say that, but the colors and the way the shots are framed, it is all with 3d in mind. Its a VERY bright movie, so that when you put the glasses on, the tint will be just right. All I can say, is that seeing the footage on a big screen with 3D glasses on really did feel revolutionary, to the point that I was grinning like a 8 year old, and I cannot wait to see the whole movie. I think this is why Cameron is baiting everyone to see the free imax footage, because that is the only way to really prepare people for what a new experience will really be like. An original sci-fi movie with a story and believable characters in realistic 3d that for the first time actually makes you forget that you are watching a 3d movie. Isn't that what we all want? A new experience?
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So much hate here. We need a Nolan circle jerk.
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Boom Baby!
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Actually, this looks pretty f..kin cool. I was affraid by the comments. I was worried by the comic-con buzkill. I was blown away by district 9.
And you know what? Avatar look's awesome. It looks absolutely fuckin great. The CGI DID look like CGI in a number of scenes and I was dissapointed by the initial 'look' and feel but you know what? I watched that trailer a couple more times and the aliens look really, really good. I mean, I do get the fakey feeling about their shiny-ness but I'm over it already and NOW I see all this extra detail in them and the emotions they seem to be conveying is working on me.
Really digging in particular the scene where the hot alien babe is crying and the bit where she is first revealed. I'm knowing she's animated but I'm sympathizing with her subconsciously and it makes me wanna watch more.
It looks like a different kind of experience altgether.
I'm kind of seeing this know as an animated movie that is transcending animation rather than a live action movie that has 'phot-real' effects work.
All I'm saying is, it looks like a whole lot of fun and my eyeballs are starting to feel a bit emotional.
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Ummm YEAH HELLO! There is a whole side story of Crysta trying to stop Hexxus from taking over the rain forest. With the aid of Christian Slater as a bat!
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Fucking subject line limit.
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...Because, wow. What a colossal build-up and letdown. I guess CGI people just can't fool the naked eye like Cameron had hoped/hyped. Everytime I saw a shot of one of the CG characters, it took me out of the trailer. Looked like a cartoon. Sorry.
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Looks just as good :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN06-LzHGnU
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As the Bat, I can't remember from the comic con footage who the voice actor was.
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Comon guys, you cant sit there and say this isnt the best stuff u have seen recently. I think you guys should see this movie, I'm not a plant, scouts honor. Avatar is win guyZ
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All you people are dying to watch this movie.
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So EVERYTHING in this teaser is motion capture CG, or is some of it live action? Because if so, that's pretty impressive.
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It just looks like another Star Wars cartoon : (
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How about the lone survivor of a terrible incident goes back to the face the monster again only to wind up among the very few survivors yet again. It's the execution which counts. I have faith in more than special effects and will wait until I see how the story is executed.
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It just looks like another Star Wars cartoon : (
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I don't want to oversell this, because too much hype is an enemy to ANY film, but I will say that my girlfriend and I were halfway through a discussion about the movie before either of us even THOUGHT to bring up the effects. Meaning, they were so seamlessly integrated into that world, that we kind of forgot we weren't looking at people in costume. I would also recommend going in completely spoiler-free. These TBs are treacherous as far as that goes, but the marketing dept. has done an exemplary, WALL*E-esque job of giving away precious little of the plot in the trailers.
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For months I've read nothing but how much eyeball fucking Avatar was going to inflict. People (without seeing so much as a production shot) were harping that Avatar was going to be the "next Star Wars." After seeing this cartoon of a trailer, I can't help but laugh my ass off at all of them. For a while I thought I was watching scenes from the next Shrek film, hahahahahahahahaha!
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Where do I work? Ummm America? $217,326,974 on a 60 million dollar costing movie = PROFIT LIKE A MOFO!!!! God bless this land.
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kicks the shit out this trailer by a country mile.
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It looks like what Lucas would have done if he was put in charge of a Dark Crystal sequel.
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My eyeballs just got fucked out of their sockets. Seriously those saying that's not impressive are a little bit goofy. Bet this'll be one of the first 120hz blu-ray discs, and I'll probably have to upgrade to a 3D-ready display by the Fall of 2010!
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the na'avi will be decimated. every one will be slaughtered. and sigorney will find a pidgin english scrawlling from sam worthington's avatar telling the na'avi religion stories that make her cry. the end.
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Hundreds of million dollars and they still can't get CG skin to crease properly at the joints or make the muscles move right under the skin. Moveable marble statues. This is a step above 'Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within', but not a giant leap. I do think the comparison to Phantom Menace is very, very apt. Let me be clear: I don't personally hate Cameron or the people who worked on Avatar, I'm just disappointed in everything that I've seen so far. If we're not meant to judge a film by its trailer then why make a trailer?
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Aug 20, 2009 11:07:42 AM CDT
I was excited for the Avatar screening tomorrow until I saw this
by themark
Seriously? Terrible teaser. All I understand is that if you are in a wheelchair, you can turn into a blue alien. If that were the case, I wouldn't have spent my youth in physical therapy.
Seriously though. I thought this was pretty weak looking aside from the battle sequences. I know that Cameron knows what he's doing but...well, he hasn't done a movie in like 15 years now, so maybe he, like the rest of his contemporaries, has lost his touch. -
My eyeballs are still drowned in a creampie of awesomeness! If these visuals are accompanied by Cameron's typical solid storytelling this will be out-of-the-park greatness.
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That shit looks incredible.
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I've been skeptical about this whole movie and I must say, that this trailer looks much better than I expected. But There still is much in it, that looks like 3D cartoon.
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Oy...I was referring to your exclamation of "Looks like a cartoon! Star Wars will forever be the pinnacle of science fiction!", when the last three Star Wars movies WERE a shitty-looking cartoon...for Serling's sake...
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Some shots look pretty bad (only on a photo-real level), but many of the shots are indistinguishable from CGI. The chopper flying through the mountains looks damn flawless, the first few shots of the Navi's hands and feet, and some shots of the female Navi look great up close.
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I agree some landscape shots are too bright and painting light, hopefully that will be changed, or different in the theater. Also some of the Navi's face look a little off, as well as the creatures look good but not photo-real. But seriously, anyone saying this looks like an XBOX game, please point me to that game. -
with a giant dildo on ur head. Cameron is interviewing for a job at the theater, basically, when he released a trailer. He has a good resume, but all you see is a big dong rendered in CG plastered on his head. Don't know where I'm going with this, got really stoned before the trailer...
BTW getting high helps! AVATAR, fucking your eyeballs "if your high" in 2009!!!!
Seriously though I went full screen w/the frenchy trailer while smoked out and it was more-epic-er -
That's what it looks like. Sorry but that's the truth. I'm sure it's entertaining, but "visionary" seems overly generous.
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The trailer definitely had the feel of a Star Wars prequel. But alas, the hype machine will continue to churn and salavate over this BS.
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a big bowl of warm crow!
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... I'm sure I saw Jar Jar Binks in one of those shots.
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"No. No it's not true."-James Cameron
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not really as impressive as I'd hoped, but its about Godamn time we got a teaser.
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they let you have kids ? goodness.
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Sometimes a rant is necessary, so could people on here stop their whining for just a moment to consider a few of these points:1) First of all, out of all the people above hurling their pathetic abuse, it might even be an understatement to say that 90% will still watch the movie in the cinema, thereby defining themselves as hypocrites. The opinion of a hypocrite is worth less than zero, so do the rest of us a favour and keep it to yourself.For the other 10% who WON'T watch this movie, well done! You have the courage of your convictions. Unfortunately, you've decided to base your opinion of a 180 minute movie on 2 minutes of footage. That is simply D-U-M-B. It is not possible, logically, empirically, hell even linguistically, to form a valid opinion at this stage, therefore you are making a decision not to see this movie based primarily on your own prejudices. The opinion of prejudiced people is worth even less than that of hypocrites, so again move along, please.Now, onto the footage itself...3) Let's just stop this nonsense right now that 360 game somehow have better graphics, ok? I like my games, but to suggest that ANY game is even close to that is simply making a stupid point to fit in with the other haters. Somebody with more computer skills than me PLEASE put up a picture of a Na-vi from that trailer (Zoe Saldana one crying over her fallen colleague lit by flames would be a good one) next to a troll from WoW (closest match I can think of off the top of my head) and try telling me the troll looks more "real" while keeping a straight face...4) For anyone saying it doesn't look "photo real", first of all what the fuck is "photo real" really, beyond a nice buzz word for effects companies etc to use and secondly hands up anyone here who's ever seen a photo of a 10ft tall blue alien with smooth, poreless skin and bioluminescent markings?5) Of course, Cameron has already fooled half of you once. Remember the still a few weeks back of the avatar in the tank with Worthington next to it? Go back on that talkback and count the number of times people said "puppet". Guess what? It's CGI! If people are looking at a computer generated image and HONESTLY believe they are looking at a real, on set, three dimensional object, wouldn't you say that is as good a definition as any of "photo real"?6) While we're on the subject of 10ft tall blue aliens and CGI, is there honestly anyone out there that REALLY thinks you can create something like that any way other than CGI? Of course not! That means you KNOW already that what you are looking at is computer generated and therefore your eyes are able to perceive this fact. So what? As someone above already said, Gollum was CGI as well. We all knew it and could tell with the simplest of visual inspections, but the story, dialogue and especially Andy Serkis' performance were strong enough that it didn't matter. Do you think it might just be possible to afford this film a chance to prove itself in similar fashion?7) On the whole story/script/performance side of things, we must remain in the dark until the film is released, naturally. However, judging just on the treatment (yes, I know it's been changed considerably since then), I feel that there is a strong story behind this film. Furthermore, Cameron has a proven track record of being able to get strong, believable performances from actors (Ripley, SC, pretty much the entire cast of the Abyss). Maybe not Oscar winning, grandstanding performances, but you always believe that the character is a real person, especially with strong female characters and military personnel, which - guess what? - this film is full of. Sure, Cameron is as guilty as any writer of the odd clunking line of dialogue (and not just in Titanic), but if people hated every movie that had the odd bad line then they would hate everything. Hang on a minute...People are entitled to their opinions, but to form their opinion of this film based just on this teaser is stupid. I'm more than happy to form my opinion at the correct time: on December 16th, right around the time the end credits start to roll
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As soon as Harry declares it golden.
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Yes it looks like a videogame environment but it was always going to, it's what Cameron wanted.
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Looks like full-on Cameron. I don't give a fuck if its perfect, it looks fantastic. Go out and do better of it annoys you. Can't wait!!!
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Nicely done.
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Oh, wait, you were serious.
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so maybe thats why its bright. anyone saw it with VLC instead should say something
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it does look like a videogame cut scene.
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Jesus christ that would be fucking perfect.
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In the fall? Or will people already have forgotten about it by then?
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Aug 20, 2009 11:13:11 AM CDT
the opinions aren't on the film, yanni, they are on the trailer
by ironic_name
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Okay, I can understand that. But at the same time, is it fair to compare a film that was going for docu-style, gritty realism, to a film that is trying to achieve an entirely different aesthetic all together? Avatar is supposed to be an exaggerated fantasy sci-fi film, and as such the look is a little more glossy and "cartoony", if you will. I'm merely commenting on people saying it looks like a video game when it clearly doesn't. The filmmakers have created a planet from top to bottom, from the plant life and ecosystem to the composition of the atmosphere. The characters are clearly "true" to the environment that has been created for them. Light penetrates the outer layer of skin, they sweat and have pores. They're expressive in the same way humans are. True, District 9 feels more real to our world because it's SUPPOSED TO. The aliens and creatures in Avatar feel true to their world, which is foreign to ours. I understand if people don't like it, but to say it looks like a video game or like any other effects work, that's simply not true.
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I'm conflicted. Read all the comments here...that trailer, despite the sometimes dubious CG was pretty damn good. I will agree with those that say that if this weren't a Cameron film I wouldn't see it, but I will say it was a good trailer. Hopefully it looks incredible in 3D on a giant screen. Time will tell. Sucks I don't have tickets for tomorrow...
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Aug 20, 2009 11:13:53 AM CDT
~~~COOL! it's like GUNDAM meets ALIENS meets THE DARK CRYSTAL!~~
by the marquis de side 3
cannot frickkin wait man!!! =0)
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the part near the end, when the marine gets grabbed by that creature's mouth and spit out the helecopter thing --- why does the marine have a tail?
pause it at the right moment, you can see it, it's a freakin' tail. -
Anyone bitching about people bitching about this movie is a bitch.
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Im totally prepared for this movie to be some stupid 3D rendered anime bullshit, what with all the 13 year old boys taking about eyeball copulation. So I was prepared for this trailer to let me down.
It did not. That was amazing. Oh and for the zombies, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of Dances With Wolves - isolated disenfranchised soldier gets assigned to remote location, suffers from Stockholme syndrome, and when the cavalry comes to run the injuns off to the reservation, he finds himself fighting with the big blue lakota night elves instead of with his army pals.
usually when you dress up an old cowboy movie in Sci-Fi jumpsuits, it sucks. This one, based purely on that trailer, looks like a BETTER version of Dances With Wolves. Seriously - the last trailer that looked this good was for a little movie called Lord of the Rings.
Get on board with this movie now - you'll avoid looking like a complete tool later when the whole planet is going to see this movie for the 5th time if you dont. -
Aug 20, 2009 11:14:42 AM CDT
and tho this looks meh, STFU about cut scenes. ps7 will have cut
by ironic_name
and tho this looks meh, STFU about cut scenes. ps7 will have cut scenes that have this much polygons and renders.
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I HAD to go because they showed Leo and Kate on the ass end of the ship going straight into the Atlantic. Straight up cliffhanger jeopardy 101 right out of silent movies.
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why would it have a tail?
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The Matrix was to The Phantom Menace. I had no expectations for TPH or D9, and they blew their counterpart out of the water in story, effects, longevity.
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Your meltdown was more entertaining that the clip. Speaking of which, was that footage just a collection of cutscenes or actual videogame play?
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It's that the CGI is total crap. It could be pitch black the entire movie, and the CGI would still suck. And yet, The Wolfman, with like an eight of the budget, doesn't look nearly as fake. This is actually the professional style in recent years: directors like calling attention to the CGI, in an attempt to "wow" people with the wizardry of said CGI. "Photo-real" my fat dino-molesting ass...
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As long as the plot is good. I'm a big fan of D9, but I can't overlook the plot holes (I know, they have been discussed to death here). Effects alone do not a classic make.
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Epic post. Congrats.
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No expectations for the Matrix or D9
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You're wasting your breath man. It looks cartoony. It just does. We're not all lying to ourselves because we have it out for James Cameron or some shit. In fact, I think it's the opposite, if anything. Most of us are eagerly anticipating this film. Still. Now, that said, IT LOOKS FUCKING CARTOONY. Quit saying it doesn't. The fact is, it does, and we're all more than fucking entitled to think that. Your justifications are bunk. I know damn well there's no such thing as a six-and-a-half-foot shrimp alien, but that didn't stop them from looking real in District 9. WE'VE SEEN BETTER CG THAN THIS. That's what people are griping about. Now, the fact that it looks cartoony doesn't mean it's going to be a bad film. Or even an ugly film. The color palette is impressive, and the look of the film is GORGEOUS. It just, also, looks fake. That is all.
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No expectations for the Matrix or D9
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Look a-holes. We all love James Cameron and we are always rooting for the motherf*cker, but this shit is underwhelming as hell. As soon as Worthington shows up in his wheelchair on Pandora - the tomatoes start flying. Why? Because the trained eye can tell that shit is Episode One meets Matrix Revolutions. Blame my eye. Frankly, my stupid cat looks more alien than a na'vi. He looks more "photo-real" lol. When the movie comes out and we all say "meh with the CGI, but great everything else" so be it! Tell us we were wrong then. Until then - backlash. Severe backlash for talking the big game and not delivering something discerning cinephiles have been desperately desiring for decades. Deal with it JC sycophants and easily pleased, pointy transformer loving bitches.
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i'm sorry. it's not going to change the world but fuck that was fucking cool. that grin when worthington sees his avatar is pure cameron. yes!
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the world is full of them
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Definitely stoked to see this movie now. The sweatpantsed army of fags hating on this trailer can go back to tittyfucking their families foldout couch, nobodies listening.
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I actually thought it looked like prosthetics at first.
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I didn't get much of an impression from Sam Worthington until now. I can see now why people say he's good.
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He has all the symptoms!!!
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Exactly. A character moment. Something I haven't seen in a blockbuster for ages.
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I know right! He totally put Jean-Luc and Daniel Day Lewis to SHAME!!!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 11:22:19 AM CDT
playstation7, with built in etkm so you can play with your brain
by ironic_name
and 46 year old elijah wood says "you have to play with your hands? not with this!"
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All over again.
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Watching this on my PC monitor just wasn't cutting it for me, so I downloaded the 1080P file, and streamed it to my home theater in the living room via PS3 Media Server.
Holy shit.
I watched it like 4 or 5 times and my eyes and ears burn from the amazing.
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People are SUPPOSED to form an opinion based on the teaser...that's what the teaser is for, to get people to WANT to see the movie. If people were excited about this thing, and the teaser dispelled that excitement, that's ass-backwards. Sigh...and as always, the apologists' excuses get lamer and less cohesive. BTW, every time a trailer for a film has sucked, and the apologists screamed, "WAIT UNTIL THE MOVIE COMES OUT", the film in question has always sucked. ALWAYS. So this doesn't look to good right now...
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Dont you guys get it... if loooked exactly like live action or photo realism it wouldnt be transendant... your eye cant possible in reallife experience this hyper reality... that's what makes it mythological for fucks sake you guys think your so smart but youa re a bunch of whiny unforgiving assholes... AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER DONE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIVES. THIS GUY IS CHANGING THE GAME... IM ALL ABOUT DISTRICT 9 AND IT WAS FUCKING AMAZING BUT THIS IS THE CONVERGENCE OF ALL OF THE COLLECTIVE STORYTELLING CAPABILITIES WE HAVE... FILM, GAMING ETC. BE HAPPY ITS HERE...!!!!!!
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Thank God, we've got you two on the board to make fucking sense of the what we're seeing in context…
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Not getting a full release? Fuck that shit.
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I'm going to wait until I see this on the big screen before I pass judgement but I think as a tease the trailer works rather well.
I think it's important to consider that, in watching a trailer on your computer monitor, you're seeing out of context footage in way that it was not designed to be seen.
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And I specifically warned the Avatar fanboys about setting up expectations this movie was going to blow everyone's minds, solve the energy crisis, and bring peace to the Middle East. Me, I have no expectations for this flick, I not only find Cameron overrated, I outright despise some of his films, but I'll probably be there opening week, I'm a big fan of digital 3D, and believe it is the future of video presentation-mark my words-and my guess is that's what Cameron's really attempting here, to be the first filmmaker to really get 3D 'right' so that skeptics stop brushing it off as a fad or a gimmick.
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YES!!! EPIC POST!!
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Yeah I know right, I hated Mist the game as well.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:26:20 AM CDT
electro telekinetic manipulation. like the force ball toy or nad
by ironic_name
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Aug 20, 2009 11:26:29 AM CDT
It's a 3-D movie. That's the merits it should be judged on.
by the gospel according to bastardface
I thought the trailer was underwhelming the first time, but amazing the second time. I am still insanely psyched for December!
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to make them blend i suppose
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I like that...
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we have Spielberg and Jackson's 3D Tintin trilogy coming up! Oh, wait...oh, shit.
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I'm taking a screencap of that post and putting it on my blog. You're hilarious, man.
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A few shoddy moments, but overall I thought the cgi was pretty incredible. Can't wait for tomorrow!
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Aug 20, 2009 11:27:24 AM CDT
@Fa_Tass_DinoMolester, Thats because Michael Bay has made movies
by fisheater
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They all fucking suck
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http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol
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I'll still spend my money on opening day - just a matinee.
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Fanboy whining aside...and is always expected ... the trailer looks great. Cameron's strength is bringing strong ( if soap opera-ish) character to his films ... here's hoping this will be no different. And also kudos for having trailer music that accents the trailer, instead of the stock heavy drums and choir.
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So much rage at people who disagree with you. Kind of sad really. Ah well....to each their own. By the way, are you grumpy because you can't get the taste of your dad's erection out of your mouth? Or just the inner realization you're a befuddled sheep? Enquiring minds want to know!
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Also, Cameron has got at least one Academy Award nominated performance form Sigourney Weaver.
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goodnight!
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Have you seen it on a big screen with 3d glasses on? Oh, you're going by seeing it on a computer screen. Fair enough. Yes the trailer is underwhelming. There is no hint of story, or dialogue or character, so nitpicking the effects is all we can do. Let's see what people say tomorrow...
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Yes. Does it live up to the hype? Certainly not.
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I know the Na'vi are based on Native Americans, but do they have to LOOK like Native Americans? Similar "hair", similar war-paint, similar clothing and technology. Yep, that's real "alien", real "visionary"...if ever we needed an "eye-roll" icon on AICN, it's now.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:30:24 AM CDT
WELL THAT WAS FUCKING DISAPPOINTING, THIS WILL BOMB…..
by carlthormark1978
Seriously, that was supposed to be PHOTOREALISTIC CGI?!? Firstly, the Na’vi look really fucking retarded. Secondly, despite my dislike of District 9, the Rock Lobsters looked great and that’s because they were being rendered against real backgrounds so the animators had to match them to environment conditions such as lighting. The problem with Avatar is that almost all the environments are fully CGI so there is nothing for the animators to work with in terms of reference which is why it really does look like cut scenes from a videogame. Thirdly, it truly looked like fucking DANCES WITH ALIENS IN OUTER SPACE and Cameron is badly mistaken if he thinks that an Aliens/Titanic crossover is going to do repeated business. Finally, I seriously think that this movie is going to fucking crash and burn. There is just NOTHING here that we haven’t seen before and we all know that Cameron isn’t any sort of great writer so I’m predicting that test screenings will get this pushed back to next summer because I sure as fuck don’t see this pulling in the bank of Titanic. It will be lucky to get back it’s production and marketing costs. What we have with Avatar is another Phantom Menace. A movie made by Director who’s spent way to much time away from the camera and has fallen in love with his CGI toys. Cameron really thinks that it’s justifiable to build 3D theatres across the country and charge people $20 to $25 a pop just for the so called “privilege” of seeing more shit put out by increasingly out of touch Directors like himself, Robert Zememkis, Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson? At this rate movie theatres will become a novelty luxury for those who can only afford it while the rest of us stay at home and either download or wait for the DVD. I weep for the future of cinema.
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and thinking, "wow, is this how far CG has come nowadays?"
Then I saw the blue aliens.
Anyways, I'll probably go and see this. Not for the effects, but for the story.
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Brains and, based on the trailer, ears might be fucked. Eyeballs are safe. There's no two ways about it: they look like cartoons, not living beings.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:31:46 AM CDT
eh, this will be a cool movie. the only ones who made it
by ironic_name
seem like such a big deal is retards on aicn. its a movie. a fun looking movie, too.
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compared to the blue aliens. When everything else is CG and only the humans are not, it makes the humans look fake. My eyeballs will have to accept the fact that they will remain virgins even when December comes. Visual wise, it's not what it's all hyped to be. The easier CG stuff, the inanimate stuff like the flying ships and vehicles look unrealistic when compared to what we've seen achieved in other movies. What is shown in the trailer is GI Joe standard. They should be able to do better than that. The animals and creatures look better. What makes it look weird is the colors. The colors that they put on these living beings aren't natural colors that we are used to see on earth, it makes them look fake. But story wise, from what little they showed ,it looks like a great adventure movie. I can see it make a ton of money from the amount of toys it will sell.
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because if they do then i know what will happen in the movie!
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..Jurassic Park?
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It didn't quite grab me by the balls like I thought it would.
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What kind of name is that? Sounds like a porno name kind of.
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The reason they don't get it, is because they have no imagination. They're completely incapable of going outside the box and draw themselves into an imaginary world. Everything has to be given to them, and right or wrong just about everything has with the increasing advancement in video games and subjecting it to those that suffer from ADD and hocked up on energy drinks. (With much apologies to my wife's nephew.)
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Name a film with better CGI, then, and reasons why...I get that people are excited about D9 - can't wait to see it myself -, but the comparison is unfair. D9 is taking a world we know (slums of Joburg) and inserting CGI elements into it. They are able to use dust, mist and all manner of tricks and MORE IMPORTANTLY, are able to tweak lighting etc to perfectly match the REAL footage over which the CGI is placed. Furthermore, I am under the impression that the D9 aliens have little, if any, in the way of recogniseable human emotions, at least facially.This, on the other hand, is an entire world created in CGI, meaning there is no "real world" element to allow your eyes to, effectively, trick themselves. Furthermore, we are talking about CGI creatures with essentially human faces, who are giving a performance, not some shellfish faced obvious alien.In my opinion, the ONLY frame of reference we have to judge these characters is Gollum and, as I said, without seeing the entire performance it is STILL an unfair comparison. If people dislike the WORLD, or some of the more obviously "animal" creatures, maybe I might listen a bit more attentively, but the Na'vi simply have no comparison in film to date.
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The release date is locked to December 18th. It's all or nothing now…
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Just figured it out. It's those giant fucking irises they have that are making my brain register "CARTOON."
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a point and a nod to you my friend. also it's in the eyes. yeah all the jokes about eyeball fucking. but my main concern was is it going to be like soulless eyes you would see ala beowolf? or is it going to convey some very subtle emotions. and i believe it does.
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and nipple.
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On second viewing.
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For all the folks saying the aliens don't look real how many real aliens have you see for comparison? I'd be interested to know.
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A movie with better CG? King Kong (not a great movie but the island was better realized than this). 30 Days of Night was largely CG and looked cooler (while also not a great film from a narrative standpoint). Sunshine was also largely CG and looked so much more vastly amazing on a visceral level than this.
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exactly humans look more CGI. JC knows we will compare the cgi with the photoreal humans
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I'll bet Jim is on a private jet flying back to NZ / Weta right now to have some kind of evaluation. Lol!
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It's pretty, but no plot details in the teaser. I have no problems with cartoons, though, which Avatar seems to be.
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So you've seen Avatar? How was it? Dish!
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we get to see boobs?
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Your erection line drinks more dudeglue than you do. Go back to motorboating your uncles fartbox for strawberry milk money.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no!!! People are NOT - EVER - supposed to base their opinions on a trailer. That is wrong-headed thinking of the worst kind. The purpose of a trailer is, was and always will be to make people WANT to see a film. Wanting to see a film is TOTALLY different from having an opinion about it.If you, or anyone else, has already formed your opinion YOU ARE WRONG. If you actually see the film and your opinion differs from mine (once I've seen the film too), then that's perfectly fine. That is what an opinion is. You might want to consider that...
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Aug 20, 2009 11:39:57 AM CDT
The CGI looks cartoony like a video gam...wow, wow, hang on a se
by chagui
After watching it on the fucking french MSN, it was one of the first dunks who bitched and moaned about the cartoony crapfest that this movie was going to be, but then Apple got its shit together and I saw it on 720p, fuck, I am man enough to recognize when I'm wrong, and I was wrong, the improvement in quality from crappy regular MSN stream to 720p is enormous, I haven't watched it on 1080p yet, but I bet it is way, way, way better, if that's the case, then the looks of it on the highest resolution of all (IMAX) and 3D will more than likely fuck my eyeballs anyways this coming December. Wow, I'm an idiot for calling this film crap based on a shitty streaming video, my faith has been rewarded. You go James Cameron, fuck my eyeballs, please fuck'em hard!!!
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lmao @ the burger remark. She kicks ass in the shield and in ENd OF DAYS ! !!!!
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200 million evidently doesn't buy you a proofreader...
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Come on bro..you can do better than that! At least try and pretend you come armed with more intellectual ammo than a 4th grader. C'mon try again..give us another!
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Aug 20, 2009 11:41:55 AM CDT
I’D RATHER SEE A VERHOVEN DIRECTED STARSHIP TROOPERS SEQUEL…..
by carlthormark1978
At least then we’d be virtually guaranteed an entertaining Sci-fi flick with some hardcore gore, some nudity and some quality satire instead of Avatar which appears to be some new-agey piece of shit wank from a fucking megalomaniac. Star Trek trailer was more exciting for fuck sakes!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 11:42:12 AM CDT
I'll be rooting for the humans to win. Those blue 'tards deserve
by spadge1976
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Think of the frenzy come December if we literally hadn't seen a still. Like when Raiders came out in '81 and no-one knew a fucking thing about it. He's bigger than that. He should have kept the whole thing under wraps. Now he has to contend with 4 months of disappointed fan boys analyzing every pixel.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:43:53 AM CDT
So, linking with your navi resembles travelling through the STAR
by turketron_2
See 1:00 on the French teaser, haha. I think everything looks cool... EXCEPT the Navi.
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Stargate I meant to say.
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"Hopefully by now you've been able to see the Avatar trailer, despite the technical problems that seem to now be required when it comes to any Avatar-related event. Whether you managed to get through to Apple's high-res versions or watched it through our embed, you've at least got an idea of what James Cameron is going for in the movie he says will change the world.
So what did you think? For me, the trailer sucks. Having seen 25 minutes of the film at Comic Con, I was able to piece together which footage came from which seen, and hazard a guess at what the hell was going on when blue people rode on the backs of dragons and wielded spears at one another. But for the people who have never seen footage of the film before-- which is a whole lot of people-- the trailer seems needlessly disorienting and vague. Why not a single word of dialogue? Why not even an indication of the plot, beyond the basic plot description "Sam Worthington lives inside his avatar and runs around an alien planet." Why only show your hand halfway?
I get that they're trying to follow up on the promises that Avatar looks like nothing ever has, and would rather show off as many flashy scenes as possible rather than ease you into this world. But the Quicktime format is so limiting, especially for a 3D movie, that the impact of all the CGI wizardry is muted anyway. Already people are complaining that Sam Worthington's Avatar doesn't look realistic, that the blue skin looks fake, because they haven't had enough time to see it move like a human, hear it talk, or see it respond to its world. Having seen it in Hall H, I promise it works. It just needs time to settle in, and just by showing one complete scene at Comic Con, they sold the effect entirely. Cutting together all the random scenes in the trailer just makes you more disoriented.
But even if you can't show off your technology in a trailer, you can at least hint at the story, which I wrote from Comic Con was the most exciting part of the movie. This isn't just a big-budget spectacle about people running around in space. It's a deeply felt, mythic story, the kind that Cameron has proved time and time again he's great at telling. Even if the Na'vi will take some getting used to, the hero's journey is an instantly recognizable story, and the hook that will get people to take a chance on this strange sci-fi. The footage shown at Avatar Day should definitely get that across, but I'm worried that the word online will remain that the CGI looks weird and fake.
My best hope is that, after Avatar Day, Fox releases just a bit of a complete scene online, giving the rest of the world a chance to see these characters with more context, and understand that, at heart, it's a story as old as the written word. This trailer, for all its visual magic, just wasn't capable of getting that across. "
Taken from http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-Avatar-Trailer-Sucks-But-Don-t-Give-Up-Hope-14448. html
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who knows,maybe the world will become a better place.
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so we can fuck their blue women in the ass. ohhhhhhhhh!
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Looks cool though not eye-fuckingly cool. Guess I'll have to wait to see it in 3d to pop those cherries.
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Empire online has a good trailer breakdown which gives some context for what's going on as well as detail on what things are called et cetera. http://www.empireonline.com/features/avatar-teaser-trailer-breakdown/default.asp
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All these non-working links are cockteasing my retinae.
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You're already backpedaling and begging me to blow my tangy wordload in your hair.
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this will fail
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That's a big old pantsload of "MEH" if I've ever seen it. If Cameron expects to change the "game" with this ... we'd better have just seen the dullest parts of this movie.
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Let the shit-storm commence.
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Until I read a copy of Cinefex, I didn't realize that Pitt's head was entirely CGI up to the point where he's "young" (old) enough to join the tugboat crew. What's more astonishing is how Pitt and Blanchett were "de-aged" to teenage years.
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God Bless James Cameron. Now, come on Steven, Peter and Robert the guantlet is throw. Pick it up.
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All I get is the Questionmarkbusters logo
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Why no one is really going bonkers over the trailer is because compared to LOTR and King Kong it just isn't THAT MUCH better. Such you could say, the rock face or the pours on the leafs look SO much better...but who gives a fuck about that? Also since Titanic Peter Jackson directed all three LOTR, Kong and has another movie coming out this summer.....I didn't see a 10 year plus break anywhere in there did you?
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As I had expected. Love Cameron's films, but I have to agree with the folks who have observed that the set/ship design seems about mid-90s... Also, after watching the trailer a few times I popped LOTR: Return of the King into the DVD player, and I've gotta say I don't see the much-hyped, game-changing revolution in digital effects. It integrates the real & CGI elements only just about as well, though I do have to say that the CG environments are very pretty and will probably look good on the big screen. All in all: Looks like a cool flick, but not a life-changer. Coming from a guy who was 14 years old when Star Wars (the grand-daddy of game-changers) premiered in 1977: "I know game-changers and you, sir, are no game-changer."
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It teased. Nobody said the first trailer would sodomize your eyeballs.
I'm glad that they decided to ease people into the world with something that doesn't give away every money-shot in the movie. It pulls people back from whatever expectations they were dreaming up and sets the tone for what was actually created. I'm willing to bet the next trailer will be more flashy now that people know what the world looks like.
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I cant believe that anyone can say that this trailer sucked or that this movie will suck. This trailer is clearly amazing and nothing short of that. I know I'm talking to a brick wall in saying this because you all will hate it anyway. I am really looking forward to this movie and everyone on here needs to lighten up and take it for what it is... a movie.
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Fucking learn how to make paragraphs you fucking 5 year old.
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just my first impression...like blending Halo with Everquest
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Three films I own and like and all good effects. The most valid comparison is, obviously, Kong, but again it's the problem of comparing a 180 minute (or 210 for the extended cut) movie to a two minute trailer. Once the full movie is out, I would be interested to know if your opinion is still the same.30 Days of Night is a very poor comparison in my opinion. The CGI there (which was NOWHERE NEAR as extensive as you are making it out to be) was tweaking the facial features of actual, on set actors being actually filmed. Again, if you have real elements your eye can relate to, it goes a long way to masking CGI (in that film highly successfully). This is 100% CGI based on motion capture.As for Sunshine, please show me the fully CGI character in that film? Most of that film was a (good) set with the odd CGI flourish. The only major CGI was the big bomb room thing and the sun itself. Again not really a valid comparison.
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Are hardly fucked, but that being said it looks quite impressive, although I am hoping the CGI characters wind up looking better, because they don't look very real to me. I will be seeing this, no doubt.
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...to see it on the pseudo-IMAX screen. Iv'e got two tickets, but I really don't care enough right now to make the trip. The tailer's cool enough I suppose, but not enough to warrant a trip to the theater.
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The similarities with Lucas and his later SW ventures appear staggering....
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Actually Brad Pitt isn't real at all, he is just a walking computer effect!
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The CGI looks horrible.... it reminds me of the second matrix movie where neo fights the mister smiths in the courtyard after meeting with the oracle, they may as-well have put a cgi pac-man in that seen. not really impressed but im sure it will have losts of distracting explosions to take peoples minds of the lack of story or good effects.
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At least Cameron's next film will be real with a movie star like SCHWARZENEGGER.
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Haters/lovers need to get a life.......do you not realize that you are arguing a moot argument? No matter who you are, or how cool your mom says you are at the end of the day we are all posting on nerd central's web site. We all have about the same amount of life we need to get.
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go to ANY other site..and watch it in 3 secons with no broken links or embed problems..serioulsy..epic eyeballfucking failure
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To be fair teasers are just meant to tease. That's why no mention of the story.
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can whip an avatar's ass... and no mention of it here yet for some reason. It's on Yahoo movies. Me likey.
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Is that the female alien is also an avatar, being controlled by another DUDE! Then Jake Sully realizes maybe that's OK and it gets all Brokeback Planet.
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but in a people in a rubber suit fake. then it clicked for me. it was rubbery. get it people. my god. let it soak in man. the movements had a gravity and weight to it. it didn't look at all like pixels floating in space trying to fake physics. let happen man. get your cherries popped.
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Face it fanboys, this movie was made for the Titanic audience. This is not Aliens this is Last of the Mohicans. And it's going to make a billion or two.
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Jaw droppingly AWFUL!!!
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It is funny to me that people talk about the hype for this film... there is certainly a lot of fan anticipation, but there has been very little hype per se until last months Comic-Con. Cameron has been his usual secretive self and the studio has released very little in the way of promotional material. I have seen very few magazine covers, posters or Entertainment Tonight type set visits for Avatar. In fact, for a film of this size there has been remarkably little hype. However it looks like the Fox marketing and promotions juggernaut is just gearing up with the special IMAX screenings and so on. So from this point onwards, yes, there will be marketing/promotions/hype galore.
As for the CGI debate, my feeling is that they did a pretty good job when you account for the volume of CG effects in this film. Someone mentioned District 9 and the great effects. They are right IMO, the CG work in D9 is utterly fantastic (and Oscar worthy with any luck), but much of that film was “only” character mo-cap and rendering with some mother ship and CG helicopter shots and some digital mattes of Johannesburg now and then. Avatar has 100% alien CGI environments and characters... the more you have to create, the more computer resources you need to balance to bring the film in as close to on time and on budget as possible, despite the budget size. However one thing that D9 does do well that most SF films do not is to incorporate the “bad” shot into the effects. To my eye, too often CG shots are too pretty and smack of the “money shot” to try and blow the audience’s socks off. In D9 there quite a few shots were the camera was shaking… or the racked focus and framing was a bit off which helped sell the realism. Finally, one of the great things CGI can do is to create places, things and situations that simply can’t exist… and that is also the Achilles heel of the technology; when I look at the Na’vi sitting up in the hospital bed, it looks strange because my brain knows that there is no way that is real – it can’t be just an actor in a blue suit. The skin creases in the blue feet may look totally believable, but subconsciously, you know it can’t be. I think it is known as the “Uncanny Valley” effect.
All in all I think this will do well, despite what the naysayers argue. It has Cameron’s name on the project and there are space marines for the boys and a cute alien love story for the girls. The only demo Cameron in not reaching this time around it the 50+ viewer… even my Grandmother went to see Titanic. Cameron always knows how to put on a show and this teaser looks interesting enough to get me in the theatre, unless the critics and word of mouth turn out to be horrible closer to the release date. Time will tell.
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the hype almost had me going. What a fucking turd. It kind of reminded me of SpaceJam with its shitty mix of real life and cartoons. The CGI is total crap. The problem is that there is no texture to the Navi. Its cartoon bullshit.
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Sunshine, please show me the fully CGI character in that film? = The Sun.
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Finally got the site to work. Watched it a couple times to let it sink in, and I gotta say, chill, people. Does it look like the end all, be all of special effects as we know it? Not so far. Does it look like the effects shots are missing a coat or two of polish? Yes, and with roughly four months to goon something this ambitious, they probably aren't finished yet. BUT, does it look like something that could be epic in story and a kick-ass ride? Well, it does that, too. How's about we wait for more than 2 minutes out of at least 120 total before we pass judgment on a director that's proven himself time and again.
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you ppl are some fuckin haters! you damn well you are gonna shell out your gas money to go watch the film so shut the fuck up. You couldnt make a better film with a flip-cam! FUCKERS
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9P_St-sOWY
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Aug 20, 2009 12:00:30 PM CDT
I think it looks amazing! And I usually don't like anything.
by toowhippy
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...A SERIOUS MAN on the the way, i'm not too precious about AVATAR.I hope it's great and Cameron always brings a lot more substance than a teaser can show, but does look like Jar Jar Meets Apocalypto (the latter is good, the former bad). Despite what Cameron's been saying, i think it will depend on the 3D for the movie to work...I think DAYBREAKERS will the surprise hit, sadly AVATER might well be the surprise flop... Hope not.
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...why all the whining? First of all, this is a "science fiction" movie. We have all known that it was going to be that. We also all knew that it was going to be all CGI. I for one think that Cameron hasn't even come close to showing us what his technology can do. Of course he's not going to blow our minds in a two minute trailer, why would any of us go see this movie if we see all the amazing stuff in the two minute glimpse. I have to agree with everyone else that said it, I think that the most important part of this trailer is when Sam Worthington's character smiles at his Avatar. I think with this movie we are not only going to get state-of-the-art cgi motion capture animation, but we are also going to get a touching, emotionally engaging story. That's what I hope to see in December.
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Like they did with Speed Racer. That ended up hurting that film more then helping. I'm thinking like Speed this movie has a learning curve to it, you need about 15 minutes of Speed to really get what you are seeing before you can fully enjoy it. This may be the same.
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feel like they just got fucked by a cheap whore. i got my nut off, but i kind of wish i had'nt paid for it.
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I don't know what you guys seem to be looking at. Any complaint likely comes down to the design not the render. I'd be willing to guarantee once people really see this thing, they will believe. I portend you all are going to regret ever doubting.
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that mean that B3 is his next film..Oldman was right
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The real story here is that this thing is going to be a financial turd. I'm not a hater, I think it looks cool and will go see it in the theater. But seriously, there's no way mainstream audiences are going to go watch blue elves fight cartoon robots. Some studio executive just shit his pants after watching this trailer.
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Oh no... I'm in Outland again...
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...i will agree to watch it only if the game controller is included in the ticket price!
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skin with over sized eyes is a piss poor choice.
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you pretty much nailed it. This is Last of the Mohicans in space.
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they are totally 2 different ways of filmmaking and such..
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not impressed, I am however thinking this year will be a little bit like when The Phantom Menace was released and The Matrix stole its thunder,and proved to be a far superior film, cept this year its District 9/Avatar
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Aug 20, 2009 12:05:44 PM CDT
SIGOURNEY WEAVER IS THE ONLY GOOD PIECE OF CASTING IN THIS....
by carlthormark1978
Michelle Rodriguez, Giovanni Ribisi, CCH Pounder, Wes Studi, Stephen Lang etc…it’s like Cameron went out of his way to cast every fucking shit C-lister that he could find. With Terminator Salvation, Worthington has proven himself to be a charisma free non-entity which is a shame since HE IS THE FUCKING LEAD ACTOR. FUCK ME FUCKING CEILING CAT ALMIGHTY FUCKER OF FUCK, the only person that I’m looking forward to seeing in this is Zoe Saldana (based on her work in Star Trek) except for the small problem which is that YOU DON’T SEE HER BECAUSE SHE’S PLAYING A FUCKING COMPUTER GRAPHIC SMURF/THUNDERCAT THING WITH FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME!!! No wonder Cameron has been holding off on showing anything from this fucking 300+ million dollar turkey. At this point it looks like it would have been a better idea for him to have made a fucking HALO movie. 12 years and this is the best this egomaniacal fucking tool can come up with when he isn’t scuba diving or searching for Jesus’ tomb.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:06:27 PM CDT
I think we can ALL agree that the ugliest thing about that trail
by burgundy82
was the use of Papyrus for the logo font. WTF, Cameron — are you making a movie or opening an organic grocery store?
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it looks amazing. the first time i watched it, i couldn't help but scrutinize every shot, looking for flaws in the cg - it looked fake to me.
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Wonder when AICN will put up a link?
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Stephen Lang is a fucking shit C-lister? Do a little basic fucking research.
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FUCK YOU, SUBJECT LINE LIMITATIONS!
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EPIC WIN YOU FUCKERS!
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like shite. Seriously, dumb concept and a dumb movie. Wheelchair guy jacks into alien body, does it with other aliens. The actual planet looks kind of cool but the aliens look like they were originally designed for a Pixar movie. There's no photorealism to be had. Avatar? More like Avasuck! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! WANG OUT!
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Doesn't look revolutionary or amazing either. In the end, I don't care about getting my eyeballs fucked, I care about the story. Hopefully we will get a movie that deserves a seat next to Aliens and T2, and that's all I could hope for. On another note, The Wolfman trailer is up and it kicks ass.
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kind of lame IMO. Looks strange overall. Not too excited for it other than it being Cameron.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:09:46 PM CDT
Too much CG! It looks fake and inconsistent in a lot of spots!
by brannagins law
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They won't put up a link because Harry is still pouting about Mark Romenek not being the director. Since he is SOOOO fucking good.
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My interest would be non-existent were it not for JC's name being attached to this, so I'm stuck on 'judgement reserved'. I love how some people's lives seem to be over because the link didn't work on time, fucking gimps.
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... and eat these shitty blue zebra-cat people! Fuck Michael Bay, fuck Fox, and fuck James Cameron's new over budgeted cartoon!
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Did I just dream that?
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...just been with that rich, cheerleader chick from high school that everyone was thought was so hot, but who turned out to just sort of lie there like a paralyzed fish when I actually did manage to nail her. Then years later I saw her again when she came home from college and she had shaved her head and wore Timberlands, Wrangler jeans, a flannel shirt and no makeup, had gained at least 20 pounds and listened to Tracy Chapman and Jill Sobule on her car stereo.
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That's what I came away with. Especially the mechs. There needs to be more grime to them.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:10:41 PM CDT
What the hell just happened to the "Close Encounters" story?
by fa_tass_dinomolester
It was just there! Oh Christ, the Avatar teaser's fried my man-brain!
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"Titanic" was a film for tween girls. It will have action for the adventure heads, but this seems more like a 'live-action' anime than anything coming from a major studio (looking at you "DragonBall Z).I think Cameron anticipated the growth of anime/manga and saw the direction the zeitgeist was going and worked out how to westernize it enough with a backstory similar to "Dances with Wolves" to retain a point of entry for western audiences. Makes me curious regarding the storytelling beats and the overall narrative drive and pacing.
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when will they fucking see it looks like shit when not handled moderately and controlled!!???
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I don't get how people can say the CG looks like shit. I mean, it's not the best, but many shots are definitely up there. If you watch Lord of the Rings, you can easily tell Gollum is CGI, and your lying if you say different. Still, that's considered some of the best CGI, and some shots in this teaser are better than that. I think it's the realistic backgrounds that really differentiate it.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:12:53 PM CDT
the last thing i have to say about this is where is the vagina..
by iwasredempted
dr. manhattan penis=avatar vagina. you want photorealistic. give me some clitoris. no? okay.
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Erm, listen dude. You might want to grab your nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of "character" in relation to some form of dramatic performance. I may not have as good drugs as you do, but I don't recall the sun in Sunshine having much in the way of dialogue, or showcasing many nifty fighting moves or deep emotions...
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Aug 20, 2009 12:13:06 PM CDT
YEAH, TWEENS ARE GOING TO JUST FLOCK TO SEE THIS BECAUSE....
by carlthormark1978
I can really see the braindead mallrats of America giving a shit about a love story between two blue Thundersmurfs!
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Avatar will still be a cash cow.
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...Yes, a fellow graphic designer, I take it? Papyrus sucks ass... it's such an outdated, fn mid-90's crunchy granola font. And it hasn't even been altered at all besides stretching out the kerning a little. Epic lame!
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Aug 20, 2009 12:14:18 PM CDT
Wheel Vhair Guys stays on the planet at the end.
by shia_labeufs_christmas
You guys go on back without me I'm gonna stay here and fuck giant blue cats.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:14:25 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
That's what they are, FUCKING THUNDERSMURFS!!!
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Then most people would not be interested. This looks like Cameron is still stuck in titanic mode, giving us a pg-13 dances with wolves type love story. The art design looks awful, everything looks like a retread of stuff we have seen already.
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When the two lab assistants are looking at the Na'vi sitting up on the bench, it looks like they're staring behind him. But I just realised, the Na'vi are ten feet tall (something like that), but your brain thinks he's the same size as a human, so puts him closer than he really is in your visual field and makes it look fake. When you see that in 3D, you'll get a proper impression of where he is and it'll look awesome. So now I'm wondering how many other shots might suffer like that?
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Ho Hum. I just can't get up for this. We are being event marketed into submission to how "real" it looks. It has to feel real, too. No soul, no movie.
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I think the "eyeball-fuckery" thing was more a product of people here and at other movie sites unreasonably inflating expectations. I thought the trailer was great, and I'm looking forward to Avatar Day tomorrow.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:15:07 PM CDT
It's the realistic backgrounds that set the cg apart.
by brannagins law
it just looks like a prettier version of that Delgo. It looks ok in spots but others it looks fake as all crap.
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you stupid cunt, this is what you've been spouting on about for so long? I bet you feel like a total twat now, but you'll keep a brave face until the film comes out.
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District 9...a film by James Cameron.
Avatar...a film by Neil Blomkamp.
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Are you fucking kidding me! The depth and range of the Sun in that movie was fantastic! I mean have you ever seen someone SO close to death as the Sun was in that movie potrayed SO brightly before? He just needed one little nuclear blast the size of New York to be saved! And due to his location it was so hard for them to get there, but he SHINED as brightly as he could even in his frail state, so brave. Oscar worthy in my book.
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Enjoy the epic SyFy quality love story that you've been waiting for.
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...as anything GL has done...except without as many a-hole fanboy complaints. I give it a rating of meh/meh.
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By the way, The Wolfman trailer is on Yahoo.
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...I take it back. Apologies. I understand how some may find it underwhelming. It just seemed that the haters were going a little overboard with the hyperbole. There's clearly some pretty cool stuff going on in the trailer, but perhaps not to everyone's personal standard. Either way, I concede.
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my niece just watched it with me(she only 5) and she siad it was willy wonka with the girl that ate the gum and turned blue only she didnt get fat!
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"In other words,your brain cant comprehend the image of the navi alien,because it hasnt seen a navi before,so it acknowledges as fake and as a result u get the impression that is cartoony. "
Thats' bullshit...
The creature in Alien, The Thing, The Fly,fuck, even The Blob remake are much more unworldly and "alien" than the Navi and much more disturbing for to mind to accept ...do they look cartoony?
Even more so, most non horror fan's can't even look at these flicks cuz the of their design, their mind make's it real for them...they get scared of a animatronic puppet or a dude in a suit.
The Navi look like tall, blue, Thundercats...very comprehendable and very cg looking.
See how fast my brain has grasped the unoriginal representation of the Navi?
How it has classified their design and concept....and has put in the Bermuda Triangle section of my brain?
Nice try...better luck next time...
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yet after that trailer i dont care. sure, the aliens weren't hyper realistic, and the plot seems like ferngully, but damn, in 3d, ill prolly see that shit more than once.
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UEbZkrBImcM/So1prFiKAnI/AAAAAAAAAtU/og40vEGF9OY/s1600-h/avatarteeth.JPG
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Even though the fucking Chorus of the Apocalypse had to be used yet again! Emily Blunt is cinema class, people. If Joe Johnston can pull this off, there's hope for CAPTAIN AMERICA yet.
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Why all this fuss about AVATAR - when the Wolfman Trailer and it's Genuine Physical Makeup / CG transformation mashup will own all these little blue fairies.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:19:30 PM CDT
Not A Game Changer, But That Did Look Totally Effin' Awesome
by laserpants
That's right, you heard me, I think that looked totally fucking awesome. I'll officially shut up forever about Cameron and how much I hate T2 if the actual movie lives up to the awesome I think I just saw.
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Almost too I amazing, Its going to take a leap of faith to just accept those creatures as the protagonists. But I for one will be there watching in 3D IMAX to give it my best shot. The graphics looking incredible. The soles of its feet! Just wow! Lets see if I can just accept the faces and not be taken out wondering how they did it/
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ummmm, that's the whole point of those, to give you an idea of what the movie will be like so you can decide whether or not you want to see it. if you expect people to see a movie before judging it then why bother make a trailer you know? anyway, this is exactly what i expected, it looks cool and i'll definately check it out but its not impressive or awesome or anything. it just looks cool.
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...and watching it in 3D on an Imax is going to be an entirely different experience from watching it in 2D on a computer screen.
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We demand to know why!
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meh?
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I don't know if it's big enough to support a $200 million dollar epic, but, you'd be surprised how many people exist in that fan community.I don't know if I'm on the right track, but if the film is a hit, that might be factor.
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I still think the aerial battle is the best thing in the trailer, not crazy about the other parts. We'll see...
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All and all I'd say that the hate for this has been pretty mild in terms of AICN hating. There is no one spamming crap. The dick jokes have been kept to a minimum. So that probably doesn't say much for the movie, because it isn't moving people to curse the name of Avatar and say bat shit crazy nonsense about how stupid it is and its not getting over whelming praise from everyone. A movie that causes no reaction is the worst sort of movie you can make.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:23:48 PM CDT
kwisatzhaderach, YEAH, STEPHEN LANG IS A SHIT C-LISTER BECAUSE..
by carlthormark1978
I never even fucking heard anyone say shit about this douche before this year and that's only because he got casted in Public Enemies and Avatar despite the fact that he’s done NOTHING but shit TV and a few fucking piss poor movies over the years. I was amazed to find out that he played Freddy Lounds in Manhunter and now I’m even more worried about him being in Avatar since he was shit back then and I doubt that he’s improved as an actor.
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If you look at where the worryingly effete avatar wakes up on the hospital trolley the actors are looking at a point about 2 feet behind his camp fashion designer's head. Couldn't they afford a stick with a bit of card on it when shooting..?
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I work in the industry, so I guess I'm more discriminating than most. But honestly, the CG doesn't look much better than "Beauwolf." The character movements are still stiff (just look at the first scene where he slams his arm against the glass). The CG is still too clean. The skin doesn't have enough grit and texture. The environments don't have enough atmosphere. The eyes and teeth look cartoonish. Still, I guess that's a good thing. It should be incredibly difficult for computers to replicate life. A worthwhile effort, though. I'll be there opening day.
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I thought it looked pretty sweet. I was expecting it to not live up to my expectations of the hype and was ready to hate it, but I kinda liked it.
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"Brokeback Planet" LMAO.
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Another wack CGI wolf man? No thanks
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Anyone with a brain knows that blacklash is simply a defense mechanism due to low self-esteem. If you're getting worked up over this trailer, you might want to consider improving your own life and caring about something that actually effects you personally. Just a little advice.
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The reason your brain is quicker to accept those other creatures you mentioned is that they are LESS human than the Na'vi and thus you have fewer points of reference to compare them to. The more human something looks, the harder it is to trick us, because we see and interact with humans every day.
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Those were my thoughts exactly!! All except for the Roger Dean bit.. but you're right on that too, come to think of it.
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Aliens that look like blue fairies, ships from Terminator Salvations. It's Apocalypto meets Final Fantasy. Can't believe Cameron spent 5yrs of his life on this one, and over 237 million dollars making it. This is going to fail miserably. I've liked some of Cameron's past films, The Terminator, Aliens, and The Abyss. But this film looks terrible. Here's hoping the movie is better than the trailer.
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a certain percentage of people who believe they have perfect sight cannot experience the 3d effect. It just doesn't register as any different from 2d beyond some added "blurriness". I remember having an argument with one such person while discussing true 3d vs. simulated 3d environments displayed in 2d on a screen. He was convinced that true 3d had arrived when he played Halo. It was 2d, period. After a long time talking about the various 3d films we'd both seen over the years, it finally dawned on me that the poor guy just did not see 3d, at all.. ever. So tomorrow, be prepared for a few people here saying it was a "blurry mess" and didn't once make them feel like they were immersed. Don't take it personally.
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Having just watched it...ugh, cg is horrible. Yes the movie is designed to be watched in 3D but most people will be forced to watch it in 2D and so far it's failed. That big panther creature was laughable and when the Avatar speaks (technically Huntingtons consciousness inside the avatar) it looked horrible.
There are a few nice shots of machinery (ships etc) but I've seen shots that are just as good and realistic in Battlestar Galactica, and that has a TV budget, not the biggest budget in Hollywood history.
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It gave off that kinda vibe. I wish that Scorcese was making Hyperion...Damn that would be game changing. Also the aliens remind me of the Sithi in Tad Williams Memory Sorrow and Thorn trilogy. I don't care about the CGI if the story is good. That's why Moon was so rad. The CGI in Moon was kind of dated really--but the story kicked ass
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This is a glorified cartoon. It's like a Roger Dean album cover come to life. So many colors and floating islands, you can't believe they actually exist, which is funny, cuz they don't.
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in The Hard Way, great movie, with great Lang.
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With Sam Worthington protecting the creatures of Ferngully, whose very existence is threatened by the Human Race.
I'm sorry but I remember when everyone here thought James Cameron was gonna save cinema with this film. Everyone was like "Cameron's gonna show Lucas and Spielberg how to do CG right" and all kinds of other hyperbole that was probably put there by Cameron and his ego.
Take a look at what being overconfident and overstating your abilites is making your movie look like now, Cameron. The backlash on this talkback hasn't been seen since Phantom Menace came out. As for my opinion on the look of the film - I think the Navi look jerky and unrealistic at the minimum. They have no pores and it doesn't look like they have any textures on thier bodies, it just looks like blue coloring. I think a lot more texture and bump-mapping work has to be done to at least give off the illusion that they look fairly real. But until then, this looks like an Epic Fail!! My eye's virginity will be taken by Tron Legacy, thank you... -
Drink it!
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...why not something a little cooler, more ferocious looking? Like the prawns in District 9. I'm still gonna see this. But I'm really, really disappointed in the direction Cameron took with the Na'vi. Everything but the Na'vi looks amazing.
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I have several to choose from here, Sacramento region. Some are better than others, but there's a selection. I still find it odd that the best 3d imax screen in town is not participating in Avatar day.
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I have a feeling though, the story is pretty "see through" at this point. It looks like a classic western almost, cowboys vs indians, with "cultural" misunderstandings. As much as the cg is transparent, I think the plot itself can be easily seen through the preview. But hey, I could be wrong.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:29:41 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Not even an end of the night hug – instead the Avatar trailer walked me up to the door and said, “you’re a great friend.”
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..."Dances with Wolves" should google "Edgar Rice Burroughs" and "planetary romance". Just sayin'.
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Does Scorcese still have the rights to "Hyperion"?
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Totally agree. This still looks awesome, though. I honestly can't believe so many of you are hating on this. It looks good to me, and I'm highly dubious / critical of Cameron seeing as how he made two good movies and then a handful of shitty ones (imho). This looks pretty friggin' awesome, though.
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that we have seen enough other impressive CG works, we're no longer wowed by the quality we see in Avatar... JC can only pray that the story is good enough to attract moviegoers to see it, otherwise i'm sorry to say that the word "epic fail" might be true...
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for the HD version? Please.
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I am currently underwhelmed.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:35:57 PM CDT
I WOULD HAVE RATHER SEEN PEOPLE IN BLUE MAKE-UP FOR FUCK SAKES..
by carlthormark1978
That fucking shithead Cameron could have saved tens of millions if he had the brains to just make the Thundersmurfs the same size as humans, painted his actors blue and slapped on some prosthetics, contact lenses and I wouldn’t have given a shit. The make-up for Mystique in the X-Men movies looked better then this CGI shit and it would have also allowed for the actual actors to emote rather then us watching a cartoon.
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and it's shame b/c Scorcese's interpretation would have been something to see!!
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Then again, I don't really give a shit about what looks CG or not.
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I'm not surprised. This actually does look cool, but the self-proclaimed "king of the world" just totally fucked up by proclaiming that this was going to blow everyones minds. If it just quietly came out, and the trailer hit, people would be far more excited. As it stands, it looks cool, but it does not look any better, efxwise then any of the other big CG tentpole movies like the Star Wars prequels, LOTR, Matrix sequels, King Kong. It does look good, its just not game changing.
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...underwhelming.
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Hell, I'll go see it, just because I'm sure the technology is great. But I was never jazzed by the story, and this doesn't help. It kinda looks like a sci-fi version of "Dances with Wolves". Dunno....it seemed underwhelming to me.
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...is that they are using "Papyrus" as the title font. Good God.
Other than that it looks great. The movie doesn't need to be all mindblowing and revolutionary for me to enjoy it. If Cameron can just make a decent sci-fi action flick I'll be happy. We've had to endure too much garbage in the action genre for far too long. -
Sigh...Where, at any point in any one of my posts, did I criticise the effects of Sunshine? I think that film is absolutely fucking amazing and criminally underrated at both a commercial and awards level. But...THE... SUN... IS... NOT... A... CHARACTER!!!!!No matter how much symbolic meaning an inanimate object is given in a movie (see also the ring in LOTR and the ship in Event Horizon), it is NEVER a true character.It has no emotion, no performance and does not react with the world around it in any meaningful way.Of course, when I wrote my initial reply I had already contemplated the fact that your post could be a ham-fisted, clumsy attempt at irony. I chose (and choose now) to take your post seriously, though. I'll take the chance of being the butt of a pathetic joke that only the teller laughs at any day if the alternative is to correct someone's misconceptions...
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...are they still there?!
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I heard reports of $240 million on AVATAR and $250 million on last Harry Potter movie.
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Blue cats everywhere.
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the haters just hate anything that sparkles. watch the scene in the bamboo forest again. remember, that's all fucking CG. pretty massively incredible when you think about it. only thing i don't like is the kiss.
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Consider yourself an ass because I was just havin a wee bit of tom foolery wit yeah! And as long as I'm laughin who gives a fuck about anyone else! I'll dance away playing me pan pipe.
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Way too much CGI. Aliens worked becuse of it's realism . If they can make Abe from Hellboy a guy in a suit they could have done it here too.
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this is what halo should look like..let cameron direct that next!
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It looks alright.....a step up from beowulf
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvhp4j3BMGA&feature=related
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My eyeballs are still virgins...
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That's what I thought. You're a cunt. And have zero intellectual prowess. Quit surfing AICN and go back to playing World of Warcraft :) You'll be missed though!
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but thats only because the design of the navi are cartoonish. i actually liked it... looked interesting really.
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The teaser didn't impress me at all.I really expected something mind blowing from all the hype this has been getting. Instead I see nothing but the same old shitty cgi. I really think this will tank at the box office. Bummer.
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Every frame looked fake. The aliens looked like motherfucking CARTOONS. This is what we waited for Cameron? WTF?
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Based on the trailer this 'looks' fantastic - however I say a lot of cliché moments ala LOTR, Star Wars, ect... could be the same story with new paint. Oh well, I am a sucker for anything sci-fi so I will be handing my money over anyways.
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Terminator 4.0: Live Free or Die Hard, raped Tim Burton's CGI work.
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I am not a CG hater like many people....and I'm not a retard who bought into the hype.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:47:13 PM CDT
Which one of you pricks is hating on my AVATAR movie?
by standundermyumbrella
after watching the trailer a minute ago, i can honestly say blowing a single load is absolutely impossible! i had multiple orgasms that were so juicy and fresh you can't even imagine!! neytiri has gotta be one of the sexiest creatures ever put on film. the cgi is so mindblowing i needed to call a detective to help me find all the missing pieces of my skull! you are all being too hard like my dick because your expectations were just simply impossibly high. that doesn't change the fact that neytiri is a sexy bitch thats going to be masturbated to for years and years. i will be looking forward to busting more nuts on avatar day!
what a wonderful glorious beautiful masterpiece this is going to be!!! -
Most of the games I play have scenes just like this only without the years upon years of waiting.
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work.
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20 feet tall, their vagoo's must be immense! Maybe i could fit my whole head inside...
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Really long, really boring, really self-indulgent, really really cheesy Cameron dialogue, really really really tech-obsessed. Oh, and why does the CGI look like Finding Nemo or some shit? Did Jimmy C tells us this was going to be groundbreaking? In what sense?
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NOO BENNEH, SCREWWWW YOUUUUUU!!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 12:51:01 PM CDT
Whoa! Watched it four times now and IT FUCKING ROCKS!
by motoko kusanagi
This is the first epic sci-fi action movie that has a story, nice visuals and no fucking shaky cam.Fuck all those Michael Bay / Stephen Sommers / George soulless Lucas / McFUCKING-G jerkoffs.This is the real deal. Welcome back, Iron Jim! We missed you.
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Is more interesting to me then this trailer. That thing sounds awesome, even if its showing crappy TV shows.
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Why would it tank at the box office? Total shit makes hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes i'm looking at you, Transformers 2. Avatar will be huge because:
A) Everyone will go and see it out of curiosity.
B) Kids will see it multiple times.
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The CGI won't be enough to save the movie. It will live or die based on its plot. Hate to say it.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:51:28 PM CDT
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9541/happycat2.png
by carlthormark1978
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A V A T A R.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:52:05 PM CDT
Peoples Expectations Are Too High BECAUSE of Cameron's Ego
by laserpants
Like I said, if this was just introduced in a normal fashion, rather than hearing Cameron scream, shout, and jerk off all over himself that it was going to dramatically alter the very framework of the Universe, then people wouldn't be hating on it. I agree, though, that people are being too hard on this. It looks good to me. And since when does cartoony = bad? I fuckin' love cartoons! I wanna live in a cartoon. Doesn't everybody? Oh, but photorealistic? Nah. Unless its a photo of a cool looking cartoon, of course.
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AHhhhh there's the penis references. LET IT BEGIN!
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Didn't know they were re-releasing that shit!!!!
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This is what we waited for from Cameron? What a bunch of over-hyped drivel. I'm convinced it's target audience is undersexed, over-geekified man-boys. This movie just fell off my list of ones to watch.
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This looks like a really good video game cut-scene. CGI lacks the proper "weight" to ever look real. What planet do the people who think this looks even CLOSE to real live on?
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cameron hasnt come out and said anywhere this is gonna be huge....
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It's that they look like cartoons! I mean, this is only marginally better than that thing from Lost In Space. I've never seen a dinosaur, but I know when one in a movie looks realistic and when it looks like a cartoon.
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"FOR ALL WHO EXALT THEMSLEVES WILL BE HUMBLED." -Luke 14:11
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What did you think of the trailer?
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A new record for whiny internet virgin spleen-venting has just been set. That looked amazing, beautiful and exciting.
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Aug 20, 2009 12:56:24 PM CDT
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2761/thundersmurfs.png
by carlthormark1978
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I don't see how people can say otherwise. The CGI is the best I've ever seen, I'd like to see examples that people think are better.
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AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP! What till he sticks it in!
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I was expecting to be more wowed by the CGI than I actually was, but I'll give James Cameron the benefit of the doubt.The thing that looked the most out of place to me? The wheelchair. For some reason a future where they haven't figured out how to regenerate nerve connections, especially when a mind can be projected into the fully functioning (nerve connections and all) body of an alien species, just seems all wrong...
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the haters will go back to their caves.the link with the article, which Emperor posted,tells a lot of correct things.u should read it.
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I said I was prepared to take the chance...
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Jurassic Park.
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Think about it, both took a massive break from directing. Both have served up over-hyped cartoony CG sci-fi garbage as a comeback. Admit it!!
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People who think this looks bad have the right to think that, of course. The problem lies with judging a movie so harshly before even hearing so much as two lines of dialogue. Especially given that this is the new creation by a man who's track record is nearly perfect, who has dedicated the last decade of his life creating an ORIGINAL world to entertain you. I think you owe the man a little more than some bullshit attack on two minutes of footage that is totally out of context from the rest of the material. Do you know what REAL work is? It's not hard labor, it's not a nine to five desk job. Those things drain your soul and make you negative, then you spread your negativity here. Real work is creating something new that enhances you and the world and makes you happy. Dedicating yourself and laying it all out on the line with a new piece of art is a very hard thing to do. At least see his work before you tear it down, and remember what the man has given you. And don't let the fact that you're force fed so many shitty movies by Hollywood cloud your judgment when a truly great movie comes along. District 9 and Avatar in the same year? We're fucking lucky. Let's focus on the good stuff people, make the world a little bit happier!
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Aug 20, 2009 12:59:58 PM CDT
All your complaints are design related, not render.
by the_genteel_gentile
But once we actually see real scenes involving acting we'll likely understand why the design had to accommodate the full range of human emotion, and we'll be all the more glad for it. I can't imagine how such a really fascinating, intriguing, and beautifully atmospheric trailer could possibly inspire this level of vitrol. You've all just been aching to bitch huh? You do realise you all just crucified the savior right?
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It looks like all CGI-heavy films look: like watching someone else play a video game. And has there ever been any work of art this long in the making that was any good? Does Chinese Democracy mean nothing? I'll stick with Starship Troopers, thanks.
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the fact that this "fantastic" world is populated by dinosaurs, and 10ft tall blue humans. The next time, take all that money and go buy yourselves an imagination, and THEN make a movie. Fuck.
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Is this a remake of Ferngully or is it actually a sequel? Either way, my fur friends in Second Life are glad somebody's finally made a movie just for them.
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Wait a second, Cameron wasn't shouting up and down saying that this was going to be a "game changer"? Thats what I remember. Thats been the hype from the man himself for several months. That it was going to be the most amazing explosion of 3d efx wizardry ever. Dude, we even had arguments about it and ridiculously over-the-top his rhetoric was.I think it looks really cool, but NOWHERE NEAR as cool as the hype, largely from him and/or his camp, led us all to believe. I'll definitely be seeing it, think it looks cool, but efx-wise it does not even approach "game-changing."
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619098/20090819/story.jhtml Who the fuck is that dork talking about the video before hand?
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The CGI performance capture is amazing. As is the shot of the ship landing in the forest, and mvoements of the plants. This movie looks EPIC and, most importantly, Cameron's record is perfect.
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Is this the new Monsters, Inc. 2 trailer?
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AAAAAhahahah thats funny. About the wheel chair. Then again think about now. We can get your dick hard when you are dead. Give hair to the hairless, but haven't done shit to fix cancer.
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usually when someone spends a decade working on a film, making sure EVERY aspect is perfect, it turns out pretty well. Especially when it's James fucking Cameron. Why don't you see the movie on the big screen in 3D (and make sure your brain is turned on) before you judge it?
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The script, performances and direction better rock because the CGI blows. None of it looks convincing. I don't see any huge advances based on the trailer. The CGI movement still is off. The characters look gummy and cartoony and the backgrounds look like something out of Myst. Unless the movie as a whole is utterly fantastic, this has disaster written all over it.
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Or do they make up a whole new Blue Cat?
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I can relate to this story. Originally skeptical of the anthro community, I went deep undercover as a cheetah man in Second Life and discovered an amazing world where I met the love of my life, a nine foot tall transsexual unicorn.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:07:07 PM CDT
I've been talking about the lack of CG "evolution" for years...
by viewer 3
But every time I bring it up on this site, I get pegged as an "elitist". When I talk about how cartoony and unnaturally smooth and fluid lazy motion capture looks, people pretend like I'm just LOOKING for something to hate. Now suddenly people are crawling out of the woodwork to actually recognize that there hasn't been any significant CG evolution since Jurassic Park.As I've said in other TBs, I thought Gollum was a step in the right direction, and I hoped that character animation would really take off from there. Unfortunately it's only gotten more and more lazy. Everything in this trailer still looks like either rubber, latex, or plastic. Rubber and latex for the skin of pretty much every living CG thing, and plastic for everything else.And come on, are there really people stupid enough to say "Oh well maybe these shots just aren't finished and it'll look way better in the final release"? Honestly, I can understand why some still want to cling to hope, but it doesn't take a very high IQ to see the many logical and technical reasons why the enormous makeover required for this film to reach a better level of realism is impossible at this point. Use your brain, damn.
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Anyone up for calling fans of the film that? You know like Browncoats or BSG Nerds.
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it looked very good but in terms of ocular rapeage... It barely touched the sides. Sorry. Just my opinion. And as one of the 10 percent of the population that gets headaches from 3D.....
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it's like a cartoon. Not excited about this movie.
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Though I have to admit theres some impressing visuals here I was kinda shocked. What was this talk about putting so much work into making this Pandora world as realistic as possible? I was willing to buy these giant stone rings, alhthough no geological explanation for those comes to mind immediately. Sorry, but when the first floating rocks showed up i thought Mr. Cameron must be kidding. This was supposed to be science fiction, wasn't it? Floating rocks that's not science fiction, that's fantasy. You should hear the utter distaste i put into the word "fantasy" in such occasions.
Or is this the film's McGuffin? Are the nasty humans there to mine for the world's precieous anti gravity pixie dust?
Big blue elves with even bigger eyes, this seems to be made for the generation anime. I prefer some science in my science fiction. Guess teenagers are gonna love it. May not tank after all.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:08:39 PM CDT
I can't believe anyone says it looks horrible, it doesn't look h
by magic rat
But it doesn't appear that it continues the progression of CGI that Cameron started with T2 going all the way through Lord of the Rings.
It seems like a minor step forward, instead of a major one, and I think that's why people are upset. Most were expecting a huge leap and in 2D, its hard to tell if this is that much of a leap. We might all be singing a different tune come December, though. -
Aug 20, 2009 1:08:44 PM CDT
THIS WILL BE A GAME CHANGER, AFTER IT FUCKING BOMBS, STUDIO'S...
by carlthormark1978
Will think twice about spendig 300 million on a fucking movie and start financing smaller movies.
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We're actually setting up the Blue Cat Corral in Second Life right now. Stop by if you want to share thoughts, poetry, or song.
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You may be right... both Cameron and Lucas have sworn off 35mm film for 24P digital film making as well.
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Its the whole promotion thing.Fox has really fucked it up with this,especially if we are talking about a such overhyped and anticipated movie.
I dont know if Cameron has reacted,given an official statement or broke some heads in Fox.But he should do something with Fox and how they handle the whole PR thing.
Things like crashed sites,inability of geting tickets or downloading the trailer,all these cause more damage to the film than promote.and more importantly a better trailer,and better movie/production captures should have been releashed to the impatient audience/geekdom.
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Not because the efx were mind-blowing, but because they managed to make a 37 million dollar indie-ish flick look like 200 million dollar blockbuster. THAT is going to be the challenge to beat, especially in these tough times -- making cool ass movies as cheaply as possible that still feature good efx, rather than blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on something that doesn't really look all that much better.
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Emergency bulletin from Second Life: our model makers don't know what Na'Vi cocks are supposed to look like. Can someone please get Cameron to open his concept vaults?
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Second Life update: we've managed to put realistic cocks on the Avatar mech suits, still no progress on the Na'vi.
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Just I said from the footage at SDCC, it’s going to be the best movie on years, BUT still not completely across the "Uncanny valley"... The most evident CGI? The mechas and the messy rotto work on the guy on the chopper (!), the most realistic? Neytiri firing the arrow or Sully screaming (as a Na'vi)....
And those people saying that we are "haters" because we don't think the effects are completed realistic?....*sigh*...
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Everything I' ve heard and seen says this is Dances with Wolves in space.
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This is easily one of the best CGI I've seen ever. Don't compare that fake-ass floating fortress of D-9 with many of the shots you see here.
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Gagh!! He really is the new Lucas.
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Because that's part of what excites me. Trying to imagine what I see in the trailer in 3D on a giant ass screen. And I still think it looks great and not at all like what several people have used as comparison. Not mind shattering or world changing, but my mind is telling me it's going to be a fun ride in the theater all the same.
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The movie certainly looks pretty, and will probably be very neat in 3D, but I could say the same of Beowulf. The shots of humans in action look too plastic. I'd rather they just used real people. Some of the closeups were impressive though. I'll definitely see it, but keeping my expectations in check.
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I'm not a huge fan, but the thing is they have to be relatively human looking because Worthingtons character falls in love with one of them.
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Second Life update: Avatar Day is a hit at Furtopia 2k9, but could Cameron please release some tracks from the score? We've got the Ferngully soundtrack and "Earth Song" by MJ on a loop.
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not a leap foward, perhaps not as graphically amazing as promised, but I can see where the money went. There are just too many people working with CGI for anyone to expect the kind of OMG reaction that this footage might have had say five or ten years ago.
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I think it's something to do with the female only being able to fit four fingers up her pussy, and the male needing five fingers to properly grip his cock. I can't confirm any of that though...
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I mean, I ain't a racist, but if the bitch is blue, there's something wrong with the pussy.
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Nitpicking everything to death, and making absurd hyberbolic comparisons. There isn't a videogame on the market even close to the way this thing looks. Yes, Avatar looks terrific. I am fairly pleased. For all the whiners talking about how this isn't photo-real - look at the scene where Jake's avatar is on the bench- look at the feet-it looks like an actor in blue make-up and prosthetics. Or when he hits the glass - they've got rid of the overly smooth and fluid CG movements that digital characters usually have. Granted, there are a couple of shots - most notably the group of Na'vi's shouting a battle cry, and Jake and Neytiri in the forest with the floating dandelions, which aren't quite over the uncanny valley, but this is still a heck of an achievement, and if you don't think so, then you are clearly a spoiled, joyless basement dweller. Suck it up because this is just a teaser, and things are only going to get even better when you see things in context and with the correct 3D presentation - not to mention that they'll be doing a lot of fine-tuning/ color correcting on the visuals in the run-up to the release. All you blase fuckers will be eating it as this movie becomes a phenomenon.Avatar - Attempting forced entry on Dec 18th!!
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Dances With Wolves is like, easily in my top ten favorite movies of all time. Probably near the top five. So there you go. lol
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Gollum worked because they had Serkis’s performance as a reference for the CGI artists who went in and animated the face by hand. Motion capture is okay for body movement but it completely lacks any sort of fine detail when it comes to peoples faces which is why you end up with these deadeyed zombies that Zemekis has in his movies these days.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjDc-d2DSQ&feature=player_embedded
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are because of some crazy fluctuations in this planet's magnetic field...I read that in one of the recent articles online in the build-up to avatar day.
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I don't know what your guys' problems are with it. The action set-pieces look fucking epic. Definitely looks like an extremely entertaining film.
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Second Life Advisory Bulletin: Could users wearing Ferngully avatars please stay clear of the Avatar Faire grounds? I just got an e-mail from the VP of Fox Interactive Marketing about brand confusion.
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I guess there have been advances in "background" CGI, the stuff you don't notice, scenery and environmental effects.
But in terms of full-CGI creatures / characters taking part in a scene, Jurassic Park remains the 16-year-old gold standard. Gollum was also very impressive, but I wasn't impressed by the battle elephants or CGI people in LOTR. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9P_St-sOWY
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seriously, this is the shit Cameron has had people wanking off about for the last year? If I wanted to see a live action cartoon I'd go watch GI Joe, at least that movie didn't talk itself up as high art. The CG looks like hell, should have hired Pixar.
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Think thats because of the 'Unobtanium' which is the substance that people are on the planet to mine. Used to have the script to this from years ago.
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a user in io9.com:
I do this work professionally and have friends working at Weta on this....
the environments are stunning, the mechs and ships and the various tech is gorgeous...
the characters are very good, they are creeping up the other side of the uncanny valley but not all the way out. I don't think it's the work that causes this but the design, the Na'vi are far to close to looking like humans...the Jake avatar's smile is so human that it just doesn't work, so many people are saying that the aliens in District 9 are better - but they didn't look at all like humans.
the real judgement will come in the theatre in 3D with dialogue and some 'acting moments'...some great moments in the teaser - the toes, the hands...but it's the face that people will be looking at and getting their sense of the characters from...as it stands this isn't going to change anything in VFX, except perhaps the willingness of the studios to allow these kinds of characters in their films.
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Second Life James Cameron Q&A continues. User WulffShadow would like to know: "Can the Na'vi have sex with the pterodactyls/jungle cats and if so can you describe what that's like"
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the have spaceships, and can transplant someone's consciousness into an alien, but the guy still rolls around in an 18th century wheelchair? What the fuck is that all about?
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Aug 20, 2009 1:24:22 PM CDT
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
hahahahahahaahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhhh..... Sorry, just had to come and laugh at supposed film lovers who don't recognise how fucking special this is going to be. I personally have not been this excited since the year we had Lucas, Kubrick and Malick return......FUCK ALL YOU PUNKS. THE KING IS BACK BABY!!!!!!!!
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Because once the blue folk moved into the neighborhood, it drove the property values way down....I mean, it's hard to really judge on a computer screen. But, I can see how this is considered the next evolutionary step in CGI. The image clarity during some of the action scenes is pretty impressive. Very easy to follow. But, the characters still have a hint of that unnatural motion. And, I don't want to hear about how they are aliens, and we have no point of reference from which to judge their movements. Like many TBers said before, it still looks a little cartoonish. You know it does. I had to watch it with the volume down because I'm at work, so I don't know if the dialogue sounds gay or not. Nice visuals, though.
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And It's Super Gay
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...for not making something "game-changing" based on watching this teaser is a complete fucking moron.
Look at the fucking detail that has gone into every shoot. Look at how fucking spectacular all the environments look. Look at those absolutely amazing looking battle sequences. Think of it all when it's in 3-D. It really is shaping up to be like something we've never seen... if the rest of this movie is like this, I'll be there three times opening weekend. -
Aug 20, 2009 1:27:17 PM CDT
WHY IS CGI GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR???
by carlthormark1978
In every other instance, technology gets cheaper over time and yet the exact opposite is true with CGI effects. The entire Lord of the Ring’s trilogy was done for 300 mill and yet King Kong, which came out two years later, cost over 200 million, the equivalent of two Rings movies. Ten year ago I said to myself that CGI was going to revolutionize cinema because over time it would get cheaper and allow Directors to make whatever they wanted at a fraction of the cost because of the limitless potential of CGI. Some people point to District 9 but I don’t believe for one second that that movie only cost 30 mill and I think that Blomkamp and Jackson are lying, having kept the real budget off the books.
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Once any of you people actually learn anything about this industry, then you're welcome to give your advice or opinion. You people seriously know fuck-all about anything. All you do is talk shit with no real substantial knowledge to back any of it up. Are you the basement-dwelling, X-box playing mama's boys the world says you are? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. But you'll never make anything the world will spend money to see or enjoy or grow up watching, or call their all-time favorite films. All you know how to do is talk out your ass. I'm sure there's a great future in that. Have a nice life, morons.
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WTF?!
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Fuck you. Dances With Wolves was perfect, and didn't have CG. Fucking kids.
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that aliens who have evolved on another planet, under the influence of a completely different ecosystem, look like night elves from World of Warcraft? Does ANYONE else sense a complete and absolute lack of ANY imagination here? Does Cameron (who has made some of my favorite movies) not realize that we have all seen this shit before? In goddamned VIDEOGAMES no less? I am totally baffled... there had better be some BIG surprises in the movie to save it from the crap that the trailer shows.
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This could have been done 10 years ago.
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Humans=bad, aliens=misunderstood species, plot concept. War Of The Worlds withstanding, Aliens was the last kick-ass "bad" alien film. I'm not counting Starship Troopers because of the whole facist angle.
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Every year, year in year out, we hype the fuck out of things in our own minds, with a moderate amount of encouragement from the people who make these films.
Every year after a 2 minute trailer or after watching the thing as a whole, we weep like fresh operation scars in a hot bath.
Because like the spoilt, over-indulged, joyless, uninspired, jaded, experts that we are, we get angry, because we know, dont we, that deep down we spend too much time focusing on this shit and all the fucking fun has gone out of it.
That trailer was not the face of fucking God, but it was impressive, a lot of people's hard graft i'd imagine and if you cant find just one good thing to say about it, i just dont know what the fuck anyone could say to you, i really fucking dont.
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So that's why everything is going to look like its sort of floating and not really reacting to normal wind and gravity. Gotchya. We need to get that on our planet, then my life would look more photoreal.
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Sorry, I know the buzz, I think this movie looks like total shit. The story is stupid, the effects looks mind-boggling dumb, the "Avatars" or whatever they are called look cartoonish. The love scenes looked laughable. I know this movie will make shitloads of money, but I will not see it - it looks like total crapola to me. Plus who gives a shit about 3D - 3D ALWAYS sucks. 3D is NOT the future of film-making and Cameron is wasting huge money and blowing his whole career on this junk project.
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I really hope this looks better in IMAX because so far it looks like a clone of many other CGI duds.
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Hey, somebody had to say it...
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Just a bunch of losers railing against the hype by thinking they are unique and above it all by shitting on all the most popular and mainstream things going on when actually you are just being as conformist and pathetic as ever because you're just saying you think it's shit when we all know everyone is gonna at least check this out. You're all such hypocritical bastards.
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Watch the Kashykk sequence with the Wookies and realise your mistake.
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JUST FUCKING GOOGLE THAT AND READ WHAT YOU FIND.
James Cameron said in an interview back in 2007 that this whole thing was heavily inspired by ERB and other pulp adventure writers working in that particular sub-genre of sci-fi. That sub-genre has always had more in common with your average fantasy story than with most sci-fi stuff. "Planetary romance" is basically a "lost world" story set on another planet instead of an ancient civilization here on earth. Sci-fi has not always been cyberpunk and space opera. There was a time when these kinds of stories were the best-sellers and the most popular.
If anything, this is Cameron's riff on a classic pulp sci-fi adventure story. Cinematically he might have intended it to be some sort of leap forward, but in terms of the story, he ALWAYS intended it to be a bit of a throwback/homage.
http://tinyurl.com/m6ghpt
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They can only be killed by eye-fucking. Thats much better then spyware/aids/water.
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Though maybe you don't consider that a kick-ass film. Lots of shit blew up though!
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Aug 20, 2009 1:31:34 PM CDT
Hollywood, stop using CGI RIGHT NOW and hire Peter Jackson to do
by felwithe
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this one time like ten years ago, i was on this dr. pepper, gummi bear, and acid diet.. for medicinal reasons, anyway one day I went outside to watch the D&D kids play dress-up in the park. This looks just like that!
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Second Life Update: User Crow3711 says: "Just a bunch of losers railing against the hype by thinking they are unique and above it all by shitting on all the most popular and mainstream things going on when actually you are just being as conformist and pathetic as ever because you're just saying you think it's shit when we all know everyone is gonna at least check this out. You're all such hypocritical bastards." Special thanks to Crow3711 for solving our modeling problem, the new Na'vi cocks look perfect.
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Iggy Pop.
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Whatchu talkin bout?
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on your shit-ass monitor. Time for an upgrade.
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JARVATARD
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is going to 'fuck' the alien female Neuteri.And i am sorry,but we are not talking about hardcore scifi here,its a movie for everybody and not just for the few hardcore geeks who have grown up with serious,pure scifi books.
Audience has somehow to relate with this love aspect of the movie,or do u think that the general audiene is prepared to accept a human fuckin a sponglike alien?
THINK BEFORE U POST -
JARVATARD
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Cameron, in a FOX Myspace Fanchat session presented by Pepsi Max, further clarified the concept of Planetary Romance: "The bows and arrows and bead jewelry and the little leather rag outfits they wear are meant to signal that the Na'vi represent non-whites."
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Wrong movie...
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Don't leave us! We need your enlightenment on everything movie related! How dare we express any opinions on a entertainment website which ENCOURAGES opinions. Fuck us!
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When a director has ten years off between films...and at least 3 years hyping up his new project...building anticipation...saying that he's wanted to make this film FOREVER but ONLY NOW is there the VISUAL POWER to deliver his "game-changing" vision...then drops the first teaser trailer...it better kick some serious ass, or that director will look like a fool. He WANTS us to react strongly. And so we are.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:37:26 PM CDT
Ironhelix, REALLY, THEY STILL HAVE CRIPPLES IN AVATAR'S FUTUREWO
by carlthormark1978
They can genetically engineer a fucking alien and transplant a person’s consciousness into it and yet they can’t fix his fucking legs? Really scientifically accurate Cameron, you fucking douchebag.
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was pull the plug on that catscan looking machine he was placed in to become one with his Avatar. It's that simple to stop him from acting like an ass after he switched sides for some alien trim. There's something not right with the fact that the film ignores that.
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tram, over there are Universal Studios! You know how they hate it where their guides are late!
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Aug 20, 2009 1:37:45 PM CDT
Nobody Is Bitching That Cameron Didn't Make A Game Changer
by laserpants
We're calling him to task for the fact that the efx clearly haven't lived up to the hype -- hype he himself started! We're pointing out that his ego bluster was just that -- hollow posturing. I say this, thinking it definitely does looks cool, its just not what the man SHOUTED at us for a few years that it would be. It looks about on par, efx wise, with LOTR, the Star Wars prequels, King Kong, and the Matrix sequels. Which isn't to say that it looks bad, just that it doesn't live up to HIS hype.
Oh and like I said, District 9 is the game changer -- making good efx on the cheap. Anyone can throw more money at a picture, but it takes serious skill to make a $37 million dollar flick look like a $200 million one. And with the economy they way it is, the cheap-but-GREAT aesthetic is going to be the new trend. Watch. -
it looks great. I'll be there. Does it look "photoreal"? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean anymore.
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"Yeah, I read that issue of 'Heavy Metal', too." - Dr. Thaddeus Venture.
Actually, I'm just kidding. I have no idea what everybody's bitching about, aside from the collective need to piss on anything because this is the Internet and they can. First of all, the CGI looks pretty goddamn impressive, like "Gollum" impressive and maybe even a little more solid than "Gollum". I'll grant you that the character design is a little goofy (I'm sure they were aiming for "friendly anthropomorphic that the audience can relate to" and wound up making compromises), but once you actually see them moving, and in the fabled "Pandora" environment, it works for me. What the hell were guys expecting? Exactly how "realistic" does it have to be?!? Would you have been happier with puppets, ala DARK CRYSTAL, or stop-motion? Truthfully, if this were twenty years earlier, you'd be lodging the same complaints at either process. I certainly didn't get the PHANTOM MENACE vibe from that trailer, I think it completely works. Fortunately, this talkback represents a very small sector of the doubtlessly huge audience that's gonna go see it this December, and the people bitching here bitching about it can stay locked in their rooms and write more fucking STAR TREK fan-fiction or whatever. -
You begin to realize whyANIMALS EAT THEIR YOUNG!
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Good movie? Sure, it's a solid B/B+. But it's guilty of the most pathetic, unimaginative cop-out in sci-fi: they made every Prawn look exactly the fucking same. Jesus fuck they had to render one fucking model and dress one Prawn up in clothes so you'd know CJ is actually an important character. D9 is entertaining, sure, but there's nothing profound, insightful or visionary about it. And if you think there is, you really need to read more books and learn to think for yourself.
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It will be great just to see original material enter the sci-fi. I do trust cameron's storytelling and look forward to this. Blue cattle-eyed humanoids within the lighting environment of another planet are not something our eyes are not used too. Less believable than D9 aliens by far. On the level of Smeagol I would say. Is that not good enough for us anymore. New technology does not always equal realism but could mean better performance.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:40:02 PM CDT
2009 will go down as one the great years for Science Fiction.
by the_genteel_gentile
Tree Of Life, Avatar, District 9, Moon, Star Trek, 2012, Transformers:ROTF, Daybreakers, Gamer, Outlander, Surrogates, Pandorum, The Box, The Fouth Kind, The Time-Traveler's Wife, Knowing... Sci-Fi hasn't had this good of a year since 1997 gave us Gattica, Contact, Dark City (technically Feb.98), Starship Troopers, The Fifth Element, Men In Black, Face/Off, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Alien: Resurrection, Deep Rising, Sphere, Event Horizon, Mimic, and the original Star Wars trilogy special editions.
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... and this is something that all the naysayers should REALLY think about.I've watched that trailer this afternoon more times than I care to say. While that might make me a sad fuck, it has also made something else crystal clear. When I first watched the trailer, some of the shots - especially the two full screen close ups of Zoe Saldana's character - did jar a little with me. It didn't dilute my anticipation and I thought the effects were awe-inspiring, but I was still very conscious of looking at an effect. On an aside, I think this is what most people mean with their criticism, which is why I have such big problems with people resorting to crude insults and misplaced derision. Can't anybody express themselves properly anymore?However, I've found that the more you watch - even if it IS the same scenes over and over - the less the effects SEEM like effects, to the point that those close ups now honestly look to me completely real.This is, I think, an important lesson for the film as a whole. 20 minutes in people will probably be very conscious of the effects, but IF Cameron does his storytelling job properly (and track record suggests he will), by the end people should be so immersed in the world that effects don't matter anymore.The last card is, obviously, the 3D, but I can't comment on that yet until I see the preview tomorrow, so I won't. I imagine there will be a whole new TB created specifically anyway.
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and Independence Day..did I say "good"?
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I'll be there opening weekend too.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:42:35 PM CDT
KNOWING FUCK ALL ABOUT ANYTHING IS WHY TALKBACK OPINIONS ARE GOL
by bringingsexyback
The more the fuck all, the better.
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the teaser makes me want to see more, it intrigues me. I think the CG looks as good as possible for the tech we have today and for such a scale that this film is on. This looks King Kong/LOTR big. I've seen the trailer a few times now, in 1080p, and I've paused it during effects shots. The Na'vi look damn 3D and fully realized to me. The main characters for the most part look full bodied and not flat. The big problem still with CG and motion capture is the movement still isn't 100% natural. But what is natural for machines and creatures which don't exist? We're saying it doesn't look photo-real but we don't have photos of these things to compare that to! I'm just saying I think a lot of people are being hard on it but keep in mind these are the best CG artists in the world with the biggest budget in the world. It's as good as current tech allows. You're an idiot if you think this looks like a video-game or Star Wars. This is better realized. Quit your fucking whining and let's just hope for a good fantasy film.
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Say it loud CTM!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 1:43:51 PM CDT
Sam Worthington looks fake. But those tall blue animals are amaz
by gruemanlives
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This vid fucked my ears!!!
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boy...lotsa jaded folks here...
personally, i was blown away with what i saw, and will most definitely be in line to see this in the theatre....the aliens looked 100% real to me, and like 'flames gotta eat' who posted somwhere above me, I also paused this throughout the trailer, and thought it looked fantastic. can't wait to see this....looks great..and my guess is that the story is what will make it compelling...all the effects in the world can't keep an audience in thrall if the story sucks.... -
I gar ron tee!
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but that is exactly my point: a true hardcore sci-fi geek should welcome this movie. The problem is that the people on here crying about how unoriginal this is are not real sci-fi fans, or they would have a bit more historical perspective on the sci-fi genre in this country. Edgar Rice Burroughs is the grandfather of American sci-fi, and was, at one time, the best-selling author in the world. He popularized the sub-genre of sci-fi into which this film intentionally falls. Crying about stuff in this movie looking like stuff we've already seen is like crying about a new western in which everyone is wearing a cowboy hat and riding a horse: these things are called "codes" and they help to define their genre. If some of the people here would put down the Xbox 360 controller long enough to learn something about the history of cinema, or what a "genre" is and how it is defined, or what it means to have storytelling with a "universal" appeal, or who the fuck Joseph Campbell was, they might not be crying so much.
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I thought it was going to blow me away but one part looked like Bioshock (The part with the hands). Looks like a nice enough movie but the hype was ridiculous for this.
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The Xbox 360 is history for moi.
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Oh please. Do relax. You're embarrassing yourself. I liked D9, but I'm far from jerking off about it. I was actually disappointed that the social commentary didn't go further. It certainly wasn't as good as Children of Men. But thats not what I'm talking about with D9 in relation to Avatar or any other Big Deal Efx Movie. Just based on the numbers, D9 is a $37 million dollar movie that looks like a $200 million dollar one (or at least a 100-125 million dollar one). Avatar looks like a $200 million dollar movie, but probably cost about $300 million AND, its not anything we haven't already seen before. This movie will live, or die, on the strength of the story and its characters. If Cameron manages that, and he has before with Aliens and Terminator, it'll be a Classic. If not, it'll just be another efx workout that people get tired of really quickly. I really hope its the former, because it certainly looks cool, and the premise is tight. Its just not a game changer. You know it, I know it, and it appears the vast majority of people on this site know it.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:48:57 PM CDT
LlGHTST0RMER, REAL FUCKING ORIGINAL PUT DOWNS THERE DIPSHIT.....
by carlthormark1978
Oh, because we don’t “work in the industry” we can’t criticize why a 300 million dollar fucking movie looks like a piece of shit? Go fuck yourself you moron. THREE. HUNDRED. MILLION. DOLLARS. Let’s your fucking pea sized brain absorb that number for a few minutes then come back and tell us why we shouldn’t expect anything less than a masterpiece from a movie that cost the GNP of Guam? You know, I fucking called this shit years ago. Cameron wasn’t waiting until CGI got better to achieve his “vision”, NO, it was always about waiting until budgets got so high that no one would flinch at a 300 million dollar price tag. Ironically, as Cameron’s movies have gotten more expensive, his movies have gotten shittier. He did his best work on Aliens and The Terminator which were both relatively low budget for the time. The guy hasn’t made a GREAT movie since Terminator 2 which was 18 fucking years ago and the last time his ridiculous budget was justified.
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and every time it gets better.especially the scene when Sams alien says 'this is great' seems so fuckin natural,so real.
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What do you think of this trailer? I give it a B- for some faulty CGI, but I'm still looking forward to a sci-fi epic. What say you?
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not even the best story in the world. the craptastic visuals will overshadow the story.
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HERES THE ANSWER AND I'M GOING TO YELL JUST LIKE YOU DID.
BECAUSE A LITTLE COMAPANY CALLED AUTODESK BOTH OUT ALL THE CGI 3D CREATION PACKAGES. THEY OWN MAYA AND 3D MAX AND XSI AND MUDBOX. THERE IS LITERALLY NO COMPETITION ANYMORE, THERES STILL THE FREE BLENDER AND THE AWESOME ZBRUSH (WAY BETTER THAN MUDBOX) AND ONE OTHER 3D PACK WHO'S NAME I CANT THINK OFF RIGHT NOW. NO COMP, THEY SET THE PRICE. THE ONE LICENSE PER SOFTWARE COPY LAW THAT PASSED IN INDIANA FUCKED THIS SHIT UP AS WELL. SO INSTEAD OF A STUDIO BUYING ONE COPY OF THE CGI 3D PACKAGE AND PLACING IT ON ALL THE COMPUTERS AND SEVERS THEY HAVE. NOW THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR EACH LICENSE. LASTLY GRAPHIC CARDS HAVE LEFT THE CONSUMER GRADE ERA AND MOVED OVER INTO THE RICH PROFESSIONAL MARKET. CASE IN POINT THE NEW NVIDA QUADRO CARDS. AT THIS RATE CGI IS GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING YOU CAN ONLY LEARN AT A CREDITED SCHOOL UNDER STUDENT SCALE PRICES FOR THE SOFTWARE, AND I THINK IT FUCKING SUCKS!!!!! -
But, it's like a space Disney kinda looking thing. I'm not 100% on board.
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I think everybody continues to forget that, the last time Cameron made a movie, it was a love story set on the Titanic that threatened to bankrupt two major studios (Fox and Paramount), held the record for the most footage shot for one movie and, if you think about it, had ultimately less-than-impressive CGI -- a movie that everyone was damn near positive was gonna make WATERWORLD and HEAVEN'S GATE (the film it was constantly being likened to until its release) look like TRANSFORMERS 2 by box-office comparison.
So ... what about AVATAR looks like it's gonna suck? The CGI, which looks pretty goddamn amazing (not game-changing, but certainly in the same league or better that any other CGI-heavy film you can name in the last fifteen years)? The fact that Cameron's bringing back the Space Marines and apparently staging all the battles and capturing the "epic" scope that was barely hinted at in ALIENS? The fact that Cameron's directing a balls-out action movie again? Did you guys wish one of those blue cat chicks would just jump out of the fucking computer and have sex with you right there in your mom's spare bedroom?!? Eh, go ahead and whine some more. -
live up to the classic battles of yesteryear...Transformers, LOTR, Indy..etc. And now...FIGHT!
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If you loved Planet Terror, you'll love House of the Dead Overkill.
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Autodesk pulled a microsoft and killed all the comp by buying them up.
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I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
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regardless your blinded hate,u should realise this:
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It looks cool as hell and I will be seeing this movie, because it is Cameron doing Sci-Fi. But I don't see anything that I would consider groundbreaking and as I sad before the CGI aliens look like CGI aliens, but perhaps that's the point and the best is being saved for when I see the actual film, which is definitely a good thing. The teaser did it's job, it has me interested.
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Because clicking on Apple's link brings the crashies to my comp.
But I will say that it's pretty meh compared to D9, my retinae are not aroused and there are plotholes aplenty. That's my opinion until I see this damned teaser. -
"You said "Because like the spoilt, over-indulged, joyless, uninspired, jaded, experts that we are, we get angry, because we know, dont we, that deep down we spend too much time focusing on this shit and all the fucking fun has gone out of it."
I couldn't agree more. I think some of us are so blown away by movies when we were little that we keep that enthusiasm. Only thing is when we were kids (or at least if you were a kid pre-internet) we were forced to just be patient and wait it out.
The internet and sites like AICN have turned us all into out of work movie executives who have all the knowledge, and nothing really to do WITH that knowledge.
I mean, if you are not going to become a filmmaker... what is the point? In our cynical age we have taken out all the mystery and surprise of films by opening our christmas presents early just so we have something to talk about and complain about online.
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"If some of the people here would put down the Xbox 360 controller long enough to learn something about the history of cinema, or what a "genre" is and how it is defined, or what it means to have storytelling with a "universal" appeal, or who the fuck Joseph Campbell was, they might not be crying so much."
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see the trailer and youll know what im taking about
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All the haters:
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When the bean counters count their beans and realize they made a larger profit from a cheaper movie, that will be the end of the Bazillion Dollar Blockbuster Tentpole. Watch. The D9 indie-ish summer flick will be the new trend.
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are the same? Are you kidding me? It looks great for the compressed low res image that it is -- compared the big screen image. The movie will be fine and probably kick ass.
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Aug 20, 2009 1:55:34 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, OH I'LL BE FIST FUCKING THIS MOVIE COME DECEMB
by carlthormark1978
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This bitching is so pathetic.
One of the most revered sci-fi directors of the last 30 years hands you an almost completely cg trailer with incredible effects, battle-mechs, and spaceships dogfighting with flying dragons, and you proceed to shit all over it and calling it crap. Seriously, just kill yourselves now, you'll never be happy. -
Like I said before, this movie probably has a built in learning curve to get you fully immersed in the new world you will be seeing. Much like Speed Racer. I hated that movie for the first 15 minutes of it, then I finally figured it ou and my eyes got in tune to the visuals and I ended up loving it.
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Hahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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JOLIE HAD PEACHFUZZ ON HER FACE. NO PEACHFUZZ ON CGI FACES IN AVATAR. ::::::::END OF LINE::::::::
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I've watched it in HD several times now and my opinion hasn't wavered. The planet rendering looks great..the mechs look pretty tight and the creature effects are pretty solid EXCEPT for the Na'vi themselves. They simply don't live up to the rest of the rendering. BUT....it's a long time til Christmas. They're still doing post-production. One never knows...he may continue to tinker a bit (he tinkered til 2 months prior to T2's release). Some folks seem to think post-production ends months before but that's not always the case. As far as living up to the hype..of course it doesn't. How could it? The hype is a factor of the fanbase - not James himself (he's promised nothing).
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said to his interview he gave here in aicn,during the comicon.i prompted the haters to read this,but god forbid,we have to hate something,do we?
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weird. I guess I will be attending the 3D version. Definitely!
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I liked it...
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You don't need to DEFY me, the two IMAX theaters in my state already have. They booked A Christmas Carol for this holiday season. I want to see how IMAX even stays afloat, when half of them only show those fucking discovery channel docs and Fly Me To The Moon?
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The music sounds a lot like John Murphy's 28 weeks later...Check out track 3 Helicpoter Chase
Maybe an arrangement?
As for the trailer....when Sam Worthington smiled, the butter on my toast just magically melted.... I swear ! I swear !!!!! -
Getting a weird feeling about this movie.
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Huh...I saw both trailers for AVATAR and THE WOLF MAN today, and strangely, my expectations for each were reverse. I was wholly unimpressed by the AVATAR teaser (which makes me sad, because I was really hoping the Jim Cameron of ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, and TRUE LIES was back), whereas the WOLF MAN trailer looked awesome (and I hate hate hate hate hate Joe Johnston's work...well, everything except THE ROCKETEER, which was boss).
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In this. They'll fit right in with the one that roars before attacking, as they did the same thing in Star Trek.
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in his mobile,and his reaction was that he wasnt impressed with the films cgi.JESUS.
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I'll give it that. James Cameron set the bar on that and then some. the hair is braided up like that to save money. They don't have to spend as much to animate it as they would have if it was normal long hair. what also makes me laugh is the fact that the avatar in the tube has his hair already dreaded up like that. Who's job was it to do that to it. What would be worse, is to learn that it grew in the tube like that with that Joe Dirt Hairdo making itself.
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It's depressing how much you guys hate everything. I think if you're hyped for a film you should avoid it's TalkBacks. Shit like this tends to happen way too often.
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Fucking MAN-CATS: The Movie!!! BSB, I hope you see the trailer eventually! But on a serious note, even as someone who does not like James Cameron's body of work, I think comparing AVATAR to D-9 is a little unfair. They are arguably different sub-genres of sci-fi. AVATAR looks like your space-opera/gothic tale whereas D-9 was a mockumentary/personalized story. I think FX-wise, WETA's work on D-9 rivals anything ILM has put out yet. I was not a fan of WETA's LOTR work (save for Gollum), but here they've taken charge. As for AVATAR... it will be DANCES WITH MAN-CATS. I'll still check it out.
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Was there a Jimmy C interview posted on AICN from Comic Con? I must have missed it.
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For Sound and SFX.
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Aug 20, 2009 2:05:14 PM CDT
I can't wait to see the exended foortagte tomorrow, though
by lockesbrokenleg
at least I didn't pay anything for it.
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do we really want all of our epic sci-fi/fantasy/action films to be cheap? District 9 looked cool, but really I could tell how cheap it was in some cases. This film LOOKS expensive. The fucking plane hitting sonic boom as it enters Pandora, the mechs, the vehicles, the sets. I don't want this shit to go away just because Neil Blomkamp made a successful film. Can't they co-exist. If this is the era of cheap action films. Then fuck it.
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Do you need a blue cat hug? Talkbacks got ya down?
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He has a braid pony tail in the tube not dreads. Ok I missed that one. My bad, my bad. I still say the way apart eyes makes you focus your attention to one side of the avatars face and thats the biggest issue I have with the film so far.
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i cant stop watching it...granted im not hyped about it yet...that will be tomorrow...but why the fuck are people hating on it? people are wanting this to fail like nobodys business. and thats pathetic..
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I don't understand the hate
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Aug 20, 2009 2:08:45 PM CDT
And the setpieces in this film are like my fucking dreams!!!
by thewaqman
Cool alien-Dragons vs. Giant space-choppers. Rhinos vs. Mechs etc. How are you guys not excited for this? It looks like it will be so much fun.
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Grow up kids, the CG is fine.
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not complaining at all.
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If you like the music ..... go buy 28 weeks later!!!
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show me where cams said its a game changer..if anyone said that--it was rothman...from fox..hoping to get his investment back..we'll see tomorrow..i enjoyed and am impressed about what i saw..but this film for all intents and purposes isnt meant to be seen on a computer monitor...
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Aug 20, 2009 2:11:03 PM CDT
HAHAHAHA... WOW, I have to agree SG: Universe DOES look better t
by blhotz
Again, perhaps it will look 4x better in Imax. How pathetic would it be if a TV show looks better than Avatar.
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Anyone know? Are we talking Funny People long? Are just 2 hours?
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Hahahaaaaaa, shit! Maybe it's because I only got 2 hours of sleep last night, but seeing that shit typed out on my screen made me lose it. Glad I didn't have a mouthful of soda.
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should just stop watching movies. This is definitely Scrooge central.
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Is that the name of the article with the James Cameron interview I asked you about?
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We KNOW what we see and it sure seems like A LOT of us are disappointed... again, sure hope it looks better in IMAX!!!
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Looked to me like a cutscene from Starcraft 2.
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http://www.mininova.org/tor/ 2869666
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Neat! They made Lion-O blue...I wonder if he'll snarl, yell and leap through the forest canopy.
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It's true.
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Aug 20, 2009 2:14:06 PM CDT
I DON’T GIVE A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT EDGAR RICE BURROUGHS…..
by carlthormark1978
I want a fucking SCI-FI MOVIE and my idea of Sci-fi is Phillip K. Dick (and to a lesser extent H.P. Lovecraft) where the ideas and concepts are used to drive the story, not used as wallpaper for a thinly veiled allegory about colonialism and a white man going native while falling in love with an aboriginal woman which we’ve seen how many fucking times? Like everyone has been saying DANCES WITH ALIENS….FUCKING YAWN!!!
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Cameron had the biggest hit of all time with Titanic. Now he gets the distinction of having the biggest flop!!!!
$350M and this is all they can come up with.
Cameron should have done T3 + T4 instead this looks utterly terrible CGI for such a big budget movie (which depends on it). 3D will be a gimmick as most people do not want to wear glasses for 2.5 hours. -
every new movie that makes money outside of the set formula is a "game changer"...the hangover threw everyone for a loop...expect to see more of these type films...same goes for "smart adult comedies"--hence the apatow films...yes, D9 is the latest example...hollywood has no more originality left, they just scamper at the latest thing making money..
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Aug 20, 2009 2:16:29 PM CDT
ThePilgrim, VERY INFORMATIVE, I'LL INVESTIGATE FURTHER :)
by carlthormark1978
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He is very modest about avatar.read his aicn interview and u will understand thats the last man in the world to hype this movie.jesus.
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Wow, this is what's being hyped up so much? How disappointing.
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You'd think the wheelchair would be automated or something like everything else in that movie...
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Well, your idea of sci-fi is pretty narrow, and it's a pretty big genre.
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after months and months of anticipation, and the occasional inconsequential photo, it did tease me into wanting to see the movie. Despite what some others think, it has made me truly curious...
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Thundercats Hoooooooooooo! Snarf!
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if you go into the theater thinking its fake..nothing will change that...so let it go...sit back and enjoy the ride...oh yeah, and admit that it looked good..
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He is the reason why you can't find anything other than useless Campbellian/Jungian psychobabble, self-help pulp in the Mythology/Folklore section of any bookstore (save Half Price, Powells, Strand, etc. or a better library, which you have to be lucky enough to live near). These books crowd out anything with the original obscure legends, folktales, myths that they reference.
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The CGI characters do look a bit cartoony and that threw me off at first, especially after all the hype about these effects being "photo-real" and all that, but looking at the trailer again I'm actually really impressed by the motion capture technology and the expressiveness of these digital characters. They look better than anything that's out there right now, more "alive" than even the characters in BEOWULF or other CGI films, so even if it isn't groundbreaking it is certainly as far as the technology has ever been pushed at this point. What will make or break this movie will be the story and the characters, which if handled correctly can outshine even the best special effects. They've got a terrific cast lined up, let's see if Cameron can work his magic with the script. I'm definitely excited and I'm certainly looking forward to seeing this in the biggest theater possible this December.
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I'm not sure what people were expecting. Watched it several times, and you can see the story unfold without using words. That is impressive.
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As a sci-fi fan, I will love this film. But it's going to blow chunks at the box office. There is no fuckin' way the masses are gonna go for this.*******Which doesn't really matter in the long run, but it really bugs me that Cameron's been saying this movie is going to set box office records and change the way cinema is made. Um, no. Mr. Joe Sixpack is gonna laugh like a hyena when he sees this trailer.
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you do not animate hair dude it is driven by a physics engine.
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Well, the problem as we all noticed is Cameron and his big mouth. Nothing else. The CGI look great and the cartoony aspect lies more with the design and the saturated colors of the aliens and the strange world. I am more disappointed by the story that looks like a space "Dances with Wolves" than the look of the movie.
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How did The Hangover throw everyone for a loop? It was Old School 2, just with Zach Galifinakis instead of Will Ferrel, everyone else was the same (or interchangable).
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Aug 20, 2009 2:22:34 PM CDT
PROOF that STARGATE UNIVERSE got better CGI than AVATAR!
by dioxholsterunbound
see for yourself idiots: http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol
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but the thing that I think is really funny is that Zemeckis has been trying for years to do the super-realism thing and he's made like a billion movies full of dead-eyed freaky people, and Cameron's cg people actually look great first time around
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Ever hear of Alfie Bester and THE STARS MY DESTINATION? It is basically a revamp of THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO...your classic revenge story, which we've seen how many times? It is also widely considered to be the greatest sci-fi novel ever written. Not to mention the fact that Phillip K. Dick, a favorite of mine as well, was very open about the fact that his work and its themes were very heavily influenced by the work of Carl Jung. Nothing is original, man...every story has already been told...it's all just looking at familiar shit from new angles.
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But seriously, I'll be there opening night, and so will you.
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http://tinyurl.com/kslbwt
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for the download link
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Anyone forget that the man draw is its going to be 3D I think thats what he meant by "game changing"
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They've got a terrific cast lined up? Lighning boy? Christian Bale lite? The dude from Hottie and the Nottie? Resident Evil girl working off some community service? Sigorny Weaver, does anything these days? Ummmmm who's terrific? Not even Bill Paxton wanted to do a cameo in this.
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talkbacks never ceases to amaze me. I lived to see you people call the Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Terry Gilliam, and now James Cameron overrated. All this while saying Transformers 2 is "just a popcorn movie" so its transgressions don't matter, yet you see 1 second of a "man-cat" and call the movie shit.
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Looks like one of those Xbox 360 games that end up in the 'Two for £20' bit in Gamestation.
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A thank you.
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First of all, you can't find obscure stuff in bookstores because bookstores stock what sells and what is popular. They are in business to make money. Second, I never said that Campbell was any kind of self-help guru, but I think you would be hard-pressed to refute most of the things he has to say about the monomyth.
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Not at all what I expected. Too jungle-y. Too Shark Tale/ Nemo/ Ice Age-y. The MoonCats don't seem to look much like the teaser poster (too light blue. I don't know, man...
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WE KNOW WHAT WE SEE. OMG, how the hell can you argue w/ someones opinion of the visuals????? AGAIN, let's hope IMAX bumps up the visuals 5-fold.
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Where are Yoda and the Wookies fighting the Stormtroopers? OOoops, wrong movie!!
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Same sort of busy CGI scenes, with similar CGI monsters. This is not all bad, but I would have loved to see it be darker, scarier. Still, it is destined to be a smash.
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Why don't you try explaining your position rather then throw out insults then not even bother to back up your assertions with factual data? What do I have a superficial knowledge of? Oh, I guess that it’s because I don’t understand how 300 million could be spent on a fucking movie shot on digital video, eh? Has Cameron hired any 25 million-dollar-a-movie A-listers? Has he built gigantic sets? Did he employ hundreds or thousands of extras for his movie? No. Apart from Weaver, who doesn’t command a huge salary, the movie is filled with C-listers while most of the fucking thing was shot on greenscreen stages with a minimal amount of extras needed. So where did 300 million go? The effects? HA! Then maybe Hollywood needs to think hard about greenlighting these ridiculously over budgeted movies made by technocratic megalomaniacs like Cameron and start financing smaller, more character based movies that don’t need to break the fucking bank?
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You lowered my expectations with all your incessant bitching about the CGI, and now that I watched it I think this looks excellent. You can go suck your own cocks.
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CANT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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there it is!
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it wasnt supposed to make the kind of $$ it did though...there really wasnt any "hype" about the film...
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Here we have a movie with the best CGI to date, and people bash it for not looking "real." Of course it won't look real, it isn't.
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am I the only one who doesn't understand all the Cameron worship?
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Ugh. But everything else looked Damn cool. Is Michael Ironside in this?
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Aug 20, 2009 2:34:52 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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to be fair...about KONG costing the same as the ENTIRE RINGS TRILOGY--to be fair..kong was a little longer..heehee
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I expected better after all of Cameron's "Molyneux-ish" hyperbole about this incredibly expensive project. I know I'll still go see it, and be entertained (I hope), but I hope that this ends up being "game changing" as promised. Unfortunately, right now it looks like I'll be watching Thundercats by way of the Matrix inspired by Halo and Aliens. Not thrilled.
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Whoever you got that quote from is a fucking idiot who is clearly lying his/her ass off. No one who "does this stuff professionally" thinks the things in this trailer look impressive; I've done CG most of my adult life and I could easily tell how awful this was, and everyone I've talked to who has been in the field for a while agrees entirely. So no, that person didn't "say it best"; if they've truly "done this stuff professionally" then I'd like to know what intellectually bankrupt company was actually stupid enough to hire such a braindead moron.
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in an interview a year or more ago that he was going to be the first to have cgi characters and human actors indistinguishable. I don't have a link to the interview but I'm very sure he said it. HE HAS FAILED. Still can be a great movie especially once you add the 3D and Imax elements in but... this is underwhelming.
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kids movies are color saturated. You hate kids movies. You hate Avatar. Phantom Menace was color saturated. You hate Phantom Menace, you hate Avatar. Congradulations on being the painfully average predicable genX emo angst ridden person you are.
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Why is it the only system that never works right on my systems.!
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Yeah but there wasn't much hype about Old School either. It didn't make as much dough, but sequels always do better. Just looked The Hangover made a SHIT TON more dough then Old School.
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http://tinyurl.com/l8vb66
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Avatar = Butt mud
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That is a very impressive trailer, the CG is the best I've seen...period.
I saw someone say it's on par with LOTR and the Matrix Trilogy???? I suggest you get your fucking eyes tested my friend, the images here are far beyond what has come before. Don't get me wrong, I'm still very aware that what I'm looking at is CG, but it's definitely a step above everything else out there.
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...it would take for the "kids movie" excuse to come out again. This IS Phantom Menace all over again.
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...it would take for the "kids movie" excuse to come out. This IS Phantom Menace all over again.
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those robot mechs and choppers dont look real! TRANSFORMERS or any movie got more realistic than that! ILM ROCKS!
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in retrospect. At least Jar Jar didn't look like a lame cat man.
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God and I thought they wasted money with Avatar.
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After all the hoopla about how amazing this movie is supposed to look, I don't see anything I haven't seen already in the SW Prequels.
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when another movie like Transformers 3 comes out with better CGI
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They did District 9 for $30 mil, but this shitfest ran like eleventy gajillion dollars? Booooo...
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You know I'm right.
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Aug 20, 2009 2:42:58 PM CDT
Somwhere George Lucas is reading this and laughing his ass
by lockesbrokenleg
off. ROTS looked better than this.
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I should qualify that last remark: I think that the studios are the ones creating the disappointment these days. So many marketing departments are so eager to tell us that the film they're shilling will change our lives, how can we NOT be disappointed?
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The film looks very impressive, albeit, they still haven't managed to create a real looking CGI puppet. The race of aliens still look very CGI/video gamie??? We were promised something more realistic looking.
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Fuck yes it does.
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TBers are retarded. People bash TDK to hell here. So whatever, the opinions are fairly laughable here. You'll all see this in theatres. And then bash it even if you liked it just so you don't conflict with your hateful opinion you've developed over the past few months. Believe me I used to do it too.
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...at fucking all. I guess I just can't enjoy movies anymore. If this is supposed to look cool, then I am happy to be uncool.
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YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!
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seminars in Amiga graphics....
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Aug 20, 2009 2:44:18 PM CDT
HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A FLYING WHEELCHAIR WITH LAZERS!?!
by carlthormark1978
What kind of shitty futureworld is this?
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Oh wait, lockesbrokenleg said it. Never mind, move along people.
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Michael Ironside SHOULD be in this !!!!!!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 2:45:43 PM CDT
Michael Ironside MUST be in every cool sci fi miltary movie
by lockesbrokenleg
make it so!
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Let's not get carried away, lockesbrokenleg.
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what the fuck trailer did you just watch, because that one looked incredible! If you want to hate the movie for hates' sake go right ahead. You people give star trek and transformers a pass but not this? Get some fucking perspective! A real master hands you a brand new adventure that's not based on a comic book, video game, cartoon or toy and not a remake (which is your biggest gripe toward Hollywood)and instead of being excited you're going to slap Jim in the face? Well, you're fucking welcome. Do you people even like film anymore? Good God. You get what you ask for and whine louder than ever. You guys remind me of a gold digging, trophy wife who has everything she ever wanted served up to her on a silver platter and then says "Meh. I expected more out of life." You know what? When December rolls around, just stay the fuck home. I don't what you bitter, jaded assholes sitting next to me in the theater. Just stay home and play Worl of Warcraft or something. Neither Jim or I need you there.
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Most of you are bitching about being underwhelmed blah blah... Oh you're such a rebel for not liking a small trailer for a big movie. Shut up. I like that they didn't show a lot and I hope they keep that up and save it for the movie. Also I think D9 will help this movie. Smart sci-fi doing well will actually help Avatar when it comes out. Oh btw this looks great you fan-boys need to get laid and wake up. This is a movie for us! Not like TF2 which was for racist pre-frat boys, this movie will rock for us.
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I think most of them don't think it's a bad film, but they are out there to counter balance the freaks that think it's perfect (which there are a lot of those people out there) with facts: Such as the last act of the film is a mess that drags on forever, Maggie Gylenhal was even worse than Katie Holmes, Heath Ledger gave a good performance playing Johnny Depp, and the bat voice is beyond goofy.
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Question: What do you get when you cross a STARGATE whore and a Talkback Twittering bore?
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Bale's shit performance (can't help that now he's stuck with the Bat voice) and Nolan's shit quick editing. His editing is really awful, his one big flaw. I don't think TDK is perfect, but it's certainly the highest a comic book movie has gotten. And Heath Ledger was a bit like Depp, but also he had some McDowell in him too.
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do i need the latest quicktime version or what? I keep getting questionmarked.
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I doubt there will be any lame scenes where the 10 foot avatar ice skates with his true love. You know, because 3 ton gorillas would never break the ice on a frozen lake while ice skating. Ice skating monkeys? Really, Peter Jackson?
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"Mr. Joe Sixpack is gonna laugh like a hyena when he sees this trailer." I agree... you think us talkbackers are being mean to this movie? Joe Sixpack dumbass is going to have a gut-busting shitfit laughing at the man-cats in ths movie. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see this making back the fuckton of money it cost to make. Even if they shout-out Titanic in the trailers...
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I'm not there.
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The military supposedly has a top secret computer that can render realistic looking organic images, including CGI, that can make something human, or humanoid, appear real to the eye and human brain. James Cameron should have asked the military if WETA could use that computer for rendering the images of the aliens--not that the military would say yes, but, who knows, it wouldn't be as if they were asking them to render photo-realistic images of humans, thus, it would not break above top secret protocols in respect to guarding closely held military secrets--regarding the full capabilities of that computer system!
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This looks as "game changing" as Beowulf did. I liked Beowulf but I don't see anything revolutionary about this maybe Mr. Cameron should do more then 1 movie every 10 years.
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Give him a mod title, Harry.
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Aug 20, 2009 2:55:13 PM CDT
GeneralJackCosmo, I READ THAT AND THE DEMOLISHED MAN IS BETTER..
by carlthormark1978
Also, I never thought much of The Stars My Destination for the reason that it was obviously a variation on Monte Cristo. I prefer a little more originality in my Sci-fi then taking the same basic and tired narrative devices and slapping some Sci-fi wallpaper on them. I’ve also read everything about Phillip K. Dick and although there were many influences, in regards to his work, he never slavishly structured any of his novels or short stories based on well known novels although he was really heavy into philosophy.
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OMFG wow!!! what could be said about this Film wow again.
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Stop defending a mess of a movie.
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None of us know if this movie will suck, obviously. No one (including the fanboiz dripping baby butter all over every second of this trailer) has a fuck-all clue whether this will be good/bad or even commercially successful given the significant cost of the film. But, people look at Cameron's quotes about 'seamless integration of CGI and actors' and they see a few rough patches in the CURRENT iteration (understanding that the movie is still in post-production). And others are picking on inconsistencies - some of which are nitpickey...others flat out correct (everything in the future can fly but his wheelchair requires manual rolling of the wheels...as if it were made in 1962). Even now, manual wheelchairs are becoming obsolete. So this seems a tad sloppy and forced. But again...this may or may not be successful....I have no idea. But I do know that the hype will likely be toned down a bit now that this trailer is out.
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now that was "game changing!" I still wonder if I really saw Dennis Hopper in that as Bowser, if I was having a waking dream.
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Yeah at least then I don't have to go to a theater and watch someone else do it, after I've paid $12 to see it. And I can do it in the nude.
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I thought it's last act was brilliant. The ferry scene was very intense (first time I saw it, I was sure those people were going to blow themselves up), the fight in the skyscraper was cool, the final conversation between the Joker and Batman was great, and the whole scene with Harvey and Gordon was suspenseful. And Batman taking on the role of the villain... unexpected and poignant. I'm not saying it's a perfect movie (BALE'S VOICE), but it's pretty damn close.
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For those complaining about photoreality: Lighten up people. No CGI characters have EVER looked totally photoreal and they never will. Gollum works for no other reason than Serkis' performance . Yes there are immensely talented animators behind him too, but I dare anyone to tell me (seriously) that Gollum looks photoreal. He doesn't, plain and simple. I've seen a lot of CGI humanoid aliens in movies over the years and these avatars certainly look more photorealistic than anything else I've ever seen (the District 9 aliens are not humanoids and thus much much easier to pull off). Besides weren't people saying the same kinds of things about Aliens and the Terminator films before they came out? Then BAM they blew all our minds and people just conveniently forgot about what assholes they were being beforehand. So shut up and stop regurgitating the same "Oh I'm so disappointed, James Cameron has let all of us down" bullshit and development your own opinions. That shit looks great and you all know it.
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I mean, yeah, looks fun. but its not all the impressive. it looks like star wars or something that Dreamworks could cook up. A bit let down from all the talk of people weeping in their seats about how amazing the pre-sneak pre-preview thing was a couple months back. This looks like a cartoon. I guess this trailer is holding some things back, but so far its nothing special... yet. maybe in 3D is great? the only thing that impressed me was the robot suit stuff. is that real or CGI? the guy in the cockpit looked pretty real. i liked that. all the blue people things was a bit... underwhelming. I'll still see it. looks fun. but i've officially downgraded this from "HOLLYWOOD CHANING AND WORLD ALTERING" to "MUST SEE".
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so your opinion means dick.
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Cameo been confirmed?
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To the people who are saying Stargate Universe has better CGI: Really? Seriously? For real? I didn't think the world was that full of morons.
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Is a great film. One of my fav. Hell I still think The Abyss is one of the most ambitious films ever made. More ambitious then this.
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Actually, I recall most people around here thrashing both Star Trek and Transformers.
In my mind thoughtful criticism is more valid that "blahblahSUCKSblahblahSHIT", so I understand your frustration. However, lets not forget that this is a discussion board and not an ass-patting board.
So what, there are people that like to gripe about movies? What else is new? I guarantee that probably 99% of the people complaining (including me) will still see it. If you don't ask for better, you'll never get it. -
He's so...easy.
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hmmm, ill wait to see the flick in 3D but does look like a cool video game intro and the navi look a bit pants tbh
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Fuck him.
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Or Bill Paxton from Aliens?
I maybe a mix of the 2?
"maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, buttwad !!!" :-)
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It looks underwhelming
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Avatar teaser youtube video that cuts to the meow mix commercial music as soon as the Navi show up.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:02:28 PM CDT
I'll say this, the CG effects are way better than Delgo!
by orionsangels
While it still looks CG. It has this impressive quality to it, like it's above normal CG graphics. This movie looks expensive! I wanna see this!
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absolutely fucking incredible -- this is light years ahead of STAR WARS -- the best CGI i have ever seen in my life -- very impressive -- now, the story -- if it's ALIENS, we're in for something really special -- if it's TITANIC, then we're fucked, still this will be the 3D movie event of our lifetimes -- until, BATTLE ANGLE and THE HOBBIT...
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The movie is coming out on DVD before it hits theaters? http://tinyurl.com/njnj7o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zLPM8FLMtk
It's the trailer for "The New World" which came out a couple of years ago. Similar subject matter and visuals. It will show you how far CG has yet to go before looking real. -
I spit out my soda at the Delgo reference. Bravo.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:04:22 PM CDT
It maybe CG, but it's the most ambitious CG i've seen yet!
by orionsangels
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The only line I heard was "this is great"
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Well, I love Demolished Man, too, but we'll have to agree to disagree on it being better than Stars. And you're really kind of missing my point: everything draws inspiration from something as nothing is created in a vacuum. The degree to which it draws on its sources is of course up to the creator, and whether or not he/she wants to set his/her story firmly within the confines of a genre or push the boundaries of said genre in a new direction. Planetary romance is every bit as viable a sub-genre of sci-fi as the mind-bending, psychedelic, psychological sub-genre in which you could classify Dick or some of Bester's stuff among many others. The Man in the High Castle is sci-fi, just like A Princess of Mars is sci-fi, just like Fahrenheit 451 is sci-fi, just like The Road is sci-fi. All of those might not be your cup of tea, brother, but they are all sci-fi. And so is Avatar.
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_new_world/
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holy wow. she is DAMN foxy. i'd bang her 100 times in a row. she'd be blacker and bluer than ever when i'm done with her. i'd eat that blue vagina like a cotton candy competition. she'd be spittin out avatar babies on a daily basis!! OH YEAH! i love that beautiful blue bitch!! i LOVE HER!!!!
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Some people better lay off the mushrooms. Unless you haven't watched a film in the last five years this is not remotely the best CGI you have ever seen. But hell, I'll still be watching in 3D on opening weekend.
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I thought the trailer for T4 was awesome. So clearly, trailers have shit to do with how good a movie is. I'll wait until I see it to pass judgment.
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In the comic doesn't Dr. Manhattan say something like he might go somewhere and try to create life? Maybe these blue aliens are that creation! Dr. Manhattan cameo might make it in after all!
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Aug 20, 2009 3:08:26 PM CDT
STANLEY KUBRICK SAT ON HIS ASS FOR 12 YEARS BEFORE EYES WIDE SHU
by carlthormark1978
What a masterpiece that was, eh? Lucas' 22 year vacation from Directing obviously improved his skillz as a Writer and Director didn't it? I doubt that shooting underwater documentaries for over a decade has done much to fine tune Cameron's abilities as a Writer which were never all that great.
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Right on. I definately understand your point. It's not that there's any criticism at all that bothers me, its the sheer VOLUME of people with negative opinions about the movie (and yes, like Jim and Terminator Salvation; i will also reserve the right to hate this movie if it blows)that troubles me. I see more people ready to bash this then like it. I find it discouraging and sad is all.
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jim carrey in this?
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But gamechanging? Probably not. That's what overhyping a film will lead us to believe every time. Honestly though, were you people expecting the screen to literally jump out and fuck you in the eyeballs. Cut the film some slack, I'm gonna give Jim Cameron the benefit of the doubt until he actually makes a bad film.
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Holy shit you are right.
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Hahhahahaha !
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You should see it as a few real actors blending in in a fictional world, instead of the fictional world becoming as 'aesthetically' real as the real actors. Goddamnit, I've always hoped for an adult Pixar film and this looks like this could be it. It's a CGI ANIMATION PEOPLE, NOT A LIVE ACTION FILM. Jesus.
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... wasn't Avatar Day free? It looks fun and all, im just thinking what Cameron was thinking when he said it would revolutionize the industry. it looks like every other CGI fest out there, possibility less realistic looking, because its not even on earth. Those awful kids movies SHORTS and ALIENS IN THE ATTIC have more believable CGI. do you not agree? The "its meant to be in 3D" reasoning is ridiculous because MONSTERS V ALIENS was meant to be seen in 3D, and it wasnt that great. does this mean that JC put in a lot of those super-obvious and shitty scenes? "Look at the rocket coming right at you! woo! duck!" Give me a break. A film needs to stand on its own as a story first, acting second and appearance third. Only some really crazy psychedelic CGI and 3D effects would really wow me, and so far this look like a traditional action film. nothing "Meta" about it that questions your reality like "THE CELL" or "THE CUBE". so its not a small intimate story with mindblowing effects. its a big dumb movie with big dumb effects. call it what it is, we'll be okay with that. just dont say its gonna change the industry. Titanic this is not. and Titanic looked, and FELT real.
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the trailer looked great.
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Yes the CGI for the avatars is the best I've ever seen in a movie representing completely alien yet humanoid characters. Show me something better.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:13:11 PM CDT
I'm not too concerned with SFX, but I'm still underwhelmed
by knuckleface
I need to say that I don't give a damn about SFX. Effects don't make or break a film for me. It's just a tool. But this trailer is still disappointing. I just don't see where I'm going to care about any of it. The plot just seems silly, like the humans are playing an MMORPG... but it's real. Where's the threat of danger when the protagonists are hundreds of miles away from the action? Cameron has a lot to prove with this one.
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Yeah that FX is great....off to get tissues...
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But I don't think it's amazing or anything.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:15:14 PM CDT
There's about 2 seconds of CGI in that Stargate trailer
by hippie_killer
you stupid fucking child.
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You're either delusional of just fucking blind. For examples of GOOD CGI: The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Jurassic Park/The Lost World, Minority Report, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, hell even Terminator Salvation. It's been very far and few between. So STOP telling us that the CGI looks any good in this trailer when to someone with a functioning pair of eyes, no, it doesn't.
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Who's to day that if the avatar dies the "user" doesn't die too? If you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world, etc.
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.is his main choice in volunteering for the Avatar programme, so he can walk again, I think it's because he's a war vet or maybe something else but I'm sure the wheelchair will be explained.
"One of the Consortium agents leans close to him. He says that as an avatar he will have legs. Long powerful legs, and he can run again" -
It's entire purpose is to be a tech demo. Some sort of evolutionary leap forward. And it looks like a goddamned Saturday morning cartoon. Rickey doesn't give a rats ass about whatever quantum physics derived machine that Jim Cameron used to make this movie. Nothing in this trailer looks groundbreaking.
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Sorry, did I get this right? Question to you scriptment readers, do they really speak of Unobtanium in this film? And that's the stuff that makes the rocks float? If so then lol.
That's an old science fiction joke. If you need to make something work which just doesn't work, if you need a materieal with unobtainable properties, you just use unobtanium.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:18:12 PM CDT
This looks about as gay as could be
by the_floating_skull_of_robert_loggia
Like a Halo cut scene as created by a 13 year old girl with glitter and puppies and unicorns. This movie may fuck my eyeballs, but it's only because it missed me while trying to fuck my ass. Gay Gay Gay.
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If half the world has one swinging between their legs, why exactly is showing a little dick still so fucking taboo? It's not like, after Watchmen, the general public isn't used to a big ol' smurf dong. Fear of the cock, it's apparently everywhere.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:18:25 PM CDT
If you want to see the best CGI featuring blue creachers look at
by kingoflight
The blue pixes in one of the harry potter movies. Even though they look stupid they look like they are there in the world they are in.
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that is an integral plot point in this if I remember correctly
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He was developing various projects over that span, like Aryan Papers and A.I.
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The only one of those movies to feature a cgi character as close to human as one of the na'vi is LOTR with Gollum, and I think the na'vi, FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, looks every bit as good as Gollum. I stress "from what we have seen" because it was Gollum's PERFORMANCE that sold it for me, and we have not seen enough from this 90 second trailer to accurately gauge what the performance of these cgi characters will be like.
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The visuals don't blow me away, but I didn't really expect them to. CGI is CGI; some is bad, some is great... but there really isn't anything transcendent here. A concern of mine is that after only 2 minutes of trailer, I already felt that feeling you get watching the Star Wars prequels("okay, this is cool, and lush, and gorgeous... but I'm watching an expensive cartoon.") The Abyss is one of my favorite movies, Aliens is hardcore, T2 is a classic... but outside of that, Cameron has never really cracked my fav directors list, so my expectations for this movie are still tempered.
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the stupid, stupid, stupid haters.
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Was Jurassic Park. Nothing can replace that head rush of seeing the Brontosaurus move for the first time, the way I imagined when I was a kid in pre-CGI days. There have been great CGI work since (and plenty of bad ones), but that was the last one I can remember that just seemed transcendent. And, yes, I include Matrix in that, too. I was never that impressed by it, since it essentially used the same technology as the Gap commercials.
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If all the furry fuckers in this thing were ALIENS!
What if the guys in the Mech Suits were Marines and this was the Aliens' Home world they were invading?
What if Sam Worthington's Character was transported into one of those nasty bastards instead of the 7 foot Blue Lion-O?
James Cameron directing a full assault Aliens War to end all Wars! Now that my friends would've gave me my geekasm of the day!
They already have Sigourney Weaver aboard......
Instead we get a film filled with creatures that suspiciously look like stuff George Lucas did for 6 movies and a Cartoon network series.
Oh well so much for wishful thinking. But still I cant front, I'll be in line with the rest of you circus animals opening night.
Welcome Back Jim -
"Where all gonna die man." "Fucking A man." "That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over!"
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"december cannot come fast enough"
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You know whats funny, the movie I linked to is called Battle For Terra....but yeah I totally confused it with Delgo as well. The two movies had become the same movie in my mind as well.
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I think that joke was in the scriptment "Pandora is
blessed with a naturally occurring substance a million
times more precious than gold. Its joke name of
"unobtanium" has stuck, over the years. Unobtanium is a
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While I agree with you, your comparisons are unfair. Those movies used CG in real environments with miniatures. AVATAR uses CG characters in CG environments. Problem is, it's trying to sell it as real and not a cartoon. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the shortcomings with CG will be made perfectly clear by watching the trailer for Terence Malick's "The New World." ( http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_new_world/ ) Similar setting, characters, shots, etc. It proves that CG is still years away from looking real. AVATAR is ambitious as hell and I'll be there on day one to see it, but it still looks like a cartoon.
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when you butt fuckers have only seen the trailer in choppy Quicktime on your mother's Gateway 2000. Put your precious LotR in that machine and see how it looks. Tards.
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From my inside sources, there IS a musical dance number performed by the blue cat-people. I heard about it 3 years ago and was like WTF.
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To explain why the cgi looks miles better than anything that's come before is to waste words. If you don't see it, too bad for you. Like all works of art, avatar will not be appreciated until the artist is dead. I doubt JC reads talkbacks, and much less cares about the opinion of all the manchildren who come to spew their bitterness and hatred here. People, face it, you haven't enjoyed life in a long time. If you can't get exited about this, then i pity you, and most of all -rest assured that JC didn't make this movie for you people, he made it for folks who actually enjoy films.
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How is this any better looking than a Final Fantasy film or even PIXAR's stuff? The aliens look pretty cartoony, compared to the live-action material and not nearly as convincing as they would if prosthetics/animatronics were in play. CGI still isn't at a point where they can fool the human eye and brain into accepting that these humanoid characters are anything more than day-glo pixels on the big screen.The story had BETTER be great, because the effects are certainly lacking. I have a feeling that the only things AVATAR will be f***ing are people's wallets.
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Wow people on here have such strong feelings from such a short clip.
Really I think this says more about SciFi over the last 10 years than anything else. If you think about all the rubbish sci-fi we have had to deal with this decade its not suprising that we all feel so strongly. The Matrix was the last great Sci-Fi movie I remember. I mean really groundbreaking SciFi that made you WANT to believe. Since then we have had rubbish Star Wars cash-ins, poor Matrix sequals, dissapointing Hyped up monster movies (Cloverfield) and we are all too jaded now to really want a great movie. Hopefully this will be an Epic. And by that I mean an epic movie in scale, tone and story. Something that Cameron has been able to deliver time and time again. He never really had great actors or actresses in the past but he always delivered a top notch story.
Personally I thought it looked OK. The action looks interesting, the HD quality made some areas of the aliens look real (in the medical booth) and some of it look crappy. But not as crappy as PM with the Windows XP Wallpaper style battlefields and Jar Jar Binks.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:28:10 PM CDT
FlashGordon like ... DarkCrystal, even T4 looked better
by hessianhorseman
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That was spot on.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:28:54 PM CDT
I'm not crazy about the horse like creatures galloping, looks ba
by orionsangels
It reminds me of the horses in beowulf. The galloping animation of the horse was so bad, that it distracted me from the rest of the movie. They should have used motion control, like they did in Return of the King.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:29:29 PM CDT
Just saw the trailer. Negatives and positives. Mostly negative.
by hint_of_smegma
Well, judging by that it's certainly not 'photorealistic' for the most part, although the shots of Worthington's avatar waking up on the ship were pretty realistic looking. Everything on the planet though looked on a par with the Kashykk scenes in the SW prequel abominations. The mechs looked like typical CGI - unrealistic, no 'weight' to them, cartoony. The aliens in the rest of the trailer were underwhelming, but the space shots looked good. Hoping the story makes up for the visual shortfalls. The biggest thing though is that while I thought before seeing this that due to the marketing so far this film would fail to succeed at the box office, now I KNOW it. It's going to have a good opening weekend, maybe a good first two weeks, but it will have a massive drop-off after that. The average cinema goer is not going to take to blue-skinned cartoony sci-fi....and if this movie cost over 300 million, there's no way it'll make that back until years from now. It doesn't have mass appeal, without it a Titanic sized bloated budget is going to literally sink it. Hope it's a good movie though, but it doesn't look a patch on District 9 anyway.
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None of the CGI in Minority Report, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Jurassic Park is character based, with the exception of Lord of the Rings, and even LotR has some really terrible and lame CGI sequences. In Iron Man the CG is all metal there's no expression. In minority report, again, it's all metal and environmental. Same with TDK. The only thing that comes close is the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. And they are not characters, they are action devices with the barest minimum amount of expression. I'm talking about actual characters, biological beings that are "really there" and Avatar has it better than pretty much anything with maybe the exception of Gollum, and like I said earlier even he doesn't look completely photoreal. I repeat my challenge to you guys to show me a CGI character and not a bush or piece of metal or spaceship that looks better than what I saw in that avatar trailer.
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that trailer was hilarious!
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but wouldn't you rather ride a clunky horse than be forced to tootle around in a manual wheelchair made, seemingly, in the 1960's? Hell, we have electric ones even now...sad how bad they treat the crippies in the future. Bring out the gimp!
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Aug 20, 2009 3:32:04 PM CDT
WaspUK, the reason why people are dissing this is...
by theghostwholurks
Because it's been HYPED as the CGI version of the Second Coming. And looking at this 2-1/2 minute trailer, it clearly IS NOT. So, before even spending a dime watching the finished film, people justifiably feel conned.The makers of AVATAR had BETTER pay attention, if they want this movie to be successful.
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what, do you work for JC?
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Because that one scene with that creature and bamboo like plants? This is a science Fiction movie, not pretty models as cavemen movie.
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u should read this GN masterpiece from Jodorowsky and Moebius.It has taken a lot of inspiration from the Dune books,where the antigravity oil is like the spice,and who controls it, well,he controls the universe.The battle with the floating rocks would have been epic in a motion picture.
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Cameron has never let me down. Let's see: Terminator 1&2, Aliens, Abyss, True Lies, Titanic. That resume speaks for itself.
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Was an amazing movie, but what short memories you guys have. Do you not remember all the shit-talking that went on before it came out and people actually saw it? People said the aliens looked like shit, they said the plot was just a rehash of tired shit we had seen dozens of times before, they said it would be boring and have no action, they said the cgi looked like shit, etc., etc. Now most of those people are sucking its dick. The same will happen here.
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It sounds something like Neu might do if Neu made an album now.
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I wish people would stop listing that crappy film as a great movie.
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http://tinyurl.com/mrowuc
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When they show those floating mountains, it looks like a moving Michael Whelan painting.Welcome back, Jim!
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Davy Jones is the best digital creation so far. Gollum looked like good CGI, but Davy Jones looked REAL.
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Wasn't the whole point of this movie is that every thing we just saw in the teaser was CGI? Including all the Sam Worthington shots? isnt that supposed to be the big deal?
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It will help your brain adjust to the idea of MAN-CATS.
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http://tinyurl.com/mws7h9
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Is from 28 Days Later, a movie whos score is often used for trailers. At least it wasn't Clint Mansells stuff. I wonder when we can start seeing the score for Moon in every movie trailer?
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http://tinyurl.com/m8ondp
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Exactly what I am saying. All the movies I mentioned were totally hyped and majorly dissapointing. That should tell us all one thing. Don't believe the hype! Make up your own minds. Some of us are lucky enough to see the preview tomorrow. We will get a better idea then.
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That was OUTSTANDING CGI that did look real. Gollum looked real enough, but actually conveyed emotion through the eyes. Both are top of the line examples of the best CGI. I saw none of that in the Avatar teaser. And whoever says it looks "revolutionary" is on crack. It looks like CGI.
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Real actor with a cgi "mask", and one that looks less human than the na'vi or Gollum, which is why it looks more "real" to us. Not to mention the fact that much of Avatar had to be brightly lit for the 3D to work properly, while POTC was dark and atmospheric, which coincidentally has always helped effects to look better.
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The battles were pretty nice, but the character CGI is still in the uncanny valley. "emotion capture" indeed.
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His face was not CGI. They put make-up on him and CGI'd everything else. So why does Davy Jones work? The expression of Bill Nighy's face. Not because of any kind of computer wizardry.
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The battles were pretty nice, but the character CGI is still in the uncanny valley. "emotion capture" indeed.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:41:19 PM CDT
I forgot the aliens in District 9 were CG. I was into the story.
by orionsangels
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Aug 20, 2009 3:41:54 PM CDT
Wow... I hit most major movie pages and I can't for the life of
by jacklucas
remember ANYONE badmouthing District 9 before its release. Nice revisionism there, but... yeah, you lose. These Avatar effects look like shit and there isn't really a single thing in the trailer that screams "eyeball fucking!" and now the fanboys are out en force to defend it. Your ruler is naked. Enjoy the show.
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have to carry only one gun, and hold it with both hands? That seems kind of a waste of an arm, if you ask me.
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Wow, JC made a cartoon. Does Tom Hanks voice one of the furry's?
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If the planet where this takes place has low gravity (less than Earth's gravity) then I could see where this might be ok. That would explain the floating chunks of rock, and the unrealistic movement.
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This talkback is officially broken.
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"I want to sit on your face"
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Aug 20, 2009 3:45:00 PM CDT
It has more in common with the Star Wars prequels than a Cartoon
by orionsangels
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on CG characters. Anyone agree?
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There are probably people on this very site in other talkbacks shit-talking District 9 right now. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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this talkback again in six months.
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...Looked as close to photo-real as you can get years ago and looked way better than this shit. While watching it I was genuinely confused as to whether or not it was CG or prosthetics. These thundercat knock-offs look like any lame cut scene as soon as you lay your eyes on them.
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Yeah the star of the Hottie and The Nottie, no wonder this cost so much money!
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Polyphemis (the massive planet around
which Pandora revolves) has a magnetosphere... a
naturally occurring magnetic field a million times more
powerful than Earth's. As Pandora rotates and revolves
through this field, its molten iron core generates its own
field, with "cells" or vortices which are small regions of
intensely powerful magnetic force at the surface." add the magnetic unobtanium and "These floating islands circulate
slowly in the magnetic currents, like icebergs at sea,
scraping against each other and the towering mesa-like
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... actually looks on the same level as this. You can spot a mile away where the live action and cgi starts and stops. In fact, Jar Jar Binks seems more realistic than some of these Fern Gully aliens. Ans again check out the realism of the Kaminoans in Attack of the Clones next to these guys - I dont spot any difference. And that was 2002.
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...is astounding. Moriarty was right.
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He will be missed. http://tinyurl.com/lue3ye
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Yet, when the movie comes out, I know you guys will slobber all over it. Especially if you get a free screening.
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there was not much make up dude. the one thing they did do was keep his eyes.
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All of you haters who don't like this... What the fuck have you ever done in your life that's even moderately creative? You simply have no business trashing something that is put out for your entertainment. If you don't want to see it, fine. Fuck off and go watch something else. Or read a book. Or talk to a girl. Jesus, you are all a bunch of whiny-ass bitches!
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All of you haters who don't like this... What the fuck have you ever done in your life that's even moderately creative? You simply have no business trashing something that is put out for your entertainment. If you don't want to see it, fine. Fuck off and go watch something else. Or read a book. Or talk to a girl. Jesus, you are all a bunch of whiny-ass bitches!
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Yeah after this movie, maybe he'll be able to buy metal legs.
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The CGI shots in the first minute were seamless and then the Pandora stuff kicked in and everything looked rendered, including the humans. Is that intentional?
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isn't real??????????
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I can understand that movie not being your thing... but saying it "SUCKED" makes you very hard to take seriously.
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It looks fucking awesome. Plenty of time to re-render the Na'vi.
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Apart from a very small minority on tb's, District 9 had overwhelming positive word and support before it's release - and since we've seen the thing, we've had our socks rocked off. I really did forget I was seeing CGI in that movie, and it was truly one of the best movie experiences I've had since seeing Empire as a kid. So good try at the revisionism in an attempt to defend Avatar. I'll judge it when I see it, but even after this trailer has finally been released, I'm not hopeful at the moment. Cameron is a great director so hopefully......but who knows. It's not looking good.
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That would have been amazing for the mid60s. But the other Monkees were real, right?
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Pompous and overdone, just like Titanic.
CG is lousy
Way over the top
Every idiotic canned hollywood cliche all in one trailer (Cameron has become the master of this)
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Looks too cartoony, but only Cameron gets thwe benefit of the doubt. He earns that. Was expecting a more up to date Aliens live action realistic metal grinding feel; but hey we'll see.
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what are you 15 get a grip kid its a opinion were all entitled to one.
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The make-up is around his eyes and mouth, which are the parts of a human face that convey emotion and expression. He's still not completely CG.
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hilarious
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Doing nothing with your life is the new doing something with your life. And how am I soppose to talk to girls when my mom won't let me leave the house by myself?
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I don't feel like arguing about it anymore, so you can disagree with me, but the dialogue was (to me) cringe-worthy.
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Aug 20, 2009 3:54:53 PM CDT
hater haters who hate haters who hate Next time on Oprah
by lockesbrokenleg
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Aug 20, 2009 3:55:05 PM CDT
Atomica and others like him.....................................
by crackerfarmboy
Will this film be great? Very possibly but it's been overhyped, mostly by Cameron himself, into oblivion. I see nothing special about the CGI in this film that I haven't seen in other good CGI films. There's nothing particularly groundbreaking or revolutionary, based upon what I have seen. You say that you want to know a movie that only gets positive feedback: Iron Man 2. It looks fucking fantastic on every level and I've yet to hear anyone really bitch about it. So there you go. Until then my eyeballs remain virgins.
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NICE!!!
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We have not seen these CGI blue things acting yet. There is more to making something real then just good cgi. Movement is a big thing. if they move like a real thing then they will look real, if they act with emotions then they will be real.
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I never thought our eyeballs were going to be fucked. I also didn't expect a 4th Star Wars prequel, either? Or another King Kong, for that matter. Actually some of the stuff in King Kong looked cooler than this. Personally I think the art direction is a little lacking, the Na'vis just look a little goofy. The other stuff is o.k. but not as visually interesting as some of the production stills that were released. I certainly hope that this isn't another non-stop CGI action ride with a bunch of Star Wars battles that were kind of boring the first time. Why is there no dialogue in this trailer?
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But then, anyone publicly displaying that they're a cunt usually does. He jumps on a board set up to discuss a trailer than criticizes folks who disagree with him (even though that's the purpose of an AICN board). Poor dumb cunt,
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On this talkback: "The Navi look a little stupid at first, but so did the aliens in District 9."
If I cared enough to search through all the other talkbacks relating to D9 on this site alone, I am sure I could find a whole lot more. -
Hey man...It's called punctuation. Look it up (it's been in all the papers). And yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but all this virulent hatred over a trailer and trashing it 4 months before it comes out? It's a MOVIE for Christ's sake! There are more important things in life (like pretty much everything).
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do they think we are that stupid?
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I was floored when I learned that none of him was real. I assumed that at least part of the effect was a mask but the whole damn thing is CG, and damn good CG at that.
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This is totally off the topic of Avatar, but I just nerded out a bit at your name. After roughly 8 years of my good friend threatening my life if I didn't read DT, I finally started the series last month and I'm currently about 350 pages into Calla. Loving it. Just not picturing a JJ Abrams-helmed film version of it(or any film version of it at all, really). But there is one director I keep envisioning when reading the series... Alfonso Cuaron. God that would kick ass. Anyway, back to the Avatar stuff
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To the person who said Jar-Jar looks better than this....for shame
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I don't even have a problem with what I saw, but my question is did they think the FX work was actually that seamless?
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Cameron's resume speaks for itself. Will it tug at the strings in true Cameron fashion? that perfect blend of sci-fi/CGI/storytelling and real human emotions... my vote is yes.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:02:10 PM CDT
GeneralJack...one comment...? That's the best you've got?
by hint_of_smegma
Well, ton's of proof there. Of course there were a few, but the overwhelming feel for District 9 was positive before it was released - much more so since. Most of the comments for Avatar have been completely the opposite however, and it's a Jim Cameron film for crying out loud. District 9 has made it's own budget back within a week, it's had huge critical acclaim, huge public support and it's effects were - to me at least - among the best I've seen, because most of the time I didn't think I was looking at an effect. If Avatar pulls of the same - which it hasn't in this trailer - I'll eat those socks District 9 rocked off.
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all the time and money spent and THIS is what we get..FUCKING LAME!
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I wonder if AsimovLives will hate this trailer.
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The Mjolnir suit was nowhere to be found. Garbage. This movie sucks!
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JackLucas said he doesn't remember anybody talking shit on any of the "major" forums, and you remember a small minority on here specifically. I remember a solid amount all over the place. Maybe I just encountered it and you didn't? Clearly you encounterd more than JackLucas...does that make him a revisionist or does it make you one? The point of my statement was not to defend this movie, it was to make fun of all the fucking trolls all over the place.
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AsimovLives go check out Pedelback TB, we had a 10,000th post miricle. AsimovLives recanted on his Star Trek hate.
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your the biggest ass bub. Regard of how much hate is spread Deal with it instead of sounding like a whiny bitch yourself. I think most of here are fans of Cameron but any one with two eyes can there was absolutely nothing that was "groundbreaking" in that trailer unless Polar Express was the last movie you ever saw.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:06:23 PM CDT
Redmond, DIRECTING IS DOING, DEVELOPING IS SITTING ON YOUR ASS..
by carlthormark1978
What exactly was Kubrick "doing" during those 12 years? I'll tell you what. He was using development money from Warner Brothers to indulge his interests and pamper he and his family before wasting 2 fucking years shooting that piece of shit while doing 80 to 100 takes for every fucking shot like the fucking cunt that he was.
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One comment on a thread today talking about another movie, and you seriously don't think there are more out there all over the internet if there was one on this talkback today about another movie altogether? There are probably more on this talkback alone...
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can't wait to see the footage friday.
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Go squeeze the pus out of your head and try to use what's left for a minute. There is a real point to speaking out about crap. Good movies either don't get made any more, or get hidden so well the only place you can find them is the back pages of Netflix. Meanwhile, complete garbage like Transformers, etc, gets made either because it has the right collection of morons making it, or some idiotic studio exec/ad agent without enough brains to understand good dialog or story gets a hard on thinking about all the shit blowing up. Good story is a disadvantage in the minds of these people. Unfortunately, advertising equals attendance in the theaters, so they think they are being vindicated. People screaming enough is the only thing that might provide a hope for seeing this trend reversed. This trailer was garbage, and the people who say so are goddam heroes, ya moron.
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..I guess for the amount of money spent, it looks good. But it looks and feels like a video game. Since I'm not a video game player (unlike 97.9% of you guys), this won't thrill me at all.
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..I guess for the amount of money spent, it looks good. But it looks and feels like a video game. Since I'm not a video game player (unlike 97.9% of you guys), this won't thrill me at all.
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It did suffer from the aforementioned bad dialogue, a very maudlin story (I mean it plays like a Lifetime Movie of the week in a lot of parts), and some really paper-thin characters. But for what it is (a chick-flick) it's boss. It's GONE WITH THE WIND for the next generation, but with an amazingly less-complex story. One thing that always aggravated me, and it's a minor gripe, was Jack's Italian friend, Fabrizio is basically a character out of a pasta sauce commercial. Shit like that symbolizes Cameron's more dickish side. And also, who screams "I'm the king of the world!" anyways?
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When the hype dies down for the viciously overrated District 9; and he makes a Big Boy movie, then we'll compare. Until then, turn down the hype and hate.
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No point to making that movie now whatsoever. It's going to look redundant after this. Plus, the story is probably on par with this one. Keep it a videogame, that's what I say.
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Amazing, isn't it? Best epic I'd read since Otherland by Tad Williams, (which would make an amazing few movies I think) Yea I don't think JJ is the best choice, but King did pick him I believe, I suspect King has a different/specific visions for a movie version of the book, I don't know.I still havent seen Children of Men yet, keep meaning to, but for Roland I think Daniel Day Lewis could pull him off.
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Bartleby T. Scrivener is talking shit about District 9 right now...
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I'm sorry, that's what it looks like to me.
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"Fuckin' A"
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D-9 was a much more intimate and modestly budgeted sci-fi flick where everything takes place on earth. What Cameron is doing with Avatar is much more ambitious in terms of scale as he is imagining an entire alien world and its inhabitants. That said, the CGI in the trailer for Avatar does look incredibly artificial and certainly doesn’t bury contemporary CG by any stretch of the imagination. I love Cameron though and of course we still have several months before this is released, so I’ll reserve judgment.
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were on Yes album covers in the 70's, and somewhere else before then most likely
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First time poster - long time film buff. Remember when Yoda was 'replaced and enhanced' in the prequel trilogy? Hated it then and still hate it now.
CG has been both a blessing and a curse. When used sparingly and properly, amazing things happen. When used with the 'better, faster, cheaper' mentality, it all falls apart.
Never thought James Cameron would sell out like this.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:14:35 PM CDT
Series7 LOl. I think everyone should mail AsimovLives
by lockesbrokenleg
a Star Trek DVD when it comes out.
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ready? go.
first of all i was in the same position like u.i always thought that those holywood movies with their 3rd country budgets,overproductions as we call them here,were just following a promotional strategy: the more expensive a movie sounds,the more spectacular will sound to people ears.but at some point i spent 1 years in seminars about cinema,and what i really discover was the making a movie is a very expensive procedure which involves a large amount of people,machinery,work hours and organization in a level u cant imagine.
now we both agree that Avatar is a very ambitious project,with the aim to revolutionize the cinema and bring it closer to the 3d cinema which is the next step.
the production has started from the lates of 2006.wikipedia says that at least 1000 people work on the project.lets say that the number is fake,lets cut it to 500 people.now the film doesnt have superstars but it does have a cast of living actor,apart from the cgi ones.then there are the artist and the technician who will create the cgi.and the demanding cgi will need state of the art hardware and in large quantities.do u remember TF1,when ILM said that the rendering of the transformer scenes had a speed of 2 framers per day,if i remember correctly.and that was for metal scarps fighting each other,not humanlike reallife aliens talking and kissing.
u dont have to be einstein to figure out that the rendering of the Avatar movie,is an achievement by itself.but rendering is only one part of the whole procedure.what about the motion-capture? motion-capture stuntmen have worked in this film too.and what about the digitization of real building and sceneries and the photorealistic cgi depiction of them? wiki say that the designers went to a drilling ring in the gold of mexicto,to photography,film it,measure it etc in order to bring it photographically in the movie.that procedure doesnt sound cheap to me.
lets not drag on this very much.creation of cgi is a very procedure,more than hiring real actor.and its pretty obvious by comparing the modern cgi movies.TF2 costed 200m.100 less than Avatar and it took them 2 years for,EVEN if the rendered robots were already created in the first movie.not from the start.Which means that the new battle scenes in TF2 were still very expensive,compared to battle scenes in the first movie which were made from scatch.You see,nothing is cheap.
Now i cant give hard evidences for what was used in Avatar,how much it costed,what was the salaries of the whole cast and crew,from all the parts of the production from promoters,designers,executive managers,even the catering costs.i dont have access to the movies logistic books.But i do know this: if the movie was made after the Jurassic Park movie,its cost would have been ten times the cost that is today,regardless flat rates and all this shit.personally i think the movie is quite cheap for what it has achieved.
Thats for now my dear chap.I know u ll think of something to throw me back BUT at least have this in consideration:Dont confuse your personal taste about a movies look with what has transpired during its production.I agree that GIJOE looks shit depsit its 150m budget,but blame the untalented director,designers,artists whatever,or even some clever exec did his trick and put them on his pocket.such movies are a fact.BUT we are talking about James Cameron,about WETA which brought you your beloved Gollum and the 'superior cgi wise' D9,we are talking about fucking professionals with credentials.they know what they are doing with the budgets money,but if what they do,doest appeal to you,well that a completely different matter.
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I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!!!!
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AsimovLives recanted his Star Trek hate? WTF?
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This film was always quoted as having a $200 million dollar budget. Where does this claim of an extra $100 million come from?
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Fair enough, but Jack has a valid point and was closer to the truth than I feel you were...I don't intend that as an insult, but I genuinely don't remember much in the way of negative comments. There are always some, we all know that, but the objective truth if you go back and look at it is that D9 had enormous positive buzz. Since release it's had massive critical acclaim, it's hit No.1 in the box office and has already made it's own money back. Maybe you did encounter more negative buzz than I did, but if so maybe you've just been looking at more sites than I have which means it would be inevitable. Who knows. All I remember is a minority - a small minority - of bitching beforehand, whereas with Avatar we have an awful lot of nervous Cameron fans, a lot of negative for the sake of it douchebags, and more people who don't have an agenda who've seen the marketing, the trailer, and are distinctively underwhelmed to say the least. Looking at the material itself, I really do fear it's cost too much and appeals to too few people to make it a success. Count me as a very nervous Cameron fan at the moment, with hints of the distinctly underwhelmed.
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I also am about to start the DT series (I'm finishing THE DEAD ZONE now, probably get GUNSLINGER opened this weekend). If I see you bastages around the site, I'll likely chat you both up about it.
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"silly bitch, your weapons cannot harm me. Don't you know who the fuck i AM?"
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Aug 20, 2009 4:16:58 PM CDT
Gollum and Yoda looked more convincing than those blue things
by chuck_chuckwalla
It's good CGI but not the best I've ever seen (the best would have to be the CGI in Superman Returns — even though I despise the fucking movie). I wish those idiots that started the whole 'Avatar will fuck your eyeballs out' campaign would have not built up my expectations because this movie looks like a trailer for a fucking video game.
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the trailer is good, I did have thoughts of the film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, but that wasn't a bad thing, I dug that movie. And I just felt there were some visual similarities. Now, I'm really looking forward to Avatar, give it a chance just like any other movie. I enjoyed the visuals I saw and I'm expecting a good story and characters.
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THAT IS WHAT WE WAITED FOR! F U Lame James. The helicopters were cool reminded me to turn on my Halo game.
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in all honesty, the Navi look like cartoons. I don't just mean the CGI looks *kind of* cartoonish, I mean if I didn't know what this was supposed to be going in, and just saw the Navi parts without humans, I would have thought this was a Pixar cartoon, because it looks like it was animated with the intention of not appearing realistic.
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I don't know.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:20:19 PM CDT
Leo should have yelled "I fart in your general direction!"
by yackbacker
That would have gotten me back into the theater a few more times.
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the 3d. if it wasn't 3d, it would still be an awesome memorable blockbuster that a lot of people would see. the fact that a lot of them will see it in 3d, probably for the first time, will really excite people about movies in a new way i think. wait and see...i mean, this summer i had this guy tell me how awesome up was in 3d. hes not a nerd or into kids movies, he just happened to see it and was blown away by the 3d. imagine people seeing avatar as their first 3d movie. i for one cant wait. i think the story will have broad appeal which is why a lot of people here are bashing it. they want something brand new, but this is more like a new classic. the story seems obvious, outsider falls in with new crew, joins them and turns on old crew and they fight. and a pocahontas style love story. with aliens. but the 3d and special effects will make a lot of people happy.
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Just watched the 720p version. OMFG!!!!! Visuals I have never ever seen before.
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good luck dude, give it to the second book at least if you can't get into it, two of my friends abandoned half way through the first. I think they just couldn't get into it, luckily it's only short.
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Why do people keep saying $300 million dollars?!
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CGI is absolutely beautiful and top notch!
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YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:23:35 PM CDT
Cameron to Worthington "I'll make you famous, playing a cg chara
by millajovovichsarmpitsmell
Worthington "Really? I earned my creds with all those little aussie movies and now the biggest names want to make me a star, and this is the best i can get? playing a fucking cartoon?!?! Godammit, fuck the fucking future..."
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Aug 20, 2009 4:23:49 PM CDT
Avatar reminds me of when my parents learned to use the internet
by interneti
10 years later.
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Perhaps I'm a little confused on the negativity toward the effects. I hear the phrase "it looks too CGI". Exactly how can CGI look too CGI? Example, while watching a movie like Clash of the Titans, at any point in the film are thinking to yourself, "Man, that looks too stop-motion". Or when watching the original trilogy, are you thinking "those models look like toys". Sure Gollum was a great CGI character, but at no point did I believe he was real. Seriously, name a movie Cameron hasn't delivered the goods on.
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I was very curious about this film and had my £5 ready to go. This trailer has turned my curiosity to 'couldn't care less'. I weep.
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Cartoony cg fx, vehicles and equipment designs out of Aliens, a pretty dull teaser at best... Why is everyone so sure their eyes are about to pop cherries for this?
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starting with "The Abyss"—that goes back to 1989, before your time I'm afraid…
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Stopped after Wizard and Glass (4th book) came out. Haven't revisited since high school! Need to scoop up the last 3 books and finish it off.
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Well, I am willing to concede that maybe on "movie" sites, I think fewer people were hating on D9 before it came out than are hating on this. But I also hang out on other forums that are not movie-specific, and I can tell you that on some of those, based on my own personal experience, the complete opposite is true. For example, I hang out on mma.tv, which is a forum for MMA fans, and they have general discussion threads where people talk about all kinds of stuff, including movies, of course. Literally hundreds of people on there were shitting all over D9 before it came out, in multiple threads about the movie, the trailers, etc., and I was one of the few who was hyping it. Now there are dozens of threads on there about how fucking awesome it is. However, today there are some threads about Avatar, and most of the posters are saying they think it looks badass, Cameron is back!, etc. I also tend to think that is a better way to gauge what the "average moviegoer" thinks of something, as opposed to us nerds on here.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:27:38 PM CDT
the district 9 talkbacks have me really excited for
by martinlutherkrangjr
the huge backlash that this movie will receive when it doesn't live up the "eyeball fucking game changer" that everyone is hoping for. don't get me wrong, im hoping this movie rules but the tb's will be retarded as hell.
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... THEN commence with hate-fest '09... stupid motherfuckers.
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can i play it?
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It looks like The Island of Dr. Moreau meets Dune.
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Geezus, that's cheap.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:29:25 PM CDT
It's shit, and a blatant ripoff of Geonosis and Kasshyk (sp??)
by alfie boy
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Aug 20, 2009 4:29:36 PM CDT
It's shit, and a blatant ripoff of Geonosis and Kasshyk (sp??)
by alfie boy
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I agree exactly with what Charyou said... just demand yourself to get through Gunslinger, and everything else is cake. I think King was like 17 when he wrote Gunslinger, and he wrote it in 4 installments for a magazine if I'm not wrong. So its kind of dry, disjointed, and slow. My dad is one of the biggest King fans out there, owns the first edition press of the Gunslinger, and still hasn't finished it. But I emplore you to, because the rest is awesome(so far)
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There is simply way too much to comb through to see what's been said. Clearly there is a large contingent that claims the CG is lame. I challenge them to watch the trailer, the 1080P HD trailer on a half decent montior, pause any frame and tell me it's "lame". Your opinion may be that Kong or LOTR did it "better", but you can't call those effects shoddy, or even cartoony. What do you want it to look like, the big blue cat person whose on your rec league volleyball team? The effects look fantastic in HD. And as elitist as it may sound, I think that's how Cameron wants it to be seen, in HD. Now the 3D could fuck everything up, but I can't wait to see this projected digitally on the big screen (3D or not). Don't even get me started Not to on what this wil look like on Blu-ray (oh the Cameronian irony).
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There is simply way too much to comb through to see what's been said. Clearly there is a large contingent that claims the CG is lame. I challenge them to watch the trailer, the 1080P HD trailer on a half decent montior, pause any frame and tell me it's "lame". Your opinion may be that Kong or LOTR did it "better", but you can't call those effects shoddy, or even cartoony. What do you want it to look like, the big blue cat person whose on your rec league volleyball team? The effects look fantastic in HD. And as elitist as it may sound, I think that's how Cameron wants it to be seen, in HD. Now the 3D could fuck everything up, but I can't wait to see this projected digitally on the big screen (3D or not). Don't even get me started Not to on what this wil look like on Blu-ray (oh the Cameronian irony).
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I'm a pretty patient reader, although I have had trouble with Martin's Fire and Ice series, but I will get back to that post-DT. Fantasy is sometimes a little more difficult to get through but I jsut finished The Stand the other day and I figured DT would be a natural progression from there.
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compare motherfuckers
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if the 3d is anything like theyve said it would be than this should be pretty cool.
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Someone is showing their age...Cameron was a cgi character pioneer buddy...how old were you in 1989? I am guessing you weren't even born?
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Kingdom of Zeal. Lavos emerged from deep within the earth and fucked everything up though.
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Can't believe the depth of outright hate in here. James Cameron is delivering a sci-fi war epic and you're STILL NOT FUCKING HAPPY??
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I have the "revised" edition of Gunslinger so hopefully it's less disjointed than that first edition. I look forward to talking it over when I'm into the series some.
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"Work" is almost over. I'll shoot the shit with you fuckers tomorrow!
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what a waste mr. Cameron
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Aug 20, 2009 4:35:28 PM CDT
I think the avatar looks shockingly realistic in one short shot
by magic rat
that's when he's on the table, the first time you really see him. He looks like an NBA player who is getting is ankles taped. Like a blue Yao Ming or something.
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Every shot I've seen of production showed Nighy in simplified mo-cap costumes. I think the only think left of actual actor was his eyes. That degree of realism has yet to be matched, the lighting, the movement, the expressive emotion...nope, nothing has topped it yet.
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Wake up and smell the chia latte.
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The man has directed some of the best sci-fi EVER. Terminator, Aliens, Abyss - yet all I hear is CGI this/that. Unreal.
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By hyping the movie's CGI so much. It's fine to hype the CG, but that's ALL that was hyped. Scratch that, that's all that was talked about AT ALL. It had gotten to the point where the only thing that distinguished the film was its CGI. Where the only thing that DEFINED the film was its CGI. Avatar=kickass computer-generated images as far as anyone who's heard about the movie is concerned. Note the lack of any consideration for story, script, or character in that description; Cameron and co. hyped this movie's special effects to the exclusion of all other considerations. Unfortunately, this means that the CGI has to be RIDICULOUS in order to live up. And it's just … not. The effects are fine, great, even. But they aren't world-shatteringly, eyeball-fuckingly, photorealistically PERFECT, which means that people will be disappointed. Because the ONE THING that defines the movie isn't the greatest thing created since the wheel, this movie is going to get a lot of unnecessary hate. And the worst part is, it's entirely Cameron's fault. He's the one who's been hyping the movie. We have no one to blame for the inevitable disappointment than him (and, to a lesser extent, the studio). The “hype machine” has helped movies in the past, but here it seems to be doing far more harm than good. I think Cameron should have focused on other aspects of the film, too – like the aforementioned character, story, and script. Unfortunately, the fact that he didn't might indicate the lackluster quality of these aspects as well – and if your movie not only can't live up to the ridiculous expectations of its prime asset, and also lacks in every other department that creates a great film, you're in deep water. I personally think it'll be better on the big screen; but I've read the opinions of a lot of dissappointed fans. This does not bode well.
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—but, I think "King Kong" was just as strong VFX wise.
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i'll throw this out there. when i saw district 9 i saw the shutter island trailer. i was so stoned. anyways master shake is like my hero. i was thinking how he always wants to be a movie star. and as the shutter island trailer played, i was imagining master shake doing all leo's lines, and being there. it was hillarious. i started laughing out loud at parts which was probably weird considering the tone of the trailer. idk y, but it seemed to fit, it was so funny. watch the shutter island trailer and imagine master shake as leo.
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That was a long time ago grandpa.
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at least with that it appears solid and whose to know if real aliens look rubbery and all. THIS stuff looks like a ps3 game though.
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I think that is going to be the emotional center of the movie right there. On top of the whole anti-Imperialist message.
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Here's his Twitter post: "headgeek666: Reading the talkback on AVATAR teaser makes me want to quit AICN. Such wanton negativity. So distasteful to my love of film."
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Snarf.
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Yeah,I read that.
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Yeah,I read that.
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I just blitzed through the books again after i stopped reading the start of the dark tower. I had stopped for about a year i think so i thought i'd revist everything before i read the last one from start to finish.
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The emotions in the teaser got me. Some scenes sure look like CGI but WTF? Every movie from my favorite movie list don't look photorealistic... why should AVATAR be the first? I bet this movie will kick ass in december because every scene in the teaser already outgunned stupid movies like District 9, Transformers 2 or Terminator 4 already. Photorealism isn't everything. This movie has a heart and you already can feel it in the teaser which is awesome! And btw: T2 is an awesome movie... even when you can see the whole camera team in every second shot... in mirrors, car doors, car windows, shadow on the ground and so on.
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Well said.
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There is a lot of negative reaction about the trailer,well at least from the io9,imdb and aicn forums i have checked.i dont know whats the general reaction on the web,but if its most negative,then i am sure Cameron will react to this,maybe with an official statement,or a new online footage something.ofc there is the screen preview today,which i believe will change all this negative,but then again u never know.we shall see.
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There is a little problem with your analogies. That being, the point of practical effects is simply to look like what they're trying to look like. They already look *real*, so the only question is 'does this look like a spaceship, does this look like entrails', etc. Whereas the point of CGI is to have a computer generated image that looks as close as possible to being a real live, existing thing, *and* look like what it was supposed to look like. And when the first part is not achieved, the CGI has failed and is 'too CGI'. I think a good example of good CGI would be Jurassic Park. Those dinosaurs look pretty freaking real, and blend in with the scenes so well that I literally cannot tell when I'm looking at practical effect dinosaurs vs CGI dinosaurs. There are plenty of Sci-Fi/Fantasy films out there where the CGI is so well done that you can't tell it from the practical effects, or the 2 are working in tandem seamlessly. This is not one of those films. As I said before, not only do the Navi look 'too CGI' but they look so cartoonish it looks like something that was intentionally created to be a cartoon, a Pixar film etc. When I watch that trailer, I feel like I'm watching scenes from a James Cameron film spliced with Reboot footage.
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People saying Stargate Universe is better? Strange days indeed.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:45:33 PM CDT
I Confess, I've Been Watching The Trailer Over And Over Again
by laserpants
It really looks friggin' sweet. I don't even care if its a "game changer," BUT they never should have framed it as such (whoever started that meme should be reprimanded; don't generate ludicrous hype, it always backfires), I just want a cool fuckin' movie. This definitely looks like its gonna be really fuckin' good. I'm surprised as anyone. I had no expectations, so what I see looks pretty damn awesome.
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No matter what I'll see it because it's a geek event movie, but I'm not anticitpating it.
After a year of disappointments I think I've made the transition from film fan to tv fan. Go watch some Breaking Bad, Lost, Dexter, and Mad Men you get double the entertainment for free. -
Looked like a trailer for Mass Effect 2.
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YackBacker, I've only read about 3-4 other King I think, and none of his famous ones really, I do like him but I usually read scifi/fantasy, from the likes of K Dick, Pratchett, and M Banks. A friends urged me to read the Fire and Ice series along with Tad Williams, Memory, Sorrow Thorn series is it? Will give them a try after finally finishing Homers The Odyssey, which I'm at the end off and can't believe how good it is still.
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"Can't believe the depth of outright hate in here. James Cameron is delivering a sci-fi war epic and you're STILL NOT FUCKING HAPPY??" Exactly!!!
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Cameron did not hype the CGI at all, we did, and the media did. If anything Cameron tried to downplay the CGI and warned several times in interviews that if we were expecting a revolution we were not going to find it.
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Looks good to me.
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Looks amaaaaaaazing.
Yes, the creatures look CG, but soft-skin is hard to do right. (District 9 aliens have plate skin, which is why they look so real.) What astounds me are the visuals of the planet, every frame is worthy of being a poster on my wall. *droooool* -
That wasn't Assimov in the Pedalback TB. Asimov_Lives was the "poster/poser" NOT AsimovLives.
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compared to today's typical CG movie. That's not to say it doesn't look like CG, but remember weve only seen snippets and it'll impress more on big screen, especially in 3D.
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Aug 20, 2009 4:50:50 PM CDT
People don't like AICN judging Cameron's photo-real cartoon
by trannyformers_apologist
But who the fuck cares when The Tree Of Life - Fucking your smelly stinky Butthole in 2009! A V A T A R S T I L L L O O K S L I K E S H I T
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the way it supposed to look, like if you were really there on that planet, maybe it would look CG in real life, because that's how there skin is, that's how they move. Who are we to say?
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not the people who dont like the trailer.thats understandable.But there are also some people who just want to hate the film,regardless if they like it or not.Hate is the only thing that can fill the black hole in their souls.they are not geeks,movie lovers or guys who want to get entertained.They are haters and only haters,nothing else.
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not the people who dont like the trailer.thats understandable.But there are also some people who just want to hate the film,regardless if they like it or not.Hate is the only thing that can fill the black hole in their souls.they are not geeks,movie lovers or guys who want to get entertained.They are haters and only haters,nothing else.
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Thats the scene where the female alien is crying over a falling comrade... its too short to tell but she does look and move staggeringly realistic. On the flip side and with a touch of irony i might add.. the mechs and other vehicles look shockingly bad from a realism standpoint. I'm still looking forward to it though.
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Glad you're enjoying it. And you're right, the music fits perfectly.
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I've kept away from any & all spoilers - so I really have no idea what I've seen and have no context to put it in...but I know it looked awesome and I'll be there front & center with all the rest of you schmoes come December.
In any event - the teaser is a piece of advertising, calculated to raise interest and cause a buzz....worked, didn't it ? -
The premise of the 'uncanny valley' is that the cgi person looks so incredibly, amazingly real that it creeps us out and threatens us and makes us resent it's super awesome real-ness. These things do not look so real they creep me out. They just look like an above average Pixar cartoon.
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Jesus Christ!!!! That's the best CG I've ever seen! I'm serious! This in 3D WILL be a revolution! Holy SHIT!!!!
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Lost, Dexter, The Wire, 24, and on and on and ON. Hours upon hours of entertainment, legendary stories and character development, and on and on.
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IMHO the CGI is similar to the diseased humans transformed into monsters in I Am Legend.BTW Gollum worked because it was night most of the time during his scenes. The blue tint helped to cover up any failings.
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...breathes sigh of relief...
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or chorus of the apocalypse. So sick of todays trailer formats.
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Don't forget in most other movies you have some CGI scenes while in AVATAR you have a complete CGI planet! I don't give a fuck if you think it is photorealistic... I know I will go there because no one ever in the history of cinema delivered something cool like this before!!! Kudos to James Cameron for making my Sci-Fi wet dream come true!
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The G-men frown apon using government bandwith for anything else then socking it to the little guy, and my PC sucks. Maybe the new Pavilion elite Im waiting on will come in stock soon.
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itself seems dull and the premise is worn out. That, and Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana are wooden actors.
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WHO THINK LORD OF THE BORING MOVIES ARE BETTER THAN AVATAR ? JUST A BUNCH OF RETARDED MORONS WHO HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON THE BOX OFFICE RECEIPTS AND GENERAL PUBLIC OPINION. SO ALL THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE THE TRAILER : YOU HAVE SHIT IN YOUR EYES AND YOU MINDS ARE DUSBTIN, SO GO SHOOT YOURSELVES
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I have a feeling this movie is gonna be the new Transformers. It looks like a cross between 10,000 BC, Star Wars Ep. 1, mixed with Princess Mononoke.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. It just seems a little extreme to say something so dramatic with people just reacting to the trailer. Clearly the people who say they hate this are getting under his skin, so it's obviously working.
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I think the aliens he created represent how he wanted them to look. I also think that watching the trailer/film in a theatre setting may change the aspect of what the scenes look like. I understand your example with Jurassic Park, but for me, at no time did I believe the dinosaurs to be "real". I put the movie in it's context, which I think many people are missing the point on. It's a sci-fi war movie 12 foot blue aliens: How exactly real is it going to look? However I do agree that Cameron never hyped this movie, and there are some who are taking him to task for something he never said.
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The HD versions do look decently impressive. THe soles of the guy's feet when he sits up, the pores on the skin, very well done. The problem IMO is consistency: There are some truly impressive scenes, but it's 50/50 with poor render ones. Not sure why that's the case at this stage.
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Right on, brother. Keep on reading. TV is a shit show nowadays. I have not watched more than an hr of continuous television (not including movies) for months. Beware the Ice & Fire series-- Martin has only published 4 out of the planned 7 and he's notoriously bad at getting them released. The worry among fans is that he'll die before he finishes, which isn't outside the realm of possibility. As for The Odyssey... I've not gotten to that yet. I read the Iliad back in the day but if you think it's worth going for, I'm game.
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Because anything this far from our reality (ie giant blueys) will never look completely "real" regardless of how many pixels you use.
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I don't care if it's rated X people will break in the the theater to see this in 3d! Makes Star Wars look like a fucking flipbook!
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and the sunlight that hits its tongue when it roars... incredible FX work.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:01:10 PM CDT
Cameron cares because we'll tell two of our non-geek friends
by chuck_chuckwalla
... and so on and so on.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:02:13 PM CDT
The King of Rohan offers some advice to James Cameron:
by --- emperor ---
"Is this all you can conjure, Saruman!?" (Sorry Jim, I couldn't help myself).
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Aug 20, 2009 5:02:15 PM CDT
STAR WARS is 4 years old and it looks much better than this!!!
by dioxholsterunbound
hahahaha!! shoulda went with ILM james!
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and they don't know what they're looking at. They seem to be mistaking the execution of the CGI with their dislike of the concept design of the creatures. Two different things. If you look at the CGI (and I mean honestly look, not with screwface hateraide bullshit) you'll notice that it's remarkable. Really, it's quite extraordinary.Also, some of the compositing seems a tad 'off,' the reason being is it's a stereoscopic movie. It makes sense that the extra layer of depth is created when the film is projected in 3D.
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and your point is? Pixar houses some of the greatest animators in the world. If this looks half as beautiful as Up! does I'm there. Of course this is gonna be cartoony guys, it's a fantasy battle epic on a colorful jungle planet, how the fuck is it gonna look real? I'm sorry too that the hype machine brought out this notion of "photo real" but leave that for films like District 9 and Jurassic Park. This is full on fantasy with bright colors, the teaser does not look very gritty. And can we all just wait to see some footage (I'll be seeing it tomorrow) and the actual movie before we judge! I cant believe how many are writing this off froma fucking teaser, you guys are nuts! I praise the lovers in here, any fantasy geek should be creaming their pants right now cause this looks epic and fun!
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I don't get what your saying dude, floating islands ideas have been around for years, I remember this game years ago
http://tinyurl.com/ncn7jv
Ill admit though the guild wars image looked alot alike but isn't it concevible that the same concept artist may have worked on each? And cmon Cameron can do what ever he likes with a dropship, he practically invented that look in Aliens. -
Cameron said the WETA guys learned as they went along, so some of the earlier shots they tackled will not be as impressive as the ones later on in the schedule.
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If that doesn't make me want to see this, I don't know what will.Jus' fuckin' with ya. Knew you'd give Cameron a chance.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:04:39 PM CDT
I think I speak for the majority of Talkbackers here (not necess
by --- emperor ---
Is this all you can Conjure, Saruman!? Is this all you can Conjure, Saruman!? Is this all you can Conjure, Saruman!? Is this all you can Conjure, Saruman!? Is this all you can Conjure, Saruman!?
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I take a little bit of glee in imagining this thing flopping just to shut Cameron's arrogant mouth up for a while. But in all fairness, there's nothing to hate here. You have some spotty CG that's been poorly edited into a trailer (with slo-motion, etc.). I will report back with many of you this weekend re: AVATAR DAY. Bale Bless you all.
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what exactly were you expecting...specifically?
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it does looks good and i cant wait to see it, maybe its the hype, but the cgi dosnt look as jaw droppng as it was supposed to be, the na'vi dont look like a big leap forward in cgi that i was expecting, it still looks like computer animation, dosnt look 100% realistic (was i expecting too much?) i thought cameron waited until technology caught up, it looks ike this could have been made at any point in the last decade (with a suitably enourmous budget), i havnt seen more footage, am i wrong to be so critical? i know there is more footage out there is it more impressive than the treaser or is the teaser showing not quite finished shots?, because ive watched a few times now and it just dosnt match what i was expecting, all this isnt really important of course, cameron does tend to make incredible films (true lies is the only one of his i dont really like, yes i actually like titianic, although if you tell anyone ill deny it)but pretty much everything ive read on this movie concentrated on the special effects and it turns out their not quite as good as all that, still biggest opening weekend ever is on its way methinks.
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exactly the same to those in the painting.The Burning Crusade expansion which contains the Nagrand region was releashed on January 16, 2007 while that painting is uploaded on 10/24/07.Using your logic,the artist of this painting was the one who stole the image from the Nagrand floating islands,since the expansion came first.
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is how manipulative it is, the humans look rendered and blurred so they can blend with the cgi enviroment which is done to make us believe the cgi in the movie is incredible. BULLSHIT we all noticed how fake it is and how fake the humans look.
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If you think the Kashykk sequence looks better than Pandora you really do need a good eyeball fucking.
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Hey, Cameron built this shit up like it was the second coming. It's perfectly understandable that people are disappointed that it looks like Beowulf all over again. I'm still gonna see it and it does look cool, but so far I don't see anything revolutionary as Cameron himself promised. That's his own damn fault.
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The only thing that got fucked was my expectations. I'll still see it, but the CGI didn't look Gollum real. Fuck you WETA, JC, please ask for a refund from WETA, they obviously dropped the ball.
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Lord knows if the storyline's anything much, but Cameron DOES produce. This could be lotsa fun.
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We all know that special effects in movies will continue to get better every year until we all die. If this film turns out to be great, it will be because of the writing, acting, and direction. CGI is just an added bonus...always has been. My eyeballs lost their virginity during Jurassic Park. Id rather my entire brain will be fucked by a great all around movie. Plus, to all you critics of movie TRAILERS, the actual movie "Avatar" comes out in December, might want to try saving your judgements for that instead of either hyping yourselves up, or already being disappointed. Try going into a movie theater with a fresh clear mind for once.
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I think just like the Don Quixote ideas turned into the Imaginerium(bla bla rest of title) for Gilliam, this movie is something born wayback when Cameron was doing Aliens.Looks like it I think,but Im often wrong:)
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if you put glasses on them they can pass for nerds
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Jesus Christ, no. No, no, no. This is going to bomb. People are going to LAUGH at the two anorexic blue cartoons kissing at the end of the teaser this weekend.
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there are even concept art pics which depict the same islands.check them in the wow site.jesus fuckin christ,where did common sense go?
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Aug 20, 2009 5:14:25 PM CDT
Were you all expecting it to jump off the screen and suck your c
by mojination
This movie looks excellent! the trailer was great, and if you can't get past it being just a movie and not the life-changing moment you thought it was going to be than you need to get out more.
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You're totally right about the CG not looking Gollum real. BECAUSE GOLLUM DOESN'T LOOK REAL!
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You are probably right. Kids will no doubt flock to it in droves even if it's shit (Trans2). I digress.
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the same people who bashed TF2,GIJOE and all the rest of the big budget movies,because,despite their uber cool vfx,they didnt have good stories,characters,etc, THE SAME PEOPLE bash a movie because it doesnt have good vfx.
Where did your concern about the movies story and character,go? u keep talkin all about the cgi aspect of the movie,but nobody said something about the story or the characters or the cast.apart from the generic pocahontas in space thing.miserable things passed for human beings.. -
Exactly right. I've watched it 3 times now with a lot of freezeframing. It looks amazing. Close-ups of the Navi ARE photorealistic. The planet made my eyes bleed. The helicopter things all flying out of the sunset made my brain orgasm. This is going to be epic like nothing else.
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of course it's gonna look like shit.
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—"eyeball fucking" meme has exaggerated to unrealistic expectations and had people thinking they would see jaw-dropping action scenes with VFX so real that they would truly change the context of VFX in movies.What they got was a teaser that is an overview of the world; it showcases subtle gestures and performance based imagery and is designed to lure the mainstream moviegoer and develop a curiosity about the project.
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and yeah, anyone who complains about anything in this trailer is a fucking joke. THIS is what i hope for from hollywood.
oh, and by the way, in regard to all the dumbasses bashing cameron for supposedly saying the CG in this film would be a 'game-changer'... he was talking about the 3D depth perception provided by his new camera technology, NOT the computer graphics and rendering. so shut the fuck up with your misinformed pansy bitching. -
i did the same.rewatched the hd trailer several times,and each time i rediscover how magnificent it looks.it will be awesome in the 3d cinema.patience,less than 24 hours left.
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Well said. The story is what matters, something McG and Bay could never comprehend.
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You are all doing what Cameron wants you to do. Doubt him, because the CGI isn't perfect or because the trailer doesn't give away much. Doubt him because when you do, he will completely blow everyone away with this movie.
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Nothing personal against your conceptions, but...I find it rather easy to refute a large amount of Campbell's conclusions. I have an extensive library of books of folklore and myth from around the world (mostly original sources), that I've assembled over a few decades, and from my experience, Campbell is way off the mark, and too biased toward his out-of-date Jungian, early 20th century interpretations.
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I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not talking about how 'real' the aliens look. I'm talking about how 'real' the fake matter they are made of looks. As in, I don't care what the aliens look like, I only care that their skin looks like it is made of a real substance, like they're actually *there* and not drawings of things that are supposed to be there. And yes, the Navi homeworld looks exactly like Nagrand from World of Warcraft lol. The whole time I am watching this film I'll be waiting for a rogue to pop out and gank Sam Worthington.
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totally agree on TV, I can't get into all these new series that everyone seems to love. Some do look ok but I hate getting hooked on what always eventually seems to become soap operas. Friends of mine have said as much about Lost, Prison Break etc. They get you hooked and never give answers, I learnt my lesson with the end of Quantam Leap! I may wait for the Ice & Fire to be completed then because I'm sure the death of a writer (Robert Jordan?) has just fucked up my fathers book plan.
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I think we're all missing something... This is hitting a movie nerd nerve, yes, but what about the casual WOW gamers, the Twilight "fantasy romance" crowd, and the Transformers home-theater porn audience? This will make bank from those guys. I find it strange myself that there are three giant science fiction spectacles this year that I'm not interested in (Avatar, Termina4or, Tran2formers), while old-timey kiddie movies are looking very promising (Where The Wild Things Are, Fantastic Mr. Fox). Strange, this must be what adulthood feels like. www.agenesisfound.com
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Right. The trailer gets more and more impressive with each viewing. And you're right, the helicopter shot is f'ing cool.
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You may be,but I stream High Def trailers to my 50" plasma..
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You may be,but I stream High Def trailers to my 50" plasma..
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You may be,but I stream High Def trailers to my 50" plasma..
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Damn triple post
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Oh, and I agree that it's impossible to grade the stereoscopic success at this point, but Cameron has been bragging about photo-realism. The humans in the teaser look fantastic, so I hope that's what he's talking about... because the creatures and battles look on the level of Revenge of the Sith (which was great work). www.agenesisfound.com
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I've watched the trailer with that theme song rattling around my head and instead of seeing ground-breaking visuals, what I'm now seeing now just looks bloody silly!!! Just as well I'm not paying to see Fox films anyway, as the mention of Thunder-cats has ruined any credibility it might have had with me.
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JOSEPH CAMPBELL WILL OWN YOUR ASS!
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Now that I've seen this trailer, the more I'm looking forward to ROBOGEISHA. Nothing else matters.
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THAT is the most impressive aspect. This is actor-centric CGI.
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But does anyone else think that the trailer for this seems about as cool as the first Narnia trailer a few years ago? I don't know, this teaser trailer feels similar to the Narnia ones for some reason.Whatever, I'll see the movie.
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like an oil painting from the cover of a 1980's scifi/fantasy. Like something done by Jim Burns or Larry Elmore. I don't know if that is a good thing or not. I can appreciate that style out of nostalgia, and it would be appropriate for something set or inspired by the era, but after the real-world grit/verisimilitude of D-9, Avatar may come across as cutesy or too fantastical. I'm sure I'll still see it and enjoy it, but Avatar is definately going to get D-9's sloppy seconds from my eyeballs. ;-)
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Dear Fuckwits: CGI has never looked real. Never. In any movie. Every CG effect ever put to film looks fake to one degree or another, and that includes your precious Gollum and your overhyped Prawns. Just accept the fucking imperfections of the medium and move on with your inconsequential life already, will you?
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Well, as someone said, people are judging the 3D work and render quailty as it were the same thing as the design. I have my doubts too about the design of Naavi, but 3D wise this is nothing short of spectacular. Get the 1080p version and you can check pretty much the tactile quality of the images, shadows and reflections. The interactions are amazing and so are the dynamics. To me, more dangerous are the body or facial animations which so far they are just ok, not really revolutionary as of yet.
Other than that, well, just the images of the fucking Pandora planet deserve every cent of my euros.
And about that discussion about floating islands. Not onyl they have been around forever in Sci-Fi literature, you can actually find them graphically msot notoriously in the Martyn and Roger Dean Paper Tiger books from the 70´s. And not only the islands, even the animals and general Pandora style look like they could come out straight from Flight of Icarus. -
yea thats why I said the picture looks alike so could they be the same artist? I did't know you was answering my earlier question either. And did you see the link to the game Project Nomads I posted? Which was from 2002. Alot of images from that look alot like the Avatar and Guild Wars image.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:31:49 PM CDT
I usually kind of despise the rampant negativity of the talkback
by spazatronik2000
But I gotta disagree with Harry on this, and am siding with all the bashers in this thread. We wanted a Cameron Sci-Fi masterpiece, not a mad scientist's combination of Antz and Attack of the Clones. The Na'vi just look freaking REDONKULOUS. Why are their eyes so big and cartoony? Plastic skin. I gotta say that I think I've seen better skin shaders before. The way they move reminds me of mo-cap video game cut scenes. Their bodies do not bend and move in an ultra realistic manner. I'm not seeing photo-real musculature work here. The Hulk's physique was more realistic. So was Jar Jar's and other characters from Star Wars. And after a summer of pure CGI thrill ride nonsense, a bunch of effects shots just isn't that exciting. Where is the mood, atmosphere, character work, story? The Phantom Menace trailer delivered on more of those than this effects reel teaser.
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and come here and tell us what you thought of the trailer.
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from "The Grudge" have a cameo in this?
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Do you guys see what is being done here? Don't you understand?
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And it does look better. The monsters look great, the spaceships look great but SW's Avatar character looks pretty cheesy when the "camera" is close on his face.
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i think Cameron just rooted through Skywalker Ranches dumpsters for their computers.
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...my head is going to explode. Cameron never said the CG work was going to be ground breaking. The 3D nature of the effects and the technology used to make shoot in 3D is what is ground breaking. Cameron himself said that the effects work is much like what we have already seen in LOTR. All of this hype is coming from you guys, not Cameron, not the studio. It's coming from you. And when it doesn't live up to the expectations that you created, you shit all over it. Seriously, grow up.
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And didn't hype myself up like you nimrods. I was never expecting an eyeball fucking, I was expecting a cool sci-fi flick. You blew it out of proportion, and not it can't live up to your unrealistic expectations, not JCs fault, tis yours.
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IT'S A FUCKING TEASER TRAILER. CHRIST. The Phantom Menace teaser trailer made that movie look utterly bad ass. The Terminator Salvation trailers made that movie look utterly bad ass. Trailers don't mean anything.
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What's that all about?
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and another thing how it looks like.when they say the visuals are like nothing i have ever seen,they mean that they look very realistic or at least better than the previous artifically made visuals.
they are refering to the idea of floating islands.ofc its not something new.BUT your main error is that u compare 2 static pics.the important factor here is the motion of the floating islands,thats what the visuals of the scene refer to.
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he gave in aicn during comicon.i even posted the link from there,but in the deaf's door u can knock as long as u want..
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Best CG face ever. Seriously, just look at it. Amazing.
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Cameron did overhype it but if you don't want to see it nobody is forcing you.
Say your piece and fuck off because there's a word for those who post the same whiny shit again and again and again in thread after thread.
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That was a moment I wish he could go back and erase. This has nothing to do with AVATAR, I just wanted to slap "the other JC" around for a bit...
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Aug 20, 2009 5:47:29 PM CDT
It appears Avatar borrowed heavily from "The Chameleon"
by james_camera_on
Until I saw the teaser I had been reluctant to speculate, but now I believe just as Cameron borrowed heavily from the two fine Harlan Ellison Outer Limits episodes ("Soldier," and "Demon with a Glass Hand") to create the Terminator movies, so too has he borrowed heavily from the fine Outer Limits episode "The Chameleon" by Robert Towne to create the Avatar story. That episode is on youtube.com -- just do a search on "OL -- The Chameleon." I am disappointed by this, but if one must steal, steal from the best. Judge for yourself.
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Yeah, it looks underwhelming, but as I recall so did the trailers to Abyss, True Lies and Titanic.
Here's what I thought when I first saw those trailers:
Abyss: "Geez, that looks just as dumb as Leviathan". True Lies: "Great. Another James Bond movie. (And I don't really like James Bond movies.)
Titanic: "Looks like a retread of Far and Away."
So, I see Abyss and while uneven, it still gets you by the throat when Ed Harris has to do CPR on Mary Elizabeth and that film rates a solid B+
And for my money, True Lies is the best "guns and explosions" movie ever made, (they're a subset in my mind. Die Hard hasn't aged well for me, but True Lies still resonates today. I also think that because I just happened to pop True Lies into the DVD player on Sept. 10, 2001.) And though Titanic WAS sort of like a rehash of Far and Away complete with Irish pipes, a simplistic romance and similar Snidely Whiplash villains, at least Titanic still delivers a top-notch, nail-biting climax.)
So, the point is, I trust James Cameron. He's never made an outright bad film and I'm hoping he can still work his storytelling, action-filmmaking magic. If not, well then, it will still be the best damn tree people movie ever. -
From Cameron's own mouth--
http://tiny.cc/QPxCH
“Avatar will make people truly experience something. One more layer of the suspension of disbelief will be removed. All the syn-thespians are photo-realistic." -
I've seen better faces on the Zbrush amateur effects artists forum. It looks like a plastic action figure.
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true, but pretty much everythings been imagined and drawn in some game or comic by now. The last act of D9 felt like I'd played it before in a video game, but it was still great.
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When we're talking about who ripped off whom concerning floating islands I think Jonathan Swift would be a good candidate for coming up with the first floating rock/island. That island would be Laputa in Gulliver's Travels, published around 1726. Anyone got an earlier one? Please don't tell me there's one in the bible.
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and move it how?its a static image.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:53:07 PM CDT
Navi are Brendan Fraser in Bedazzled, as the basketball player
by orionsangels
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Aug 20, 2009 5:54:34 PM CDT
Watch this interview http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/7/jam
by bedhead7
Listen closely. He never says the CG is transparent, he never says he's achieved photo realism. He simply says he's trying to get there. He "wants" the cg to be transparent. The haters are putting words in his mouth. The story and character are clearly the most imporant thing to Cameron for Avatar.
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Aug 20, 2009 5:55:22 PM CDT
I made some stills from the 1980x version of the trailer
by orionsangels
I re-sized them though. As most don't have a monitor that big. http://tinyurl.com/lpu5oa
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SEE HARRY PREPARING TO BAN FROM THIS SITE MULTIPLE IPS OF ALL THE HATERS !
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I think in my excitement I may have even wet my pants a little...
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there was an ancient greek tale from a well known writer,cant recall his name.its considered one of the first scifi tales in the human history.i just cant remember if the protagonist of the tale,travelled to a flying island or to moon.anyway.
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there was an ancient greek tale from a well known writer,cant recall his name.its considered one of the first scifi tales in the human history.i just cant remember if the protagonist of the tale,travelled to a flying island or to moon.anyway.
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there was an ancient greek tale from a well known writer,cant recall his name.its considered one of the first scifi tales in the human history.i just cant remember if the protagonist of the tale,travelled to a flying island or to moon.anyway.
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there was an ancient greek tale from a well known writer,cant recall his name.its considered one of the first scifi tales in the human history.i just cant remember if the protagonist of the tale,travelled to a flying island or to moon.anyway.
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Unbelievable --- even by TalkBack standards. Tell you what. Why don't all of you brats just go ahead and skip this movie if it looks so terrible. It's easy -- all you have to do is simply NOT go see it. Maybe one day somebody will make a perfect movie that fucks your eyes while simultaneously sucking your little tiny dick and fingering your tightly clenched ass. Seriously. This movie looks like shit to you? The CG is "terrible"????? God damn, go fuck yourselves to death. You'll never be happy with anything.
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Yeah, this story better be unbelievably good and the characters extremely well-drawn, because visually this just doesn't cut it. The colors are too bright and saturated...I'm actually quite surprised that professionals would do this. I'm a CG modeler and texture artist, and...this just screams video game. Colors in nature just aren't that saturated. Cameron is a very solid writer though, so I have hope that this won't be a complete waste, but...outlook not good. As for the rest of you who diss the movie because it's "preachy about environmentalism", that's a silly criticism for a work of art...art reflects aspects of what's going on in the world, be it violence, drugs, crime...environmentalism is just one aspect among many, and what you're really saying when you complain about that point is, you don't like movies with environmental themes, and that's your right, but that opinion really has no objective validity. Any topic at all is acceptable for a movie. It may not be your thing, but it doesn't speak to the quality of a film per se. And finally, all you guys who hate environmentalism, I've got bad news for you - because of morons like you, the environment is on seriously shaky legs because all the bees are dying of some unknown problem. Bees pollinate pretty much all crops, and without them, oops, we're well and truly fucked. Einstein said WAY back when that if the bees ever died out, civilization would collapse within four years. Think about the fragile interconnectedness of this biosphere the next time you shit on environmentalism...it just makes you look like a moron. Here's a link to an EPA/CDC article about it: http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/about/intheworks/honeybee.htm
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I commend you for talking to "the wall" for as long as you did, and your last post about knocking on deafs door said it all.I was at Comic Con, 3rd row center, for the 25 minutes of AVATAR in 3-D, and I likey very very much. Don't care what all the haters say, I know what was onscreen and it was AWESOME. Cheers!
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How unoriginal can you get? People, this is not true sci-fi, it's a love story. Much more fantasy than sci-fi. Cameron discovered that people packed the theaters for his last love story (Titanic) and now he's back trying to trick us into thinking this is some epic sci-fi, when it's just a love story hidden under some under-whelming effects. Chicks will probably dig it.
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I agree that there are many generic cgi issues with the teaser for a lot of those who watch sci-fi regularly. I saw the comicon footage and in 3D, I thought it all worked amazingly well. I still hold out some judgment because no amount of FX can cover up a shitty story. as a fan, I give Cameron the benefit of the doubt.
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Aug 20, 2009 6:05:22 PM CDT
Notice how the bitches bitching about the haters
by fa_tass_dinomolester
Always seem so angry and emotionally disturbed, much more so than the so-called "haters" who have legitimate concerns and observations about the film in question. They leap to their figurative feet in an enraged stupor, reacting to complaints about the film, (in this case "Avatar"), as if its a personal attack on them. It's really fucking bizarre behavior...
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I'll spend the $10.00 on candy canes for Christmas.
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Don't fool yourself. Films are now designed to to have at least 5 trailer worthy money shots. I seem to remember hearing this on Fav's Party of Five show back in the day.
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Aug 20, 2009 6:07:28 PM CDT
once, was meh, now I, rewatched, was good, and now, I see.
by ironic_name
its good!
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There's an environmentalist aspect to Avatar? What in the world?!
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Cloverfield, Lots of Jurassic Park 1 & 3...
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Thanks for the pics buddy.
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How long til that footage ends up online so we can "properly understand the magic?" Because right now this shit is DELGO.
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Aug 20, 2009 6:09:50 PM CDT
Give it up guys. You'll never top the Phantom Menace Talkback o
by orionsangels
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Can you tell me how the colors of an alien planet creatures are then?
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I could give a rat's piss if the fucking effects were puppets. For any of you stiffs to second guess the guy who brought you Terminator 1&2, Aliens, Abyss, True Lies, and Titanic is beyond any true fan of film. It really is. Think about what you are saying. You're expecting a bad James Cameron film; based on what evidence? a 2 minute trailer posted online (not in a theater, you know, where movies are meant to be seen). That's it? His entire film legacy washed down the drain because the effects don't look good. Harry's right on his twitter - this hate is a fucking joke.
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lets see the scene from the trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/njr7bs
first of all the light comes from the left.there are at least 10 big floatings islands and 3 smaller ones acting as satellites.there is a waterfall in one of the big islands (like in Nagrand!).there is also a lot of mist there.in fact the whole background looks to be just clouds.there is a space carrier too.
now lets see the guild wars pic,u claim avatar has ripped of.
hmm first of all the light comes from the right.there are only 6 islands,and no smaller satellite ones.I dont see a waterfall coming from any of the islands.there is mist but a lot thinner than the avatar pic.the background is a rainforest grounded on earth,no clouds.and definitely there is no space carrier in the pic.
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Aug 20, 2009 6:12:07 PM CDT
dickholster, you must have a tiny dick to fuck bees up the butt
by ironic_name
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its what happens when hype is high and geek love is foaming for cameron based on nothing but a handfull of movies...dissapointment....basically it proves cameron is not a film god....as for camerons trailers being underwhelming, the abyss and true lies were both '90s movies or earlier....every trailer back then was "underwhelming" compared to recent trailers....the trailer makes it look like the movies u geeks say stunk this year....transformers 2 and gi-joe....lots of CG, no story....but everyone raves for it cuz its CAMERON!!
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Aug 20, 2009 6:13:49 PM CDT
buttstink, we get it. you drew some floaty islands cameron stole
by ironic_name
drink a glass of cement and harden up.
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For some people (myself included) spectacle is not the be all and end all of moviemaking, so I don't see much here other than just some cool FX shots. And the reason people are complaining about the CGI is because Cameron has been going ON AND ON about how this movie will make all other movies look like stick drawings (not an exact quote, but you know what I mean)
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WE have no idea who you're referencing.
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Aug 20, 2009 6:18:54 PM CDT
and for all who say "it's only a trailer, what do you expect"
by wookie1972
If you really believe that, why all the nonsense about a countdown?
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The Navi look way too cartoony. If that's final, this will be complete crap.
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You know it's true.
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...It looks completely soulless
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Lighten up.
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The idea is that once you get close to photorealism but not quite to photorealism, you lose something and the mind rejects it as "creepy", cf. the Final Fantasy movie. I have to say that what I saw here was pretty dazzling, except for the character animation of the Na'Vi, who look like videogame characters, not living breathing people. Sorry, but the Valley still holds, and Cameron can shut the hell up about "emotion capture."
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"Cameron has been going ON AND ON about how this movie will make all other movies look like stick drawings (not an exact quote, but you know what I mean)" Actually, I don't. The only thing I have read that attributed to him is that he delayed it because of f/x. Okay, so even if he did, at what point does everyone here think to themselves "Well, he did say it was a 3D based movie, and that he wanted the ability of theaters to be able to show the film how he wants it. And it is only a trailer posted ONLINE, so maybe my shitty computer isn't representative of the way Cameron wants to show his film." When does that thought process kick in when these guys start typing away.
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the question everyone should be asking!
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Looks awful. Don't like looks of the avatar creatures and hopefully, Cameron won't get his way let this be the wave of the future.
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You can't see it, it's hidden in the BLUE VAGINA!
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I want to see it, Apple!
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Quicktime sucks.
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Any possibility that you haters can post a bunch of your CG work so we can all see how it's suppose to be done? Obviously WETA has no clue...please, I'm so interested to see what real genius is!
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Not tonight I have a headache.
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Lucas.
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if he had simply cast Croatian high jumper Blanka Vlasic as Neytiri - no cgi required.
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how cack does that look.
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From one Forbidden Planet lover to another, if you say the footage at comiccon is better and works better than the trailer, I will believe you. I was already willing to give the movie the benefit of the doubt even though I think the cgi is very - well...animated looking. I read some post above that made a great point that the cgi in D9 looked very real, as opposed to this, but that was due to the cgi being put into a human environment, as opposed to an entire world being created. Ultimately it will be the story that matter most. I love a great animated movie, and if this turn out to be a great live action/animated flick then who cares if if does not push the envelope? Some Tuna guy up above said that Cameron never promised groundbreaking cgi, but did promise groundbreaking 3D. Ok, I can live with that. So while I can understand the uh...angst that some of my fellow posters are expressing about the quality of the cgi and the decidedly un-carnal nature of eye ball entertainment, I say just wait until the movie is shown before making up your mind. And really, 95% of people who are against this on this board will still pay to see it.
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watchted it again... still looks like a toon.
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here's the acid test... picture that teaser trailer in your minds eye. What do you see? A fucking cartoon.
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..giving a shit who made it. seeing people say things like "his track record should be reason enough to give him a shot" make me scratch my head. maybe i'm special but i could care less that cameron made this, i could care less who makes any movie or who is in it, who wrote it, who placed the duct tape for the cables on the floor. i go see movies because i see a trailer or tv spot and i think it looks good. i dont give a shit who was involved with the making of it. giving movies a free pass because of who made it is just sad. see a movie because you think it looks good, not because so and so is involved.
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It's a carbon copy of the contested zone of Halaa located in Nagrand. WETA fucking fails, ILM is light years ahead of them.
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So what you're saying is that because a creature's skin doesn't look like our skin it's bad CGI and can't be real? Most sea mammals (dolphins, walruses, whales) have skin that looks plastic. Conclusion, dolphins aren't real. They are only CGI renderings projected onto the water.
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I believe one of the main reasons,people view the cgi as cartoony,is because,in contrast of the previous cgi films we are used to,in Avatar Cameron has used a colourful pallete to depict Pandora.Whereas we have the grey transformers,or the brown davy jones,or just a single colour pallete for golum,King Kong,etc,here in avatar,Cameron wisely used all the colours of the pallette.
and i say wisely,for a reason: We live and we are used in a bright,colourful world and Cameron tries to make Pandora a living,breathing,bright,colourful world in order to help us with the suspension of disbelief.Just compare the grey,cold,soulless machinery of the space marines,with the colourful plants,animals and the navi themselves of the planet Pandora.For me that variety color promotes the realism of the world,its welcomed,but i agree that the colours since they apply to cgi image,they will make them look cartooney to people,especially those who grew up playing console videogames.
And i am pretty sure that i am correct about the colour pallete causing this cartoony feeling to the talkbackers,because i have a similar debate when the first trailers of Red Alert 3 came out.RA3 in contrast to the previous C&C and RA rts games,it used a full color pallete,everything in the game was colourful and not just grey,black or brown.But people reacted negatively to this visualization,they thought that the game looked very cartoony..
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...I am sure that those here who are bitching about this movie are, in fact, asshats of the highest magnitude, and their opinions on this movie and all others can and should be completely disregarded or outright ignored. I'd tell you to have fun with your nitpicking, but I see that fun is a foreign concept to a lot of you. So how bout just "fuck off." I'll be seeing this one opening night.
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scott who's only done 2 scifi movies is alreayd seen an icon of the genre and THAT's the movie i'm awaiting.
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XBOX 360 the movie without the fun of playing.
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XBOX 360 the movie without the fun of playing.
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I'm just implying the GGI looks like shit. And it does. The Gungans were rendered better then the Nav'i. And that was done like ummm, 10 years ago!!!!!
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Is Scott actually working on that, or is it in pre-production hell?
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Pretty damn nice. Need to watch a few times I think...
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The aliens are REAL, it's the humans that are CG! Now don't you feel silly?
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ok, everybody. shut it down.
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I'll bet it does. If audiences react poorly to this trailer, Halo is finished. The story is already dodgy and suspect.
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But in the future and with Blue Creatures. It may get the Oscar for Best Picture.
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This will be Cameron's King Kong. In other words, a massive exercise in hubris that will spell "Failure" creatively and artistically, if not financially.
Like Jackson, Cameron poured his heart into this project, but ultimately it looks to be all style and no substance. It "feels" wrong or off somehow. Am I the only one who thinks the character designs are all wrong?
And the whole thing looked really fake. I know Cameron spent four years and untold millions on this new technology, but to me this doesn't look a damn bit better than the horrid Star Wars prequels.
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The Gungans were rendered better than the Na'vi. That's rich. Pull any Na'vi closeup screenshot from that trailer and do the same with a Gungan and put 'em together and then say that with a straight face. Honestly, now you guys are just saying shit without thinking things through.
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In,lets say,5 years from now,it will make Avatar look like a techdemo or a demoscene demo.
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...was EVER an original concept? "Oh my gawd, that new sci-fi movie has, like, ray guns in it! I can't believe they're ripping off Star Wars like that! HOW DERIVATIVE!"
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In,lets say,5 years from now,it will make Avatar look like a techdemo or a demoscene demo.you should better hold your hate for then.
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Hate for this? I don't get that at all. It looks simply amazing. Amazing. Look at the face at 1:35-ish. Harry, ban the haters, they don't deserve to be on this geeky nerdsite. (kidding about the banning, but could you spank them?)
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if a trailer disappoints you then I think you need to get a life. seriously. Its a fucking trailer people. By all means base whether or not you will see the film on it but if your life is a state that a trailer can be such a huge disappointment you need to strop what you are doing and change the tack of your life. The trailer has far from blown my mind of fucked my eyeballs but its a fucking trailer. the aicn boards where the film of film comes to die.
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The talkback way. "Since 1996... or at least since Episode 1"
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"Am I the only one who thinks the character designs are all wrong?" The egos displayed here is amazing.
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"Am I the only one who thinks the character designs are all wrong?" The egos displayed here are amazing.
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Just like many, I wasn’t able to see the trailer. That alone is giving me a very bad feeling. For a multimillion $$ movie like this to have so much problems with people not able to see the trailer is just inexcusable, and from those that were able to see the trailer the promised of “eyeball fucking” is just not there. This movie has been production for years and the hype that its been getting here is just like CLOVERFIELD, except CLOVERFIELD we were able to see the trailer and we all KNEW that the movie was in no way going to live up to the hype. But at least the hype was entertaining. With AVATAR, it’s just hype with nothing really backing it up and just people spewing it’s gonna “fuck your eyeballs.” With nothing to really back up that claim I was not on the hype bandwagon this time. Actually with some many people hyping it up me, like so many other people was getting sick of it and not with this marketing catastrophe, and what many are saying to be nothing more than typical to video game level CGI, I’m really not that excited about seeing this. I’m more disappoint that yet another director had gone off the deep end a la Spielberg and have lost touch on how to make movies. Its sad that Hollywood is churning out shitty movies like they were French fries but its worse when its from some one that we fans KNOW can make a great movie. But this is just sad, Cameron blocking the release of the movie DELGO and getting the word Avatar copyright, plus a shit load of money and years working on this, I expected a lot.
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I could have done without all the hype. It's actually a pretty normal looking scifi movie.
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but that was total ass-kickery of the sweetest kind. I so want to see this movie RAHT NAOW. Cameron, you magnificent bastard.
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I just remind myself I'm logged onto www.aintitcooltohate.com
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WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT.
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it really does get better each viewing.
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And that's all. If this movie hadn't been built up to be the be all end all second coming new world order paradigm changing eyeball fuck that it's been, then I would just say, "that looks interesting. I'll go see it." Instead, the content is being held to an incredibly unrealistic standard. And then there's this, people: At the end of the day, it's just a movie.
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Do you folks even enjoy watching movies? I assume you do because you're here, but unless its "dark" and "gritty" you all just bitch and moan. Its as if you are suffering from a collective cognitive dissonance: you hate the very thing you live for. Man, that must suck.
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We didn't hype the movie and make the trailer seem like the second coming with a dramatic count down. It's like this whole time you think your about to get it on with a super model and you get the crying game.
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try not to take it more seriously than that. life will be happier. although it might be hard to buy into the love story...and...YAY 4 BLUE VAGINA!!
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I really want to like this but let's face it - it looks a bit shit. Like a computer game but with giant smurf like creatures. Granted - it's meant to be seen in 3D at IMAX but i don't buy that it will mean the difference between a hammy, cheesy computer game look and something that will blow my mind. Sorry Jim but this could be your Eyes Wide Shut.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:04:09 PM CDT
The water pseudopod in Abyss (1989) ... The T-1000 in T2 (1992)
by chuck_chuckwalla
... giant smurf-snarfs in Avatar (2009).
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Can I call you guys faggots or what?
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That's what happens when you go with the welfare special effects department that is WETA. Can you imagine the break room in ILM after seeing this trailer? They must be hi-fiving each other and laughing their asses off.
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Singing the Halo theme song...
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I hope it's Cameron's Eyes Wide Shut! That movie was awesome! Standard top-notch quality Kubrick. I love movies!
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And that shit was visually rapacious!
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I want a list, a list of all films that came out in the last 3-5 years that fall into the "special effects blockbuster" category. And I want every negative asshole to rank which they'd rather watch compared to Avatar. Now save that piece of paper, save it where you won't lose it. After you've seen the Avatar (not the damn trailer) open that piece of paper up. How wrong do you think you'll be? How emberrasing will that list seem? I wonder, cause based on that trailer, I can't think of many films that raise the bar THAT high that you shouldn't be damn excited Cameron has spend 4 years and $200 million to give you something to do for 2 hours. Negative bitches.
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When it comes to anonymous internet movie fans, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is one of those days that it is truly embarrassing to be an AICN talkbacker.
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well IM not dissapointed, looks cool, i may or may not see it.. but this is what happens when reality dont meet expectations...crying fanboys...cameron dont equal gold all the time...just like christian bale dont always equal gold....i bet if it was announced that cameron was directing bale in a movie that all u geeks and fanboys would scream that its gonna be the "BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!" lol......looks like a decent movie, sorry its not the instant orgasm u losers expected it to be....and BTW ...trailers feature completed CGI for the most part...some things may be absent in the background, but the closeups are final CG..sorry to bust that "its not final CG" bubble u guys keep on blowin..
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You said it, man. I came on here this morning to see how people were reacting and was mortified. No one seems to get it at all.
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This stuff will make you a gosh-darned abstinent Triceratops... just like Beaks!
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He's the one who coined the eye fucking meme and that set the standard by which Cameron will be judged. If JC is to be mad at anyone it's him. This movie will suck.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:13:37 PM CDT
On a positive note, those Nav'i warriors are no fucking joke.
by ganymede3010
Looks like they're holding their own despite the technological disadvantage.
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I think that is going a just a tad bit too far. If nothing else it shows that no one gets a free pass. Sure, I think the whingeing is overboard, and people should wait for the movie. But this happens to EVERY movie that gets this much hype on this site. If the movie is great, people will do an about face. If not, then they will not. But if Speilberg can be ripped on this site, then Cameron does not deserve to be above criticism - fair or otherwise. Like I said, the movie itself will tell all.
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Except Sly.
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so this talkback makes you want to quit? awesome, you have now reached a new low. besides Cameron's and your opinion that this is the advancement of film (which are mind you, OPINIONS), can you name one thing, ONE THING, HARRY, from this trailer that justifies people NOT to pick it apart based on how it looks? by that, i want you to point out PLOT, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, ORIGINALITY, DIRECTION, ETC. no opinions, no concepts of WHAT COULD BE, just based on what is actually here right now, this teaser trailer. DO IT, or apologize to the people that PAY YOUR LIVING.
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Having watched the trailer again, for a 6th time, I'm shocked. 200m to feed one mans ego on a premise, look and story that looks so dated and old....when the studio could have invested in new talent, ideas, on small budgets. You could get 10 exciting projects out of one Avi-shit. Criminal.
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Some of the CGI in that trailer is among the best I've ever seen...
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You're posting on a geek website about a trailer the day the trailer came out. You are not a casual movie fan. You are a geek. It's ok. That's why we're here. My mom and co-workers "may or may not see it" You will see it! That's why we are here. haha.
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This is only getting shit on here because it's a big budget, high concept film from a proven director. If this was a Korean indie flick with puppets and stop-motion and no US distribution, these same shit-talkers would be surgically removing their ribs in order to literally blow themselves out of excitement to see it. But since JC boasted that it was good, they have to angrily PROVE they cannot be swayed by the same visuals that impressed the unwashed masses. It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable and cliched.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:21:51 PM CDT
WILL THE BLUE ZOE ACTION FIG BE LIFE-SIZED & ANATOMICALLY CORREC
by bringingsexyback
The very thought has just aroused me!
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"avatarded" is a patent-pending term co. Tall_Boy66 Productions.
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Moriarty over at Hitfix hits the nail on the head. http://tinyurl.com/l8eydq But here's an excerpt. Really? Someone takes the full resources of a studio and manages to get them to greenlight an original SF film instead of a remake or a retread or a superhero film, and it's from the director of some of the most universally-loved SF action films of the last 30 years, and THIS is the film that we decide is going to be the sight-unseen punching bag of the fall season? Really?
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I like that theme. We suck aliens Rule.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:22:28 PM CDT
Ominus, SIMPLY, CAMERON IS FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE…..
by carlthormark1978
It’s because Cameron, like all megalomaniacs, thinks that he is beyond such simple human concepts as “fiscal responsibility”. He believes that he is justified in spending whatever he likes to get what he wants and he doesn’t give a shit if money if being pissed away left and right and he seems to get off on it. Let’s look at his movies and their budgets…. Piranha 2 = ? The Terminator = 6 mill Aliens = 17 mill The Abyss = 80 mill Terminator 2 = 100 mill True Lies = 150 mill Titanic = estimated 200 mill Avatar = 300 million Maybe it’s just me but I see a consistent pattern here of a Director who is good at screaming and yelling in order to get his own way but doesn’t seem to give a flying fuck as to how much his movies cost nor do I believe that he even tries to lower costs since it’s not his money so why should he care? Cameron’s problem is that he is given no limitations and can wrap the studio around his little finger. I know how many people it takes to make a movie of this scale, as I have been reading about movie production my whole life, and even though I might not be “in the business” I do know that when a movie is ridiculously over budgeted is usually a result of the Directors incompetence or indifference to the costs of the movie. In comparison, Guillermo Del Toro has made two Hellboy movies, both at around the very reasonable cost of 60 mill a piece, most impressive since those movies featured huge sets, massive amounts of CGI, make-up and animatronics which are notorious for eating up time on a film set. Cameron, on the other hand, has shot most of Avatar on greenscreen stages with a cast of C-listers (Weaver s B-list) and, from what I understand, isn’t exactly using a whole lot of make-up or animatronics. The fucking insane cost of Avatar is because of a Director who couldn’t care less that he is helping put Hollywood out of business by making movies with demented budgets nor is he setting an example by trying to get his movie made at a reasonable cost. Also, Cameron’s hardon for 3D is one of the other factors in Avatar costing so fucking much and it’s all for Jimmy’s megalomaniacal pipedream that every theatre across the country should be playing movies in 3D just because he demands it nor does he seem to give a shit that that it is financially unfeasible to do so as the cost of running and maintaining such equipment would drive ticket prices up to the point that people will just stay home, download or buy the movie on DVD when it comes out a few months later. Because Cameron has spent the better part of the last two decades burning through other peoples money, he’s lost touch and doesn’t understand that the average person isn’t going to spend 20 to 25 dollars to go see a movie not even including transportation costs and confectionary items such as popcorn, drinks and candy. With that in mind your talking about $50 just for one person to go see a movie and, unless you can afford to, I see people taking preferring to just rent a few flicks, stay in and order some food which is a Hell of a lot less expensive then blowing $50 bucks on a movie that might be a piece of shit and if Hollywood keeps pumping out such fucking garbage then do you think that anyone will waste their time going to a theatre let alone give them repeated business? I don’t know why I bother trying to convey all of this information as you probably don’t give a fuck just as long as Hollywood keeps shoveling eye candy in front of you to lap up while budgets get higher, the studio’s become less inclined to take risks and North American cinema is reduced to nothing but expensive popcorn flicks for slack jawed morons.
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There's some serious talent trying VERY HARD to make something VERY exceptional. I agree if the story is not up to par, then it's a mere technical exercise . But Cameron is no Bay, or Lucas for that matter. Jim seems to have a deeper understanding of entertainment.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:22:47 PM CDT
Floating Islands Were In The 1980 Version Of Flash Gordon
by media messiah
War Craft ripped-off the idea from that--so it is not original to War Craft!!!
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Even given all the cgi work and the sci-fi and all that Cameron is first and foremost a great storyteller, as kick-ass as his action is, and it always is, there's always something extra-awesome in what Cameron does. There are some actors that just never, and I mean NEVER, phone it in, like Ray Liotta. Cameron as a director never phones it in and this movie will be great, no doubt in my mind.
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They make me vomit!
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Damn, you guys sure are some picky ass bitches.
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I'm just picking at the shoddy CGI and the blatant rip off of Nagrand in Warcraft. I know JC knows how to tell a story and he's very adept at shooting kick ass action sequences minus the shaky cam. But nothing depicted in this trailer will change anything in cinema as promised. I still believe this will be a good movie, the effects are just depressing that's all.
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RIGHT?
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Aug 20, 2009 7:24:20 PM CDT
Sackratte, CAMERON IS DELIVERING A PG-13 SCI-FI WAR EPIC.....
by carlthormark1978
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RIGHT?
Holy yikes.
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every trailer needs good background music.. this was pretty good, not sure about the movie but I think the score will rock
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! AVATARIFFIC!!!!
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Aug 20, 2009 7:25:45 PM CDT
If I use my glasses from 'Up', will it look all 3D and shit?
by azultool
jk. Hahahahahaha...No, seriously will it?
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Aug 20, 2009 7:27:15 PM CDT
KOYAA - DOESN'T MORI KNOW BY NOW THIS IS HOW THE INTERNET WORKS?
by bringingsexyback
James Cameron is Nancy Kerrigan and we are Tonya Hardings.
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Okay, first, the person who listed Starship Troopers as a movie with better CGI has to be blind. That movies graphics, while not horrible, are OK at best. Avatar from this 1.5 minutes of random shots has already shown a huge advancement in FX work. Also the Final Fantasy claims are laughable too. That movies CGI was lame as fuck!
Bouncy X, you really don't understand why people get excited for individual artists work? I feel sorry for you then. Don't you have any favorite bands, which you look forward to hearing new music from? It's the same with a director. If one is known to put out good work, why shouldn't people be excited by their new offerings? Many artists offer unique style, vision, and direction to their work, which makes them always worth checking out. While I agree it's not guaranteed that good directors will deliver or bad directors won't, there is usually a fine line between the work of each.
One more thing, are people really making conclusions about Avatar based on this little footage? And you compare it to the Star Wars prequels like it's a bad thing. Those movies sucked not because of FX, but because of acting, story, and Jar Jar Binks. If they were actually good movies, these comparisons to the visuals would be welcomed. And for the record, they are much better than the prequels. -
Aug 20, 2009 7:28:34 PM CDT
Wii SPORTS RESORT IS FUCKING MY EYEBALLS PRETTY GOOD
by bringingsexyback
That shit is funner than a motherfucker.
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I thought those bugs were for real!
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I'm confused.
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The floating islands depicted in that trailer for instance has a big green floating island in the middle, with 4 satellite islands surrounding it. The composition of the colors used are also strikingly similar to those used in Nagrand/Warcraft.
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...but I hold to my statement. This place is an echo chamber sometimes, especially regarding "hype." People have been knocking this for months now for not showing any advance footage... but somehow it's already "overhyped," though we've only seen about a minute of actual video. It seems that it's more of a game of "gotcha" for talkbackers to look for any possible chance to shit on directors that dare to speak highly of their own work in public (or even when its someone who's not even involved in the production who has seen it.) Sure, that's what happens around here, but when it gets surreal like this TB, people need to be called on their bullshit. And from what I can see from this teaser, Cameron is not the one espousing bullshit in regards to unreasonable expectations for this movie, it's the "fans" here.
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Why the obsession with counting beans? You actually CARE how much these assinine studios pay for their flicks? Why SHOULD Cameron care, you're correct on one thing, he obviously doesn't give a crap how much money he spends to bring his "vision" to the screen and you know what? that's the most enviable position a director could find themselves in and I hope he wipes his ass with $5 a square studio paper and tips his lighting guys Porche's on the studios dimes because they are sitting on a mountain of money thanks to Cameron's "egomania". You're so much more brilliant than everyone else here yet you blame Cameron for the price of popcorn? You are stupid as HELL if you buy theater popcorn and then bitch about it at all.
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I love Pixar. But when filmmakers attempt to wed live-action storytelling with CGI characters, it doesn't work. It looks fake. And kills any chance of falling into the story. Of forgetting you're watching a movie. And it's just plain heartbreaking.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:34:13 PM CDT
IT JUST LOOKS BAD ASS, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I GURANTEE YOU IM IN
by jbsteed13
IT JUST LOOKS BAD ASS, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I GURANTEE YOU IM IN THE TOP 1% WHO HAVE FOLLOWED, READ, AND WAITED ON THIS MOVIE
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Aug 20, 2009 7:34:24 PM CDT
IT JUST LOOKS BAD ASS, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I GURANTEE YOU IM IN
by jbsteed13
IT JUST LOOKS BAD ASS, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I GURANTEE YOU IM IN THE TOP 1% WHO HAVE FOLLOWED, READ, AND WAITED ON THIS MOVIE
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Im pretty sure the movie 100% CGI I think counts out the green screen stuff and I thought this movies budget is 200 mill.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:35:40 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack, I COINED THE EYEBALL FUCKING MEME IN 07......
by carlthormark1978
He's just been repeating it for the last two years. I now regret ever coming up with that phrase. Forgive me.
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Fuck is wrong with you.
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I forgive ya.
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...would change movies forever? Do you also get disappointed when your Whopper doesn't look like the one in the commercial? Do you really think that stripper wanted to fuck you?
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and here comes the eternal whiner of all whiners, Moriarty, to fight back against those wretched talk-backers and their damning opinions! This all coming from the guy who uses an avatar of a skinny twig while he himself does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to cut back on the fat swarming around his gut. sigh. you know, look at Harry and Moriarty, two people who don't have a single care about improving their own bodies and health chiming in on how others should behave and think. um, no thanks. good riddance to you, fat sir, enjoy your sinking ship.
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...who hate on the people who hate on the haters are a bunch of fucking assholes. And don't you dare hate on me for hating on the people who hate on the people who hate on the haters.
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You can look at the money spent in different ways. 1) He would not be getting the huge budgets unless his films produced profits - big profits. 2) He is helping the economy by spending! - Ok I am being facetious, but the point is Cameron -love him or hate him, makes money. And that will be the ultimate deciding factor.
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He's just big boned. I love Mori, but if the bandwagon goes after him, I'll kneecap him. That's how the cookie drops.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:44:05 PM CDT
WITH ALL HIS BILLIONS JC COULD HAVE HELPED THE DOLPHINS
by bringingsexyback
Instead he fucked around a sunken ship.
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It all looks eerily similar to what I envisioned while reading the scriptment years ago, only with a bit more color to it. (Too much for my taste actually. Too cartoonish.) And if the core story is as naive/lame as that rudimentary love thing plus ethno-enviropop originally written down in the scriptment, the film will be a disappointment. Cameron's scriptment plot was simulated archetype, mediocre, environment/culture/morals etc. plus the usual Aliens/Marines tech, coupled with his newfound love of nature and the unexplored. I fear this film is just Cameron fap. I hope there were some serious rewrites or additions, but I doubt it, because the trailer covers most of the major sequences in the scriptment. The CGI is quite good at times, not stunning or convincing or revolutionary, but okay. Problem is it's still CGI. The trailer itself is excellent. Great vibe, thanks to the music. But a good trailer and only decent CGI without a fascinating and novel plot will not sell this movie for me. Expectations are low now, really low.
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Are you BrainRobot by any chance?
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But he didn't bring up body odor so I let it go.
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absolutely not, i have never used another id on AICN besides Kapowski.
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Smart move, son.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:51:35 PM CDT
I hope the story sucks me in cos the CGI sure wont.
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
Gollum shits all over the Nav'i in terms of photorealistic. So does Davy Jones come to think of it.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:52:24 PM CDT
MICHAEL JACKSON SPENT $30 MILLION ON THE SCREAM VIDEO
by bringingsexyback
Neil Blomkamp coulda done it for him for $18.98!
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I just went straight to the French version coz I know FOR SURE that Apple's shit is not together...
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He did not mention the smell, then again, he would not do that because that would surely bring down the wrath of DocP.
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CarlThor said: "Cameron has lost touch and doesn’t understand that the average person isn’t going to spend 20 to 25 dollars to go see a movie not even including transportation costs and confectionary items such as popcorn, drinks and candy. With that in mind your talking about $50 just for one person to go see a movie."CarlThor, where the hell are you going to see movies? My theater charges $11 bucks, and I don't even pay that since I pick up AMC ticket coupons from Costco whenever I go shopping (which cuts the ticket price down to 8 bucks). Then I go in and grab some popcorn for another 5, making it 13 or so total. So where the hell are you getting FIFTY from? Even if you factor in transportation costs, how much gas are you using to get to your theater? What, do you live on a farm where you have to drive for hours and have to tank up once or twice to reach a theater? Seriously, I can't imagine how you added things up and it would cost 50 bucks -- PER SINGLE PERSON -- to go to a movie.As for the money involved, Cameron himself...back when he was making TRUE LIES and that was costing $100 million...said it best in PREMIERE Magazine. When asked about the money he was spending, he basically replied "What the fuck do you care? If you're the exec who greenlit the project and your job is on the line, maybe you could be worried since you would have a vested interest. But if you're just an average person coming to see the movie, why should you give a shit how much I spend? The ticket price that you're paying to see my $100 million movie is the same price you'd pay to go see someone else's $20 million movie. So the way I see it, you're getting more bang for your buck by coming to see MY movie."
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Super epic. The music is insane. Can't wait!!!
Funny as we were like wooowwww. And didn't even mention the CG. Come on to talkback and you guys are OBSESSED with the fucking CG. get over it! Verrry hard to please.
James Cameron, brings you an original (no reboot, remake, adaptation etc) sci-fi film set on an alien planet, with crazy last of the mohican style clans and bad ass mechs.... in a trailer cut without stupid "Mr Voice" and lame "Cue Epic Choir Music"... and you guys still are filled with hate. What the fuck do you actually enjoy?? -
I will take you at your word, but do not be surprised if your talking about Mori's weight does not bring more TB'ers questioning your past.
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Aug 20, 2009 7:57:12 PM CDT
District 9 looked better/more realistic for what, 1/8 the cost?
by takeiteasymon
I didn't for a second get any sense of realism from nearly any of those images. Maybe in 3d it will feel different, i dunno.
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for space travel and interplanetary war but wheelcars are still the same??
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...who seem offended that talkbackers aren't blown away by an interesting and okay-looking action movie trailer.
The blame lies with the hypers: THIS IS GONNA BE, LIKE, THA BESTEST THING EVAH! BETTER THAN SEX WITH A SUPERMODEL! MOVIES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!
Actually, no, it looks like a decent action-fantasy CGI movie that may be fun to see around the holidays. That is all. Anything else is just nonsense hype. -
...nobody on this TB posted "FIRST!" Talkback gets a cookie!
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But as D9 proved, the greatness of a movie hinges on the characterization, story, and acting. If JC delivers on that front, he will be king again. If not, we're harvesting his kneecaps.
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Her novella "The Word for World is Forest" came out long before "Dances with Wolves" was written.
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....that Neverending Story looked more realistic..... I for one, am sadly disappointed.
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Looks like a cartoon to me. Fucking Otaku are ruining fandom. Where's the Disney Black Princess movie talkback if watching cartoons is cool?
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It still looks fucking AWESOME! Hopefully even better in 3D on the BIG ass screen. Hell yeah. I'm excited!
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Ebonic, first of all, I think you're right. People just got TOO carried away with whatever hype they self-generated in their heads over this thing or even over the 3D technology. That said, I liked the trailer alot. I think it looks fun, and Cameron's movies always have to be taken as a whole. What I mean is, you have to watch it and take in the whole movie from start to finish to see how it tastes -- and usually it tastes like a perfectly cooked steak. I bet by the time we see this thing and have actually sat through it, most people around here - yes, even the trailer naysayers -- will change their tune and be saying "Hey, that was pretty fucking cool. I had a good time."As for your other comments -- no, I don't get disappointed when my Whopper doesn't look like the one in the commercial. Then again, I love Whoppers and they usually taste pretty damn good no matter how they look. And did I really think that stripper wanted to fuck me? Well, I guess she did since she was the one who scribbled down her phone number and asked ME out, and after our first date took me back to HER place! Wa-hoooo!!!
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Or did the "Tron Legacy" test footage look better?
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Don't you agree?
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They're the reason we need healthcare reform.
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The Bugs in STARSHIP TROOPERS rocked. That was some truly fucking excellent SFX work, no matter what you think about the rest of the movie. In fact, that CGI work is still better than alot of shit done today. The crew that put together STARSHIP TROOPERS did themselves proud.
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I dont really understand people moaning about the cgi. People are saying its cartoony and not photo realistic but its showing us a world that looks nothing like ours so you have to have a small element of suspension of disbelief. Ive watched the 1080p trailer quite a few times on my 32 ince tv thru my ps3 and ive gotta say it's definitely a big step forward in my opinion. It will take time to get to the level of realism that alot of people are hoping for but give them a break. Alot of innovative people are out there pushing the boundaries trying to get us there. Im more concerned that the story,acting,pacing,structure and script are high standard but from what ive seen the special effects seem fine.
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at least it's not a remake, reboot, sequel, prequel or reimagining. It's just an original blend of Phantom Menace and FernGully.
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I caught UP in 3D, and although the film itself was expensive, wearing the 3D shades over my regular eye glasses was not a comfortable experience I'd like to duplicate, not to mention that headache I had afterwards.
So, yeah, I'll watch this supposed awesomeness of Cameron's in a low tech 2D theater. -
Aug 20, 2009 8:12:10 PM CDT
THE BUGS WERE AWESOME BUT VERHOEVEN'S CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT
by bringingsexyback
was getting a good perf out of Casper Van Dien. He really made you want to be a good citizen!
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quamb wrote: "What the fuck do you actually enjoy??"
I enjoy realism, film as its own reality, not as a simulation of something else. The alien world depicted in this film Avatar doesn't feel real—not from what we're seeing in the trailer. -
—FOX wouldn't approve of a budget in that range—not without partners. And, there's no mention of any partners on the film.
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...although UP was that too ($15 for a 3D ticket???). I meant, the movie itself was great.
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That totally ruined the trailer - pointed out many times above, they have mega-futuristic technology to project into avatars but they haven't figured out how to cure paralysis? Why not just put him in Capt. Pike's thing so he can move forwards and backwards (slightly).
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That sucks that you don't do well with the 3D shades, because I have a feeling watching this movie in 2D will be a lot like watching a movie in pan & scan: just not the way the director wanted it to look...and something is definitely missing.
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... Like Outlands in World of Warcraft. Maybe the Na'vi can only access them with their epic flying mounts.
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This would have been its retarded child that everyone patted on the head because he didnt shit himself today.
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The practicals from ALIENS were immensely more satisfying and convincing than the CGI spaceships and CGI "walkin' robot" dude unloading the ship. That "walkin' robot" looked a lot worse than a new-style Cylon Centurion. [And those looked pretty bad, if we're going to be honest.] The guy above who said, "It only looks fake because he did the total environment in CGI" well - whose fault is that?
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December can't get here soon enough, but at least I'll be in the Avatar Day screening tomorrow. Yeah!
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—the ones that have done a 16 hour day matchmoving and go to bed snuggled up with the latest Cinefex?Can any of you please bring a context to these folks?
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I'm sneaking in. You guys keep those glasses, right? I have a pile of them.
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"The Bugs in STARSHIP TROOPERS rocked. That was some truly fucking excellent SFX work, no matter what you think about the rest of the movie. In fact, that CGI work is still better than alot of shit done today. The crew that put together STARSHIP TROOPERS did themselves proud."
ABSOLUTELY.
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Aug 20, 2009 8:17:40 PM CDT
I'M SAD THAT MICHAEL JACKSON DIDN'T LIVE TO SEE THIS
by bringingsexyback
He woulda enjoyed it. RIP KOP!
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I have friends who took their kids to Ice Age 3D, who also mentioned cases of migraines afterward. I think studios latching onto this tech as a savior of theater profits are overestimating its potential.
It isn't for everyone. I'll go back to 3D when we have holograms in theaters. -
Starship Troopers SFX kicked ass and still holds up today! I love that scene where the "spider" bug breaches the wall and skewers the trooper in mid air as he's jumping. Classic!
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Depends. If the projectors are top-notch, well maintained and perfectly aligned, 3D is great. No headaches. It's not the studios. The theater owners just don't give a damn.
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I can't vouch for the movie, I was just commenting on what was shown @ Comic Con. Are you going to see the "freebie" tomorrow?. I'm not, I hop somehow it gets put online, just to see if it's different that what was already shown. If you are I'm interested in your thoughts.I'm sure that tomorrow evening there will be another TB, that should be interesting.FP FOREVER!
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"The reason your brain is quicker to accept those other creatures you mentioned is that they are LESS human than the Na'vi and thus you have fewer points of reference to compare them to. The more human something looks, the harder it is to trick us, because we see and interact with humans every day."
Absolutely.
"...who hate on the people who hate on the haters are a bunch of fucking assholes. And don't you dare hate on me for hating on the people who hate on the people who hate on the haters."
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I'm sure it's the theater owners; not to sound like an old fart, because I'm not (30-ish), but most theaters employ 15-year olds who don't really want to be there. Not too sure about the projection booths, but I wouldn't doubt if 'Kelly' or 'Justin' from the local High School are manning the projectors.
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You got me, James. I'm in.
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...jumping all over Cameron, like he started the whole "fucking your eyeballs" thing. That was the fans if I'm not mistaken. Cameron said to keep your expectations in check. He's a competent filmmaker. Fuck internet hype and fanboys alike.
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Fair enough. Each to his own.
Personally I don't care if a film is in black & white 16mm, or CG animation. As long as it's, you know, a good film. Regardless. And this to me looks amazing... and can only imagine how excited I'd be if I was a kid.
Though I guess this is AICN. And it's expected for folk here to pick up on the geek side of things (the CG).
Also, re: the bugs in Starship Troopers or District 9. If one had an actual clue, you'd understand that it's far easier to render a bug, then an emoting living humanoid creature ala Gollum. -
When we were discussing the New Moon trailer? We could've used more hatred on that blog instead of this one....
I think this movie will be epic and beautiful !!! Since when do we care more about CGI than the story? I was pretty blown away by the trailer and I personally can't wait to see it....
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That's the problem!
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Than worrying about how good this movie will be.
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hey there burger king and terminator fans...please like my filmi tried to kiss the ring of cameron but all i got was cock...have you heard my idea for Terminator 5: the secret of the ooze?
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I had no interest in doing that. I want to see the whole thing in December. Robby Rules!
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You know, you are definitely not the first person who's said this to me. I personally have not had a problem with headaches from a 3D movie since my dad took me to see SPACE HUNTER: ADVENTURES IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE back when I was a kid...lol...
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I haven't been paying attention to any spoilers if there are any. But I'm assuming most other people who watch that trailer aren't going to know anything going in either. And now that I've watched it I still don't know what it is. So I'm going to go see it based on the idea that it's a James Cameron movie, but I didn't need a trailer for that. How does it look? I think it looks mediocre. I think most of the effects driven movies we've seen the last few years have had questionable effects. Stuff I don't expect to see in 2009 and yet I still do. Right now, those blue guys don't look good enough. If they fix it fine but not the way it is now. I suppose I could like the people part of the movie and not the blue guys part. But I don't know how much real people there is gonna be so...(I just looked up the wiki and that didn't help.)
So I'll go see it on December 18th just like I would have if I was informed the day before that there was a James Cameron movie coming out tomorrow. Truth be told I think I like the fake Avatar trailer better. -
been saying it all along...its alot easier to say a film sucks these days and never be "proven wrong"...if the haters end up liking the film they wont say a fucking word to "save face"to me, i think they are a bunch of whiny bitches...
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It does not alter my thinking though - as long as the story is good, I do not care if it looks like a live action/animated mash up.
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You just compared the Cloverfield hype, to the Avatar hype. You have shit for brains.
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SOMEONE in there somewhere said that Cameron hasn't promised photo-realism, whereas I earlier said it bugs me that he's making empty promises. Good enough for me; so he's not making empty promises, and I bet this will be very impressive in 3D. BUT, I am buying CarlThorMark1978's megalomania theory. I've heard some nasty horror stories about James Cameron sets. www.agenesisfound.com
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and they are right. Too much blue in that trailer. Blue, blue, blue...Hopefully there are more colors in the full length movie. ; )
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Aug 20, 2009 8:34:28 PM CDT
this is exciting, but INGLORIOUS BASTERDS...
by millajovovichsarmpitsmell
opens tomorrow!! thats the shit!! im seeing the first show!!
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And I'm getting a good dose of drama from RHW Atlanta right the fuck now!
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Have to defend themselves anyways?
It's called entertainment people...if you no like what you see....please don't go so I can get a better seat ..... Thank you !! -
THAT was a teaser trailer!
Still, Avatar looks pretty good. Can't understand all the negativity here. Give it a chance, guys. Let the movie come out before you start pontificating. I for one can't wait for December! -
I feel about this movie. I'm not going to talk ill about it anymore. I've watched the trailer many, many times. I think the wait made us all a little cranky and it's impossible to match expectations most of the time. Yeah theres a few scenes in here that need a little more love/fixing, but the film looks to be about as pure escape as you will ever find.
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Too much! Of course people will disappointed. Jesus, the haters have backlashed already on 1 minute snippet. No charater developement or plot has really been shown. No performances to judge from, yet people are saying "cameron has gone lucas on us!!" Gimme a fucking break. I can't wait to see what Cameron delivers in it's entirety.
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Aug 20, 2009 8:39:12 PM CDT
Also, filmmakers have got to remember that games exist.
by fluffyunbound
It's like they're trying to pretend they don't. That means that if you are creating a CGI world, you must ABSOLUTELY REFRAIN from giving us lingering wide shots that are going for "wonder", because the audience won't think "wow", they'll think "cut scene between levels". Cameron would have been well served to listen to some of the criticism leveled at Lucas for his environments. Sorry, filmmakers, but games have ruined CGI wide shots and you just can't use them any more. If you want to show off your world to us, you have to do it incidentally, through the action itself and the backgrounds behind your characters. Even if the shots in the trailer are the ONLY "Hey look at my floating islands" shots, there are already too many.
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no ones really said how creepy real the clothing looks from sullys torn shirt to the Naiv'i's hemp like dressings and the feathers. Leathers pretty easy to replicate but cloth and feathers are not.
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no ones really said how creepy real the clothing looks from sullys torn shirt to the Naiv'i's hemp like dressings and the feathers. Leathers pretty easy to replicate but cloth and feathers are not.
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It's "Hi Pizza Hut and Terminator fans"
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You do not understand movies. Movies are realistic; they never have been and they are not supposed to be. Films present a heightened reality. I certainly don't want to see a "realistic" movie about giant blue space-cats. Who the fuck even knows what that is. If anyone says that the Na'vi aren't realistic they are basically saying they've seen one in real life and the CG versions don't compare. These people are liars by default and should not be trusted.
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Aug 20, 2009 8:41:45 PM CDT
I WENT INTO TITANIC WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT
by bringingsexyback
And I thoroughly enjoyed it. I hope it will be the same with this.
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Was fucking hot. I want an alien like that to abduct me and make sweet love to my penis.
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movies *aren't* realistic
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This trailer is FUCKING DISTRACTING!
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"Movies are realistic; they never have been and they are not supposed to be. Films present a heightened reality. I certainly don't want to see a "realistic" movie about giant blue space-cats." If these giant blue space cats looked as good in CGI as Chewbacca looked in man-in-suit over thirty years ago, no one would be complaining. That's the dice roll the filmmaker makes with CGI, and when that dice roll comes up craps the filmmaker loses big. Even if it's James Cameron.
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and wet nightmares of blue space cats. Cameron did craft a cutie.
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just kidding
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however, bad CGI or bad CGI blending can take you right out of a movie. It's very hard to suspend your disbelief when that happens. Do you know what I mean?
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Look at the aliens in 'Aliens'. Were they based on anything real? No. Did they look like they actually existed and were sharing an environment with real actors? Yes. Do you see the difference?
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I can see it on Broadway two years from now.
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At the end of the day it all comes down to taste. If you don't like the look that's fine. But to say the CG is not successful and believable is retarded. And the purpose of CG is to do stuff that is totally impossible physically. When you look at Chewbacca you think "Man that's a cool lookin' alien, I could make a costume and do that easily! I'll just make a fur suit!" There is no way to make a working, physical 10 foot tall Na'vi suit capable of all the expression you need out of a main character. And I say they do look as good as Chewbacca did 30 years ago. It's just a completely different visual aesthetic.
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No no no... I was talking about the OTHER stripper. The hot one. Do I have to write J/K here now? Cheers, buddy.
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As far as the Alien films, the reason the first one worked so well was because they almost never showed the alien in full and never for more than a few seconds at a time. Does anybody know why? Why of course! It's because if we saw a full on 2 minute shot of a man in a suit we would not be frightened and the movie would be a laughable piece of shit instead of the masterpiece it is.
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Alien sexist comments - you never know who's blogging...
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Is anybody who was genuinely interested in seeing this film going to miss it now due to this trailer? if not SHUT THE FUCK UP AND QUIT YOUR BELLYACHING. jesus christ
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i wonder if he's a natural enemy of NaviCats.
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All the people you are quoting saw it in 3D in a screening room, not in 2D on a computer monitor, high-def or not.
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bout to leave....too bad !
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Most of you "fanboys" have become so jaded that you can't begin to see how amazing this movie looks. Go back and watch the footage, forget about all the bullshit video games you've played and the documentaries on CGI that you've watched and just take it all in. This movie will be a classic.
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And they all looked pretty awesome.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:01:07 PM CDT
But I will say the colors aren't as bad as people claimed.
by fluffyunbound
I read the talkback before watching the trailer, and when I read all the comments about the colors I was afraid that Cameron had gone all "Speed Racer" on us. I don't think the colors are offensively bad or off putting in a "Speed Racer" way, they're just very PS2 ish. If anything, the real problem is that the colors aren't alien ENOUGH.
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Okay guys, here's the canary in the coal mine. After work I showed this to my wife. She knows nothing about Avatar, hasn't been exposed to any of the hype, knows nothing about "eyeball fucking". I simply told her that there was a trailer I wanted her to see, not giving any feedback pro or con. She watched it in silence and when it stopped she looked at me and said, and this is an exact quote: "Looks like a video game". Ouch. There you have it, the reaction of someone outside fandom, without any preconceived notions or prejudice. Looks like a video game. Fox is fucked on this, unless it looks amazingly different in 3D (and it well might, who knows), they have bought a $300 lemon. I just got chills when she said that. The canary in the coalmine died. Everyone needs to clear out now. Sorry.
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Go back and watch Cameron's film. He does the same thing Scott did. You do see a lot of them but you rarely see a whole body shot of one and it's never in direct vision for more than a handful seconds. Do it. Watch it again.
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I think I can already tell what the story is. Wheelchair guy gets alien avatar body to I guess spy/explore/exploit the native aliens (basically tall blue elfin Native Americans) only to go all Dances With Wolves on his human bosses and there is much action adventuring in a world designed by artists who either contributed to or worshipped the art from SPECTRUM. That's not exactly bad though, just, well, possibly not going to impress those who want to rip apart Cameron, who by all accounts has it coming even if his movie is pretty good. I've long felt Cameron's follow up to Titanic would be trashed and receive mostly venom. I thought maybe 10 years was enough to silence the mindless backlash, but it looks like it wasn't. Oh well, hope no one gets hit in the crossfire. I still have yet to see why Worthington is the it-boy of genre projects. He's like Orlando Bloom without the LOTR or PotC credits.
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"As far as the Alien films, the reason the first one worked so well was because they almost never showed the alien in full and never for more than a few seconds at a time. Does anybody know why? Why of course! It's because if we saw a full on 2 minute shot of a man in a suit we would not be frightened and the movie would be a laughable piece of shit instead of the masterpiece it is."
This.
THE THING is the same way: Carpenter flat out says that the reason the effects worked so sell is because he shot many of the scenes in a dark, "atmosoheric" way, which worked to not only make the story play better visually, but also served to hide the effects flaws. He talks about how, when he walked into the fx studio and saw some of the props in good lighting, he thought "Oh shit...this will NEVER work..."
Spielberg says the same things about the first JP.
Shit, think about ALIENS. How many shots did you see an alien full-on, with no shadows or smoke, etc.? Not many.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:03:42 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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yu've said your piece now move the fuck on..."you were right..ok"fuck off from this thread and enjoy christmas carol.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:04:03 PM CDT
IN THE FUTURE THEY WEAR TIES BUT CAN'T FIX CRIPPLES?!?
by carlthormark1978
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...as long as Cameron tells a good story, I can forgive a great deal regarding the photorealism of the special effects. Just seeing the creatures and the environments, this project looks crazy, unique, and interesting. So consider me intrigued. I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Kudos the Cameron for having the balls to try something so bizarro.
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So that's one "outsider" opinion. Here's another: I showed my girlfriend the trailer after I got home, same as you showed your wife. Her reaction? "Looks pretty epic."
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Sorry to hear that mate. Showed it to my girlfriend and when it finished she said "Wow!".
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My girlfriend said it looks like a video game too. I hope they fix the look. I actually like the look though.
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Look at what hating on the haters has wrought.Were it not for all the hating on the haters, IMHO there'd be much more substantive AVATAR discussion and comments.
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...but when I was watching the trailer, I thought, "Wait, in the future, we can travel to other planets, download our minds to alien avatars, and yet poor sons of bitches are still rolling around in wheelchairs? What's up with that? With all the great tech, I'm sure doctors could fix a piddly little spinal cord injury.
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Are you hating on me for hating on the people who hate on the people who hate on the haters? I warned you people...
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So what you're saying is that Cameron should have applied that train of thought to the Nav'i? You know, I think you might be onto something.
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that looks great!
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The dropship in Aliens looks ten times more realistic than its Avatar counterparts.
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all over it.
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That's a good point.
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Remember the scene when Lenny gives his crippled friend a Squidvid so he can feel the sensation of running on the beach?
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... it's about time for a massive epic sci-fi movie, the haters can stay in the slums of Joberg with your D-9 and whatnot, im going to Pandora and for the record Lockesbrokenleg your a fucking idiot, you change your opinion about a movie in one TB more than I bang your wife in a year
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shut down the internet for the next 100 years please and see how the world would look like.
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It would be SUPPOSED to look like a cartoon.
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Listen people
where the fuck is your faith?
this is james cameron
the creator of Aliens
of The Terminator
of Titanic
my first reaction was disappointment
i admit
and i watched
and re-watched it
over and over
in 1080P
in 720P
I tried to remind myself it would be in 3D
and i could not shake
that i don't like cartoons
and i don't like CGI
but
then i remembered
that
i trust Cameron
I trusted him when i waited that year and a half for Titanic and Hollywood was ripping him to shreds
and after i saw it
i knew
i wouldn't doubt him again
so
ill stay open
for him
one of the few
mighty directors
alive today
that
instill in me
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And you know that Cameron will give a good show. Stop whining.
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people would have to go back to jerking off while looking at magazines
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Aug 20, 2009 9:23:45 PM CDT
SAY, DOCTOR, COULD YOU FIX MY LEGS AND GIVE ME A HUGE COCK?
by carlthormark1978
"Sorry son but I'm a scientist, not a miracle worker".
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Okay. I'm not supposed to decide if this movie sucks or is awesome from this trailer because it's just 90 minutes. Alright. What am I supposed to take away from it then? What's the point? And on what basis do you insist that it will be awesome if not by this trailer?
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Although I'm not a hater of AVATAR, and I do think it's getting a bum-rap, I do love the community and the insanity. I bet Mori is over at Hit Fix right now shaking his head. And according to Twitter, Harry is fucking baffled. AICN, you created this mess, you encouraged this community and we are goin to rise up and eat your babies one at a time. Fuck yeah.
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Well I'm not huge into CGI, I believe models still look more realistic and to make non CGI aliens look realistic it's near impossible but with that being said I thought this looked fantastic, I am a huge cameron fan but didn't have retarded expectations. To me this looked like something I dreamed of seeing when I would read heavey metal magazine. All you haters will see this anyways, you know it. I for one, can't wait.
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No way...lol...
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...you'd think that, you know, since there are obviously apparent huge advances in robot tech, as we can see from the loading dock scene, the Worthington character would just be rocking in one of those, or a cool, multi-capable hover chair. But a fucking 2009-based WHEELchair?
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I agree...I have been posting on here for a few years...lurking for many more...and this is by far the most fun I have had on this site EVA. The only thing that comes close was when fuckers were trying to convince people that CLOVERFIELD was going to be the VOLTRON movie..."I saw it, it's a lion, it's huge"...lol...
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...well there is a "but" somewhere to refute your point.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:31:36 PM CDT
The fake planet on that Discovery Channel show looked better.
by fluffyunbound
You know, the one where they had those flying things with giant spikes for heads and they would fly down and spike shit. That was a more convincing alien environment than this.
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.. unimpressed. It felt like a video game trailer... an uninteresting one at that. I am saddened, I had very high expectations.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:34:37 PM CDT
THEY SHOULD'VE JUST PAINTED ZOE SALDANA AND HAD HER NAKED!!!
by carlthormark1978
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I'm no hater who hates on haters who hate haters. I'm too amused.Word of advice, though. You need to trademark your line right now at www.uspto.gov and hire a trademark lawyer first thing in the morning or you'll be hating on yourself for letting some brain robber steal it from you.
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it looks better then good, but it still looks like a CG film.
I cant wait but anyone who is dissapointeded or angry (god knows what deep seeded issues they have) has know one to blaim but themselves for building this up to be MORE then a movie.
Also we know its intended for 3D IMAX so none of us can really say until we see that.
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She said it looks like a video game, so can we assume she doesn't like video games or science fiction movies? Personaly, the FX don't matter to me. Ever since I was a kid and saw the original King Kong, I realized the story and characters are what I enjoyed and Kong could have been made of dog turd and he would still be incredible. The idea of cutting a trailer with only a few spoken words and telling the story through pictures is pure film making. The first shot of the eyes opening says "Fade In:" and more. Avatar is not for everyone, but neither is wine. The Canary didn't die, take a closer look and you might find it's actually an Eagle looking you in the eye.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:37:29 PM CDT
I'M SURPRISED THAT WORTHINGTON ISN'T DRAGGING HIMSELF ON THE GRO
by carlthormark1978
That would make it even more understandable when he turns against his fellow humans for the love of a Thundersmurf!
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i thought i was the only one who had seen that horrible discovery show- all the alien species had dumb names like turbo-shark and hyper-weasel, right?
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TRUST ME it TOTALLY redeems the film from its fairly average looking teaser. The N'avi are so much more engaging and real when seen in 3D and in context. Facial motion is particularly impressive! The film looks very intense... now we just have to wait till December to see whether the story comes through... and is as engaging as we've come to expect from Cameron.
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Best thing about it is the Mechs
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OK, here's the deal. James Cameron got his friends together and got these big-to-middle names to swear on their Own Soul Bible that this movie was a "game-changer" and that the visuals would "revolutionize the universe." Those of us who knew better - who understood that these were people doing a favor for a friend - said that the reaction was going to be like this - and that Cameron had a giant turkey on his hands - about half a year ago when word of the FERNGULLY plot and POCAHONTAS romance came into the picture.We knew this was not going to be an all-action extravangza like the SlaverFans out there claimed. We knew it was going to be Rated PG-13 For Scenes of Mild Peril, Brief Sensuality and Some Animal Cruelty.We knew that the effects would look less impressive than some video game cut-scenes - and the movie has delivered in the trailer, with a shot so DEEPLY AND PROFOUNDLY unimpressive - Sam Worthington's character coming off a spaceship with a face so obviously not connected to the body that it looks like a PS1 cut-scene - that I actually would not be surprised if the final shot was RERENDERED. I mean, seriously? If someone came to me and showed me that shot for a feature film ... I'm not a director, but even I WOULD CALL IT UNACCEPTABLE WORK. It's just NOT up to even the most rudimentary movie standards. And THIS is the game changer?So don't get on MY case about this movie being worth my time. I shut the lid on this piece of shit as soon as I found out it was going to be a PG-13 romance about a blue Thundercat making out with a guy who's never in any danger because his physical form is safe in a bunker while his "mind" goes FOREVER VOYAGING - only not as compelling as that video game.So don't blame me if I sit back and actually enjoy watching the expectations of those dipshits who made fun of me for saying EVERYTHING THAT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE SO FAR - bad CGI, bad character models, a dearth of ALIENS/TERMINATOR type of Hard-'R' action - crash AND FUCKING BURN. I am getting the revenge that I knew was going to come as soon as I saw the first screen shot of this movie, er cut-scene, er teaser images. I knew it was going to be a terrible, terrible movie ... and the trailer has proved it so. SO ENJOY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING NOW, CAMERON-LICKERS!
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Right, that was the one. But at least the guys who made that said, "What would a completely alien environment be like?" and they have life forms with completely alien structures, body types, and even senses. If he wasn't going to make this truly alien [and obviously he couldn't, not if he wants to film a love story people will actually want to watch] then he shouldn't have made them blue. Alien, yes. Blue, no. The blue is a really bad choice.
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You can see it in the deleted scenes on the DVD. And, yeah, it looks like a dude in a suit.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:55:49 PM CDT
And it's not about impressing anyone. Being Right ...
by thusspakespymunk
... is its own reward.And Harry - why are you shocked? This looks shoddier than XBOX cutscenes.
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The more I see negative comments about color, CGI, smurfs, etc the more I realize how insignificant the comments are. So many of you are obsessed with a subjective detail it's like the old saying "You can't see the forest because of the trees".
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Hold the phone guys. The 2D web based trailer is nothing. You have got to see this stuff in 3D to understand. It totally blew me away. There was a TV crew there and they were interviewing Joe Leteri before we went in and filming the crowds gathering. Then we went in and they were like 'NO CELLPHONES OR CAMERAS' then the movie starts and its James Cameron on screen saying its only stuff from the first half of the movie so no spoilers. The first sequence was live action stuff. But omg the cg stuff was amazing. One where Jake is being chased by a large 4 legged monster but the best was where Jake tries to ride a flying creature for the first time. Jaw droping stuff. Seriously forget the 2D trailer.
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Just think of R2D2: through sound, they turned a tin can into a 3 dimensional character with feelings. Through strings, they turned an almost never seen shark into a malevolent predator. Filmmakers don't pay attention to sound enough when dealing with their creatures.
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Aug 20, 2009 9:57:40 PM CDT
I'D KILL ALL THE NA'VI, CARVE'EM UP, COOK'EM, EAT'EM AND SUCK ON
by carlthormark1978
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Get a grip! lol.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:01:43 PM CDT
YEEEEES HEAD SHOT TIME!! BOOM HEAD SHOT!!! I CAN DANCE ALL DAY!!
by carlthormark1978
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If the first ALIEN had, instead of the creature design they used, a great big blue Thundercat that wanted to eat people, the movie would have failed, no sequels would have been made, Cameron would never have done ALIENS, etc. If instead of Arnold wearing sunglasses, the first TERMINATOR had featured Ron Howard wearing a speedo as the cyborg, none of us would know who James Cameron is because he would have never worked again. Little "subjective details" like that have to be right, or it doesn't fucking matter how good your story is. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:03:07 PM CDT
is sam worthington playing mr mistopholees? if so, why is he blu
by martinlutherkrangjr
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I bet KING KONG would have taken a beating.
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the cat people stuff looks like an awesome movie BY ITSELF. the humans and mechstuff looks like an awesome movie BY ITSELF. But when both are combined, the whole fucking thing falls apart and it's distractingly bad.
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I watched the trailer again, just now - and I realized it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRk1DO37A2M&fIT'S THE SAME FUCKING IMAGERY AND THEMES! LOOKIT THE MYSTERIOUS GIRL! LOOKIT THE WEIRD ANIMALS! An expensive vanity project by a formerly-big director who won all kinds of awards for a signature movie? Yes - it's fucking NA'VI IN THE WATER. And I make this proposal to all of you. I PROPOSE FROM NOW ON WE ALL REFER TO THIS MOVIE - EVERYWHERE, AT ALL TIMES - ... AS ...
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how'd you see it already? it's only friday afternoon in NZ.
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As the Talkbackers say, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!
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dude, you fucked up terminator salvation so bad. go hang out with your friend from sugar ray.
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I dunno about this one...I don't get the same rush I had when I first saw the T2 Trailer.
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It's a teaser trailer, yes, but I loved the last image of the Na'vi. The ships and planetary settings looked intense too, but the final image of their blue-skinned foreheads slowly touching grabbed me the most.
Mostly because I know Cameron will give this relationship weight and meaning as part of a much larger story.
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I can't believe all the hate I'm reading here. It looks absolutely amazing. Give it a chance. All due respect, but you guys are really missing the point. The motion capture effects are spectacular. And the unique story is in the great hands of James Cameron. It's going to be amazing. I just don't understand all the hate. It's going to be an emotionally charged fantasy adventure. It's going to rock!
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I can't believe all the hate I'm reading here. It looks absolutely amazing. Give it a chance. All due respect, but you guys are really missing the point. The motion capture effects are spectacular. And the unique story is in the great hands of James Cameron. It's going to be amazing. I just don't understand all the hate. It's going to be an emotionally charged fantasy adventure. It's going to rock!
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The Alien was a horror villain, Terminator was a villain, both were dark in appearance. The blue skin creatures are not. And he isn't the first to use blue skinned creatures, Arthur C. Clarke mentions them in The Star. Nobody gave him flack over it and it was the foundation for what eventually became 2001 A Space Odyssey.
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Looks great, id do them.
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What were we expecting? Let me show you what I wanted. Here's a list of a few links that, if you combine them, represent what I'd want in a game-changing movie by James Cameron:The Navi would be like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0moGWVGhgMThe action would more closely resemble this (mostly for the last shot) :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyJypw_FUU0The teaser would look more like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nHZ5GIN7xs
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Someone I know who knows next to nothing about this, but has a decent interest in sci fi, fantasy - ie a non-geek, non-internet message board using, open-minded movie-goer - said after watching it that the CGI "looks cartoony".
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Did you just call me McG?
FUUUUUUUCK
YOOOOOOOOU!
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Maybe this will be another one as popular as Titanic. Maybe not a great sci-fi movie, but hugely popular.
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and howls in laughter. Sorry mates, but this looks like a new Final Fantasy eco-sci-fi, boo-hoo preach-fest to me. Jim Cameron is clearly still basking in Oscar's glow, and may have forgotten how to entertain. Heaven's Gate anyone?
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Honestly, Chipmunk, I think you're overreacting. Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, since you're welcome to your opinion, but I think you're being unnecessarily rash and single-minded.
Ok, you think the Na'vi should've looked different. That's fine.
But personally, I like their design, expressions, and movement. I'm surprised by how much I like them, actually, considering all the hype.
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looking movie. Some have said it doesn't tell enough about the movie. So the fuck what! The Legion trailer showed damn near the whole movie I hate that. This is true epic film making on a par with Lord of the Rings.
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...otherwise it seems to be a video game. Zemckis and Cameron: please explain to me why you spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours creating a "photo real human" that looks exactly like the actor being captured? Would common sense not tell you to just film the fuckin' actor (ex: Jolie in Beowulf, Worthington in human parts of Avatar). So far Chris Nolan has done the best job of conservatively mixing CGI with real performances via the Two Face character.
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-Special effects quality is the determining factor for AICN readers when they judge a film.
-The final judgment of a film can be decided from a 1 minute 50 second teaser trailer with 1 line of dialogue.
-The Star Wars prequels are now accepted as great films because they look great.
-A director no longer has the right to believe his/her film looks great and promote it as he/she see's fit. This may cause AICN readers to cry themselves to sleep.
-An AICN poster is not responsible for his/her own expectations for a film. They are helpless victims to the passions and promotions of Hollywood directors.
Any other film school worthy lessons you geniuses have today?
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actors are for the most part giant douchebags, with rare exceptions (Paul Newman, RIP). But yeah, this looks like shitake mushroom poop.
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All we have is the damn short clip. YES most of the opinions will be based on Visuals... DUHHH
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cuz that shit is gonna fly off the shelves once the Furry Fuckers see this shit....James Cameron will be their new God, and Hotels wherever the next Furry convention is held best get ready to bleach the blue dye out of their sheets.
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I love the way Moriarty trots out the "facts" about Avatar's pedigree - as if what Cameron has done in the past or because this isn't a remake somehow trump someone's visceral reaction to watching it. The road to shitty movies is paved with good intentions. I'm not saying this movie's gonna be bad, but Jim Cameron's resume doesn't mean everyone has to be impressed with the trailer. Personally I liked the first couple shots but once those Large-Size Smurfs start moving around like Gumby, the jig is up. It's sadly true that Jar-Jar Binks had better-looking physics than these things. Maybe they'll fix it up ... There is still time. Or hopefully all the other elements will trump the CGI, but I don't recall Cameron being a master of anything but action direction, so I'm not counting on great story/dialogue/acting.
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Go enjoy your moldy remake of Wolfman, while the rest of us enjoy something spectacular and original.
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When the trailer kicked into gear (and away from the boring, too-familiar, plodding human scenes), the first thing that popped into my mind was ELFQUEST. Any chance that someone can turn Cameron or someone else with such budgetary pool into a major Wendy Pini fan? The result could be ten times more interesting than this.
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but I do find it surprising that someone like Cameron is satisfied with it. Some of the key points I'd think he'd look for with the CG characters, like do they emote sufficently, do they realistically interact with objects/people, do the motions "fit" with the voice acting, are the movements natural etc cause some concern. The character visuals might be good enough to keep the audience fixed in the movie experience (esp with 3D) but going by the 2D trailer, it's pretty close...
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No, wait. Let me see if its popular first, and if it is, THEN I'll shit all over it. That way, I can be cool.
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MrNightingale, thank you so much for making those two observations.
So you believe everything you watch on E!, huh? I've got a counter opinion for you: there are lots and lots of non-douchebag actors in Hollywood as well as the rest of the world. In fact, I'd say that most of them AREN'T douchebags, they're normal, friendly, hard-working people who happen to work in an industry you obviously don't understand or give a shit about.
And if you think the "Avatar" teaser looked like shitake mushroom poop (how long d'ya spend thinking up that funny, funny line?) then I question a lot of things about you.
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I mean, it's Cameron, so I know it's going to be a kickass movie. And I also know that I will enjoy it. But after watching that trailer, all I'm seeing is CGI that doesn't look quite believable enough. I hope it'll look more convincing on a larger movie screen as opposed to my 13" laptop.
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We don't judge movies by the quality of special effects. However, when you show me a special effect and dance around saying "YEAAAAH, BITCHES - _GREATEST SPECIAL EFFECTS OF ALLLLLLL TIME_, BITCHES! HAVE A BEER AND CHEET ON YOUR WIFE! THESE ARE THE GREATEST SPECIAL EFFEFTS OF ALLLLLLLLL TIME, BITCHES!" I'm going to judge your effects.
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Trailers are better now? Gimme a break. I thought the Rambo Trailer with the grinding tech music instead of Jerry Goldsmith's theme was and example of the lack of imagination behind trailers. And a fine example of pandering. Luckily the film was better then the trailer. And all the Star Wars prequels had a pretty decent trailers, I thought. Unfortunately they did their job too well and I fell for the tedious movies three out of three times. A good trailer depends solely on those who cut it. I sure as heck cracked up at the post 90's trailer to Swimfan and Midnight Meat Train. So did the rest of the audience. Anyway, I'm just saying, James Cameron's trailers have made me doubt him before, but he always delivers in one way or another. Heck, even the vfx shots in the Terminator and Aliens trailers made me think I was going to be watching cheap movies. And well, they were cheap relatively speaking, BUT they were great examples of story-telling. So, you know, give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Aug 20, 2009 10:53:22 PM CDT
Visual effects quality isn't the sole factor, but it is a factor
by chuck_chuckwalla
We just have higher than normal standards for movies than most of the movie going public who happily plunk down their hard-earned cash for a shitty Adam Sandler movie. Sure, the story of Avatar might be the greatest thing since The Godfather but if the animation looks off, then it's harder to suspend that disbelief that will draw you into that story and that world. If 4 out of 5 people on this talkback express their disappointment or outright rage, then there's obviously something wrong here. I'm a 3-D animator and I know what a bitch it is to do this stuff, but I expect much more from these artist and this filmmaker.
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What would be the point? What would be accomplished? The story isn't that great anyways! Cameron took the visual style and has made a movie. Guys like Spielberg and others won't waste their time doing something that's already been done. Halo is a dream that will never happen.
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But so is the their fire power. They can go to a planet 3-4 light years away, traveling X the speed of light. But still have bullets, and machine guns, and clunky robots. This movie is mixing all times frames in one.
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I hope you all don't understand how amazing this will be so your mind will be blown. I have only predicted one movie to be the greatest moive ever: Titanic and I was right. I am never wrong. This will be the greatest movie ever. You will be blown away. Continue thinking this looks like finding nemo. When you are in the theater you will be shocked at its greatness oh dear internet. Sure they look like nintendo fishees with legs but when you are walking around a world that feels like farcry xbox graphics you will get chills and believe that fish can talk.
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do you get pissed off when someone brings their wife, girlfriend, mother into the mix. Like their opinion its the end all ultimate factor in a judgement/critique... "My girl said it looks like..." "My wife thinks.."
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He wanted to be a cat person?
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My boyfriend couldn't give more of a rat's ass about this movie !
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As I long have suspected it will be.
All flash and no substance, all eye candy. Nice opening weekend, epic dropoff.
Fuck Avatar, and your eyeballs.
This looked better originally, when it was Final Fantasy : Spirits within.
All you suckers that have waited for this can eat a big heaping pile of steaming shit bwwwwah hah hah hah hah. -
70% of girlfriends said "wow"
25% of girlfriends said "epic"
12% of girlfriends said "what the hell do you want for dinner anyways"
10% of girlfriends said "if we go see that I'm dragging you to see New Moon"
8% of girlfriends said "who is that actor?"
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True Lies 2 please.
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bode well for Captain America: TFA.
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Your "element of wonder" was in Star Trek this summer, everyone else got it, whaqt a non-shame you didn't.
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Thomas is that you?? We are actually in agreement on something, that this filom is a cunt of a piece of shit in the making? The world just ended.
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I think it's worthwhile to note what people who don't have an axe to grind one way or another think. It's not that their opinion is the ultimate in any way, it's that a lot of the argument here seems to revolve around being biased pro or con. So I don't mind hearing from someone that hasn't been notified for the past year that their eyeballs would be fucked, etc.
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Sorry, Harry. You helped to build this up into something it clearly isn't. You deserve some of the blowback. It looks kinda interesting. I'll give it a chance, but it doesn't look anything close to revolutionary.
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This is what all the fuss has been about - bad blue CGI characters? This looks like a stinky video game. The Jar-Jar Binks slags are completely on point.
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Wolfie talkback.
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invading the cat people planet?
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Dear ALL - Ive been thinking a lot about this and a comment about the title treatment and production design looking like mid 90’s trends struck me… I owned an ad agency and exec creative directed everything, title treatments, key art, websites, directed commercials, trailers, written scripts bla blah blah but when you are under the creative gun like Cameron puts himself it’s easy to lose sight or burn yourself out… think about.. if you know Cameron hes the definition of perfectionist and beyond, and he can delegate but he knows everyone’s job better than they do at least at it relates to his film so im sure he only had so much jetfuel and so many firing synapses to go around and the one thing I know in creative is its best to collaborate but that means selecting shit hot cadres to help balance out the direction and give you choices… the kicker is you gotta know that going in and or way in advance you have done your homework… what I mean by homework is dug deep down.. way down before and after scripting for your vision… and test the shit out of it to make sure you are not at the cutting edge but at the bleeding edge… that means really mind fucking yourself if you want to break the paradigm… Jim is amazing and where would cinema be without him? He sets the benchmark… aliens recalibrated the concept of genre… hybridized it by stacking genres… action, horror, sci-fi and war… so that said Cameron might have had the best designers, conceptualists in the world but it depends on what his imperative to alter cinematic history was… was it to bend our minds emotionally, physically, visually… was it to stack visual elements to transcend the storytelling with abstract moments that are visually stupendous… kind of like Sunshine tried to do cinematically, please don’t take me literally on that example, the story fucking fell apart too, but that said I think Cameron wanted to make a mythological tale that was a mirror of where we are at now… the wanton destruction of all life and resources on our planet… Cameron loves the sea… it was the inspiration for Pandora… the incandescent realm of inner space you can only experience when diving… colors you can only see and cant replicate… I’ve descended on the same subs thousands of feet down he has , dove the same places and it’s very spiritual…mind blowing… so here on our planet we kill each other, we kill everything, even the 2nd most or maybe more intelligent lifeforms, cetaceans; whales and dolphins we fucking hunt for Jap dog food. See THE COVE… So the heartfelt emotional journey has to resonate with us deep down under our jaded walls and brainwashed capitalistic impulses… to do that the story has to be epic in tone and impact… epic as in ancestoral and superceding our technocratic society… Dances with Wolves did it.. and that movie made me deeply weep… look at D9… all these negative assholes jumped all over it’s shit and it had me at tears, anger, frustration, fear the whole spectrum and I felt a lot of it all at once… it wasn’t soppy spielberg one note ET hit me over the head with a hammer directing… it was complex, conflicting emotions. It was brilliant… but allegorically you can trash D9 the same way this world makes us deny feeling at all… for anyone or anything… even one guy, Jim Cameron, who is human and giving us everything he has got… hes away from his family… he’s tortured and hes wringing himself out to make all of these primadonnas happy… and they aren’t… pathetic… I actually am saddened by the thought of Jim reading this forum because it’s pretty loathsome. He’s not overhyping it… hes passionate and that guys is one the smartest motherfuckers you will ever meet. Think about it… he took years off to recover from Titanic… and he made documentaries about the sea. So whatever he was going through and we know it was something he’s back… and do you guys have any idea how hard it is to stay with the trends, to identify them and then work ahead of them… Ive worked on of creative scores of projects at once and one thing about creative is you never really get what you want… like life its always a fucking compromise… its fucking hard to be prescient and remember… THIS IS FUCKING CRUCIAL he’s making HIS FILM and not YOURS… fucking losers… he is JIM CAMERON AND NOT YOU… go make your film and let’s see what that looks like and you know what if you did.. hey it might suck or it might be great but at least you did it…right? and I would never take that away from you or me or whoever… it’s about the journey… so why take it away form a guy who is doing everything he can as a human and not a god to RESPECT you and the art form… that’s right art form… not consumer fucking product mcdonalds MBA mother fucking assholes who have killed this biz with their corporate, soulless American business bullshit… this guy Jim Cameron is a fucking a hero cause he made those executives his bitches… live and reign long Jim Cameron… at least you are a hero on a truly mythic quest!
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The title treatment sucks but blame the lame excuses for agencies and the marketing pinheads at Fox for that.
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That temp site sucks too!
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example of the hyperbolic rhetoric and unmitigated hypocrisy of small turd like fucks on this site-
The same smarmy cocksuckers yearning for the epic letdown this piece of shit film will prove to be, are the same cocksuckers that were downing and overly critical of Trek earlier this summer.
Spectacle , CGI, kick ass when it's Avatar, but not when it's Star Trek?
Fuck. You. All. Star Trek will have 10 times the heart and human element this overhyped piece of shit will have. I smell a vaginal turd of Terminator 4 proportions here. -
more cat talk please.
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Is mainly in the Navi design. Very hard to sell something that looks like a cartoon version of a human. It just screams fake to the brain. Either make them have the basic dimensions of people, are make them a lot different. Better to have had their bodies not so elongated, their faces not like distorted human faces - or to have made them LESS human-looking. The motion for these creatures is still real rubbery though, so maybe nothing could save it from that. Also not sure what those mech suits from the Matrix are doing there or why he chose to so closely mirror the ship landing in the forest shot from the Episode I trailer. Just kind of weird.
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and make sure the humans are vile, backstabbing murderers who are there for one reason: to exploit the fuck out of Pandora. The idea is to exterminate and/or subjugate the native population and then harness their resources for our benefit. Let's keep this true to humman nature, Jim.
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Now, don't go crazy on me.
I see where you're coming from. I completely agree about those MBA idiots. It's why Marvel and Hasbro have to create their own studios to adapt their own movies. It's sad. Watch Entourage, and you will see the sorts of morons that are destroying Hollywood. I wish for all of them to lose their jobs too. -
Thanks for the inspiration with tht title treatment... where is your blog?
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Of Jar Jar Binks pale in comparison to the physics that I saw in the trailer. You guys are just upset that the CG isn't hidden behind "grit" and color filters like everything else that's come out recently that's "better". The real thing throwing you guys off is the color palette. This exact same trailer with a sepia filter and some grit would have every single one of you guys chopping your balls off to see the movie right now.
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NP... I know.... MBA's and the spiral of film is actually the reason everyone is so pissed off on this site!
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It was expressed earlier that we shouldn't rag on the people in this talkback who dislike what they saw in the AVATAR teaser, and that we should, in fact, pay heed to it, since it seems like an overwhelming amount ... and that's true. To an extent. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and someone saying "You CAN'T hate this! It's gonna be amazing!" is a lot worse than somebody bitching about the fact that the CGI didn't jump off of their laptop screen and cram a thick blue penis down their throat that subsequently ejaculated D & D figures, Pez and Bud Lite into their esophagus. Fair enough. HOWEVER ...
... a good eighty percent of the haters are simply spewing gibberish about how 1) the CGI isn't "good enough" 2) the alien designs aren't "good enough" and 3) seem to just be fervently wishing James Cameron makes a huge cinematic stinkbomb with this one.
1) The CGI. Especially baffling are the people sneering about how much better DISTRICT 9's visual effects are over AVATAR's. Really? Because, as it happens, they were done BY THE SAME FUCKING COMPANY, JAG-OFFS. And explain where the "really obvious CGI" is? Oh, you mean the stuff with the twelve-foot-tall aliens? You mean, they didn't look like the real fucking twelve-foot-tall aliens you saw that one time?!? The completely photo-realistic backgrounds?!? The spaceships?!? What movie are you comparing the visual effects to, exactly?!? STAR WARS?!? Yeah, nothing was more photo-realistic and seamless than those TIE fighters with black garbage matte boxes around them. JURASSIC PARK?!? Really?!? Because there's exactly seven minutes worth of CGI in that movie. Maybe you're thinking of Stan Winston and his "latex CGI" or something. Put down the fucking bong, stop squeezing your pimples and think before typing.
2) While I'll state again that the aliens look a little goofy, and that the DISTRICT 9 "prawns" look a a little more, well, "alien" ... they had to create an anthropomorphic design since there's likely long stretches of AVATAR without any human actors whatsoever. I doubt you'd have gotten into DISTRICT 9 if all you saw for sixty percent of the movie were a bunch of those prawn thingies talking to each other without any humans involved whatsoever. Should H.R. Giger have designed the fucking movie?!? Even ALIEN had relatable human beings running around in all that brown and gray phallic shit.
3) I realize this is the Internet and it's fun to be empowered in a way you will never be empowered in real life, but c'mon. For openers, you can whine and bitch all you want, this movie will make a lot of cash. A LOT of cash. In fact, if it doesn't make a lot of cash probably the worst that will happen is that Cameron will be forced to go off and cry into one of his huge bags of money and somehow make do with a cinematic legacy that will tower over yours even if you start writing (and actually sell) that long-in-self-development "BSG Versus 'Star Trek'" pilot you've been working on. Sucks, huh?
I certainly don't mind reading an opposing viewpoint, but you're not backing up your opinions-stated-as-facts, you're just laying them out there. And probably touching yourselves while you do it. At least stop touching yourselves, because, man, that's just gross. -
FAT ASS SWOLLEN BLOATED HANDS looked better than this flaccid shiny shit. Polished turds my bitches, polished turds....
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You're absolutely right about the design of the alien. When I first saw the concept art for the Na'vi I said to myself "well some people sure are going to hate the hell out of that". It's an incredibly tough challenge these guys have taken on and I personally prefer something with heaps of ambition that sinks under its own weight than mediocre, easy way out bullshit.
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honestly for people bitching about the CGI they weren't paying much attention. Looks "fake"? Of course it looks fake you fucking morons. And then when people say District 9 is more real looking, OMG what a bunch of fools. Yeah it's because they slapped shrimp heads on top of them. The look of the Navi is completely unreal, you haven't seen one in the ocean or walking past you on the street. So you'll have to suspend that disbelief. I thought Gollum looked retard for the first minute or so, but once he started talking I was sold. Same goes for when Jake Sully opens his mouth and says "this is great". Looked so realistic when they showed his teeth, and the chick looks extremely real in some parts in the trailer (such quick cuts though). Don't even get me started on the COMPLETELY CG floating mountains, looked like a shot from Planet Earth doc.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:32:10 PM CDT
I wanna get it on with that navi chick, but i think she's 9ft ta
by orionsangels
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Dead on…JC is trying to replicate the way things look underwater! Water acts as a lens that crystallizes and makes things seem brighter, more perfect… It’s an effect you see whne in the tropics with equator sun shafting through crystal water and bouncing on bright white sand…
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I hope for a good story, though what was said about the story at Comic Con was not all that impressive either. I hope for the best, as one can really only do when one of your favorite directors has a new film coming out. I doubt my eye's will be fucked this December by this movie, but I hope for at least an eye spanking?
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This looks so fucking bomb. Can't wait.
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Not reading it either ....MEOW !
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Over 15 years have passed and still nothing has come close.
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I just said i wanna get it on with a 9ft tall blue chick. She should be in Vogue.
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Holy shit the haters are just hanging by straws now. I know you morons can't say that with a straight face. Jar Jar Binks does not look better than the Navi CG-wise. Hell let's ratchet that up even more, I don't even think Davy Jones looks as good. And they used practical effects alongside CG for that one, as opposed to the completely CG rendered Navi. Your anti-hype won't do shit come December. You'll all watch it.
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It's great to see "OPEN CGI" that isn't clouded for people who still feel that CGI is lazy, and a lesser art form. I hate to say this because I'm a purist, but the CGI in "Avatar" looks absolutely gorgeous. Yes, the Navi look a bit cartoony, but their beautiful. They fit almost perfectly well with the scenary, and the actors emotions are completely expressed through the CGI characters. It's kinda like what Peter Jackson did with Gollum, only with a bit more texture and detail. This film just looks gorgeous, and there were times when I couldn't tell what was CGI and what was real. THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME! NEVER! :)
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Almost 2000 posts in less than 24 hours!
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The trailer looks great wow and epic !
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You just wait.
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All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again...
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I was just thinking that myself. I left 2 hours ago to get some Taco Cabana and I come back and the number of posts had almost doubled!
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THANKS FOR MAKING ME CRACK UP. HELLO? WETA!JAG-OFFS...HEH. YU MUST BE FROM CHI-TOWN.
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I'm watching HACKERS right now on ActionMax and it's got better effects, not to mention a better plot. Sorry Cameron, been a fan since 1984 but I expected more from you. Especially after all that bloviating. This film is an extended sequence of the Kashyyyk battle in EPISODE III.
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smells like cat food
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I don't ENTIRELY disagree with you... But I'm sorry, the "This movie will make TONS of cash no matter how much you people whine about it!" line has been absolutely run into the ground and never really made much sense at all to begin with. I mean honestly, if you're gonna make a point, you can do MUCH better than that.Maybe the CGI isn't a big deal to you. Just like the acting quality isn't a big deal to some people. Just like the quality of the writing isn't a big deal to some people. Just like the directing isn't a big deal to some people. Just like a movie's soundtrack isn't a big deal to some people. Pattern?Just because YOU haven't been actively paying attention to the lack of progression of CGI over the years doesn't mean you can freely dismiss those who have as "elitist whiners nitpicking about nothing". I wouldn't say this looks like a video game, but at the same time it doesn't look like something that's had as much money spent on it as it has. And that's entirely the point, whether you can accept that or not.You can give it a free pass if you want. Go ahead. I won't be offended. But the massive roadblock that CGI's been stuck at for years now is something that more and more people are actually starting to care about. Sure some may complain it for the sole purpose of having something to whine about (although I'd like to think that most are disappointed simply because of the promise of never-before-seen quality that those behind the film made). But some people would genuinely like to see some sort of real technological "leap" that we haven't seen in a decade, especially given the massive amount of dollars pumped into CG-rich projects. It doesn't make us "elitist whiners"; it simply means that some people pay just a 'bit' more attention to some things than you do.
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about those youtube videos you put in your post. Specially the one with the blue goku anime cliche dude jumping around... you can't be serious, i mean, really. Please don't be serious.
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Look, I'm as big a Cameron fan as anyone: I actually saw ALIENS on new release, which makes me an old man round these parts. But first impressions of the trailer are decidedly underwhelming. The robot soldiers looked like something out of a ten-year old videogame cutscene. Giving Big Jim the benefit of the doubt, I reckon there is a bunch more Post to be done here. Which doesn't explain why he would take the risk to his reputation of releasing half-done CGI to a critical world audience. I just hope the months in a darkened room in front of his Avid console haven't caused him to lose control of the project and part of his mind. I still have confidence, but maybe a little less than yesterday . . .
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I don't think the design is ambitious. I think they wanted something people could identify with, ie humanoid, but would be different enough in a way that was still attractive (not sexually all you bit-fuckers out there). My take is that strategy did not pay off because the design is neither human enough nor alien enough. The closest things our brains have trained to identify are probably cartoon characters, whose exaggerated human proportions these Navi most recall. Which is too bad.
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Fancy Feast!
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need a terminator or somethin
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Aug 20, 2009 11:49:27 PM CDT
yack, just felt like starting a fight, dropped some lures
by ironic_name
thats about the only use these talkbacks have.
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"All flash and no substance, all eye candy. Nice opening weekend, epic dropoff."are you fucking serious?? a 2 minute teaser trailer is all eye candy and no substance?? do you realize what you just said? you're an idiot man. and stop being so defensive about star trek. it was a great looking, fun movie with a lazy script and a weak sauce villain. no more, no less.
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What I don't like is Cameron giving away the FUCKING ENDING in the trailer.. Look closely and you can save yourself the $13 3-D theater fee and just watch the trailer... Bad move...
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The thing with the anime video was that Cameron could've given us a Na'vi who melts people's faces and says "EAT THIS!" while cutting twelve guys in half. But ... no.
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Na'vi, Prawns, Predator(female of course).. This should be fun.
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Shit, I pay 8 at the most. 4 during the day.
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"only way"
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My ps3 and xbox 360 don't look like that - anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong?
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If you're despairing over the lack of progress of CGI, watch this...it's Ed Ulbrich on the effects process for BENJAMIN BUTTON and it shows his team has a real flair for innovation. I can't wait to see what they come up with for TRON LEGACY:
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Gay
Nah, I'm not upset with the CG..I just though this was going to be a massive space movie or something of that nature.
This looks more like fantasy than science fiction. That's my gripe. But then again, who knows, it might rock.
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I was watching the end of Spider-Man 2 the other day and it reminded me that CG has enabled to much perfection, image-wise. Too often, everything looks like a fucking Renaissance painting. This trailer has the same problem, and I'm sure that contributes to the Navi not getting the job done (though I'd put it third behind rubbery movement and unfortunate design).
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Aug 20, 2009 11:55:47 PM CDT
Sir Loin's comment is a perfect example of this talkback...
by thewaqman
fucking filled with completely moronic comments that they know isn't true. That makes no sense at all. Hackers has better CGI than Avatar. Amazing.
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fellowship of the tuna.
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around here we pay 8 during the day and 13 any other time. Fucking extortionate.
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...i think i realised when Worthington's Na'vi first sits up it looks amazing but the more we see of them it becomes unavoidable that they look cartoonish...im not sure what it is...people keep excusing the designs (which i gotta say are VERY fucking fey and hippy..but whatever)..to me its a perception of the lighting, color, detail and movement..its seems to be very inconsistent throughout that trailer..but hell..either way it will look great in 3D, and if the story is good..well thats entertainment..'toon or not
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I've had Ghost Dog on pause all day today. I bring it up: "IN ASSOCIATION WITH PANDORA FILM AND..."
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This film looks half sci-fi/half fantasy to me. The first half of the trailer had some really cool sci-fi shit. And the Navi and Pandora look really fantasy oriented. The marines look really grounded in Aliens/sci-fi though. Looks cool to me.
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That's the single funniest post on here!
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Fight for the Kitty Litter!
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Actually that sounds great.
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i'm cheesing my fucking brains out right now.
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...of a talkbacker who's only been alive since 1989.
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Make sure to watch the trailer in the highest HD possible for your display. I wasn't sure about the CGI at first but after seeing it in HD I think it looks much better.
P.S. Say what you want about Jar-Jar but he was still a milestone in computer graphics integrated with live action. I actually thought Rob Coleman and ILM did an even better job with Watto in the prequels. His interactions with Qui-Gon (hand slap, etc.) were very well executed. -
$13 around here too (Long Island, NY); $8 for a matinee. About $15 for UP in 3D, at all times of the day, so I'm assuming AVATAR tickets will cost the same.
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"Reading the talkback on AVATAR teaser makes me want to quit AICN. Such wanton negativity. So distasteful to my love of film."
or even better from IGN:
"All I have to say is... WHAT THE PHUKK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?!?!? I just saw an awesome trailer with aliens riding on phukkin dinosaurs, while battling commandos in phukkin mechs and jet copters... AND YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL CGI!!!
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...and you're hitting $30, for a solo movie ticket. With a date, $60. It's the price of a concert.
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Seriously, that's a pretty weak argument about this film's effects. The creatures in the Avatar trailer look no better than Davy Jones, and I would even say they are a bit beneath his quality. The point about Jones is that no one has ever seen a man with an wriggling octopus for a head and crustaceans melded to his body, but the CGI done on his character was consistently realistic. How many of us have actually seen the texture a live octopus up close? Certainly none of us have seen one with a man's face. So the "unreal" Navi argument doesn't hold up here because we've seen instances of CG work that are also impossible in the real world. There isn't a set of rules about what looks real and what doesn't. Just because a creature moves his hand or opens his eyelids in a certain way, it doesn't mean that something is automatically realistic-looking. There are instances of weird motion in this trailer (such as the avatar placing his hand on the glass). To someone's mind, it either looks real or it doesn't. It's not exactly fair to tell someone that they shouldn't criticize something just because it doesn't really exist and therefore that someone doesn't know how it would move/act. You've got to draw the line somewhere. As in this trailer, anything that looks too clean or polished will probably end up looking a little fake simply because there's little in real life that looks that way. This is a dumb example, but think of how we judge people with lots of plastic surgery: fake because they appear so smooth and polished. Good CGI isn't manipulative because its "hidden" behind grit and grime...that's how things really are.
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but I rarely go there. If it's something like Trek or Batman, sure, but I don't need to pay 14 bucks for The Adventures of Lucky the Dinosaur.
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...a fucking cartoon.And an average looking one. Jim "I'm great me" Cameron's massive ego gets in the way of the facts, again. Shite!Some REAL visionary director wanna bring Hyperion (real visionary sci-fi) to the screen, or what?
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Best CGI ever.
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the milla jovovich talkback is somewhere else, scram.
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and i love him for it... he's one of the few ballsy filmakers left imo
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Yes, I have seen the Navi and I know what they look like in real life. This isn't it.
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WHERE IS OUR APOLOGY!!!!!
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It looks like stop-motion animation, and let me tell you, ILM's Go-Motion (Motion Controlled Camera guided stop motion) looks much better than the herky jerky video gamie CGI on display in the trailer of "Avatar". I think James Cameron should have gone with traditional make-up effects, on his real human actors, as well, he should have used animatronics...each for close-ups and semi close-ups. CGI, when not perfected, should only be used for background or middle-ground shots, not the foreground as Roland Emerich always use to point-out. Likewise, in-camera effects, and special sets, and miniatures sets, should have been used for forced perspective shots. Yes, James Cameron should have used mixed forms of old practical efects, special effects make-up, and digital effects, which would deliver a more convincing look for Avatar's alien creatures, ala Steven Spielberg with Jurassic Park--and the dinosaurs, ala the T-Rex scenes. Sam Worthington, for instance, would have looked far more convincing in blue-make-up and colored eye lenses in close-ups, and semi close-ups, and even in establishing shots...in full, as opposed to what we now see here in the final rendered product. The technology just isn't good enough yet to render a photo realistic looking humanoid in CGI. Yes, I would advise Cameron to use a mixed form of special effects techniques, not just CGI. He still has the time to take these steps before the film is released, and he would be smart to do it.Take-up shots, and reshoots for Avatar, anyone?
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WTF? Papyrus font? A FREE font found anywhere on the net? Pretty hacky.
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Aug 21, 2009 12:51:21 AM CDT
The District 9 Compares- Reasons why it looks better to most
by thepilgrim
First off, No! The same company did not Composite, Animate and Render the Aliens in District 9. Weta was too busy with Avatar to handle it. Weta modeled the creatures, but all of the composite, animation and render work was done by "The Embassy Visual Effects Inc" in Vancover Canada.
Why do the D9 Aliens look better to the average masses. The answer is simple. The aliens are based on Arthropothic Species with Hard Shinny Exoskeleton Structures.
CGI does hard, shinny, opaque surfaces with ease. Plastic or slightly less plastic hard surfaces are easy to pull of in CGI. Skin is not, and again another Studio did the Composite, Render, and Animation work for District 9. Weta was too fucking busy working on Avatar. -
oh shit, i did
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Photorealism? Who gives a shit? Beautiful art direction, production design
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thats my preface for anything Harry has to say about anything
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I kinda feel like I just saw a trailer for a really cool new video game! I'm still curious to see where it goes from here.
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How many alien worlds and 10ft tall feline aliens have you seen in real life? And how many such aliens have you seen in such alien worlds to know for sure what sort of lighting would look realistic?
Yeah, it looks like cartoon or video game, know why? Coz a videogame is the closest in 'real life' you've come to seeing alien worlds. It is just the way our brain works. It is so very impossible to process things for us without a reference point.
So when you see a tall blue feline humanoid being, your brain searches for closest reference in it's storehouse and comes up with 'videogame', 'smurfs', 'thundercats', 'yada yada yada yada'.
Anyone remember Terminator2? I saw it when I was 11 and even I wasn't blown away by the 'cool molten metal' fx. It was the story, action and soundtrack coming together.
And before shitting on fakey look, tell me one battle sequence from LOTR that didn't look obviously fake and CGI?
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my friends. The impossible has been achieved. Honestly looking past all that hype this has fucking aliens on dinosaurs fighting futuristic marines in choppers and mechs and tanks. How the fuck can you guys complain with that? And also it won't have a non-story like almost all action movies nowadays.
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Is this film actually supposed to go deep into the eco morality and be thought provoking, or is it just offering the old "save the rainforest" deal? And I can't take all the primary colors of this world; it's personally too bright and colorful for me. It's definitely interesting and pretty, but all cleanness is odd.
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Aug 21, 2009 1:01:31 AM CDT
And I'd rather see JC try and fail than another Bay/Ratner/McG/S
by onezeroone
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in IMAX 3D but i just wish the alien design was less disney big eyed faeries...the world and the story seem cool, but imagine if the aliens looked like D9 aliens it would be that much cool, i dont expect cameron to revert to hardcore terminator 1 or aliens but this seems as far away from that as possible....anyone know where the trailer music is from? or if its from the actual movie?
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in IMAX 3D but i just wish the alien design was less disney big eyed faeries...the world and the story seem cool, but imagine if the aliens looked like D9 aliens it would be that much cool, i dont expect cameron to revert to hardcore terminator 1 or aliens but this seems as far away from that as possible....anyone know where the trailer music is from? or if its from the actual movie?
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all of you...
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is that everyone expected Cameron to cast LIVE ACTUAL ALIENS for the Na'vi. Sorry all your expectations were dashed.
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It's motherfucking JAMES CAMERON. I mean this is the dude that made T2...this is the dude that made Aliens...HE. IS. A. BADASS. And I can't wait to see this.
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music is 28 weeks later
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Aug 21, 2009 1:07:00 AM CDT
For a wordless trailer it felt like it had a lot of spoilers
by dreamfasting
Strangely, the trailer seemed to give too much away ... my imagination immediately filled in what I would expect the rest of the movie to look like. But I'm a sucker for a well-crafted fictional ecology, so I'll definitely see it just for that (although having watched more than a few predators in action, it's like nails on chalkboard to see them always stop in roar in movies)
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If you can't criticize something because "you've never seen a real blue alien", what ARE you supposed to judge the effect on?
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The CG for District 9 was also rendered with high-contrast that we are used to seeing along with shakey-cam, this further helped integrate the compositing. When I watched AVATAR at Comic-con, the 3D effect w the glasses definitely helped erase the 'cartoon' aspect of the film.
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Hyperion is being brought to the big screen, at least according to IMDB. Thing is, it's being directed by the same guy that did the Day the Earht Stood Still remake. Ugh. Probably won't ever get off the ground. Someone needs to make Ilium happen right now. The Iliad retold pulp-style? Greek gods with forcefields and WMDs? Yes please. As for this seeming disappointment, Cameron's got a lotta 'splainin' to do. That shot of cat-woman keening in agony as her village burns or whatever actually made me giggle it was so overwrought. Please prove us haters all wrong, Mr. Cameron. You've certainly spent enough goddamn money to do so.
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It's called having standards and some critical faculties...
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And know why? Coz dinosaurs weren't *ALL* CGI. They used animatronics and used those 'puppets' as a reference to CGI the Dinosaurs.
And non-humanoid creatures will always look more real than humanoid creatures simply due to the same 'reference' mechanism of brain which makes it easier to suspend disbelief for non-humanoid.
If you want to compare the dinosaurs, compare them to one of the non-Na'vi creatures in the trailer. And I don't see anyone complaining about THOSE creatures looking fake.
And those whining about Disney eyes... come up with a design for feline humanoid being. Imagine your cat walking on two feet and 10 feet tall. How do you think it will look like. Ever noticed cat eyes *do* have that Disney feel about them? -
Saw the 15 min preview earlier today (I'm in New Zealand) and believe me, watching the trailer on your pc doesn't do the effects work any justice at all. The Na'vi look amazing and the 3D works really well. I think the thing that impressed me most was the scale of the Na'vi 1st time you see one standing up. 10ft tall awesomeness, I for one will be front of the line come december!
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and gets the marines to kick their drug habits.
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Aug 21, 2009 1:18:33 AM CDT
Ever noticed cat eyes *do* have that Disney feel about them?
by quantize
wow you just blew yourself up with that...No they dont fucking look like Disney characters...you're going to tell us real lions and tigers look like cartoons?
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My cats don't look like Disney characters. Can we please stop with the "do it yourself and see how it turns out" arguments, also? That's no way to judge something - you don't have to be a musician to believe that a certain type of music is well made.
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I didn't have my eyeballs raped. I had my eyeballs seduced and loved. I can't stop watching it. I don't care. I was approaching this shit with cautious enthusiasm, and now I've gone into berserk mode. Well played Jimmy.
You know how ill this is going to be, if the prophecies are true and the 3D is as deep and immersive as James has touted them? All you cats saying that he is calling this a 'gamechanger', he DIDN'T actually ever call the movie ITSELF a gamechanger, but that of the mo-cap and 3D technology. So we still have that to look forward to.
Those aerial shots, especially the one where all the Navi dive, is going to be fucking DELICIOUS in 3D.
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...in motherfucking IMAX. Oh lawd.
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Am not saying don't criticize it, but try to grasp the fact that without a reference to compare it to, suspension of disbelief will itself get suspended [what did I just say???]
This is, what I've always felt, biggest roadblock to make something unreal seem realistic. I guess JC hyped it up coz he saw these creatures as real in his mind and it got translated to screen perfectly. -
District 9 used the raw red camera footage for the color tone tweaking very little if at all any of the final color value. Avatar has no real world filmed counterpart to use as a guide to keep the lighting conditions and color levels grounded. The subjects that are real are trapped in spaceship sets that are brightly/harshly lit or under lit with strong blue black light colors. Everything in on the planet is either foggy grey colored, brightly lit. asll of the colors on this alien planet look punched up to a higher/stronger value than what our real world provides. Add these all up and that could be causing the video game compares. the colors are strong, very strong. the renders have a fogism to them when Jake rolls into frame on pandora next to that guy in the mech suit. It's a trailer, you cant judge the whole film on just a trailer.
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looks pretty but I'm not sold.
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District 9 used the raw red camera footage for the color tone. Tweaking very little, if at all any of that captured color value. Avatar has no real outside world filmed counterpart to use as a guide to keep the lighting conditions and color levels grounded across the board. the CGI subjects are nto tweaked colorwise to fit into anything, because nothing is real most of the time. The characters that are real are trapped in scpaeship sets that are brightly/harshly lit or under lit- with strong blue blacklights. Everything on the planet pandora is either foggy grey colored, or super brightly lit. All of the colors on this alien planet look punched up to a higher/stronger color value than what our real world provides. Add these all up and that could be causing the video game compares. The colors are strong, very strong. The renders have a fogism to them when Jake rolls into frame on pandora next to that guy in the mech suit. It's a trailer, you cant judge the whole film on just a trailer.
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game changer? eyes fucked?
I lost my lunch when someone above called it Ferngully 2: Electric Boogaloo!! that's what it looks like.
but come on, we know Cam tells a good story, so it will be entertaining.
The CGI is not better than it was 10 years ago here.
As another mentioned, POTC got it right with Davey Jones.
I still can't believe that was all CGI and nothing practical there, fucking amazing.
so far top CGI goes to:
Jurassic Park 1
POTC Dead Man's Chest
Improve on that boys.
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I guess imagination as well as comprehension are in short supply today. Where did I say they look like Disney characters? I was pointing to the fact that cats have bigger eyes, not in size, but in terms of proportion when compared to their face.
Starleswinter... agree, don't have to be musician to believe that. But then thing is, no matter what you believe in, there will always be someone having a belief contrary to yours. So what you consider 'not well made' might be a masterpiece for someone else. -
Aug 21, 2009 1:37:07 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, YES, IT'S ME AND IT SEEMS THAT WE CAN AGREE....
by carlthormark1978
On some things.
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Because it usually is the full scale animatronic created by stan winston. The scene at the very end were it fights the velociraptors was rendered very well but the scene that grabs everyone into the "it's real!" relm is usually the Stan Winston Rex. It wasn't CGI until it chased the flair and bit the tires. I still say Dragonheart was the first amazing CGI dinosaur like creatures texturewise. It used bumpmaping for the textures. Now we use displacment maps and alphas. Draco's texture work surprisingly still holds up against some of the best cgi made characters today.
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its all very pretty in the way the SW prequels are all like concept art painted with a computer--
i just think D9 showed that people want a return to more 80's style sci fi that is more rough but still imaginative.
honestly this will probably be cool but if people have negative reactions to cartoony big eyed thundercat-ish looking aliens why isnt that a legitimate complaint?
i think the general public and geeks as well are more immersed in the story when CGI is used to enhance existing earth landscapes (trust me there are plenty of otherworldly places ive never seen in movies, rent "planet earth" if you dont believe me)
in addition directors like lucas fail to knowledge that having something real will always trump CGI, CGI when used to animate something real for movements sake is great.
anyhow blah blah. i just think theres a little something "un cool" about the alien design and i think all the negative reactions are due to that. TRON legacy on the other hand i think will be the one to beat...every note in that trailer from sound design,world design, score etc were very "cool" for lack of a better word.
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The CGI is good, but not what I was expecting. More like PIXAR good. Surprised by how fake it looks. Should be fun viewing though.
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I have to say it was looking better that my first impression on 'Small'. Take away the limitations of the internet, Quicktime, and size, move it onto the big screen with 3D goggles, I think everything is there to provide a good, even a great, cinematic experience. Needs a LOT of fine-tuning though.
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Aug 21, 2009 1:48:14 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, I STILL SAY STAR TREK'S SCRIPT WAS SHIT BUT....
by carlthormark1978
I fucking loved the actors and the Direction. If Abrams had a great script he could have made a modern classic. I'm hoping he'll dump those two hacks he works with, hires some real writers and make a great sequel. As for Avatar, I’m just not feeling it at all. Cameron isn’t capable of making something as clever as Starship Troopers, which was great satire, nor is he quirky enough to give something along the lines of The Fifth Element, a movie that I love despite its simplistic story.
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cracks me up every time some one uses the "it looks like a video game" line. well then sign me up for that console. i want to play that game. for fucks sake people. we are suppose to have some kind of emotional attachment to these aliens.sure some may argue the merits of the design choices of the navi. but in art there are certain cues that you stick to that attract people. such as asymmetry with regards to people. for example, the wider apart the eyes are set on a woman the more attractive it is for some people. if you make a completely alien species will worthington's character have a romantic feeling for the female navi. i don't think so. when the navi female jumped on that pterodactyl. it kind of turned me on. yeah i'm sick that way. her back was very sexy.
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Call the cops cos my eyes were raped. I am now sold. Trailer does it no justice. At all and I now belies it's on purpose to temper expectations cos the 16 minute avatar day thingy is fucking great
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And right now, it's not looking to good. Granted, I'm sure the CGI will translate much better in IMAX-3D, but most people, I'm talking 90% of the movie goers will not see this in IMAX.
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I agree, the T-Rex looks real because a lot of times it IS real. I also think that when the decision is made to make a physical creature or costume for the set, it pushes the CG guys a lot harder and gives them an actual set reference that doesn't consist of a bunch of chrome balls.If you watch the behind-the-scenes stuff on Iron Man, I actually got the feeling that ILM wanted more of their work and less of Winston's. They kept pushing Favreau to do more CG and less of the real suit, so that it could have more moving parts. At one point they do a side-by-side of the actual plate and then the CG, where they replaced ALL OF WHAT'S THERE instead of just adding the stupid flaps and shit to the physical suit that's actually in the shot. I think you can completely tell the difference between the two, the light just doesn't hit the same and the brushed chrome look just isn't as convincing as it is on the real thing. I really feel that it was a mistake made just so they can do more bullshit CG where it isn't necessary.Stan Winston said it best in the same doc when he said that the best situation is to mix the computer work and the models, stop-motion, and physical FX so that it messes you up a little bit and you don't know what you're seeing, so you finally just sit back and relax and enjoy the show. He's 100% right... when there's just a few shots where there IS something real there on the set, you kind of stop paying attention to that stuff and fall into the story just a little more. I'm even of the mind that a smart director should sacrifice at least a few shots in a CG heavy sequence in order to get something physical into the mix... meaning, reframe it however you have to in order to put a physical suit/animatronic/miniature into the mix. One last rant - I'm aware that they still use a shit-load of miniatures in movies but they also ruin those same shots by taking it into the computer, grading the shit out of it, and then adding weird atmospheric FX that then make it look absolutely fake.
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It's an inanimate object. It's supposed to be child's play stuff of CG. Look at what Transformers 2 achieved with their CG, then compare it to the mechs & vehicles in the Avatar teaser. Fucking FAIL. The cat people on the other hand, model-wise they look acceptable albeit weird, but motion-wise, it will take a while into the movie for the brain too see past the unnatural movements.
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Aug 21, 2009 1:59:34 AM CDT
HARRY'S TWITTER ALSO SAID "THIS PARK BENCH NEEDS KETCHUP NOMNOMN
by carlthormark1978
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I love Camerons work...(except Titanic, that was a POS chick flick, sorry. Long and boring. Good for a period piece I guess, pretty historical)
I was pretty into avatar. Not fan boying, but you, know excited. JC and Sci-Fi is a good combo.
Saw the trailer once: I was not excited at all. The mechs looked kinda cool though.
Saw the trailer twice: Read some talkback, watched it again. The effects look real. But again, I was not impressed. It looks like a comic or cartoon brought to life. The designs just don't do it for me. Not excited. Might see it for the mechs though.
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cause the scene where he eats the Gallimimus later sticks out liek a soar thumb. There are a few junk scene in JP. The Galli flocking scene is by far the worst- but hey they invented a new tracking system to match them up to the bounciung camera and running actors for that scene. That and the sunlight was uber harsh in that scene
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what sci fi people want IMO is REAL sci fi, stuff that looks real and exists in a consistent world, kind of girtty. Like D9 and star wars. Not some weird Fern Gully planet, or the "clean future" like irobot.
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this look more interesting, though I may not be entirely objective
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Looks like a mediocre sci-fi flick with a far to high FX budget and animators who spent most of that budget on cocaine.
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Whoever among you that consider yourselves to be the elite of talkbalk snobbery...You are WAAAAY the hell off on this one. If you're basing your opinions off of the first blush analysis, you're missing the bigger picture...literally. This movie is incredibly deep and it does things we haven't seen before. We get a taste of it here but James will be celebrated for it later. Trust me.
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...Including this is that it has no weight to it. The T Rex felt like it was there because of the sound design and the way you could see the musculature moving under the skin as it hunted down everyone. The use of animatronics (like pressing its foot into mud) completes the trick. Any good illusion has multiple parts to it, CGI is no different. Maybe this movie in context (with sound effects, 3-d, etc) will be better but right now I think it is merely visually interesting. My favorite CG characters are still the TRex, Gollum, and Watto (just based on how they looked). The D9 aliens were neat too, but I need to see that movie again to really rank 'em. The first time they appeared on screen they stuck out as fake, but as the movie went on I really bought into it. Maybe the same will happen with this movie.
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Nerds? As opposed to the social heights attained by a person with the time to write the same word 100 times as the 2000th post on a movie-geek website? Nerdy indeed.
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at least watch it in HD on a HD screen
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Aug 21, 2009 2:16:34 AM CDT
looks like a 70s french comic come to life
by the_ad_wizard_who_came_up_with_this_one
which is absolutely fantastic.
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New Avatar Video Game Trailer at Gamestop.com
http://tinyurl.com/m5kyw3
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and it looks WAY better on the big screen than on computer....it does look real
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With giant mongoloid smufs.
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You'll notice...I was the first to point-out that Cameron should be mixing different styles of special effects here, like practical effects, make-up effects, animatronics, forced perspective, miniatures, go-motion puppety, etc., with CGI...only used for background and middle ground shots, or where it can seemlessly be hidden, in order to create a more realistic look. That came from Media Messiah, first!!!
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Um, yeah. We await your Sci-Fi epic with baited breath.
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with all the crazy future technology, you'd imagine a slightly more sophisticated method of getting about than a wheel chair? I really am so OVER CGI. boring shit. oh yeah, and I don't like terminator 2, first one was a classic, second one, sickeningly patriotic, over indulgent, kids film.
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not sure but he said he secured the rights to it.
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Aug 21, 2009 2:56:44 AM CDT
A two minute TEASER trailer let's you dismiss a 2 Hour 40 minute
by snakecharmer
You people need to stop downloading movies on your computer and sit you butts in a movie theater.NIGHT AND DAY!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptvFWooJ61k
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptvFWooJ61k
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And I have a mandate of close to no CGI!!!
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ahhh nah man, thats the exact approach cameron took in titanic... watch the behind the scenes of the dvd, its stated quite specifically
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Aug 21, 2009 3:11:21 AM CDT
I wish I could Brainwash myself into loving this movie
by trannyformers_apologist
...but It the story sounds like shit and it looks like shit. Not to mention the outrageous hype that spewed straight from Cameron's mouth about this cliche 400 million dollar Furry Anime. The hate and dislike for this movie must be a conspiracy! How could anyone not fall in love with Cameron's donkey faced, mongoloid, Thundersmurfs ?
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Better than Davey Jones. And the real amazement comes when you see the performances and dialogue from these alien characters (I saw the CC footage). It has sent a new benchmark.
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You all know it.
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http://tinyurl.com/kvq3bo after seeing that I don't know how people can argue over the CG.
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...his own mandate, and the rules therein, which he apparently established with Titanic, as you have pointed-out. Sadly, when he shot "Avatar", he seemingly forgot all about that. Choclate Woman warned of this, it is just too bad that she was banned...and isn't here to comment on the Avatar movie trailer. I miss really, and sincerely, Choclate Woman!!!
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Aug 21, 2009 3:35:38 AM CDT
Amended--MyNemaBorat: I Just Wish Cameron Had Followed...
by media messiah
...his own mandate, and the rules therein, which he apparently established with Titanic, as you have pointed-out. Sadly, when he shot "Avatar", he seemingly forgot all about that. Choclate Woman warned of this, it is just too bad that she was banned...and isn't here to comment on the Avatar movie trailer. I really, and sincerely, miss...Choclate Woman!!!
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but don't want to watch it again...best shot is the helicopter/floating islands...the aliens do feel a World of Warcraft-style...but hey. I am pretty sure that on the IMAX this movie is going to own.
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The better this thing looks. A lot of those shots look fantastic and completely photo-real. I mean all I'm hearing is, HORRIBLE CGI! DANCED WITH WOLVES! FERN GULLY! The first claim is just idiotic. Actually the second one is too, cause were comparing 2 minutes of footage to these movies (Good movies at that).
So really all it comes down to is this... No one gives a fuck if you like or don't like the footage you saw. Some of you people act like your opinion is actually gonna matter, or make the nonsense you spit true. HAHA. No ones changing anyone elses mind, but still you'll all be there opening day, but that's ok, keep being "cool" for now. -
Grasping at strings. Some of you don't sound like you even believe what you're saying. Most of you are probably bitter ass holes because you have your own "visions" of how movies should be made. Well guess what you don't make movies for a reason, because you're fucking stupid. This movie looks like a gift to nerds and yet you all bitch and compare it to the only recent movie with aliens. I loved D9 but comparing these movies makes no fucking sense. Compare D9 to Cloverfield maybe but not these two. Guys get a life and just be happy we are getting this movie. CG looks sweet, action looks amazing go get laid and chill out. What does it matter anyway because you'll all see it. Heard this shit two weeks ago with D9 about how "bad" and "over hyped" it was going to be, yet everyone here comments on it. Debate over. I win.
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I can't recall a fully 3-D live action/CGI movie on this scale before. Forgetting "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" of course! In that respect it will be a game changer.
Most of the disgruntlement on the feedback is purely because of outrageous expectations people have been holding. Though Jim Cameron is one of my favourite directors I made sure to check mine and I really dug the trailer. It's not the second coming but the trailer is intriguing and it allowed me to suddenly understand the seemingly overly convoluted plot. It's actually quite a simple story when you see it play out visually. Love that last image of the two Na'vi. Cant wait, thanks Jim! -
The physics is all wrong and looks like they are marionettes ala Thunderbirds. Clearly the amazing Mocap system isn't that amazing.
The skin texture and lighting is so far wrong that I can't believe it got a pass by Jim's team. Look at the space CG and the CG on the planet. It's amazing. How could they let the first look at the Na'vi be so below the bar.
The faces and hair in particular on the Na'vi just aren't right either. It's like they go the actual anatomy of the skull wrong and the dimensions for the eyes are less than alien they're just wrong.
The rest of the 'Universe' to quote a fat ginger man is amazing. I hope Jim brings the pain on the CG team and gets them to fix this shit before December. -
The only element of wonder involved in Star Trek was wondering how long it took those two talentless fucks to write the 'script'.
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I was one who was underwelmed by the trailer on apple, but on the big screen you get a huge sense of depth. Trailer plays much better in the theater.
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That was one of the two shots that sold the CG to me.
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Finally. someone with a strong, technical point-by-point rebuttal to all the idiotic posturing. I seriously think many people on this Talkback lack a context regarding what's happening here.I think this is a 'game changer'— full fucking stop.
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It looks like SpaceJam! Should have had all the humans CGI too and then put out straight to DVD...
Seriously, the CGI does look great, but it still looks like CG next to all the real stuff. Hope the story and characters make me forget the super-giant manga eyes on those things - nicked from the other Avatar? -
Aug 21, 2009 4:02:44 AM CDT
and here I thought this was a movie "fan" site
by flying spaghetti monster
No wonder Harry doesn’t want to wade through this shit
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Yup, still looks fucking incredible.
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Weird, coz i just watched it again in HD and i keep wondering WHERE THE FUCK the 300 mill went..
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Why are you here? Genuine question. I hope you give a genuine answer.
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If it doesn't do it for you Star Trek and Transformers 2 are out on DVD soon.
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I may wait for the DVD or seeing that its fox ill torrent it of the web!
Why? Because I live in a primitive country (Ireland) i will only be able to see the 2D version in cinemas during its release. And going by the trailer it looks like a cartoon! I cant even hope the finished movie will be better in 3D because I wont ever be able to see it. So I think ill hang on to my cash , thank you!
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http://tinyurl.com/mtuv4v
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I mean, 'Avatar' is on the verge of changing the entire game.
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mop it up...
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Just giving you alternatives, you don't have to watch Avatar.
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Spoiler................................................................Sams character is put into a computer simulation in an experiment to find out what circumstances would a solder have to go through before going native and betraying his own race. He doesn’t know he’s in a simulator because he really wants to walk again and his mind just blocks out the fact that his entire environment looks like a FUCKING video game!!!…………….end spoiler
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Oh deary deary me.Three hundred million dollars re-making 'Dances With Wolves' using left-over mech suits from 'Aliens' and shonky-looking blue CGI elf-smurfs.Jimbo's lost the polt. Literally.
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I'll never mention it again.
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If this movie wasn't in 3D I would probably skip it and wait for the DVD.
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Some of the whining fawning wet little babies shrieking here because people are using their own brain and eyes to form a reasonal critical judgement only demonstrates that the additional cool 80 mill or so Fox must be spending on marketing really does buy consumer zombies...
Harry and his ilk are as much a part of that machinery as any hired publicist..its great they are enthusiasts but at the same time the want us to be SO grateful someone is making ANY kind of sci-fi or fantasy movie we should turn our brains off..of course its important to stay open minded..
OK so its NOT AWFUL...not by a long stretch but anyone here who is so self deluded as to not give a moments pause to wonder if Cameron (blue fairy cats and all) might not have possibly slightly dissapeared up his own wazoo...JUST A LITTLE??
The much more interesting conversation we should all be having is what constitutes 'real' in CGI....light..context..the way our eyes use imperfection, shadows and stuff to tell us what is believable.. Obviously Cameron is intentionally going for a 'hypereal' look..with a good story and characters that can obviously an 'immersive' experience..but its not the authenticity required that really helps draw us into empathizing with them as 'real' experiences..It's not about whether we've ever seen blue cat fairies..its whether we buy they are more than ones and zeroes..
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Where the FUCK do you come from with these quotes:
"The faces and hair in particular on the Na'vi just aren't right either. It's like they go the actual anatomy of the skull wrong and the dimensions for the eyes are less than alien they're just wrong. "
I just don't fucking get it. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NA'VI LOOK LIKE? DID YOU GO TO FUCKING PANDORA, OR DID YOU NOT LEAVE YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT? Some people need their head removed from their assholes. -
you just dont read my comments?
maybe now you'll get why the 'if you dont like it dont watch it' is a fuckin bitch pussy loser argument. You have your little opinion, i have mine...swallow it bitch. -
Makes quite a difference.
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we've seen lions and pussy cats..tails..tree's..horses galloping...stuff with weight interacting with light...
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but then what doesn't these days. If this film has no substance writing wise, then it will probably kill James Cameron for all his future big budget projects. Perhaps that would be a blessing. Filmmakers need to learn to be creative with budgets.
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I too saw the flaws in the CGI characters... but WTF!??? This teaser rocked! I mean: This is exactly the movie I ever wanted to see. I give a shit if I can see it's CGI or not. The story matters and from the teaser and the fact James Cameron is the director you can tell he will deliver an awesome story with this movie. It is not just 'Dances with Wolves in Space' as you can see. Look at this awesome strange creatures! He creates a whole planet and you guys talk about photorealism... how stupid is this! It's like criticizing Raiders of the lost Arc's Mate paintings or the Lord Of The Rings fight scenes. I give a shit if I can tell it's CGI because this movie will kick ass. Now go back to your Transformers shit and Michael Bay you morons. I believe in James Cameron, his vision and his storytelling. The teaser really moved me and can't wait for the whole ride. It's a James Cameron film GOD DAMN IT!
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yes, quite a few times..thanks. I'm sure it will look fantastic in 3D too...but i think the people busting blood vessels in defense of this trailer are simply NOT GETTING why others are irritated by the obviously intentional hypereal cartoon look...It aint got shit to do with blue fairies with tails.
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EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS WILL BE THERE ON DECEMBER 18TH, REGARDLESS. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ! Seriously, you think you're "THE MAN" dissing Avatar. It's YOUR FAULT you placed this film into STRATOSPHERE OF EXPECTATIONS. Some of you are the WORSE CRITICS ONLINE, anyways. I'm really looking forward to seeing this.
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... but still feels "cartoony." There just doesn't seem to be any weight to things. Hopefully after seeing the IMAX stuff tonight we'll get a better impression of things...
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more 'argument' from the anally and sexual discharge fixated minds of little tiny boys and their little willies..
who gives a fuck who is there opening day..'haters' or not? They might love it, they might fuckin hate it..its an utterly retarded bullshit moronic desperate comment..proves FUCK NOTHING, means FUCK NOTHING. You could be just as easily be wrong as anyone.
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Unfortunately I can't go and see it. There are still free tickets for the screenings tonight in Nurnberg (Germany).
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YOU PEOPLE IN TALKBACK ARE STUPID AS HELL!Some of the scenes looked CGI while other scenes are QUESTIONABLE.
STOP TALKING STUPID SHIT AND GET OFF YOUR PARENT'S COMPUTER, KIDS! -
Um, you're coming across as the cry-baby, not me. But yeah, whatever. Peace.
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Amazing!!!
Best visuals in the history of cinema. This movie will be packed at IMAX for years.
The highest skill set of filming that any human could possibly pull off.
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people have with the Na'vi.1.)We're NOT seeing it in context. 2.)Basing opinions on the entire film based on it's teaser seems knee-jerk and reactionary. I mean honestly, what are we looking at here? It's a collection of scenes that give a glimpse into the world of the film, but that glimpse is 2+ minutes for a film that is at least 2 hours long. Normal movie scenes last 4 to 6 minutes and this teaser is ⅓ of that if we use the higher number. So, it's not even the length of a scene that might include subtext and a breadth of emotional high and low points. 3.)What expectations are we looking at here? Cameron's quotes regarding 'breaking new ground' were about the digital capture system and translating actors performance into emotional and engaging synthespians. Maybe the believability factor of the CGI characters and how they can emote and relay a verisimilitude appropriate to their environment.
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The creatures, the look.
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going for the 10.000 posts record break again,are we?
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Basing opinions on the entire film using it's teaser…
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if making reasoned argument makes ME the baby then fuckin DIAPERS AHOY...im just fine thanks..i just dont feel i HAVE TO LOVE EVERYTHING i see..thats cool headed in my books.
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takes one to know one.
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relay a verisimilitude is appropriate to their environment.
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relay a verisimilitude that is appropriate to their environment.
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I don't need to go to Pandora you moron. Just look at them. Do they look right to you? The cockroaches in D9 look right to me and I've never seen them in real life. Nor have I been into space but that CGI look awesome. The Military walkers looked awesome, the flying creatures and heliplanes looked awesome. The Na'vi it pains me to say looked and moved lame. And anyway you 'tard I like it down here in ma's basement.
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Honestly, have you read some of these posts? Grammar, punctuation spelling - they're all over the shop. I'm astounded at the number of people on here who can't differentiate between 'your' and 'you're' or 'to' and 'too'.As for TYPING IN CAPITALS ALL THE BLOODY TIME - why do you do that? Seriously, why? It makes you look like a ADD tweener with a sugar-rush.Finally, the exclamation mark. You only need one. Ever. Multiples do not add further emphasis to your point, they just make you look like a cretin.Rant over, back to the Talkback. Seeing this film will be like watching somebody else play Halo. Vicarious videogaming. Hmm...I don't think so.
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of the Na'vi and not the CGI.
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i am just passing through here
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Things they should have left out of the trailer
1: Just after jake says "this is great!" the stupid smile and a bit of slow mo looked shite!
2: The CGI galloping horse things. really badly animated.
3: I dont know how they managed to make Sam Worthington look like a computer character when he wheels himself off the ship past the power loaders, whats up with that?
4: Avatar Sam looking over his shoulder at the beasty chasing him, everything about him was cartoony chothes and all. -
But, I've single framed the Avatar Sam/escaping beast thing. I don't see what you see.
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Nice one!
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...for hopefully a fun, good looking sci- fi action flick mixing real sets and actors and CGI stuff- looks entertaining, I believe the director has some previous experience of this kind of thing. I may pop into the cinema over the crimbo period with some mates to be entertained. What's everyone arguing about again?
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you're chocked full the brim of fanboy shit...
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In all truth and candor, I won't be there on opening day for the simple fact I am immune to hype and could give a fat flying pigs fuck about this polished turd film. Bright and shiny doesn't impress me. Star Trek was the film of the year for me because it was about the characters and their relationships, and special effects came a distant second. That's the problem with the modern era of film-making - it's banal. There is no emoting and characters come secondary to spectacle. Watching an actor yawn through a green-screen soundstage is painful.
There was more emoting and character interaction and emphasis on performance in Star Trek than any film I've seen in the last 10 God damn years. Spectacle is fine and well, but if Cameron can pull a performance from the actors, that's when I'll be impressed. -
sorry you talking about George Lucas now?
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I don't think you want to go there.
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You false messiah you, you are full of shit pal, the opening 10 minutes of Trek with George Kirks sacrifice had more heart and spirit than any film you can NAME.
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Sorry, there's nothing wrong with that. Or maybe you haven't noticed high budget blockbusters tend to have trailers that make the movie look better than it actually is. Cameron knew he had to deliver in these 2 minutes and if he failed, which is up to you to judge, there really are no excuses. I also find the whole argument that you have to watch it in Imax in 3D a bit weak. A good movie is a good movie. It may lose something in one way of presentation to another but unless it is enjoyable on only a very superficial level that shouldn’t matter.
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When the girl is crying. The facial details.
Quit bitching, all of you swine who want "Avatar" to be nothing more than a "Metal Gear" slaughterfest. It's not about you. Get the fuck over it. -
who gives a shit about the script?? Of course it was insipid and catered to 10th graders. But the key point is, it hit all the necessary beats.
What J.J. Abrams and every single actor did with a very average pedestriant script is what makes Trek shine.
There's been a many a fool-proof script on paper, that simply didn't translate well. -
Aug 21, 2009 6:16:32 AM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Aug 21, 2009 6:16:40 AM CDT
joshuavance1701/apple drops the ball
by the_ad_wizard_who_came_up_with_this_one
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Then you need to watch more movies.
Why can't apple manage to get the Teaser working? I thought this was a multi billion dollar operation. pretty embarassing. -
Aug 21, 2009 6:19:20 AM CDT
Then you need to watch more movies.
by the_ad_wizard_who_came_up_with_this_one
in relevance to "There was more emoting and character interaction and emphasis on performance in Star Trek than any film I've seen in the last 10 God damn years."
Pretty ridiculous, even for a fanboy. -
and guaranteeing, absolutely unequivocally guaranteeing, there won't be one single scene or moment in Avatar, of pure performance that remotely comes close to the two minute simple scene of young Spock Jacob Kogen having a father to son with Ben Cross. I'll guaran-fucking-tee it.
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I'd agree in theory, but I've had too many instances where the sound or picture quality took me out of the movie. Projectionists screwing up the anamorphic lenses or the sound system too soft and I can't really enjoy the experience. Might be a great movie, but if it's not presented properly, I'll go someplace else until I can see it as it was intended to be seen.
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Put your money where your mouth is and simply name one? Just one.
Name one fucking movie in the last 10 years of this genre, that emphasized performances to the extent Trek did. -
MORON FUCK YOU - AVATAR RULES
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A creation of genius! Still laughing now!
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for a filmmaker of Cameron's track record, is, well, somewhat shallow if your a fan of his movies. He's delivered the goods on multiple occasions.
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the Razzie awards. Fuck you salty taint. I'll laugh at you when this piece of shit bombs magnificently.
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"I could care less' or "I could give a fuck" when you quite clearly mean you couldn't?Baffling...
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Are you insane? How about There Will Be Blood, Good Night and Good Luck, everything the Cohens did, (man, 10 years is a loooong time) everything Lukas Moodyson did, everything Lars von Trier did, hell, i could name TV movies that "emphasized performances to the extent Trek did".
It's nice that you enjoyed your space movie, but this is just... retarded. Are you 11 years old?? -
Nice recovery.
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Particularly the first half and the fact there's no voice over is a blessing. However I get the impression Cameron is trying to combine Titanic with Aliens here. It doesn't seem hard sci fi, which I was hoping for. It seems more fantasty than anything I'm definitely getting a Pocahontas vibe with the story. Though in fairness to the haters, the longer the trailer goes on, the more it seems like a cartoon, which is very disappointing. I have a gut feeling that the cartoonish aspect will be less jarring as you watch the film and engage with the story. Ultimately I must admit the CGI is very impressive in parts but not quite there. My expectations have been lowered
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He's probably got one of the best track records in blockbuster filmmaking. Spielberg and Lucas have all had their fare share of turkeys. Lets give the guy credit where it's due and withold our judgement.
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Aug 21, 2009 6:34:57 AM CDT
THEY'RE CALLING THIS A TEASER, SO I HOPE WE GET A BETTER TRAILER
by carlthormark1978
Seriously, gentlemen, this movie is coming out in four months…..FOUR……and this is the first footage that anyone has seen while the general reaction across the interwebs has been “meh”. This “teaser” tells us absolutely NOTHING about the story apart from what we can gather from the visuals, that a crippled man has his mind placed into a giant-stoopid-looking Thundersmurf, is chased around by various animals, comes into contact with a female Thundersmurf and falls in love before the hole thing ends with a giant battle between the military and the Thundersmurfs. Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t expect audiences to come running to the theatre since the entire teaser was comprised of eye candy. I really hope that Cameron is working on a trailer, for the end of October, that reveals a bit more in the way of plot because all this one does is make it appear that this is a very simplistic story wrapped with CGI overkill. A good trailer gives you the general jist of the story but doesn’t map out the entire thing. The fact that everyone is calling this “Dances with Aliens” shows that Cameron has failed. This is supposed to be an “original” Sci-fi movie and if your audience already thinks that it’s plot is based on another movie then you have problems.
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The topic is this particular genre asshole. CGI heavy films. Evidently you need to re-read my posts, or learn to read, one or the other. Contrasting Star Trek to Patton, The Godfather, or Kramer vs. Kramer isn't the intention dickhead, it's contrasting Star Trek within the spectrum of the sci-fi CGI heavy genre- and my statement remains, Star Trek had more emphasis on character and performance than any film in the last 10 years.
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(I know; I apologize)
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..apart from Alanis Morissette; the person who wrote an entire song about irony without knowing what it is or how to use it.Rain on your wedding day isn't ironic, dear, it's merely unfortunate.And yes, I do know she's Canadian, I'm just being a cock. Anyway, I've just realised we've not actually heard anything from old Alanis for years. Marvellous, isn't it?
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Dude...excellent point! Will Avatar change the face of cinema? I don't care, hopefully it will be an entertaining two hours- hopefully!
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he makes ‘shallow’ movies, i.e. movies that impress through visuals rather than well-conceived characters, clever dialog or an involving script. He had 2 minutes, plenty of time for a trailer, to blow us away and he didn’t. He thought he could singlehandedly improve the quality of CGI to photorealistic but that claim obviously turned out to be false. I won’t be losing any sleep about it and yes, I will still see it in the theatre.
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we have emotional stuff like the crippled soldier who walks again and says with all that joy in his navi face: this is great.
his fright when he is chased by the beast
their rage when the navi are fighting the marines
neutiri crying over the body of someone
and ofc the end with the two having their love moment.
and all these wrapped into a scifi epic,with aliens,space marines,good vs evil,environmental and anti-imperialist messages,personal conflicts of the protagonist,super cool imaginary,visuals and special effects.
And the bastards here whine,shout,nitpick,trash,bash,hate a 2m compressed and resized teaser of a movie made by one of cinemas best scifi/action/storytelling directors.
i pity for you souls, because the screen preview will blow the mind of the people who will go to watch,especiall those who dont know much about the film,and on December the movie will be a huge success at least in the 3d cinema market.you have my sympathies. -
Perfectly said. That is my reaction as well... this looks to be far more on the fantasy side rather than on the SF side. I usually don't go for highly anthropomorphized aliens... My personal feeling is, if there are true aliens, they would not evolve in a mostly parallel way to humans.
But I guess to make the love story work the female alien had to be somewhat attractive and humanoid. I am interested to see what Cameron does with this material.
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Also, "Children of Men". Those films have an emotional weight to them.
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A minute ago it was superior to ANY film of the last 10 years. But it's okay, you can backtrack all you want. CGI heavy is a genre now? Or do you mean SF? Fight Club was 10 years ago, very CGI heavy and _definitely_ emphasized performance more than your spacemen with the pointy ears did. Sci-Fi: How about Moon? Only one guy in it and still it beats Star Treck by miles.
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A far more impressive title than plain old 'Avatar', wouldn't you agree?
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If I wanted to watch a video game I would pull out my old Atari games and play them. I guarantee it would be more fun than sitting through this "movie."
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Here in Sydney, I watched the quicktime this morning- felt disappointing. Just back from the preview screening at the biggest IMAX screen in the world. Totally mindblowing. keep the faith -the real thing will be worth the wait.
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because if not u will eat in you face for the rest of your lives,movies from directors like Bay and MCG.its the audiences power that change cinema,not the filmakers,because if they embarce turds like TF2 and not GOOD movies,then the industry will keep producing turds for movies.and at the end the audience gets what it deserves.
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"Dances With Thundersmurfs!"If I was chocolate, I'd eat myself...
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It looks good sure,but this has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hyped up,frankly looks like cgi cutscene from a videogame,think this tech needs another few decades before its seamless and photo realistic,not tryin to downplay Weta'a achievement here or anything but i can imagine a lot of dissapointment after all the promises or photo realism etc
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you tired little cunt, since film taste is entirely subjective, and all these forums exist for is to propogate arbitrary opinion - Star Trek IS the best movie of the last 10 years.
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and his famous "I don't make slices of life; I make slices of cake" comment. Cameron makes spectacles and uses amazing visual shorthand to describe his characters. That's from the VERY old school of Hollywood screenwriting. What makes his films relevant or 'shallow' is what the audience brings to them and juxtaposed against the current socio-political landscape they are released in.
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and his famous "I don't make slices of life; I make slices of cake" comment. Cameron makes spectacles and uses amazing visual shorthand to describe his characters. That's from the VERY old school of Hollywood screenwriting. What makes his films relevant or 'shallow' is what the audience brings to them, juxtaposed against the current socio-political landscape they are released in.
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Aug 21, 2009 6:51:23 AM CDT
ONE FUCKING LINE OF DIALOGUE!!! ONE. FUCKING. LINE!!!
by carlthormark1978
“This is great”.....how fucking inspired......I would have preferred it if the Thundersmurf made a fucking joke and said “I can haz Cheezburger?”
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s the perfect example of why those who say that the movie looks like a videogame cgi-wise,are idiots.
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then play with your actionfigures ; )
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Aug 21, 2009 6:56:14 AM CDT
WHY CAN'T THE THUNDERSMURF TALK LIKE FPS DOUG??? BOOMHEADSHOT!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Aug 21, 2009 6:58:13 AM CDT
Now all I need is a snappy one-liner like Motoko Kusanagi
by biggusdickus
Let's see...'Dances With Thundersmurfs - Underwhelming Your Eyeballs This December!'Or maybe 'Dances With Thundersmurfs - Watch Someone Else Play A Videogame - In 3D!'Or what about 'Dances With Thundersmurfs - Is That It, Jim?'
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Commenting on the design/CGI is not hating on it. It's easily the most exciting teaser this year. Just strange that such a key element could be given a pass.
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Aug 21, 2009 7:01:17 AM CDT
WATCH THIS VIDEO OF FPS DOUG AND TELL ME THAT YOU.....
by carlthormark1978
Wouldn't FUCKING KILL to see this guy playing the lead role instead of Worthington!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQFYceNZS8
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I think the tweens are going to lap this up as well as us sci-fi/Cameron geeks, although some of the battles maybe a bit hard core...
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The dumbasses bitching in talkback regarding Avatar can stop this film from succeeding. They feel so STRONGLY about what the teaser released. Otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PAY JAMES CAMERON! HE'LL JUST MAKE MORE AVATARS ! AND YOU LOSERS CAN KEEP BITCHING ! FUCKIN' JERKS !
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so we can agree that Cameron makes high quality entertainment instead of intellectual movies for cinephiles. That also means that it is fair to judge the movie on what it looks like. Well, I don’t think the CGI looks that good. Of course, that is a matter of opinion, but I think it was a mistake to make a whole action movie as a cartoon. That’s purely a question of technology: the Star wars prequels look less convincing than the original series which was made with a fraction of the budget.
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Aug 21, 2009 7:12:33 AM CDT
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/474/fpsthundersmurf1.png
by carlthormark1978
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put your tampon back in Mr Titanic
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Aug 21, 2009 7:17:07 AM CDT
EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH EACH
by carlthormark1978
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what kind of fucking little limp cocked pussy are you? take that pacifier out of your gargling little mouth and grow the fuck up.
If the film is actually good then it wont matter a fuck what you or I or ANYONE thinks...it will succeed on its own merits you half witted fuckhead...
If it sucks then SOMEONE ELSE will make a GOOD film, maybe even for HALF that dosh. Grow the fuck up, or go elope as Harry's bitch..like i care either way. -
Eyeball hymens still securely in place.
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Its no wonder it took America so long to embrace Japanese Animation over the stupid LOONEY TUNES AND HANNA BARBARAS. YOU FUCKTARDS HAVE NO CULTURE! THIS TALKBACK IS NOTHING BUT THE TRYOUTS FOR THE NEXT BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD FLICK!
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Its a TEASER trailer. Why were so many of you expecting anything more than this from a teaser?
It looks great judging from the small footage we actually get to see. It will look even better in 3D IMAX.
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Avatar looks spectacular. Thank God we still have him out there making movies everyone wants to see. This time around he'll be hailed as King of the universe.
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Feel his righteous indignation! Suffer his wrath!
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Aug 21, 2009 7:38:23 AM CDT
Wow - what happened to "revolutionary" and "quantum leap forward
by jackrabbitslim
Even the Cameron-apologists are reverting back from the inane hyperbole. I'm sure it'll be quality entertainment - but the discovery of the Library of Alexandria this sure as fuck ain't.
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That this film and the video game where developed in close partnership speaks volumes about what we're seeing in the film trailer. Which is basically a higher quality and more emo version of the game trailer. There's no sense that this will be a cinematic game changer in the way that T2 was with judicious, and limited, use of cgi which was ahead of the curve. Although I'll reserve final judgement when the film comes along of course.
Cameron's always been interested in the frailty of humanity it seems. He's done the mech vs alien thing before in Aliens, and of course it looks like we're gonna be rooting for the alien this time. But that one scene with Riply was so raw... can he summon that feeling again with this? We'll see I guess.
For all that, the visuals do look f@%king amazing.
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Can I have some too?
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What cracks me up is all the whiners play video games to be someone else, probably in combat and Cameron has forged an experience where it's a reality. Would you want the lead character to steal a car and shoot cops instead? Cameron wins again.
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BOOM! Headshot!
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Aug 21, 2009 7:44:42 AM CDT
Alanis' arguement is it's ironic there is no irony in "Ironic"
by jackrabbitslim
And thats the point of the song. Which makes really no sense at all. As for why Miss Morisette isn't having hits at all shes gone on to a new career- didn't she Win The Preakness and Place at the Breeders Cup?
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Aug 21, 2009 7:48:34 AM CDT
"forged an experience" is what I think when I see that CGI
by jackrabbitslim
A very apropos phrase for that obvious rendering
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All I can say is that it definitely from the trailer has the feeling of James Cameron's other films. When he puts his face to the glass and says "This is great" that waaaas great. Cameron always knew how to get a lot of impact whilst having relatable characters that did not take themselves too seriously. This film will take things up a notch. Yes maybe similarities to Lucas' recent work but just as Cameron took Ridley Scott's "Alien" to a whole new level with "Aliens"so can he with an CG animated film. At the end of the day there is the story... and nothing else that will make this special.
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So, sort of a post-ironic pseudo-irony thing, then? Awesome!
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the guy who edited the teaser trailer is tied to a chair in a dank basement somewhere getting punched in the face by Cameron while Rothman standing in a dark corner smoking cigarettes looking on says " thats enough Jim save your knuckles use the blowtorch again" Jim says to the gagged man who is crying "now tell me which studio payed you to use unfinnished footage.. TELL ME!!" *whack*
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Looks like one of those crappy Star Wars cartoons...way too fake lookin CGI.
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James Cameron is tied to a chair in a dank basement somewhere getting punched in the face by his Mum while Kathryn Bigelow standing in a dark corner smoking cigarettes looking on says " thats enough Doris save your knuckles use the blowtorch again" Mrs. Cameron says to the gagged Jim who is crying "now tell me why you hyped this piss-poor Dances With Thundersmurfs nonsense to high heaven for the last few years.. TELL ME!!" *whack*
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When James Cameron said, years ago, that his new movie was going to be a sci-fi lovestory between 10-foot tall blue alien creatures -- I thought he was kidding.
There's definitive evidence the visuals are going to be explosive, on the other hand there's a weird Dances With Wolves dynamic going on here and for some reason the trailer brings back painful memories of George Lucas' Star Wars Episode 1 and Peter Jackson's King Kong.
My expectations have been lowered and if this were directed by anyone other than James fucking Cameron I would seriously consider not seeing this.
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Will be funnier than your moon landing stuff from a few weeks ago.
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James Cameron never really hyped this movie - sites like AICN did.
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You ought to get me started on 'global warming'...
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James Cameron is sitting on his throne laughing his ass off while his phone keeps ringing with people calling to congratulate him.
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Aug 21, 2009 8:15:51 AM CDT
that looked fucking awesome! beware of haters on AICN
by the_one_man_gang
That looked great- it is just too bad that you fucking fat and retarded "movie experts" cant look at quality and know it for what it is. a far as im concerned you fucking faggots on this site are almost always wrong about movies, and are always sure you could have done better, when you cant even hold down a job at subway. first off, this is a teaser, and it already looks better than district 9. fuck you losers.
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your problem with cameron is that his movies cost too much??? are you paying his salary or his budget or something? has he stolen money from you or owe you?
really mate if you hate cameron because his movies are expensive,then there is something wrong with you.apart from the fact that avatar doesnt cost 300m as you claim (unless you are his logistic),there a lot of other directors who make movies with budgets as big as those of camerons.i dont see criticizing them.
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he is an attention whore thats all.
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Is that I'm not sure there's sufficient consensus for you to be wrong about.
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Guilty. And thanks for pandering to me.Next!
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My thumb is already pointed southward!!!!!
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Concrete evidence should never be allowed to stand in the way of a heated, misinformed argument.
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I'm avoiding this talkback bc I've got tickets to see the 16 minute preview in IMAX tonight and I wanted my first glimpse at the film to be that, not a trailer on my computer.
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I want JC's neck!!!!!
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What made you change your mind?
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Poll Results: YES: 72% NO: 28%
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...on a fucking cartoon!Come in James Cemron, your time is up.
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I'm Chris Hansen. Why don't you take a seat.
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Aug 21, 2009 8:31:11 AM CDT
President Cameron, The Country is Under Attack !!!!!!!!!
by chief redcock
"Send in the Blue Thundersmurfs!!!!!!"
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I respect James Cameron, his Art, his Vision, his Work. It`s not everyones style or colours, but it is amazing and creativity. thank you mr. cameron to let us joining your vision. And give us unforgettable 2 hours in cinema...
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They took me to the moon and showed me the evidence. Then they took me to Pandora and showed me the real Thundersmurfs. They weren't half upset at James Cameron for making them look crap.
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For fuck's sake, this movie "Black Swan" featuring hungry, angry sex bt Natalie and Mila has the potential to be the GREATEST MOVIE EVER. Why can we not debate this? WHERE'S THE TALKBACK?!
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Aug 21, 2009 8:33:28 AM CDT
$300 MILLION COULD'VE BOUGHT A TACO FOR EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHIL
by bringingsexyback
in America. With change left over to feed Ethiopia. Just putting that number into perspective for you.
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Natalie Portman angry lezzie sex???? It's win/WIN!!!!
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Fuck you gooveassraider!
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Just in time for this talkback!
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The purpose of the trailer is to climatize the viewer for what is to come. This is just a smal part of an introduction so viewers will be able to watch the movie with familiar faces. What you have just seen is only the way to get to the party.
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It's why I wake up with wood every morning.
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Its epic win all around. But this is AICN. You know there's some nut out there who will claim he has no interest in such a thing. And then we'll know who we can't trust in the upcoming all out Talkback War.
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Aug 21, 2009 8:38:51 AM CDT
VADER - NO GOOD IS CURRENTLY THE BANDWAGON'S DESTINATION
by bringingsexyback
Choooo Chooooo!!!!!
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Aug 21, 2009 8:39:58 AM CDT
LOCKE MAY TAKE THE CONTRARIAN VIEW ON PORTMAN LEZZIE SEX
by bringingsexyback
But that's to be expected, and embraced.
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10 years later, and the CGI still takes you out of the experience.
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Aug 21, 2009 8:41:14 AM CDT
I'VE DREAMT OF FUCKING NATALIE PORTMAN SINCE SHE WAS 13
by bringingsexyback
I was 14 so that's okay.
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Not because I distrust his views on hot lesbo action between Natalie "My Godess" Portman and Mila Kunis, but because lockes is a unpredictable looney. But a funny looney at that.
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Cloning is where it's at.
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That would explain a lot.
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Is this a record?
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Aug 21, 2009 8:46:38 AM CDT
I SUPPORT HEALTHCARE REFORM BECAUSE NATALIE SUPPORTS IT
by bringingsexyback
Otherwise I don't care much for death panels and a Nazi/Communist takeover of America.
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Give it another day.
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It was ok. Nothing great. Sorta meh. It seemed like 2 totally different movies, one with sci fi crap, and one with blue elves. Even when these disparate elements were in the same scene, it felt as if the wall in the theater-Plex 10 between a fantasy movie and a sci fi movie had vanished, leaving both screens visible at the same time.
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In every grot flick I've ever seen they get bored with each other the moment a bloke comes into the room. They can't start smoking the bone quick enough.
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Where 13 virginal Natalie Portmans await you.
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I'm registered to see the Avatar footage today, but after seeing the teaser, I think I'll pass, and go see Inglourious Basterds instead....anyone else considering doing this?
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Cept me.
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I must run off to work for a bit and meet a fellow talkbacker for drinks in the afternoon. Dream of Natalie. In Bale's name.
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Aug 21, 2009 8:52:46 AM CDT
LATER Y'ALL - GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO JUSTIFY THE PAYCHECK
by bringingsexyback
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Thanks for solving my tagline conundrum from earlier. I have now settled on: 'Dances With Thundersmurfs - Half Sci-Fi Crap, Half Blue Elves!'Coming to a theatre near you this December!
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Not a fan. I usually like girls who look more like girls rather then little boys.
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The amount of posts for Avatar compared to the others is comparable to how the box-office will play out. Cameron wins again.
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You spent how much money on this movie Cameron???? C'mon!!! Half of this trailer looks like shitty video game animation. And the tagline of "From The Director of The Titanic"..wtf?!! That's the only major movie( not including the IMAX movies) he has done in the past 12 years. Did the marketing people just forget about Terminator and Terminator 2, True Lies, or Aliens? It just plainly looks like a video game. I wonder if the video game looks any better?
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Aug 21, 2009 9:04:45 AM CDT
OK, I've watched it again. Cameron's just out of touch.
by fluffyunbound
That's the real problem. Cameron is even older than me, and I'm almost out of touch, so he's probably totally out of touch by now. And he just seems totally unaware of the way his vision here has been cockblocked by the bad art of others. You don't create things in a vaccuum. This trailer is why you shouldn't try. People above keep saying, "D9 was more convincing because it took an easier path" and "You guys are just mad because the CGI is clear and not gritty or dirty". Well, yeah. Both of those statements are true, but they aren't an argument. It's Cameron's job to convince me his vision is real. It's not my fault if he deliberately handicapped himself by overreaching. When I say that he needed to be aware of how others were cockblocking him, this is what I meant: Say he had a great artistic vision for the way he wanted this world to look and how he wanted to create / "film" it. It doesn't matter how great his total digital environment is if Lucas already did a shitty version. It doesn't matter how great his vision is if it looks too much like the kitchy unicorn art every stupid and tasteless chick in America has had on her school backpack for twenty years. It doesn't matter how great his artistic vision for the landscape is if every video game has used "ethereal" landscapes that look like Bierstadt paintings as cut scenes for fifteen years. You just can't transcend all that shit and make it work. Fucking Michaelangelo couldn't rise above all that package and make it work. The reason filmmakers hide their CGI as best they can like in D9 is to avoid the negative associations the audience has for total CGI that right now CAN NOT be overcome by anyone less than fucking God. The reason filmmakers put "grit" on everything now is because if you don't, it immediately looks like Ferngully and that CAN NOT be overcome. If the final movie comes out and Cameron in fact does overcome the handicaps he's put on himself here, then he is a fucking god. And I just don't think he can do it. The only explanation is that he's out of touch and just isn't aware of the way the Lucas backlash has alienated audiences from this "look"; maybe he has never played a video game so has no idea that the floating islands look like a cut scene. I don't know; I'm grasping for an explanation here. But if he makes this work he'll be more than a good filmmaker; he'll be a guy who can blow away the entire category of kitsch by his own talent, and that will be fucking impressive if it happens.
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Does this look like? Point me in the right direction
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You would though, wouldn't you? And Keira Knightly, too.
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The more I see them the less irritating they are,just need to get used to them I guess
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I just came back from a press screening of the 3d footage. It's absolutely spectacular. I am not even going to elaborate. But the trailer you watched, is just that: A blurry, crappy 2D version of something intended to be seen in 3D. But even when I took the glasses off, everything was awesome. Is it better than Gollum from Lord of the Rings? Answer: Yes. A LOT better. Cameron wins this hands down, and you dumbasses just wasted your ENTIRE uneventful day, getting worked up over nothing. Haha, I laugh. But the last laugh will be Cameron of course, because this baby will probably cross 1 billion world wide. Mark my words, At the very latest, In december, you will ALL be proven wrong. Not just Wrong, but predictably so. How many times have people doubted Cameron and he won? Well, when my asshole was being blown away by the footage, ALL I could think was: That's why he is Cameron, and that's why AICN talkbackers are AICN talkbackers. Nuff said. Cya losers.
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tonight and see it on the IMAX...spineless bitches.
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Great story. Great actors. Great action. Great CGI. It all adds up to a great movie. Kind of makes you feel sad for everything else coming out in the next year. Just watch the dozens of cheap imitations it will spawn. Judginging by the trailer, it's nice to see a Cameron movie will once again exceeded audience expectations.
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...so how come the CGI Kaminoans still look a shit-load more convincing than these shonky Thundersmurfs?
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Yes,the 3d effect is great...but it still looks like a cartoon world:(
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Yes,the 3d effect is great...but it still looks like a cartoon world:(
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Yes,the 3d effect is great...but it still looks like a cartoon world:(
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Aug 21, 2009 9:24:13 AM CDT
So some guys pointed out that it looks like a game...
by salamanderjones
...possibly like a next gen one.
Let's just try comparing the teaser footage to James Cameron's Avatar: The Game then, of which ign has just released some ingame footage.
This is the PS3 version btw: http://tinyurl.com/nllyxh
Do ya still think the movie footage looks like some next gen video game? Yes? Then you must have shit for brains!
I agree with most of you though the cgi only looks slightly better than what I consider to be state of the art (PotC 3, LotR, etc.). In any case the teaser got me pretty psyched about this movie and look forward to seeing it come december
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Cmaerons people are definitely examining this talkback. I have one thing to say to them - THIS THING SUCKS BIG TIME!!! this is gonna be the biggest flop of the freakin decade. What a load os bullshit. You've wasted the last three years and $300m on this pile of Ni'Vi shit. OMG I cant beliecve how lame this looks and will be.
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I WILL!!!! Damn You haters!!!!
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micro ascii art to go with your micro penis and brain.
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WE'VE BUILT UP ALL THE HYPE. Aside from Worthington coming out of nowhere for Terminator Salvation, I haven't seen or heard a word in mass media about Avatar. Fanboys know, of course.
What we'll know after Avatar is over is that James Cameron jumped the shark after Titanic. Avatar will be proof. Titanic was a shitty movie and none of us pop in the DVD and watch it from time to time. None of us are going to get the blu ray when it comes out.Fox knows it has a stinker on its hands and needs the free 3D screening to salvage this thing. The 3d WILL blow people away, for anyone who's ever seen an Imax 70mm 3D film like Everest or hell, even Captain Eo. I wonder if Cameron decided to go 3D after watching the dailies. -
he cant be serious with the design of those aliens. hilariously lame. my eyeballs should start charging a fee.
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Judging by the railer, another massive success no doubt!
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"Cmaerons people are definitely examining this talkback"Why the fuck would he listen to you? You can't even spell his name."OMG I cant beliecve how lame this looks and will be."Fail.
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It’s incredible everyone was GO CAMERON until yesterday and then a less than 2 minute clip with 3 words of dialogue comes along and it’s now cool to bash Avatar. It’s annoying and really shows off the knee-jerk ignorance of movie fans. Cameron has said from day 1 this movie is designed as an immersive experience. Sitting in a theater watching the full movie will be a HUGE leap from watching a 2 minute clip on your crappy 15” laptop screen, add 3D and I can still see it as being an incredible experience. I’m amazed at how detailed the fully CG world is, the facial expressions are phenomenal, it really look impressive (just look at the reflection of the fire on her face in that one shot - insane!). I hate to bring up a such a cliche but really - don’t judge a book by its cover… Hell, what we have here isn’t even the cover, it’s the spine and it’s by an author who “gets [your] instant respect”. To say your instantly turned off is a little ridiculous… The whole movie world went a little stupid yesterday. It’s hyped itself for years for this movie and then based on a few scenes via computer screens let out a collective “boo-hoo for me this won’t change my life I just know it!”. Were the people who have seen the extended footage in a theater just stupid? Because the resounding conclusion of those screenings are it’s pretty freaking amazing. I guess we’ll see tonight when a huge number of people will get to experience parts of this movie the way they were intended. Okay, rant over. I’m not trying to be mean to anyone, but I think people just need to realign their expectations for Avatar instead of attack it for doing… nothing but showing a couple of clips in an inferior medium, not the way it was meant to be delivered.
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Cameron would be reading this talkback if it weren't for the tears in his eyes from laughing at the doubters.
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...this will be awesome!
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I've watched multiple times. The "This is great" moment is the only part that I think looks stupid. I hope their faces don't always look that silly. Otherwise, I think it does look pretty revolutionary. Anyone complaining about the CG must complain about every single movie ever made that uses CG, because its imporessive. It's another world people, things aren't going to look exactly like they do on Earth. It's not perfect, but I do think its an enormous step forward from what I can see. I'm sure the 3D is the final element that brings it togther into true awesomeness. I'm not convinced itll fuck my eyeballs, but I know I'll be impressive. I tihnk genuine sound in the trailer would go a long way. I feel like that is holding people back, that fast montage at the end having no sound or really, music at all, is a strange choice, just that scifi pounding. Once we see all the elemnts working together, I don't think too many people will continue to complain like this. The trailer isn't a good representation of the full package, I don't think.
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Anyone else that got tickets? Maybe we had it early here in australia. but anyway as shit as the trailer looks it really do work much better on the big screen and in 3d. sure it doesn't look completely realistic, but then again we are looking at 15 foot tall blue guys running around a glowing forest. I don;t know how realistic that is ever going to look. but it sure was prrdy. and when they are actually talking and emoting it is much easier to suspend disbelief.
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I do still worry that no matter how great it really is, it still won't make all its money back and be deemed a failure. Anything this big and this hyped almost has no choice but to be a failure to some degree. But with a budget that high, and ticket prices where they are, especially for 3D IMAX showings, I just don't think families and teens will be seeing it more than once, and thats a huge fucking problem. This almost requires intense repeat viewings, and I don't think its gonna get it. Titanic, tickets were still 5 or 6 bucks, this is gonna be in the 10-15 range for one ticket. Family of 4? That's a really expensive experience. It'll be a family eveent for a few weeks, but no one will be coming back. I don't see it recouping 300 million. Maybe with international gross included.
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The trailer isn't meant to be the full package. It's just to groom the audience into the idea of of what makes the story possible.
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...will be rememberd as the year when Cameron would have won another Oscar, if it weren't for his ex-wife.
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Stop taking things so literally, guys...I don't think anyone really thinks this looks like a video game. They're just exaggerating to make a point. The CGI is probably better than Gollum, but it does NOT beat Davy Jones.
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I can't wait until this movie is done with, and the film community can all move on to something else.
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Anybody going to that one? See you there assholes!
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90% of them are just trolling. It's all in good fun.
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Naw man I wouldn't. Also they both seem like HUGE HUGE fucking bitches and I can stand that. I don't play the game. Plus I think in the end it wouldn't be good. Skinny chicks just kind of suck in the bed.
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Sweet baby Jesus! Anybody know what the record is? This talkback is fucking my eyeballs!
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you're still condemning this film for being all style and no substance BASED ON A TWO MINUTE TEASER that includes exactly one line of dialogue. are you insane?also: Minority Report, AI, Solaris, Children of Men, The Prestige, Moon, A Scanner Darkly, etc...
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with the tiny dicks and the mother who didn't love you, you thrive on negativity. The Navi look a tad cartoony, Pandora looks amazing, and the movie looks friggin unbelievable. Like a sci-fi lovers wet dream. Like Lord of the Rings meets Aliens on steroids.
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just watch out those STDs.
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Did anyone see the live MST 3000 Plan 9 From Outer Space last night? I forgot about it entirely. Now back to your Cameron bashing/love-in...
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It's the Gary Oldman drops a BATMAN talkback and it's still there. You got a ways to go, bud.
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of the live show last night...
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It's amazing how difficult it is for some to just sit back and allow others to express their opinion on something. That you guys get so bent out of shape because someone isn't as impressed by something as you is almost creepy.
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Hey my mother loves me, she told me this morning when she woke me up and made me breakfast and drove me to work. And even she thinks this movie looks like a cartoon. And she liked Watchmen.
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looking bit. The first shot of the walker/APC/AMP suit whatever it's called. That looks really unfinished. But hey, it's the teaser, and all the other shots of the same thing look better. Not that I've frame-by-framed it like many nerd haterz here...
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YOUR MOM NEEDS TO STOP JUDGING THE MOVIE ON THE TRAILER!!! SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS WRITTEN OFF EVERYTHING JAMES CAMERON HAS DONE OR EVER WILL DO OR FOR THAT MATTER ANYTHING ANYONE WILL EVER DO BASED ON THIS PREVIEW!!! AND SHE'S LYING ANYWAY, SHE'S OBVIOUSLY BLOWN AWAY BUT CAN'T ADMIT IT!!!
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If my mom knew I was on the computer she would kill. She seems to think that there is some sort of robot sent from the future out to kill me. She calls it a Transformer. Ohhh look they just delivered a new Mountain Dew vending machine for our break room!
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Why does it need to look real?
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If you really misspell the name of AVATAR's Director you come up with "Camaron." Camaron is Spanish for "shrimp." Some people call shrimp "prawns." "Prawn" is the name people call the aliens in DISTRICT 9. Coincidence?
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Is it just me?
James Cameron, go and make cutscenes for videogames, but wait...
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Double Doh!
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I'll wait for the movie to have an opinion, really.
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More. Give me more. Much more. It's looks beautiful. I've VERY intrigued by what I just saw.Also, AICN Talkbackers are growing increasingly more insane. Sometimes, I don't understand the lot of ya.
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when the eyeball fucking starts.
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If Cameron wants to make a movie that looks real, it should look real
And this definitely looks plastic as plastic can.
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are so far up Cameron's ass that you've convinced yourselves this looks good. The man has made some great movies but seriously, how can anyone not think that CGI looks like shit. It looks like nasty smegma. The guys who are comparing it to Final Fantasy are insulting some far superior CGI effects work. I was so excited for this movie until I saw this trailer and realized that the hype is just a bunch of fan-boy spunk being tossed at the director and not based on anything substantial from the footage. Really? They had to invent a new type of camera for this? What a joke. Anyone defending this trailer is delusional.
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Holy shit.
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"Skinny chicks just kind of suck in the bed"But isn't that a good thing?
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It's absolutely not.
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Speaking as someone who wasnt following the hype and not that much on tenterhooks about it, I have to now say this looks great I may 'have' to see it, although as my heading says, isn't the plot familiar?
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do baby want attention? awww, mommy not give you enough hugs?
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It really, really, really, really, really is. Fucking sad. Cameron, you really fucking know how to mislead people by hiring them to say that your 'toon fest is revolutionary.
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Aug 21, 2009 12:12:27 PM CDT
Thunder...*shling* Thunder!... *shrong* THUNDER!! ...THUNDERCAT
by slimby
(sorry couldn't resist)
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Aug 21, 2009 12:12:38 PM CDT
Thunder...*shling* Thunder!... *shrong* THUNDER!! ...THUNDERCAT
by slimby
(sorry couldn't resist)
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It doesn't need to look real. Comic books don't look real. The original King Kong always looked like shit, but was great anyway. Jaws didn't look real. That thing in LOTR didn't look real. Nothing ever looks real. Even a movie with no FX can't look real, because it's not reality. It's only a movie and movies, after they've been viewed are evaluated first and foresmost by how it made you feel. The emotional content. Why the hell do you think people could tolerate the bad animation of Southpark? Because what you see takes the backseat to what ou feel. You could watch the most real looking CGI adventure of all time, but without emotions it's like watching an empty roller-coaster. A movie this big, this original, can't be marketed like your average movie. That trailer serves the same purpose as a training level on a new video game. Now that we've gone through it, we are primed for the adventure to begin. And that's all the screening tonight is for, it's a primer for an experience unlike any other. Just like the foundation you put on a wall before you actually paint.
The editing of the trailer is genius story telling through pictures without words. Try watching the Wolfman trailer with the sound off and see how far you get. Cameron is a master in the truest sense of the word. His stories are universal and timeless. The scope of his vision reaches far beyond spectacle. If you don't get it, that's okay, but maybe one day, you'll have an idea for a movie and on that day, as you sit down to begin writing out your idea, the room you're in will suddenly become filled with darkness. And every direction you look there is more darkness. And only then will you realize you are in the shadow of Avatar. The aroma you'll smell will be coming from that little fart of an idea you had. Good luck Stinky. -
According to TIME it was pushing $200 million in March. How much more have they've spent since then? Citations?
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(and for a third time, I couldn't resist)
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seriously unless you are monetarily invested in the film...dont worry about it...they are raising ticket prices to the films to $50 so shut the fuck up..every penny is on that screen...unlike a bay-fest.
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... over the cost of this film. This worries me. It should worry everyone. But of course I shouldn't tell other people what to worry about.
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I can't believe some of you don't think this looks good. Do yourself a favor and watch this two minutes of footage back to back with ANY scene in FF, and realize how retarded you really are. Complaining about this footage is like complaining about every CG movie ever. Close ups of the female Navi look shocking like a person in makeup. Furthermore, the scale of the CG in this movie makes it even more impressive. The environments look more real than most Hollywood sets. Watch the footage tonight, guarantee you'll be singing a different tune.
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You get to hear their hips crack and everything!
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It's 'ThunderSMURFS', ffs! Keep up!
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Dude!... that was talkback GOLD.
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Jive talkin' N'avi. Ya know, for comic relief. Guaranteed 400 mil.It blows my ever loving mind Trans2 has made that much in the US alone....amazing.
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I'm off to save a PLANET!!!
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Don't forget your skanky Thundersmurf 'ho...
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I wish I meant what you were implying. But no I wasn't. The only skinny chick that could get it is Naomi Russell (all her weight went to that ass), google her...but not at work.
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—that included R&D. There may have been slight delays, or reworking of scenes, but the performance-capture was finished in 2007, I believe. The money was pretty much allocated from the beginning. The budget might have crept up, but nowhere near $300 million. FOX would have to find a partner at that budget range, as $200 million is stretching it for a company going alone.
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Hahaha...um, no. No one can take you seriously when you state that every story in the future is going to pale "in the shadow" of Avatar. And, by the way, film is a medium of visuals AND sound, not just images. There's nothing wrong or inferior about the two working together.
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after all is said and done. If it was at $200 mil in March, that doesn't seem too far-fetched. Not only will they be working through November (another 9 months of paying everyone), they also hadn't spent any money on marketing or advertising yet, at that point. Regardless, it will be one of the most expensive movies ever made, after adjusting for inflation.
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She shoots arrows at choppers really well. But I've often wondered how the heck I'll own up to actually being a tiny dude way up in orbit...hmmmm
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It could be the first shot of a train coming right at you in 1898 or Avatar. The simple fact is you will be asked to pay for your expectations.
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Darn right it will. Every sci-fi loon in the country will be lining up 5 days before this movie opens, and I think it'll find a very solid audience to play to. I have no idea if it will be the biggest moneymaker of all time, but that's irrelevant. It was Cameron's dream to make this and I'd be very happy to shell out my money to see what he's managed to come up with.
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lets just talk about women?
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Skinny chicks, average chicks, and chubby chicks. Obeseoids are to be avoided, but if that's all there is then have at it. You wouldn't turn down that super sized McDonald's meal if you were stranded in the middle of nowhere and that was your only option, would you?
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That's just silly.
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Why is it so hard for Cameron fanboys to accept that nothing about the quality of this movie is a fact? Yes, people can have honest opinions about whether something looks real or if the world is cheesy, without being trolls. There's no rulebook for great cinema - there's just taste. Don't be so self-centered that you think all movie fans or even all sci-fi fans should be like you and bow down to this "experience like no other."
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Inevitable "Sci Fi Movie"? People in makeup or bad cg?
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You make excellent points, sp. in regards to the original King Kong and South Park. But what about when the effects take you out of the "suspension of disbelief" mode the movie has lulled you in? How many complained that one of the major flaws of I Am Legend was the CGI work on the "vampires"? And how much better it would have been with practical effects? Yes, the whole movie viewing experience is suspension of disbelief, everything IS fake. But bad acting, or bad direction or writing would take us out of the movie, just as bad effect work would.
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We're the planeteers... you can be one too. Saving our planet is the thing to do! Looting and polluting is not the way... hear what Captain Planet...has to say!"THE POWER IS YOURS!"
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...looks pretty cool to me. But I haven't been reading all the hype to maybe I just didn't have the same expectations as everyone else.
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...looks pretty cool to me. But I haven't been reading all the hype to maybe I just didn't have the same expectations as everyone else.
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They've been IN PRODUCTION on this behemoth for over almost 3 years now. Principal photography began back in April of 2007. How much did Transformers cost? I think it can be reasonably expected to cost twice as much as that, given the incredible amount of work that is going into Avatar.
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Has everyone seen the nipple slip? When the girl blue alien is riding the flying dragon things, there are multiple shots of her nipple. Can't believe you fanboys haven't pointed this out yet. I'm disappointed in you guys. Seriously.
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You will want to FIRE EVERYTHING!
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once you add up marketing and distribution costs, you may not be too far off..
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It's more likely than you think.
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My post was directed toward any narrow minded person who wants to judge a movie because he doesn't approve of the skin color of a character (blue or otherwise) or how real something that doesn't exist looks. As per sound...The job of sound in film is to compliment the picture. You tell the story through pictures, composition and editing. Sound supports it, but in no way should it tell the story, that would be another medium known as television. There will be many other movies as good if not better than Avatar, they just won't originate from a person who believes the quality of CGI is the foundation for timeless story telling.
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Dude - you can't come in 3 minutes after me and try to claim victory on being the first to catch the nipples. I win. I'm the biggest nipple slip nerd. You lose.
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Was found like 10 minutes after the trailer was seen yesterday.
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I just wanted to post something retarded. Also, as Series7 said... nipple was already found yesterday.
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.. the trailer launched. I was just at the beach all day and didn't feel like posting it. So i still win on nipple slips.
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Aug 21, 2009 1:36:34 PM CDT
Na'vi milk better than Cambodian breast milks? Diddy Want!
by turketron_2
Breeeaaaasst milk.... you make my daaaayyyeeeyaaaayyy.
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I agree with you. We tend to expect a movie to be flawless and react to an off moment like a bruise on a piece of fruit. And considering movies cost a standard price, by comparison to a fruit Cameron is giving us a three course meal. I highly doubt he, being regarded as an ego-maniac, would spend years on a project and then decide to make something sub-par. Take a look at the Talkback for the people who have seen the footage today. I think it's Sony, I could be wrong, regardless a mega-corporation has decided to tie itself in with the campaign for this movie. They would't do that unless that had seen the movie and knew what they were getting into.
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Don't you mean that sound telling a story would be know as "radio"? Television is pretty much the same thing as film. There aren't a lot of people saying that this FILM will suck because the visuals aren't up to everyone's expectations - they're saying that the visuals themselves are disappointing. And no, visuals themselves don't 100% make a film good or bad, but they certainly count for a gigantic portion. I for one don't enjoy watching movies that don't have interesting visuals...that doesn't mean they're not good stories - it's just taste.
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and that isn't verified. That's not even close to $300 million. Hell, that's not even close to "Spider-Man 3." (apparently it went to $258 million)These figures represent a degree of exaggeration and speculation, simply because in the accounting books, the tentpole movie's profits will, in theory, offset the cost of non-performing movies from the studio. So, the numbers are skewed, not charting the negative cost of the movie (the cost of the actual film negative), but what the studio charges to the film.So, $400 million wouldn't be the negative cost of the movie, because at this time it's doubtful that any single studio could afford that kind of risk.
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Television doesn't have time or budget to visually convey the story the way a movie does. On TV characters talk about how they feel, what they've done or what they're going to do next. There are similarities, but they are very diferent animals. TV is considered radio with pictures.
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mega dissapointment with the naavi, the animation on scooby doo was better. agk! now it has the same appeal to me as waterworld did, I hope they fix those suckers.
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blue furries
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Ironically, for me, it's none of the BIG PLANETARY SHOTS, but more subtle and subdue shots, like that shot with the hero face half covered with shadows looking and smiling when he sees his avatar.I think it's too early yet to say if this movie really looks great or is plastic. If somebody said this images shown in the trailer are still "beta" versions of the final product, i wouldn't be too suprised. But really, it will take me a bit more then this to be rereally awed and justify from me a big entuhusiasm. to tell you the truth, the trailer for Moon gave me much more anticipation and expectations then Avatar's. And that's not the best feelings to have about this movie, is it?
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if I said that the battles weren't impressive. I'd also be lying if I said that the Navis weren't a HUGE disappointment. But what's pissing me off is the Stalinist revisionism that apparently Cameron never said all the frankly stupid things he's said about how amazing this movie's going to be. Just admit it, the guy shoots his mouth off a LOT.
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Great actors? Great story? You have got to be kidding me.
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Every time a director claims to have achieved photo-realistic CGI, their movie would have been more impressive if shown a little out of focus.
If a director has achieved something special, they’ll allow it to take the audience by surprise. They don’t start bragging about it months or even years prior, and they definitely wouldn’t have released this awkward montage of iffy effects and blurry backgrounds.
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Check it out...
http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
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Studios are notorious for doing "accounting engineering". so much so, that in fact most of teh tiems it's pretty hard to know a movie's real budget and it's actual real profits. Some movies are over-priced and others under-priced. I suspect it all depends on the intentions of the studio for the fiscal year IRS declaration. Sometimes it favours a studio if the movies are declared over-priced, so that they will not declare a lot of income by the end of the fiscal year. Otehrtime,s studios like to boast a big spending on a movie for dick measuring, as if to say to the other studios "see what we can do? dare do the same!".And of cours,e many time sthe studios over-state a movie's financial sucess, like for example Jar Jar Abrams' Fuck Trek bloated and incorrect assuption of being a big box office sucess, for the sake of over-pricing the DVDs in their favour.
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...see my subject line.
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I'd never kid a Wookie.
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Your line made me smile, although not LOL (the 'net rarely makes me do that). Still disagree, though.
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Aug 21, 2009 2:33:37 PM CDT
Only looks good in 3-D huh.... that's a shame
by trannyformers_apologist
Cameron quote:"You have to make a good film that would be a good film under any circumstances," he said. "You have to put the narrative first. The reality is no matter how many (3-D) screens we get, you are still going to have a large number of people -- possibly the majority of people -- who see the film in a 2-D environment."
THUNDERSMURFS HOOO! Papa Smurf Lion-O Lazy Smurf Panthro Brainy Smurf Tygra Snarf SNARF Jokey Smurf Wiley Kit Smurfet HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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If they are aliens, why would they kiss as humasn do? Hell, why would they even fuck? imagine if sex is merely exclusive to Earth and no place else in the whole universe? In fac,t why even imagine that? If there is other lifeforms outthere, they might be pretty byzzare in ways no creature on Earth is, and sex could be something unique to earth and no place else. Sex might not be the only from of reproduction strategy developed by life, you know? Hell, maybe romance is exclusive to human beings too.
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Then compare it to the best. Crysis. And that still doesn't come close to the level of quality we're seeing here. The shot I posted earlier in this talkback should just show you how real they look. I think they passed the uncalley valley because I didn't see soul-lessness in the Navi's eyes there. I think Cameron was hyping the interaction between the CGI characters. Giving real-life performances. There's a reason why he decided to start on the film after he saw Gollum in LOTR. CGI performances were now believable. And Davy Jones was a mix of practical and CG effects. The fact that we're comparing a FULL CG character to something as impressive as Davy Jones is enough reason to believe that maybe Cameron wasn't so full of shit after all. Not so much a revolution than an evolution. This is the evolution from Gollum to now. WETA fucking rules!
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give it a rest mate. I'm beginning to think you're just an automated message. A cybernetic organism. Neural net processor. AHNOLD.
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Except for some shots of the eyes, he was completely digital...watch the bonus features.
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Really stellar work.
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I beg to differ. Try pushing Crysis through a BFG GeForce 285 on a 32" HD screen.Now THAT'S eyeball fucking!
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You are bang on in one respect. Story first and bag of tricks second. If you get people to suspend their disbelief then everything else follows. But I disagree with the King Kong analogy. In the 30's it was head splitting special effects. The likes never seen before. Same again with Star Wars IV.
Cameron will no doubt tell a story so amazing we will all be totally hooked but everything else in that teaser is so perfect, so amazing that the first reaction from a lot of people is that the Na'vi take them out of the story in a bad way because they look fake/out of place. It doesn't make all these people morons. It means something aint right with the characters. Of course this is going to be a juggernaut of a film but when he has set the bar so high these little details stand out just that bit more. -
in the theater...looks fucking wonderful blue creatures and dinosaurs...jesus chrsit....and seriously...people citing the titanic winning oscars as proof of it being good are also fucking genius sons of bitches and need absolutely need to be listened to listen to them bitches!....the titanic is a horribly seductive juggernaut of a film that makes me cry uncontrollably...all those sweeping shots to the left of the boat, the dolphins leaping!god do i love bill paxton...god do i love jewels and bill zane and why is it the evil men always hating on freud and modern art... that's what cameron is by the fucking way...he's like a cross between your secretive uncle and MODERN DANCEand announcing dinner like it's a damn cavalry charge...
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Orson Welles quoted, 1953 - “I rather think the cinema will die. Look at the energy being exerted to revive it -- yesterday it was color, today three dimensions. I don't give it forty years more. Witness the decline of conversation. Only the Irish have remained incomparable conversationalists, maybe because technical progress has passed them by.”As I sat through TF2, I felt Welles's prophecy was indeed fulfilled. Now we have Avatar. Will it save us? Surely it will soothe the wounds inflicted upon us this summer, but will audiences be witnessing cinema's last breath, or a cue to the next generation of filmmakers to take up the mantle already?
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By nature, people tend to prefer people who look look like themselves. So far, we've been given no reason to trust these unusual looking characters, let alone grow to like them. Cameron is fighting an uphill battle betting that an intelligent audience will prevail and overcome their fear of the unknown.
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Ahem...I'll just leave this here: http://tinyurl.com/loxej5
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Then again I've been saying it looks like shit for two weeks.
This movie needs more bullshit hype IT LOOKS PHOTO-REAL IN IMAX 3-D the 2-D trailer does not do it justice!EPIC MASTERPIECE All of you haters are going to watch it anyways! Silly trollsHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Dances with Thundersmurfs-Fucking your wallet in 2009!
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...one of those movies where we have unrealistically high expectations of it before we see it, then after we see it we nitpick it to DEATH.
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TIMESONLINE HELP US WITH MORE BULLSHIT HYPE PLEASE
"After the preview, directors lined up to describe it as “the future”. Excited reviewers said that they could not stop dreaming about it and that it was as though they had just taken a highly addictive drug that had left their mind yearning for more. Neurologists at the screening wondered if the movie had activated parts of the brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films. " -
need to embrace their inner alienlike they did with that cockbag ETand that teapot and scary thing in BEAUTY AND THE BEASTand Michael Jackonand Elton Johnand my timbers are shivers!and photoreal Hunger crisis and Rubber Courts! James Cameron, direct my happiness, thou art my LORD!
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maybe it does look better in imax 3d after 15 minutes. Maybe the characters are awesome.
But the teaser trailer sucks and its funny so many people are bitter about it and deny it. Show it to someone who has no idea what it is, or that its a James Cameron movie, and you will get a "meh, looks ok"
I have seen no evidence so far of a game changer in the teaser. When I watch Terminator trailers (hindsight is 20/20...) I still get pumped to see the movie. This trailer did nothing for me. Wow, space marines vs fern gully and decorated jaguars/lions. I wonder what the ending will be? -
Will it be fucking my wallet in 2009?
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It hasn't been about movies for a while now. Now it's only about trolling and flaming and bile and catchphrases and post counts and getting the last word and too much free time. The only good thing about AICN anymore is that it keeps nitpicking troll asshats, like Trannyformers there, occupied in one place and too distracted to spread their asshattery to the more worthwhile sites on the internet.
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AVATAR WILL EYEFUCK THE SHIT OUT OF US.
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But I have heard from a few folks in the UK that have seen the preview and they say the 3D is beautiful. They told me the preview doesn't give ten percent of the effect of the completed scenes, but that just begs the question that, if true, why the heck didn't Cameron put his best foot forward? I mean to say the imagery is shit is just douche-baggery. It looks great in 2D, just not eye fucking good. Or even all that game changing. and perhaps the story is derivative, but if I like the particular story I am being told then where is the harm? Just seems to be a huge dumb-ass move to hype the movie so much before we have seen anything. Have we not learned from Phantom Menace?
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According to the people who have actually seen the footage on screen the movie has delivered on its promise, lives up to the hype and is a mind blowing experience. Cameron has successfully defended his title as the king of cinema by way of TKO in the very first round.
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FurngullyDelgoBattle For TerraThundercatsSmurfs Dances with Wolfs Pocahontas The New World Captain Planet World of Warcraft Fury Anime
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After all the hype, im not that impressed, visuals are ok and some are gonna hate me for this but the visuals in both transformers movies were so much better! I'll still go and see it though as the story looks interesting.
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won best picture. Interesting that it's the most common comparison with Avatar. I guess the oscar hype won't be far behind.
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And by this movie I mean Captain EO
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Mine eyes have not yet seen the glory.
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Ass like a ten year old boy!
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She was a REAL Thundercat, not one of the cross-pollenated Smurf variety.
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im from the uk, 2 of my mates seen the preview twice and everything you said they said so ill be there 18th of decv to make my own judgement.
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You said: "If they are aliens, why would they kiss as humasn do? Hell, why would they even fuck? imagine if sex is merely exclusive to Earth and no place else in the whole universe?"Bite your tongue, AsimovLives. Otherwise let's immediately cancel any and all future space missions because if kissing and fucking is only limited to the Earth, then there's NO POINT to going into space!Oh wait...nevermind...The Shat has already disproved this whole idea. After all, if there's one truth that Captain Kirk proved time and time again, it's that fucking goes on all across the universe!
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I'm pretty sure someone's probably already posted this, but it must be said. http://tinyurl.com/kpwzso
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It was jarring then and its jarring now. And that creature design is for fucks. Who wants to see a skinny blue cat for 3 GD hours? He couldn't come up with something better than this after 12 years of his time?
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Slap it on an 18+ year old girl and she's fucking hot.
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400 million dollar Fury Porn: THE MOVIE!Looks as if it was composed entirely out of dung.AKA looks like shit! Make sure you catch a Panasonic's 3-D Avatar vans driving around your neighborhood...their new 3-D TV sets depend on Avatar being a huge blockbuster.
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Overproduced CGI epic... Sorry but I'm bored...
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Douchebag extraordinaire CarlThorMark1978 decrying James Cameron's "fiscal irresponsibility" is a prime example. Hysterical!
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No sale here. And adding that it's from the director of 'Titanic' isn't selling me at all!!
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"Do you really think that stripper wanted to fuck you?"
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and called it a phenomenal experience and spectacular in every way. Although, they were the lucky ones to see it 3D Imax.
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Well documented the ancient Egyptians did not kiss and it was considered risque among the Japanese pre Meiji Restoration. And Dances with Wolves was the worst best picture winner of the past 40 years, all the way to 196(?) 'Oliver'. Ok, I'm conveniently forgetting Crash and you could make an argument Beautiful Mind was weak as well but point is comparing Avatar favorably to Dances is not a good idea.
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Gladiator wasn't tha great either.
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Aug 21, 2009 5:39:37 PM CDT
This really is every plushies wet dream come to spurting life
by jackrabbitslim
"Oh my god - I thought the poster for Rules of Attraction was the most erotic thing ever - well besides that secret video I made with my sister's Raccoon-from-Pocahontas furry doll and that specially modified Cheetara doll i bought on the Internet a while back - but this ... Oh My GAWD!"
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Yup. There have been a number of questionable winners for best picture, but Dances With Wolves remains a classic. Avatar is proving itself as ground breaking and needn't worry about anything. Cameron delivered, so say the people.
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I love how the Official Avatar Facebook page deletes negative comments. Comments like "Why does Avatar look like shit? "
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I actualy hated it.
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why wouldn't they? Believe it or not, most people don't approve of cursing in a family friendly environment. It's their party, they can do what they want.
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Cameron must have been pissed when that pile of shit was puked out.
Maybe he fired some animator in one of his trademark fits of onset rage and the guy thought, "fuck you Jim, I'll go make my own stupid looking alien/ferngully movie" -
First the STRA Wars Sequels and now Thunder Smurfs, I mean Avatart
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Which one of you is this guy?
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NPR (American publically funded radio) has a story titled "Avatar trailer debuts to mixed reaction" and mentions the comparisons to Delgo in the story http://tinyurl.com/l7djz5
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It's like Harry and Patton Oswalt had a kid, and that kid devoted his whole life to the goal of being as unfunny as humanly possible.
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LoL .......... classic
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Aug 21, 2009 6:20:35 PM CDT
"your Whopper doesn't look like the one in the commercial? "
by takingscorpioscalls
hahaha. it really does look like a piece of shit when you order it. all you see are the buns and everything insdie is so thin compared to the fucking empire state buildings shown on tv.
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Aug 21, 2009 6:20:35 PM CDT
"your Whopper doesn't look like the one in the commercial? "
by takingscorpioscalls
hahaha. it really does look like a piece of shit when you order it. all you see are the buns and everything insdie is so thin compared to the fucking empire state buildings shown on tv.
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Aug 21, 2009 6:31:18 PM CDT
This movie has to tank to set an example to the industry
by takingscorpioscalls
that CGI diahrea is NOT THE WAY OF THE FUTURE. I hope it crashes and explodes just like Conan's ratings are doing.
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If I wanted to pay a tenner to watch a cartoon it would be fucking Shrek!
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the 1st one was an OK flick..not really worth 2 hours of yer lifetime....Or the 6-8 bucks it cost back then...Don't care much for the down with the homies, "Black Hawk Down" political narrative that seems to underlie the story arc...seein' how it plays to the current White House Administration's market...Go get a job...stop askin' tax payer's to pay fer movie and music preferences....Enough with the happy-meal, movie tie-ins being taken to the next level bit....And I've seen enough Ewoks for one lifetime,thank ye very much.
Thet Yao Ming reference has some poingancy here I think....celestial...
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http://img.denihilation.com/delgovatar.html
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I had no feelings on Avatar one way or another until I watched the trailer 3 times last night. The first time I just took it in...wasn't blown away...didn't hate. The second time I noticed the things that didn't work for me, and most if not all of it revolved around any scene that involved the humans and their war machinery. The mechs especially just look absurd...as stupid as they did in the last Matrix abortion. Dunno if the designs are just unimaginative or they look shitty in motion. Probably both. The third time I was pretty focused on the Navi and when I started to pay attention the details I noticed how they blow away anything that has come before them by miles. Jar Jar, Gollum, Davy Jones...just not even close. I think the design is invoking more hate than the effects work, whether the haters realize it or not. There's nothing overly alien about them...nothing beyond comprehension. It doesn't matter to me because even a more radical design wouldn't mean shit if there was nothing to the CG characters. Of course what good would it be to create something like the Alien and have it emote in a way none of us could comprehend?
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Aug 21, 2009 6:58:18 PM CDT
Maybe it has more to do with the way they are animated?
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
The problem with so many CGI characters is that they seem weightless, you watch it and there's just something about the wayy they move that doesn't look right.
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Funny as hell... Jim Cameron "King of the World" managed to troll the entire internet and brainwash thousands of retards.First it's the "game-changing photo-real CGI" then it's "well you have to see it in IMAX 3-D" now it's changed again to " The story is all that matters"....LMAO THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOO!
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If Cameron had instead released 15 minutes of Grover going Zulu he would have gained lots of love....alas, the opportunity is lost.
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but the other trailers I saw today were more interesting (Youth in Revolt, Law Abiding Citizen, Inception.)
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Come Dec. all you fucking "i'm too cool for Avatar" cunts will be lapping up all our "fanboy" jizz wondering where you went wrong Trannyformers or whatever the fuck you call yourself your wife will be RICKROLLED by blue cock in Dec. mark your calender you simple douche
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True. I wonder what trailer everyone else is looking at. When you actually look at the level of detail that has been achieved on the Na'vi, it's absolutely mind-boggling.
Some of the shots there, *nothing* is real, yet it is fully realised - skin, hair, clothes, rocks, plants, sky - not only the appearance but the movement as well. A staggering achievement.
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Dances With Wolves STOLE the Oscar from GoodFellas. There is no way around it. Dances With Wolves was a bloated bit of liberal feelgoodery. GoodFellas was Marty's masterpiece.
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I don't think that you get what people are complaining about. You're all like, "But every hair is individual animated at a level never before achieved technically!" and we're all like, "Those hairs are on a fucking big blue Thundercat!" When your design choices are all wrong it doesn't matter if every hair has been individually digitally mapped and has its own physics. It's all wasted effort, of interest to technical people only.
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and it was visonary.
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Um, no. If people have a problem with the design, that's legitimate. I'm talking about people (and there have been shitloads on this talkback) who say the CG is "shitty" and worse than Episode 1. The CG in this is fucking amazing and vastly better than anything seen before. To say it's not is just dishonest.
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one way or the other it all amounts up to pullin' the wool o'er another eyes....
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Ah, yes, here we go again with "this is a fact! You're lying if you don't see what I see!" Lovely. It seems to me that a lot of people are judging effects by the details themselves. Well, those details don't necessarily make something look photoreal. Who cares if Davy Jones doesn't have as many pores as the Navi? It doesn't matter - the former character consistently looked real for two whole films (with only a few iffy shots) and he still is equal to or better than the characters in Avatar (from what we've seen so far). A billion hair follicles and four trillion pores don't matter if they don't make something look realistic. It's not a guaranteed-to-work formula.
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And I think you have it right...the majority of people don't give a crap about the level of detail on the CG models. That just matters to technical people, which is fine - all most people are going to care about is whether or not their brain accepts the images.
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I think that people are saying, "This CGI sucks!" when what they mean is "This CGI is really unconvincing!" Someone above said something similar, and I think they were on to something. The design choices, the palette, the long wide shots, the clarity and lack of grain, etc. create an environment that is extremely unconvincing, regardless of how technically accomplished it is. I think that "industry people" get excited at improvements in technique or in "specs", but to the individual viewer the question is, "Am I convinced by this, or am I sitting here the whole time thinking of how fake it is?" People have mentioned the Jurassic Park T-Rex a couple of times, and obviously in terms of its technical specifications that CGI was a lot more limited than Avatar's CGI. But Spielberg didn't do something moronic like make the T-Rex hot pink with rainbow-colored claws and teal stripes on his back, so people look at the T-Rex and say, "Holy shit that looks real!" but they look at Avatar and say, "Do the Care Bears make an appearance in this film too?" But in the language of talkback, that reaction is a "I don't like the CGI" reaction.
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its not that it looks bad - it looks very well made - but it looks derivative and familiar - ive seen this all before - i am not blown away or saying to myself "wow, thats original" - at some points in the trailer i was reminded of "delgo" - the creatures, while rendered very well, dont excite me at all - and the human tech and appearnce is very "aliens" - lots of camo painted familiar military junk - yawn - i still want to see this movie - but after all the "eyeball fucking" talk over the past 2 years, i have to laugh - talk about hype
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the aliens look like something on the cover of a 15 year old sci fi paperback - cool, but not exactly fresh - they have bright blue skin and cartoonoshly large eyes - and freckles that glow - theyd look right at home next to gungans
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I'll agree with you on that as well. Head to head, I'd choose GOODFELLAS as a better pic than DWW any day of the week and yes it could be considered a crime that DWW won best pic over it. That being said, I've always liked DWW for its story and execution. Politics and awards be damned, it's a very good piece of filmmaking.
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I think your ire, vis a via the Na'avi, is in regards to the "acrobatic jumping" scene the chick alien does and the scene where the dude "wakes up" in the avatar's body. Correct? Those two shots didn't sell me and looked Pixar-esque, especially when Avatar Sam is "checking out" his new fingers. They looked rubbery - Spiderman 3-eque. They have a few months to tighten the shots up, so I am confident everything will look very good up on screen. Many of the shots made the humans out to be CGI'ed as well.
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Whoever said that they kissed at the end of the trailer is an idiot. Go watch it again, they are only touching forehead to forehead. Oh and people, lighten up...don't you realize the more you hype this thing up, the more you will be dissapointed. You would think you would have learned your lessons after indy 4, transformers 2, etc...Case in point, district 9, many weren't expecting anything out of it, and now look at the raves its getting. Don't over-hype, assholes. Its not the second coming of Christ, its a movie.
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I'm looking forward to learning more about the process of how the Na'vi characters physical appearance was determined. I suspect it was, at least to some degreee, designed to reflect an evolutionary process not unlike people and creatures in their home environment on earth today. I'd like to think they'd have a good reason for every decisison made and not just the result of some doodle on a lunch napkin.
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I'm looking forward to learning more about the process of how the Na'vi characters physical appearance was determined. I suspect it was, at least to some degreee, designed to reflect an evolutionary process not unlike people and creatures in their home environment on earth today. I'd like to think they'd have a good reason for every decisison made and not just the result of some doodle on a lunch napkin.
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Liked it a lot. Didn't instantly love it. It took some getting used to. I think the large eyes are a bit too cartoony at times. But at other times, it all looks completely believable. No need to crucify Jim Cameron.
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The only two things that look really great to me are the actual feet on the avatar when he wakes up in the hospital bed and the closeup of the navi (with her dredlocks dangling) after she jumps on the back of the winged creature. The most video-game-looking shot is of the female navi kneeling beside the dead one.
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Not by this shitty quality trailer, but the 3D footage! COOL SHIT!!
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The twist right at the end is that they pan out and you realize the whole movie took place in a forest in north america between two set of action figures. Screen fades to black and the REAL title comes up:
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Ok, I almost NEVER post..leaving the arguements to those who are more pasionate than me. But I've heard so much about this move for years now (it seems). This really looks like a Saturday morning cartoon. I was hoping for something a little more...maybe I'll be proven wrong, but from the looks of it, I doubt it.
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http://tinyurl.com/kmexed
See the preview screenshots here!!!
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Seriously, the look of it is exactly the same, and compariosons of the trailers are already popping up...is james cameron that much of a hack that he'd rip off the movie with the worst opening weekend of all time...Delgo?
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part of the probelem is seeing it throught the lense of Costner's other, um, work.
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It's not sci-fi, it's fantasy. Flying dragons and fairies. Eh.
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Some shit movie like Donnie Darko no one ever sees but people talk about?
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Aug 21, 2009 10:53:07 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Aug 21, 2009 10:53:17 PM CDT
THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS, THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by carlthormark1978
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Lies Avatar. New Tagline.
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Details please...
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MAYBE A DELGO REMAKE!!!!! fOR CHRIST SAKE!!! i DIDNT GET IMPRESSED AT ALL, IT LOOKS LIKE CHEAP CGI, TOO MUCH LIKE SW:EPISODE 1`S JAR-JAR!!! SPECIALLY THE PART WHERE WE CAN SE THE CREATURES CROSSING LIKE A BRIDGE, IT LOOKS SO BAD, THAT I FELT ASHAMED FOR THAT SCENE. PLEASE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO IT. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE JAMES HAS BEEN WASTING MONEY ON THIS. IT FEELS LIKE ITS GOING TO BE ANOTHER TRANSFORMERS THE REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. MAKING US BELIEVE THAT AT LAST SOMEONE WILL CHANGE THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE MOVIES. TRSUT ME IF I GO TO SEE THIS MOVIE, ACCORDING TO WHAT I SEE, THAT EXPERIENCE WILL BE TRAUMATIC!!!! JOIN WITH SCOTT AND MAKE ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE JAMES!!!!
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Saw District 9 tonight, some of that stuff in the tube must have got through the screen because now I KNOW this Intergalactic Ferngully isn't going to touch D9. Lightning Vaporization is never gonna get old.
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I have to say the CGI characters look too cartoony and express and move too cartoony. I'm sure it fits a great story by Cameron. But the aliens doesn't look plausible or really compelling. I liked the "aliens" stuff. More of it can't be bad. I wish it was a Cameron aliens' sequel or even a Terminator movie. Sure, Cameron can fight for to take over Terminator again with his story. Look how easy they gave it McG. WETA for lord of the rings used models as much as possible because they knew CGI with motion won't fool the eye completely until 50 years from now. Even the T-1000 had plausible purpose in it's animation rather than this teaser's disneyesque posing, kiddie designed aliens.
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You just know there'll be a four-hour Director's Cut of this CGI tomfoolery at some point, don't you?
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Forest environment full of nasty, bitey monsters - you'd expext them to be green, right? Camouflage and all that. So why are they blue?And deeply unconvincing?
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Pilgrim, Draco had fantastic modelling and mapping, and they need to go back to the method used for him. He looked great. The movie was absolutely TERRIBLE, but the dragon was one of the best ever on screen.And I'm trying to coin new terms for NA'VI IN THE WATER aka AVERAGETAR ... does "Gayliens" float anyone's boat?
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Yeah, I like that.
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I would guess they're blue so they're easier to see and it's a more appealing color. Tigers are orange and don't blend in, but they do have stripes for camo. As far as unconvincing goes, they look more believable than anything from Planet of the Apes. And like I mentioned in an earlier post, people tend to be attracted to people who look like themsleves, so Cameron is fighting an uphill battle and betting that the majority of people can see past skin color and recognize themselves by way of shared emotions. Like it or not, the way these blue skinned characters are perceived by an audience says a great deal about racism. People are instinctivly afraid of what they don't know, but curiosity will drawn them in and ultimately we will learn more about ourselves than the Na'vi.
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And not liking what we've seen so far makes us racist now? Really??
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I said it's natural not to like something unlike ourselves at first. That's not racism. Far from it.
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I just picked tigers at random because they had an outstanding color. Good point about them being on the verge of extinction, I think the Na'vi characters are facing a similar fate.
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Although the answer isn't always obvious, there is always a reason why we choose to like or dislike the things we do. For some it might be a temporary reason, others permanent. It is what it is.
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...jumps the shark in glorious 3D!Fucking has-been!
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They're striped. The orange and black stripes allow them to disappear into the alternating bands of light and shadow that exist under a jungle canopy. Tigers are fucking INVISIBLE until they want to fuck you up. A tiger is the Chuck Norris of the jungle. These blue guys would pretty much be visible from space. // I have decided to hit the reset button for this film, and try not to be a hater. I'm going to consider it a fantasy instead of sci-fi. That makes some of its cartoonyness easier to take. But I have to say that "James Cameron's Gayliens" is some funny shit.
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No one can seriously think this is ripping off Delgo's visuals. Unless you're a fucking idiot.
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That shot of Worthington-Avatar stumbling in the hospital room looks bad, especially out of context. It does give the hint of bad CGI bc A. its a shot of him stumbling with a jerky camera movement and B. They made it slow-motion for the teaser.
That combination gives it the illusion of not having realistic movement. But I can report, after watching that full scene in the 16 minute preview, that they DO have realistic motion. In that scene, he is stumbling around all over the place, knocking shit over.
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Avatar was long underway before Delgo was ever concieved.
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I just wish that Cameron had come out and said he was making a mo-capped animated movie like Zemeckis does nowadays.
If he'd have said that I would have probably come away from that trailer thinking it looked amazing.
I don't know exactly what the problem is, maybe it's the aliens design, maybe the fact that they're blue or perhaps it's that everything is too clean and in razor shape focus, reguardless of whether something's in the foreground or background.
Of course, I'm still going to see this at an IMAX and in 3D, and if the story is good and we get given characters we care about then I'm not going to give a shit whether it's all photorealistic or not.
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Ask a soldier hiding in the bush if he would feel safer wearing a bright orange vest. Or if highway workers would like to wear something darker, so they don't blend in so much.
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The trailer didn't look bad by any means, but considering all the hype this movies effects had, I have to say that I am a disappointed. The movie may be great but I wasn't blown away by that trailer.
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I think these talkback's are pretty hilarious if only because there are sooooo many teenage, know-it-all's who think they know dick about cinema.
I can almost guarantee that 95% of them will be sitting in theaters in December, swallowing hard at the reflection of their knee-jerk, bullshit, completely off base reactions to the trailer.
Though obviously being generation Y-bother, they won't admit what asshats they were or how wrong they were.
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Wow, the initial high-tech sequences looked great, but the rest looks like FINAL FANTASY...just terrible! All the aliens and alien creatures are abysmally rendered. Absolutely amazingly awful looking, which is going to kill it at the box office. Only kids will see this.
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Fucking is not universal ON EARTH! Fucking is only one of the numerous reproduction strategies that exist on Earth's living beings, and i'm only talking animals here!As for fuckign in space, as in, human sex in space, it's a far more difficult and hard thing to do then what Holywood makes us believe. And since NASA is mostly populated by moraly repressed midwest puritanial nerd boys, sex in space has not yet been truly researched. But all things tell us that, unless artificial gravity is involved, sex in space will be a real fucking bitch to achieve, pardon the pun.
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Media around the world interviewing people who attended the screening are predicting Avatar will be a monster hit. Viewers described it as a stunningly, beautiful experience unlike anything ever seen before.
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I don't trust the hype for Avatar, because i remember how hyped Jar Jar Abrams's fuck Trek miserable piece of shit movie was, and the end result was one of the worst cinematic abominations i ever had the displeasure to watch in my whole life.Hype is bad enough for bad movies, it's even worst for good movies. Hyope for good movies make people expect somethign that the movie is not about, or cannot ever realistically accomplish. I specially fear hype regarding good movies. I suspect more peope, would had enjoyed proper good movies like The Dark Knight and District 9 if it had not been for the hype. I suspect some of the nagging neysayers about those two truly good movies is more about a backlash reaction agaisnt the hype, then their true appreciationof the movie. And i can't blame them, really. Hype truly deserves to be backlashed. I wish that movie producers and the studios stoped hyping their movies, in the long run it will hurt movies more then help them. It's only a matter of time until people get fed up of hype, reach a point of saturation, and turn their back on it. and many good movies will be hurt by that.Fuck hype.
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You can't be serious. What movies are you watching? It's obvious you haven't seen any actual footage, because once you do you will realize that what you just said is not just supremely idiotic, but factually wrong.
Cameron fucking owns all you haters again. It must have felt real good to have the one day where you could hate all over this movie, and be slightly justified. However, as anyone who has seen the actual footage knows, Cameron was not lying one bit. The footage erased ANY doubts whatsoever, and is exactly the eye fuck people were expecting. Praise is almost all positive. The numbers don't lie. But don't take everyone's word for it. Go see the movie like you know you will and be blown the fuck away. -
Thing about it, having sex with an alien is pretty like having sex with animals. It's sex with a completly different species, for fuck's sake! Sure, some good Sf has been made before about diferent extraterrestrials sexual intercourse. But to call it romance is a bit awkward, to say the least! really, what's the differenc ebetween you haveing a human character fucking an alien and a shepperd fucking a sheep? Interspecies romance? For god's sake, dude, what is this, a scene from Clerks 2?
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But it's not mind boggling either.
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I'm tired of this "you know you'll be there first day drooling," which has apparently replaced "HATERS!" as the phrase du jour. You have no idea what I'll be doing on December 18th. Probably not braving lines to see this.
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You are the lowest level of scum on this site. You spend all your time talking, posting, and thinking about a movie that you supposedly hate. How fucking lame is that? You want to hate this movie so fucking bad, but yet you can't get it out of your mind! I know exactly the type of person you are...the type that thrives off going against the grain to seem hip, and controversial. You have a unhealthy vendetta against James Cameron, and no matter what is put on screen you will hate. Your ignoring the COUNTLESS people who have been praising the footage shown as groundbreaking. And the best part is, we all know how much it fucking irks you.
Your act is so unconvincing it's pathetic. You clearly posted more than anyone else on this thread, and from your posts it's evident your posting about it all over the internet. You don't like it, fine, but seriously move the fuck on. No one gives two shits about the bullshit you spew. -
Really? Complaining that the aliens are kissing (which they weren't). How nitpicky can you get. It's not a National Geographic documentary. Crowds would not relate to alien species humping wildly, or some weird other animal sex, as the form of intimate connection between the characters. If that's what your griping about, then Cameron must have done something right.
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Seeing the trailer, I was MASSIVELY disappointed. It looks just awful. The aliens and creatures look like something out of FINAL FANTASY. I've been really looking forward to AVATAR (though I thought the plot for the movie sounded more like fantasy than science fiction). Unfortunately, now that I've seen the trailer, it just looks terrible. I really am surprised how bad the CGI is. NOTHING on the alien world looks real. The Avatars themselves look like moving cartoons. Really, really terrible. This is not hating just to be hating, this is simply calling it like I see it.
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take me around hte world one more time james.
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Aug 22, 2009 4:20:44 PM CDT
Avatar Day reaction reminds me of Jar Jar's Star Drek Austin pr
by trannyformers_apologist
Avatar Day's rabid brainwashed fanboy reaction reminds me of the Rabid brainwashed fanboy reaction to Jar Jar's Star wars Trek surprise world premiere in Austin . It's all here... typical overblown positive reaction from die hard fangirls who are now special because they get to see it first. They even had an introduction by Lord James Cameron himself. There to remind the lucky viewers that this movie is the greatest movie of all time and to tell your friends about. Fox and Cameron suck their cocks a little bit for free and.....BAM! Your very own brainwashed hype machines ready to advertise Avatar with bullshit lies and outrageous hype. I hear it is the best 3-D experience since U2 3-D concert, My Bloody Valentine, Journey to the Center of the Earth,and Beowulf. Oooohhhh Ok must be epic then.
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You should first probably try having sex with someone, of your own species or another, before you even comment on it.
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I just don't see how anybody can look at the CG in the footage or trailer and say it looks bad. It is a fact that we have never seen this level of detail in any CG to date (except for ONE character in Kong '05). They don't move right? They don't feel plausible? I guess every schlub who watches movies is now an expert on what alien species will look like when we find them and how their biology works. Anybody who says they don't look real is completely missing the point. That is not debatable. This CG is not 100% photoreal but is a damn sight better than anything we've gotten from CG yet. It just stands out more because it's so much more ambitious than absolutely anything we've seen before.
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A new N** word...bud, this is nuthin' more then more blatant Brainwash crud...Another Vietnam parable turd that is going to try to link African racial agendas to Asian ones as Obama visits China. Don't play tool to the fools.
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... but then I saw the blue Thundercat aliens and all excitement went out the window. The alien makeup/effects looks like SHIT! The space marines look pretty cool but for fuck's sake what's up with the stupid aliens?!!!
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It's not that the CGI looks 'bad' it's that it doesn't look like any of this stuff actually exsists. It has nothing to do with the fact that they're aliens. I'm sitting there watching it and at no point does my brain ever get tricked into thinking this stuff is anything other than computer generated.
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Also, I think what is probably worse than the CG is the virtual camera. Alot of directors these days tend to include all these impossible moves where the camera twists and turns through the action in a way that completely takes you out of the movie because you know that these kinds of camera moves are physically impossible with a real camera, therefore it simply doesn't feel real.
The end of Van Helsing is a good example of this. Yes, the CGI was shit aswell but just look at the way the fucking camera whizzes round like it's on acid or something. Transformers had this aswell and unfortunately I saw some of this in the Avatar trailer too.
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Any geek worth his or her salt loves Cameron, but this just looks weak. If you saw this trailer and didn't know it was Cameron's return to film after 12 years, you would be interested surely, but based on this footage, the jury would be out. I for one, don't want to be preached to, and this looks like so much eco-bullshit to me. Blah, blah, mankind rapes worlds, white imperialism, blah, blah, blah, territory already mined in THE ABYSS (pun not intended.) Many of us fear that ol' Jim may be too enamored with Oscar gold, and feels he has to make an "important" movie, instead of entertaining audiences. The blue kitty aliens just aren't compelling designs, and look like generic sci-fi art that used to be published every month on the cover of GALAXY magazine in the 1970's. I am severely underwhelmed, and you would be too, if you could see past your Cameron Man-crush. I, unlike some of the posters here, am not actively rooting for this film to tank. I just don't yet see the hype dovetailing with the actual film.
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What's with the art department fixation on Kenner pre-school robot armor designs? It looks out of place next to the giant WOW elves.
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just crap if i want CGI THAT bad il see any youtube dumass video
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That is what you are... cocksuckrs.
I saw the 16 minute preview last night in San Diego, and cannot stop replaying what I saw in my head. Then I see this trailer. All of you talking shit about this should really die. Like right now. Kill yourself. Please die! Jump off a tall building right now.
Our jaws collectively dropped as this played. Everyone seemed to fucking love it. Huge applause. This movie looks like a dream. it will be 2 hours + of trippy shit. Its beautiful and lush. Its exciting and magical. Fucking shit, what the hell is wrong with some of you?
This is clearly a balls out dude flick with obviously badass battles, in another world that seems absolutely real. Goddamnit I love this shit. I come here and there is a bunch of fucking cocksuckers refusing to enjoy this.
What a fucking surprise. I thought this one time we would all be onboard for this great event movie. All of you negative bitches are pieces of dogshit. And I hope you die.
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Aug 23, 2009 12:55:34 AM CDT
The people who have only seen the trailer and not the 16 minutes
by todaysfate
are just going to feel so wrong later.
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a dream of making back it's production costs from dvd sales and pay cable. It's cretins like Spacezilla that make me want to see this "trippy shit" trip and fall on it's blue space kitty face. Keep setting yourselves up for a PHANTOM MENACE-style letdown.
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I'll be there opening day, but with expectations firmly in check. Unlike some of the folks around the internet, I hope every movie I go to will be great.
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If you haven't seen the 3D preview, you are talking out of your ass. This film will have no trouble making it's money back.
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...Whoever Wins, We Lose
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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You couldn't be more spot on man. People keep posting and posting about the trailer, WE FUCKING KNOW. It's underwhelming, get over it. It's clear to anyone who's seen the footage that it is everything Cameron promised and more, and come December you all are gonna be eating out his palm. And the smart folks who didn't write off a movie based on a 2 minute teaser with 0 clips more than 2 seconds long, will be laughing at you.
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Name a movie with more heart and soul than Star Trek? Are you fucking kidding me? Just about any movie ever made! Now fuck off back to crying over George Kirk and baby Spock talking to Ben Cross. If thats your idea of quality cinema then your opinion on Avatar is invalid.
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Sorry man, I mentioned the dreaded Trek word again. I just had to reply to joshuavance1701 talking wack.
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Great point about the virtual camera, just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.
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Whether Avatar is amazing and makes millions of dollars makes no difference to me. You know why? Because 10 years ago Titanic was near the top of the IMDB poll and today it's no longer even in the top 250, whereas Fargo and Big Lebowski are still on the list. These things even out. But what I don't understand is what YOU get out of your "told you so" attitude. It's even less relevant to our daily lives than sporting events; it won't change your ife at all, unless you have money invested in it (do you? 'cuz I'd like some cash myself)
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I liked Star Trek myself, but that's beside the point. I just noticed you said "your idea of quality cinema," which gives me an opening. The fact is, people like movies for very different reasons. One critic said that all American movies stem from D.W. Griffith or Charlie Chaplin (yeah, Chaplin was British, whatever) Cameron falls clearly in the Griffith category (technically brilliant epics; I am NOT in any way saying Cameron is racist), but you have to realize there are a lot of Chaplin fans.
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OK, If you haven't seen Battle for Terra, go see it 'cos this film has a similar plot. Frankly I'm a right wing movie loving limey who thinking this film may be at last bust the flush of dreadful dead end polemic left wing films that claim to tell us how to treat Gaia. Children of Men was brilliant, will this be or was Titanic a fluke?
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That may well be true, but the vast majority of the country will see this film in 2-D. If it takes 3-D to make Avatar work, then that's a real problem. Like I said, I want this to be great, but based on the trailer, I'm lowering my expectations. Looks like industry folks are doing likewise. FROM NIKKI FINKE's DEADLINE HOLLYWOOD: News Corp's UK newspaper The Sun claimed it had the Avatar trailer numero uno. Then again, Apple/iTunes actually had first dibs for a 24-hour window. Now Fox is sending "take down" notices to everybody else. What a cock-up. I'm so sick of all the hype and secrecy. But now we can presume to know why Twentieth Century Fox and Jim Cameron were keeping it under wraps for so long. The Avatar trailer makes it look, um, er, like a Disney movie. I swear Twink was in there. Maybe a Pixar character or two. A lot of you think Cameron caught Lucas flu and express surprise Jar Jar Binks got his own movie. Others fear this is Dances With Wolves set in space. Please, Jim, guarantee us this is not another The Abyss. Or worse
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Niki at DHD is an act, not unlike Howard Stern, she writes to provoke a response. She is not a movie critic and takes pride in saying she "doesn't do geek".
When she wrote about District 9, she attributed the success to
"Marc Weinstock's viral marketing campaign for a year bore no Sony/Tri-Star logo on purpose so it wouldn't have a big studio's PR machine feel to it. (As if the audience had organically discovered the pic themselves.)"
If you read DHD with regularity, you might point out that Niki's favorite movies include Sex and the City and Twilight. If you want to stand behind her choice of movies, you'll be with her at the front of the line to see New Moon. -
The blue dude, that is. A few things. 1) Wow, the CGI is so underwhelming. Echoing concerns of other people, it looks like a video game or cartoon. It's almost infuriating that this even passes as special effects. If the effects are not at all convincing, why not have cardboard cutouts do the acting? 2) I personally don't believe I can get into the story because the characters look like they belong in furry porn. 3) The physics look way off which is very distracting. The mechs walk around appearing as though they weigh almost nothing. Common CGI mistake, but I expect better from James Cameron. 4) Yes, it is too colorful. Reminds me (as it did others) of Ferngully. I have a bad feeling about this and I hope I am completely wrong. I wish Cameron would delay the release until summer so more work could be done on the CGI.
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For the money they spent, some practical effects would have made the difference. When you see the human characters looking at the alien avatars in the liquid holding tanks, they look like cartoons. JURASSIC PARK and DISTRICT 9 were far superior in that the CGI WAS photorealistic. These aliens are like FINALY FANTASY characters moving around next to human characters. Had they used some practical effects in some scenes, it would have been believable. I'm actually glad how bad this is because I would like to see an end to these over-inflated CGI-fests and a return to more basic movie-making with practical effects. How odd that a low-budget movie like DISTRICT 9 has raised the bar while overwrought crap like AVATAR will be left looking like...overwrought crap.
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I predict that this will be the nail in the coffin of the whole 3-D craze. People are going to walk into AVATAR after being forced to pay extra for the 3-D viewing experience (usually running $3 extra per ticket in our area) and are going to walk out pissed that they paid all that money for a cartoony fantasy pic rather than the promised sci-fi extravaganza. The CGI was truly, ludicrously bad. The alien avatars and the various creatures within the planet were awful. It was all SO poorly done and a very long way from being photorealistic. I mean, look at the new Star Wars movies - most of the backgrounds were CGI, but they looked real. AVATAR's backgrounds just look like cartoons. I've made the comparison to FINAL FANTASY before and I absolutely stand by that. Had AVATAR stuck with the practical effects work (like in the start of the trailer), THAT would have been a terrific movie. But once they get into all the aliens and fairies and crap, it's just silly. The mainstream movie-viewing public is going to eat this film alive. I'm guessing there's going to be more than a little unintentional laughter in the theaters.
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Seriously. Forgot to mention that.
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Or maybe you're not very astute. Because when they are looking at the Avatars in their tanks, they actually look like full body dummies suspended in water and not like CGI at all. I mean come on, your entire posts are filled with hyperbole.
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They don't look real; they look like poorly rendered CGI. Honestly, I was looking forward to AVATAR, but I find the entire effort dramatically awful. There's just no other word for it - totally over the top dreck. Since when is it hyperbole to simply give an opinion? I think your vocabulary needs some work. You people are acting like you have money on the success of AVATAR. I have nothing to gain or lose one way or the other by simply giving my opinion. And my OPINION says that AVATAR is one of the worst-looking, overhyped, overwrought CGI shitfests I've seen in a very long time.
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Honestly, that thing in the tube is hardly moving. HARDLY moving. In the still image it looks just like a dummy, and until I saw the teaser and saw that it DID move slightly, I thought it was a dummy. You saying that the body look cartoonish, as a slight against the CGI work that went into it, is laughable. Now don't try to twist what I've said. Its not "hyperbole to give an opinion" and for you to suggest I even implied such a thing is ridiculous. However, your criticisms ARE quite hyperbolic. You say Avatar's backgrounds look like cartoons but the prequels looked real? They look practically the same mate. Really, if you tempered your opinions I might believe them more, but you're such an extremist that everything comes across as an exaggeration of the truth.
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Do you even know what "poorly rendered CGI" looks like anymore? Do you not remember the mid 90s television fare like Hercules and Buffy? Its not this. The AVATAR creatures have cartoonish designs, but the CGI itself does not look so cartoonish that it looks like 10 year old effects.
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I don't want to see that flat trailer again, because I've seen the 3D segments, and I was blown away.
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It really is on the animators, specifically the character animators, to pull off what would be considered photorealistic CGI. I don't care how well you render something, unless the animators learn to animate Worthington's smirk to look as convincing as his Avatar's grin, you will continue to experience what many refer to as "bad CGI." Even when motion capture tech is used, character animators still need to pull off convincing lip-syncing, facial expressions, and clothing.I've analyzed this trailer and on close inspection I'm still getting the animated feel, not the naturalistic feel that would constitute a CGI gamechanger.I was hoping Avatar would deliver something on par with Davy Jones in POTC, only all over the place. That, IMHO, would be the next big achievement in visual effects. When I saw Davy Jones, I knew what I was seeing was not real, yet I was not taken out of the film. The fact I was focused on Nighy's performance, and not the question of how they pulled off that effect, means it was a successful effect - very, very successful. From that day forward, I said, the next big thing in CGI will be to pull off the quality of Davy Jones, only all over the place. From what I see in the Avatar trailer, there is a genuine attempt to make that happen, but the effects animation is not much greater than what I saw accomplished in ROTS. The settings do look realistic, but the character animation is still slightly off. When Worthington wheels off the dropship, you know immediately that it is a CGI Worthington. Think of Yoda's costume. Even the way cloth moves, as nicely rendered as it is, it simply is not utterly convincing to us. What is utterly convincing, or photorealistic, is when we don't immediately notice or question the effect. I should also mention that the creatures do not look anymore spectacular than what I saw in the SW prequels. The horses the Navi ride are especially clunky in their movements. Seen it too many times before.Granted, I'm basing my criticism on what I've seen in a Quicktime trailer. I understand CGI translates differently to a big screen, but ultimately, I want to experience something altogether new in terms of visual effects, and I'm afraid Avatar simply is not that movie - perhaps the pinnacle of what CGI has yet accomplished, but a gamechanger - absolutely not. Having said all that, I'm very excited to see it, if for nothing else than it looks cool as all hell.
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A CGI Worthington that wheels off the ship? Do-what-now? That's totally real! I agree with you about the horses, they have the same clunky movements as the horses in Beowulf. And as for Davy Jones, I've determined that what made him so realistic, besides the performance, were his eyes. His eyes were the same size as human eyes and twitched, darted around, and moved like a real humans do. Its much easier to buy into a character when they have human eyes. That's the problem with the Navi. They have these large, Disneyfied eyes. I get the feeling that had Cameron given the Navi a more human appearance as far as eyes go (and that's probably exactly what he didn't want to do, as far as aesthetics go), there'd be less criticism about their cartoonish appearance. Large eyes do look cartoonish, its a fact.
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Is that they play that scene in that fake slow-motion. Its the same thing they do with the shot of Avatar-Worthington banging his hand on the glass. Fake slo-mo plus a jerky or moving camera = a bad looking image. It makes some people conclude that these Avatars move without any real weight (and having seen the 16 minute preview I completely disagree with that sentiment), and it seems to have led you to the conclusion that its a CGI Worthington wheeling off the dropship. And really, why would Cameron animated that? It makes no sense at all.
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Where did I say I care whether Avatar is a huge hit? Please point that out for me, cause I'm having trouble finding it. Oh thats right, you can't. All I've said is that response to the footage has been extremely positive, and most people who dislike the trailer will see the movie anyway. I don't care if Avatar makes a million or a billion, I'll be there either way. And being on a movie site, where movies have changed the lives of many people on here, most notably Harry Knowles, your an idiot in saying what you said. And furthermore, it matters to most people whether a movies good or not, that's why there are fans retard.
Strosmer, I'm glad your logical enough to still want to see it just because the trailer was a let down, which it was. But once you see the live movie, I'm sure you'll think it's the game changer it was said to be, cause it's phenomenal. -
in case no one mentioned it. I went with a friend that is totally unbiased and doesn’t know about AVATAR. I asked his opinion about the trailer after the movies was over and this is what he said: that looks like a video game. Sadly that was my impression as well, and since it was on the big screen-the way it suppose to be viewed, I do have to same that some scenes do look more real than others but over all it does look like a video game. I am very disappointed and as some one mentioned it before all this fucking hype over it, by fans and the people involved with it just fucking damages the movie’s potential. I wanted to like it AVATAR, but what I got from the trailer and an unbiased opinion that confirms my fears, plus so much fucking hype, I doubt that AVATAR will even deliver half of what was hyped. But at least INGLORIOUS BASTERDS did not disappoint at all. It was better than what I thought it would be.
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I love how so many people are like "THE 3D WORKS! THE 3D TAKES AWAY THE SUCKYNESS OF 2D! TRUST ME!"
Well if so, then we have a problem.
2D theaters are not only cheaper (people in India and China can see them, big bucks) but they are also the most common even in an country like the USA.
So right now, in 2D, it looks too fake. They NEED to make this work in 2D or else they have lost it.
Never mind the already design, animation and logic flaws.
P.S. I love all this unbiased trust in James Cameron. True Lies sucked ass, and he also directed Piranha II: The Spawning, Dark Angel and produced a bunch of other shitballs. -
I'll admit I was premature in any my assessment of the look of the CGI I saw in the trailer. Certainly Cameron's intent is geared toward steeping the audience in an immersive 3D cinematic experience, and perhaps to a lesser extent, the final refinement in CGI. What I saw in Davy Jones was about as convincing as I've ever seen. Why not carry that through? I'd be happy if every effect looked that good from here forward. From what I hear, District 9 is seamless. ILM and Weta are in a healthy competition at any rate.It hit me as I read through the responses on Yahoo's entertainment column that the 3D effect may extinguish any incongurities in the trailer. Just stinks I have amblyopia and can't see stereoscopic effects quite as dynamically as people with regular vision. But I digress...What we witness in this quicktime trailer cannot truly speak to what is in store for ALL of us in December. Would anyone who has seen the 16-minute preview in 3D care to comment on whether the Navi faces appear more pronounced in 3D, thereby creating a more convincing visual effect?I hereby reserve further judgment on this movie until I have seen it in Imax 3D, amblyopia and all.
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I'll admit I was premature in any my assessment of the look of the CGI I saw in the trailer. Certainly Cameron's intent is geared toward steeping the audience in an immersive 3D cinematic experience, and perhaps to a lesser extent, the final refinement in CGI. What I saw in Davy Jones was about as convincing as I've ever seen. Why not carry that through? I'd be happy if every effect looked that good from here forward. From what I hear, District 9 is seamless. ILM and Weta are in a healthy competition at any rate.It hit me as I read through the responses on Yahoo's entertainment column that the 3D effect may extinguish any incongurities in the trailer. Just stinks I have amblyopia and can't see stereoscopic effects quite as dynamically as people with regular vision. But I digress...What we witness in this quicktime trailer cannot truly speak to what is in store for ALL of us in December. Would anyone who has seen the 16-minute preview in 3D care to comment on whether the Navi faces appear more pronounced in 3D, thereby creating a more convincing visual effect?I hereby reserve further judgment on this movie until I have seen it in Imax 3D, amblyopia and all.
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I'll admit I was premature in any my assessment of the look of the CGI I saw in the trailer. Certainly Cameron's intent is geared toward steeping the audience in an immersive 3D cinematic experience, and perhaps to a lesser extent, the final refinement in CGI. What I saw in Davy Jones was about as convincing as I've ever seen. Why not carry that through? I'd be happy if every effect looked that good from here forward. From what I hear, District 9 is seamless. ILM and Weta are in a healthy competition at any rate.It hit me as I read through the responses on Yahoo's entertainment column that the 3D effect may extinguish any incongurities in the trailer. Just stinks I have amblyopia and can't see stereoscopic effects quite as dynamically as people with regular vision. But I digress...What we witness in this quicktime trailer cannot truly speak to what is in store for ALL of us in December. Would anyone who has seen the 16-minute preview in 3D care to comment on whether the Navi faces appear more pronounced in 3D, thereby creating a more convincing visual effect?I hereby reserve further judgment on this movie until I have seen it in Imax 3D, amblyopia and all.
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a FUCKING triple post! i am suffering hideous lag on this wirelessly connected laptop
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Aug 23, 2009 10:52:41 PM CDT
jsscript2007 - apparently Ebert didn't like it either
by dark knight lite
and he is a movie critic. It's a long time till December, and maybe this less than stellar response from the faithful will give Jim the impetus to tighten shit up. Is there time to completely redo the blue kitties?
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Camerons' best story was the Terminator franchise. I wish he went back to it with T5 and T6. I think there's a motivation to create his own alien world. Since the Abyss wasn't a big hit. And Aliens came from Scott and Giger.
And CGI LOTR battles. horror/action with a personal story, I'd rather see a Cameron 2032 Terminator movie. Well we all do.. -
Aug 24, 2009 1:41:42 AM CDT
IMDB poll winner is "I probably won't see this movie"
by takingscorpioscalls
http://www.imdb.com/poll/results/2009-08-23
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Aug 24, 2009 2:05:24 AM CDT
GEN "Y" SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU SEE THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by darkplanet
I mean Jesus fucking Christ! I've never heard so many fucking know-it-all's, knee-jerk the shit out of a movie before. You're watching a goddamn quicktime trailer on your parents 15" monitor, with Cheese snacks stuck to your fingers and one ear jacked into your Ipod. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW!? Go to the movie, experience the movie and then get back to us with your acne faced, hormonal angst opinions. Fucking know-it-all's.
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This will make GI JOE look like "Citizen Kane" is comparison.
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Avatar trailer - 4 million views
Star Trek trailer - 1.7 million views.
A foreshadowing of the box-office pounding to come! -
should have retired years ago. His opinion is so erratic these days its clear his mind is failing.
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Aug 24, 2009 6:58:58 AM CDT
Roger Ebert looks like Kim Jong il from Team America
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
I bet he's ronely.
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that was one of the big problems with the prequels. BRING BACK MODELS!!!
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Its a Blizzard game trailer meets Thundercats meets The Abyss. The Naffy are just that, absolutely crap, they will go down in movie history with Jar Jar Binks as a very, very bad idea, go and have a look ate the trailer again and pause it at 1:19 to see exactly what I am on about. The retard in the back looks truly pathetic, its fucking laughable. I think I would rather watch M Night Shyamalamadingdongs Avatar last air bender than this, up its own arse, over indulgent crap. Why didn't any body tell Cameron that he hasn't got a fucking clue about alien character design.
Yet another over hyped bag of shite. I don't think I will be able to stomach watching 2 badly designed CG aliens falling in love 2+ hours -
a looooooong time ago. The CGI will probably continue to get brushed up until the last possible moment.
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There isnt a single shot that doesn't look CG. Combine that with horrible character designs and a cheesy love story and you've got a massive peice of shit on you're hands.
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All you do is try to shout anyone down who gives an honest opinion that's negative toward this movie. Do you have money at stake over whether AVATAR does well? The fact is, the CGI looks like shit. Your effort in trying to compare it to even worse CGI in the 90's is laughable in the extreme...what the HELL does ancient CGI rendered for a fraction of the money of AVATAR have to do with the current shitty rendering we saw in the trailer? ANSWER: NOTHING!!!! Stop trying to shout everyone down who doesn't share your opinion over how great AVATAR (supposedly) is. The movie is a fantasy piece promising sci-fi. I absolutely stand by my OPINION that AVATAR looks like crap. The CGI is VERY cartoonish, as are virtually all the creatures within the animated backgrounds of the alien world. And what's up with the fairies and crap?!?!? It really, REALLY looks bad. If you rewatch trailers from the Star Wars prequels and JURASSIC PARK, these images are much, MUCH more photorealistic. I don't know whether it's because Cameron has slanted the movie more toward the fantasy side of the spectrum or whether it's just piss-poor rendering in an early trailer, but I am MASSIVELY disappointed. This is SO far from being photorealistic that it absolutely pulls me out of the moment. I can't get "into" the trailer because everything is just so obviously cartoony. When the character smiles and says, "This is great" (or whatever he specifically said), I just laughed. It was anything BUT great, IMO. It was silly. I also stand by the fact that this will elicit more than its share of unintentional laughter. People are going to see the trailer and figure it's just for kids. Honestly, this is completely off my radar and I have zero interest in seeing it. If anything, it's a rental, but I won't be paying good money to see it in the theater (and I'm someone that doesn't just say that; I vote with my wallet...DISTRICT 9 got my money and all the money of friends and family I recommended to it...I've already warned everyone away from AVATAR and the comments I'm getting back on the trailer mirror my own..."cartoony", "childish", "kids movie" are the comments I'm hearing, so I'm not alone in my opinion). Shout me down if you like, but this is my honest opinion and I have nothing to gain or lose by saying so. In fact, Cameron and company could do with a little constructive criticism and then maybe they'll be motivated to improve before the final release. As it is, AVATAR is NOT ready for mass reception as it will be turned into a joke and bomb royally (though I think cinema will be better for overwrought movies like this tanking).
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District 9 all the way, couldn't agree more. Avatar is gonna be over long and over hyped, its rendering style is completely inappropriate for the type of movie it was supposed to be. I just know its going to be as painful to watch as Jar Jar Binks and the fact that these fuckers fall in love just adds another dimension of shitness to the whole load of crap. Fuck off Cameron you arrogant twat, clearly spending years under sea looking at a fucking rusty boat has turned your brain to piss, you stupid tit. And while I am at it, whoever thinks that the CG in the trailers is some beta footage or that they are going to keep polishing it until the last minute is a fucking retard. Why the fuck would a movie company release a trailer (that is intended to sell a movie) with crap footage in it!!! That they intend to change with better footage in the final film???? Thats like a burger company putting a dog turd in between two slices of bread and sticking the whole thing on a poster outside there restaurants but saying the actual food will not be shit, actually, it will be great. Ohh look nobody has bought any of the fucking things aren't we fucking stupid. As Avatar is such an effects hungry production you can guarantee that each shot will have 'picture lock' long before now and that it would be absolutely impossible to keep re-rendering and compositing shots right up to the last second. Look and feel of characters, lighting, textures etc was signed off months ago and will not change. What you see is what you get and what you get is SHIT.
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...who spend the $20 to see this at IMAX (lol). For me, not this lifetime!
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When INCEPTION is fucking our eyeballs next summer!
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