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Quint chats AVATAR one on one with James Cameron!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with one of the biggie interviews I was lucky enough to snag at this year’s Comic-Con. I had gotten the chance to interview James Cameron back in 2006 right before he announced what his Project 880 was and I tried to keep my geek in check as best I could. Read that here if you missed it. I don’t know how well I succeeded then, but this time I didn’t have time to freak out. The interview below is really short, but considering very few people got 1:1s with Cameron at the Con this year (and also given Fox’s track record of (not) working with AICN) I’m still very grateful for the opportunity. Before the recorder was turned on there was some small talk about how awesome Weta is. Cameron mentioned that he’d seen some of their design work on THE HOBBIT (his exact words were that it was “the shit”) and that it really is the original trilogy world created by Weta and Peter Jackson, but with a slight influence of Guillermo del Toro’s style. Cameron said the two styles mix perfectly together. That began our talk about the design phase on AVATAR in which Cameron mentioned joining in with the Weta guys to design a few specific creatures in the movie (keep in mind he got his start doing design work with Roger Corman). That’s where we begin. Hope you enjoy the chat!



Quint: Which creatures were you more hands on in terms of designing or can you say?

James Cameron: Sure, well the Thanator is my baby. I told everybody “Just step the hell back. That’s mine!” The Viper Wolf I did some early drawings for and that ended up being about ninety percent what I had sketched out. The other ones evolved from the group, like the Sternbeast, the Banshees, the Leonopteryx. Wayne Barlowe even got a little of his scent on the Leonopteryx. He was one of our first designers, but he didn’t stay with the project very long, but the big kind of double crest that it has on her… We haven’t released any art on the Leonopteryx yet, but it’s a major player story-wise. [Quint note: They may have not released any official art, but the toy was on display on the Con floor and Kraken snagged a photo of it:]

You know, everything that they saw in there today is all first half of the film. I want thh3 to have a good foundation, but their imaginations are going to have to build on that for the next few months, because there is a story in this film as well, besides just the complexity and completeness of the world.

Quint: Yeah, so then this presentation was more of introducing the fans to the world and to the tech…

James Cameron: It’s a learning curve.

Quint: The 3-D is pretty incredible. What I loved about your footage was that it’s not just a window into your film. The way you frame your shots, you also frame the distance between the audience and the screen as well. I see a lot of 3-D now is just kind of that just looking through a window in 3-D…

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James Cameron: You have to know you are making a 3-D film, but the style that I’ve always used has gone foreground/background compositions, there’s always something kind of intruding in the frame in the foreground or sort of framing the action compositionally and I tend towards the shorter focal length lenses which work well in 3-D, because I’ve always been interested in the characters in an environment, not the characters against an out of focus bunch of lights that you know is a city, but you can’t actually see it, which is how let’s say Michael Mann would shoot MIAMI VICE. That style would not translate into 3-D at all. It just wouldn’t work, but the style that I used on TITANIC let’s say, or even ALIENS translates perfectly; I don’t even have to rethink how I do things. Here’s a question for you. You’ve seen the material presented in 3-D. Is the story 3-D or is the story the world and the characters? Let’s say we hadn’t made the movie in 3D at all, who would care? Would it still be cool?

Quint: Honestly, once we’re on Pandora I wasn’t paying much attention to the 3-D.

James Cameron: Exactly! If you are doing your job right in terms of lighting and composition and just kind of the way you set a shot, it should cue the eye. Depth should be cued in terms of the image elh3ents that are not actually stereoscopic. I’ve been doing that my whole career, so adding the stereo is adding a layer, but it’s not some whole new thing.

Quint: Yeah, it’s just another piece for storytelling, another tool in the toolbox.

James Cameron: It’s like better sound. It’s not going to hurt your film, but you don’t rely on it.

Quint: Exactly and you didn’t have a lot of “Poke ‘em in the eye” stuff, but like I said I liked that you placed 3-D between the audience and the screen, because that I think that kind of 3-D work is being automatically dismissed by most filmmakers, especially with animated films in 3-D.

James Cameron: It’s gone from every shot having to be a “Poke you in the eye” gag or the “paddle ball”…

Quint: Yeah, the SCTV bit…

James Cameron: Yes, exactly. “That’s so last century” and a bit “classe” and now “let’s just be an aquarium” where everything is happening beyond the frame and really the answer is if the stereo camera is three feet from you, you are going to feel as an audience, like we are three feet from you. That’s how it works!

Quint: That’s how it should be! Let the story dictate what is in 3-D and what is not.

James Cameron: The space is the space, so it’s whatever space you want the people to experience. Do you want them to feel very close to the characters? Do you want them to feel immersed in the moment? When you are tracking down a corridor, do you want to feel like you are in a corridor? Or are you interested in a more stacked composition that’s very long lensy? I’ve done both in this film and sometimes what you are saying artistically at a given moment maybe is not best served by 3-D, in which case I just sort of forget about it. Who cares? Every shot doesn’t have to be the best 3-D shot in history.



Quint: Story-wise, I think what’s really interesting about AVATAR is you originally envisioned this quite a while back and then you revisited it, came back to the story. Did that help you shape it to what it eventually became or was it more of a challenge to merge your present day self with your ideas a decade or more ago?

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James Cameron: No, no. I had sort of forgotten about it, to tell you the truth. I wrote it back in the mid nineties in order to be a sort of catapult to fling Digital Domain ahead of ILM and some of the other houses in terms of 3-D character development, because that’s where we were weak. At the time we were ruling on 2-D composite. We had the best color space around and the best composite system around, but we were way behind on creature development, because we were cutting our teeth on films like TRUE LIES and APOLLO 13 and TITANIC that didn’t have any of that. So I thought “Alright, fuck it. I’m going to go way out in front,” so I created something that was like way, way out in front and when I took it to the Digital Domain guys to break down, they said “Dude, you are out of your mind.” They really did. They said “We can’t do this. It’s going to either cost an insane amount of money, like building the pyramids, or it just simply won’t be possible,” so I said “Alright fine,” so I shoved it in a drawer and forgot about it.

Quint: And the technology caught up.

James Cameron: It did. And then I was watching I think the second LORD OF THE RINGS film where Gollum has the soliloquy with himself and I thought “Oh, we can do it now. If they can do that, then we can do AVATAR.” Now we’ve got to look at economies of scale, because that’s one short scene and can we do a whole film that way? But at least it was now officially possible.

Quint: Because you can see Andy Serkis in that performance.

James Cameron: Absolutely. Now it turns out that a lot of that was keyframe and it was inspired by Andy, but it was actually a lot of keyframe work. We have eliminated a lot of the keyframe steps, or at least we have enslaved keyframe to the actors in a way that is 100% what the actors are doing. I mean really 100%, not 95%. We thought we would be lucky if we got 90% when we started down this road, but it’s a hundred percent actor driven what you’re seeing there, which is why the characters are quite humanoid, maybe to the disappointment of some hard science fiction people that would say “We are tired of all of these Klingons and everything that look like people because they are makeup on an actor and now you are doing CG and making it look like a person.” But if you really look at it carefully, Neytiri’s eyes by volume are four times the size of a human eye. Sam Worthington’s Avatar character, his eyes are twice as far apart as his real eyes. It’s not a look that you could actually accomplish with makeup and other physical features like ear replacement and nose and length of face... All of those things just are not possible with make up and because makeup is additive and they are these ecto-morphic continuated figures… It wouldn’t look like that.

Quint: Alright, well I think they are wrapping us up, but thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us.



Like I said, way too short, even if we’re only really discussing 24 minutes of footage. I have no idea if we’ll be invited for further Avatar coverage, but speaking for myself I’d love another shot at picking Jim’s brain about this film and the technology he’s using, but more importantly, the story he’s telling. Obviously that’s a conversation for closer to release (or maybe even after release), but if we have another shot at discussing this film with Cameron you better believe we’re on it. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    First?

    by Geomancer21

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Avatar 2: Electric Boogaloo

    by MANNZILLA

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Mr. Cameron, Why Didnt You Buy The Terminator Rights

    by MANNZILLA

    When it was available. Even if you didnt want to direct them, at least you would have had creative control with any sequels.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Isn't this the same ole same ole?

    by gboybama

    I love the technology and Cameron's track record is second to none. I'm sure the look of the film will be amazing.<p> But, what do we know about the story? Evil human rape the pristine newly discovered world for its natural resources? Isn't that about the most tired, uninteresting cliche possible?<p> First, there's District 9 with its "20 years too late" Apartheid story and now this. Cutting edge social commentary there.<p> Anyway, I hope I'm wrong.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    argh

    by gboybama

    Make that "evil humans." Sheesh, no edit function for the lose.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Meh I dunno...

    by ScottinDC

    I am still totally unexcited about this project. Despite all the hype on this (and similar sites), I'm still betting on a decent box office showing but it won't come close to rivaling the box office of The Dark Knight or Cameron's Titanic. The folks who have seen the footage so far have been slightly underwhelmed (sad but true fact folks...the comic con buzz was that the half an hour of footage was cool - but not life altering).

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Is anyone else seeing a rogue '3' throughout this report?

    by OpticNerve

    Don't know if this is a common issue (I'm on Firefox), but I'm seeing 'h3' in place of numerous letter pairing throughout this article...annoying...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Optic

    by Quint

    My fault. Did a find/replace for some code and that means a few slipped through into the actual text. Let me know if you spot any others... I think I got most of 'em.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Ohh...I know why "Neytiri’s eyes are four times the size...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...by volume of a human eye..." And I think you do too. I don't even have to say it.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Hi I'm James Cameron. You may remember me

    by lockesbrokenleg

    from movies I directed about 20 years ago. Now, I'm shooting a movie that's gonna really bomb in a few months.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    LOS OJOS SEXO!!

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    AVATAR! Can't wait!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Rogue 'h3'

    by Flim_

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Rogue 'h3'

    by Flim_

    Someone replaced some 'em's with 'h3's...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    PLEASE MAKE ALIENS 2!!!!

    by GeorgieBoy

    Alien 3 & 4 never happened!!!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    menwholooklikeoldlesbians.com

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/2tazou

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Was he criticizing

    by MorganLeafy

    Miami Vice there? Cause I love that movie and especially its look. Mr. Cameron, your movies are ok and I’m sure Avatar will be really impressive but you’re no Michael Mann

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Nice jab at Mann

    by alienindisguise

    Mann seems like he doesn't give 2 shits about framing a shot or how it cuts together. I never understood the mass amount of love for his work.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I didn't get that he insulted Mann at all.

    by Traumnovelle

    I think he was just comparing Mann's style of filmmaking to his own. I don't think a Michael Mann movie would work in 3D either.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    And to clarify..

    by Traumnovelle

    ..I am a GIANT Michael Mann fan.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    This movie needs more bullshit hype

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Where are all the eye fucking reports from the 6000 people at Comic Con?<P> I thought this movie was going to be:<P> "an epic masterpiece"<P>"game changer"<P> "New state of the art 3D technology like nothing you've seen before"<P> "like dreaming with your eyes open"<P> "this generations Star Wars"<P> " amazing photo real CGI" <P> " great story and wonderful characters" <P> The Na'vi look like shit.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    [maori accent] rogue h3 to base... come in, over? jedi approchin

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    g! [/maori accent]

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A TEASER BY NOW CAMERON!

    by CarlThorMark1978

    Look, I’m very excited about Avatar as it is a James Cameron Sci-fi flick but the man is a well know egomaniac and although that has served him well in the past I think that he’s making a huge mistake by not having released, at the very least, a teaser with Star Trek, Terminator Salvation, Transformers, Harry Potter and G.I. Joe.<br> <br>The fact is that almost NO ONE outside of the geek community knows a fucking thing about this movie let alone that it’s even been made. I hope that Cameron doesn’t have the Stanly Kubrick disease where he thinks that people will flock to see Avatar just because it’s a James Cameron Movie™. Coincidentally it’s been twelve years since Titanic, the same length of time between Full Metal Jacket and Eyes Wide Shut.<br> <br>Like I said, I’m hoping that it’s going to be great but Cameron has to start selling this fucking thing to audiences because from everything I’ve seen and heard it sounds like Dances with Wolves meets Halo. Right now I’m more excited about District 9 and that’s because of that movies fantastic trailers.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    TRANNYFORMERS_APOLOGIST

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    i can't wait for Big Jim Cameron to serve you a piping hot cup of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    HEY, I'M NOT BANNED ANYMORE!!!

    by CarlThorMark1978

    No more posting through proxy servers and fake IP's!!!YAY ME!!!HOORAY FOR EVERYTHING!!!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    WHY NOT LET ME POST AS CreepyThinMan?

    by CarlThorMark1978

    I hate using this CarlThorMark1978 condom to fuck AICN.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Maybe he wasn't insulting Mann

    by MorganLeafy

    but anyway what cineastes like Kubrick and Mann have is that they beautiful images to tell a real story and emote a real atmosphere where with Cameron it's just nice wallpaper.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    CARLTHORMARK1978

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    it won't let you post as CreepyThinMan because that one received TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I thought M Night Shyamalamadingding was making this...

    by Duke_Whittington

    Heh...I jest of course. I've spent the last year nay saying and writing this off. I can't apologize enough Mr Cameron. I shall do penance as I eagerly await Avatar making sweet sweet love to my eyesockets.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    CarlThorMark1978

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Trailer in 2 weeks. Prepare those eyeballs.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I still think Transformers 2 will end up making more

    by lockesbrokenleg

    than Avatar.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Avatar is going to be full of it. I laugh at how people have judged the film already from 20 minutes near the start of the film.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Tranny

    by CENOBITE

    "Where are all the eye fucking reports from the 6000 people at Comic Con?" I've posted here various times how excellent the footage was. The stuff shown wasn't the full on eye-raep... that will be later in the film. Instead, it was like the hottest woman you ever saw caressing your eyeballs with her nipples.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Avatar is a movie primarily for kids. I predict little boys will see this 5 or 6 times each, the way our generation did for Star Wars. Imagine if you were 10 years old and were handed on a plate a sci-fi epic with massive fucking creatures taking down helicopter gunships on an alien world. <p> Cameron has nothing to worry about here.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Avatar is for kids?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Where did you hear that? I'm sure it won't be for kids.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Nice work!

    by Mennen

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    But where is Bill Paxton

    by Duke_Whittington

    Is he in Avatar? I need my Cameron comfort zones.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Appologies to the animators out there...

    by CENOBITE

    but the mocap in this film looks amazing. There was something about it that we have only seen briefly during Gollum's scene. And here we were seeing minutes of nuanced, sharp and quick movements instead of rubbery and fluid that one sees with so much hand animated stuff. These characters do have human features, which at first is like, "that's not very alien!" but with mocap, and having them have human like features, the ACTING comes through perfectly. I really GOT their emotions. It looked believable and not like watching some cartoon.

  • http://www.filmstar.se/sv/162060/ovrigt/2009-08-03/posters-for-avatar/

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    james cameron

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    IS A COOL DUDE!2 good pieces on him, he's having a GREAT DAY!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's PG-13

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach...Cameron isn't here to service us...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...he's here to service the eye sockets of young boys? 5 OR 6 TIMES?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm sure he'll have a little left over for us too.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The action figure and toy range gives away Cameron's target audience don't you think?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I remember the Aliens cartoon...

    by Duke_Whittington

    ...and the toy range. And then there was Robocop. Everything is for kids

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Friday the 13th has toys too

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and that's rated R.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Kwisatz

    by CENOBITE

    I know I would have shit my pants with joy had I seen it as a kid. However, they didn't show too much gore at the viewing, only Weta knows. From what they did show, I feel it has the possibility of getting extremely violent. However, for some reason I think Cameron is going to push the 'romance' side of it. The 25 min gave some major hints of this during the showing, as if they knew the TWILIGHT crowd would still be watching. I think since he made massive $$$ with Titanic, he wants to bring the female crowd to the viewings, or at least cater the story more to everyone than just the kiddies and the manchildren.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    of course it's for kids

    by MorganLeafy

    that doesn't matter. Star wars wasn't exactly adult material either but I can still enjoy it now (not the prequels obviously-well maybe Revenge of the Sith)

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I hope so, he's been practicing on eyeballs four times...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the size by volume. FOUR TIMES THE SIZE BY VOLUME.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Hype does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    So many CGI characters front and centre on this film makes me worried as fuck.<p> PJ sold the LOTR trilogy so brilliantly becuase of his mix of practical and CG. The 'real' Uruk Hai, the 'real' Helms Deep walls, mixed with the CG elements in the wide shots.<p> So far from reports the Navi sound more Jar Jar than Uruk Hai if you get my drift. 'Dial down your expectations' is not what you want to hear from a film that originally promised a new technological dawn - but that seems to be the over-riding buzz from comic con footage.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    It's not the CGI that worries me.

    by Duke_Whittington

    He did such sterling work with Titanic, which was basically a film most people tollerated to see the ship sink at the end.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Navi are definitely NOT Jar Jar

    by CENOBITE

    Think more along the lines of Gollum, but blue.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Transformers is for kids too

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and it has jive talking homey robots!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Oh, and will there ever be an anamorphic DVD of the Abyss?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Lockesbrokenleg

    by Duke_Whittington

    Yes, then there'll be the anamorphic director's cut. Then the 3D version with a collector's edition tentacle.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Cenobite, we'll see, we'll see.<p> I just hate it when you're watching a live action film and then the shit 'CGI' character appears and breaks the immersion.<p> I genuinely hope the Navi are photo real and seamless as some say, but the comic con reviewers say they ain't - the rest of us will see when the first trailers pop up.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The problem with CGI...

    by Duke_Whittington

    ...is no matter how fantastic they look your brain tells you they're wrong.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Nice job, Quint

    by Kraaken

    For a quick interview, you engaged Jim well and had a good discussion.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Cobra, I was in hall H for Avatar...

    by CENOBITE

    and I saw. I totally get what you are saying. I think the 3D Glasses actually helps negate some of that "oh shit, here's the obvious CG character" syndrome. They also move freakishly real. However, we are SO used to seeing computer graphics now days, that our brains have been tuned to see it. Whatever... in my opinion, these were the best CG characters I've seen since Gollum.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The double-meaning of Avatar . . .

    by lavaboat

    You have to remember, Cameron's not trying to create game-changing fx here, he's shooting for a more fully immersed film experience. Remember, there are two Avatars at work here, the one that the characters employ to explore Pandora. And then there's the one that we the film fans strap on when we take our seat. Cameron is commenting here on the magic of literally losing oneself in a film, descending fully into it's world. This is the trick that Cameron is attempting to pull off. The real Avatar device is the film itself.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Duke_Whittington, the Aliens cartoon

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    didn't air though, did it? I thought it was canned before the premier.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    CENOBITE

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron has said it is a love story, so I guess we should expect plenty of romance.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    CENOBITE

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What was your impression of the acting, cinematography etc?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Fa_Tass_DinoMolester.

    by Duke_Whittington

    I'm glad you sorted that out. I remember clips from the cartoon airing when the toys were advertised and thinking where is the cartoon then? Where the hell is it?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Wasn't WATCHMEN supposed to be a game changer too

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Uh yeah, right, pass.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    My impressions...

    by CENOBITE

    Well, the first scene shown with the seargent talking to the cadets: the hair on my neck stood up. It reminded me SO MUCH of ALIENS, I got a little misty. The acting seemed good. Not academy award or anything, but good. When I saw Joel Moore and I thought, "Oh shit, here's the Jar Jar of the group!" but from what they showed, thank god not. Cinematography was 'Iconic'. It was like being back in the 80's in a way. I miss that sort of camera work... it was James Cameron 100%. I think the CG came off a bit 'cartoony' ONLY because of how colorful it all was. If it were all shades of sepia, it woudn't of had that effect. It was all inspired by things here on earth, so the 'alien' part of it wasn't like an H.R. Giger 'fuck your mind' sort of alien. Even with the CG, I still felt Sam Worthington was apart of that character. That's a hard thing to pull off.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by kwisatzhaderach

    In what way was Watchmen supposed to be a game changer? What in Zack Snyder's previous work would make anyone think that?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    CENOBITE

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks man. "Cinematography was 'Iconic'. It was like being back in the 80's in a way. I miss that sort of camera work... it was James Cameron 100%." - That's exactly the sort of thing i've been wanting to hear.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    People thought it was going to be better than TDK

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I heard that for months.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Different expectations on 'game chager' meaning

    by CENOBITE

    It's plain to see that Cameron wants the CG to be at a point that makes us emotional, draws us into the character. I think that's a hard target to reach, but I do think he will succeed. Now, all us geeks of course immediately thought that 'game changer' meant graphics, 'tech shit' and not

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    ...and not emotional

    by CENOBITE

    oops.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Yoda and Gollum

    by lockesbrokenleg

    two great CG creations These furry cat people have a long way to go.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    AVATAR IS GOING TO SUCK MEYE BALLS

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    blah blah blah technology yadda yadda yadda <p> Soon you'll realize Cameron has gone the way of the Lucas. "I wrote this film to have more CGI in it than ILM has in theirs."

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    furry?

    by CENOBITE

    they didn't look too furry. More 'eel-like'

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    The 'romance aspect' is my only worry....

    by Cervantes

    ....not that I've got anything against a 'love story' in general, it's just that it seems to be a kinda 'inter-SPECIES' romantic plotline potentially.... Now THAT'S the bit that I may have 'believing in' where this movie is concerned. As far as everything else, I have no doubt that once Cameron's trademark ACTION 'set-pieces' kick in, we're all going to be too enthralled in the whole thing to be concerned if every single thing is 100% 'photoreal' in every aspect throughout or not. At the end of the day this thing is gonna be the furthest thing away from 'Blarp' in the 'Lost in space' disaster possible, and I for one can't wait. By the way, I got worried for a second there as I though Jim said the 'Hobbit' designs were SHIT! Thankfully, he'd said they were THE shit! YAY!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Moebius and Cameron?

    by CENOBITE

    anyone know if Moebius had anything to do with Avatar? When watching the Pandora footage, all I kept thinking about was Heavy Metal and Moebius's work. The creatures and Navi had that sort of feel to them.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!! WHERE'S A TRAILER??

    by HaterofCrap

    or better yet, where's the spy cam footage of that comic con panel? i know its out there and i'm tired of being jerked around and teased.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Not surprised Cameron helped design the creatures...

    by TurdontheRun

    The guy's a great artist, so much so that his iconic designs for the terminator endoskeleton, the Alien Queen, and the bioluminescent aliens from The Abyss, were translated to the screen almost verbatim from his original sketches.<p>Cenobite, I'm very pleased to hear that this movie has an Aliens feel to it, both cinematographically and design-wise. Hopefully JC has couched this fantastical world in his usual very gritty and industrial, 'tech-noir' style. I've seen a still from the movie, and the seminal cold, blue Cameron lighting is very much in evidence.<p>Of this much, I am sure; Cameron has another winner in the bag here, and while the usual cretins will lather their negative bile all over the Avatar talkbacks in the coming months, no matter how good the trailers/footage/ coverage that's upcoming proves to be, Cameron will have the last laugh when the movie is finally released, as he usually does. Then, of course, he'll move onto his next project, only to be met again by the usual chorus of haters, and have to 'prove' himself all over again. But such is life...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    My eyeballs will be four times bigger this November

    by Autodidact

    I will have fucked-out sockets four times bigger than normal from Cameron's cinematic eyeball humpage.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Also, the romance element will be cool....

    by TurdontheRun

    There was a very trippy alien sex scene in the original treatment, as I recall. Who knows, may turn a few weirdoes on...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    I didn't even recognize Cameron's picture

    by axel fff

    I guess that's what happens when you drop off the radar for a decade.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    HaterofCrap

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Trailer hits Aug 21st.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    CENOBITE, HOW DID THE COLORS OF THE FOOTAGE LOOK?

    by CarlThorMark1978

    The reason is that I’m a cinematography geek and I wanted to know if Cameron was going for the type of beautiful, rich, color saturated photography that we saw in Star Trek or is it more of the same desaturated, monochromatic crap that we’ve seen in Terminator Salvation and Harry Potter? Don’t get me wrong, that look is fine depending on the type of movie being made but I think it’s used way too much these days.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Nice

    by Teddy Artery

    to see Wayne Douglas Barlowe was involved, even if for a short time. His work is spectacular. Now about the entering a dream world aspect of Avatar... I actually experienced a similar feeling when I watched Titanic the first time. About half-way into the film I had the odd sensation that I was literally on the ship with the characters. I think there is something about a long-playing film that is essentially hypnotic. We already know that the flicker of the projector or on a TV has a mild hypnotic effect. I bet Cameron knows this and uses this to full effect in Avatar to completely immerse you in the world and the story.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by Teddy Artery

    Only Titanic and one or two other films have had this effect on me before (I think T2, in fact was one of the others). A movie that can lull you into the believability of it's existance is a very special thing.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Miami Vice actually felt proto-3D

    by gamus

    Same with Public Enemies. In contrast to what Cameron said, a lot of the shots were noticeable because you could see the background so clearly. In Public Enemies one of the best shots was in Billie's apartment where you can see every detail of the crackling train as it runs past her window in the background. It really did feel like you were getting a multi-dimensional scopic vision of the film, the background not just a frame for the characters but actually making the characters less significant. It felt almost anamorphic - you didn't know where to look exactly, the twoing and froing between background and character creating a sense of a gaze looking back at you.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Teddy Artery, DAVID CRONENBERG'S CRASH GAVE ME THE SAME FEELING.

    by CarlThorMark1978

    I don't know why but the first time I saw that movie I felt like I was being completely absorbed by some sort of hypnotic effect. I’ve seen virtually every weird movie ever made but for some reason Crash is the only movie that has ever enveloped me in that way. The only two other movies comparable would be Fight Club and American Psycho.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    The Bust of Cameron.

    by ThroughTheBrokenWindowWithDancinDelroyLindo

    I love The Cameron, but his new look has left me fearful. Having now shaved his epic beard, and let his locks grow to a smooth and lengthy grey...he seems to have fashioned his appearance after that of an elder, llama-like tribal chieftain. Bow to his power.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Jesus Kwisatz

    by white_vader

    DON'T feed the troll dude! Lockes is a huge fucking joke. His shtik is basically that he posts on everything, saying he hates it/it's fucked, with a couple of similarly shit-stirring exceptions. He can take his broken record and piss off. <p> And they sell toys for anything. There were a TON of Dark Knight specific toys aimed at young kids who were never ever going to see the movie. Hell, I worked on merch for the original Jurassic Park - there was a huge disconnect between the demographics for the film's audience and rating, and the demo for the toys. But hell, any excuse to sell a shitload of dinosaur toys...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Ironic's post ftw!

    by white_vader

    Awesome. Update it to include Cameron's pic though! <p> Oh and Flickapoo's first post too. Before you had to explain it...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    ridley scott to direct "alien" prequel!

    by Toe Jam

    how is this not on the site yet? it's already being reported by cnn.com, fer chrissakes.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    white_vader...I know...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I know...I just couldn't leave it alone. I tried, I just...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    CarlThorMark

    by CENOBITE

    The colors were definitely saturated. I couldn't help but think of the website CGtalk. Every scene looked like an amazing concept art piece.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I love the sound of those creatures.

    by hallmitchell

    For me, i can't think of anything more geek cool than possible (if it exists) footage of James Cameron riffing with designers and going over sketches of possible creatures for Pandora.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Toe Jam

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's been on this site for a few days now.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Not a SINGLE mention of eye-fuckery?

    by Galactic

    Disappointed.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    kwis

    by DrMorbius

    I heard Cameron say that 15 minutes of footage would be shown on as many IMAX screens as possible on 8-21-09 and for free, but nothing about a trailer!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint

    by DrMorbius

    Did I miss it or have you not posted an article about the panel you hosted for Solomon Kane at Comic Con. I was there front row center, even took a picture of you and your hand lettered placard.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    WTF?!?! CAMERON TAKES A POT SHOT AT MICHAEL MANN

    by ChoclateWoman

    and then proceeds to tell us that Avatar was CREATED TO BE A FUCKING TECH DEMO. Read it, he says I wrote the script to push the tech in my special effects company!! LAME. No fisting rights for you, cameron. Maybe back in the day before titantic (thanks for the tits).

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by Quint

    I didn't write that panel up. I figured I put in my time already. I guess no one else from AICN was there, I figured it'd be someone else describing the footage. I'll probably post a wrap-up of my set visit and discuss the footage shown here in the near-ish future. Sorry you had to sit so close to me and listen to my stammering. Being up on that stage is a bit like sticking your finger in the dam... if I stopped to think how many people were in that room the whole thing would have come crashing down on me and I would have been even more of a whimpering mess.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    ChoclateWoman, CAMERON WAS NOT TALKING SHIT ABOUT MANN....

    by CarlThorMark1978

    He was saying how the style of HD photography that Mann used for Miami Vice couldn't be used for a 3D movie and he's right. That's all. It was not a swipe at Mann or his movie. Can we drop this subject now and get back to the eye rape?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    It's really hard to read to get a handle on this.

    by OutlawsDelejos

    WITHOUT SEEING A SINGLE FUCKING FRAME OF FOOTAGE.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    well, ctm, what about the bit where Jim says avatar is

    by ChoclateWoman

    a glorified tech demo, created to get his effects company upto speed with the rest of the industry? Beardless old cameron = fail.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I always thought that Jim Cameron could do no wrong

    by Darth Busey

    But...Jimbo...come on. BRING THE BEARD BACK, DUDE.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Hi I'm lockesbrokenleg...

    by TheWaqman

    you might remember me from the talkbacks as being a delusional Lost fanboy. Who will be crying a year from now when the show finishes with the polar bear shitting out the smoke monster. Don't worry I'll justify it somehow.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Those creatures are going to look badass...

    by TheWaqman

    in 3D. I think the film is going to be a really fun time. Something I've missed since LOTR.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    ectomorphic continuated figures?

    by drturing

    By Jove Big Jim, with such verbiage one might be inclined to believe you were a hydrocephalic, antedilluvian piscoform.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I think there is too much hype now...

    by fassbinder79

    ...And the CGI has me very worried honestly. Cameron is an amazing director. Don't get me wrong. But until we start seeing some footage for this thing I think it may wind up really disappointing alot of people...Including myself. I mean CGI and mocap is really hit or miss. And most of the time I think mocap really doesn't work at all. I mean yeah it might be better mocap then what we've seen so far (i.e. Zemeckis shit and Jackson's Gollum) but its still mocap and CGI. And I don't think CGI or mocap will ever replace the real thing. The more I hear about this film the more I'm convinced that JC should probably just have made it all animated. Its hard to imagine how the live action and CGI mocap will blend together. I'm really hoping this thing is going to be as good as people are saying seeing as its being compared to Al Jolson's The Jazz Singer in terms of the effect it may have on cinema going forward. But I just don't think CGI or mocap will ever be as good as the real thing or tangible creature effects like the ones Rob Bottin and Rick Baker perfected back in the 80's.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    PS Cameron was NOT dissing on Mann

    by fassbinder79

    That was clear. He was just saying that their styles are different. And he's right. I mean Miami Vice would have looked like dog shit in 3D.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Why not diss Mann?

    by TheWaqman

    The guy is talentless. People bitch about the Cameron followers, but Mann's got them too, and he's fucking awful. The Insider and Last of the Mohicans were great, everything else has just been 2 tough guys staring each other down while some shite HD cam records them and some Moby song plays in the background. Oh, how deep...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Gollum worked well....

    by TheWaqman

    blended in with the live action Frodo and Sam. And I'm sure this tech is even more advanced than that. Worry or not, it will all be settled on the 21st.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    ChoclateWoman, DIGITAL DOMAIN ISN'T HIS COMPANY ANY MORE....

    by CarlThorMark1978

    And he wasn’t referring to the present. Cameron was involved at the beginning with Stan Winston but that arrangement dissolved a few years later. Michael Bay is now a shareholder which shows that he is soo obsessed with Cameron that he actually bought into his old FX company. Also, Cameron clearly says that the scriptment for Avatar was designed to advance Digital Domain’s creature design capabilities but the limitations of CGI in the mid to late 90’s just weren’t up to it which is why he abandoned it only until he saw Weta’s work on Gollum.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Seriously?

    by doubleARon

    People reading what cameron said as a diss to Michael Mann?<p> Taking his story about when he wrote it to mean that it was a script for a tech demo?<p> Has Cameron earned no respect with his films? Or are these just disingenuous comments? Or children?<p> Great little interview and it felt SO artificially cut off, like this was going to be a great hour long discussion between like-minded film enthusiasts.<p> On the hype: All the FX hype has deflated a bit. That's good. I miss having Cameron's movies coming out regularly, though. That's all the hype I need. His films have never been perfect --well, maybe Aliens--, but they were always particular and full of great stuff, whether it's emotional, beautiful, super-cool or just advancing film. Can't wait for him to continue cranking out more films.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    TheWaqman

    by fassbinder79

    I haven't seen Public Enemies yet (looks terrible) but Miami Vice was awful. Heat and The Insider are PERFECTION. Wouldn't change a frame of those movies. Mann has gone downhill ever since he started shooting his films digitally. All I was saying was I don't Cameron intended to beat down Mann with his comment. I think he was just stating a fact about the difference between how they shoot movies. Mann's approach is more docu-style now whereas Cameron has always been about the composition. Aliens will always be my favorite JC film. It is one of the best films ever made in my opinion. And he can call himself "King Of The World" all he wants for that fucking movie. My problem is that as much as I like T2 and elements of The Abyss some of that shit really doesn't hold up. CGI is very dangerous technology for filmmakers to be using because its always changing every few years or so. That's why Christopher Nolan's approach is the best one because he primarily uses practical effects either shooting the scenes for real and to scale or using the best fucking models you've ever seen that give a real tangible look to objects and sets. The old way is better than the new way honestly. CGI is simply at the mercy of the times. Its like when I watch Darkman (a film I love) the superimposed shots don't hold up at all. Sure the ideas are good but the technology of the time makes it really dated now. In ten years the CGI we're seeing today will look completely outdated. That's the problem. And even having said that I'm surprised how shitty much of the CGI effects are today considering how far we've come.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    All I know is...

    by fassbinder79

    ...There are three films I am really EXCITED to see right now. 1. Tron Legacy 2. Where The Wild Things Are 3. Book Of Eli And then of course Nolan's Inception (but that looks like its going to be a long way's off). The Tron teaser really impressed me because its the first sequel/remake/whatever that looked like it didn't make a mockery of my childhood. Watching that trailer makes me feel like a kid again. And I haven't felt that way about a movie in a long time.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    James Cameron Should Have A Sitdown With Me

    by Media Messiah

    What would we talk about? I am so insane, in a genius sort of way, we'd find each other very interesting. Cameron is cool.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Cameron Is Using Avatar For R&D...

    by Media Messiah

    ...as he did with "The Abyss", you'll recall the water creature effect(?), which led to the liquid metal moprhing effect for "Terminator: 2"

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    PS: Although Not A Diss, Michael Mann Deserves To Be Dissed...

    by Media Messiah

    ...for "Band Of The Hand" (worst movie of all time???), the horrible "Miami Vice" movie, the barely passable "Collateral", and the largely overrated film "Heat". Some porn movies are better!!!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Cameron is one of us

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    It's so good to have him back. The guy knows his shit.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    I'm fairly excited for Tron and WTWTA

    by TheWaqman

    but my most anticipated for this year are Avatar and The Road. Inception should be awesome, but that's a while away.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    JAMES CAMERON = TOBIN BELL

    by Mullah Omar

    Totally what ran through my mind when I saw that first picture. <br> <br> Time to cast James Cameron as Jigsaw's brother!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Not excited about Avatar but I dig Cameron

    by Quake II

    I'm way more hyped for Inglorious Basterds (I prefer real world based fantasy) but I'll give it a watch. 3-D gets annoying fast though. The glasses, the lack of color and clarity. Every film suffers in 3-D. I trust Cameron but he's been out of the game since Titanic and as directors age, they usually don't get better (Spielberg is a rare exception. Munich was the shit).

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    THE LUCAS/CAMERON PARALLELS ARE UNCANNY AND WORRISOME

    by ChoclateWoman

    Think about it. Both film makers made a series of films beloved by people the world over. Both take an extended break from film making only to come back with a much hyped effects based film they wrote, featuring plenty of digital characters at the forefront. Lucas lost it, thats been confirmed and then some. Will the 10 year break, age (Cameron looks like an old fart in those pics) and obsession with digital effects be Cameron's undoing like lucass? The reception at comic-con was lukewarm at best. All the warning signs are there.. and Cameron doesn't even have his beard anymore. Pussy.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    1: He wasn't tweaking Mann's nuts, and 2: Mann...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...deserves respect for LAST OF THE MOHICANS. If you disagree you can blow me next time I watch it...I might enjoy it even more.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Did Quint backpeadal during his interview?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Quint's reaction to the footage: "Meh." Quint's reaction to the footage to Cameron's question: "Wow!" I don't get it.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    CAMERON LOOKS LIKE A MAFIA LEADER!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    NOW WE KNOW WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    love how all the desperare twits who have such

    by southafricanguy

    a personal issue with Cameron jump on any tiny thing he says as proof of their hatred. Where the fuck was Cameron dissing mann? (im a huge Mann fan btw). He was simply comparing styles and rightly pointing out that Manns style would not work in 3D. Geez, there really are alot of children on this site....

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    anywat....really excited for Avatar, I need a

    by southafricanguy

    epic action sci-fi movie with some originality and imagination. And Cameron really knows how to film action unlike some terrible directors *cough*Bay*cough*.Hopefully Avatar delivers the way I hope it does. Could possibly be the next generations Star Wars....

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Lock...how do you KNOW that Avatar will

    by southafricanguy

    bomb btw? What fact do you know that the rest of us dont? Last time I checked, no-one was able to predict these things. However we do have Camerons track record to go by, but then I guess you were one of those "experts" that also KNEW Titanic would bomb and end his career, right?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Quake

    by DrMorbius

    This is not your fathers 3-D. The clarity was outstanding, and it was on a temp sit-up at Comic Con. If that's your arguement, then you have none.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    SouthAfricanracistGuy

    by ChoclateWoman

    The film has had zero promotion outside of geek circles like this website. No trailers, teasers, nothing. The general public no JACKSHIT about this film as of right now. Recouping Avatars 200mil+ budget won't come from the fat dickless dweebs on this website but from johnny six pack. And they probably don't know or remember who James Beardless Cameron is. The movie is out soon and the only footage shown has managed to seriously underwhelm the geek demographic at comic con, the only people who knew about the thing and were pumped for it. What does that tell you? And think about my Lucass comparisons above. Its written on the wall. Avatar may bomb and cameron will be making "Terminator 5: Wheres sam Worthington? Pumping gas after Avatar tanked".

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    set-up.......argument.......FM.

    by DrMorbius

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I don't know if AVATAR is gonna bomb, but I

    by lockesbrokenleg

    haven't seen a pic or a frame of it, and all I hear about it is from this site. It's like no one else knows it;s coming out. If this was Iron Man, we'd seen half the movie already from clips. And I'm one of the few people on this site that saw Titanic BEFORE it was a massive hit.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    CHOCLATEWOMAN

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    you are a cheeky dink. have you ever been fisted by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    No, TFD

    by ChoclateWoman

    but it sounds like TOTAL FUCKING FUN. Get real, dickwadd.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    CHOCLATEWOMAN

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    guess what? nothing is more fun or real than getting fisted by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    CHOCLATE WOMAN HAS NEVER BEEN EYEBALL FUCKED!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    If I lost an eye and had a removable glass eye

    by ChoclateWoman

    and I liked you enough, you could rowshambo me in there if it really turned you on. But my eye's are pretty safe. Unless lexington steele hits one of em directly with a load.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, midnight CST

    still got rogue 'h3's

    by onezeroone

    Looks like you tried to fix code by replacing em with h3, should have used 'em>' with 'h3>' instead.<p> Still there are two places in text. One, 2nd line 3rd word under the pic of the lenoptyryx.<p> Two, in JC's reply when you say you weren't paying attention to Pandora and he starts with exactly.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    and he isn't insulting Mann...

    by onezeroone

    he is just giving comparison as to what sort of framing/composition won't work well in 3-D.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Everyone Said "Titanic" Would Bomb???

    by Media Messiah

    And it is the biggest move in film history! Avatar is a slow build promotional campaign. You aren't going to see any big promotions for it until November. If you amp up promotions too early, that is just a great way to overhype something too early, and cause people to lose their enthusiasm, well before the film is released. As far as fans being underwhelmed at Comic-Con, James Cameron is mart enough not to give up prized money shots too soon ahead of the opening gate. You'd be a fool as a filmmaker to do that. You slow cook this, and then bring it to a boil spending upward of 100 million to 150 million in adds and promotions just weeks ahead of a film's ultimate release. All the main press will be running with broadcast promos, stories, and magazine covers/articles about Avatar...and they will be all over the place, and that will deliver the audience with the hype over this breaking the glass ceiling of 3D and digital technologies. And then there are all the Avatar toy commercials, the fast food restaurant tie-ins, book adaptation tie-ins, comic book tie-ins, the soundtrack, the video game adds, billboards--and then there is...MTV, YouTube, MySpace, FaceBook--you won't be able to get away from the film. Even if this movie fails, it'll make its cost back easily, in the aftermarkets--i.e., via pay-per-view, cable premium channels, non-premium cable channels, broadcast tv sales, worldwide, DVD...sales and rentals, etc. I remind you, people didn't know what "The Matrix" was until they saw the Super Bowl ads...just weeks before its release. You underestimate the power of the media. Let me remind you, Sarah Palin, was Sarah Nobody until she was nominated to run as Vice-President on the Republican ticket...and overnight, she was known in every American house..a veritable household name, almost instantly...and it took that fast for American Idiots to claim that she could be trusted, and was qualified, to be not only Vice-President...but to be President...with her finger on the button of nukes, knowing little, to nothing about her???<BR><BR>BTW, Waterworld made a profit. <BR><BR>And lastly, Star Wars was not known to the public when it was released, and yet, it became the biggest blockbuster ever released at the time, upon the first several weeks of its release. I rest my case.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    That's...Titanic Is The Biggest Movie In Film History

    by Media Messiah

    Sorry for the typo.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    NEW IMAGE OF NAVI !!

    by supastring

    http:/tiny.cc/SGUE6 Well, just a rough composite I created actually. Still, you can get a quite decent idea of what sam worthington's navi will look like

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Supastring: You Are A Great Artist

    by Media Messiah

    Most impressive. Keep-up the great work!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    gboybama is proof

    by happyboy

    gotta love posts that negate their own arguments. apartheid is alive and well in Israel and the West bank. there's ethic/cultural suppression in Tibet and Western China. that you think apartheid was a "one and done" situation... totally ignorant of anything you aren't bludgeoned over the head with 24/7 illustrates that in fact the dim-witted among us do need constant reminders to be cognizant of basic struggles in the world. as for warnings about human excesses... buddy those warnings go back 3k years all the way to Icarus and Hebrew myths of Sodom and Gommorah... and in 2009 we still have not got our shit together in that regard. In light of that I think you can tolerate one more REALLY GOOD movie that highlights that point without getting your panties in a bunch

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    is that troll lockesbrokenleg

    by Talkbacker with no name

    still bombing in talkbacks? ah yes there he is. <p>you are crazy if you think this will bomb. If it's any good or not, the hype alone will get people into the cinema.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Say what you like a bout Big Jim C

    by ol' painless

    He puts absolutely everything he has into his movies. Quality control, tightly plotted, emotional script, attention to detail, fanatical pursuit of a vision. I believe AVATAR will smoke ALL the fools and doubters. It will MAKE LOVE to our eyeballs.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    chocolatewoman.......how exactly do you

    by southafricanguy

    know if im racist? You want to back up that accusation with something resembling fact as opposed to your own halfwitted opinion that you pass off as such?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    by DrMorbius ....3-D?

    by Quake II

    So you're saying with the glasses on, Avatar has no loss of color or clarity? It's the identical picture quality of a regular film being digitally projected but in 3-D? I'll believe it when I see it. I'm pretty sure the technology for perfect 3-D doesn't exist yet (see UP). One thing that I fear is the "green" hippie dippie don't pollute message I hear the film contains...I got a huge dose of that from Wal-E (which I liked).

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    t'was a joke, guy

    by ChoclateWoman

    If you want to check out some real racists on these boards africa, go no further than dark shite and Yackbacker, a true america hating asshole. Btw, all my points on Cameron/Lucas/Avatar possibly bombing still stand, you apartheid loving asshole.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Quake II

    by CENOBITE

    Funny you should bring that up. Recently I've been pissed when seeing 3D movies due to the brightness loss. However, with these brand new Dolby 3D glasses, the picture maintained its brightness.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by supastring

    Thanks, man. Glad you like it :) Here's a new real image of a navi: http://tiny.cc/rBoLg (I mixed the head of this new image and the face from the comicon banner to create my image)

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Tron Legacy > Avatar

    by Quake II

    Both 3-D movies, but Tron has Jeff Bridges (fucking Flynn!), Identity Discs and Light Cycles. Avatar has pretty planets, spaceships and alien life. Tron wins this round.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Supaspring

    by CENOBITE

    Good job! Yah, that's what they look like, however I noticed that their faces are not symmetrical but more naturally asymmetrical. With the mocap applied it weirdly looked like Worthington.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    eyes...

    by CENOBITE

    that pic in your toy image more closely resembles them. the eyes are quite far from each other.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Supastring: No Need To Thank Me!!!

    by Media Messiah

    You have tremendous talent. That speaks for itself!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Battle Angel > Avatar

    by CENOBITE

    Cameron said Avatar is his warm up for Battle Angel Alita. So fuckin bring it.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Quake....but we ve all seen tron dude, How

    by southafricanguy

    about something new? Something thats not a remake/sequal/reboot/nostalgia blowjob? Avatar wins this round.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Quake

    by DrMorbius

    Clear, vibrant, the colors popped. It's not the old red/green lens glasses. You don't have to believe me, I know what I saw, and it wasn't in IMAX, so I'm betting it'll be even better. Don't know about the story or how the movie will be recieved by the paying audience, or if it has a message or is preachy, visually, I liked what I saw.<P><P>Believe it or not!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Who cares if Avatar bombs?

    by Bass Ackwards

    I never get why so much time and energy is spent, not on box office discussion, but speculation. Are we just hoping to get in early so later in the year we can come back and say "I told you so." What's the point of sitting here trying to explain to everyone why the film will or won't make money? Well I guess talkbacks have always been a place for people to pretend their industry experts, I suppose thats just another facet of that. Anyways, enjoyed the interview, can't say I've read a lot of interviews by Cameron, the guy seems like a big geek though and I love it. Can't wait for Aug. 21st to catch a glimpse, assuming my IMAX actually plays it, which is hit or miss given their history with IMAX movie releases.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Quake

    by DrMorbius

    And on 8/21/09, at an IMAX screen near you, you can check it out for yourself, for FREE!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    AVATAR

    by TheNewDirector

    Come Dec. 18th it's gonna feel fucking real too! Cameron's track record, enough said. And whoever said Heat is overrated needs a lesson on great filmmaking.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    So, is this the real deal?

    by supastring

    http://tiny.cc/RVMol Cenobite? Anyone who's seen the footage?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    URL

    by supastring

    http://tiny.cc/RVMol

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    supa... Yuppers

    by CENOBITE

    That's legit.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Poeple DID know about Star Wars before it came out

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The Public wasn't entirely in the dark about it. Lucas was at comic con, and there were stories in magazines about it. Hell, the novel came out a YEAR before the movie did, and it sold out.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Cenobite

    by supastring

    Cool. Looking forward to seeing it in motion!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Did Cameron karate chop the hell out of that pole or not?

    by thebearovingian

    The man has a frenzied look in his eyes. The focus of a master.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    And was Cameron drinking 'Fiji' brand water?

    by thebearovingian

    What a fuckin' elitist prick! King O' the World gotta have the squared bottle of water!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:49 a.m. CST

    When do we get a trailer?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    That would've been a good question.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    This shit looks like DELGO 2 so far

    by reflecto

    I got a bad feeling about this.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    You need to learn some respect

    by LightninBolt

    And you will in December. Trailer hits just after Avatar day on Aug 21st... some good points here this time, the haters do come across as rather retarded generally.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    thanks to white_vader, I just got flikapoo's eye size joke

    by ironic_name

    score one for white vader.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    cool thing about the toys is when you put the card on webcam

    by ironic_name

    they will show a little virtual hologram on your computer screen. http://tinyurl.com/n439as

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    but really he looks like ellen in her 70's

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Avatar=Sweaty Balls ... Alien Prequel=Great News

    by ScottinDC

    This is all.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    LightninBolt, they said that about Watchmen too

    by reflecto

    AICN loves to cream its jeans over overblown, overbudgeted genre blockbusters which often turn out either mediocre or downright bad. Avatar is the crown jewel of this phenomenon; I hope it is the rare exception that is actually good.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Questions for Cameron...

    by I AM ROCKO

    Where does a trailer come out? Does he feel the weight of expectation on his shoulders as this is his first feature in more than a decade? Are the rumours about the film's budget in the media industry ($200-$250) correct? Will this film find a sizeable auidence- and how would these compare to let us say recent sci fi major studio Hollywood "tentpole" releases such as Transformers (huge) to T4 (average domestic- solid worldwide but just broken even at this point)? How does he view Titanic now- one could argue that despite its box office gross it hardly appears in All Time 100 Best Movie lists and some of the effects look very dated? Will he ever return to low budget, indie style filmaking?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Why do you all care about seeing trailers?

    by Just_Some_Guy

    Really? Don't you like to be surprised? Anyway, Im gonna see this movie no matter what. Cameron is a technical genius, and while I don't like all his movies (I dont like Aliens), I am impressed by his visual style and flair. I would love the chance to talk movies with Cameron.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST

    cameron isn't good enough as a director

    by therobodik

    he is more a capable technician. he know how to use special effects and editing. that's all. he made also what i consider oen of the worst sequel ever: terminator 2.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    The Waqman

    by DoctorWho?

    I LOVE Mann...even Miami Vice. But your line about "...2 tough guys staring each other down while some shite HD cam records them and some Moby song plays in the background." was pretty damn funny.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    I WANT TO SEE HIS FINGER!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    It turns me on!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    A V A T A R ...will BLOW US AWAY beyond expectations.

    by JDanielP

    That is my prediction. <P>I remember seeing the original "STAR WARS" back in the day...and my belief is that THIS could POSSIBLY be even bigger. <P>Yes. I did say that.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Morbius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yes, they're releasing the trailer the same day as the 15 mins footage, Aug 21st. Check out the press release, it's all on there. Trailer in just over 2 weeks.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Press release - for those that missed it...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    On August 21, the world will get its first look at director James Cameron’s motion picture epic AVATAR, when Twentieth Century Fox and Cameron debut the film’s trailer everywhere – while select cinemas and IMAX® theaters will screen extended footage prepared by the renowned filmmaker for this global “Avatar Day” event. <p> The worldwide trailer launch will be presented in all formats, including IMAX® 3-D, IMAX® 2-D, digital 3-D, digital 2-D, and 35mm 2-D. The trailer will also be available online. <p> The extended look at AVATAR will unspool only on August 21 – and only in 3-D – in select theaters and IMAX®. Details on locations and reserving tickets for this extraordinary and unprecedented experience will be announced soon. <p> In addition on the 21st, Ubisoft® will unveil the trailer for their videogame James Cameron’s Avatar: The Game, and Mattel will reveal the action figures for the film’s Avatar and alien Na’vi characters. <p> AVATAR takes us to a spectacular new world beyond our imagination, where a reluctant hero embarks on a journey of redemption, discovery and unexpected love, as he leads a heroic battle to save a civilization. The film was first conceived by Cameron 14 years ago, when the means to realize his vision did not yet exist. Now, after four years of actual production work, AVATAR delivers a fully immersive cinematic experience of a new kind, where the revolutionary technology invented to make the film, disappears into the emotion of the characters and the sweep of the story. <p> AVATAR opens in theaters everywhere December 18, 2009

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Fail.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks, man. I knew there was a detailed breakdown of the launch somewhere out there. It's just around the corner, too.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Navi Image

    by supastring

    http://tiny.cc/fFXaY Polished up this mockup of Sam Worthington's Navi. I guess I have too much time on my hands!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Mr Nice Gaius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I know, just 2 weeks to go. My excitement level went up a notch when Cenobite posted his reaction to the look of Avatar: "Cinematography was 'Iconic'. It was like being back in the 80's in a way. I miss that sort of camera work... it was James Cameron 100%." <p> Pumped for this film in a way I haven't been for years. Exciting times.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Real full image of Nav leaks on Chud- look at the shield

    by ThePilgrim

    http://tinyurl.com/ko3dyg <P> His eyes are way too far apart... You can't look into both of them at the same time without going cross eyed. You have to focus on either the left or right side of his face, and that really sucks. The last time my eyes had trouble with a faces layout causing that weeping/blending/bleeding effect was when I saw the triple face in Jacobs Ladder. <P> http://tinyurl.com/mxozdw <P> Add some 3d to this hard to focus on face and I swear people are going to get fucking headaches and nausea. <P> We focus on eyes. Men do it more than women, this is so fucked up. I'm really depressed about it. Did no one say hey Jim i'm noticing the distance is causing me to focus my attention to one side of this avatars face, cause anytime I try to look at the eyes toegther like I normally do with a person it messes up my vision.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    well, cameron movies

    by therobodik

    are loved by people who consider the cinematic art like mcdonald's. the canadian director is no different from micheal bay: both are clichè oriented directors , but cameron has a better eye for the editing process. basically people who loves explosions, action sequences and special effects and are ashmed to admit they like sommers or bay, will tell you that they love cameron. that's the simple truth. well, let's destroy an urban legend: in cameron movies the carchters are well developed and have depth, as opposite to other action directors. that's simply no true. to sell his acquatic melodrama, titanic, cameron stuffed his movie with a pletora of clichè carchters with no depth at all. the same thing goes for aliens, where the lead female, ripley, is turned into a boring and predictable female version of chuck norris from invasion u.s.a. terminator 2 is another mess: the mighty killer cyborg is now a cyberpunk version of lurch from addam's family. furlong-john connor is so annoying that you prey that t-1000 will kill him as son as possible. sarah connor get the same treatment of ripley: she was very interesting in the first movie and now makes dolph lundgren's red scorpion looks like a shakespearian carachter. cameron's movies are food junk. that's all.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Happy Boy

    by gboybama

    You made an incorrect assumption that I believe that civilization has moved past the desire to lord over their fellow human beings. Well, obviously, that is not the case.<p> That being said, I'm someone that appreciates a little something New in each film I take the time to watch. It doesn't have to be groundbreaking. If there's just one kernel of creativity there, I can latch on to that.<p> Now, there's plenty intriguing about Avatar from a technical point of view. But, that could be said of Phantom Menace and Transformers. Despite their technical brilliance, those films fall flat as anything other than eye candy at best or toy commercials at worst.<p> So, that brings us to Avatar. Will it have the plot, characterizations or heart to make us actually give a shit? Cameron's track record tells us yes. <p> But, there have been a million movies made about people raping an innocent culture for needed resources and about xenophobia. Am I an ogre for pointing out that it could be boring to sit through YET ANOTHER ONE?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Exciting indeed. After a seemingly long absence, we may finally have some smart, sci-fi/action films to look forward to. I'm not sure if AVATAR will set the world on fire but I'm extremely interested to see if the boundaries have been pushed and whether Cameron has indeed ushered in a new methodology for conceiving and filming stories.<P>I just hope the damn thing is good!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fail.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah, exactly. I'm just looking forward to seeing some proper sci-fi action again, from a filmmaker that knows how to design, execute and edit sequences that leave you on the edge of your seat.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I couldn't disagree with you more. And frankly, you're a moron if you think you can group Cameron in with the likes of Sommers and Bay without someone calling, "Bullshit.".<P>I find your critiques rather pedestrian and based on a subjectivity that seems more reactionary than informed. As for your "cliche" angle, you do realize that Cameron is responsible for creating a standard and template (3x over if you consider TERMINATOR 1 & 2 as well as ALIENS) that would be copied by many directors for a number of years, right?<P>Anyway, let's just say that I respectfully disagree with you.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    well

    by therobodik

    since you are cinematic illiterates and i'm an analitical cinephile, my points are too complex for you. i understand...

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by TurdontheRun

    If you cannot tell the difference between Cameron and Bay, then you have absolutely no business commenting on cinema whatsoever.<p>Nice grab bag at being an elitist cineaste, by the way. It's clear you have about an inch deep undertanding of what you're talking about. To wit: "Ripley is turned into a female version of Chuck Norris from Invasion U.S.A.". What are you, 12 years old?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No, enlighten us. Which one of your points is even remotely analytical? Which one is "too complex"?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    in fact

    by therobodik

    i don't want group cameron with sommers and bay. bay is surely a superior and gifted artist than cameron. bay in fact is a godardian lord of destruction: transformers 2 is the only "auteur" movie who came out from hollywood in the last couple of years; from the time of anderson's "there will be blood". i'm not comparing transformers 2 to there wil be blood, i'm only telling that both movies are the work of true auteurs. in transformers 2 you can clearly see the signs of a personal obsession : the army, the helicopters, explosions, the good looking girls, almost to the extent of an autoparody. this is the nearest thing to jean luc godard's cinema that hollywood has produced in the last decade.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    therobodik= Lockesbrokenleg?

    by Kief_Ledger

    Only lockesbrokenleg would post something so positively stupid and be half to completely serious.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Kief_Ledger

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No, lockesbrokenleg is incapable of writing more than 3 sentences per post.<P>therobodik is a whole new kind of interesting...

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    While TRANSFORMERS 2 is clearly the product of an "auteur" filmmaker, the idea that Michael Bay is a more "superior and gifted artist" than James Cameron is laughable to the extreme.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Quint, you sure say "yeah.... yeah," a lot

    by D.Vader

    You Yes-Man!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    WELCOME THEROBODIK

    by DoctorWho?

    To the AICN rogue's gallery of morons and mental midgets. You've earned it with those comments.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    by therobodik

    why am i stupid? because i don't follow the general consensus about cameron? i don't hate cameron, but he is an industry's slave. cameron invented in 1984 the one only real thrilling carachter in the his whole career: the terminator. he turned it in a disney carachter for the sequel. and why? because he had to show the clownesque t-100 liquid metal idiot who can transforms himself in everything he touches. and also because the budget was so high that mr cameron was forced to make a family oriented movie. on the other side of the spectrum we have micheal bay: he is a novel vague director in the spirit; the propaganda aspect of his movie could be so evident and annoying( and i think on purpose so) that it works against the army and against hollywood itself: he is the che guevara of the action directors, completley free and completley unashamed.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by D.Vader

    I think you're being called stupid because your opinions are so far out there that its hard for anyone to conceive they belong to an intelligent person. <p> Which is why I don't think for one minute you actually believe the bile you're spewing. You've got to be a troll. No one else would say Cameron is a slave to the industry while Bay is the free artist.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by therobodik

    you could be right on an epidermic level: micheal bay, apparentley, is the real industry slave. but think: the power of hollywood is more enforced from a political correct, perfect , widley appreciated machine like titanic or from an over the top, ridiculous, even a bit racist movie like transformers 2( or bad boys 2)?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Duke_Whittington, they did have some

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    pretty cool if highly inaccurate comics with those Kenner toys, though. I guess the cartoon's sitting in some Hasbro or Fox vault somewhere...

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Okay so I'm a bit late here- but Chocolatewoman?

    by D.Vader

    I hear she called me, Southafricanguy, and Yackbacker a racist? True? Apparently she's been deleted so I can find no evidence of such ridiculousness.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Not buying it therobodik

    by DoctorWho?

    "why am i stupid? because i don't follow the general consensus about cameron?" No...because you rate a vapid, one-note hack like Bay over an uncompromising, proven innovator in film who has made iconic movies now embedded in popular culture.<p> And T2 a "...family oriented movie."??? Don't think I'll be sitting down anytime soon with my 6 yr old daughter too enjoy scenes of arm flesh being ripped off of bloddy exoskeletons or humans being vaporized by an atomic blast. Should make a nice double feature with The Little Mermaid. Good times.<p> Bay: "he is the che guevara of the action directors, completley free and completley unashamed." And how exactly does that make him 'better' than Cameron. Che also killed people with his bare hands but hey...he was "... completley free and completley unashamed." Those are completely valueless qualities.<p> Fail. Again.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    therobodik

    by D.Vader

    Well, what you suggest is that Cameron *couldn't* fill his movie with over the top ridiculousness or racist jokes, like Bay does. <p> But really, do you think the man who made the film that made a billion-gajillion dollars *couldn't* do that if he really wanted to?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by DoctorWho?

    I was getting ready to call that two-bit cunt rag out for a while but never got the chance. Her posts were weak and her frequent reference to her clit and fisting fetish were falling under the heading of TMI. I was picturing one of those skanks on the geek dating ads here...but worse. She thought her CAMERON=LUCAS analogy was brilliant and she appeared way out of her league here... which is REALLY saying something.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by D.Vader

    I only made one single post that was to/about her, and that's in the Ozymandias/District 9 TB on the left side of the home page. Strangely enough, one of her posts are still there. <p> But certainly, I dont think there's ANYTHING in my post that remotely qualifies as being racist. I just called her out for possible being an ugly, overweight, lonely man-woman.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Correct D.Vader

    by DoctorWho?

    SAG asked how exactly being from S. Africa makes him a racist. She said "just joking" but if he wanted to see real racism he should look to yours and Yackbackers posts. She then called him an apathied lover (in jest...I think).

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    LOL!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "(Michael Bay) is the che guevara of the action directors, completley free and completley unashamed."<P>That quote should be bronzed.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    D.Vader & DoctorWho?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Looks like ChoclateWoman was on the losing end of...dare I say it...TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION, eh?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    therobodik = film studies student

    by TurdontheRun

    ie. preening, pompous, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, and yet laughably clueless and out of his depth.<p>I think you'll find the correct term is "Nouvelle Vague", sir.<p>Yes, Bay's frenetic and incoherent editing and over-stuffed mis-en-scene is intentionlly emblematic of the Brechtian disconnect of modern society and the information age. Bay is indeed a true auteur. Megan Fox's bare midriff defines the modern condition - while war rages on around us, we are distracted by the mere trifles of 21st century vanity. I salute you, Mr. Bay - you are indeed the Che Guevara of action filmmakers. You have shown the capitalist system to be composed of nothing but corrupt, surface level beguilements. Viva La Revolution!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    "(Michael Bay)..the Che of...action directors

    by NoHubris

    Ha!<p>Now all I need are "Michael Bay as Che of action directors" posters and t-shirts. :-)

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    ChoclateWoman- what a joke

    by D.Vader

    TOTALLY FUCKING DESTROYED is exactly right. <p> She should look to my post for real racism? Did she even say *which* post? Because I had never posted in here before then; like I said, I only posted in the D9 talkback. <p> Ah well, guess she's one of those crazies that likes to see things that aren't there. Like men that think she's attractive.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    We should feel sorry for THEROBODIK

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It must be agonising to go through life with no taste. If I was him I would just end it all now. <p> But then we wouldn't get howlers like this to entertain us: <p> "transformers 2 is the only "auteur" movie who came out from hollywood in the last couple of years." <p> THEROBODIK really needs to see The Hurt Locker and Public Enemies pronto.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    RE: CHE/BAY t-shirts.

    by DoctorWho?

    Sounds like a money maker. Red tee's black design of Bay's mug complete with beret.<p> And D.Vader...I don't even think ChocolateWoman was limited to men who think she was attractive. Apparently a 'fist' was the only pre requisite to get a foot in the door with her.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks, 'mental midget' has now become my new favourite saying!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    therobodik

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "i don't hate cameron, but he is an industry's slave." <p> I've seen some stupid shit on this forum but I think you just won the prize. Congratulations.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    THAT was fucking awesome

    by antonphd

    I dream of 5 minutes with Cameron like that. Way to go. This was a small but very juicy interview. I love that Cameron is such a movie geek.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    ***** James Cameron vs. Michael Bay *****

    by JDanielP

    For me, ALIENS was a confirmation of James Cameron's great talent, after his original TERMINATOR. For fellow fans, there is no need to explain Cameron's talent for pacing, as if he is writing a beautiful piece of music. Cameron understands the need for highs and lows, even as greater contrast adds the feeling of even greater highs and lows, in a collaboration with story and every other aspect of movie making. Cameron's artistry, his unique stories, his ability to put everything and every penny on screen...takes us on a journey that no other filmmaker can take us, every time. James Cameron is one of the most iconic visionaries around. <P>Even so, even as I feel such a strong attachment to Cameron's vision (more than any other filmmaker), I admit that Michael Bay has the most iconic eye of all directors, living today. Yet, there is not a single movie from Michael Bay that pushes beyond iconic imagery and great special effects. This is the key difference between Cameron and Bay. <P>I see a potential of greatness in Michael Bay, if only he could learn the power of contrast and a good story. If Michael Bay would learn to love those slow moments as much as anything else, and feed the camera lens like a Sergio Leone, and follow a story without getting off-track in ways that can make a film feel less than serious, he could be an incredible visionary. It is this...inability to focus on a more complete scale of what a movie can be...that hurts Bay as a filmmaker, I feel. And I think part of his success, part of what gives him his iconic eye, is his unique personality, which may be a sign that he is incapable to make such sweeping changes as a filmmaker. <P>Personally, I feel that Michael Bay's movies typically feel hollow and shallow in depth, with little soul. I've enjoyed TRANSFORMERS 1 & 2 for the popcorn movies they are (though I began to doze off 2 or 3 times during TRANSFORMERS 2). And in spite of my dislikes for Bay's shortcomings, I still retain hope that he CAN change, and recognize that he has the potential to grow into an extraordinary filmmaker. There is always hope.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    honestly

    by therobodik

    i want to say a thing: probably i hurted your sesnibilities and i'm sorry for that. but really, i'm starting to think that my opinions are too deep for you talkbackers. btw. yes, tf2 is the only auteur movie hollywood produced in the last couple of years. at least at a mainstream level. micheal bay is a genius when he has to film the vacuity of life: metaphorically, bay thinks that life has no purpose, the objects that man build are useless, and what does he do? he destroys them: life, objects, cars, cities, destroyed with large explosions because he is nihilistic at the heart. on the other hand cameron is hollywoodian at heart: he exalts the objects, he love the creation of new "things"( t 1000 built new weapons from his own body), new compnies( he created also from scratch a sfx company). cameron LOVES the consumistic society wich feeds him. let's image to go back in time and showing two different movies to the great writer, situationist philosopher and director guy debord: the two movies would be the abyss and armagheddon. probably the great debord would say: this "the abyss" is the worst movie ever conceived by human mind. it's so simple, disonest and manichaean that hurts me . instead, armagheddon, i think, is a great movie; it shows perfectly the limit and the force of the "societè du spectacle". it is eisenstein in acid!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    This "Avatar" movie seems self aggrandizing to Rickey!

    by Rickey Henderson

    And Rickey knows a thing or two about self aggrandizement!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Questions:<P>1. How does one "image to go back in time"?<br>2. What exactly is a "debord"?<br>3. How much is Michael Bay paying you?<br>4. Where do you and Michael Bay get your coke?<br>5. How high are you right now?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Rickey Henderson

    Without a hint of irony, you legitimately believe that your ideas are too deep for AICN talkbackers? Rickey scoffs at this dubious claim. Problem ain't us buddy. No, the problem is that you, sir, are completely out of your freaking mind. Did you really just call Michael Bay a genius nihilistic auteur? Wow.<br> <br> No buddy, Bay is just some schmuck who makes mean spirited violent movies. There's a huge difference between that and being an auteur.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    therobodik , part II

    by Rickey Henderson

    Holy fuck, the ridiculousness of your last comment is so overwhelming that I'm downright compelled to switch over to the first person to further examine your epic lunacy.<br> <br> See, there are the Bay apologists (myself occasionally included) who will ashamedly profess to enjoying a few of his movies like "The Rock," etc. We know we're watching a dumb movie but whatever, it's entertaining.<br> <br> But you just wrote something that attempts to intellectualize Transformers 2 (easily his worst movie to date). And as far as I can tell, you're absolutely serious about it. So serious that you emerged from an LSD trance to type it all out. I'm speechless, man. Speechless.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    therobodik is a troll

    by Kief_Ledger

    with all the spelling mistakes, there is no way this douchenozzle is serious. Lets move along and talk about something else.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    James Cameron has nice hair.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns: But not as nice as BIG LOB

    by Kief_Ledger

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    therobodik

    by AsimovLives

    I hate to be another one to gangbang you on this, butr really, your coment about James Cameron and michael Bay being essessially the same is... well, to call it farfetched and unbelievable is to put it kindly. I'm still having a lot of problem processing that concept. Hell, i'm having a lot of problem accepting that concept could even exist in the mind of anybody who would claim to be a movie geek.<br><br>It just does not compute. There's so many dfifferences between the movies of Cameron and Bay that it would take a full evening just to list the major ones, much less everyone.<br><br>Suffice to say, Cameron's favorite movie of all time is 2001: a Space Oddyssey. That's the movie that turned him into a filmmaker. That's the movie he sees as a perfect film. I'd say that anybody who has such a movie as his favorite, he has more to him then just explosions and action scenes. Which is the case with the Bay guy.<br><br>Sure, both Cameron and Bay make movies which we could classify as popcorn or entertaiment. Still, the differences in intention, maturity, dedication, attention to detail, storytelling skill and respect for material and the audiences are emormous.<br><br>I think one of the things that tells volumes about these two filmmakers are the movies they passed on despite having previously spend many years of their lives in pre-production: Solaris for Cameorn and King Arthur for Bay.<br>Cameron decided that he wouldn't have enough sensebility to takcle what was the absolute heart of the movie, solaris, the love story between the two protagonists. So, he gave the movie to direct to one of his bet friends, director Steve Soberbergh. Cameron is smart and mature enough to know his limitations as a filmmake,r and instead of fucking up the movie, he gave the movie to one who would be the best to do it.<br>Michael Bay didn't do King Arthur because he didn't had the 120 million dollars budget he wanted.<br><br>For me, this two anedotes regarding this two directors alreay says volumes about them.<br><br>And i really can't believe somebody could compare the two, much less put them in the same bag so easily.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    MNG thinks everyone is a troll

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Douche.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Look again. I didn't call therobodik a troll; somebody else did.<P>Fuckface.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    What???...Choclate Woman Has Been Banned???

    by Media Messiah

    That is too bad. Choclate Woman is an agitator...more along the lines of a performance artist or an anarchist. I'm sorry that some of you guys didn't get the sarcasm, which I did. She was largely being a satirist of a sort, like Howard Stern, Lenny Bruce, Andy Kaufman, or Richard Pryor, one who livened-up things around here, and made them more fun and interesting. Her shtick...about sex, racism, and feminism...from a submissive's reverse view, was just that, shtick, but it was great...and cool to read. That name calling was just a lure, to attract debate, something that some people just didn't get, but I saw through it, fro what it is, from day one...and it was pretty brilliant stuff, at times...must of the time, but good prolific comedy...is often born of stream of consciousness material, meaning it comes right off the top of someone's head, that of its creator, and it is meant to push the limits of taste, and accepted societal norms, without going over the edge, while still managing to dance on the side of the cliff--even dangling over its side, at times--like a daredevil--and sometimes performers slip--crossing the line and over offending people--but if we were to ban Stern, Bruce, Richard Pryor, Kaufman, and their past works, when they crossed the line, and they did, and have, at times, where would we be as a society? That would be a great loss, and a lot of great lost comedy...at that.<BR><BR>Sorry to see her go, but as I said, it would have been nice to see what she could have done as an AICN.com columnist or commentator, no different from Rush Limbaugh...operating from that prospective, as an agitator for posters to rally for, and against, it would have been brilliant to see, and witness, and to participate in such an experiment--and this, being the perfect forum to conduct it in--considering the heights of foul languange, and free thinking, often expressed here, and reflected, from columnists and reviewers, to posters.<BR><BR>Not all agitators should fit the stereotypical conservative mold, some of them, can be librals too, and we've never quite seen it from that bend, at least of late, anyway, from new and fresher voices, that's why I am a Choclate Woman fan--she brought as good as she got, and then better. The discussions were always lively...and something of import, in the end, was always imparted, to the betterment of the readers, like her advice to a would-be filmmaker to improve his lighting, his use of cameras, and editing-- and in great detail--we are talking pro-level advice. When do we get that type of advice, no matter how stern, from Script Girl???<BR><BR>I hope AICN.com reconsiders their banning of you, Choclate Woman, should they begin to look at things from that view--you, as the satirist I think you to be, and that you are. Bravo, you were brilliant at every point, and turn. Bye for now Choclate Woman, you'll always Rock & Rule!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Damn therobodik ...

    by DoctorWho?

    If your compelling Ricky Henderson over to 'first person' communication then you definitely hit a nerve.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Seriously...<P>What the fuck is wrong with you, man?!?!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Chocolate Woman banned and Media Messiah stays?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    robodik

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Abyss is the worst movie conceived by the human mind? Then why is it one of your hero Michael Bay's favourite movies? Why would he cast Ed Harris and Michael Biehn in The Rock and piss off Harris by asking him questions about The Abyss all the way through the shoot?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah RE:ChocolateWoman

    by DoctorWho?

    Was she perhaps the Che Guevara of AICN Talkbackers?? "Free and Unashamed" if you will??

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    It was *I* who called him a troll!

    by D.Vader

    And I stand by my remarks!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    ChocLateWoman called me a racist without cause

    by D.Vader

    For absolutely no reason! <p> Now, I don't think that's cause for a banning; if any of you know me or pay attention to my posts, I'm usually EXTREMELY anti-banning, because too many people get banned for the stupidest reasons (or without reasons really) just bc a mod doesn't like what they have to say. <p> That said, if she wanted to call me out for being a racist, well whatever. Free speech and all that, but she's still an idiot.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    And honestly, Media Messiah...

    by D.Vader

    I can't believe you just wrote all that. I mean, really. You surprise me.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Who knew Media Messiah could complete a thought?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Chocolate Woman banned and lockesbrokenleg stays?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The PTB should have made it a double-whammy. So much for justice.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Amended: What???...Choclate Woman Has Been Banned???

    by Media Messiah

    That is too bad. Choclate Woman is an agitator...more along the lines of a performance artist or an anarchist. I'm sorry that some of you guys didn't get the sarcasm, which I did. She was largely being a satirist of a sort, like Howard Stern, Lenny Bruce, Andy Kaufman, or Richard Pryor, one who livened-up things around here, and made them more fun and interesting. Her shtick...about sex, racism, and feminism...from a submissive's reverse view, was just that, shtick, but it was great...and cool to read. That name calling, was just a lure, to attract debate, something that some people just didn't get(???), but I saw through it, for what it is, from day one...and it was pretty brilliant stuff, at times...most of the time--but good prolific comedy...is often born of stream of consciousness (thinking)material, meaning it comes right off the top of someone's head, that of its creator, and it is meant to push the limits of taste, and accepted societal norms, and push people's buttons, without going competely over the edge, while still managing to dance on the side of the cliff--even dangling over its side, at times--like a daredevil--and sometimes, performers slip--crossing the line and over offending people--but if we were to ban Stern, Bruce, Richard Pryor, Kaufman, and others like George Carlin, Bill Maher, the original Saturday Night Live, and SCTV, and their past works, at the top of their careers, when they crossed the line, and they did, and have, at times, and often, more than I can count, in fact--well, where would we be as a society? That would be a great loss, and a lot of great lost comedy...at that, just gone. And what a shame that would be? <BR><BR>In respect to Choclate Woman, I'm truly sorry to see her go, but as I said, it would have been nice to see what she could have done as an AICN.com columnist, or commentator, no different from Rush Limbaugh...operating from that prospective, as an agitator for posters to rally for, and against, it would have been brilliant to see, and witness, and to participate in such an experiment--and this, AICN.com, being the perfect forum to conduct it in--considering the great heights of foul languange, and free thinking, often expressed here, and reflected, from columnists and reviewers, to posters. <BR><BR> Not all agitators should fit the stereotypical conservative mold, some of them, can be librals too, and we've never quite seen it from that bend, or bent, at least, of late, anyway, from new and fresher voices, that's why I am a Choclate Woman fan--she brought, as good as she got, and then some, yes...better!!! The discussions were always lively...and something of import, in the end, was always imparted, to the betterment of the readers, like her advice to a would-be filmmaker to improve his lighting, his use of cameras, and editing--and in great detail--we are talking pro-level advice. When do we get that type of advice, no matter how stern, from Script Girl??? <BR><BR> I hope AICN.com reconsiders their banning of you, Choclate Woman, should they begin to look at things from that view, that perspective--to see you, as the satirist I think you to be, and that you are. Bravo, you were brilliant at every point, and turn. Bye for now...Choclate Woman, you'll always Rock & Rule!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Lol, this place makes me laugh

    by lockesbrokenleg

    So many weird asses here. Lol. On one hand you have MNG trying t get everyone banned. On another hand, you get Media Messiah and his weird rants.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I think you give her faaaaar too much credit, Media Messiah

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Anybody else starting to get the feeling that Media Messiah...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...might have actually been Choclate Woman? Methinks he's defending "her" just a bit too much...

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    This place is fucking weird.

    by ebonic_plague

    If idle hands are the devil's playground, then this talkback is Six Flags: Hades. <p> And Media Messiah, you need to step away from the computer and seek professional help. Seriously.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're such a sniveling little asspickle. Please return to the slime covered cess pool that spawned you, you Twitter-posting jackass.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    D.Vader: She Didn't Mean It--It Was Comedy!!!

    by Media Messiah

    She was playing with you. Not one person here believes you to be a racist, or any of the other guys on Choclate Woman list, especially Choclate Woman, herself. She even admitted, last night, that she was playing (joking) with SouthAfricanGuy, in regard to calling him a racist. This was just smartly crafted shtick...on Choclate Woman's part...to play off of her own sign-on name, but you guys failed to get the joke??? You'll recall, she would call you racists for submitting a post that had zero references to race? That should have instantly informed everyone in the Talkback forums that she was pulling your strings? That's how I knew she was just trying to inject humor here...to get us all laughing--like the boy who pulls the girl's pigtails in school to get a reaction, for instance--he doesn't do it because he hates the girl, but because he likes her, and doesn't know quite how to say it. Choclate Woman was harmless...and should have been celebrated, not banned.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    So Chocolate Woman is/was the new Mr. DickBlood?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I love how Media Messiah...

    by TurdontheRun

    multiple posts his rantings again and again, completely identical except with a few amended typos. He must think his every utterance has great import; truly a messianic complex indeed.<p>As for ChocolateWoman - just another idiot in a long line of many. But, no - apparently there was great profundity in her (I'm guessing actually 'his') rantings. Damn, that's almost as loony as therobodik.<p>Michael Bay is the Che of cinema; ChocolateWoman is the Andy Kauffman of the AICN talkbacks. We lesser mortals are lucky to be blessed with the company of such geniuses!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Sign me up for that one, Mr. Nice Gaius

    by D.Vader

    He is, surprisingly, a VERY strong supporter of a random talkbacker...

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    But Media Messiah...

    by D.Vader

    What good comes out of calling me a racist? What point does one make through such an insult? Its nonsensical. <p> And I'd never seen her call someone a racist before, so if that's her "schtick", she didn't do it often enough to be recognized as such. <p> I just don't get it. My humor button must be turned off.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Question: Percantage of IMAX viewers?

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    Does anyone have an idea what percentage of Avatar viewers are likely to be seeing it in IMAX?<p> I'm asking because here in Germany IMAX seems to have turned out as a giant flop. Number of active IMAX theatres in Germany today: 4. Yes, four. And then there's seven former IMAX theatres which had to close business over the years. Maybe Hollywood'sembrace of imax for motion pictures is coming a little too late?<p> Maybe that's one reason why I'm so not excited about Avatar. Jimmy Cameron seems to be totally fixated on his digital gadgetery and immersive thingies while the vast majority(?) of the audience will get nothig but the shallow byproduct of it. That's not what I want the future of movies to be in the next years. Call me old fashioned, but I like movies that are designed for cinemascope, and I fear that the quality of movie photography (as projected in "normal" theatres) is going to suffer when more and more films are ariginally made for squarish screens.<p> From time to time I visit my sister who lives in Berlin. That's a 290 miles drive. And Berlin still has an Imax. So, depending on how long the movie will be playing there, and if the theatre doesn't have to file for bancruptcy, maybe one day my eyeballs will be exposed to Cameron's phallus.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Ebonic_Plague: How Does My Post On CW Justify Your Claim?

    by Media Messiah

    You are still angry that I dislike Dark Knight, and that justifies your rant here??? If you can't intellectually compete, you attack someone with seriously off base comments--ones, unlike CW's, that aren't meant to be funny--or cutting edge comedy...in the least, but, rather...instead, are solely meant to be meanspirited??? You need to review your humanity...your heart, mind, and spirit. Someone's differing views on a film, should not move you to such levels of immorality.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Do you ever make a constructive comment? All you do is hurl tired insults at people. Go outside and meet some people.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BEY!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Bless him. All of his critics, and his movie made more than Watchmen and Harry Potter.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    D.Vader: I Understand Your Point

    by Media Messiah

    She did it a lot, calling other posters racist--and as talk continues about this subject matter, you will see others post to confirm it. This was a part of her shtick...but she was banned before you could debate her. It is within the debate, that the shtick is revealed, as it is so over the top, that you begin to see that it is an elaborate joke, a performance.<BR><BR>I know it is rather harsh being called a racist...but believe me, she was like a female Howard Stern, it wasn't meant to hurt anyone, just like a phone pranking--it was only meant to get a reaction, and that was the point of comedy, not the initial claim. Again, not one person on this Talkback, or others believes you to be a racist, and no one knows that better than Choclate Woman. Really, I suspect that she is a really nice girl.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    GODS BLESS CHOCOLATE WOMAN

    by lockesbrokenleg

    At least she liked anal.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    TurdontheRun: No, I Fix My Posts Because I Have...

    by Media Messiah

    ...dyslexia, and a serious, and very rare...eyes disease. I fix my posts, when I find typos, out of respect to you, the reader.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, I make them all the time. But because I have pegged you as "The Most Useless Talkbacker on AICN", you choose to ignore them because I, apparently, hurt your feelings whenever address your sorry ass.<P>It must really suck to be you, lockes.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    See?

    by Media Messiah

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Lol, dude. You're so easily manipulated.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    And lockes...I anxious await your next Twitter-styled reply.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    And there it is.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    MM, "I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious..."

    by ebonic_plague

    "...but I am, so that's how it comes out." <p> Listen, I really don't care what you think about TDK... I just think-- based on your comments here and in that Dollhouse thread-- that you have serious mental problems. For one, you think CW is a female. I reviewed my humanity and I think you should lay off the jenkem, at least while you post to TB.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah, you're a fucking weirdo

    by Kief_Ledger

    What the fuck do you care if some jackass talkbacker got banned? Jesus, it's not like Chocolate Women ever had anything interesting to day. Besides the fact that Chocolate Women is probably you, why do you feel the need to write extremely long diatribes about a talkbacker who annoyed the piss out of everyone else? Get some fucking therapy you crazy asshole.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Can we argue some more about Avatar?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Cameron should direct GI Joe 2 and put BIG LOB in it.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    James Cameron is a genious. He would not make a Joe movie without Big Lob imo.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Don't worry, Cameron composed his shots in 2D, then checked that they worked OK in 3D. Avatar will still work as a regular 2.35:1 2D film as well as a 1.85:1 3D film.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius: About CW

    by Media Messiah

    Simply ask the AICN.com moderator to check my IP address. He will confirm for you that I am not Choclate Woman...and that we are not posting from the same city. There is all sorts of software that web sites use to screen their users, and trust me AICN.com has some.<BR><BR>Why do I stand-up for others??? I defend Choclate Woman, as I believe in free speech...as long as it is not threatening. I also find her rhetorical comments, refreshing...and the debates that it encourages, often enlightening. I got Howard Stern when people trashed him, and Andy Kaufman when people called him crazy. I recognize performance art, and the brlliant artists behind it, where others, like you, could, and... cannot. CW was a gift to AICN.com, where you, Gaius, are still stuck on debating whether Batman can defeat Superman...or whether Galactica is better than Star Wars. There is nothing wrong with those kinds of debates among fan boys and girls, but, they have grown stale. We need someone like CW...to enliven things on these pages again. BTW, I have defended Mavra Chang...and Script Girl on AICN.com before, as well as CW...and two of them have attacked me for doing just that; one would be Mavra Chang...and the other??? Surprise...Choclate Woman. So no...I am not CW, or MC. And I just defended the young filmmaker I mentiioned from CW...just last week. Check the Twilight Talkback.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Gauis always thinks people here are someone else

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He uses it ti justify his sad existence here. He is friend of the trolls.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Kief_Ledger: On the Subject Of Banning. You May Not Recall...

    by Media Messiah

    ...but I was caught in the middle of the notorious mass ban of posters last year...over the Script Girl Talkback--and that is now so famous, or infamous, it is on Wikipedia. I defended banned posters then...and I argued for free speech, while asking for warnings for those who have crossed the line...ahead of any bans, as well, I asked for suspensions, prior to final bannings, and an appeals process for those who receive limited suspensions, or full bans, as often their intent, that of the offending parties, is misunderstood. A grace period can allow for cooler heads to prevail, and allows AICN.com to continue to build the ranks of its net audience, without pushing away posters. It's a win-win for everyone. Again...the only people who should be banned are those spreading threats, or serious slanders. CW's shtick did not rise to that level of bannable offenses in my logic of seeing things.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Whether you were actually Choclate Woman or not makes no difference to me. The bitch is gone!<P>However, you are SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL if you think that what she did amounted to "performance art". And you are even more nutty to think that CW brought anything new and/or worthwhile to the AICN table. She/he was just another Talkbacker trying to get a rise out of people<P>I mean, just look at your post, MM. There is something very wrong and creepy about your thought process here. Are you saying you defended this individuals because they were women? Did they ask you to be their White Knight? Or is there something even more bizarre going on here?!<P>Finally, I'd like to address this random statement: "... where you, Gaius, are still stuck on debating whether Batman can defeat Superman...or whether Galactica is better than Star Wars."<P>First, I've NEVER debated whether Batman can defeat Superman. Second, I've never debated whether BSG is better than STAR WARS...because it clearly is and there's no debate needed.<P>Ultimately MM, in this respect, you fail.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Prove it.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Batman can't defeat Superman

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    I don't care what Frank Miller says.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    SUPERMAN WONT FIGHT BATMAN!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They would just go out for dinner, or a movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Batman WOULD fight Superman if they went to a movie

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    Superman would probably want to watch a comedy.<p>Batman doesn't 'do' comedies.<p>Fight ensues.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    What if Batman dated Lois Lane?! SUPES WOULD FIGHT

    by lockesbrokenleg

    THEN!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Maybe Lois would be up for a threesome

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    Fight....avoided.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Alfred might get jealous

    by lockesbrokenleg

    MASTER BRUCE!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Are you suggesting Alfred is gay?

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    Or that he wants to bone Lois?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Gaius: This Is Getting Immature

    by Media Messiah

    Now, you of all people...are apart of that informal Hate Club??? Please??? As soon as I fell-out with Mavra Chang and the league of banned posters, all of whom, I defended at one point, and quite vigorously, at that, I have been made the target of such unfounded rants, as yours??? As I said before, debates over Superman vs. Batman...are just getting old...and all these personal attacks being thrown about, because someone doesn't like TDK, are silly and beneath us all. Given this fact, I will just ignore them...and I will no longer respond to, or read them. I wish you all the best, though. You strike me as a nice guy--just misled in this particular pursuit.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    That's A Part, Not Apart. Sorry--And Have A Nice Day

    by Media Messiah

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    BATMAN LIKES DEEP DISH. SUPES LIKES THIN

    by lockesbrokenleg

    crust. Fight!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    superman drinks batman's milkshake, then fucks his woman

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/owqy3n

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    aguaman likes slimjims and a footlong. he also likes food.

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/of8vyu

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I miss chocolate woman

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    BIG LOB would destroy Batman.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    BIG LOB: "Silly batty, capes are for kids..." <BR> [makes his move]

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Batman likes MT Dew. Supes prefers Pepsi!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    WATCH OUT!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/mzywzz

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/mkpbcj

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/n8papz

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/l2na2j

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/n3bk4g

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    aquaman!

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/lnmccj <P> http://tinyurl.com/pachwd <P> http://tinyurl.com/nk42p3 <P> http://tinyurl.com/nv5qow <P> http://tinyurl.com/nfya6m

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/m5al2h <P> http://tinyurl.com/ntbkqw

    by ironic_name

    aquaman!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/kqtec8

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/nfpxht

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/n5jfey

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/ll6a9a

    by ironic_name

    aquaman

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/mhjgy2

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    MEDIA MESSIAH

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Immature?! Dude, this is a movie/entertainment website. That's what we talk about here; not about whether a particular Talkbacker should be allowed to conduct "performance art" or grant other Talkbackers "fisting rights". I think your view on this banning issue is a little skewed considering who you are defending and what is most likely the cause of her/his receipt of the Ban Hammer.<P>As for Mavra Chang and the other Talkbackers you've defended, I can't speak to that because I don't know what exact situation you're referring to. However, I don't feel that my particular not-quite-a-rant is unfounded. I just found it extremely odd that you would come out so strongly in defense of a Talkbacker who has offered nothing but vulgar sexual references and racist accusations in an attempt to get a rise out of people. It's hardly groundbreaking performance art and hardly a reason for your treatise. Ultimately, it's rather confusing why you think we should celebrate this person as opposed to debating and discussing films, TV shows, etc.<P>Quote: " You strike me as a nice guy..."<P>I appreciate the sentiment and I hope you understand why I found your posts to be rather strange and misguided.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Gaius: I Still Refuse To Read Your Post

    by Media Messiah

    You use to lead Tackbacks, along with me...under my other two names that I use to post under during the old AICN.com days, but in the interim of my absence, you have allowed those who would steer discussions to the lowest common denominator takeover these boards...in place of the smart debate, you once helped to cultivate. Where has my old friend gone in you, Gaius??? You really don't recall me, do you??? A shame...we were once the greatest buds.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    OK...you previously posted under two other names? You're going to have to help me out here, MM.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    CHOCLATE WOMAN WE HARDLY KNEW YE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Except for those you gave fisting rights to.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    D.VADER DOESN'T HAVE A RACIST BONE IN HIS BODY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Didn't even have to be said.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    MNG ARE YOU AND LOCKE EVER GONNA REACH DETENTE?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Wayne Douglas Barlowe is the shit...

    by BurnHollywood

    Phenomenal artist who had a huge effect on HELLBOY 2, although it seems like he didn't get much of the credit.<p> I really hope Del Toro moves forward with IN THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS...Barlowe had "The Old Ones" designed over a quarter century ago.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Choclate Woman Gave Me Fisting rights

    by Media Messiah

    I'm blushing, still. Smile!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    ONCE YOU GO CHOCOLATE WOMAN YOU NEVER GO BACK!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I'm with Media Messiah on bannings

    by D.Vader

    They shouldn't be happening this often, not without cause, and certainly NOT without an explanation to the rest of us (so we know what not to do).

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    ChoclateWoman was banned?! FUCK NO!!!

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    I wanted so badly to drink the heavenly nectar that is her chocolate covered pussy juice.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    to mr.gaius, ricky henderson, kswizakchel etc

    by therobodik

    mr nice gaius: guy debord is a famous french philosopher and director. ricky henderson: my arguments against cameron are solid and detailed. my genius is overhelming not my stupidity. kswizchel: i didn't write that the abyss in my opinion is the worst movie ever, i was only trying to imagine guy debord opinion about that movie. and bay is not my hero at all. i'm only analizing his strengh and his weaknesses as a filmaker.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    therobodik

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What about my remaining 4 questions?

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's kind of an interesting statement. I don't think bannings occur all that often on this site...at least not compared to other forums. It's practically impossible here considering the lack of overall moderation.<P>And I believe Harry (and certainly Moriarty) has already spelled out in Talkback what to avoid if you don't want to be smited by the Ban Hammer. It's pretty well known that he tries to keep the AICN boards as open as possible - even at the detriment to the site's rep and credibility. There is a reason why AICN's Talkbacks are generally considered to be online swill.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    free advice: sign carefully your studio deal

    by FailedActress

    What would be the world today if Lucas had the same deal on Star Wars as Cameron had for Terminator/Alien and vice versa? Star War sequels would have been made by other directors, supervised by Fox, with a possible Star Wars crossover like AVP. Cameron would likely still be making Alien and Terminator film today and never made the Abyss, True Lies, Titanic and Avatar.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    RE: Bay is "nihilistic at heart"

    by DoctorWho?

    ...Why? Because he has lots of explosions in his films? That's quite a leap. <p> Put down the "Guy Debord" manifesto and tell why YOU think the ABYSS is "simple" and "dishonest". An odd critique to say the least.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    MNG, I BEG TO DIFFER

    by BringingSexyBack

    Talkback is the most respected forum out here, precisely because of the freedom of speech we get to enjoy. There's an entertaining balance between serious discourse and mental vomit. What other site attracts the likes of Bruce Willis, Corey Feldman and Bob Orci?

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    AICN Talkback is the most respected forum out there? That's the first time I've heard/read that. Seems like all I ever see on other movie sites is disrespect and hatred for AICN's TBs and their participants.<P>Granted, AICN has attracted the likes of some well-known celebrities but it has usually come about from some project or personal interest.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    THEY'RE JUST JEALOUS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Can you blame them?

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    As for your previous question...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the answer is no. Detente cannot be reached with the likes of him.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    THAT'S GOOD - YOUR SKIRMISHES ARE ENTERTAINING

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    WHAT OTHER SITE CAN WE TRASH KEVIN SMITH

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and his worthless "comedies"?

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    HA! And look at who just showed up.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    THAT'S TALKBACK MAGIC AT WORK, MNG

    by BringingSexyBack

    Ready ... FIGHT!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    MR NICE GAUIS YOU LIVE AT THIS SITE!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    DONT YOU FUCKING WORK?!

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    AND THEY'RE OFF!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenpussy = LOSER

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, I work. I work a lot. Do you have a job yet, skywalkerfamily...I mean, lockes? Last time we all checked, you didn't.<P>Speaking of "living" on this site, try comparing your post count to mine. I'm pretty sure you'll outnumber me by an astronomical amount. However, quantity doesn't equal quality...

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    THERE HE GOES AGAIN TRYING TO DISS ME!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Dude, I work online a lot. Don't JUDGE ME!! BIATCH!!! Man, you remind me of my last girlfriend.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    YOU DISS YOURSELF EVERYTIME YOU POST!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Dude, lighten up, It's a mesage board

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Don't you want to kiss Avatar's ass?

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    CW was part of a vast conspiracy

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Choclate Woman (CW) is part of a criminal ring, including me (PBS), SallyYamFrederickSpam (SyFy) and Apple Butter Cunt (ABC).

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    FOX, and NBC may join

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Fried Onion Xenophobe (Fox) and Nacho Beef Cunt (nbc) may also join this meeting of heroes. If where luckly, Dick Infusion Samantha Creating Ovaries Varying in Entropy Re-entering Yams (Discovery) may make a speech. <p> Also, MM ur a racist son-of-a-whorebag

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Apple Butter is good by the way

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Try it sometime

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    MM

    by PeanutButterSlut

    You have no ieda how far this goes. I mean, this criminal ring is so badass, we cant even spell idea or use apostrophes when necessary. <p> We are a team of hero villans, they call us Big 7, we represent tge seven networks you just read about previously. We dont spellcheck, and take shit from no-one; we own tv networks after all. <p> But it goes deeper, much deeper than your 24 jack bauer fanboi imagination could ever take you media man, so I would quit now while you still have a sembnlence of a sanity. <p> Word Hoes

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    MM

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Media Man, you have to make a choice. Take the red pill, and see where this goes. Take the red pill, and see where this goes. <p> What's that about a blue pill!?!

  • Aug. 6, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    PeanutButterSlut: I'm Game

    by Media Messiah

    I'm ready to escape The Matrix. Take me with you!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to Avatar, Caprica, Lost, and Chuck

    by Razorback

    Nothing else is worth it.

  • Aug. 8, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I'm so happy Camerons back...

    by carraway

    Hopefully Bay, McG and all the other hacks will go see this, take notes, and learn som.... nevermind.