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McG Discusses TERMINATOR 5 and 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA!!
Merrick here...
IESB sat down with McG, who chatted about the status of his various projects - including 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA (aka CAPTAIN NEMO) and the next TERMINATOR installment.
His comments seem to reinforce previous suggestions that John Connor's Future War would spill into our time in T5.
Says McG:
McG: Yeah. I'm prepping 20,000 Leagues, every day, but I'm concurrently prepping Terminator 5, another Terminator picture.
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IESB: Do you want to take time off between Terminator films?
McG: It's interesting. Obviously, Michael Bay had tremendous success following Transformers, in a very short window. Sometimes people like to take time off, but I'm excited about the next installation of the story, in the Terminator idea.
So, for me, it's terribly exciting to get back out there and show a different face of that idea, and perhaps get out of the apocalyptic world and into a contemporary world. I think the audience is going to be very excited about our way in.
When asked about the dense flak clouds of criticism regularly hurled towards him by the Geek Sector, McG responded:
It's interesting because a lot of people don't like me, but a lot of people just don't like my name. I can't take that too seriously because that's been my name my whole life. It's not something that I prescribed myself. So, I just gotta roll forward and, hopefully, have the films do the talking.
All of this, and more, can be found over at IESB (HERE).
Mr....G?...also touched on what we can expect from his 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA project.
McG: It's a bit of a departure from the Richard Fleischer movie, and much more in keeping with the spirit of the novel, as far as what Aronnax is up to and the becoming of Captain Nemo, and how the man became at war with war itself. So, there's a little bit more meat on the bone, in regard to the genesis of the Nemo character, than you're given in the ‘50's movie that Disney made. Also, it's a little more contemporary.
McG indicates that his Nemo film will have "a great deal of action", and offered his perception of LEAGUES author Jules Verne:
I grew up on his body of work, and the imagination to come out of the mid-19th century is extraordinary. I'm active in the Jules Verne society, and I am very passionate about protecting his legacy.
More details on this project can be found at a seperate IESB posting HERE.
Wonder when McG joined that Jules Verne society?
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IESB: Do you want to take time off between Terminator films?
McG: It's interesting. Obviously, Michael Bay had tremendous success following Transformers, in a very short window. Sometimes people like to take time off, but I'm excited about the next installation of the story, in the Terminator idea.
So, for me, it's terribly exciting to get back out there and show a different face of that idea, and perhaps get out of the apocalyptic world and into a contemporary world. I think the audience is going to be very excited about our way in.
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just like you wanted to protect Cameron's legacy, right McG?
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Probably going to be disappointing
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...will he be casting an asian actor in the lead role of Nemo? Somehow, I think not!
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It wasn't bad because his name is McG. It was bad because it was completely lackluster, with the exception of a few decent action sequences. I honestly could fuck about his name.
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And I could give a fuck about it too.
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Other than why my entree at TJ Applebee's is taking so long to prepare, and whether I will be comped for this outrage.
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Why not Harlin or Suck Anderson or Ratner or Anthony Hickox for this? It's the same fucking guy!! Well, if studios know how to do one thing, it certainly is to hire the guy with the least amount of vision to the project in the most need of genius. Why can't Terry Gilliam get this assignment?!?
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How do you know?
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Not excited at all. You dropped the ball with T4, sir - and bringing future Connor AND Future Skynet into our time? Ridiculous. Give us the proper future war we've been looking for since the early 90s and do it right, or don't do it at all.
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Aug 07, 2009 11:34:05 AM CDT
Bleh, Terminator Salvation was a huge disappointment.
by iamnicksaicnsn
I can't believe Bale made such a huge fuss about the on set thing. I'd be pissed off all the time too if I were in that lack-luster, plodding flick
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Please! I'm beggin' you!
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How do you not see that bringing the future war into today's time is a totally moronic and repetitive idea? You dumb fuck. You've got no sense of what makes a good story.
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I wasn't expecting much after the bad reviews, but I enjoyed the movie. Reviews are subjective.
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Does McG's wife and family still loves him? If so, there is no God.
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Non?
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It's really not your name. It's your lack of ability.
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Fuck me. Get over yourself McG. We fucking hated Terminator because you screwed the pooch. You told a shitty story. Get over it. Next time do a better job with the story. Don't give SkyNet Downs Syndrome, don't put little kids in pointless mime roles, and don't ruin good ideas like a robot that thinks its human, only it's... really a human and you learn about it in the first 50 seconds!
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Why no user-submitted reviews of A Perfect Getaway? I sent you a review Tuesday night and again this morning. You guys will post 38 reviews of Trek, Transformers, and Watchmen, but can't be bothered to post a normal reader's (read: not an AICN editor's) review of a thriller that opens the same weekend as GI JOE? What gives?
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"It's interesting because a lot of people don't like me, but a lot of people just don't like my name." ... Actually McG, we just don't like your movies. The only thing that saved Terminator Salvation was the performances from Bale and Worthington. The story was absolutely shit, the action: passable. Why do they give great franchises to below-par directors? They did it with AVP, and now they've done it with Terminator. Morons!
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Spot on. I don't want to see "contemporary" Terminator. I've already seen it!
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I hope they punched him square in the face, for his bullshit Terminator movie.
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He's a light-weight. Its all bland puff-piece platitudes. He has absolutely no vision. He's talking about Jules Verne now? What the fuck does he know about Verne? He's probably never picked up a book in his life. This clown showed NO understanding of Cameron's Terminator movie whatsoever, despite all his hot air to the contrary. T-Salvation was utter shit, and it's telling that it's only glimmer of excitement was when 1984 Arnie made his appearance - living off past glories indeed. McG is all vacuous talk - and is he still going on about people hating him for his name? No, it's because you're an appalling director, fuckface. Not to mention, if he's so hung up on his silly name can't he call himself by his real one? What the fuck has his friends and family calling him a nickname in real life got to do with the fact that he can't slap his birth name on his films? What a tard. Go and direct more Charlie's Angels movies, teen TV shows, and punk pop music videos, you frat-boy tit.
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... so that way when I fuck up something really bad and people start slating me i can blame it on them not liking my name instead. What a prick.
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That's not the point. He sucks. That's the point.
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it's the fucking shitty movie you put out! FUCK YOU!!!
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get it wrong. T4 was one of the best of the franchise. I can't wait to see more of the world McG expanded on. And it wiped the awful taste of the 'Cronicles out of my mouth.
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Aug 07, 2009 11:53:47 AM CDT
Mc G: "So, I just gotta roll forward and, hopefully, have the fi
by jimmy rabbitte
Oh, yours films are speaking loud and clear Mc Suck; and all they are saying is, "Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit..."
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Joseph McGinty Nichol is your name as far as I know. There is no reason that you HAD to opt for a one-word nickname moniker for your professional career. That was a choice, and a lame, short-sighted one at that. T4 sucked my grandfather's putrid taint.
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im confused...
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Aug 07, 2009 11:56:10 AM CDT
American needs to join the International Criminal Court
by evilevolutionist
I've never commented on AICN before but after reading McG's comment I just had to say something.
This guy is such a travesty to the Terminator franchise. Never mind Iraq. The United States needs to join the International Criminal Court just so we can put McG on trial for crimes against humanity.
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Or banish him to making CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies the rest of his career. No more interfering with grown-up properties.
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Rather than T5. But, if they're going ahead with T5, Blompkamp should direct.
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Bryan Singer's next Superman installment, Gigli 2, Death Proof 2: Proofier, Watchmen Origins: Silk Spectre
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He's "concurrently prepping Terminator 5, another Terminator picture"? Who else was wondering if he was talking about (butchering) another Terminator picture? We'da never guessed if he hadn't clarified. PLEASE SOMEONE HAVE MERCY ON THE TERMINATOR SERIES FANS AND GET THIS TURD ON THE NEXT SCOOBY DOO MOVIE! He and FP Jr. really do deserve each other.
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Hopefully there will be another Bale rant to go along with the Terminator pic. That's the only bright spot I see in this situation.
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Aug 07, 2009 11:59:08 AM CDT
"and perhaps get out of the apocalyptic world and into a contemp
by jkrow21
This guy honestly has no idea what the fan community wants from a Terminator film. We have literally waited over a decade to get a hardcore action film set in the APOCALYPTIC world from the previous films just to have a terrible TERRIBLE wimpy depiction of it that resembled a Sci-Fi TV movie. PLEASE stop this guy from ruining this franchise anymore than he already did. Is it true they're going to send back an entire army into the past? YEAH great idea, more time travel you idiot....
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Thanks, buddy. That was the best laugh I've had all week.
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and fight tons of robots
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Aug 07, 2009 12:00:28 PM CDT
Don't give him a camera! Don't even a cell phone camera!
by chuck_chuckwalla
Fucking amateur.
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The fucking guy has completely re-interpreted dislike of his film as dislike of him personally...in point of fact..people hated T4 cause of his dumbass name? That's what he thinks? If he had made an Oscar worthy Term film he'd still have a dumbass name but at least we'd be psyched about his future work.He seems to have zero insight into anything except what he thinks is "bitchin". As in: "You know what would be kick ass? Terminators made out to be animals! No one's done that before! We could make a Terminator dog and he could shoot force bolts from his eyes and also shapeshift like the T-1000!!! Why didn't I think of that before!?!! Make it so!" whereas a normal person would say, "Uhh..a terminator dog? Are you fucking mental?". This guy is next in line to Bay in the Stephen Sommers school of ZERO directorial self restraint.Truer words were never spoken: "McG is a jock douchebag crashing our geek party."I forget the TB'er who said that but it's absurdly appropriate.For what will be another time in the millions to come: bringing the future war to contemporary times completly negates the first 2 movies and the craptastical "sequels"...just like Anderson did when he brought Aliens to modern (and even ancient) Earth.How can these guys collecting huge paychecks be so obtuse or simply have their heads irretrievably shoved up their own asses? How can they not even take 2 seconds to understand the hate? Not conflate it to "wah! they don't like me so they hated my movie!" just like all the wang-hammers that came on here and said the same insipid shit.And I ragged hard on this guy's name but always, always gave him the benefit of the doubt that he could pull T4 off, and maybe he did...full disclosure: i still can't say if he did as I've had no desire to pay to see it (not knocking it until I see it...but his idea for T5? sight unseen and it's obviously a fucking huge pile of pelican shit for an idea)...ugh...And before you defend this guy...remember that he's making these films in place of someone else. That someone could be worse...or he/she could be better...I guess it depends on where you see McG in the talent scale. My take is he's not director material but maybe second-set action direction...seriously, he's like Michael Bay on caffeine instead of coke.That said, after seeing "We are Marshall" I think he's *capable* of making decent work but his head is fully up his ass if he thinks the reason many didn't like T4 was because of him or his name. Or if he thinks that the "wanted" Terminator story is the future war in our time today.He's like any fool who thinks you disagree due to hyperbole-based, usually personal reasons instead of the content of his argument.
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Nemo is supposed to be an Indian prince. Casting a white because an Indian wouldn't sell as many tickets, even if was out of greed, would still be enabling and accomodating for the racial prejudice in society.
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really sad, too, I love 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (book and Disney movie). What an epic clusterfuck this will be. Well, at least it's work for the behind-the-scenes people. It's a paycheck.
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Glad hes dedicated to a faithful version of Vernes novel. Just no 40 story submarine navigating the canals of Venice ala 'League of Extrodinary Gentlemen'-the single most horrible take on Nemo and crew ever filmed.
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well i do about his fucking name, but the t4 movie was infinitely better than t3. infact i'd say it was actually ok. certainly it didn't deserve the vitriol that harry spewed over it.
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Real talent vs. hack
kneel before the awesomeness that is District 9 McG!, yes you may cry
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Gonna post it shortly; running behind.
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McG > Bay in terms of action on screen and being able to discern what the hell is going on.
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Aug 07, 2009 12:08:56 PM CDT
McG, just curious, does the studio know of your prepping?
by matthooper8
There is no way they give you a dime for a sequel. You r movie lost money at the box office. $341 million worldwide. The studio gets half. the budget was $200 million plus at least $50 million on promotion. You do the math.
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It just made no sense. Let's kidnap Kyle Reese so John Connor will have to come save him, since he knows that if we kill Reese, he will cease to exist! Because just killing Reese is beyond the grasp of a superintelligent machine.
Additionally, if at this point in the future, which is before Arnold gets sent back in the first installment, Skynet is able to develop a prototype that is so efficient it can convince humans that it is a human while still getting the job done, why didn't they send one of those models to kill John Connor rather than the ultra-robotish Arnold of the first movie. God I hate McG! -
and then goes and smears his shit all over it by doing a contemporary version? By fleshing out and milking a lame "backstory" so they can do the meat of the story in a sequel?
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T4 fuckin ruled. I enjoyed that far more than Ernest Goes To Camp.
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want to see a Terminator film from McG after that last shitpile?
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And he's the worst kind of suck...the kind that's blissfully ignorant of how much he sucks. Like Roland Emmerich and Michael Bay. At they don't have retarded names too.
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One of the biggest cinematic trainwrecks in history, you can use it as a textbook example of how NOT to make a movie.
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The robots had to know that Reese was Connor's father. Why else would he be first on the list. These things are Terminators. The minute he was identified the Terminator would have by it's programming killed him. Why would Skynet need to go through the trouble of luring Connor to Reese. Just one of a thousand shit stains in this movie.
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This movie lost money. Why would the studio give this hack more money to lose?
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Isn't T4 60 million in the red? How is McG still attached to the franchise?
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...and his idea for T5 is just insanely stupid. Still, I think that the bigger problem with T3 and T4 was the writers. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that McG didn't come up with the story for T4, and he didn't write the script. Start with a shit story, get shit results. Of course, McG didn't really do anything to help matters...
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It might still lose money. The studio is in the business of making money not losing or breaking even. The franchise has the stigma of failure both as a movie and as a box office venture.
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Not outstanding, but enough to warrant a sequel.
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It made $341 million worldwide. The studio gets half. the budget was $200 million plus at least $50 million on promotion. You do the math.
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Aug 07, 2009 12:31:08 PM CDT
Audience opinion, was flat out dislike for Superman returns
by barnaby jones
whereas, T4 seems to decidedly more mixed, also given that it did well (at the box office) everywhere except the US means its a viable franchise for WB. Although i'd expect it's budget to be slashed, should it get the greenlight.
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The fact that he thought that absolutely awful script would make a good terminator movie says volumes. That thing should've been rewritten from scratch. And yet not only did he think it was a good script, he passionatly sold the studio and bale on it. He's absolutely to blame here.
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and let them watch their money get drowned down the toilet. It's the only way they'll learn. Make shitty movies, lose your investment.
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Superman Returns made more and adjusted for inflation it did much better. Although I hated it, I think the average jerkwad liked Superman Returns a lot more than T-4.
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That's a great idea. Andrews has a fantastic accent and I can see him playing Nemo. Still...if people think he's too young perhaps Art Malik?
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that if he'd had a better script to work with, the movie could have been okay. Sure, he's obviously clueless as to whether or not a script is any good, but I don't think anyone could have made a good movie out of it. Don't forget that McG had nothing to do with Terminator 3, and that was even worse than Terminator 4.
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Every fucking interview he says something that either compares himself to Micheal Bay or puts him in competition with BayIs it professional rivalry or a flaming man crush...you be the judge
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His TERMINATOR 5 (never mind that Part IV tanked) will probably be compromised from an unsold Abbott and Costello script. He wouldn't give a shit. "A lot of people just don't like my name. I can't take that too seriously because that's been my name my whole life." Never mind that the interviewer was addressing McG's "movies", not his name. What an asshole!
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It is amazing that he can blame his failure on his name. He's actually rationalizing his critical and box office failure on his name. He's either a huge douchebag or a sad little man...or both.
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PREPARE FOR TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!
TERMINATOR SALVATION is the film that gifted the world "THE BALEBACK".
The earth is shaking. The giger counter is twitching. Shane Hurlbut is quaking. T5 is coming.
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I almost feel bad for the guy. T4 was decent - not great, but not the pile of dung that Harry said it was. Harry - love ya, but your reviews are getting questionable. T4 sucked yet GiJoe rocked it for you? WTF, man?
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...they have Bryan Singer and McG "prepping" their respective sequels?
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TERMINATOR SALVATION EXTENDED EDITION released on Blu Ray this November. Link below:
http://dvdworldusa.com/shopexd.asp?id=64878
Now rated R and with 40 mins additional footage including a new ending.
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Yes, yes and yes.
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McG did make Charlie's Angels 2, which is hands down the worst movie in at least a decade. Oh, and by the way, asshole, your name has nothing to do with it. That's like saying Departed won the Oscar because Martin Scorsese has a pretty name. Moron.
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Is this some kind of a joke? All I hear is complaints about how the studios are only interested in making money and they're not interested in making "good" films (unless they happen to make money) and here we have a director that not only makes shitty films, but he loses MILLIONS of dollars for the studios.
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Aug 07, 2009 12:58:19 PM CDT
I generally consider Warner Bros to be the smartest studio out t
by ackack
at least currently. But this...come on! Nobody's perfect.
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Aug 07, 2009 1:06:12 PM CDT
POST-APOCALYPTIC BALE IN THE CONTEMPORARY WORLD?!?!?!
by bringingsexyback
Sayonara contemporary world, it's been good knowin ya!
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So he can blow shit up real good to hide the absence of an interesting story. The reason the studios keep giving franchises like Terminator and Alien to hacks is simple. They think of them as the same as Transformers and all the other brainless summer blockbusters, they think they are giving us what we want. Idiots.
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I don't have a lot of interest in seeing "20,000 Leagues - the Music Video" version. McG needs to improve his craft A LOT, given the last Terminator movie.
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Of course it wasn't as good as first 2, but c'mon. I was entertained through the whole damn thing. It killed the 3rd one.
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God, judt reading his assanine answers gets me pissed.He tricked me before terminstor 4 came out.Now, with his answer above-he seems to NOT even by trying anymore.
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Why else wasn't I lured into seeing it? I saw T3 in the theaters, and was somewhat entertained... but that was then, before the Sarah Connor Chronicles, which despite it's flaws was more interesting than T3 or what T4's trailers promised. T4 looked like shit from the get go; no bait to get me even in the seat.
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Saying that some bad reviews are because people don't like - the rest are because they don't like his name is pretty screwed up!He said the films speak for themselves and - yeah - most people were disappointed, critics hating it.I don't wanna insult someone i never met, but what planet is he on. He sounds like he's in McG bubble, refusing to let 'negativity' in. That can only spell a piss-poor T5.
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i understand why he says these things, but fucking pandering is obvious. people dont like your movies, and then when you answer questions with a subconscience contempt for your audience, it shines through. even in text mcdouche
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DANNY_GLOVERS_DICKBLOOD review of TS on AIBN > Harry's review of TS on AICN.
Read the thoughts of Mr. Dickblood below...
"Wow. Terminator Salvation proves once and for all that the opinion of critics is worth jack shit. We live in a world where that jerk off holy scripture for ugly underfucked bitches called Twilight is still being hailed, Indy IV has almost gotten to the level of ‘Its not so bad,’ and Star Trek receives rave reviews. All is not right in the world of cinema! So this guy McG lands this enormous task of continuing a beloved franchise and the throngs of internet chimps give him the finger before seeing a single frame. First of all-- grow the fuck up you little twats. I’ve heard people bitch and whine for hours about McG, basing most of their complaints on the fact that they don’t like him or his name, or that he comes off like too much of a salesman. Really? You don’t like his fucking name? That’s why you’re gonna lay down your hard earned cash and sit your fat ass down in a theater already knowing damn well you’re gonna hate the film you are about to see? For this blasphemous act, I say FUCK YOU. The guy worked his ass off trying to sell this film, sure. He had to. He’s not stupid. He understands the mob mentality of bearded douche bags that spend half their day squeezing their nuts to the trailer for Tarantino’s latest shitfest. He’s not James Cameron, so nothing he did or said would ever be right in their eyes. Well let me tell you something......those images of the future war you saw in the Cameron films-- they just got fucked by an ungreased fist belonging to McFuckingG."
"Terminator Salvation is a damn fine film. Make no mistake about it, it doesn’t set out to shake the pillars of cinema. It sets out to knock you on your fucking ass and remind you why you love blockbusters, and it succeeds with ease. I fucking adored this film. And I am genuinely shocked anyone born with a dick and a human heart can honestly tell me they didn’t. I’m trying to think of the weaknesses. There honestly aren’t many. I went in thinking I was going to despise Anton Yelchin in the role of Kyle Reese. Not because Reese is a character so near and dear to my heart-- I can honestly give a fuck who played him. But Anton annoys the piss out of me. I wanted to fucking strangle him in Star Trek. The structure of his face is sort of similar to Eli Roth’s in that it looks ripe and ready to receive a barrage of punishment from a crow bar. But Anton came ready to fucking act. I think he was the best kept secret of this film. For me he was the emotional core. You really grow to like and care about him by the end, and his relationship with the little girl was extremely well played. Christian Bale.....fuck, what more needs to be said? All jokes aside, the man is a fucking icon. I absolutely believe him in this role. I think he fits John Connor much better than he fits Bruce Wayne. I believe he could lead a resistance and people would follow. And if they didn’t, he would personally kick their fucking asses. His growly voice gets a little funny at times....but its enjoyably funny, and it reminds you why you liked this guy in the first place. He never stops working. He is giving 100% on every frame of the film. Some say he’s overacting. No....he’s doing his fucking job. He’s doing exactly what the situation calls for..." -
I thought Salvation was WAY better than T3, but yeah, it could have been better. In no way did I think it was as bad as it was reviewed. Transformers 2 was WAY worse.That said, I hope that McGuinty learns some lessons from T4 and makes T5 much better. As for Captain Nemo, I agree whole-heartedly that Naveen Andrews should be cast. That is the most inspired casting ever IMHO. Thanks, *ahem* Boner...Naveen Andrews has the acting chops, the gravitas and the right look. If he is overlooked for the part I think it would be a grave misstep. I loved LEG (or LXG) the GN, but was highly disappointed with the movie. I just hope that McGuinty's version of 20,000 Leagues far exceeds LXG.
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I don't like the movies he's made. His only talent is being able to convince people that he should be making movies. HE HAS NEVER DELIVERED A GOOD MOVIE.
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Aug 07, 2009 1:49:54 PM CDT
OH McG we don't hate because of your silly name, its because you
by ilovemichealbay
Go away McG, leave terminator franchise alone. You sounded like a nice guy before salavtion was realeased, saying that you were gonna correct the errors of T3, but you lied to the fans and made a pile of shit. Elfman's score was out of place, badly edited (perhaps for PG13 crowd money which you didn't get), totally missed cast Worthington was bland, Carter was useless, Bale talent was wasted, action scenes badly directed, altough Arnold apperance was fun, it was the only thing decent about Salvation. Harry's review was spot on. McG with all due respect, you might be a nice guy but your not a good director, let someone else have a go. You destroyed one of the greatest sci fi movies ever made. Just go away. BTW i had no problem with your silly name, after seeing salvation i just think your talent less dick head director.
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Aug 07, 2009 1:50:35 PM CDT
I said the thing about the douchebag crashing the geek party
by drturing
And I believe mcg is a patholgical liar. Nor big ones just ones small enough he thinks are innocent. But it's simple enough. Anyone who has a soul patch who partied with sugar Ray is not a true geek.
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When the bar is set so low, as it was with T3, then saying Salvation was way better than T3 isn't saying much at all.
A shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich. Just because there's less shit on Salvation's bread doesn't mean it still didn't taste like shit.
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The action was slick, had a great look, design, sfx and some outstanding sound design in there. Infinitely better than T3 and at least we got a future war, albeit somewhat scattered and marred by a poorly conceived plot. If McG has any sense he'd get the likes of Steve Nolan on board to script T5, lock in a hermetic plot line and flesh out the cypher-like chracterization that marred T4. Technically though I thought T4 was up there with T2.
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...let alone Jules Verne novels, I'll eat my hat. He doesn't strike me as much of a reader.
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They need to bring Connor to our present time so that he can hook up with Kyle's mom Linda Reese.
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by saying no one likes my name. No one would care about your name if you were a better director, eg, Hitchcock.
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Everyone keeps repeating that T4 is better, and I don't understand those people at all. T3 had too much goofy shit, but it also had an incredible car-chase, and a very solid last half-hour.Most importantly it didn't betray the characters from the previous movies, and the ending fixed the big time-plot-hole from the end of T2 (by virtue of the terminators coming back the war must happen at some point). It also at least had some character development, good pacing, wasn't edited to hell and back. To make things worse, practically everyone involved with T4 were trash-talking T3 all the way up until release, when they made a way worse movie.
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it's about the fact that time and time again you've disappointed us with your shitty movies. I tried to give you a last chance with Terminator but you've failed. Goodbye, you've officially landed in Bay/Emmerich hack territory. You talk the talk and act like you know what you're doing but you don't.
And also, I love how many directors now constantly say their adaptation is "much more faithful to the novel" yet whenever they say that they're remake is inevitably worse than the original which strayed. Newsflash directors - NOVELS ARENT SCREENPLAYS! The original strayed so much in the first place to make it fun and memorable for the screen, not the page. So dont give me this "we're more faithful" garbage when giving interviews, that in no way guarantees any quality in your finished film whatsoever. -
the story was terrible. the only redeeming qualities were Bale, Worthington, Yelchin, and the brief appearance of '84 Arnie at the end. but the whole movie felt slapped together due to the fact that the script was going through running changes. it felt like they never really settled on a single solid script before going into production and made rewrites as they went along. the plot holes were so massive that a Hunter-Killer could fly through them. and no, i don't really care about his name, i care about his track record as a filmmaker. T4 is proof positive that he's not up to task for this franchise.
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is the mediocre "action" and pedestrian staging of scenes..it was a horrible concept to begin with..i dont really blame McG entirely but he is the director who tried to sell us a film that could never live up to the first two, as well as the third...for a film about terminators and future fucking war....THERE NEEDS TO BE TERMINATORS AND FUTURE FUCKING WAR!!!! the only positive thing i can say about this film is that anton yelchin did good as a young reese, he got alll his mannerisms down pat. I DONT AGREE WITH DGDB'S REVIEW AT ALL...HIS BLIND OBEDIENCE TO LORD BALE DOES NOT SERVE HIM WELL.
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Having read a bunch of interviews and seen McG speak on a few occasions, I've come to believe that McG really does mean it when he says he has great reverence and affection for science fiction and franchises like Terminator. I think he really does want to make good movies. It's just that he has no talent and thus can't really avoid fucking things up. I don't think he's willfully bad, I don't think he's even apathetic about being bad, like Bay is. I think he wants to be good. He's just incompetent, to the point where he can't see the ways in which he's incompetent.
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People blast T4 for being too serious, but I'll take it over dumbass comedy BS that was T3. And the chick Terminator in T3 sounded good on paper, but just didn't really work.
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He did some work in T4 that impressed me... The pilot point of view of the helicopter crash... The high-speed chases, the gritty realism... Bay makes live-action cartoons with actors he requires go in tanning beds before shooting. TF2 was a perfect shitstorm for Bay.
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sigh
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'Cos the longer the awful Terminator Salvation played before my eyes, the more I looked back at T3 as something from a Golden Age of Cinema...
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He ranks down there with Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers. I'm done with these hacks!
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...is the only Nemo you'll ever need.
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Extended version on DVD rated R with new ending? Yes, definitely curious.
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...attempt to TERMINATE people in this fifth movie? Or will they just toss them around the room and come up with unnecessarily complex machinations that ensure their own destruction? Count me out. Salvation is an abomination. And Terminator 3 - not that great a movie but passable by virtue of several excellent scenes - kicks its ass. (Number of excellent scenes in Salvation: zero.)
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Seriously... McG = Living proof abortion should be legal.
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.. now that they've taken the franchise into the future war with Skynet, I don't see the point in going back to the old send-some-terminators/humans-back-in-time plot formula that the first three films and the Sarah Conner Chronicles used up. Makes no sense anymore since they won't ever top the first two. The future war is where it's at.
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McG played his hand and he lost big...now he has to chop his budget in half..hence back to present day...fucking thing sucks.
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is giving interviews under the assumption that he'll be directing T5, but the studio may have different plans after not even breaking even. Does anyone know if he signed a 3 picture contract? Even if he did, I would think the studio would be smart enough to add an escape clause.
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...they need to justify working on a project by claiming they've been "obsessed" or "huge fans" of the source material since they were kids. Affleck did it with "Daredevil", Cruise claimed he was way into samurai culture with "The Last Samurai" and now McG pulls this crap about being huge into Jules Verne. Do they think they are retarded? This type of scenario was played out brilliantly on a season of "Entourage" when Vince played aquaman. He was interviewed by a geek who quized him on every facet of aquaman and Vince's publicist gave him a list of facts/talking points to say about the character even though vince Knew absolutely shit about it and didn't care about the character. This is just an example of how the hollywood game is played. I can understand claiming these obsessions in the pitch meeting to make it seem like you would really care when you're making the movie but for the BS to spill over into the public is terrible. WE DON'T BUY IT. Come up with another way to justify working on a movie. We know the huge paycheck was at least as big a deciding factor as anything else.
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and blu-ray sales too. So, in other words, don't buy it and McG will never make T5.
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Thats the figure at the moment, its run isn't over. I can assure you the average jackwad does not prefer Superman Returns to T-4, the reason for that - Supes just didn't have enough bang for your buck, theres no reason to sit through it, no emotional pay off and no eye candy. Stuff got blown up in T-4 far more.
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Damn is that a shit-stick idea! People have been waiting for the future war to finally get here, and dipfuck takes us BACK AGAIN? What the fuck for? Haven't we been down that road over and over and over again?
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Aug 07, 2009 2:54:17 PM CDT
dog shit > brett ratner > michael bay > mcg
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
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is hilarious. Does that guy suffer from delusions of grandeur or what? Terminator Salvation was an artistic bomb.
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Never heard of the guy, of course.
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No one wants to read his crap; AICN has been better off without him - good riddance. Not only does he have deplorable taste, but he was laughably forced into defending the steaming shit-pile Terminator Salvation because of his ridiculous 'Cult of Bale' nonsense (the Bale/Professional crap is the epitome of running something marginally funny into the ground). I wouldn't take Dickhead's advice or opinions on even making a cup of fucking tea.Sorry for the outburst, but I'd forgotten about that parasite. Let him circle jerk with his two or three buddies over at his pathetic website.Terminator Salvation was a failure on all levels- artistic, entertainment, and box office - and as much as McG takes the lion's share of the blame, Bale's thoroughly tedious and monotone performance was part and parcel of the whole sorry enterprise. That guy in the future war prologue of T2 conveyed more about John Connor in 2 seconds than Bale did in 2 hours.
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What a fucking idiot. If he managed to make a coherent, involving movie, then I wouldn't give a shit what his name was. He seriously has the mind of a child. "Well you just don't like me cuz I have a dumb name!". Jesus Christ. Put this guy out of my misery already.
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Aug 07, 2009 3:21:52 PM CDT
RFID your a FUCKING MORON THERE IS A GOD AND MCG IS COOL!
by superwelling
T4 Did suck But MCG is an awesome Director both his Charlies Angels movies had more excitement and blockbuster action than t4 but stupid ass Bale stepped and hd to have Johna noln rewrite t4 DARK KNIGHT WAS BORING CRAP! AND SO WAS T4 FUCK UR MOM RFID!
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perhaps there will be "salvation" with a directors cut or something...I was truly hoping for more out of T4
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I posted DGDB's review because I happen to like the guy and think this site is poorer for him not being around.
But also because Harry's review of TS felt wrong to me. It was bewilderingly brutal. Something about it didn't sit right. Anyone who's been reading this site for more than a year or two will know the sort of movies Harry usually goes for... and why he chose to savage this one so harshly seemed suspicious.
I don't think TS was a great film. I'd give it a 7/10 personally. But there was a lot to admire about it. Even if you're just an afficionade of fx and make-up you got to admit that some great work was done. It takes hundreds of people to make a movie, not just McG - and you've got to recognize the craftsmanship that went into the sets, costumes, practical stuntwork, etc on a film like TS.
Harry had personal reasons for what he wrote. I can't prove it but I do believe it. -
The earth is flat?
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-Insert Bale's ranting here-
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There were many good things about it, but overall it was lacking. The battle scenes were well done, but I thought Bale was just ok as Connor, Worthington was good, but the worst part for me was that the middle third of the movie was almost completely without any Terminators, and this is a Terminator movie, that just does not sit well with me. I understand it was a "war" movie and that's fine, but somehow it veered away from being a Terminator movie and became a "future war" movie. For me the only thing that saved it from being a total letdown was the last 20 or so mins. Could have, and SHOULD have been, so much better than it was.
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Is it remotely possible that Harry's "personal reasons" were that he thought T4 just flat-out sucked? And speaking of "bewilderingly brutal", did you happen to catch his TRANSFORMERS 2 review? It was so harsh that Don Murphy had Paramount pull the ads from this site.
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...and terribly underrated.
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destroying it like he has done with all his work. Terminator Salvation was just a mess and now they're letting him do another one. Mind you Transformers was a complete mess and it's has risen to the top ten grossing films of all time. So what do I know...!!!
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Is that you from High Def Digest?
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Worst I'd say is it felt like a bridge segment, leading up to a bigger movie.
Wasn't bad, and I'm getting tired of the Jim Cameron groupies who think his dick tastes like pumpkin pie trashing it because they believe yet another guy is "raping" their precious childhoods.
I think the dead giveaway about what a group of tasteless schnooks it is we're dealing with is how suddenly T3 was re-evaluated as a "good" movie, even though it looked like a TV-movie version of T2. -
Will Smith with a mechanical heart. Aw Hell Naw.
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Not trying to start an argument but it's run is over. It's out of almost every theater in the U.S., and any money it may make overseas will not affect the Worldwide gross. It's literally making a few dollars and does not affect the gross in any significant way. It has made about $340 million worldwide, a huge disappointment by any standard. Not to mention less than $125 million domestic, which is the real standard to which the industry measures success. http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=terminatorsalvation.htm
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T3 singlehandedly ruined the entire consistency of every movie to ever be made from this point on. It basically destroyed the series past the point where it can't be repaired, and all due to a basic misunderstanding of the first two movies. There was nothing TO fix with regards to Terminator 2, because Terminator 2 was 100% consistent with The Terminator. Anyone who watches Terminator 2 and comes away thinking that Judgement Day was stopped WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION. And then the "fix" for this "plot hole" involved blatantly changing the past, which is basically the single most important rule of the Terminator universe. You CAN'T change the past AT ALL. Any Terminator movie that involved changing the past screws everything up royally. And if you don't understand this, then you don't understand the first two movies any better than the writers of Terminator 3 and 4.
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Gaius, there's more to it than a negative review. Go back and read it if you must, but Harry's TS review was WAY more spiteful and malicious than what he wrote about TRANSFORMERS 2. There was something else going on with it.
I don't know what your personal opinion of the film was, but hopefully you won't make the internet error of being 'polarized' - everything either sux or rox, nothing at all in between.
TS did get positive reviews from some of the biggest names (Variety, Empire), and on this site Beaks wrote a positive review. You can see tb support for it even now. You can say it was a disappointment in comparison to T1 and T2 and I'd agree, but to absolutely slaughter it as 'a flaming turd' worst film of the year. Nope. No way. -
Aug 07, 2009 4:05:03 PM CDT
"any money it may make overseas will not affect the Worldwide gr
by burnhollywood
I guess "overseas" doesn't count as being part of the world...maybe it's like the old maps, and they're "regions unknown". LMAO
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Robert Patrick playing a modern day scientist who uses stem cells to create a younger version of himself.
THE SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH SEQUELS AND MOVIES IN GENERAL THESE DAYS IS THE NEED TO OVER EXPLAIN EVERYTHING.
Look at all the classics: Alien, The Thing, etc. They didn't spend a bunch of time overexplaining every scientific nuance. They just presented a new idea and rolled with it.
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That was the flaw with the SW prequel trilogy. Oftentimes it felt like things were in there just to make you say, "oh, I remember that from the originals." That inherently hurt them, although I love the prequels despite the flaws.
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Aug 07, 2009 4:12:28 PM CDT
MATTMAN RETURNS: THE DARK KNIGHT SUCKED ASS AND IM A HARDCORE BA
by superwelling
HEATH LEDGER MADE THAT CRAPPY MOVIE WHAT IT WAS! BALE IS A LAME DUCK BATMAN AND NEEDS TO BE RECAST! MOVIE WAS FUCKING OVERRATED AND BORING AS HELL! IT WAS ANYTHING BUT A BATMAN MOVIE IT WAS A HEAT/LAW & ORDER CROSSOVER GUESS STARRING BATMAN! GOTHAM CITY LOOK LIKE ANY CITY USA NOT VISUALLY STUNNING LIKE BURTON's GOTHAM DARK KNIGHT WAS PURE CRAP BOOSTED BY LEDGERS DEATH! I OWN BATMAN AND ROBIN! i put that OVER TDK id never own THAT SHITTY LACKLUSTER EXCUSE FOR A BATMAN MOVIE! (YAWWWN!)
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Aug 07, 2009 4:13:12 PM CDT
Great post TurdontheRun, once again you've proven to all present
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
why 99.9% of us think you are an absolutely fucking retarded chimp. Well done, my man. Keep it up.
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YOU STOOPID FUCK! The 'apocalyptic world' was the only thing good about your fucking convoluted, uneven, illogical plot-hole stor! If you bring it to the modern day world I swear I will NOT see it.
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He just can't face the fact that his moves suck ass.
McG, people make fun of your name because your movies suck so bad that we can't help but laugh at the filmmaker who made these pieces of shit. -
Aug 07, 2009 4:20:17 PM CDT
NOLAN IS A FUCKING OvERRATED HACK AND SO IS BALE BOTH SHOULD BE
by superwelling
I could write and direct a better batman movie in my sleep and i SAID A BATMAN MOVIE NOT CSI:DARK KNIGHT:CRIMINAL INTENT!(SNOOOOORE!)
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let the flames of hell lick his face for an eternity!
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Aug 07, 2009 4:32:39 PM CDT
And the KICKASS MOVIE PROVES U CAN HAVE ROBIN & BATGIRL IN A MOV
by superwelling
Have u seen the KICKASS CLIPS?? Hitgirl is Basically a younger batgirl shes 13 in an R RATED MOVIE IN A BATGIRL TYPE COSTUME FIGHTING ADULT VILLAINS STABBING THEM AND CHOPPING THER LEGS OFF!? WTF! WICKED SICK the other kid thats not kickass Has pretty Much a modified version of the ROBIN COSTUME AND HES LIKE 15 in and R RATED MOVIE!! NOLAN & BALE UR FUCKING HACKS THERES NO EXCUSE FOR ROBIN NOT BEING IN A MOVIE NOW IF KICKASS CAN BE MADE!!!
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Blu-ray and dvd and 2 or 3 editions from each will make a ton of cash. Then tv deals and of course the merchandising already made a ton of money. Terminator movies always end up well in the black when all is said and done..this will be no different.
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The SFX were great, and the little references to previous T-films was great but the plot was so boring. I really couldn't have cared less about any of it. And it's sad when the best performance of a movie is CG Arnold. And I agree, I don't think anyone cares what the guy's name is, they care about his work. I'm surprised there weren't any spider terminators in that movie.
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You're cracking me up too much, so I'm not gonna argue.
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WB I WILL LITERALLY WRITE THE BATMAN SUPERMAN SCRIPTS FOR U I KNOW BOTH CHARACTERS LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND BETTER THAN ANYONE! THAT MAY SOUND ARROGANT BUT IM BEING HONEST I DEF KNOW THE BATMAN BETTER THAN HACK NOLAN & GOYER DO! AND IM A SUPERMAN AFFICIANADO & can do 1000 times better than singer or any hollywood hack and i can back up what im saying WARNER BROS MY SITE IS WWW.SUPERMANSUPERWORLD>BLOGSPOT.COM and email is supermansuperworld@Gmail.com ill do it for free!!!
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HEATH LEDGER DIED THEN IT DID TITANIC NUMBERS! NUFF SAID THE MOVIE WAS THE MOST PRETENTIOUS BATMAN MOVIE EVER MADE!
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Aug 07, 2009 5:00:56 PM CDT
When you did this interview, did you mention that T4 flopped
by mysterious_volvo
cause i really think he needs to know
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YOU KNOW THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DOUCHEBAG?
WHY DON'T YOU PUT DOWN YOUR COMICBOOKS AND GO GET YOUR KEYBOARD FIXED. -
ie. Danny Dickhead disciple. Awwww, did I just insult your hero and hurt your feelings? Poor dear.I highly doubt that 99.9% of people here think I'm a complete chimp (nor would I give a flying fuck if they did). You, on the other hand , like your hero, Danny Fucknuts (or maybe you ARE Danny under a different alias), are a useless tit of the highest order and contribute nothing to these talkbacks save bile, animosity and puerility. And really, with such a vile (and witless) user name such as 'JC strangles a bitch', could anyone really take you seriously or expect anything less? Go back to 'Ain't it Bale News' and amuse yourself with the reprehensible, sniggering, misogynistic twits over there. DGDB's a cunt, AIBN's a joke, Bale is a dull actor, and Terminator Salvation was a complete disaster on every imaginable level. Fuck you and goodnight.
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Terrible idea to have the entire film set in the future. Connor going back in time to fight off some new Terminators could be cool though.
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Aug 07, 2009 5:26:12 PM CDT
HEY BULLETT! take off your diapers bitch cause im older than u
by superwelling
TDK SUCKS AND YOUR A MORON THERES JUST CERTAIN FACTS IN LIFE!
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Aug 07, 2009 5:27:28 PM CDT
TURDONTHERUN: AGRED BALE IS THE MOST BORING FUCKING BATMAN
by superwelling
and the most BORING ACTOR EVER PUT ON FILM PERIOD!
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Sure. Because that's something we have not seen before. Like three times.
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If the movie just followed him and led up to him join conner it would've been a lot better. Sam Worthington was not good and the script had more holes than swiss cheese. Still the movie did bring us the joys of listening to Christain Bale lose it.
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I didn't get why they had to put a face on Skynet. It was just a bad idea.
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Aug 07, 2009 5:34:32 PM CDT
The only reason the action was good in T4 was because:
by pissed off and bitter
The second unit filmed it and the second unit director directed it. And yes, the lighting was REALLY good. Everything but the actors and story was good. Bale's acting sucked and Worthington proved he doesn't know how to hide his accent, and the overall cast was wasted. Michael Ironside deserved more screen time too. Actually he was the best thing about the whole movie.
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Ok, it was his nickname as a kid...but come on. Spielbergs nickname was "Stevie"...should he just go with "Directed by Stevie"?
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He has to have someone at WB in a compromising position, like a dick in someone's ass...I liked T4, were there problems, most def but it was way better then T3-but that T5 idea sounds like a dirty douche bag..just give us the friggen fights alread for fuck's sake
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T4 wasn't a fucking Terminator movie. It was a generic action movie with a couple Terminators thrown in for promotional purposes.Mcgee you were hired to do a trilogy in the future not cover ground,already exhaustively covered.Fuck you fucker!
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So much hostility. Let's all calm down a bit, shall we?
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Aug 07, 2009 6:16:26 PM CDT
Can we all agree not to go see anymore movies this guy makes?
by bbbbeeeennnn
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It fits the limits of his creativity.
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Anything you do say can and will be used against you in a court of law....
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Aug 07, 2009 6:37:25 PM CDT
bySavageDave:so what! BATMAN & ROBIN WAS GOOD FUN!SURE THERE WER
by superwelling
there things that i wouldnt have done had i wrote the script! but you know what it was good fun and action packed TDK WAS A SOULESS DULL BORING FUCKING PRETENTIOUS MOVIE TRYING TO BE CITIZEN KANE ITS FUCKING BATMAN U MORON! it can be serious BUT STOP WITH THE FUCKING SOCIAL ISSUES! whats Nexta NINJA TURTLE MOVIE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF POVERTY! JUST GO FUCK OFF NOLAN YOUR GARBAGE!!
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Maybe at the end, but all I saw was Batman hanging off buildings for 3 hours.
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When? It made me want to gouge out my eyeballs.
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You dumb ass!
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the movie i saw was a 3 Hour LAW AND ORDER SVU MOVIE with batman popping up for guest appearences it WASNT A BATMAN MOVIE AND THAT WASNT GOTHAM CITY!
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Visually it looked great, the action scenes were well executed and didn't rely on wobbly cam. Sadly the script was crap as hell, mainly down to shoving together two stories that don't work, which is partly the fault of Bale for insisting Connor has a bigger role.
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If that execrable mess called Transformers 2 did one thing, it made me reassess my opinion of T4.
I walked out of T4 thinking, "Meh". A couple weeks later, I walked out of TF2 thinking, "wow, that was waaaay worse than T4." -
Its still playing all around the world and it'll continue making money with its blu ray and dvd release. I wouldn't call it's earningds thus far great, but it's certainly not the disaster people here make it out to be.
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That film is basically Michael Bay saying fuck you to anyone who doesn't buy into his bullshit heart and soul.
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start calling yourself by your Government name and people will start respecting you. Do that or start Producing Hip Hop music.
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Aug 07, 2009 7:25:40 PM CDT
I feel sorry for the people that can only enjoy ONE movie
by lockesbrokenleg
a year.
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yeah thats right, don't listen to all the hatred and venum towards that piece of shit Terminator salvation fuckup. lets all take a deep breath and understand the man's point of view... we just hate his name, is all. yeah - that's itActually, here's what i really think. McG, yes your name makes you sound like some cheap radio talkshow host but that is not why you're not liked. in fact, I'm sure you're a real nice guy. hey you got some nice arse shots of cameron diaz and i love the drew barymore boobie silhoutte.... but man, 2 things. you are NOT the man to bring us a terminator film, you fucked it, don't go fucking it anymore with 2 more films which you obviously don't have any real plan or clue as to how to continue it. and finally, in your terminator film it was pretty fucking obvious you have a hero worship, slash, semi-crazy wannabe michael bay persona. you put giant fucking robots in a film which should have been fairly low tech, considering... and here you are talking about transformers in this interview for fuck know what reason?? make your 20000 litres under the sea, but I'm telling you now.... cut your losses with Terminator and hand it over to someone more worthy.... like brett ratner. Harry... why does your site destroy the ratner name yet let this dipshit off the hook? it doesn't make any sense!!!!!!stupid fucking terminator film. oh but that arnie CGI was awesome. A speck of gold dust in a bucket of shit.
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In the world Of reality It does not work. Unless Batman knows about Kryptonite from the start he loses from the gate the only thing that saves him is Supermans mercy. its a rediculous premise that only works in Comic books.
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I like Harry, but the movie wasn't as bad as he made it out to be. At the same time, it was surprisingly average with some serious inconsistencies (like the huge robot that appears out of nowhere-without a sound at all)...there was nothing memorable about the movie at all...the scene that everyone says was great (the moto chase was, ironically, done by the 2nd production director). I don't blame McGinty any more or less than I blame the writers and Bale for continual rewrites DURING filming...stupid...I am surprised that the studio would continue with McGinty though - the movie was lackluster at the box office when one factors in production/marketing costs...and I'll bet it does average/poor on DVD sales (the real lifeblood of the movie industry)...
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Aug 07, 2009 7:45:07 PM CDT
T 4 was bland. Then again so were T 1, and T 2, and T 3
by lockesbrokenleg
The main problem with these Terminator movies is that the main character always tells you what's going to happen at the end and then IT DOES!! Wow. Big whoop.
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I would rather see Terminator continued on TV - like it successfully was before having to step aside for a new film.
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when clearly it was such a fucking awkward movie from start to finish. and who wrote that bullshit at the start " so thats what death taste like" wtf
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Aug 07, 2009 7:56:41 PM CDT
How could they give him the job after T4 was such critical and c
by sloopjohnb
For all the shit McG talked before T4 came out, everyone was expecting something at least somewhat good; this was not only the worst Terminator film, but it is so far one of the worst films of the year.
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Aug 07, 2009 8:18:05 PM CDT
have you all forgotten what the shitfest franchise alien has bec
by castiel
t4 was a good course correction from the crap that was t3. not brilliant, but a good blockbuster. the franchise is still healthy and viable and thats thanks to the fact that this one didnt stink to high heaven. it fucking well didnt.
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i was let down with t4 but still enjoyed it. however i will have a hard time getting excited for the next one if they keep the same writers and mcg. honestly dont they know no one likes mcg theres got to be hundreds more talented people in hollywood!! thousands!!
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your movies are even doucheyer. And that is no small feat sir.
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Put me on the record.
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if he had ever made ONE decent movie...but he hasn't. and if he keeps destroying not only exciting and beloved franchises, but also exciting and beloved novels from history, I'll feel very comfortable thinking he's a raging douchebag."hates my name..." what a fucking narcissistic prick. fuck him.
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and batman and superman are not in the rea world u FUCKING DOUCHEBAG! its narrowminde Pricks like u NOLAN AND SINGER THAT NEED TO SATY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MAKING COMICBOKK FILMS!
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It was all hype, and cgi.... It didn't even feel like a Terminator movie, and they fucked up how they used Roland Kickinger he should have simply taken over the role of the Terminator in the new movie.
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Aug 07, 2009 9:23:27 PM CDT
A non-apocalyptic t5, what the fuck is the point
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
What dumbass thought that bright idea up. How does that even make sense. Judging by t4s plot though I don't think he's too concerened with anything making sense
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Are they really going to bother with a T5 after that 2 hour exercis in fucking audience boredom? Really? Give me a fucking break. Let it go already. Nobody gives a flying fuck.
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Aug 07, 2009 9:41:46 PM CDT
"that's been my name my whole life. It's not something that I pr
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
His name's Joseph McGinty Nichol. And he requests being called McG. I guess he actually thinks it sounds cool?
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McG knows it. go back licking cameron diaz's pussy you asshole!
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"Terminator: Salvation" was the WORST movie I've seen in years. Fuck you, McG! We hated your film, not your name, you talentless douchebag. I wanted to like your film, I even defended it on these talkbacks before its release, but goddamn did you screw the fucking pooch. Up its little canine ass.
I couldn't BELIEVE some of the decisions you made as a "director." No wonder Christian Bale lashed out at your DP. He knew your film was going to suck and hated the fact he'd signed on to be in it. Must've been a horrible moment for him.
You've officially earned all the hate you're receiving. Too bad it won't stop you from making more films. -
Aug 07, 2009 10:19:29 PM CDT
"Terminator: Salvation" was the WORST movie I've seen in years
by dioxholster
true that. it was horrendous
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Aug 07, 2009 10:26:11 PM CDT
"McG is a jock douchebag crashing our geek party."
by cheyne_stoking_dms
words of wisdom, Lloyd, words of wisdom.
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First off: learn to fucking spell correctly. It looks as if you're a 5-year-old boy who stumbled on his daddy's laptop. Second: No, a Batman/Superman movie wouldn't work. It would SUCK. Just like a cross between any two superheroes. Not enough screen time or presence for both. Their would be no fucking point.
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GET TO THE SUBMARINAH!!!!!!....Well, maybe not....Oh, and I rather enjoyed T4.
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yeah you got it right dude
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What a shame. The guy WAS Captain Nemo and the 50s Disney version was possibly the greatest live-action Disney film of all time, dancing seal or no dancing seal. I mean, at least it had the guts to feature A GIANT SQUID unlike ANOTHER film I won't dare mention.
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.....is no longer attached to the Terminator franchise! He will not be given 20,000 Leagues either! Don't worry guys! Everything will be fine. I promise.
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maybe a smaller budget will force McG to get more creative. Why they hired his useless ass in the first place is a mystery.
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Aug 07, 2009 11:57:21 PM CDT
After seeing Terminator: Salvation, i will never watch another o
by ironhelix
That's the first time i have ever said that about a director, and i mean it. I'm not even reading the article, i just want him to stop making films.
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Aug 07, 2009 11:58:06 PM CDT
...another one of McG's films, is what it was supposed to say.
by ironhelix
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watching The Hangover. I'm really not sure if some people here are being serious or joking. Whoever is typing in all caps and spouting off about how great Batman & Robin was is too much. I'm totally cool if you really like that movie, but you gotta be able to respect the fact that you might be a minority in that opinion. I mean George Clooney has even said he felt bad for killing the Bat Man franchise with that movie. But, I'm pretty sure I'm one of 6 people that thinks Rocky 5 was a good movie and Stallone himself didn't like it. So stick to your guns.
And the argument of T3 v T4 seems moot to me. No arguments that T3 was not as good as T2, but at least it had some good Arnold one liners. If T4 had that it might have been bearable, but still pretty terrible. I'm a tad bewildered why directors forget the less is more philosophy. If the story seems to call for a straight up not-too-complicated plot, i.e. humans fighting machines, then you should probably go with that. So many movies miss the mark because they think an idea is too simple, like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for instance. In the end you have to devote more time to introducing, explaining, and solving the problems created by these little extras when that time could have been spent on kick-assery. T4 would have benefited by taking a few pages from Braveheart (think about it). Now make T5 about Johnny 5 from the Short Circuit series and see some magic happen. -
That's really the bottom line.
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Aug 08, 2009 12:25:01 AM CDT
CheyneStoking ur a FUCKING MORON a BATS SUPES MOVIE WOULD WORK
by superwelling
Only Fucking IDIOTS LIKE U WITH NO CREATIVE IMAGAINATION would thinks so thank GOD UR STUPIASS DOESNT WORK AT WB!!
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Listen to the Bale rant. Who is that wimpering in the background while Bale throws a tantrum at the lighting guy (justified or not)? McPeeWee couldn't even stand up for his crew. Jim Cameron whould have staked Bale out in the desert and left him there if any actor pulled that shit on him. Thats why his movies are good: because he stands up to the suit and the stars and makes his vision. I suspect McG will not and can not, and thats one of the reasons his movies will always be crap.
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Is like making fun of someone for enjoying going to the beach. Those of us who like TDK aren't the strange ones. Now, I know I'm weird for not liking Spider-Man, because most people seem to. Therefore I don't go on talkbacks and scream "SPIDER-MAN SUCKS" to intentionally piss everyone off.
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stop yapping BITCH! make me a terminator-free sandwich BITCH!
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if it were up to me, mcg aka mcbitch aka bad director aka michael bays rip off who thinks he's actually good,
would have been killed after charlies angles 2. but since he wasn't, why don't we let him start making terminator 5, then rig an explosion to go off near him and kill him. so that he's dead no one will ever mess with the franchise again... and if they do they will give it to neil bloomkaf (i know its spelled wrong) -
if it were up to me, mcg aka mcbitch aka bad director aka michael bays rip off who thinks he's actually good,
would have been killed after charlies angles 2. but since he wasn't, why don't we let him start making terminator 5, then rig an explosion to go off near him and kill him. so that he's dead no one will ever mess with the franchise again... and if they do they will give it to neil bloomkaf (i know its spelled wrong) -
I remember reading the book & watching the movie as a kid. I've always loved this story & especially the Nautilis! I truely hope it's done well & Disney decides to go high tech with a revisit to my favorite, now closed attraction.
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Many people were suckered into seeing combined with heath ledgers Death made it a titanic sized Hit! its the first movie IMO that was the most Boringest CRAPPIEST BATMAN movie to ever make 1 billion dollars it was a fluke, and even now many peopel say it was Crap! i was talking to a firefighter whos and avid batfan, who thought it WAS PURE SHIT! alot hype but still a dull souless CRAP BATMAN MOVIE BY A SULL SOULLESS BORING BLAND MILQUETOST DIRECTOR AND LEAD ACTOR! (YAWWWWN) Wake me up when a REAL BATMAN MOVIE GEtS MADE! NOT BATMAN:SVU
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Herbert Lom (MYSTERIOUS ISLAND), a very underrated actor; very low key and credible as Verne's anti-hero. But the mainstream is only familiar with his recurrent lunatic role in PINK PANTHER movies. Jesus, check out His Ealing movies and even his spin on the PHANTOM OF THE OPERA. Then again, James Mason is indelibly locked into the role; but he deserves the adulation. McG may do a Robert Rodriguez (the desperate hiring of Lindsay Lohan) and engage Larry the Cable Guy as Nemo. Think I'm kidding?
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Aug 08, 2009 3:01:03 AM CDT
McG is is prepping another PG-13 Terminator crapfest?
by motoko kusanagi
Good Lord, we're fucked.But since we've been fucked before by McG's ball-less Terminators, we're now more like superfucked.
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It's weird McG made that comment about his name... and he is even wrong about that. His given name is Joseph McGinty Nichol, so McG is something that he did prescribe himself. When someone gave him the nickname "McG" he could have told them "actually, my name is Joe." end of story. Not that it really matters what his name is, it is just a strange justification he tried to make.
As for his other comments, this is my real problem with the dude: He never says anything of substance and his movies are the same... "a great deal of action" in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Hmmm, who would have thought there would be action in an adventure/fantasy story - go figure.
I actually thought T4 was better than T3, but both were weak IMO.
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Especially on a talkback. There's people here who hate Shawshank Redemption. I'm talking about people in the real world who have seen the outside of their mom's basements, have inserted their dick inside something other than their dog's ass, and know how to turn off capslock. You know: sane people.
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He'll read through them and only see "McG, your name sucks!" or "I loved Terminator IV until I saw it was directed by a dbag named McG!"
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... i just hate what he did with terminator, and his 'I'm awesome get used to it.' attitude.... I'm no Bay lover, but this guy isn't even close to Bay, who he obviously wants to be.
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Aug 08, 2009 4:22:25 AM CDT
You fucking idiots! Every Terminator talkback it's the same shit
by one_guy_from_andromeda_
Who gives a fuck about his name. The dude is just director, who was given a script to work with by the studio. The guy read the script, visualized it with his DP, and shot it. What, you idiots think he had complete control over the script? Are you fucking 12? You really think the director is completely responsible for a franchise movie sucking? Does McG own the Terminator franchise? No, you halfwits, he does not, so he does not have creative freedom. Not even close. Kids are naive, and it's normal, but naive grownups is pathetic.
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duuuuh McG is gay, blah blah, he fucked up terminator duuuhhh, is staggering! Fellows, you are a disgrace to your species, abstain from reproducing! Idiots!
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the movies that he makes are terrible. The ability to shoot an action scene does not make you a good director. Knowing a good script from a piece of shit does. It really shows that the money people in hollywood simply don't have a clue, and the top actors (yes, YOU Cristian Bale!) don't either, when they willingly sign up for something that was as bad as Terminator Salvation. I read the piece over at CHUD which detailed the previous script draft that they were planning on shooting and, incredibly, it was even worse. I mean, come on, a new Terminator film set in the future war, shouldn't have been too difficult to pull off because everything has been set up in the previous films. But alas, they still managed to fuck it up big style, and now this idiot says he's coming back for more. Please McG, just stop making films because you'll never be any good at it. You're a glorified cameraman. At best. You claim that you grew up with Jules Verne, but I seriously doubt that you've read anything beyond a pop-up book in your entire life. Cristophe Gans was planning on making a Captain Nemo prequel film years ago, but he never got it off the ground. Now, there's a great director, who's vision for this I would have loved to see.
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McG makes me sick to my fuckin stomach. He's everything thats wrong with creativity. The only reason he gets these opportunities is be cause his films go into profit. The reason they go into profit is because idiots like the majority of people who read this site cross their fingers and hope he will get it right this time. I mean the fact that he's been given the chance must mean he ok right? Wrong. Uncreative suits who only think of bucks make the choice of director, they don't, repeat don't, GIVE A SHIT about creatively protecting a francise. DO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND? The best and only way to make untalantive fucks like McG wither away and die is to not go to the cinema and watch their films. I knew from day one the film would end up exactly as it did and did not see it. I will also be not watching it on dvd. I will not promote that egotistical shit with my hard earned money. There so many talented directors out there. So many. It makes me weep for those starving bastards who would have killed to make a good terminator film. And the only reason Mc G is making one is because you gullible fucks put the film in profit. You get what you pay for ladies and gentleman, and you all paid for..Mc G so stop moaning.
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McG is a hack T4 proved it.
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Shit looks off da chain!!! I am so there next summer. War machine FTW!!
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McG is saving face. Just like Brian Singer did when he talked about being on board the Superman Returns sequel. Who is going to finance a sequel with McG on board? Not Halcyon, who lost money on their distribution deal. Not WB, who may not break even after ancillary. Not Sony, who is pretty much in the same boat. The movie had to make at least $550 mil worldwide for McG to have the leverage to remain at the helm. If someone buys the rights from Halcyon, expect some sort of reimagining or reboot.
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is that true about the dvd sales? god i hope so.
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Aug 08, 2009 10:23:18 AM CDT
McG is going to rob us of all the most interesting storylines
by rob0729
When James Cameron created Terminator he spoonfed any future director the most interesting storyline in a post Judgement Day Terminator movie. In Sarah's final voice over, she talks to future John and discusses the conflict he will have about send his father back to the past so he can die, but create his life. For my money, the most interesting storyline on any post Judgement Day movie would be watching John and Kyle interact and John's internal conflicts of getting to know his father without letting on that he is actually his father and then training and preparing him for his early death. McG doesn't seem to have much interest in that.
I think McG's T5 idea is ridiculous. It might be a great idea for its own movie, but dumb for a Terminator movie. Hopefully. the studio will see how poorly received in this country McG's vision was (it is the 15th highest grossing movie this year and may drop out of the top 20 by the end of the year) and move onto another director or let the series die after two mediocre installments. -
Dear McG.
Why, near the end of Salvation, was that Terminator throwing/punching Connor around? Why didn't it just kill him, rip his head off - hence the name "Terminator". 3 was better, and that's saying something. -
$341 million worldwide isn't exactly $400 million. It isn't a bust either. T4 was saved by a strong foreign draw because domestically, it did poorly based on expectations. Expectations were this movie would do $200-250 million domestically and it did $124 million (15th best domestic draw this year which should drop out of the top 20 by the end of the year). "The Proposal" and "Paul Blart: Mall Cop" did better domestically.
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Like they're even gonna make a T5 after T4 took so damn long to put together with such shite results. And to think they're gonna go back to the hack that MADE the shittiest T movie yet? Keep dreaming McG. You're more likely to get to make the next Sugar Ray video. If you beg them hard enough, that is.
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Aug 08, 2009 11:01:10 AM CDT
20,000 Leagues Beneath the Sea to the Center o' the Earth!
by brandloyalist
Give me your harpoon! *whack* You idiot!
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they still think he is a fuckin professional?
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My wife took me to see Terminator:Salvation on my birthday, and I really enjoyed it!! I expected it to be rubbish (based on opinions on here), but it really was a good action flick that despite a few flaws, played out well. I would be very interested to see what McG's take on 20,000 Leagues under the sea is - I love the original novel (read it as a child), and as much as I know many people are quoting facts here about how certain characters (Nemo!!) should be, the Disney version is very entertaining, and James Mason is a powerful, passionate Nemo.
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T4 was sh** and T5 sounds like it will be an even bigger pile of sh**.
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Aug 08, 2009 12:34:30 PM CDT
MATTMAN: u fuck your dog? REAL PEOPLE KNOW TDK WAS TRASH
by superwelling
pretentious asshole with no girlfriends who fuck their Dogs like u, think its the second Coming, ITS NOT ITS A CRAPPY BORING BATMAN FILM, and ID WATCH BATMAN & ROBIN TEN TIMES BEFORE SITTING THROUGHT THE CRAPPIEST OVERRATED SNOOZEFEST OF 2008!
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Aug 08, 2009 12:42:10 PM CDT
and im a HARDCORE BATFAN and i STILL SAY TDK WAS BORING TRASH
by superwelling
BATMAN FOREVER IS BETTER THAN TDK!
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I wish people would stop calling Emmerich a hack, he's a far better director than McShit, Bay (although i have liked some of his films) Paul W Shit Anderson, Brett Ratner, Stephen Sommers (atleast his films can be enjoyable shite) etc.
Emmerich is a brilliant director of action and most of his films are real event movies, sure the scripts are flawed and sometimes cheesy but his films are very enjoyable 'event' movies and he knows what he's doing in that sense, McShit is just god awful, Salvation is god awful, i'm still pissed that i actually paid to see that shit. -
And no one seems to care about that. I hate MCG's attitude but I hate Bay's more. He went out of his way to make a horrible movie to make a point, that people are fucking stupid. Look at Transformers 2 that movie was horrible, racist, sexist and horrible... Oh wait I said that one. Why is it that that stupid as fuck movie and Bay get a free pass but MCnuggets and Terminator Salvation don't? They are the same movies in my eyes except one had better filmed action(Terminator).
Oh and SuperWelling. We get it you're 12. You can stop now. You know your debate has gone down hill when you mention people fucking dogs. I loved the Dark Knight I did not find it boring. And how in any way is it like Law and Order: SVU? Also if you are so sure of yourself why don't you tell us a plot you would make for a Batman movie. A full movie plot. Not just Batman fights Clayface a full plot for a movie. Because Batman Begins and Dark Knight had very well put together plots involving characters not just fights. -
McG is a semi-competent action director, but as a cinematic storyteller he's never found a solid voice, and T4 proved that. I don't question his heart on these things anymore, I believe he has the passion and drive, but not the talent and not the ability to tell big money to go fuck off when it matters most. IMO, directors who want to do stuff like this need to earn the right to do it with challenging smaller movies first, shit that forges their creativity and hones their hunger to tell a good story. Sorry bud, but you know in your heart it's true, you're not ready, you'll mishandle it.
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I was totally up for giving McG a chance, I'd not really seen his other work so I wasn't concerned when he was hired. But T4 does speak for itself, and it's saying "mediocre".
The whole film was just dull and lifeless. There were no characters in it bar Yelchin's excellent take on Biehn's Reese, and he wasn't given nearly enough screen time. It actually seems to me like Bale hijacked the film, it would probably have worked better without him, or without Marcus. But with both the film felt unfocused and unable to pick a lead and stick with them.
T5 sounds like it's already going down the wrong path, Terminators in the present day has been done already in 3 other films and a TV series, it doesn't need doing again, especially by McG.
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I don't think many people expected much out of a money that was based on giant robots from an alien civilization that turned in Ford Mustangs or semi-trailers...with the first two terminators however, Cameron raised the bar extremely high. When others couldn't meet that threshold, of course people were disappointed in it.From what I've read, I don't blame McGinty: I blame the studio's meddling. Hey, if I was tabbed as the director of T5, of course I'd do it - so McGinty taking on the task isn't a surprise. However, he should have grown a pair and quit the job if the studio kept meddling, esp during the filming of it...
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I don't necessarily believe McG would have done that great a job anyways mind you - he's more of a 'caretaker' director: can execute a job on time, on budget, but lacks any real vision or creativity. One can see the results of that kind of hire.
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Charlies angels movies were way more exciting than t4! and We are Marshall was Awsome! problem is Bale took over and HAD THE BORING THE DARK CRAP WRITER JONAH NOLAN REWRITE THE SCRIPT! AND YOU WONDER WHY ITS CRAP?!(YAWWWN)
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i think i was pretty clear that McGinty wasn't the only one to blame for T:$ - the studio, Bale and the writers obviously share that blame. However, saying that he is "an awesome director" is an oxymoron too...using Charlie's Angels and We Are Marshall as examples? Ummm...I guess you don't set your bar too high do you? As for you not liking TDK? Well, goes to show natural selection is a myth afterall...
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just so everyone knows, Cobra--Kai is McG. Sorry to blow your cover. Douche.
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First of all, I thought his name was " Joseph McGINTY Nichol" ... so "McG" technically isn't the given birth name he's been saddled with in life, it's the "clever" handle that he gave himself. Which is fine and good if he was planning on a life as professional skateboarder, but I'm not so sure it suits somebody we're depending on to deliver a good flick for 160 million bucks or whatever. And yeah, we hate your fucking nickname ... but honestly, you could call yourself "Shit-Monger McSemenface" and it wouldn't matter if you were making decent, watchable films. Stop playing the name card, reel in your actors a bit and, whatever you do, stop stealing scripts from Brett Ratner's "To Read" pile.
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I'd take a McG film anyday over some Bay shitfest.
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McG should try making a movie that he came up with on his own.
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...Just call him Joe.
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PEOPLE WILL EAT CRAP IF YOU CALL IT ICECREAM DUMBASS!
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Some shit happens. The end.
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Cameron covered that implicitly in the first movie. We already know that John dealt with it. We didn't need to see the family pre-reunion in T4. Kyle should be just a soldier John selected to send back, not some soap-opera daddy-son yip-yap in the future.
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... now he is going to ruin classic literature. WHY DOES THIS GUY HAVE A CAREER AS A MOVIE DIRECTOR?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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... are you McG's Back Door Joe?
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you are one of the few people that didn't like TDK it seems. Too much "talkin' for ya n not 'nuff 'xplosions...2 much fancy yappin...and u get sleepy"?Awesome...can't wait for your next CAPS LOCK rant...thanks for the laugh...
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I was fooled by McG as well. I appreciated his AVP analogy. But he doesn't have what it takes , and his idea of T5 sounds like AVP 2 after all. I actually liked T3 better. T4's Bale, Worthington, and Yelchin and some cool action shots were highlights, but the film fell far short. I couldn't even think of paying $ to watch it again in the theater. The small opening week showing I had , had a miniscule audience, baffled and pissed at the end, where one vocal guy remarked loudly for all of us "wow, that sucked". This at the most famous theater in Hollywood right next to the Kodak theater. He got some applause.
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Aug 09, 2009 1:48:55 AM CDT
LABATTSMORON: u realize that Juts because People paid to see TDK
by superwelling
Doesnt mean they liked it after they got out right you Idiot? Alot of people that saw tdk and loved it were not even Batman fans and never saw begins! and saw it Because OHH poot Heath Hes so DREAMY! UR A FUCKING SUMBASS LABATTS!
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A movie doesn't make a billion dollars unless people keep going back. If they only see it once, then you get a Lost World: Jurassic Park effect - huge opening weekend, and then massive drop, and the movie peters out in the $200 million area. Now, thrill me with a childish reply in all caps. Can't wait.
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that is not my opinion. It is a fact. He sucks and should not be allowed to direct any more films. Ever.
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Aug 09, 2009 2:37:37 AM CDT
LABATTSMORON IF you thought TDKRAP WAS GOOD THEN WHAT ABOUT TF2
by superwelling
IMO thats revenge for a peice of TRASH like TDK making So Much all the critics trasjed tf2 people didnt care andkept goin babck for More! the difference is tdk WAS PUR UTTER CRAP BOREDOM! Tf2 was a FUN ACTION PACKED BLOCKBUSTER U DUMBASS!LOL
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It's official: YOU'RE ILLITERATE. Any critic and any "real" Batman fan knows a Superman/Batman crossover wouldn't work. Bruce Wayne's not a retard who wouldn't notice who Superman truly is like the rest of the world. Superman is a fucking failure of a comic book character anyway (aren't all superheroes "supermen"?) And with you calling TDK shit...well obviously the Academy and the rest of the planet (besides you) thinks otherwise. Eat my shit, "real Batman fan."
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which is considered one of the worst movies of modern times better than TDK. You got a lot to learn, kiddo, a LOT to learn.
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"TDKRAP", "trasjed", "andkept". That and you're a transformers fan. I don't know what's worse.
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GIANT PIG!!!
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Aug 09, 2009 4:18:12 AM CDT
CHEYNE_STOKINGDMDICK your a RETARD TDK WAS THE SHIT U DROPPED I
by superwelling
you cant even call ur self a real batman fan if you thought TDK was Great your the STUPIDEST IDIOT ON EARTH EVERY 90s animated episodewas bettr than that PEICE OF SHIT TDK WAS your A PRETENTIUOS FUCKING ASSHOLE SO IT FIGURES YOU SUCK BALE AND NOLANS PRETENTIOUS FUCKING COCKS AND BEND OVER FOR A PRETENTIOUS FUCKING BATMAN MOVIE! YOU ARE SO GAY!
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are insane. Hell, even Joel Schumaker made a public appologise for B&R. Not even the guy who made it likes it!!
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Dedicated to protecting Verne's legacy? That's code for "I'm raping Vernes story, and I'm going to cast a rapper as Nemo."
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If you like Batman and Robin, then you probably appreciate the campy 1960s portrayal of Batman. Begins and Dark Knight are based on the early version of the character, and the darker, 80s version that has persisted. If you've read Frank Miller's Year One, you know that Begins and Dark Knight retain a very similar style. Year One also has a very gritty, realistic feal. The city looks like a real city, like New York or Chicago. It's fine if you don't like that style, but don't claim it's not Batman, because it very much is Batman. There are many versions of Batman, so you an pick and choose, but Nolan has embraced the most popular version. And that's why his movies have been so successful and highly regarded.
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A Supes/Bats crossover would never work in live action. Animation? Sure. But live action would just be laughable. Although, Batman and Robin fans (all two of them) would probably love it, since they clearly have no regard for quality.
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I scanned a script that I think Aronofsky was going to direct... about Supes and Batman. If this script was legit... Batman was pissed at Supes for not preventing the death of his gf or some shit... so they went to war with one another. Obviously, Batman isn't as powerful as supes...but the script worked... it was like a cat and mouse type situation. I don't rem much about the script... it could have been bogus.
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Sam Worthington gets prepped for AVATAR.
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there just not living in there basement with there mom, and Always on AICN like u dipshit! and BATMAN & ROBIN WASA FLAWED BUT FUN FILM, If a COUPLE OF TWEAKS HAD BEEN MADE TO IT TDKRAP WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE AND I COUT GET U 30.0000 people who think batmaN & supes would be a great in live action! NOW YOU A ND cheyne gay stroKEly CAN GO BEND OVER LIKE THE FAGS U ARE FOR THOSE HACKS NOLAN and BALE!
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hi Sun that bat Vs Supes script was wriiten By ANDREW KEVIn WALKER (SEVEN) & AKIVA GOLDSMAN( BATMAN & ROBIN) and thats Script was Surprisingly AWESOME Too! it needed Some tweaks as well too. BUt OVERALL it was awesome an that Script rocked! and ur right It can work dont let all the AHOLE NAYSAYERS SAY DIFFERNT! JUST LIKE ROBIN CAN WORK IN BATFILMS AND DID WORK IN BATMAN FOREVER! the Highest MONEYMAKING OUT OF ALL BATFILMS TILL TDKRAP CAME ALONG! join and comment my site www.supermansuperworld.blogspot.com
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How people still had hopes that he movie would be anything good is bewildering. A real weird case of misguided optimism. Sometimes optimism is a poison. A real bad poison that kills common sense and thoughfulness. McG was bad news since day one.
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Future War! That's what we want. This just sounds like a cost-cutting exorsise, and an excuse to get Linda Hamilton & Robert Patrick back for cameos. Or maybe he's realised there's not enough scope for a trilogy, and he shoulda cut all that Sam Worthlesstington crap, and just made a self-contained film about Conner & Reese, which ends with the humans winning, and Arnie & Reese being sent back to the 80's.
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Aug 09, 2009 6:51:08 PM CDT
MATTMAN: u dumbass BATMAN TAS IS THE MOST POPULAR VERSION OF BAT
by superwelling
Its gritty Gothic dark Serious and realistic without being bogged down is Stupid realism, theres robin batgirl and robin twoface Joker and every villain, its VEY FAITHFUL to the tone of the comics, its parcaticall the entire History of the entire Batmythos on animated film if someone whos uniniated with batman i would Show them BATMAN the animated series NOT THAT PEICE OF SHIT SNOREFEST TDK. the animated series is the toatl and complete spirit of the Comic on Film! not some amalgamation of Law & order and the Godfather! FUCK TDK
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You're a fucking dumbass and you don't have a clue! So shut the fuck up!!!
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Just continue the fucking future war. You're there, we've made it to the interesting part! JUST FUCKING DO IT.
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And blew up because oF LEDGERS DEATH THAT IS IT he was the only good thing in it even Gotham City was DULL MILQUETOASR CRAP! ( YAWWWWWWWWWN!)
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I applaud your enthusiasm but please...turn yourself down. Your IQ shows.
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from taking it so hard.
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there wasn't enough flashy neon lights and bat nipples for you.
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no one here agrees with you? You're like one of the three people on planet Earth that disliked TDK. You, Adam West and Joel Schumacher.
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with TDK. The man who inspired the Batman: animated series you love so dearly.
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Everybody should lay off the guy...or better yet abandon this talkback. He's talking to the air, or whatever voices are inside his head. And I kinda feel sorry for the guy. It's almost pathetic.
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I have to disagree with those that think that a Bat Man/Superman movie couldn't work. The character dynamic is a good one just because they're literally flipsides of the same philosphical coin. And yes, Bat Man would figure out Superman's identity pretty quick. That's the point. But Superman would figure out Bat Man's too (X-ray vision and all that). In fact I'm pretty sure this was covered in an episode of the animated series, and it was a cool scene.
And as for Mr. "Me Grimlock hate The Dark Knight, Me love Bat Man and Robin", smacking others in the face with your opinion does not make for a successful means of persuasion. Moreover, if you love the animated series so much, how can you possibly find Bat Man and Robin watchable? They are the complete opposite of one another? But to each their own. Also, I would love to see your script for a Bat/Supes movie cause that would be comedy gold. I can see it now. Superman helps Bat Man open a jar of pickles, but before he can open the jar he realizes he never put on his left sock before he left the house. And that's where babies come from. The End. I'd pay money for that. I really would. -
Actually, I think The Bat/Supes movie would have a LOT OF YELLING, DON'T YOU?!! And I think some spray valium for the movie theater would be a big help as well.
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All i can say is thankgod no one in the buisness listens to the elitist movie arseholes that populate Aintitcooltomoanlikefucknews.com, T4 was a great summer popcorn movie, i enjoyed it, all my mates enjoyed it and it seemed the whole fucking cinema enjoyed it, but oooohh noes, the closet directors in here cry like fuck when every scifi fails to match upto 2001/Alien/etc exfuckingcetera, it wasnt fucking perfect but it was enough for me to get the bluray and it was enough for me to go a sequel and i couldnt give a rats fuck where he sets it, at least hes making movies unlike you dicks
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"It's going to be exactly like the original novel. It's going to be very contemporary and filled with action."
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.....has no idea who Jules Verne is. He is an asshole! The fact he calls himself McG proves he is a pretenious asshole! Terminator 4 wasn't bad. However, he should not be allowed to do Terminator 5. He has never directed a good movie. His movies are shit. The ONLY good thing he has ever done on film is to put Lucy Liu in a stripper outfit and then a dominatrix outfit.
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It had its flaws, but I liked it immensely more than T3. T2 is the best of the series in my opinion, followed by T4, T1, and T3 in last place. Even if you don't like T4, post-apocalyptic films are quite rare. The scenery reminded me of Fallout 3 too.
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Aug 10, 2009 1:16:42 PM CDT
Why post one more time about how it's not his name that we hate?
by hervoyel
I'll tell you why because he's got it completely backwards here. His name, or rather the stupid affectation he seems to be attached to isn't why we hate him. Obviously it's already been well covered that we hate him because he took T4 and he fucked up. There's no do-over with a franchise like this. You fucked up man and now you're going to pay the goddamn piper for it. His name is nothing more than the confirmation that he's as much of a self-centered shit stain as seems to be from his actions. Nobody hears his name and says "McG? What the fuck is that? I hate that guy!" Instead they hear his name and say "That sounds like one of those Hollywood people who think their "art" makes them more important than everybody else. Wonder if he's like that" and then you see his film and you think "Damn man, you fucked it up" and then you see his excuse and you can't fail to understand that your first impression of this guy was right. I didn't hate T4 but it wasn't right in the same way that T3 wasn't really "right". It was broken before a frame was ever shot by somebody who didn't understand what was needed. A bad caretaker screwed it up. You can look at Star Trek and hate the film but you can't deny that the guy who made it tried hard to make it what was needed. Abrahms tried to make the new/old Star Trek movie that the franchise required. Star Trek is an impossible minefield to navigate and get right compared to Terminator but Abrahms tried and clearly tried hard. I didn't love it and I didn't hate it but I saw the effort and the care he took. McG just cranked out a "cool" summer movie with all the care and thought that goes into a Police Acadamy movie. He didn't do that because his name is McG and we know it.
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yeah Tim Burton is So Down with TDK (COUGH) Bullshit! (cough) that hes STILL YEST TO SEE THE FILM DUMBASS! EPIC FAIL DO UR RESEARCH DICKHEAD!lol
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Aug 10, 2009 7:16:16 PM CDT
OSCARBOSS AHOLE i feel sorry with Losers with No Gfs Like u
by superwelling
you have no taste and are a fucking Moron for liking tdk. now bens over for nolan and bale like u do every week Homo!lol
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My bats VS Supes script would actually be watchable by humans. Not you retard mom in your basement!LMAO
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