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Peter Berg Tells Us What We Can Expect From His Adaptation Of DUNE...

Merrick here...
Peter Berg recently discussed how he's approaching his adaptation of DUNE.
Berg sees the story more as an epic adventure. "[The book] was much more muscular and adventurous, more violent and possibly even a little bit more fun," Berg said. "I think those are all elements of my experience of the book that can be brought in without offending the die-hard fans of the Bene Gesserit and Kwisatz Haderach. There's a more dynamic film to be made."
...Berg told SciFi Wire (why isn't that SyFy Wyre?) HERE. I think I get what Peter's saying; all previous interpretations of the material have been about as much fun as trip to the dentist's office on 9/11. There's a lot of adventure and action in DUNE - amping up the story's energy a bit probably wouldn't hurt, as long as Berg's adaptation understands/respects the intent of the source material. Lynch's film, as well as the SyFy miniseries (plural), were all wildly uneven as far as I'm concerned. Much to like about all of them, but none of them were out-of-the-park perfect. So, in my mind, there's still room here for someone to "get it right". By the way, if you're still waiting for Lynch's DUNE to be issued on Blu-Ray, I own the French release and it's not bad at all. Find it HERE. I don't speak French, but stumbling your way through the Amazon France site isn't too bad, and they delivered to the U.S. within a week or two of my order.

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  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Hope it's good

    by starmand

    Lynch is my favorite director but his version of Dune definitely leaves a lot to be desired.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Lynch's DUNE is cerebral and more focused on telling the story

    by Eye_H8_U

    What it isn't is some by the numbers Hollywood action flick. That's why it isn't as highly regarded by the sheeple.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I liked Lynchs Dune,well after the 11th viewing

    by ominus

    it was then when i figured out what the hell ,was going on in the movie.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Sting could still play the part

    by tiltandflip

    Has the guy aged at all?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Is this another miniseries or a theatrical film?

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Details, details. Oh if only some of the "journalists" here actually went to school to learn how to write a news article. *sigh*

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Lynche's Dune is fine...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    IF you look at, not so much, as a Dune adaption, but as a David Lynch Science fiction film. <P> I wish he'd make more of those. The genre suits him.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

    That Harrison also composed the score for George A. Romero's Creepshow, Day of the Dead and also Directed Tales from the Darkside The Movie?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I do love Dune...

    by DarthChimay

    ...with a passion. I'm a fanboy. I've read the book countless times. So please, Mr. Berg... fuck the source material. Just make a good movie.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    oh, and Bergs "muscular" comments...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    scares the shit out of me. <P> Unless he's just talking about the "Beast" Rabban. But if i see a buffed mentat I'm out.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    yea Lynchs Dune ain't perfect

    by CharyouTree

    but Im willing to bet it'll still be better than Bergs, who were the other directors attached for the remake? can any one remind me

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Wow, that's transparent...

    by Thrillhouse77

    "I'm Peter Berg - I'm going to say Bene Gesserit and Kwisatz Haderach just so that everyone knows I'm a fan of the books! I'm one of you! Until I juggfuckle this and you all lynch me.' That last part was a pun, by the way.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, noon CST

    Excuse the hell out of me BUT

    by johnnyangelheart

    David Lynch's Dune is hella fun.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    The set designs in Lynch's Dune.....

    by harrys_site_sucks

    are the worst. He had a good take on the book, but the look of the film? Ugh.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Lynch's DUNE...


    Obviously I am a huge Lynch fan. Dune is not my favorite Lynch film, but not as bad as some make it out to be. Never having read the books, it worked fine to me. A tecnological upgrade may not be a bad idea, The Lynch film does look a little dated.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    This version will be corporate sludge

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Do people seriously expect the director of The Kingdom to do a better job than the director of The Elephant Man? Lynch's movie was all about mood and texture, just like the book. The book is not a shoot 'em up, and you can bet that that's what the studio want, another 'franchise' to fuck around with. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Actually if i am not mistaken

    by ominus

    Lynch didnt want his name to have anything to do with his movie,and the director is credite as alan smithee.I dont know if that has changed since then.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach


  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's just the crappy TV version that has Alan Smithee credited as director. The theatrical version still has Lynch's name on it.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Best part of lynch's Dune...

    by Charlie_Allnut

    The production design - costumes, creatures, sets were spot on perfect. The casting was great.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune was like Snyder's Watchmen

    by Spandau Belly

    Lots of great stuff and impressively ambitious, but in the end it just doesn't completely gel for me.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Berg makes me think...


    they are looking for a shitty action based remake. The studios are always on the lookout for the next money-machine SF franchise. Hoping for the next Star Wars or LOTR franchise. Greedy, shameless bastards!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's exactly what the studios are after. This new Dune will be horrible. It's Peter Berg, hardly an inspired visual artist.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    man i ll never forget the heart-valve scene

    by ominus

    when that lardturd baron,kills the atreide doctors wife.i was a kind when i watched it,and it was very disturbing. <p>btw the westwood Dune 2 rts ,was the first rts i had ever played,and it was awesome.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Instead of remaking the first book

    by Eye_H8_U

    WTF don't they do anything w/ the follow ups? How many times do we need the original book remade anyway?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune

    by Aquatarkusman

    Just plunges headlong into the source material with barely any exposition. I recognized what I was seeing because I had read the book, but I'm sure it was disorienting without that foreknowledge.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The 2 miniseries were actually reall good

    by _V_

    the Miniseries were actually really good, and I don't see why there's so much need to complain ***the Lynch version, however, will forever remain "if you look up "flop" and "bad adaptation unfaithful to the source material" in a dictionary, you'll see a picture of this""

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Francesca Annis was the most amazing looking woman...

    by V'Shael

    Lynch's version had a lot going for it.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune is o.k.

    by sokitome

    but the fucking weirding modules were bullshit! Seriously talk about needlessly putting in action where it doesn't belong.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...SAAAAAA!!!<P>Some thoughts have sounds, my friends.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    The spice must flow

    by ominus

    damn i must read those books someday.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune

    by I am_NOTREAL

    was hilarious, perhaps intentionally, full of wacky Lynchisms, such as Pieter DeVries' ridiculous hand gestures when he's ordering the Sardaukar around (forgive the spelling, it's been awhile). Or maybe that was Brad Dourif's idea. Either way, man does that movie have a crazy hair up its ass. The marriage of Dune and David Lynch is one of those so off-the-wall ideas that you'd have to see to believe they really happened, but I just watched it about two months ago and, yeah, it really did. But I watched the first part of SciFi mini and it put me to sleep, so I can't really say it's "better." Maybe a straighter version of the story, but boring as hell. As crazy as Lynch's was, it sure wasn't boring.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    The mini-series were horrible. <p> Horrible.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Definitely read the original Dune. You won't regret it.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    We can expect cheesy video looking CGI

    by Orionsangels

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    seconded on the heart-valve.

    by flipster

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Matthew Martinez

    I hope that this time they actually cast actors who are age appropriate to play Paul, Chani and Feyd. (They're supposed to be somewhere between 16 and 20 years of age during the course of the story.) @Eye_H8_U, there are two reasons they don't adapt the other books, 1) none of the sequels (or prequels) are very good, and 2) while we geeks may know the story of the first book by heart, the general public does not and would therefore be completely lost. (Before you suggest that they could just go back and watch the previously existing adaptations, I must ask if you really think casual viewers would want to do homework in order to watch a movie. Not gonna happen.)

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune was a trainwreck.

    by Yamato

    Totally missed the whole point of the book. The use of religion for political purposes. Paul was not a messiah, he was playing a messiah. The whole "weirding" modals thing annoyed the crap out of me. The only thing Lynch got right was the "look" of the movie. The mini-series was even worse, the "look" was bloody aweful. I want to see body shields, I want to see knife and sword fights. Only out in the desert and in the final fight were shields not widely used. The Bene Witches were not superhumans either, just trained to peak of human ability. As you can tell, I'm a huge fan of the original book and was hugely disappointed by both adaptations so far.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune is dreadful.

    by DocPazuzu

    Fucking dreadful. Sure, I get a laugh out of it and admire the ambition behind it, but it's all so very wrong for many, many reasons. <p> As for the two mini-series, they were a hell of a lot more faithful, if a bit dull (maybe BECAUSE they were faithful), and I found the overall look of Children of Dune to be closest to what I had imagined when I read the books as a teenager. <p> There is still a very good chance that Berg's version will be the worst yet, and considering how heinous Lynch's Dune is, that will be quite a feat.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune was, indeed, a trainwreck

    by ravenloff

    Not even the revised version makes it watchable. The SyFy version was better in a number of ways. Why the hell Lynch decided to "invent" those stupid audio guns was perplexing, as was how he could EVER thought Alia's pathetic voiceover work was anything be high-school video quality.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by CarlThorMark1978

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    David Lynch's PWNE

    by MichelleRodrijizz

    Let's face it, giant fuckin worms?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Yamato and Pazuz are spot on

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    Lynch's travesty of a movie that was Dune has got to be one of the all-time worst abortions ever put on film.I mean seriously, I would place this thing on a par with Travolta's Battlefield Earth (which COULD have been a great movie, or better a mini-series, think what you want about that heinous nut Hubbard, but he was a hell of a science fiction writer). In any case, David Lynch should be spat and shat upon by any and all fans of Dune for his crimes.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I too really loved the look and feel of Lynch's Dune

    by Wingnut1A

    The problem was that there was 5 hours of story squeezed into 2 hours. I remember when it was released, a sheet was given out with each purchased ticket that tried to explain who the characters were and their relationship to each other. When you have to introduce characters before the movie even starts, it's gonna be trouble. <p> I hope they can get Toto to do music for the new one too =)

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    If the remaining members of Toto do the Soundtrack, I'm in...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    But I digress, the Dune books tend to be more political in nature than anything else, and it just isn't something that translates well to a visual medium. <p> The last epic movie that dealt with a lot of action intertwined with plotting, espionage, betrayal, twists, duplicity, and self-preservation was POTC 3--and I recall a LOT of people bitched about how confusing THAT movie was.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    It's all about THE HIDDEN

    by MichelleRodrijizz

    MacLachlan's finest hour. FUCK Dune.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Wingnut1A...agreed, Lynch's look was perfect.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    by Wingnut1A

    I certainly liked the look of the Bene Gesserit in Lynch's movie than in the mini-series. In the Sci-Fi series, they looked like they were wearing bridesmaids dresses.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    by Wingnut1A

    Pretty much the only thing I liked better in the mini-series was the look of the worms themselves. Sean Young sure was hot back then. In Dune and Blade Runner... damn.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I'll get behind any DUNE that......

    by Playkins

    ...FINALLY gets the age of Paul correct. He's in his young teens (I think actually 12 in the beginning of the book). He is not in his early-20s. This is key, it's part of why the Fremen initially underestimate him then come to think of him as a wunderkind. It's just one little detail that NEEDS to be correct.<P> Other than that, I quite enjoyed both the Lynch movie and Sci-Fi miniseries. The movie nailed the look, and the miniseries came SO CLOSE to nailing the story.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    You can't improve on Lynch's production design...

    by blackmantis

    I find it impossible to read the book without seeing his vision. But the storytelling was too rushed. Make it three movies. If Back to the Future got three movies, it's the least you can do for Herbert's masterpiece.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Absolutely right, blackmantis!

    by Wingnut1A

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Re: "His name has become a killing word!"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I look at Lynch's DUNE the same way I look at Kubrick's THE SHINING: likely the best movie to be made from the source material by a "real" director, even if it's not all that faithful to the book(s). The overall look and feel of Lynch's DUNE captures Herbert's imagery and certainly felt epic, even if it went off in a million crazy directions. How the hell else could you have adapted THAT BOOK into a two or three hours movie?!? Without changing pretty much every line of dialogue to regular English and condensing every plotline and character into something that pandered to the audience. Harrison's minseries was a lot more faithful to the book -- so was Mick Garris' THE SHINING miniseries. And yet, neither one is really gonna stand the test of time like their cinematic counterparts. And the less said about the "Children Of Dune" miniseries, the better. Talk about a bunch of extremely wasted opportunities ...!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Is this going to be multiple movies?

    by dr sauch

    This better be split into multiple movies. Look at Watchmen. Snyder got it perfect, but even at 3 hours he couldn't fit it in. Imagine if we had 6 or 8 hours of Watchmen? Split it up, and make it right.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Will there be a cow tongue eating slob?

    by spiceybiscuit

    Again, another remake, yawn

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Prequel Dune books were great!

    by Rolling_Stone

    How about just starting at the beginning with the Butlerian Jihad?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    by juwamba

    I wouldn't mind seeing other Dune adaptations using the art direction of Lynch's Dune. His interpretation of cymeks would be awesome.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by MichelleRodrijizz

    kicked ass. I heard dino de laurentis shits the bed.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    "...trip to the dentist's office on 9/11."

    by The Dum Guy

    Why would that be so bad?<br><br>If you got laughing gas and didn't know what the fuck was going on in NYC, I'd say that'd better than most people's experiences on 9/11 (or do you just mean the date itself, like 9/11/09?)

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Dune was boring, I'm glad he's taking this angle.

    by ganymede3010

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I love Lynch

    by la_sith

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune

    by Mazzer

    ...had a lot of good stuff and I still enjoy it, but there were two problems from my perception of it: (1) It seemed to spend about half the movie covering the first 10 percent of the book, so all the rest of the story is just glossed over and rushed.(2) I had my visual expectations set by the paperback cover art of the 70s, with its vividly colorful deserts occupied with exotic Fremen in Arab-like garb... so the Lynch look seemed drab and gothic by comparison.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Sorry...I love Lynch's DUNE

    by la_sith

    I saw the movie as a kid (and before reading the book) and had that similar feeling I had when I saw BLADE RUNNER. I loved the look of it, but couldn't understand what the fuck was going on. After a friend explained the Dune plot, I was hooked. I then read the original book and loved Lynch's version even more. While it has certain flaws, I think it's a highly underrated sci-fi flick, and I think it's far better than that piece of shit mini-series (I have never seen worse FX). I think this Berg version is doomed. It will cop to making it an action story, and it is not based in that. Dune is highly cerebral, and way to heady for someone like him. I could see Aronofsky or someone handling it, but not Berg. And for those who question why the other books aren't made into films, have you ever read GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE? More than half of the book is the pontificating of Leto II (Paul Atreides son), who is 3,500 years old and is morphing into a sandworm. So yeah, not really filmable.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Dune by Lynch is terrible.

    by Wrecks

    But amazingly fantastic! One of my favortie films.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune on HD-DVD

    by Zardoz

    Got it cheap and it never looked better!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by captainalphabet

    somebody needed to say it - someone should STILL let this nutjob make DUNE! that said, i'll be interested in Berg's Dune - read all the original books this year and enjoyed em greatly. Love Lynch but his movie's a mess. The SiFi mini was dull and looked like a 'Command&Conquer' cutscene. Will be nice to see this made with full studio CGI & action budget... just don't forget the deeper themes!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Sith, they said Watchmen was unfilmable...

    by Rolling_Stone

    ....and they were right.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by captainalphabet

    was my favorite book and should totally be filmed! would be meandering, philosophical, awesome and epic. would make no money.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Berg should call up H.R. Giger, Moebius & Jodorowski...

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    ...and buy all of their production design work for the aborted '70s version. <p>They'll never, ever top Lynch's Dune tho. That had one of the greatest casts of all time and imperfect but VERY INTERESTING production design. <p>So what we can expect from Berg's Dune is: mild interest, vague disappontment when it comes out and finally decades of it being mentioned as an afterthought while discussing Lynch's film.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Watchmen was unfilmable but...

    by Eye_H8_U

    was still more enjoyable than 90% of the films released last year!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Fun and adventurous?

    by SuperKeeg

    Really, Mr. Berg? Have you read the book? It is actually very much neither of those things.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    David Lynch's DUNE is flawed but still a great movie

    by SpyGuy

    The entire visual look, from the sets to the costume design, is brilliant as opposed to the first Sci Fi miniseries that looked like cheap community theater. And although Lynch's version is over the top at times, just about every line is quotable with a lasting, epic score to make it all click. <p>The only thing the miniseries has going for it is the expanded role of Irulan. Otherwise, you're left with extremely lame versions of Emperor Shaddam and Gurney and Bene Gesserit costumes that look like they're ready to go parasailing.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    the movie that introduced me to Virginia Madsen and the stirring in my loins that her presence produced.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    oh lord

    by LegoKenobi

    they are gonna try to inject some michael bay type shit into this, aren't they? ugh.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    the thopters

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    better have flapping wings.<p>alls i gots to say.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    this thread is just gong to be...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Lynch VS mini-series.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    It "gong" to get crazy up...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    in here

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Dune is unfilmable...

    by TheWaqman

    And fuck Peter Berg. If David Lynch can't get it right, how can this noob? Go make SuckCock 2

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

    you all love it. eat it up and spit it out.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Sardaukar were a big let down for me

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I liked the movie but when I read the books I imagined the Sardaukar as much more bad ass than what Lynch showed. Hopefully, Berg will do better.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    He has a great John Houseman name!

    by MetiphisLabs

    How can I help you MR. BERRRRG

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Also Watchmen was shit...

    by TheWaqman

    calling that enjoyable is like calling an enema a relaxing procedure.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by Wrath4771

    Granted I was fairly young and never read the books, but yes, after the 11th viewing of the film I also said, "Ooooooooohhhhhh," and then I liked the film.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Peter Berg has yet to make a good movie

    by JohnRyder

    Lets hope it will be DUNE. I don't know which director should be attached to this project to make me happy. Maybe Ridley Scott. Or McG.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Casting Paul should be a breeze...

    by MCVamp

    Paul is supposed to be disarmingly small and soft-looking. Almost every leading actor that's come along in the past five years has that pretty-boy wimp look. when does Shia's name get tossed about?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    ZombieHeathLedger, Re: Sardukar...

    by MCVamp

    Yeah, the Sardukar were REALLY disappointing in Lynch's Dune. Oooooh, coveralls and welder's masks. I'm soooo scared. Anyway, just to add my two cents, the greatest science fiction book of the past 100 years does deserve a LotR-faithful type of treatment. However, LotR was let be because of the fantasy element, which studio types consider something that they don't really get, "but maybe there's an audience." However, they ALL think they know sci-fi because they saw Transformers and Men in Black and the tweens eat that shit up. Therefore, they will stick their limp dicks into DUNE and FUCK IT UP.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    "Many directors have tried to film Dune."

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    "They tried and failed?" "They tried and died."

  • The Characters in those books are even more intriguing and interesting. I know it's impossible because you need the back story but I think they are the best of the series along with God Emperor.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Dune vs Lawrence of Arabia

    by Chesterfield Slacks

    When you read Dune, the impression of a desert, of the absolute dryness of the planet makes you drink water all day. Lawrence of Arabia gives you that feeling too. Lynch's Dune felt like it was shot at night in an air-conditioned fashion mall club. Completely missed the point of how precious water was.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by Wingnut1A

    lol great name =D

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Peter Berg's Dune

    by AsimovLives

    How is this clown make this movie? Will he do for Dune what Jar Jar Abrams did for Star Trek, the complete dumbification and stupidification of a once hallowed SF classic?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The Dune Productions Have Been Slow Paced...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and self important??? They forgot to have fun when they made the David Lynch film version of Dune, and even the Dune Mini series on SyFy??? Any new Dune films need to add a healthy sense of humor that is organic to the the humor found in real life. Also, there needs to be a sweeping romance, one that you can feel--the kind that makes the heart yearn. And the heroics, have to actually feel heroic, and that means an increase in action, and not just any action, but stylized action, that makes a mark as a definable series of iconic film moments--ala, the first time we saw the famous scroll crawling up the screen in Star Wars which led to the Star Destroyer race over head in pursuit of the rebel ship? Or how about the first time we met Darth Vader in Star Wars? He lifted a man off of his feet and into the air by his neck--kills him, and tosses his dead body aside like a rag doll. Or how about the Deathstar Trench Battle scene in Star Wars, or the Light Saber duel, or even the Tie Fighter attack on the Millenium Falcon?<BR><BR>Next, let's look at The Empire Strikes Back. Empire gave us...the Imperial Walker battle scene, and the asteriod battle scenes. These are all iconic images, the likes of which have been missing in all of the Dune productions to this date??? We have been missing moments of pure unadulterated and ballsy awe...that dare to take our collective breaths away--images that we as audiences have never seen before...but race to discuss with others afterward, our friends, families, and lovers. Images that we will stand in line to see, again, and again--happy to purchase tickets, and create repeat box office just to participate in the experience once more!!! Dune needs that...and, faster pacing for the story. We need moments that make us want to cheer, and root for our hero(es)...that make us want to laugh loudly, joyfully screaming for our lives, and hold onto our seats-- moments that make us cry, or want to fall in love--that's what Star Wars had...and Empire--that's what Raiders of The Lost Ark had, and all the greatest movies have, and had, that special something that speaks to our spirits and makes us glad that you are alive--a cinematic rollercoaster ride--that elusive "Wow Factor", that Spielberg use to talk about. Well, that is what Dune needs--and all of the things missing from the previous Dune productions...missing ingredients that can make this new attempt at a Dune franchise, a real, and iconic, hit!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by MCVamp

    The Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson DUNE prequels are damn near unreadable. They took a backstory full of intrigue and mystique crafted by a master of subtle storytelling and turned it into a cliched, derivative fanfic. Which didn't surprise me, because the Kevin Anderson STAR WARS novels did the same thing, and they ended up driving me completely out of the "Expanded Universe."

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    It is by will alone that I set my mind in motion

    by ebonic_plague

    It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, that lips acquire stains, that stains become a warning, it is through will alone that I set my mind in motion. <p> I know the Lynch version is a shitty adaptation, but it's so wonderfully weird that I don't care if it's cheesy or slow at times. If they end up doing this remake, the one thing I hope they maintain is that sense of weirdness.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Oh let's make Dune "Muscular"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    God, did Berg get remarried to Trish from The Last Seduction. A muscular Dune would be even more flamboyant than Sting in a diaper from Lynch's. What are we going to do, have Triple H and the Rock running around the desert in speedos fighting each other while Giant Worms pop up?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    nice to see I'm not the only one who owns, and frequently watches 'The Hidden' lol

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Peter Berg = Brett Ratner, but pretentious

    by m_reporter

    At least the Rat is aware of his hackishness.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I agree about the point about the value of water

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    A very small scene in the novel that has always stuck with me was that the wealthy people would spill glasses of water on the floor on purpose just because they were so rich they could be so wasteful of this most precious commidity and their servants would hurriedly come by and soak it up so they could keep the water for themselves. Nice touch, that.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    How about Ridley Scott?

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Of course he's attached to about a billion projects right now, but give the guy who was originally going to direct it back in the 70's a shot. I'm sure it would be better than what will amount to Watchment pt.2 (a film so true to the source material that it will turn off non-fans, and deviating just enough to piss off the fans).

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Lynch=visuals, SciFi=understandable story

    by VAwitch

    I love both, though for different reasons. I found Lynch's "Dune" to look much as I'd imagined things to be after reading the book. However, it's confusing storyline-wise - especially for those who haven't read the book. <P><P>On the other hand, SciFi's miniseries was easier to understand but visually made me want to laugh or hurl (flying nuns anyone? and wrong haircolors for main characters).<P><P>Here's to hoping Berg gets it either somewhere in the middle or even better!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    This is like Brett Ratner doing Red Dragon

    by Samuel Fulmer

    A director forcing a project because he thinks the original film wasn't close enough to the book. The only time that turned out well was Carpenter with The Thing. I'm sure there are a lot more Manhunter fans then Red Dragon ones.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I nominate Michael Mann for DUNE.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And instead of Toto, he can use Moby and Lisa Gerrard for the soundtrack!<P>CHHHHHHAAAAAAAA...<P> ...SAAAAAA!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Will it be better than Hancock?????

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Michael Mann's Dune

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Filmed with shitty HD cameras. Can't wait!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The Hidden had also that great blond babe

    by ominus

    who played the female commanding officer in Babylon 5.And ofc Maclachlan was in fact giving the same persona in his fbi agent character in the movie,as the one he did in Twin Peaks.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I love Dune. Fuck Dune.

    by Duck of Death

    I speak as a Dune/Frank Herbert fanboy who has read the entire series at least six or seven times when I say that I think Berg is right to focus on action/adventure in his adaptation. The fact is, Dune is such a cerebral novel, in which much of the "action" takes place in the form of internal monologues, conversations, unspoken observations, and subtle gestures, that I think it is basically unfilmable. The only element of the story that does translate to film is the surface level epic of Paul's rise to power. Sure, focusing on that and calling it "Dune" basically shits on the face of Frank Herbert's moldering corpse -- although I think Herbert would merely be amused by the idea of taking the aspect of the story that he was most cynical about and making it the centerpiece of a movie -- but I'd much rather see that than yet another failed attempt to incorporate the intellectual depth of Herbert's book into an action flick. Ditch the chatter and give us awesome sandworm footage.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    How about rename it Dunecock

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Will Smith for Paul!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    If its unfilmable

    by ominus

    then dont fucking film it.But as someone correctly said earlier,Holywood is just trying to create new franchises from already established franchises in other mediums.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by Duck of Death

    The more I think about it, the more apparent it is to me that in the Dune series there is the makings of a Godfather-style epic: Dune corresponding to Godfather 1 -- the Duke = Vito Corleone, Paul = Michael; and Dune Messiah/Children of Dune paralleling Godfather Part II. I'd love to see a trilogy along these lines, culminating with God Emperor of Dune as the conclusion of the "Golden Path" arc. Naturally, this will never, ever happen, but I'd sure plunk down my $9 to see it.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    or they could just make a teen comedy out of it.

    by ominus

    <p>-dude whats this red stuff? <p>-oh,its called the spice. <p>-spice? is it used for cooking? <p>-oh no,it isnt like is used for other more important things,like deep space travel. <p>-cool.and where does it come from? <p>-worm shit.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    "Sandworms! You hate'em, right? I hate'em, too!"

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Beetlegeuse! Beetlegeuse! Beetlegeuse!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Peter Berg's Mac and Me reimagineboot

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Berg sees the story more as an epic adventure. "[The original idea] was much more muscular and adventurous, more violent and possibly even a little bit more fun," Berg said. "I think those are all elements of my experience that can be brought in without offending the die-hard fans of the Mac and the Me. There's a more dynamic film to be made."

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Go for it, Berg.

    by spaceworlder

    Dune needs a kick ass film adaptation.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Make it so

    by Alientoast

    The best part of the Lynch movie was the fact Captain Picard rides around on a giant worm destroying stuff with his VOICE

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Michael Mann's Dune (continued...)

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Al Pacino as Baron Harkonnen:<P>"I just had spice-coffee with Maud'dib HALF AN HOUR AGO!!!"

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune

    by ufoclub1977

    Had a very strong attitude and mood that was "sleeper awakening" for me as far as potential artistic muscle in genre cinema as wee lad. Other's in this category ... Excalibur, Cat People, Brimstone and Treacle

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    bread and butter

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Lynch's dune was not that hard to follow


    I haven't read the book and I found it easy enough to follow. It doesn't seem that complicated. Stock story about an eventual Messiah fulfilling the prophecy kind of thing, right?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Kwisatzhaderach does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kwisa - at last I know where your unpronounceable name came from!<p> After you see this movie please tell me if Berg has offended you.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Unless this is made into a trilogy, it will suck

    by Sithdan

    You can't cram a 600-page novel into a two-hour movie. It doesn't work. The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is the definitive cinematic adaptation of Dune. Let's move on to God Emperor, not another rehash of the first book.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Excalibur... yeah!

    by Wingnut1A

    Maybe John Boorman could make a great Dune?!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Great post, spot on!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I will!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I saw Lynch's Dune in the cinema

    by kwisatzhaderach

    when I was an impressionable 10 year old and it blew me away. It opened a whole new world to me. Fantastic sound and imagery, what cinema should really be all about.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Picard in Dune

    by ebonic_plague

    "Behold! As a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work!" <p> I try to end every meeting at work with that line.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    Dune was never intended to be Sf as Flash Grodon, but to be Sf as important literature. Dune is the type of SF book that help brough literay respectability to the SF genre. It made people outside of fanzine notice that SF could also be a genre where important themes could be portaited in the SF genre. That SF could be important, intelligent and extremely good.<br><br>For all it's flaws Lynch's Dune respects the book in all those important and more literay nature.<br><br>Peter Berg's movie, however, i'm affraid it will just use the book as an excuse to blow shit up, show off a lot of CGI, and shoot massive very expesive blattle sceens in shaky-cam that makes nobody understand what the fuck is going on. and all major characters will be emo anoying fucks. Say goodbye to intelligence and subtlery and say hello to the new Dawson Trek.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I've never heard of Flash Grodon

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    But I really want to see it, whatever the fuck it is.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Ridley scott was once attatched to direct Dune. He even did some pre-production and script work for it for a whole year. But he left the project and did Blade Runner instead. Lynch took over after Scott's departure.<br><br>Ridley Scott was also once attatched to direct Conan The Barbarian before John Milius was hired.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I was talking of the Flash Gordon of the old 40s serials, which it iss apt to bring up in coment to Dune, a book which was first published, serialized in a SF magazine in the early 60s, in that back then and in the minds of the vast majority of thea mainstream public, and evne on many Sf fans, Sf was merely space adventures like Flash Gordon. Dune was one of the SF works that brough literay respectability to the genre. That was happening in the 60s, due to many inteligent and well read writers were writing SF that was both inovative, ambitious, thoughful and intelligent stories writen with great skill.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I also saw Lynch's Dune in the theaters back in the day, and yes, the sound in that movie was beyond compare. In true, all Lynch's movies have great sound design. The man is far ahead of anybody else in regard to the use of sound in movies. Today, mainstream movies are suing the type of sound design that Lynch was already using in Eraserhead. Lynch is ahead of everybody else regarding sound by 20 years, at least. Nobody does sound better then Lynch. And this is no iidle boast, Lynch himself DESIGNES the sound of his movies, even on Dune, check out the end credits. The man designed, himself, the sound of all his movies he made. The man is a genious.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored


  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    McGooCain & AsimovLives

    by kwisatzhaderach


  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    When Sardaukar meet Fremen

    by Shitzngiggs

    for the first time in combat should be staged as one of the greatest fight sequences on film. Also, yeah, God Emperor was a good read but how the fuck are they going to film it if they decided? Leto II is a fucking 30 foot worm/man. I'm not even sure Herbert knew exactly what he would look like. Also, was Michael Bolton in Lynch's Dune as an extra?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Syfy Mini-Series

    by Kikstad

    Yeah I enjoyed the two Dune mini-series on Sci-Fi Chhannel too (now Syfy, how annnoying)

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    And sand, lots and lot of sand.

    by cookylamoo

    As is usual in fiction, Dune lost me when the hero became a giant worm.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    John Hughes has died and so does my inner 80's childhood.

    by eric haislar


  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    john Huges just died

    by Dr.DirtyD

    by the way.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Life goes by pretty quick...

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    that's a fact

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    did he stop to look around?

    by Dr.DirtyD

    or did he miss it?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune

    by Omar B

    Was in my opinion one of the ugliest movies ever made. Which is weird because at times it because quite gorgeous. I was disappointed in the truncated version of the story, the ornathopters not flapping, folding space looked like crap. But the Harkonen home world looked awesome. When I wasted Quantom Of Solace and there were those underground lakes, it made me think of what they should have looked like. I just hope a movie finally gets it right from the characters age perspective, the technology (we can do CGI stuff that fits the descriptions) and the political machinations outside of Peter's rebellion.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    @Matthew Martinez

    by wato

    The sequels weren't very good? Have you read them? Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were amazing. Granted, God Emperor of Dune was drudgery, but even Heretics had its moments. I love the Lynch version even with its bizarre digressions from the original text. It captures a feel and a mood that exists in the books. And the set design still bore the touches of when Giger was doing design work on one of the earlier attempts at filming. I thought it was great. The Dune mini-series was technically correct but lacked the spirit that the Lynch version replicated well. The Dune Messiah/Children of Dune mini-series was great and I thought it tackled Paul’s existential issues well and Leto’s “Golden Path” even better. But I grant that the “Gold Path” can at times be so impenetrable that if a viewer hasn’t read the book it’s a difficult task for any filmmaker to convey clearly.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Dune is frightening and violent...

    by zinc_chameleon

    the world-building behind and above the characters is cerebral; not the lives they lead. I have the original 1964 Analog illustrated serial issues, and the wood-cut work is all about stabbings and poisonings. Pain is a currency in the world of Dune; torture is normal as conversation. Lynch hinted at this, SciFi couldn't dare go there. There's lots of dynamism and terror in the original work.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I love Lynch

    by Mattyboy122

    He's easily one of our greatest living filmmakers. But Dune, along with Wild at Heart and Inland Empire, represent the bottom of his creative barrel, so to speak. Watching Dune is almost like experiencing vertigo for 2 hours; the film's production was so out of control that it bleeds into the picture. Then again, I don't expect much from Peter Berg, either.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    And then came Lucas and destroyed scifi genre

    by ominus

    with his star wars i wrong? <p>as great and sfx revolutionary as they were these movies,they did more harm in the scifi genre than good. <p>just when scifi was going to become for good a serious literature/cinema genre,respected by critics and public,then came star wars and now when u mention the word scifi to the average joe,he will immediately think of lasers,magic powers and gay robots.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    john Huges is dea

    by Dr.DirtyD

    that's a fact

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    He's also Doa

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Dune For Dummies...

    by RoaringInYourCleavage

    So, this sounds like Transfuckers, and the amazingly forgettable Star Trek reboot; Remove any reference to what might cause the audience problems in terms of having to think too hard, and GET STRAIGHT TO THE LABORIOUSLY PREVIZED ACTION SEQUENCES! Oh, and did I mention that this novel is completely unfilmable? I'll catch up with this one in another life, cheers all the same..

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I too had no faith in Berg... until Virtuality

    by Calico Pete

    Never saw Friday Night Lights, but his other work never impressed me till Virtuality. If he's got a great script that has the court intrigue, the grasp of fanaticism, of ecology, and the strangeness of the Dune universe, I think he'll succeed. It's got to be 2001, not 2010 (the movies).

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    not that I don't like 2010...

    by Calico Pete

    I liked it. But it was just too pedestrian to be great. It didn't feel epic enough on a filmmaking level.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Lynch seems fine with his DUNE.

    by Grooveraider

    ominus - "Lynch didnt want his name to have anything to do with his movie,and the director is credite as alan smithee.I dont know if that has changed since then." I dunno, it seems Lynch was okay with autographing my special aluminum DVD casing of DUNE.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Baron Harkonnen

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    Ian McNeice rocked as Harkonnen in the miniseries. That is all.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Weirding modules / Sound design

    by Zenslinger

    Everyone who has mentioned Lynch's sound design as an important and overlooked feature of his work is spot on. We're often terrified by an abstract image in Lynch (say, a horse appears in a suburban living room) and we don't consciously know why. It's the sound effects. The weirding modules take a lot of flak. In the book (and the Lynch film), the Fremen are taken aback by Paul and Jessica's martial arts abilities and refer to them as the Weirding Way (the idea perhaps was implanted in them as part of the Missonoria Protectiva). Lynch's screenplay (which Herbert helped with, somewhat) uses the modules to combine and give a visual shorthand and plot representation to several different themes from the book as part of the effort to condense it. For one, they represent the idea that the Atreides troops were becoming good enough to challenge the Sardukar because the Duke was employing these superior ("Weirding") training techniques -- a lighter version of the Bene Gesserit training Paul was receiving. This was part of the reason the Emperor feared the Duke. Thus, when we see them on a shelf on fire in the attack on the Atreides, we get some notion that he's knocked the Atreides out before they can knock him out. Then, when Paul teaches the Fremen to use them, the modules represent how he combines their inherent toughness and battle skill with his more refined techniques, both in hand-to-hand and military techniques. Then, Lynch tacks the religion-as-politics theme that already existed in the book to the Weirding Module amalgamation he created by having the Fremen warrior accidentally say "Muad'Dib" into his module's mic. In the years I've been watching the movie, the line "My name is a killing word" has transformed for me from an awkward "that isn't in the book!" moment to a triumph of screenwriting skill. I don't care for the idea of a Dune that tries too much to be an action movie. CGI isn't going to help this effort if it lacks the cohesive vision of Lynch's effort. Hopefully, he's got a take on it, and has the balls and the backing to stick to it, and we get something interesting. I'm not optimistic. I'm not even optimistic it will get off the ground. Paul is 15 years old at the beginning of the book.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    No - because Star Wars belongs to the mythological fantasy genre, not sci-fi. At the very least it is space opera, and there's nothing wrong with that. <p>Hard sci-fi was never a big draw with the public at any time, even in the 70's. Films like Silent Running, Logan's Run, THX 1138, Solyent Green, etc. were stil fairly niche - Planet of the Apes and 2001 were about the biggest and even they weren't huge grossers that would make sci fi either a mainstream, cross-demographic genre, or enough to make the more 'serious' side of the genre take root in the public imagination, or make it 'respectable' to elitist critics.<p>So, no, I think the accusations thrown at Star Wars are completely unfair - the mass audience has always preferred lasers and space battles, and it's not hard to see why - it's simply more accessible, and even more fun (purist, Asimov-type sci-fi is definitely an acquired taste).

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST


    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Dune would never have been made if it wasn't for the success of Star Wars.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    The Smithee version of Dune is claustrophobic.

    by Dingbatty

    The sets abound with low, low ceilings, and when the characters are outside, the camera frame grazes their heads and their feet. It makes it difficult to watch.<p>Arrakis should seem huge and daunting.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    The BEST 'Dune' movie was never released....

    by Cervantes

    Having sourced a copy of the 'DUNE:THIRD STAGE EDITION' fanedit, it pains me to say that having seen all the awesome original unseen footage (not perfect quality unfortunately) that these guys have sourced and re-incorporated, that I now realise just how badly truncated the versions were that we ended up with.... This version is a FAR more epic cut that has some terrific moments that should absolutely have remained. If only this particular edit had been released theatrically at the time, this movie would have seemed a LOT more 'even' and satisfying overall... Search it out and see for yourselves. And that Brian Eno 'prophecy' theme remains timeless.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Get it Right?

    by ColorsFade

    As far as I'm concerned, Lynch did get it right. The extended, 3-and-a-half-hour version is just about perfect. I love the cast, the set design, the costume design, the sound editing and even the soundtrack rock. I've read Dune about 10 times (and the entire series about four times). I don't know what Berg thinks he can do to improve Lynch's version. Make it longer? Well, as long as he doesn't do a total butcher-hack-job like the SciFi channel did... Man, that sucked.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Brian Eno's Prophecy Theme - one of the greatest pieces of movie music ever, just captures the desert and all the themes of the book. Beautiful.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by Matthew Martinez

    Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were decent, but I wouldn't call them amazing. I did, however, feel that the Children of Dune mini-series was outstanding and managed to make me appreciate the story in a way I didn't think possible. (I only wish that whatever alignment of the heavens that allowed it to work so well had been in place for the first mini-series. Oh, well.)<p>I didn't like one bit of God Emperor. Heretics was better, but all I could think of was how much better the first one was. I gave up partway through Chapterhouse because I just couldn't bring myself to care anymore. To be fair, I haven't read any of the prequels save a couple chapters of House Atreides, but the general consensus seems to be that they're not great.</p>

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by Cervantes

    The 'DUNE:THIRD STAGE EDITION' spits on the face of the likes of the TV version travesty.... This is the ultimate cut of Lynch's 'Dune' as it SHOULD have been shown.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I welcome another crack at Dune

    by OutlawsDelejos

    The Lynch version was far too disjointed

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I don't mind the pacing in DUNE

    by Logan_1973

    Slow and all space travel. Reminded me of 2001.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Dune Needs A Sense Of Wonderment

    by Media Messiah

    Like the scene in E.T. when the kids fly on their bikes, just when you thnk they are captured. Dune is missing that kind of magic. That golly gee wiz feeling...and that is what Berg needs to inject...something that is joyfully transporting to the mind and soul.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by Sephiroid

    Supposing they make the movie and it catches on... If they make sequels, how the hell are they gonna make God-Emperor into a movie?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives: George Lucas Took Dune And Made Star Wars

    by Media Messiah

    Star Wars was inspired by many sources including Dune, and Space Cruiser Yamato, Dam Busters, and even the original Kung-Fu TV series...among others, but George Lucas' biggest inspiration was his then wife, who challenged him to write a movie with the import of great feeling and empathy in it. She said up until then, his films were emotionally distant. Lucas took that to heart, and took her challenge to break from a then fad in filmmaking which led filmmakers to create emotionally sterile, and vacant films...and he created Star Wars to prove to his wife, and himself, that he could create a film with great emotion and deep empathy. That is all I am really asking from the new Dune and its makers. David Lynch's Dune was sterile, self aware, emotionally distant, slow, overlong, uninventive, and at points, bland, sloppy, and just plain embarrassing, when it could have been so much more. The Lynch Dune felt like an uneven and experimental student film...with a blockbuster budget.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Yes, Lynch's Dune lacked heart...

    by Flexfill

    But it is visually striking. The HD-DVD looks better than any version before it. Interested to see this storied "Third Stage Edition" - perhaps in HD if possible.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by cloudrider`

    i seconded the poster above.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Let Peter Jackson make DUNE

    by PinkFloyd7

    Peter Berg should be directing the next "Porky's" movie, not FUCKING "DUNE". Give it to a REAL DIRECTOR!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    "Will you bring us peace?" "No I will bring you victory."

    by SID 8.0

    Liked the miniseries way better than the Lynch movie. I'll ask the same question many of you have asked. Do we need another version?

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    ...about as much fun...

    by doober187

    "...about as much fun as trip to the dentist's office on 9/11." It's funny you should say that... My cousin who worked inside the WTC had a dentist's appointment the morning of 9/11. He's alive because of it. And I'm NOT JOKING. I'm not offended, I just found it funny.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    turdontherun i agree...

    by iwasredempted

    didn't lucas himself describe star wars as a space opera not science fiction?<br> but as a huge star wars fan and geek, also a prequel apologist, i will say that star wars had a negative effect on the general public's expectations for the scifi genre on film. for example the classic larry niven book "protector", a fantastic book, would be totally ruined if someone like berq made it more muscular to appeal to a mass audience.

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    but a book like dune can be muscular and intelligent..

    by iwasredempted

    just don't toss the political undercurrent of all the factions. the bene gesserit invented the messiah as a self preservation mechanism. the whole take on religion in dune was the best. also the selective breeding they undertook is also great. lynch's version completely dropped the ball on the bene gesserit, in my opinion.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Dune, fun? Muscular, dynamic?

    by i.baronvladimir

    All right, fuckers, prepare yourselves.<p>Where's my pug?!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Plots within plots within plots

    by Crobran

    That's one of the key elements of the Dune novels, and that will be difficult to convert to a movie that won't leave people who haven't read the books scratching their heads. The Harkonnens, the Atreides, the Guild, and especially the Bene Geserit all had these intricate and really long term plans playing out and Paul acquired the ability to see what they were all doing, where they'd all wind up, and how to manipulate things as he saw fit. Zenslinger's right, while Lynch didn't do much with the religion as politics theme, he did do a good job of compressing lots of the bigger elements of the book into something smaller and more filmable. And for all of these years I thought I was the only person who loved the Lynch film...I do wish Peter Jackson would have taken a page from Lynch's book when he made LOTR. It's like he used a cheap vocoder effect on his computer for the scary voices in LOTR. The Voice and the sounds of the weirding modules in Lynch's dune were awesome, even by today's standards.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Lynch's was fun...

    by Citizen Sane

    ... but a bit campy (even hokie). The miniseries was dreadfully thick, heavy, boring and full of itself; just like the books. After how well The Kingdom turned out, I hold a remote hope that Berg will bring his best game to this one.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    It would take another decade...

    by Citizen Sane

    ...before Peter Jackson could get to a Dune epic with all that is on his plate now.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    if they are going to make another dune movie

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    then i guess they might as well just make a "muscular" ie blockbuster version of it since i have no idea how a real adaptation of it would ever work. I like Lynchs, mostly just for the crazyness of it all and the soundtrack but it really isn't dune to me. the "syfy" version was lame as hell although in some ways more faithful to the book. i guess if they have to make it i wouldn't be averse to a movie that is a religious/political thriller of sorts with an epic final battle where paul and the fremen attack on the backs of sandworms. and whoever was dissing shaky cam up there in a previous post, i can imagine some pretty sweet fremen desert ambushes filmed in shaky cam. it kinda sounds awesome. i think shaky cam would convey the chaos of being ambushed in the middle of the desert by the ultimate ruthless desert commandoes.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson is not a great director

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Certainly nowhere near Lynch. Keep his paws far away from Dune. And Peter Berg's too!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It was Coppola that said to Lucas after THX that he should try and make a warmer film with characters people could relate to. Hence American Graffiti.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    @Media Messiah : George Lucas' inspiration.

    by V'Shael

    Good god man. George Lucas was not inspired by :<br> Dune,<br> Space Cruiser Yamato, <br> Dam Busters, <br> or the Kung-Fu TV series<br> <p> It was based on (if not a remake of ) The Hidden Fortress. It's one of the most well documented things in movie history. Anything else is just ret-con fanwanking or the bittered musings of people who can't tell an archetype from a unique plot point.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    but this movie doesnt need to be made

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    I'm perfectly happy to just re read the books if I need a dune fix. Another movie is pointless, unless vin diesel plays Paul and david twohy directs and they escalate all that badass shit they did in chronicles of riddick.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Another shitty DUNE movie?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Don't the four fucking other ones tell you we don't need it?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    vin diesel with a crysknife spilling blood on the sand

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    and a budget of at least 300 million dollars so they can accurately capture their vision and maybe make a whole new mythology about how paul isn't the kwistaz haderach but the last member of a race with special harkonen killing powers extinguished by the harkonens and the bene gesserit long ago predicted that he would kill the baron and rule the galaxy. oh yeah and no more still suits, just tank tops and raver goggles on all the fremen.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    but bring stewart back as gurney

    by martinlutherkrangjr

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I think Peter Berg is...

    by Fortunesfool

    telling us, he has no clue how to direct an intelligent sci-fi film so this will be Dune with Shaky-cam and ADD editing. That is 'Berg' for 'exciting'.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    I chose Lynch's Dune on HD-DVD - here's why

    by JoeSixPack

    Because I was one of those suckers who bought an HD-DVD player. Hey, I got the HD-DVD as the fire sales were going on and it was like 5 bucks.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and this film is unadaptable.

    by JoeSixPack

    I think this is one of those unfortunate cases of an unfilmable, unadaptable project. Dune is a sacred cow and an adaptation must please both die hard fans, casual moviegoers, the studio execs, etc. This cannot happen over the course of a three hour film.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Err the book is unfilmable, or unadaptable, or...

    by JoeSixPack

    DAMN I suck

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    From James Cameron, director of ALIENS and T2:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    A V A T A R.<p>Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    V'Shael: I Am Correct About Lucas

    by Media Messiah

    Did you know that Lucas threatened to sue Glen Larsen over Battlestar Galactica??? Well, it seems Lucas was in Japan checking-out Japanese animation...and may have seen Space Cruiser Yamato/aka Star Blazers? The creator of Space Cruiser Yamato knew of the similarities between his creation and Star Wars. Yes, he was well aware of it. The whole production design of his movie which later became a tv series was pilfered by Lucas. Like the space fighters, which have oxygen atmosphere like dog fights in space? The Wave Motion gun that can destroy whole planets...ala the planet detroying beam in Star Wars? The robot that R2-D2 looks almost exactly like? The moon sized Comet Empire (The Deathstar)? The dress of the Gamillon (spelling?)Empire which looks just like the evil Empire in Star Wars? The movement, and look of the laser fire and hand weapons in both Yamato and Star Wars??? I could go on.<BR><BR>Larsen was also aware of this, and threatened to call the creator of Yamato to testify in his defense against Lucas as he claimed that both Lucas and he were inspired in part by Space Cruiser Yamato. This is an actual fact. Lucas later lost in court, I have you know...all historical fact, do some checking.<BR><BR> As for Dam Busters. That is the film that inspired the Deathstar Trench Battle scene according to George Lucas, himself--also a known fact. An additional source Lucas ripped-off were the robots from Silent Running. Lucas was so impressed with the film that when he failed to be able to hire Douglas Trumball (spelling?) the director and special effects wiz behind it...know for his work on 2001, Lucas hired his underling, John Dykstra as the lead visual effects expert for Star Wars. Dykstra was given 2 to 3 million dollars to develop Trumball's theorized invention, the moton control camera. Dykstra was able to pull it off, and shot the film's fast moving dog fights using his motion control invention...again, by way of the mind of Trumball. <BR><BR>As far as Dune, many have speculated for some time that Luke Skywalker's home planet is based on Dune. Something that is a wide belief in the science fiction community. Paul, is someone with psi powers and rises to become something of a Messiah who leads a movement to take down an evil empire--all beginning on a desert planet, well, for the most part, anyway? Sounds like Star Wars, now doesn't it? Luke Skywalker developes psi powers and rises to lead a movement against an evil empire--and becomes something of a pseudo, messiah--a savior who is the new hope??? Lucas borrowed and stole from number of sources to build Star Wars. That is a fact in many cases which Lucas has admitted to, and obvious in others where Lucas has failed to admit inspirations.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 3:33 a.m. CST

    KwisatzHaderach: Perhaps True...But...

    by Media Messiah

    ...Lucas' then wife, had challenged Lucas to deliver something more emotionally expansive, and his reaction to that conversation, and her challenge within...was Star Wars.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Not that unfilmable

    by Reds

    I think the first book can be made into a good movie, it just needs a serious director who isn't too crazy. Bryan Singer would be cool. If they have some CHAIRDOGS in it, everyone will love it,no matter how cerebral it is. (Chairdogs are massive fat genetically engineered half dog half chair things, like living beanbags.)

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST


    by RedJester

    I disagree, I think Peter Jackson would do a fine job with Dune. Certainly better than anything a Peter Berg could give us.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST


    by CuervoJones

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Mediah Messiah

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Way to back up your thesis with valid evidentiary points. So nice to see an actual film discussion here without people calling each other 'trolls.'

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Mood is for cattle & Love play, not fighting!

    by pokadoo

    Gotta have Patrick Stewart in this!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Dune = over-rated cobblers.

    by BiggusDickus

    Let the flaming begin!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    George R.R. Martin's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series for me.

    by BiggusDickus

    Frankly, you can keep Dune. Spice-eaters indeed...

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by DocPazuzu

    Aren't you also the drooling conspiratard who has gone on record saying that the porn industry is run by a "satanist cabal"? If I recall correctly, you based this on the various "satanic symbols" you saw on porn sites which you perused for what one would assume were, er, educational reasons. <p> Yeah, how about you back some of those Lucas claims with some sources?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Actually, The Book Is More About Philosophy and Politics

    by LaserPants

    Has Berg actually read the books? There is very little action. Most of it revolves around allegorical space politics and philosophy. There is action, but its not really what I'd call either "mucular" or "adventurous." Furthermore, I know that the purists don't agree, but I thought Lynch's version, though featuring several changes (most notably the "weirding modules") is actually a pretty amazing adaptation -- at the very least, they nailed the look of it. When I read those novels, I see the characters, costumes, and settings as they are in his film.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    I Refuse To Call Sci-Fi Syfy. Wtf Is A "Siffy?"

    by LaserPants

    Sooo, they're trying to trick people into watching grade z direct-to-video disasterpieces?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Maybe Thats What Siffy Means?

    by LaserPants

    Maybe Siffy refers to REALLY BAD "sci fi" flicks?<br><br>The only thing Siffy ever had that was ever worth watching was the BSG Redux. I also liked that Caprica flick. Everything else they've done has been AWFUL. So , maybe thats what Siffy means?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    hey Mr. Nice Gaius

    by The Amazing G

    I lol'd at the mention of Lisa Gerrard for some reason

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST


    by The Amazing G

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    This means Berg's Dune will have ....... Wait for it

    by InActionMan

    Giant Robots

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I have yet to hear a response from you regarding your previous two screennames. Are you going to disclose this or are you now avoiding the issue your raised?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    The Amazing G

    by Mr. Nice Gaius


  • Aug. 7, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I'm not referring to Lucas' "borrowing" from other sources, which is common knowledge, but rather MM's saucier claims of legal shenanigans involving larson etc. <p> Since MM is a known AICN fruitcake, I thought it not out of the realm of reason to ask him to provide some sort of evidence of this matter.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Lynch's "Dune" sucked ass!

    by Evangelion217

    And I don't expect Peter Berg to do any better. :(

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    None of the book sequels were any good?!?!

    by Cellar Door

    Are you f'in kidding? God Emperor of Dune is simply one of the best epic sci-fi stories I've ever read. Came extremely close to being better than Dune itself.<p>I love Lynch's film altho it basically has fuckall to do with the original story. Which is so deep as to make it nearly impossible to do in a single film.<p>Seriously, if you haven't read the books, some are meddling and long winded and others are simply brilliant. You'd have to read a few books to get to God Emperor but it is WELL worth it...(you won't know what's really going on if you don't read the pre-amble books, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, etc...)..seriously, highest recommendation. Haven't read any of Brian's stuff tho...he remotely comparable to his Pops? (my presumption would be no but outside of re-reading, I miss that universe! Love me some Dune!<p>You dirty Tleilaxu!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by MichelleRodrijizz

    You know it biatch; Claudia Christian's striptease rocks the main stage

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Kevin Costner's WATERWORLD

    by MichelleRodrijizz

    Gets me soooooo horny

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by AsimovLives

    I'd put my praise for anything good with Virtuality on roland D. Moore. In TV, the real talent behind the shows are the producers, not the directors.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    That's Ronald D. Moore, not roland

    by AsimovLives

    He's the guy who should had been given the reboot of Star Trek, not the ass-clowns that ended up with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by ColorsFade

    Lynch may have taken his name off the extended version, but that's not really my point. My point was: Lynch was responsible for that particular version of Dune - the look, the set design, the casting, everything. And I thought it rocked. It had the dark edge that I expected after reading the book. I love the 2 hour version; I enjoy the extended version. But mostly I just like what Lynch did with it and what he was attempting to accomplish.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Cellar Door

    by ColorsFade

    The books are awesome. God Emperor is probably the slowest, in terms of pacing and it would probably make the worst film (great ending though). But the final books - 5 and 6... I've always wanted to see those books come to life on screen in the hands of a real director. Bashir Teg Baby...

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by ricarleite2

    I mean, now that Jacko's totally dead, we can get the skelleton from his boy-trap mansion. Scan it, and do it as mo-cap CG. Clint Howard's perfect for the part.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    David Lynch's Dune is a work of art

    by AsimovLives

    The movie is more then just a cash-grab, it's a true work of art made by a filmmaker with an imense sense of aestetics and mood, and a personal vision that cannot be mistaken for anybody else. I dare call Lynch's Dune a work of art. It's also a teribly entertaining movie, if you go to it in the right mood. The sheer byzzareness of the movie is in itself lots of fun! People who will watch it the first time,e vne if they know the book by heart and know where the plot is heading, they will still get caugh completly by suprised to waht THEY WILL SEE NEXT! Seen from the first time, it's compeltly unexpected in visual and aural terms what one will get to witness from scene to scene. which is, in my opinion, part of the appeal of Dune.<br><br>Also, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i suspect the fame of Lynch's Dune being a flop is merely located to the USA. I think internationally, the movie did quite well, and was well known and popular. I do remember that back in the day when i saw Dune, the theaters were packed! Packed! It was amajor suprise to me to learn, many years later, that the movie was famed as a flop.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    i think berg's strengths..

    by iwasredempted

    are that he gets some good performances from his actors. but i can't figure out if that's because of the shakey cam or not. granted that method seems to add some kind of immediacy to what your viewing but scorsese can do that with standard camera setups. the beginning of hancock was actually pretty good but the third half was shite, that includes the kingdom. so in conclusion, berg can do a good job of it or cock it up severly.<br>lynch's version was aesthetically masterful, but was very esoteric as a movie. which reminds me, twin peaks: fire walk with me's first half was pure gold the rest of it was a lynchian self indulgent mess.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by MichelleRodrijizz

    Scorcese is over-fuckin-rated. you cunts just like him because you went to FILM SCHOOL

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    It is possible to do a Dune movie

    by AsimovLives

    It's not unfilmmable. Though a movie would need to be at least 2 hour and 30 minutes to make it justice. And many things would need to be condensed and removed. But that is not new to even great movies made from good books.<br><br>The real deal maker or breaker about a Dune movie adaptation is the attitude of the filmmakers toward the story. Filmmakers could leave 70% of the book out of their movie adaptation and change plot elements and still come up with a good movie that would do justice to the ideas and mood of the book.<br>Which is not what i see from Peter Berg's ideas for how he will make his version. From Berg, all i see is another dumbification of SF classics in the same tradition of I Am Legend, I Robot, The Time Machine (last version), A Sound Of Thunder and Jar Jar Abram's Dawson Trek. Why is it so hard for Holywood to leave SF to the professionals who really like and understand it?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    Lucas had about as much to do with the success of the Star Wars franchise as the pig whose bristles were used to make the bristles on the brushes which painted the Mona Lisa. Lucas NEVER 'wanted' to make any kind of a character-driven story, he ALWAYS wanted it to be what he eventually made: sterile soulless pieces of fluff. He WANTED it that way. The 70's hippie-bullshit story-writing sessions he was forced to be in by Coppola is the ONLY reason the script ever became good, through collaboration, and most of the actual creativeness and things we loved did not come from him at all. Also, Empire was written in virtually the same way, as it was mostly done while the UBER success of Star Wars was still very much up in the air, as far as whether or not a sequel would work. Kazanjian essentially forced Lucas to let him make Empire into the glorious triumph that it was. The down side was that the great success of the first two is what allowed Lucas to retain all the 'independent filmmaker' rights to the franchise, which then left every subsequent movie in his completely incompetent hands. Hell, the man was still writing FIRST DRAFTS while they were STILL FILMING the 'prequels'. No more collaboration, no more quality. This is why the last 4 movies made in the series absolutely SUCKED. Lucas has no ear for writing, no talent for it, and doesn't even like doing it.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by Cellar Door

    Oh yeah they are totally kick ass, I actually need to go back and re-read them, it's been that long. I just remember GEoD and that discussion between 2 of the mains...yes not very cinematic perhaps but an utterly compelling narrative. I love Frank Herbert. He had that happy-faced carny beard/goatee thing and he created a universe so complex and filled with story, I can only compare him to Tolkien in terms of sheer epic scope and complexity. Not equal talent maybe...I love them both for separate reasons (Tolkien's my favorite of the 2). But to pull something of that ambition off, you simply have to deliver on the good...and Herbert delivered many times over in his Dune series.<p>Have you read any of the post-Frank stuff? I'm a fan of Kevin Anderson and I know he co-wrote with Brian Herbert on the Dune "prequels"...are they any good? Been missing that universe something fierce...perhaps a re-read is in order!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by AsimovLives

    I don't blame Lucas for the dumbification of filmed SF post-Star Wars. I do blame the average audiences and Hollywood, who, after the mega-sucess of Star wars, it entered in their minds that SF starts and ends as epic space operas. Lucas himself have been adamant to point out that his Star Wars movies are a niche SF, a space fantasy sub-genre. Lucas himself made a much more hardcore true SF movie, THX-1138.<br><br>It was THX-1138 which Marcia Lucas claimed was a sterille emotionaless movie and challenged George Lucas to make a movie with more heart. His reply was American Graffitti, not Star Wars. Star Wars was a challenged that Lucas did to himself to bring an adventure movie for young kids while also playing with the structure and themes of myths. He was heavily influenced on Hidden Fortress for the plot for his Star Wars movie, a fact he has never stoped mentioned to everybody he cares to listen to him. It's even recorded, as in the case of his interview for the Criterion DVD of Hidden Fortress. The second major influence was the serial adventures of Flash Gordon. In fact, Lucas made his own story when he couldn't secure the film rights for Flash Gordon. Star Wars 3rd major influence, believe it or not, was The Vietnam War.<br><br>Tatoinne as a desert planet doesn't necessarily means it has to be directly inspired by Dune's Arrakis. In fact, desert planets have been going around in SF stories for many years. What Frank Hebert did in dune was to go a long way to try to portait a very plausible portait of a planet which was a whole giant sand desert, and to make a plausible and convincing ecology and also a plausible culture for the human native habitants of such a place. Star War's Tatoinne barely has such thoughful considerations that could be comparable to Dune's Arakis. I find it more a coincidence then a case of deliberate inspiration/copy/hommage. For example, in Edgar Rice Burroughs story A Princess Of Mars, Mars as called Barsoon in that story is depicted as a mostly desert-like planet. and certainly that would be a more close inspiration for Tatoinne then Arrakis, for certain Lucas knew and read a Princess Of Mars when he was a kid, like all SF nut kids back in the day would. As probably was Mars as depicted in Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles.<br><br>To say that Tatoinne in Star Wars is a total direct take on Arrakis is a bit of a tall order claim.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is what it is because of Lucas

    by AsimovLives

    One of the big reasons Star Wars was such the sucess it is was how it was edited. And it was Lucas who was the master boss editor in that. And in all his other directed movies he has a name on (and Raiders Of The Lost Ark). If the story in Star Wars is good, is because Lucas the editor decided what should stay and what should go. There's lots of stuff, character stuff that was in the orgijnal script, writen by people other then Lucas, which was cut out of the movie, and for the betterment of the movie.<br><br>Lucas the director, Lucas the editor, it's due to him the reason the movie ended up so beloved as it still is. Just because many of you people are now Lucas' biggest enemies doesn't mean there should be taklen for him the merit that is all his, merely for spite. That's nonsense.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Did you guys know i used to hate Lucas?

    by AsimovLives

    I did exception on THX-1138. But otherwise, i used to hate him. But now, i'm forced to defend the man against the rabid nonsense of many geeks. There's so much nonsense that can be tolerated without a reply coment.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Berg's Dune will be shit.

    by AsimovLives

    But i'll watch it, just so i can have a laugh at the failure. They call it schadenfreude, i believe.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    From The Visionary Director Of Hand-In-Cock

    by AsimovLives

    Frank Herbert's Dune-In-Name-Only. Shot in Desaturated Shaky-Cam-O-Vision. Presented in Deafning-Loud-O-Explosion SoundSurround. Writen By a Comitee Of Desinterested Hacks Who Can't Wait for Their Next Paycheck. Produced by people desperate to buy a new Ferrari. Directed by a guy who shouldn't had quit his day job.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "Berg's Dune will be shit."

    by Xiphos_2

    probably as shitty as Assimoves ponderous opinions, Goatfucker.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Dune, Tron, and Blade Runner Were All, Technically, "Flops"

    by LaserPants

    At least in the sense that the studios kept trying to replicated the GINORMOUS success of Star Wars and failing. They were also expensive films to make. Oddly enough, they're three of my favorites. Go figure.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    All Three Fell Short of Blockbuster, Hence, "Flops"

    by LaserPants

    But everyone still talks about them today. Blade Runner especially went from mothballed to Modern Classic in about 10 years. But even Tron' s imminent sequel trailer sent a lightening bolt of glee around the world. And I still hear people talking about what a bizarro art freakout classic Dune is, so, flop? Monetarily, sure, but not in terms of their impact on the pop-consciousness.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by Zenslinger

    Thanks for the shoutout, Crisp, and for some of the intelligent conversation here. Dune: Third Stage Edition is very good. The difference in quality of the cutting-room floor restorations is noticable, and there are a couple of things I'm not sure I agree with. But there is careful attention to the editing of picture as well as sound. Seek it out. It's not going to get any better than that unless David has a change of heart.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Pull my finger.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Don't be too sure to rate them as complete flops, freind. They migth have flopped in the USA. But that is not the whole of the world.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Dune Messiah and Children Of Dune were good books

    by AsimovLives

    Not as great as Dune, but good additions to the whole saga.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by PinkFloyd7

    An epic like DUNE needs a real visionary director, like a Peter Jackson or a James Cameron or a Steven Speilberg. PETER BERG IS NOT IT. Why do movie studios keep handing over major projects to hacks like Berg and Ratner?

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    Peter Berg is a fucking hack! Lynch's DUNE is just fine. Frank Herbert loved it. Let's stop remaking this fucking story and do the sequels! The Children of Dune mini is a great start and is excellent! MOVE ON!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    How many versions..

    by MajorFrontbum

    ..of DUNE do we fucking need? Lynch's DUNE is good enough. Stop the senseless reboots you sad, uncreative great grandmother fuckers and come up with NEW IDEAS!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST least it's not Roland Emmerich

    by kirttrik

    You know, he's helming Foundation.

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Well, maybe not but Dune is a very cerebral read. I believe this is much more difficult then adapting say LOTR. I am doubtful that Berg or anyone can condense some of the politics, histories etc into a digestable form for joe moviegoer. Remember Lucas' scroll at the beginning of TPM about trade routes and blah blah blah? <p> If this really has to be made it would be nice to have people with the vision and talent to be able to encapsulate the books broad strokes into short visual ideas much like Jackson did in the LOTR intro for example.<p> Frankly, I'd just rather read the book again.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Yeah, I think the first three Dune books -- Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune -- are all really great. After that... not so much. But those first three are all classics in my eyes.