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The Coens' next, A SERIOUS MAN, gets the best trailer of the year award!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I haven't slept a full night in over 10 days, I've criss-crossed the country nearly 3 times over, traveled to an undisclosed international destination and am finally on my way back home with nearly 20 interviews backing up from Comic-Con as well as a few serious wrap-up articles... but instead of actually getting some sleep tonight and preparing for my return trip tomorrow I will probably watch this trailer another 2 dozen times. I love the Coen Bros... I know... who doesn't, right? But goddamn, I see a trailer for one of their movies and it's an instant must-see... but even saying that, the trailer for their newest film, A SERIOUS MAN, takes the cake and is probably my favorite trailer of the year so far. I love the world it sets up and I love the rhythm of it. Brilliant. HEAD OVER TO APPLE AND WATCH IT IN GLORIOUS QUICKTIME! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter
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Ha! Thought i'd never see the day
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Looks great, as usual.
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They get the comeback achievement award.
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Any trailer with Grace Slick in it is never bad.
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So this might be good
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Dude looks like a young Robin Williams.
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stuck in my head
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And I mean it in 100% positive! I'm still laughing.
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I wish the Coen's would try their hand at some different genre's like Horror or Sci-fi or a movie about Ninja's rather then yet another "quirky" movie filled with awkward, annoying, retarded characters who stumble about in a plot that meanders and tests my fucking patience.
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Yup.
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it's awesome.
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I like the Coens and I'll probably still end up seeing this in theatres, but that doesn't give me very high hopes. It's just transplanting the stilted idiosyncracy-comedy of Burn After Reading into the trappings of Judaism and taking out all the famous people -- whom I liked a lot. Leave the Shlemiel routine to Larry David.
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Of alright.
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Three movies in three years. These guys are on fire.
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and the movie was good. Strange I love every performance in the movie but it just didn't do it for me at the end. Hell and I am the one that loved The Ladykillers so who knows. Its a trailer can't judge a movie on a trailer anymore. I will definitely be seeing it because whatever it is its always interesting.
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and instead I just got a handjob by a Tijuana hooker. This movie looks stupid.
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I thought I was the only one.
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July 30, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST
Looks annoying. Like Burn After Reading without the 5 laughs.
by JuanSanchez
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About as subtle as a hand grenade in a barrel 'a oatmeal.
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I've seen better this year. Such as the one for, Where the Wild Things Are. Or Star Trek, Tron (I know, not an official trailer, but still damn sweet) and many more.
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only on an AICN talkback would people say that a)The Coens had a period of sucking and b) BURN AFTER READING wasn't funny<p>As for THE LADYKILLERS I haven't seen it so I reserve judgement but I thought INTOLERABLE CRUELTY would suck and that movie is awesome
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weaksauce
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Hell no. Also, Burn After Reading... was HORRIBLE.
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If that makes any sense. The Ladykillers was interesting for Hanks' performance - but not otherwise interesting or funny.
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That would be a weird one to do a sequel of anyway, though I'd have to say it's my favorite Coen Bros movie. Also good to see I'm not alone on disliking Burn After Reading.
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After Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty I thought they were finished, but then there was No Country for Old Men. It would dare to say that Burn After Reading was the funniest movie of 2008. Even Brad Pitt was hilarious. On the other hand, I do think they do better with more serious material, so I would have to agree with CarlThorMark1978.
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now im just thinking about somebody in a high class executive office saying "i would have to agree with carlthormark1978"
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And it's everything you expect - good or bad, depending on if you're a fan or not - from the Coens at their most offbeat and esoteric. Except this is, in a way, the most daring thing they have ever done - because it really defies any kind of classification or genre at all and it is the most autobiographical I think, as it takes place in the world they grew up in (60's suburbia, Judaism). It may just be brilliant, I can't be sure, lol. I know it was fascinating. And for all the people who think they were condescending to various locales and ethnicities, here they do it even worse to their own. Just don't expect any answers or loose ends tied up... Give up on finding the point and just go with the flow, baby. Unless you feel like "carlthormark1978", then you should not go at all.
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that should try their hand at something with more dramatical impact, because their comedies have been hit-and-miss while their thrillers have been consistently excellent.
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It's the Book Of Job in a tract home.
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Square white people Jodorowsky movie. Can't wait.
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about his 'retarded characters' comment. I loved The Big Lebowsky and Burn After Reading. You know what, I'm going to get me a cup of coffee.
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I haven't seen one of those in awhile.
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Where the fuck was HE? Saw him for two seconds and then it went back to the great Stuhlbarg getting his face smashed. Seriously, what the fuck was that and how the hell is that the best trailer of the year, Quint? And who the fuck are the Coens to list SIX of their past movies, including Burn After Reading, which sucked, while Blood Simple didn't even make the list! Pretentious, arrogant trailer if you ask me. The Coens think their names alone will sell this movie? Because that trailer sure as shit ain't gonna help a movie with NO STARS.
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One ticket sold to me.
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Like one gigantic Jewish in-joke. They follow up NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN with this? Meshuggah!
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Fuck, that big Spaniard made me laugh my ass off!
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It is still better than 95% of the shit out there and worth watching. Flawed Coen's are better than no Coen's in my opinion. <p> And InSneider, I doubt the Coen's cut the trailer. They studio putting this movie out probably did, and I am sure they listed that many movies because they hope some will ring a bell and get people to want to see it. And as much as I love Blood Simple (tied with Fargo as favorite Coen brother's work) it probably doesn't have the name recognition as the other titles.
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JWTFIWWYP!!!! The Brothers Coen rule!
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better than most of the god awful hackery that gets flung at us these days like shit at the baboon inclosure.
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Burn After Reading was no good
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I mean, really. Its not. I understand the nostalgia of the whole thing. However, QT is a really bloated, shitty format.
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The G.I Joe trailer pisses all over that pile of up our own arse cohen brothers comedy routine unfunny shite.
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*whump*, right into my heart.
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came here, saw a great trailer and then from reading some of the comments remembered what a bunch of whiney,judgemental twats most people here are...can you people enjoy ANYTHING?
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I love the Coens as much as the next guy and that trailer was pretty cool, but......the best trailer of the year? <br> <br> Are you fucking serious? I've seen probably 100 trailers this year that stick in my mind more than this one will or already does. <br> <br> I'll see the movie, Quint. Chill with the hyperbole.
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instead of music quite works. Great trailer...but I still like their BAR trailer more.
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But kudos for trying something different. But I'm betting I like the movie more than the trailer suggests I will.
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Are seriously some of the most hate-filled, pretentious, impossible-to-please, hypocritical, and disgusting assholes I've ever come into pseudo-contact with to ever call themselves movie fans. One idiot is blaming the Coens for listing which films of theirs made that list int he trailer. Guess what: most directors DON'T FUCKING EDIT THEIR OWN TRAILERS!!! Others complain about how sick and tired they are with the Coen brothers' style: why the fuck are you wasting your time commenting on their new film if you're now so ABOVE their work?! Oh yeah, I forgot. No Country swept the Oscars to make up for the Best Picture Fargo snub. Thus, now that their talent has been awarded by the mainstream they must suck now.
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was going to get fired...but you didn't hear it from me ok?
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Looks a lot like the office of the frail, old lawyer in "Intolerable Cruelty"...that trailer was very well put together but it needed about 45% more Richard Kind
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...my Uncle fucked my sister when she was 17. The three of us were on the sofa watching "The Hogan Family", and my Uncle told my sister that she looks like a younger and sexier Sandy Duncan. My sister had self-esteem issues and was bulimic, so she was easily manipulated by compliments, and next thing I knew, they were making out. <p> Then my Uncle slipped his dick in her pussy and started fucking her, then he stopped and said, "Wait a minute, why's your pussy so loose?" My sister just blushed, and then my Uncle turned her over and said, "Your pink is too loose you whore, so I'm gonna sink the stink," and fucked her in her ass. My sister was all like, "Oooooh yeah, ohhhh Uncle..." and then a few minutes later he jizzed in her hair.
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The Coens have NEVER made a bad movie (although Barton Fink was pushing it). Even their "bad" movies like Ladykillers and Hudsucker Proxy make me laugh like a loon.<br><br>"He didn't LOOK busy!"
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Fuck you, Peck, you're a Mormon. Compared to you we ALL have a drinking problem! - it was downhill from then on
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is carlthormark1978 somehow different from other TB’ers?
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July 30, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!
by Nasty In The Pasty
Do these blow up into funny shapes?<BR><BR>Not unless round is funny.
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That was seriously the most funny shit I´ve read here in quite a while. And the most disturbing at the same time.
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July 30, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST
Look in your heart...I'm BEGGING you...look in your HEART...
by Nasty In The Pasty
You thought it was a SCHWIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
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We must all have waffles, forthwith.
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I WILL SHOW YOU THE LIFE OF THE MIND....!!!!!
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good. I very much enjoy the Coens work. Way more often than not, they hit it just right. Intolerable Cruelty didn´t do it for me, but I know it did for many others. My personal taste doesn´t make it a bad movie though. How's that for a lesson in self-insight, fucking haters?
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I think that's a defensive wound, yah?
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I definitely will not be watching that trailer even a second time. It looks good enough to go see, but I disagree that it was a good trailer. Repetitive and annoying. Weird stuff going on here this morning.
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is the Coen's best movie (at least that I've seen, and I've seen almost all of them) and that's what they should have advertised in the trailer...not fucking Burn After Reading, the worst follow up to an Oscar winning movie I think I've ever seen.
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July 30, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST
I'm always up for Cohen, but Sector 9 is the trailer of the year
by fireclown
I can't believe that I get both of these in the same year. Gigggity!
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July 30, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST
The trailer is pretty damn fantastic but why leave out their bes
by Proman1984
I am talking about The Man Who Wasn't There, of course! Anyway, this was already my top movie to see so it cannot go any higher.
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Actually it's better. The amazing thing about that movie is that it is simply to smart for 95% of the population. And the irony of it is that the movie itself is a commentary on the stupidity of all aspects of human life. Burn isn't just a brilliantly subversive film it is also damn funny.
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Love it that the MPAA listed "brief violence" as part of the reason for the "R" rating and then we get somebody being smashed into a wall for the entire trailer. Can't wait for this one BTW.
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A bunch of Twin Cities stage actors are in this -- Claudia Wilkins, and is that Ari Hoptman?!?<br><br> I'm excited about this, I can't wait!
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July 30, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST
Is that Francis Ford Coppola beating the shit outta that guy?
by D.Vader
In the beginning? Most likely not, but holy crap how funny would that be.
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Maybe not a Great one. I think with that Cast and that excellent Trailer we were all expecting the greatest Coen Bros. movie ever made! Put the DVD in a few years from now and you'll enjoy it for what it is. It probably needed to be either more serious or more funny.
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Word.
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It's too bad with them, because I see most of their movies, and then find myself disappointed. "Burn After Reading" & "Ladykillers" especially. There are things about most of their movies that are great (certain roles, technical aspects), but the whole isn't that great. Mainly because they play the same schitck most of the time (quirky characters with continuous habits getting into weird situations). And what frustrates me is, when they go serious, their movies are fucking great. "Fargo" is great, and "No Country for Old Men" is outstanding. When they settle down and tell a goddamn story straight forward, they make winners. When they make their quirky stuff, it's hit or miss (I did like "Hudsucker Proxy" though).
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July 30, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST
Intriguing, as in the whole movie wasn't shown in the trailer
by SoylentMean
Coen Bros. = me seeing it. Does this get released this year? If so they've been putting out a movie each year, which is better than putting out a fire each year. Unless you're the world's worst fireman.
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I applaud your taste. I agree that Miller's Crossing is the Coen's best movie.
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my new thing is enjoying whatever your retarded ass hates...<p>it's gonna be fun! god, you are a hateful, stupid troll! hate on, bitch!!
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Most Coen flicks, they love their characters. Not BAR, nor did I.
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in the trailer besides the old rabbi has the same glasses on... weird.
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The Coens represent the opposite of everything movie fans bitch about. Whichever flick didn't happen to work for you personally, you should be on your knees thanking Cecil B. DeMille that somebody out there isn't cranking out remakes, rehashes, and overblown $200-million CGI poopfests. <P> The Coens produce original material that's violent, funny, occasionally touching and always distinct. Every flick may not be a home run, but even with the creative chances they take, they've got a better batting average than anybody working right now, and every last one of you should feel fucking lucky to be a film lover during the Coens' prime.
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Definitely Miller's Crossing because it's one of the worst looking DVDs I've ever seen.
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Is a wise man. Even though I didn't think BAR was really all that great, I certainly do appreciate the Coens continued efforts to tell good stories and to tell their own stories. You make a strong, wise point my friend.
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Amen. Couldn't have said it better.
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Fucking thing looks stupid.
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...they make intelligent, thought-provoking films. No "Twilight", "Transformers - Rise In The Levis", etc. And they never will make a mindless, craptastic POS aimed at 18-30 y/o idiots. I don't LOVE every movie they've made, but I appreciate every one of them. My wife had never even HEARD of "The Man Who Wasn't There" until I NetFlixed it last month. I wasn't sure she'd sit through the first 10 minutes. Turns out she loved it. When it was over, she said "of course...it had to end that way!" As for this new film...I'm there.
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This is what I want to see ... I dont care if people dont like them .. I want to see this and just from the trailer I think I will identify with it ...
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and if you are being sarcastic I am sorry but I didn't pick it up .. or haven't seen the post where you said you were being sarcastic ... anyways ... ninjas with self loathing? mayhaps?
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Is this good Coens or "not as good but still better than most" Coens? One gets seen in the cinema and on disc and the other gets seen on disc... eventually. See, that's the only problem with being talented. High expectations.
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More or less sums up how I feel about them. So for my two cents I'll just say: Its hard to choose a favourite.
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he has a job
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But it's up there. And it's not the Coen's best...
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can suck a cock 'cause this looks fantastic. And I know for some of you it doesn't look good because there's no ultimit' fightin' or wrastlin' or pseudo complex torture scenes or Vin Diesel drivin' real fast in a souped-up Mazda but don't be too upset because soon enough Hollywood will puke up something awful that you can voraciously lap up like starving dogs.
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That's crazy talk.<P>Proman1984 - your posting rights and geek license should be revoked immediately.
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Seen better, seen worse. What I think is actually worth discussing is the fact that the Coens are using a no name cast here. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure the movie will rock, but to cast all non attractive, unknown actors is practically guaranteeing this movie to be a flop at the box office.
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Hi. We're weird. Watch how weird we can be. Here's a weird angle. Here's a classic rock song. Here's a joke that falls flat. Come see our movie! We're the Coen Brothers!
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The impression I'm getting here is not one of unjustifierd abuse being meted out to the Coens. It's more that Quint's hype of the trailer was inappropriate and that most people will see the film despite the trailer failing to meet expectations. <p> Im sorry Balcony, but is Ladykillers not a remake? Also, the current crap status of cinema should not mean the Coens are above reproach. They've made their share of duds and there's a lot criticism of the Coen Bros's films that is quite justified. I love a lot of their films, but their overeliance on irony does leave me a bit cold. It could also be argued that they're making the same film over and over again. You are pretty much guaranteed that this film is about how greed is bad, like all their other films.
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yeah, right...
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and all the success that brought them, they would stick to more serious fare for awhile. BAR and films like this don't excite me as much as when they apply they considerable skills to more hard-boiled stories. As I stated, Miller's Crossing, Blood Simple, Fargo, etc are all much better movies. They have the quirky, humorish side in all of them, but with a more serious story. No Country was also like that, and I wanted them to continue with this. I hope they don't start falling back into Intolerable Cruelty territory, that's all.
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It's one of those that gets better with every watching. And the dude who thought Quicktime is a shitty format has no idea what he's talking about. It's still the BMW to Flash's Ford Taurus.
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July 30, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST
Burn after Reading was one of the best movies I seen last year.
by theycallmemrtibbs
Its safe to say I will be seeing this one. <p> The Coen's have yet to disappoint me with any of the films they have done. <p> I know if not any thing else going into one of they're films I will be thoroughly entertained. <p> The characters they create are entertaining and the dialog is always memorable, whether it's a dark comedy or thriller. <p> I can't speak for anyone else on this message board, I don't personally know you or your frame of mind. <p> But for me, after a mediocre summer of half ass effect driving cinema, I look forward to they're new offering <p> I wished this film was getting released this weekend.
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But, i guess that's asking a lot. Still, a ** Coen brothers movie is still better than most crap out there, excluding that awful Clooney-Zeta-Jones thing.
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Cruelty?
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July 30, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST
Where the Wild Things Are trailer did come out this year,
by CreasyBear
right? So, is this really the article's headline?
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The Coens are the most overrated directors in film. I don't understand why people "No country" won academy awards. Javier Bardem gets best supporting actor for walking into hotel rooms and blowing peoples brains out. Give me a break.
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July 30, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST
Bardem didnt get Oscar for blowing peoples brains out
by JackRabbitSlim
He got it for that inane haircut.
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Really - that's the best you can do? Intolerable Cruelty and Ladykillers were crap and the mere fact you use such a pitiful excuse says you know it too. <p> No filmmaker is perfect - "Kundun" anyone? Orson Welles "The Stranger"? - and just because The Coens shitted out some diarrhea-drenched poos doesnt make their great films any less great
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July 30, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST
Stabby, As a character study, I enjoyed Intolerable.
by theycallmemrtibbs
Clooney, C. Zeta Jones (with her fine ass!) Bernie Mac, Cedric the Entertainer, Billy Bob, The Vampire Daddy from Lost Boys, and a host of pretty decent actors. <p> The movie wasn't one of the Coen's best, but I thought it had some funny moments.
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Anyone? I assume it's something funny.
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"(Director's name) is a total hack. He hasn't made a good film since (name of the second film by that director). And why do most his films star (name of an actor)?? He sucks. I wouldn't waste my mother's hard-earned money on his shit films." AICN Mad Libs...they're all the rage.
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I think I actually moved toward the edge of my seat the first time I saw a trailer for that movie. Holy shit does that movie look insane! A post apocalyptic scary kids movie! With ragdoll people in a steampunk desolate world!
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> Im sorry Balcony, but is > Ladykillers not a remake?<P> Of course it is. One remake out of 15+ features is hardly "cranking them out," though. The comparison I'm making is to directors like, say, Zack Snyder, who is talented, but hasn't yet tackled a single original idea. And he seems to be the prototype for the new Hollywood, where every film contains an "adapted from" or "based on" credit.<P> > Also, the current crap status of > cinema should not mean the Coens > are above reproach. <P> I don't mean to imply that it does. Their stellar catalog of work should, however. For every film of theirs that hasn't quite worked (which, IMO, includes both "The Ladykillers" and "Burn After Reading"), there are two films that knocked it out of the park. That kind of ratio is, frankly, amazing in today's market.<P> > I love a lot of their films, but > their overeliance on irony does > leave me a bit cold. <P> I feel that's an easy criticism of the Coens' work, and that there's more sincerity in their work than they get credit for. Just my opinion.<P> > It could also be argued that > they're making the same film > over and over again.<P> Nonsense. Yes, like most auteurs, they've got their favorite themes, but it simply cannot be argued that "O Brother, Where Art Thou," "Barton Fink," "Miller's Crossing," "Fargo," "Raising Arizona," and "The Man Who Wasn't There" are by any stretch of the imagination "the same film." Not only are they different genres, but one of the Coens' signatures knacks is that of embracing genre conventions while simultaneously turning them on their heads. They've waded into the waters of screwball comedy, romantic comedy, horror, crime noir, fantasy, surrealism, and straight drama throughout their careers. They've written pure heroes, anti-heroes, happy endings, sad endings, over-the-top dialogue, realistic dialogue, etc. No way can it be argued they're making the same film over and over.
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was Geoffrey Rush, but then again he's genius in everything he does.
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But for real, how many of those "From The Minds Of Superbad! So you know it's Good!" or "From The Director Of Cocksucker" larfs must we experience in one lifetime? As many as possible it seems. "Brought to you by the letter C." See what I'm saying? They just think we're all like some Toys 'R Us kid R something. Like wheel never grw uup! >:P
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A hack never made a good film. S(he) is incapable of making a good film. They may have a reputation for making a good film, but their work is actually crap. That is the definition of a Hack.
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I really liked INTOLERABLE CRUELTY -- I think it's probably the most unfairly maligned Coen flick out there. (And I actually found Rush the least good thing about it -- wayyy over the top.) That being said, I can't really get behind THE LADYKILLERS. I found that one a disappointment. Still, after MILLER'S CROSSING and THE BIG LEBOWSKI, the brothers have a lifetime pass in this corner. And their hit-to-miss ratio is unparalleled in the business.
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...but that is irrelevant on AICN. Here on AICN, the list of accused hacks includes the Coens, M. Night Shyamalan, Spielberg, De Palma, and many more. These are the rules of AICN Mad Libs.
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you fucking dipshits. HEED THEM!
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i just posted that Tim Kring was a hack in the Heroes talkback right before I read your post. And Tim Kring is a hack. The directors you mention, not.
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Count me enthusiastically in for this one. The only Coen film I've seen that I didn't love was The Man Who Wasn't There - and I still enjoyed it, I just can't stand Billy Bob Thornton in leading roles. Support stuff, he's great. Leading, he bites. I have a feeling from this trailer it looks like this might be stylistically a good double bill with Barton Fink, when I get hold of it's dvd. And that's another thing - the Coen's really need to do another movie with Turturro as lead. That's magic, right there.
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is one of the best movies of the decade and one of the greatest adaptations ever.
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I dunno... In Fargo, most everyone on that cast was relatively unknown ( to people who weren't already fans of the Coens ) even Will H Macy was an unknown. <BR> Same thing goes for Hudsucker... only Paul Newman ( and arguably Jennifer Jason Leigh ) was a star when that film came out. Mr Tim Robbins was still an unknown )<BR><BR> The list goes on... Raising Arizona... Barton Fink...John Goodman was only known for Rosanne, for goddsakes at the time. <BR><BR> I, for one, welcome fresh actors. Though I will mourn not seeing Steve Buscemi and John Turturro, it's a welcome sacrifice.
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*thump, thump, thump* I'm so there!
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July 30, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST
Best trailer of the year goes to WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE.
by brokentusk
This did nothing for me.
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Miller's Crossing is one of their best films... it's one of my favorites... but this trailer did nothing for me.
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The Coens' films, at their worst, are still better than 90% of what's coming out of mainstream Hollywood.
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That god damn smile: awesome. Also the exchange between clooney, his assistant and the waitress at the diner when they go to meet Gus Petch: Wrigley: I'll have the green salad. Waitress: What fuckin color would it be? Wrigely: Uh, no, uh...baby field greens? Waitress: The fuck did you just call me? Classic. Compare this to other higher Coen fare and bitch if you need to, but the fact is, Intolerable Cruelty is a comedy indicative of the Coens wit. Fully expressive of it? Maybe not. But frankly, when your turds smell like rhododendrons.....(trail off)
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Why's that so hard to believe? True Romance, 12 Monkeys, Snatch...all very funny performances.
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Best trailer of the year. I love the trailer for the Wild Things but this was just brilliant!
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And I'm a huge Coen fan. I love every one of their other movies except the 3 that everyone pretends they didn't make in the mid-2000s. <p> Get back to me when they finally make Chabon's Yiddish Policeman's Union.
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It cleverly jabs many stupid aspects of modern American society; the obsession with fitness and working out (beyond healthy usage, but more as a drug), the preoccupation with positivity and blaming all of your problems on negative-thinking people, sexual addiction, it's all in there, you just have to pay attention. They even satirize Hollywood romance comedies with the witless pap Linda takes her dates to.
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It's the Coens, so of course I'm there. Burn After Reading wasn't their best effort, but it was very good and very Coensy! Love that they have a distinctive style that goes beyond the visuals and into the dialogue/characterizations. <p> Q: How many movies could be improved by a better script? <p> A: All of 'em.
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... was ok after first viewing. I saw it again recently and enjoyed it a great deal more.
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A movie a year? That's serious, man!
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First of all, that incessant pounding is unbearable. Second, there was not one mildly interesting/amusing moment in the trailer and the trailer is designed to entice one to see the movie and it simply makes me...well...I'll keep to myself what it makes me want to do but suffice it to say all these douchebags here holding up the Coens as messiahs of film are severely deluded and that's as nice about it as I can be. Fuck this movie, fuck it up it's stupid ass.
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You IC haters are the same asseholes who didn't get Lebowski when it came out - only now you can't admit that without revealing you have no sense of humor. We're already throwing fests where we dress up as Wrigley, Howard D. Doyle, Freddy Bender, Rex Rexroth, Wheezy Joe and that Simon-and-Garfunkle-guitar-playing priest.
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...that people just didn't 'get it'? Truly great films are inargueably such and never need someone to stand alone on a hill desperately asserting that they are genius and the crass masses are too ignorant to recognize it. Raising Arizona is the only thing these clowns ever did that I ever enjoyed, the rest of the films were all far too smug for my liking. I GET IT all right, I just don't WANT it.
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Not up to the greatness of the original teaser for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, but ok.
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Not better than where the Where the Wild Things Are trailer. Not even close.
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Honestly, that movie went from being a somewhat decent "cat and mouse" movie, then it hits a huge wall. The plot is nothing original, a serial killer looking for money. We've seen that before in any shitty made for TV film. And please do not say that movie was suspenseful because the atmosphere was quiet and calm. Really? It's not that hard to get a calm atmosphere when your filming in the middle of nowhere. Then there's a scene where a woman is trying to get the protagonist to drink a few beers with her, 5 seconds later we see that dude dead in a motel room. How does that make sense? Throughout the whole movie, we see a bunch of pointless people getting mowed down, but when it comes to a main character, we just see him dead? Then it shifts to the Tommy Lee Jones cop character for the last 15 minutes, even though we only see him for like 3 scenes prior to this point, and then because of 2 dreams this cop is too old to go out and catch the killer. Really? If that dude was played by a no name actor, no one would give a shit. But because it's Tommy Lee Jones, people will pay a little attention. And we are supposed to feel for this guy? Oh, and how does Javier Bardem find that dudes wife. Explain please. And the themes of the film are nothing special. This whole morality thing, free will, and chance bullshit can be applied to everything you see in real life and in any movie. This is nothing unique and just because there's symbolism does not mean it's good. You want symbolism, read a John Steinbeck book. Finally, what is with this trend of having the bad guy get away at the end of movies nowadays? This movie is trying to say that sometimes they can't catch the bad guy. I'm sorry but this is not something new. We've seen movies like this before. Like Inside Man, where the bad guy is legit and always one step ahead of the police. He doesn't make stupid mistakes that gets him caught. He out smarts everyone. This guy just walks away with a slap on the wrist because he cant drive. This movie makes me hate Fargo way more than I did. How the fuck in your film making do you try to show how an old cop is too old to pursue a serial killer, but in Fargo you show a 7 month pregnant cop gun down a psychopath in a snow storm in North Dakota? Give me a break.
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July 30, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST
How come the stupidest of the stupid say "I get it, but me no li
by Billyeveryteen
Go away you fucking moron.
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Saying that this film will probably be "better than most films out there" is a legitimate argument because: a) it is true - you might not like Intolerable Cruelty (I didn't like it myself), but I can still think of a bunch of romantic comedies or movies in general that came out that year much worse; 2) no one is perfect - even Ted Williams struck out once in a while and The Beatles have made a bad song or two - so I will cut the Coens slack for making some bad movies, and at the very least the Coens will try something and I will always appreciate that daring over a lot of Hollywood mainstream directors (or even Independent directors) who just seem to follow a cookie cutter formula; and 3) When you have Blood Simple, Raising Arizona, Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink (yes, Barton Fink), Fargo, The Big Lebowski and No Country for Old Men I am willing to gamble that it might be a great movie, and at the very least an interesting idea or exorcise; once again, at least the Coens try to say something or have some thought in the movie - do you think you can say the same thing about GI JOE?
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but WTWTA has the best trailer of the year so far.
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July 30, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST
"Burn After Reading is far smarter than most give it credit"
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Actually, you may be giving it more credit than even the Coen Brothers do. According to them, it's a movie about really stupid people. That's it. End of discussion.
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Even though malificus just went on a rant about this, I'm going to just go ahead and say that when it comes to NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, you didn't get it.<P>Heh.
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The snobs are right: you're an idiot. Anyone who hates the Coens as much as you do really has to be. And the fact that you like only their broadest, most slapstick, hick-friendly movie confirms it. You don't appreciate or even recognize the Coens' amazing originality, wit and intellect. That's all lost on you - no, worse, it makes you ANGRY. OOOH. Yeah, get all pissed off at them smug little (blank) smartboys. Who do they think they is? They ain't no (insert any idiotic director of mindless action).
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"it is simply to* smart for 95% of the population" - Proman1984 *I love the irony here. Also, whereas I didn't think the movie was too great, my favorite trailer this year was for Terminator Salvation.
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You don't even see the utter Noir brilliance of "No Country For Old Men"?? Yup. You're an idiot alright. Hate to break it to you.
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Believe me, I got it. And enough of it. The movie was not original man. It just wasn't. There wasn't anything that I haven't seen before.
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At least i hope you are.
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I just don't think they're as great as you do, ergo I must be an 'idiot'. I don't hate on them, I just don't care for people who's noses are so far up a particular filmmakers ass that they can't see the forest for the trees. Sorry I don't buy into your misplaced worship. You sound a lot more venomous than I do, but I guess that's par for the course when the goyim dare to criticise.
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Well, after reading your post, it's clear that you did not get it.<P>And I think we would all agree that a story about a gunman tracking down a bunch of money is not an particularly original concept these days. But that's not the point/message of the book/movie.
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Really? Explain the point.
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If I'm able to see this movie, I might give it a shot.
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Thanks, Malificus. I knew a little old-fashioned Jew-hating was at the core of your "problem" with the Coens. Thanks for revealing yourself. BTW, I'm an Italian raised Catholic. One does not have to be Jewish to be smart, you schmuck. It helps...
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I'll give you some clues (one of which you already stated in your previous post):<P>Listen again to the opening narration provided by Tommy Lee Jones (Sherrif Ed Tom Bell). Think about how this will relate to the events in the film and Bell's final coda.<P>Quote: "Throughout the whole movie, we see a bunch of pointless people getting mowed down, but when it comes to a main character, we just see him dead?"<P>You're getting warm here!<P>Rewatch the scene between Sherriff Bell and his Uncle Ellis and listen very closely to what's being said. This is crucial to understanding the world view of the present vs. the world view of the past.<P>Finally, apply the symbolism and fear inherent in Bell's dream to everything you have witnessed throughtout the film. You just might come to a more philisophical conclusion than the seemingly pedestrian one you appear to have settled on.
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It's about the inevitability of death. The fact that none of us can escape it, none of us "deserve" it, and it will come when it comes, probably before we're ready or "finished" with what we're doing. Morality has nothing to do with it, it is just fate. The bad man lives (even if we want to see him killed in that car crash, for some small measure of justice), the good people die, the lawman retires because he realizes he can't fight it. It is a complete subversion of all the cliches in every thriller you have ever seen. It's about the transient nature of life. It's about getting old, experiencing loss, accepting your own mortality. It's about sadness. All that and it's funny, exciting, scary... It just uses its third act (like the book) to go deeper, to surprise and confront us with reality. I think you have to be pretty tone deaf to great art if you're frustrated by the third act of this film. I really do.
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that trailer wasn't good at all... i dont think id say it was bad, but it definately wasnt good, let alone best of the year. if the coen's hadnt directed this movie no one would give a shit about this trailer. its nothing special
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I have this script, but I don't want to read it before seeing the movie. I wasn't able to resist looking at the first 10 pages or so, and it's immediately absorbing and fantastic.
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"The amazing thing about that movie is that it is simply to smart for 95% of the population"... what a cop out. just because someone doesnt like a movie doesnt mean they weren't smart enough to understand or get it. what a ridiculous thing to say
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for Soderbergh's The Informant. This is not as good.
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July 30, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST
I knew a little old-fashioned Jew-hating was at the core of your
by malificus
Show me one sentance that I posted that said I hated jews, I'd really like to read that. Go ahead, I'll wait. Rebeck2, you really are a cliche'd, retard fucking asshole of a buttfucker, you know that? Of course you do, and that's got nothing fucking at all to do with the jews you fucking ignoramus, I tossed the bait out and you chomped on it so hard I could hear your teeth clicking all the way over here. Way to prove my fucking point you turd, HA!HA! Yeah, I think the Coen's are mediocre so naturally I hate jews. You are one simple-minded, knee-jerk sonofabitch, you know that?
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July 30, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST
CRIMEWAVE was not a good movie, the Coen aren't perfect
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The rest of their films are great.
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"You sound a lot more venomous than I do, but I guess that's par for the course when the goyim dare to criticise." You brought it up, buddy. Oh, now you're saying that was just a 'trap'? Riiiiight. Just keep frothing at the mouth, dude - give yourself that brain aneurysm.
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Followed by its natural sequel, DRAMATIC CHIPMUNK.
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Seriously, seriously terrible. Not funny in the slightest, and not even interestingly quirky. Just... boring.
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You hopped a bus to Tijuana during a break at Comic-Con for a fling with a cheap hooker?
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"Are you Wheezy Joe...?"
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But Crimewave was already in pre-production so heavily butchered from the studio (Embassy Pictures) that the Coen's and Raimi were already disowning the movie, before its release.
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This is how you do a trailer!! Can't waiut to see this one! The Coens rule!
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But, sh!t, that does look pretty akwardly FUNNY. Not great, but FUNNY.
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You said it as it is.<br><br>The Coens are simply too good for some geeks, and those geeks hate to admit that so they go on tangents with weird and sily reasons why the coens fail or whatever. Fucking blockbuster junkies!.
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Right now it'sthe funny aspect i'm more interested. I'll leave the "great" aspect for later consideration, after i watch the movie.
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O Brother Where Art Thou, The Man Who Wasn't There, No Country For Old Men, and Burn After Reading. I even liked their segment of Paris J'taime. Intolerabe Cruelty was terrible, and I never got around to watching the Lady Killers.
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http://tinyurl.com/kp8t5u
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that the Coen brother do their best when they are unsettling us. Call it idiosyncratic, but never "weirdness for weirdness sake," and definately DEFINATELY not "quirky." The Coens attest to the utter strangeness of being. Their films are filled with some of the loveliest, most frightening images and ideas in modern cinema history. While I find the tone of "The Ladykillers" extremely difficult to put a finger on (in a way, I think it is probably one of their most optimistic films next to "The Hudsucker Proxy" because unlike the original, Erma P. Hall was probably the centerpiece to the film, how the good deal with the evil, their faith - the use of caricature for ALL the characters in the Ealing original made a much more convincing tone). It may be me, it just seems on that one, the normally highly self-assured Coens seem to falter. Their films are returning to that single-mindedness, that utter clarity of moral vision. "Burn After Reading" was hilarious in its performances, the nuance and the quality of voice, but holy shit what a brutal vision of an absurd world. McDormand played almost an almost completely polar version of her Marge - where both characters have within themselves a core of optimism, Linda Litzke's came from a blind selfishness, a reflection of a world of mindless self-help, self-improvement. The film's soul, the wonderful Richard Jenkins (Pitt's Chad might also be included here, but his complete ignorance to consequences, his childish innocence and naivity are actually the catalyst for the downward spiral of all characters considered, by the end merely underlining the nihilism and corruption of a self-satisified government entity), is pushed so far to the side that his murder is blunt and forgotten even within the frame it took place in, returning to the investigator who, while observing unbelievingly the madness unfolding, are pretty happy (and relieved, that's a big one in that movie, the idea of "relief") that the scenerio is down to only a few witnesses. By the end, the humour is replaced by the emptiness of these people's actions. Their hopes and dreams of love are shunted by the complications of deception, something preminent in almost all their lives, and the capitalism of an aesthetic world made plasticine and hermetic by the isolation it encourages - true embrace, true love is kept from these people because of an enviroment that completely precludes true sight, true vision. Their foundations are weak, and their dreams - without the realization of true and abiding love - are merely bizarre personal-training sex toys with quick cash rewards. A heartbreaking film really. Funny, but about as dark as I can imagine. The self-absorption on display is the Coen's at their most unforgiving. While it isn't not one of my favourite films of their's, it is strongly indicative of their overall style - a bleak spy film overhauled by true desire to describe the great human comedy of life. I mean, the central spy, we learn, isn't really even much of a spy - a replaceable. It is, as they call it, "[their] D.C. picture." Roger Ebert often points to the fact that the Coens throw up an illusion, or create an impression, that they do not care about their characters. I, for one, disagree - but their view of human frailty, of the severity of human choice, it plays out in a comedy of errors so inexorable that it is easy to call them "heartless." Part of the joy of their more hopeful films is that the wishes of their characters' hearts (most purely, forgiveness, and as a result, love, as seen in "the Hudsucker Proxy," "Raising Arizona," their amazing script for "Bad Santa" -a crude modern masterpiece, amazing and one of the best child performances ever, I mean, I work with children and that is one of the most honest portrayls of childhood ever-, "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" and "The Big Lebowski") are achieved because they are true aspirations, not false hopes. Anyone who completely writes off the Coens are really missing something. While I understand that their films appeal to a certain sensibility, they also offer real and astute observations about life from a generous and empathetic standpoint. Their coldness and calculation are merely tools to service the underlying goal of making us feel the dilemna at hand. Thier films are some of the greatest celluloid experiences I've ever had. Giddily inventive, but earnest. And the cynicism, that is the world creeping in, it is the hardness of reality. Their characters vie for happiness hanging onto fantasies that do not reflect their distance from truth, but their inner lives, the ultimate goal of thier desires - whether that be unification or isolation. It is a choice that their characters make continually. Genious and extremely entertaining filmmakers. There is little more to ask from our realizers of the true modern artform: film. Film says more about our society than we could ever hope to say with words.
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Makes we want to put on "No Country for Old Men" right now. I've had to let that one breathe for quite a while now. Reading your posts and analysis, your genuine assesment of the film and the EXPERIENCE OF IT have reignited my thoughts and feelings on it. The whole border sequence (the hotel, the bridge, the Mariachis) is one of my favourite things by the Coens: they excel at details. And that whole sequence feels like Purgatory.
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"Dark City" is a great book; it really helped me find some films that I now love. Due to it, I found Nicolas Ray films - and man, oh man, that's some good stuff. I remember watching "In a Lonely Place" and disbelieving where it was going, and when getting there, being so grateful and devastated; grateful that their have ever been artists that honest, and devastated because that is all about there is to feel when all the pieces collapse into thier final frame. Ray's films are zeitgeist like few can lay claim to - they help us realize that the 40s in America were no heaven on Earth: we were lied to, and we were lied to big. And that book fueled my desire to search it out. I look forward to reading the interview. That book and your love of all things Lang makes perfect sense!
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This looks like another classic.
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One of the rare ocasions where the right movie was award. And even stranger, in that year, there was TWO movies which really deserved the top award for their own excelence, the other being There Will Be Blood.
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Can't really derive too much from that trailer about what the story actually is. But it's a Coen's movie so I'll certainly give it a watch. They've only made 2 bad films in my estimation so I have high hopes.
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What is really great is that the film is almost exactly like the book. With a few minor exceptions, it's practically verbatim. Vintage McCarthy. It's one of the few film adaptions that I could actually hear the "voice" of the author coming through.<P>It's been said that NCFOM is the most "filmable" of McCarthy's books. It almost reads like a film treatment. I can imagine the Coen's looked at it the same way and felt that there was very little that needed changing.
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Although for my ultimate film noir would have to have Charles McGraw in it. I saw Roadblock on TCM last week for the nth time and don't know if there was a better noir face and voice than his. Why that excellent B-movie isn't on DVD is a mystery to me. <p> Also interesting what he had to saw about Public Enemies and Mulholland Dr. I can see where he's coming from with Public Enemies. I liked it, but wouldn't say it was a great movie by any means, while Mulholland Dr. sticks with you. Saw that one in the theater late one night. What a great experience.
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They can do no wrong.
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I'll watch a Coen film regardless. They've consistently made good films and rarely disappoint except for "Burn" and "Intolerable." Even "ladykillers" was a bit tough. They have had one or two missteps here and there, but no one is perfect. If Deakins lights and shoots it I know at least we have that to look forward to. With all of the remake crap, wouldn't be cool if the boys remade (an already cool film) "Falling Down." If they could create that insane tension with Bardem in the gas station with the flip of a coin imagine what they could do with the cost of a Coke!
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Best trailer of the year? AICN never fails to bring the outrageous hyperbole.
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July 30, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST
Love that trailer! ... thump! ... thump! ... thump! ...
by Chariowalda_Barbarossa
... What Balcony Fool said. With me the Coens have irrevocable carte blance, every Coen film is a must-see by definition.
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As close to being a perfect film as you can get. Would have been flawless if Howard Hughes hadn't fucked with the editing of the ending.
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July 30, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST
... and who the hell is voicing that secretary?
by Chariowalda_Barbarossa
Grrrr... that bedroom voice on that hot secretary makes me horny.
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Let's hope the film itself is even half as entertaining.
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That's some righteous shit. Also enjoyed the Criss Cross references in the interview. It doesn't get a lot of attention like Out of the Past and Double Indemnity and some others, but Criss Cross is a great film with a brutal ending.
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That was a stunning summation of the Coens' work. This post (along with your analysis of Adaptation) give me hope that the thirteen year olds (in body and/or mind) haven't completely overloaded these talkbacks.
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They always focus on how the plot supposedly wasn't very good and how you never got to see Moss die? <p> They must have missed the miles and miles of rich theme and delicious subtext that the movie offers beneath its beautifully shot surface. And its kick ass script. <p> No, these fuckers just want a movie where people die violent deaths and they don't have to consider thematic weight at all.
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"Film says more about our society than we could ever hope to say with words."<P> But not for lack of trying, eh, Chauncey? ;)
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They also tend to be numbskulls.
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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"
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that's your best trailer of the year.wtf was it about/can anyone explain the plot of this to me?i loce the coen's,but this...
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but that trailer is leaving a lot to be desired.i found it a little annoying.burn after reading and no country were great,hoping this is better than the trailer suggests
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July 30, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST
One thing I will always appreciate about No country.....
by theycallmemrtibbs
was how toward the end of the movie, the conversation between Chighur and Llewelyn led me to believe these two were going to have some big mano y mano winner take all confrontation (Typical Hollywood bullshit) and the exact opposite happens.
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Good to see a different rhythm from a trailer every once in a while, building the mood instead of editing scenes together to the same old sub-Don Lafontaine voiceover yacks on and on. Let's have some mystery. Film looks mighty interesting too by the way.
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If you ever use the term "delicious subtext" ever again, I will hunt you down and punch you in the throat.
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Anybody who complains about the ending of that movie, or anything about it for that matter is a certified idiot. Surprised to see a few people bash Barton Fink. I think it's one of their best films. I'm still laughing at the guy who used Kundun as an example of a Scorsese failure. Kundun is a great underrated film. I wonder if that person has ever seen Cape Fear?
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Someone has to know... What does the inscription on the teeth say in the trailer????
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July 30, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST
"If You Don't Love Every Movie From *Director who isn't pure shi
by bottombrick
...You only watch Michael Bay films for 'splosions, and Larry the Cable Guy when its time for laughin'!!!!" - if you find this on your lips then you are missing the point, it denigrates the great things they have done to adopt this attitude, and to defend their shitty half-assed wastes of time. No Country was an anomaly, everthing else from them has been diminishing returns. You don't really 'get' or love the Coen's work if you don't hate Burn After Reading and the Ladykillers, these movies are fucking failures and the sheep-like spineless cunts who can't hate on a single one of their movies simply because they have made great things and they have earned their recognitionin the past need to develop a sense of taste of their own. Having a sense of taste means being able to spit out a piece of shit even if it is served to you by someone who has cooked up miracles before.
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I would hold The Big Lebowski and Raising Arizona on high as pure and miraculous film at its most ecstatic, followed by Miller's Crossing, Fargo, No Country, Barton Fink, and Hudsucker in roughly that order, and the rest has varying degrees of suck excepting Burn After Reading and Ladykillers which are just shit.
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trailer of the year. Let me drop another bombshell on you if you think that's wild -- Quint doesn't even have an actual 'best trailer of the year' award AT ALL! I mean how crazy is that? But luckily you blew the lid off that one for us.
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Fargo, No Country and Barton Fink in the middle of the pack? Interesting, I guess. And Burn After Reading was a lesser work, but it was still well done, I thought.
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July 31, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST
The Coens Shatter the Ceiling on What Greatness Can Be
by heywood jablomie
If people aren't rubbing their lip with one finger and going "Buggybubbybarglebigglebagglebuggleboggle" after watching that trailer...well, you've been thinking about GI Joe too long, Poindexter.
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July 31, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST
I Live in My Mommy's Basement and Jerk Off in Her Old, Discarded
by heywood jablomie
but of course, because I own sixteen XXL Star Trek t shirts, I would make a much better filmmaker than these Hebrew siblings. Hey, c'mon over--me and Mom are gonna make microwaves pizza squares and watch The Scorpion King on Bluray!
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...movies that cause such pompous asses like the ones on this board to feel superior to the other mere mortals on this planet. If you like Coen brothers, fine. But don't use that as a stepping-off point to declare how brilliant you are and how dumb everyone is who doesn't "get it". Okay? I "get" Coen brothers movies. I just don't like most of them. And I don't like this trailer. What's wrong with that?
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...gotta have an orgasm about it?
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So far has gotta be between Star Trek (the 3rd trailer, I think) and Where The Wild Things Are. Both were great trailers elevated to brilliance by the music used.</p> Don't get me wrong - this film looks great - but as far as Trailer Artistry goes, it's gotta be one of the two aforementioned.
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That trailer did nothing for me. It needed more dildo machine.
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I'm a sucker for sleeper type films and that's what this is. Hell, I watched that Tom Hanks as Col. Sanders movie and paid to see it.
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Raizing Arizona ad The Big Lebowski ae there best two movies. I am not keen on the otherss movies like Old Country or any of the George Clooney pics.
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If you proclaim to be a movie geek and yert you think that No Country For Old Men is not a good movie or that ir had a bad ending or complaisn that there was no final controntation/shootout, then give up the rpetense, you are not a movie geek. Call yourself something else but a movie geek.<br><br>There's much, much more to be a movie geek then just masturbating to Michael Bay's explosions.
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Great dialogue, great story, solid romantic comedy. "I love you like a sumbitch!""Just bring him an iceberg lettuce and a mealy tomato wedge smothered with French Dressing." This has been a great week for trailers; this, Fantastic Mr. Fox... Good stuff.
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Kundun is the cinematic equivalent of the Budhhist "Ohm" chant - the "believers" call it serene and deeply meditative - the rest of us call it as profound as witnessing a dog's fart. Pretty cinematography and casting unknowns (who quite frankly struggled on camera like damn near all nonprofessionals) does not a picture make.
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Kundun is the cinematic equivalent of the Budhhist "Ohm" chant - the "believers" call it serene and deeply meditative - the rest of us call it as profound as witnessing a dog's fart. Pretty cinematography and casting unknowns (who quite frankly struggled on camera like damn near all nonprofessionals) does not a picture make.
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Even the weakest Cohen brothers have grown on me over time (same way with Carpenter. I've even grown to like Ghosts of Mars as a junky, albeit sorta lazy, genre exercise as well as a personal joke of an homage of an homage of an homage. I like Escape to LA for the same reason). Burn After Reading is a lark, but watching it at home was more satisfying than in the theater. And fuck, I was baffled by Lebowski in the theater. Felt it was indulgent, over-stuffed and imploded on itself. How wrong I was. It grew and grew on me, and now ranks just below Raising Arizona as my favorite. There isn't a more consistent filmography out there right now than theirs. Everyone has blotches but relative to their successful films, they are miniscule.
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There was nothing amusing about it. It is going to make exactly $36 at the box office, because it is a movie that maybe 3-4 people actually want to see. What the hell has happened to the once-mighty Coen Bros? This looks even more off-putting than Barton Fink!
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Baruch atah adonai, eloheinu melech ha'olum, asher kidishanu... ohm who am I kidding. It says: "Don't Bother Seeing This Movie; My Accountant Talked Me Into It As A Tax Write-Off".
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Might be my favorite Coen Bros flick. It's both hysterical *and* terrifying, a neat trick.
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that was pretty damn awesome
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I'm sorry but that goes to District 9
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I stand corrected, it should actually go to Tron Legacy!
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For any of you bored souls who are still reading this thread...<BR><BR>After researching this for hours on the internet, ( not having the first idea how to even read hebrew/yiddish other than knowing right to left ) I think it is yiddish... "kushyenik" which is 2 words... Kush ( kiss, noun) "yenik ( that, who )... <BR><BR> I'm guessing this is slang for something else... a "kiss ass" or maybe it's related to something in the plot... "one who kisses" maybe just "kisser"? <BR>or slang for the mouth... "the kisser"?<BR><BR> Anyway... I now know more than I ever thought about how to write hebrew and pronounce it and look it up on the internet.
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