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David Twohy Talks About Another RIDDICK Movie!!

Merrick here...
A while back, in an AICN post I'm unable to track down at the moment, I mentioned that the next Riddick movie...if there is a next Riddick movie...would be somewhat downsized and more closely evoke PITCH BLACK than 2004's sprawling & mythologically complex CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK. A few hostile e-mails and snarky Talkbacks later, it became clear that many people didn't understand what I was talking about. Maybe this'll clear things up a bit. ShockTillYouDrop recently had a brief discussion with PITCH BLACK/CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK writer/director David Twohy, who elaborated on how he & Vin would approach/are approaching a third feature film in the cross-platform RIDDICK franchise.
"The third movie would be more modestly-scaled and it would probably feel more like 'Pitch Black' then 'Chronicles'," he continued. "It will always be Riddick-centric. If the question is whether it will be more like the first one than the second one, the difference is that yeah, you can sell it on its creatures and say 'This is a creature fest and we're going to go out as us vs. the creatures' but that's like a lot of different movies. However, the hallmark of a good movie, and I think 'Pitch Black' is a good movie, is that even if you took the creatures out of the picture, you'd still have some pretty interesting character dynamics going on within that group, and it's almost like you can tell the same story without the creature or substitute some other external pressure on the group, because there were internal pressures as well that were interesting. So was it really a creature feature? It had the hallmarks of it, the trappings of a creature movie, but it also had pretty good characters."
...said Twohy in THIS CHAT with ShockTillYouDrop. Several years ago, Vin suggested that a third Riddick film would expand on the "Underverse" metaphysics on which the second film's antagonists hinged their shenanigans. No word on if Twohy and Diesel are still heading that direction.

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  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I appreciated the Riddick films...

    by sfgeek

    I'll watch a third.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by damiz707

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I'd like to see a Riddick movie, but when?

    by PornKing

    I feel like news about "the next riddick movie" has been posted for years now. Wasn't another movie supposed to be greenlit after Chronicles did well on DVD? That was, what, 2-3 years ago now? Seems pretty dead to me.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Necromongers?!!? Lame.....

    by MJohnson

    Pitch Black rocked. Chronicles blew.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Riddick is the shit.

    by knowthyself

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Riddick is Badass. We need more Riddick.

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Make this movie already.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Has Vin Diesel come out yet?

    by whiskey_dick

    There's no way that guy isn't interested in dude butts.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    "sprawling & mythologically complex"

    by Orbots Commander

    Translation: the sequel was a god-awful mess that was ALL over the freakin' place. <p> I think Diesel's time has come and gone. He had a window of opportunity where he could have been a huge mega star, but he blew it by choosing one shitty script after the next, after the next. Babylon A.D. slammed that window shut. <p> The guys will probably continue to work because his name still has some cache I guess, but I see a future of direct to DVD fare for him from here on out.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by Stifler's Mom

    good call. one of Hollywod's best kept secrets.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Riddick COULD have been good

    by ScottinDC

    ...but it suffered from a lack of focused narrative and one tremendously almost supernaturally bad performance by Thandie Newton. Holy fucking shit-acting, Batman.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    COR was a great sci-fi action film. As much as I want a third film, fuck "scaling it down." I don't want to go back to Pitch Black, regardless of the merit of that film. I want the universe they created in COR further explored and on an even more epic level. I want to see what happens after Riddick takes over as leader of the Necromongers. I want motherfucking KARL URBAN back. I want more dumbass mercs. I want Riddick's Furian backstory explored. I want to know what the fuck the Elementals are and wha ttheir agenda is. I don't want another bland-ass creature gorefest. Zzzzzzzzz....

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Is that the scuttle-butt, so to speak?

    by Orbots Commander

    That Diesel thinks girls are yucky? That'd be pretty funny: a 'macho' action star with a gravelly voice that hangs out at the Blue Oyster bar.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I really dug the sequel

    by Autodidact

    It was a mess and all over the place, but I just liked it. It felt to me like an eighties Saturday morning cartoon come to life.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Bring out Faster & Furiouser

    by Fart_Master_Flex

    Seriously, last we saw Vin was headed off to jail on a prison bus to spend 25 to life. Paul Walker was going to bust his ass out. Hit the Nos Paul....hit the fucking Nos!!!!!!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Game better

    by Mr Lucas

    A rare example where the spinoff game was wayyyy better than the forgettable dross of a film.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    "Irgun. One of my best men."

    by HoboCode

    "If you say so."

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Working Title: You can't get rid of Riddick.

    by cookylamoo

    But after the end of the second film, won't we just see Riddick go around raping and pillaging planets?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    The Hangover outgrosses Star Trek '09!!!!!!!

    by JuanSanchez

    As of this weekend The Hangover has grossed $255,776,000 - topping Star Trek's $254,642,000. Suck it, Abrams.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Give me King Riddick! Since we're not getting King Conan

    by D.Vader

    I'd like to see where Riddick goes next after being crowned King at the end of "Chronicles". Please don't give us some tangential story that sorta happened at the same time but wasn't relevant, or something that happened before the events of Chronicles.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Chronicles of Riddick: Guilty pleasure

    by Bot-Bot

    It wasn't a great film, but it's one of the few sci-fi films where the alien planets didn't feel like a backlot of Burbank or a cheap greenscreen. set extesnsion. Beautiful production design and visual effects, and some original ideas.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    What Twohy really needs to do...

    by DocPazuzu wrench Conan from the cold, dead fingers of Marcus Nispel so that we get the Hyborian Age as it was truly meant to be seen on screen.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    They fell ass-backwards into a decent story

    by V'Shael

    but I think they lack the talent to bring it to life. <p>

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Vin Diesel... Still trapped in the closet.

    by V'Shael

    Just sayin.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Loved Pitch Black and it's sequel

    by HanSelo

    Bought both DVD's and now looking to upgrade to Blu-Ray on each. Scaling down the budget is the only way this film will happen. With the right creative input, and making it a direct sequel (I'm with the poster above who doesn't want an irrelavant 'same time' story or prequel) this could work really well and lead to a bigger budget 4th movie.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    If you watch TCOR features...

    by knowthyself

    ..its undeniable that Diesel is gay. But who cares about his sexuality? Just give us more Riddick.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    As SF goes...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...CoR was terrible. As a fantasy story told in space it was pretty cool. The action scenes were great, too. <p> Pitch Black is quality from beginning to end.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Whisky Dick... has Diesel come out?

    by allykatD

    I don't know, why don't you ask his girlfriend and his baby girl.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    @Stifler's Mom

    by V'Shael

    "one of Hollywod's best kept secrets."<br> Not that well kept. <br> Not-to-vague allusions to the dudes sexual proclivities have been appearing on the net for some time. (I think that tubby director Kevin P. Smith mentions it in one of his books/talks)

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Vin Disel talked about this a month or so ago...

    by KnightEternal

    on the Jonathan Ross show in the UK...pretty sure he said they were going to begin shooting next year and that it would carry on with the Underverse theme

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    His one liners are just too awesome.

    by knowthyself

    "Shoulda taken the money toombs." "It's an animal thing."

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Vin's Voice

    by SonicExplorer

    You know, this suddenly explains Dr. Girlfriend.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Riddick is a great character, but I hated

    by PixarsSUP

    Riddick's universe. Underverse? WTF, Furies? Lame

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by kgerm

    Seriously. No one wants to see this shit. Pitch Black was dumb. Chronicles was even worse.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by bueno_bob

    Pitch Black was awful and Chronicles was worse. I could care less. But Vin Diesel has, I suppose, proven that he can't act to save his life, and he's proven that repeatedly; that being the case, he can feel free to drop off of the planet any time now.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Seriously though...

    by bueno_bob

    I watched it twice and Pitch Black is one of the WORST pieces of shit I've ever had the misfortune of seeing...Chronicles was just empty, vapid and brain dead on arrival, the only thing even REMOTELY decent about that movie were the credits - hollow garbage from start to finish. I can't understand how ANYBODY with an IQ over 50 could actually enjoy them. Poor acting, poor direction, poor story. I'd rather watch a two hour movie about Gungans before I even touched that (LOL) "Riddick franchise" again.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    This I would look more forward to than XXX.

    by Stalkeye

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Oh, fuck Jesus, shit, let it die! Goddamnit. "Pitch Black" was awesome, one of the more refreshing monster movies/sci-fi thrillers in some time, and the best Alien "sequel" (thematically, anyway), since Aliens. But RidDICK was like greasy diarrhea personified on film; it was so God-awful that it really took away any good will that the original created. And they want to do another one? NO THANKS! Do something decent with your admittedly talented ass, Twohy!(that sounded kind-of weird, but you know what I mean). ;)

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    WTF is a Riddick?

    by ricarleite2

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by Omar B

    I don't like this scaling back idea. One of the great pleasures of the second one was it's sheer size. For all it's damn flaws the movie was pretty rich on huge visuals. You don't scale back, you keep it where it is in terms of scale and just write a good story.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Making a hero out of an antihero...

    by ominus

    thats what sucked in the riddick sequel. <p>you have one of the most badass,dangerous,super cool antiheroes in film history,and you are trying to make him more sympathized for the average audience,in order to create a big-budget franchise out of it? <p>i am sorry mr Twohy,i love all your work u have done until now,but your decision to make a murderous villain,the new savior of mankind,just ruined the movie for me. <p>anyway,i will definitely see the new movie if it happens,but please return back to the original roots of what makes this character so cool.

  • The Necromongers were new and intriguing; part of it was they didn't really explain how they got all of this advanced technology or even exactly what it was, they just took it as a given (i.e. what the heck are the "holy half-dead" psykers, the "lenser" guys, how they seem to be able to teleport in troops or resurrect dead ones at points, what the heck IS Lord Marshal, etc.) It was a lot of exposition which I wish they'd have more time to round out. A lot of people dump on the Riddick movies, but I thought Chronicles was pretty good; but it ALL felt like introduction. As they explained it, Chronicles was the FIRST "Riddick" movie; "Pitch Black" was like their Hobbit, and then there'd be a trilogy.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    5ast & 5urious! Riddickulous! xxxXXXxxx!

    by RaveX

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Diesel needs to seek out new franchises while riding FF4's succe

    by JuanSanchez

    Going back to do XXX 3 and Riddick 3 is a bad idea. Jump on new stuff now.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Diesel = Kilowog

    by Sherman_Lives

    Ever since casting began on Green Lantern, VD's been the only actor I could picture at least as the voice, if not actually in the role of Kilowog. I imagine they'd do CGI makeup like they did in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, as well as Hagrid-ize him so that he would tower over Ryan Reynolds. If it's all CGI, I don't mind. But ever since Iron Giant, I've wanted VD (some initials!) to do more voice work.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I agree ScottinDC, and bueno_bob takes it in the ass

    by PornKing

    No straight man can NOT like Pitch Black. Hell, even Chronicles was a manly action movie. It was just poorly acted by the supporting cast (and the dialogue was pretty crappy for them, so not all the actors' fault), and had a pretty cheesy story (underverse, etc...). Still, totally watchable.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Chronicles Of Riddick Was Like Watching...

    by angranoid

    A Queen Album (probably A Day At The Races.) In a good way.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    As Lex Luthro in the new Superman movie?

    by ominus

    why the fuck not? or kevin spacey was better?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I fucking love both flicks...

    by just pillow talk

    Don't care if shit don't make sense in Chronicles...action was top-notch. necro-who? Ah, fuck it, it don't matter.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Mr Lucas the latest game was terrible though

    by ominus

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I saw The Perfect Getaway screening on Saturday

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Good flick, highly entertaining. Much better than the trailers make it out to be. Even Oliphant is good in it!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Lord Marshall Riddick

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    You know you want it!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Azlam Orlandu

    One has to wonder why you'd root against something as great as the new Trek film. Perhaps your heart is two sizes smaller than everyone else, you greasy fuck. As far as Riddick is concerned, I welcome a new film, I liked the previous two equally.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by solotwit

    Twohy's great. Loved the Riddick movies, especially "Chronicles".

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    chronicles of riddick was thoroughly mediocre

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    you guys want more of this? The design was kind of cool, other than the retarded statue space ships, but the villans were lame and the whole prophecy thing ruined what was cool about the character.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I didn't get the Prison Planet located near to the sun.

    by cookylamoo

    Wouldn't this be horribly inconvenient? The air conditioning bill alone would be astronomical. And it was as easy to break out as a teenager's face.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Anyone care or asking for a 3rd film?

    by Rubiks Doob

    Other than Van Diesel and David Twohy I mean?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by Foureighteenplustwo

    Pitch Black was a great movie. anything resembling that is something I'd pay money to go see, since I wasn't so much into theatre when the first one came along.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Just So We Are Clear

    by A-COD

    The reason a third film would be "scaled back" is because the last movie underperformed and no studio would ever green light a large budget for more Riddick.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The thing about Chronicles was it grew on me

    by Hervoyel

    I like Pitch Black but didn't think it was anything really special. Kind of a cool movie with some interesting things going on. I didn't see it in theaters. I ended up watching it on DVD and when I did it was a nice surprise. When Chronicles came out I did go see it in the theater and I did so with expectations. It fell short of them of course but it wasn't the worst thing I'd ever seen. I just didn't care if I ever saw it again. Then it went to cable and I did see it again. I watched a little bit of it here, a little bit there. It just kind of grew on me over time. Eventually I picked up the DVD on sale and now I like it. I'd pay to see another one on the big screen if they made it.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Pitch Black was the puppy's pods!

    by BiggusDickus

    Loads better than the horrific wankfest of a sequel. How about a 'Butcher Bay' prison-break type movie? That'd work.<p>Oh, and Vin Deisel is indeed gayer than Christmas. Nice fella, but there it is.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Chronicles Was Genuinely Underrated


    It had alot of flaws but few movies are as imaginative. Lets put it this way, chronicle's reach far outceded it's grasp but it deserves alot of credit for reaching for the stars so to speak. It was far better than all 3 prequels combined and deserves another sequel.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Mass Effect Would Make A Great Movie


    If handled right....

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    they should return to butcher bay

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    and then riddick can get tits tattooed on his back and send the rest of life as the only prison sissy who can see himself getting raped in the dark.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have a prequel with Cole Hauser's character...

    by KillDozer

    I liked Pitch Black and thought COR was kind of dumb, but fun. Either way, I feel like Riddick is kind of played out. He's got some good one liners, but otherwise it's not all that exciting watching an action film where the main character is pretty much invincible.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I'm Here!!! Now This Talkback Can Truly Begin!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Just film the movie on a damn 3D Red Camera already. They don't need any big financiers to get this thing going!!!Vin can finance the whole thing himself, for 25 to 30 million dollars, and cut off the middle man.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    PB > COR

    by Eye_H8_U

    If the idea is to make Riddick 3 more like the original than that's a good thing. COR was meant to be epic but insted was bloated and boring. Oh and the writing sucked too. How long did it take to come up w/ the name Crematorim for the fire plant Twohy?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Riddick Films Should Be Episodic

    by Acquanetta

    Twohy's mistake was trying to shoehorn Riddick into his a saga ala Star Wars. If you're going to do that, you really need to have more than one or two characters that are interesting. It's a character that would be better served by treating him like a Conan, Doc Savage, or Indiana Jones. In other words, each adventure should be varied and self-contained- as opposed to a labored setup for future sequels. This is more or less how the two Riddick videogames were approached. If Twohy and Diesel had taken that route back in 2004, they would probably be talking about a Riddick 4 or 5 by now.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    *Chonicles* Director's Cut

    by SadCadillac

    Anyone else but me notice how the theatrical cut is virtually un-watchable, while the Director's Cut is the bomb?!? Well, a guilty pleasure bomb anyway. It's all in the sequencing.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I dug chronicles...

    by Johnno

    Do something like that, but make it better!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    "When we get on top there's only one speed...

    by knowthyself speed." COME ON GUYS you take movies way too seriously. Riddick is just too much fun.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Anybody ever read the early draft...

    by jackson healy

    ...Of the Pitch Black Sequel? I think it went through various titles, one of which was simply Riddick 2. Great script. This is what Chronicles of Riddick should have been, and what they should use for the next film.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Larry Sellers

    Does this "modest scale" have anything to do with the epic fail of Riddick? They were good films and I wanted to see the third right after Chronicles ended. But they need to keep the budget up and NOT shrink down the universe just as it took an interesting turn. I guess an easy way out is PREQUEL :( or just set it decades later.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Why we don't need a sequel to "Riddick"

    by Balcony Fool

    While Pitch Black was a scrappy little Aliens rip-off that managed to gain favor with a handful of fans, Riddick is a full-blown sci-fi extravanganza with mythological aspirations, and it falls considerably short.<P> With flicks like this, I find myself asking questions: “How hard is it to construct a story that makes sense? Why raise questions you can’t answer? Why spend time with characters who don’t matter? Why invent extended scenes that contribute nothing to the story? And just how hard is it to hire someone whose sole job is to point out loopholes and contradictions in the story?”<P> "Riddick" is an incomprehensible muddle, pieced together from a hundred other story ideas. There’s a little Macbeth, a little Star Trek, a little Rambo, a little Casablanca, and a little bit of the New Testament, just for good measure. It’s no crime to lift narrative motifs from other stories, but no investment is made in any of the storylines; they’re tossed in carelessly and never explored to any effect.<P> The story: a super-powerful race called the Borg – er, sorry, the “Necromongers” – are criss-crossing the galaxy, going planet to planet, and giving all citizens the choice to join them or die. The Necromongers are on their merry way to a mysterious place called the “Underverse,” which is a sort of paradise, I think. The Necros are led by a guy called Lord Marshal, and he’s the only one who’s ever seen the Underverse. When he came back, he was, no kidding, “half dead, half…something else.” At any rate, it gave him the power to move in slow-motion and make cool sound effects. Also, he wears a humorously elaborate helmet.<P> Lord Marshal has one terrible fear. There was a prophecy, you see, about “the one” who would kill him. This “one,” obviously, is our hero, Neo. I mean Anakin. I mean Riddick.<P> Turns out Riddick is the last of the “Furyan” race. (Get it? Riddick’s always furious!) The prophecy declared that a Furyan would kill Lord Marshal, so Marshal wiped out the whole race. Well, almost. Like King Herod before him, he missed the one that really mattered.<P> Once this solemn, heaving backstory has been established and Riddick has been informed of his ultimate destiny, he immediately jumps into a spaceship and rockets off into a different movie. Riddick makes it clear to anyone who’ll listen that he doesn’t care if the Necros destroy the universe. He’s just that cynical.<P> So instead of fighting Necros, he’s off to find Jack, the little girl whose life he saved in Pitch Black. Jack’s all grown up now and is serving time in a nasty underground prison on a planet called Crematoria. The name is appropriate, because the planet’s surface reaches temperatures of 700 degrees during the day. Incredibly, however, it seems pretty comfortable in the evenings.<P> A decent film could have been made if this whole movie had been about Riddick’s quest to free Jack (who, inexplicably, is called Kyra now). Instead, we spend a lot of time meeting people who eventually die or disappear without explanation. Needless to say, Riddick and Kyra nearly escape the prison planet, but the Necros suddenly show up, kidnap Kyra, and leave Riddick to die on Crematoria.<P> You guessed it: now it’s personal.<P> And so Riddick heads off to fulfill his destiny, which turns out to be remarkably easy.<P> So much in this movie just doesn’t make sense. For example:<P> - If the Necros are on their way to paradise, why are they wasting time assimilating other planets? Why not just hit the cruise control button and relax ’til they start seeing signs that say “Underverse, next 5 exits?”<P> - What initially leads Imam to believe that Riddick, of all the people in the universe, might be the last Furyan?<P> - Why are all the prisoners at Crematoria (a “triple maximum” prison) such nice, accomodating fellows?<P> - Why does the sun rise constantly on Crematoria? If the planet is spinning that fast, doesn’t everyone get dizzy?<P> - If the surface of Crematoria is 700 degrees, how does hiding in the shadow of a big rock protect you? Also, how can it be perfectly inhabitable once the sun goes down? When I heat my oven to 350 and bake a pizza, it takes, like, two hours to cool down.<P> - Why do the Necros use those enormous and comically fallic towers of death? Doesn’t seem very efficient.<P> - Why hasn’t there been any organized galactic effort to oppose the Necros?<P> - At the climax, how did Riddick get into the inner chambers of the Necro mothership? For that matter, how did he even get back on the planet?<P> - If Lord Marshal is terrified enough of Furyans to wipe out their entire race, why doesn’t he just have Riddick killed when he gets the chance?<P> Much time is devoted to Commander Vaako and his treacherous wife. Lady Vaako wants her husband to murder Lord Marshal and take control of the Necromongers. Their subversive plot ultimately comes to nothing, of course, because killing Marshal is Riddick’s job. So the Vaakos’ anguished scheming has no effect on anyone, ever. If all those scenes were excised from film, the story would not be affected one iota.<P> There’s also quite a bit of time devoted to Judy Dench, who plays some kind of spirit-being. She floats in and out of scenes, materializing wherever needed and drooling ominous exposition every time she opens her mouth. It’s strange how she can appear and disappear out of thin air, but can be dragged along in regular ol’ locks and chains whenever the plot requires it.<P> There’s more – a lot more – but I’m sure you’re bored enough already. I think the novelty of Vin Diesel’s voice, head, and biceps has long since worn out its welcome. It’s time for this guy to get a real job.<P> [my review from 2004]

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Double Mumbo Jumbo...

    by Mr Gorilla

    I loved PITCH BLACK. Fantastic film, fantastic vid too. (Hey, where IS my DVD of it...?) But Chronicles suffered from the rule of Double Mumbo Jumbo - you can't have an alien beam down then get bitten by a vampire. Too many mythologies, and it all becomes difficult to care about. (See Spider-Man 3.) They had set up this world in Pitch Black - and the world didn't have strange transporting wispy people. Nor most of the weird shit in that film. I'm so sorry it turned out like that. At one point, it seemed we were going to get a very classy alternative to Star Wars.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Double Mumbo Jumbo...

    by Mr Gorilla

    I loved PITCH BLACK. Fantastic film, fantastic vid too. (Hey, where IS my DVD of it...?) But Chronicles suffered from the rule of Double Mumbo Jumbo - you can't have an alien beam down then get bitten by a vampire. Too many mythologies, and it all becomes difficult to care about. (See Spider-Man 3.) They had set up this world in Pitch Black - and the world didn't have strange transporting wispy people. Nor most of the weird shit in that film. I'm so sorry it turned out like that. At one point, it seemed we were going to get a very classy alternative to Star Wars.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    The main problem with COR...

    by jmac4ever

    ...was that it was PG-13. Taking a character as wonderfully R-rated as Riddick and turning him into a jokey, Will Smith-style, action rip-off was dumb as hell. They almost can't do another sequel because of how bad they ruined him in the last one. Since when does Riddick strand people instead of simply killing them? And why didn't he immediately kill the priest when he found him? What happened here is that higher-ups felt that they "knew better" in regards to the character and watered him down for the mainstream audiences. If they do another one, they have to get back to the Riddick that was awesome from Pitch Black and not that lame imposter from COR. That guy sucks.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Will there be an awesome prequel/sequel game for this movie?

    by anonymoose

    It's always good to have backup just in case the movie sucks. You know, something to keep the franchise alive.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Why we don't need a sequel to "Riddick"

    by Eye_H8_U

    Sums up everything that was wrong w/ COR nicely. How many more sci-fi films are going to use this prophecised hero that will save the universe motif. It was as if they decided to do a complete 180 with the Riddick character and change everything that worked about him. He was a badass antihero cuthroat in PB. Riddick should be a guy who will just as soon piss on somebody's bones and skullfuck them as be the hero.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    COR was great

    by TakeItEasyMon

    Although it seems the audience for a sequel is lacking. Perhaps switch to animated or graphic novel format to continue the story. For it's flaws, it was quite nice to see a new IP. Great set design and fx work in my opinion. All you people shitting on this for the last few years, you aren't saying anything new. Don't waste your time bitching about how terrible it was, we already know how you feel.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    both movies are mint

    by Xiphos_2

    Too bad the whinny motherfuckers who love watching reboots, remakes and sequals can't see that.<p> I guess that's why a movie like Transformers makes hugh bank. Badly rendered racist robots and tranny Megan Fox are all you need to make good "sci fi" these days.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I hope they expand on the second one

    by jimmy_009

    It was underrated. The only thing I didn't care for was the production design on the Necromongers. The ending really lent itself to a good sequel, it'd be a shame to ditch it in favor of a Riddick v. monster movie (although I'd watch that too).

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Throw in Seth Rogan.

    by cookylamoo

    as the second to last Furian...Nick.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    no more please

    by Norm3

    Who cares about this dead story anymore.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    A movie more like Pitch Black and less like Chronicles

    by MattmanReturns

    would be appreciated. I kinda like Chronicles the first couple of times I saw it, but I saw it on Blu-Ray recently and I gotta say that movie's a big mess. The prison sequence is the only part that still holds up.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    by Balcony Fool

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Twohy Rocks!

    by Ciderman

    Anything new from Twohy is great news, and no need for a linear take on the Riddick universe, this tale could/should be set before the Pitch Black days, so much potential. Also, if you thought Pitch Black was good, look at Twohy's "Below", it's awesome!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I like your second post better Balcony

    by just pillow talk

    I keed.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    thanks, jpt

    by Balcony Fool

    that's the condensed version.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    CHRONICLES was huge and had some great moments, but was a bit too ambitious. I give everyone involved points for effort even if the final product was merely okay. I think scaling this down for a sequel is a good move - CHRONICLES really seemed hellbent on shooting every possible wad available, and as a result the pacing seemed to go from 0 to 60 to 0 in too short a period of time. <br> <br> Also, I give Vin and Co HUGE credit for making solid video games to stand alongside their films and flesh out their world. Years from now I think this angle of spending as much time developing an original game alongside an original movie will become more mainstream and Vin will be seen as a pioneer.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    was david twohy the guy who got arrested in drag

    by ironic_name

    for solicit'?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred agrees with you. They attempted too many tropes and tripped up. They tried the 'bigger is better' approach, and it always, always, always fails. They did not go as far as the Wachowskis and start believing in their own mythos, but it came close enough. Pitch Black was a near perfect execution. COR was a bloated mess.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Pitch Black was too low budget.

    by estacado1

    After the second movie, they want to go back to low budget? It will suck. The 2nd movie's big budget was what made it cool. The fighting effects, the way they move very fast that they kind of "vaporize" only to appear behind somebody, that's super cool. And he's king now. You want to go low budget after he's king? That's a step backwards moviemaking-wise and even story-wise. After becoming king he needs bigger challenges. Not go to some remote planet to fight creepy crawlies.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    It was mediocre...and that is why it failed

    by ScottinDC

    The idea of a 'crusade' and the implications of a weird religion that worships death destroying worlds along the way to its' holy land could have been amusing; but bad performances, fucking god-awful editing and the changes made to the core character's personality made the feel somewhat impotent.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    Some of the race/planet names were a little cheesy (Furians, Necromongers, Crematoria etc) so the whole thing lacked the verisimilitude of say Star Wars or LOTR but the invasion at the beginning KICKED FUCKIN' ARSE!<Br>That and Riddick being the coolest character to have a bounty on his head since Han Solo means if they make this I will come. In a sock.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel vs. Jason Statham, Luc Besson direct

    by estacado1

    That's a movie I want to see.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Riddick is Cool

    by Crow3711

    Vin Diesel is not. And now he realizes it was the only cool thing he ever did.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Is Underland in the Underverse?

    by landosystem

    Riddick VS Baron Underbite, now that would be a film.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Estacado1: Pitch Black Should Get The SW Special Edition...

    by Media Messiah

    ...treatment. They need to add about 5 to 10 million dollars worth of matted in landscapes, ruins, and sets, to really enhance and amp up the look of the film, and make it look more expensive. The creature effects are top-notch, but the locations, well, some of them are missing definition...and look cheap, which is understandable considering the budget of the film. Adding additional effects, will serve to make Pitch Black look more expansive...and lived-in as a world. It can only help any future Riddick sequels...that they might do, in terms of raising audience interest. In addition, Chronicles Of Riddick really needs a re-edit. Much of the Necromonger seige on the planet needs to be cut and reshoot, and the prison dog footage should be well, the space/planet atmosphere battles need to be reshoot. The special effects company really blew it there. I would recommend Zoic being employed to redo those seens...with a different more streaming look.<BR><BR>Lastly, I would cut back on most of the Necromonger footage in total as villains have a bigger iimport when they are only seen very little. And one more thing...the director originallly planned to have Tandy Newton give Karl Urban oral sex on the Lord Marshal's thrown...and quite frankly, that scene should be shot and placed into the film, as it would add some adult weight to the film. Sadly, Universal asked them to not film the seen in order to get a lower rating. That is actually a true story. Restore that seen, and you will be closer to having the "Dark Version of Star Wars" which you promised fans, but failed to deliver.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    COR special edition

    by vb4ever

    The special edition with added footage did a much better job of fleshing out the story. The movie was still flawed though, but fun. I was always hoping that Riddick would have dropped the Merc and his crew off at the planet in the first film.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by Stalkeye

    It was in fact the director Lee Tamihori who posed as some tranny hooker. I laughed my ass off when I saw the photo. Yep, he's a girly-man.And to think he was once considered to helm Marvel's proposed Deathlok Movie.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    To Angranoid--yes! exactly!

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I have said that for years! Well, maybe not necessarily Queen - I don't think in terms of a specific band or artist, but the flick has 70's prog-rock concept album written all over it, and I'll always have a small, soft place in my heart because of it. Messy, at times incoherent, but fun.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    ScottinDC: The Ori In Stargate Executed The Concept Better

    by Media Messiah

    The Ori, as executed on Stargate, are what the Necromongers should have been. Chronicles of Riddick, save for the Prison Planet escape scene, suffered from bad special effects, slow pacing, bad editing, as you pointed-out, and was entirely too long. Oh yeah, and waht happened to Riddick being bad? He was just too limp in Chronicles??? To me, the only good scene in the film, was the entirely unexpected twist ending.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by martinlutherkrangjr

    you realize the irony of slaggong people for only wanting to watch reboots and sequels while saying you enjoy the riddick sequel and want another right?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    yes make more riddick

    by bone_white

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Chronicles was a decent movie.

    by Kontarsky

    I think he problem was that so many people walked in expecting Pitch Black all over again. I'd like to see either video game as a movie, but fuck that, I want to see more Necromongers, Furyans, and all of that other rubbish. Riddick had a great gimmick to try getting the word out too - you just made icons and rubbish and got points, then got free toys, hats, and shit. I remember I had enough and got my friend something (sadly was USA/Canada only). Too bad we won't see that again, due to the current economy. Anyway, another tally in favour of Riddick sequel. Hell yeah.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Anybody see "BELOW"?

    by MattmanReturns

    That was a cool little movie directed by Twohy, although it had a rather predictable and weak ending.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye, thats right... twohy sounds a bit new zealandy

    by ironic_name

    maybe he saw Terrence stamp in drag in Priscilla and decided that was his look.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    What the hell got into Twohy?

    by kesoze4

    I always liked that one line of Harry's more than the movie itself.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Interesting Failure > Mediocre Triumph...

    by spud mcspud

    CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK was a decent enough action flick. I don't know exactly what you guys are all after from a RIDDICK sequel - YES, Riddick shouldn't have been John McClaned down to a PG-13 character, and YES, the names of certain races and planets were so fucking amateur your average 8-year old D&D player could have come up with something better (CREMATORIA? REALLY? Furyan? Necromongers? Underverse? God forbid you make up some actual new terms, rather than just mash up existing words to keep the dumbasses in their oversized seats). YES, the entire Vaako thing was utterly pointless. But despite all this, it was more fun than all three STAR WARS prequels combined (the fool who said he'd rather see a Gungan movie needs to be smothered to death by George Lucas' childhood-raping uber-chingizzard). It had some interesting characters - loving Nick Chinlund's merc. You could actualy have some interesting stuff go on with Vaako in another movie - and to see him constantly try to kill Riddick, without success, still trying for the Lord Marshallship, could be fun. But most of all - we need to see the Underverse next, and see exactly what's so great and powerful about it that the Necromongers need such a massive army before they go back there. Are they planning to take it over? If it's some kind of hell dimension, an army of Necros led by Riddick to subjugate it could be cool. Need a decent reason for that though.<P> I'd ALWAYS rather see an interesting failure than a mediocre triumph. RIDDICK was the definition of an interesting failure: it had the best production design of any space movie I've seen in years. Why NOT make a sequel?<P> Oh, and the whole anti-hero thing: it's made pretty explicit in the first movie that Riddick feels sufficiently ashamed of whatever he's done in the past that he'd rather spend the rest of his life away from humanity than try to atone for what he did, as evidenced by his trying to lie low before being caught by Cole Hauser's merc, and again by his living in seclusion at the beginning of RIDDICK. But he showed this most obviously at the end of PITCH BLACK: when the last najor character got killed, and was carried off by the creature, Riddick shouted "Not for me!". To that point, he was helping people escpae so that HE, too, could escape - after that point, he understands that there are people who would still die to protect people they barely knew, even AFTER they did something terrible (in Caroline's case, trying to jettison the people in their cryopods at the beginning of PITCH BLACK to save her own skin) - leaving Riddick to ponder whether he too could atone for whatever he did in the past by saving Jack and Imam.<P> He's not JUST an anti-hero. There's more to his backstory than just being a one-liner spitting badass with a shine job and some wicked knives.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Vin is gay thing?

    by spud mcspud

    Not that it matters in any way, but where the hell is the proof of this? Or even any compelling evidence of it?<P> Or are some of you badass action movie hero worshippers out there just projecting? Just a thought...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4 p.m. CST


    by MrMysteryGuest

    Heck, go with what works!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    "Why NOT make a sequel?"

    by Orbots Commander

    Because nobody is willing to front the cash for it, that's why. Chronicles of Riddick bombed. It didn't break even, it totally, absolutely bombed, so are you surprised that there isn't a studio or money guy out there willing to bankroll a sequel? I mean, unless COR fans want to start a Paypal "Riddick-sequel-Vin-Diesel's-gotta-eat fund".

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Less Lord of the Rings in Space, More Blade Runner

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Yeah, that's all.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    COR was good sci-fi

    by MorganLeafy

    Let's see: it had a bad-ass antagonist, an interesting and POWERFUL bad-guy, a lot of traveling to alien planets, precisely the right amount of camp and nonsense and above all: not of those oh-shit-we-only-have-fifteen-minutes-of-movie-to-go-but-50-million-dollars-to-spend endings. I also have something to say about Vin being gay. If you’re straight, that’s all the more women for us. If you’re gay, maybe you’ll get to meet him someday and do some cottaging when he’s really drunk.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I'm straight AND quite naive, so I have to ask: what's "cottaging"?<P> Or do I really not want to know?<P> Oh, and you're bang on with your assessment. I thought RIDDICK was just thundering good entertainment - what the hell else do we need in a popcorn movie? Better by miles than any of the Star Wars prequels...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    yeah but the star wars prequels sucked real bad.

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    Saying riddick was better than those movies is the definition of a backhanded compliment. Still sucked. It was basically a crappy not well thought version of the duneverse.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by bueno_bob

    Your mother should have swallowed.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    instead of dropping 30 mil or whatever on a riddick sequel

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    lets have 30 million go towards some new exciting sci fi property that will have the potential to be great not just some vin diesel paycheck movie that at best (based on the last 2) will be "meh".

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    orbots commander

    by aestheticity

    i believe it broke even. it sold rather well on dvd.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Make it a Riddick/Serenity crossover

    by aversiontherapy2


  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Of COURSE Desiel is gay

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    and of COURSE it doesn't matter, unless you're trying to sleep with him. I think the man is talented and extremely charismatic. He's also a geek to the core. I hope to see more work with his creative decision making involved, whether that work includes the Riddick Persona or not.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    meh riddick was average

    by mynemaborat

    dunno why theres any love for these films... thought they were mediocre

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    That's the only crossover I wanna see. In an alien gladiatorial arena, no less.<P> With ALIENS.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns, Aronofsky WROTE below.

    by s0nicdeathmonkey


  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Pitchier And Blackier 3:

    by Ray Gamma

    The Chronstrious & The Riddickulous. </P> <P> Tokstryo Drifstriouser.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Still haven't seen Riddick

    by Disposable Hero

    but I dug Pitch Black back when I saw it in theaters. Haven't seen it since though.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Do not want.

    by JoeSixPack

    Pitch Black was a good, small movie. Chronicles of Riddick was an overblown piece of crap. Pitch Black did not need a sequel and definitely does not need another one.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I always took the Underverse to mean they were

    by Teddy Artery

    a death cult. Not that there literally WAS an Underverse. Oh, boy. Hope they don't pull a "midichlorian" on us with this one.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Teddy Artery

    by spud mcspud

    The clue is in the line right near the beginning of CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK where Dame Judi Dench says "Only one among them had actually been to the Underverse, and lived to tell the tale. He returned, half-living, half... something else."<P> It's a place, alright. Vin had alluded to the fact that it is another plane of existence when he mentioned (back just before COR was released) that he went and bought a shitload of AD&D books to re-read when he and Twohy were spitballing about how to expland the universe of Riddick. It's almost certainly some kind of chaos or hell dimension, another plane of existence. Could be very, very cool.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Don't FUCK with the Riddick

    by Anything But Tangerines

    Top 10 movie characters all time, haters.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    or could be like a 12 yr old playing dungeon master

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    cause it sure seemed like that in chronicles of riddick.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    At least it's better than the D&D movie

    by spud mcspud

    What a half-arsed fucking shitefest THAT turned out to be. And ripping off the fucking PHANTOM MENACE? When you're ripping off pretty much the worst movie Lucas has ever made, you KNOW you have no ideas left. Bruce Payne in blue lipstick. Jeremy Irons in full on scene-chewing mode (even more than DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, Gods help us), Thora Birch as Queen Amidal-whoever, and MARLON FUCKING WAYANS.<P> If ever a movie needed a decent reboot, with a director who ACTUALLY FUCKING CARES, it's D&D. I'd go with the cartoon concept - open it in 1975, a gang of gamers playing Basic D&D, they get sucked it via some MacGuffin or other, and have to find their way home. And the ending has them either choosing to go home - and possibly destroy both the D&D lands AND the Earth - or stay in the D&D world and go on to the sequel to find the MacGuffin to close the world portal and send them home. Venger would be an AWESOME villain!<P> That's it. REBOOT THAT SHIT!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    absolutely Riddickulous.....

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    ...I showed up to the game late :(

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    'Reboot that shit!'...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    srry, but no true film fan would ever utter such words.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by bueno_bob

    That's actually a good long as the Predator rips him apart with very little problem, I'm good with it.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    If they never make another, CoR at least has a great ending

    by Tall_Boy66

    "You keep what you kill..." Series over, Riddick controls the universe. Yes, there are hanging threads and unresolved plots but RIDDICK CONTROLS THE FUCKING UNIVERSE! That's a good way to end any movie.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    s0nicdeathmonkey, shit I didn't know that

    by MattmanReturns

    That's pretty cool...

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    COR -did- have a great ending!

    by MattmanReturns

    The battle with the final boss was awesome, including the clever little trick he has to figure out to defeat him (just like a video game). And then that final shot where he sits on the throne and everyone bows is classic. I just wish the rest of the movie had been as solid as its final 10 mins. Although, again, it's worth it for the prison sequence.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Unless they're going to pretend Chronicles never happened...

    by thedarklinglord

    I don't see anywhere else for them to go besides Underverse. And, hell, why the fuck WOULDN'T they want to go there? <br> <br> My thought was always that Underverse was sort of a parallel universe that's part afterlife, part hell. A barren, desolate wasteland of death and carnage and ghoulish monstrosities. Sort of like Superman's Phantom Zone. Or something similar to the planet from Pitch Black, only somewhat more urban, with ruined cityscapes and wreckage strewn about. A place where the sun never shines but, instead, is eternally cloaked in foreboding, darkened skies. A dark place. A shadowy place. <br> <br> So you send Riddick in there - through some Necromonger contraption that emulates death - to get Kyra's soul. And, of course, because Riddick now rules the Necromongers, he takes Karl Urban and a few other grunts along for the ride. Maybe even go pick up Nick Chinlund's character, because even though he's a dick, he'd be good to have along for the trip. Plus, Riddick's the kinda dude who'd get a kick out of taking the bastard along into a death world. Now you've got this party of adventures, and there's obvious tension on all fronts. There's your character interaction. <br> <br> Meanwhile, while they're all hooked into those death-dream machines, you've got Thandie Newton plotting on how to kill Riddick while he's asleep/dead. She's plotting with Karl's character, saying how once Riddick is dead, he'll again be able to rule. Only, along the way, she starts to think about how she could kill both Riddick and him, and SHE could rule. When Karl gets wind of this, it creates an uneasy alliance between Riddick and Karl - which, let's face it, is what everyone wants, since Karl's a likable guy and all, you don't really want him to be the bad guy. <br> <br> And along the way in their travels in Underverse, because it's a death world, you can even have Keith David come back. Hell, get the cash to even have Radha Mitchell and Cole Hauser reprise their Pitch Black roles. I mean, come on, that shit could get really funny, and real interesting where character dynamics are concerned. <br> <br> Though, one thing I'm going to beg them to do is spend some time and money for any CG effects this time around. That porcupine tiger-dog thing at the furnace prison looked fucking lame. I'm talking SyFy Channel lame. Either strive for Gollum quality or skip the CG and go practical with animatronics and men in rubber suits.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    TheDarklingLord: They Don't Need To Write-Off Chronicles

    by Media Messiah

    What they should do is begin the next movie with Riddick discovering that the Underverse is no salvation, rather it is a bleak nothingness of followers led to their doom--crashed ships, etc. When the Necromongers follow, they are soon quickly devoured, by, surprise(???), the creaures from the first film--it turns out this is their home, where they are spawned. Fleeing, as the Necromonger fleets are destroyed...Riddick runs smack dab into his new adventure...hence starts the new movie. End of Prologue.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    PS: Riddick Hires The Mercs...

    by Media Messiah

    ...for a mission. He and his cut-throat merc allies must pull-off something big against all odds. That ultimate McGuffin is for Vin and Twohy to come up with, what ever it is.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    by Media Messiah

    You know I said that some months ago--Riddick should feel like Blade Runner meets Aliens, like the original did.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Chronicles of Riddick

    by Sgt.Steiner

    "Zardoz" without the humor, or Charlotte Rampling's fine ass.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Chronicles had some interesting concepts.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Pitch Black was clearly better because it was self-contained and intense. Chronicles of Riddick had a lot goin' on, maybe too much to process. But Riddick is a badass character who thugs his way through crazy situations. Kinda like Conan. Hmmm. Any chance we could start a petition to get Twohy to direct a new Conan epic?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I'm amazed that the hyper critical folks

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    who post on this site will endlessly moan and wail about the shit storm of terrible movies that get made yet will there is somehow a fountain of goodwill for for diesel and the awful c.o.r. Vin diesel has been in some of the most god awful movies of the last decade including xxx, 2 fast furious flicks the pacifier and Babylon ad and c.o.r. Yet there is a fountain of goodwill for this project. I am stumped. Is it just this particular property or do people just get behind diesel cuz he makes some video games and pays lip service to nerds and supposedly loves d&d? Please explain why this franchise needs another shot instead of the money going towards an original sci fi property? To me riddick is the equivalent to meet dave when it comes to sci fi.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    No, trust me...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...the Diesel-Riddick love is puzzling to this talkbacker, and I'm sure others as well. Not that I don't think the guy has *some* screen charisma and talent, but he blew it, ahem, so to speak. <p> Diesel was in three good movies: Pitch Black, Boiler Room and Saving Private Ryan. Everything he's been in has been dog shit, which I chalk up to his, let's say, questionable ability to pick scripts. He needs to hire to somebody for him that has some reading ability and taste in good material. <p> I think this Summer's Fast and Furious earned him one more shot. If he makes another Babylon A.D., it's straight to DVD fare for him, or headlining a Law and Order spin-off.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    When I say goodbye...

    by Gojira_X

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    it's forever

    by Gojira_X

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by PornKing


  • Aug. 3, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    diesel is likeable

    by mynemaborat

    chicks love him and guys like him... he's got charisma and cool and is good in the right roles. thats the problem really, he never chooses the right roles. how can someone be so dumb about which movies to do and which ones to get the fuck away from? it isn't rocket science.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    good movies for vin?

    by mynemaborat

    i just tried thinking about which movies that have come out this year that vin would have been good in... couldnt think of any. i guess it actually must be hard for him to come across movies that suit him. anyone think of any that would have been good for him in last couple of years?

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    xxx or riddick . . . I'd rather have a new Riddick

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    Let's put the bitching aside to realize pitchblack and chronicles weren't all that bad. Compared to mass amounts of sci-fi shit hollywood has cramed down our throats over the past decade while disrespecting everything about the genre the two flicks mentioned above look like fucking mastepieces.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    All the big stars...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...are supposed to take charge of their careers and develop material suited for them. I think Diesel should maybe take a supporting part in an ensemble film, something contemporary from a good filmmaker, to showcase his acting chops. He wasn't bad in Boiler Room. If I were him, I'd be calling Oliver Stone to see if there was a small part for him in the WALL STREET sequel with Shia Lebouf and Josh Brolin.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    dude I like pitch black alot

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    It was everything that chronicles was not. Chronicles to me was not some breathe of fresh air but yet another crap Hollywood exercise in attempted franchise building. They removed any personal elements that the first movie had, gave the director a 100 million dollars, half baked a script with some tacked on mythology and used the goodwill brokered by by a movie a potential cult status to push a throat load of shit on an audience that was eager to give these movies another go. That's just my take but its only an opinion.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    sorry bout typos and poor grammar. I'm writing on an iPhone. Or

    by martinlutherkrangjr

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    meant to write

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    sorry bout typos typing on iPhone. And I'm Portuguese.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Chronicles was really good at the theater

    by Quake II

    It lost some impact at home but it's still cooler than 90% of the "action" films Hollywood releases every year. It reminds me of a live action "Heavy Metal" magazine story. The prison stuff should have been cut though. I always ff through that shit.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST


    by hayt43

    I want Vin to make his Epic Hannibal Film. Screw Riddick. I want the crossing of the Alps and the Battle of Canne.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Im up for it

    by IamZardoz

    Pitch Black was a good movie with some great scenes (when the sun disappears behind those rings and those things start flying out of their holes in the ground ect...) but I really liked CoR a little better. It was a totallly different type of flick but it had outstanding special effects (how the attacking necro ships looked like a comet at first but then you see up close, that fire planet ect...) Just get rid of the elementals and go on with the story!

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    both movies kicked ass as b-movie scifi

    by mr. smith

    and the world needs more of that. it also needs top shelf scifi too. now lets sign off the internet long enough to write some. or smoke a bowl. whatever.

  • Aug. 3, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Riddicks theatrical cut sucked unholy amounts of ass shit

    by ChoclateWoman

    THE DIRECTORS cut on the otherhand was much better, you could follow the action because it wasn't cut to bits and the furyan subplot actually made sense. Could have done with 5 of diesels one liners cut out as well, but what's a hot stud like vinny gonna do? Pitch black is still fun. And the games are ace too. Could do with another romp in this universe. Maybe Riddick can discover he's really homosexual playing a badass.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The Director's Cut Was Still A Mess!!! Why?:

    by Media Messiah

    Answer: Because the story was a mess, and the direction, and editing, of the fight choreography, abysmal? Again, the only good scene in the movie, is the unexpected twist ending, which leaves Riddick in charge of a Star Empire, he never wanted? If you want to see "The Chronicles Of Riddick", as it should have been presented, and realized, rent...or buy, the movie "Serenity". Yes, it has a few shaky scenes, and the effects budget--and that for the sets, was lacking, but boy, did it kick-ass, story wise, dramatically, and in terms of pacing. Universal should have looked at the rough-cut and placed an additional 10 million dollars into the effects budget...and reshoots for the bar scene, so they could matte in a better set, or reshoot it against green screen, so they could accomplish that. Also, the other planetary based scenes, and the sets therein, could have used CGI matte replacements...but in the end, it dusts "Chronicles Of Riddick" every turn, and easily so!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Riddick movies aren't perfect

    by krushjudgement

    But they are super cool. I'm down for more.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    they should model the poster after Fast & Furious

    by Jesiah

    Four floating heads at the top, Vin, Thandie Newton, Karl Urban, and hopefully that lady Judy Dench or someone else prominent in the movie. That Fast & Furious poster makes me anxious for the movie to drop in price so I can buy it.....not anxious enough to buy it now at full price, hell no, but then again the bluray supposedly comes with a ipod copy "for a limited time" so I may wait to buy it at around $20 instead of $10.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Karl Urban needs a better hairstyle if he comes back

    by Jesiah

    Its nice to see him as Bones....the guy seems to be stuck playing second fiddle in action movies, be it Rock in Doom, Vin in COR, Damon in Bourne, it's nice to see him get acclaim in another genre, even if he is still in the background in Star Trek he was one of the best elements in it.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Go away, and stop posting YOUR ideas of where franchises should go. They are terrible.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Urban Dictionary defines cottaging as....

    by MorganLeafy

    the act of having anonymous sexual encounters with other men in public toilets. For further information check out the animated BBC series Monkey Dust

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore: You Have No Ideas

    by Media Messiah

    You wantonly worthless automaton. You are brainless and without a soul. You are simply one more empty body who is a part of the greater hive mind, and that is the problem with this world--there are too many people like you, who are too unwilling to escape The Matrix that you are trapped in. You are Necromongers, zombies...never knowing a thought of your own, just living how you are told as simpleton mind slaves, morons/buffoons. You communicating with me, is like a monkey (you)attempting to talk to a Greek God (that would be me, you mental flea). Unlike you, I am free. I think for myself, and I have ideas, whether you...a souless robot, cares, or not, your insipid waste of existence, matters me.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by EpilepticLurcher

    Serenity sucked too. Its why Firefly was cancelled in the first place. Don't make out its intelligent sci-fi. Its bubblegum tv for girls.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Pitch Black was scifi for frat boys.

    by Dingbatty

    A failed experiment.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    i fell asleep on Chronicles

    by David Cloverfield

    Two times that happened to me in a movie theater. I couldn't believe when I woke up during the end credits. I was looking forward to that movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Hate to pull the ownage card, but I've had a webcomic issue reviewed on AICN. Reynard City Issue 9. Even if you hate it, that makes me better than you because they CHOSE to review something I did - whereas you throw out GROUNDBREAKING IDEAS for free in the hope some Hollywood exec in the midst of a blowjob and a pancake will bite the bait.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Not saying I'm better than anyone else at writing, just better than a troll like Media.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    What is that supposed to mean?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    @Mr. Zeddemore

    by V'Shael

    Cool on the comic news. I didn't know that. (By which I mean you're pretty blase about it.) <p> Don't you just know that if Media Messiah ever had a modicum of success he'd fucking rave about it incessantly? <p> I mean, he fucking raved about getting a freaking lapdance in a lapdancing club. <p> Isn't that like raving about how you got a beer, in a bar? <p> Well done there, you greek god. You have mastered the art of exchanging money for goods or services.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Better Than This

    by Cobbio

    The reason "Pitch Black" was a marginally cool film, while "The Chronicles of Riddick" became an overblown mess, was because the second film was Riddick-centric.<p> News Flash: for all his badassery, Riddick ain't that interesting. He's just not. He turned into a boring, paper thin, dungeons and dragons male fantasy in the second film. Which ruined it. "Pitch Black" was interesting because he was just a dude. He was part of an ensemble and played against equally powerful personalities. Plus there were flying aliens.<p> "The Chronicles of Riddick" trashed that dynamic, deifying Riddick (for absolutely NO specific reason, much like dungeons and dragons nerds tend to do with their characters), and turning a stone-faced dullard into the crux of an intergalactic uprising. I generally like David Twohy, but the second film grew meaninglessly self-important and lost its way. A third film, regardless of budget, seems moot at this point.<p> Stick a fork in the franchise and move on.<p> I know David Twohy can do better than this.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    by spud mcspud

    'Reboot that shit!'... by cheyne_stoking_DMS <P> "srry, but no true film fan would ever utter such words."<P> You cheeky sod! And from a man shameless enough to scavenge J K Rowling's spell list to turn "Riddiculous!" into "Riddickulous!"<P> It's not a bad pun, but - you just cheeky, son!<P> And if you were gonna say "Reboot that shit!" about ANY movie, you'd have to say D&D was the movie furthest away from the source material with the greatest potential. Come on - the idea of five seventies role-playing kids trapped in their own imaginary world, hunted by a multi-dimensional psychopathic demi-god called Venger, searching for a way home - that doesn't float your boat?<P> It'd certainly wash the images of Bruce Payne in blue lippy and Marlon fuckin' Wayans out of my mind, that's for DAAAAAMN sure.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I don't think Riddick's character is quite as two-dimensional as you say - he comes loade up with backstory and plenty of cool skills, like any sci-fi hero should - isn't that a bit like saying Conan the Cimmerian is just some bloodthirsty thug who takes what he wants and just boots and slashes his way through history?<P> You COULD say that... until you read the stories, and realise that brawn alone would never have got Conan to the throne of Aquilonia. He's an animalistic unreconstructed man, who learns to use his brain as well as his brawn in the unfamiliar surrounds of Civilisation. Remind you of a certain badass SF anti-hero?<P> Nah - simplistic, Riddick certainly ain't.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    cronicles of riddick: tokyo drift!

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The truest dialogue Seth Rogen ever spoke when asked in 40 Yr Old Virgin why he didn't mention he was trying to be an author 'I am not an asshole.' <p> And a loud 'hah' on you burning him.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Good points, McSpud. Riddick probably isn't quite as two-dimensional as I described him above. And it's true that certain sci-fi heroes don't need much backstory in order to be cool. I'll give you that.<p> But I think "Riddick" bit off way more than he could chew in the second film. The story was too big, too sprawling, and for all its angles, way too simplistic. This is just my opinion, of course, but wouldn't it have been cool to see "Pitch Black" Riddick go places and settle scores like "Pitch Black" Riddick, instead of indestructibly godlike "Chronicles of Riddick" Riddick? His story grew too big, too fast, and for no good reason. I gave a shit about Riddick in "Pitch Black" because he was just a dude, not some anti-heroic intergalactic savior.<p> There're hundreds of more interesting, small-scale stories Twohy could've told with Riddick, all brimming with loads of twisted drama. But no, he went for the "savior of the universe" angle.<p> That's fanboy thinking. Not good cinema.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I DO take your point about making riddick into something bigger than he ought to be - isn't it a bit hackneyed to have Riddick be the LAST Furyan, then have the Furyans be the ONLY race the Necromongers fear, and have Imam know ALL of this - and the Lord Marshal keeps on keeping Riddick alive, giving him all the big speeches and so forth, when he should just ghost him ASAP. All Colm Feore needs in that movie is Seth Green doing a Scott Evil: "I have a gun. In my room. I'll go get it, let's kill him together!". It's a bit Bad Bond Villain, how the Lord Marshall keeps on speechifying just long enough to let Riddick slip his bonds every time.<P> I'd have bought it if Riddick wasn't the LAST Furyan, and that he's after the Lord Marshall solely because the Necromongers killed the only people he cared about (Kyra and Imam). The whole revenge storyline is much more the kind of guy Riddick is: he wouldn't give a shit about being the Chosen One, but in the absence of anything else much to do, he WOULD avenge the deaths of the two people he still vaguely cared about. Why couldn't Imam have called him because he believed Riddick could prepare a defence force against the Necros, or just because he believed Riddick could get he and his family off world (would reveal Imam to be a little selfish maybe, but Riddick could have picked up on that - how even someone as moral as Imam would turn to saving his own family first in the event of planetary annihilation - could have been some decent meat to chew on dramatically)? I totally agree the "Saviour of the Universe" angle is NOT the way they should have gone - but they did give it a great WTF? ending, which would be a bit of a shame to waste. As Conan became a king almost by accident, so too Riddick should become the new Lord Marshall almost without caring that he is, because his quest is more important than ruling their race. But since the killer of his friends is now dead - what would Riddick now want to accomplish?<P> They need a better writer than Twohy to write his way out of these corners. Might I humbly suggest J Michael Straczynski?<P> There's still mileage in Riddick though. Just needs a bit more focus on the writing.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    When is the Pluto Nash sequel coming out?

    by Stabby

    Just sayin?

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Fair point Stabby

    by spud mcspud

    PLUTO NASH is absolutely NOT deserving of all the negativity aimed at it. Truth be told, it feels like an '80s Chevy Chase comedy but starring Eddie Murphy in Chevy's role and transplanted to the moon. Randy Quaid makes a fun enough robot sidekick / comic relief, Rosario Dawson is suitably spunky as Pluto's object of desire, and the reveal of who the villain is actually surprises. The SFX are fine, the story is fun - why does everyone hate this movie so much? It's a kids' space movie about a fast-talkin' businessman about to lose his little empire on the Moon to a corrupt megabusinessman rival - it's BIG BUSINESS on the Moon!<P> Some haters just hate for the sake of hatin'. I though PLUTO NASH was a fun little movie, a blast from start to finish! Stabby - you agree, or are you being sarcastic??

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    What is this nonsense i'm reading?

    by AsimovLives

    The Chronicles of Riddick was one damn good old fashioned fun space adventure movie. With the added fun of having a true anti-hero as the protagonist. but what is this shit i'm reading here? People severely disliking it? Mistaking it for a bad movie? Are this the same people who though any of the Transformers movie are fun? Or Jar Jatr Abram's Dawson Trek? Good lord, the tastes of some people!

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    I agree, McSpud. A writer other than David Twohy might liven things up a bit in a possible third film.<p> J. Michael Straczynski would be an excellent choice if Twohy or his studio go in this direction. They probably won't, but it's fun to speculate.<p> Other writers I might try out: Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby ("Children of Men"), Andrew Kevin Walker ("Seven"), or Mark Verheiden ("Battlestar Galactica"). For the hell of it, I might even roam into novelist ranks and ask Richard K. Morgan ("Altered Carbon") or Peter Watts ("Blindsight"). But I'd push for someone thought-provokingly R-rated.<p> Because that's what the third film -- if they make it -- needs to be.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Re: AsimovLives

    by Cobbio

    It's cool if you liked "The Chronicles of Riddick." Yes, it was sort of an old fashioned space adventure, I suppose.<p> But I think it's interesting you're giving it such a pass. I was really looking forward to it when I first saw the trailers and media coverage. As a fan of good science fiction, I was most definitely on board.<p> But then I watched the movie and changed my mind. I've watched the film twice since then and both times was even more put off by it.<p> It's old fashioned and it's adventure, yes. Riddick is a pretty cool anti-hero, yes. The effects in the movie were basically well-done, yes. I'm with you on these points.<p> The problem is that the story is messy, unfocused, boring, and very much a role playing gamer's fantasy, which Vin Diesel is, instead of intense, unpredictable, ass-kicking, and memorable.<p> This is why many people have problems with the film. If you like it, that's cool. I'm not saying you shouldn't.

  • Aug. 4, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by martinlutherkrangjr

    I cannot believe after all your tirades against star trek you would defend an even worse, more shallow and convoluted movie like riddick. Riddick makes that bullshit movie look like millers crossing. I mean cmon, i swear Robert rodriguezs kids wrote riddick. Or me and my buddies in highschool after smoking a couple 51ers and drinking a couple 40s of oe while poring over our d&d books.

  • Aug. 5, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Riddick goes to Hell

    by Ciderman

    Let's face it, this is the film we want to see, a movie about Riddick in the Underverse, taking on whatever demons, creatures and elvis impersonators are down there. But, unfortunately, not enough people watched the COR to warrant a straight sequel, not enough to get a studio to give a budget to make it properly anyway. A reboot would be terrible, and given that the original was very well received a prequel would probably be the best way to go. Riddick is certainly the coolest character in scifi since Solo, but Diesel is just too limited an actor to do him justice. A whole new movie, no Riddick at all, based in the Alter Carbon world of Richard Morgan, now that would be some grown up scifi right there.