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Spielberg takes most unnecessary remake since A GUY NAMED JOE. This time it is HARVEY!
Hey folks, Harry here - and frankly I'm a little depressed by the latest news from Mike Fleming over at Variety. It seems that Steven Spielberg is next going to remake HARVEY, when he's finished with TINTIN.
Thus far in Spielberg's career he's had two rather severe career missteps. The first was when he went to remake the beloved Spencer Tracy film, A GUY NAMED JOE with his film ALWAYS. The movie just didn't live up to the original. Then he wanted to recapture PETER PAN with HOOK - and again it did not wind up pretty. With HARVEY, he has an absolutely perfect original film starring Jimmy Stewart and his invisible rabbit, Harvey. It is easily one of the most beloved films in the history of cinema starring pretty much the most beloved actor in cinema history. Well, Steven is going to remake it. God help us if he decides to show us the Rabbit, which we most certainly do not need to see.
I don't know about you, but this may actually take the record as the single most unnecessary remake in the history of remakes.
Harry
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Simple as that really. Why?
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as in, not at all.
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but hey its steven's world we just live in it
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that's why. Dude, just go ahead and bring back Amazing Stories. Go back to tv where you came from because the movie marketplace has drastically changed. (and not in a good way.)
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Spielberg's doing another Indiana Jones! Spielberg's doing a Matt Helm franchise! Spielberg's remaking Harvey! Spielberg's spending ten years in a warehouse doing a shot-for-shot stop-motion version of Lawrence of Arabia! C'mon, people, he's not really doing any of these. How much time does the man have?
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Is attached to approximately 28 projects at the moment, so I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. Always actually isn't that bad. It's not as bad as Hook, and it's nowhere near the tedium of Lost World or Indy 4. I'm not saying Always is a masterpiece or anything, but it gets trashed unnecessarily.
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It was based on a play, though it is worth noting, that I think the film improved on the play, at least the ending. I love the original film. A remake is unnecessary, but with the right actor, it could be at least enjoyable. I hope Steven doesn't update the story to modern times, and yes, if he shows a rabbit even once, even in a fantasy or dream sequence, the whole purpose of the story would be defeated. Also, this better not end up being a truly happy and whimsical tale. The whole point of the original is that Elwood is an alcoholic, and Harvey is supposedly a drunken hallucination. This is supposed to be a bit of a sad story. Here's hoping for the best.
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The made for TV remake back in '98 with Harry Anderson was awful. I thought, "if anyone could capture a sense of whimsy, it would be Harry Anderson." Nope. I was wrong. This is one of those properties where you leave well enough alone. If we see the fucking rabbit, I'm done with Spielberg for life. He could make Indiana Jones and the Swedish Lesbian Fitness Gurus and I wouldn't watch it.
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Aug 02, 2009 3:46:42 PM CDT
We must NOT see the rabbit, Steven! NO visible Rabbit!
by anything but tangerines
Don't rape my grampa's childhood! Don't you dare!!!!
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i'm glad i can watch my old eps of Outer Limts, Twilight Zone, X-files, etc. when the each to watch something new hits me. (yes, i use the word "new" with irony.)
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Go ahead and remake JAWS while you're at it! Hollywood is at an all-time LOW!
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no edit key and i look stooopid!
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Indy 4 sucked. He's making an Indy 5 and it better live up to Indy standards. And now this? This is shit.
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as the rabbit... which we will call a Jewbbit
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And now that fire is fading. what the fuck dude. between this and his supposed re-TAKE on oldboy, the sugarland express redo rumors and the god-awful mess that was indy 4. AHHHHHHH. Waste of talent my friend and you aint getting any younger. Give us a few more original orks before leave us for good. Seriously, please, I beg you.
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...state of the art, motion capture rabbit...raping your eyeballs as only a rabbit can.
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This remake everything agenda is seriously ruining cinema. So many great original scripts are going unmade. Jesus Christ, it's disgraceful.
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...does that mean I hate movies?
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that would kick ass
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If Steven does this, I'm moving to Somalia and joining the pirates. If you can't beat the rapists, you might as well join them.
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Really. I think I was eleven and everyone that I talk to from my generation and younger love it. It just seems this site and the talkbackers hate it.So. What's wrong with it?
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Jaws and Star Wars.
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...skateboarding is wrong with HOOK.
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... I feels like I can do what he really wants.
Surely Steven loves that film and what to bring it to the attention of a new audience and all those people who have not yet seen it...
Having said all this... it seems to me he should really give us INDY 5 -
Which is worse? Nipples or flames on an invisible rabbit?
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INDY 5 should be about the ancient egyptians. They only brushed it in the original movies, but it was a wasted opportunity. Instead of aliens in Indy 4, they could have had him trek all over the Middle East and North Africa in search of something religious and ancient, culminating in a journey into a huge labyrinth in the depths of a buried pyramid.
It's either that, or Noah's Ark.
How many of us would have preferred a quest for Noah's Ark instead of the aliens with the lightweight plastic skulls?
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Aug 02, 2009 4:06:46 PM CDT
Steven, just crawl into Lucas's throatsac and leave us alone
by chromedome
enough with the pointless remakes and sequelsbring original or bring nothing
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What's wrong with Hook is that it's actually about Hook (as the title implies) but it pretends to be about Peter Pan. So you get Robin Williams doing his best Manchild bit - while being very mean to his successor - the boy with the mohawk if I remember correctly. So you get a whole bunch of set pieces on a studioset that's very badly lit where everything just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. That and the skateboarding of course.
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Skateboarding was so much worse than the waterslides in Goonies?
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I've always thought they'd get around to remaking this, and Hanks would star.
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Aug 02, 2009 4:10:13 PM CDT
Psycho takes the cake for most unnecessary remake
by biffs_pleasure_paradise
But this is close.
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You know it'll happen. God help us.
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Starman?
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Aug 02, 2009 4:13:59 PM CDT
Maybe he'll combine it with Interstellar, Chocky, and Matt Helm
by fa_tass_dinomolester
A man on a spaceship embarks on adventures with his imaginary rabbit, which turns out to be an invisible alien, which he shoots in the head. End of movie.
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Project X?
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And balls to you, Harry, if you can't see it.
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Just sayin'.
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...at kid cool...cringe inducing. The same goes for Legolas in Two Towers.
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The Last Star Fighter?
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As for Harvey... who the goddamn fuck has seen that movie that isn't retired? You. And a handful of other movie geeks. Spielberg is making this for a new generation who don't watch black and white movies. It doesn't matter if the original was a perfect movie... most people alive today haven't and won't ever seen it.
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goes to:
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That's what Elwood P. Dowd used to say in the original and inimitable (well, it SHOULD be) film, in response to people who proposed having lunch together or paying him a visit. Note that I'm just quoting here. I'm not really all that interested in this film's upcoming release date. And I swear to god, if Spielberg casts Robin Williams, or Jim Carrey, or even worse, Will Ferrell as Elwood, I'll be screaming "Why! WHY~~!!" at the top of my keyboard.
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To be released in 2012.
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They did that already in Transformers 2
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I didn't think that Pan was mean. I do see your issue with the title. and sometimes, I like a set to look like a set. And Rufio was awesome and still is.Pan's kids, though, were annoying back then and still are.
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The Explorers?
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"Spielberg is making this for a new generation who don't watch black and white movies"...AKA Gibbering Useless Fucks! Well, they can have their "Jackass 3" and "Pirates 4"...
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Or at least I thought so when I was a kid. Haven't watched it in ages. C'mon, Hoffman as Captain Hook? Freakin sweet! Oh yeah fuck Spielberg, leave the classics alone.
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its one of those awesome catshit one rabbits... can you imagine?
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...instant unconsciousness. Sad but true.
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I enjoyed Hook very much and don't understand the hate for that film... at all. But, it is what it is. That said, Harvey is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I can't say I am excited about a remake. Why remake such a perfect movie?
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Harry I usually agree with you on everything but... cmon Hook was badass! That movie rocked me as a kid, it's still cool, and I don't know anyone who didn't like it. Julia Roberts's injected lips was lame but everone else was great (Hoffman was the man). Bad form!
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There is no need for a remake of HARVEY, regardless of the skill of the director.
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Not a great movie, but a good solid movie.
Hook would have been better without Robin Williams.
If he is going to do Harvey whether it is good or not will completely depend on who he casts as the lead. Pretty hard to follow anything Jimmy Stewart has done.
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Aug 02, 2009 4:22:10 PM CDT
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A HARVEY REMAKE.........DONNIE DARKO!!!
by carlthormark1978
With Berg at the helm it will be another sickeningly sentimental piece of tripe. Give it to David Lynch and watch peoples fucking heads explode!!!
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tie between the upcoming "Videodrome" and "Suspiria" remakes.
If ever two horror films were the product of their respective directors, it would be those two.
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i've got 3hrs50min17sec left before i gotta go to the doc and have my hard-on deflated.
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I thought it was going to be a pseudo Harvey remake, but as a horror film.To put it litely, after seeing DD I was confused with what I ended up watching.Of course, Speilberg could kill two birds with one stone and remake DD and Harvey into one film, and give me that horror-Harvey I've be expecting to see since 2001.
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I was thinking of the bald-headed kid, but that's Henry.
Anyway, I'm not interested.
Wait a sec. Isn't somebody doing a Bazooka Joe movie? -
That Basterds review before it's out on Bluray Harry.
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it was done as well as a Harvey movie can be. Steven must have been one of those kids that was ticked that he watched the whole movie without seeing a rabbit. Remake = Revenge.
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first time since i was a youngin, and i was pretty amazed that i still knew the "lewd crude rude bag of prechewed food dude" line. i was also impressed with how well it captured a midlife crisis as well as discussed how to move on. felt bad for the mom, tho. just sitting on that chair crying while everyones off having an adventure.
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When was the last time you tried to sit through it?
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Are you serious? Aside from the cast the original O11 isn't that special. The same could be said of the remake too, although it was fun enough.
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Aug 02, 2009 4:36:57 PM CDT
Harry no disrespect but are you still contributing to the site?
by thedark0knight
Im sure you are working hard but at the same time I feel like these past few months you've done nothing.
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Plus I can almost guarantee he'll do a bad job
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I remember reading about ten years ago that Travolta really wanted to do a remake of this and I think it was in development for a while. Anyone else remember? I doubt Steven would use Travolta. Hanks would certainly be an improvement by comparison. But I'd prefer someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman, Paul Giamatti, or if he wants to go prettier, someone like Hugh Jackman.
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Forget trying to cram his life into a 3 hour Oscar grab and do a 7 episode series. He can still direct it all himself--like the guy who directed John Adams.
Seriously, Spielberg started in TV, why not make a return trip to get back on top?
Beats the shit out of an invisible rabbit.
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...are piles of childish dog crap.
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Instead of moaning about remakes, everyone list whatever project it is that you're most looking forward to. Spill your cool news!
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Aww, ain't we cute? "I'm different! Look at me! I SAID I'M DIFFERENT AND EVERYONE SHOULD NOTICE IT SO I'M GONNA TRASH A GREAT MOVIE!"
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I'm surprised it took so long for someone to say it.
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The amount of self-indulgence and chaos in that film is still unparalleled. The practical and miniature FX work can stand up to CG Bayformers any day.
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Aug 02, 2009 4:48:39 PM CDT
HOOK WAS SPIELBERG’S MID-LIFE CRISIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY….
by carlthormark1978
The whole fucking thing was about a middle aged man regaining his lost innocence which was an obvious metaphor for how Spielberg was feeling about the hair around his shriveled, circumcised cock going gray. The Lost Boys were a bunch of fucking day-glow asswipes while it would be 12 years before Pirates of the Caribbean made Pirates cool again. The only thing the movie had was Dustin Hoffman who was a great Captain Hook. At least we got a proper adaptation in 2003. I’ve always wished that Spielberg had followed through with his original plan for Hook and casted Michael Jackson as Peter Pan. That would have been a psychosexual freakshow the likes of which would’ve had John Waters shooting his load all over the theatre!!!
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No, you can't? I didn't think so.
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Didn't that happen around 1983 or so? I don't think the guy is really an "ideas" man anyway.
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The guy who created Jaws, ET, Raiders, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's Lost? You people are fucked.
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has already been taken by Matt Reeves, who is so afraid of learning to read that he is remaking the best horror movie of the past five years or so, "Let the Right One In," simply so it can be in English one year later .. pathetic
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no need for this.
The guy is still a favorite of mine and I am interested in his projects because every so often Uncle Steve pulls out a MINORITY REPORT and blows my mind.
But I do miss the guy who wanted to have fun and had a sense of wonder about the world... the guy that made CLOSE ENCOUNTERS or ET or RAIDERS.
I say forget this HARVEY remake - we don't need it and it will be hard to improve on the original. I want to see what Uncle Steve will do with INTERSTELLAR.
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WHAAAAAAAAAAT!
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Aug 02, 2009 4:59:18 PM CDT
Hey, here's a hint. If you don't like it - don't see it
by lockesbrokenleg
I do that all the time!
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Surely Drop Dead Fred. Currently in production. Why? Why? Please someone tell me why?
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That would make a cool story! Hitler supposedly had it in his posession!
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and Harry Anderson
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are flawed but still pretty great.
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So I dont care
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I wonder if Speilberg's version will be a hybrid of the original crossed with Forbidden Planet? Or maybe crossed with the B&W Outer Limits' series "The Man With the Power". Then we can have an unstoppable Id Rabbit monster. Probably not, though.
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Aug 02, 2009 5:16:28 PM CDT
Spielberg picks project, checks AICN reaction, changes project
by ricarleite2
Does ANYONE still takes Spielberg seriously? He really destroyed his carreer. I imagine a sad clown picture everytime I hear about Spielberg.
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That's like, the climax. It's like, the whole point of the movie, is to eventually show the rabbit as evidence of his being real. To not show the rabbit would kind of be blasphemous to the original, so, Harry's kind of getting pissed about something he obviously hasn't seen or doesn't remember as a means of going on a soap box rant where he pretends to care about something no one cares about. And they'll totally Hanks this as he is 2nd most beloved film honky in history.
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Always was a great fuckin' movie! :P
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it starts with harvey, then Roger Rabbit 2, then a remake of Watership Down directed by Wes Anderson.
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You should read the screenplay before you critisize bitch!
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Harvey is one of my very favorite movies, but how can we really complain about it being remade? The original was made 60 years ago. Nobody under that age, minus film geeks like most of us, are familiar with it. It may be a perfect movie, but it's just another old movie that will never be seen by entire generations of people. Like all other remakes, it may or may not be good, and it will almost definitely not approach the quality of the original, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of remaking it.
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Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go to the taste store and buy some.
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I saw HOOK in the theater at the age of 5, and it blew my little mind. I fucking loved it and my brother and I had all the toys and everything. It made a huge impression on and my whole family. My dad still threatens to lock us in the boo box. My bro and sis and I nearly wore out the VHS tape. (Julia Roberts' Tink gave me a prepubescent stiffy every time!) If I'd have seen this for the first time as an adult it probably wouldn't be the same, but when I rewatch it as one I only find more to love as opposed to focusing on its flaws (OK, maybe one flaw: the little girls song. WTF? But we just fast forwarded through that as kids.) If ya feel me, put a crooked finger in the air and say it with me, "HOOK! HOOK! HOOK!"
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I wlll ALWAYS love HOOK!!!
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Make it a cross between Saving Private Ryan and Inglourious Basterds. Show the toons being drafted, put through boot camp and shoved into the meat grinder of Omaha beach. Show Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn raping a plump German fraulein before shooting her in the head, cutting out her eyes, pissing into her ocular cavities and then bricking into her mouth. At one point the toons torture captured Nazi’s while Roger is in the woods, jerking off while thinking of Jessica who is waiting at home. They find an abandoned hospital and while searching they discover the maternity ward with a dozen babies still alive. Roger looks to his fellow toons and says “let what must be done be done!” before they start stabbing the babies to death with their bayonet’s because the only good German baby is a dead one! Later that night they sit around a camp fire, eating the flesh from the infants they butchered only a few hours earlier while telling stories about what a dirty fucking whore Betty Boop is. At the end of the movie, the soldiers have gone fucking nuts, are raping and pillaging across Germany with insane abandon, living for every day as though it were their last. At the peak of their bloodlust they learn that the war is over. They go home. Some readjust reasonably well, others descend into alcoholism and drug addicting. Some live, others die whether by accident or by their own hands. Roger has gone home, had a baby with Jessica and settled into civilian life while working as an editor for a right wing news paper. One day at work Roger goes into the shitter with an old copy of an interracial porn mag he bought at a second hand book store called White Heat, Black Meat and thumbs through the issue which he notices was published while he was overseas. His eyes widen with blood red fury as he sees a picture of Jessica getting all of her holes getting fucked and filled with cum by three black toon crows with huge cocks. Roger runs out the stall without wiping his asshole and races in the car home where he kicks in the door and smashes an axe into Jessica’s head repeatedly until she is dead. Now feeling a sense of calm, Roger realizes that’s he’s hungry and the taste of murder has reawakened the memories of him and his fellow toons eating those delicious German babies over an open fire. Roger walks over to his son’s crib. He looks at the child for a moment before pulling out his old bayonet, rising it about his head and plunging it into the baby. THE END MADE IN HOLLYWOOD USA
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Say it aint so, Stevie!
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Those really sucked ass. He could rework Heroes. Go fix things that NEED fixin, man!!
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It's not like everyone who saw it saw it during its first theater run. Are you serious? Yeah we're a bunch of 60+ year olds in here.
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Watch it again with a fresh eye. I'd put the cinematography and pacing against any post 2000 Spielberg movie, any day of the week.
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Flame on...
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Bring everyone back, and then have them all get eaten.
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he has officially gone over into "i don't give a fuck anymore" territory and is just indulging whims. there will be CGI rabbits in this.
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Wait that was Ron Howard and George Lucas's Fault-and hook was that first robin Williams movie where the wheels came off-grimly foreshadowing Patch Adams and Death To Smoochy. sighs-This year is just bumming me out
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Aug 02, 2009 5:40:55 PM CDT
chances are, if you're under 30, you've never even heard
by jackknifed_juggernaut
of Harvey, and thus, will not care. i am. i haven't. i don't.
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The Article from Wrap made it clear it not a remake.
Here's the source:http://www.thewrap.com/article/spielberg-takes-harvey_4756
I guess Harry was too busy writing anoter one of his glib shit pieces to actually get his facts straight. Along with the rest of the internet. That's how you tell a news source that actually originates (or at least verifies) content from the miriad of other movie sites. Over 200 articles in the past two hours and not a drop of insight. Just noise and hatred. But I digress...
Here's the real point:
Don't second guess Spielberg. This MUST BE ONE HELL OF A SCRIPT for him to tackle it. He didn't originate the project. Fox did. They must have seen HELLUVA potential in this project to offer it to him as a directing vehicle.
And it's not about priorities either. The simple truth is that the script for "Lincoln" isn't finished. That is the only reason why the movie isn't in production. Instead of bitching you should be thankful that Spielberg isn't rushing it.
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In chronological order, Jaws, CEot3K, Raiders of the Lost Ark (my personal favorite of his), E.T., The Color Purple (I love it so fuck you!), Schindler’s List, Catch Me If You Can and Munich. Everything else is decent to mediocre to shit.
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It's not a remake, it's a REBOOT! Yeah that's what they are calling them these days... And BOY oh BOY does Harvey ever need a reboot, I'm tellin ya, the last one was just simply awful I tell ya, just awful.
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...until then my advice would have been "...settle down, Spielberg will find a way to make it cool..." But I can't settle down...because it still hurts to sit.
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No other choices, really.
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huh... no Saving Private Ryan or Minority Report? wow!
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Aug 02, 2009 5:58:24 PM CDT
jackknifed_juggernaut, WHAT A FUCKING STUPID COMMENT TO MAKE....
by carlthormark1978
So if you're under 30 then you wouldn’t have any interest in a movie like Harvey? Why not? Because it’s an old movie? Why do you even bother coming to this site then? Do you even have an interest in cinema beyond the crap that gets put out every year? I just don’t get that sort of thinking for someone who visits a site dedicated to movies. Anyone else find this attitude to be completely fucking retarded?
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Aug 02, 2009 6:00:59 PM CDT
I hope the shark eats Spielberg. Ya know reparations for JAWS
by yackbacker
"It's because of you, Spielberg, that people think we're just blood-hungry beasts!" NOM! NOM! NOM!
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Goddamn MTV braindead prick kids!
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Aug 02, 2009 6:02:25 PM CDT
Didn't Ted Turner "colorize" b/w films so the ignorant masses...
by chromedome
...that don't watch b/w "because it looks old" would watch?That was wildly successful--not.If they won't watch black and white, eff em. Don't remake stuff to cater to morons.
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..and I guess this isn't unique to Speilberg, the remakes are fine in their own right, but as a remake, their hard to swallow. I liked Always when I don't think about A Guy Named Joe, I bet I'll like Harvey.
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...and watched HARVEY recently and truly been entertained? And I'm not talking about Harry "watching" a movie while twittering and reading the manual for his new Blu-Ray player. And I'm not talking about watching it and taking a tequila shot every time Jimmy Stewart stutters either. I mean sit down for real and be entertained from start to finish. I love the idea of it, and I like to think of myself as the type of person who would love HARVEY...but if I'm honest it's just not much fun.
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it's not new - Jimmy stewart played the role twice in 1950 and in 1972 on film, then there was the 1998 version - i agree it seems a redundant idea - at least he's not remaking some lame tv series like the A team, TJ hooker, the dukes of hazzard like the rest of the major studios seem to be doing
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Splash. Wipe.
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Man, the guy has given you all some of the best geek films ever. Jaws. Close Encouters. ET. Minority Report. Indy 1-3. Duel. Jurassic Park. Schindler, Ryan, Munich. His throwaways, like Catch Me if You Can, are better than most directors best efforts, and if The Terminal was done on a small budget with up and coming actors it would have been an indie film smash. IF he never makes another great movie again who cares? After all he's done he deserves a blank check.
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Somebody is FINALLY remaking this movie!! It's long overdue. The original version is good, and all, but it's like... black and white... and old, or some junk. If there ever was a movie that needs to be updated, this is it. I'm seeing Jack Black as Harvey. Who's with me? Best of all... this will pave the way for Michael Bay's Casablanca.
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Fuck, I'm starting to loath Spielberg. That fucker is like Lucas: they both would've done their legacies some good if they'd retired 10 years ago.
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Aug 02, 2009 6:25:51 PM CDT
re-read what i typed. slowly if you must. i never said
by jackknifed_juggernaut
no one < 30 "wouldn't have any interest in a movie like Harvey." what i said was, chances are, if you fall into that age group, you've probably never even heard of/seen the movie. and as such, the fact that Spielberg is attempting a remake wouldn't faze you in the slightest. no "rapage of childhood," if you will. your grandfather's, perhaps... but not yours. so, um, yeah... thanks for playing!
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without someone wanting to fuck Michael Bey.
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Aug 02, 2009 6:37:54 PM CDT
Indiana Jones and the no fucking idea what's a good idea any mor
by bobman46
his lack of judgement has been a small blip on the radar in the past years but if he does this, then he's off my love list. I've forgiven him in the past for the crap ones but I didn't mind Always the one time I saw it while making out with my girlfriend about 15 years back. He had lucky curcumstances for my watching experience that may have led to me having better memories of it than it deserved.
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You act like the fact that this crap is being produced by Fox or being directed by Spielberg means anything. Indy 4 is proof that the latter doesn't matter.
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When did the world run out of new ideas?
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haha. I'd pay to see that shit.
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And that is all.
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6 astronauts go into space. While in space, the earth is destroyed. There doesn't have to be aliens, but I'm sure Spielberg would come up with something.
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He'll keep the Rabbit invisible. He isn't George Lucas. Thank your lucky stars Lucas isn't anywhere near this. I think the only reason he made Always was because he wanted to do a ww2 pic and didnt have access to anything like saving private ryan and he got to work with Audrey Hepburn. http://bit.ly/bsHhH It's probably like when Frank Oz got to work with Brando, DeNiro and Norton. Anyways, I would say the beard's had more hits than misses, so lets see what he does with it. I think it's unnecessary myself, but maybe he's got a nice twist on it or something.
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It's always mystified me how on its release everyone I know absolutely loved Hook. I know I must have rewatched hundreds of times. Even now, I consider it a really great kids film - the first half hour alone is incredibly atmostpheric and brilliantly done. Dustin Hoffman delivers one of his best performances, as does Bob Hoskins and Robin Williams definitely aint bad. Now, suddenly everyone frowns when you mention the film like it's 1941 or something. Hook is a really magical film - Spielberg sentimentality in the way only Spielberg can do.
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is phenomenal. One of his best.
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Aug 02, 2009 7:14:00 PM CDT
"he made Always was because he wanted to do a ww2 pic"
by thunderbolt ross
Do tell
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Right - the first half hour of Hook is spellbinding, even Spielberg himself said it was some of the best work he'd ever done. It goes downhill slightly when it hits Never Never Land but some of the staging by Spielberg is gobsmacking. Amazing to witness a master in the sandbox doing his thing.
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Beat me to the punch there kwisatzhaderach, but it bears repeating. Without it, I doubt I would have enjoyed the movie as much as I did as a kid. It was one of my first CD's, and I listened the hell out of it before I could get my hands on a VHS boot-leg copy of the movie (the only way to watch rentals in Peru at the time).
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Is a raging piece of shit..sorry. I remember hearing that spielberg was crying in his limo on the night of its premiere! I believe he knew it sucked...bad. Dustin Hoffman was apparently acting like an ego-maniacal douchebag during the entire shoot. Even driving steve from the set. And yes, skateboarding...
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Hook, anyone? THE TERMINAL (awful, awful)?! The Lost World, unwatchable shit. Always? Minority Report, extremely mediocre and overrated? Munich was his best work in a long time, but it was followed by Crystal Skull, which was really bleh.
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I guess if you like trashy, maudlin shit like that, it's like an IV drip of trashy, maudlin shit so you'll love it. But otherwise it is a tasteless piece of garbage. Raiders of the Lost Ark is where both Lucas and Spielberg ran out of gas. Spielberg has had some good movies since then but nothing like Jaws, Close Encounters or Raiders. Or even ET, which I'd say was Spielberg's final move from re-inventor to straight-up classicist. It's weird but I find a lot of Spielberg's later films to be soulless in a way. I wonder what happened.
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'Always' is a good film and is better than the original. Quit acting like a snob. From the same guy that endorsed "The Host"...
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I guess you missed "Schindler's List"...
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he really hasnt made a technically bad film...
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if you really havent liked any speilberg films since 81, then i feel sorry for you..really.i do.
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Are you shitting me? So if everything is "technically" good, that means it's a good movie? Eh, no. It just means it's well-crafted. It can still be shit, a la Hook.And no I didn't miss Schindler's List. I don't think Steve's heart is in it, frankly. It's a respectful and moving piece of academia, but I don't think there's much self-expression from the director there, and thus not a lot of soul.
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I didn't like any of them. I even threw ET in there which was 82. Are you going to be a difficult TBer?
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I didn't SAY I didn't like any of them.
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Aug 02, 2009 7:33:51 PM CDT
Codymr, I FIND SPR AND MINORITY REPORT LACKING SCRIPTWISE…..
by carlthormark1978
Both movies are technically masterful and the Berg clearly knows his shit. The problem I have is that both movies feel as though they could have used some script work. The problem with SPR is the same as a lot of Spielberg’s other movies in that it is comprised out of set pieces with one big idea but not a whole lot else going on. In SPR the whole premise was, is Ryan worth the lives of all those men? I’d say no because although his brothers were killed, the Army was ready to sacrifice the lives of those other men just for the good PR of getting Ryan home. Hanks’ and Co. only went along because they were ordered to and in the hope that it would get him a ticket home not that they were even promised that. A lot of good it did them as almost all of them were killed while Ryan got to go home and the Army patted itself on the back. Then there is the German soldier and the cowardly private. Hanks and Co. get into a big argument over what to do with the German soldier and what do these fucking morons do? They let him go where he no doubt told his command about them which probably led to the battle at the end which ended up getting almost everyone killed. What does Private Little Bitch do when he sees the German soldier? He shoots him. So what was Spielberg saying with the German soldier? That in a time of war it’s better to kill prisoners? Strange considering that Hanks seems to frown upon his fellow soldiers executing unarmed German’s after Omaha don’t you think? Overall the movie was a series of action scene’s with one or two very thin theme’s running throughout the story while never giving the movie any real weight. In comparison to The Big Red One, Saving Private Ryan just doesn’t hold up and the only thing it had going for it was its incredible battle scene’s which deserved to be in a movie that was better written. I’m a HUGE fan of Phillip K. Dick so I have no choice but to give Minority Report a fisting. This time it takes the fantastic premise of Dick’s original short story and, once again, Spielberg turns it into a movie made of technically superior set pieces barely held together by the theme of Free Will Vs. Destiny while giving John Anderton this bullshit back story of a missing child never mind that we never even find out what happened to the kid not to mention the laughable idea that a child could go missing in such a technologically superior era. They have eye scanners everywhere but no video surveillance at a PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL? Sorry but that shit doesn’t wash with me. This movie is like a lot of Spielberg’s in that it’s lacking in technical details. The Pre-cogs can predict murder, okay, so how much range does their vision have? Is it only Washington? How do they plan on implementing Pre-crime nation wide? Wouldn’t that involve cloning the pre-cogs and setting up pre-crime facilities in every city across the country? Just there I came up with some really good questions that could have led to some really interesting ideas that could have been sprinkled through the movie but instead Spielberg’s brain can only focus on the simple premise of Free Will Vs. Destiny which he even manages to fuck up, flying right in the face of the brilliant, cold, hard logic of the original story. In the original story, Anderton is accused of a murder that he has no intention of committing. He goes on the run and discovers that a military General is the one who has set him up in the hope that it will discredit pre-crime. Anderton breaks into the pre-cog chamber and learns about the “minority report” that proposes the question “what would you do if you discovered that you were going to commit a murder” leading Anderton to believe that he has been arresting innocent people. However, he learns that every murder predicted has a minority report because one of the pre-cogs, the female, is out of sink with the twins. This allows her to see a future where the person is given a choice but if the person would commit the murder either way then they have a majority report and Pre-Crime arrests them. Anderton learns that he has no minority report and that all three pre-cogs predict he will kill the General. Now knowing that Pre-crime does indeed work, Anderton decides that he must kill the General or Pre-Crime will be shut down. He kills the General and is given a suspended sentence to an off world colony. I haven’t read the story in a few years so some of the details are fuzzy but that is the jist of it. Dick’s story is so tightly constructed that had Spielberg expanded on it, while retaining the water tight logic, we could have had a Sci-fi masterpiece. But instead he gives us this bullshit ending where the pre-cogs see Anderton being shot to death by Max Von Sydow who ends up shooting himself instead which completely shits on everything we have seen over the last two hours including the fact that Anderton accidentally kills the man who he thinks abducted and murder his son. That part of the movie was brilliant in how the pre-cogs vision looked like Anderton deliberately murdered the man named Crow but the problem is that the death was accidental which creates all sorts of issues as they shouldn’t have seen the death since Anderton chose NOT TO murder Crow and thus shouldn’t have been registered by the pre-cogs as a murder in the first place. The movie spends so much time establishing the pre-cogs abilities while also showing them off during the chase with Anderton and the pre-cog Agatha that it’s a complete fucking cheat that they show Anderton being murdered by Sydow and then just has him kill himself. Bull. Shit. I think the reason that Spielberg and Cruise fucked with the pre-cogs logic is that their bleeding heart liberal sensibilities (and I FUCKING HATE saying that because I’m a lefty liberal type myself) couldn’t allow the idea that people were being arrested for crimes that they haven’t yet committed although they would have. So we end up with a stoopid fucking ending where Cruise and his Ex wife are now back together and she is expecting another child even though we still don’t know what happened to their first kid. The Pre-cogs are living together in a cabin in the middle of fucking nowhere which is convenient since the movie doesn’t have to explain how they live the rest of their lives. But most irritating is how Pre-crime is shut down and we don’t learn if the murder rate in D.C. skyrockets or even if that guy went back and killed his cheating wife. The problem with Hollywood adapting Phillip K. Dick is that they strip the premises of his stories to their core, uses them as the basis for action flicks while ignoring the intellectual and philosophical theme’s that run through his work. If you want a real PKD movie then you should watch A Scanner Darkly as it is the best adaptation of his work so far and perfectly captures his voice in ways that are beyond the simplistic comprehension of Steven Spielberg.
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Aug 02, 2009 7:34:32 PM CDT
Brando, DeNiro and Norton: Which of these names doesn't fit?
by thunderbolt ross
I'd say Brando cause he's another league altogether.
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Damn you oughtta be able to make some money off a post like that.
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That is all.
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What, Lincoln isn't ready? Nor the scifi film? Naaaah, I don't believe this story. Its like when Spielberg planned to do Memoirs of a Geisha next- it fell through and went to another director. I think the same will happen here.
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That is all. (and I like how HOOK is always capitalized, like JAWS and LOST).
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I certainly wasn't trying to mock you with my "That is all" quote immediately after yours. Your post hadn't even shown up on my page when I started typing my HOOK message.
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What's going on with that?
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now i know you're fucking nuts...
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I guess you don't subscribe the theory that the ending is possibly all a dream in Anderton's head while he sits in jail, eh?
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Moriarty, back in the day with his review, says the original script ended with a line by Anderton explaining how there were something like 70 murders in DC that year after Pre-Crime was shut down.
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Loved it ever since.
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the fact that the ending of minority report keeps us talking about it (like Total Recall) makes it interestinga nd good in my book.
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You can guarantee that either or both will be in this.
But the real question is why would SS want to go anywhere near an alltime great Jame Stewart movie.
SS cannot possibly come close to recapturing any magic with this project so why even bother its not like he can bring anything new to the story either.
So rather than make the films his audience wants (Interstellar & Indy 5) he decides on this!
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What the fuck is ShadowMaker talking about?
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True that.
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Based on a play... http://tinyurl.com/mjjxqn
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so it has a lot of nostalgic value for me. Now that I'm 30, it gets a little too sappy for me at certain moments, but the humor is still great.
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Aug 02, 2009 8:05:49 PM CDT
D.Vader, THAT'S OKAY, YOU LIKE HOOK, I DON'T BUT.....
by carlthormark1978
It’s because in 1991 (when I was 13) the idea of Steven Spielberg making a live action version of Peter Pan sounded fucking great and it killed me when I found out that he wasn’t so much doing an adaptation as using the basic concept of the story to make Robin William’s mid-life crisis manifest itself as latent homosexuality and pedophilia by hanging out with the Lost Boys who looked like they deliberately drop the soap in the shower. Also, my dislike for the movie could also stem from the fact that Terminator 2 was released during the same summer and satiated my thirst for destruction in ways that Hook never could. What did you think of the 2003 version of the story?
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Oops.
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...And I wanted to fucking stab somebody when I came out of the theater.
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Aug 02, 2009 8:09:50 PM CDT
D.Vader, IF TERRY GILLIAM MADE MINORITY REPORT THEN I WOULD....
by carlthormark1978
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I was in college and was taking a "Reading Children's Fiction" class, where I actually read Peter Pan and Peter in Kensington Gardens for the first time. Actually, let me back up to a few years before that, bc at the time I was taking the class, the new Peter Pan was close to being released. Before all that, though, I had wanted to in the future make my own live-action version of Peter Pan. When I heard PJ Hogan was doing it, I got very disappointed and ended up never seeing it. I was into Pirates back then (before the Depp movies) and really LOVED John Williams' score for HOOK and all its piratey themes. I even wrote some pirate stories for my creative writing classes. So in my mind, I had all these great ideas for a Pan film. And then Hogan beat me to it. I'll check it out some day. I loved the idea of Jason Isaacs as Hook. Didn't like the look of his new hook at all, however.
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Over the other. But I guess you could argue Spielberg did that with Minority Report's ending. I like to think its all a dream, and I certainly think there's plenty of evidence to support it, but its very subtle. Spiels doesn't really push it in your face that that's a very real possibility- something I'm sure Gilliam would have done.
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-has gotta be close too-
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Hanks would make this work, which is why I am sure Spielberg is doing it.
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"Hook" gave us Rufio, and merits its existence for that. Anything with Dreyfuss deserves some sort of attention...if only for his moustache alone. As for The Berg...his beard is coarser than that of Lucas' goat pubic whiskers. In that coarseness, the wisdom resides.
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JAWS- Terror Close Encounters of the Third Kind- Spirituality Raiders of the Lost Ark- Adventure E.T.- Love
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Aug 02, 2009 8:39:44 PM CDT
BurnHollywood, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHILDRENS MOVIE.....
by carlthormark1978
And a childish one is that in regards to the latter the moviemakers talk down to children as though they’re retarded while the former believes that kids can handle the ideas thrown at them without being condescended to. The Never Ending Story is a great children’s film although it deals with loss, pain and death in very real ways. Hook had none of that and was a cotton candy colored load of wank that didn’t move me in the slightest even when that Lost Boy was stabbed in the chest and died. But then I never liked most of the movies marketed to me as a child. Gremlins, Poltergeist, Ghostbusters, Beetlejuice, Return of the Killer Tomatoes and Elvira Mistress of the Dark are my idea of great children’s entertainment.
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Show Harveys father become a jedi. We all reeeeeally need to see his father turn to the dark side to better understand the original movie!!
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he's gonna star in this pile of shit and it'll be the third or fourth movie for him that rips away at least a part of everyones favorite childhood memories. Also, Shia or Hanks will PROBABLY play the guy that brings Elwood to the nuthouse and is in love with Elwoods sister.
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This film must not be made. Let Mr. Stewart's work stand, unobstructed by an inferior remake.
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Aug 02, 2009 8:45:48 PM CDT
D.Vader, THE HOOK DOES BLOW BUT THE MOVIE IS DECENT...
by carlthormark1978
P.J. Hogan did a good job and the movie looks great but it doesn't have the vision that someone like, say, Tim Burton would have brought to it. It feels like Stardust (2006) which, despite all the hype, felt just so bland that it barely kept my attention.
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What you described doesn't make any sense. But its war, and war isn't supposed to make sense. I don't think Spiels was saying it was right or wrong to let the German soldier go, to not kill a prisoner of war. I don't think he was saying it was right or wrong for Upham to shoot the same soldier at the end. To me, that was just war. It doesn't make sense. Some think the other soldier should die, some think he should live. Men live imperfectly in such situations. Upham had a massive failure on the stairs earlier and he sees the man he was instrumental in making sure walked free. So what happens? Anger takes over and he kills the guy. I don't think Spielberg was saying anything other than war is crazy and it makes you do crazy things. At least in those moments you describe.
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I didn't mean that your writing didn't make sense. I meant the scenes you describe appear to be contradictory in message, thus muddling what we think Spielberg was trying to tell the audience.
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Was a great score, something lush and beautiful and magical, like Williams did with HOOK. I've heard excerpts from the new Pan and I wasn't impressed. What did you think of the score?
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Aug 02, 2009 8:58:59 PM CDT
TOTAL RECALL HAD AMBIGUITY, MINORITY REPORT DIDN’T….
by carlthormark1978
Little hints that the events in Total Recall, post memory implant, might all be a dream are peppered throughout the movie so it’s left up to speculation. At no time in Minority Report was there even a hint that what was happening might not be real then there is also the fact that Spielberg has never been one for twist endings which is strange since it’s well known that he’s a fan of The Twilight Zone. I never even knew that there was a debate on whether or not the events in Minority Report, after Anderton’s arrest, were real nor do I believe that they weren’t because despite Spielberg’s rep for fantasy filmmaking, he’s never been one to play around with the nature of reality although it would have been fucking funny if the events in Hook really took place in Peter’s mind and were the result of a mental breakdown that he suffered from upon discovering that he subconsciously wants to rape young boys.
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and he keeps choosing remakes. He doesn't need to have new ideas. He needs to buy someone else's new idea. That's all. It's just really disappointing.
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I pay very careful attention to those with Bernard Herrmann, Jerry Goldsmith and Howard Shore being my favorite composers. I'd also like to give a special shout out to John Harrison's beautiful score for Creepshow.
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...considering that Spielberg is a billionaire and should just go ahead and buy somebody's really good script and shoot that, or hell, adapt one of his favorite novels, instead of doing some remake.
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So I don't care.
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I have a very clear memory of discussing Minority Report's ending with someone who argued the same points you did (minus the Total Recall reference). Despite that, however, I DO think there are some hints that the ending is all a dream. Two very specific ones. The first one comes from the discussion early on in the movie that everyone who is in jail dreams. I don't recall if Tim Blake Nelson implied they were good dreams or not, or perhaps he said he'd like to think they were all living their own personal fantasies. The second clue, for me, is that when Anderton is in jail, Spielberg does one of his trademark push-in camera movements to Anderton as he sits in his technology induced dream state. To me, that signals the move away from reality and into Anderton's mind. Its immediately after this scene that Anderton's wife goes to Sydow and puts the entire conspiratorial puzzle together and realizes he was behind it. She's then able to break into Pre-Crime (huh?) and bust Anderton out of jail, allowing Anderton to overthrow Sydow's plans and live happily ever after with his wife and a new child and a new beginning on the way. Basically, a bleak film suddenly becomes very optimistic once Anderton goes to jail and "dreams". Not many hints, only 2, but that's all I can remember off the top of my head. What's funny is that in all the years I've seen Total Recall, I don't think it ever occurred to me that the whole thing could be a memory implant until this year. PS: Your twist idea for HOOK is brilliant.
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They're like best friends these days.
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There is one way to make a remake worth watching: don't change a goddamn word, and cast Morgan Freeman as Elwood P. Dowd.
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Aug 02, 2009 9:19:46 PM CDT
Make HARVEY real and Jimmy Stewart imaginary! Brilliant!
by yotzvonfrelnik
Like Hell! I agree Harry, nothing good could come from this but money. But doesn't that sound like a typical studio idea they could actually consider?
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Psycho. No question.
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Everything else was at best a solid flick...Munich was good but not great, Indiana Jones sucked gorilla cock in hell, War of the Worlds was a big fucking mess, The Terminal was dull and forgettable, Catch Me If You Can was good but good but forgettable, Minority Report took a good PDK short story, stretched it out beyond recognition, missed the entire fucking point and basically shit all over it resulting in huge hackish Ad filled craptacular that seemed made by someone who actually never got PDK and just pretended to because they didn't want to look stupid, and A.I. was a horrible crapfest as well...the fucking robot thunderdome was embarassingly bad and the Robin Williams as the Einstein CGI was one of the most annoying fucking things I've seen in a movie in some time, plus WHY DESIGN AN INFORMATION KIOSK TO WORK IN SUCH AN ARCANE WAY?!?!? IT MADE NO FUCKING SENSE IN A MOVIE MADE UP OF THINGS THAT MADE NO FUCKING SENSE!!!! The fact that huge shitpile will always be associated with Kubrick is a goddamn fucking joke. The man is like his buddy Lucas...he grew up and lost his magice just like Peter Pan in Hook. He hasn't been artistically relevant in years. I can't recall the last time I was looking forward to one of his films...oh yeah, Saving Private Ryan.
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I figure at least half the population of the U.S. under 40 has never even HEARD of Harvey. If it were up to me we'd just put the old version back in theaters and tell Spielberg to get the fuck out of here.
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The idea that war is madness and that Spielberg might have been trying to reflect that but I think that it just gives the Berg a handy excuse to ignore the themes and dilemmas that he goes out of his way to establish throughout the movie when it’s convenient for him just like he does in regards to the pre-cogs of Minority Report and their abilities. If you haven’t, I would HIGHLY recommend reading Easy Riders and Raging Bulls as it gives, IMHO, the clearest insight into Spielberg’s mind. He, just like George Lucas, was raised on television nor was he ever the most literate person and comes off as having a severe case of arrested development while his movies have always been high concept and lacking in the complexity of, say, Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola’s work. The most telling quote is how he “likes idea’s that can fit in the palm of his hand” when someone asked him about the type of movies he makes signifying that he’s not a complex person capable of the type of ambiguity that he would need to have been able to thread the idea of “war as madness” throughout the structure of Saving Private Ryan’s script which had multiple writers working on it at any given time signifying that the inconsistencies of that movie are a result of a chaotic production as opposed to some sort of master plan.
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Like, in a few hours! To the online book depository!
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but still not very good.
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Though neither are great. At least Munich didn't cheese it up like SPR. Plus it had Spielberg's greatest sex scene.
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Usually it's bad because they are adults' versions of what kids like, instead of kids' version. This is also why with many toys little kids will rather play with the packaging; the toy itself appeals to adults' casual ideas of what children like, not an actual intelligent insight.Of course sometimes kids like that crap too. Blind squirrel, etc
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... wasn't this topic covered quite well in both Donnie Darko and Sexy Beast?
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he's talented and there's no room for improvement. he probably doesn't have a lot of movies left in him this seems like a huge waste of time. remakes are almost always stupid.
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so its good...AI is great, probably the most fucked up ending of all his films...basically a robot boy wants to sleep with his mother..has her created to live for a day in order to do this...
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I'm racking my brain trying to think where else, other than Ridley Scott's recent filmography, her golden larynx has graced a soundtrack.
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Yup. I know I'm in the minority. But A GUY NAMED JOE was no untouchable masterpiece, and there was enough in that movie that I really enjoyed it. Great effects, music, and sentimentality. I prefer it to dreck like CATCH ME and THE TERMINAL. And, no, HARVEY is not some untouchable masterpiece. It's essentially about a guy with a drinking problem. How're they gonna handle that and make it whimsical?
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Aug 02, 2009 10:09:58 PM CDT
I'm your pilot, Claude Raines, co-pilot, Harvey the rabbit
by nasty in the pasty
Seriously, Steve...give us another Munich.
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That's one of the best things Spielberg has done in ages. That movie is a blast from beginning to end and it looks like Dicaprio and Hanks are having a ball the whole time.
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Remakes suck.
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C'mon steve, I'm sure you can make it better with digital effects and Jude Law.
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Jesus Christ. That movie is wonderfully filmed and the acting is superb from everyone involved. It's a REAL movie that relies on acting and gets inside the heads of its characters.
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Mr. Spielberg, you can do this. Here's the pitch: Tom Hanks in a kafiya. And digital effects.
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-A.I.: B+-Minority Report: A-Catch Me If You Can: A-The Terminal: BWar Of The Worlds: A-Munich: AIndy 4: B
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Aug 02, 2009 10:22:29 PM CDT
Anyone who says Spielberg has "lost it" is a fucking idiot
by nasty in the pasty
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of the original film. This is going to be based on the play and I'm sure they are going somewhere different with it.
King Kong is a much more famous, popular film than Harvey and PJ remade it, very faithfully, and yet it was great. Spielberg is one of the greats, too, so let's see what he does. -
HARVEY the film is almost for word, the same as the play. If the movie has a flaw, it's shot somewhat stagey. Like the play. Saying, 'well, technically they're remaking the *play*' is a weak argument.
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(Pardon the pun)... is when Dreyfuss has to watch the guy he's now guarding start hooking up with his wife. That shit's painful.
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I'd actually switch the grades you gave War of the Worlds and A.I.
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WOTW is a more unified piece, and one that's unfairly maligned (bullshit "son surviving" ending aside).
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Had it remained an homage to the end of "The Searchers" and no one came out to greet and thank Tom Cruise.
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Aug 02, 2009 10:46:01 PM CDT
D.Vader, WE’VE NEVER DISCUSSED MINORITY REPORT BEFORE….
by carlthormark1978
Tim Blake Nelson’s comment about the prisoners brain activity isn’t a clear indication that they are living in some dream state where they are living their lives, unaware of their confinement, although that would have been a fantastic idea as it would have perfectly tied into the overarching theme about the nature of reality that is present in most of Phillip K. Dick’s work. But this is Spielberg and I still don’t think that he’s interested in such a concept nor do I believe that he is a capable enough filmmaker to have pulled off what you are suggesting as it would require a level of subtlety that I have found lacking in his work. The problem is that there is no indication that Anderton may be living in a dream world, apart from the moment you site as an example where the camera pushes in on Anderton’s face while he’s in stasis and I really don’t think that’s strong enough evidence to back up your theory. As I said, with Total Recall, they kept throwing hints at the audience that Quaid might be living in a dream but there is nothing as obvious in Minority Report which, to me, suggests that we have to take everything at surface value which is indicative of Spielberg’s style as I doubt that he would make such suggestions so understated so as to not even register. I also don’t buy your assumptions that the narrative shift towards Anderton’s wife signifies that we are now seeing a dream induced hallucination. I think that’s merely a result of Spielberg trying to twist the story into a happy ending by having Anderton’s wife save the day thus showing that she still loves him enough to ask Sydow those question and risk her life to save him nor is anything that happens (her breaking into pre-crime) any more ridiculous then anything else that has happened up to that point. I believe the reason you think that Anderton was dreaming is because modern day movie audiences have seen almost every twist and turn that can be imagined and we immediately suspect that “is it all just a dream?” because we’ve seen that narrative curveball so many times that our cynical minds immediately suspect it, especially in Sci-fi and Horror movies. Don’t take offense to that as it is a sign that you’re savvy enough to consider all possibilities although you have to admit that it sucks that we can guess the twists of most movies even from watching the goddamn trailers. I don’t know about you but I can’t remember the last time a movie genuinely surprised me. A question you have to consider is why does Spielberg put Anderton into stasis in the first place when he could have easily had Anderton solve the mystery and bring Sydow to justice without involving his ex-wife? It’s because Spielberg, along with many other directors, has a habit of using repetition in his movies where something that is said, or happens, is later repeated in an ironic way because he perceives it to be clever. It isn’t. Spielberg has Anderton arrested and “haloed” because it’s an ironic twist on the scene from the very beginning of the movie where Anderton, still acting under his unquestionable belief in Pre-Crime, arrested the husband who caught his wife cheating on him with another man and was about to murder the two of them. I think Spielberg wanted the audience to see character of Anderton taste the same fear of every single person that he ever charged with a murder that they never committed. But by doing this the Berg put himself into a narrative corner which is why Anderton’s ex-wife had to take over as the protagonist, otherwise the movie would have logically ended with Anderton in stasis for the rest of his life and Spielberg has always shown that he is allergic to such downbeat endings unless he can put a nice little uplifting ribbon on it like he did at the end of Saving Private Ryan by showing geriatric Ryan at Tom Hanks grave. Final note, the only point of putting in a twist like the one that you are proposing is to get a reaction out of the audience, otherwise what is the point of doing so in the first place? Knowing that, why would Steven Spielberg bother to use one in Minority Report if he wasn’t going to spell it out with all the lack of subtlety that he has clearly demonstrated throughout his career?
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...except for the cop out ending of course. Before that? I was on the edge of my seat. I also loved the little homage shots to King Kong and Godzilla.
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Good list. I would agree with most of what you have noted, except Terminal, which I would knock down to a C or D. Other than some nifty camera work, and a good cast of character actors, I thought it was a fairly average "quirky romance." I expect more from the beard.
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Totally destroyed the ending of that movie as the other 90% was distinctive in that it lacked a musical score only to have this overwrought wailing cunt screeching over the ending to drive home how nihilistic it was with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the nuts. Silent Hill also had the EWB but it also has Lovcraftian monsters in a clouded environment.
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...A bunch of old film-makers remaking every classic there is while trying to put a 3-D "twist" to it. They might not show the rabbit, but, they'll somehow use 3-D to make it "appear" so we, the audience, know for sure Stewart's character isn't delusional. Thus, making the exsistence of the movie totally be for some social and/or political theme; "Harvey represents ____". Or, it'll just be yet another addition to the growing trend in movies to make men (especially American men) out to be nothing more then grown man-children. They'll cast Will Ferrell and have him do his man-child schtick; "Awww, men are so cute! He thinks there's a giant rabbit!" Then, they'll cast some beautiful actress to act as his "mother-type" friend (She'll probably be a shrink that's assigned to him) and she'll fall in love with his childlike innocence, etc.
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The whole point of Minority Report the film is that the pre-cog system was flawed -- thus it must be dismantled, as they did in the end. Anderton murdering the man by accident, not be intention (*after* his watch expired, thus negating the time aspect of the pre-cogs) and Sydow's set-up using the echo...both showed failures of the system. Which was Anderton's character arc...to realize the system that he had dedicated his life to, following his son's death, was not perfect (and his emotional arc was to realize that he was incapable of bringing back his son or ever finding the truth, and thus being able to get back with his wife). And whoever said the script was flawed is an idiot, it was a freaking brilliant noir thriller set in a sci-fi world (and written by great writers like Scott Frank). And as far as departing from the Phillip K. Dick short story -- have you read any of his short stories? The CONCEPTS are great, the writing is AWFUL. I haven't read A Scanner Darkly, maybe that's better, but I agree that Linklater's film kicked butt...but only because the ending saved what was previously an almost unwatchable bore-fest. It's probably the only time I've ever seen an ending hit so hard as to make a shitty film great. Them's my opines.
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two bombs in a row for the 'Berg?
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At the end when we see Hook without his wig on,the place fell silent.
Then we could hear a wee boy say,"Is that Sean Connery mum?".
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now that Spielberg wants to do a remake. Goes to show there's no originality left in the biz. Do everyone a favor, Mr. Spielberg, make the 27th ww2 movie you were getting yourself and Tom Hanks worked up about and call it an Oscar.
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hey, maybe Spielberg will only produce and he'll let the genius Michael Bay take the reigns. We can only hope and look forward to the eventual Vern review.
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...are considered to have good judgement in my book.
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after indy 4, after even contemplating to remake oldboy, after thinking of doing a bourne wannabe with matt helm, and now this, another remake... please just stop making movies. thank you for all your past glory, now please kindly retire. what we need now is more new blood with new creative ideas. we have thirst and district 9 to look forward too. we sure as hell do not need another remake, especially from the guy who last gave us indy 4.
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Jimmy Stewart even reprised his famous role for it. So this news hardly represents "the most unnecessary remake" of recent years. Psycho and The Day The Earth Stood Still are two more glaring examples of a Universal remake no one asked for. It's also not as though Harvey is untouchable. It frequently betrays its stage origins and is no longer as commonplace as, say, Stewart's It's A Wonderful Life. As for the attempts here to portray Elwood P. Dowd as some dark, edgy character- that's just absurd. The film hardly attempts to portray him as a troubled alcoholic- or even mentally challenged. The final scene clearly destroys any ambiguity as to whether or not "Harvey" is real. If Spielberg attempts that same ending, I'm sure it will be criticized for ruining the mystery.
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War of the Worlds was the one thst sucked.
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idea with Will Smith can suck my cock. Your cock, too.
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felt like a fucking episode of 'Sesame Street.'
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Don't we deserve it for sitting through The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3? Get Neill, Goldblum and Dern all back and dump Janusz Kaminski - he's the reason Spielberg's movies haven't looked right since the first JP.
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I mean, I'VE never seen the original. Call me a swine, whatever. But to me it'd be new. Although, I did see the play once.
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Just no.Time to retire, Steve. Go play some golf, trim your beard...whatever, but just go.
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Anyone else want to see Wayne Pygram dressed as Scorpius with the addition of bunny ears play the rabbit if it is shown at all?
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There's not much in it, chap.Actually, now I come to think of it, you're quite right. At least Indy 4 didn't have a T-Rex sailing itself into harbour so it could go on a pointless wander round a night-time city simply because Steven saw Godzilla and fancied some suburban dino-action of his own.The more I think about this man and his recent crop of crap (AI, the tacked on happy ending of Minority Report, the end of War of the Worlds when his kid shows up totally unharmed at Granny's house despite last being seen heading over a hill followed by a wall of fire and flying tanks - Jee-zus!), the more I think it's time he knocked it on the head...
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come on steven...have some fucking balls shit all over the greatest piece of film ever made
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Or wait 2 years so that Shia will be 25 like Welles was when he made Kane. It'll be a fair fight that way.
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Always, Hook, and The Lost World are weaker entries in Spielberg's filmography, but they're far from bad movies compared to the drivel that pollutes theaters these days.
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Right (although I think 1941 is a lot of fun). Take a look at the scene from The Lost World where Julianne Moore is lying on the cracking glass...seen anything like that in recent'blockbusters'?
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Give us something REALLY worth looking forward to Steven, something with AMAZING visuals as only you know how. Something like 'INTERSTELLAR' perhaps, but ANYTHING rather than a lacklustre project like this, which frankly ANY lesser talented director is capable of putting up on screen. Marshall your energies for the BIG spectacular projects that you used to be so good at, no matter what they be from hereonin....rather than mere 'whimsey' like this. One is bound to be a good 'un after your certain missfires. I have faith, even though INDY 4 turned out disasterous. The only damned 'flick' I'd be interested to see you involved with would be a 'ROGER RABBIT' follow-up!
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What made me laugh was that not only did the son survive running off into a huge wall of fire,he actually made better time afterward than Tom Cruise did! And why Spielberg felt the need to pollute that stoy with yet another 'absent father' theme is beyond me. Change the record Steve!
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is if this is a reinterpretation of HARVEY, the way HOOK was a reinterpretation of Peter Pan?
HARVEY 2: BACK IN ACTION starring a CGI Jimmy Stewart.
After what they did with Schwarzenegger/Kickinger in T4, you know you want it. -
Wait a second.
People on here are despicably saying the guy should retire???
Arguably the greatest director of all time
Hasn't made anything worthy since Schindler's List??
How about Munich, Minority Report, Catch Me if You Can, Amistad, AI. All pretty great movies.
Crystal Skull and War of the Worlds were a lot of fun too.
Seriously, don't make me laugh. The guy is still a class act and I look forward to seeing what he does with Harvey. -
Naw... we don't want him to retire, but Uncle Steve ain't getting any younger. He has what maybe 10 more films in him if we are lucky before he goes and meets his maker?
At least for me (I don't want to put words in the mouth of others on this talkback) his talents are so amazing and I hold many of Uncle Steve's work so close that I'd rather see him do work that is strikingly original. I am sure HARVEY will be at least OK and maybe even superb. But the Stewart version is already superb. Bring on LINCOLN or INTERSTELLAR or TINTIN... and do it in a way that only he (or perhaps Cameron) can... because one day, sooner rather than later, there will be no more Steven Spielberg films. -
Aug 03, 2009 6:43:02 AM CDT
Remember when Moriarty said the Coens should retire after Ladyki
by nasty in the pasty
Their next movie...? No Country For Old Men.It's a MASSIVE tool move to claim a favorite director "should retire" after they make a disappointing movie (and Ladykillers was actually pretty damn funny. I think it was only because Hanks was in it that Coenheads complained). Crystal Skull had plenty of flaws (and it made the already slapsticky Last Crusade look as sober as Schindler's List), but goddammit, it had Harrison Ford back in the Hat. It was NOT a "terrible" film, and I while can understand many complaints (Shia, the Kaminski photography, overreliance on CGI, some REALLY lame comic bits here are there), any true Spielberg fan shouldn't be howling for the Beard to "retire". Indy 4 was always a crazy carrot dangled in front of fans whenever Spielberg would make one of his AWESOME "adult" films like SPR, Munich, ect., so don't blame the man for not being especially "hungry" about the film. He did probably the best post-80's Indy film that could be made with a creaky, 65-year-old Ford. Let it GO, people.
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FIX THAT SHIT HARRY
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Lots of boring stuff to come from Spielberg in the next years. A Rabbit nobody else can see? Maybe if he gives it a Donnie Darko twist, which I doubt. Tintin... who cares? Oldboy with Will Smith? Meh. Lincoln? Maybe thats more interesting for Americans than it is for me. A least that Interstellar thing could turn out to be interesting.
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they can keep it.
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And most of them (though not all)have been in the last 15 years. This will be his - what? - third planned re-make after Oldboy and Ghost in the Shell? His dramatic films are still always interesting; his popcorn fare always feels phoned-in now, with a few, occasional flashes of genius for the dedicated to spot.Minority Report did indeed have its ending chopped off - a title card was supposed to come up saying that the crime-rate had risen 100% since the pre-crime dept. had been shut down. Spielberg cut it out at the last minute, spoiling a deliciously ironic and ambiguous ending. Instead, we got pre-cogs in cashmere sweaters sitting around the fire and playing scrabble. The whole third act of Minority Report is dire anyway, coming off as a sci-fi re-play of LA Confidential. Clearly Spielberg wanted to emulate the twists and double-crosses of noir fare like The Maltese Falcon, but it comes off as crushingly obvious and boring. A much better ending that would have served the theme of the movie, would be having Cruise confront the killer of his son (who IS the killer in this version, and not a patsy), and painfully deciding to abide the law and take him into custody at the last minute instead of shooting him. Then, because he does this, instead of the supposed 100% success rate of crime prediction coming to pass, it ironically proves that pre-crime is not an effective barometer for predicting murders and the programme is subsequently shut down. Then of course, we get an onscreen legend saying that the next year's crime rates have sky-rocketed exponentially. FIN. That would have saved us the banal final 30 mins, as well as being truer to the themes of the story, the kernel of which is in the scene where Farrel's character tells Cruise's that he caught the ball because he 'knew' it would fall. Physical properties can be scientifically predicted, not human behaviour, or are we all just 'clockwork oranges' driven to predictable actions by primal emotions, psychological cruxes, and habits? (and of course, there is always the irony of whether Cruise would ever have followed all these backwards leads to find the killer if he hadn't been convicted of a murder in the first place). Quite what Sydow's character killing a mother of a psychic to preserve the legitimacy of his pre-crime system has to do with the main story, I have absolutely no idea. That always seemed like a ridiculous adjunct, a very uncompelling twist tacked onto the thing by Spielberg, just so he could emulate the classic film noir movies that he grew up watching.
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There are 80 rumored films that Spielberg is supposed to direct, it's always speculation til he announces his next project so the best thing is to wait until HE says it.
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Sounds stupid!
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Aug 03, 2009 9:00:56 AM CDT
MAYBE HE'S TESTING THE AICN WATERS TO SEE WHAT WE THINK
by bringingsexyback
Thumbs down Beard! Make Jurassic Park 5 instead, with lots of marine combat and shit!
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please tell me you saw ATLANTA!!!there was a meeting with a party coordiantor that went off the rails...i was astounded.
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I think TurdontheRun is on to something *snicker*. No seriously. When Spielberg split off his "serious" films from his "popcorn" movies something died within him. Instead of investing one movie with all the fantasy AND emotion he parceled out each to its own movie. Everything suffered as a result. The popcorn movies lacked emotion and the serious movies had contrived emotion: "And here is my serious, emotionally affecting film - really!"
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That's a complete cop-out. How about re-releasing a restored print of the original in theaters, or playing the original on television on a station other than TCM? Or -- and this is REALLY going out on a limb here! -- or, howsabout JUST MAKING A BRAND-NEW FUCKING MOVIE AND LEAVING HARVEY ALONE ALTOGETHER?!? If they're so goddamn worried about the kids never watching the original film, there clearly isn't an audience for it, anyway, right?!? So make something new and original. Times must be pretty bad when a guy like Spielberg has to fill his slate with remakes, biopics and European cartoon adaptations. There used to be a point in history when he was actually making the myths. Now, he's just trying to prove he has as much lead in his pencil as the new kids.
As for the "color remake for the kids who won't watch the original, 'boring' movie", what's next? Are they going to go back to Bram Stoker's original text for "Dracula" and insert Bella Swan and Edward Cullen to make it hip for today's youth? Either American pop culture will implode, thanks to some greedy Hollywood/MTV executive fucks, or we really will be living in IDIOCRASY times and this time next year, we'll all be watching ASS. -
Aug 03, 2009 9:08:30 AM CDT
Memo to Spielberg make films fans wan t- JP4 or another Indy f
by j2talk
not this POS, that NOBODY is lining up to see
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Was away this weekend ... but did catch True Blood last night. Which is kinda like Real Housewives if you think about it ...
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didn't he follow up with Temple of Doom and batteries not included? Hardly earth-shaking material.
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Aug 03, 2009 9:16:30 AM CDT
SPIELBERG SHOULD DIRECT GOONIES 2: THE RISE OF ONE-EYED WILLY
by bringingsexyback
The time is NOW!
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I think Spielberg stopped making "great" movies after THE COLOR PURPLE (with one vital exception, see below), where he got snubbed for the Oscar. If you look over his filmography after that, the process just seemed to stop being fun for him, and he somehow turned into Ron Howard, where every film he did (and still does, to a vast degree), was a serious event where kids were just not welcome, anymore. It actually got a lot worse after SCHINDLER'S LIST, whether due to his own guilt or his feeling of having to be a "serious" filmmaker with "important messages to make".
The one exception to this, of course, was JURASSIC PARK, and I think audiences responded to it as well as they did because it was old-school, JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS Spielberg having a huge blast making a movie for everybody -- you know, the stuff that put him in the position of power he was actually in. Then, he went right back to making a series of bleached-out "serious" movies again. I'll grant that SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was an almost flawless WWII movie (except for those goddamn first and last five minutes, can't he just trust the audience one time to have feelings on their own?), MUNICH was a solid Seventies'-style political thriller (except for that last, "gotta-push-your-button" shot in front of the WTC) and A.I. was a decent Kubrick imitation, except for those last, shameless audience-manipulating ten minutes, which is something Kubrick would NEVER have stooped to doing. Seeing a pattern here?
Anyway, I actually refused to see INDY IV, between the bad taste Lucas has repeatedly left in my mouth for the last twelve or so years (since the augmented STAR WARS trilogy was re-released into theaters) and the fact that there is virtually no trace of the accomplished film artist that made RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK such a great film in Spielberg. WAR OF THE WORLDS got bogged down in Tom Cruise and too much dumb plotting ... so did MINORITY REPORT. THE TERMINAL and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN would have been great Spielberg movies, if they'd been made after SUGARLAND EXPRESS. If Spielberg has to make every movie he directs into a button-pushing endurance test (as opposed to a "button-pushing funhouse ride that actually makes you glad you blew movie to see it in a theater", which is what he built his career on), I'll pass. Not that he needs my goddamn money or permission. -
Followed by ET and Jaws. Jurassic Park 1 and 2 would be great except for the Goldblum Factor. He ruins both movies.
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Is it worth renting?
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Cuz Jeff Goldblum was nowhere in it.
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Get Cruise in and then you'll have done a hatrick of shit films together. And lots of CGI rabbits, and some badgers. And set it on the moon. If you're gonna go down, go down in flames!!!
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...in a way. To me, Spielberg is always at his best when something serious is on the line within the movie- life, limb, liberty, etc...
None of these are really present in Harvey (does anyone really think Elwood is going to be committed?)
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And make it about a lonely, fat, middle-aged guy who stills lives with his parents and who runs a website about movies. He also has an invisible, imaginary girlfriend named Yoko. Hilarity ensues!
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Wasnt he also plannin a remake of Ikiru? thank fuck didnt happen ...yet
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that was in the origianl draft. it wasnt speilbergs at ALL. you cant have your cake and eat it too...people who are sick off "serios steven" and then decry his "fun" filmmaking adventures that are JP2 and INDY4.i by the way, for the record am against remaking Harvey.
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Perish the thought!
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says it on the back of dvd of it i have,one of his fav movies that he plans to remake,so goes the blurb.
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It was the ending Kubrick ALWAYS intended to have. Now that you've been educated, please refrain from perpetuating this false idea that the last ten minutes were all Spielberg's idea.
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if he even trys that.
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Just don't don't do it, Beardo.
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Pullin his whiskers out with yah
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I don't buy it. I suggest you don't either, BSB.
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Ive got it on dvd right here
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Wow, even the great Stephen Speilberg is out of good ideas. I'd rather he do this than another Indiana Jones movie.
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Aug 03, 2009 11:15:53 AM CDT
i have a problem with people who dont like LOST WORLD...
by six demon bag
but love all over JP...the action is better, the characters are better, the score is percussive and rousing, the set pieces are better, the performances are better, the effects are better, the pacing is better...in JP2
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bergs jumped the shark with his career. what the hell is up with him and lucas are they having acid flashbacks are something. Scorcese keeps cranking out the hits and these two keep striking out. we temporarily had berg back after munich but then quickly lost him again. the crappy state of the movie business is just dragging everyone down with it.
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i keep hearing out of the rumor mill. whatever happened to that fat kid anyway?
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And it doesn't say anything about Spielberg remaking it. Perhaps you've got an old copy when that was just an idea in the ether?
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I love JP, but TLW is really better made in nearly every way. People just hate on TLW because they're group-think sheep-like lemming-looming schmoops!
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Ru-fi-OH!
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I think this was printed in PREMIERE Magazine back in the day. Anyway, they're having a bad day on the set and at some point hoping to defuse the tension Robin Williams looks directly into the camera and says "Someone Please Help Me! I was in POPEYE and THE SURVIVORS."And Dustin Hoffman said "What are you complaining about? I'm the guy who made ISHTAR and FAMILY BUSINESS."And Spielberg leaps into the scene and says "And I directed 1941!"Robin Williams shakes his head, muttering "Oh God."I wonder if that clip is on YouTube somewhere...
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Aug 03, 2009 11:35:01 AM CDT
where are people getting the HOOK pedophilia thing from?
by six demon bag
really makes me wonder about the poster...
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its basically YOUR fault that they folded and made the film..for you fucking ungrateful whiny fanboys...i think they made it so "you people" would stop pestering them every time theyre out shopping or on the red carpet...the same reason why we will see GHOSTBUSTERS 3 and ROGER RABBIT 2, some fanboy or reporter baits them into asking them, "so when are we gonna see..."your fucking fault.own it. end of line.and im out.
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im sure there are flaws but as a whole, they can be overlooked becuase he is such a great craftsman and storyteller.
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I'm sure they could weave things out of lemming hair, but they'd need a hell of a lot of lemmings.
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Really, really, pungent, shit-encrusted ass...
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I can understand a director's desire to remake it. It's powerful. It's intriguing, and it's moving. But any director would have to be crazy to think they can make a proper homage to it. It would be a lesser wannabe at best. The grainy oldness of it is part of its charm.
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Aug 03, 2009 12:02:41 PM CDT
i really dont understand a directors desire to remake ANYTHING.
by six demon bag
there has to be a big fucking ego to warrant that...defintiely a classic. HARVEY not the greatest thing but you just dont mess with stewarts performance. same goes with WILLY WONKA--you cant fuck with wilder's acting in that.why would someone as big as speilberg or scorsese want to tackle a "cover song"--as a goof? to learn more?to fully appreciate the original?
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I picked up the Criterion releases of Stray Dog and Drunken Angel last night, right before Barnes & Nobles 50% off Criterion sale ended.
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It's not the most amazing motion picture in the world but I don't get the hate for it. While it's definitely Senior Spielbergo's most kiddie/Disney effort it's still got great production design, music and cinematography (Lord, how I miss those warm, softly lit Spielberg compositions). Even Robin Williams is toned down enough to be palatable.
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The Diary of Boo Radley
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You're a lewd,crude, bag of pre-chewed food, dude!
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. . . really put some life into "Royston's Theory of Successful Cinematic Reanimation". Or, in other words, if there was one director I'd want to do genre remakes PROPERLY, it would be him.
The key: Take a badly-made, foreign-language, or otherwise forgotten flick that actually had a really neat premise, get a script that takes that core premise and really explores the hell out of it, and then shoot it with amazing production values under the guiding hand of a great director.
Remaking HARVEY is the opposite of this formula. Do not remake perfect movies. Just...don't...do...it.
When I read news like this, I have dozens of sub-par or foreign-languages movies swirling through my head that COULD be rehabilitated under Senor Spielbergo's guidance.
- Capricorn One
- The Terminal Man
- The Black Hole
- The Chrysalids
- Alphaville
- On The Beach
- The World, the Flesh & the Devil
- Panic in Year Zero
- Day of the Dolphin
- Dark Star
- The Man Who Fell To Earth
- The War in Space
-The Boys From Brazil
- The Marathon Man
- Battle Beyond the Stars
- The Final Countdown
- Millennium
- Runaway
- The Brother from Another Planet
- Dreamscape
- Electric Dreams
- Iceman
- Enemy Mine
- Lifeforce
- Quiet Earth
- Robot Jox
- Slipstream
Hell, I would absolutely LOVE to see Spielberg remake Duel, or maybe even a feature-length version of Amblin'.
I mean, if you gotta recycle the past, wouldn't it be better to turn polish the rust off a forgotten junker than to slap an ugly coat of paint on a classic?
(You know, Spielberg's never done a western. That could be the only genre he's never taken a stab at. Surely there's an old 8mm flick he did as a kid that he can remake with Tim Cruise playing the lead role. If he put the original 8mm flick on the DVD, he'd have a real money-maker on his hands.) -
Many of the classics of film noir would really fit nicely in a modern setting. Panic In The Streets jumps immediately to mind as a flick that would make a hell of a lot of sense if it was set in the modern day.
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I just watched The Seven Samurai two days ago, and I watched Hidden Fortress yesterday. Freaky.
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Romaign.
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http://www.empireonline.com/20/goonies-reunion-video/
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...but still, it's Spielberg so it could be interesting. I have seen the original in the past couple of years and it holds up. At least in the way most films of that era hold up. If you're expecting rapid cutting and apatow type comedy , then no. The remake I'm more pissed about is the Coen's take on True Grit. Talk about unnecessary. How can you beat the scene where Duvall says, "I call that bold talk for a one eyed fatman", Wayne looks like he's been slapped, says "fill yor hands you son of a bitch" puts the reins in his mouth cocks his rifle and charges them. Terrific.
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Thanks, 6 demon
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I warned you!
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That is a very interesting list and theory. But Fred disagrees about the inclusion of Alphaville. Constantine played Lemmy Caution as well as any Noir hero-antihero has ever been portrayed. And while Godard is not to everyone's taste, that film is his. His vision, his creation. He told it exactly the way he wanted it told. From the use of sixties Paris -which never looked better, to the seeming intricate plot which did not just present itself, but required some thought. Yes, Speilberg - or anyone could remake it with slam bang special effects and a more straight forward plot. But it would not be Alphaville. Fred would liken it to Emmerichs Godzilla (which truth to tell Fred liked)which is no more than an oversized iguana with the name of Godzilla, but not the heart. Speilberg could never recapture that.
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Aug 03, 2009 1:52:20 PM CDT
Jeff Goldblum "ruined" Jurassic Park and The Lost World?
by nasty in the pasty
ALL of the best lines in JP came brilliantly out of Goldblum's mouth (to this day I still find myself using "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they COULD that they didn't stop to think if they SHOULD!" whenever I see a movie that exists only to showcase some new F/X porn, like those creepy mocap movies), and Goldblum was one of the few redeeming aspects of TLW ("Oh yes, 'Oooooo, ahhhh!', that's always how it starts, but later there's RUNNING...and SCREAMING"). Now Laura Dern's shrieking brought down the first JP (although props to Spielberg for the ONLY gratuitous ass shot of his entire career), and the second was flat-footed and contrived all the way through (albiet with a few genuinely jolting action setpeices). Still, TLW was Jaws compared to the TRULY risable Jurassic Park 3, a movie so stupid that A.) William H. Macy asks for change to use a vending machine in a building that's been abandoned for five years, and B.) the characters then eat food that's been rotting in said vending machine for FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!!
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Hook: I don't get the hate for it either. Maybe it's a case of people judging it against the movie they have in their minds instead of judging it on its own merits. It's a campy, silly, kids' movie with little to no veiled adult content for the benefit of the parents. Of course, that's no excuse to make a BAD movie, which is why if you judge Hook against other movies IN THAT GENRE which tend to give parents a strong urge to gouge out their own eyes, Hook holds up incredibly well!
INDY 5: Someone mentioned doing Noah's Ark. I think that after doing Shindler's List and Munich, Spielberg probably doesn't feel comfortable using old testament tales as fodder for an adventure movie (just as he won't do cartoon nazis anymore).
I'd be surprised if he brought religion into Indy 5 at all, but if he does it shouldn't be some campy "mythology" stolen from ancient egypt (or ancient greece, or ancient babylon, or Atlantis, etc). I think that would end up being just as cheesy as aliens with lucite skulls. Temple of Doom went down that route of inventing a 'religion' from a pastiche of 'exotic imagery', and that's the main reason it's less satisfying to watch than Raiders is.
A better way to bring religion back into the mix would be to use some "real" controversy or conspiracy theory from the Abrahamic faiths. While it's true that method could be seen as a blatant attempt to catch a ride on the DaVinci Code gravy train, it's also possible that in the hands of a director who holds his religious heritage with a large measure of respect, he could take some historical and/or theological controversy and use it to write a kick-ass adventure story that still treats the "source code" with respect.
Like, he could use one of the many schisms from Church history as a jumping off point. To bring in the requisite supernatural element, "mysterious unexplained phenomena" could get in Indy's way as he investigates his mystery. Like, throw a little low-grade "poltergeist-style" spookiness into the Indy soup.
Or play around with pseudo-mormon ideas about Jesus visiting folk outside the middle east after the resurrection. Ok, Spielberg ain't a Christian, but that didn't stop him from using the Holy Grail as a macguffin.
Failing that, since Indy 4 takes place in 1957, and that's the year that the US suffered it's first combat fatality in Vietnam, Indy could go to Indochina for some reason. Or, since 1957 is the year that Sputnik and Sputnik II are launched, and the year that the first American attempt to launch a satellite fails when the rocket blows up on the launch pad, Steve-o could just slap together a space race story. Cast Ben Affleck as an astronaut and call it Moonraper. -
Anyway, they're having a bad day on the set and at some point hoping to defuse the tension Robin Williams looks directly into the camera and says "Someone Please Help Me! I was in Patch Adams and RV."
And Dustin Hoffman said "What are you complaining about? I'm the guy who made Sphere and Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium!"
And Spielberg leaps into the scene and says "And I directed Always, The Lost World, Amistad, AI, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull!"
Robin Williams shakes his head, muttering "Oh God."
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Compared to the above listed turkeys, and probably more than this TinTin crap that only about 5 people in France care about.
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Look it's entertaining for the schlock value, but the John Williams score is the only quality thing about it. I think the films biggest downfall after the script are the terrible sets. Neverland looks so obviously like a studio backlot, you're waiting for Spielberg's buddy Michael Jackson to stumble onto the set and offer Rufio some Jesus juice.
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Even the Private Ryan, and Schindler's List All of them look like they were filmed in the 70s.
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Well, he's already remade Raiders 3 times.
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Bungion Boy and others seem to think the classic James Stewart version (not the awful Harry Anderson remake) was "lifted" from the play. In point of fact, and Stewart talks about this in detail on the DVD commentary track, he and virtually all of the cast were IN the play. It was so well received, they made the movie. He tells a great story about performing live in London and a little boy in the audience. I won't spoil it...look it up. Regarding Spielberg and ANOTHER remake, I just don't think it's possible for him to do it justice. This will be bad...
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sad but inevitbale in any art form.
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I wonder if it's having unlimited amounts of cash that destroys a directors vision?
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As bad as TLW's ending was, it couldn't top that. I've held off from watching Indy 4,and I think I maybe happier for it.
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Go back and watch Raiders and then Indy 4. You have the same camera pans. The camera stuck close to the actors. The hardly moving camera during the action scenes. The wide shot, then the close ups. It's all just like some TV show you'd watch in the 70s.
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obviously the guy from DONNIE DARKO,wearing the "stupid rabbit costume" or....RUFIO.
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you're a Nearsighted gynecologist.
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Rufio, Well-If Im a maggot burger why don't you eat me! You 2 tone zebra-headed, slime-coated, pimple-farmin' paramecium brain, munchin' on your own mucus, suffering from Peter Pan envy!
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"HOOK" was easily The Beard's worst. Just horrible.
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meet me there lockes if you dare.
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For those who have seen both. Which is better?
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Indy IV was a fun, well-directed effort at a terrible story with no real ending. Blame Lucas for that. Munich was fantastic. War of the Worlds was really brutal until the end. Do you really want to tell Spielberg he doesn't have the right to make whatever movies he wants? Seriously, shut your dirty mouths and never open them again.
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The best thing about the guy is that he makes whatever he wants. If he wants to make a popcorn flick, he will. If he wants to make Schindler's List, he will. He takes his swings at whatever he fancies at the moment. And more often than not, he makes great films.
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Yeah, I debated throwing Alphaville in there. But I think it fits, in the same way Soderberg did a really decent job remaking Solaris. Of course, not everybody LIKES Soderberg's Solaris, but I think Alphaville could benefit from the same sort of respectful remake. Maybe not Spielberg tho'.
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Aug 03, 2009 3:42:39 PM CDT
well savagedave, Congo was hilariously awesome...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
Mutant killer gorillas hurling severed heads at Tim Curry and bloody eyeballs and Bruce Campbell, a talking gorilla with the incorrect face on the wrong body, Ernie Hudson doing a horrible accent, Curry doing a worse accent, Laura Linney playing it completely straight, and an actually great score from Jerry Goldsmith. Crystal Skullfuck, on the other hand, was just LAME, boring, and inane in a way that only the SW prequels really were...it basically felt like the Fourth SW Prequel. And TLW was a terrific adventure movie...no one's been able to explain to me why it was supposedly so "horrible"...
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The ending of TLW got me, the rest of it I rather like.
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I like the idea of letting good directors remake classics foreign films. It seems like a win-win scenario. The studio gets its built-in name recognition. The director gets to return to his/her film school roots. The actors get to chew up some scenery. It has the potential to give a wider audience a way into what makes the original brilliant, in a way that many wouldn't get from watching the original unless they happen to be a film student. And nobody's childhood gets raped.
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. . . that I've ever walked out of.
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Fred has one word: Breathless. That should prove that attempting to remake Godard is not the smartest move in the world. And Fred did not really like the original Breathless, but it had a style which was all Godard. Some movies defy a remake simply because they exist outside of just a standard plot and action. The Gere version of Breathless, while slightly more coherent, suffered because it did not have the elan of the first. Say what you will about the convoluted and incoherent at time plot of the original, it was filmed more for style, than for substance. And when viewd from that perspective - which is not for all, it can be appreciated. Alphaville is a sci-fi noir done new wave style. Not for everyone, but a unique experience. A remake would not detract from the original, but it is unnecessary.Fred thinks remakes are the product of either an over active ego, or an under active imagination.
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I'd rather see Lincoln, with Liam Neeson, than this. Or another WWII movie, which Spielberg can do so well. He should make a movie about the Bataan death march.
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"the hardly moving camera during the action"...That's GOOD...far better than the stupid Post-Bourne "Shake the Camera So Much the Audience Spits Up and Can't See Shit" technique. Ironically, it was SPR that really helped popularize that approach, but it wasn't incoherent, like in Paul Greengrass or Michael Bay things...
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First you say you hate the action. Then you say you love the action. Fuck this shit.
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".... who just happens to be black."
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Aug 03, 2009 4:14:42 PM CDT
And "Did he give her the banana with the dope inside"?
by fa_tass_dinomolester
"Yes, he gave her the banana with the dope inside"! Which is still more memorable than Indy 4's dialogue, unfortunately.
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Cuz no way is that girl is daughter. She is one hundred percent Sista.
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have an annoying kid in it.
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How convenient, to outrun a Velociraptor!
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Really, humility does not exist in Jeff's dojo.
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Yeah, but not in two months, jackass. Maybe 2 million years.
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That's what happens when you haphazardly smoosh characters together with reckless abandon. She was probably some poor girl Jeff kidnapped during one of his "Goldblumisms". And I agree, it's enough...we get it Steven, you like kids, (some of them maybe a little too much...yes Shia, I'm looking at you).
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See Stabby's post in Thirstback for reference.
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in the first JP? We just see it on some tiny TV screen. That dock must have been HUGE.
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That what happens when you smoosh talkbacks together with reckless abandon.
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Instead of abandoned and used for rogue hang gliders?
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fence. It appears to be on level ground, but later on, you find out there's a HUGE ASS drop off next to the road?
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Or actually, it was the other side of the road. Maybe.
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I think it was the same side.
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I think I used to formulate that theory when I was a kid.
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The Beard would stop hiring David Koepp. Most of the stuff Koepp has written for Spielberg has been problematic for me.
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That shows an extreme slope and then the level ground where the Rex first showed up. Its weird, but possible. The car was just pushed off the edge a little further down from where it was the first time.
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fell in?
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Always wasn't that bad and Hook was just forgettable. I would have to rank A.I., 1941, and War of the Worlds as far worse movies.
That said, I wonder if Spielberg will user ILM's render farms to create a giant green glowing rabbit that eats people. No, that would be a remake of Night of the Lepus; which now that I think about it, might be a more fun idea. -
Munich was forgettable, too. I think Spielberg should gent into romantic comedy. He would be better than Kevin Smith.
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multiple Rabbits who have been underground dormant since prehistoric times and they will awaken and wreak havoc. We'll see the leader rabbit in the final scene step out of the shadows in 3D digital glory.
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Here is a prime example of it.
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Aug 03, 2009 6:54:29 PM CDT
AI is a amazing and minority report rocks your black ass!
by six demon bag
so says steve albini
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Aug 03, 2009 7:19:19 PM CDT
lockes--you cant say ignorant stuff like that and not back it up
by six demon bag
romantic genre??? seriously..the one thing that SS cant really do effectively is romance--hence ALWAYS..its like hes filming his parents or soemthing it so awkward..i think this has something to do with his broken home and that reflects into his films...the closest hes gotten to romance was TERMINAL and we all know how that worked out..dont get me wrong i love speilberg, but romance aint his bag, baby.
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What would make this project better was if it features the earlier adventures of Herkermer Homolka. He contacts Elwood P. Dowd in the belief that the imaginary rabbit holds the key to the Lost City of Zinj.
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I think this is my favorite latter-day Spielberg movie, popcorn category. Otherwise, Munich.Neither are great, but both are pretty damn good.
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...in this case, a play, then it's less a remake and more just another version of the play. I'm sure there were nerds back in the day that screamed,"Surely they must be jesting to think that the splendid stage production of Harvey could ever be surpassed by a motion picture version! It's heresy!"
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Someone get Frank Marshall on the phone!
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Aug 03, 2009 8:14:40 PM CDT
DIDN'T HANKS ALREADY DO A MOVIE WITH AN IMAGINARY FRIEND?
by bringingsexyback
It's called Castaway.
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then you are remaking that one...no one is gonna remake GONE WITH THE WIND or WIZARD OF OZ and say that its a reimagaining of the novel or book...those films are NOW what they are known as, regardless if there were countless plays of OZ before the musical and a novel before SELZNICK got a hold on it. HARVEY, to a lesser extent, is in the same category.
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First of all, his picture on IMDB is a severe misstep, first of all.
Here is a list of some other "missteps."
1941
The Lost World
Amistad...yeah, he made it.
The Unfinished Journey
Artificial Intelligence: AI
The Terminal
War of the Worlds
INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL
A Timeless Call
Just a few. And that's just his directing work.
Producing? Holy mother of God.
Deep Impact
The Haunting
Evolution
Jurassic Park III
Flags of Our Fathers
Letters From Iwo Jima
Transformers
On The Lot
Eagle Eye
Transformers II
"Don't worry about it Steven, we'll just let the highlights blow out."
With all his "pre-vizzing" he'll eventually be able to direct his films from a canoe, floating on his man made Hampton pond. -
had we not been "burdened" by the hubristic 1941, we would not be talking the epic that is RAIDERS OF THE FUCKING LOST ARK!!!! grow the fuck up people.. speilberg is one of the greatest american directors and you guys are whining about a film he made 30 years ago (his 5th film)..he fucking rebounded thats for sure..FUCK THAT--SHOW SOME FUCKING RESPECT.
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Watched it just last week. Not as good as I remembered it, sad to say. Still pretty great though.
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What are the chances?!?!
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A better end would be that he is set up, and that he is still arrested and placed in suspended animation. And that is where the movie should have ended, with him "dreaming" about his son (the custodian even mentions that they think those who frozen can dream) in a kind of Spielberg version of Brazil's ending.
Why end it this way? Because the film is a cautionary tale, about the dangers of profiling and coming up with an law enforcement system that labels people guilty without committing a crime. How can you do a cautionary tale if it ends in a happy ending? Cautionary tales say "cation" this could happen to you; so they require the worse possible ending possible.
Tom Cruise, in suspended animation for a crime he didn't do while the system continues to operate. -
just as you an see that total recall is an implanted dream...its been a while since ive seen it but you can take it both ways--the happy ending and the dystopian ending where anderton is in stasis for a crime he didnt commit so the perfect system can continue...the ending is TOO out of place to be "just a happy ending" so there can be some speculation that hes in stasis..or you can chalk it up as another cliched happy ending...with a name like yours, i dont think you find this acceptable.
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I love most of his films and consider him one of our greatest treasures but Hook was atrocious. A waste of money and talent. Always was lame but not his worst by a longshot.
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Seriously, when was the last time you saw the Indy movies on TV? Hook? War of the Worlds? Jurassic Park? Any of them really (though to be fair I did see Schindlers List the other night which was a bit of a buzz kill)?
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Aug 03, 2009 10:30:14 PM CDT
Quake II: Hook is Speilberg's worst, but not his worst by a long
by anonymoose
What?
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Haha! Am I cool now, can I join the club?
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Just today Hook was on. Jaws is always on. USA has Indiana Jones marathons occasionally.
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Shouldn't he be retiring?
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The majority of you want to see a Lincoln biopic but talk about Jurassic Park being brilliant. Some of you decry Spielberg for ONLY making EIGHT great films? Or was it 10? Do you realize most filmmakers are lucky to make ONE?! And what the hell is wrong with the spelling in this Spielberg AICN FORUM -- I've only seen one "Stephen" and one "Spielburg!" Man, I miss the old days of boiling with rage over the one-two punch of Harry calling him "Steven" and the talkbackers consistently spelling his name wrong, even though he's the most famous director in history. ;-)
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I think the Berg has lost his footing, but I'd watch a Harvey remake LONG before I watched Tin Tin.
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I'm disgusted with myself. Spleigburg is a great director. I caught my spelling mistake right after I made it, but I hoped no one would notice.
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Even though after TDK and Iron Man, it was a huge money maker. It even fucking has 78 percent at Rotten Tomatoes. Most average people enjoyed it.
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...a la Shyamalan with THE HAPPENING. Absolutely saccharine. The only person I knew who liked it was a hopelessly neurotic drama queen...no kidding.
Thankfully, he grabbed the reins and stuck with adventures and dramas after that. -
"so there can be some speculation that hes in stasis..or you can chalk it up as another cliched happy ending..."
This being Spielberg, I think the smart money is on happy ending. -
what I really want Spielberg to do is to make a Stephen King movie ASAP, I can't say a Harvey remake interests me at all
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reading these TBs is sometimes akin to having a bunch of bees buzzing in your head, all these conflicting opinions being thrown around right and left, left and right constantly and on and on and on, it's enough to drive a man insane! (not that I'm not perfectly sane, because I am you see, I am! MUhahahaheheheheeee!)
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but then when the film has a happy ending like AI, its speilbergs fault...yet that was in the original draft...fact is, these are the films that he makes and i dont fault him for that...did you guys actually think the aliens were gonna win in WOW??? or that indy wasnt gonna save the day??? or that tom hanks character wasnt gonna go to america? none of the endings feel out of place, so they cant be written off as such.
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there's nothing wrong with happy endings and there's nothing wrong with sad endings, it just has to fit with the rest of the movie
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But having his son just reappear out of nowhere at the end, with no explanation was horribly jarring. It felt like the cheapest kind of emotional ploy "OMG his son is dead and the world is ending!" "No just kidding he's fine!". Either that or Spielberg intended to kill him off but copped out.
I think WOTW has moments of greatness but that ending just spoiled it tremendously for me. As Amazing G points out, it has to fit with the tone of the rest of the movie, and it doesn't at all. -
He should've stayed incinerated!
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Aug 04, 2009 8:42:56 AM CDT
JUST LAST NIGHT THEY PLAYED HOOK, AI AND JURASSIC PARK
by bringingsexyback
and that was only 2 channels.
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and had to change the channel. It was terrible and unrecognizable as a Spielberg movie.
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I watched 10 minutes, and it was bad, bad, bad. It was like Ron Howard's The Grinch.
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Kill Spielberg. Get Spike Jonze (or maybe even Jim Jarmusch) to direct. Bill Murray gets the lead.
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and they're egging each other on...tom throws a fast ball, boy dodges it and breaks the window...end of game.
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love that music during the baseball game in the beginning though..what am i watching READING RAINBOW?
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maybe at the 15 minute mark ...
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Scroll up and search. CarlThorMark or whatever his name is now, and myself already had an in-depth discussion on whether or not the end to Minority Report is a dream.
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watch ATLANTA too...it shows you what NOT to do to your client...i think he was gonna hit her!! i swear my mouth was agape.
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I've never seen that on cable. HOOK, however, was on AMC. And Jurassic Park plays a LOT on AMC or TNT and occasionally SyFy now.
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Not the 18-35 group unless SS puts some gross out bathroom humor in it. This is a huge misstep on Spielberg's part.
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I dunno if citing a hackneyed attempt from the director of Great Balls Of Fire and The Big Easy is terribly convincing.
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They have the one they're working on and circle at least three films as future projects. So I've heard about Lincoln (cancelled) Oldboy (bogged down by lawsuits and would probably be a mistake) Matt Helm (who knows if he'll really direct that) and now harvey. I think that just because its spielberg and a classic it gets news. But the guy probably has a dozen movies "in development" and who knows which ones will get made.
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Those magical piano notes playing over darkness, the title card written in that cool, old-school Piratey script, and then the opening shot of a young girl looking up in awe at the stage.
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And I don't get HBO at my new residence. But I see on the guide that it IS playing quite often this week alone.
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...and POPPED IN THE MOTHERFUCKING DVD, MOTHERFUCKERS. I MOTHERFUCKING WATCHED THE WHOLE THING and I ENJOYED it! Suck on THAT, you two-toned zebra-headed, slime-coated, pimple-farmin' paramecium brains, munchin' on your own mucus, suffering from Spielberg envy! A-am I out of the club now?
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Is more entertaining than watching Hook.
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I love me some violent femmes!
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in parts. Ugh. Also, those updated Lost Boys were sickening and schmaltzy, Spielberg at his worst, and I challenge anyone to say anything good about them. I really hated them. And Hoffman was an OK but not great Captain Hook, which surprised me. He seemed to basically be channeling Disney's version. Expected more from him. Nah, HOOK should have been an easy home-run for Spielberg but he was well off his game.
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the boy who finds Peter's smile...that scene is amazing...that boy looks so wise and learned..and the williams score helps that scene..another--when peter becomes the PAN, after he remebers to fly and the lost boys cheer him on and rufio gives him the sword...if you dont find anything appealing about these two scenes im done with you professionally.next.
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since everyone else is doing is doing it and my opinion is unfortunately that I haven't seen it in a really loooong time and I can't remember much about it, perhaps I'll rent it from Netflix soon
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Blows my mind how people think a remake is going to somehow ruin the original. Are they like, using old tape decks at the studios now, accidentally recording over our favorite shows? The original Harvey is perfect. It's always going to be perfect. But I'm not a fan of old movies. Spielberg has done some fantastic work in his career, I think Harvey's in somewhat capable hands.
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I think with the right casting, this could be pretty awesome... some people are saying Jim Carrey. All I know is he's a huge fan of Stewart's. I'm forever in love with Indy... I usually love Spielberg movies so I'm going to hold off the sarcasm until I know more. Right now I'm pretty excited.
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and that's why they need to remake it. I hate old movies. Sorry. Tried to be all artsy fartsy and get into it, but all I can do is pass out from boredom. Harvey's no exception. Truth is, anybody under 30 just isn't wired to sit through something like the original. So this will bring the story to a whole new audience. Spielberg rocks the shit. Don't be hatin'
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