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GALACTICA Reunion For Bamber And Penikett Via DOLLHOUSE!!
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E! is reporting that Jamie Bamber (aka Lee Adama aka Apollo) will reteam with fellow “Battlestar Galactica” vet Tahmoh Penikett (aka Karl Agathon aka Helo) for the second season premiere of “Dollhouse”:
We're told that Bamber's character is heavily involved in an engagement Echo (Eliza Dushku) and her new handler Paul Ballard (Tahmoh Penikett) have been assigned to.
Find all of E!’s story on the matter here.
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...just as I suggested.
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Pretty cool that they give him time off to film something - and for a different network, even. I always assumed L&O was a sweatshop.
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Jul 28, 2009 3:28:16 AM CDT
PS: Although, I Suggested An Alt Path With An Alias Feel
by media messiah
I felt the redesign of the show that I wrote, as a outline, one that would be more effective, than the series as first presented, as it would give the story arc a procedural feel...much like Alias, but it would place an alternate spin on Alias, as it would continue to play on the series theme, that of Dollhouse, which focuses on programmable agents, ala Jason Bourne, and or, Joe 90, but unlike the fore, the Dolls should be programmed to retain their memories, ala the latter, Joe 90. The programming should simply focus on giving them skills for their spying, or combat engagements, etc. The procedural part of the show would be centered upon the FBI, or the NSA, taking over the L.A. Dollhouse, and redirecting its Dolls as agents, and the Dollhouse's resources, toward finding the other 19 or 20 Dollhouse's...which are hidden throughout the world, and discover, and stop them from launching whatever secret doomsday plan that stands at the center core of their agenda, and the reason for their ultimate invention.
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"We really understand the show now. We understand what works, and what didn't work so well or what we weren't so thrilled about. We don't have the onus of trying to be a big hit sitting on our shoulders. We can just be ourselves. And so the stories we're breaking are pure, and exciting, and everybody's on-board in the room, and it's never flowed better."
I hope he's right. I've loved just about everything he's done before Dollhouse, but it's a bit of a stinker currently. Epitaph One really caught me though, and he actually seems halfway interested in the project now unlike last season when it seemed he was forced into it by E.D. I still say cancel Dollhouse and Castle though and bring back Firefly :P -
Jul 28, 2009 3:36:35 AM CDT
Amended: PS: Although, I Suggested An Alt Path With An Alias Fee
by media messiah
I felt the redesign of the show that I wrote, as an outline, would be more effective, than the series, as first presented, as it would give the story arc a procedural feel...much like Alias, but it would place an alternate spin on Alias, as it would continue to play on the series theme, that of Dollhouse, which focuses on programmable agents, ala Jason Bourne, and or, Joe 90, but unlike the fore, the Dolls should be programmed to retain their memories, ala the latter, Joe 90. The programming should simply focus on giving them skills for their spying, or combat engagements, etc. The procedural part of the show would be centered upon the FBI, or the NSA, taking over the L.A. Dollhouse, and redirecting its Dolls as agents, and re-purposing the Dollhouse's resources, with the mandate of finding the other 19 or 20 Dollhouse's...which are hidden throughout the world, in order to discover them, and stop them from launching whatever secret doomsday plan that stands at the center core of their agenda, and the reason for their ultimate invention.
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Anyone who's watched Epitaph One knows now what direction the show will be heading in. And it's not Alias-like.
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Your "redesign" couldn't sound any more bog standard and fucking predictable. I thank god nobody will ever be stupid enough to give you a job anywhere near television.
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If Chris Meloni was allowed to be a full time cast member on Oz and Law and Order SVU for at a least a year (I think), It doesn't surprise me that Jamie Bamber is allowed to do an episode of another show.
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Cack
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Wheden and co have no idea how to deal with this show after the first season..it will fist go into Heroes like lameness and fox being less leniant then NBC will cancell the show after the second season...fanboys will cry and claim it was the greatest show on the planet even though deep down they know the second season sucked balls...a movie will be made and completley bomb and fanboys will then blame FOx and its marketing department for abandoning the show
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Working on L&O UK is, I'd bet, a hell of a lot less time consuming and restrictive than doing a full season of a US network show. I'm not even sure he's filming any time soon, I think a second run has only just been confirmed, and there's still 6 episodes in the can waiting to air.
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Half a season for this.
I want to see stories about a reworked series that is more involving and not dull as dirt.
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i tried buddy. i tried.
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Curiosity killed the cat. Satisfaction brought it back.
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Premiere got pushed back a week, didn't it?
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We'll have to see if those prospects are realised, however.
I think it's titillating to hear from Eliza that she might have a snogging scene with Amy Acker in season 2. But it's not something I'll tune in for. (I guarantee that clip, should it air, will be all over youtube.)
The only way to get us to tune in each week is to keep the writing good. And as most of the feedback from those who have seen epitaph one was insanely positive, I think it's obvious that they know what direction the plot should go.
The mini-series or half-season format can work really well, if you have a set story to tell. It reduces the need for filler episodes and padding for one thing. (I still think season 2 of BSG should have ended with the Pegasus 2 parter, instead of dragging out episodes like Black Market) It also gives the writing staff more time to get things right. -
that will run concecutively, same as last year. FOX has it scheduled for the back nine but it hasn't been picked up yet.
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If Freema Agyeman is prohibited from doing any other shows due to Law and Order UK, how is Bamber doing this? Maybe I don't understand the way this all works.
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Just isn't very good, to be honest. Neither is Dollhouse - and Media, that's a rather dull idea. Joss is NOT hiring off AICN, at any rate.
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I'm reasonably sure Freema's restriction is a UK one. She could very likely do something in the US, if such a thing were offered.
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If not, then I am doing it now. E1 was the shit though.
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No, no one has. Not ever. Not since day one.
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Two very dull actors are appearing, on a show that has been circling the drain, since its' premiere. Woo-hoo.
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Jul 28, 2009 10:26:41 AM CDT
I don't get the love with these Battlestar actors?
by hollywoodhellraiser
I seen the show and really they are average actors at best. I personally think BSG fans aren't watching Dollhouse that much for these characters to have in significance.
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the final hald season of bsg is one of the greatest displays of public masturbation
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Next time you should read whats written before criticizing, dumbshit!There a reason why I mention the actors from BSG starring on Dollhouse, dumbass!Did I once mention Edward James Olmos, Mary Mcdonnel, or Dean Stockwell as bad actors???No, I didn't you worthless piece of shit!
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But this show had, and seemingly has, no direction??? I was offering a way to give Echo a personality that we could root for, and get to know, from show to show, episode to episode...so we could then begin to explore one personality, not dozens...and really begin to understand her reaction to The Dollhouse and how it has impacted her life. I was hoping to give the writers, and the audience, a base where they, the makers of the series, and the network, can evolve the show from--that being a point of reference that is consistant. From there, Joss could "trick-out" the series any way he wants to. He is a very clever writer you know (?), and very resourceful, but the show, as is, is painted into a corner; we still know nothing about Echo, or her emotions, and needs--and we still are without a main character to root for...and the only way to do that, is to hatch things the way I have presented...from there, you can go in any direction you want, and can morph the show in any way you want, including tearing it down, and away from my premise--it is just a starting point to give the characters and the story arc, a voice...and a consistency that the audience can get behind, easily understand, explain, and cheer for. As it is, if your recommended the show to someone, and they ask what the show is about...you'd have trouble explaining it...and if they, those whom you recommended the show to, watched it, you'd have problems keeping them interested, as the show is inconsistent in terms of quality, and sometimes confusing, and confused, going from bad, to good, to so-so, to okay...or barely passable, to great, to so-so...to abruptly lazy...and even shockingly bad, to great again...and then good??? This situation has been spawned from the fact that the story arc, and characters, therein...and uneven, largely undefined, and unpolished, I only seek to even them out, define them, and polish them...to give the writers and the audience a better understanding of the direction of the show, and that shouldn't make me the bad guy, as we all know that this series has serious problems. From fans, to the varying opinions of critics, to Whedon hating detractors--again, most, if not all, agree that there are issues with the show that need to be fixed. Even Joss Whedon himself, admits that this is a fact.Now, if you can come up with a better idea on how to fix the series, I am all ears.
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Dollhouse does have issues, but you can't solve them - because you make the show something it isn't. It should never be Alias, because Joss CAN'T write that kind of show.
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But this show had, and seemingly has, no direction??? I was offering a way to give Echo a personality that we could root for, and get to know, from show to show, episode to episode...so we could then begin to explore one personality, not dozens...and really begin to understand her reaction to The Dollhouse and how it has impacted her life. I was hoping to give the writers, and the audience, a base where they, the makers of the series, and the network, can evolve the show from--that being a point of reference that is consistant. From there, Joss could "trick-out" the series any way he wants to. He is a very clever writer you know (?), and very resourceful, but the show, as is, is painted into a corner; we still know nothing about Echo, or her emotions, and needs--and we still are without a main character to root for...and the only way to do that, is to hatch things the way I have presented...from there, you can go in any direction you want, and can morph the show in any way you want, including tearing it down, and away from my premise--it is just a starting point to give the characters and the story arc, a voice...and a consistency that the audience can get behind, easily understand, explain, and cheer for.
As it is, if you recommended the show to someone, and they ask what the show is about...you'd have trouble explaining it...and if they, those whom you recommended the show to, watched it, you'd have problems keeping them interested, as the show is inconsistent in terms of quality, and sometimes confusing, and confused, going from bad, to good, to so-so, to okay...or barely passable, to great, to so-so...to abruptly lazy...and even shockingly bad, to great again...and then good??? This situation has been spawned from the fact that the story arc, and characters, therein...are uneven, largely undefined, and unpolished, I only seek to even them out, define them, and polish them...to give the writers and the audience a better understanding of the direction of the show, and that shouldn't make me the bad guy, as we all know that this series has serious problems. From fans, to the varying opinions of critics, to Whedon hating detractors--again--most, if not all, agree that there are issues with the show that need to be fixed. Even Joss Whedon himself, admits that this is a fact.
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Maybe Hulu will do for "Dollhouse" what DirecTV has done for "Friday Night Lights"? This show started off slow but pretty consistently improved with almost every single episode, and I'm excited to see where it goes next.
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I think Joss has already come up with a way to fix the series's biggest flaw, which was that its lead character is a cipher. If Epitaph One is to be believed, it seems Echo is going to start resisting the imprints more aggressively and thus being more of her own character.
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But at present, we don't know what kind of a show that Dollhouse is??? Respectfully, I must say, it is all over the map. I am only seeking to give the audience a point of anchor, from there, Joss can pull-up the anchor, and set sail to whatever port he wants, or just sail the seas, and other waterways...but first, we need to establish what the mission is, who's involved...and why, and their agendas--all of which being found in defining the story arc and the characters. How can you care for a character that has no defined personality? You can't care about her hurts, her loves, her loved ones, as she has none. You can't even relate as much as you could to violations she suffers, whether sexual or otherwise, or betrayals she may suffer or perpetrate. And mainly, there is no defined nemesis for her, Echo, no villain that she can rally against...therefore, she cannot be defined as a hero, as a hero is defined by their heroic actions against a villain, and the threats they present--as well, a villain is defined by the hero who bests them, or whom they defeat. In terms of a hero, and establishing them, to better effectly serve the story arc, you need a character with "freedom of will" to illustrate that, not a human robot...and that is the problem with Dollhouse...the Dolls don't have an opinion, or a will of their own--a life of their own, to fuel and steer the story arc, and that fact, is undermining the show.
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is confusing for everyone else.
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That's all I'm saying. Give us a character to know...whom we can relate to, and vicariously live through--that being a hero, an entry point character. When Echo becomes a definable thinking personality, she will then begin to become the jumping in point for the audience, and that critical entry point character that all stories need. From there, we become her, just as we became, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, or Princess Leia...in Star Wars, or Empire Strikes Back. Those characters were empathic, and their struggles, their loves, their pain, adventures, their enemies, and their triumphs...became our own...giving us collective cause to root for them. Dollhouse is missing that. Give us that entry point, and that will be the series' big breakthrough in terms of helping the audience to better relate to the goings on, onscreen. It will give us a stake in the matters onscreen. However, so far, we have just been asked to play the role of spectators, and spectators only...and that has pushed viewers away.
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Jul 28, 2009 12:36:44 PM CDT
Buffywrestling: I Am Talking About Meanstream Audiences
by media messiah
I assume that you want the show to succeed? Well, those folks represent ratings, those whom are confused, and just don't get it. If you give them a premise they can understand, they will tune in. Once you have them, you can freak the stories and characters all you want. Lure people, that mass audience, with what they are use to, and then feed them with all the health food that you want to--just don't tell them its health food, and they will gladly eat it, and be back for more.
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he comes back as fat Lee in BSG season 3.
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and the statement still stands. You are more confused than the main strean audience.
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He's appalling.
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Dollhouse has been cancelled.
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because nothing could suck more can be more dissatisfying than the BSG finale
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I am simply trying to help. Joss himself says that there is a problem with the show...so, on that premise alone, you could attack him also, as he is echoing my opinion, and I, his. So, if I am confused, according to you, you can apply the same critic to Joss Whedon. I however, disagree with your attacks. I am right about this...and if you think that I am wrong, I offer you a a two part challenge that, I have offered before, twice in fact, but you have not as yet, answered--because you can't??? 1) Explain the premise of the show in one to 2 sentences...and 2)...write a do-able outline that will serve to fix the show. Again, Joss Whedon himself says the show needs to be fixed, so you can't claim that it is on the right track, which serves to fully blunt your criticisms of me. Hence, instead of attacking me, best me, and my outline, if you can...if not, retreat from this discussion.
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I am simply trying to help. Joss himself says that there is a problem with the show...so, on that premise alone, you could attack him also, as he is echoing my opinion, and I, his. So, if I am confused, according to you, you can apply the same critique to Joss Whedon. I however, disagree with your attacks. I am right about this...and if you think that I am wrong, I offer you a a two part challenge that, I have offered before, twice in fact, but you have not as yet, answered--because you can't??? 1) Explain the premise of the show in one to 2 sentences...and 2)...write a do-able outline that will serve to fix the show. Again, Joss Whedon himself says the show needs to be fixed, so you can't claim that it is on the right track, which serves to fully blunt your criticisms of me. Hence, instead of attacking me, best me, and my outline, if you can...if not, retreat from this discussion. -Signed, MM...aka Spike
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if I were an administrator, I'd ban you for that shit. If you can't be arsed to get it right the first time, stop wasting our time and bandwidth with reposted comments that change a period or something. Do you realize you are the only one that ever does this, MM? Do you realize how fucking annoying you are? No one gives a shit about your lame story ideas. What Dollhouse turned into at the end of its first season (an amazing show about identity, memory, and the soul) is worlds better than any "Alias" crap that you've come up with. Really. Just give up.
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It's the kind that has another season...unlike Sarah Conner Chronicles...oh! Suck on that, shit-eating Whedon haters.
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I gave up after 101, but really Media... it was QUALITY that put me off. If the show was good, the other flaws it had could be shrugged off.
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I know how to write a sentence??? But I also have an obsession (possibly sexual) with question marks??? I get a funny feeling when I see them???
Actually, it's part of my invention to make you hear my posts in an Australian accent???
Just kidding. Kind of. -
I know how to write a sentence??? But I also have an obsession (possibly sexual) with question marks??? I get a funny feeling when I see them???
Actually, it's part of my invention to make you hear my posts in an Australian accent???
Just kidding. Kind of? -
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Jul 28, 2009 2:45:18 PM CDT
Bamber can act..... Dollhouse will be stronger for it
by darfurontherocks2
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You'll get no more amendments from me, as soon as AICN.com gives us an edit button!!! If I don't amended my posts, people complain, and if I do amend them, they complain??? Well, I am a dyslexic..and I have a rare eye disease--so I ask for your patience. I do my best to write out my posts and spell check them...as best I can, but some things slip through, so I immediate try to fix them, out of respect to those who may read them, like you.
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about one of Media Messiah's unamended posts. It's the constant frivolous amendments which set peoples "cuckoo" alarms going off. Especially when you only change four words out of fifty.
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Half of the episodes are good, to great, and half a so-so, to very poor, and it always came, here and there, n the sequence of airings of the episodes, meaning, we usually never saw two or more consistently good, to great episodes back to back...to back??? No, it was always, as I cited before, the episodes, in terms of quality, or lack there of, went from...bad, to good, to so-so, to okay...or barely passable, to great, to so-so...to abruptly lazy...and even shockingly bad, to great again...and then good??? That inconsistency coupled with the fact that we had no character in Echo whom we could lock onto, and say, "I know Echo. I know her personality. I laugh with her. I feel for her. I cry with her. She and I have many like wishes, and needs, in life...thusly, the reason I can relate to her...and or, would want to be her friend...or date her, if she, the character, was actually a real person." You can't say that about Echo, who is the lead of the show. There is nothing to relate to, so you can't relate to her...and if you can't relate to her, then your sympathies for her are at a distance...like trying to meet and vicariously live through, and know, and even love, a person who's in a coma that you have never met before, it just won't work, try as you may to make it happen...as you cannot interact with them...where it counts, or in any other way.
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People complain if I have the smallest typo, or typos, so I try to fix them...if I can, or to help clarify the meaning of a sentence in a post to better assist the reader.
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Often when we as posters are debating, and one's fellow debaters have no real footing, in terms of their argument, they then begin to complain about typos...and calling names in a effort to deflect from the debate, and the fact that they are losing it.
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I've never seen anyone complain about a typo in your original posts. On the other hand, your abuse of the question mark and your compulsive Amendments border on the ridiculous. The Bill of Rights doesn't have that many Amendments for feck sake.
If you were serious about wanting to "assist" fellow talkbackers, you'd knock both of those on the head. -
the big bad went from being a scary multi talented threat to a boy who puts on a tutu and says I'm a pretty girl in like 4 heartbeats
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I could see Dollhouse working much better now in a second season though I'm still a little stunned that it got renewed.
I agree that Firefly was SO much stronger than this and actually anything else Whedon has done. The stories were vital, the characters had chemistry and the fun felt natural. Everything else Whedon has done has lacked an element or two from that list. The entire premise of Dollhouse sucked the vitality out of most episodes, but maybe he and the writers have gotten themselves out of that hole. I'll give it a shot. -
But it has me a little worried. It means Dollhouse is basically like watchign what the Firefly world was before the Reavers and Blue Hand Men were created rather than after (and now knowing they are coming). I think we're stuck in the less interesting time frame like the Prequels in Star Wars (same deal, we either know or don't really care why Anakin became Darth Vader or that there's some planet with wookies that Yoda knows about, we want to see a world with Darth Vader and Chewy). Or Caprica with the Cylons for that matter. I think Lost pretty much ruined "Prequels" since it did such a good job of telling backstories in flashback while continuing the current storyline that prequels are basically obsolete/redundant.
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Season 2 is a mix of 2019 and 2009, with many episodes continuing both storylines. But I doubt they can or even should attempt that with the smaller budget this year and small fan base (I think you can only attempt something that complicated with shows like Lost that have a billion people already hooked).
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BSG to me is what Lost should have been. All the assholes (lockesbrokenleg of course fits into that category) kept complaining about the ending or the fact that they kept drifting off. But I started rewatching the BSG series and man was it fucking extremely tight in the first 2 and a half seasons. Then the second half of the third season and the first half of the fourth drifted off. But it got back on track on season 4.5 Lost, meanwhile just kept feeding questions instead of answers. And it hasn't been good since the first season. Why does it have so many fanboys? It seems like it gained more die-hard fans as the series got shittier. They should have fallen in love with the superior first season. Also the ending of BSG (when Lee says goodbye to his Dad) reminded me of my favorite scene in LOTR: ROTK when Aragorn and the rest bow to the Hobbits. Final closure, and emotional.
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dont believe me? see the latest trailer: http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol
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Yep, SG is so much better than BSG. That's why non-geeks everywhere hail SG as one of the great SF programs and as an outstanding program in US television history. No, wait ... that was BSG.
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Stargate started out in '97 and guess what--its still going on. you gonna tell me quality not quantity right? but you know what...BSG lingered on like a dieing corpse for the last 3 years; and i bet no one will watch Caprica because no one is interested in the franchise anymore, why would anyone care if we already know what happens in the end? its pathetic.
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especially with the archaic forum functions here....But the de rigueur "Amended:" is definitely a pisser-offer.If you really are obsessed with the details, edit your posts in a word processor first, run the spell/grammar check, then cut and paste them. It seems like you see your typo the instant you post, and immediately follow with the amended schtick. Likely, no one even reads the second post to see what insignificant change was made.
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watching BSG was boring and i really dont know how you guys could stand all that pointless crying, its like the whole show was saturated in tears and many creative ways of expressing ur anger lol not letting adama paint my room thats for sure. admit it fools, you guys got played and wasted 4 years of ur life watching a shitty show, when you couldve spent it watching greatness unfold in the stargate universe. redeem yourselves now and watch Stargate Universe; its the least you could do for yourselves.
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AICN wont be the same without typos and silly grammatical erorrs
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You seem to be seriously expecting your scripts, treatments, and suggestions to be acted upon via posting here, MM. Possibly, and with all due respect, some therapy and medication may be in order.But please, if you won't do that, at least control yourself and prohibit yourself from any more "amended" posts.... That will be progress.
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if you really are a fan of all things SG, you do it a disservice by alienating everyone here with your ridiculous posts.If you are not fan, just posting to get a rise out of people, then you are a tool and a troll.If you want to "represent" SG, tone it down and behave with respect for others. If you don't, then we'll be assured of your tool/troll status.
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maybe you're the troll. you do nothing here but complain. go back to sleep old man
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thinks it is realevery time he sees a ring with a liquidy center, he tries to jump thru itspends a lot of time with his head in the toiletit explains a lot, actually
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diox, BSG will be remembered for a long while by geeks. Most geeks, however, hardly realized SG was ever on.
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Stargate was a great space opera
And I hope Universe continues and improves its legacy
Your failure to appreciate it, was exactly that.
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you know what fun is, dont ya? you bitter man
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Okay, either way, let's play your game and say that I am deluded. You can instantly cure me and destroy that dellusion by taking "The MM Challenge", by bothering to describe this series, "Dollhouse" in one or two sentences...and then by besting my story outline. I have had this offer out there for over 3 months on AICN.com, and none of my critics have proven me wrong...by besting me. Every last one of them doesn't have the talent to do it--not even one??? Now, if you think you do have the talent, prove it, for all to see--or exit this discussion.You won't take the challenge, however, and we both know it. You'll make-up some phony excuse, and not do it...because you can't best me. I rest my case. Now, take your pencils and go back to writing for Mutant Enemy.
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are busy rubbing one off over their 4 D cell (batteries not included) light sabre
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my mother likes it and shes not a geek. if my mom likes something then its definitely NOT sci fi.
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BSG: Wait I was Wrong! God Didn't Do It!!!
BSG: Write Me A Check! Please!!!
BSG: EJO Wants to make another "So Say We All" Speach! -
BSG: So Cry We All BSG: all along the watch tower BSG: Earth is boring
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and I thought Dollhouse was getting pretty good towards the end, but- It needs a strong season start to bang up finish. Frankly, I'd plan on the 13th being finito, yet with enough left hanging and promising to stake a third season on. We'll see.
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Your self-delusion extends to your "challenge" and interpreting the result of no takers to mean your talent reigns supreme....The real reason no one takes on your "challenge" is that no one cares what you think, no one wants to waste their time "besting" you because it has no value to anyone but you.Anyone who complains that your endlessly amended posts are annoying must somehow be "jealous" of you. I guess it must be that you just like any attention in these TBs, since you can twist it to somehow be validating your "greatness". So I won't trouble with you any longer.Peace
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I am a fan of both SG1 and BSG: I see merits in both, though they are different. I see No Need to assert it in every TB here, insult fans of anything else.your need to do so makes you a tool and troll of the highest order, which I can only assume you consider to be a compliment
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I, too, blame the awkward beginning of the first season on the Suits at Fox. As the season unfolded, more of Whedon's influence became apparent, and the show became more interesting, more intriguing, with more apparent potential. I'm glad it got a second season to see if it can find its legs.Killiing Pher Pher Binks in the first episode of Season 2 would go a long way to resolving the problems with the show, and would "best" any idea MM could offer! Pher Pher Binks Must Die!!I wish Sarah Connor Chronicles had another season.... Probably, if the choice of only one were mine alone, I would have gone for S3 of SCC, and not S2 of Dollhouse.
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You complain all the time, but when asked to put-up, or shut-up, as predicted, you come-up with excuses. When somebody has the guts too take "The MM Challenge", bring it on. I will best you, including you Joss.
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thought I'd fix that one for ya, MM
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Those BSG viewers should be watching Stargate instead, they are the reason SGA got canceled. RIP SGA, we miss you so much.
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Epitah One, any good ?
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For the "best and brightest" each and every episode's plot relied on utter stupidity on everyone's part to get into the problem de jeur, and then complete genius to get out of it.It's cancellation was well deserved, and came way too late.I hope the show-runners have learned from that, and that SGU will be SG1-good.SG1 had some amazing arcs, great characters/development, and some truly great standalone episodes. SGA was a consistent disappointment. Fingers crossed for SGU (but the holding of breath is ill-advised)
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Ummm...ok? Please don't feed these trolls. Probably the best science-fiction show in TV history, and I thought the two-part ending was great. Sorry it dissatisfied a few gaping assholes. And I'm baffled that people actually watched (or are still watching?) SG.
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don't we already know what's happening in the next 10 years of the show? Caroline wakes up inside Echo, the black guy gets shot and has to escape, they use the tech to wipe everyone over the phone, etc? Every episode not related to that will be "filler" now.
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Don't remember it's title
Shepard and McKay get conned into escorting this kid princess to some spot in the woods for some coming of age ceremony.
Half way thru the first part of the journey, they stop for a break.
Shepard drops his pack and goes recon,
The *princess* rummages thru it and swipes his rations and starts eating them in front of McKay.
McKay's like your going to be in trouble when Shepard get back.
The *princess* goes. "I'm a princess and can do whatever I want" "And besides Shepard likes me more than he likes you"
Shepard comes back. Princess shoves whats left of the rations into McKays hands
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And never speak of Stargate in the same breath as Galactica. Unless you're saying someting to the effect of, "If Stargate was ten times better, than maybe it could suck Galacticas balls in terms of awesomeness."The only thing Stargate is better than, any incarnation of it, is prison rape.
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It's kinda like seeing Serenity after watching a couple of episodes of Firefly. I don't quite get the logic since we know the future for the most post and it's going to be a lot harder to do any "big reveals" or even expand on the dangers of the Dollhouse technology being more than just making better hookers.
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No overdose of Adama meltdowns
Of course with SG you never had the oppertunity to count evey single of EJO teeth.
From the front, and the even more disturbingly seen the backs of all his teeth.
From above, from below
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Has he posted here before? Is he new? I don't ever remember seeing him before.Wait...who was I talking about? I forgot the moment I asked.
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Is that the one about the hooker with dysentery?
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Nice to see ya--thanks for the laugh!
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Anytime, sir. Good to see you as well. So, what are these fools trying to say about BSG?All evidence points to SG being nothing more than white noise. TV fodder. It's the dramatic story telling equivalent of an MTV reality show. Yeah...SG sucks.
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and decided the entire series was just drunken droolin weepin adama. The other one keeps stickin his head thru the toilet seat and into the water hopin to find a wormhole. The third thinks he is the messiah.They are each TalkBack Chihuahuas: they make a lot of noise, they're a pain in the ass, but no real threat...
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Sounds like there be trolls here.
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the end. At least he got to bang Boomer.
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No, Helo was one of the few who remained true throughout. Now, Starbuck on the other hand...
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Jul 28, 2009 10:53:07 PM CDT
Yea, but ya had to love Starbuck's cacklin laugh in combat
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Katee Sackhoff is the guest--he sends her across the street, she walks into the Starbucks and screams "If this is Starbucks, what am I?!?! WHAT AM I?!?"
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about the spaceship coal miners. He also fought Roslin on some occasions.
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Helo was the moral compass. Sometimes, he went against the tide.
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BSG is dead. STARGATE lives on.
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compare this trailer http://tinyurl.com/m3xwsx with this http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol
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The Adama Atmo-Jump Manuever trounces all.Who are you again?
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There is something to that involuntary commitment thing. Although in Lockes case the last one didn't take. MM seems to immune to Psychotropic medication. Maybe it's time to go old school and drill holes in his head to let out the bad humors.
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http://tinyurl.com/lxxtjg the shrine
http://tinyurl.com/mv64z4 Midway
http://tinyurl.com/n6ypm8 first contact
http://tinyurl.com/ll7y3x fran
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Jul 29, 2009 1:13:07 AM CDT
Xipos: Attack Me All You Want, But Take The MM Challenge
by media messiah
If you can best me...I will surrender, and shut-up!!! You can all be rid of me. All you have to do is describe the show in 1 to 2 sentences successfully, and completely...and write a better season 2 outline than me. Do that, in an honest effort, and you win. I'll give-up, and you can call me a nut all you want, and know you came by that assessment fair, and square, but until then, you are just name calling out of jealousy. And yes, I included Joss Whedon in on my challenge, because, why not??? It sounds like fun to me, and rather inspired. Besides, he might be a fun enough guy to accept? Who knows?
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So not only does Joss read AICN in your mind, he's actually going to look at your posts and think "Wow, yeah, I think I'll login anonymously and teach this young whippersnapper a lesson"
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Again, it doesn't matter if we don't identify with Echo as it is an ENSEMBLE show. The same with Lost, affection for the lead isn't necessary. The show needs to do what it does better, rather than become something different. And re: your challenges, do kindly fuck off. No-one is taking it because people don't think the show needs changing... they either like what it is, or don't care enough about it either way.
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coal miners was the shief. Galen.
And both Adama and Roslin erred and made bad moral decisions
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He ends up in a pile of puthy
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Jul 29, 2009 3:53:04 AM CDT
Mr. Zeddemore: The MM Challenge. You Don't Have The Talent...
by media messiah
...to take, or meet, the challenge. Dodge all you want, you don't have the talent to take my challenge. All you can do is curse and call names, just like any immature 5 year old. I'll admit that "Dollhouse" has become something of an ensemble. This is something that I also suggested after witnessing a series of episodes that Eliza couldn't carry, but the series was originally meant as a starring vehicle for Eliza, not an ensemble. That said, if you wish to compare "Lost" and its format with that of Dollhouse, I think that is fair, but Lost has its heroes, villains, and love stories--but so far, however, Dollhouse has neither, and as I pointed out in upteen posts--that is what is wrong with the series, as there are no entry point characters that the audience can vicarously live through, or root for??? Once more, Lost has that, Dollhouse doesn't, the reason why Lost is a hit, at least in part, and why Dollhouse is on life support.
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Jul 29, 2009 4:04:28 AM CDT
V'Shael: You Make Accusations, But You Bring No Intellgence...
by media messiah
...to the discussion. You assail me...but offer no creative views whatsoever, when it comes to the show...or ideas of what you might like to see as a viewer, or what might be fixed, if anything, about the series? Again, Whedon says the show is broken...so I am not out of bounds here...in my critiques. The show's own creator agrees...it has its problems, and he is trying to fix them. You however say I am off base with my suggestions, but you bring nothing to the party??? You have no views other than to attack others who offer ideas? I, at least, am willing to place myself on the firing line for the review of others, or their scorn, but you are nothing but a coward...hiding in the shadows.I'm calling you out on this. Take my challenge, or continue to be the coward that you are.
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Really, if you can out-write my story outline, I will openly give you credit, and surrender. At least try, instead of just throwing rocks, and hiding your hands???
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AMENDED AMENDED AMENDED AMENDED AMENDED AMENDED AMEMDED AMENDED
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MM, or Spike, or whatever you're calling yourself today...
(Apologies to anyone else, for taking up this space in the talkback.)
First, I've already gone on record with my "ideas" for season 2. Which, to be honest, after seeing Epitaph one, were FAR more in line with the future of the show, than your lame Alias-Joe 90 hybrid idea. Questioning the nature of identity, immortality for rich people, body upgrades, editing the personalities of politicians and industrialists etc...
Of course, pointing this out to you is probably futile, since you've already stated that you think me and about 5 others (last count) work for Mutant Enemy. Clearly, I have an inside track or something.
Second, disagreeing with you is not an "attack", and your frequent whining about attacks are almost as annoying as the constant Amendments. (Though not quite.) If you want to see something that looks like an attack, check out the exchanges between Ace of Wands and Hollywood Hellraiser above.
Lastly, questions about your sanity are actually not attacks either. They started as well meaning requests that you get yourself some help. Two reasons for that. 1) Some people here do have some experience with this, and wanted to help. 2) Even with no direct personal experience of it, humans are pretty good about spotting abberant behavior.
Analogy time : Let's suppose there's a guy who stands outside the grounds of the White House, speaking (not shouting) his ideas about how to run the country, and pointing out what he thinks are the mistakes of the administration. He does this for about an hour a day, like a regular meeting. Every once in a while, the President makes some policy decision in line with the guys "advice". He then emails a letter to the whitehouse.gov site, saying "Dear President Obama, I'm so grateful you took my advice on the matter of..." etc...
Now, if someone comes across this guy, do they say to themselves "Aha! this gentleman is making the logical fallacy of post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc." ? No, they don't. They make the equally correct but more visceral judgement "This guy's a nutter."
They could try to politely point this out to the man. But he tells them that the technology exists to hear what he says. His constant presence outside the white house has likely raised a flag on an NSA memo somewhere, and so they are likely bugging him while he's there. And he's using the opportunity to advice the President, since he'll likely be given transcripts of the taps.
The person talking to the loon is now at a loss. The technology DOES exist. His continuous presence probably IS in a security memo somewhere. But even so, he's CLEARLY a loon. And like most people who have a tenuous grip on reality, he's also completely unaware of it.
Similarly, your posts give off the "I'm a loon" vibe. The abuse of the question mark. The Amendments. The accusations that your detractors work for Mutant Enemy. The idea that Joss reads these boards, and is aware of your existence. Etc...
And honestly, I KNOW you won't accept that remote diagnosis. I KNOW you think these comments are attacks. But if it will humour you, I'll try to answer your "challenge" in the next post. (Probably after you've decided to never read any of my posts. Again.) -
they haven't cancelled this yet?
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An inspiring lesson on how to rebot a pre-existing show and do it right and even have enough ambition to aim to do it better.Ronald D. Moore should return to Star Trek. It's obvious he really loves it, and he understands it,a nd he would make a hell of a job with it, instead of the recent artistic filmmaking fiasco.
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It seems some of use are burden with our own personal obsessive stalkers. I got one too. You want IT for trade?
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I don't even know why you bother sometimes. It's nice that you try though.
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It so seems some of us are burden with our own personal obsessive stalkers. I got one too. You want IT for trade?
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Or are they both misunderstood?
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That is all.
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I don't think anyone's bad here. MM has some issues, which we I try to ignore. Sometimes he pushes my buttons though. He's harmless, and can on occasion be genuinely insightful, even if you don't agree with him.
While I can be a real opinionated prick at times (who isn't? it's a fucking talkback after all) I'm just another anonymous asshole on the net, like everyone else here. I'm certainly not stalking anyone. -
in what people thought of the recent Trek movie, I stand by my opinion that it was the worst of the Trek movies (including Final Frontier).
(Evidence is in talkbacks 41016 and 40965)
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You are not alone thinking like that. And guess what, there's more and more who think like you then you might imagine. Thing is, most of them still don't have the heart to say so, not in a public forum, still the fear many have to row against the current, even if it's the current of wrong.Take year, one year from now, the majority of the opinions here about Dawson's Trek will be more to the negative then positive, and some of those who wuill bash it are people who onced liekd it and will pretend they never did, for embaracement and shame they had been dupped. Happened with ID4, happened with Godzilla 1998, happened with Pearl Harbor, happened with Troy, happened with Tranformers, will happen again.
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So what you have with Media Messiah is in fact a healthy and passionate repartee. Those are good. And that you do give respectful compliments about your adversary is a good thing. I say, many good friendships start that way.
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Media Messiah has a mental illness. Its a fact. I tried explaining to him my story, as a schizophrenic, and its unbelievably eerie how I feel like I'm reading and talking to myself from four years ago. I was EXACTLY like Media Messiah on these talkbacks, arguably worse. I know what I'm talking about and Media Messiah is delusional. I read a message from him saying how he was talking to Ryan Reynolds on another sites message boards and apparently Media Messiah hurt his feelings with his ideas. He is hopeless, and mentally ill. I was not suprised even a little when I read that his girlfriend broke up with him--relationships with an unchecked mental illness simply cannot work until the person with the mental illness realizes something is wrong and actively seeks help--if media messiah could have accepted that, its far less likely that hsi girlfriend breaks up with him. Media Messiah--you need help, and you will continue to alienate those close to your unless you accept the fact you have a problem. The people around you will sympathize and help you get your life in order. You're going to be a lonely person if you keep this up. FUCK MAN--GET SOME HELP.
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It's very simple - no one has to answer your challenge. Not answering your challenge does not make us failures. Offering your challenge does not make you a success. Why? Because NO ONE FROM MUTANT ENEMY IS READING THIS. Even if they were, do you think they are stupid enough to scoop up ideas offered on a message board? Have you heard about no-open returns of unsolicited manuscripts? They don't want to get sued by someone who thinks Mutant Enemy may have stolen an idea, so they deliberately refuse to accept suggestions, for the most part. Good lord man - while it's possible they might find your idea interesting, they certainly are not going to run with it, for two reasons. First, your idea is a major shakeup of the concept. If Whedon wanted to to "Alias," he would have. Second, you offer your idea amongst other messages filled with outrage and ire and paranoia. Who would want to work with someone like that?
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FUCK DOLLHOUSE!
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just more of the same? I mean really, Dollhouse gets its share of stick, but apart from the atrocious Popstar singer episode the rest were pretty good, some had admittedly naff bits (the dead woman one, and the cult) but each episode at least TRIED to offer some new wrinkle to the Dollhouse technology.
People talk about not having a central character to root for, like that is some great barrier for sucess, have you not seen any of the CSI shows? They don't have ANY characters, just walking plot exlainers, and it hasn't harmed them at all. Yes Echo is a bit of a void, THAT IS THE POINT. Its a slow burn. And by the end of season 1 we'd seen Adelle, Topher and Ballard's inner lives and they all became rounded, real characters. I don't think the show needs a reboot of any kind, just greater quality control. By the end of season 1 it seemed to have found its feet, I'm sure S2 will continue in the same vein. -
Neither do I. Memo to self. Must press P key harder.
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I really, really, wish MM would just be banned, if only so we can then talk about something other than his delusions in a Dollhouse talkback. You know what "bests" your ideas, MM? How about every episode, even the weakest ones, of the actual fucking show? I echo (no pun intended) what others have said: no one's taking your "challenge" because no one cares about you, your insane narcissism, megalomania, and paranoid delusions. The only thing they care about is how much space you take up in these talkbacks. No one - I repeat - no one reads your amended posts. So just stop. Your constant need for validation and your imaginary notion that someone important might read this are laughable and really just sick and sad.
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Mmmm, Jamie Bamber aka fat lee = NO. Jamie Bamber = towel lee --series regular please!!!
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It's Elisha Dusku, isn't it?
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Yes, it's Eliza Dushku. As for whether or not it's good, well, that's a matter of some debate.
The thing is, the core concept is one that (while a familiar SF one) has never been done on TV before. On the other hand, if you're a reader of SF, then it's probably old hat.
The biggest problem is that season 1 didn't address the real-world applications of the technology in the show. If that tech existed, it would not be used for a high-class brothel or whatever. It would be used in a much more sinister way.
The finale (not aired,only on DVD) on the other hand, showed EXACTLY what a cynical world would do with such technology. And it was a MASSIVE improvement on the series as a whole.
So ultimately, I'd say it's worth a look, but don't expect greatness in the first season. Expect adequacy, with some dud episodes. But expect greatness from Epitaph One, and hopefully we can all expect good things from Season 2. -
Thanks for your post. It's not easy for people to admit that they had a mental disorder, though truth be told you're not the first to admit this in an effort to get through to Media Messiah.
If you don't mind taking advantage of the anonymous nature of the internet, I'd be interested to hear (and I think it might prove useful reading) you tell us more about how you came to realise you had a problem.
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if Jamie Bamber had scenes with Alexis Denisof, not with Mr."Wooden" Penikett.
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"Expect adequacy, with some dud episodes. But expect greatness from Epitaph One, and hopefully we can all expect good things from Season 2."So it's like Buffy.
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As V'Shael said, it takes some courage to do what you have, especially when it's just to upbraid an internet troll. You're trying to help him, too, it seems, which is honorable if perhaps impossible.
I suffer from bipolar disorder, myself. While I've experienced moments - even weeks - of self-righteousness verging on megalomania, I've never approached the sheer ass-headedness of MM. Anyone as articulate and self-aware as MM should know he's sick. If he's not conscious of it, those around him should be trying to help him. If he remains stuck, he's no one to blame but himself.
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Again...call names all you want, that doesn't move me, either way. When you have the talent, you dare to show it, and when you don't, and can't compete, you simply hide, and call names...as children do.
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What makes you think you have the talent? Being able to throw out ideas on an interminable series of TBs means nothing. Everyone has ideas. That doesn't mean they're any good. Get back to us when you've sold something to Mutant Enemy - having impressed them with your revamping of "Dollhouse." Until then, you might want to stop embarrassing yourself.
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Have you ever seen the movie NO WAY TO TREAT A LADY? Rod Steiger is a serial killer going around killing women. Not a character ANY of us would identify with, hopefully. But none of us NEED to because it's an interesting and darkly humorous movie where Steiger adopts a different persona to ingratiate himself with each woman. Different accents, disguises etc. That makes it fun to watch.I'm rewatching Dollhouse on DVD since I missed several episodes during the season. I like Eliza Dushku but I'm starting to agree with some of her detractors. For this concept to work at all you need real chameleons playing the actives. You can't just put glasses on Eliza and put her hair in a bun and say Wow! It's a new personality.You really need a young Meryl Streep as Echo. She should have a different hair color and a different accent in every episode. She should have 13 completely different personalities.That's the problem with this show in the long run. There's only so many variations on this theme they can do. If you had multipart episodes where she had to be the same personality for weeks or months that MIGHT be an improvement. But that isn't how the show is supposed to work.
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Why would I want to take your "challenge" up? What is the "challange" by the way? Descripe the show in two sentences and some how beat out your "ideas", i.e. your opinion. I think Doll House sucks and can't be saved so why would I try> One thing that is a fact though, it most definantly can't be saved by an off his nut public library dweller such as yourself. Good day sir and the next time you score a bed in the shelter take a shower, you're getting quite ripe bubba.
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Excellent news about Bamber joining "Dollhouse." He's really a good actor, and I'm excited to see what part Joss gives him. Probably FBI, though I could be wrong.
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If you can't write, then don't challenge a writer. I don't mind your collective rants, but you buffoons, and your buffoonery, are wasting my time. When, or if, you wish to answer my challenge, you know where to find me--or else...stay away from me, and don't talk to me. You don't have the wits to even speak one intelligent sentence to me--the reason why you haven't, thus far. Ants should never attempt to speak to giants, you'll only get crushed...as you should. I am done with you morons.
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If you don't want people to talk to you, don't post.
Or at least don't post something completely inane.
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Personally, I kind of hate this sort of thing. I think it was lampooned brilliantly in Robert Altmans movie "The Player" where every single movie pitch was "It's like (movie A) meets (movie B)"
So you'd have someone say "It's like Die Hard meets The Little Mermaid" or something equally fucking nuts.
If you can describe the concept of a show in 3 lines, it may not be a very good concept/show. "Blonde cheerleader fights vampires. But she's all wacky and californian. And she falls for vampire!" Sounds a bit crap actually.
Still, if I was to try and get Dollhouse in 3 lines, I'd say :
What happens when your identity, your personality and your memories are something you can change as easily as a suit of clothes? Would you still trust the tailor? Dollhouse imagines a world where peoples bodies are a commodity for hire, to the rich and powerful.
I think that just about covers it, but in a way that doesn't make me go "sounds a bit crap". -
I don't think I've seen this mentioned on Coaxial in any of the discussions about Season 2. These 2 ladies have left (they were part of the show running team).
Take a look at their bios online. They contributed heavily to the final seasons of Angel, and some of the later seasons on The Shield. Pretty good credentials if you ask me.
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Fain and Craft were on Carnivale too I think. As you said, good writers. I guess it depends on who they replace them with.
And Media Messiah, (nice modest moniker BTW) I answered your "challenge" about 20 posts up the TB, the grand concept I came up with was "more of the same". Inspired, I know. Next time guy, don't go off meds okay? -
Nice nick, btw. Goldberg Variations?
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but there was never one opened specifically for the news. The 2 female creators of Reaper replace them, which I thought was kinda of interesting. There is a very high ratio of female writers for a show some dimissed as "anti-femminst" and only hooker bait. I think Jed & Joss are the only two consistant male writers actually.
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because everyone has had a crack at it, even Herc. It doesn't make any difference because his argument hasn't changed since episode 3. The show has obviously evolved since those dreadful stand-a-lones but his argument hasn't. And frankly, I can't even tell if he watched the last half of the season and retained what he saw. In an E1 thread, he hasn't even mentioned if he saw the fucking thing or not.
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Don't get mad at me for writing something that actually makes Dollhouse less convoluted, more linear, and serves to give sense to the story narrative. Joss Whedon is one of the greatest writers I have ever witnessed, but...clearly, he doesn't understand the cloak and dagger genre. I was simply trying to make sense out of a show that can sometimes, more often than not, be all over the place, again, giving viewers no real jumping in point for the story, or the characters. My outline accomplishes that very feat...and that is my point. If you have a better way to accomplish that, then post it. As stated, Joss Whedon himself says the show is in need of a fix...and yet, despite your assailing me, like religious zealots protecting your cause, not one of you seems to have a clue, on how to accomplish that task??? Well, I do, as demonstrated by my outline, and not one of you has dared to top it--because you can't??? The silence is telling!!!
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Or the original unaired ep?
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I was banned by Herc so now can only post at work. My name was wixmmm and i've tried at length to help media messiah but have had no success and it appears he's still in denial.The moment I finally realized I had a problem was actually forced on me. No one could get through to me. What ended up happening was that I had a nice apartment on the 22nd floor of the building. CHRISTMAS EVE I found myself on a ledge no more than 3-4 feet long and I wasn't just standing there--I was singing and dancing. I had my earphones plugged into my computer and connected to a 25 foot cable so I could hear the music outside. The dancing and singing wiped me out, so I pulled a blanket out there with me and started to take a nap on the ledge. The person who saved my life was the one who came up with the idea to cut the power from the building. I awoke from my nap because the music stopped. I climbed back into my apartment and tried to get the music going again. THen like 15 cops (maybe more) busted down my door. I was tazered TWICE at the same time, but my chemical imbalance (mental illness problem--not drugs) was so messed up, I just stood there and let them tazer me twice... the looks on their faces that i didn't fall down and had to be tackle me will be etched in my memory forever, as the two scars from the tazers are reminders also.So I ended up waking up in a straight jacket in milwuakee county psych ward (scary place) and didn't remember the day before. Try waking up in a straight jacket in a public psych ward on CHRISTMAS DAY. Its not easy.So I picked myself back up after recovering for 6 months and went back to school for 2 1/2 years and graduated with a degree in creative writing and am doing very well. I even run a young adult support group. I have yet to meet someone who was as deep in as I was, and there are many, many who were not in as deep as me but are unable to work or go to school. Media Messiah is the only person I've come across who is so much like I was... seriously, i ts eerie how similar we are on these talkbacks.I'm in the process (deep in the process) of writing a book about my experience and my writing workshop loves it... their biggest critique is that parts don't seem realistic (they don't know its a true story.) WHat's unique about my book is that its not a memoir or a looking back on it kind of book. I narrate it through the unreliable mind of my insane and delusional rationale at that time. I have asked countless doctors if they've heard of that approach and none have. I'm excited about it.
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Howabout this in three lines:
"a girl's mother left her and her father. her father is a private investigator. the high schoool girl works for him and solves crimes, including murders."WHO WOULD WATCH THAT SHOW!?!?! -
calling it a 'challenge' assumes that MM's idea is actually something 'better' than the show, which it's not. All it does is dumb down the concept and make it completely derivative of a million other shows and movies. But if we call MM on his delusional bullshit, we must work for Mutant Enemy. That's the typical answer. As to the whole "anti-feminist" message of the show: people who claim this have severely missed the point. There was this feminist blog that had a brilliant explanation of the show given this criticism, was linked on one of the earlier Dollhouse talkbacks. The gist is that one shouldn't assume that the message of the show supports the Dollhouse activities. It's much more ambivalent than that.
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Media Messiah said: "The silence is telling!!!"Really, Media Messiah? The silence is telling? What about the countless voices all telling you that you are delusional??? Is that not telling?
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Hey, I didn't realise you were Wixmmm under another name. The book you're writing sounds fascinating. I have come across similar fictitious works, in movie and novel form but I'm not aware of any factual ones. Take something like "Henry, portrait of a serial killer". It is a disturbing look at how a fractured mind sees the world, but obviously it's not based on a real-life recollection. Fiction (whether it's movies or books) generally sells better when the crazy people are killers, and/or die at the end.
I think it'd be quite something to read a tale of how someone managed to hoist themselves up by their bootstraps. -
if you want to post your thoughts on the ep.
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"My outline accomplishes that very feat...and that is my point."
Yet again, we have to point something out to you about your "solution". (It's been done before, but as usual, you ignore it.)
1) Joss doesn't want to do generic we've-seen-it-before television like Alias.
2) It doesn't give Dushku what she wanted from the show, which was the opportunity to play different characters every week (though not an athology show) and expand her range as an actress.
3) It won't save money. That is, it won't be cheaper than Season 1. ANYONE can write an outline with NO regard for a budget.
And right now, Fox has cut the budget for season 2.
You want to impress someone? Try coming up with an outline that can be done for CHEAPER than season 1.
I won't hold my breath. -
if the show is still running that 6 minutes longer than standard (about 49 minutes) next season? Because some of the episodes I thought were a little slow paced so if it goes back to 42mins most of those problems will solve themselves. The concept for this show is really strong, I'm sure now the teething problems have been sorted out if'll grow a larger fanbase.
It'd be good if Reed Diamond came back as well, although I'm not sure how that'd be possible. Besides, Victor does a good Mr Dominic anyway. -
Pizza on the way, beer in front of me, smoke lit. Strating off with a little Joss commentary for Man on the Street, then straight into E1.
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Fox got rid of the 90 second commercials for both D'House & Fringe. Also, Kellerman (Reed) will be back but recurring. Budget cuts :/
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Joss is using past tense. He *totally* thought it was going to be canceled when he did this. Interesting things so far:
The first 5 eps he calls "baby steps" and he feels like they are 5 pilots.
MotS had a 4 day turn over.
He was trying to make this ep delibrately to create opposite opinions (romatasim vs rape) and feels both are valid. However, Sierra's rape by her handler underscored everything that was wrong with Dollhouse. (I totally agree with this. I think they expected the sexual part of the job when they signed up but I think they also were fed the company line about how much they would be cared for and protected while they were working for Dollhouse. A handler raping an Active is the ultimate corruption.) -
Joss: We deceided to explore it early on and obviously we expressed it in the episode before this with the extrodinarily romantic notion of him getting a bunch of boners. LOL
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I wonder what would be the collective for a bunch of boners ie: pride of lions, herd of cattle. I will ponder boners & let you know but share your ideas with me.
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And James Spader's aplomb at his fantasy confession. Feels that like minded fantasies will seek out like minded fantasies, so instead of feeling ashamed, they will find it liberating. (Which totally explains the business of Dollhouse's success, imo, even when the engagements go wrong. There are always going to be people who will take a risk for liberation.)
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I'm waiting 2 weeks for E1, in the UK, the SciFi channel (they still spell it the non-retarded way) are showing it as the season finale. Will this be the only chance to catch it in HD anywhere?
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Truly. Tentpole metaphor. You rock, Goldie.
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As of right now, the closest thing is Boyd; certainly not Caroline but Echo is learning and the idea is that she will eventually become that (the moral centre).
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http://tinyurl.com/lqf57b
Review by the Guardian. Fav line: "Gosh, the science of this is complicated. I'm not built for science. You know what's not complicated? Stabbing vampires. I miss that." -
that they used the crew from "24" to film this ep and not the same crew from the other episodes.
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suit this show. Just like the "Saving Private Ryan" shutter speed for the fight scene between Echo & Ballard; Mellie's "attack".
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Naked girl in shower; fast moving shadow through frame..
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because he's funny & mean." *headpat* Girl after my own dear heart.
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Seems the Dollhouse had their own rules on how to play the game; set thier own limitations. But higher ups are using "laws" (the survival of the fittest? Evolution?) to circumvent the rules.
But how in the hell do you circumvent a biological & physical malady like allergies or poor eyesight or asthma if you are pre-disposed in that condition? I get that they can *add* flaws but what if you already have them? -
fuck, fuck, fuck...
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If the tats were on there forearms instead of tramp stamps on their backs. Although, that's a certain type of synergy as well.
Ha! I that was WAY Harry Potter but I swear I was thinking more Aushewietz that DeathEaters. -
I think we got glimpses of Adelle's motherly & protective side but to see the morally, arrogant Topher reduced to such a thing...payback is indeed a bitch.
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Shooting from a darkened room, through a doorway, where gun flares illuminated the action.
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More Aushewietz references. This is fucked up.
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Nevermind :) You know, I can see where some people were coming from, comparing this ep to a Firefly episode. While Firefly was funny, dramatic and had the underlying "Hands of Blue" menace - the same as Dollhouse - Firefly was extremely high on the exposition end. It wasn't afraid to let a bunch of people just talk for like 5 or 6 pages (1 page = 1 minute). This episode reminded me of that. There was a decent amount of explanation and MOTIVE in between the action. They had a place to get to (Safehaven) & they figured out a way to their mission.
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Jul 31, 2009 2:54:04 AM CDT
I Have Noticed That Most Of You Are Squating On This Talkback???
by media messiah
But, you don't seem to be posting anywhere else most of the time, if at all? You come off like a collective of plants...with an agenda. Well, it my slip past the folks at Fox, but something appears to be up with some of you. As I have assumed for sometime, some of you really come off as Dollhouse insiders. Nothing wrong with protectionism, you guys have to feed your families, I understand that, but when you get this desperate, there's a problem. Try instituting better quality controls with the show, instead of bashing others who point out the need for it. And you can start by writing better scripts.
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Hey, I think there *might* be two things you picked up on incorrectly. (I could be wrong.)
I don't think the Laws vs Rules thing you mentioned above has anything to do with laws of nature/evolution. I got the impression that they were talking about laws in Congress.
The US already has the law of emminent domain, which is basically legal theft of property PROVIDED you can do more for the public good with the property than the current owner. (Who doesn't get a single cent when you take over the property.)
So I took it that they were going to pass laws to make their nefarious deeds legal.
The second point, was about the tatoos. You mentioned putting them on the arms. I think you missed the point there. The tramp stamp is supposed to be so that the individual who is stamped cannot easily see who they are supposed to be.
Suppose you're in a group of people. One of them is wirelessly converted to someone else without your knowledge. They start acting funny. You can quickly say "What is your name?" and if they don't know, or give a name which doesn't match the tattoo on their back, you know they've been replaced. -
Knock it off already. We're posting here because it's the most recent Dollhouse talkback, even if it has fallen from the front page.
You're like some dude in the Twilight Zone, convinced he's surrounded by Mutant Enemy staff. Give it a rest already.
Oh, and thanks for dropping the Amendments. Any chance you could stop abusing the question mark? (The trick is to use just one of them, and only when the sentence is a question.) -
"But how in the hell do you circumvent a biological & physical malady like allergies or poor eyesight or asthma if you are pre-disposed in that condition? I get that they can *add* flaws but what if you already have them?"
I'm not sure what you mean by that. They are moving mind-states into young healthy bodies. Physical allergies and so on are a product of the doll, not the mind. So if you have allergies or asthma or poor eyesight, and you move your mind into Victor, you no longer have that problem.
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...he will likely discover that the majority of you, have been... mostly, if not singularly, posting on this specific Talkback, to the exclusion of others, suggesting you are non-disinterested parties who have a shared agenda--an interest in Dollhouse, from a corporate perspective. I myself, am posting on various Talkbacks on AICN, and I haven't seen most of you posting elsewhere on this site--a pattern I have notice before??? That is absolutely suspect, and to the highest degree. You folks are "Plants"!!! Again...you can fool Fox execs with this routine, but your behavior has been too targeted to be...just a bunch of innocent Tackbackers having fun at the expense of others? Maybe a few of you, but the majority...no way???!!!
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Here's a cluestick for you.
Do a google search for the following terms.
"site:aintitcoolnews.com" V'Shael -dollhouse
That'll use Google to search aicn for all talkbacks where I posted, which do not contain any mentions of Dollhouse.
It's not 100% accurate, because not every talkback gets cached by google, and even in a non-Dollhouse talkback, the show might get mentioned (and so it'll be excluded from the results).
Number of results? 205.
That's 205 talkbacks I've been involved in that didn't have a single mention of Dollhouse.
YOU have only managed to post in 115 talkbacks without a mention of Dollhouse.
I realise facts never get in the way of a paranoid delusion, but I thought I'd point it out for my own amusement. -
"Evolution". I didn't use the word; they did. So I jumped on it. I can see were you are coming from; there a legalese type of contract that binds them and it's certainly valid.
I never thought about it from the angle you suggest: I was more in the mindset of "You fuck with Nature; Nature will fuck you back". I almost feel it's like a terrible forest fire and in the end it's seems like there is nothing but ruin but becasue all the big trees have gone, the tiny plants have a chance to grow.
(I literally turned into a pile of sap as I wrote that.)
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Not like I really needed much of an excuse.
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I was just wondering because Mr. Ambrose downloaded into Victor and he was eating shellfish, which he said he was allergic to. So I was wondering if an active was predisposed to something like that, BEFORE he had another engagement downloaded into him, would carry that trait over.
Simple scenario: Like if Victor - the real Victor - is allergic to peanuts. He goes into anobolatic shock if he eats them. Would you be able to download a personality that wasn't allergic to peanuts? But that's a biological, physical thing. This show is making me wonder how much the mind can overcome a bodies limitations. -
Mr. Ambrose in his original body, was allergic to shellfish. Victors body was not. So Ambrose was enjoying eating shellfish, since he was now able to (Victors body doesn't have the allergy).
If Victor was allergic to something like shellfish or nuts, he wouldn't be a great physical specimen to make a doll out of.
Those traits are genetic, and it doesn't matter who you download into an actives body, once in there, they are going to have the same strengths and weaknesses of the active.
At least that's my take on it. -
You won't find "Epitaph One" (the 13th episode) on HD anywhere, because it wasn't filmed in HD. It was filmed in lower-quality video format to save money (and justified by its post-apocalyptic setting).
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Nobody from Mutant Enemy is on here. Writers for a TV show are going to stay away from forums like this one, because if they were to inadvertently use an idea that was presented on here they'd likely get their pants sued off.
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Everyone has tried; especially V & wimm. But there comes a time when the hand you reach out with gets slapped back too many times. Cut him loose.
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Oh. Shit. Oh well. I'm sure the HD channel will make it look slightly better anyway. They show Angel in HD and I don't think that was filmed that way.
As for you Media Messiah, yes, of course, I'm a fucking Mutant Enemy plant, I work for them despite living on the other side of the world, of course its not possible that I'm just a fan of the show, no, that would be too incredible, Jesus, what a dick. I'm almost convinced now that you are just winding us up, there's no way you could ACTUALLY think like this, I mean there's delusional, then there's "First Round America's Got Talent Reject" delusional, then there's you. Give it up guy.
May have to leave this talkback as E1 spoilers are hard to avoid, and of course MM has discovered my true identity. I'd better report back to Joss... "That Messiah guy is pissed we stole his idea" Fortunately we've still got another 12 guys undercover on the talkback... -
LOL! There's 12 models of plant. And we have a plan. Brilliant.
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I repeat, The 13th flower is green!
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I feel bad for him. But I still want to pick on him. Then I feel bad for picking on him. Which makes me want to pick on him.
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I know what you mean. I like the fact that the talkbacks here are pretty aggressive (though tame compared to some areas on the net) and I feel kind of bad when I see someone so ill-equipped to deal with it. And yet, he can still write the occasional post which just pushes my buttons...
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I frequent the talkabcks for discussions & debates. And if a bitch-fight breaks out - that just makes all the more interesting, imo. One time, someone called me a homosexual turd-eater! I still gigglez about it.
But I broke me teeth on the usenet; the most wretched hive of villany you don't ever want to meet. Talkback is *cake* compared.
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Speaking as a regular from alt.tasteless back in the early 90's when Jeffrey Dahmer used to post his recipes online, I think areas like 4chan are the Mos Eisley's of the internet today.
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You have delved. You have fucking delved into places I don't even want to *know* about. It's like when I went to alt.grotesque because I thought I was going to see horror movie stuff & all I saw was sewed up vaginas. >~~~<
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Back then, when AOL wouldn't let its users get access to groups like a.t, the posters were still pretty educated and literate. As Obi Wan might say, a more civilised age.
But just because some nethead has read Proust and can conjugate in Latin, doesn't mean he or she isn't capable of some incredibly disturbing things...
Stuff I saw/read that still haunts me to this day...
The scrotum-self-repair story. The newsgroup invasion of rec.pets.cats.
The genetic freaks called "fucktards" (winner of the a.t. fiction award).
The design-your-own-tshirt contest.
The mathematics of "cuntspace".
And the home-circumcision story. -
I used to hang around rec.sports.wrestling & alt.pro.wrestling. I used to be in the biz - as a booker & director; not talent - and we used to have a christmas card exchanged from Canada, the US, theUK & Aussie.
The promoter nick named me "Buffy" - hence the buffywrestling hotmail account to co-ordinate things. 3 years later he says to me, "Hey Buff, I saw a movie where you were fighting Dracula and shit."
Here's our last write up:
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They'd have pics of people who have jumped off buildings & their entire guts would be settled in their calves. Seriously. Their calves would be thick as thier empty waists. Horrific. And this was before 9/11. I saw people falling that day & I lost my shit.
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that kind of stuff has migrated to sites like rotten.com or ogrish.com or some such.
Humans are still basically sick. -
Funny thing: I've always been a huge horror movie fan. Seen a lot of fucked up horror - ie: girl's naked ass as a dart board, guy's dick in a hot dog bun being eaten by Dartboard!girl - and I can literally speak back to you every line of Evil Dead & Poltergiest. Started reading "The Shining" - my first "big"book - when I was 13. Had a poster of Friday the13th part 2 of the wheelchair guy with a machete sticking out of his head on my wall. I knew the diffrence between reality and not at a very young age.
You know what really scares me? The Evening fucking News. -
...in your IP addresses. No harm, no foul if I am wrong.
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At least the head of Fox TV can't have you committed. So seriously, go ahead. It won't help either of us in the slightest, but it won't do any harm either.
At this point, I'm not sure ANYTHING could bring you out of your psychotic break with reality. If I gave you my phone number (with international dialing code) you'd still convince yourself I was a Fox employee on holiday in Europe or something.
Some people just can't be helped... -
Pink slips anyone???
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I don't want to say "I told you so" but dude....
Totally told you so.
Most downer thing is: I *still* can't tell if he has seen E1 yet. -
before even I get bored. (And I can watch CSPAN for hours)
You don't have to wait for my "companions" because they are not my companions. We're all just individuals.
So do what you got to do. Fire off an email to the head of Fox TV. Find his email or phone number or try to make your case at reception. Whatever it takes.
There won't be any pink slips, because, as I'm sick and tired telling you, there are no covert Mutant Enemy or FOX employees here. -
He might have seen E1, but since he has a tendency to ignore anything that doesn't fit his world-view, and right now he's convinced the show is an Alias clone, he probably ignored the content of E1.
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but V is one of the best friends you are ever gonna have on these talkbacks.
V'Shael has been trying to reach out to you the entire time. He's been *smacking* you in the head to try to get you to listen to him. For some strange, caring reason, he's worried about you.
But whatever. Instead of actually listening to someone who has been interacting with you, be paranoid & look up IP addies. It'll make you feel better. For a bit. -
Take care of yourself MM & I'll talk to later, V.
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Dude, you're fucking insane. And not just half ass insane, but full blown all in insane. Sweet.
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That's a pink slip.
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We made it back into the top 10! I'd like to thank God - I don't really believe in you but the platypus - How high were you?
(canned laughter)
I'd like to thank Tamoh for being stupid but pretty; Eliza the same. Joss for forgetting to get canceled and my bros in D'House: V, wimm & MM , as crazy as he wants to be. PINK SLIPS!
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This discussion is over. Have fun looking for new careers.
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You see MM, that's another sign of your nuttiness (with a creamy nougat center, no doubt).
Nothing will happen, and you won't conclude "Huh, maybe they were telling the truth after all."
Instead, you'll *add* the head of Fox TV to your web of conspiracy, or at least conclude that he doesn't care about your report.
The thing is, any sane person would have known that the head of Fox TV would not care what a bunch of alleged M.E. writers were up to on a website.
Only a crazy person would have thought to make such a threat. Only a person with a severely diminished grasp of how the world works, would actually believe that threat could be carried out.
But people in your situation are also incapable of realizing how tenuous their grip on reality is. -
Do you even bother reading the posts, I wonder?
You seem to think people were firing off last minute begging notes for a reprieve. "No please, MM!! Don't do it".
To which you can reply "Too late" and let the hammer fall.
But no. The only two who bothered to answer you, said basically "Sure, do it."
"Too late" is a non-sequiter response.
Maybe you see a different version of the talkback board than the rest of us. Maybe on the board in your mind, we were all begging you to save our jobs? -
Thanks a lot Media Messiah. How was I to know it was company policy to stay away from Talkbacks?
I've got a wife, 4 kids, 1 of whom is a bit mental, a mortgage, a dog, a cat, a lone shark that wants paying, a sick mother, a sicker father, phone, gass and electric bills, a gambling addiction, a crack addiction, an uncancellable subsciption to Reader's Digest and outstanding payments on a less-than-outstanding car. I relied on my script editor position at Mutant Enemy for support, now what am I going to do? I hope you realise you've ruined my life with your entirely justified and in no way delusional paranoia. So thanks as bunch. Some messiah you are.
Oh well. I guess I'll go work on Heroes. -
You realise he's possibly too far gone to see you're joking, right?
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a couple of typos in there though. Maybe I should write an ammended version?
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