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Some of the stuff I thought worth noting from coverage of Los Angeles’ Television Critics Association event, which finally ended Saturday: * HULK/AVENGERS Tim Roth, promoting “Lie To Me,” told reporters Marvel signed him to play “Incredible Hulk” villain Emil “The Abomination” Blonsky for three movies, a deal that could put him in both a “Hulk” sequel and the “Avengers” movie due May 4, 2012. "I don't want to get into it, but they signed me up for three," he offered. * CABIN IN THE WOODS “Dollhouse” star Fran Kranz describes his Feb. 5 comedy thriller “Cabin In The Woods,” from writer-producer Joss Whedon (“Serenity”) and writer-director Drew Goddard (“Cloverfield”), as “basically ‘Evil Dead’ meets ‘The Truman Show.’” Does this mean “Cabin” star Bradley Whitford, who played a TV sketch-show exec on “Studio 60,” will play a bloodthirsty TV reality show exec on the big screen? * V ABC’s shrugworthy lizard-Nazi sci-fi drama remake “V” now has a premiere date: Nov. 3. * LOST “V” star Elizabeth Mitchell says she’ll be making more than one trip to Hawaii to appear on the final season of “Lost.” * STAR TREK XII “Fringe” co-creator Roberto Orci, screenwriter of the 11th and upcoming 12th “Star Trek” movies, calls “Heroes” star Greg Grunberg’s suggestion to cast Grunberg as Harry Mudd in an upcoming sequel “a good idea.” * VIEW-MASTER Orci told reporters DreamWorks’ in-development “View-Master” movie did not start as a “View-Master” movie. “Our company got a look at [a completed script by “Fringe” writer Brad Caleb Kane], and [we] thought, 'We could actually connect this with View-Master who we know happens to be looking for someone.' So it wasn't like, 'Let's come up with a View-Master movie.' There was a great idea out there, and it was perfect to marry with View-Master." * FRINGE Orci confirms JFK is still alive in the alternate “Fringe” universe where the twin towers of the World Trade Center still stand. Olivia Dunham will be the only character hopping between universes in the first half of season two. Also, Leonard Nimoy will be in at least two season-two episodes and likely more. For those who missed it, “Fringe” producers told me at a Comic-Con roundtable that J.J. Abrams’ name is on the teleplay for the new season’s first episode. * THE JAY LENO SHOW Leno's primetime show will feature the product-placement dream of having celebrities race environmentally friendly autos. Can you feel your sides splitting?? He also hired Selma Blair's hunky boyfriend as a "correspondent" for the show alongside Jim Norton, Rachael Harris and D.L. Hughley (who apparently lost his CNN show way back in March). Leno will spend most if not all of the new nightly show away from a desk and likely have only two musical guests per week. Oh, and "Tonight Show" announcer Stuttering John Melendez will not have an on-camera role in primetime; he'll now serve as one of the new show's 19 writers. (Stuttering John can write?) And here’s a non-TCA bit I'll just toss in: * THE GREEN HORNET Just before “Funny People” hit cinemas Seth Rogen told Howard Stern on his satellite radio show that his “Green Hornet” movie would seek to emulate the Martin Brest films “Beverly Hills Cop” and “Midnight Run.” Sweet!
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  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    They should remake Hulk... In space.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Bring on Hulk II!

    by Shermdawg

    Loved the reboot.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Also, casting Grunberg in something...

    by Shermdawg never a "good idea". But since that "good idea" came from the lips of the man that rarely has a "good idea", it doesn't surprise me much.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Roth is fine, but bring the HURT!

    by Sherman_Lives

    If we can have WIlliam Hurt's Thunderbolt Ross AND Samuel Jackson's Nick Fury in a scene or two together, that will make my day.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Orci is such a fucking hack.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    We need an idea for Fringe, Bob... Hmmm... I know we'll set it, in an alternate universe.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    V is gonna be fucking awesome

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Even if the cast is shitty.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Steve Guttenberg to be Harry Mudd.

    by scriptgirl_nipples


  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I like it!

    by Bramton1

    Grunberg would be an interesting choice.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Danny Devito to play Harry Mudd!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Devito? As Mudd?

    by Shermdawg

    Now you're making ME hard.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    V looks awesome.

    by Ash0k


  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST


    by Anything But Tangerines

    ought to drop the eco-shit. America will not be denied it's CUBIC INCHES< BABY

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by wampa 1

    ...but it sure smells good!

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    V? Are they going to be friendly lizard Nazis again?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    District 9 looks like the V movie we've all wanted; and I'm willing to bet that the humans are the bad guys. I can't wait to see it.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Tom Hanks as MUDD!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Fucking do it!

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Abomination in 3 movies?

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    He was barely interesting enough for one!

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Green Hornet foils people with a banana in the tailpipe

    by Heckles

    John Ashton as Kato?

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Jason Lee should be Harry Mudd

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Sandra Bullock as the salt monster chick; Tobey McGuire as Charlie X; Paris Hilton as Yeoman Rand and Clint Howard should reprise his role as Captain Blalock.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    We don't need Harcourt Fenton Mudd

    by Sir Loin

    ...until the 3rd movie at LEAST. Do something ORIGINAL for the next Trek film. Why is that so difficult? The writers seem to have a grasp of everything Trek, so why go back to the well? Ugh.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Bill Murray as Mudd and give Abomination EARS!



  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Stuttering John news

    by RenoNevada2000

    Didn't this break on Stern about a week and a half ago?

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Iggy Pop as Janice Rand.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Now THAT would be fucking awesome.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Iggy Pop Should Be In Every Movie

    by IForgotAbout19

    And I am not being sarcastic. How about Hawkeye in the Avengers? I thought the Norton Hulk was pretty much perfect, nearly as good as Iron Man, I'm really psyched to hear they're making another, I was getting worried they'd give up on Norton, since he's supposedly an asshole. I would love it if he and Downey Jr. get to be in the Avengers together, and with Iggy Pop announced (go with it) as Hawkeye, the cast is shaping up to some real RAW POWER.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    In other news

    by IForgotAbout19

    Midnight Run is an excellent movie. Particularly the Pantaliano/DeNiro scene where Pants defends against the accusation that he's cheap. Has the feeling that they just let the camera run on the two of them. Though, I guess apparently that's what people now DON'T like about Rogen...? I don't know,I can never keep up with the hate-trends.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by kjl451

    And that fucking rules, my friends.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    how the fuck do you pick Harcourt Fenton Mudd

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    over Khan Noonien Singh for a second Star Trek movie's villain?<p>/facepalm

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    THE SHATNER as Mudd

    by anonymoose

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by juddapatowfanclub

    Leno having celebrities driving cars is a complete rip off of Top Gear. On Top Gear they use a modestly priced car while Jay Leno is going to use an Eco-Friendly one. The only highlight of his show will be Jim Norton who is one the funniest comedians alive today

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Whatever this VIEWMASTER shit is...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...I hope it goes away fast.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST


    by anonymoose

    ...should duel for the role.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by kjl451

    best post AICN has had in a while. and that's not just the whiskey talking.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    For the love of God hire a A LIST Director for the Hulk.

    by ganymede3010

    I'm sick and tired of my favorite Marvel charter being fucked when it comes to his silverscreen appearances. Knowing those cheap fucks over at Marvel they'll hire another hack to fuck it up.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I want tribbles, damnit!

    by The Dum Guy

    A big budget film with tribbles as the problem... go really deep, and have them be symbolic stand-ins for CO2 emmisions, or herpes.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Greg Gunberg

    by enderandrew

    Was one of the best parts of Heroes. On panels and such he is hilarious. I've always wanted to see him land a bigger role. But I thought he was wanting a starring role in the Star Trek series we know will be spun off this movie series. If he plays Harvey Mudd in the movie, would that preclude him from the TV show?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Harry Mudd is a "good" idea?

    by Laserbrain

    I hope Orci *did* roll his eyes with that utterance. <p>While the series' reinvention wasn't really to my taste I do admire the regard the writers managed to show to the original continuity; allowing old and new Trek to exist side by side through an alternate universe conceit was clever and respectful so kudos to Orci and Kurtzman (can't I believe I just wrote that!). <p>But Jesus, I hope any Harry Mudd, Khan rumours are nothing but fanwank. You've opened up a formerly very stuffy canon - the last thing that we need to see is all the old stalwarts regurgitated and reinvented endlessly in lieu of new characters and fresh stories.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Mudd and Khan

    by enderandrew

    I think there should perhaps be some winks and references to them in the background to make fans happy, but I just don't see how recasting them and telling their stories differently will make people happy. But then again, I didn't think an audience would be happy with a recast Kirk and Spock. I could be wrong. I still think it is an unnecessary risk. I think Nero could have been a decent villian if developed a little more.<p>So Nero loses his wife, and then hangs out at a black hole for 26 years? And he never calms down?<p>We took the time to establish every character and give them all something to do in the first movie. Now lets spend some time on a good, original villian this time around.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Shrugworthy V???

    by marcspector

    I saw the V sneak peak at Comic Con and I thought it was fantastic. Not "shrugworthy." Fantastic. Now "Vampire Diaries," that was shrugworthy.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Yeah that Ang Lee

    by WreckJohnson

    Is a real fuckin' hack

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I LOVED Incredible Hulk

    by bueno_bob

    Ed Norton, Liv Tyler, great story, fun...what wasn't to love about it? Bring on Hulk II!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST


    by codymr

    "Iggy Pop as Janice Rand." <P> LMFAO! That is some funny shit dude.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Wasn't that the point of rebooting Trek? If they're just gonna fucking bring back everyone, why don't I just stay home and watch an episode for free?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Shouldn't it be HULK III?

    by mistergreen

    I love it when everybody pretends the first Hulk movie didn't exist. Hulk I was good. I skipped through all the Ed Norton & Liv Tyler moments. That made for a better movie :)

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Incredible wasn't a sequel.

    by Shermdawg

    They clearly show this with the flashbacks. At what point was Ang's Banner in the chair? Do you remember Connelly ever getting hurt and ending up in the hospital? No? Ok then.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    paul giamatti as harry mudd.

    by alice 13

    sean hannity as harry's wife.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Sylar should be the only Hero on Trek

    by estacado1

    And Abomination being around for sequels, I prefer to see Hulk take on somebody/something different. Marvel movies are following a formula that is starting to get tired. The good guy always fight against the evil equivalent of himself. Spidey vs. Venom, Iron Man vs. another glowing chest bad guy, Hulk vs. Abomination, Wolverine vs. Sabretooth. They better come up with a new formula soon. <p> And good to hear Eli Mitchell will play an integral part in the final season of Lost. But I don't like her doing V. After starring a breakthrough series like Lost, going to do V seems like a step backwards.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Trek crew battles a fat con-artist?

    by Heckles

    Good to fill a 25 episode season, not a major fucking motion picture. You would need Mudd, Tribbles, Doomsday Machine and the Guardian of Forver.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Philip Seymour Hoffman would own as Harry Mudd

    by hifidog

    You know its true! But the best "leftfield" casting would be Jeffrey Tambor.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    A true Trek fan like Tom Hanks should be in it

    by estacado1

    He can act, he knows the characters better than any of the writers, he's perfect. Get him a role!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk smashed Iron Man good!

    by thejacknapierproject

    And I love Iron Man! But out of all the movies in 2008 - a year we were fucking spoilt for great flicks, let's face it - The Incredible Hulk is the one I've re-watched the most. Love the quality cast treating the material with respect, love the Bourne-style man in the run moments, love the Craig Armstrong score, love the layering of Marvel mythos (including Thor's thunderstorm that saves Betty from burning), plus you get a Downey Jr. bonus. I'm so hoping for a sequel on this. And Hulk just has to be in The Avengers. Check out The Ultimates for some great ways to use his destructive nature as part of a superteam. "Hulk not gay!!!!"

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Seth Rogen and Midnight Run?

    by brock landers baby

    If he lives to 1000 years old he'll never capture one second of the magic that is Midnight Run.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    This new Trek franchise is a joke

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I can't believe how many of you have been suckered in.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:39 a.m. CST

    The Hulk a la 1970s will always reign supreme

    by Carl's hat

    Remeber how they all just ragged on the Bill Bixby series when they were planning/making the first Hulk movie? That flick turned out as an empty headed piece of crap so they came crying back to the 70's series, with all types of subtle and not so subtle touches to the show. And it turned out to be a good bloody movie. I can still hear Bill Bixby laughing.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Hopeit happens

    by spleen

    Loved the Hulk. Would love another one.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Damn RSS

    by SmallTuna

    I read the news in Netvibes, and the RSS thing doesn't show the spoiler tag. I'm glad they're doing a sequel to Hulk-Reboot, I don't get why people don't like this movie so much. I loved the casting.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    LOST's character Caesar

    by SmallTuna

    will also return for some episodes in the final season, as the french actor said in an interview.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Needs more GIANT PIG

    by GIANT_PIG

    GIANT PIG!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST


    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Harry Mudd? For fucks sake...

    by V'Shael

    Not only one of the dumbest characters ever on Trek (a product of the 60's bumbling style of comedy that birthed Dom De Louise), this illustrates perfectly how fucked the reboot is. The original series went from shit to Khan. The reboot goes from shit to Mudd. It's poetry, really.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    seconding for Mudd...

    by awardgiver

    Paul Giamatti. He has the charm. None of the other ideas work as well.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    What's with all of the Orci penned stuff?

    by Dingbatty

    Have I slipped into an alternate universe where he is considered a good storyteller?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Mudd Lucas

    by SminkyPinky

    I reckon Matt Lucas would make a great Harry Mudd.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    They'll probably do the Red Hulk/Rulk

    by Dingbatty

    storyline, because Marvel pictures is enamored with anything NEW! NEW! and with the shitty Ultimates universe. I guarantee we'll get that awful new armored-pyjamas look for Thor (as if Thor ever needed armor?!).<p>They'll rationalize that Rulk will save them money in CG work (simple color change).

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    fuck Mudd in the ass, shit character

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    V'Shael is right

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Mudd was a travesty of a character. It is shit like that which keeps me from enjoying TOS. I liked the new Trek actually (sorry haters), but if they introduce Mudd...well then Trek is truly dead to me.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Is Jay Leno taking tips for Top Gear by any chance?


    I know he's a fan.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by The McPoyle Clan

    JJ Abrams' buddies like Grunberg polluting ST? Hell no. I've come to the conclusion that the unlikeable Matt Parkman character can only be half blamed on the writing.<br><br>Also at TCA, NBC was rightly being roasted by other execs and some notable show runners for the Leno experiment. And their non-stop babble from the execs about "branding" was met with obvious skepticism by the press.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    ...some Incredible Hulk love! I thought I was the only one.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Star Trek shit, Hornet shit,Hulk tolerable, Lost shitty,

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Fringe only thing worthwhile. <p> Lost has Heroes script wrtiters who can not manage any type of season to season consistency. And the both kill off interesting characters they have no idea how to use after the characters short introductory period. <p> New Trek sucked ass bigtime.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Mudd = Johnny Vegas or Steve Pemberton

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Or Reece Shearsmith or Dawn French

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Who plays Clint Howards alien?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Well bitches?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Nov 3rd noted!

    by Yeti

    Thanks Herc!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    So the Green Hornet's going to....

    by Cervantes

    ....have the same vibe as the original Beverly Hills Cop and the excellent Midnight Run? With all that wonderfully-timed swearing and shit? If it turns out half as much fun as those did, then I'll be there. I was really looking forward to the Incredible Hulk's villain being The Abomination, seeing as it had been a favourite of mine from my youth....and then I saw the movie design. It might as well been called Resident Evil Man, 'cause it sure wasn't The Abomination! So unless he 'continues' to transform a little, then I hope he DOESN'T make any further appearances, and that we just get something fresh. For those that care, HERE'S a great mock-up of how they could at least improve on the design we ultimately ended up with (just scroll down a little) - And as far as the rebooted Trek universe goes....spare us a rebooted Khan or Harry Mudd as contenders for 'main' villain antics, and give us something TRULY exotically alien and menacing in this supposedly NEW exploration of 'where no-one has gone before, and something better than an unhappy Romulan. Wish they'd re-reboot that fugly Enterprise design while they're at it.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    "Tribbles as the PROBLEM"?!

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Nah. Tribbles as the PROTEIN. I'd pay to see that. (*stomach rumbles*)

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Both Hulk movies were good

    by ominus

    they had both their flaws,but they had a lot of good stuff too. i wish they could somehow merge the better parts of each movie,into this new Hulk movie.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    the hulk smash!

    by Castiel

    nortons hulk was fantastic, and completely erased the shitfest of the ang lee movie.( which i watched again and couldn't finish simply because of its god damm awfulness) <p> harry mudd, no thanks.. a reboot a billion new stories and we're going back to the same old shit? no thanks... c'mon guys new stories!</P>

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    anyone who works on Viewmaster the movie

    by alienindisguise

    should not only never get to work on anything ever again but they also need to have their heads caved in. Fucking morons.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I love how they rebooted the Hulk movie to make more money...

    by rbatty024

    and it ended up costing more than Ang Lee's Hulk and making almost the exact same amount. That was absolutely genius, Marvel.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk was awesome

    by Cotton McKnight

    Great news- I hope it happens. Wish I hadn't read the Fringe spoiler though. Oh and I saw the Hangover last night for the first time and it was NOT as good as advertised. By a long shot.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Not excited to see Harry Mudd 2.0

    by YackBacker

    What a waste of the new TREK concept. They have the chance to do TREK in a new direction. It's the ultimate "WHAT IF?" set-up, and they are considering bringing out old characters like Mudd? What a shame...

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Still waiting for a decent Fantastic Four movie

    by MasterShake

    I was so pissed off at the first two, they are the only Marvel titles I don't have in my DVD collection. I grew up reading a dramatic, hard sci-fi FF comic, and Tim Story turned them into the "Barber Shop" with super powers. I still want to see a super-strong 500lb bulky THING, tortured by his condition, not a dwarf in a latex suit that only cracks one-liners. The FF are supposed to be a tough, highly trained fighting team, the family squabbling was only a side issue. Reboot the FF with all new actors. Tie it in with Hulk 2 (or 3, whatever). Have the FF recruited by Gen. Ross to capture the Hulk. Lots of incredible super-powered fighting. A on-screen smack-down between the Hulk and The Thing is long overdue. Of course, Gen. Ross only tells Richards the Hulk is a rampaging monster, not Bruce Banner, whom Richards knows personally. Richards finds out who the Hulk really is and becomes obsessed with curing Banner, convinced he can cure Ben Grimm using the same process. Of course this doesn't happen and results in tragic consequences for all. It would be easy to make this a 2 movie crossover and reboot the FF franchise too.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Greg Grunberg as Harry Mudd is a good idea

    by AsimovLives

    Again, this proves that the problem with this Dawson Treks movies are not the actors in them, but the fucking retard assclowns who make them, namely Bob The Orci, The Klutzman and Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Greg Grunberg is a good actor

    by AsimovLives

    It's him as a person i have a problem. That dude suffers from an excess of attitude. It's as if the man is on a perpectual caffeine bingue or something. The man brings a bad name to extroversion.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    ang lee's hulk = underrated

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    for the life of me I still don't understand why that movie gets shit on as much as it does...beautiful cinematography, the editing was some of the best stuff I've ever seen, it was like watching a comic book...oh well I do agree that Grunberg and all other heroes actors should stay away from Star Trek...that series is terrible...poach lost actors if you have to...but don't use Mudd as a character...originality please and V? yeah I'm in

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The only problem with Fringe is that the people who make that show haven't a fucking clue what fringe science means, and they fill the show with a hell of a lot of pseudoscience bullshit. There is an big difference between fringue science and pseudoscience, which the makes of this show are compeltly unaware of. Small wonder, this same assclowns who created Fringe also made Dawson Trek.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    "ang lee's hulk = underrated"

    by AsimovLives

    Truer words have not been writen this whole week.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I wanted to give Fringe a chance

    by AsimovLives

    Mostly because i rally liked the lead actress. She's like a younger Cate Blanchett, same physical beauty type, same poise, hell she even has a similiar voice. And she is also australian, like Blanchett is. Still, the show is too dumb for words, and not even the pretty face of a quite talented young actress is enough for me to enduee the barrage of stupidity that is Fringe.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Herc seems to be bass-ackwards

    by Kaiser Soze

    He calls the new V "shrugworthy, has absolutely no regard for HBO's highest rated series in years (True Blood), and yet wets his panties at the thought of the teenage-flavored Vampire Diaries (or Twilight, the show)!?!?!? And drools over some new reality show piece of crap. Herc, HOW did you get the TV gig again?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Star Wars killed Star Trek

    by ominus

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    View Master

    by RobinP

    I still want to know how the hell they can make a movie out of that !

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Good ideas, MasterShake!

    by Zardoz

    Too bad that Fox, and not Marvel, own the rights to FF onscreen. (So your ideas will never happen. Sorry.) I haven't even seen FF2 after the first one sucked so bad. And why was Ang Lee's Hulk so bad? Two words: Hulk Dogs. (and all the daddy issues. And Jennifer Connelly. And...) Let's hope The Incredible Hulk 2 is even better!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Rogen doesn't know what GH is gonna be

    by JuanSanchez

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    More Hulk please...

    by OfficerJunior

    ... wouldn't it be cool to get a proper Hulk video game? Greg Grunberg was in JJ's Trek as the voice of Kirk's stepdad. and FF2>FF1 by miles.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    It wasnt very good. At times I felt as if I was watching a video game-literally-as actors looked like actors standing slack-jawed in amazement at the fakey Hulk. Really. He just looked like what he was-a computer generated fake image. Though neither is great, Ang Lee's HULK was far superior in terms of story and acting.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    uberman-yeah,explain the end of Ang Lee's Hulk

    by brock landers baby

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Hooo-kay, deep breath everybody:

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Fringe: Not brilliant, not shit. Spun its wheels a lot, should've been better, but occassionally very very cool. <p> <p> Anyone who is more excited about Vampire Diaries than "V" is a tit. "Shrugworthy"? Fuck off! It's one remake I really wasn't on board with (the original, original miniseries ROCKS 26 years later), but it looks much better than what could've been. <p> <p> Star Trek was the best movie this year. <p> <p> Ang Lee's Hulk was a po-faced uninvolving unenjoyable, BORING movie. How can you make the Hulk BORING? Unlikeable characters, fifth-form pontificating on the duality of man and the sins of the father. And an ending that made zero fucking sennse. <p> <p> Going back to Khan or Mudd (MUDD, for fuck's sake) will kill the Star Trek franchise. It's a new universe. Go at it. Be original. I dread to think what's going to happen actually - a recent interview said Orci and Kurtzman were thinking of going with the "threat of the unknown" rather than a physical bad guy. Last time that happened, we got The Motion Picture. Two hours of people looking out of window.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    and also....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Does anyone really care about Green Hornet? No one except the likes of us know what the hell it is. And Rogen's ship has sure as shit sailed. His jig is up.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The only way Dawson Trek to be the best movie of this year is if every other movie made this year was Trasnfroemrs 2 and nothing else. Dawson Trek is one of the most stupid, retard, incompetent, mentally defficient movie made inthe last 15 years that was not directed by Michael Bay. T4 is a piece of shit and is better then Dawson Trek. Dawson Trek is pure retarded shit, and then some.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Hey Asimov!!!!

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Yep, I thought that might wind you up. <p> <p> You are, of course, wrong. <p> <p> All The Moviegoers On Earth: 1 <p> AsimovLives: 0

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    and I'm hopping over....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... to the Mission Impossible 4 talkback, to see what unwarranted narrow-minded, bafflingly neurotic assault on Abrams and Co has been launched by Asimov there. <p> <p> And please, Asimov, since you insist on us calling you by your "proper", full name... please do not refer to Abrams as Jar Jar, or Star Trek as Dawson's Trek. It's not big or clever. And also, since the one thing you seem to think the new Trek had going for it was the cast, using "Dawson's Trek" as an insult is... well... highly illogical.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Hulk dogs were in the comics too

    by ominus

    so i dont see where thats a problem for the movie.and banners problematic relatioship with his father,was in the comic too. <p>the only thing that Lees movie is lacking,is a strong physical villain,just for a climatic showdown.Banners father should have become the Abomination,instead of the absorbing man.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    With you there Ominus...

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... but I find the same fault with Hulk as I do most of Ang Lee's films. Very good to look at, but that's all. I find there's a distance put between us and the characters, where the protagonists are just somehow coldly studied.... it just makes them unrelatable. I didn't care about one character in Ang Lee's Hulk. I thought Banner was a bit of a mopey dickhead, to be fair. Not the good man wrestling with his inner beast.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk is much better than Lettier's

    by ganymede3010

    I can't believe half of you talkbackers came here proclaiming that Letteires piece of shit was better. Especially you Harry.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    ^ THIS

    by TheMcflyFarm

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk was GAWDAWFUL

    by Kaiser Soze

    There's no amount of sugary-coating that can change that. You had the beyond-retarded Hulkdogs (don't care if they were in the comics, they were stupid), electro-daddy (again, don't care), and worst of all, Banner becoming the Hulk was because his dad experimented on him?!? To quote Sir Eric Cartman, "Seriously, dude. Da Fuck?" But perhaps the absolute worst thing about Lee's Hulk is that, in a two and a half hour film, I had to wait two friggin hours to actually SEE the Hulk? And then he looked like John Madden and Shrek fucked in a back alley and had a lovechild. --- Leterrier's Hulk was just the opposite: a faster paced, man on the run kind of film, where we really got to see what the Hulk could do. And we got a VILLAIN, something Lee's Hulk lacked (albeit it was an ear-less version of the Abomination...still better than electro-dad). I'm honestly amazed Lee's Hulk still has defenders...

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Jay Leno was on Top Gear last week....

    by Gabba-UK

    doing a lap on the 'Star in a reasonably priced car' slot. For such a petrol head he was a mid-table driver being only the second fastest American, the first being Mark Wahlberg.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ganymede3010 is truthy

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    True Blood

    by enderandrew

    True Blood gets good ratings because the chicks get turned on by vampires, and there is tons of nudity to keep the guys interested. But at the end of the day, it is pretty terrible. I watched the original pilot (which had to be reshot because it was so bad) and it was possibly the single worst hour of television I have ever seen.<p>When they took the nudity, cussing, and blood out of the Sopranos to air it on other networks, suddenly people didn't like the show. The show constantly won awards for writing and directing, but really people just really liked seeing adult material on TV. True Blood is much the same, but far worse of a show than Sopranos.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    If the Incredible Hulk was the first movie in the series then I would say that it was easily as good as the first X-Men, Spider-man and Iron Man. But it has the misfortune of coming after Ang Lee’s Hulk which was sublime and a better movie then people deserved, especially you fucking retards that bitched that there wasn’t enough “HULK SMASH!”. It took the X-Men and Spider-man’s first sequel to reach their full potential but Lee did it on the first shot.<br> <br>Hulk was the first true comic book movie since George A. Romero’s Creepshow, in that, it wasn’t simply a movie based on a comic book but tried to actually replicate the look and feel of a comic. I’d say that it was an underrated near masterpiece and those of you who didn’t like it deserve nothing but Batman & Robin level garbage of the lowest order. I’d rather have someone make an interesting failure then a successful piece of mediocre shit.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by Hercules

    If you can indentify where I wet my panties over Vampire Diaries I will send you $10. <p>

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    It seems that I have to give credit to J.J. Abrams for salvaging Star Trek’s fucking terrible script written by those two worthless hacks Orci and Kurtzman (worthless in the metaphorical sense, they’re both rich as fuck from selling their souls to Michael Bay) because I though his casting was fantastic. It was so good that I’d happily pay to see another Trek movie that was entirely set on the ship and just revolving around the characters just running around and doing their jobs.<br> <br>Even make it a fucking a Robert Altman style comedy ala M.A.S.H. Just do something different instead of another asshole with a beef and a doomsday weapon threatening Earth, yawn. A movie split into seven parts showing each character going about their business would have so much potential. That way each of them gets their moment to shine instead of it focusing just on Kirk and Spock. The first movie gave all the characters something to do but I’d like to see the sequels played more like an ensemble.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    Girls like Vampires the way they like having gay men for friends. Notice how all these vampires are good looking guys who are somehow independently wealthy, can live forever and yet don’t ever want to fuck any of these women? It’s all fantasy romantic bullshit that only tween girls like because none of them have gotten properly laid yet and any sexual contact they’ve had has been unsatisfying, so they love the idea of a good looking guy who doesn’t want in their pants but, unlike homos, have romantic feelings for them.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Vampire romance needs more ASSPIRACY

    by MichelleRodrijizz

    mark my words.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    What Carlthormark said about Hulk

    by ominus

    but whats the point? there are people who think that TDL is nothing less than a masterpiece.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST



    Norton > RDJ, Roth > Bridges, Tyler > Paltrow. I would watch Baywatch Nights 2 again. Baywatch Nights 1 sucks ass. Baywatch Nights 3 looks like it will be the campest movie since Batman & Robin. Also Baywatch Nights 2 is much better than Ang Lee's Hulk and anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking demented.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Surrender Hulk is slightly better then Slave Labor Hulk

    by Xiphos_2

    Because Frnchies Hulk was a bit more coherrent but both movies were woefully lacking in so many areas. I think if you salvaged the good parts from both flicks jammed them together you might have a pretty damn good Hulk movie.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by kgerm

    ..plays a shady government agent. But that description is completely accurate. "Evil Dead" meets "Truman Show". Bradley factors into the latter. Go with that. Also keep in mind the taglines of the posters.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    2 kinds of girls ready Romatic Vampire Bullshit..

    by conspiracy

    1. 12yr olds who have not yet taken the cock but really, really want too.</p><p>2. Their mothers who have taken the cock, but have not gotten any from their hubby or the pool boy since they had the kid and Really, Really want to.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    ready=read Sorry..long night folks

    by conspiracy

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Check out True Blood, CarlThorMark1978

    by turketron_2

    Because on that show the vampires have no problem with fucking their food!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Hey...Maybe Orci is not rich? Maybe he works Really Cheap...

    by conspiracy

    that is one explanation as to how the terrible fuck keeps getting work.I enjoyed Trek...not great but watchable...but Orci had NOTHING to do with it..the Script was TERRIBLE. I seriously doubt Orci could write porn.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    you sexist,misogynist bastard

    by ominus

    i agree though :P

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by Mennen

    I Love Tim, great actor but no way could I buy him as a man's man - NO FUCKIN' WAY.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    All those Hulk movies, and it still sucks.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute! Abomination is coming back?!?!!?!?

    by Evangelion217

    SWEET! And Mennen, your opinion is wrong. Tim Roth was badass! :)

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    The Hulk just needs a decent actor

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Now if it was someone like Vin Diesel as The Hulk, I would totally believe it.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    ORCI TREK can only make MY ass sore once...

    by BurnHollywood

    (Though not very sore...I didn't pay to see it, someone else bought the ticket)<p> The rest of you who talked that FPOS're obliged to bend over for the soap, now.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Casting was better in Lee's Hulk

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I'm sorry but am I the only one who absolutly despises Liv Tyler?? I mean she brings down everything she is in...armageddon, LOTR, everything she's in is worse because of her presence...she's not good looking, she can't act...her presence alone in TIH makes Lee's a better movie...Connelly and Sam Shepard much much much better than their TIH counterparts...Norton is better than Bana but not by enough to warrent that garbage

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Kasier Soze? You There?

    by RMA

    In the words of Eric Cartman: 'uber pwnage'. Don't hate for that, it is a Cartman quote. I know...sorry. Whatever. Just stop looking at me.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Both HULKs proof that you can't make fanboys happy...

    by BurnHollywood

    The first was a little overlong, but respectful and "arty"...they thought it was gay. The second was direct and to the they're actually bitching that the two premier actors roped into the thing didn't have the chops!<p> Just face the facts: The Hulk is kind of a dull "superhero". Not as athletic or elegant as Batman or Iron Man, just some guy who turns into another guy, smashes shit and then has to sleep it off. Reminds me of my alcoholic uncle...and I didn't have to pay to watch him.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Harry Mudd?

    by KazamaSmokers

    David Ogden Stiers.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    No you're not the only one who despises Liv Tyler.

    by ganymede3010

    She's way to old, washed up, and I'm sick of her playing the same role and making the same faces in every single movie she's in. Her glory days are over, I'm sure she'll be recast in the next installment.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    Sir, I think that we simply have to come to grips with the fact that movies that appeal to the senses (things that are loud, dumb, and shiny. Oh, and sexy.) sell very well. Films that appeal to the intellect instead of, or even in addition to, the senses, Not So Much. For every TDK (not perfect, mind you, but pretty damn good), we'll get 10 Transformers/Star Trek '09s. But keep the faith, I'm sure something good will come along (film-wise).

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Lee's Hulk >>>>>>>> New Hulk

    by TheWaqman

    God what a piece of shit the new film was. I couldn't sit through it when I rented that shit. And I felt cheated out of the 5 dollar rental fee. Ang Lee's film was definitely more interesting, I don't know why it gets so much shit. Was it those stupid CGI dogs? They were only in the film for a couple of minutes. Also V looks awful.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    Have trouble scribbling dirty jokes on the wall of a toilet stall located at a military base which is the equivalent of scripting a Michael Bay movie.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    A hulk remix

    by mortsleam

    Edit the 1st two movies together, Hulk vs. Tanks in the desert an some of the comic-panelly editing from the 1st one with the plot and story of the 2nd one. Ed Norton as Bruce, Jennifer Connelly as Betty. Edit out Hulk Dogs and Nick Nolte as Absorbing Man/Daddy Banner. Elliot and Hirt can take turns as Ross, I guess.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Wrong. You calculatiosn should be: Half of USA and UK = liked Dawson Trek. The rest of the world = can't give a shit about Dawson Trek. Rest of the world box office result for Dawson Trek is 2/3 of the american box office alone. That tells that Dawson Trek has not traveled well abroad. The Kool Aid Central has no foreign branching for that piece of shit movie. Tsk Tsk!<br><br>Dawson Trek is a horrible piec eof shit for reasons too many people in here already posted, which you might very well conviniently forgot you read, so you can have your kool-aid untainted. That's not good.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    From the retards who brough you Dawson Trek:

    by AsimovLives

    More retarded shit.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    "Abomination is coming back?!?!!?!?"

    by AsimovLives

    Indeed! It's the Jar Jar Abram's Dawson Trek sequel. Cinematic abomination abortion of the highest kind.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Dawson's Trek >>> Star Wars prequels

    by TheWaqman

    which you so highly love Asimov. Also LOTR > ALL. That is all.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    But to be honest about Star Trek....

    by TheWaqman

    it's only widely liked at the moment because of all the shit we've had to sit through this summer (with the exception of Hurt Locker and Moon, but nobody's heard of those now). If it was released last year it would have been crucified in comparison to films like Iron Man, and certainly TDK.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Hangover made more bank then Dawson Trek

    by AsimovLives

    Both in and outside the USA. For the pseudo-geeks who measure their beloved piece of shit movies by the takings at thye box office (because they have nothing else to use to defend those cineamtic abortions), it must hurt that that relatively low budget comedy is winning the box office race in absolute box office numbers. And considering the movie must had costed like 1/4th of Dawson Trek's budget, this means the sucess is even bigger! Must hurt like hell for the Dawson Trek groupies!<br><br>By the way, Terminator 4 is just like 40 millions below the takings of Dawson Trek, and that is WORLDWIDE BOX OFFICE. Which means Dawson Trek is not that far ahead from that other crap blockbuster called T4. The true of the matter is, all this dumb piece of shit blockbusters like T4, Dawson Trek are underperforming to expectations. Considering half the money this movies make has to go to the distributors (at the very least half), this means this dumb crap stupid movies ar enot doing as well as the fanboys are wrongly claiming they are. And most notoriously, Dawson Trek.<br><br>I really don't give a shit about box office, really, but it's so satisfying to see the carpet being pulled off under the feet of the kool-aid drinkers.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Hulk has had his fucking chance.....

    by TheWaqman

    give Superman another shot! Don't make it some action-packed dumb shit film (like the new Hulk), and don't make it fucking boring either (like the new Superman) find some middle ground. Get a good director for once. Fuck the Wachowskis and tell Millar to piss off. We need somebody like Nolan.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You could had writen your post in chinese, it would be as equally incomprehensible.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The Chinese would be able to read it though...

    by TheWaqman

    assuming their government allows them to browse through this site.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    My coment above was for your first post above. Your second makes lots more sense. i think you are right in that that Jar Jar Abram's Dawson Trek piec eos shit movie is getting more and totally unmerited accolades because the blockbusters this year beve been extremely bad. Still, that is absolutly no excuse to hail highly and mistake for good a total piece of shit like Dawson Trek. doesn't fucking matter if the rest of teh competition is shit, shit is still shit evne if surrounded by shit.<br><br>But yeah, had Dawson Trek came along last year, and been put alongside The Dark Knight and Iron Man, nobody would had doubts of Dawson Trek's awfulness. But i think it's silly that people would need such comparisons to see the truth about Dawson Trek.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Dawson Trek = Ass: The Movie

    by AsimovLives

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk = good cast, awful plot

    by F-18

    I have yet to muster the interest to see the new Hulk movie, however. So I can't compare them.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Yeah I understand your point....

    by TheWaqman

    but comparisons are always made. And it's not even widely liked anymore. Star Trek fell off the radar after the first weekend. Only this site talks about it (and this site fucking loved Watchmen....:/ )

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    to each their own kool-aid

    by mr. smith

    unasked, I will offer my opinion that Hulk was a steaming pile of self indulgent horseshit that had next to nothing to do with the overall concept of the source material. Ridiculous set pieces,outside of the tank fight, mind you. Hulk Poodle? WTF? And when your source material is a riff on Jeckyl & Hyde duality, why remold it as a Daddy Issues showcase. Psychobabble garbage, just powerfully, POWERFULLY stupid. and, by the way, I do have friends who like it, and I feel no nood to be a prick about it. seriously.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Greg Grunberg WAS already in Trek!

    by Bramton1

    Abrams considered him his good luck charm. He had supporting roles in Felicity (Sean Blumberg) and Alias (Agent Eric Weiss). He was the pilot in Lost (died in the first episode, although he might make a return visit to the island in the last season in NBC allows it; the producers have contacted him about it). He has a bit cameo early in MI:III. He hasn't been on Fringe YET.<p>And he was Kirk's stepdad in Trek (the angry voice on the car phone).<p>So the question isn't IF he'll be the next Trek, but WHO will he be?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Why marry anything with View Master?

    by Semen Stains

    this shit just astounds me.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    that would be "need'

    by mr. smith

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    ganymede3010, Liv's 32.

    by Shermdawg

    That's NOT "old and washed up".

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    get a fucking talk back for True Blood!

    by Judge Briggs


  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Fuck's sake Asimov....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... unlike you, I don't have some blinded vendetta against a flick that MOST people really loved, so I'm not anal, tedious, and BORING enough to track ther B.O. of T4 and whatever. I am aware that The Hangover has banked more, and good, because it's a geniunely funny film, and for once NOT a comedy which we are TOLD is funny (ie the latest Jack Black / Rogen / Apatow entry). <p> <p> We've had this debate a thousand times before. We've plowed through Trek old and new in defence and prosecution. I haven't forgot any of your points - in fact I shot many of them down. <p> <p> You're hate-crusade against the new Star Trek continues to baffle me. Like me, you are (if I recall) a huge fan of the original series and crew, more so than what came afterwards. <p> <p> So for the life of me, I STILL fail to understand your utter blind hate for a fun movie, with some admitted plot holes, charismatic leads, a barely sketched bad-guy, and a wonderful spirit of adventure and optimism and positivity, based on your beloved original series which, week upon week, gave us a lot of fun, with some.... well.. forgive me if I repeat myself everyone, but.... some admitted plot holes, charismatic leads, a barely sketched bad-guy, and a wonderful spirit of adventure and optimism and positivity.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Norton was a good Banner

    by liljuniorbrown

    I'm in the camp of folks that like the reboot better. I'd never go out on a limb as to say it's flawless but it just seems like a better fit. I'm to much of a dumb ass to figure out what Lee was trying to do with his version. Also I agree about Superman, it's loooooong over due that Superman gets to kick some ass on the big screen.To bad Nolan and Favs are busy,they seem to be the only one's getting it right.I have bad gut feeling about Thor and Tim Story can suck a dick for killing FF.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Ferfucksake... Assiwipe!!!

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Yeah, you're right - shit year for blockbusters. Totally agree. But EVERY year has the biggies which turn out to be turd. <p> <p> Old fans and newbies liked Trek because, for once, there was a fucking good flick to be seen. The repeat business is got, the surprised reactions for people who giggled at Trek's very mention, were a pleasant surprise to me. <p> <p> In fact, more than anything else, Trek put me in mind of stuff like Back To The Future when I was a kid. People wary of a "sci-fi" flick being blown away and then going back for more. <p> <p> But then again, since you're a greater mind, a bigger cineaste, a more talented director and amazingly (unpublished / unproduced) writer, I guess you'd probably rip the fuck out of Back To The Future for its (frequent) flirtations with logic.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Totally on board about Superman. I mean, how hard can it be? GI Joe's doing okay (not seen it, not really familiar with the source material anyway), Iron Man is a runaway hit (and that's a second-tier superhero that no-one outside "us" knew about), the word flocked to X-Men and Spidey... what are they playing at with Superman? <p> <p> You get Routh back (you may disagree, I thought he was fine - shame they cut most of his dialogue); you get a decent Lois (Bosworth did most of the sinking of that flick, the girl on Smallville is ten times better)... You ditch Luthor and draft in another bad guy... <p> <p> Superman flies. Busts stuff up. Uses his superbreath, heat vision, x-ray vision, superstrength... I mean how hard is it? <p> <p> Superman could be the greatest action-adventure franchise going, and they continually screw the pooch. I'm no hater of Superman Returns, but it was a misfiring love letter to Donner's film, and certainly not a thrilling Superman film in its own right.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    well put tommy

    by mr. smith


  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Ang's HULK= Singer's SR

    by DoctorWho?

    Respect the source material people! I respect these two fine directors wanting to expand on the concepts a bit but were talking about HULK and SUPERMAN here. They are DEFINED already.<p> Norton's HULK was not challenging or profound but it was the HULK. I don't need altered origin stories to support Banner's daddy issues. Singer's SR tried to push the envelope too at the expense of the other aspects of the hero which everyone relates to. SUPES fights for truth, justice, the American way and HULK SMASH! It is what it is. <p> If I want something deeper I'll watch The Foundation but please don't start mixing apples and oranges.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Nice one Tommy

    by DoctorWho?

    But please don't encourage him on a Jihad against Back To The Future too.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    For HULK the 3rd reboot is the charm?

    by Koborover

    Seriously though, I really liked Ang Lee's Hulk. I never cared that much about the Hulk character but that 2003 movie really surprised me. It just worked for me, so I was pretty dissapointed when they retconned it.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Reading AsimovLives' posts, wondering...

    by anonymoose

    ...if he really expects us to take him seriously with all this "Dawson Trek" poppycock. I vote troll, therefore I suggest we all abide by rule 14.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I liked BOTH Hulks

    by nyj_et

    What now, bitches?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Star Trek '09 "Hate"

    by Coordinate_System

    Speaking for myself, if Trek '09 had been called something else ("Space Voyage", "Galaxy Quest", or even "Blatant Trek Ripoff #47"), I wouldn't care. But they called this film "Star Trek" and Star Trek is near and dear to me, and I want only the best for it and expect only the best from it. Frequently, it has not delivered. Like this time. Fortunately, there is more to life than movies, but its still irritating.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST



    AND GREEN HORNET WOULDN'T EVEN EMULATE BEVERLY HILLS COP III AND SHOWTIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    True Blood = Fail show

    by Ash0k

    Seriously, HBO airs nothing but trash now that "The Wire" is gone. As far as I am concerned, they are completely irrelevant until either Boardwalk Empire or Game of Thrones launches.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Hulk with Bana was fine


    Hulk with Norton wasn't any better, just the same. People just seemed to parade with the latter because of the crush they have on Edward Norton. Not a bad actor just doesn't deserve a free pass on everything he does since Primal Fear and Fight Club.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Moon, Hurt Locker, and dont forget 500 Days of Summer

    by Ash0k

    Best movies this year are Up, 500 Days of Summer, Hurt Locker, and Moon.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    I meant the Fountain wtf?

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Star Trek XI

    by anonymoose

    It was too exciting to be called "Star Trek". Now, if they had called it "Star Wars: The Best Parts" or "Crank: In Space", I would be fine with that. <p> I prefer my Star Trek to put me right to fucking sleep. Fill it up with hotel conference meetings, TNG style.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by mr. smith


  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    It is the MOST overrated movie I have ever seen. Damn, that sucked ass.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by anonymoose

    You are mean. I love that movie. *sniff* First Whedon... *sniff* Now this... Horrible. I'm going to go cry now.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed THE FOUNTAIN

    by bobjustbob

    but I can easily understand why it's not everyone's cup of tea.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Sorry no one was around in the Batman/oldman TB. Feel free to drop in anytime and get acquainted or discuss whatever is on your mind. Cheers!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    Has not been made yet. Note to future director of future Hulk movie: Having an all-CGI character looks like having an all CGI character until the technology can totally fool the eye. We all have seen great graphics in video games that seem to be as well as that in the HULK movies, and it looks...well...fakey. James Cameron did the mother Alien with a combo of effects (none of them CGI) and that creature looked and acted real. Through a combo of effects, I have to believe someone can make the HULK come to life. As of this date, he's still a green computer generated image and looks like a green computer generated image. When put up against real people, he looks fake. If the HULK movies had been all CGI, then he would have worked fine.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    anonymoose there there

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I feel the same way when people slam Star Trek.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Herc calls V shrugworthy after seeing only the pilot?

    by CerebralAssassin

    Shit, dude. The Buffy pilot was shrugworthy. Prove me wrong!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    I don't know which "pilot" Herc saw. They showed a Pilot at Comic Con, then I read (over at Sci-Fi Wire) that the pilot was being tweaked before being aired.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Harry Mudd means a mired Trek

    by luke_lymon

    I don't know why they want to go to a Narry Mudd. I am sad to hear they want to go in this direction. While Star Trek did well with humnor, it was the mild subtle humor that did best. I hate Harry Mudd. What next, Kathy Griffith becomes Bones' love interest? Hey, let's have some real fun and make the Burger King king-clown one of the characters. Doesn't that sound like fun kiddies? Damn, I hate this Mudd idea

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Asimov you like chronicles of riddick

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    but hate the new star trek with the fury of a thousand suns. I can't take you seriously especially if its true that you liked the prequels. Please try and explain this.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Star Trek XI

    by Coordinate_System

    I agree with Mr. Smith, Anonymoose, that was funny. But I would say that the best episodes of any of the series (well, maybe not Enterprise) were better than STXI. TOS: Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever, The Doomsday Machine; TNG: The Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise; DS9: In the Pale Moonlight; Voyager: Dark Frontier, all come to mind. But to continue with the Star Wars analogy, it felt more like The Phantom Menace, than A New Hope. I came out STXI, very much wanting to like it (much like I did with TPM), but I just can't make the leap. Not to say there aren't elements of coolness in both TPM and STXI, just not enough to balance out the crap. As an aside, I also liked Crank, on a visceral level, but neither Star Wars or Star Trek are really that kind of film.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    How can you hate Showtime?!

    by IForgotAbout19

    Nah, I'm just kidding, it sucked. Although, it was kind of cool when Bobby DeNiro put the gun in the slushy cup to get through the metal detector. Although the security guys would have to be real assholes not to notice it.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    And for those of you who say

    by IForgotAbout19

    That Liv Tyler isn't a good actress, or isn't good looking: Can we at least come to the compromise that she would make a FANTASTIC phone-sex operator? Not as good as Iggy Pop, of course, but still...

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by anonymoose

    Rule 14, man. <p> <p> <p> Awesome handle, by the way.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I think why people liked Star Trek

    by IForgotAbout19

    Is because it is a movie in which planets explode/implode. You don't see that too often on TV, not even on HBO, folks. And yes, the people in it are good-looking. (Not as good looking as Iggy Pop, but who could be.) Try naming me 4 movies that DON'T star good looking people, and you are not allowed to use Steve Buscemi.

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Sorry Steve

    by IForgotAbout19

    That was uncalled for, man. Bring on Trees Lounge 2: Trees Lounge In Space

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Dawson's Trek >>> Star Wars prequels??!!

    by Uroboros

    That's like saying...

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    by Uroboros

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Dawson's Trek >>> Star Wars prequels??!!

    by Uroboros

    isn't that like saying Kick in the left Nut >>>> Kick in the right nut??!! I rather that JJ Abrams and/or Lucas stay away from my nuts thank-you!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    GI Joe was just as good as Star Trek. But will I care in a year?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    No, because I'm gonna be watching Game of Thrones... and maybe some Cool Crazy Dwarven warfare in The Hobbit with surreal Del Toro weirdness.<p>Or maybe a GI Joe sequel that takes place in a Jungle, in the Mountains, on Cobra Island, and on the Moon... or in the jungle mountains of Cobra Island on the Moon! Ha! I beat them to it!

  • Aug. 9, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Pretty Faces

    by Coordinate_System

    IForgotAbout19 has a point, I don't recall any movies (successful ones at least) with average to ugly-looking stars. But there should be some substance fortifying all that style. As for planets being destroyed, I don't mind a little planetary mayhem, but Vulcan just wouldn't make an impressive black hole (less than an inch in diameter, assuming it's mass is comparable to earth's, which is likely, and provided I did my calculation correctly). Of course, blowing up a planet is also difficult and would require a lot of energy (2 weeks worth of the Sun's output, if memory serves).

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    if they are going to reboot classic trek characters

    by mr. smith

    i would prefer they were more like easter eggs rather than plot drivers.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    If Joss Whedon had done V this site would have

    by lockesbrokenleg

    had about 10 interviews with Joss about the show, and the net losers would be on every site saying V is the bestest ever.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST


    by TheManWhoCan

    Star Trek: Good movie, however the plot was a bit sloppy, I mean the whole Nero disappearing for a few decades was a bit confusing, and I know about the Klingon prison plot thing that was cut, why? I suspect maybe they are saving them for sequel and didn’t want to settle on what the klingons ‘look like’ in this new universe. That’s the ONLY explanation I can think of, however, if the klingons show up in the next movie looking like they did in The Motion Picture onward I’m completely lost. Does any one have any other theories as to why the klingons were cut?

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Guys we are talking about the same

    by ominus

    guys who wrote XENA,HERCULES AND TRANSOFERMS 1,2. <p>dont u fuckin get it? the good movies which had scifi,action,drama,philoshopical/social/political etc content,have died.their era is gone. <p>the modern audience dont want to have fun AND think.they just want to have fun,nothing more,nothing less. <p>and Boborci,abrams,bay,etc are the best in this field,of the mindless,simple,humorous funny movies.their boxoffice hits shows that clearly. <p>And thats why Paramount gave the reboot of the franchise to these clowns.they know that the audience dont want deep thought-provoking movies with action.they know that star trek is doomed if it stays in the roots of Rodenberrys vision.thats why they decided for the rebooted franchise to take this route,the route of a fun,action packed,with iconic charactesr ala Star Wars movie franchise. <p>thats why u will never see movies with the quality of the TOS,TNG,DSP episodes.thats not gonna happen.the general audience doesn want such movies.they want harry mudd to laugh at,the occasional cool bad guy to shout at,and the new starlet that kirk is going to fuck to cheer at. <p>Star Trek is XENA and Hercules again.just like they took that epic mythological tale of Herakles which had its deeper meanings,tragedies and human stories to tell about,and transformed it into a silly,funny PRODUCT,easily consumed by the general audience,exactly the same thing is happening with STAR TREK and all the rest of teh classic movies/franchises. <p>as someone said in another forum:People dont want to watch a spiritual battle between Picard and Q.People want a phaser battle between federation and enemy starships.nothing else.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Here thats what i am talkin about::

    by ominus

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Shatner should play Mudd

    by Kikstad

    If they don't offer him a cameo as Kirk Prime, I think they should cast William Shatner as Harry Mudd. Greg Grunberg is great, but I think the Shat would be perfect.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Mudd = Fembots and Androids

    by Kikstad

    Harry Mudd would be a good antagonist for the next Trek film because then you could have a cool adventure featuring androids and fembots. Khan would be a challenge because nobody could top Ricardo Montalban -- unless they cast Antonio Banderas.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I thought Nero was Khan...

    by ominus

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Hulk vs Incredble Hulk: Betty Ross casting

    by Cellar Door

    Since we're all weighing in...I tend to agree with the bit o hate on Liv Tyler. She's responsible for the one overt weak moment in Fellowship ("No Frodo! Don't give in!") but that might be a bit o PJ's fault for not just doing something else or reshooting, etc. But I think it was poor casting to put her in TiH.<p>No question that Jennifer Connoly is about a trillion times more beautiful and talented than Tyler. I never condemn opinion, no accounting for taste and all that, but if you actually think Liv Tyler is more attractive and better casting for Betty Ross than Jennifer Connoly, then you are fucking retarded.<p>Liv Tyler has never in her life looked as good as that single scene in Lee's Hulk, of Bana taking a photo of Connoly leaning on the tree near the cabin where lime-green Hulk eventually fights the hulk-poodle (Hulk dogs are fine but a god damn poodle? seriously? not even a border collie? a poodle?!).<p>Tyler just looks a mess now and kinda gawky? There's some dream-like scenes in Fellowship where she does look beautiful but nothing compares to how crazy beautiful Jennifer Connoly is...<p>But get guys with the Orci thing...Xena writers, etc. Did you guys know that PJ supposedly cast Lucy Lawless as Arwen? In fact, if you look at some of the first choices PJ had for Lord of the Rings...holy close we came to having an utterly clusterfucked and shittily cast Rings movie...Sean Connery as Gandalf?!!?!?! WTF?!!

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I disagree

    by ominus

    one of the best scenes in Incredible,was when norton was trying to make love with her.and he lift up her dress,and her sexy legs are shown.damn. <p>both are very beautiful,with connoly the better actress.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    As far as Lawless and Connery

    by ominus

    Lawless is born to play amazon characters like xena,but as an elf warrior,yeah that role doesnt suit her. <p>But Connery as gandalf would have been great.Why? well u have to watch this to see why: <p>

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    HERC doesn't deny that he wears panties, only that

    by Stabby

    he didn't wet them.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    "people want to have fun, not think"

    by IForgotAbout19

    I'm sorry, but that seems like a very easy excuse to me. I love challenging filmmaking, or any kind of challenging art, but that is far from the most important element to any movie, no matter what genre-fanbase it is trying to placate. If Star Trek had been the kind of film that raises questions about the nature of the universe, I would have liked it a lot more, but as it is, it is a movie in which gorgeous space-sequences were rendered against charismatic actors, slightly wooden in their first attempts, and inferior to their no-longer-available predecessors, but still charismatic.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    my vote for star trek guest character rebooting is

    by mr. smith

    the Horta. I want my shambling mound hiking it's ass to some redshirt and spraying him full on to the face. They could do some crazy effects to that concept nowadays.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    The Foundain made me cry

    by mitortilla

    so shut up.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Tyler beautiful....yeah, 10 years ago...

    by Cellar Door

    I know it's shallow but I just didn't get the attraction in TiH. I know she doesn't inject but those lips look comical at this point. Plus she seems...big? Gangly big and akward looking? Hard to explain. Not fat obviously but just...misshapen? Nah, too strong a word. Arms too long, legs too long or something, too unfeminine without being masculine, etc..i dunno. I think she's a passable actor and does a great job in TiH but she's nothing in the looks department next to Connoly.<p>But then I'm a dead sucker for a blue-eyes brunette so perhaps I'm biased!<p>If you want to see unmitigated Liv Tyler hotness, you have to go back to 'Empire Records' but it's worth the trip, you will also see Renee Zellwegger when she was crazy-super hot as well (to me, neither of them have looked remotely as compelling as they did in that movie). Connoly, even with the bad haircut in 'Little Children' still crazy beautiful...<p>And for the last time, holy shit but you can actually legally like, appreciate, or even love both Hulk movies! Damn! It's like politics with this're either with us or you suck donkey dick with THEM! You can hate em both too if you like!<p>Personally and briefly, I felt Hulk had the better nuance and context than TiH but I felt TiH had better pacing and action that Hulk. TiH had a better antagonist but even for a really GREEN Hulk, TiH had a better designed Hulk but far worse CGI (that end fight is great but looks cartoonish, etc). To me, Hulk's likely worst spot: Hulk poodle; TiH's likely worst spot: No Hulk leaping/bounding (small critique) and Hulk talking (yeah I know he does in the comic but it doesn't work as well as *not* talking on screen would...just like Yoda working better as a wizard jedi sans lightsaber instead of sonic the hedgehog jedi, etc...just because you *can* doesnt mean you *should*, etc)<p>I own both movies and enjoy both movies. I look forward to a sequel and/or to Avengers! As long as we keep capable directors and actors and Marvel production...we could be in for quite a few years of kick ass cinema!

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The Leno show is going to blow ,

    by Rectal Blowout

    it just is. The only thing he was good at was some early stand up and "What's your beef" on Letterman in the 80s.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Hulk vs Mudd

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    They're not going to get to another Hulk movie. Roth was clearly responding to an audience question. The reboot was great but with Norton's obvious dislike for it forcing the prospect of a third Banner in three films there's no way they're going to do it again. If they were we'd be hearing about that alongside the Iron Man sequel news and in place of talk about Cap or a fourth Spidey flick. And it's really too bad because Incredible Hulk was what a Hulk movie SHOULD have been (though it could have used an origin sequence just to make it a true reboot) and Tim Blake Nelson is perfect as the Leader. As for the next Trek film...HUGE mistake to revisit Khan. They rebooted this series to fix what was wrong with the old movie franchise and Trek II was never wrong. Don't revisit that, give us something new...give us Tholians or Kzinti, or anything new. If you want to re-introduce old characters then use Carol Marcus or ones that weren't thoroughly explored. Please, god, no Harry Mudd regardless of who plays him.

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    paul giamatti as harry mudd.

    by gotilk

    sean hannity as ANYONE's wife.(bitch could use a good fissure)