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Is really one of the funniest shows ever.
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As always, you really could've just made a post saying when Mad Men comes back instead of wasting all your valuable time... What a hideous, horrific list of tv shows... Fuck Tony Shalhoub.
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i don't think i can wait much longer.
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Wouldn't mind the new version of "skins." I hear that is pretty good as well.
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Maybe it's because I find the 60's and advertising to be absolutely boring.
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where's the Sons of Anarchy start date?
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7. Tom Hank's son can really play the guitar. <br><br> 6. It's nice to see Robert Morse get some work, especially on a show that's almost seems like an ironic homage to HOW TO SUCCEED IN BUSINESS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING. <br><br> 5. It's a shocking reminder that people drank so much, smoked so much, were sexist so much, and perhaps most shocking of all (because, let's face it, we already knew how much we smoked, drank, and were chauvanist), we *littered* too much. To see the drapers up and leave the picnic grounds with all their trash left behind was quite the bracer. <br><br> 4. Tightly scripted drama that examines one man's battle for his soul amid a changing cultural landscape and in an overall society bent on keeping us a thing apart from our true nature. Or something. <br><br> 3. All the blather about the tightly scripted drama aside, it's interesting to see The Adventures of Don Draper as he navigates from one horribly tense situation to the next. He's almost like Ripley from the Highsmith novels, except nobody gets killed. (Not really. Not yet anyway.) <br><br> 2. Joan Holloway <br><br> 1. The design ascetic of the early 60s is awesome. Granted, MAD MEN's reflection of this ascetic feels like they're overdoing sometimes to the point where it feels Elizabethan costume drama, but that doesn't mean it's not cool and fun and unlike anything else on TV right now.
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fuck the mentalist...
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the only two shows I'm excited about returing. Mad Men is awesome and I'll tell anyone in person- Man Vs Food I save for internet talk backs.
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sometimes i feel like puking right along with him...
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Aug. 1, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST
Does Madmen incorporate the predominate racism of the times?
by EvilWizardGlick
I'm just wondering if whitey produced goods for the Niggers and Chinks the same as they did for the Wops and Kikes. Basically do they call a Spade a Spade and a Spic a Spic? <p> If not it ain't real.
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Bring on season 3 of Breaking Bad.
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i needs to know!
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The great thing is that all of the main characters are white and ALL of the minorities are shown with menial jobs of servitude. And they do dabble in the racial politics of the times, when it's relevant to the plot. <p> And I say great because it's realistic. Not because it's great.
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IIRC
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The problem is we today fear an honest examination of our past attitudes. Racism in word and deed was and still is prevalent. <p> The past may have been ugly but it does deserve an honest treatment. If only to illustrate just how much we have changed.
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It would add to the realism of Mad Men if someone did use that ugly N word. It was still fairly prevalent back then.
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Ah shit, I remember.
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You'll never understand the appeal of Mad Men because you're an idiot. Or you're one of those people who WANTED to not like it, so you watched it for 20 minutes and decided it wasn't "real" (like a retired ad man I know; he watched the first 5 minutes of the pilot). But in reality, if you listen to the commentaries and watch the extras on the dvd sets you'll see how pretty much every ad campaign, every public event and every piece of fashion is meticulously researched and accurate. I really have no idea how they manage to incorporate so much research and weave it into the themes and plotlines of the show and produce incredible scripts and story arcs, all on a tight schedule. As far as 'reality,' do you question Breaking Bad's depiction of how a chemistry teacher becomes a major meth dealer (that could happen)? Do you say that Sons of Anarchy doesn't depict biker gangs accurately? Do you bitch about 24 not showing what it's REALLY like to be a fed? No, because you don't want to and because it's not cool to hate on those shows. Mad Men is art. I'd even say high art, if you think of how they're going to look back at this period of history in terms of creative output.
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WTF is Shaq vs.? Instant failure. And Moment of Truth is returning? Coulda sworn that was canceled.
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It was not that the Drapers just did not pick up after themselves, they dumped whatever trash they had in the park. My jaw dropped.
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Three shows you couldn't pay me to watch.
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Seriously, I watched EVERY single episode of "Mad Men" due to the hype, and this was my overall take: <p><p> 1) John Hamm is a great actor<p><p> 2) Vincent Kartheiser is a great actor<p><p> 3) Elisabeth Moss is a great actress<p><p> 4) The cinematography is drop dead gorgeous.<p><p> <p> Otherwise, I honestly found the entire show VERY forgettable. Great actors and great set designs do not make a great series. No, "Mad Men" isn't utter trash like recycled "CSI" procedural, but I absolutely fail to understand any of the hype. <p><p> I can easily think of many shows last season which imho were head and shoulders better than "Man Men", such as "The Shield", "The Wire", "Friday Night Lights", "Breaking Bad", and "Sons of Anarchy" to name a few. "Mad Men" isn't bad TV, but there's certainly way better stuff out there.
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1. Wow, calling someone an idiot because they don't like your favorite show?<p><p> 2. I'm not going to flame "Mad Men" with this post, but your argument that "Mad Men" is somehow elite due to the fact that ad campaigns and events are "meticulously researched and accurate" is just downright silly. So Matthew Weiner can read a history book, good for him. His knowledge of the 1960s era neither makes nor breaks the series.
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Were you even able to conduct the interview? If not, just let us know; don't keep the fans hanging. Are you under embargo? Is the interview waiting for approval? Just not gotten around to it yet? What's the holdup?
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I always thought both Monk and Psych deserved network airtime, but im glad there's great networks like USA that will put money into shows like this. Great cast and great dialogue. Better than two and a half men and gary unmarried, that's for sure.
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<p>Yes, I will call someone an idiot for not liking my favorite show: Mad Men. In fact, it's what I excel at!</p> <p> And you're an f'in idiot.</p>
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Also an idiot.
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about how many reality shows are in there by counting them but theres so many i cant be bothered.
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Mad Men written like a play which makes it different than most TV. Though the set-designs are incredibly thoughtful, the show could be performed in a black-box theatre. <p> The last show to be written in a true theatre style was "Frasier", though the two shows are only similar in that they are the tops in their category.
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Aug. 2, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST
I want to hurt everyone involved with MONK
by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL
I hate that show. If it was a person I'd lock it in a cellar with "Yay! Yay! Stargate! Yay!" Dioxholter or whatever that fruitcake's AICN name is.
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Most other TV show updates (the ones I care about anyway) I can get on Wikipedia. However, on a site like AICN, I can't i can't believe I have to ask this, but....any news on the new BLACK PANTHER series?
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I'm with you. Monk sucks. Tony Shaloub sucks. He needs to give those Emmys to whoever he screwed over those years.
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You may not like the show, but Tony Shalhoub is a very talented and well-respected actor. They've had an impressive list of guest stars over the years because other actors want to work w/ him and watch him do his thing. He deserves his Emmys. People are just annoyed because he's been nominated and has won so many times, it's become predictable.
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I can't wait for the return of MAD MEN. It is, in my opinion, the best drama currently on television.<P>And I find AshOk's continuing one-man campaign to not "get it" simply hysterical. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone try so hard to not like a show despite all his efforts to the contrary.
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Brilliance.
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I don't doubt it.
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It's mildly amusing, but I would never get a DVD set of it, or spend an entire weekend watching it.
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I really tried to like Mad Men... what really irritated me about the series is that the main arc of Don's double life as Dick Whitman gets advanced like once every 3 or 4 episodes. The show is basically 10% plot and 90% filler. If any other show was written as slow as Mad Men people would be screaming "FILLER!!!" every week. Bizarely, due to the hype that went into Mad Mad advertising campaign, all the MM drones have been led to believe that the show's lack of a storyline equates "brilliant art".
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Lack of storyline?! Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you REALLY not get it?! And if you're going to focus on Don's double-life as the only reason to watch the show then you are missing out on a host of other brilliant characters and subtleties.<P>MAD MEN doesn't work like most shows (there is no terrorist threat, serial mystery, or Earth to find, etc.). It operates on character and succeeds on its own compelling terms. That's why most folks find it to be "brilliant art" - or whatever other description they find applicable.<P>BTW - the "hype" you are referring to didn't start until after the first season and the Emmy awards. Considering how it is/was AMC's first attempt at a dramatic series, you better believe they were going to try to draw attention to it. And I've been with the show since the very beginning...when nobody had even heard of it. So, I resent being called a "drone" when I genuinely enjoy the show.<P>Bottom line Ash0k, if I were you and I didn't like MAD MEN, I wouldn't watch it anymore. Seems easy enough!
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Aug. 3, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST
"there is no terrorist threat, serial mystery, or Earth to find,
by Ash0k
Mr. Nice Gaius<p><p> Look, I'm not trying to flame you or anything and I respect your opinion. That being said, you pretty much summed up my thoughts with your own words. In "Mad Men", you state there is indeed "no terrorist threat, serial mystery, or Earth to find, etc." <p><p> Obviously you agree with me that there is no real plot element in "Mad Men", which I why I strongly dislike the show. Take "The Wire" for example. McNulty's wiretap investigation busting Marlo Standfield's men. Brilliant. Art. Or "The Shield". Vic Mackey's confession scene with Olivia. Brilliant. Art. Walt finding Jesse's dead girlfriend in "Breaking Bad". Pure art. "Mad Men" just doesn't have the drama or the momentum that the above shows have. It ain't bad, but there's WAY better stuff out there.
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Oops, sorry I should have posted a warning above.
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No worries, I respect your opinion on the show as well (strange though it may be considering). But I disagree with you on the "no real plot element" aspect of your criticism. When it comes to MAD MEN, the plot isn't spelled out from the beginning. Much like THE SOPRANOS, the plot unfolds within each consecutive episode. In other words, there is no pre-set destination; it's much more subtle than that.<P>I can't speak for THE SHIELD or BREAKING BAD since I never watched them. However, when it comes to THE WIRE (one of the greatest shows of all time, IMHO), what you have singled out is a central plot element that was spelled out from the beginning. In other words, a wire-tap that started with Avon Barksdale's crew that eventually brings down Standfield and Co. 4 seasons later. Everything else within the show revolved around that. Other than the Don Draper/Dick Whitman mystery, we don't have any other declared plot/end-game element -- but that doesn't mean that plots aren't unfolding!<P>As for "pure", "brilliant art", I submit to you the Dick Whitman reveals, Draper's slide-show monologue, the evolving Draper-Campbell dynamic, the fascinating Draper-Peggy relationship, the transformation of Betty Draper, the Sal-Cosgrove dinner, the self-destruction of Duck Phillips, etc. You may not agree, and that's cool, but I think there is plenty of brilliance to be found in MAD MEN.
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This is slightly off-topic, but I found it interesting. I was trying to figure out the name of the guy who played Joseph Gordon-Leavitt's drinking buddy in (500) DAYS OF SUMMER, most recognizable as the tripping guy from SUPER TROOPERS.<br /><br /> Well, he's Geoffrey Arend. And he's marrying Christina Hendricks. Uh, what? (http://bit.ly/HluoD)<br /><br /> I find this about as plausible as Rose Byrne falling for the Aspergers guy in that ubiquitous trailer for "Adam." Didn't these guys see HIGH FIDELITY? You gotta punch your weight.
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please please update venture bros panel article or at least post if u were not able to attend been leaving us hanging almost a week and a half
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Anyone know?
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My bad
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