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Comic-Con '09: Peter Jackson talks to Capone about DISTRICT 9, THE HOBBIT, and the state of the film industry!!!

Hey folks. Capone in San Diego with another in a long line of Comic-Con '09 panel reports, interviews, and just general groovy news. This year, Comic-Con was a place where I really got my first sense of how THE HOBBIT films are taking shape. Where as many months ago, writers Jackson, Guillermo del Toro, Philippa Boyens, and Fran Walsh were contemplating the first films as essentially being the Tolkien book, and the second film being a bridge movie between THE HOBBIT and THE LORD OF THE RINGS, Jackson told a select group of online journalists a couple nights ago that that clearly wasn't going to be the case. The two films will be the novel stretched out and supplemented by material from appendices, and other background source material written by Tolkien. Jackson said that the screenplay for the first movie is about three weeks from completion and must still go through budgeting and even getting the go ahead from the studio before any casting can be done and announced. This was Jackson's polite way of saying that all casting rumors (other than a small number of returning LORD OF THE RINGS characters) are bullshit. Jackson added that while scheduling, casting, and pre-production on the first HOBBIT film begins, writing on the second film will commence. He also said that writing with Del Toro in the mix hasn't really changed his writing process--sometimes different combinations of the four writers work on certain scenes if someone isn't available, and other times, each person takes a scene to work on and then they reconvene to polish. Jackson specifically mentioned wanting to explore where Gandalf disappears for such a long time in THE HOBBIT, but didn't go into much other detail about other sidestories his team will explore in terms of subplots. He did confirm that the intended release dates of the two films would be December 2011 and December 2012. Although casting decisions are still very much undecided, Jackson did say, "We have talked about casting among ourselves, and obviously we want the original actors to come back when appropriate." Take that for what's it's worth. The subject of casting 13 dwarf characters was met with a great deal of humor from Jackson, who still seemed a little unsure how the team would pull that off and still somehow manage to create unique personalities for each dwarf. Answering the question of why he isn't directing THE HOBBIT films himself, Jackson explained that he felt like he'd be competing with himself with the new films, and instead hired a visionary director to make these stories come to life. Jackson closed out the lengthy discussion with a series of clips, including an impressive four minutes of footage from his new film THE LOVELY BONES (lest you forget, Jackson actually does have a film of his own coming out later this year). Cut like a lengthy trailer, the footage showed both the very real world of the lead young girl character who is killed, and her dream-like limbo state where she lives while she watches those in her life attempt to solve her murder. Stanley Tucci as the girl's killer was especially freaky in the scenes we saw. Jackson said the shorter trailer would premiere for JULIE & JULIA (also starring Tucci, but a much nicer version). The evening got even more enjoyable as Jackson pulled out a series of shorts he'd made over the last couple of years that spotlighted his love of WWI aviation. The first was "Crossing the Line," a red camera test short about the ramping up for a WWI-era battle. Next was a portion of "Over the Front," Cine-a-rama film he made for a museum in Australia, also focusing on the aviation war. "Vintage Aviator" gave us a peak inside the shop where Peter and his crew build old planes at full scale using the original plans. "Wingnut Wings" showed us the shop where the plastic versions of the aforementioned WWI aircrafts are designed and cast, based on the full-size creations. Perhaps the most interesting of the bunch was some 3-D test footage of an aerial battle (using LORD OF THE RINGS aerial backdrops) that Jackson shot to see if he'd like to use the technique for his long-in-the-works DAMBUSTERS, to be directed by Weta's Christian Rivers. Jackson said he still needed to do another draft of the script before serious production can begin. While we're cleaning the closet of all project Jackson has a hand in, he did mention that Steven Spielberg had just finished his first cut of TINTIN. Backing up a bit, Jackson was making his first-ever Comic-Con appearance to support a film he produced, DISTRICT 9, from South African director Neill Blomkamp. I thought I knew from the trailer material what to expect from this film, and I could not have been more wrong. The movie is earth-shatteringly awesome, so much so that I had to seriously reassess my impressions of footage I had seen earlier in the day of James Cameron's AVATAR, which did indeed look beautiful. But DISTRICT 9 will quite simply kick your ass so hard and with such conviction that your lungs will get lodged in our nostrils. From the documentary-like approach that makes up about the first third of the film (that device does not go all the way through the film) to the explosive violence that rips open the film's potential with about as much force as you can imagine, I was hooked into this story of aliens co-existing with humans in Johannesburg and a bureaucrat caught up in circumstances he could never have foreseen. God damn is this movie good! And the film ushers in one of the most promising new directors in recent memory. I'll have my full review on the film later, and interviews with Blomkamp and the film's lead actor Sharlto Copley soon. All of what I'm written so far is prologue to some time I got to spend with Jackson in San Diego the day after I saw DISTRICT 9 and he had the sit down with bloggers soon after. We didn't have a ton of time together and I did want to balance the questions between D-9 and THE HOBBIT, but I think I got a decent amount of information out of him about both works. As a final footnote to this story, I ran into Doug Jones (HELLBOY 1 & 2; PAN'S LABYRINTH; Silver Surfer in the second FANTASTIC FOUR film) later this same evening, and I jokingly asked him if he and Andy Serkis (who did the motion capture work for LORD OF THE RINGS and KING KONG) were preparing to battle over roles in THE HOBBIT. He laughed and said that he couldn't wait to work with Andy, and he hoped their would be a way the two could share a scene or two together. I'm not sure if that counts as a casting confirmation or not for those two. If it does, it might be the most obvious casting news of the year. But I'll take it. Enjoy my chat with Peter Jackson…
Capone: Was it fun to work as an independent again? I've talked to other directors who have directed or produced smaller films between big tent-pole projects just to remind themselves where they came from and to take a break from the pressure that come from $100 million films. Peter Jackson: Yeah, it was, because the pressure was a lot less. You do get a little bit overwhelmed with the responsibility when the budgets are huge, and it does lead you to have as much concern about making sure that you're not alienating too many people and that the film is going to have a broad appeal. With DISTRICT 9--it only cost $30 million; I don't know if $30 million is big or small--but compared to other films, it gives you a degree of freedom. And I kept saying to Neill, "It's never going to get as good as this, so enjoy it." And also the other thing I was trying to encourage him to do was be bold and crazy and just go for it. But he didn't need much encouragement, because he's an absolute sci-fi geek; he's a robot fan too.
Capone: Isn't one of his shorts about a robot secretary? PJ: ROBOT TEMP, yeah. He's really, really obsessed with anything robotic. That's one of his things. Capone: I had no idea that DISTRICT 9 was going to get that hardcore violent--and I was delighted to see that--but it kind of goes against the studio sensibility of what a summer release should be. It's not light and fluffy and PG-13. Were you looking to buck the trend? PJ: It's interesting because the film industry is in a really weird position at the moment. If I think about it too much, I get depressed because I don't think it's in a very good state, and we're all responsible for that; I'm not pointing fingers because it's easy to say "Oh, look at what the studios are doing." But it's the filmmakers as much as anybody; it's the authors of the of the movies, the writers and the directors. We're all got to be doing our part. And I think there's so much nervousness about dropping attendance, or so people say, and plummeting DVD sales that suddenly everyone is working from a defensive position. The creativity that's going into films is almost like playing a defensive game, instead of playing an attacking game.
And I think if anything, DISTRICT 9 has an attack element to it. We're basically saying, "We don't give a stuff about the risk; we don't care about how many people buy the DVDs." We just want to make a cool movie, which is great, and we were able to have that spirit. But I think that's in danger of getting lost, certainly in the larger-budget films. Everyone wants to create these little safe harbors, which are franchises. And you create your franchise, which is going to lead to three or four movies, and it'll all go to the bottom line and that goes to Wall Street. It's all this corporate stuff, and the film industry and the world of finance and Wall Street have all kind of blended in a way that's not good for creativity at the moment. Now, let's hope it's a cycle, because everything in the film industry seems to be a cyclic thing and hopefully we're just going through a bad patch. I think it's up to everybody, the filmmakers and the studios, to get a little bit more courage and fight against it, because I think we've all given into it a bit.
Capone: It's great that Neil doesn't have to deal with that his first time as a feature director. PJ: Well, the one thing that the industry does--that studios do and distributors and theater owners, the business side of the industry--is take note of success. And if DISTRICT 9 is successful--and it doesn't need to be hugely successful; it just needs to return a profit on $30 million--that will be a blip on the radar. Somebody will think, "Well, that movie did it right because it made a profit." It doesn't matter how small the profit is. Hopefully, in a way, that makes somebody a little braver about green-lighting a movie by somebody with Neil's talent. Hopefully, we can contribute in a tiny way to get a little more independence out of the film industry. Capone: I did want to ask you at least one question about THE HOBBIT. What people seemed to think was going to happen was: first film is the book, second film is the bridge. But based on what you said last night, that won't be the case. PJ: It was going to be the case, once. When we first started talking about the project, that was the assumption. I mean, everyone's sort of been watching this process as it was happening live as it was streaming down into your homes [laughs], but when we really looked at what we really had, we decided that we would just do THE HOBBIT. The good thing is, and I'll make sure I answer your next question--no one will throw you out--because I think it's worth explaining this. The good think about THE HOBBIT that is interesting and what we've really got our heads around now is that because Tolkien wrote THE HOBBIT first as a children's book, obviously, and then he went on 20 years later to publish THE LORD OF THE RINGS, and he drastically expanded his vision of Middle Earth by the time RINGS came out. And what is contained in LORD OF THE RINGS is a lot of retrospective information about the time of THE HOBBIT.
So when Gandalf disappears during THE HOBBIT, which is unexplained largely in the book, we learn later about the Necromancer and Sauron returning to Dol Guldur and Mirkwood. And there's all sorts of hints and appendices that have to do with the Necromancer and the trolls and the goblins in the mountains, all this political backstory that Tolkien was throwing in there that he was retrospectively applying to THE HOBBIT, which never made it into THE HOBBIT novel. And so what we got excited about when we really started looking at it was that as filmmakers, we can actually take his later expansion and we can apply it to THE HOBBIT and we can present THE HOBBIT as this view of what he was ultimately thinking about what was happening in that time, which is neither adapting THE HOBBIT in that simple form, nor is it really making stuff up either. It's actually blending together his material to present a kind of view of the world, which is larger than THE HOBBIT itself. And that's why it's going to take us two films to do that.
Capone: When I interviewed Viggo Mortensen last October, he had mentioned a sequence you shot with him and Liv Tyler that was a flashback to them as much younger people, dressed in elvish clothing and in their courting years. Might that be something you'd include in these new films, and are there other scenes like this filmed during LORD OF THE RINGS that you might be able to ues to tell THE HOBBIT story? Obviously, he hadn't heard from you or anybody else at the time… PJ: And he still hasn't [laughs]. There is one sequence. I obviously can't talk about what actors are in or out. We haven't gone to any actors and spoken to them and offered them the roles, with the exception of Ian [McKellen]. Guillermo had lunch with Ian McKellan, and obviously Andy Serkis we've been talking to a lot because of his role in TINTIN, so we've sort of been talking informally with Andy. But certainly the thing I remember reading in your interview with Viggo was that he said he'd hate for somebody else to be cast as Aragorn, and we would never do that to Viggo. If we wanted Aragorn to play a role in these films, it would be Viggo playing it, or we'd just write the character out and make him somebody else. There's no way that we'd ever recast anybody that we'd used in the trilogy. But it's the second movie that we're really looking at in terms of expanding the world a little bit, because of what I was explaining before. It is definitely possible that we may look at incorporating some characters that we see later in LORD OF THE RINGS into some of THE HOBBIT stuff. But who they are yet, we certainly haven't had any discussions with anybody yet. Capone: In my head, I imagine Andy Serkis and Doug Jones fighting over playing some of the same characters. PJ: [laughs] That's right. They can put their mo-cap [motion-capture] suits on and wrestle it out. Capone: Wonderful to meet you. Thank you so much. PJ: I hope we can get you down to New Zealand during some of the shooting. Capone: I'd like that immensely. Just tell me when. Thanks.
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  • July 28, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    Oh shut... I don't think I did that right.

  • July 28, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    by jimmy rabbitte

  • July 28, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    oh shit? Oh shut?

    by jimmy rabbitte

    and I don't know where that phantom, empty-fielded second post came from.

  • July 28, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by dulbeat

    NOthing else to say on the matter.

  • July 28, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by cartoonsmart

    You couldn't wriggle one single question in there regarding The Lovely Bones?

  • July 28, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Good Lord..


    I can't wait to see D9 and The Hobbit!

  • July 28, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    For as much as I don't care about LOTR

    by gnarwhal_evan

    Peter Jackson seems like a down guy and makes me actually really want to see the Hobbit for some reason. Don't know why. I just like the way he presents himself. And I am beyond excited for District 9!

  • July 28, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Wow, thin PJ looks like a Hobbit and

    by Stabby

    he's wearing the same clothes as fat PJ.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Man I want to see the Collector

    by Series7

    And District 9. July = Nothing worth seeing in theaters, how'd that happen? Aug is like jam packed with films. I guess studios were really scared of Harry's Potter, just took some gerbils to kick his ass.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    Quint, I thought you were a fan... <br> <br> Also, damn, PJ is looking old and frail these days.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by Mullah Omar damn, it was really Capone. I just automatically figured that Quint was the PJ go-to guy here.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Never recast?

    by cyberskunk

    "There's no way that we'd ever recast anybody that we'd used in the trilogy." <p> What about Bilbo?

  • July 28, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    by wildphantom07

  • July 28, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the Interview!

    by jasher78

    That was the meatiest interview I've seen with PJ about those films (I haven't heard his Con stuff yet). I appreciate him relating what info he did and you getting it! I'm really looking forward to a great slate of films from PJ, Lovely Bones, Hobbit, D9 & TinTin... awesome.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    This is starting to sound like

    by Series7

    The Twilight Zone, or other movies where the producers name is going to out shine the directors. <P> Anyone else getting that vibe? Those sort of projects don't turn out well. Hopefully this can be different.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    jackson needs to return precious

    by Six Demon Bag

    he looks bad...i mean too skinny.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for The Hobbit...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Like, seriously can't wait. December 2011? I'll have finally been driven insane by the blatant stupidity of the 21st century and leapt under a bus by then. Well whatever. And I VERY much agree with PJ's insightful comments on the utterly commercially-driven film industry. I too hope it comes back from the abyss, at which point we'll chop of Michael Bay's and JJ Abram's heads like Marie Antoinette, but I doubt it.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by mynemaborat

    i laughed out loud when i read the first sentence... "another in a long line of Comic-Con '09 panel reports, interviews, and just general groovy news"... did i miss something? where are all these reports and interviews hiding? on another site?

  • July 28, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Twitter duh!

    by Series7

  • July 28, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Guillermo is going to make a better work

    by ominus

    with Hobbit,than what PJ did with LOTR.i cant wait.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I think Avatar will make a lot of people realise just how bad blockbusters have been over the past decade. Let's hope theres an upswing in quality.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    D9 is going to flop.

    by ominus

    Scifi and R-rated? this is the 00s,not the 80s. <p>But regardless its boxoffice success,i applaud PJ for having the balls to put the creativity above sale numbers,and hoping that even a modest success is a small step for a more independet film industry.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I don't think D9 will flop

    by Series7

    Its gotten the best buzz out of Comic Con. Which usually means $$.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Like watchmen?

    by ominus

  • July 28, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Avatar's effects are being done by WETA.

    by Ringwearer9

    Which means no eyeball fucking will be forthcoming. As with LOTR, a lot was promised, but we got the crappy looking cave troll. Yeah, gollum looked good, but I suspect Cameron wanted Gollum level excellence, only more colorful, and WETA won't deliver that.<br> Are D9's effects being done by WETA? Figures. All the aliens looked grey and mechanical. Right up WETA's shitty CGI alley.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    PJ looks like he's deflating

    by HaterofCrap


  • July 28, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I think PJ owns WETA?

    by ominus

    if true,it would have been a bit ridiculous not to use his own company for the effects,dont u think?

  • July 28, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    As for THE HOBBIT

    by Ringwearer9

    It's bad that Jackson is involved, but I have (a few small) hopes that Guillermo will direct it away from (too much) dwarf tossing.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    RE: "Guillermo is going to make a better work"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Actually, Guillermo is my primary concern at this point. With regards to THE HOBBIT, I'm not entirely sure he is the man for the job. I guess it all depends on which Guillermo shows up in the end. And the idea of tackling the script in the manner which Jackson has described here is a difficult challenge; one that could result in a tonally mixed film. Let's hope it does justice to THE HOBBIT while still feeling like a part of the world created for Jackson's LOTR.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    DISTRICT 9 = Sleeper hit of the summer?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    From what I've been reading (Moriarty, CHUD, etc.), it just might be.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    So its not just the studios.

    by #1 Zero

    Well at least Peter Jackson didn't just blame the studios and tried to say that creators are just selling out too. To me, though, if a creator comes with something to a studio that isn't commercial his chances of it getting made are weak. Its unfortunate but true. And I don't think that not creating something commercial is biting the hand that feeds you (the studio) but at the very least it is refusing the food the hand gives to you. I know he said he hopes it is cyclical but I think it was hard even during the independant boom of the 90's for filmmakers to really make what they wanted. And the 90's were basically a product of Miramax and now the Weinsteins are flailing unless I'm misinformed. Sure the studios made their independant "arms" (Fox Searchlight, Paramount Vantage and so on) but they folded and why? Becuase the movies they made didn't make money except for maybe Juno. So its kind of economics as to why tentpole movies and franchise movies are the only ones getting made. Indie movies still cost money (I'm sure Daniel Day Lewis didn't work cheap on there will be blood) plus fewer people see them equals no off beat creative movies get greenlit. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing. Even the independant movies that do come out seem to be trying to duplicate a formula. The savages, Juno, Away We Go all seem to just try to capitalize on offbeat characters or families and there is just kind of a dark quirky humor to them. I'd like to see more independants like the Wrestler and There will be blood but those don't make money. Also, it seems that most indies now are released multiplatform on demand, in video stores and at the theater at the same time just to get any kind of audience at all. And that doesn't seem to work that great either.

  • July 28, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode


  • July 28, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ironic that you would make such statements about AVATAR, DISTRICT 9, and WETA. Apparently, the majority of people who actually SAW footage from both films have been claiming that DISTRICT 9's effects are more impressive than AVATAR's. I don't know how that's possible considering their individual price tags but it sounds like eyeball fuckery is indeed on its way...via two films.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    No worries about WETA

    by moseaphus

    They had a crash course through LOTR and everything still managed to look incredible. I'd imagine they've only improved since 2003.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, it depends on what kind of effects.

    by Ringwearer9

    If WETA is trying to realistically portray grey-colored armored insectoid characters, in a dull burnt out slum, it's got an easier job on it's hands with District 9, because that's all District 9 requires. Avatar was supposed to show us fully organic, full color fur and/or skin, in a fully realized lush, rich, alien environment. Do I think WETA can pull THAT off? No, I don't. I'm sure they promised the moon to Jackson, but, of course, they lied. But they got the job, and the moolah, even if Cameron is crying into his shirtsleeve over it.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah and RE5 has better graphics than

    by ominus

    Killzone2.the same shit from ignorant people.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    "I'm sure they promised the moon to Cameron"

    by Ringwearer9

    Is what I meant to type.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I Has Be Seriously Reassess

    by filegumbo

    Capone, you are a wordsmith, so much so that "I has be seriously reassess" my own proficiency with the English language. Plus, 'ol P.J. looks like he's wasted away and needs some style tips.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Why do you think WETA can't pull off a "fully realized lush, rich, alien environment"? They've clearly showed that they are better at creating organic environments as opposed to metallic futuristic ones ala ILM. Besides, I don't believe you've seen the AVATAR footage - those who have said that the planetary aspects were incredible (so far, more so than the mo-cap avatars).

  • July 28, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by frongbak

    Had the best Special Effects of any movie this summer/year. Who handled their stuff?

  • July 28, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by frongbak

    Yep, still the best.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Primarily ILM which I'm sure farmed out to Bay's company and a few others. It's been noted that the rendering on that film was a BITCH.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by frongbak

    This is the 2nd recent talkback slamming JJ Abrams, didn't he solidify his status with the best Star Trek in 20-something years?

  • July 28, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    D9 vs Avatar

    by frongbak

    D9 trailer looks like alot of practical effects which is a huge advantage. Avatar is going to be a exponentially more difficult world to create.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Anyone Watch...

    by frongbak

    The Mutant Chronicles on SyFy? I really didn't think it would be that bad, what a POS.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by Deep Roots

    is it just me, or is PJ looking more and more Spielberg-y all the time? put a baseball cap and glasses on him and we'll decide.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius, the word I've been seeing is "cartoony"

    by Ringwearer9

    As far as AVATAR goes. Like very expensive computer game graphics. "Not photoreal" which is what people were expecting.<br><br> If I can explain a little better ... Gollum from LOTR looked really good in overcast daylight and night scenes, and in the overcast murk of Mordor. But if you put him in the full color daylight of Hobbiton, from the first film, he'd look like an effect, if they didn't dull down the colors and the clarity to smooth out the differences.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Ringy - "Cartoony" as in Devin Faraci?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    He's the only one I've seen say that and he's usually given over to hyperbole when he's already adversed to something. But the effects requirements of AVATAR vs. D9 are completely different. You should read what Devin and Moriarty have to say about both films and how they interpreted the effects for each. It's an interesting comparison.<P>Regarding Gollum, you are largely correct. But as an organic character, he trounces the CGI Yoda and at times, he even looks better than KK which came out much later. With the exception of Davy Jones (and some other crusty pirates) from POTC, I really can't think of an organic character rendered by ILM that can compare with WETA's accomplishments.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius Re: Guillermo

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I'm totally with you. I intensely LOVE Pan's Labyrinth but both Hellboy movies were uneven bullshit imho. However, with Jackson producing that means he'll be doing quality control and we won't get Dwarves singing Barry Manilow. Just the thought of getting to see the Battle of the Five Armies (not too mention Smaug) put on film is crazy. I just hope they don't get John Rhy Davies or Ron Perlman to voice Smaug. Enough already, find some new talent!

  • July 28, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I will aways read PJ interviews on AICN

    by jimbojones123

    I will always just read the info on Hobbit and skip the rest. Wow, to participate in this project in a return to Middle Earth is so very exciting. I'll take a trip to NZ for a background role for sure!

  • July 28, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I think the bigger problem for Avatar will be the surrealness

    by bullet3

    I haven't seen the footage to comment on it, but regardless of how greatly they do the effects (and I'm sure the work will be terrific), it won't be able to convince you because of the outlandish look of everything. Its the same problem as the hulk, no matter how well it's done, you still aren't going to trick the brain on something so crazy looking. ILM has a much easier job with something like transformers, because at the end of the day, the robots are made out of the kinds of parts you're used to seeing, so it adds a believability to it. I'm really looking forward to see how well they manage to pull it off nonetheless.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Does any writer on this site read their first draft?

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    God, it is getting really hard to comprehend half the shit that is posted on this site. Hire a fucking editor, for god's sakes, or at least re-read your work before you post it guys. Come on. You guys make most of the posters on talk-backs look like grammatical geniuses and we dont even have an edit button. I has be seriously reassess what the fuck you are talking about.

  • July 28, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Uh, yeah, Devin Faraci.

    by Ringwearer9

    He's the one who called it cartoony. He is a douche, though.<br><br> I'll have to read Moriarty's comments on it, but I've learned from long experience to distrust anything he says. He's a hype-boy first and a critic last.<br><br> As far as ILM doing an impressive organic CGI character ... a lot of people forget, because of their hate for the character, that "Jar Jar Binks" was an impressive organic character, even more so than the impressive Gollum, because he looked convincing against what looked like sunlit photography. Of course, he was colored to match the primary location he would be seen in, the desert of Tatooine, but still ...

  • July 28, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Biting my tongue slightly.

    by Ringwearer9

    As far as calling ole Moriarty a "hype boy". I don't think he knowingly tries to "hype" something he doesn't love. But he does get caught up in the idea of being at the cutting edge of technology and what-not, and falling in love with the people behind the film, and losing sight of what the final product is when it hits his eyeballs.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Ringwearer9- Jar Jar wasn't convincing at all

    by bullet3

    To compare that with Gollum is insulting. And what's with your vendetta against WETA? Have we come to the point now that we have fanboys picking favorite effects studios for christsakes?!

  • July 28, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    No - WETA are patchy!

    by LightninBolt

    ILM are proven masters for years and have a much higher quality of work. That's a fact, ask anyone who works in FX.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    i wasn't aware

    by Deep Roots

    that there was anyone who thought Kong was a shitty effect. that's news to me. I've always thought he was thus far a rather high point of digital effects. am I wrong?

  • July 28, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    CG Ages Bad

    by christian66

    Which is the dirty secret of this spfx. Jar Jar looks bad now, as Gollum will in a few years, not taking away Serkis or Jackson's excellence. And old CG does not have the post-shelf charm of stop-motion. A word of warning.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, I liked the first HELLBOY film. However, I think I'm maybe one of 5 people who genuinely disliked HELLBOY 2. I thought it was a complete waste of time and a genuine step back for Del Toro. Frankly, I wasn't that impressed with the CGI/practical effects (aka the Troll Market) in that film either. I didn't really see how it differed from other FX loaded films at that time.<P>If Jackson's LOTR hadn't already shown us what a massive battle could look like, I'd be more jazzed about the Battle of Five Armies. But I'm really looking forward to it even though the book doesn't really describe it to any great degree.<P>As for Smaug... THE VOICE IS CRUCIAL!!! I've been leaning towards someone like Ian McShane. I think his voice has got the depth and the gravel; he could be perfect for pulling off some of that devilishly sly dragon stuff.<P>I'm trying to think of who else could possibly fit the bill...

  • July 28, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Holy shit are you reaching when you attack Weta. If you have issues with the way PJ wanted Middle-earth to look, fine, but to shit on a superb effects company for delivering what PJ wanted and accusing them of not being able to create things such as, oh I don't know, the right shade of orange for CGI fire shows yet again just what an empty, predictable and tubthumping tool you are. <p> I look forward to kicking your weak ass full time in TB when Avatar and The Hobbit come out.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    RE: Jar Jar Binks

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    There is no way he is more impressive than Gollum. Even in a bright sunlit shot, he comes off as rubbery and 2-dimensional. That's one thing WETA got right with Gollum was the illusion of depth with his face.<P>Don't get me started on the lousy CGI environment ILM came up with for that battle on Naboo or whatever. The cookie-cutter Gungans against the bright green grassy fields are kind of embarrassing to look at.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    I hate typos as much as the next grammar nazi, but you ended your tirade against a lack of proofreading with the sentence, "I has be seriously reassess what the fuck you are talking about."<p>i can has proofreedin?

  • July 28, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    He still looks "deflated"

    by Anything But Tangerines

    it's just distracting

  • July 28, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    "...the right shade of orange for CGI fire..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh yes! God forbid Jackson actually use THE REAL COLOR OF FIRE FOR CGI FIRE!!!

  • July 28, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    That was a line from this very article that had me scratching my head and so irritated that I just had to bitch about it in a talkback. I guess I should have put the "I has be seriously reassess" in quotes. Also, it is so hard to write sarcasm.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Smaug? Nicol Williamson springs to mind

    by palimpsest

    Maybe Sam Neill, Brian Cox, perhaps Richard Attenborough in TEN RILLINGTON PLACE mode. But I think I'd get Williamson out of retirement.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Andy Serkis' Gollum should have been nominated...

    by TheWaqman

    it was too risky for the "too-safe" Academy though. But it would be a mile-stone. First CGI character to be nominated. But then again, he did all the mo-cap and acting. Great performance though.

  • July 28, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I second Ian McShane.

    by DocPazuzu

    He should do it in full, ice-cold Teddy Bass mode like his character in Sexy Beast.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Also, that gif in the left corner...

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    is about a month too late. And that old bastards' house would have never gotten off the ground if Harry were loitering on his front porch. Thank god he had that trusty shotgun.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Brian Cox for Smaug!

    by TheWaqman

    That would be great. Please no Sean Connery though, Dragonheart all over again, regardless of the quality of The Hobbit. Also I'm probably the only one unhappy of GDT's directing duty for this film. Of course Peter Jackson is an ideal choice, but he wasn't going to do it. Lets just hope Guillermo is put on a leash. His english-film efforts have been fucking awful. If the Hobbit becomes Hellboy 2 I'm getting a gun.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    District 9 looks incredible....

    by TheWaqman

    I'm expecting it to be my second-favorite film of the year (so far). Behind "The Hurt Locker" of course.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    ILM too large or movies require too much CGI

    by Sweet Action Hero

    to the point where 'teams' are assigned different scenes. and let's face it some teams are better than others.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    haha jobs_are_for_wimps

    by ominus

    exactly my thoughts when i saw it

  • July 28, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I know the rumors are bullshit

    by NoQuarter

    but I would still totally be down with David Tennant as Bilbo.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Yes, that would certainly be ideal. Here's hoping...

  • July 28, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson sets my heart a flutter

    by OutlawsDelejos

    He just loves film making, pure and simple.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Word on the effects of D9 and Avatar

    by TurdontheRun

    District 9's effects are NOT being done by Weta. They are being done by ImageWorks and some other company. Apparently Jackson asked them, but due to their enormous workload on Avatar they told him to take a hike. Turned away by his own effects company!<p>Avatar IS being done by Weta primarily, but specific aspects of the effects work have been farmed out to ILM and Digital Domain.<p>As for any comparisons, they are more than a bit ridiculous, and really go to show the ignorance of greasy shitsacks like Devin Faraci. You can watch the trailers and TV spots for District 9 right now. The effects look cool, but in NO WAY photorealistic. It's a $30 million film, and the effects look great by that yardstick, but that's all. It does look like a cool movie, though, and Blompkamp is definitely one to watch.<p>As for Avatar, what is being attempted there is something on an unprecendented scale and not even remotely comparable in intention to D9. Avatar is a 60% live action/ 40% animated movie, endeavouing to create photo real alien environments, creatures and characters. D9 is simply putting some practical and CG effects in a 'real world' documentary context, which is a much easier task. We've seen stuff like that before, such as the opening Tripod reveal in Spielberg's War of the Worlds, where fantastical elements were integrated in a real setting with smoke, and some degree of shakey cam/ documentary feel to create a 'realistic' look.<p> And yes, it was Faraci - who's apparently got an agenda against Fox - who said Avatr looked 'cartoony', and offered up absurd comparisons to D9 thus. He was then hilariously reprimanded by an open letter from an irate Avatar crew member. Faraci is an ignorant cunt, and should be spit-roasted. Word from around the web is that Avatar looks jaw-dropping (don't just look to the same 2 or 3 sites for opinions). Actually, one of the posters here- Cenobite, I think - said he saw the Comic Con footage and that the effects were FAR from video-game cut scenes, so it seems that this is the latest exaggerated nonsense from idiot webmasters and bloggers(who really wield totally disprapotionate influence to their actual knowledge and authority). Just like District 9, which has its own trailers, you can judge for yourself on Aug 21st, when Avatar gets its trailer, and not have to rely on the heresay and skewed opinions of others.

  • July 28, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    "Wouldn't recast anyone from the trilogy..."

    by bbbbeeeennnn

    I'm guessing the exception to that is Ian Holmes' Bilbo?

  • July 28, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Cast me Peter Jackson!

    by SecretDwarfHooker

    I'm 32, but I look 9 years old. I can be... Whatever you want me to... Just as long as that stupid Vera Farmiga doesn't get in my way...

  • July 28, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by NoQuarter

    Okay, you're Peter Jackson! Proper comma usage is your friend. ;)

  • July 28, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    If you're going to flirt with a 32 year old woman

    by SecretDwarfHooker

    who looks like a 9 year old due to proportional dwarfism and used to be a hooker, then be less coy. I'm talking to you, NoQuarter.

  • July 28, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    State of the industry.

    by hallmitchell

    At least Peter tries to give the audience something different everytime he puts his name on a film. Look at the films put out this year. Which are just grabs for cash at the laziest way possible. T4, Wolverine, Transformers 2, Watchmen. Massive dissapointments and I only saw Watchmen. Art is always exciting when it's risky. Brando, Beatles, Elvis etc. Sequels in general breed safety. Take some risks. You might generate some excitement again.

  • July 28, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Jackson is a bore


    This guy could put you to sleep. Anytime he spoke at the District 9 panel in San Diego you almost fell asleep. He is BORING! The director and the star were much cooler cats, joking around and laughing. Jackson, boring as ever, hardly even smiled as the other two were joking around. What kind of asshole doesn't even politely laugh along? Real douchebag. The LOTR series got worse with each fim. FOTR was great, TTT was pretty good, and ROTK was not good at all. King Kong was abysmal, like terribly awful.

  • July 28, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    ...and his whinny bitch ass<P> I hope Avatar flops just for the brainwashed rabid fanboys who can't shut the fuck up.<P> Game changer" revolutionary" epic masterpiece "dreaming with your eyes open" photo real" future of film" the next Star Wars".....AWWW HORSESHIT! I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM PPL WHO SAW FOOTAGE AT COMIC CON...idiots. <P> The Na'vi look terrible <P> I've read better reviews for District 9 and Where the Wild Things Are then this 300 million dollar cartoon.

  • July 28, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    District 9 = stiffy.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Seriously, the more we hear about this film, the more I can't wait to see it. Fuck Avatar, it looks incredibly meh so far, and the 'fuck eyeballs' shit has put me off on it;s own. And I like Cameron. Beyond that, The Hobbit? Not for me thanks.

  • July 28, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Secret Dwarf Hookers = stiffy for Peter Sarsgard

    by SecretDwarfHooker

  • July 28, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    District 9 trailer caught me off guard

    by Bass Ackwards

    That first teaser I was genuinely watching a film about refugees, then the reveal of the ship, then the reveal of the alien, had my jaw on the floor just cause I was totally caught iff guard. Probably the first time a trailer has done that to me. I'm glad to hear it's not faux-documentary all the way through, can't wait to see it in theaters.

  • July 28, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by Bass Ackwards

    Yes, hyperbole exists on the internet, get used to it. Though extreme fanboy indignation exists on the internet too, so I guess I should get used to that.

  • July 28, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Tolkien’s wish is fulfilled…

    by morGoth

    …his there and back again tale told in full…as he last imagined it. As even he was to find out, it just wasn’t The Hobbit anymore. And with that goes a faithful re-telling of the story.<p>I can’t wait…lummee, it’s going to be a long three years!

  • July 28, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    everyone I talked to who saw District 9


    freakin loved it. I can't wait to see it myself.

  • July 28, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST



    I saw Avatar in room H and it WAS some awesome stuff. STFU already.

  • July 28, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Brian Cox for Thorin Oakenshield!!

    by performingmonkey

    Seriously, no-one is more right for that role. It's just a case of whether he'd want to do it. The main roles will be Bilbo, Thorin, Gandalf, Tharanduil (king of the elves, Legolas's father), Bard (they'll seriously expand his role), Balin, Bombur (fat comedy dwarf), Beorn, the voice of Smaug, Gollum, the Goblin king, Galadriel, Elrond and Saruman (other members of the White Council, who we will see due to them using Tolkien's appendices). The films should have a really FRESH feel and I think the first one should end with the Dwarves being captured by the Elves and also Gandalf being imprisoned in Sauron's dugeons (these two things didn't happen at the same time but for the purposes of the movies they CAN!!)

  • July 28, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "Move, you old fool!"


    "Old fool?" I loved listening to the record over and over again... as I recall, side 2 began with the giant spiders. I wonder at what point they will come in. Climax of the first film?

  • July 28, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Ian McShane...hmmmm.

    by morGoth

    He's certainly got the timbre and his voice just has that kind of ee-vul purr like a big kitty kat. Dam staight...pure Tevildo, it's the essence of Smaugdom on Arda.

  • July 28, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    CAPONE: VIP Question

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    How is it that when you are in a room with Peter Jackson and he says he would love for you to visit the set of his new Hobbit film you don't run around the room naked like a little girl wiping shit all over the walls going bugnuts crazy right then and there? How very lucky! lol

  • July 28, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks for all the details regarding the effects houses. Good work there, sir. And I did see that open letter by the AVATAR crew member. I don't know what was funnier...the evisceration of Faraci or Faraci's all too casual dismissal of it.

  • July 28, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "AVATAR EPIC FAIL...<P>Uh, wrong. Not yet anyway.<P>Quote: "...FUCK G@BRIEL GR@Y".<P>Holy shit. Where did you see G@BRIEL GR@Y?! Is that nutbag loose on the web again???

  • July 28, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hell yeah, I know you're looking forward to this one. Good to see you on the boards.

  • July 28, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    I second Brian Cox for Thorin Oakenshield.

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    And I suggest Ian McNeice as Bombur. Also, Brendan Gleeson as one of them, preferably Balin but I don't particularly care which one.

  • July 28, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    re: morGoth

    by Ingeld

    It will be a long three years, but a long three years of all that fun we had waiting for the trilogy movies. Speculating about about casting, plot changes, settings, effects, etc. And three years of looking forward to getting images or clips taken from the movie. We tailenders had a lot of fun. --Bjarki

  • July 28, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by TheWaqman

    Great post! You explained it nicely. People will definitely be gobsmacked when the Avatar trailer hits. Personally I think the comparisons between District 9 and Avatar are unfair. They are both clearly completely different films. But I guess, they are great sci-fi (and when people think Star Trek is the best sci-fi film in a long time, it's a sad day) so they warrant the comparison. Can't wait for both films.

  • July 28, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Anybody ever ask Jackson where Old Zealand went?

    by SoylentMean

    I mean they have a new one. <P> I don't care what you all think about Peter Jackson but damn, he has got to be one of the most important figures in filmmaking of the past decade. <P> While I wasn't exactly enamored of the novel The Lovely Bones I am excited to see how Jackson turns that book into a movie. <P>

  • July 28, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    The effects in District 9 vs Avatar.

    by one_guy_from_andromeda_

    How can we compare them before we've seen the finished products? By the trailer and Comic-Con footage? Ok. Avatar is handling effects in a way that's completely different from District 9, in terms of how JC can visualize the whole scene AS HE FILMS IT, cgi included, and it looks vastly superior for it -Because of the freedom given to the director, he can simply forget that he's dealing with cgi and just shoot like he would do any 100& live action scene. That's what's making all the bigshot directors, and lovers of cinema interested. This means, for example, now Peter Jackson can reclaim his shaky camera style of direction while filming cgi intensive scenes, the same goes for Sam Raimi...and John Woo, imagine John Woo's camera style with cgi intensive scenes. Imagine a LOTR Trilogy with cgi scenes filmed in Peter Jacksons handheld camera style. Directors can, for the first time since the introduction of cgi heavy scenes, leave their mark on how material is shown in the frame, regardless of how cgi intensive it is! Remember how you could look at scenes and kinda figure out what director had shot them? Well, those days are coming back, baby! -All thanks to Avatar's revolutionary camera work, and seamless CGI-Real world integration. And, honestly, how can you compare the raytracing on robots, spaceships and buildings, and the shiny exoskeletons of insects to that of the organic look of Avatar, i mean have you even seen the high definition image that was released? Did you see the pores? The tear duct, the way the tear film rests over the conjunctiva? Amazing stuff, for sure. Avatar IS a gamechanger, because it means 100% director control of what goes in the frame, how can any film lover not be exited?

  • July 28, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Put on some weight. Oh, and D9 looks boring.

  • July 28, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    From all the buzz surrounding District 9 Halo will follow

    by SoylentMean

    I'm not really into first person shooters since they tend to make me feel nauseous but from what I've played of Halo I did enjoy it. It obviously has a fanbase and it would be nice to see a decent movie based on a videogame. <P> From what I've heard and read on District 9 it has easily become one of my most anticipated films of this year. Funnily enough the upcoming movie 9 is also pretty high on my list. <P> Hopefully these creative, non-mainstream films will become hits and studios will start to pay attention. <P> That observation/hope of Jackson really stands out, because I subscribe to that notion wholeheartedly.

  • July 28, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    We need Half-Life movie more than Halo...

    by TheWaqman

    Halo is quite an overrated series. It did really reignite the console FPS revolution, but Half-Life series is just so much better and has more quality in it's story. That would be a kickass adaptation. Children of Men really reminded me of it.

  • July 28, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by Traumnovelle

    Pete's pulling a Steve Jobs.

  • July 28, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Casting the White Council.

    by mortsleam

    Saruman the White: Chris Lee. Film him now before he croaks. Gandalf the Grey: Ian McKellan. Por supuesto. Radagast the Brown: Michael Gambon. It would be a great treat. A wink and a nod. Dumblebore means bumblebee. Radagast was a moth in LOTR. Just give it to us. Pallando: Nicol Williamson in his Merlin garb. Alatar: Uhm... who's left? Is Peter O'Toole still creaking about? Maybe Jeremy Irons? David Warner? I'm frankly uneasy about cramming a bunch of 'serious' backstory into a children's book and expanding it to two movies. I thought the idea of movie 1 focusing on Bilbo and the dwarves and being all sparkly and movie 2 focusing on Gandalf and the Necromancer and being a darker "bridge" made more sense. Yo morGy. 'Sup?

  • July 28, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    JC redefined film...

    by BassReflex

    People seem to forget that JC's movies were roller coasters that made going to the movies an incredible experience.

  • July 28, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST


    by quentintarantado

    I know for a long time grammar isn't exactly a high priority in this website, but I believe it's "peek", not "peak" Capone meant to use. Just like (most common error of all), you use "it's" for "it is" and not "its" (that's use to show ownership, like "its color is red").

  • July 29, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Petey, were you on crack when you cast Jack Black?

    by Uncle Stan

    Denham was the best character in the original. Your interpretation and Black's lack of talent pulled the film down.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    just tried to watch star wars panel on g4

    by I am the most horrible

    Olivia Munn acts like a fucking douche.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    She IS a fucking douche

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, she has nice boobs, but she just grates on my nerves.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson should make something original

    by darthvedder81

    That's not schlocky horror or low-budget puppet porn. Until then he will never be in the same league as Spielberg/Lucas/Cameron et al.

  • July 29, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Combining all the 'unseen' machinations of Gandalf, The Necromancer et al into a comprehensive timeline. What a kick ass idea to pull it all together into a more comprehensive picture for the more casual fan.<p> Tolkien's vision was so far reaching you really needed a decoder ring and a family tree to tie it all together and this is a cool way to honor the depth of his work if they can pull it off.<p> Mark my words there will be fan boy hysterics over PJ leaving out some archaic detail about the pattern of the Necromancer's robe stitchings or altered dialogue somewhere and invariably damning PJ for even attempting it.

  • July 29, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST


    by Mr.LordBronco

    Tell me it ain't gonna happen and i believe it-but... if this hobbit thing works out...

  • July 29, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Not to go off topic, but I just saw Transformers 2...

    by strosmer

    I theater hopped from The Hangover. No way I was going to give money to Bay. And yet I did pay a price. "Flaming turd" was too kind a review, Harry. Not only have I lost a part of my soul watching that abortion of a movie, I've also lost all faith in humanity. Nearly $400 mil domestic take is a clear testament to the dumbing down of our society. The powers that be have succeeded. All hope is lost. I'm going to go slash my wrists now and pray there is a Hell that Bay may rot in it. You hear me Bay, you undiscerning, morally bankrupt, sack of shit?! I know I'm being self-righteous here, but fuck it, your complete and utter disregard for the fact that young children watch these movies (and you know they are going to see it despite the rating) - you are the mark of virtue, sir. Must be nice not have a care in the world, eh? May you die at the hands of Werner Herzog!<p>The Hangover was pretty funny though. Packed theater too! Granted, it was $6 movie night, but still, that's a good showing after all these weeks. A tip of the hat to Mr. Phillips, not so much for creating a successful comedy as for the deal he worked out with the studio. 100% ownership rights in lieu of director's fee if it earned more than $100 mil? Dude is set for life off of DVD sales alone. Well done, sir, well done.

  • July 29, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Modern cinema..

    by MajorFrontbum absolute shit. District 9, looks absolutely stupid and the cricket was hilarious in the trailer!

  • July 29, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by GetEveryone

    I think you coolest thing about what you said is that a lot of it looks practical, but director Neill Blomkamp came from a VFX background; it was decided that mostly all the effects would be painted in afterwards.<P>Surely then, if we are mistaking CGI for practical, it is a real step forward.

  • July 29, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Source for the above is the recent Empire

    by GetEveryone

    interview with Jackson and Blomkamp.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:03 a.m. CST

    And for all the moaning about this year

    by GetEveryone

    we have:<P>Coraline, Drag Me To Hell, Moon, Watchmen, The Hurt Locker, Avatar, District 9, Public Enemies, Star Trek (arguably), UP and more.<P>Granted, there's been a lot of fluff, but there is still been quality output to enjoy.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    how did the reviewers of aicn start the pseudonym thing

    by animas

    I'm sure it has been discussed before but do these guys approach an interview like this introducing themselves "hi I am Capone from aint it cool news" ? It would be like me calling myself animas i.e. pretentious and weird.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST


    by GetEveryone

    "Which are just grabs for cash at the laziest way possible." - Watchmen<P>The end result may elicit varying opinions on its quality, but Snyder manage to pull WB round to the idea of a three-hour, hard-R, comic-book satire and then created about as close and loving an adaptation as one could imagine.<P>Lazy and money-grabbing it wasn't. Pretty unfair to bunch it with the rest, dude.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    olivia munn

    by animas

    add me to the list of those who hate her personality. I like that girl Blair on G4, she seems like a real nerd.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST


    by Gorgomel

  • July 29, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    i agree geteveryone...

    by iwasredempted

    there are some minuses but overall watchmen was a pretty good film. it wasn't a blockbuster but i doubt it lost money. also, the returns from theaters isn't really a concern since this isn't set up to be a "moneygrab" franchise. for some fans they finally got a movie version of a visionary comic.<br>the comic was a 12 issue miniseries, very episodic in nature. if snyder had not stayed so true to the comic it probably would have been better received by the general public and thus giving some haters even more ammunition.

  • July 29, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST


    by GetEveryone

    Definitely. It probably would have worked better as a televised mini-series, but what Snyder put on film is still one of my favourites of the year. For all that I hate 300, and I passionately despise it, Watchmen is a good film and a great step forward for him as a director. Hopefully, people will look back on it in a positive light.<P>As for Box-Office, it grossed 180 odd million on a 130 million budget; not a massive success, but it didn't flop like many claim. Given it has been top of the Amazon dvd sales, it should make back even more in that format with the anticipation of the Director's Cut etc.

  • July 29, 2009, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Greetings Mr. Nice Gaius and Ingeld...

    by morGoth

    ...good to be back though I've been lurking professionally .<p>Hah, Bjarki, you going to go full Hirsute and try out for Beorn?

  • July 29, 2009, 5:39 a.m. CST


    by morGoth

    Iffen it ain't the I live and breath! Rest assured the origami Balrog is still in good shape O Flipperd One.<p>Yes, looks like the book-faithful have lost out this time and we'll see another stuffed flick. I must say that the thought of Gandalf and Thorin's "chance meeting" shown onscreen has me excited. Let's just hope the assault on DolGuldur doesn't turn into an hour long Helms Deep II and overshadows the Battle of Five Armies.

  • July 29, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Buscemi should be Smaug.

    by Sal_Bando

    You know it'd rock. <p> I liked the F/X for Jar-Jar, just-hated Everything else about him. GAG. <p> Sir Petey Jax made some really good movies w/ the Trilogy. C'mon Ringy it's not that bad as all that. The Big Monkey in Jurassic_Kong was fun too-just, again, Most of the movie has over-selfindulgent Shitfest written all over it as much as the Mummy II or Spidey III. <p> Yes I know I'm the resident Big Robots Hitting Each Other fan. Yes that's got shitfest written all over it too-but it's MY shitfest, so-there ya be. <p> Like Cloverfield and Hellboy Too are Harold's. See? Oh and Watchmen, Cabin Fever, etc.

  • July 29, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    The age of 'fluff'

    by MajorFrontbum

    is here people. There are no more good films. The 21st Century is one huge let down as far as films go and I have not seen any new or original ideas in cinema, that impress me at all. All they do is turn books into films. Not even literature's poor cousin, the 'Comic Book' is left out of this vomit fest. 1980's kid's cartoons, that were better left in the past, come to haunt our screens with big budgets and flashy CGI, but alas, they are all pathetic childish nonsense, that will look and sound incredibly dated by next week and everyone will forget anyway as they wait for the next 'big thing' to 'wow' then for another seven days. Then there are the remakes and the remakes of remakes and then the remakes of last years remake - not to mention the pointless reboots. When does the crap fest end. Sadly, it won't and the original ideas that do make it out, are all piss and wind flicks like The Matrix, Cloverfield and District 9 which features (of all things) a giant cricket! The age of fluff is here to stay!

  • July 29, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Well, Sal...

    by DocPazuzu could always hope for a remake of King Kong Escapes, directed by Michael Bay and produced by PJ. Just think of it -- a big monkey (wowee wowee) and a big mecha-monkey (clanging balls optional) fucking shit up on an epic scale! <p> Jack Black dies in the first scene.

  • July 29, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    That'd rock PaZooz. Iron Kong transforms into--

    by Sal_Bando

    ----CGI 100' Gilbert Gottfried in an Orc suit and tights. There's something just Horribly wrong w/ all that-but it'd be good. <p> WOWEE WOWEE WOW WOWSERS---A BIG JEWISH ORC!!!

  • July 29, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Doc pazuzu

    by ChoclateWoman

    Your posts make me so juicy when I read then. Please feel to engage in virtual sex with me over this forum.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    District 9... can't wait to see it

    by turketron_2

    I had heard virtually nothing about that movie before a few weeks ago, was there ever any articles about it on this site? I've seen a shitload of Avatar hype with each little image that got out, but nothing about this awesome looking movie.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    This one's all skinny and shit.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • July 29, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I thought they'd be wrapping up by now. What's taking so damn long.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Give WETA credit where due. That character (and owing to Andy Serkis' superb work too, of course) was mesmerizing. Bests anything Lucas and Lucasfilm has ever done.

  • July 29, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Gollum was a fucking cartoon, BSB.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Puppet Yoday in Empire was 1000 times more convincing. WETA create great effects, no doubt, but let's not go overboard - Gollum at no point looked like a living, breathing creature - it looked like what it was, CGI. Good CGI yes, for the time, but it still tok me out of the moment in every scene in a way physical effect work never used to. Fuck, give me the puppets from Labyrinth or the Muppets, I can invest more reality in them than I can in any CGI from the LotR trilogy.

  • July 29, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST

    PJ's love of WWI aviation + District 9

    by AsimovLives

    is quite evident. In an earlier script for his King Kong, the lead human male character Bristol was a WWI airplane fighter pilot, and there was a long air battle including a dramatic crash at the script's begining. And it was not a very good script, i'm affraid.<br><br>And it's kinda freaky to see PJ so thin! But good for him, he's thinking of his health.<br><br>And like so many in her,e i'm also terribly ansious to see District 9.<br><br>Where is the resident south african guy (you know, the guy called "southafricanguy"), where is he? He guys must be busting with patriotic pride about that movie.

  • July 29, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    CGI Gollum

    by AsimovLives

    While i was never fooled it was anything but CGI, it was very good stuff enough for me to suspend my disbelief and stop noticing it was not real.

  • July 29, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What's taking so long? The fact that that movie will every hardous and difficult to make. Consider that PJ and Co started working on LOTR's pre-production since 1996 and only started shooting the thing in 1999. Think about that.

  • July 29, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    chief concerns about the hobbit

    by rsdrum

    1) A December 2012 release for the second film means we will all be contending with (according to the Mayans) THE END OF THE WORLD. I'd sure hate to miss that second film due to an apocalypse. 2) Martin Freeman for Bilbo!

  • July 29, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    but this isnt gonna be 3 long ass films..more like two 2+1/2 hour films. it should be cake.

  • July 29, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Aragorn couldn't be in The Hobbit as played by Viggo.

    by rev_skarekroe

    He was only 10 years old during the events of the book.

  • July 29, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Eyeball fuckery sounding decidedly flaacid...

    by quantize

    really, who HASN'T got the obvious vibe there was significant deflation as a result of all the dickwads hyping Avatar and the actual Comicon preview?

  • July 29, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Hope D9, the trailers have seemed a bit goofy...

    by quantize

    I mean, the racism metaphor is played to death in sci-fi (Alien Nation ANYONE???), so the trailers have seemed a bit lame to me...but it's very interesting the doco direction is not through the whole film...thats promising

  • July 29, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Quantize - sci-fi has always...

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    ...been an allegory for the problems here on earth that real people face. I would hardly say racism has been 'done to death' by science fiction any more than any other subject, frankly. Also, to be fair, if D-9 is similar in some ways to Alien Nation (the film, not the series) then that's not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned - that film was awesome when it came out and holds up well today, even though I'm still waiting to see a lot of the deleted scenes from that movie. I'm hoping D-9 really is as good as it's looking, and it's kind of sad in a way but even though I love Cameron and have no experience of this Blomkamp fellow, I really do believe D-9 is going to be a much better film than Avatar. I think at this stage with what we've seen of both so far that more people in proportion are going to walk out of a screening of D-9 satisfied than those walking out of Avatar. As I've said before, fuck Avatar. D-9 looks to be a damn site more worthy of my cinema-going budget. Avatar looks like a drunken dvd rental at best so far. And now we're on that subject, who the fuck does Sam Worthington think he is? He's no Perseus, Harry Hamlin is Perseus. Clash's remake is going to be utter balls, mark my words. D-9, however, looks like a winner.

  • July 29, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by AsimovLives

    Should be cake? I don't think so. Nor it should be so. This movies should be difficult to make, so that nobody making them have the feeling of being doing a walk in the park. Like, you know, how the Dawson's Trek filmmakers did.<br><br>Make no mistake, The Hobbit will be a pretty hard movie to make, in it's own way as hard as LOTR, spcially if they are going to include material from the appendixes, whcih at the very least will double the stuff found in The Hobbit. Andi doubt each movie will be 2 hours 30 minutes. count each to be close to 3 hours, with longer extended editions came DVD.

  • July 29, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Anybody who thinks racism is a done deal today

    by AsimovLives

    knows nothing of the world that exists outside their own home. Racism is a big problem today as ever was before. But today it has been more disguised, but it's still there. a modern day Sf movie that serves as allegory still has enourmous vality. And specially for a country such as South Africa.

  • July 29, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    "Dawson's Trek"

    by DocPazuzu

    You know, Memories-of-Asimov's-Unit, when you get banned again and come back as a totally different Portuguese talkbacker, you're going to have to abandon your masturbatory Abrams obsession otherwise we'll all know it's you. Again.

  • July 29, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Yes, but not in the film TTT Extended Edition, Aragorn states he's 87...The Hobbit is 60 years earlier, so he'd be 27, which is almost 30. Give Viggo a close shave and some make-up, and he could pull off an almost-30-year-old man. He looked to be in his early/mid 40's in LOTR anyway. rsdrum, I've thought of that...they'd better fuck put off the apocalypse until at least 2013, or when I and the other pissed Tolkien fans get to hell, there's going to be some serious shit.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Why the movie industry is doomed:

    by ninpobugei

    (1) Piss poor studio movies, (2) Ridiculous risky budgets that reflect a huge amount of expense that's often not seen on the screen, (3) too many movies in general all competing for the same dollar pool, (4) over-priced tickets...$10 is my limit and I personally won't spend a penny more (especially when theaters have the gall to charge $3 extra to see a movie like UP in 3-d), (5) the proliferation of flat pannel, big-screen TV's...personally, I'd much rather watch a movie at my own convenience at home on my own big screen than in a theater with kids kicking the back of my seat and talking.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    In my country, Portugal, we don't pay more then 5,70 euros to watch a movie, regardless if it's an art-house low budget movie or a 200 million dollars blockbuster extravaganza. And we don't pay more because it's 3D either. Seems like you guys inn USa have a really rough deal regarding tickets prices.

  • July 29, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by Hint_of_Smegma

    I can testify to the testicle-cinching, teeth-grinding hatred that children in a movie theatre can induce. It's bad enough parents bring kids who are too young to enjoy a movie anyway as they are't even able to see over the milk-bottle shoved into their gobs, who then end up crying loudly all through the film I spent money to enjoy, but it's even worse when it's bloody teenagers either goofing off, kicking seats or making phone calls. Fuck, I hate children of all ages - the sooner technology makes them obsolete and we can procreate through test tube engineering exclusively, growing fully matured people who pop out of the pods at the physical age of 35, the better. Maybe then I'll be able to enjoy a movie at the theatre in peace. Ok, maybe I went to far there, a little bit. MAybe we could just have all children entering a movie theatre shot? You know, kill two birds with one stone so to speak - population control, plus me not being annoyed by brats during a film. All jokes aside, children and their behaviour really puts me off going to the cinema, and unless it's a special event film to me like D-9, or Watchmen or something, I wait for the dvd these days and get my premiere on my home cinema - much more enjoyable.

  • July 29, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives & Hint_of_Smegma

    by ninpobugei

    Interesting about the ticket prices, though by current exchange you still pay just over $8 per ticket, which is probably just below our national average (most places we've been seeing here in the States are around $9 for night shows and $7 for matinees...we move around a lot between states, so we see a good average). As for the whole children being seen and not heard (and even not seen if at all possible), I 100% agree...and I don't think you went overboard. My wife has a sign over her desk that says "Unattended children will be sold as slaves."

  • July 29, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Ninpobugei. I think I love your wife.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    It's a shock for you, I know, but I'm sure you'll come to terms with it. Personally I believe the Victorians had it right. Workhouses and chimney sweeps - modern central heating needs to be abolished, chimneys and real fires installed in all homes worldwide simply as a way of providing much needed back-breaking, lung disease inducing employment for children over the age of two. Also, I'm sure children would be a more cost - effective way of cleaning cooling ducts for nuclear power stations. Anything, so long as they're not in the same cinema as me.

  • July 29, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by ninpobugei

    Yeah, needless to say, my wife and I are not breeders...never have, never will (and in our late-30's it's not like we'll change our mind). One thing the world needs is less people.

  • July 29, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I live in American and only pay about $6-$7 a movie ticket

    by Series7

    Just can't go to movies on Friday or Saturday night. They don't let you use your college ID for the discount. Something I will be using until I have my senior citizen ID. Like some fuck hole high schooler is going to tell me when I am not in college.

  • July 29, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    The comment was "racism has been 'done to death'" in the context of sci fi...not racism is a done deal in society. Please stifle your need to lecture us on the state of race relations in the world. I don't know about your country but race relations in the U.S are not worse than want proof? Just ask any black person if he or she would rather be living in present day 2009 or 1969...hell, even 79!<p> And BTW, we get don't like Abrams Trek.

  • July 29, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Speakling of nothing, DocWho...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I never said that I AGREED with everything that dude in the Cronkite TB said, only that he had "won the talkback" as in really fucking doing his homework. For the record, I found his labeling of every non-Caucasian conservative as a "race traitor" offensive, to say the least. In fact, if push came to shove, I'd argue it's racist in itself.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Make that the guys at physcial age of 35 and the girls at physical age of 20.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    It's all good Doc...

    by DoctorWho?

    I gathered as much soon after the fact. Dude actually did 'win' from the sheer volume of sewage he was vommiting in that TB. Hell, he was basically accusing me of lynching blacks in the 60's simply because I challenged him.<p> Think nothing of it bro.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Racism is never done as a subject as long there is racism in the world.<br><br>And midn the atitude about claling on my nick. I respect yours, respect mine as well. It's called COMMON CORTESY.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Fair enough Asimov...

    by DoctorWho?

    A bit snarky on my part I admit. My apologies ;)

  • July 29, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Wait... <p> Aren't you the tool who calls Abrams "JJ Merda" and all kinds of other stuff? What, it's okay for you to use that kind of jiving when it comes to celebrities but we poor talkback slobs must call you by your preferred nick? <p> Fuck you, you shallow, arrogant, condescending, cocksmoking, socialist asshat.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST Asimov M-O-M?

    by DoctorWho?

    I need a score card to keep track of this shit.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Yes, he's both Memories-of-Murder and BladeRunnerUnit. <p> He will be banned yet again within six months and come back as a "totally new" Portuguese talkbacker who just happens to hate Bay and Abrams and will post incessantly about them in completely off-topic talkbacks. <p> Fucking tool.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Did you see that Orci/TREK sequel TB?<P>Holy shit.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Nope, seemed too vast to even get into. Is it worth it?

  • July 29, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Can I just say...

    by DocPazuzu

  • July 29, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that I fucking loathed Transformers 2 but LOVED Star Trek. <p> I bring this up as proof that one doesn't have to love both. <p> I'd love to see AssholeLive's rationalization for that.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    got back home...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...from the pub a bit in the bag tonight. Am between Where Eagles Dare and The Wild Geese in terms of post-pub male entertainment right now. Can't be held accountable tomorrow for man-loving posts regarding Richard Burton... <p> "Broadsword calling Danny Boy..." <p> Drunk 1970's Burton is THE SHIT.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Colonel Faulkner...

    by DocPazuzu


  • July 29, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    It is totally worth a read through. Apparently, BRU-MOM-AL took an entire day off of work and did nothing but post STAR TREK rants. Ultimately, he walked into a shitstorm of ownage and withered into a blithering baby capable of only one-word responses.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Fuckin A+ Doc!!

    by DoctorWho?

    Burton is the shit! Drunk or otherwise! We should start a Man-Crush thread. I'm a Robert Shaw man myself.<p>

  • July 29, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Obviously I must delve into that talkback. AssLives is a one-note symphony of inanity.

  • July 29, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    "Drunk 1970's Burton is THE SHIT."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nice! When I think of Burton and drinking, I'm always reminded of Peter O'Toole and Richard Harris.<P>"My god,'re drunk!" (Said by an elderly lady sitting in the front row as Harris fell off a stage and landed face first in her lap.)<P>"If you think I'm drunk madam...wait till O'Toole hits the stage!"

  • July 29, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Ooh, loves me some Robert Shaw too. Re-watched A Man For All Seasons last week. Where are all those types these days? <p> As such, The Professionals may be the greatest guy movie ever made -- Burt Lancaster, Woody Strode, Jack Palance and LEE MOTHERFUCKIN' MARVIN. <p> fucking WIN.

  • July 29, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu


  • July 29, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Speaking of drunk O'Toole...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...My Favorite year is one of the greatest comedies EVER. I love that movie. <p> "Double the lad's wager... you toad."

  • July 29, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I like me the Big Robots myself.

    by Sal_Bando

    *notes to self-that was a scarily Mammaries of Mom sounding like phrase. Must...not..repeat...sin...must....not..<p> I liked the Abrams Trek! It were Good! Bring the Red Matter! 'Who was that guy?' and you hadda like Scotty's little Pomeranian alien there in the snow-planet. Very cool. <p> Remember PaZooz-they spell 'Moron' w/ 4 M's in Oporto. They did when he was Mammaries of Mom and they will when he's known as 'Oak Cliff Bob' or whatever next-time out. <p> Gollum was a great F/X creation-but it was Just that. So was Megan Fox--

  • July 29, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Grade A British Lush. Trevor Howard.

    by Sal_Bando

    Oh fuck yeah. Check them there Internets to learn more---

  • July 29, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    *hands MrGeyser the hefty bag and cart*

    by Sal_Bando

    You can clean up behind Mammaries. Make sure to wear the oxygen mask and don't get ANY of that pus-like stuff on your exposed flesh. You'll not make it thru the weekend---

  • July 29, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Pull my finger.... retard.

  • July 29, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Retard... as usual.

  • July 29, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu = Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Same person.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    AssimovLives = Memories-Of-Murder = BladeRunnerUnit

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Same person.<P>Predictable as usual.

  • July 29, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What's up you crazy bastard!<P>No, I've called in the AICN Haz-Mat team to come in and clean up after AssimovLives' drippy vag. Keep that stuff away from me, man!

  • July 29, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by marlow2 a God and he loves hockey

  • July 29, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I agree morGy

    by mortsleam

    I'd like to see Gandalf in Dol Guldur meeting Thrain and getting the map. Getting into an argument with Saruman in the White Council. Hanging out at the Prancing Pony and running into Thorin.

  • July 29, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    My Favorite Year

    by DoctorWho?

    Damn I haven't seen that in a century. Just put in my Blockbuster queue. The Professionals too...never seen it so thanks for the tip.<p> I want Harry and anyone else here at AICN to get on PJ asap. Lock up set visits, concept art (Smaug please), photos, interviews etc starting now!

  • July 29, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Oh my god he looks old!

    by Alphanumeric1971

    what happened!?

  • July 29, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    My concern for the Hobbit

    by Ingeld

    is that the side issues with the ring and the white council, etc. will take the focus away from the main story that gives the book its charm. The Hobbit is not about the ring; in fact the ring is really a minor plot device to move the story along. So let it move the story along and do not let the movie get bogged down in setting up the foundation and backstory of the LOTR. Tolkien had the good sense to revise the Hobbit where necessary to fit his larger and later trilogy but not to expand the story beyond that. He knew what to do so as not to jepardize the flow and focus of the tale. Trust Tolkien. He knew what he was doing. If you really must expand in this area save all that stuff for some extended DVD release.

  • July 29, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    In a nutshell, I meant to say that the Hobbit is not

    by Ingeld

    about the ring AND Sauron. Don't let the movie become about them.

  • July 29, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Really interesting..

    by Lejonet

    interview. Looking forward to watch District 9. Thanks for the nice article Capone. //Lejonet

  • July 30, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    The Professionals

    by Xiphos_2

    is perhaps one of the best movies ever made. My Favorite Year isn't too shabby either. For me it's probably in the top 3 for O'Tooles performances.

  • July 30, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    'Anybody who thinks racism is a done deal today'

    by quantize

    I never said that you enormous cloth eared douchebag...I said as an allegory/metaphor in Sci-Fi i personally think it has been absolutely mined to death...Star Trek...Alien Nation...

  • July 30, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST


    by quantize

    I'm so glad you value your opinion so much as to pontificate it here...but in the context of your contributions to this site..I would rate it slightly lower in importance that a gush of fart from a cockroach

  • July 30, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    The Professionals is Grade A.

    by Sal_Bando

    Plus you have Claudia Cardinale doing her thing. We like watching Claudia doing her thing.

  • July 30, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST


    by livingwater

    Peter : you and your team of backstabbers blacklisted me, because of the high profile work I did at your company and for J. to play games with my career out of JEALOUSY. THAT IS WHY YOU STOLE CONCEPTS AND TOLD OTHER PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM MY WORK..... WHY ? because I wrote and am writing better scripts than you and bid myself as director. As soo as you found that out, read the script, saw the work I did for you..... you freaked out and tried to blacklist me, to stop my progress because you KNOW YOU ARE DIRECTLY PROFITTING OF WORK I DID FOR YOU AND TOLKIEN. EVERYONE WILL FIND THIS OUT. You wanted to stop my career and drove me into poverty but LUCKILY someone very very important has picked these projects up and DESTROYED YOUR HATRED AND OPPRESSION. THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL HEAR ABOUT WHAT A THIEF YOU ARE PETER JACKSON AND FRAN, AND HOW YOU USED MY HARD WORK, BAKCSTABBED ME, STOLE MY IDEAS AND TRIED TO KILL MY LIFE AND CAREER... IN A HIDDEN SUFFOCATING WAY ......THEN FINALLY FAILED. LIGHT SHINE THROUH MY LIFE PETER AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE DARK MISERABLE FILMS AND UGLY EGO GAMES THATDEFINE YOUR LIFE. YOU ARE NOT TOLKIEN PETER. YOU ARE NOT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER. YOU ARE NOT ALAN LEE. YOU ARE FEEBLES, BRAIN DEAD, FORGOTTEN RUBBISH AND BACKSTABBING POLITICS.

  • July 30, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    PJ tried to "blacklist" you and "wanted to stop" your "career"? Oookkkaaayyy...<P>Were you fired for looking at porn while at work or something?

  • July 30, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Wow must be AWESOME

    by DoctorWho?

    ...If Jackson "freaked out" and went out of his way to blacklist you. <p> But as you say..."LUCKILY someone very very important has picked these projects up and DESTROYED YOUR HATRED AND OPPRESSION."<p> Whew! Close call there.<p> But hey, careful. Word has it he has you under surveilance to make sure none of your "high profile" work gets out and overshadows him. Just a heads up.

  • July 30, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    Do know Assimov lives and Lockesbrokenleg? You seem to be three of a kind.

  • July 30, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Wow Livingwater

    by white_vader

    you're almost as fucked up as Ringy! No mean feat!

  • July 30, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Livingwater AKA Harry Sinclair

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    clearly needs help!

  • July 30, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    And then...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...a new classic talkbacker loony shambles onto the boards. <p> All hail livingwater!

  • July 30, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Lol...I just re read it...

    by DoctorWho?

    My favorite part is how Jackson tried "...TO KILL MY LIFE AND CAREER... IN A HIDDEN SUFFOCATING WAY."<p> Come back and play Livingwater. I'm dying to hear some details.

  • July 30, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Hiya morty: The map of Thrain...

    by morGoth

    ...will most certainly have to be included by the writers if they're to flesh out the tale onscreen. Picture Gandalf sitting around puffing it up with the boys from The Fellowship in some Minas Tirith bar. Pints all around, natch, and I can picture him filling them in on his, ahem, scheme of using Bilbo and Thorin to counter Smaug…maybe even a flash to Sauron laying The Big Eye on him. I suppose that’s just too much but you know that PJ. I think it’s just too tempting to the writers, as an introduction to the first movie, to pass up. Maybe the scene will provide future grist for the LoTR Unimpressed (LU) by having Merry and Pip give each other a knowing glance or two over their pint heads.

  • July 30, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Olog whiffed near Nobottle...Gaffer shakes head.

    by morGoth

    Like I said, a long three years.

  • July 30, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    The finding of the map...

    by morGoth

    ...of Thrain is what I meant to say.<p>Drat, the fingers are particularly crusty today.

  • July 30, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    As for the argument with Saruman…

    by morGoth

    …I just hope it gets filmed before, well, I dare not say but’ee know what I’m saying.

  • July 30, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    And there you have it Ingeld…

    by morGoth

    …I can’t imagine anything other than PJ inserting a bit of Ring focus into his Hobbit with what he said above. Blessit if he wasn’t damned near drooling over the prospect. <p>That’s also what I meant above about it not being ‘The Hobbit’ anymore. I think we should forget about this movie being like the story we may have read to our morGlings at bedtime. ..much less answering the question of whether GDT will employ a narrator…heh, they could sample Tolkien’s own voice and use that!

  • July 30, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    re: Believe me morGoth

    by Ingeld

    I would love to see a lot of the background material on screen. I am still mad that Gil Galad material never made it to the first film. I think it is justifiable concern, however, that the movie might lose focus if the ring wields too much of its power over the plot. As I said, Tolkien new better than to overwrite references to the ring when revising the Hobbit to be a prelude to the LOTR. Jackson et al would do well to consider Tolkien's own narrative genious. We can, of course, agree to disagree on this. I think we can agree, however, that we want nothing but success for this movie.

  • July 30, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Actually, I'm in complete agreement with you Ingeld.

    by morGoth

    ...and I base what I said on Christopher T's comment about the unknown (to him and the family) friend of Tolkien's who pretty much told him the same thing you just said. It was after Mr. T had completely re-written The Hobbit to bring it totally in line with later LoTR. He sent the only draft to this mystery (female) friend who, evidently, held great sway over Tolkien by her opinion of his stories. So, that’s what she told him…it’s a smashing prelude to LoTR but it’s just not The Hobbit anymore. He promptly dropped all notions of publishing this new edition, afterwards, and that was that...we retain The Hobbit we know and love. He came to terms with the difference in tone of his Hobbit tale and accepted it for more than just “The lesser prequel to the greater tale.” Nonetheless, it seems even Tolkien had forgotten his, as you said, narrative genius though for only a little time. Heh, perhaps he was thinking of a future movie deal at that stage of his life.<p>At any rate, I’ve already accepted the probability of a linear tie-in with the complete tone of the previous movie and snuffled a few Sooty Tears over the lost prospect of the tone of the book. I mean it too...dang. Read PJ's words above again. He is talking about exactly what Tolkien had already done. I’m just trying to soften the blow for you mellon {[:^)

  • July 30, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Now I'll get to your literal point..

    by morGoth

    ...too much focus on the Ring runs the risk of minimizing the Quest for Erebor as a sideshow to driving the Necromancer from DolGuldur. There was a dragon?

  • July 30, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Re: morGoth

    by Ingeld

    I guess I misunderstood a bit of your post. It's nice to see that we are in agreement. Thanks for the info about Tolkien's revision of the Hobbit. I did not know that story. Does Tolkien's Hobbit with the major changes exist somewhere? My favorite thing about the Hobbit is that it is _not_ about the ring. It is not about the passing of an age, of the elves leaving of the world becoming our world in which magic and human nature dwindles from something grander. In short, it is not about grand sacrifices and loss. It is about gaining and growing into something bigger. It is about Bilbo gaining confidence, experience of the world, respect and even wealth and luck. At the end of the book, he returns home where he belongs and it is still the third age. The Elves and Elrond are still in Rivendell. The dwarves are in their mountain halls and the Gandalf the Grey is out and wandering in the world. Middle-earth is still Middle-earth.

  • July 30, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Tolkien's abandoned 1960s rewrite of The Hobbit

    by irritable

    ... is included in Vol 2 of "The History of the Hobbit" by John D. Rateliff - an engrossing book which I guess GDT, Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens will have carefully read.

  • July 30, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    "A one note symphony of inanity" ... heh!

    by irritable

    Very Professional, DocPaz.

  • July 31, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    better they tell The Hobbit in two film of full detail

    by pipergates

    and keep the references to the bigger picture of Politics and Wizardry to a minimum, as it was in the book.

  • July 31, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    and will we ever see Tom Bombadill on the screen?

    by pipergates

  • July 31, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Actually Jackson and del Toro have stated they're doing just the opposite...personally, I think it's a good move. If they're not doing the Bridge movie, they have to include the stuff that actually ties in to LOTR somewhere, and the TH can't sustain two films by itself...

  • July 31, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    And I think Bombadil should

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    be included in the first film, before the encounter with the Trolls. Why the hell not?...

  • Aug. 1, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Gollum vs. Jar Jar unfair comparison

    by Nem_Wan

    It would be smarter to ask, what would Gollum have looked like if Jar Jar never existed? These things built on each other. Jar Jar was and a half three years before The Two Towers. The beta Gollum in Fellowship of the Rings couldn't have carried The Two Towers. The early 2000s were a VERY critical maturation time for CG as can also be seen comparing Spider-Man 1 and 2. Anyway, the best CG character in Phantom Menace was Watto.

  • Aug. 1, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    LOL @ livingwater

    by TheWaqman

    that was hilarious. I want to hear more from this delusional man.

  • Aug. 1, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    livingwater kudos my man for the most bugnuts post ever!!!

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks


  • Aug. 10, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    *SNIFF* What's this?!

    by Skyway Moaters

    Does I smells an old school "Tailend TB"?!!! *CLUNK* (Connexxions bloak faints dead away)

  • Aug. 10, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Whu? uhh... alright, I'm ok now...

    by Skyway Moaters

    LARST! (?)

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by orcus