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LOVELY BONES trailer has massive spoiler revealing Quint's stalking of the film's young lead!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... In all seriousness, you may want to skip the trailer as it does venture a tad into the 3rd act - and if you are spoiler free with this story, perhaps knowing that you'll see the movie based solely upon the name of the director... well, that's enough for me. But I watched it anyways... And there at the start in the bookstore, I figured out who the child murderer was. He's a large man in the background with a book, a scruffy beard and a distinguished nose! I know that's the guy that kills children... at the very least. Yup, that's Quint - who is probably going to be mortified to see himself hitting the trailer for LOVELY BONES - as everyone will think he's the murderer - they don't quite have the chalky M on his shoulder, but a little photoshop should fix that!
Click Here to watch Quint, the child stalking murderer!!! Well, at least I think that's what his character is!
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Just looks like an ordinary thriller. Guess I was expecting more EBF. That's Eyeball Fucking for the folks at home.
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I just hope it's not 3 hours long.
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...any chance you could post the list for the Austin District 9 screening before Friday?
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I mean obviously... :)
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How many cameos do you AICN guys land? Is this from set visits and they just chuck you in or what?
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...but bound to be ruined in the transfer to film.Just saying.
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like a girl in that new Inglorious Basterds TV spot. And "anyways" isn't a word. At all. And yeah, this movie is different from What Dreams May Come how?
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all you have to do is look at the murderer and know they look like a creepy fucking murderer. But in the end, it's all how well the story is told that matters.
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Sweet lady
I love your body
You make my blood boil
Down inside
But I've got to tell you
I don't think my chunky pounds
Will come right out
Oh, that's alright, baby. I love you just the way you are.
That means a lot to me, thank you. I love you, sir.
Come on over here, I want to give you a french kiss!
Get a poke on
A poke on
Get your pokey right on my ride
I wanna poke on
A good poke on
I want a good pokin' on your ride
Look at them
They're so in love
I bet they'll french kiss
All night long
I wish we knew
Which hole he's gonna poke her through
Look at them
They're so in love
I bet they'll french kiss
All night long
I wish we knew
Which hole he's gonna poke her through
Tonight
Tonight
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under all that facial hair, bears a striking resemblance to an older version of Dominic Monahagan. But that's just me.
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Season three is finally here!
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oh totally.
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Aug 05, 2009 12:45:43 AM CDT
Christopher Soprano... playing a cop... Tony was right
by anything but tangerines
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and Christopher's last name was NOT Soprano. So, yeah, double fail.
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It'll flop
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...but yes, a little too much revealed really.
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Nothing. Who the killer is isn't some kind of mystery. Jackson wouldn't be telling interviewers they put Tucci in a lot of make up so he wouldn't "get spit on in shopping malls."
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that is.
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I thought the book was good, but I'm just not sure that this will transfer on screen very well. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...
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Moriarty with a better beard? I'd never trust that guy to kill a shark for me.
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he's the only guy not thrown out of his seat on the bus when King Kong smacks it.
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The guy just doesn't cut it for me, though I thought Gosling, the original choice, was kind of baffling too (Gosling's great, just a bit too young for the role IMO). Anyways, can't say the trailer sold me on this, though I'll probably see it either way just for the curiousity of seeing how it translates from page to screen.
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is Quint wearing the same flasher coat in Lovely Bones that he was wearing in King Kong?
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now show me some titties
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knew i shouldn't have watched it.now no reason too see this.they gave away waaay too much.
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but the trailer looks good so far, I´m interested. Looks like PJ found another promising female lead. Oh and Stanleys eyes looked like gollums in that short cut when he hears that girl in his house... grin. But still: I´m in!
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The trailer looked really good and I am officially excited about it.
I'm sure Marky Mark will be fine. I Heart Huckabees and The Departed are 2 movies with great performances by him. Of course he sucked in The Happening, but I think it's more the director. I think PJ will get a good performance out of him. -
Hope it's just the trailer, but it looks like they've just turned the novel into a run-of-the-mill thriller (basically looks like 'Zodiac' with a bit of 'what dreams may come' supernatural stuff thrown in). I just thought the (decent, but way overrated) book was something completely different.
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Feel! Feel! Feel! Feel! Feel! Feel my heat!
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I LOVE the heaven imagery. Very surrealistic. Not too much of a fan of the spoilerish nature of the end of the trailer, but I guess you need it to sell the movie.
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I meant spoilerish in the sense of where the movie goes.
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Aug 05, 2009 2:33:00 AM CDT
CHILD OF GLASS+ WHAT DREAMS MAY COME= THE LOVELY BONES
by zombieheathledger
Took me a second to research the CHILD OF GLASS movie but yeah, it's about a little girl who was murdered and her body put in a well and she, as a ghost, helps solve her murder and get her killer (sound familiar?) The afterlife stuff is all WHAT DREAMS MAY COME and CONTACT. I'll still see it anyway. Btw, Quint, ever heard of a salad?
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Some of it looks good, some of it looks very bad.
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Aug 05, 2009 2:39:05 AM CDT
why the hate?? its the aicn boards - of course its hate filled
by slappy jones
tot he people who keep harping on about what dreams may come i think you need to go and watch what dreams again. they look nothing a like.
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Aug 05, 2009 2:41:57 AM CDT
D. VADER - Apparently The Ring ripped CHILD OF GLASS too
by zombieheathledger
CHILD OF GLASS was actually a Disney movie made in the 70's.
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im actually really surprised by this trailer... thought the movie was gonna suck, but this looks pretty good
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No one is saying that WHAT DREAMS MAY COME and TLB are sharing design, but the CGI fantastic heaven IS reminiscent and so is the helping from heaven plot device. But no, the heaven design work looks like CONTACT and HEAVENLY CREATURES and not the watercolor painting come to life of WHAT DREAMS MAY COME.
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Damn I miss old Disney. When they had balls.
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...someone ALREADY managed to compare it to another movie (and imply some rip-off).
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If you had actually read the book and found out what the story is actually about before you opened your big trap, you'd also know that it's not very much like Child of Glass at all.
And... What Dreams May Come and Contact.... what, so every movie that has even similar imagery as something else is guilty of thievery?!?
You mus hate any and all science fiction, then. "The Matrix" must REALLY get your blood boiling, as it borrows liberally from William Gibson.
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Seriously, seems like every movie and game fan nowadays accuses everything of ripping off everything else these days.
Seriously, were there people in the 60s that accused this new thing called "Star Trek" of ripping off "Forbidded Planet" and "First Men In the Moon"?
I really don't get it. Is every SO jaded that their first instinct is to make accusations of creative theft?
Jeezus, people- what is wrong with this mentality?
It doesn't make any difference who did it first. What matters is who did it better.
I'll put good money on this movie being better than BOTH "WDMC" and "Contact". -
If you go there, do you died?
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Every is so, so jaded. And I agree, there is nothing wrong with this mentality.
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You obviously know what I meant, and that was clearly a typo. So what's your fucking point? Just being a twat?
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Uhh, let's compare the plotlines of TLB with COG shall we? murdered young girl? check. Murdered girl becomes a ghost? check. Ghost of murdered girl helps the living find her killer? check. Killer gets his comeuppance at the end thus freeing the young girl's restless ghost to go on peacefully? check. Add that to elements of WDMC and wha-la! You have TLB. Now go eat a bag of dicks before you embarrass yourself here further, douche. Btw, who elected you Capt. Save-a-ho? STFU.
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Loved the book. Can't wait for the movie. The haters can eat my taint.
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In Lovely Bones:
"Ghost of murdered girl helps the living find her killer?" Nope. Not what happens, not that explicitly. She more or less watches over how her family has come apart in the wake of her murder. Her father is the one obsessed with finding her (he isn't even sure she's dead until like halfway through the book).
"Killer gets his comeuppance at the end thus freeing the young girl's restless ghost to go on peacefully?" MMMNnnnnooooope. She's already there, not really drawn back or stuck. Not at all, not like you describe. At least, not in the book.
You've very clearly not read it, so why are you talking like you know?
As for getting murdered and becoming a ghost, well... there are tons of movies that do that. It's like saying that any film with a spaceship in it is the same.
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William Friedkin?
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Aug 05, 2009 4:43:42 AM CDT
Most of you are now starting to sound like the suits!
by talkbacker with no name
"It's What dreams may come crossed with zodiac" haha are you geeks or fucking industry wankers? It's the new movie by peter jackson based on a pretty damn good book. end of.
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if Quint is in it they've bought themselves nothing but great reviews whatever may come from AICN
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He needs to get fat again. He just doesn't look right to me all skinny.
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Not sure if you know or not, but ZombieHeathLedger and lockesbrokenleg are just big massive trolls and people tend to just walk around them here. Just step over if that's easier. Zombieheath cleary went on wiki before posting. He hasn't read shit!
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Exactly what was coming to my mind.
Well, that and the impression that I was listening to a bunch of anal retentive assholes.
Geeks are supposed to embrace movies and genre films, not try to tear them down like armchair film makers. I mean, come on- there are people on this board that will defend "Blade Runner" as the best movie ever, but turn around and hate on this?
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At their core there is a geek in there. I know it. I believe it! Why they are not proud to show it I have no idea. The persona they are hiding it with is a pathetic worm like creation. Problem is though there are so many clique hate worm clones here. Starting to think it's one guy with 1000 accounts.
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King Kong was a poor choice right after LOTR. It shows in it's bombast and the movie was crippled for it. SOmething more human with elements of imagination is perfect material for where he seems ot be at as a filmmaker. Cannot wait to see this. Some amazing amazing actors involved.
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...hot for an Oscar nom, that is.
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The trailer does make it seem as if finding the murderer is the plot of the movie. The book was all about Susie Salmon watching her family deal with her death from heaven. Kinda hard to show in a two-minute teaser. So of course they went with the "supernatural thriller" angle. Because people need to be spoon-fed exactly what they think they're getting, hence all the "it's the Ring crossed with The Vanishing" or whatever.
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But feel free to grasp at straws all you like. And Talkbacker Without A Name is pointing out the OBVIOUS similarities in two movies is what constitutes a troll around here then I am among a sea of them on this site. Eat me.
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I'll netflix it.
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The conclusion was reached long before you posted in this story.
Your reasons for pointing out the so called 'obvious similarites' were what?. Well I'll tell you my theory shall I? You went to wiki to read about the book. Then you took a "second to research the CHILD OF GLASS" so you could come back like a wormy troll and hack on jackson's latest movie. The slimey trail you leave behind is what's OBVIOUS. -
got it. Quint looks like a fatter version of Drew yes indeedie.
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Maybe he can let the chick get back to life too. That would be awesome.
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-A Breakdancing Kiwi Wizard-Hazaaaahhh!!1-
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to the breakout performance of new actress Susan Suhrundun. As a happy P.S., the "Orphan" ads no longer make my web browser shut down.
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Get your huge donkey penis out of Heather Graham and save her! The Irish kid, not Heather!
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I don't remember finding the killer being such a central point to the book, more about seeing how her death affected all her families lives.
I'm still wondering how the batshit silly ending with the dead girl going into the body of her friend and sleeping with the boy she fancies will be done. I mean..it's fucking weird. -
Zombie, your an idiot, if you read the book, you would know that the story is VASTLY different than any comparisons you made. In fact, the book never mentions religion.
Anywho, I have hopes for the movie, the book never had her helping find her killer, in fact, in the book she feels sorry for him as she watches him. He was almost a footnote.
All you tools comparing this to other movies, go read the book and have some faith in PJ, he seems too literal to let the meaning of the book slip by into a popcorn movie. -
Unlike everyone else in the movie, she forgot it was a COMEDY. To use a quote George Harrison when he was talking about Madonna: "it's hard to make a comedy with someone who has no sense of humor". Plus, the thought of seeing Marky Mark trying to be emotional is scary. Love me some Rachel W though.
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Seriously over the top cliche hollywood schlop. Thought Jackson would have cut something far more interesting. Oh well.
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This movie spends in "Heaven" the better off everyone will be. Looks like What Dreams May Come, for God's sake. And while I normally don't begrudge even the most story-heavy trailers, this one kind gave everything away, didn't it? Way to go, Marketing.
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Aug 05, 2009 7:18:29 AM CDT
FROM WHAT'S I'VE HEARD, THE LOVELY BONES IS MISSING SOMETHING...
by carlthormark1978
Her killer, Harvey, is never brought to justice and dies by being hit in the head by an icicle before falling into a ravine and dying. What I need to see is a moment where at the second of his death, Harvey sees Suzie standing over him, he recognized her and she says “I’m so sorry”, he asks “what for?” before she replies “because of where you’re going....” the ground starts to split around Harvey as flames rise up out of the cracks, he looks at Suszie as she finishes her sentence "....forever”. At that point he is dragged screaming into the fires of Hell where he will be tormented for eternity.
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I thought the same when I saw him
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He'd just have to jump down it's throat and choke the fucker.
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Poor trailer (Time Traveller's Wife looks better - wow). Rapidly de-psyching about Avatar too. smarft money has Where the Wild Things, Coens, Haneke and maybe District 9 FTWs over the next few months.
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How can people be saying it looks bad? I don't understand it!
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Aug 05, 2009 7:37:03 AM CDT
ALSO, SUSZIE'S FAMILY WOULD ALREADY BE IN HEAVEN WITH HER.....
by carlthormark1978
If we really want to talk about Heaven then wouldn’t it be logical to assume that it’s a non-linear plane of existence that has no beginning or end so, theoretically, when Suzie died her family would already be there with her (providing they never committed any mortal sins such as murder or suicide) and wouldn’t she also be able to drop in and out of what we perceive to be reality in a similarly non-linear fashion to see the death of her murderer and his eternal damnation into the fires of Hell?
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Visually, it looks fantastic - exactly matches the tone of the book, BUT...the trailer doesn't really give away anything that someone woldn't figure out in 10 minutes. The Lovely Bones isn't a mystery...the facts are revealed pretty early on.
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i didn't recognize him the first time i saw the trailer. That could be a great sign. Sloppy trailer anyway ... the last 40 seconds are completely unnessecary. Feels like your normal asian thriller and its fantasy segments. But maybe its more.
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Lordy. All hail the UK's finest free film channel...
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Anything that takes Peter Jackson back to his Heavenly Creatures mentality and away from bombastic wannabe epic shit like King Kong is worth anticipating in my view. The actress cast as Susie Salmon is exactly the kind of weird, offbeat choice Kate Winslet must have seemed like back in 1996, and by the look of the visuala Lovely Bones is guaranteed to garner Oscar nominations in the Cinematography, Set Design and Visual Effects categories.
I do think Mark and Rachel look a little too young to be Susies parents, but overall the trailer looks fantastic and now on my list of must-see films.
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my bad
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Aug 05, 2009 7:56:24 AM CDT
DAKOTA FANNING SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAST AS SUSIE!!!FACT!!!
by carlthormark1978
Jackson goes out of his way to cast a bunch of well known actors (Sarandon, Marky Mark, Rachel Weisz, Stanley Tucci) for all the other major roles but he decides on this girl who was an unknown at the time? I'm not even a fan of Fanning's (I wanted her to die in War of the Worlds) but why not go for a high profile casting choice when there are familiar faces in every other role?
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.....too Christian in tone, too "made for TV", too many visual effects, too similar to a updated, saccharine "What Dreams May Come" and too lugubrious for audiences at Christmas time. Against Avatar it will be ignored. Peter's choice of content is desperate and shallow. Firstly, Hell never existed before Christians made it, it originated from hades, which was the underworld after death : not a place of torture. The whole repetitive cycle of judgement, torture, revenge is a very destructive ego cycle that really is a cause of many wars. We need to see nature for what it is, be in harmony with that, bring out the best from it and ignore the oppressive, ignorant pre-conceptions of heaven/hell that are derived from silly stories of desert peasants sold and forced on to people, by guilt, fear, violence and oppression for 2000 years. Not continue to promote this silly superstition as though it were somehow real. Give me a break........
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Aug 05, 2009 8:04:51 AM CDT
Because then the audience can't empathise with the girl characte
by palimpsest
So you go with a relative unknown - forces focus on the character and the drama of the situation, not on the actor's performance.
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Casting an Academy Award nominated actress in the young lead roll is a BAD call. Pfft.
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its more about how everyone deals with her death. in fact, she tells the name of the killer in like the first line of the book. but i guess i could see how it would be irritating to those who haven't read the book or aren't going to.
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exactly how much I loved the book all those years ago. I hoped the movie would just do it's own job, not just a book-to-film and it looks like it does. It looks like it has it's own character and focuses while still telling the story. That's a lot to get from a trailer but I can't wait to see this even more now - and that's a trailers job I guess
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And I wasn't impressed with her in Atonement nor did I think much of that movie. Don't get me wrong, Fanning isn't much better but she's more well known then Ronan. You get why I'm saying this right? It doesn't make sense to me that Jackson would fill the movie with recognizable actors then put an unknown in a crucial role. My justification for Fanning is that Susie’s murder should be brutally shocking and what is more shocking, killing a worldwide famous actress or another girl who no one knows, outside some overrated film that she got nominated for. Anyway, well see, maybe The Lovely Bones will change my mind about Saoirse Ronan.
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...much everything. I'm not sure a movie can capture what was good about this book, but if Jackson did his best it should be solid.
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Aug 05, 2009 8:32:49 AM CDT
Looks exciting despite slightly disappointing trailer.
by maybe banana-nut
Strong visuals if a little less subtle then I'd hoped and signs of good acting. I trust Jackson to handle this well... so far. Trailer could have been edited better.
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...outstanding work on that first post. Outstanding.
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Aug 05, 2009 8:41:12 AM CDT
This movie sure looks like a fun way to spend two hours
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
Why would anyone want to watch a movie where a 14 year old girl gets raped, murdered, and dismembered by a neighbor?
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Aug 05, 2009 8:49:13 AM CDT
maybe banana-nut, THAT'S ALSO WHY HER MURDER WOULD BE MORE SHOCK
by carlthormark1978
I just like seeing audiences get traumatized.
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...were eliminated from the story. It's released around Chrismas time, intended for family viewing. It wouldn't surprise me if it were PG-13 without as much of a mention of rape.
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no interest in little girl getting murdered, or her dumb version of heaven, or her parents lives, or that creepy killer, or how they all interact. peter jackson still rules though.
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Fran Walsh & Philippa Boyens are writing the screenplay. So it's going to have all the subtlety of a flying brick.
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Aug 05, 2009 8:54:05 AM CDT
Andy Samberg Ruined Wahlberg for Me
by the_floating_skull_of_robert_loggia
His impersonation has made it so I can't watch anything the actor does without exclaiming "SAY HI TO YOUR MOTHER FOR ME!!" at the top of my lungs..."Hey Goat...You've got a beard. I had a beard in The Perfect Storm. Did you see that movie Goat? Did You see The Perfect Storm? Alright...well...say hi to your mother for me."
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Look really fake? Marky Mark's hair and Tuccis everything just seems like the kind of makeup work you see on SNL. Just sayin'. Still excited about this. And King Kong would have been a really good movie if they had gotten to the island in the first fifteen minutes, instead of wasting the whole first hour.
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Aug 05, 2009 9:49:29 AM CDT
3rd Act...? If it's true to the book we've barely seen half...
by executor
While the trailer makes it seem as if this is a movie about finding who the killer is, building to a big reveal at the end...the novel is much, much different. It spans 15 years or so. The sister-in-the-house-scene...maybe halfway through the book. So 3rd act...no.Unless PJ has changed it into a serial-killer thriller lol.
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Not sure if you are aware, but it's a movie based on fiction. Not some right wing, propaganda church video.
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Aug 05, 2009 9:55:18 AM CDT
CarlThorMark1978, you like Dakota Fanning far too much
by talkbacker with no name
it's a bit scary now
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and I can confidently say it sucks. I like Jackson, but this looks like hippie bullshit. Count me out.
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It is amazing you all have the ability to tear a movie apart based on a two minute trailer.
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Loved his character in The Sopranos, had no idea he was in this for some reason. One-shoe motherfucker!
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It's a thought-provoking weepy look at how the death of a 14-year-old girl affects her family. The only tense moment is when the sister breaks into the killers house, and that's shown extensively in the trailer. Everything else is just the mom crying, the dad crying, the grandma crying, the killer crying and them all getting older. However, I'm looking forward to how Peter has done the heaven parts. Oh wait, we've seen that in the trailer too so there's now no reason to see the movie!!
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the book is not great...this looks worse.
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which started interesting and veered into melodramatic soap opera nonsense.
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this feels like a modern teenage girl..in the book she was still a young girl. bad choice.
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Aug 05, 2009 10:36:05 AM CDT
And look, they've had to cast her sister and 'boyfriend' much ol
by performingmonkey
They look much older than they should because they've had to cast actors in their 20s so they can be shown getting older later in the movie. You can tell even from the trailer that it doesn't translate well and may take people out of the movie when the guy in his 20s is still at school with the 14-year-old Susie and hitting on her. And her sister's supposed to be YOUNGER than Susie, and yet it's an actress in her 20s!
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Back from the grave. Hungry for fruit loops and brains.
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Cant believe Jackson is filling us up with such a flat seen-it-before thriller now that he could do anything he want. Young girl killed by pedophile but all is fine now because she's in a cool Charlie and the Chocolate Fantasy world with an Asian friend.
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Hell yeah, from now on let's not bother to watch the fucking movie, a 2 minute trailer is all we need to judge a film that a hugely talented director has spent years adapting...
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Holy crap!
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I hope its as fun as the frighteners, but a better movie.
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If you can't work up the gumption to read the source material then it's a new thing to you. If you did read the source material and you liked it, checking out the movie version is just that, seeking out a new version of book read and liked/loved.
If you read the book and didn't like it, well then why the fuck would you see the movie or bitch about any so called spoilers?
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You do realize that THE LOVELY BONES is a work of fiction, right? Regardless of what your spiritual beliefs are, how is hell any *less* valid as a subject for fantasy than, say, wizard kids or transforming robo-cars?
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People slamming people for slamming the movie. People slamming people for slamming people slamming the movie. People slamming people who slammed people who are slamming a trailer for a movie people haven't seen. People slamming people who slam people who haven't seen people who slam other people who then criticize people slamming people who then go on to slam other people...
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Aug 05, 2009 11:50:44 AM CDT
Hell is just a word...the reality is much, much worse...
by cellar door
But then again, it could be just like Des Moines.
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Did anyone else see this guy's post over in Capone's PJ/Comic-Con Talkback:"Peter : you and your team of backstabbers blacklisted me, because of the high profile work I did at your company and for J. to play games with my career out of JEALOUSY. THAT IS WHY YOU STOLE CONCEPTS AND TOLD OTHER PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM MY WORK..... WHY ? because I wrote and am writing better scripts than you and bid myself as director. As soo as you found that out, read the script, saw the work I did for you..... you freaked out and tried to blacklist me, to stop my progress because you KNOW YOU ARE DIRECTLY PROFITTING OF WORK I DID FOR YOU AND TOLKIEN. EVERYONE WILL FIND THIS OUT. You wanted to stop my career and drove me into poverty but LUCKILY someone very very important has picked these projects up and DESTROYED YOUR HATRED AND OPPRESSION. THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL HEAR ABOUT WHAT A THIEF YOU ARE PETER JACKSON AND FRAN, AND HOW YOU USED MY HARD WORK, BAKCSTABBED ME, STOLE MY IDEAS AND TRIED TO KILL MY LIFE AND CAREER... IN A HIDDEN SUFFOCATING WAY ......THEN FINALLY FAILED. LIGHT SHINE THROUH MY LIFE PETER AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE DARK MISERABLE FILMS AND UGLY EGO GAMES THATDEFINE YOUR LIFE. YOU ARE NOT TOLKIEN PETER. YOU ARE NOT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER. YOU ARE NOT ALAN LEE. YOU ARE FEEBLES, BRAIN DEAD, FORGOTTEN RUBBISH AND BACKSTABBING POLITICS."I think livingwater might be "missing this one" for slightly different reasons than he's letting on.
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as soon as he started talking in the trailer I lost hope for it. He's seriously one of the most awful actors working today.
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That's GOLD baby!
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..especially in all caps. That's god damn good drama there boy. Good drama. Put hair on your chest! Just like Mom used to make! World's finest!!!
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No, shit for brains, I didn't read wiki, nor have I read the book. Nor do I have to, I am going solely by the information given in the trailer and given the information that the director has chosen to show (which is a lot), unless it's a total red herring certain similarities can be observed. I love how you fucking Jackson asslickers back up your arguments with "troll" accusations. I made an observation that TLB shared similar plot points to COG and I gave evidence to back up my theory. All you shitwits can come up with in response is "Troll!" fingerpointing and oh yeah, this gem, "No, it's not." Wow, you assholes belong on the Harvard debate team with that kind of sound reasoning. Does TLB have a murdered girl at it's center? Yes. Does she return as a ghost? Yes. Is solving her death integral to the plotline? Yes. These are irrefutable similarities. And then you idiots wanna broaden subject to render it moot (Matrix) when this comparison is wayy more specific then some general overview of machine vs. man theme. I can't stand you fucking dirtbags who suck up to Hollywood movies like it's your Momma's saggy titties. They aren't holy relics for Chrissakes. The AICN forum is not just solely for your fanboy gushing, stoopids, it's for FILM DISCUSSION. All I did was put it out there that there are similarities and then you say, "Oh well, you could say that about a lot of movies." Yes, you are right. I could. And I'm saying it about this one and it's similarities to both the plot of CHILD OF GLASS and the heaven concept/effects of both WHAT DREAMS MAY COME and CONTACT, both points have been mentioned in TLB talkbacks here before so it's not just me who's noticed. Oh, but I guess everyone else who has pointed that out is also a "troll." Listen, if you obvious film neophytes want to believe that Jackson is some untouchable god who comes up with completely original ideas than that's your problem. Just STFU and stick to your gushings and let the grown ups have serious film discussion as is our wont here. Next time, either come with logic and evidentiary debating points or swallow your tongues you pedantic sycophants, insulting, sycophants.
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I called you sycophants twice. Deal with it.
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"I didn't read wiki, nor have I read the book. Nor do I have to, I am going solely by the information given in the trailer and given the information that the director has chosen to show"
Sorry, pal. You just COMPLETELY negated your opinion. You're admitting you don't know the first thing you're talking about. How many movies have deceptive trailers again? Oh, most of them?
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I'll stand by that statement any day. But this movie doesn't look very good. I wish Ryan Gosling stayed on as the dad, he may have been young. But Wahlberg is an awful actor. Heavenly Creatures....this is not by the look of it. Oh well I'll still check it out.
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Aug 05, 2009 1:42:34 PM CDT
Talkbacker with no name, I DON'T LIKE FANNING, SHE'S JUST MORE F
by carlthormark1978
Like I said, I don't think much of her as an actress but she is very well known by the public and I just thought that it would really fuck people up by casting her in the movie so she could be brutally killed off at the beginning.
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Again, you don't refute my points (because you can't) and instead you go for the asinie retort of because I haven't read wiki or the book then I can't notice similarites given just the information given BY THE DIRECTOR in the trailers which are after all SCENES FROM THE FUCKING MOVIE ITSELF. This is such a fucking retarded argument I can't even believe you are making it. Further, I said "unless the trailer is a red herring" which I guess you don't know the definition of a "red herring" because you are a moron, but that means exactly what you said, that unless Jackson's trailer is intentionally "deceptive" (but I don't think it is). So either refute my points or STFU. Does it deal with a murdered girl? Does the murdered girl return as a ghost? Is bringing closure to the girl's murder integral to the plotline? Yes, yes, and yes. Guess what? That's just like CHILD OF GLASS. And in the non-everyone-who-says-something-other-than-fanboy-gushing-must-be-a-troll world, these are called SIMILARITIES. And they are much more specifice than overall generalities like the man vs. machine theme that you pulled out of your ass about the Matrix. Your debating skills are weaksauce. Tap out, dipshit.
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I've already refuted your ideas about the movie and told you how it's different. Editing can do a lot, chum. Just look at Annie Hall, which was originally a MURDER MYSTERY before becoming a romantic comedy if you want to know what editing can do. Not hard, considering you're only dealing with about two minutes of footage.
And yeah, I know what a red herring is, my simpleton friend. THAT'S WHY I POINTED OUT THAT YOU ADMITTED KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE STORY.
How can you acknowledge that something might be a red herring while pointing out you've gotten all your information from that same thing (the trailer)? You're contradicting yourself, and in no more than two successive sentences.
And THIS part: "Is solving her death integral to the plotline?"
You keep saying this, and I'm going to tell you again: THE STORY IS NOT ABOUT SOLVING HER MURDER. It is chiefly about a family dealing with their daughter's disappearance while the girl watches down from her personal heaven and learns to let go of her former life. THERE IS NO MURDER MYSTERY. THE AUDIENCE KNOWS WHO KILLED HER. The closest thing is a father that is obsessed with finding out the truth about his daughter, and not in a cliche "mystery" way. It's ALL EMOTIONAL.
And THIS: "Does the murdered girl return as a ghost?" There's no other way to rebute this, SHE DOES NOT FUCKING RETURN AS A GHOST!!!!! You're WRONG. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!! SHE IS WATCHING DOWN FROM HEAVEN THE WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!
Your claim that I'm ignoring your points is bullshit. Fuck you and your dumb ass presupposition. You're catcalling for an argument, and everyone that has actually read Lovely Bones knows that you're a moron and are COMPLETELY wrong.
In addition, the fact that you think "The Matrix" borrowed less than "some general overview of machine vs. man theme" proves you never read any William Gibson, either.
I'm done, not being trolled by you anymore. So, do you see how I'm refuting your points? I'm clearly giving you examples of where you're mistaken. If you cant recognize this, i have nothing more to say.
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I had no expectations from this movie, but that trailer took my breath away.
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I was reading LivingWater's posts in this talkback, but was not gonna start any attack towards what he posted.... What you posted about him on the other hand is a lot more interesting lol. Wonder what that nonsense is all about. hmmm
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livingwater is and what in god's name is he talking about?Livingwater-CARE TO COMMENT?
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Meet me at Macy's second floor men's room at noon.
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I know. When a few of us saw livingwater's post in Capone's TB, we were all like, "WTF?!" It's a pretty crazy charge he threw out there.Keep you eyes open. As this movie gets closer to release, we may see more of ol' livingwater.
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I always imagined Quint to be thin. Instead he is a fat fuck just like HEAD GEEK. Talk about a fuckin" cliche
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Aug 05, 2009 3:10:28 PM CDT
First half was great with that Cocteau Twins Song...
by swivile bobble fizz fizz
then it turns into a typical yet highly stylized domestic thriller trailer. It does invoke Heavenly Creatures, just more annoying swooping CGI shots. Gets old very fast
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wow that's far out! So he's a disgruntled nutjob?
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Unless he's lying for kicks, it certainly sounds like he's a disgruntled former employee. Funny how he says that Jackson tried to "blacklist" him and so forth. I'm just wondering if he didn't get fired for being a terrible writer. Just look at that post!
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and the colours of all the CGI shots
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ok it's got a dead ghost girl and a murderer. well done! You saw what everyone else did in the trailer. Your last two posts have just destroyed your whole argument haha you fucking goof!
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is all about the Money. Can I get a loan?
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Aug 05, 2009 3:22:11 PM CDT
Mr. Nice Gaius, was just thinking the same thing!
by talkbacker with no name
Got anymore? That's the sort of stuff you see on the walls of a mental asylum written in shit.
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No, that was the only post; livingwater never followed up with us.
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Aug 05, 2009 3:36:49 PM CDT
Playkins and Talkback WNN - JUST ADMIT YOU LICK BALLS
by zombieheathledger
Seriously. STFU. First of all, I have since read the wiki just to see if the trailer is a red herring and no, the trailer is not a red herring a la ANNIE HALL, in fact it's very straight forward so your point is moot. Plus, I've read the talkbacks describing the movie and the trailer is pretty much straight forward to what everyone has said about it there as well so again your "hey the trailer could be misleading" point you are trying so desperately (and failing) to make is that the trailer is different from the movie is dead wrong and moot. And I knew you were going to dodge with the 'solving' of the murder quote from my post that's why I clarified what I said in my subsequent post to: Is bringing CLOSURE to the girl's murder integral to the plotline? And the answer to that is YES. And THAT is like CHILD OF GLASS. And if she is DEAD and she is watching down from heaven and the trailer CLEARLY shows her on the Earthly plane no matter how many hairs you want to split, calling her a "ghost" is still pretty fucking accurate. She doesn't need sheets and chains to be a ghost you FUCKING IDIOT. Remember the Patrick Swayze movie? Where he died and still roamed around on the Earthly plane? What was that called again? Oh, yeah, GHOST!! You idiot! And yes, I have read Gibson numbnuts, but the specific points mentioned here are not akin to the specific similarities between Gibson's work, or Asimov's for that matter, as it pertains to the Matrix or or how it applies here. Now go fuck your mother.
And Talkbacker with no name, thanks for agreeing to my points about the similarities, if you had just let that admission exist from the start maybe you wouldn't have gotten your panties in a bunch. Game, set, and match, dickheads. I'm guessing none of you have seen CHILD OF GLASS, right? -
you are a mental.
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a failure like the rest of his failed films
by livingwater
The guy isn't Tolkien even if he can wear Tolkien's shoes for a miles. Stealing is no compensation for talent. I walked out of the screening of Brain Dead in his theater.... sick minded junk. He is an amateur affecting greatness that is why he has to steal and reference. There is no real talent, and the studios are waking up to that. Plus the fact that he plays political games BIG TIME behind the scenes. THERE IS ONE AND ONE ONLY ONLY REAL REASON he made this film...........he and I both know it......and this talkback is the only voice I get....... is because of a certain concept it contains... ....STOLEN FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT I WROTE. I am not getting into it. Not a nice guy. He needs to retire and get paid by a VFX industry New Line created, and that he completely doesn't understand.
I'm not pretending anything...
by livingwater
and the conversation is closed. It's not a debate or ego trip. This is an anonymous account.
actually, Lovely Bones will BOMB
by livingwater
sorry for the typo darthvedder81 and Mr Gorilla have it right he only did this film to piss off an ex employee who wrote a better script than him, and the other script contains some similar themes.... but PJ isn't into it. Fighting with the art director over heaven, is very sadly typical of this director's greedy, mean spirited on-set games. Maybe he should take up rugby ?
rape and mutilation at Christmas has no audience
by livingwater
but they are too full of ego bloat to even imagine anyone else existing
Jackson knows it will bomb, that is why it is up against Avatar
by livingwater
he OBVIOUSLY has no faith in this garbage.........I am interested to see how many other things he stole from the other script..... -
More if you type livingwater aicn into google. Seems he hates Burton and depp working together as well. That's a batshit post!
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Eat the shit out of my ass, motherfucker.
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I can't eat the shit out of your ass because your dad's syphilis ridden dick is crammed up in it, sweatpea. Nice meltdown you're having there. :)
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Is it "Ya know, I'm never gonna get laid anyway, so I'll make myself as absolutely repulsive as possible by growing a grimy, stinky beard that only the bear-lovers will covet."
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Nice use of Cocteau Twins. Movie looks okay too.
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The script was the best I've read in years. The film cost WAY too much money, but I gotta say the trailer looks great. Really excited to see this.
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Now you're insulting my punctuation. Talk about grasping for straws. Can I insult your paragraph structure and lack of line breaks now?
Pardon for my impatience with dealing with such an obtuse fucktard.
Now you're saying this is like "Ghost"? All while still freely admit to knowing nothing about the original story... Mindbogglingly dumb.
"the trailer CLEARLY shows her on the Earthly plane no matter how many hairs you want to split, calling her a "ghost" is still pretty fucking accurate."
See, THIS is the kind of stuff that proves your ignorance. This quote is perfect proof of why you're wrong in judging by the trailer. She's not a ghost. She's never a ghost. She's NEVER on the "Earthly plane". What you're seeing in the trailer are (from what I can tell) the thoughts/imagination/whatever of the characters that are thinking about Susie Salmon, what she experienced. Visual manifestations of the other characters, NOT Susie's ghost. You're seeing a storytelling device. Calling her a GHOST is about as inaccurate as you could get. THAT'S what makes this a unique story. It never degrades into a ghost movie- a fact you're blatantly unaware of.
And don't worry, my dad won't be in the way for the rimjob. He's busy slipping his salami in your mom's stinky twat. -
Aug 05, 2009 5:56:19 PM CDT
The killer's ending needs to be different to the book
by performingmonkey
In the book it feels so anti-climactic. Maybe it SHOULD, you don't want to give him a completely redeemed end or anything because, when all's said and done, he raped and murdered Susie, but his book death is almost comedic. He falls off his bike down a slope, or something like that, into a tree and dies. Maybe that's not right and I'm forgetting it but it's something LIKE that. I was like 'wtf??' The emotional material is all laid out there for the actors to take hold of. Sarandon will be fine but I'm not sure about Rachel Weisz doing an American accent and Mark Wahlberg just...acting in general (he wasn't Jackson's first choice, they had to fire the first guy after certain disagreements apparently), My guess is that Saoirse Ronan could be up for another Oscar and maybe Sarandon. Let's forget about Wahlberg, I don't think he has it in him. Rachel Weisz possibly, though the role is boring. Btw it's listed as being 139 minutes, and it doesn't even come out in the UK till January!!
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Hopefully there will be some vindication in this for Marky Mark after that horrible shamalamadingdong film he did! It made him look like terrible actor.
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...from what I can tell. And that is a bummer. Heavenly Creatures is my favorite Peter Jackson film next to Meet The Feebles. And I was hoping, praying that it would be at that level. The CGI looks overdone. That shakey cam shot was just ridiculous. Honestly this doesn't look good at all. A serious disappointment :(
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Stanley Tucci.
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Why do they all where them?
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I didn't know anything about this. I'm glad i watched the preview.
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They should have gotten a better more experienced and mature actor. He looks like the murdered girl's older brother. But I guess that is what you get with last minute casting.
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Get it right you unintelligent fucks!
I'm so fucking tired of seeing "wa-la" wah-la" or some other retarded variation.
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I have friends his same age that have 15 year old kids. None of my friends look any older than him. It's scary and makes me feel like an old fart. :-(
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Aug 05, 2009 10:17:53 PM CDT
DOES SHE CRAWL ON CEILINGS AND MAKE CLICKING NOISES?
by bringingsexyback
I'm sick of girl ghost movies!!!
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Zooey Deschanel looked supremely cute on Top Chef Masters tonight. Made me wish I could eat her pussy out.
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As was George Clooney. This was before he started playing George Clooney in every movie. In fact I don't recall him bobbing his head in that one.
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We don't write French here.
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Is there anyone who works on this website who isn't morbidly obese? I mean, my god. Talk about confirming the stereotype.
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Aug 06, 2009 7:16:05 AM CDT
Actually, Playkins, don't be too hard on that Zombie-guy
by the curious dr humpp
His reaction is one that I expect (and fear) many others to have after watching this trailer. Especially those that haven't read the novel -- and you can't really blame them. It's just the way the story and concept of the film is presented in the trailer. Even though PJ shows his scrawny face introducing the teaser, I for one have trouble believing that this marketing-montage is his handywork. Knowing PJ's rabid love for his source material, I'm convinced he would have cut this differently.
So blame it on the marketing guys over at Dreamworks / Paramount for presenting this film as 'a tense thriller about a murdered girl hunting down her killer from beyond the grave, with some fantasy elements thrown in'. So yeah, I can understand how people would think this is like What Dreams May Come meets Ghost meets The Ring or something. When in fact, if you had to compare this to something, it would be more like What Dreams May Come meets Ordinary People or maybe In the Bedroom. It's an observational story about a family dealing with a sudden tragedy and (SPOILERISH) ultimately falling apart because of it.
I actually expected a very different trailer for this film. You know, with the 'from Academy Award winner Peter Jackson', 'starring Academy Award nominee Saoirse Ronan, Academy Award nominee Mark Wahlberg, Academy Award Winner Rachel Weisz, Academy Award Winner Susan Saradon', etc. title cards interspersed with dramatic shots of the family dealing with the tragedy. Well, maybe they'll do that with the second trailer. -
I think it it.
Every prophet to her house. -
The killer is Groucho Marx!
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did anybody notice by his voice that he was pulling a Happening-redux on us? What the fuck was Jackson thinking? Was he that starved and rushed to find somebody to fill in the void that Gosling left?
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It looks kinda like What Dreams May Come!
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Aug 06, 2009 1:12:52 PM CDT
Very poor trailer... but that doesn't mean it will suck
by mattmanreturns
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