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Mr. Beaks Takes Batting Practice With "The Bear Jew" Of INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, Eli Roth!
SPOILER ALERT !!
"Do you know the latest rumor they've conjured up, in their fear-induced delirium? The one that beats my boys with a bat. The one they call "the Bear Jew" ...is a golem. An avenging Jew angel, conjured up by a vengeful rabbi, to smite the Aryans!"
I have to admit that when I read this Adolph Hitler-uttered passage in Quentin Tarantino's screenplay for INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, my first thought wasn't, "Ah, Eli Roth!" Though the director of CABIN FEVER and the two HOSTEL films had capably conveyed a kind of frat-boy malevolence in DEATH PROOF, Donnie Donowitz aka "The Bear Jew" seemed like the kind of role that should go to a stone-faced, broad-shouldered badass.
Well, I was a fool to doubt Tarantino's casting instincts. From his stirring introduction, striding out of the blackness hauling his trusty, skull-dented bat as Ennio Morricone's "La Resa" from THE BIG GUNDOWN blares on the soundtrack, to his climactic encounter with Der Führer (discussed in the below interview, so be careful), Roth is utterly believable as a Boston-bred Jew whose sole purpose in life seems to be braining bigots. And his performance is all the more impressive when you consider that he gets this menace across without the help of the character's cut-from-the-film backstory, which, among other things, explained the significance of the names carved into his bat. Those extra scenes would've allowed us to ease into the idea of Roth as a feared Nazi-killer; now, he's got to sell Donnie's murderousness with nothing more than a lazy gait, a slightly deranged facial expression, and an extra forty pounds of muscle. And he does it brilliantly.
Roth was still carrying most of that added bulk when I sat down with him last week at the INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS junket in Los Angeles, but that was the only trace of Donnie that remained. For the most part, it was the same old gregarious Eli I've known since he broke out with CABIN FEVER seven years ago. As we started our interview, Eli was quizzing me about Joe Dante's five-hour THE MOVIE ORGY, which I had attended at The New Beverly the night before. This led to an amusing anecdote about Dante's initial reaction to Tarantino's WWII epic.
Eli Roth: Quentin showed his very first cut to three people, and Joe Dante was one of them. Joe loved it. And it was interesting because... Quentin and I over Christmas ['08], we stayed in Paris, and we hung out watching movies every day. We went to the movies and saw THE KILLING. And we were watching Timothy Carey when he's shooting the horse - or the scene in the parking lot when he's talking to the black parking attendant, and the guy won't leave, and he has to then start using all the racial slurs to get the guy to leave him alone. We were talking, and Quentin was like, "I love Timothy Carey. He's one of my favorites. He's always so good." So then Joe Dante sees [BASTERDS], and he goes, "Eli, your performance is perfect. You're like Tony Curtis with a touch of... Timothy Carey, especially that ending." (Laughs) I didn't even realize it! Joe is like a master chef who can taste the soup and know the seventeen different obscure ingredients that went into it. I wasn't even consciously doing it. So I told Quentin. I was like, "Do you remember when we saw THE KILLING?" And he was like, "Oh, my god! You're right! You must've been channeling some Timothy Carey after our conversation."
Mr. Beaks: So has Quentin been determinedly trying to draw you out as an actor?
Roth: No, this is just all unfolding. None of this was planned. Even in CABIN FEVER, my appearance wasn't planned. It was that Michael Rosenbaum got stuck doing SMALLVILLE and couldn't get out of Canada, so I had to do the part. I thought it was just ridiculous and fun, and that I could just bluff my way through it, and... Quentin loved it. He thought it was the fucking funniest thing. And that's why he made me do DEATH PROOF. I was like, "No, I'm doing HOSTEL II." And he's like, "No, come on!" And even in DEATH PROOF, it felt like a party. The atmosphere in that bar was just... everyone was drinking and having fun. And Quentin's direction to me was "Uh, you have two minutes to lunch, don't fuck it up." I was like, "This is my close-up monologue in a Quentin Tarantino movie. Can I get a second take please?" And he goes, "You have thirty seconds until meal penalty. If we hit it, you're paying. Go!" And then he's like, "Why do you want another one? You did fine." I was like, "I could do better." And he goes, "Fuck it, let's move on."
Then he told me in the editing of DEATH PROOF, "Goddamn it, you're fucking nailing it! You get my dialogue. Every single time, I'm sitting there with Sally [Menke] going, 'Fucking Eli. He's got it perfect. I can always cut to Eli, and he'll do it exactly the way I want it, exactly the way it's written.'" So that became my audition for INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS. So starting around 2008, or maybe it was Thanksgiving 2007, he was like, "Yeah, I've been thinking about the Bear Jew." He'd heard me and my friends talking in our Boston accents. All of my friends were in from Boston talking like (in a thick Boston accent), "Okay, guy! You're gonna get fucking punched, dude!" And Quentin was like, "You know, you'd be really good as the Bear Jew." I went, "Really? I thought you'd pictured this other actor." And he said, "Yeah, but you wouldn't be a bad Bear Jew."
I didn't know he was ever going to finish it. And then one day he says, "I'm thinking about finishing INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS." And I was like, "You've got to do it!" So the day he finished the script, I went over to his house to pick it up. I showed up in a tank top and had just gotten a haircut, and he said, "Oh, you even look like the Bear Jew! You're perfect." So he hands it to me, and I never hear anything. Then he doesn't call me into audition - which is cool. I figured, "Alright, Quentin changes his mind a lot about things." Then he calls me and says, "Do you want to go to dinner?" So we sit down, and he says, "Listen, Donowitz has to be a 360-degree character. This can't be DEATH PROOF. You've got to know this person inside and out." And I said, "Quentin, I wasn't going to do that research unless I knew I had the part." And he said, "Oh, no, you have the part, but, listen, it's got to be--" And I'm like, "Wait, are you telling me I have the lead role next to Brad Pitt in your movie?" And he goes, "Yeah." So I say, "Can we have a toast?" And he goes, "Yeah. Cheers. Alright, listen, it's got to be a 360-degree character..." And I was like, "Wait, how long have I had the part?" And he goes, "You've had it since the beginning. I was just auditioning people against you." And I'm like, "Thanks for telling me, dude."
So I said, "Look, if I'm going to do this... if Quentin has this much faith in me, I'm going to blow him away. I don't want to be the guy people see and say, 'Eh, he didn't fuck it up.'" I want people to go, "Oh, we had no idea he was capable of that!" I always liked acting, but I'd never really done it. I mean, I'd studied it and directed actors, but there was nothing I'd done that I really considered acting; I was just goofing around and having fun on camera with friends. So I decided I needed to be like Robert De Niro or Peter Sellers: I put on forty pounds of muscle for that part; I went to Boston and only talked in my accent; I researched the role. And then I offered him, "If I'm there for six months, let me help you make Cannes." And he goes, "I've never had a second unit director, but if you do NATION'S PRIDE, that would be amazing." So I went over there a month ahead of everyone, and there I was prepping NATION'S PRIDE and my character. I knew that everyone was going to grade me on an extra hard curve. I knew it right away. I knew that people were going to say, "Quentin put him in the cast because he's friends with him." So I very quickly have to prove to everyone right away, I have to win them over and show them why Quentin cast me and no one else in the part, and why no one else could've brought to it what I brought to it. And it wasn't just putting on the muscle. That's just one component of it. When people see Donowitz, they have to see the anguish and the anger and the fury in this guy's face, and it has to be real right before he beats [the Nazi soldier] to death. You have to be with this guy right from the moment you see that look in his eyes. He is a killer. He will beat every Nazi to death. There's no question about it.
And right from the beginning, Quentin said, "Look, you have another career here if you want it. I don't want to take you away from what you want to do, but you could be a star if you wanted." And I said, "Quentin, I've worked my whole life to be a director. I wouldn't give that up for anything. And how am I going to top the experience of working with you and Brad and Christoph and Diane?" And he goes, "Well, you might not, but now you've got permission to write great parts for yourself." And that really opened me up creatively. He said, "No one's going to give you shit because you've gone toe-to-toe with the best. You've held the screen with Brad Pitt. He's the biggest movie star in the world, and there you are holding the screen with him. You've proven it. So people aren't going to prejudge your movie if you write a part for yourself." That was my goal. I gave it everything I had. I wanted people coming out of this movie going, "I had no idea he was capable of that, and we're excited to see what he does next."
Beaks: I really want to talk about your entrance. Quentin gave you a fucking great entrance.
Roth: Quentin called me while he was editing, and said, "Alright, I'm not letting you see it until Cannes, but I fucking hooked your ass up. That's all I'm saying. You've got Hitler and Brad Pitt talking you up before you come on screen. I gave you the coolest entrance!"
Beaks: To THE BIG GUNDOWN score. That's one of the greatest Morricone cues ever.
Roth: It's spectacular. And he didn't tell me he was using that cue. He wouldn't tell me what it was until I saw it for the first time in Cannes, and I was just... we're just sitting there watching me, and my jaw was on the ground. I couldn't believe that was me. I grew up watching THE DIRTY DOZEN thinking, "It would be so cool to be one of those guys." And then you're in college dressed up like RESERVOIR DOGS going, "Oh, man, if I was Mr. Blonde..." And there you are, in that theater - especially at Comic Con, because I had a little more distance from it. I was like, "Oh, my god." People were going fucking crazy. They want Donnie. And I come out with a bat all ripped up, and they're all like, "Yeah!!!" They're with him. They are fucking with this guy." They see me, and they know that I'm going to fucking bring the red stuff."
(Spoilers a-comin'!)
Roth: And that ending. when we were shooting Hitler...
Beaks: Tearing him apart with bullets.
Roth: I said to Quentin, "I wouldn't just shoot this guy. I would stand over his face and shoot him until his fucking head exploded." If it's the last thing I ever do, fuck everything else: shoot this motherfucker until you know for fucking sure he ain't getting up again. This isn't Jason, where we shoot him once and walk away. We fucking stand there until he's dead and disintegrated. And then we blow him up. (Laughs) And that fire was real. That fire turned very real. And it was fucking terrifying. I mean, we weren't burning, but it really kind of added to the insanity of that scene.
(Spoilers Concluded.)
Beaks: How do you respond to the criticism that came out of Cannes about the perceived frivolity of this movie? People are saying that you just can't touch this subject if you're not going to handle the subject matter with the utmost seriousness.
Roth: These critics would go, "How could you change history?" And I'd say to them, "Excuse me, what about those other "historically accurate" movies where they have British people speaking with German accents? Because when my ancestors and my relatives were being burned in ovens and gassed and shot, I can guarantee you it wasn't British people shooting them." And they go, "Uhhh." I'm like, "How is this any more historically inaccurate?" What's so wonderfully liberating about the fact that it is a work of fiction is that it makes me draw my own conclusions; it makes it more relevant to my life. I think about after September 11th, how I fantasized about being on those planes and fucking crashing them and killing those hijackers. Quentin has tapped into something very real; it's a very real human emotion of wishing you could go back in time and sacrifice yourself to stop evil and save thousands. It's something that everybody has experienced.
And what about all of these "accurate" movies where people aren't even speaking their own language? It took Quentin Tarantino to have Germans speak German in a war movie, and French people speak French. It's so fucking obvious! But it makes those characters so real and so much more relatable and enjoyable and more human. They're not just people acting in a war movie, those are real characters!
Beaks: It's not Tom Cruise.
Roth: Yeah! Quentin always says his movies take a couple of viewings. There's always the expectation of what the movie is, and people are surprised. Then they watch it again and see it for what it is. He said when people saw PULP FICTION the first time, they said, "Oh, it's so violent!" Then they watched it again, and were like, "Well, it's not that violent. It's actually pretty funny." And then the third time they watched it, they were like, "It's a masterpiece! It's beautiful!" He said with JACKIE BROWN, they were expecting PULP FICTION 2. And then with KILL BILL [VOLUME 1], they said, "Where are those great dialogue scenes from JACKIE BROWN?" And then he gets to all the dialogue in KILL BILL: VOLUME 2, and they're like, "Where's all the action from KILL BILL? We thought this was KILL BILL 2." He said no matter what he does, everyone expects something else, and it takes a few viewings to get that out of your system and get used to it.
Beaks: So contrast the channeling of this fury as the Bear Jew and then going off to author a film in the voice of like a Riefenstahl-esque propagandist.
Roth: Yes. "Uli Rothenstahl", I was calling myself.
Beaks: (Laughing) Obviously, it's always fun for a writer to, say, "write in the voice of Hemingway". But this is filming in the voice of one of the most nefarious propagandists in the history of film.
Roth: I wanted it to be authentic. So I said, "This has got to be about the power of the swastika, and I can't play it safe. We're going to make propaganda, and the more powerful and ridiculous the movie is, the better." And it becomes ridiculous once you see Hitler reacting to it. It just shows what buffoons these guys are, and the self-aggrandizing of them and how ridiculous it was. But it's also scary how effective these movies were. Most people haven't seen a Nazi propaganda movie, and that's what they're like. I just kept going, "More swastikas! More swastikas!" Quentin had three shots in the script, and I kept saying we could have all these bits where we could show the bodies getting higher and higher... and have this huge pile of bodies that you can't even climb over. And then have a baby carriage go rolling by ala Eisenstein. And then someone uses the baby as a shield. And then he carves a swastika, and it gets covered with bullets, and later he uncovers the power of the swastika, and it gives him the power to kill everybody. We had all of these different story beats, but Quentin only needed about fifteen seconds for the movie. But it gave him the scope and scale and feel of a real battle film. I think there was 200 shots in the final piece in five-and-a-half minutes. My brother Gabriel flew out to Berlin, and during those two days of shooting the battle scene, he was my second unit director. And we just staggered the cameras and had twenty guys running back and forth between us, and a couple of fake bodies from KNB. We just... threw threw people off buildings and down stairs and in fountains and out of buildings. It was crazy. It was so much fun. But had I not made three films and the GRINDHOUSE trailer, I would've never been able to do that. Now, I actually kind of like shooting at that pace.
Beaks: But was there ever a moment where you had to stop shooting and go, "Alright, this is too much. This is too fucked up. I need to take a break."
Roth: Never. This is a character in a scene. I wanted it to be authentic. I just wanted it to really feel like one of those propaganda movies were.
Beaks: It's fucking madness.
Roth: Yeah. It was a little bit of..., "Ooh, are we allowed to do this?" It was totally forbidden. I never thought I would do something like that. I mean, why would you ever make a movie like that? You wouldn't. But once I freed myself up to do it, I was like, "Well, actually, I'm quite good at this. I could've done very well as a Nazi propagandist."
Beaks: So you were talking about writing roles for yourself. Are you going to write yourself a lead in your next film?
Roth: Who knows what the future may hold? I'm going to do whatever feels right. I can't say anything because... I don't know. I don't know what the future is. I'm just now enjoying the moment and not trying to think too far ahead, and doing whatever I feel. And if I write myself a part... there's no such thing as a small part. There are good parts and bad parts, and you just want to write great parts. Some of those will be for me, and some of those will not. We'll see. It depends what the role is.
Beaks: Are you thinking your next film will be outside of the horror genre?
Roth: It's all about the story and the idea. I don't think, "Oh, it's time to do this genre, or it's time to do this genre." My interests and my taste change. It's like with music: the music that I'm listening to now is not the music that I'm going to be listening to two years from now. Even though I'll always love The Beatles, there are new bands and phases that I'll go through, And that's kind of how you make films. Films just take a lot longer to do. I've just learned I can't really plan too far ahead.
INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS opens nationwide on August 21st. Do not miss it.
Faithfully submitted,
Mr. Beaks
And what about all of these "accurate" movies where people aren't even speaking their own language? It took Quentin Tarantino to have Germans speak German in a war movie, and French people speak French. It's so fucking obvious! But it makes those characters so real and so much more relatable and enjoyable and more human. They're not just people acting in a war movie, those are real characters!
Faithfully submitted,
Mr. Beaks
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he's a fucking good guy. met him once and he was great and he makes great films. loved all three of them. Looking forward to what he does next
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The commentary on Hostel is pretty funny, I think the Europeans called him a bear anyway.
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the hostel movies are fun and inglourious basterds is going to kick ass.
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C'mon, Machete is gettin love.
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that is all.
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Repent, Eli. Repent or pay forever.
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That is all.
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I went to the Cabin Fever director's cut screening in LA last week. Met him. Got photo with him. Awesome guy in person.
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After a while into the interview?
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What's up admins?
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I don't know. Perhaps it was because you called Eli Roth a "faggot". Next time, you're banned.
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Sorry. I see retarded kids screaming so much wild ass shit in these talkbacks I didn't think there WERE any rules.
Wait. Is it because of the word 'faggot'? Or is it because Eli Roth is your buddy?
It wasn't a comment on his sexuality either. Gahh, whatever. Fine. Eli Roth is a powerful visionary director who is both proficient and likeable as an actor as well, and he is funny and handsome and has nice teeth and I hear he is QUITE hetersexual, but that's not a knock against gays, they are valued members of our society.
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Aug 18, 2009 1:50:04 AM CDT
ROTH, GOOD AT SELF PROMOTION, SHIT AT MAKING MOVIES…..
by carlthormark1978
The Thanksgiving trailer is the best thing that Roth has ever done. I can’t hate him because he did use some of John Harrison’s Creepshow score for that trailer and, on the Trailers From Hell site, has professed his love for that fucking awesome movie. So he isn’t all that bad. It’s just that I have not been impressed, at all, with any of his features. He’s only done three movies since he debuted with Cabin Fever in 2002 while the Hostel movies offered nothing in the way of innovation nor did they show any improvement in his writing skills which are rudimentary at best.
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He allows talkback wankers to tear Bob Orci and Don Murphy and many others who hate Harry's wide load to shreds. Literally the Creepy Thin Man was on here and he tore filmmakers to shreds. But I guess they weren't Beaks' boyfriend. So don't call Eli a faggot by any means. Do point out that after Hostel 2 no one would LET him direct again... that starring in the film that is gonna bomb this weekend is no good idea for a new career. That Dimension let CELL go because they didn't want Eli. Same with Warners and Bad Seed. So go write your any genre parts, and let me know when you get the green light. Probably around the time Haing Ngor gets hired to act again!
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Aug 18, 2009 2:01:21 AM CDT
Traumnovelle, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHO'S ASS THIS SITE KISSES...
by carlthormark1978
Eli Roth is connected with QT, and both are friendly with Harry, so you don’t dare say shit about them otherwise you’ll get hit with the ban hammer but if it’s Don Murphy or Boborci, you can call them every name in the book, the way I have, and fear not. Also, Beaks, why are you here anyway? Did Faraci feel that you were a threat to his position at CHUD and had TheNunz shitcan you?
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It's the word. It's that simple. Go ahead and tear the guy's films apart if you loathe them that much. Lay into me all you want. I don't care. Just do it without resorting to hate speech.
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Eli's living the dream. You all act like he molested your children or something. Sheesh!
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that Hostel and Hostel 2 are two of the biggest piles of shit ever to plop onto a screen? That Eli Roth couldn't make a watchable film even if the lives of everyone on the planet depended on it? That, in the above interview, he comes across as the most unjustifiably egotistical fuck ever to grace the pages of AICN? As long as we concede that there is no available evidence that he engages in buttfun with anyone that sports a cock and balls...right? Just want to be clear on "The Eli Exception", considering everyone else ever to be even remotely involved in film has been labeled a "faggot" by at least five talkbackers at various points in AICN history, with no repercussion.
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Roth is a fucking hack. The worse sin that Quentin Tarantino has done, considering his undeniable genius in film, is fucking nurture and support fucking horrible filmmakers like Eli fucking Roth.
In the pass many great filmmakers would reach down and help young talent out of the gutters of exploitation films and help them make great movies. QT has reached down and pulled up the fucking exploitation films and left behind the talented filmmakers.
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..if I'm not commenting on his sexuality!
These days, a 'faggot' is an annoying and unlikeable shitface. You've really never said that about somebody? Gay dude at my work calls dumb motherfuckers faggots all the time, it's awesome. Have you never called something 'gay' in a negative sense? If you have, which I'm sure you have, you are a HATEMONGER.
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Not in my talkbacks. And if anything like that has slipped through, it's because I don't have time to monitor my articles 24/7.
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What makes Roth good? Describe what he does that is good, anything, without using the words "cool", "crazy", "fucked up", "gory" or "fun." So no dumb buzz words.
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My apologies Michael_Bay_Rox, you have your own reasons for liking his films. But still, tell me what he does that makes him above criticism. If you want I can go on a whole itinerary of stuff that I hate about his films.
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You probably think getting root canals are fun, too.
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Aug 18, 2009 2:44:12 AM CDT
OH SHIT, DONNY TWO CHINS IS BACK! HEY, FUCKSTICK....
by carlthormark1978
Transformers ROTF has a worldwide haul of 824 million dollars, just showing how many stupid cunts there are in the world, so why would you be wasting your time here when you have a wife who loves you for who you are (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Writing that made me cry with laughter!) and friends who want to be with you, not for what you can do for them, but because of the way you inspire people, your raw manliness and immaculate personal hygiene (HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! Deeeeeeeepppppppp brreeeeeeeeaaaattthhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!). I fucking knew that AICN would get Murphy and his little brigade of cockslurpers posting here upon the eve of Inglourious Basterds because of the infamous incident when QT (a man not known for his masculinity) beat Donny’s ass like his wife smashes her pussy with her industrial strength vibrator to get off while he’s running around town blowing anyone who will advance his pathetic excuse of a career as a movie producer before inevitably stabbing them in the back. How much was your cut of the grosses for Transformers and did you get a congratulatory letter from Spielberg and Bay when the movie reached 800 mill or was it just a brick through your window with “Fetch us some more properties to make us rich you little bitch!” written on the side? Hey, I hear that the rights to Etch A Sketch are available. You should totally snatch that up although I doubt that Bay would be interested as the subject matter would be too intellectual and “arty” for the sub-mongoloid shitball he calls a brain. But don’t worry as I’m sure that Orci and Kurtzman can dumb down the concept sufficiently once they understand that it’s not the one that they roll down the stairs, so I’d give them two to three years on developing that one. The trouble is just how to put in the required amounts of toilet humor, racism and military hardware for Bay to deem it worthy? Of course, if Etch A Sketch is too esoteric for the likes of you fucking cretins, how about an adaptation on the art of flinging your shit against a wall?
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Aug 18, 2009 2:47:35 AM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom, MY NAME IS JOHN PAUL YOUNG, BURGER FLIP
by carlthormark1978
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Aren't you the douche comparing District 9 to fucking Star Wars?
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You're a fucking idiot. That is all till I post again.
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He just goes on about the dudes career.
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He is the reason that I don't want to see this. He sucks on so many levels that it's astonishing. He doesn't know how to pull tension off and shock in his films. I know that's what he wants to do. He just can't direct a good film. He's incapable of it.
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Maybe that was the point?
At least DJ's girlfriend from "Roseanne" show was in it.
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Nothing against the guy,actually used to enjoy some of his posts on his old Transformers message board. Gonna have to google that run-in he supposedly had with QT, I never have got the whole low-down on that deal...imagine it had something to do with the NBK script...
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Aug 18, 2009 3:12:14 AM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, I HAVE STATED THAT I THOUGHT D9 WAS SHIT....
by carlthormark1978
Go to the D9 dedicated Talkback and read my posts, if you so choose, as I explain in detail why I didn't like that movie.
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He is only in QT's movies. And that's because they are friends. He doesn't seem to have much talent. Also heard he was a real dick to anyone not connected to QT's group and that's why Cell got dropped. When he was casted in this I almost wrote this movie off. I'm still seeing it I just know it won't do well. I know it. The advertising has been well horrible. I loved the fake movie trailer and all that but the commercials and bill boards are horrid. District 9 will most likely beat this movie straight up.
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i wanted to see barry egan with a bat.
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He really does!
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Best movie this year, best since Pulp. GREAT FUCKING MOVIE.
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Long after your worthless ass is dead and your wife has married your pool boy who’s been fucking her all throughout your sham of a marriage. Ngor was a physician, an author and an actor for which he received an Oscar for his work in The Killing Fields, a movie about Pol Pot’s ethnic cleansing campaign, known as “Year Zero”, that took the lives of over 2 million people during the Cambodian War. Of course, the importance of that movies subject matter pales in comparison to the film you produced, Permanent Midnight, about a heroine addicted scriptwriter who worked on the TV show A.L.F. Clearly the Academy ignored that masterpiece because their feeble minds couldn’t comprehend it’s mindblowing innovation much in the same way that Orson Wells got the shaft with Citizen Kane which is ironic since the last flick Wells worked on was Transformers The Movie as he soon died after completing his performance as Unicron, a planet eating monster which was typecasting by that point. So there you go Donny, you’re just like Orson Wells, mind you, not the young, brilliant Wells of Citizen Kane but the fat, bloated, aging has been who whored himself out at the end of his life to a franchise build around toys. At least you didn’t have to wait till the end of your life to achieve such synchronicity with Orson, no, you have many, many more years of groveling to people like Bay, Spielberg, Orci and Kurtzman as they make themselves, even more, rich while you remain despised and disrespected as a back stabbing bottom feeder incapable of producing a quality movie on your own while forever trying to grab credit for other peoples work.
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Aug 18, 2009 3:39:33 AM CDT
Don Murphy has been a nice guy every time I read his stuff
by gibsonusa returns
I dont see where all the negativity is coming from...take a deep breath and relax...
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So does it hurt to be a complete and utter kiss ass for no apparent reason other then geek cred?
I conceded in the war on AICN because of the tix I managed to win to D9 but I still think a couple of you AICN blawgaz (Bloggers idiot) need to check your ass kissing nature at the door. You used to be one of us,now your bending over for hollywood love...fag indeed. -
...when A V A T A R is FUCKING OUR EYEBALLS IN 2009?Eli Roth is a self-loving jerk. I don't like his jerkoff face, I don't like his jerkoff name and I don't like him, this jerkoff. He better keep his ugly fuckin' goldbrickin' ass out of my beach community...
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Aug 18, 2009 4:08:48 AM CDT
BEAKS, SERIOUSLY, WHAT ABOUT REFERRING TO PORK FAGGOTS?
by carlthormark1978
There is a product that I saw for sale in Britain called Mr. Brain’s Pork Faggots (Google it), so what if the talkbackers weren’t calling Mr. Roth a “faggot” in an attempt to disparage him by claiming that he was a homosexual but instead were calling him a pork product to insult his Jewish heritage which would really make this about anti-semitism.
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Aug 18, 2009 4:11:03 AM CDT
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THURSDAY'S AVATAR TALKBACK....
by carlthormark1978
It's going to be fucking awesome!
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have to say this messageboard is brilliant , about 3/4 of the way down don makes a poem about someone he is arguing with priceless
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/02/utterly_correct.php
I like roth even if he is a little frat boy-ish -
...that you hate Reality Shows!
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Aug 18, 2009 4:44:11 AM CDT
And I'm slightly disapointed that Joe Dante hangs out...
by derlanghaarige
...with Quentin Tarantino.
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I hated Cabin Fever..but the last 20 or so minutes is amazing...I absolutely LOVED The first Hostel...but the second one just didn't do anything for me. He's got great stuff in him, I just hope he keeps challenging himself and not just kind of make the same old shit.
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is seeing him on those "scariest movie moments" shows on tv. Watching him talk about his love for gore goes to show he's just a regular dude who watches the flicks like you and me. Can't wait to see IB.
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so smart ass guys like Motoko Kusanagi can eat their words.
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don't know jack about him. but the guy loves the beatles. that's aces in my book. the only thing i've seen is the thanksgiving trailer and i laughed my ass off. also, deathproof was very good in my opinion. but i'm not sure it's good simply because i sat through that piece of shite planet death.
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You know I have posted the most vile things in TB, telling how hard my cock was for a movie. How I would treat ScarJo like a farm animal. Slandering other TBers and pwning hatings. Comments littered with fucks and cunts and dicks and cum.
But Eli Roth being called a FAGGOT is VORBOTTEN.
Who knew? -
Motoko Kusanagi= Jimmy Cameron
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With the workprint and all. Good times he had then, eh?
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Many of you guys are over the top with the hate speech stuff. Really, enough is enough!!!
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"And I can't wait to swallow that gravy!"
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guys like us wanna hear when 'Batman 3' comes out. Not hate bullshit...
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He gave you a warning--so show the man some respect, and this site. He could have banned you outright, but did not...and I think that is pretty cool, and more than fair.
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I do HATE being on Aintitcool at twenty of seven in the morning!...
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I think Roth will be the hilight of the movie.
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Guys, he was a fairly important fella, you should have learned his name by now
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"I think about after September 11th, how I fantasized about being on those planes and fucking crashing them and killing those hijackers."
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Eli's films are fun, but they're nothing special. If Eli is indeed the "future of horror" (which is something like what Tarantino called him), then I don't LIKE horror anymore. Voiceless, unfrightening crap.
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I'm not claiming it won't, but to wish that is fucking retarded.Why not wish it is good, then you have something to enjoy?Fuckwits like you are indicative of the problem with this site.
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Faggots are delicious.
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I live by it.
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3...2...1...
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...I only like backstory when it stays in the back. Always seems to work better when the writers, directors and actors know everything about the backstory but we see glimpses in the character.
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and that's really saying something...
Eli Roth gives hacks a bad name. -
I mean, I might just have a media derived idea of what producers are like, but I'm pretty sure if it was me, I probably wouldn't be posting here. I'd be driving sports cars and smoking Cuban cigars and skeet shooting in private clubs with British shotguns and getting into that special section at Laker games and doing really, weird, sick twisted stuff like ... oh, gawd, I don't think I can say it even here, oh why not? ... like trying to make some really good movies that everybody would like and I could also be proud of. I'll never be a producer. But, with luck and hard work, I may work in produce so it won't be quite as stupid if I post on AICN.
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I've discovered that I've like movies made by Don Murphy, Quentin Tarantino and Eli Roth.
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"Tonight, it's That Guy You Never Heard Of in a battle to near death with That Guy You Hate! Surprise guest: Somebody Else You Don't Care About! Because we can't get actors to do this stuff!"
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It's fun to attack others on this site isn't it? Yes, I said I hope it sucks. I hope it sucks because I'm tired of reading "Avatar will fuck your eyeballs." Calling me a fuckwit? Well... how about fuck you?
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it's not just for breakfast anymore.
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isn't being a hate fun
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Happily agreed.
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that I am, indeed, a fuckwit?I like your style, Cheyne. You're OK.
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The Dead Man's Shoes quote wins you some non-douche points.
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yeah agreed that you're a fucking retard.
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YOU CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND FUCK MY SISTER.
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lol who the fuck are you again?
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FUCKING ANARCHY!!!!!
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FUCKING ANARCHY!!!!!
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will be when I'm force feeding my cock down your throat.I'm sorry, I'm not usually like this on here, but I'm caught up in it.
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See?
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Well...you heard it here, folks. And you called Beaks the faggot.
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did you look up "cheyne stoking" so you can make up the death rattle joke? I'm touched.
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at least that what they said that summercamp
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Beaks where is the fucking edit button already!?!?!?!
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I don't stand by anything I've said other than my comments on you wishing a film disaster. That was retarded.Are you actually getting riled up? I thought this was silly banter.Cheyne stoking i did research. A few years ago though, when I first saw the film. When did you first learn the phrase? Attacking my intellect was a good touch.
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Now I'm gonna go do something more productive than argue with Charlie Babbitt. Like watch my paint dry. Redfist, have a nice day.
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Edit button...if only.
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Aint It Slow?....
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Since the days of SSZero. Bravo gentleman.
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ha, see what i just did. off topic. what happened to scriptgirl? did all you queers finally run her off? personally i never sat through any of her vids but i would click on her links to see the picture of her and the twins. never understood the ones who would bag on her looks and she's not attractive at all, as if they've been dating supermodels and are the last word on what is attractive. oh well, c'est la vie.
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to no deletion. Oh the wonderful backpeddling hypocrisy. That being said, I like Roth.
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Come back, Cheyne. We can be friends!
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who knew of 'Dead Man's Shoes.' For that, I say we bury the hatchet.
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Inane arguments I can't be dealing with.
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Can we get a list of words that are acceptable?
Douche, Carpet Muncher, Porch Monkey (it isn't racist, ask Kevin Smith), Blevage Blaster, Cigarette...
How far does the hate thing go? Because I see some pretty damn hateful things that don't include Fraggle Rocking, if you know what I mean. -
The man holds the record for dropping F@gg0+ and N I Double Grr RRR in a script.
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Though his screaming rant after braining a nazi was pretty naff.
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you are referring to a cigarette. queer is acceptable, cocksucker, rear admiral, ass pirate, human torch, mo..etc., are acceptable if referring to other talkbackers in a funny and clever way. pure hate is generally unacceptable. got it entrainer you cocksucking pussy piece of shit.
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Is a movie about a group of pissed off gay dudes?
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He's the real fascist
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I think the only previous time I read that term was in a Harlan Ellison collection called _An Edge in My Voice_ and he was complaining about _Catcher in the Rye_ being removed from a high school library because a couple semiliterate parents drop into Cheyne-Stokes breathing when they come across the f word on the printed page. Thank you for reminding me, as I hadn't bothered to look up what it actually was until now.
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HOW DO I GET TO SEE THIS DAMN THING! That and Crispin Glovers films. Fuckers with all the assinine shit thats put out on DVD can't you not make an exception?
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QT's films are more important then his own.
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And all Letterman was talking about was Brad Pitt. About what a huge MOVIE star he was. I guess tabloid star = movie star now. Sure he's been around for forever, but Letterman was acting like QT was directing De Niro or Brando. I mean what CLASSIC role has Pitt done? 12 Monkeys? Its not like he's been in some classic movie. Like a movie that makes everyones top ten movies of all time. Same with his butt buddy Cloondawg.
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I get it Eli, you fucking love QT. I think that is the point of this convo. Talk about hero worship.
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A lot of people would make a case for Fight Club.I wouldn't, but still.
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I feel like I'm reading some ugly 12 year old girls blog about how hot the quarterback of their football team is.
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I actually used to like the guy. I liked Cabin Fever. Hostel sucked, but I thought it was funny that it was the number 1 film at least (probably did better then this will). I like his shit eating attitude on screen, this interview totally changed my view of the guy.
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You think Letterman has even seen Fight Club? Let alone puts it in high regard, he's probably going off of the Ocean movies in his high praise. Or possible River/Ledgends/Button. Letterman isn't an idiot about movies like Leno, but I don't think he is big on subversive stuff like Fight Club and 12 Monkeys.
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The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford. Great Fuckin movie.
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Do you think it'll ever be on DVD? Or would getting the rights be too hard? I would be awesome if Dante got 2 Many Djs to make a soundtrack with it.
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The only interview I've ever seen/read with QT in which he hasn't come across as a prick was the recent one on RT. Even then it wasn't hugely enlightening, though.
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Didn't the Producers curb that thought way back when?
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Yeah that is a great movie. But who the fuck outside of movie fans has scene it? That is not a movie that makes Brad Pitt (according to QT) "the biggest movie star in the world". I mean its the star persona outside of his films that makes him that, not his movies. Like go up to someone in your office that isn't a movie nerd and ask them to name 5 Brad Pitt movies and they'll probably ask you "were there 4 or 5 Ocean movies?".
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Downfall.
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Fight Club or Se7en. Your pick.
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Again you think someone like David Letterman holds Se7en and Fight Club in such high regard? That or all those teenie boppers and house wives who buy US Weekly and check out magazines? Those are the movies they want to see Brad Pitt in? General nerd opinion is not public opinion. Nor is trendy hipster college kid opinion.
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http://tinyurl.com/9m6dn7
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horrible band
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If I offended someone in the TB for using Fag as a word,sorry. If I offended Beaks? Stop all the ass kissing,and outright "hilterism" and just be a fucking humble dude. By the way,I like Eli Roth, 'cept that misstep Hostel 2.
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You repetetive, boring Roth bashers are cum-guzzlers. Yes? No?
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Whenever that guy does his evil smile he ends up looking like a creepy kiddy fiddler.
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Can't really make a claim that he knows what it good.
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This is a site that had people posting the BLood Libel ("may this be on him and his children") to Tom Rothman because he messed with Watchmen. Harry used to refer to "Aquafag." It's not that we're all itching to call Roth names, it's the double standard.
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Aug 18, 2009 2:31:44 PM CDT
"don't know jack about him. but the guy loves the beatles."
by wookie1972
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Aug 18, 2009 2:31:51 PM CDT
"don't know jack about him. but the guy loves the beatles."
by wookie1972
SO did Charles Manson.
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why do i even bother. anything with brad pitt is sucky from the start.
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This is just embarassing.
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..I would rather be forced to watch a Brett Ratner/McG filmfest on continuous loop with my eyes clawed open a la Alex in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE then sit through any of your insipid torture porn shitfests and to watch you pretend to be a badass in a movie is more like asking what, was Dakota Fanning busy? If there is a God then cocaine arrhythmia will find you and QT both.
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That applies to QT and Roth. Learn some humility.
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What would be the point?
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Hey how bout YOU go cut a new trailer for this movie. If this movie is ANY! ANY! good then that is the worst trailer ever made in the history of trailers. The trailer is especially sad since QT and Eli are self proclaimed trailer extraordinaires, between the two of them they should not have let that trailer happen.
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Not Brad Pitt. I'm not even a Will Smith fan but fact is fact.
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*Sigh*
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Aug 18, 2009 3:36:25 PM CDT
AICN is still marketing this fucking movie and banning people...
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....for it? Haha! Pathetic. Keep the coward antics comin!!!
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.....my dead whore grandmother (god rest her soul) could fuck up that chimp in a brawl. He looks like a little chimp confused by his sexual identity.
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Aug 18, 2009 3:39:40 PM CDT
didn't mean to use 'chimp' in close proximity....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
....forgive me. Fill in the second use with whatever expletive you enjoy!! How 'bout BEAKS? Instead of the F word (bundle of twigs) perhaps BEAKS can serve the same purpose. "WHAT A FUCKING BEAKS!"
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and screaming at his monitor. "Why the fuck are you nerds discussing this, discuss Inglourious Basterds! AAAAAAAHHHH!" Hahahaha.
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snizz
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For what? You didn't enjoy his movie(s) but you saw them anyway,So he must be doing SOMETHING right. Name 3 other new directors who actually make horror for horrors sake...or rather torture/horror....don't worry i'll wait
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If your so high and mighty on the rules,post em.I know you'll say "Go find em" but if your gonna throw the rule book at us atleast have the balls to open said book first prick.
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Aug 18, 2009 4:06:38 PM CDT
Beaks having balls? Thats like Roth having talent.....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
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Aug 18, 2009 4:07:40 PM CDT
meta4...so you're defending the torture/horror genre?
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
If this site had an IGNORE feature, your ignorant ass would be the first on my list.
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Sadly.
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Aug 18, 2009 4:15:36 PM CDT
Really? That's weak. For what? Using adult language huh?...
by cheyne_stoking_dms
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I have always wondered why there was so much hate in the talkbacks for people like Kevin Smith and Seth Rogen, they seem like regular geeks who've done good for themselves. Then I noticed that I hate Eli Roth, like i fucking hate that guy. At first it was the whole torture porn thing and how cocky and arrogant he came across in interviews. Now, I think no matter what he does from this point on I'll just fucking hate him anyways.I'm a talkback hater. Maybe i'm wrong but atleast i'm man enough to admit it.One last thing, I know people in talkbacks have called the guy who directed the first two Xmen movies a faggot. Thats what talkback does. If you're going to get all banny,atleast admit that it's cause your a big Roth fan.
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/8/17/ So can we at least still call people pieces of diseased multi-colored camel shit?
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Aug 18, 2009 4:19:09 PM CDT
I really dont give a fuck what kinda films Roth makes.....
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
.....what it comes down to, is not being able to stomach looking at the smug twat. I mean really FUCKING LOOK AT HIM. 15 years ago in high school, you would have beat the shit out of that 5 foot nothin' motherfucker.
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the hate for KS and SR (yes, I'm lazily typing initials) is pure jealousy. I think Beaks is just touchy is all. Suprisingly, people aren't banned for calling Bryan Singer a "faggot." Considering the dude is a real life homo.
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I don't really like to hate much on directors, actors,etc. but, I'm not crazy about Kevin Smith. His early work was pretty funny and he's got a knack for dialouge but he seems like an arrogant dick in real life. Just read some of the blogs he's written on the Viewaskewniverse website. It's pretty evident.
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Beaks sure kicks of at the flick of a few words...I don't entirely blame him.
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Aug 18, 2009 4:47:22 PM CDT
what will AICN do or say when this totally fucking bombs?
by eli_roth_swallows_semen
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that the ole ban hammer was going to get busted out today. do they do eli roth interviews to antagonize people? surely it is well known that nearly everyone who reads(or at least posts) hates him.
ive seen the "bundle of sticks" word dropped a million times in here. i guess you only get banned when its true. -
Laughing his ass off. Does anyone here actually think he's going to take any of this personally? He works in Hollywood. When people talk shit about you that very well may be because you're successful. I kind of hope he turns into a movie where a celebrity goes nuts and starts murdering bloggers.
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I'd stop hating him cause that would be some real David Copperfield shit right there.
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He just comes across smug. I know alot of people hate Dane Cook for the same reason. This ain't really an interview as much as it is him bragging for the first ten paragraphs.
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And yes, I would rather see a uwe boll film than another disasterpiece from roth. pretentious hack.
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I can't take you serious when you saw this article and talkback and went and created your name to "look" cool to ummm nobody...Come back to AICN when you stop having fantasies of Eli Roth draining lil soldiers from a hose.please stop.no really.its embarassing.for us.not for you.obviously.
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Aug 18, 2009 8:18:39 PM CDT
this tb flamed out pretty quickly. how disapointing.
by martinlutherkrangjr
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I'm picturing a lot of awkward comparisons to his own work in-between takes. It's not so much that he's cocky (since most filmmakers probably are) as it is that he really, REALLY likes to talk about himself. Anyway, I actually think he's a pretty solid director and find the idea that QT has enough clout to put whoever the fuck he wants in his films strangely cool. Egos or not, I'd happily pay to watch Inglourious Basterds in theaters.
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Name one of his three films. Or a sequence, or something. Honestly, I've seen no proof that he's a decent director and I'm not baiting. I'm not asking you to sink down to defending the Harry/Eli friendship love train, but at least validate this guy somehow.
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...I like that THAT'S Eli Roth with an extra 40 pounds of muscle. He's still scrawny!
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40 minutes of some guy getting his eyeball tugged out? Lovely.
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Aug 19, 2009 1:04:04 AM CDT
Tarantino needs a fucking reality check - ROTH can't act!
by analfissure
Wasn't the Zoe Bell disaster..ahem..'proof' enough that you can't just turn anyone into an actor overnight? Now we have Roth's rather iffy turn in IB and right from the off, it's clear he's way out of his depth. Like Bell, he just doesn't have the acting chops to convince.
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In all honesty, I actually knew Eli Roth during his college years and he always struck me as a self-absorbed, annoying, unfunny person. I can only imagine what kind of behind-the-scenes-deals he's done to get where he is today, because it surely isn't based on talent or merit.
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Eli Roth takes a bat to the fucking head of Kate Winslet's "innocent" SS officer...
Y'know, maybe I could get on board the IG train after all... -
Deleted? I know you just read this man, let's see if you can stick to your convictions
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And also would've been disgusted by the thought police that apparently roam the talkbacks. Fuck yourself, Beaks.
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And are we sure this guy has directed 3 movies before? He came off as new to the biz as Blow Job Novak did in his interview on Conan a couple nights ago.
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http://www.horroryearbook.com/541648/dr-royce-talks-eli-roth
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you point is stupid. are you going to bring up free speech now?
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for using the f word in a totally non hateful way.
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Aug 19, 2009 12:00:20 PM CDT
how do you use f****t in a non hateful way?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
thats like calling a black person N****r in a non hateful way.
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You'd think Tarantino and Roth murdered children or something...
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No, it's not. F****t had a different meaning before it became a homophobic slur. The N-word, otoh, has always meant what is does now.
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One of the worst performances of any so-called actor I've ever seen. Stick to stunts. otoh, her appearance was useful because it was exactly the point where I realized that we'll never get an honest opinion on a Tarantino movie from the people who run this site. Note to Harry: watching Zoe Bell cut baseballs with a katana offscreen doesn't make it any more appealing for us to see her onscreen.
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F****t was never commonly used to mean a bundle of sticks or a ciggarette. thats in europe. we all know what he meant. he was using it in a derogatory way. its all semantics.
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For another example, there are meatballs which are called by that name. I'm not trying to be disingenuous, I know what the OP meant, I'm just saying that it's not the same as the N-word, which has always meant only one thing.
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She delivered Tarantino's dialogue in a very conversational, naturalistic way. It wasn't Oscar quality stuff, but it was exactly what it was supposed to be. Saying that it was "One of the worst performances of any so-called actor I've ever seen" is just over the top. Talkbackers build everything to extremes. Everything's black or white.
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I know what I watch (and believe me, I've seen MST3K movies, both with and without the bots) and Bell was horrible.
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And that only fortifies my opinion. I felt Zoe was very convincing. In fact, all the girls in Death Proof were a little TOO convincing... to me it felt as if Tarantino simply walked up to a table and filmed a bunch of girls babbling. That's not necessarily a good thing, but it does speak to their ability to handle his dialogue.
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yeah, there was something very unlikeable about Bell in death proof. she reminds me of those obnoxious coked out people like QT.
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and let's leave it at that Zoe Bell was like a charisma black hole in Death Proof, although nothing compared to ELi Roth.
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looks like it got ubgly in here....what happened ,)
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http://tinyurl.com/9m6dn7
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I can call someone a child molester but not a faggot?? How does that make sense?
And for your information any insult or curse is hate speech, regardless of whether or not there are racial or sexual preference connotations.
In which case, just ban all of it with no double standards (and while you're at it why don't you send in an application to the MPAA Ratings Board). -
The ban hammer has been fired and the finger on the trigger was Eli.
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After I finish laughing my ass off! Oops, I peed a little.
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I used to love this website, till' I got banned. I think Rupert Murdoch bought off AICN.
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