… The first ep feels ridiculous; maybe it's the fact that despite being on a futuristic space mission, everyone acts like they're on Private Practice (sample line: ''He's not my type. He left two people on Mars''). …The New York Times says:
… has high-tech props and a spooky sci-fi mystery, but it is layered in feminine concerns and the mawkishly sentimental pop music that frames plot points on “Grey’s Anatomy” and “Private Practice.” …The Los Angeles Times says:
… The budget has gone into the spacecraft -- the constructed interiors, the computer-generated exteriors -- and all the outer space, which looks good enough that you never think about it not being real. The human element can be less convincing, however, with many of the characters flat or opaque, the dialogue a tad artificial. Some bits are overstated, others feel undercooked. …The Chicago Tribune says:
… so inferior to Fox's Virtuality that it made me glum …The Washington Post says:
… The unfortunate truth of this mission is that you're going to need a whole lot of patience to get through even the first hour of it. …The Newark Star Ledger says:
… "Virtuality" was interested in questions of how people would deal with the psychological pressures of spending years in the same confined space with the same small group of people, where "Defying Gravity" is just in a hurry to get to the zero-G sex scene. … The two-hour premiere has hints of a possible alien conspiracy behind the mission, but that's clearly taking a backseat to whether Livingston and Harris will hook up again during the trip. … feels too slight, or silly, to treat as anything but the cheap, disposable summer programming it is. …The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… The space scenarios in "Gravity" often defy common sense and are just as ludicrous as the medical workplace hijinks on "Grey's." If you can stomach over-the-top, unrealistic plot turns -- and millions of viewers do every week when they watch "Grey's" -- "Gravity" is an entertaining enough sci-fi-tinged soap … Many viewers will understandably respond, who cares? But fans of relationship-driven story-telling might just get hooked on this silly, lighter-than-air summer series.The Salt Lake Tribune says:
… What "Defying Gravity" doesn't have is thought, a sense of wonder or an intriguing premise. Just as space has no atmosphere, the show is devoid of ideas, and viewers are left with the hope that the two most attractive people will have sex while space walking. At this rate, that just might happen. …The Boston Herald says:
… borrows from another ABC hit, “Lost,” but bungles the execution. Each episode features flashbacks to the crew’s training days. The gimmick is already exhausted by the end of the two-hour premiere. …The Boston Globe says:
… a perfectly decent bit of sci-fi soap - some cool “Star Trek’’ futurism, plenty of pretty “Grey’s Anatomy’’ ensemble melodrama, and a twist of eerie “Twilight Zone’’ mysteriousness …Variety says:
… the storytelling needs to pick up momentum quickly if the show expects an audience to tag along …9 p.m. Sunday. ABC.
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST
Firsts are lame...and so is this show.
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST
What we need is good science fiction and not "Scy-Fy".
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST
Virtuality, Virtuality... Virtuality!
Aug. 2, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST
How dare the producers squander a big budget sci-fi show like this.<p> "Booty calls"?? For fuck's sake!! Memo to tv producers: Pick any talkbacker AT RANDOM from this site and they will produce a better script than what this shit sounds like.<p> This makes me weep with frustration. When this show goes down the ratings shitter, so will many other potential space-based drama projects. Fuck these clowns.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST
Anyone with any info? The pilot/movie was absolutely some of the best sci-fi I saw this year. Should have been made for HBO or Showtime. Fox = Kiss O'Death.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST
by Uncle Stan
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST
seriously? only Lisa Shwarzbaum from Entertainment Weekly is more consistently idiotic than whatever typing monkey from the Boston Globe keeps giving passes to terrible shows. <p>anyone dumb enough to give praise to a show that is part Twilight Zone, part Star Trek, and part GREY'S FUCKING ANATOMY, is probably not going to be awake and coherent enough to notice when it is 98% the last shitty one, and 1% each of the good shows.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST
if this is a hit whilst Virtuality was ignored. But I will bring myself to watch it and then pass judgment.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST
is a hit. But I cannot judge Grey's Anatomy for I have never watched it. Though I have to say that my teenaged nieces love it.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST
Just read Speinwell's review and that part stuck out like a sore thumb vis-a-vis Virtuality's reality show in space. Well, I suppose a documentary is not the same as a reality show, but this and other similarities are hard to ignore. Which was developed first?
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST
Seriously, is standard TV now just a ghetto for women and homosexual men?<p> Heroes is going to put Hayden Panettiere in a lesbian relationship. Next, SyFy Network, in a continuing effort to repel any remaining male viewers, has announced that they are adding three new gay characters to Caprica & Stargate. <p> Straight men don't seem to find entertaining, gay mafiosas and even less, "communal marriages." Ratings are less important obviously, to Cable and Broadcast execs, than the good graces of pressure groups. This is because, network execs are not concerned with ratings, as much as their next job, which will be producing somewhere. <p> Currently, NBC (which unsurprisingly owns SyFy) doesn't care about ratings as much as cable operator fees. Cable and satellite operators must pay SyFy a fee for every subscriber who "watches" SyFy. And by "watch" I mean "has it available in their cable package".<p> It's useful to compare today's America, and state of television, with that of the America in the 1960's. It's true that in the 1960's, there were only three broadcast networks, as opposed to five today (Fox and CW did not exist then). But there are about 100 million more people today in the US than there were during the 1960's. In 1970, the population of the US was about 203 million. Today, America has about 306 million. This increase of about 103 million people amounts to about roughly a 50% increase from 1970 levels. The Beverly Hillbillies drew about 60 million viewers during it's peak years. Today, with 50% more people, the highest rated show on broadcast TV is "American Idol" with about 25-30 million viewers.<p> Even during the early 1980's, viewership had declined, despite the lack of alternatives (no Fox, no CW, no UPN nor WB networks, no cable inroads). A cable show like HBO's True Blood generates only 1.4 million viewers per showing. Broadcast network executives and producers argue that viewer erosion is a function of audience fragmentation, but clearly viewers were not watching TV, by the droves (nearly 50% less compared to the late 1960's) in the 1980's, comparing say Beverly Hillbillies (60 million viewers) to the A-Team (20 million viewers). This without cable, Fox, CW, UPN/WB, and so on.<p> The missing viewers, are of course, men. The Long Tail Blog has old data from the 2004-5 controversy over the "missing" male viewers reported by Nielsen. [Changes in methodology in 2004 had a 10% decline in male viewership 18-34, which was "adjusted" back to previous viewership levels in 2005.] Nevertheless, TV is a mostly gay-female ghetto. Sitcoms can have up to 80% of their viewers female, as a quick look at shows like "Friends" or "How I Met Your Mother" would confirm.<p> What's wrong with the television networks is the lack of men. Men are the missing viewers. Even counting cable systems, we have the following female-oriented cable networks: Lifetime, Lifetime Movie Network, WE, Oxygen, Bravo, Out, HGTV, Food Network, TLC, A&E, HBO, Showtime, Fine Living, Travel Channel, and Tru. That's a total of 15. Male oriented cable networks include: History Channel, ESPN, NFL Network, National Geographic, Discovery, USA, and Spike. That's a total of 7 networks. As we can see regarding broadcast networks, ALL the current broadcast networks are oriented overwhelmingly towards women. <p> This emphasis on female viewers has done two things. First, it has made entertainment dull, predictable, and PC-driven. Pushing the message that say, criminals (like the ones always breaking into the house "protected" by the Brinks Home security system in the series of commercials) are mostly mid thirties White guys who look middle class. Or the endless supply of middle aged, White guys who probably resemble the ex-husbands of the script writers (Law and Order-en family of shows is notorious for this). Instead of the depressing reality of violent crime committed by Blacks and Hispanics. The White female audience demands PC and Multiculturalism, not just because those populations are totemized as some "Magical Negro" (ala Spike's Lee's famous essay decrying the dehumanizing effects of movies such as "Legend of Bagger Vance" where Black characters have magical powers ... that they use to spiritually enlighten White protagonists). But also because women find most "beta" males tedious, as workplace competitors, and bearers of unwanted sexual attention. Thus TV gives women the wrong ideas about who are the risky ones (hint: it's not the boring mid-thirties White guys) for crime and violence, and in asserting the PC dogma, boring and predictable.<p> Television is likely to become even more a gay-female ghetto, ala ABC, with almost no men watching it (it's clear in retrospect that execs could not wait to dump ABC's one male-skewing show, "Monday Night Football"), while challenges to the broadcast network arise from places filled with lean and hungry content creators craving access to all those under-served male consumers.<p> The internet allows content creators to deliver serial shows either streaming on-demand, for free, or pay-per-download (the Itunes model), or indeed both. Amazon and Itunes both will gladly sign agreements for content providers, for downloads. The cost to the content producer is relatively low. <p> from: http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2009/07/failure-of-media-part-three-nbc-and-end.html <p> or http://tinyurl.com/m9qpq9
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST
Not that Lost is really worth watching anymore. I liked it better when it was about them being stranded on the island, before all the stupid time travel shit.
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST
Hayden Panettiere in a lesbian relationship??
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST
At first I was like "Cool, Ron Livingston doing SF. I'm in." I didn't realize it was SF for gyno-americans. <p> And I found Virtuality overrated. It was the ultimate iteration of all the holodeck episodes of STNG. If I were a captain, I wouldn't have one of the damned things on board. And from a show perspective, it was trying so hard to be a BIG show: it even hired an actor to play the chief-baddy that looks like Benjamin Linus from LOST.
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST
i agree (not sure bravo and hbo are women's networks?) but i'd say the lesbo stuff is put in to appeal to us guys isnt it? i switch off when that shit comes on coz it proves they're truly scraping the bottom of the barrel. regarding the magical negro, theres the sex element as well remember - all i hear at work are the white women (mostly middle aged and yes, divorced) going on and on about black guys. expect to see a lot more lame interracial relationships on tv in the future. yawn.
Aug. 2, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST
Aw hell, no! They have powers and shit, dog!
Aug. 2, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST
I wonder how they handled Newton's 3rd law of motion.
Aug. 2, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST
So not much science, and plenty of sex and fist fights.
Aug. 2, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST
This show is just more blatant about it.
Aug. 2, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST
'Subtle' hint hidden in the first episode title. Yeah subtle like a clown hammer to the face.
Aug. 2, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST
by alice 13
just what we need- mtv inspired sci-fi.
Aug. 2, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST
by Vir Cotto
about this meaningless show?
Aug. 2, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST
As certain fans of a never-to-mentioned-by-name show know. <p> So maybe he likes this?
Aug. 2, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST
Interesting summary, jbs9200. Thanks for that. I hadn't really thought about the issue before your analysis, but except for a few ballgames and the badass shows on FX and AMC, I really hate most of what's on television these days. I can't force myself to even watch it. I get nauseous.<p> Didn't realize this "not watching" is due to the female-gay skew you explained, however. I thought it was just my tastes going against trends in the industry, which maybe it still is.<p> If females are dominating viewership, I fear for the industry. Saccharine weepy, child-friendly, politically correct, soccer mom McDramas always suck. Always.<p> Television geared toward women is fine, as long as it's somewhat creative and thought-provoking. I support its production.<p> Shows supporting the anti-male, Jerry Springer, braindead female fantasy of life balanced against politically correct, HG designing, supermom shlock, however, is a disservice to human existence. I fucking hate it.<p> Funny how women watch so much more television than men these days, though. Long-term, I wonder what that means for humanity.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST
Morbidly obese women.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST
by Monkey Butler
How can you compare viewing figures from 40 years ago to figures today? In case you hadn't noticed, 40 years of social, cultural and technological development is a pretty big deal. Sure, people are switching off their TVs in part (I'd wager a very small part) because of a lack of quality programming, but much more likely people aren't watching because there's simply other things to do. Sitting around the TV as a family watching whatever crap is on (surprisingly, there was actually bad TV in the 60s) just isn't what people do any more, and it has little or nothing to do with the quality of the shows.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST
Frack this crap, I'll be watching, and recommend Ice Road Truckers and Pawn Stars on HISTORY channel. They're both waaayyyy more entertaining.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST
Just like movies, music, TV has always had a ratio of 90 percent crap and 10 percent gold. This isn't any different except now people have more entertainment choices besides the idiot box.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST
I found it to be very entertaining.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
Apparently the writers thought these ideas were one and the same. Will there be a nosy Martian neighbor who peeks through the porthole of his ship at this crew's zero-G sexcapades? I have not watched ABC in years (yes, not even LOST) and this is yet another reason not to come back.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST
I don't know if you intended to come off RACIST and HOMOPHOBIC with your post above but that's certainly the feeling I got from reading it.<br /><br /> So when they show a white person committing a crime on TV they're just being PC? Do you really believe that all the crime on TV should be committed by black and hispanic gangs to reinforce your backward bullshit attitudes?<br /><br /> Who's robbing the banks? Who's dealing the crystal meth aka hillbilly heroin? (Maybe it's your beloved Clampett family?) Who's breaking into pharmacies and stealing oxycontin and other over the counter drugs to smash up and snort? Which race makes up the statistical majority of serial killers? <br /><br />Henry Hill, the guy Goodfellas is based on, said on the Larry King Show once that there are midwestern white crime organizations that are bigger than the Gambino family, and the government isn't doing anything about it because they aren't Italian. <br /><br />I'm a 40 year old Southern white man and even I know that Grey's Anatomy is more reflective of reality in a 21st Century society than 1960's TV was reflective of mid 20th Century society. And the multi racial police forces investigating multi racial crime are more realistic as well.<br /><br />If women shy away from you maybe it's BECAUSE you're a boring mid-thirties white guy. And apparently a racist and homophobic one.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST
There must be lots of scenes involving nothing but long looks and mundane dialogue in husky whispers. <P> Oooooh, he's so sensitive. I think he really cares about her. Maybe they'll be a couple for a couple of weeks. Ooooooh.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST
Every shit sci-fi pilot I read about just makes me more mad that 'Virtuality' didn't get picked up.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
That was a very well thought out post - something I'm not used to seeing on here. What do you think about TV's portrayal of more effeminate (I think they call them "metrosexual"? Yeah, I'm looking at you Ted, from "How I Met Your Mother"...) men? Hell, it's not just TV - my sister is dating some skater that wears tight-ass girl's jeans.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST
by The Alienist
I mean, they're usually homophobic, I'm used to that...but come on guys. Stop reinforcing the male-geek stereotype. Do you also live in your mother's basement with "I Want to Believe" posters taped above your sofabed?
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST
You'd surprised how many women watch the shows you like (Sopranos, Wire, Shield, 24, Lost, BSG, so on and so forth)
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST
I am aware that anytime one is not properly deferential and sycophantic to the elitist PC demographics, one will be will be called racist. Or, as has already occurred here, a conversation on *misandry* has been falsely labeled "misogyny".<p> This is a "play the player not the ball" tactic that has been used since the 70s. It allows someone to avoid dealing with the issue at hand and instead allows them to attack the speaker. No need to argue facts when you can engage in vilification. Ironically enough this leads to lazy thinking and the mindless repetition of slogans by those that declare themselves to be intellectually superior to "the racist".<p> It is a form of per se defamation that is intentionally designed to shut down the marketplace of ideas. The next step is to formally ban heretical speech usually through labeling it "Hate Speech" (see the Canadian Human Rights Commissions which stated that "Free sppech is an American value not a Canadian one") or creating (as is done on college campuses) the Orwellian-ly named "Free Speech Zones" (in which non-PC speech is outlawed). <p>
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST
..you are the douchebag of the day.
Aug. 2, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST
TV is a valley of mind-numbing horseshit. It's only good for documentary programs.
Aug. 2, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST
but that's why DVD's were invented.
Aug. 2, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST
How awful for you that you actually have to share the world with blacks, gays, and women.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST
by Hugh G Rekshun
It's a rare occasion that someone of actual intelligence posts on these boards. The complete pwnage of the morons herein is just a nice bonus.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST
Yeah, that chick is quite the word-smith. Home skillet. You do "respect" her work, amirite?
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST
by Hugh G Rekshun
"In space no one can hear you snore."
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST
.......has someone typed out so much to actually say so little. IF anything at all. <p> On the flip side, I didn't realize it takes that much typing to spout out so much nonsense and imbecility. Here, I could sum it up for you in one word:- <p> <p> Asinine. <p> <p> See now that wasn't so hard. Although I can begin to understand how you could think it is. So perhaps later on you and Hugh G Rekshun can get together and spawn and fart out a semi-intelligent or at least pseudo-intelligent thought. <p> <p> I'm pretty confident that with the combined effort of both your sole brain cells, you can actually pull this off.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST
overrated and vapid tripe like Grey's Anatomy? which is what Defying Gravity is sure to be. These shows are the TV equivalent of the Jonas Brothers. empty, superficial, and no talent required.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST
So much bad tv so confusing.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST
We are definitely seeing the emasculation of everything male. And the Feminine male is NOT a good thing. Kind of death of the species weakness.
Aug. 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST
goes on to say how dull and predictable the show is, that it lacks originality and the characters are simply caricatures. <br>And then they wrap it up by giving it a "B-".
Aug. 2, 2009, 3 p.m. CST
Right around the time VCRs started to become popular. Coincidence? Not only could people record shows to watch later, they could rent movies to watch instead of whatever was on TV.
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST
Most critics did. I suddenly wonder why people now enjoyed it?
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST
Oh shit, I'm totally fucked now. Candlejack, Candyman, Voldemort and Herc are gonna fucking kill me because I just happened to mention the only truly awesome show currently airing besides Lost and Breaking Bad. Oh shit oh shit oh shit
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST
It won't be back on until Jan. Only fangirls watch Supernatural.
Aug. 2, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST
If you guys want an alternative and have to watch a few hours of quality tv, there it is. A great fantasy film filled with great actors. Usually i watch episodes of Twilight Zone (60s or 80s), etc, read graphic novels i get at the library or read Sf or thrillers but Heaven Can Wait works for me on a sunday night. So i am defying gravity (a groaner but had to be said, right?)
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST
Watch Breaking Bad, the best show on TV right now hands down. You won't regret it. PS. You must have a really bad case of diarrhea going on if a trip to the toilet is terrifying for you.
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST
Currently airing = not cancelled yet
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST
You are aware that in attacking cymbalta4thedevil for being an "elitist PC" based on the two sentences where he attacked you, and completely ignoring the actual arguments he made (which take up about 80% of his post), you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing him of, right? I'm not defending him for calling you racist and homophobic, I'm just saying that if you are truly interested in having an intellectual discussion and changing minds, you would be better served by ignoring the personal attacks and responding only to the actual arguments made. Instead of doing, say, the exact opposite of that, further diverting the argument into the realm of personal attacks, and thereby ensuring you don't have to actually respond to the arguments at all. Which is certainly nice and convenient. <br><br> "So when they show a white person committing a crime on TV they're just being PC? Do you really believe that all the crime on TV should be committed by black and hispanic gangs"<br> "Who's robbing the banks? Who's dealing the crystal meth aka hillbilly heroin? Who's breaking into pharmacies and stealing oxycontin and other over the counter drugs to smash up and snort? Which race makes up the statistical majority of serial killers?<br>Henry Hill, the guy Goodfellas is based on, said on the Larry King Show once that there are midwestern white crime organizations that are bigger than the Gambino family, and the government isn't doing anything about it because they aren't Italian.<br> I'm a 40 year old Southern white man and even I know that Grey's Anatomy is more reflective of reality in a 21st Century society than 1960's TV was reflective of mid 20th Century society. And the multi racial police forces investigating multi racial crime are more realistic as well."<br><br>There. I've cut out all the personal attacks. I am not suggesting these arguments are correct. But they are actually arguments. So have at them.
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST
are we certain? <p>aintitcool.com/node/41542
Aug. 2, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST
I'm sure this will be bypassed, too.
Aug. 2, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
Herc seems to have made it his mission to take negative snippets from what seem largely positive reviews. For example Entertainment Weekly gave it a B- (Hardly a negative rating).
Aug. 2, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST
are any of you guys surprised? I could tell this after watching the first 10 seconds of the promo. I wish they kept Virtuality though. The pilot was abit long, but it had potential to go places. FUCK!!!!
Aug. 2, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST
...yeah, but who the fuck is gonna clean up all the floating globules of sweat, spooge and pussy juice?
Aug. 2, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST
Looking for that Zero G spot!
Aug. 2, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST
"Floating globules of sweat, spooge andpussy juice"! Ya heard it here first, bitches!
Aug. 2, 2009, 9 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
THE FOOD NETWORK. fuck the brainwashers. SIDE NOTE - oxycontin is 'hillbilly heroin', not meth, idiot. see, heroin is a downer, not an upper. GO ALTON!
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST
There would be fucking fluids everywhere.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST
In other words, watching Avatar in orbit.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST
for 2 hours.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST
The same guys in charge of clean up duty on the holodeck I imagine.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST
I think it's more a function of the actors that the L.A. casting people are able to get hold of than any ideological deliberation. E.g.: "Hung," set in the whitest damn Detroit that never existed. Overthinking ideology has never been a problem with television or movie folks, I believe. It's all about eyeballs on the screen and advertising (or cable fee) dollars. It's the same mentality that makes for those ludicrously white looking NYC shows that (the end credits tell us) were shot in Toronto or Vancouver.
Aug. 2, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
fuck that show is sooo much fun!
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST
This is not even remotely a bad show. I've been reading 'hard' science fiction since 1979, and that's what this looks like to me. It's getting bad reviews, sure, but only from people with the attention span of a cricket. The effects aren't my favorite part, by the way, as good as they are. I don't have the slightest hope that this show will succeed or get picked up - It's smarter than 95% of the talkback crowd, it's mature and subtle, so of course it's doomed. Thank you AICN, for helping to keep lowest common denominator entertainment a standard of American TV.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST
That is exactly what I thought. First thing I said when it was over was "that wasn't even close to being as soapy as I was lead to believe." They got more science right in two hours than practically all the previous scifi that has ever been on tv combined. Yea, it will get canceled. It isn't a reality show and people today have no desire to engage their brains while watching tv. Very sad.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST
They're in space? Okay. On a several year mission to another planet? Great. And the stakes are high because the world is ending, or something? Cool. Oh, and they use virtual reality to relax? Didn't see that coming, but sure. But there's a rogue AI that's screwing with them in the VR? Well, if you say so. Plus they're all being recorded as part of a reality-TV show that may be part of a massive conspiracy back home? Uh... <p>Yeah. Way too much going on in the first two hours. Don't get me wrong, I'd watch the damn show if it were on, but that pilot script could've used some editing. Just finished watching "Defying Gravity", and I have to say that I really LIKE how it's much simpler. They're on a mission to Venus, there's a mysterious "Beta" calling the shots, and... that's pretty much it. Except for some obligatory ABC chick-flick bullshit, but I'll put up with it. Some of it's even a little interesting, from a sci-fi perspective-- is the reason abortion was illegalized due to morality, or a population problem, perhaps? <p>Strange how similar these two shows are to each other, though. Long space voyages, confessional monologues delivered to the camera, mushroom shaped spaceship. Obviously, the creators have all decided "Sunshine" is the new go-to destination for television rip-offs.
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST
Bored me. This coming from a science-fiction absorbing black hole of a nerd.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST
I'm going to have to give it a shot then. I've been dying for some good hard sci-fi.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST
I'd give it a D, maybe a D-. Other than some pretty visual effects, they've really done an excellent job of giving you zero reason to watch. There's no story, characters, tension or emotional or intellectual hooks worth writing about. Blame to be shared equally among the creator, writers and director. They each could've brought something to the table to raise the interst factor but instead settled for giving the bare minimum.<BR><BR> And ABC needs to realize that Grey's Anatomy is not a good show. Whatever success it's had is because of gimmicks, not because of quality.
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST
Just grit your teeth whenever the women start gossiping about men or when the show focuses on who's hooking up, etc. Granted, I think these things could be interesting in the sci-fi context, but really, ABC seems to be hedging their bets with this kind of chick material in an otherwise excellent sci-fi show. <p>Oh, and as a corallary to that, the soundtrack is absolute crap at times. But that's why God invented the mute button. Herc and others are overemphasizing this show's drawbacks. Get beyond the "Grey's Anatomy" shit, and there's a damn good show here.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST
It would fit right in at that shitty network.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST
and I'll watch every episode of this show because I'm such a whore for anything sci-fi. That being said.... Virtuality was much better and is more deserving of the two. Anyone else notice how much Lost has effected television as we know it? This show had flashbacks and the mysterious, draw-you-in, have you coming back week by week to be spoon-fed just a little bit more. What the fuck? Beta? What is that? Beta=The Others/Island Mystery? If this show gets picked up and lasts for the long haul, do we have to wait until season four to find out what "Beta" is? Well, OK, fine! I'll tune in week after week since I'm such a Sci Fi Whore. You got me! Fuck!
Aug. 3, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST
but I found this a lot more entertaining and palatable than Virtuality. And certainly I liked the eye candy better on this one
Aug. 3, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST
judging by how Greys Anatomy is, it'll be full of "grownup relationships, casual sex, gossip etc etc", just like real life. Supposedly. This, of course insults me, and makes me feel rage, because as a talkbacker and absolute nerd, I've yet to discover that this is how real people behave, out there in the real world: they have sex, and have simple idiotic relationships, based on physical appearance. This enrages me, because such human contact is so distant from me, so unknown, that it seems fake to me. It's not realistic enough. Then, they dare to place such "realistic" adult situations in, shock horror, the last hiding place of the nerd -the spaceship. How dare they do this? How dare they make, for the first time ever, a spaceshow with realistic people behaving like real, idiotic people, in space, with dumb dialogue. We all know people in space have great, witty, josh whedon dialogue. Everybody knows that once humanity achieves advanced spaceflight we will all immediately become nerds. Thus, in space, gossip and casual sex, and idiocy, and good looks -and most of all estrogens, and ovaries, will all cease to be, and become totally a thing of the past. Thus, this show is a piece of shit, totally stupid show. Girls will like it, what strange creatures they are - i know this because i have seen quite a few in porn videos and soap operas.
Aug. 3, 2009, 1:37 a.m. CST
This part of your post: "This emphasis on female viewers has done two things. First, it has made entertainment dull, predictable, and PC-driven". I agree wholeheartedly. We share a bond, you and I, wanna c2c?
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST
Right from the first scene. No one seemed to complain about that.
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST
After she finished me off.
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:53 a.m. CST
"wahhh I can't get laid wahhh"
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST
His original post is right on the money. The stories on the Law and Order shows may be "ripped from the headlines", but the writers always change the race/ethnicity of the criminals from black/Hispanic (reality) to white (fiction). If Law and Order was your only source of information about New York City, you'd think the only people who commit crime in the Big Apple are rich crackers who live on Park Avenue. FACT!
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST
As I said initially, I have no way of KNOWING if you're racist and/or homophobic. I was merely pointing out how racist and homophobic IDEAS were mixed into the general thrust of your post for no apparent reason, other than to simply BE racist and homophobic ideas. They stuck out like a sore thumb for anyone paying attention. If you feel I am mischaracterizing them, then feel free to clarify. <br /><br /> What does the introduction of GAY characters into a storyline have to do with MEN not watching television? Unless the men are homophobes? Was NYPD BLUE not manly enough for you because they had a gay male secretary in the last few seasons? Did THE SHIELD stop being popular with guys because one of the black cops was a gay man? Did geeky males quit watching STAR TREK DS9 because Jadzia kissed a female host of one of her previous lovers? What the HELL do the two things have to do with each other? <br /><br />In terms of the racism (and misogyny, which was so self evident I didn't even feel the need to address it), it may be easier to simply QUOTE what you said, with a little EMPHASIS and humorous commentary on my part:<br /><br />"The emphasis on FEMALE viewers has done two things. First, it has made entertainment DULL, PREDICTABLE and PC DRIVEN." (Maybe it's just me, jbs9200. Why don't you read that sentence to your MOTHER and see what she thinks about your thought process. I didn't say read it to your WIFE or GIRLFRIEND because I would assume that anyone who's actually spent any quality time with real live women would realize DULL and PREDICTABLE are not the first adjectives we would use to describe them?) <br /><br />"Pushing the message that say, CRIMINALS (like the ones always breaking into the house "protected" by the Brinks Home Security System in the series of commercials are mostly mid thirties WHITE guys who look MIDDLE CLASS." (I'm sorry jbs9200. I called you a racist when I should have called you a CLASSIST. So if you saw one of those guys breaking into your house you would tell the cops they looked like a Middle Class White Guy? If the white guys looked more like Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel would you find the commercials more acceptable? Should they replace the white guys with a group of mustachioed Mexican bandits wearing Sombreros and Serapes and firing their guns in the air? Perhaps a tribe of spear carrying Zulus overwhelming the house on all sides? P.S. I always assumed that the criminals in those ads were White because any Black or Hispanic criminals would have been stopped and questioned by the community police force or forbidden from entering the gated community without a chaperone in the first place.)<br /><br />"Instead of the DEPRESSING REALITY of VIOLENT CRIME commited by BLACKS and HISPANICS." Are you referring to the depressing reality of Black on Black crime? Hispanic on Hispanic crime? The depressing reality that blacks and hispanics are incarcerated in larger percentages than whites (for example recieving harsher sentences for small quantities of crack cocaine while lesser or even suspended sentences are given for whites dealing powder cocaine)leading you to the erroneous conclusion that Blacks and Hispanics are actually committing MORE crimes than White people are? The depressing reality that white parents can usually afford better attorneys and their children are more likely to recieve a slap on the wrist for things that get a black or hispanic kid with a court appointed attorney who cuts a backroom deal with the prosecutor sent straight to juvie or even adult incarceration? The depressing reality that most black and hispanic families can't afford a Brinks Home Security System? Which depressing reality did you NOT hear about on Fox News this week? <br /><br />"Thus TV gives women the WRONG ideas about WHO are the RISKY ones (HINT: It's NOT the boring mid thirties WHITE guys) for CRIME and VIOLENCE." (Tell that to the women who Ted Bundy bludgeoned, raped and strangled to death. Estimates range anywhere from 29 to 100. He was a nice middle class white male whose youthful criminal activities were EXPUNGED. He was very active in Republican politics as well, running Rockefeller's Seattle office in 1968 and later working for the State Republican Party in Washington and having a close relationship with the Governor. Is he the kind of boring mid thirties White Guy women have nothing to fear from?)<br /><br />I was going to make a little joke about Bundy being an actual PSYCHOPATH while the average Republican these days is merely a SOCIOPATH, but that would be very un-PC of me, and would ruin your whole perception of me as a sensitive elitist liberal, who despite all your stereotypes also happens to be a middle class Southern White Man who enjoys not only John Wayne and Clint Eastwood movies but also Grey's Anatomy and The L Word.And watches WAY too much Television.
Aug. 3, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST
I guess I am not a fan of an interstellar venue for chit chat and gossip. And the sight of the replacement commander striking the project manager in public was a wall banger if ever there was such a thing. The documentary thread was just lame. Finally, the mystery of the selection and deselection of crew members is one that did not capture my imagination. <p> Virtuality was not a perfect pilot. The pacing of the first half just about drove me up a wall. But I found the VR world and its attendant mystery fascinating. I am not a fan of reality television, no, not at all. Yet I could tolerate this thread because it seemed to work as a way to expose character development. And I thought the final hook at the end was great. <p> Arguing about the merits of these may be moot if neither is picked up for series. As for myself, I hope that Virtuality is given a chance if only because it was more imaginative and, unlike Defying Gravity, not driven by formula.
Aug. 3, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST
it does seem kinda slow, but whatever.. at least it's more than 1 episode. Virtuality wasn't that good either.. what is it with "big crew, semi-realistic slace travel" shows this season? it's not like it's a hugely popular genre (did it even exist before this?)
Aug. 3, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST
Speaking of networks taking chances....(no one was speaking of that but I needed a segway)....has anyone caught this show on BBC? Kind of interesting, really.
Aug. 3, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST
It's easier on my pron-strained eyes...
Aug. 3, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST
by Monkey Butler
Normally I hate it when people make excuses for stupid shit on TV and in movies because real life is full of stupid shit, but your post, sir, was fucking hilarious. Bonus marks for "Josh Weadon".
Aug. 3, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST
Seems to take a lot of its major plot points from Ben Bova's grand tour series of novels, ie. global warming got rid of the beaches, religious zealots seem to have control of governments, and some unknown alien life has invaded the solar system. It's unlikely to survive very long, but the effects and basic science were well done. The actors did an excellent job with the material they had.
Aug. 3, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST
... don't watch TV any more. It requires too much concentration and brainpower. Why would you want to watch tv when you can see "2 Girls 1 Cup" on the 'net for "free?" That's about the level of programming that the networks would have to come up with to cover the straight male demographic, and they could only keep them paying attention for a minute or two at a time, if that, by constantly displaying a steady diet of disgusting psuedopr0n and images of animal abuse or female abuse (or both in the same image), outrageous violence ("When Things Blow Up and People Die") without purpose or plot, etc. There is no more straight male TV viewer so the shows are trying to keep the one male demographic left that actually likes to, you know, read books and follow stories.
Aug. 3, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST
It'll last two, maybe three episodes, tops.
Aug. 3, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST
I watched five minutes of it then I clawed my eyes out and punctured my eardrums with a pencil and the inane dialog and lame-ass actors are still stuck in my head. Next I try a self-administered lobotomy.
Aug. 3, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST
by I am not a number
I'll be surprised it this doesn't get cancelled before the end of the season.
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST
Second scene in, it's a bar scene. It was as if JarJar Abrams was directing his obligatory party scene. <P> And the depressive females! <P> Oh, it's all so tiresome. <P> Get some fucking writers.
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST
by I am the most horrible
When they tried to explain their artificial gravity. WEAK.<p> There's no coming back from that ridiculous abaomination of a sci-fi concept. Hell that was one bit of sci-fi that deserves to be called Syfy.<p> What about the crap sitting on the shelf? What about your hair? Why don't you walk funny? <p> This effed up "microfiber" idea doesn't cut it. Gravity plating is easier to buy than that crap. Plus you have rotating modules, why did you need artificial gravity beyond that? Lazy.
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST
by I am the most horrible
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST
...but even I have to admit, that's pretty goddamn funny.
Aug. 3, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST
I'm a huge Laura Harris fan... HUGE... and it's nice to see her on a weekly series again, but it's too bad this series is chock full of so many problems because it has a lot of potential. Too many problems to list in full. Are all astronauts supposed to be horndogs is the biggest. The sex is space idea is something I've always wondered about (could somebody be pregnant in space - how would that work). Another prob is the series is set in 2052, yet everything is way too modern-looking. Not futuristic enough. Anyhoo, I'm only gonna keep watching to see Laura (she looked quite nice in that black wetsuit BTW), but I don't expect this series to stay around very long. It's way too flawed.
Aug. 3, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST
You're wrong. It's not a question of whether life contains "grownup relationships, casual sex, gossip etc etc". It's a question of story telling choices. And if you have a story that includes interplanetary exploration, dark conspiracies, artificial intelligence, or the like and you choose to devote your storytelling resources to "MTV The Real World" nonsense, you suck. Sorry. And that's why men laugh at women and condescend to them: you have the world and all that's in it to talk about or tell a story about, and you want to talk about what your boyfriend's sister's manicurist may have said about some trivial detail of your two-month-old relationship. Spare me. The simple fact of the matter is that most people's feelings and relationships actually aren't that interesting. They're boring enough to have to live in, without having to hear them endlessly recounted in excruciating detail. Spymunk may be right that women are the only demographic left that likes to "read books and follow stories", but it doesn't really reflect as well on them as you might think; if you pick up most chick lit, like the Gossip Girl books, for example, they prove only that women are content to read the same story over and over again with minor variations. I guess this gives them the patience required to enjoy Lifetime's 500 variations on the same TV movie plot, or to enjoy multiple seasons of America's Next Top Model, despite the fact that they are essentially indistinguishable from one another. And women and gays like "Lost" because it provides endless material for hours of empty socialization while you talk about inconsequential nonsense that never goes anywhere, so it dovetails with the chick / gay guy social model very nicely.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
I'll definitely stick around to see where things go.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
The only Men who "laugh at women and condescend to them" are men who fear women because they worry that for all their smarts and physical prowess, women are actually emotionally stronger and more intuitive and perceptive about things that actually matter than men are. <br /><br />And those men's fears are correct.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST
"The only Men who "laugh at women and condescend to them" are men who fear women because they worry that for all their smarts and physical prowess, women are actually emotionally stronger and more intuitive and perceptive about things that actually matter than men are." You know what I fear most about women? The tedium. Yeah, I get it. "Family matters. Relationships matter." I got it the first 500 fucking thousand times I heard it, too. That's the other reason male and female storytelling styles don't mesh - because if a woman has a story to tell or an argument to make, she's damn well going to tell you the whole thing, even if you reveal that you know the end of the story or concede the point in the argument right at the outset, because god damn it she's going to get her quota of tedious words in no matter what.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST
I was bored after 15 minutes of Virtuality where this show I was interested until the end. I don't like Defying Gravity being a Grey's in Space but I don't want it to be slow and boring like Virtuality was. I'm not surprised that it won't be back and I don't get what all you saw in Virtuality because even though the themes might have been better the delivery was not.
Aug. 3, 2009, 1 p.m. CST
Hey, it's no "Lost" or BSG, but after the hate-fest from this site and the chosen review extracts in this article, I thought I'd be bored to tears and cringing at the dialog. Instead, it held me to the end -- which contrasts with most network series where I fall asleep in the middle. Give it a chance!
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST
I found jbs9200's post to not only be racist and homophobic, but sexist, being particularly offensive to both genders. As a straight male, I am not "offended" or turned off by a gay character, but I do find it insulting to say that straight males as a rule would react that way. That we're so shallow and simple-minded that we freak out if we don't see our massive egos reflected on the screen for us. And certainly insulting to women to imply that stories are dull if they're female-centric. So yeah, jbs9200: you're full of shit - projecting your own insecurities and limited world view on what you perceive to be some cultural history of television. What does 'manly' television give us? Professional wrestling? What is a male-oriented story? One in which a buff guy gets to shoot guns and mistreat women? You must love the old James Bond. I'm sorry but writing for mixed-gendered audiences has given us some of the richest television shows ever, with complex characters and plotting (Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Lost, BSG, Veronica Mars, Six Feet Under, the list goes on). Please name one show that you a consider a 'guy's show' that does that, or even manages to rise beyond mediocrity. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Sex in the City or Grey's Anatomy and crap like that, but let's face it. Most of that is based on television executives constructing their idea of gender and demographics and selling it to the masses. News flash: reality does not necessarily reflect tv executive's ideas. Even if every show had 'manly men' and subservient women, that would be a fantasy, not a representative of the reality that there exists a wide range of gender behaviors and personal definitions of gender identity, and that there's no such thing as male television or female television, only what's marketed as such.
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST
yeah, you must be a real joy to live with. Good luck with the whole 'relating to women' or 'having a healthy relationship' thing. God, I can't believe the childishness of some men on this site.
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST
ive never believed any of that "women are stronger" crap..i think every person male or female can be emotionally strong and intuitive given the situation...or not... i dont believe in a genetic predisposition to any behavior....so NO not all men are unemotional slugs, and NO not all women are emotionally strong, super intuitive people...some are as dumb and as numb as most men...this show started off nicely, cant wait to see where it goes.
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST
The VCR and the Atari 2600. From 1981-1986, before Blockbuster took over, there were numerous "mom and pop" video stores in every city, at least one in every small town, and even in the "country backwoods", and people would swarm those places every weekend to load up on ANYTHING! Meanwhile, the Atari 2600 began the gamer revolution. And while there was a lull between 1983-1986, when Nintendo came out with its 8-bit gaming system, "TV" lost its astronomical audience share when it came to entertainment in the US home.<p>The workplace plays a role in the decline of audience too. A huge chuck of the US population does not work between the hours of 8am and 8pm. They work between the hours of 11am and 11pm. Those are people who are not counted in prime-time ratings.-----later-----m
Aug. 3, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST
that is a great example of what I'm talking about. She says she doesn't like chick flicks but loves great roles for women. <p>and no, every individual can be strong in a given situation. But I think it is true, agreeing with cymbalta, that men who tend to belittle women as a gender are the ones who are far, far, weaker than women, and that they secretly fear this and must do what they can to control them.
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST
was complete bullshit. but whatever, I'm used to star trek where everything has magical artificial gravity, even the elevators. the power runs out and the elevators stop working, because they're being pulling by the gravity, so they need energy. that's retarded
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST
That's what they should really call this show!
Aug. 3, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST
Aug. 3, 2009, 4 p.m. CST
It pulled a 1.1/3 with adults 18-49 and was the lowest rated scripted series premiere of the summer.
Aug. 3, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST
Since you commented on it, and since I'm a little annoyed with my spouse today, I'll expand on that a little. Say you have male roommates, and one of those male roommates wants to go and try the new Mexican place in town. He will walk up to you, say, "Hey man, let's go to that new Mexican place!" and you'll say, "Hey, sure, great idea!" You will probably say this even if you don't really feel like going there, because your buddy probably has a good reason for wanting to go, and he's your buddy and later on he's sure to agree to do something you feel like doing so it all works out. And so, after exchanging 13 words on the subject, you will be on your way to the new Mexican place. OK, now assume that it's your live-in girlfriend or spouse who wants to go to the new Mexican place. Guess what: you aren't getting by with no 13 words. This is for two reasons: first, because deciding what restaurant to go to isn't just a task to a chick, it's an opportunity for more conversation, not to be relinquished without being milked for all it's worth. Second, because if you just agree to go where she wants without really, truly wanting to go yourself, that means you aren't soulmates or something so that's unacceptable. So your spouse or girlfriend won't just walk up and say she wants to go somewhere - she will walk up, say she wants to go out but doesn't know where, and proceed to nitpick over every last restaurant in a 3 state area, until YOU suggest the one she was thinking of all along, because then she gets in all the tedious excess conversation she wanted, AND she gets to tell herself that it was your idea, and isn't it great how you always want the same thing because you're soulmates? So yes, maybe I'm a dick, but I'm a dick who gets enough female storytelling style and female conversational style in real life to suit him, and doesn't need to hear it on TV too.
Aug. 3, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST
They were stuck in the cave with the children while the males were out killing meat to eat. <P> After thousands of years, they can only talk about Oog being more senstive than Boog. <P> Oog, of course, being more like females than males, if you catch the drift. <P> As for strong women . . . where are they? Not depicted on network TV. <P> Put on a character like Captain Daladier in "Starship Troopers." She was strong--Brenda Strong.
Aug. 3, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST
Strong women on network tv: The female leads of: Castle, Chuck, Medium, Lost (Juliet fell down a shaft covered in chains and STILL set off a nuke), Better off Ted (Veronica). That's a few off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.
Aug. 3, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?!
Aug. 3, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST
Not two phrases you'd expect to see together. <p>Anyway, also, off the top of my head. Roslin on BSG. When she shouted to the rebels, "I'm coming for you," it was bone-chilling. Ok, maybe not technically network tv. In addition to the shows mentioned, the lead character of Bones, J-Love on Ghost Whisperer (I know, I know. But still a strong woman), Olivia on Fringe. past characters: Scully on X-Files, Veronica Mars, Buffy, Cordelia, Zoe, Inara, on the Whedon shows. There's many more. <p>Fluffy: congrats on having a standup comedian's understanding of gender. I'm glad you've got those 'females' sussed out. Now meet the rest of the world. I could name any number of times when that dynamic you mention is reversed, when guys can't figure their shit out, and it's the women who make the decisions easier. It's called a gender stereotype. I'm sure your wife appreciates your dickishness as much as you appreciate her 'female-ness.' Oh well, there's always marriage counseling.
Aug. 3, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
As much as I thought Virtuality was cleaver I can't say I really enjoyed watching it. At time I felt like I was watching Big Brother on spaceship set and the virtual reality stuff wasn't really that interesting. I find it hard to believe that they could have sustained a series with that setup. On the other hand I found Defying Gravity to have almost everything that was missing from Virtuality. It was actually enjoyable to watch it had a storyline that I am actually looking forward to watching. Having people travelling on a real spaceship and exploring real planets within our solar system to me much more interesting than a bunch of people killing time in virtual reality, even if that virtual world is potentially life threatening. Defying Gravity looked quite stunning at times and had heart and likable characters, none of which I got from Virtuality.
Aug. 3, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST
"I could name any number of times when that dynamic you mention is reversed, when guys can't figure their shit out, and it's the women who make the decisions easier." The entire point of the story is that she already has a decision in mind, but refuses to just communicate it directly. And I have never in my life met a man who acts that way. In most cases, men have the opposite problem - they can't temper any preference they might have, ever. I have never known any person who deliberately hid their preferences in order to make you play 20 questions with them who wasn't a woman. Men just don't act that way with each other. The reason it's a common observation of stand-up comedians is because it's true. If it wasn't true, it would be pointless to include it in a stand-up comedy routine because no one would laugh. You know the other reason that it's true? Because at every female-oriented website you can find lots of women talking to each other ADVISING EACH OTHER TO DELIBERATELY ACT THIS WAY. "Oh, your DH is using quick capitulation to avoid conversation. You have to get around that and draw him out by being indirect. That will force him to contribute of himself." The internet is not full of websites providing "how to annoy your wife" advice to men, but it sure is full of sites like that for women. All you have to do is look. It's not the end of the world that women act this way; it just calls for a little patience and tolerance. But don't tell me it's not true.
Aug. 3, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST
by Damien Chowder
"As for strong women . . . where are they? Not depicted on network TV." What? thats the problem with any form of film and tv entertainment these days. Women run the place, are strong and wise. Male characters may be the lead characters but they are portrayed as bumbling buffoons. It's only quite recently that male characters have regained any type of brain activity.
Aug. 3, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST
There was a huge benefit to seeing DG last night: I was reminded that I had not seen Moon yet. I rectified that problem today. You all should, too. Really. Find a theatre and enjoy some honest to goodness science fiction tonight. <p> Glorious science fiction with a blue collar milieu. Sam Rockwell was awesome times two, and eventually times three. Great to see a robot/computer system that takes Asimov to heart. <p> I wish ABC would just show Moon over and over again as a proxy for Defying Gravity.
Aug. 3, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST
Dynamics of men and women in to "Equals" rather than bumbling women e.g. 70s and 80s and now bumbling men in 2000s. I personally don't like to see either weak men or weak women, especially caricatures it creates divisions and flame wars begins on both sides. What's the point? Blame TV for poor caricatures and never get's it right. Equals "We are Equals" is that so hard to get Hollywood?
Aug. 3, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST
women need to be able to be tough _and_ cry at the same time. don't you watch tv?
Aug. 3, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST
I flipped back and forth between this and The Simpsons and The Family Guy. Bad Simpsons and Family Guy was definitely more engaging than this lukewarm dreck. No pulse, no life. DOA.
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST
Son of Bowie has a future in film. And it's always nice to see Rockwell in a starring role, best sci-fi film in a loooong time.
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST
4 U.S. women charged in bizarre lovers' quarrel <P> Updated Mon. Aug. 3 2009 9:37 PM ET <P> The Associated Press <P> WAUSAU, Wisconsin -- A married U.S. man thought he was going to a motel for a little romance with one of his handful of lovers. She allegedly played along and suggested he be tied up and blindfolded for a massage, according to court documents. <P> But four women eventually showed up to humiliate the man, who ended up with his penis glued to his stomach in a bizarre plot to punish him for a lover's quadrangle gone bad, according to the documents filed in Calumet County. <P> Now it's the women, including the man's wife, who face punishment -- perhaps six years in prison -- and at least one said Monday the story has gotten twisted and she's embarrassed. <P> "I am disturbed. I am upset. I am having a hard time handling life; an emotional wreck," Wendy Sewell, 43, of Kaukauna, said Monday in a telephone interview from her home. "I am ashamed." <P> Sewell, Therese Ziemann, 48, of Menasha, Michelle Belliveau, 43, of Neenah, and the man's wife are charged with being party to false imprisonment, a felony. Ziemann also is charged with fourth-degree sexual assault. <P> The women are free on $200 cash bails. Investigators say all the women but Belliveau were romantically involved with the man. Online court records didn't list defence attorneys for any of the women Monday. <P> The Associated Press is not naming the man's wife to protect his identity as an alleged victim of sexual assault. <P> The women's plot for revenge unfolded last Thursday at the Lakeview Motel southwest of Green Bay in the tiny village of Stockbridge near the scenic shores of Lake Winnebago. <P> Criminal complaints filed Friday allege the man agreed to be bound with "sheer sheets" and blindfolded with a pillowcase for a "rub down" by Ziemann. She instead cut off his underwear with a scissors and summoned the others to the room with a text message. <P> Ziemann struck the man in the face, and used Krazy Glue to attach his penis to his stomach when the other women arrived, according to the complaints. The man told investigators he also was threatened with a gun. Ziemann told investigators she didn't have a gun but may have told the victim, "Do you know how much I want to shoot you?" <P> He started screaming and the women rushed off fearful that he could get loose and hurt them but allegedly took his wallet, vehicle and cellphone. <P> Ziemann told investigators she met the man online through Craigslist, fell in love and paid for his use of a room at the motel for the past two months. She said she gave him about $3,000. Then last Wednesday, she learned from the man's wife that he was married and had other girlfriends "using them for money." She expected the money to be repaid, according to the documents. <P> During Thursday's confrontation with the man, Ziemann told investigators Sewell asked him, "Which one do you love more?" and the man's wife made a derisive remark about him being scared. <P> The man got free from the bed by chewing through one of his bindings, went outside and borrowed a telephone from the motel owner to call police. <P> Ziemann and Belliveau are sisters and Belliveau didn't do anything wrong, Sewell said Monday. "She was just there for moral support. She wasn't even dating the guy. She stood at the door the whole time and didn't participate or nothing." <P> Ziemann's husband answered the telephone at their home and declined comment. There was no telephone listing for Belliveau. <P> The man had no telephone listing in Fond du Lac. <P>
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST
Women do communicate differently than men do as a general rule. But you knew that going in, right? <br /><br />Women want men to LISTEN. When your wife comes to you with her problems she usually doesn't want you to come up with a SOLUTION. She wants you to listen to her verbalizing amongst the possible solutions. Your impulse is to make a decision and THEN verbalize it. It's the same way when she's picking a restaurant. She enjoys discussing her food likes and dislikes instead of just saying "I want Chinese tonight." <br /><br />She doesn't expect you to care about everything she talks about with you. She just expects you to care about her. If she's playing a mind game, just go along with it.I know it's annoying. I've been there. But, the worst thing you can do is get pissed off and point out that that's what she's doing.<br /><br /> ENJOY the fact that she doesn't communicate the way your male friends do. Your male friends just reinforce the way you already are. Dealing with women forces you to challenge your assumptions. About everything. Constantly. That's half the fun.
Aug. 3, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST
Beckett on "Castle" is getting along because the males are scripted to be her subordinates or an amateur like Castle. <P> "Medium" has a husband who wakes up every night and asks his wife what the problem is. Here's the problem, doofus hubby, she's having yet another bad dream; knock her out with something. <P> Daladier in "Starship Troopers" and Dizzy and Carmen are the type of female characters I like to see depicted: they do their jobs as well as or better than the males and without too much dithering with digressive discourse, and they're in a show where the men, such as portrayed by Michael Ironside, are tough.
Aug. 4, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST
What more needs to be said? We're fighting even if we are talking on centre ground?
Aug. 4, 2009, 6 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
Patty Hewes would have you cut off your own pecker, put it on a plate, and then eat it like a steak.
Aug. 4, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
Claudette Wyms would come arrest your ass for self-mutilation.
Aug. 4, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST
Sounds like they may pull it from the schedule by next week or the week after.
Aug. 4, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST
Sounds like they may pull it from the schedule by next week or the week after. As predicted. Wow.
Aug. 4, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST
THEY DESPISE IT. Sure, you'll get the odd superhero show, or a show that uses a sci-fi-sounding "twist" ("he's a cop - who can read minds!") but the sci-fi element will be BURIED on the wise show, quickly done away with to focus on the drama ... because AMERICA HATES SCIENCE FICTION! Science fiction is about dreams, goals, ambition, work ethic, idealism - all things that have faltered and withered and suffocated in the Paris Hilton Universe we have today. Imagine if a president wanted to spend money on a moon project in today's environment. "We will NOT go to the moon - rest easy! There is no reason to go! We've got domestic problems! DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT SPENDING A DOLLAR ON SOMETHING AMBITIOUS OR RISKY! We must stay at home and listen to our iPods and gripe about other countries!" - JFK if he were in 2009
Aug. 4, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST
This is a mildly entertaining summer diversion. Take Grey's Anatomy and mix in a little Lost and both shows suffer but it works fairly well. I always hate reviews by people who get paid for it. They either gush about something being the greatest thing since sliced bread or vociferously lambaste it as being the worst thing ever to be shown on television, simply because they think they have to warn (inspire) people about it, never realizing that it takes all kinds and what may work for you may not work for me. In the future, here is the template for all reviews by salaried critics. "This story is about.....I liked it because of....I hated it because of...For me it was a wasteful (good) expenditure. Go see it yourself and make up your own mind. The end.
Aug. 4, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST
by The Alienist
I love the tenor this talkback has taken in 24 hours. The racist-homophobe-sexists have been TOTALLY hosed down and read. Even the "intelligent" racist-homophobe-sexist was taken down by even more intelligent talk backers. Plus, the show was actually liked by a bunch o'folk. Well done, brothers and sisters. Well done!
Aug. 4, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST
Then we could have seen actual boobies.
Aug. 4, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST
Nobody would complain about the soapy sexy-talk if it were paired with nudity. There's the solution-- we need a hard sci-fi show on a channel where you can have hardcore content.
Aug. 4, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST
Imagine how many more people would have embraced BSG if it was an HBO show.
Aug. 4, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST
Better Off Ted is an entertaining show. I'd like to fucking watch it someday soon.
Aug. 5, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST
gotta disagree about Medium. The husband and wife dynamic (along with the family setup) is incredibly realistic, and the character of Joe is realistically supportive of his wife's craziness without letting it ruin their household. He grounds her. It's a pretty awesome tv relationship. <p>Fluffer, again, your communication problems are about poorly learned patterns of control and manipulation, not about gender. If you're a douchebag to her, it's not surprising that she's passive aggressive and does whatever she can to exert control over the situation. If there is a gender pattern, it's nothing inherent to either gender, but how men and women have developed based on traditional power dynamics. If she's withholding information, it's probably because it's the only way she knows to get your attention and control the situation. It's pretty common. But yeah, I've seen it reversed and seen men act that way. As someone who has recently completely redefined his relationship with his wife, I highly recommend addressing the problem honestly.
Aug. 6, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST
this show isn't grey's astronomy, its actually ok. and if you like sci-fi, give it a chance. its not 2001 but its not sci-fi lite crap like warehouse13 or fringe.
Aug. 7, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST
called 'Space Odyssey : Journey to the Stars'. Check this out instead, they drop most of the drama for recreations of what landings on Pluto, Jupiter's moons etc would be like for real. The BBC version ran for about 2 hours.
Sept. 14, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST
I liked this show. Sorry it's gone.