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Cool shot though
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Still crying of the ugliness of this shit.
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Uh... where?
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And not in that in front of a green screen way. I mean, wasn't there all that talk about the cgi being so great that Cameron was going to sneak in a rendered human or something? But what the fuck do I care, I'm already sick of hearing about Avatar.
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I'm not expecting this to be mind-blowing.
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It looks like fucking Terminator.
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it just doesnt look that impressive thus far.
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Aug 14, 2009 3:28:29 PM CDT
It's like a tall Gelfling from The Dark Crystal
by basement_cheetoh_eater
I wonder if oversized buzzards will try to suck out it's essence. Hmm......
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Aug 14, 2009 3:29:41 PM CDT
Wow...my life is finally complete...
by the_floating_skull_of_robert_loggia
I've seen gayness personified.
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Is the fact that the fifteen minute preview's coming out soon, and they're showing it in theatres and fucking charging motherfuckers to watch what most movies put on goddamn Myspace. I mean sure it's all about the 3-D, total immersion, vibrator seats, whatever. How goddamn pretentious can you be?
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Avatar looks like shit I hope it flops
Toys look like shit the early scriptment sounds like shit the game looks like shit. Avatars with mullets now... Sam Worthing said the story was shit. Enjoy your 300 million dollar Furry cartoon (Dark Crystal meets Dances with Wolfs) -
How?
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Once again, we see that you are nothing but a hot mess.
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....so far, and I'm certainly interested to see some actual MOVING footage when the trailer etc. hits. OBVIOUSLY it doesn't look eye-fuckingly impressive yet as we haven't been shown any of the movies more wonderous moments yet.... This WILL look fantastic once it's all out there. Not sure about Worthington's haircut though....
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maybe your shitty cinema is charging you to see the preview, but for everyone else it's free.
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Another James Cameron film that's blue.
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WTF? Wow... a picture. I have a feeling this Avatar movie is going to bomb big time. BTW, I am on my way home to play Madden 10 while getting high on hydrocodone! GOOD TIMES!!!
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Aug 14, 2009 3:37:39 PM CDT
Loooks like a deleted scene from Terminator Salvation
by lockesbrokenleg
from the end where they're in the factory.
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and was going to type something about how it looks photorealistic, but the i remembered: I'm on the talkback, where the anoraks, geeks and other rejects roam, so now i'll just say this: it' looks like shit! JC is a hack, aliens was a fluke! sam worthington's acting will be the fakest thing in the movie! sigourney weaver's pussy is wrinkly! fuck michael bay! TEH SWINE FLU, DON'T GO TO THE CINEMA! Harry is fat!
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That's gotta be a James Cameron film... cue the blue fill light!
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...I was expecting more, I don't know...alien...and less Middle Earth
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Between your describing this as supercool and your review of Star Trek...just stick with TV.
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... there was a supercool AVATAR still here... I'm not the biggest Cameron fan around but I hope something fun comes out of this movie -- perhaps a cool immersive experience.
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Hey talkback haters - Fuck you! I know NOTHING is ever good enough for you and you absolutely HAVE to hate EVERYTHING you see in order to feel superior to everyone else. But guess what? No one cares.
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....just WHEN did Sam Worthington EVER say Avatar's story was shit??
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...for my eyeballs to be raped. Sure hope this movie is worthy of all the hype.
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As Devin said, it may be that it looks so good that it's gone beyond photo-real and back to photoshop!
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Rubber dummies just look like crap, particularly in water. There's just no way to make them look good. CGI probably would have worked better for this scene. Just sayin'.
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... does that make you feel better.
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just in no way at all am i excited for this flick.i should be,love the sci-fi genre.
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we're all just waiting for a trailer now. Thank God they gave it a release date. Gonna be fucking crazy
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This slow-drip of Avatar tease is like pulling a girl who you didn't know was wearing a Wonderbra.How many of us will be left staring at something subtantially less than we were expecting come December?
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that's even worse than trusting AICN's reviews.
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It's nice to have something mysterious to look forward to.
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I don't know what the FUCK the deal is with cameron coloring all his movies blue. It's pretty goddamn annoying. The only film I can think of in which he restrained himself on that was the first Terminator. That's actually lit very naturally and one of the reasons it's by far his best film. Everything else, even going back to his Corman days, is just saturated with blue light.
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Don't be a twat,yours seems to be the only comment defending what is,essentially,a terribly disappointing still.
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My virgin eyesockets remain intact.
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Looks like those little Elves from The Dark Crystal... only, this time: FAIL.
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Aug 14, 2009 3:55:12 PM CDT
Looks like that blue elf got caught playing a saxophone!
by mrmysteryguest
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When did you see a deleted scene from that POS?
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SO AWESOME!!! I'M SUCH A HUGE LOSER NERD THAT I MUST CUM ALL OVER ANY IMAGE FROM THIS MOVIE EVEN THOUGH IT VERY WELL MIGHT SUCK!!!!!
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It looks like Kenny Fuckin Powers checkin out some naked chick floatin in a thing filled with water thinkin, "I'd tap that."
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Just because I listen to him, doesn't mean I always agree. It was just a funny anecdote. You with the guys who have a problem with Devin's piece on the avatar stuff? If so, do grow up.
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Not going to see it now.
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Come on fella, your platform's ready!
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The guy doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. He gives good reviews to the films that suck his dick for him aswell. Bribed.
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"What an unoriginal cover! This author's last book cover was blue... and the cover art reminds me of a different book. I can't believe anyone would buy this. THIS BOOK SUCKS! FAIL!"
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...just like that...
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Time for some hard-edged sci-fi action like Cameron can deliver, not cartoon bullshit like Transformers and GI Joe. I like the look of the avatar; it appears serious in design, not cartoony, and not some comedy Jar Jar creation as some other cretin posted on another talkback. As regards it looking too 'human' - there are reasons for this in the story, both on an audience identification level, and in the scientific background behind the story.BTW, Trannyformers Apologist, I'm probably wasting my time here, but are you fucking retarded, or just inbred? Stop spreading complete lies - Sam Worthington has had nothing but praise for this film, INCLUDING the story, as I called you up for in another talkback. You know, by providing a source quote from an interview. Please post proof of what you say, or stop mouthing off. Oh, the early scriptment - it doesn't SOUND like shit. It IS fantastic. I've READ the fucking thing. Clown.
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My eyeballs have been fucked. Ho-hum.
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Aug 14, 2009 4:02:27 PM CDT
Yeah, heaven forbid that the liquid containing blue aliens...
by mr. nice gaius
...gives off a blue glow when backlit by overhead fluorescents.Jeezus, fellas.
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I'm not defending this still, you asshat. I'm simply fucked off with the Talkbackers proclaiming the film to be an abortion on the basis of this still. Fuck it - i remember why i don't bother posting here.
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I'm not yet saying I think it will suck, though. Mostly because I'm not clear on what it's about.
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I agree that the losers complaining about the blue are tards, but on the other hand- the hype machine on this movie is set to it's highest setting and all they're releasing are two lame images. What do you expect? People are going to pour over every image that's put out because the hype-lords have crowned the film nerd cum worthy.
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THEY'RE ON THE BARBER SHOP JUICE PLANET. DANGERS ABOUND ON THE BARBER SHOP JUICE PLANET.
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*still* not clear...
I left out a word.
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is if the 3d glasses come with a complimentary blow job preformed by an actress of your choice.
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Fair enough...and asshat was pretty mild!LOL!
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hmmm, get off the avatars Dick!!! I'm not completely sure this isn't going to suck, Dude man hasn't done anything substantial since Titanic, you'll never convince me that wasn't because of "performance anxiety" not saying he wasn't awesome in his day, but kind of wondering if Cameron can still do it
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A shill and a sell-out - actually, he's not a sell-out, because if you've never had any integrity to begin with, then you can't fall, and CHUD has always been a den of assholes. GI Joe - 8.5 out of 10. Dark Knight sucks. Reviews T4 and gives it four stars in Empire magazine, then shits on it on his website. An agenda against Fox. Anyone who trusts these webmasters' opinions needs their heads examined. They are bought off with free swag, and quite frankly the big studios know how to play these guys like a fiddle now. They know all too well that these people are social retards who want a place at the cool kids' table, so they reel them in with the proverbial carrot. Hook, line, and sinker.
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why people continue to bad talk this movie escapes me. i'll personally take anything original at this point. especially when it's original from james cameron. what is there to complain about?
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ET was never so vain.
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...that you assholes really are the worst people in the history of the world. Just a bunch of pampered, joyless brats.
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http://www.dangerouslyasian.com/avadelgo/avadelgo.jpg
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Just sayin'
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dangerouslyasian.com/avadelgo/avadelgo.jpg
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You won't be disappointed.
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I loved this lighting setup in 'T2' and 'Titanic.'
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Aug 14, 2009 4:21:54 PM CDT
TheContinentalOp is a ray of bright joyful sunshine.
by margot_tenenbaum
Anyway, this picture isn't 'supercool' -- it's just a Starlog magazine 'look what's coming in six months' picture. We haven't even begun to enter the Avatar hype machine yet.
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on that alien. Cameron is really stuck in the past. Sp the '80s...
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and yet here you are adding your negativity to the heap
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Behind GI Joe!!
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deserves a massive roundhouse to the genitals.
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Fuck'em.
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www.dangerouslyasian.com/avadelgo.jpg
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Gotta join the underwhelmed here. Hey, I'll pay my frakkin $20 to see it in IMAX 3D, but there's nothing going on in this *supercool* image. Muppet in a tanning bed?
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talk about over hype...i sure hope the film looks better...bad CGI..looks like an actor in front of a matte painting-state of the art FOR THE 80's....on the positive side nice shade of Blue........
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Looks pretty good.
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Was a computer animated movie?
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That Cameron was waiting for, the ability to sleep in the water barbers put combs into?
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But calling images like this "super-cool" and devoting an article to them is exactly what is going to cause this movie to be over-hyped.
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this will be a good movie. Not crazy about the alien haircut though.
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Wanna See A SuperBLUE New Still From James Cameron’s AVATAR??Hey, I'm still jazzed to see this. I'm just tired of every sliver of info, being treated like the holy grail.
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where?
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still not sold on this
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As I said, it was a funny anecdote! I think these images look alright, just not as good as the hype machine (i.e: Cameron himself) has implied! His fault for hyping it up.
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Learn some fucking respect.
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You guys bring out the worst in people...and each other.
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I thought this was an action film. So far, I'm bored with Avatar and how.
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That ain't gonna change come December.
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How do you manage to stay above it all?
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dances with wolves has become dances with blue penis innnnnnnnnn spaaaaaaaaace
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But you got to admit he has a cool name.
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Lying down. *Rimshot*
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FFS, have you no patience? It's only a week from now. Then let the bashing/praising begin.
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they just cant get them to look more than a fucking mannequin
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MaliceHighload wins 'Quote of the Day'.
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MY FUCKING EEEEEYES!!!
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MY FUCKING EEEEEYES!!! SO THIS IS HOW EYE SEX FEELS LIKE LOL.
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I know I can't be the only one who thinks this movie is a huge steaming pile of shit?
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Is this AICN? A James Cameron movie that cost $200 set 200 years in the future with a fully realised alien world, massive battles, super cool FX (maybe too much CGI but not really an issue) and an engaging plot... what the picture didn't break your fucking virginity? I really give up on this site if you don't have some excitement for this. This is not Watchmen or whatever else burnt you in the last 15 years, this is the first film from the master of sci-fi fantasy SINCE AICN FUCKING STARTED! I could spit
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that fills every talkback on this site these days astounds me. It doesn't anger me any more, it just depresses me. Just fucking once it'd be nice for somebody to just plainly say, "Hmm. This could be cool." Sad fucking state, here.
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TOO MUCH BLUEEEE!!!
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as in, everything in the tank? if it is it looks good enough for me. Haters can guzzle my neon blue jizz.
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Aug 14, 2009 5:35:51 PM CDT
My eyeballs are not exactly fucked..............................
by crackerfarmboy
So far all that I've seen from Avatar is a whole lot of blue.
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nice to look at but not much else....I fear the Emperor
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I want to see a John Quade obit/talkback. Cue the lordofhell.
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You guys a bunch of douche nozzles. You hate everything. And I do mean everything. How can you hate something you haven't seen yet. Not even a fucking trailer. Just a few pics. Oh and by the way half of you dick weeds were sucking so much of Peter Jackson's dick before Kong came out, because he's the fucking Lord of The Rings director. Only to be hating anything he even thinks about now. Why can't you cum buckets just judge the fucking movies on there own merits. And to hate on this movie just because it's CGI and has blue aliens instead of something what green or yellow or red. Hey maybe Blue is his favorite color get over it. I'll be seeing the movie just like the rest of you ass clowns. Which I also find hilarious. You trash it before it comes out then see it anyway. Hypofuckingcrites. Yes I use the you a lot I have keyboard turrets. Well I'm going to see district 9 before you douches come out and shit all over it for just being an allegory on apartheid.
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man with buzzcut and a blue alien.
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Cool it buddy! We're just voicing our opinions on the image released and a few people, myself included, think that Cameron has overhyped the technology used to make this film. Engaging story will be seen in the cinema, right now we have nothing to go on aside from a shallow plot summary. Proper judgments will come when we all inevitably see this film. Even if it sucks, it'll make millions due to curiosity alone. Maybe that's the revolutionary thing about it??
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It's like nothing I've ever seen before...
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...something. So this is it. This is all you get.
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How am I supposed to be seriously compelled about an entire cast of weird-looking CGI-faced alien beings?
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Aug 14, 2009 6:09:13 PM CDT
Enjoy your overhyped "Dances with Furry Mullet Muppets" SHITFEST
by trannyformers_apologist
This what is meant to say...
The lack of hype and positive buzz from 6500 Comic con attendees .
The early scriptment was terrible .
Reports of lackluster dialogue .
"Dances with Wolfs" in space story blatant ripoff of 4 or 5 movies.
Dark Crystal mullet Furries .
Outrageous "game changer,epic masterpiece, photoreal" hype .
Sam Worthington told IESB that the story wasn't anything spectacular"wasn't the be all end all."..
Cameron preaching to us:..Environmentalism ,exploitation of the Native Americans and probably slavery. (Na'vi are mostly played by African Americans.....wonder why?....)
Fox and Cameron don't seem to want to promote "Avatar Day" Nobody I know has heard of "AVATAR DAY".
I hope it flops and FOX fires Rothman.
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By, I dunno, maybe actually watching the film? I still haven't seen any footage from the film, at all. Funny how many people have written the film off without seeing one frame of it.
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when they showed footage of The Watchmen. LOL. The rest of your post is just opinion.
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will help lower expectations so people will actually be impressed on the day.
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Not.
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We've seen two pics of it. I'm not exactly thrilled about Avatar, but I am not gonna write it off until I see footage.
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We're all entitled to be as underwhelmed as we like. But as someone who has been on these boards every day since day one I am just a touch shocked at the reaction this time. I am utterly confident that I will have a pretty awesome experience with this film. And I say that being aware of 'potential' issues with CGI, cheesy elements and so on. But this is James Cameron and we should be respectful and expectant on this site. And enjoy the build up and hope that it will deliver (which I think I will). But yeah it's good to temper enthusiasm. We all remember 99
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Blowin' with the jasmine in my mi-i-i-i-ind...
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... A blue elf from World of Warcraft. BORING!
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Fucking moron
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but my eyeballs, nor anything else are "fucked". I just don't know what to think, I am glad Cameron is keeping stuff under wraps, because going into a movie knowing too much is never good IMO. But I have yet to see anything that really impresses me, and maybe that's good, but I still think we should be shown at least one thing that looks totally and utterly original and breathtaking because as of yet, we have not. I have faith it will be a good movie, but so far the only thing making me want to see it is it's Cameron doing sci-fi.
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that's pretty cool.
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Looks ok, but if it turns out badly at least we have District 9.
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Cameron and his team really have been creating a completely alien world over the past 5 years, from the tiniest blade of grass or insect to the 1000 foot trees.
The Pandora scenes really are dreamlike. Most of the haters will be convinced after seeing the trailer, which should provide more of a story context and will be more "hype-inducing" than the relatively disonnected (albeit amazing) scenes shown at Comic-Con. -
You're still full of shit."The lack of hype and positive buzz from 6500 Comic con attendees". - Blatant lies. Reaction to the comic con footage has ranged from subdued positivity to outright jubilation - look around the web and at different sites for opinions and reactions. Not one person has said anything particularly negative, not even that disingenuous and biased fraud, Devin Faraci."The early scriptment was terrible" - more nonsense. The early scriptment was absolutely incredible. Try reading it, douchebag. It's the reason why some of us are actually informed and excited about this movie in the first place - and that was ONLY a rough scriptment."Reports of lackluster dialogue" - uh, where, exactly? And from a couple of primarily visual scenes shown at Comic Con? Please. The dialogue is solid and appropriate to what was shown so far, from what I hear of peoples' opinions. Expecting Mamet or Shakespearean soliloquies from a couple of comic con scenes? Talk about clutching at straws."Dances with Wolves" in space story blatant ripoff of 4 or 5 movies." - Anything can be comapared to anything, and you can make any kind of generic statement. It has absolutely nothing to do with specifics or good storytelling. I could just say D9 is an ALien Nation in SA rip-off, or The Matrix is a Ghost in the Shell and Johnny Memonic rip-off, couldn't I? Utterly meaningless statements."Sam Worthington told IESB that the story wasn't anything spectacular"wasn't the be all end all.".." - wrong again, and blatantly dishonest misappropriation of quotes. He was talking about the absurd expectations of hype when he said "not the be all and end all", nothing to do with the story. From the very same interview: Interviwer: "All I've heard about is the motion capture of Avatar and how it's going to change everything, but I'm curious about the story, how does that speak to you?"
Sam Worthington: "With Jim it's always about story first, as I said, he's very direct. You can put all the bells and whistles you like on it, like with Terminator, but if it's not about revealing some of the human spirit... I can't see, people are going to chew him out. Jim's very in touch with personal relationships. What it means to be, especially in Avatar, what it means to be a man, I can take that from it. Help people who are affected by bullies. I think all those kind of themes and a sense of hope. If you say all that, and then surround it with great technology and fucking whiz-bang explosions, then you're on the path to making something people will remember when they leave the cinema.""Cameron preaching to us:..Environmentalism ,exploitation of the Native Americans and probably slavery. (Na'vi are mostly played by African Americans.....wonder why?....)" - This will be 'preachy' in the same way that T2 and Abyss was preachy - ie. action and drama first and foremost, and subtext there for those that want it. And if you're a neo-con red state inbred that's offended by addressing such pertinent themes (and we can see this from some of the imbeciles over in the D9 talback), then fuck you. As for the Navi being played by mostly ethnic actors - that'll be something to do with accurate motion-capture of actor's faces and thus 'exotic' features, won't it? Nothing to do with making a fucking statement. There are also white actors playing Avatars/ na'vi, and latino, indian, and black actors playing earth troops and scientists."I hope it flops and FOX fires Rothman." - Avatar might be funded and distributed by Fox, but it has one lord and master - James Cameron. This isn't Wolverine or some other Fox product. Cameron is powerful and successful enough and steel willed enough that this movie is all his vision, and he has accordingly been left to his own devices. So no, I'm not hoping this 'flops' just to teach Rothman a lesson, or some other mis-applied and childish 'boycott Fox' nonsense. Some other Fox cluster-fuck like Wolverine 2, rushed to meet a release date and that any generic director could handle- since the director is negligible-can do that.
In ceremonious conclusion - get stuffed, you cunt. You are a boil that needs to be lanced.
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detection. Near the mutant smurf tanks that's where.
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This talk back is the last place to expect respect really and although the term 'master' is thrown around for Cameron, I really don't get it. I'll go see this and let the movie speak for him, but so far, not so good.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/08/james-cameron-the-new-trek-rocks-but-transformers-is-gimcrackery.html
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Why would James Cameron use CGI in a shot like this that can easily be a couple of prosthetics? It just doesn't seem like something that he would do being the practically driven Director that he is.
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And I think I like it!
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This is quite gay.
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I disagree on both points but appreciate the discussion with you. Fingers crossed...
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They better get a kick ass trailer out ASAP or I'm done. The hype is dying by the day. Let's hope the massive promo campaign that's soon to begin will get me excited. Cause right now, everything seems so mediocre and blah.
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AICN has always been full of dickheads, but at least they used to be dickheads that actually like movies. I've no idea why half of you are even here.
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Aug 14, 2009 7:34:59 PM CDT
The people slagging this film are no better than the 'eyefuckers
by basement_cheetoh_eater
Let's face it...not one of us has a fucking clue whether this will be watchable or not. Cameron's done good and bad films (ranging from Terminator to The Abyss to Piranha 2). This may or may not be a success - it may even only be just "ok". But the endless debate one way or the other is futile. Seriously folks..futile.
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actually no not really. looks like something on TV as i pass the living room
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He really has. T1 and T2, Aliens, The Abyss, True Lies, and yes, even Titanic have earned him the right to have his work judged when it's seen, not based on a couple of stills and imagined hype.
Perhaps he overhyped the effects work and vision a little, but I'd imagine that comes from being excited about his vision. Nothing wrong with that. If nerds choose to take his words as absolute gospel then bitch and moan about how it doesn't live up to THEIR expectations, then they deserve disappointment as well as a slap on the dick.
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And you now have my UNDYING loyalty. Great post. Bout time somebody put the Tranny loving motherfucker in his place.
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that has ZERO interest in this movie?
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It sounds as if you know the story beyond what was shown at comic-con?
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p.s: Yes, it's great to have a normal conversation on these talkbacks!
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I'm a bit let down, I thought it would be better.
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can take 12 years and still get my benefit of the doubt was Kubrick, and even then some people were disappointed with Eyes Wide Shut (personally I loved it). Cameron is no Hitchcock, no Kubrick, not even a frickin' David Lean (although he wants to be so badly). As for why the debate is so hot, it;s because the walking ego is selling this as the game-changer, talking about pre and post Avatar eras. Well, screw him, I say.
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If someone could provide a general premise of this movie? Sorry to be so in the dark, but aside from hearing the continuous remarks about it effing eyeballs, I sadly know little else about this movie. I am hopeful that J Cameron can deliver a quality movie, and I do love me a good scifi. Just wish I knew more about this project. Would someone care to enlighten me? Thanks!
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Thank you.
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my eyes arent filled with cum
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"you assholes really are the worst people in the history of the world. Just a bunch of pampered, joyless brats."
Thank you, sir. My sentiments exactly.
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So here's the 30 second version: in the future, humankind wants to take resources from a distant world (filled with aggressive deadly creatures and a 9-10 ft indigenous species called the Navi). To smooth over their intrusion, humans use a hybrid Navi that they can 'inhabit' (hence the term Avatar) - they project their consciousness into them. A wheelchair-bound soldier's mind is thrust into a Navi and he is on their world when he is attacked by one of the dinosaur-like inhabitants (kind of like a rhino). A beautiful Navi warrior woman sees him and also notices that a small fairy-like species of their planet is drawn to him (which is a sign in their culture of a prophecy about a foreign Navi who will lead their people against the intruders). The Navi-inhabited soldier falls for this Navi warrior princess and resists his former colleagues as they bring mech-like equipment and begin invading (and raping the land). This is the general plot of Avatar. You'll find summaries all over the web.
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This is from the Avatar Wikipedia entry.
* SPOILER * SPOILER * SPOILER *
The story’s protagonist, Jake Sully, is a former Marine who was wounded and paralyzed from the waist down in combat on Earth. In order to participate in the Avatar program, which will give him a healthy body, Jake agrees to travel to Pandora, a lush rainforest environment filled with incredible life forms – some beautiful, many terrifying. Pandora is also the home to the Na’vi, a humanoid race that lives at what humans would consider to be a primitive level, but are actually much more evolutionarily advanced than humans from a human perspective. Ten feet tall, with tails and blue skin that sparkles, the Na’vi live harmoniously within their unspoiled world. But as humans encroach on Pandora in search of valuable minerals, the Na’vi’s very existence is threatened – and their warrior abilities unleashed.
Jake has unwittingly been recruited to become part of this encroachment. Since humans are unable to breathe the air on Pandora, they have created genetically-bred human-Na’vi hybrids known as Avatars. The Avatars are living, breathing bodies in the real world, controlled by a human driver through a technology that links the driver’s mind to the Avatar body. On Pandora, through his Avatar body, Jake can be whole once again. Moreover, he falls in love with a young Na’vi woman, Neytiri, whose beauty is matched by her ferocity in battle.
As Jake slides deeper into becoming one of her clan, he finds
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(Anyone telling you the plot is different than our posts is trying to fool you...).
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Looks like Ben Gayflec?
How about a trailer Cameron? Jesus... what the fuck are we still coving this piece of shit. I've seen 3,4 movies now that never even got touched by AICN reviews and instead we just jizzed on Cameron face fucking. -
Thank you both. Sounds intriguing. Appreciate the summaries. Hopeful that Cameron can deliver on the story, plus visuals.
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Something about the composition of this shot just screams "Sam Worthington is supposed to be much closer to us in the real movie." When he talked about blocking the scenes to create an interesting depth of field I was not expecting it to be this transparent.
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So very true but remember, most of these dickhead talkbackers were the first ones to also slag off District 9 prior to it's release and now they all fucking love it!
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Next spring, those of us who have refused to shit all over this movie we haven't yet seen, made by a filmmaker who has a spotless track record (Yeah, I said spotless - if you don't like Titanic, suck it,) will be having a nice, healthy laugh at all the asshats predicting utter failure from Avatar.
You're not impressed? Fine. But if you've already written this film off as crap, you're a fool, plain and simple.
I won't pretend to be an industry expert, but some things you can kind of see from a mile away. A Michael Bay movie will be loud, ADHD-style crap with a good trailer, A Rob Schneider movie will be straight-to-video-level garbage, A Chris Nolan Batman movie will actually be worth the cost of your tickets and then some, and anything Pixar makes will be an enjoyable, well-told story. Oh, and James Cameron only makes movies that redefine what all blockbusters subsequently aim to be. It's a fact.
I can't help but be reminded of the time about 2 years ago when the talkbacks ran red with the blood of the Format War debate between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. It seemed like whatever side you took, the other guys were nothing but brand-loyalist idiots who couldn't see the facts in front of their eyes. It was easy enough for me to see it, though - Blu-Ray had more studios on board and that was it. I knew they would win it. I didn't care who made what - Sony or Microsoft - I could just tell, "If these guys only have, like 3 studios' support and those guys have everyone else's, I'm going with those guys." And I just sat back and watched all the HD-DVD disciples argue and scream and shout about how wrong us Blu-Ray people were, and making predictions like "Six months from now, BR movies will be nothing more than a footnote. They'll be gone and no one will even remember them." (My personal favorite dipshit argument was, "No one knows WTF a "Blu-Ray" is. Everyone knows what HD and DVD are. It's in the name. Blu-Ray can't POSSIBLY win the format war.")
Anyway, all I'm saying is... we'll see in a few months. And if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. If AVATAR hasn't made its money back by January 15th, I'll stand up here in the talkbacks and declare myself the Douchebag Asshat of AICN. My prediction, though, is that it will be a HUGE success, and even if it doesn't win Cameron another Best Picture Oscar, critics will be giving the film its due respect for being a thoroughly enjoyable, intelligent action/adventure movie. Surely, though, certain talkbackers on this thread will still sit around claiming it's God-awful crap that no one in their right mind could possibly enjoy. And you will hopefully enjoy being the proud kings of your own little islands. -
to be asian? isn't he supposed to have an arrow on his forehead or something?
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Worthington looks pretty real, you'd almost swear it was a real actor...
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Terminator is a blue alien in this new one?
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he is the single most articulate dude here that can put his arguments forward in a clear, logical and convincing manner. Also, hes damn good at bitch slapping down the idiots on these tlkbacks......
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I enjoyed that.
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to hate this due to their personal issues with Cameron, and the smallest things they will find to latch onto to "prove" their points. Arguing with them is a waste of time as they have already made up their minds, and they ignore the vast majority of positive to amazed reactions to the footage shown, while focusing on one still or imags from a computer game. Its actually quite funny and entertaining seeing people actively looking for things to hate "its too blue", "I have nt been shown everything so it must suck" etc......
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Aug 14, 2009 9:07:23 PM CDT
this guy has seen avatar test footage, nice simple review:
by ironic_name
http://tinyurl.com/ls7xnk
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to admit I was wrong if this film sucks and/or bombs. But you can bet your ass all the haters will never do the same. They will just change tact and find something, anything to "prove" their point....
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Where The Wild Things Are had some shots that looked amazing out of context.
So far nothing I've seen in the promotional materials for Avatar has impressed me. I think Cameron is building up hype to the point where the film won't live up to even the most restrained of expectations.
He should not have taken so much time off from directing either.
Even though I think the Phantom Menace comments are a slight bit unfair I think its troubling how many of my favorite directors (i.e. Olive Stone and Cameron) have lost the skill they once had.
But its also premature and overdone for even myself to criticize when I haven't seen anything from the film yet (i.e. trailers).
If it delivers I'll be the first to come on here and say, "James Cameron is KING OF THE WORLD.
But there are a lot of other films I'm more interested in seeing right now (i.e. Book Of Eli, Wild Things, Tron Legacy, Nolan's Inception)
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Aug 14, 2009 9:17:41 PM CDT
Tranny: "Fox and Cameron don't seem to want to promote "Avatar D
by llghtst0rmer
Um, genius... you know the other people on the Talkback that point out your foolishness... and we've ALL heard of Avatar day.
The "Avatar Day" presentation will be more than successful. You don't need to worry about it. Tickets will be enough of a challenge to acquire, and the theatres will be quite full. (I'd say "Sold Out," but the tix are free.) The internet and the "blogosphere" are the only outlets they're using to promote the event, and that's all they'll need. Those of us who want tickets will get them, and there are many of us. Empty seats will not be a problem. -
I salute you.
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I was removed. I guess I curse to much. Which ever. I'm still right.
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1. It's easy to have a spotless record when you don't actually make that many movies. 2. I'm sorry, but the Abyss was the most boring movie I've ever seen, and I've seen Meet Joe Black. 3. I'm going to get shit on for this, but Aliens had very weak dialogue. Decent action, but the script was lame. 4. He's had exactly two original movies, and one of those ripped off Harlan Ellison. 5. The guy has the biggest ego of any director I've ever heard of, and that's saying a lot.
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You can't separate it from the man himself, because he himself has been selling this as the turning point in cinema. Cripes, even Orson Welles didn't sell Citizen Kane this much.
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All he does is cut & paste the same thing in every talkback, and he only does it to get a rise out of you. Why waste your time with him?
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I don't have any agenda. I admit that I find the man obnoxious in interviews, but I admit that he's a great technical director. I just get sick of people talking about new movies as if there was 100 years of great movies before it. I mean, 10 years ago people talked about American Beauty as being the best movie of all time. Seriously.
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Jim Cameron's beard is so awesome it transcends the third dimension entirely.
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they just pull out of their asses. Worthington saying the story sucks, the footage bombing at Comic con, Cameron directing Pirahna 2, Cameron beating his wife...etc....all fantasy....
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Didn't hear about him beating his wife, but the dude has been known to be kind of a jerk.
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It doesn't hold up well at all.
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Speaking of which, heard District 9 is really overrated, big surprise.
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In glorious Quicktime, exclusively on Apple trailers at 7AM. Probably PDT.
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I've heard Cameron's really chilled out in the years since Titanic, and was a pretty nice guy (though not one to suffer fools) during Avatar. He claims that the ocean expeditions taught him to be a better leader and person.
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What an assfuck
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you see D9 yet?
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then why do i have a pic of you crying in the theater during TITANIC? yeah that was me.
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when this film comes out and they are proved wrong, they will quietly keep that to themselves...its so much easier to instantly hate on something you havent even seen..bravo chumps..bravo.
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what the fuck do yo care how he acts? the man is responsible for making kickass films and runs huge ass crews..you cant be wishy washy...see McG if you want a democracy on set...we know who was running that film.shit never wouldve happened on cams films.
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For the love of god shut the fuck up cynical geekfest. Who knows how this movie will turn out in its fully formed entity. I dont suck JC's dick but no one has any clue other than those that saw some of the footage at comicon and those that are immersed in their own self perpetated "eyeball fucking" hype, so who knows. Keep complaining, no one gives a shit. But shouldn't you keep your fingers crossed that it actually turns out good? Wouldn't it be so much better to spent the 12 bucks you will inevitably end up spending on something that ends up being good????? Rather than trying to drive a film into the ground that you ACTUALLY HAVE NO IDEA what its going to be? Isn't the prospect of it being "eyeball fucking" more exciting than it being retarded and forgettable? Again fuck JC, I dont give a shit. I like the good ones, whatever on the bad ones. Fuck your cynical little know it all bullshit judgement based on nothing. How many movies are forgettable, who gives a shit about them so fuck it shut your whiny bullshit up...if its bad, which it could be, another one bites the dust, if its awesome we can all revel in it, hopefully.
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THUNDER - THUNDER - THUNDERCATS - HOOOOOOO!
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Aug 14, 2009 11:05:07 PM CDT
I have yet to see anything even remotely "awesome" about this en
by ironhelix
hopefully that's because they are saving it all for opening day. So far though, I'm not even getting semi-erect.
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AVATAR will come and go the same way POCAHONTAS failed before it, and the same way every eco-movie fails. THE HAPPENING, etc. It's inevitable. People will go to this expecting balls-to-the-wall action, and they'll get a PG-13 message about protecting polar bears. Uh-huh. THUNDERCATS, HOOOO!
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... and how funny will it be? First off, I'm convinced this hype will kill the flick. I like JC but honestly, will he ever top Aliens/Terminator/True Lies, which are his three best films. T2 is good, don't even argue for Titanic, as it was the last of its kind (Gone With The Wind wannabees). I can't wait to see the inevitable South Park episode about Avatar. When does the new season start?
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It looks like a skinny elf in water.
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I agree. In the fingers alone, you have 14 different segments to animate. On top of that, there are small nuances and movements that happen in the hand. The hands are very expressive and very subtle at the same time. What I'm seeing is that the animators are working too hard to animate the hands to the point where they lose their "subtleness". The weight maps, or CGI skin basically, on the hands still haven't been coded by the programmers to the point where you get the realistic folds and flesh bends. Then after you master writing the code/plug-ins for the hands, you have the whole hand physics thing to deal with. Pay attention to all the cg hands (not using the Disney animation principles, or not going for the exaggerated style) in the industry today and you'll notice that they are kind of off. It's weird. Having said that, I'm starting to doubt this film, too. One thing that gives me hope is the way Jim portrays emotions in his films, and his genius editing skills. I'm banking on that.. but Jim is getting older and he's been out of the scene for awhile. He's making a film for a different generation now. We'll see. I'm hoping it turns out. But I'm resting more on Jim losing his touch just because it happens.
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fucking game-set-and matched that muthafucka.
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people still watch that turd-fest? And they look to it for satire still? Holy shit, the opinions of that show's writers are even less intelligent than your average AICN TBers.
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As far as him topping Aliens/Terminator/ and True Lies, yeah he most certainly did with Titanic. *You* may not think so, but the 11 Oscars it won, all-time high gross it made, technical wizardry and countless die-hard fans beg to differ. And those are the facts. Oh yeah, and that was his last movie wasn't it? So the question really is, not will Cameron ever top the 3 you listed (which he also did with T2, and and also The Abyss on a technical level), but will any director top what Cameron did? And I doubt Cameron really will be that torn up if Avatar doesn't make all it's money back, he's got more than enough dough and clout to make consecutive flops and still make movies til he dies. I'm sure he's not that worried, so why are you?
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A CG Sam Worthington.
Here's Jimmy before that pic was taken:
http://fumingpew.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/james-cameron-avatar-sam.jpg
The alien is cg.
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Not bad.
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Please elaborate.
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For I have foretold the truth.
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Sooooo ... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that those funky-assed early concept art drawings they kept posting on here and then vehemently denying were AVATAR Na'vi concept art were actually EXACTLY what the aliens looked like all along?!? Yikes.
Anyway, with the exception of TITANIC (and TITANIC wasn't made for you cats, mind you; in the immortal words of Jim Morrison: "The boys don't know but the little girls understand."), Cameron's pretty much knocked it out of the park every time. Even shit like THE ABYSS, which nobody seemed to "get" when it first came out has since been revered as a classic (particularly when he cut the full ending back in). If nothing else, it will answer the burning question you mooks have had in the backs of your minds since the early Eighties: what if the Gelflings had guns and killed people? -
I'm stoked for a damn science fiction flick, and this looks to deliver!
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A new dopey 3D movie that only emo teens and critics like.
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die you moron
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I have faith in Jim Cameron...but I
fear...
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...since Speed Racer was totally amazing and beautiful. Of course, this year's Speed Racer carries with it connotations of bad box office, but at least the film will be great.
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Aug 15, 2009 1:53:56 AM CDT
"crippled"??? how very non-politically correct of you
by zombieheathledger
The PC term is "disabled." But this pic looks really cool.
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If the "natives" were those hideous fanged foreskin creatures that sucked Andy Serkis' head off in KING KONG.
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All these various comments about Avatar being "overhyped" are pretty far off the mark. People who complain about things like this - one measly picture resulting in an entire post - seem to forget that they're on a movie site - in particular, a geek-orientated movie site. Every single person I know who doesn't visit sites like AICN had no idea this movie even existed, or that James Cameron was even working on a new film.The only hype surrounding this film has been aimed purely at geeks. The only places footage has been shown so far is in Amsterdam (tech convention with handy nearby coffee shops) and San Diego (Comic Con), both highly geek-orientated events with little in the way of "casual" attendees. There's a simple reason for this:WE'RE THE ONES WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO GET EXCITED ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING!!I get that people like to complain and bitch, especially on this site, but I just think there needs to come a time when people say "I'm a movie geek, this is a massive, geek-orientated event movie by James Cameron, I'm going to be there and be excited to see it." If you don't like spoilers, don't click on the story links on this and other sites. Ignore the hype if you want to go in fresh, or lap it up if you're the sort who has to know everything in advance.Unfortunately, while there are obviously a whole bunch of hypocrites who will slate the movie in anonymous talkback but still rush to see it on opening night, it seems as though there genuinely are a number of us who can't bring themselves to get excited about this. I think I know why.A previous post talked about "memories of 99". We all know what that means. I've got this odd feeling that the massive letdown Mr Lucas gave us has scarred the collective psyche of the geek community so badly that people are actually AFRAID to get excited about something. Amateur psychology 101 maybe, but I know for an absolute fact that, if this movie had come out in 1998, every last one of you would be booking a week off work to queue for your ticket.Guys, this isn't Lucas, ok? While now is not the time for a lengthy rant on how I feel about Mr George, it's safe to say that KOTCS confirmed for most of you what I had known for a while. Lucas is a shill who fluked his way (with way more help than the insecure fuck would ever admit) to two good ideas and milked them for every last cent so he could sit alone in his big empty house surrounded by his money. Cameron, on the other hand, is a genuine visionary who knows what the fans want - not least a compelling story to go with their action - and has always delivered it. Which one would you trust not to let you down?
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Just in case someone comes back with "Avatar HAS been hyped in the mainstream media you're wrong I'm right so there!", yes I am aware that the film has been covered by major news (I caught a feature about the game on BBC news the other day), but you need to put it into perspective.On major news it's a short piece buried somewhere near the back with little to grab the eye or generate interest. Here and on other similar sites it's headline news with thousands of people discussing it live online.
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because even when you say you hate Lucas you STILL shell out for the movies, books, games, 100th figure of Darth Vader with sword. Eat it bitches.
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Needs more Blur !
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really? LlGHTST0RMER you enormous pea-brained fuckhead...Titanic was a melodramatic giant horseshit.
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..i said 'COOL' when i see this i see bogus blue fairy aliens...every cocksucker defending it needs to rinse their eyes out and start again.
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One day, they'll make a star wars tv show, with a cgi luke and leia and han, and they will look photoreal. The script will be amazing, better than the original trilogy, and it'll last for 10 seasons. Normal people, and critics will love it. People will enjoy it, buy the toys, and go on with their lives. On the other hand, the few people on the aicn talkback won't like it at all. They will despise it with every fiber of their little hearts. They will damn the cgi, and call the aliens racist. They will say darth vader is a pussy, and that leia looks like a tranny. "Bring back Lucas!" and other such statements will litter these pages. The talkbackers will do this because they have no soul, and by then most of them will have comminted suicide due to depression anyway.
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so we can laugh at self important pompous fuckheads like you.
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underwhelming as all hell. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the film, but man this is not what I was thinking it would look like. As someone said above, they denied those early elf-like designs, but that's what we've got here. Are we sure this isn't a fake?I also am not thrilled with the HD sharpness that is evident on Worthington. It is that over-sharpened image that a lot of movies shot in high-def, but shot badly, not taking into account that the image can be softened to a more filmic feel with in-camera or post production filters. Seriously, I've gotten better looking (in filmic terms, not actual resolution) images out of my $3,000 HDV camera. Maybe Cameron is purposely going for a super sharp look here, but I just don't like that kind of cinematography.
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Aug 15, 2009 3:15:06 AM CDT
Time mag. compares "Dances with Mullet Muppets"...
by trannyformers_apologist
to George Lucas and Fletch sequel
http://tinyurl.com/nj4weh
"And I wish they'd given the script some more literary love. It has that functional, George Lucas feel to it. And you get a little impatient with Jake, the hero, who turns out to be this kind of angry jock who's all into breaking rules and smashing stuff."
"And there's some real cut'n'paste environmentalism. Heartless corporation rapes verdant landscape for fun and profit. Wasn't that the plot of the Fletch sequel?"300 million dollar FURRY PORN cartoon "Also let me tell you, those Na'vi don't overdo it on the clothing. We can all look forward to a new era of hyper-realistic stripy blue alien side-boob." -
You're right actually. And I definitely have faith in this movie. I mainly love having something to get worked up about as a geek...
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epic fail. Titanic ruined JC
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He totally trashed the noobs statements in a Cameron way.
That means: constructive and verbal brilliance.
I feel sorry for people that trash Cameron's vision and movies..
That must be lacking in the soul and enjoyements of LIFE.
How can one NOT appreciate Terminator/Terminator 2/Aliens/The Abbys/True Lies
That puzzles the mind...
Cameron is a true author who envisions his own unique worlds.
He writes and directs his own stories. He always sets new standards. Creates logical action sequences that follow straight lines, never loose track of weight and substance, interact threedimensional with surroundings and are perfectly captured and edited in excellent compositions instead of shacky banana shots.
He colours his shots like a painter (everybody was using Matrix colours when that movie came out, but Cameron had his own unique colour schemes a decade earlier. While the rest of the blockbuster filmmakers where still shooting in plain colours)
He invented entire genres:
Tech Noir = a combination of sci-fi/tech and film noir(for Terminator)
the Space Marine genre - long before Halo there was Aliens.
Cameron was the first to combine the classic war movie themes with the elements of sci-fi. (that is in movies)
The best thing he does is combine kick-ass action with compelling stories that suck you in.
He takes the fantastic and treats it like real.
Take a look at the reanimation sequence in The Abyss. Pure acting, pure drama, believable and intens.
That's as hardcore REAL as it gets.
He excells in realness (except for True Lies, which is his only over the top movie, but that was a comedy/action)
So yeah he is one of my all time favourite directors.
Ow he also created the Endoskeleton, the Alien Queen, the mandibles on Predator, the first elaborate CGI animation in a live action movie for the Abyss
(ok, young Sherlock Homes had the glass knight, but that wasn't as tricky as the water effect)
Ok I could go on about his movies, like the way they hold up so good against the test of time, but now I'm just rambling.
So my point was; good points TURDONTHERUN!
Cameron fucking rules!
Cant wait to see AVATAR!
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He is actually JAMES CAMERON !
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Seriously- wow, a picture of a guy in front of an alien in a tank. Blown away, I am.
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No, not yet enough to really impress me. Will wait for the movie to do that, not just stills.
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300 million dollars for a fish tank!
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Cameron quoted: "I'm the king of the world"
Bruce Campbell: "Hail to the King baby"
So yeah , Avatar is going impregnate our BRAINS
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Yeah, I know, Cameron is THE holly cow if it comes to visual eyeball-banging, but seriously: a mullet-wearing alien??? I really miss Stan Winston´s character designs right now. They really have to come up with something better than this next friday! And to all those complaining about negative feedback, let´s be real, if the name James Cameron wouldn´t be involved, everyone would just say "WTF?", watching the pic.
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fail? based on exactly what? A fucking screen shot. If this movie blows I will be the first one in the fuck you who gives a shit line. But I am constant amazed by you supposed film geeks who rail on stuff with ABSOLUTELY NO knowledge of what it is going to be. Sure Cameron is a buisnesman like the rest of them. Selling this movie like its going to be the second coming of christ (which it probably wont be) but all there is is a picture to go by. A who gives a shit poster of a fucking Na'vi. In no way does anyone have an idea (besides the com footage) what this movie is actually going to be. Personally I hope its good, but if its not it will be its own disaster that I wont lose any sleep over. But how does anyone really know is my question.....
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fail? based on exactly what? A fucking screen shot. If this movie blows I will be the first one in the fuck you who gives a shit line. But I am constant amazed by you supposed film geeks who rail on stuff with ABSOLUTELY NO knowledge of what it is going to be. Sure Cameron is a buisnesman like the rest of them. Selling this movie like its going to be the second coming of christ (which it probably wont be) but all there is is a picture to go by. A who gives a shit poster of a fucking Na'vi. In no way does anyone have an idea (besides the com footage) what this movie is actually going to be. Personally I hope its good, but if its not it will be its own disaster that I wont lose any sleep over. But how does anyone really know is my question.....
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Will it fuck our eyeballs?
Or:
Will it fuck our expectations?
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lost all its hype at comic-con
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someone wrote:
The lack of hype and positive buzz from 6500 Comic con attendees .
The early scriptment was terrible .
Reports of lackluster dialogue .
"Dances with Wolfs" in space story blatant ripoff of 4 or 5 movies.
Dark Crystal mullet Furries .
Outrageous "game changer,epic masterpiece, photoreal" hype .
Sam Worthington told IESB that the story wasn't anything spectacular"wasn't the be all end all."..
Cameron preaching to us:..Environmentalism ,exploitation of the Native Americans and probably slavery. (Na'vi are mostly played by African Americans.....wonder why?....) -
That post you quoted is already owned by TURDONTHERUN
Dont worry the movie won't be a letdown.
Even if you dont give a fuck about the story and characters (which for me, make Cameron films extra special) than there's plenty of KICKASS action sequences to not let ANYONE down.
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You are a fucking idiot, you and Tranny have got to be the same person. In one of your first quotes you respond to KingofMilwaukee saying:
The more you see of Avatar? We've seen two pics of it. I'm not exactly thrilled about Avatar, but I am not gonna write it off until I see footage.
That's a quote from you then further on down the TB you say:
Avatar is the new Coraline
A new dopey 3D movie that only emo teens and critics like.
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I think so.
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i think he might well be... but i cant tell!
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please don't mention crap like B*ttl*f**ld **rth on a James Cameron movie TB.
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oh, actually, you haven't.
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it will spray your eyeballs with shitdust
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Moron
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The guy has never steered me wrong yet, and for all of you who claim to hat Titanic, I call bullshit! BUT!!! Everything I've seen and heard about this one as well as the time it took for Cameron to pumpm a new film out really worries me that he's lingering oh so close into A.I. territory. This still does nothing to calm my fears. Please, anyone lucky enough to get into the Comic-Con footage screening, (and this includes you, Harry), please tell me I'm wrong.
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Let me put it this way: I don't like Cameron. I find his movies to be eye candy with pretenses to something more. That's my opinion, we'll have to disagree. And yes, I admit that whether he's a jerk personally has nothing to do with whether his movies are any good. But when he talks about pre and post-Avatar, he sounds like fricking John Gaeta saying how Matrix Reloaded was going to rewrite all the rules of film FX. Hell, even Tarantino admits that he's nothing without earlier movies. Just a little humility, that's all I want.
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I looks... okay. I don't know why it's supposed to be "supercool." If Herc had claimed it was from a new miniseries on Syfy, I would have shrugged.
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Not to say the movie will be as bad as battlefield earth but i am betting a flop.
This movie has been hyped as the best thing since space bread and all we've seen are a couple of lame blue bipeds. It's not even that they are lame becuase they are blue but the design of them is just so bland. Even the world of warcraft race the Draenei are better looking than that.
Alas as much as i like my science fiction films i don't think this will be as special as the fanboys think it is.
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see what shit looks like in Quicktime HD!
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I meant he'll never top Alien/Terminator/True Lies from a Storytelling perspective. Those films are all unique films that spawned countless rip offs and influenced Sci-Fi/Action/Action-Comedy films beyond what we all realize. Titanic, while successful, (I made no claims otherwise) was an okay piece of drama filled with classic cliches. I want filmmakers, especially the established ones, to push the technical boundaries of film-making (which JC is clearly doing with Avatar) but not at the cost of sacrificing good storytelling. JC has so far been very good at doing this, as evidenced by T2. But nothing from Avatar has seemed like the revolutionary kind of visual I was told to expect. I simply feel this kind of hype is ridiculous and bound to work against the film. Last but not least, while I'm not worried about JC, I just think it'd be a shame to see him go the way of Spielberg (who constantly lends his name to technically impressive shitshows).
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http://i25.tinypic.com/16av2pl.jpg
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Remember Lee Tamahori!
http://tinyurl.com/dxar5
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"more people in the world DON'T eat McDonalds than DO"... Yeah, and more people in the world didn't see Titanic than did. And while I admit it was beautifully shot, Titanic was definitely poorly WRITTEN. The reason it was such a big hit with teenage girls was because it was the Twilight of its era - poor little rich girl is "liberated" by bad boy from the wrong side of the tracks. Hell, people go on about its 11 Oscars, but what they forget is that it was the first Best Picture winner since Sound Of Music to not even be NOMINATED for Best Screenplay.
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why did you post this in the Armageddon talkback?
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http://tinyurl.com/lrwgnu
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just making everyone's day weird.
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and your dick gets consumed
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Aug 15, 2009 9:06:09 AM CDT
So many flames in this TB... gonna broil me some steaks!
by zombieheathledger
Haven't seen the geek community this divided on this site since the WATCHMEN's (shitty) ending.
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ill remember to say prayer for you today.
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JM wants to show off his 9-inch cock by wrapping his legs around our heads and thrusting his cock into our eyeballs.
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and you!!!!!
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dont you think!
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when i read these posts it makes me sick... what have any of you fucking losers done with your lives... what did u do of any magnitude... bunch of whiny bitch fucking nerd losers... jocks had it right in high school.. cameron spends years of his life doing the best he can do... which is pretty fucking good and you all turn on him... you all need a good ass kicking... wake the fuck up.
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mark my words
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dude, no I have nt seen D9, Unfortunatly it has nt come out here in Korea yet, have you seen it? What did you think?
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550 million in usa
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The only exception is that the Watchmen ending was something legitimate for people to argue about. We've seen two images from Avatar and people are already calling it a piece of shit and a flop.I, however, am going by James Cameron's track record for my level of excitement. The man has made four great sci-fi films, therefore I'm excited for Avatar.
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on facebook, invite your friends fuckbuddies and iligitimate children too
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can anyone tell
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Relax guys, theres little point getting yourself worked up over idiots like Diox and Lock. They are both attention seeking idiots that have displayed in numerous talkbacks how shitty their taste is. Lock thinks TF2 was awsome and better than Up, The matrix Children of men, Sunshine..etc..that tells you all you need to know to just ignore anything he says. And Diox is a complete mental case that pimps Stargate in every talkback. They probably both live in the same trailer park and have sleepovers where they repeatedly fingerbang each other.
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and im lovin it
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Aug 15, 2009 9:40:57 AM CDT
Sam Worthington wouldn't know an American accent if...
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
...it fucking raped him in the anal passage. A few days later, he'd look at the police line-up and pick out an Australian and English accent, whilst the American accent was let loose to rape other shit actors.
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here know so much and canapparantly predict the future based on a single still image. Seriously, these guys should just review all future movies for the rest of us as they need to only see a single image to determine the quality and the B.O. Does Hollywood know about you guys? You could be making serious bank predicting the future for them.....
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I'm just not feeling it. The pic is... okay. But anyone, anywhere with a goliath ego like Cameron just annoys the crap out of me. I'm sorry. I just don't see it.
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I don't see it beating Dark Knight, unless it's a really good story. Dark Knight succeeded because it got people outside the fanboy realm to see it, same way Titanic appealed to the Twilight crowd. Avatar can look like a photograph of heaven and it doesn't matter if the story sucks. (Which I'm not saying it does; I'm just taking a wait and see attitude).
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comes out, because if it is actually good, (and even worse for some here that so desperatly want it to fail)if it is a huge hit, its going to be hilarious to see the shit they are going to pull out of their asses. Dioxholster is already foaming at the mouth and ranting crap that can mostly only be described as fantasy...and the film has nt even come out yet....lol
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your wait and see attitude is the best, because at this point we really still know almost nothing about how any of this is going to play.
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want more do you want!
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wat more do you want!
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reminds me of the comments Arthur C. Clarke made about 2001, for exmple that the reason it didn't win the Oscar for makeup was because they thought they used real apes (in point of fact, there was no Oscar for makeup at the time, just a special one for Planet Of the APes, which did deserve it, IMHO). I'm not saying that 2001 weren't brilliant, but HAVE SOME GODDAMN HUMILITY.
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I admit, I have a bit of a beef with Cameron, because I fundamentally disagree with his philosophy of moviemaking (I think he places too much emphasis on technical aspects). The picture is fine, but really? If I didn't know it was from Avatar I would totally shrug.
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What's a south african guy doing in Korea?
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dude, think about how almost everything in Hollywood is compromised by the bullshit that goes on there. Cameron never compromises because he never backs down, which probably means that he has to act like an asshole some of the time. And when has talent and ego not gone hand in hand dude? I dont care because he is nt my buddy, im not going drinking with him etc...Thus unless he has done something really morally heinous like fucking his adopted child (Woody Allen) or fucking an underage girl (Polanski) then the only thing I care about is what hes able to get on screen. And that is why he has the clout and respect within the film industry that he does, because he does nt compromise (he gave up his salary on Titanic so that he would nt have to bow to studio demands, he has told studio execs to fuck off etc..) and the simple reality is that in an industry of egos like the film industry that means you have to be something of an asshole...
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English at a university, and to Samsung employees.
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s, provide a link that proves that. You can go to slashfilm.com, empireonline.com, io9.com, screenrant.com, the list goes on, all blown away by the footage. Furhtermore many that saw the footage have talked about in these talkbacks, as well as at marketsaw.com, and I have yet to see any negative comments......
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Well, he's got a nasty habit of marrying and then dumping his female co-workers, but I admit that's not as bad as Woody or Polanski. The main thing for me is that he relies too much on the spectacle and technical side and yet claims to be a "storyteller." I find a lot of his dialogue rather stilted (even Aliens, which I admit is a great action movie). As for egos? Eh, maybe you're right, but I think that gets played up a little too much. For every John Ford or Von Stroheim (the stereotypical tyrant in a beret and jodpurs) there's someone like Cronenburg, who despite the nastiness of his material is apparently a pussycat.
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And you say dude as much as Jeffrey Lebowski.
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an emphasis on the technical side is only a big problem if you then ignore everything else imho. But Cameron does not do that, wether you like his films or not, the guy has created memorable characters, and his scripts (have you ever read any?) are really damn good. Try reading his script for Spiderman, Strange Days, or even the old Avatar scriptment, and you will see that he does nt forget that the characters are the most important thing.
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1997 was a bad year for me at the Oscars. The movie I absolutely loved and represented the future for me, Boogie Nights, was shut out in favour of the movie with the most bells and whistles. Not that I activelly disliked Titanic, but I think the history of film is best when it's balanced between the epic and the personal.
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wood to fund a 250 mil+ sci-fi film? Sorry my friend, but I think it does nt pay to be too nice out there.
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and I found the dialogue hollow (yeah, sue me). As for Kubrick, I'll be honest - I know he's technically brilliant but much of his work leaves me cold. Like I said, you have to have a balance. What bugs me is that the brilliance of the Kubricks and Camerons of this world get the most noise, whereas the equal brilliance of someone like, I dunno, Todd Haynes or Albert Brooks (how's that for random examples?) gets ignored.
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Cronenburg (who was offered Return of the Jedi, btw) doesn't get 250 mil because, while he is a nice guy, his movies are F*CKED UP. A better example would be Spielberg. A perfectionist, yes. SIngleminded, yes. But the worst I've heard about him is that he griped because Fellini "stole" his director's nom for Jaws.
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for me, think about how biased Hollywood is to genre filmaking, there are countless genre film and performances in genre films that could and should have won Oscars, but never have. When Cameron won those Oscars, as far as im concerned that was him winning for his sci-fi filmography. just like when Jackson won for ROTK even though imho FOTR was the film he should have won it for imho. And why should nt directors that have shaped cinema ever win (and no matter what Cameron is and will be a very influential filmaker). I love P.Anderson films too dude, but waht has the guy done to contribute to film overall? So who is more deserving?
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fi action fans like me, the genre film and the filmakers that make them are generally ignored, so that imbalance goes both ways...
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Cronenburg (who was offered Return of the Jedi, btw) doesn't get 250 mil because, while he is a nice guy, his movies are F*CKED UP. A better example would be Spielberg. A perfectionist, yes. SIngleminded, yes. But the worst I've heard about him is that he griped because Fellini "stole" his director's nom for Jaws.
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ar wookie is because it isnt another remake/reboot/sequal/prequal/nostalgia blowjob. For the simple fact that Cameron is doing something this risky, and original useing new fx tech, and trippy concepts like these feline aliens (ive always said that Avatar will stand or fall based on wether people buy into the Na'vi) and huge cost of this film etc...For ptting his balls on the line like this (because if this does bomb his career and legacy will be damaged ala Lucas) he has my respect. Love him or hate him, there are too few doing what he is doing imho...
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for talking shit about the movie. that takes being ungrateful to a whole new level.
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he really do that? As far as I know he said no such thing about the story. Turdontherun already handled this quite well.
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Aug 15, 2009 10:29:00 AM CDT
"What has PT Anderson done to contribute to film overall?"
by wookie1972
First of all, a lot. There's the beautiful tracking shot that begins Boogie Nights. The "Sister Christian" scene. The all-out weirdness of the "Wise Up" scene in Magnolia. Daniel Day Lewis in There WIll Be Blood. My point is that these "contribute" to the history of film as much as photorealistic rendering of a sinking ship.
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I think is pretty clear in the pics they have the hair tied up.
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but the Oscars love epics. Personally, I cheer every time the low-budget movie conquers the big studio picture (Slumdog v. Benjamin Button). Look, we have a fundamental disagreement here, let's just leave it at that.
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Anderson I was just putting the question out there to make the point of how do we deceide whos more deserving? Thats all...
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by looking at the movies. It's pointless, as Anderson wasn't nominated for director or picture and Cameron wasn't nominated for screenplay. My point is that when I think of Titanic, I don't think of the gorgeous FX shots, I think of howlers like Kate Winslet having a Picasso onboard or Cameron making it very clear that only the bad guys thought Titanic was unsinkable.
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different tastes are what makes the world interesting. But I dont understand why you automatically support a low budget movie. Why does the buget matter? A film costs what it has to, Some films (especially genre films) simply cant be made cheaply. Avatar could not be made any other way based on the old scriptment. Its insanely ambitious, what has been described is only the tip of the iceberg...
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is hair tied up into a ponytail. The Ponytail is actually an extension of the Na'vi's nervous system that they use to link with and control the living creatures on Pandora, sort of like organic mech armour. However some on here are nt too bright, or they are too busy looking for petty things to hate for their own weird personal reasons....
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It doesn't really, I just find myself cheering for the little guy. As for genre films, well, there are at least two low-budget sci-fi movies (Moon and D9) released this summer that put the big boys to shame. And to use a previous example, the Matrix sequels were ambitious, shame about the finished product.
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jective regarding your experiance of Titanic, by the same token I can ask which film is more remembered by normal people all over the world? Which has scenes or lines of dialouge that have entered the popular culture/lexicon? Again, I love Boogie nights, but its either not well known or barely remembered by non-film geeks. And the reality is that the worth/legacy of films cant be deceided only by film geeks imho....
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cost more though did they? They cost what they needed realitve to what they were trying to accomplish. And boy did they put shit like T4 and TF2 to shame. Could nt agree with you more. But Avatar is trying to create a very rich, imaginative and detailed world. It really reads like a live action Mizyaki film, which is a damn good thing imho...
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Wookie? Myself, I think they are very flawed and I was dissapointed with them overall, but I think they are a somewhat underrated.
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to fall victim to some serious backlash....
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It's not longer in the top 250 of IMDB (and the top ten does include such geek faves as Pulp FIction and Good the Bad and the Ugly, but the continual high rating of the Godfathers and Shawshank can't be just because of film geeks). In general, epics don't age well once the novelty of the spectacle has gone. And I know this wasn't from Boogie Nights, but "I Drink Your Milkshake" was a pretty popular meme a few years back. In any case, don't you want it both ways? You relegate Boogie Nights to a "film geek" fave, and yet you talk about how nobody respects genre films. Not to be a dick about it, however, I appreciate your civility.
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can all agree on. At the end of the day, its all subjective isnt it? Some people like the big epic spectacle, some like small character drama/studies. I like them all to be honest. I love Clint Estwood films (million Doolar Baby, Gran Torino) as well as big sci-fi action. The only thing I want is a film to be good.
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Much of the money clearly went into production design and FX. And frankly, Jackson made LOTR for a fricking bargain price (less than $100 mil for each movie) The difference is that they kept studio bullshit to a minimum and didn't have to deal with serious egos in terms of actors.
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The first one (Reloaded) was pretty good, but the third was just plain awful. As somebody pointed out (spoiler for a 6-year-old movie) all this fighting and it ends in a tie?
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have different tastes, and disagree about a number of things, but it was interesting to discuss film with you. I have to go get some sleep now. But one last thing dude, Keep an open mind about Avatar (ive read the old scriptment), and if Cameron can pull off whats there we may get a pretty cool sci-fi action film with an alien world like we have never seen, and some really cool action set pieces....If not..the world will keep on spinning right?
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The thing is, I've heard too many people (not just here but on other sites) saying that this will make all other movies obsolete. Which only makes me sigh deeply.
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diminishing is arguable since most of the people who made it popular aren't geeks and spend time on IMDB. Those people have actual lives. I'd bet your last dollar if Titanic was released today it would still do big box office. And I don't mean as a first time release, I mean as a re-release.
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ements by overzealous fanboys annoys the shit out of me too, dont worry. But its important to remember that most of this is coming from geek sites and not the people involved with the film.
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ested there is a great recent interview with Cameron about Avatar at the LA times website, and io9 has some awsome old storyboards for scenes from Terminator 2 that could nt be filmed due to fx and budget limitations. Makes Mc G's crappy film look even worse when you see what could have been.....
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imdb....
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I've actually wondered why there hasn't been any limited anniversary showings of Titanic in theaters. I think I caught a blip a bit back about Cameron converting it to 3D, though. So hopefully we'll get to test that theory. Also, personally, even with all it's flaws, I still like Titanic. Even now, all these years later after have seen a ton of doc footage on the making of the film I still forgot that they're not actually on a dang ship during the first half of the movie. I certainly think the second half is more exciting, but to me the ship starts to look more and more set like after the iceberg hit.
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Everyday on a film set is a battle and most crew don't go nuts over the movie they're working on. A friend of mine worked as a DP on Avatar for a little while. I asked him what he thought and he said it was pretty cool, but to most people on the crew, it's just a job and they don't geek out. Only the creative decision makers get excited and share their enthusiasm because at the end of the day good movie or not - it's all about the bank.
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...image I've seen from Avatar thus far.
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The fact that it was a tie was INEVITABLE, its pretty easy to see. humans got to the point where they needed machines to live. The machines took over and they needed the humans to live.
Next step was either doom for both or a tie.
Titanic is a great film when you think about it. Firstly you trick people into going to watch a film when really you know what's going to hapen at the end.
Really its a girls film but guy's will watch it with their girl friends because a boat crashes woo hooo.
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must be 14 years old. a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing but being clueless is LOL. you're pre-prepubescent and you've only experienced "hype" for Transformers and Wolverine and now are a ripe 14 years old and "jaded." people doubting Cameron are exactly as the noobs who were doubting Jordan in 94... they'd basically started watching the NBA THAT YEAR and had no clue thinking Penny Hardaway was the bomb. Keep pimping Star Trek and doubting Avatar noobs
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I have seen nothing in the UK Press(other than some small notes in computer mags and Film Mags). Your 'average' UK filmgoer is not aware of this film.
To describe this photo as 'supercool' is either cheaping the use of 'supercool', or MASSIVELY over-egging the pudding. It's a still photo - nothing more. Unless of course the whole thing is CG, in which case it's quite good, but not 'game changing'.
I fail to see how this (or any) film is going to be 'game changing' in terms of SFX for years to come. The problem with CG is it can only aspire to become absolutely realistic, and once it reaches that stage it will become nothing special - because, after all, we all know we're watching a film. CG should be used to enhance physical effects to make them more impressive - it shouldn't be the be all and end all. -
I honestly don't think it's the geeks that prop up Shawshank (never a BO hit, but very well-regarded) or the Godfather (say anything bad about it and you'll be sleeping with the fishes, okay?) Further down the list are some very mainstream faves, like Casablanca, Raiders (probably the least geeky Spielberg or Lucas movie), It's A Wonderful Life, etc. The list is not perfect, but it's not just a film geek list.
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which you might guess from the 1972. And I'm not slagging the movie already, I'm just not bowled over by the above still. So cut the ad hominem shit, okay?
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Titanic was cool for guys and girls, coz it had that stupid romance that chicks like and it was combined with special effects that guys like
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I hope they cgi some hair on the sides on the final cut.
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you suck too
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can someone please provide a link to the article? i cannot find.
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Because that would make it a tiny bit more impressive.
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it was pretty good...i saw HP6 and then snuck into D9..i had an hour to kill in between so i saw the beginning of TF2...and to go into D9 after Bay's "epic"--its like night and day with something that is so busy and then walk into something so original...they are basically using the same technique to tell a story CGI-wise and the results are totally different...if you get a chance to see D9..DO IT!avatar will be coming soon.
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Guys seem to get downright angry when you admit liking Titanic, as if you whipped out your dick and started slapping them in the face with it. I don't care that it has a Picasso in it or that it's a romance. I still think it's a good movie. Not the best, but pretty good. The angsty romance works fine imo. That's what romance feels like for people Jack and Rose's age (and I think I was that exact age when I saw it). It's not like it was Attack of the Clones, with two lifeless cardboard cutouts spouting Goerge Lucas's dialogue at each other. Oh, and Billy Zane was an awesome bad guy. That is all.
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An injured soldier who uses an avatar (Draenai Shaman) to explore the World of Warcraft.
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Just checked my mails today to learn that I have won tickets to see the 15min preview of Avatar next Friday here in Dublin . Cant fucking wait .
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So many nihilists and misanthropes pretending to enjoy any movie ever made. Rips on stuff like Titanic and the pre-emptive PMSing over Avatar by the trolls here make me laugh. Harry do something revolutionary and apply some editorial standards to these TBs why don't you? It's time to thin the herd of the retarded buffalo...it's not like the internet isn't big enough for them to pee in another pool for the fun of it.
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You think The Abyss is the most boring film you've ever seen? What the fuck are you talking about?
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Good to see you back.
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that not a cool still It looks like an emotionless photo from Sci fi channel profile.
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Do you realize Harry Potter and the Movie Without Ralph Feinnes has made over $820,000,000.00 worldwide in less than a month?! Probably because of people like you who either a) can't legally buy a ticket for Transformers or D9 etc or b) are afraid to admit they want to see such garbage.
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It as the fantastic ressurection scene, but otherwise, it's drab, apart from the SFX submarine shots that is. The problem is simple ; Maria Elisabeth Mastrantonio is miscast, she is clearly thinking during all the movie that she is above Cameron and his material. Hint : Cameron did not fuck her.
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Probably his most accomplished movie -- who cares is a bunch of virgin - closet Gay boys think it sucks because of the romance and because they are uglier than DiCaprio thus jealous. At least, Leonardo get pussy while they don't.
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We all know the hype is coming to an end. Notice that after the ComicCon footage aired, there was a resounding "Well ... huh." That was the reaction from just about everyone. The geeks, the most easily-excited hype generators in the world, referred to it as "kinda ok." This is an epic disaster of a movie, poised to bankrupt a studio and ruin the career of anyone involved. Notice too that the studio is taking an unprecedented position and planning to GIVE THE MOVIE AWAY FOR FREE - well, part of it - and not even that has generated any interest in the major media. This is poised to fail bigger than any movie has ever failed in the history of cinema. ABOUT TO FAIL
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All depends on the rating. PG-13, it will make a killing, probably passing budget domestically. R, it wil absolutely fucking fail if it has any whif of bad press. People who buy PG-13 tickets are alot more "general audience" this includeds parents just dropping their kids off with money for it cause it's "a space movie". It's got toys anyway. R, on the other hand, means a lot more of a discriminate audience, adults who try to know what the fuck they are spending their money on first. If it's not "supposed to be really good" trust me, an R-rated Avatar will be a ground-shaking historical mega-flop.
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Yes, it was the most boring movie I've ever seen. Seriously, if it didn't have Cameron's name on it it would have been completely forgotten by now.
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truth
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Again, QUIT IT WITH THE GODDAMN AD HOMINEM ARGUMENTS. I loved GoodFellas, but I don't call people a fricking retard if they don't like it.
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Again, QUIT IT WITH THE GODDAMN AD HOMINEM ARGUMENTS. I loved GoodFellas, but I don't call people a fricking retard if they don't like it.
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I still want to see one, because I haven't! That was boring! Fucking Avatar hype machine rides again! Hi ho bullshit, away!!! I saw the full-scale Avatar mech at Mattel's booth at Comic-Con, it was pretty damned cool but I can't say it blew my socks off, it was a "very cool in person but could be a little underwhelming for a movie" sort of thing.
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The dialogue was crap. The romance wasn't for "people Jack and Rose's age," it was pitched at 13 year olds. It was fine to look at, but the script was lame. The first Best Picture winner in over 30 years not to be nominated for its screenplay. Say what you will about Cameron's talent for FX, but his dialogue is spotty at best.
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....a cross between an anorexic Snarf and a smurf. I love Cameron, but this is looking worse with every publicity still that gets released. Fanboys will claim otherwise but this is going to be a bigger bomb than Ishtar.
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then i strolled into D9...i see tnothing wrong with that.
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are leaving out the fact that if that avatar in the tank is all cgi, it's fuckin pretty damn impressive cgi, would'nt you at least agree to that?
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....there'd be less hate if this hadn't been touted as the 'greatest new development in movies'. As to the picture, cgi or not, the 'avatar' just looks crap. Hopefully the film will be better but it's marketing so far makes me not bother with it until it hits dvd - if even then.
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=58101
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I'll admit I don't like the ears, and "the greatest new development" in movies I always saw as from a technical, filmakers comment on the movie, nothing to do with viewing experience, and as for the actual avatar design looking crap its your valid opinion, and many will agree, but that cgi looks bloody good to me, and I do agree with the marketing, avatar day in some countries, seems to be a bit of a bust sadly.
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I'm not a hater, I just have no clue what I'm supposed to be looking at that's so amazing. The original King Kong is still amazing, not because it was so realistic but because it looks fricking cool, like something out of a dream. This looks... like a body in a tank. Not sure what I'm supposed to be excited about. And i wouldn't be so hard on Cameron if he showed a smidgen of an iota of humility.
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I understand a lot of the 'greatest develpoment' stuff was Cameron touting his new technology advances behind the screens, but the problem is is that putting those kind of statements out there kind of hamstrings you if you're not delivering something that's pretty special onscreen, people who are disappointed will hang you for it. I really love Cameron's work, but it has to be said nothing - not one still, poster or tidbit about story - has captured my interest more than any marketing he did for previous movies, and I think that's a good indicator that this film will bomb. Not simply due to my opinion, but the fact that I'm overwhelmingly not alone judging by the internet 'buzz' which apart from a few fanatics has been very 'meh' at best.....and with this little advertising so far, so close to release, apart from us internet dwellers who the fuck else knows about the film? Who cares? I simply can't see enough Joe Public going to see this along with the fans to make it a financial success. Whether or not beyond the financial considerations it's actually a good film or not, I can't say now obviously not having seen it - but the stuff we've been fed so far is giving me a bad taste. I'm not excited about it's release. I'm not interested by the plot. I don't care about the casting beyond the always great Weaver, and I couldn't care less he invented new tech to film it....all I want is a great new film from Jim Cameron, and so far I'm not feeling it. And I do stand by my comment on the Avatar picture. Impressive CGI or no, it looks daft. Worthington looks out of place. After seeing him so far being unimpressive in the terrible T4, I'm hoping he'll rise to 'competent' with this....as a film I'm far more anxious about, Clash of the Titans, kind of rises or falls with him unfortunately.
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Come with a fucking trailer already Cameron!! Even he knows this isn't gonna be great.
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I've not watched it all the way through, but i was highly disapointed by it because mighty joe young looks so much better in the FX department.
Also i don't think i can stand a 3 hour monkey movie.
As for the CGI you think thats good CGI in the still.
Go watch jurassic park again check out the T rex on the move and that was how many years ago ?
They have made something so bland look realistic ... big woop
Something as complicated as a T rex made from 70,000 poly's is made to look realistic is just short of amazing.
Yet claims are being made like 'greatest new development in movies' and i am thinking .... where ?
Belive the hype you'll be let down i am sure of it.
I said before the character race draenei look better than that, i mean they are more interesting looking not as boring and bland looking.
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True Kongs on tv now and it still looks great, except when a humans on screen with the cgi, like the stampede.
I have the scriptment if anyone wants it, and I liked what I read, which is why I'm looking forward to it no matter what pic gets released. All the edgar rice burroughs comparisons sound the most apt. This is not going to be a life changing movie for us, it may be for young boys, which I think is where the Star Wars comparisons come from, for people over 25 I think it will just be a good to great movie for most people, it's an action/adventure movie with lots of action/adventure, I just hope it's better than recent offerings from that genre like Crystal Skull, T4, T2, Die Hard 4. And Cameron, or any director for that fact show humility? Pha! -
I'd hold off until I saw some actual footage if I was you. And The Abyss is a terrific piece of filmmaking, and Ed Harris is incredible in it.
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Did you watch Animatrix? You can check out the two 'Second Renaissance' episodes for free at the official site. The ending will feel better once you understand the backstory...
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"The Abyss is a terrific piece of filmmaking, and Ed Harris is incredible in it."While the latter is undoubtedly true, the former is not. The Abyss was - one or two moments aside - a distinctly poor film with a ludicrous ending.
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cool dude, you seem to be keeping your expectations in check, which is what I think most people should do. As for the lack of buzz after the CC screening, I can't agree, I read just 2 reviews that said it was good, just reign in hopes, 1 from that Devin tit and one from Quint here I think, every other site seemed to heap praise, and again I agree with the marketing, nobody really knows about this movie. This will not bomb. No way. I will bet my right testee on it. If any of the images from that scriptment are in the trailers every 10 year old boy in the world is going to want to see this movie.
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Aug 15, 2009 3:43:18 PM CDT
Is this where they placed Celine Dion after "Titanic" came out?
by mrmysteryguest
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Respect. Definitive post.
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It will bomb, I hate to say it about a Cameron film but simply too few 'regular Joe' type filmgoers are aware of it. Fans alone cannot make a film with a 200-plus million budget successful - Titanic only pulled in the money it did because it appealed to people across the board, and was marketed to hell and back for a long time before opening. Internet buzzm like with Titanic, may change how a movie is viewed, good or bad, but unless that appeal is there and that awareness goes with it, there's not going to be a huge box-office take. Whether the film is good or bad, I truly think Cameron and whoever is dealing with the marketing of this movie have fucked up royally and really hurt it's chances - they're drip-feeding information at a snails pace, most of the reaction so far has been "huh" at best and too few people are even aware of that. Financially it's doomed, I'm pretty sure of that. I just hope it's actually a great film I can enjoy that gains more notoriety over time, but again, what's been released so far isn't making me really believe even that will be the case. If I'm wrong after it's released, I'll readily admit I was off-kilter with this, but anyone hoping it will be great I fear will be disappointed - and anyone thinking financially it will succeed needs to look at the subjective facts of how many people need to see it versus how many people currently know about it, let alone give a damn. As I've said, I love Cameron, but I think this 10 year hiatus has given him a few loopy ideas aboput the kinds of films that can be successful.
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"Titanic is a failure. It will never recoup". AICN talkback 1996 so go fuck yourself you moronic dissers. We know who you are. Last time, you lost. Every time, you lost. You are loosers. Cameron = winner. Go all kill yourself on january 2 when Avatar will be breaking all records, and you all look like ugly ducks.
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Cameron is a pimp and each film is one of his whores. And every one of them provides us all with something to be entertained by. And rather than sitting back to see what he's spent years creating at a cost of hundreds of millions, a bunch of kids with their dicks in their hands are judging the book by its cover. I have seen every Cameron flick opening day and not once has he failed to make me feel like I had just witnessed why movies are so incredible. Each movie is like a gift and if you want to open the package early and yell to everyone it sucks, what can I say, you're a fool. Passing judgement prematurely is a lame personality trait and only generates an opinion not to be held in regard. Cameron is the only guy out there who consistantly puts his nuts on the line, money be damned, to make the kind of movie that you will never forget. If I was him and read these talkbacks, I'd tell you all to go fuck yourself and not reveal shit until two weeks from opening day. Suck it up and wait. It'll be worth it.
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Aug 15, 2009 4:05:35 PM CDT
"No one wants to see a movie they already know the ending of"
by theplant
yeah, right. 1 billion 850 millions dollars later.
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So they said for : Terminator (from the director of Piranha 2 ! surely will suck), Aliens 'can't be better than the original !", Terminator 2 "spending more money than any film ever", True Lies "spending ever more money than blablabla", and Titanic "this will tank Fox like Heaven's Gate 2".
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...not revealing anything until two weeks from opening day would be shooting himself in the foot, which isn't far off what he's doing right now. Get this through your head - a lot of people wondering if this will deliver aren't haters, we're fans of Cameron. In the past, every single film since Terminator has wowed people prior to release with the material that has been released. The material released for this film so far has been, at best, poor - and that's being charitable so it's hardly a 'lame personality trait' to speculate on just how good it will actually be. This is 'Aint It Cool News' after all, speculation about movies is the whole point here. This just doesn't look very good, end of story. Cameron restricting marketing so close to release when so few regular people are even aware of the movie makes no sense financially, because Cameron fans alone won't make it a success. He needs the general public, as with Titanic, and here he simply does not have them. If you think otherwise right now, you're wrong, pure and simple. I hope it's a success, more than that I hope it's a great movie but it really isn't looking like either are going to be the case right now.
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admit it
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Well what I mean is... Marketsaw confirms that the shot there is not actually in the movie. They've taken one shot and composited Worthington's face from another shot onto it. The Avatar in the tank belongs to another actor.
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I owe you one bollock if this is a flop!Every one says though it the young girls who made Titanic such a hit? I can see this movie being for the young boys. Hopefully they are willing to spend the cash to pump up its box office, however the internet has changed alot of things since Titanic, and I do agree this hasn't been marketed too well I fear. The toys alone should help the revenue, my nephew already wants one of them Thrantor things, and come on you don't think that's going to look good onscreen? Hundreds of alien creatures battling with loads of them powersuits?
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..would go a long way to aleviating fears and creating more good word of mouth. My problems with seeing this film as a success aren't due to not wanting to like it, far from it - the biggest reason I think it will tank is due to not enough people knowing about it due to it's lack of marketed material available right now, and this wasn't the case with previous Cameron movies. What there is does not look that great. For this film to be a success with it's much larger than 200 mil budget, an awful lot of people need to go and see it, and right now not enough people know about it - and of those who do, not too many seem very wowed by what they've seen. I do hope it's a success, can't stress that enough. Just can't see it right now unless JC himself co-opts every TV signal in the world and whacks the trailer in front of enough people's eyeballs.
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and no one went. Hype, word of the mouth doesn't mean jack. I mean Wolverine made money, with a rough version of the movie on the web a month ahead of release. There ain't no rules.
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I'll have it served on a bed of wild rice, and cooked with plenty of garlic and ginger if you would be so kind. Thanks in advance.
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It's a publicity still
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Eyeball fucked, that's how impressed I am. Not.
This is so meh. Whats so supercol about it? That the guy in the front looks like a guys in front of a blue screen? He kinda sticks out. I guess that's intended, that's big Jimmy giving some oh so immersive depth to the image. -
well...actually the movie was boring and was so sappy only teenaged girls and 40something divorcees saw it more than once.Which is why I liked it...I saw it with a 48yr old Divorcee I met at a coffee house the day before...she was a Court Administrator, worked out, did Yoga and was in incredible shape, I was 30 and horny; she invited me to Titanic.We went to the matinee..I was bored..she cried, took me to her place, made me dinner, and gave me all three of her pleasure holes till 2am. saw her at least once a week for 3 years after that..no strings..just weepy movies and good dirty sex.Thank you James Cameron.
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Great name by the way :D
Does anyone have any more deatail of this new filming technology they are ment to be using or is it all under wraps still ?
I was just thinking about the disney 3D and other technology they put out. Most of the time i see them more as gimmicks more than anything.
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these people dont like the abyss...they're idiots.move along..
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"this shot is a composite. It doesn't exist in the movie itself. And he confirms that this is indeed Norm Spellman's (David Joel Moore's) avatar in the tank." from Marketsaw
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Sam visits the ipod store!
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It's this site that's hyping the still as "SUPERCOOL." I thought it was... whatever.
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I choose it for that purpose, those who know it, know it, plus Roland was taken I think! lol
When I found out Cameron was making this after all them years calling it Project 880 I found this video a few years ago http://tinyurl.com/o5sm3h which was a good look at the cameras they made for avatar, I think these augmented reality vids http://tinyurl.com/ryk9mk are kind of close to what he Cameron used too. As for upcoming movies using the tech I think the Tintin movies, are the only ones confirmed, I read rumours of Ridley Scott using it for The Forever War I think? And Peter Jacksons bound to pounce on it. -
I saw the Animatrix when it came out, and while it does add to the backstory, I still thought that the third movie sucked big time. It wasn't even as visually interesting as the first two. I actually defended the second one, however, ponderous Architect scene and all.
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the Haldeman novel or the non-fiction one about Iraq? Either project would fit Scott, although I doubt they'd need much cgi for the Iraq one. p.s. Someone should make Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Now, that, done right, would mess people up.
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was that I heard John Gaeta talking his
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was that John Gaeta went on about how many years ahead the FX would be of anyone else, and they didn't even win the fricking OScar. He acted like ILM never existed, and it was incrediboly arrogant. Cameron's not quite as bad, but he can get there.
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wow, that would be an awesome. Perky Pat's everywhere right?. I don't remember much from the book but I remember it being one of Dick's strangest.
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too soon is a bad thing. The studio marketing campaign is not going to show their cards to early, especially to a bunch of people with impossible expectations. So far the reactions I've heard have been favorable to amazing. Yet release a few stills with no context and panic and doubt sets in. Have a little patience. When the marketing dollars can be spent where they'll be most effective, they'll start delivering the goods. Then all the haters will climb on the bandwagon chanting they always knew it was gonna be a big hit! Just remember the average water cooler joe, out of sheer ignorance, will call Avatar a failure if it does less box office than Titanic. And all those girls that went to Titanic think space movies are stupid.
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Those words alone are going to stop the world spinning. How hard do you think it is going to be to put asses in a theater? With that credit, his next movie doesn't need a cool poster, it doesn't even need a fucking title.
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I hope your right dude. I remember I got stupidly caught up in the Cloverfield marketing because I love a good monster movie, no one in my work knew a thing about it and thought I was a dick checking sites in work each day for updates, a week or 2 before it was released most were intrigued by the tv spots but ALL ended up going to see it. I know Cloverfield is totally different than Avatar, in budget and even marketing, but sometimes the sneak approach works to, it recouped cloverfields small budget which was the whole point of the viral, I just can't see this being a flop when things like Transformers 2 is breaking the bank. Plus the "from the maker of The Titanic" is bound to raise those ears
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They didn't have hair in the treatment...... WTF? What The Fuck?! James, you are pissing me off like a cock block right now! This ain't cool.
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"..he touches the end of his hair to the end of the antenna, which looks
like a feather. The "hair" comes alive, rapidly interweaving with the feather-like tendrils..forming what Josh realizes is a neural
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Yes that mullet was a shocker. I think that's what really did it more than anything. I expected... blue dread locked skin hanging or something like that.
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You're right.
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cool
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..with bioluminescence lights on the tips or something, I think the hairs a good idea though it helps add to each avatars character and show off the cgi no doubt.
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Who says the marketing experts aren't shrewd?
FROM DHD re Disctrict 9
"Then again, producer Peter Jackson's name means so much to aged 18-49 moviegoers. Comic-Con geeks and movie critic geezers loved it. It was the #1 most tweeted topic Friday night. And Marc Weinstock's viral marketing campaign for a year bore no Sony/Tri-Star logo on purpose so it wouldn't have a big studio's PR machine feel to it. (As if the audience had organically discovered the pic themselves.) I'm sure even a lot more thought is going into how Avatar will be unveilled. -
....a 'composite' then does that mean that Jake's head is actually there to hide that avatar's blushes as he's NAKED in that actual shot?....
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Someone upthread called it Bland. That's crazy. I re-watch it every few years and am always struck by how fucking awesome it is. I'm dying for a blu-ray of The Abyss.. I wanna see those sets in HD.
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I like the Theatrical cut better than the "Oooh fake waves" edition.
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Teen girls did. Girls who are now in their 20s and could care less about giant blue space people. And the current teen girls only care about vampires.
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And why does this movie look so very shit?
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hey man thanks for the backup... BTW im south african... a bit of a mutt... I saw District 9 today and if ever a sci fi should win best film this is it... im a hardcore lover of the great classics like alien, aliens, hated the rest of the franchise, 2001, etc. etc. but D9 is just phenomenal... its so measutred, so prfound, so tense, cinematically seamless... im going back tomorrow. it derves the oscar... and best of all not a fucking star in it... pure story.. god can blokamp move that camera... so organic... the aliens steal the film... the father sun relationship is so endearing. man cant stop thinking about it.
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a little flawed in some story ways... but technically if you understand the underwater logisitics... like the submersibles, diving , the rig all astounding... i grew up at AUTEC surrounded by classified navy sub, weapon systems, diving etc. and i know from experience cameron did something more technically exquisite than anything he did on titanic... i loved it but had a few cheesy issues... it kept of stay edgier but then again compare it to some of the sheer soppy shit in that genre and it stands out.
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Less excited, but still looking forward.
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But once it gets to that half hour scene of Bud diving, it just goes dull.
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Christopher McQuarrie has signed on to write the script for the "Wolverine" sequel personally i find that MORE interesting than anything about Avatar
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Just...throwing that out there...
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Visually, apart from the subs fights, it's the less interesting of all Cameron movies. Look at the ugly way Lindsey dresses for chrissakes ! The only badasses are the marines, and some of June Crew. Great fight between June and Coffey, thought
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there's a whole page dedicated to this news you say don't exists here. FAIL.
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they still can't make skin that doesn't look like plastic? Seriously?
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To all you idiots who condemn this movie based on a single still image, go home and rub your Episode I Anakin doll on your crotches because that is the closest you will ever get to sex.
"Waaa it looks like Terminator 3, waaaaa it looks like Lord of the Rings meets T3, waaaaa waaa" SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BABIES.
Fact is, no one knows if this will be good or not-- but since it's Cameron and a good potential story, you can bet he will pour his heart into the movie. Few directors do that, and he does.
Watch for (my prediction): 1) strobe lights, 2) klaxons, 3) rotating orange alert lights, 4) at least one very strong female character, 5) mocking or showing that the government or mainstream military is either inept or stupid, 6) destruction of official military or police vehicles.
And since it is Cameron, and he truly cares about everything that does into his films, you can be that this will be a must-see in theaters at least once; that is my prediction.
**** spoiler stuff follows this ****
And by the way, District 9 was very good, but not the best picture of the year, decade, etc.. A similar tale was told before, such as with Blood Diamond, where the star undergoes a moral transformation and ultimately sacrifices his life to protect the "minority". And there are plot holes-- like how did an alien and a gimpy sick human get all the way in front of MNU headquarters without being noticed???!!! And this is right in JBerg. Come on !!!! Did they beam in? Totally ridiculous. They drove out, right, but the scene just picks up with them blowing a hold in the entrance. And the module that is detachable from the immense ship, that literally can fall out if 0.9 g pulls it is the bridge of this massive ship? And the only way to fly the thing is with that? With all their technology they could not remotely link with their ship's computer? And in 6 seconds, the SA government or any other government would drop a JDAM on that Nigerian Warlord killing him, his followers, and everyone within 100 meters and that would have been that. Oh and where did all these alien weapons come from? If they were all sick and dying and taken off the ship to save their lives and are basically naked until they started wearing pink bras, didn't anyone on those SA helicopters notice those BFGs the aliens were carrying down to Earth. Not to mention a MechWarrier Beast !!!! And that is just off the top of my head. -
i hope your movie fails
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Yes, because then studios will just keep on churning out shit sequels, crappy comic book movies and trash remakes.
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Like you just did?
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he knows his stuff is shit which is why he showed us nothin to this point. AVATAR is not art, and its not a spectacle, so what is it? just some poor unoriginal sci fi story that is heavily reliant on the 3D craze.
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after wasting all his Titanic bonuses on hookers and boat rides, the guy is in need of cash and what better why for him to do that than make a stupid movie
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someones has to know about planet of apes by james cameron. What is the story about?
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its too early but theres nothing to do. anyone going to church today?
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Completely fucking disgusting all those years ago, completely fucking disgusting now. Completely sinks the scene (see what I did there? "sinks" the scene? in TITANIC? I am a fucking genius, lol.)
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Whats your problem?
ONE STILL, a handful of Artwork and Gamescreens and YOU think a whole 180 minute movie is crap.
But thats whats Kevin Smith said..
"The dark side of the internet."
http://vodpod.com/watch/1460840-kevin-smith-part-4-the-dark-side-of-the-internet
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Why are you here?
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it will fail miserably in the boxoffice.
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It's not a shot from the movie. And the only thing that has failed miserably is your post.
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that its pretty obvious that the movie is going to win at least 5 razzies.
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casually dismiss previous entries in Cameron's body of work expect to be taken seriously. You are either too young to have known their impact on arrival or too willfully ignorant to acknowledge them. Why don't you just try to convince us the world is flat or something instead.
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It's just CGI aliens. We've seen them before. I'm not doubting the movie, but it's not going to be something that talkbackers will actually like and not overanalyze to death.
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hating someone who has achieved something in his life, makes them feel better from the miserable,unhappy,meaningless life they live.and aicns uncontrolled talbacks is one of the best places to freely express that anger,especially if u r a movie-lover.
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What a smug fucking idea! I am sure I will see the trailer online Thurday and will see the movie when it comes out. But making an Event out of an extended trailer for a movie that has been poorly marketed thus far is just dumb. I hope this is good and being a Cameron film, it most likely will be decent. However, people getting excited about AVATAR DAY is just gay!
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AVATAR. Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.nothing else matters
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So, many years in the future, humans will be traveling to distant worlds, pillaging worlds in mecha-suits and creating living alien bodies in test-tubes that can be controlled like puppets...but we still haven't figured out a way to heal a spinal cord injury?
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....HALF as detailed as that seen in THIS shot, then things are going to be amazing. Click on this 'eye' shot to see it properly. Strangely it's far superior to what's ended up on the poster versions.... -http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/get-your-free-avatar-day-tickets-online/
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That alien has ears like those Rice-Krispies elves. Are you kidding me?
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i hope cameron somehow explains that in the movie.in our reality,we already have made some significant steps towards the cure of such disabilities,and in the movie they are still using wheelchairs? wtf?
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http://tinyurl.com/meyaqq
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its funny how the chinese trailer makes it seem sorta cool but the the english one shows just how cheesy and terrible it'll actually be. but thats pretty decent CGI for such a small budget. it be worth checking out on tv but no way is that worth paying for. but those sisters are quite tasty.
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...he lets someone else write the story.
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... a Dark Crystal convention.
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Right! Because Aliens, The Abyss and T2 had really shoddy stories! I wasn't gripped by them at all!
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That pretty much sums up my feelings towards this film. I honestly don't see where all the interest for this comes from.
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...but definitely the dialogue. T2 and Titanic had some major groaners, not to mention his Best Director acceptance speech.
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What can I say? Some people walk outside of their houses, see the sun in the sky and say, "What the fuck is that? Just a big, stupid ball of fire. Big fucking deal."
I simply don't know what to say to someone who claims to like movies but doesn't think James Cameron is anything special. It's like they don't speak English, and I really have no idea what I can possibly say to them. But we're free to have our own opinion, even if it's wrong. -
Maybe because all the scientists good enough to heal spinal cord injuries will be too busy getting rich by figuring how to travel to distant worlds, pillage worlds in mecha-suits and create living alien bodies in test-tubes that can be controlled like puppets.
I know, there's money in healing spinal cord injuries, too, but I'm just speculating.
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..is his main choice in volunteering for the Avatar programme, so he can walk again, I think it's because he's a war vet or maybe something else but I'm sure the wheelchair will be explained. "One of the Consortium agents leans close to him. He says
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My first reaction and response to this image was that it was underwhelming. I feel that I need to clarify something though. I'm definitely not hating on the movie, especially since I haven't seen it yet.I can't speak for others here with negative opinions on this still image, but I would wager that many, myself included, don't actually want this film to fail or think that it will fail because we don't like this one image. Many of us that saw this image and were unimpressed probably want this film to be amazing. I know I do. Look at my freaking talkback name. Just because we want it to amazing though, doesn't guarantee that it will be, unless we delude ourselves into thinking so for the sake of not wanting to face it being a failure (that is if it isn't good, it could very well be great -- for example: The Phantom Menace denials).You're right though, one frame grab can't be the determining factor of whether a movie is good or whether it sucks. But this slow trickle of Avatar information is not doing the film any good in my opinion. It only to adds to the already bloated hype that has built up over the past 3 years. And if I were in charge of marketing Avatar, I'd certainly release a much more interesting still from the film than this one. Also, it has been stated that this is a doctored image that isn't even in the film. The avatar behind Worthington is not his avatar in the film. I can say with a sigh of relief that upon hearing this I was not as underwhelmed as I was initially. I feel that we were lead down the wrong path by a clueless marketing dept. Where is Don Draper when you need him?As to why they would originally release the first teaser poster with Worthington's more lion-like and generally powerful looking avater half face image, then show us an image of him in front of someone else's less powerful and heroic looking avatar, which doesn't look like Worthington's character at all, boggles my mind. I think because this frame grab is so out of context, and with the two half face avatar one sheets we've seen so far, the marketing is starting to set up conflicting expectations. Hopefully, and I don't doubt, that we'll finally get a proper idea of what this film can offer once we see a proper trailer.I will say though, that the two teaser posters, the first one of Worthington’s avatar, and the second feminine looking one are more along what I expected the aliens of Pandora to look like. Also, the AMP mech suits are kick ass looking. I can’t wait to see those things in action. I’ll definitely be there on opening day with my usual big ass soda and Junior Mints in hand.
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How are things?
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You're right, we shouldn't base our opinion on one image. Of course, that goes both ways. I've said nothing about the finished movie, I just thought that nothing in this image is "SUPERCOOL."
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Appeals to authority are meaningless, so I could care less what WIlliam Goldman says. My point about mentioning the lack of the screenplay nomination was that people were pointing to all the fricking Oscars Titanic won as 'proof' of its wonderfulness. And it wasn't just the dialogue, the entire characterization was lame. BIlly Zane needed a top hat and moustache to twirl and he would be the stereotypical melodramatic villain. Rose goes on about Freud with apparently no indication that she might know that, gee, Freud wasn't exactly a feminist. The Picassp. Jack's friend with his look-at-me-Im-a-Mario accent. All of these things took away from the movie. The guy needs at least a writing partner, oh and some fricking humility.
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I don't "casually dismiss" anything about Cameron. SUre, he's a pioneer in CGI. However, there's more to movies than CGI, and I find many of the other aspects of Cameron's contribution to film at best average.
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Cool post. The image is not a frame from the film though, it's a composite of two different images. It's another character's avatar, not Sam Worthington's.
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For the preview thing. Bet there's a sell out.
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i mean are we 100% sure that this pic is part of the promotion campaign or just someone who is involved in the movie got hold of this image and releashed it to the public?
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Too bad
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Sorry, but the whole story behind AVATAR just sounds lame. Too much fantasy, not enough sci-fi. I have a feeling this thing is going to bomb royally. Plus, the Christmas season is a so-so time for movie earnings anyway. Jim Carey will stomp it at the box office . How sad will that be? Finally, 3-D pretty much sucks for most movies, especially the kind that looks like a window looking outward rather than the 3-D jumping off the screen. So, again, yawn.
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I am experiencing cognitive dissonance here. I am feeling like this is going to be a major letdown, and yet simultaneously I feel like this will beat expectations.
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*you know I'm right*
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the Avatar Day footage is a 17 minutes long prequel story about how Pandora was discovered. Imagine something akin to the intro to FOTR. Those scenes won't be in the movie, but will be included in the blu-ray.
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Aug 16, 2009 9:59:08 PM CDT
Golly I hope the story is good, b/c the visuals aren't doing shi
by doctorzoidberg
I really want to love this movie, and hope it is great, but.....god how gay and sad is this little photo that was 'leaked' out
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and/or cynical in these talkbacks. Either that or just full of shit. All these "yawn" responses are really just funny. I really have no idea how any so-called geek/genre fan can be uninterested/unexcited by the last collaboration between Cameron and Stan Winston (fitting that this should be his swansong imho). So far most of the designs we have seen have been pretty damn cool imho (would love to know what would be better) and have been done by some of the best there is. Geez, Cameron gave us the T800 endoskeleton, the wueen alien, T1000, the predator etc..Stans work does nt need to be repeated, and thats not even mentioningh guys like Wayne Barlow, Jordu Schell etc...Also does anyone realise that this movie has also been worked on by Weta, Digital Domain, Stan Winston Studios, and ILM? How some here are so dismissive is beyond me.....
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Aug 16, 2009 10:06:52 PM CDT
THE MOVIE IS GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE THERE'S A YELLOW COLOR
by nostairway
No, you're thinking of the the Green Lantern movie.
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I can tell you that the story is cool, but more importantly there is quite good thematic content and lots of cool trippy sci-fi ideas in it, the kind of stuff that has only been seen in Anime, and never done live action. Also, im not sure how that picture is sad, as others have pointed out what everyone is overlooking is how photreal that looks (and its cgi). If thats what the movie fx look like then it would appear that they may have just pulled this off....
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Yeah, I hear ya, it just gets comical with the petty, ridiculous things some look for to latch onto to justify their negatvity. They are quite creative though with the shit they pull out of their asses.
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Looks a bit like Ewen McGregor in this
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That may all be true, but its hard to take all that from the still.
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right, but thats exactly my point regarding some of the ridiculous comments here by people that clearly know pretty much fuckall about this film, but yet have all these "expert" opinions about its potential for success. Ive read the old scriptment so I know what im looking at in that picture.
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the script being bad, first off dont worry, The script was written by both Cameron and Laeta Kalogordis (she wrote Shutter Island for Scorsese, and the Battle Angel Alita script for Cameron). And secondly I doubt you have ever actually read one of Cameron's scripts, because you sure as hell dont know what you are talking about. His scripts are considered to be good because their structure is perfect (go read a random sample of scripts and then compare the structure...). And he is able to maintain a consistent internal logic, while easily explaining sometimes complex ideas/concepts.
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nting on a film that clearly does nt interest you (nothing wrong with that, we all have our own personal tastes), or that you have already deceided sucks? Are your lives that empty, are you that bored? Maybe im just weird, but if a film does nt interest me (the harry potter films) then I surely dont waste my free time telling everyone there how much a movie they are interested in will suck. But I guess thats just me.....
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Is pictures of Worthington in nothing but his undies. Put THAT on the screen.
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...to see a trailer!!
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bicycle wheels, but I think that may have qualified as an overshare.....
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Me and my sexy tiger-man friends had a Rainforest Preservation Festival in Second Life and it was just like this movie.
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Don't let the morons get to you. They're probably on amazon right now pre-ordering their Transformers 2 DVDs.
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y dont get to me, I truly find them funny. There is so little logic or substance to their posts most of the time. Dont know why they dont just admit they have already decieded to hate the movie because of their personal issues with Cameron or their own jaded cynicism, instead of trying to pass off themselves off as being objective so that someone may take their opinion more seriously. Oh, well whatever makes them happy (because it doesnt appear to be geeky things like this...)
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are very highly regarded by some of the best screenwriters around precisely because of his perfect structure. And as you say fil is a visual medium.
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Perhaps, all for the better, if I dodget the HYPE and judge it on it's own merits.
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best to avoid both the overzealous fanboys hyping the shit out of it and the haters looking to find any way to trash it....
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it was supposed to be 12pm PST, but i got an email with the link, filled it out, and already received my confirmation. HURRY
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...GAME OVER!!!
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... is getting annoying.
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"I'm not appealing to any authority, that is just in your mind. I am suggesting though, considering Goldman's reputation of one of the best screen writers of his time, that he may have some insight that you have missed."
Um, actually, that's exactly what an appeal to
authority is.
" He does, actually, agree with you about Zane's character but dismisses it as a minor problem" The main antagonist being a caricature is a minor problem? Sure thing.
"And by the way, if you couldn't care less what an actual successful screenwriter and novelist has to say on story why on earth should anyone give a good goddamn what you have to say on the subject? Just asking."
Maybe you shouldn't give a damn. Nonetheless, it's my opinion, and I feel I need to respond to people who are saying "all people who are even skeptical are just HATURZZZ!!" -
the official site hasnt been updated with the screening locations yet.where did u get the tickets?
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FIlm may be a visual medium, but bad dialogue can really stand out in a movie. Apone's speech at the beginning of Aliens, for example, is nothing but a collection of tough guy cliches.
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I realized my pass link came from an email from AMC theatres. hopefully it works for you and isnt user-specific. (be sure to remove any spaces talkback inserts!)http://view.mail.amcentertainment.com/?j=fe921d767462047d72&m=fef51178716702&ls=fdf610747763047a72157676&jb=ffcf14&WT.mc_id=Avatar_email_August_2009_http%3a%2f%2fview.mail.amcentertainment.com%2f%3fj%3dfe921d767462047d72%26m%3d%25%25ex2%3bMemberID%25%25%26ls%3d%25%25ex2%3blistsubid%25%25%26jb%3d%25%25ex2%3b_JobSubscriberBatchID%25%25
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"structure" is one of those screenwriter buzzwords that I can't stand, and I blame Syd Field and RObert McKee. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm being a hardass, I just don't get all the abject love for the man.
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"structure" is one of those screenwriter buzzwords that I can't stand, and I blame Syd Field and RObert McKee. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm being a hardass, I just don't get all the abject love for the man.
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sorry, lets try that again:http://tinyurl.com/qcoqcv
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From the LA Times: "He also says that the motion-capture software is so close to the actors' real performances, he wants to call it "emotion capture" instead of "motion capture." "
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about PS2s emotion engine,which was supposed to give to the game characters real emotions,thus the name.but even that cant beat his quote about PS3 that it will create a 4D experience for the gamers.god bless him ;)
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guess they caught their mistake. oh well, i got mine! WOO HOO!
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Apones dialogue is exactly what u would expect from a hardcore,combat trained,tough officer who commands a group of soldiers trained for warfare.what did u expect to say to them while preparing for combat,quotes from Shakespeare? maybe in an arthouse movie,but not in an alien movie.
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"Every meal a banquet, every formation a parade, goddamn I love the corps!" That's not "hardcore combat trained" dialogue, that's a screenwriter attempting to sound tough. There are plenty of other examples.
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How about a clip? Anything? Um. Jury is still WAY out on this whole "game changer" rhetoric. Not saying it won't be good, but I'm still not seeing anything that tells me greatness is about to occur or that eyeballs will be raped. Great premise, sure, but the more we don't actually see, the more I'm thinking The Phantom Menace. All that sounded great on paper too...
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Technology always comes with a price.
Maybe in the future when spinal cord injuries can be healed it is only a privilige for the rich.
Either way, we'll find out about the wheelchair and the blue aliens in december ! :D -
Trailer online Thursday. Then you can tell us all how much it sucks and how Terminator 3 is better.
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Look, I've dealt with a lot of douchebags on AICN talkbacks trying to piss all over everything James Cameron has ever done or ever will do, just to get a rise out of guys like me, but I think I get Wookie's sentiments. He looks for other things in movies than we do.
I can't fault him for disliking JC's dialogue or characterization any more than someone can fault me for having zero interest at all in anything Paul Anderson ever makes... and I mean the "good" Paul Anderson. PT Anderson. I mean, you can tell me Boogie Nights was classic cinema of the 90's, but I still say it was Pulp Fiction set in the porn industry. I thought it was lame. And I haven't seen anything by the guy ever since. But I saw Titanic 7 times in the theatres. Cameron serves my preferred flavor of cinema. Wookie has different tastes. At least he's not pulling this stupid "All his movies suck and you're just gay for Wobodaddy" bullshit.
No sense in not having a good discussion with him, but I can tell he's too set in his tastes to see it the way we do, and too levelheaded not to appreciate his opinion.
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I think "on paper" is where Phantom Menace failed worst. The movie could have been great if it had been well-written. Some better plotting, a less convoluted main thrust of the story ("No, I will not sign your treaty that will authorize your trade route blockade!" Are you fucking kidding me?) some dialogue that doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard in any language on earth, and some moderately developed characters would have at least been a good starting point for Lucas to go out and direct it horribly. Then at least we could have said it was a good movie made badly, you know?
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Than someone who as been in the corps. Wookie is superior to the movie. In his mommy'd basement, he is king.
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97% of the trailer should be money shots to eye rape wookie. That's why Bay is king. There ain't no trailer yet from Cameron, so FAIL.
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No money shots = FAIL
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The most charming thing about you is how upset you get when anyone doubts ANYTHING Cameron does. Oh, did I say charming? I meant disturbing. I mean, seriously, dude, time to RELAX. Nobody is going to take his cock out of your mouth. You know that blue tinted dildo you have with his autograph? You can suck it all night long! Have at it! Enjoy thine borderline psychotic idolatry! Meanwhile, I'll be looking forward to seeing what Avatar has to offer beyond the hype and hope it lives up to it. The premise is certainly intriguing. Lets see him back up his bluster. Thrill me, Cameron. Make me believe the guy who made Aliens wasn't a fluke. And before you bother saying it, yes, I know, you think T2 is the greatest film of all times and anyone who doesn't think so is a big dumb doody head. Also, PG-13 is a moviekiller, unless its Cameron, then its okay. Got it.
Now lets all pause while kwizatz completely loses his mind because someone had the temerity to doubt Cameron's status as his god. Because someone wants proof to back up the bluster. Here it comes in t-minus 3, 2, 1... -
where did you get that from what i said? I'm the least "money-shot" hungry poster here. But I've been told that I *must* drool over this SUPERCOOL still, and I thought it was incredibly ordinary. It's like a cordon bleu chef giving you crumbs and expecting you to be grateful.
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No, I've never been in the service, but so what? It was corny. The "space truckers" scenes in the first Alien movie were much more believable. It's verisimilitude, which is not the same as realism. Ebert, for better or worse, didn't like Erin Brockovitch because he didn't believe the character. When people pointed out that she was a real person who actually did those things, Ebert (rightly) pointed out that that was beside the point. The movie didn't work for me, and the dialogue (as did most of the dialogue in Titanic) took me out of the movie.
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IS UP WITH THE AVATAR WEBSITE? DID IT CRASH? I WANT MY FUCKING TICKETS!!!
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ive been trying since 3. WHAT THE FUCK.
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u havent put the whole speech:
Another glorious day in the Corps! A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the FARM. Every meal's a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I LOVE the Corps!
that analogy with the farm,doesnt give the usual larger than life,ultra tough cliche quotes,u find in other action movies.
imho it express a more sensible,modest,real life kind of toughness.just as the farmers who do a very hard work,who are survivors whose ever day is just another day to "fight" for their living in the farms,whose hot meal and a good sleep is their deserving and very important reward of their days hard work,
in the same fashion,the soldiers should treasure very much the same rewards of their military life:
their training,their responsibilities,their duties,their teamwork,professionalism etc,all that consists a days hard work,with a meal,a paycheck etc being rewards of that hard work,and they should be very proud of it.THATS the meaning of Apones speech.
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Aug 17, 2009 5:37:06 PM CDT
Ominus, that;'s because I don;'t treat Cameron like shakespeare
by wookie1972
I was quoting from memory. I klnow what the meaning is, I just thought it was incredibly trite. If I were a marine there I would be very tempted to say shut the f*ck up sarge. It would be worth the pushups.
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That does show a lot of temerity to say that. I'll admit that part of the problem is that I'm not a fan of the military, period. But let me put it this way: I saw Aliens when I was 14 and was amazed... until I saw Alien for the first time (on video). I've never been a marine or a trucker, but the characters in Alien seemed much more real to me. But agree to disagree and all that.
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But not fucked. Yet.
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Seriously, we all know it even if some won't admit it, fan love for Cameron being what it is. I can't believe how great a movie I just saw - we all get blase these days after seeing so much that doesn't live up to the hype, but hell, D9 really did. It's trailers and marketing were great, and the film was superb. 30 million budget? Cameron must be sticking pins in a Blomkamp doll right about now. Avatar's marketing so far has been, realistically, fucking shit.....and now this image is released to tempt us? It's a shitty picture, I fear ominously forcasting what's to come - a bloated mess. And he's planning 'Battle Angel' next? Fuck, the guy's lost his mind somewhere in that 12 year hiatus. Mulleted Thundercats? Fuck me. This is the guy who gave us Terminator, Abyss and Aliens. Wish I could give him the benefit of the doubt but that pic is too fucking bad.
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I don't know what anyone here is on, this movie sucked big balls. FAIL.
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Care to elaborate?
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I was going to reply to all the same old points you keep making (wrongly) but life is too short. But just so you know Cameron isn't my favourite filmmaker, in fact he's prob not even in my top 10. Just imagine how pissed off i'd be if you dissed one of them.
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