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If You've Been Wondering When The Expanded LORD OF THE RINGS Films Would Arrive On Blu-Ray...
Merrick here...
This information apparently hit late last week, but slipped through the cracks in the torrent of Comic-Con madness. As it's still germane, I thought I'd go ahead and pass it along.
When THE LORD OF THE RINGS Blu-Rays were announced (HERE
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We received quite a bit of mail about this, so I thought you might be interested in Collider's Comic-Con conversation with Peter Jackson:
He told me the first editions to hit Blu-ray are going to be the theatrical versions and a year later we’d get the extended editions. The only good news is he told me the studio has started talking to him about doing some new extras for the Blu-ray extended editions. No word on exactly what the new stuff might be.
...Jackson told Collider HERE.
So, Blu-Rays of the expanded editions of the films are about a year away (bet they push 'em further back - possibly to coincide with the release of THE HOBBIT?), and they're already working on extras beyond what will appear on the theatrical length set linked above.
If you've never seen the extended version of these films, definitely consider giving them a look. When I first heard about them, I was unable to conceive that such long films could in any way benefit from being expanded. But, damn it, as far as I'm concerned the longer versions work quite a bit better than the theatrical releases. They seem to flow better, and come across as much more well rounded.
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What a dastardly marketing venture these LOTR home videos have become. Where's the version that takes out the homoeroticism of a bunch of men fighting over a piece of jewelry? I'll buy that for a dollar!
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is the most important part of the book trilogy , still missing from the movie extended versions?
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Let's face it, it's the most anticipated, non-existent box set yet to come out. Rumors persist of strange goings on inside Lucasfilm. Everything from cleaning up deleted scenes from the original trilogy for insertion into the films to the four hour version of Revenge of the Sith have been speculated upon. Everyone knows that there's a hell of a lot of material that Lucasfilm have held back for the long rumoured saga box set.
Lord of the Rings is on its way. Godfather is already here. The Matrix is already here. If there is one series of films that demands a Blu Ray release it's Star Wars. Sure, some will accuse Lucas of just trying to squeeze money out of fans but fuck that, I want to see the Tantive IV above Tatooine being chased by a massive Star Destroyer in High Definition...just please fix the errors of the 2004 editions. -
Yeah, if he can re-do TPM and AOTC to be less lame, I'm all for the Lucas money-squeeze. Guy messes around with the OTs for no good reason, there's certainly plenty of justification for him "fixing" his PT.
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what the hell else is there to say? the extended editions had well over 3hrs worth of extras PER MOVIE. i mean really.
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While I'm not exactly a Kevin Smith fan, he actually wrote one of the funniest - and dead-on - critiques of these over hyped, shitty films I've ever read with the Randall monologue in Clerks 2. Bang on. The books are masterpieces, the films - not even fucking close. Amazing technical achievements, no doubt. But not good movies. And why do I KNOW that's what I'll be saying about Avatar in the future...seems kind of inevitable. Normally I'm open minded until I've seen a film, but fuck, that film is going to suck big time, and you all know it, deep down. And how the fuck did you shitbags get me off the subject of how shit the LotR movies? Tricksy bastards that you are.
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Some of the scenes should have stayed cut. Like the Council of Elrond where Gandalf starts speaking the black speech of Mordor...which is the inscription on the Ring. It just didn't play out right...it broke up the rhythm and just was a "thud". I know it was in the book, but it didn't work in the movie...at least now how it was cut in the extended version. Could of done without the Nazgul about to attack and kill Gandalf right before the Riders of Rohan showed up too....I mean, he HAD Gandalf. He was broken, thrown to the ground and he was easing up for the kill, and he hears a horn and just leaves? Seriously? How about a quick kill, THEN leave. Come on...
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...was only missing the massive gay Hobbit orgy. That's the only place that scene was going if Jackson hadn't yelled 'cut' when he did. Those actors were all about the method, you know.
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That whole scene was a retarded mess. In the book, Gandalf and the Witch King have a confrontation at the gates of Minas Tirith; but then the horn sounds and the Nazgul leaves. NEVER does he destroy Gandalf's staff or knock him down. I don't know what the fuck Peter was thinking with modifying this scene for NO FUCKING REASON.
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Jul 27, 2009 12:31:03 PM CDT
"Return of the King" really benefits from Christopher Lee
by the reluctant austinite
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"game changer" "Like dreaming with your eyes open" "Revolutionary" "Epic masterpiece" "this generations Star Wars"
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As a prequel fan (I still think TPM gets better with age) I have to agree. The amount of stellar stuff from AOTC and ROTS (especially the latter) that was left on the cutting room floor is astounding.
But the amount of BTS material that has never seen the light of day is said to be even more amazing.
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The extended Council of Elrond is the raddest shit of all time. Probably my favorite of all the deleted scenes. Boromir gets entranced with the ring, Gandalf speaks the ill Mordor talk (I love the last bit....GRRRRRRRRRINT, AH-COOOL!) and the darkness subsides. But you really have to hear it with a good surround sound system, because when Gandalf breaks the spell or whatever, and the light returns, you can hear the trees in the forest bending and creaking, and Sauron faintly laughing in the background. It's fucking intense.
Also, re: Extended editons, the ending of Return of the King changes quite a bit. In the theatrical release, there is no Mouth of Sauron, and therefore there is no presentation of Frodo's mythril shirt, to show that Frodo has been captured and killed. So, in the theatrical release, when Aragorn says "For Frodo" when they attack at the gates, he is doing it to buy Frodo time to make it to Mount Doom, but in the extended edition, he is saying "For Frodo" because he thinks he is dead and Sauron now has the ring, so at this point there is nothing left to lose. That's sort of a hefty shift in tone there, I always thought.
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In fact it is more like advertising. Information about the Hobbit film about to enter production, well that would be genuine Cool News.
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Are you guys trying to start a rumor? Where did you hear about this 4 hour version? I'm not trying to start anything with anyone, I just want to know where you heard about this, because I've heard about it as well, but no one can provide a clear source for this.
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versions anymore at all. Why? There's so much action, character and meaning removed from the shorter versions. And no Chris Lee!
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This is all fine and dandy, but when is Carrot Top's opus finally coming to blu-ray?!?
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Peter Jackson is my favorite director. But these three films are my least favorite of his. I know they are great, but I have no interest in The Middle Earth. Its cool and amazing, but I probably will never watch these again.
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One of Kurt Russell's funnest roles (yea I said funnest) and probably the IDEAL John Carpenter film to benefit from BluRay comes out next week!!!
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The Lord of the Rings are you least favorite Peter Jackson movies? Please don't tell me your favorites are Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles and Braindead.
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Thank god my extended editions look great upscaled via my ps3. I can wait an extra year.
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They such a great job on the DVD the upscale is very impressive. No problem waiting a year for bluray.
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Take Watchman for instance. I want to buy the Blu-Ray but I don't want to have to buy ANOTHER Blu-Ray in two years when Snyder fiddles with it again.
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I think "Episode I" and "II" would actually benefit from leaner, shorter cuts and "Episode III" would be best served with a Jackson-esque 4-hour edit. A few years back, they released "Attack of the Clones" in IMAX format. Back then, the technology could only support a two-hour running time. So Lucasfilm editors have to cut out about 15-20 minutes. Suddenly, it was like we had classic "Star Wars" back. The film moved a lot better. It was much better paced. The "love" scenes were edited down so it was just about the attraction and less chatter between Anakin and Padme. A lot less scenes of ships landing and taking off, of characters walking towards and away from their ships. Case in point. Obi-Wan relays a message back to Yoda and Mace Windu about finding Jango Fett. In the original version, you see him talk with the Kamino alien, then walk to the ship, order his droid to scramble a signal, then he has the conversation with Yoda and Mace. Then, Yoda tells him to fetch Fett and bring him back to Coruscant for questioning. Then, the scene cuts away to the landing platform with Jango and Boba loading their ship. In the IMAX version, the sequence cuts out Obi-Wan's formalities with the Kamino alien, the walk to the ship and the signal scramble. It just begins with him informing Yoda and Mace of the Clone army and Fett's involvement. Yoda says, "Bring his ass back here. Question him we will." Then, BOOM! Cut to a door opening Obi Wan steps out, Boba Fett yells "Dad!" And Jango and Kenobi throw down.
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that's pretty much me with Lord of the Rings. I'm Peter Jackson's bitch.
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I like the extended editions and all, but if I can only afford one I'm getting the theatrical cuts. The extended versions are so long and inconsistently paced that they are an endurance test, and I almost never have time to watch them in one sitting. The theatrical cut of the trilogy is much more tightly paced and overall more enjoyable IMO.
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is SO much better than the theatrical version, it's not even funny.
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Isn't it about time you put your tired old clapped-out franchise on Blu-Ray? That way, you'd get to fleece the mug punters all over again, you bearded tit...
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Puts me to sleep a bit...
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Is a nice original version of Star Wars (without the epsiode 4 bullshit they added) on blu-ray! then with the CE3K blu-ray, Superman the movie blu-ray, and a theoretical King Kong '76 blu-ray (come on people, it was put out on HD-DVD) "the circle" would then be "complete." But Lord of the Rings extended would be cool. Can you buy Star
Trek I and Star Trek II indivually yet?
All you tough scifi geeks don't read the next thing I type....
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just curious... I wanna see the legendary B&W workprint rough cut of Star Wars!
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Those are the 2 that I want to see...NOW!
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Which is why I could never watch the theatrical versions again.
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In gayness terms, it's ageing badly. Even when they first came out, I was perturbed by sam and frodo gazing into each others eyes lustily. I just kept expecting one of them to drop and start sucking on some big D or digging away at each others rings. Now when I watch it, it's impossible for me to stop thinking about it. Does this mean I have a thing for gay hobbits?
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A buddy of mine years ago edited down Episodes 1/2 and I have never gone back to watch the shitty theatrical cuts. Hardly any Jar Jar, minimal love chatter, gone is "are you an angel?" bullshit. They're not terribly bad movies once you get rid of all of Turkey Necks BS.
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...will NEVER appear in ROTK. PJ, Walsh, and Boyens felt that it would kill the narrative flow of the film to have the war end and have the Hobbits come home only to have to fight _another_ battle. They also felt that it would damage the pay-off for the Hobbits to come home and find their idyllic pastoral home despoiled. The Scouring scene in Fellowship where Frodo looks into the mirror will remain the only time we see the Scouring. As far as new material goes, I really hope that one of the things they add will be scenes they can cut to during the seige of Minas Tirith showing all of the other battles going on at the same time throughout the rest of Middle Earth. In the Appendices Tolkien says that Sauron also sent forces from Dol Guldur (a castle north of Mordor also on the east side of the Anduin river) to attack Lothlorien, Mirkwood (the home of Legolas' wood-elves), and Dale & Erebor/the Misty Mountain (the home of Gimli's dwarves). If they could film some shots of the overall siege of these locations (and possibly Celeborn and Galadriel's retaliatory assault on, and destruction of, Dol Guldur) and cut them into the Battle of the Pelennor fields or Battle of Morannon (in front of the Black Gate) that would be awesome. Particularly so since with The Hobbit we will become intimately familiar with Mirkwood, Dale, The Lonely Mountain, and Dol Guldur (assuming they film The White Council and driving out the necromancer). Presumably by the time they start working on the Blu-Ray release they'll already have started making the CGI models for those areas, if they haven't already. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Blu-Rays come out at about the same time as Part I of The Hobbit.
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is that when you watch the original cut on tv or wherever, you're constantly dissapointed when an extra scene is not present. I don't see the point in releasing the theatrical blu-rays, apart from making a shitload of cash for somebody that isnt me and probably doesnt need it either
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Theatrical version. I aint bothered about the movie been released twice, i prefer the Theatrical version, but to try and make you buy the extended version, because it has new stuff, is just down right dirty. I thought Peter Jackson had more integrity. I think I will just read the book again.
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Not "seige".
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so they can fuck off til the extended versions.
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The one who benefitted the most from the extended editions was Sean Bean as Boromir, since in the original theatrical version he appears to be a bit of a douchebag, but in the extended editions we get a deeper understanding of him and it makes him more of a tragic figure. That's what I liked best.
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and then I will buy a Blu-Ray player.
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Let there be Lucas.
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Somebody is talking bullshit.
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The LOTR films are ageing badly, full stop.
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I have a damn fine collection of DVDs-upwards of 800 now. Last year I got a blu-ray player and I am VERY happy with it. ButI don't have the $$$ to replace all of my discs and buy blu-rays. SO far I have been rather picky with what Blu-Rays I buy. When the STAR WARS, INDIANA JONES and extended LORD OF THE RINGS Blu-Rays are relased, I will buy them to replace my DVDs. But so far, I have only about ten blu-rays, WATCHMEN being the latest. And I would be content for Peter Jackson to put the extended version extras on the blu-ray release. THAT wuld satisfy me anyway.
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Anyone who can't wait a year for the long version is being kind of a tool, in my opinion. Let's not delude ourselves, these films were very good but they weren't great. I still think 'Heavenly Creatures' is Peter Jackson's best film to date. I hope they give that one the deluxe treatment when it heads to Blue Ray. In the meantime, I'm content with my DVD editions of LOTR and Creatures. I have a DVD player that upscales movies to 1080p and LOTR's visuals still benefit from the medium.
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Holy shit but do I love me some Lo Pan! Every time Po's pop speaks in 'Kung Fu Panda' I'm like..that's fucking Lo Pan!!!! LO PAN!! On the street! Ruling the World from beyond the grave! Indeed!!!!Watchmen I'm not worried about double dip...hadn't seen it at all until last week (sad, I know) and don't need all the trimmings (might rent em tho). Great movie made that way by Jackie Earl Haley (his performance actually got me psyched for his version of Freddy K. too). Definitely waiting for extended LotR blus. The SD extended's do indeed look great upconverted so no loss there. But Jackson needs to lighten up on the rush to double-dip. I'd buy that he's just a ubergeek wanting to get as much of the cinema goings on in the disc, as opposed to milking every last purple-red cent from us saps but from what I understand, the original SD extended versions was every last frame and still that was created for the entire trilogy all recorded on disc. All of it! That there was literally nothing left for them to use unless they filmed new material. Now, a 'where are they now' style doco or even a crew reunion might be fun to watch but what the hell are they gonna film now? I can wait but just give me as much as possible of the SD extended on HD and I'll be happy!And Big Trouble next week! Finally! I was so teased by avoiding the purchase of Ghostbusters (re: too much grain) that I was let down a bit...I never double-dip SD purchase unless it's a god damn genius film...Big Trouble is just all kind of genius! (don't own SD Ghostbusters so coming out with a shitty HD blue is really insulting and just all around sucks).And yes, the extended LotR scenes just flesh out the trilogy so very nicely...like the books, this isn't simply watching a movie or reading a book. This is basically going on the journey with the characters. Still don't like surfer Legolas or comic relief Gimli but overall brilliant movies. Can't wait!
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Not only would it break the flow of the movies, in my opinion, it breaks the flow of the books. I hate this section as I think it is so unnecessary.
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Jul 27, 2009 1:36:59 PM CDT
the new cut will actually still be playing long after you die of
by ironic_name
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Jesus, Merrick, did you forget what website you write for?
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Lucas has squeezed every penny out of the animated clone wars crap. After the sorry ass panel at comic con I don't give a shit about star wars. None of Lucas' companies really seem to have a firm grasp on what they're doing and it's just been going downhill since the ot special editions shit all over us.
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i just want the new documentary stuff by Costa Botes, from the 'Limited' 2006 DVD release. Have heard it's great, but no way was i buying the flicks again... I'll take em on BluRay tho...
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Seriously, if you ever read any of the "extended universe" books or Star Wars comics, you will find some incredible stuff. In fact, I say that the trailer for the MMORPG Star Wars:The Old Republic is cooler than anything Lucas has done since Empire.
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If he can find a way to add an hour or two to each of those six movies, I'll buy 'em. It was the original that inspired and made possible all of this stuff in the first place. Let Lucas milk his cash cow. More power to him! I'm gonna watch the new seaaon of CLONE WARS, and anticipate the upcoming live-action series as well. I love movies on general and special effects movies in particlar. I am an unashamed FX junkie...I have a shitload of FX movies on DVD, and I'm sure plenty of them would be considered crap to some. But even bad movies can be fun to watch...
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What the hell! Can't they just release a vanilla version of the extended editions?
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honestly, even my most favorite of favorite all time best movies for me...i cant watch them more than 5 or ten times. maybe once again years down the line. these days with stuff like netflix you can just get whatever u want whenever. and im pretty sure that in about 5 or ten years, everything will be available in like high quality digital download....or the world will have ended. wasting your money on this blu ray stuff is stupid. think of what else you could do! or sure go ahead and spend hundreds if not thousands on a collection of blu rays that will be irrelevant in 5 years and prove me wrong. however if you're rich i guess you might as well get some blu rays.
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Back when the extended editions first came out on dvd, Jackson said that he had a gag reel and about 2 more hours of deleted scenes from the whole trilogy that he was saving for a future release. The gag reel is actually already available on youtube. Just do a search, it's pretty funny. And they describe a lot of the deleted scenes that didn't make the extended cuts on the dvd commentaries. I also know about some of them because I followed the production of these movies online when they were making them. No, Jackson has said that the deleted scenes won't be put back into the movie.
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Jackson should leave the extended versions ALONE! They are great as is. I guess if he can find a way to put more into it without changing what is already there, then that might be alright, but if it ain't broke...DON'T FIX IT!
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Peter Jackson should stop fucking with these three films and devote his full attention to THE HOBBIT. I know he's not directing it, and I like Guillermo del Toro, but I have a feeling that Jackson might as well be directing it. These films are HIS babies, just like the STAR WARS films are Lucas'. Focus, Peter, FOCUS!
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Lucas and company are currently working to bring out the films in stereoscopic 3D! Plans are still being made to finalize the standards for 3D home video using blu-ray. Cameron and other directors plan to release their films in regular HD and 3D on the same blu-ray disc. Lucas is going to first convert the old and new trilogy into 3D, release them in theatres, then afterwards release the blu-ray discs containing the film in HD and 3D. So basically what I'm saying is that you're gonna have to wait awhile and use that time to save up money for a fancy 3D capable HDTV/plasma/LaserTV.
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AND have free time to watch 10+ hours of this self indulgent Peter Jackson version of the LOTR trilogy, THEN there's something REALLY wrong with the economy. Go. To. Work.
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I collect movies, and here's the deal...I finally have every movie I want on DVD...except for new films that haven't come out yet, but will in a month or two. This summer's crop of big screen extravaganzas. And I'm am in no hurry to replace my DVDs witgh BLU-Rays discs, although THAT is the player format I now have. And evey new film that comes out, I do not automaticaly buy on Blu-Ray. But when the STAR WARS films DO come to Blu-Ray, I will be getting those. I have yet to buy a movie I already own on DVD, and replace it with a Blu-Ray disc. Hasn't happened...but eventually it will.
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Jul 27, 2009 2:17:22 PM CDT
georhe lucas wanted the opening outer space scenes in sith...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
to last an hour and a half. AN HOUR AND A HALF PEOPLE.
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What you imply is WRONG and insulting. I would rather spend my free time watching good movies in my home theater than drinking beer and watching cars drive in circles, or watching reruns of insipid TV shows, or whatever it is YOU do. I am not rich by any means...I just choose to spend my $$$ and time on things I enjoy. So maybe you should rethink your attitude a bit. I doubt that many here are wealthy...we're just devoted!
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1. how overlong and gay the 3rd movie was. 2. How tame and un-dark the last battle was compared to what was hinted at in the first one and what they did during the 2nd one. and 3. No Christopher Lee in the 2nd theatrical version....the whole time while first watching, i was like "where in the fuck?!"
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What in the world are you talking about.
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I'll begin by saying I AM NOT GAY...and have to tendencies toward such. BUT...where the fuck do you people get off saying that these movies are gay or are homo-erotic? Just because there is emotion in them, and there aren't any women flashing their tits doesn't mean a damn thing. If that's what you crave, then go rent a porno!
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...that could use some touching up, particularly in the two towers when the orcs at helms deep are running into the trees to get smooshed. the special effects there are bad, but all three movies could use some touch up.
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I agree with you. That is true about special effects in general in just about ANY fx heavy movie. The question is this? Every time special effects make another major leap forward, should people who have made "special effects film" go back and clean them up for those with a more discerning eye? Do you feel that way about the body of work produced by Ray Harryhausen, let's say? Just because it isn't "up to snuff" with todays mind-blowing effects work, doesn't mean a damn thing. THis is how it was when THEY did it, and THAT is how it should stand.
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Probably The Frighteners, Meet the Feebles and Kong. Like I said I like and respect LOTR for what they are. I just was not the auidence for it. I really enjoyed them I just wasn't head over heels with them.
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Yeah I really wish they would touch up some of the missing reals from Metropolis damnit!
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Where will it end...
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"Charles de Lauzirika also had some very interesting projects in the pipeline as the highlight of the previews came from him with extras from the eventual disc of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, the No. 1 box office earner of the year, which Lauzirika said would be "fully loaded and awesome."
Lauzirika, who hinted he was working on a new Blu-ray set for the four "Alien" films, "I'm sure they'll be a boxed set like the recent Star Treks, but Paramount is releasing those seperately come September. -
they were edited for good reason. jackson needs someone to reign him in... see what happened to king kong. could have been a good movie if around 40 mins or so was cut out. the extended editions of lotr are too long winded, the extra material doesnt add anything or enhance the movie in any way, its dead weight
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There, i said it. The first one was on the right track, then parts 2 and 3 devolved into mindless action the likes of which would have made Tolkien vomit. A great disservice was done to those wonderful stories by turning them into hollywood bullshit.
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name one that made you hate life until you stopped watching.
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Why would anybody want the half-ass versions??? Are these the same PAN&SCAN assholes ??? FUCK!
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Those extended editions are there for a reason, mynemaborat. The people who made LOTR were VERY passionate about those films and doing them righ. The extended versions are proof of that. They filled in the holes for those of us that wanted to see Tolkien's work done the best that it could be. Do you just not have a long enough attention span or what? As far as I'm concerned, the extended editions are the ones that SHOULD have been in the theatres in the first place. Jackson found a way to improve upon something, to make something that was really good into something truly GREAT, and he should be commended for it.
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I was just giving you a hard time, I'm totally on board with the Frighteners, it is such an under rated movie.
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They didn't do this shit with VHS. I guess they expect us to buy 15 different version of the same fucking movie.
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Yeah I remember seeing that movie in theaters and then never hearing from Jackson again. Then I found out about his older work.
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Jul 27, 2009 3:06:41 PM CDT
i dont understand how movies based on books...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
get blasted for being to faithful or unfaithful to the source material. i understand if they fuckin changed harry potter to an american kid and set the movies in compton, or if lord of the rings flicks were 90 mins long with only the barest of the main story remaining, but sometimes i think alot of the complaints arent valid. its translating on to the screen well, and working as a movie, not just a dull retelling of the books. (chris columbous first harry potter instantly comes to mind when i think of dull retelling)
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When is QT going to re-edit Kill Bill 1 and 2 into one long film and put 'em on Blu-Ray!?
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Yep, saw it in the news. That makes it Homo Broadcasting Orgasmatronic network.
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Jul 27, 2009 3:07:53 PM CDT
by the way, stephanie meyer is a dirty hooker
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
FUCK YOU
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Is it all good first time around?
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It's all about the bucks, brothers! As long as people keep buying every version that comes down the pike, they'll keep milking the cow. I knew about the extended versions of LOTR, so I didn't touch the theatrical release versions. I can't afford to replace a movie every time they put it out in a new format ro with new features. Knowles and his posse are just fucking lucky...they get fee dvds from places that the rest of us have to shell out money for.
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What a time to be alive...
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You should see it.
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I mainly bought the extended versions becasue the packaging is fucking superb. Probbaly the BEST DVD packgaing to date. It's gorgeous. But I also love the extended versions. Although I have to say Saruman's death scene in the extended ROTK is pitifully done, contrary to the book, and just unnecessary.
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Honestly, these movies have their hardcore fans, and I certainly am not ripping them. They obviously don't suck. But......has any movie (or movie series)of that nature ever fallen so far from being so beloved in such a short period of time? I mean, who ever even talks about LOTR anymore? Does anyone ever sit and watch them? I'm sure there are people who do, but I think they have a fatal flaw: they arent rewatchable. Just one guys opinion, but I know I inwardly groan and hit fast forward whenever they cut to anything involving Frodo in TT or ROTK. I kind of knew even as I was watching ROTK the first time in the theaters, "I know I'm supposed to be all over this, but.....something here isn't clicking". The flaws have only gotten worse upon repeated viewings, personally I think ROTK is a bit of a botch job.
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Because they couldn't fit the cocks on the screen.
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Another moment that bothers me somewhat. Gimli and Legolas counting kill aftermath scene they included. I'll admit when I first saw the "Becasue my ox (axe) is in his nervous system!" line made cheer out loud, but then I was like, This is equivalent to the middle ages. they wouldn't know what the fuck a nervous system was.
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In the Extended Fellowship film the scene after they escape Moria plays out differently; one of the new scenes is of the fellowship with the elves of Lothlorien and Aragorn thanks Haldir saying "we are in your debt". It doesn't actually make sense if you think about it. They haven't done anything, the reason he is thanking Haldir is because the elves have just wiped out a bunch of Moria Orcs that have been pursuing the Fellowship the the forest...I believe they shot that as imagery of the orcs was used waay before the first film even came out! I'd love to see those scenes.
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That and they need more blooper outtakes.
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Why? You watching the Lucas version of the Phantom Edit? I have yet to make it through the original, even walked out in the theater. LOVED the Phantom Edit, though. Hope Lucas releases that one day...
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that we have to wait a year. I actually don't have any desire to watch the theatrical versions after having seen the extended. Director's cuts have almost become a joke, with scenes that should never have been included put back in. A lot of the time, these scenes are cut for a reason that has nothing to do with time. I enjoyed the extended Watchmen a lot, but some of the additions either slow the movie down or, just don't quite work. That being said, the director's cut will be the one that I watch. Same for the Aliens extended, which had some interesting stuff, but which probably works better at original length. Abyss is obviously the best of the director's cuts, because it is just a completely different movie, and a better one, than the release version. As far as LOTR goes, I thought the extended versions were substantial improvements over the theatrical releases. Every scene added something, and there were no duds, or scenes that just didn't quite work, you know, where they just didn't get what they wanted during the shoot. I will not buy the theatrical cuts on blu, and will just watch my extended DVDs upconverted for a year. Then I'll definitely upgrade. BTW is there any date on a blu of The Abyss extended?
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From IMDB Trivia Section of Revenge of the Sith: The original cut of the film ran nearly four hours. The opening battle/Palpatine rescue alone ran over an hour.
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I know he is. I was referring to the post above mine, where someone complained that Christopher Lee was not in the extended Two Towers. Which he was. Shit, he was all over the theatrical release too.
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when it was about characters. the next two were world of warcraft games.
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what a flaming series of movies.
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The best of the Director's Cuts is, by far, Kingdom Of Heaven. It takes a barely coherent and uninvolving mess and makes it into a damn near masterpiece! Almost makes Bloom seem like an actor with range too...
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You know, like Faramir's vision of a Gollum-like Frodo? There were plenty of others that I can't remember at the moment. Its odd, the Extended Editions are amazing, and yet I can't fathom the reason why the REAL deleted scenes weren't included in the extras.
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http://tinyurl.com/nn87jl
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I've never heard of such a rumor.
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The one "Bonus disc" for the OT DVD box set was a crock of shit. It had a lot of good stuff, but nowhere NEAR the amount or level of quality that Lucasfilm led us to believe was the reason for the DVDs' delay in release. It makes no sense. Each of those movies should have its OWN disc of bonus features- making ofs, concept art, deleted scenes, interviews, promos, etc. The Blu-Ray better make up for it.
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...for LOTR. I haven't watched the theatrical releases since they came out in the the theater. I agree King Kong was too long. If Lucas is going to put out Star Wars on blu-ray he needs to use adywan's cleaned up edit - period.
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Just admit it. The prequels except for some bad acting, which ANH and Jedi had, were great fun. Sorry everyone had to grow up and live with impossibly high expectations after watching the OT for so long that they put in on a pedestal. You know it to be true.
As for LOTR I rewatched them recently. The films and the extras and I was more inspired and entertained by the actual docs than the films. Fellowship is still great but the others are just to jammed pack with so much weight and emotion. It leaves the senses overwhelmed in the worst way. -
Lucas said he would cut out scenes from the prequels if they weren't making the story move foward (which is what directors normally do )and mccallum said that particular part of sith would have lasted over an hour. Same shit with the part with the giant iguana.
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I really enjoy Episodes 2 and 3. They are not perfect, but I still really like them. However, I despise Episode 1.
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You are OBVIOUSLY without any sense of humor. I find it so laughable that so many TBs take ridiculous and exagerated comments as serious one. Asperger's at its BEST.
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with the choice between the theatrical ending and the original one in color. add some nice audio commentaries by Rick Moranis, Ellen Greene and Steve Martin and it will be a great release
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All of them. They are just that good. I love them all. Seen them all multiple times. Never get tired of them.
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The first rough cut of Revenge of the Sith was around 4 hours. Things were moved around, scenes added or altered or removed, a lot from the first act.
The Battle Over Coruscant was, at one stage, an hour long. There are scenes that were cut, but can be seen in part on the dvd, during the exploration of a scene documentary, which involved Palpatine, Obi-Wan and Anakin climbing through the ship, trying to find an escape route before they were trapped by the ray shields.
There was also a bit more to the space battle and bits and pieces were extended here and there. One of the deleted scenes is on the dvd, where the 2 Jedi confront Grevious, who kills Shaak Ti, forcing the Jedi to make their escape into the fuel tanks.
Then there is the fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan. A lot more was shot than was show. Apparently the full duel is 15 minutes long. Now that whole sequence in the final film is 15 minutes but that includes cutting to the Yoda fight and dialogue before the battle. What was shot was supposedly 15 minutes for the Mustafar duel alone.
Then there's also the Rebellion scenes and the Dagobah scene as shown on the dvd. The 4 hour cut may have been very rough but there is certainly a 3 hour version that was cut down to keep it in line with the 2 hour average of the other films (though it's 13 minutes longer than that).
In Attack of the Clones, there is an entire sequence cut out where Mace Windu leads Clones into one of the Trade Federation ships to shut down the droids (or something to that effect) You can see the beginning of the sequence where Windu meets up with the clones and just after that, there is a rising wide shot of the battle field where if you look closely, you can see them heading toward the federation ship. Whether the full sequence was actually shot or not isn't know but it is strange that we actually don't see Mace Windu again until the scene in the Jedi Council where Yoda calls it a Clone War.
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Jul 27, 2009 4:49:03 PM CDT
jeez, won't Blu Ray be replaced with a better format by then?
by chromedome
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When Anakin is choking Obi-Wan to the floor, in one shot Obi-Wan is holding his own saber... in another, he's holding Anakin's. Makes me wonder if that was from two different moments within the fight that was edited together to appear as one.
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There was a deleted sequence in which Ki-Adi Mundi and Plo Koon go after the Trade Ships or something. But they get caught. That's why during the big scene where the Jedi are rounded up in the arena, those two Jedi (and maybe the Twilek too) are brought in by separate droids, like they'd been somewhere else.
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"The LOTR films are ageing badly, full stop."Truly? I haven't watched the last one since 2004. Yeah, i haven't rewatched any of the LOTR movies since 2004, which means, for 5 years now already. I wonder what i will think of them after such long time.
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Lucas should remake it,not reedit it.
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I find it funny most everyone seems to hate Lucas yet they still flock to the movies, and keep buying merchandise, Way to go hypocrites.
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The "fuck PJ for not including the Scouring" opinion, I mean. Sadly, the Scouring would simply NOT fit at all into the film. The story IS about the Ring. Destroying the Ring makes a perfect climax. The audience (that hasn't read the book) is not going to care about the Hobbit still fighting back home. They'll look at it as just more action for action's sake, since the real story is over. Films are a different medium my friend. Its a bit sophomoric to insult PJ and the films for not including that segment.
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Jul 27, 2009 5:19:14 PM CDT
I'm down with an exact remake of Star Wars! Because....
by damien chowder
Half the people I work with who are under 24 don't know anything about Star Wars before episode 1!!!
One of them said "what is a wookie?"
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Particularly with Return of the King, both theatrical and extended cuts are a mess, especially with them having to push the end of The Two Towers into it. It takes like 30 minutes before the movie SHOULD start, and then they didn't get the ending right for the theatrical audience, which is why so many people went mental over the 'endings'. Fellowship of the Ring is the only perfect one of the three. The theatrical cut is brilliant and the extended is also great. They obviously lost the plot in planning TTT and ROTK. They both need a big re-edit to include Saruman's end at the end of TTT. Now they don't need to care about how that would play in theaters because it's NOT in theaters! Also, Peter has joked about a single movie cut, though I wouldn't mind seeing that for real. Just keep the most essential scenes and you could make a 3 hour cut of the entire trilogy, I fucking PROMISE you. I bet someone's already done a fanedit like that, though I'm not gonna look for it.
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But there's a scene after that with Mace,,,in any case both were cut and the worst C-3P0 moments in history replaced them.
As for the ROTS duel, yeah there are massive chunks cut out of the fight which results in sabers being swapped apparently for no reason.
In the Mace fight with Palpatine, I believe Mace is holding Anakin's saber at one point, a remnant from the original version of the duel where Anakin witnesses the fight but when Lucas decided to not have the fall be so sudden, he reshot that sequence and bits of the original sequence were left in, hence the continuity issues.
Of course this all raises the question as to why the full fight was shot on Mustafar. Well, this is just theory, but I believe that the Sidious/Yoda duel was originally supposed to take place while Obi-Wan and Padme are on their way to Mustafar. Yoda loses, the Sith will reign no matter what, so Obi-Wan is essentially going to fight a pointless battle, which is why I think Lucas intercut the duels and removed a large portion of the Mustafar duel.
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well at least in the books.i am going to bed now,and i dont have the time to explain it,but make a search in the net about Tolkien,the hobbits and his work.
u will understand why the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy is mainly all about these creatures,whom tolkien was very fond of.
I do agree that it wont have worked in film,but thats my fucking point.
That the movies are good movies as their own,but they are in no way great adaptations of the books,because the books are simply unfilmable.and the scouring is the best example of this. -
Well I'm probably alone here, but I don't hate Lucas. I like the prequel. Yes I see the flaws but they're fun films. The originals had flaws too, perhaps not as prominent but they're there.
In any case, I enjoy Star Wars for what it is. A series of adventure films set in space that are fun and entertaining with enough substance to be enjoyed on many levels. I like the Clone Wars series, can't wait for the live action series and I just have fun with it all.
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We're talking movies here, not books. In the movie, the story, the driving force and major plotline, is the destruction of the Ring. I know Tolkien and I know why the Scouring is important; I don't need a lesson and I don't need to research. But for the films, the Scouring isn't needed and would have ended up feeling extremely superfluous. Or the Ring would not have felt important, depending how they handled it, ie, they destroy the Ring in the middle of the movie and the the last 3rd is the Scouring. It would just be very very weird.
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You are the first person who has provided a source for the 4 hour cut or ROTS business. Thank you.
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Wish they had expanded the Gandalf vs. Balrog smackdown to include the Balrog as a slimy grotesque thing when he gets out of the water. Plus, if they had had Gwahir rescue Gandalf's broken body from Zirakzigil (like in the book) it would have added a little more weight to "Eagle's are coming!" scene at the end of ROTK
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I think the movie is terribly underrated. Never understood the hatred or distaste against it compared to the others. For me, the overrated LOTR movie is Return Of The King.
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Jul 27, 2009 5:53:45 PM CDT
The Scouring isn't needed, and Tom Bombadil isn't needed
by turdontherun
They are adjuncts to the main story, and Jackson was wise to cut them. People already bitched and moaned to high heaven about ROTK's multiple endings; the Scouring would have sent them over the edge. Frodo's vision of the industrialized Hobbiton in Lothlorien already makes the point in a condensed fashion, anyway.As for extended/ alternate scenes, there are many that didn't make it into even the extended cuts, including the fate of Legolas and Gimli, and footage of Arwen at Helm's Deep. Hell, I would love Jackson to go back and film the river rapids scene from Fellowship that was cut (due to flooding), and you know what? - I wish he had included Sauron starting to take corporeal form at the end of ROTK instead of Aragorn fighting a generic troll, which was the replacement for that.As for Star Wars, Lucas must do a re-edit of the prequels. I'm confident that there are very good movies to be made out of Menace and Clones, and even Sith could be improved. Fuck the 2 1/4 running time limit - Lucas gutted out a lot of great stuff. Put the political scenes and Padme family scenes back in Clones, plus extended Clone Wars. Sith needs the rebellion scenes as well. I'd also like to see the extended Maul fight in the desert from Menace where Maul tries to jump up on the ship's ramp and is cut down (you can see him rising from the fall in the final edit). Hell, as long as the theatrical versions are available for the OT (fat chance!), I'd like to see him go all out and create full blown archival versions - get it out of his system once and for all. Wampa atatck in Empire, Biggs scenes in New Hope, extended space battle in Jedi (featuring B-wings). Re-do a lot of stuff - masses of ewoks on Endor and make them vicious, Palpatine dismantling the senate in New Hope. Fuck it, the purists have already been angered, so just go for it. If he put the original cuts on the blu-ray as well, no reasonable person would complain. And do you want to bet that Lucas, inspired by Avatar, Tintin, and all this new mo-cap technology, will announce episodes 7, 8 and 9 in a few years time? He'll want a piece of the action, too, and is probably jealous of Cameron, Spielberg, and Jackson. I'm banking on him doing it!
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Where the FUCK are they already?
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I know that's fucking weird
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Jul 27, 2009 5:59:38 PM CDT
Lucas is washed up. I wouldn't buy anything associated with him.
by axel fff
I skipped Attack of the Clones, because I thought Phantom Menace was a crummy movie. But Indy 4 is what made me a true believer: anything that guy touches turns to shit (and Spielberg has blood on his hands, too).
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You are not alone with that sentiment.
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But i wish PJ could had found a way to put the wraiths of the Barrows events in his movie.
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Jul 27, 2009 6:29:35 PM CDT
It's not the prequels that made me disapointed with Lucas
by asimovlives
It was Indy 4.
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...until the first release of The Hobbit: Bilbo Cops A Pint to buy my first Blu-ray. What am I saying, of course I'll do it for the theatrical.
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I don't care as long as the "untouched" originals are on bluray as well. If that's the case then I'm happy to watch whatever tweaks he makes to his final cuts.
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Jul 27, 2009 7:09:01 PM CDT
Not buying it, I've waited this long, I'll wait another 2 years.
by ganymede3010
To purchase the expanded versions. No more double dipping on me. I'll download it before I pay these schmucks twice.
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But they're not official. ;)
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It added a couple of scenes and deleted a few others. The theatrical version is far superior. No need to change anything, but I guess Proyas didn't have anything better to do...
I will be waiting to purchase the extended editions. I have the original theatrical cut, but never had time to see the extended (read about them all over the place, though) It has me excited, but I am not sure I have 12 hours to spare to watch them, so I will plan the next year to make time when they come out. -
That's why I'm going for the Theatrical Blu-Rays. The EE box set is just too immensely perfect.
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By now he could have had the theatrical/special editions of both trilogies out on Blu Ray, THEN pocket fuck everyone again with expanded editions. Also because he killed Darth Maul
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Keifer's really done some shit movies.
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...either or - you CAN have both the blue ray and DVD collections of LOTR. :-)
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Having the films cut in half on their own discs makes for damn fine quality already. I will get the regular Blu Rays and I'll still have all those "extras" handy whenever I want to watch them. I'm cheap and impatient. Sue me.
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Wahhh! Return of the King is too long, but I wish they'd put the Scouring and Tom Bombadil back in the movies! Wahhh, I'm a moron and actually like the Star Wars prequels! Shut the fuck up, retards. The Prequels do not exist in this dojo. Hell, nothing Star Wars exists on film past the THX restorations in the mid '90s.
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Amen, brother.
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And half of the new stuff they put in TPM did not suck. AOTC is a mess. Revenge redeems the prequels. Don't fuck with General Grievous.
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I repeat, don't you dare fucking slight Grievous
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Jul 27, 2009 8:39:26 PM CDT
Ah, great interview w/ Gary Kurtz which foretold of Lucas' fall
by yackbacker
IGNFF: From your personal experience, how would you compare the George you worked with on American Graffiti to the George you worked with towards the end of The Empire Strikes Back?
KURTZ: It was quite different, actually. He was very different. I think the most unfortunate thing that happened was the fact that Indiana Jones came along, and Raiders of the Lost Ark had come out in between. George and I had many, many discussions about that, but it boiled down to the fact that he became convinced that all the audience was interested in was the roller-coaster ride, and so the story and the script didn't matter anymore.
Now Raiders is not a bad film, but the script actually was much better than the finished film. There were a lot more nuances in the character, and there was less action. It would've been a better picture if that script had been made. But, as it is, it's an interesting and entertaining film – it's just that this idea that somehow the energy doesn't have to be put into getting really good story elements together. One of the arguments that I had with George about Empire was the fact that he felt in the end, he said, we could have made just as much money if the film hadn't been quite so good, and you hadn't spent so much time. And I said, "But it was worth it!"
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Look elsewhere for great writing and depth of character because if you think ANH is anything but pulp sci fi with great music and technical bravado you're mistaken
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I downloaded them off the internet from the wookiegroomer skynet recordings. Why cause I got tired of waiting for the bluray release.
I love lucas and ilm, but honestly this wait has been way to long. So I got dirty. And now well hell it's better than nothing. I own the DVD's to both widescreen and pan and scan for all the films- the OT and the PT. Gimme some Blurays to buy Lucas! -
Frodo turning into a Gollum like wretch flash-forward, Arwen at Helm's Deep, Eowyn fighting in the caves at Helm's Deep, There are many deleted scenes still unseen.
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I've always maintained, even in the face of my Audio-Visual-ophile friends, that I wouldn't touch Blu-Ray until the Star Wars Saga and LOTR Trilogy were made available. If it happens, I'll pick one up.
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With the deleted scenes put back in. ;)
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I, unlike a number of other people, actually enjoy seeing different versions of movies I really love, including Star Wars and LOTR. As for LOTR, I think both theatrical and extended editions are a mixed bag. True, The EEs included some very good scenes, but also some truly horrific ones - worst offender being Rhys-Davies' attempts at "humor" throughout. (See Gimli burp and fart at the same time in the ROTK:EE! See Gimli be reduced from great warrior to not-so-comic relief!). As for "The Scouring of the Shire", I'm glad PJ left it out. It should have been included, but his claim that Frodo's vision of an Orc-occupied, industrial Shire was his "homage" to that chapter shows that he completely missed the point of that chapter. There are no Orcs in that chapter - though there are some "ruffians", their control over the Hobbits is slight; for the most part it's the Hobbits doing it to themselves and being complacent. So FOTR remains the better one of the 3 movies .... As for "Star Wars", I'm looking forward to any possible alternate or extended editions of either the OT or PT movies. AOTC, which I thought was pretty good to begin with, can really be improved. First of all, if you read the shooting script, you'll notice that the story is too big and condensed as it is now. Secondly, if you watch the AOTC deleted scenes, you'll find that in the romantic scenes, Anakin comes off as a nice and caring guy, and there's some nice chemistry between Anakin and Padme. Both of those aspects are sorely missing from the movie as it currently stands. Not ROTC, but AOTC is the prime candidate for an extended edition. (TPM can be improved considerably as well, just by toning down the Jar Jar silliness, and by replacing puppet Yoda with a digital one. And maybe including Count Dooku on the Council.) ... Anyway, I'm rambling.
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TPM was actually fairly watchable with the exception of that fucking computerized abortion jar x2 binks. Maul was a great badguy, had a bit of that OT feel. ROTS was 2nd best prequel, and by that i mean Ian McDiarmid was the only good thing in it, and had most to do. McGregor was also pretty good. AOTC sadly has no redeemable factors. Not evne Chris Lee who is the best thing in it can salvage that peice of shit dunked in diahrrea and flame broiled on your plate. No standout action sequence, all the leads pure shit, that robot factory, cgi vomit all over the screen, 50s style spac diner, yeesh.
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Jul 27, 2009 9:37:04 PM CDT
We need more LOTR extras like we need a hole in our heads.
by orionsangels
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The NEW Jedi council scene: http://tinyurl.com/2aaj3l
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could use some new stuff too- (realistic looking) digital doubles for a vamped up obi-vader fight, make it more fierce. For jedi I'd love to see LOTS more ewoks, cgi if necessary, to make it more believable how they can defeat the imperial troops. He should add literally hundreds of ewoks. All this should be done ONLY if Lucas keeps the untouched originals available for us.
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that was pretty funny...2-2 with this and the sneeze guard..keep it up.
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What happened to our guys? Was there a Megan Fox gang-bang that we didn't read about? Herc is posting a lot, but that doesn't rule out the Fox scenario at all... "pilsburydoughboy!"
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That was hilarious and infinitely more entertaining than TPM. Thanks for sharing. Fuck, I wish the prequels had been half as good as that.
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that stuck frodo's hobbit on elijah woods's real feet. will learn how each toenail was applied. Will learn the background of every cast member, even the extras and interview their family members. Will learn how fake grass was created and how each piece of fake grass was applied.
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Never again.
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...than any of Peter "Who needs an editor?" Jackson's Bored of the Rings saga.
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When the fuck did it become apropos to hate the LotR trilogy (is it because you were disappointed by Kong)? Did I miss a fucking memo? I fucking doubt it, since the LotR trilogy are some of the most well crafted films in fucking cinematic history. Crawl back into your fucking holes and die, trolls.
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WTF has that guy done since ESB that anyone gives a rat's ass about? The same goes for Irvin Kershner. I'm not knocking their contributions to the SW saga I just think the unquestioning adoration heaped on those two is ludicrious.
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All the Star Wars movies, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, Aliens. That's about it.
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Jul 28, 2009 12:34:51 AM CDT
darthvedder81, I don't give Kurtz or Kersh absolute praise
by yackbacker
I am just fascinated by the creative dynamic that went into the OT. And One could easily say "WTF has Lucas done that anyone's given a rat's ass about since the 1980s?" too. It's not really a judgment worth making, ya know?
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I, however, never got into the LOTR movies even when they first came out, so I know you're not giving me the business with your post. I hate to say it but I just absolutely hate Elijah Wood. Basically, cast anyone you personally despise in the role of one of the main protagonists in the LOTR and you have my take. Hitler as Frodo! See, not enjoyable... actually hilarious to imagine, but yeah...
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It smooths out the problems of the theatrical cut.
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Raymar, that's funny, considering the chief complaint from Kong critics is that the film is too long and that PJ was over-indulgent in his love of the material! YackBacker, surely you must agree though that absent Wood the rest of the films are excellent. They're made with phenomenal craftsmanship and written with just the right amount of respect and fidelity to the source material considering they're adaptations. As far as bad Frodos go, I think my choice would be Nicholas Cage. That would be a fucking disaster. Finally, the following video sums up my opinion of the prequel trilogy. I think it's actually better than RotS turned out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1iTwTdHx7I
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BTW, that Jedi Council video was hilarious. Better dialogue than the actual films!
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NEEDS TO DIE.
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You may not like everything he's done but he's produced at least a half a dozen highly successful films, an Emmy award winning television show, started a number of post-production companies and a interactive entertainment division--oh and he's ushered in the era of digital filmmaking almost single-handedly. Irvin Kershner made Robocop 2. Discuss.
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..but will it really benefit from Blu-Ray vs. DVD? I have several BR disks, but BTiLC is not a movie I would think to upgrade from DVD format.
As far as LOTRO goes, the only movie I really liked was Fellowship, which is coincidentally the only of the three that I will watch whenever I see it on Encore. The others really don't seem to hold up with repeated viewings.
As for the SW prequels, I thought TPM was the worst, (Jar Jar + Jake Lloyd + other Gungans = wtf?), followed by RotS (Yoda running away, pouty-face Anakin, Darth Vader Noooooooo sceram). AotC was crappy too, but it at least gave us Natalie Portman's abs, and a pseudo-throwback to the Empire-era Princess Leia hoth outfit. As far as the jedi in general were concerned, Liam Neeson's character was the only one in the entire trilogy that I bought as a Jedi. The rest seemed like petty, overly emotional thugs.
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"Homoeroticism of a bunch of men fighting over a peice of jewelry" Seriously? God, I hate people like you!
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Jul 28, 2009 2:59:19 AM CDT
All those version of Blade Runner and the movie still blows
by lockesbrokenleg
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You really have the absolute worst taste.
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As Viggo Mortensen has said in an interview, the first one had wonderful character detail - especially the Extended Version. I also thought it brought a fictional, fantasy world to life in a way we haven't really seen before or since. But the two other films seemed to prioritise action over character. There were loads of empty battle scenes. Stupid jokes about how many orcs Gimli has killed took priority. Legolas shield-surfed down some stairs - then down an Olyphant. Things, in short, turned to shit. Fellowship Extended has as good a claim as any to being the best fantasy film ever. (Though the one-two punch of Star Wars and Empire give it a run for its money!) But the two sequels - bah! I'd rather watch Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. I'd rather see Prisoner of Azkaban through to Half-Blood Prince.
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...for taking our cash multiple times for different editions of the same films? And what do we feel about the Tolkien family not seeing any proceeds?
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Think of the fury when they omit beats in the Harry Potter films. Now think this: the end of the Two Towers should have found Frodo seemingly dead and about to be eaten by Shelob - a cliffhanger if ever there was one. And the end of the Return of the King should have been a fight with Saruman - set up so beautifully as a bad guy in the first film but neglected after that: the Scouring of the Shire. It's SCANDALOUS the way Jackson and his fellow-adapters messed with the books. And while the Potter team have reasons for things they did, Jackson seems not to.
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So Tolkien thought the book was unfilmable and sold the rights for fuck all. That doesn't entitle anyone from the Tolkiens to anything. Though at least they don't go around bitching about it the way the Siegels and Shusters do about Superman.
Fact: The Superman rights revert back to the Siegels and Shusters in 2013, but only material from Action Comics 1. This means we could potentially see a movie from Fox in the future about a non-flying, Earth-born (since Krypton and kryptonite came later) strongman in a circus outfit called Superman with no powers beyond strength, speed and the ability to jump vast distances. No Daily Planet, No Fortress of Solitude, no Kents, no heat vision...yeah...the new Siege and Shuster Superman movie is gonna be awesome....
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I'd like to reiterate that FELLOWSHIP is a WONDERFUL film, and I think there is an argument that the care it took with character, and the seriousness with which it treated the world inspired filmmakers to raise their game in the fantasy genre.
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out of fucking date. It's time for a remake with less gayness and fewer fucking tickle fights. I wouldn't mind someone less self-indulgent and more intent on getting it right remaking this shit before I die.
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So the new whipping boy this week is Return of the King, eh? Give it another year or two: by then, the new game will be to screech and fling poo at anyone professing to hate ROTK.
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...the movies hold up great though even that is a misnomer. It's one story split into three segments.Under the more things change the more they stay the same department: I remember in 1999 when fan-boys were going apey over the freakin' SW prequels and how LoTR was total shit...skipping record...skipping record...
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I think you'd be happier at Fred Phelps website, you hateful shit.
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Jackson talked about the gag reel they were toying with adding, including the Huge Weaving doing an Agent Smith joke during RoTK. Please add this!!!
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I actually couldn't agree more with you. Well, I still do like Two Towers and Return, just they pale in comparison to Fellowship. Fellowship, for me, was note perfect adaption as to what I thought Tolkien's world would be like.
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Have you ever seen Hooligans aka Green Street Hooligans? Not sure if Wood's performance would win you over, but I enjoyed the hell out of that movie.
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Obi hitting the flask hard! As for LOTR, I actually respect Jackson quite a bit for pulling off something very few directors could ahve managed. Not even Lucas sould have done these movies to the level Jackson managed (not that that's saying much, I suppose... but you get my point). Wood aside, the movies were quite magical.
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is anything new. "Why has it become cool to rip on the LOTR trilogy?". The answer is, alot of people never liked ROTK to begin with. The 13 different Braveheart-style inspirational speeches (none of which are particularly inspirational, the jumping on the bed scene, the 37 endings.......these were criticisms on the day it came out. The outspokenness has simply grown because most people seem to feel the films lack rewatchability, how many times can you hear people say "I havent watched a frame of ROTK since I saw it in the theater" before you start to wonder. Not everyone in the world can be an uninformed asshole, at some point maybe there is some merit to the criticisms.
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I'll check it out though. My dislike of Elijah Wood is something innate. I don't think he's even done anything in particular that I thought was awful. I happen to think he's not a good actor, sure, but I like other actors that aren't good either. I just have this feeling that if he and I were in the same room, I'd probably rough him up. Put Jack Black on that list too. I might have anger issues...
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was Lucas and his casting. Has anyone read MAtthew Stover's novelization of ROTS? Its fucking fantastic, one of my favorite sci-fi action books ever. IT answers all the questions you would have and closes the plot holes (for example, in Dooku's mind he thought the plan was for him to intentionally lose the fight to Anakin (thus him toying with Anakin throughout that fight until suddenly it was too late), get captured, and rise again as the leader of the Jedi Army with Anakin as his top general. Didnt work out that way obviously. Regardless, there are very cool stories buried somewhere in those movies, underneath Lucas's inept direction, terrible dialogue, and casting choices resulting in an Anakin who looked about as convincing and scary as Perez Hilton.
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They found those missing reels a couple of years back. Here's hoping for a release of Metropolis as it was intended.Given the choice, I'd take the theatrical cuts over the extended ones. There were some serious pacing problems there and a heavy case of "more is too much". The original versions actually felt fairly tight in comparison.
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Lucas doing things beyond "producing" right? His preferences on casting and his screenplays were the root of failure for those movies. I agree, Stover's novelization of ROTS is a much better story- I particularly liked Obi Wan's psychoanalysis of Anakin's motives before he turned to the dark side- understanding that Anakin felt loyalty to people, not values or ideals. I thought that was a good distinction, which explains how someone so "good" could go down the dark path so easily.
The tragedy of the PTs was that it wouldn't have taken that much more work or material to elevate the films to a much more interesting level o storytelling. Well, with the advent of cowboy film editors out there, hopefully we'll get some edits in the future that really make these movies what they deserve to become. -
...than the version released in the cinemas, APART from Sir Christopher Lee's and Wormtongue's death scene, which needed to be in the original version, and I cannot believe PJ thought that not having it in there would not matter. Clearly it did not to most as it grossed over a billion dolars, however it is still the weakest LOTR film in both versions, somewhat surprising since it is the only story to have closure. I think the reshoots is what did the damage to be honest, after the success of the first film, and then the second PJ kept going back to add more, do this, do that- hence the bloated feeling behind it...
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Eat Shit New Line. Pay Tolken's family.
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Its decline in popularity is nothing short of amazing. I'm proud to say though, i never liked it !! Like everything though, i'm sure it'll come back in vouge in a few years.
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Is the complete edit the DVD that Kino released?
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Jesus Christ, weren't the theatrical versions bad enough?
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in fact, it's encouraged.
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my friends and i watched all 3 extended cuts back to back to back..we had lunch and dinner and drinks...we dozed in and out while we watched...quite a trek.
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I may be able to afford a Sony blu-ray player.
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just kidding. But, damn did it take forever for that thing to end.
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Jul 28, 2009 9:04:34 AM CDT
Clerks II rant - as usual - misunderstood. And why the Extended
by the_red_avenger
Have you actually listened to the commentary over this?. Smith says basically Randal is a "Star Wars Prequel apologist" who cannot believe that something so great became so shit when revisited - hence the back and forth "Danger - shitty acting is ruining saga" between the LOTR fan and Randal "Even the fucking trees walked in that movie" - do you not see yourselves being parodied in this? Also if you again listen to the commentary Smith and Co were definitely fans of the LOTR movies - Mewes even played the "Battle for Middle-earth computer game for hours." it's just that as Randal is a Star Wars geek it would not be in his "character" to not "have a go at "LOTR" - plus as Randal is still not grown up - LOTR became this generations "Star Wars" - Smith is a lot cleverer than you think - Randal cannot accept that LOTR took the "cult saga" mantle away and is in denial at how bad Phantom and Clones really were. It's funny, everybody always picks up on Randal's rant about LOTR but forgets the other guy's equally valid points about the "prequels"
I personaly like both Saga's - with the exception of the first two prequels and the first half of Sith.
Now as to anybody who has not the seen the extended LOTR films - this was how they were meant to be. And hey as it's split over two discs you don't have to watch them in one sitting. This makes them far more enjoyable than sitting in an arse-numbing theate wishing they would end the fucker when it comes back after the second fade to black. Also if you add up each extended run-time you get almost another movies worth - and this is not merely filler - a lot of these scenes either explain it just that bit better or are sequences out of the book it would be a shame to lose such as the extended Lothlorien scenes or Mouth of Sauron or The Witch King actually trying to fulfill his promise of "I will break him" or the fate of Gothmog" the deformed orc in charge of the Pellenor battle. Or the added scenes which show the chemistry between Aragorn and Eowyn. Or more character moments that flesh out the secondary characters. I could go on - It's a bit like reading one of those condenced Readers Digest novels, then actually reading the novel proper and realising just how much better it is. Other films that have benefitted from this are Ridley Scott's "Kingdom of Heaven" which turns a 3 Star film into a 5 Star - seriously - he was so shafted over edits on that one - the first 30 minutes are almost unrecognisable as the same film. Alexander (Revisited) which changes some of the order of the film - bookending it with the two large battles instead making the film better paced - and we all know how much improved the Abyss and Aliens are - the former especially. Oh and if you've seen the workprint of Alien 3 - what a film that could have been - at least the middle bit makes sense now.
So yeah - give me extended cuts everytime. I'll watch them in my own time - not caring about the cinema theatrical cuts so made to get as many screenings in a day. Some of the best epic films ever made are over 3 hours. Ben-Hur, Cleopatra. There didn't seem to be a problem in those days.
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for the next, next, next generation video, UV-ray.
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...waaaaay back when, on one of the extended versions, PJ said they would go back and fix the Gollum in the first movie eventually. He looks nothing like the Gollum in the later films, so I have no problem with that. I believe there's other mentions out there, by PJ and the creative team involved, regarding fixing some things "some day". If you watch the EE special features (which really are outstanding) you know how hard they worked on these films, for how long, and how rushed they were the entire time. I've always believed that once PJ was cool(ish) with New Line again that there would be final version of the films released across all current formats. It will definitely be dickish if they do a Blu Ray exclusive cut of the films as it's no directors business to force me to watch a film any particular way (imo, and yes this includes 3D - there should be a choice). Blu Ray players are backwards compatible for a reason.
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you can get better than Blu-Ray resolution which is 1920 X 1080, pretty close to 35 mm film resolution. The next generation only makes sense when film becomes obsolete and they create cameras that shooter higher that HD definition. Even then, the human eye can only perceive so many pixels so really only giant tv screens will benefit from the additional resolution.
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I hate having to change discs halfway through the movie...
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For fuck's sake man, you're joking right? Theoden's "We're all gonna die, but let's die fighting!" speech, screaming bloody murder and "DEAAAAAATH!!!" before charging down the hill is one of the best moments in the entire trilogy.
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From what I can gather, its had CUT footage restored, and is the best release out there, but it doesn't include the recently found "lost scenes".Sorry for posting in two TBs. Put it in the wrong one first.
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I haven't seen him praise a film. Maybe Transformers, but I don't know if he just talks about gross, or if he actually means the film is good. What a cunt.
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He just said he likes LOTR. At least he likes something of quality.
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I had the misfortune to listen to Jackson's commentary on Two Towers, and he kept saying 'such-and-such looks like a weird decision, but when you see Return of the King you'll see why we did it' - again and again he suggested that 'this one ain't so good, but the next one is knockout'. I bed to differ. Fellowship was the one that was totally knockout. I love that film and will happily rewatch it many times. But I'm not going to buy the other two again. I've seen my Return of the King DVD once and once only. Compare that to the Prequels, justly maligned as they are - they each have sequences (and music) that I still think are totally knockout.
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ROTK doesn't have knockout sequences? Shelob, Ride of the Rohirrim, Siege of Gondor, Cracks of Doom, Battle of Pellenor fields, Pyre of Denethor, Black Gate (Mouuth of Sauron on Extended Edition), Paths of the Dead - I could go on.
Whilst the prequels do have their moments - Darth Maul Lightsaber fight, Pod-Race. They also have Jar-Jar Binks, Midicholrians, Watto, Pod-Race Commentators (which nearly did it for me as much as I like Greg Proops) and the heinious crime of having Darth Vader (as will be) going "Yipppeeeeeee"
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Sorry man, just one guy's opinion, but they dont work for me. There is nothing there that hasnt been done a million times before, and better. I guess I'm just a jaded bastard, but the "For Frodo" moment and the accompanying slow motion charge actually just make me laugh out loud at the utter over-the-top cheesiness of it. Its the same problem afflicting all of ROTK: why only have one speech when you could have 3? Why only have one slow-motion charge into the enemy when you could have 368? I found Aragorn's one on one speech to Theoden at the end of TTT to be actually far more effective and moving.
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Stover does the impossible in that book: take Anakin's fall into corruption and make it not only plausible (no mean feat in and of itself) but believeable and completely realistic.
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THere are only TWO inspirational speeches (and the Theoden one is almost word for word from the book - so you can hardly say they've been done a million times before as it was written in 1950.) It just hadn't been done on film yet. The Aragorn one is an amalgam of phrases also from the book.. However when faced with an almost suicidal battle charge - what is he supposed to do? He is a king after all? Say "Come on, lets attack them?" That will inspire somebody I'm sure.
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In fact all James Cameron's extended cuts are inferior. The Abyss works much better without a blatantly didactic message about non-violence at the end. Aliens works better when we don't see the colony until Ripley arrives. Seeing it before that spoils the extended reveal later on. The one thing that is improved is the brief shot of the alien craft from the first movie. Terminator 2 extended edition has a double-happy ending which confirms the defeat of Skynet... the theatrical ending which leaves things somewhat more open is a much heavier and more honest way to end the story.
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Actually the shot of the alien ship doesn't improve things.. it just satisfies my fanboy love of the ship design.
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while I enjoyed them for what they were, they can drag on and on. Tolkien describes every blade of grass and stone in intricate detail on their way to Mordor, but completely glosses over anything remotely resembling action.
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Anyone ever read the childrens books by Enid Blyton (or however it's spelt). I remember reading them when I was a kid and getting very hungry because there were a dozen meal scenes in every book and every single piece of food would be described in detail.
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Both the weakest of their respective trilogies. And you fucking hateful people (who find new ways to hate EVERYTHING, I've seen films from The Godfather to Blade Runner to even Citizen Kane get ripped a new asshole on this fucking site) can keep mentioning Return of the King's slo-mo or long ass ending (and to be honest there were only 2 endings in the film, not 23 or whatever insane number you over-exaggerating fools keep going on about) but that so-called "bed orgy" was a million times better than the shitty Ewok festival at the end of Jedi, or the fact that Han Solo was reduced to "Ewok freedom fighter", or the shitty ass death of the emperor and many other shitty things in Jedi. Also Jedi didn't have anything as moving as Aragorn's "You bow to no-one" to the Hobbits, and then they cue that wonderful music score. I personally think Jackson should have ended the film there. Everytime I watch the trilogy (and I've seen it many times) I end the DVD at that scene.
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Is to split it into 6 movies instead of 3. Each disc being watched every day. It is very watchable. And personally 4 hours isn't that bad in this day and age. Especially something as entertaining as LOTR.
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the LOTR trilogy is far superior the Star Wars (old and new). From the music to the acting (easily the acting), to the set-pieces. Viggo Mortensen's Aragorn chewed up every scene he was in, moreso than fucking lame ass Han Solo. Han Solo was alright in the first film, he got tiring after that though. Oh and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m9L-gpaUx8 personally I think it's the best overall scene in the trilogy. When Frodo recalls Gandalf's quote he realizes it's all up to him, and the music takes an inspirational cue. And then we have Aragorn rallying Gimli and Legolas, once again bringing some more inspirational music. And it may seem gay to you now, but Sam and Frodo just have a really loyal friendship. Fuck off now. I'm done here. Keep thinking whatever you guys want. You can't get as gay as Han Solo and Chewie. Han Solo was the original furry-lover.
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ROTJ blows and annihilates that snorefest CGI diahrea movie.
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I've seen your earlier comments on this Talkback. I don't want to get into a fanboy argument over this. I've stated my opinion, much more detailed than your shite opinion at least. This is the last you'll hear from me in this TB anyways. This argument will go on forever.
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You're talking about the extended-extended edition of T2, the one with the future coda. That's not an 'official' cut of the movie (and it was Cameron's own idea to take that out, not the studio). That was just an easter egg/alternate version put into the DVD. The actual director's cut of T2 has the same ending as the theatrical version.And I thoroughly disagree about The Abyss - the longer version turns a good film into a near masger-piece.
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Jackson has talent and I'm sure there are great movies in his future, but he's not there yet. IMO.However my wife loves LOTR and so we watch the %$#%#$^ things all the time. C'est le vie...
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" All of bluRay is a double dip "
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Or is the girl that's in Twilight too big for Jumper now?.....just kidding I don't care about Jumper, or lotr that much to be perfectly honest. I only like lotr cuz of Liv Tyler, and Jumper cuz of Rachel Bilson.
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I think you'd be happier with your head a little further up your own ass and your head filled with just a little more pig shit! Doesn't that sound lovely dumb ass?
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I've come into this talkback late, but I reckon the best thing about this is that I'll finally be able to see each WHOLE damned movie uninterupted, WITHOUT having to put another disc on to get the 2nd half! Up till now the limitation of the standard DVD space has meant it's like having to put up with those old hated 'flipper' discs. I want to be able to watch each movie ALL the way through if I want to, or at least be able to pause whenever I choose if I need a bladder break throughout the proceedings. The switching discs over thing has been a real mood-breaker thus far. Bring them on! Oh, and while I look forward to seeing STAR WARS (even if it has to be called A NEW HOPE) on Bluray too, it's gonna be hard to appreciate it after seeing Adywan's lovingly crafted edit.
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I just like LOTR alot more. I bashed Star Wars out of spite (due to the childish comments in this talkback). And I think it's unfair to say this trilogy is awful, or is losing it's fanfare already. Star Wars is it's own property. It's not bound by an existing series of books or anything. It can expand as much as it wants. LOTR is bound to it's trilogy. So you obviously can't have sequels and such or "what if" books etc. Also SW is 30 years old. Lets see how LOTR is seen in that time. I'm sure it will hold up as well. Star Wars is to sci-fi what LOTR was to fantasy.
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I'm sure the BluRay will "knock your balls through your throat" or whatever the tech hounds will say it's just not a big enough leap to double dip this stuff. I buy anything I don't already own on BluRay when I can, but for the stuff I DO own, I don't need to see that guy way in the background any more clear than I already do.
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Jul 28, 2009 10:07:54 PM CDT
About that Star Wars not being bound by books comment
by lockesbrokenleg
Unfortunately, due to all the shit EU novels, Star Wars IS becoming solely based on some shitty novel with darth Nemesis, or whatever.
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My dvd extended edition trilogy of LOTR will do me just fine. I will not double-dip (for me, it was single-dip as I didn't buy any of the original movies because I knew there would be better versions down the road).
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When the cast are talking about how they had to replace the actor who played Aragorn but they wouldn't say whom (Stewart Townsend). Fair play to Sean Astin for writing an unauthorised book based on the making of LOTR. Makes me think how silly those making of DVD extra documentaries are, the unauthorized account of a ‘making of’ are so much more insightful than the ‘official’ one. I would love to see (or at least hear a crew member account of ) lets say a CG computer artist having a hissyfit, or a director show up on set, high as a kite and nose bleeding . (remember the rumours of Bryan Singer coke binges on the set of Superman returns). Or seeing live footage of Bales rant on the set of T4. anyways , About the Star Wars Blu-ray, Lucas is not going to release it until blu-ray is just a year away from being replaced by the next format , just like the DVD was released only after every man woman and child on the planet had some kind of cheap DVD player. Thus making Georgey boy one of the richest men in the world over a weekend. To release SW now or in the next couple of years would be nuts. Not everyone is getting on board this blu-ray thing; it’s still just for snobs at the moment (sorry but it is, like people who buy Mac books instead of a decent spec laptop). They are too expensive in the current economy to justify paying for at the moment. I had this friend years ago who, having been unemployed for 3 months and getting really depressed, urged me not to buy DVDs ever, after I had told him about the Abyss and Diehard 2-disc DVDs I had just bought “look at that shelf” he would say pointing at his impressive DVD collection 4 or 5 foot wide! “Every one of them cost at least €10/€15 each, and I’ve only watched each of them once or not at all” and I could see where he was coming from. That shelf is probably missing half those discs now, lent to friends forgotten about, scratched etc and the ones left are probably/definitely on sale in shops across the world for 10% of the original price. After VHS and DVD I too have finally learned my lesson, to hell with blu-ray for the moment, don’t get me wrong Ill probably purchase SW blu-ray for full retail when it eventually comes out, by that time Blu-ray players will be so dirt cheap they will practically be giving them away. Meanwhile the plebs will be raving about the new super crystal laser ball format (or whatever). Has anyone here seen that show Hyperdrive? One of the characters is watching a fictional cult TV show on a pyramid format and comments of how he cant believe me used to watch it in the old format (and points to a cube on the table). I bought Stargate on DVD and the box could fold into a pyramid, fuck, what was I thinking?
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Why? Because my TV can't hack it, (I don't have high-def TV) and the DVDs look fine, and I'd rather save the 10 to 15 extra bucks stupid overcharge they do in the Blu Rays. As I said above, I'll get certain movies on Blu Ray if I ever get a high-def TV, but only the Star Wars / Terminator 2 / Aliens combo. and I'll get Abrams' Star Trek on Blu Ray to future proof it. As it stands right now, Blu Ray is mostly hype. If you have the system for it, horray. If you don't, then don't even bother. Hell, I watch a lot of DVDs on a high-def Blu Ray system, and they look pretty dangblasted good already. Yes, Blu Rays look cleaner. But not by THAT much. So, my fellow geeks, just save the 10 bucks.
Oh, and for the record: I like Return of the King a lot. Until the last 20 minutes. That never ends. So, therefore, The Two Towers is the best LOTR movie. If ROTK had ended at Frodo saying, "It's over, it's done" when they threw the rings into Mt. Doom, that would make it easily the best movie of the series. But it doesn't. And it goes on. For 20 minutes. So ROTK gets the silver medal. Which is ultimately frustrating because the flick is downright fantastic. Until the 45 endings, that is. -
Everything is 'we approached it very organically', or 'the design process was organic' - it's like someone told them they had to use the word. Dull, dull, dull.
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I know this at first sounds silly, but could Jackson also release a shorter version of King Kong? It is sort of like we already got the extended version and now need an 1.5 hour version with better pacing.
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Are *utterly* useless. Why would I EVER want to watch them, or for that matter the theatrical cuts of STAR TREK 1, 2 and 6, or Cameron's ALIENS, ABYSS and T2, when the extended/expanded/directors editions are so vastly superior? Make them available on the same release via seamless branching of you insist on releasing the theatrical versions, but please, stop the double, triple and quadruple dipping....
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No frikkin' way am I giving Peter Jackson any more of my money. And this has nothing to do with the shelf life of Blu-Ray. It has to do with the fact that I watched all 3 films back to back a couple of months ago. Nice visuals, sets, and cast....but the adaptation (if it could be called that) was terrible. Just terrible.One day...some day...a better, more faithful film version will be produced, and all those who have said they were disappointed will be vindicated. But hey, if you *love* the 3 films, knock yourself out...buy both the theatrical versions and the extended cuts as well.Cue the "youdontknowwhatthefuckyouretalkingaboutthesearethegreatestmoviesevermade" replies.
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Fer crissakes...fucking stop already...how many of these do they need to put out? Why can't they put both versions on the MASSIVE format that is Bluray that apparently NO ONE has ever utilized for data. I'm sure we'll be talking about this years from now when they put the hobbit in it too....2 flicks for that short story? Jackson is fucking pissin me off.
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My version of The Abyss (bought for a fiver) a few years back has both versions of the film. But to be honest I ony watch the extended cut now. Also the Alien Boxset (without the Predator stuff) has both versions of each film which I think is kind of cool. The one thing I really like about the LOTR extended editions is the extra's. I mean if you like the trilogy (and a lot do) then this is the mother of all releases. Four Commentaries (none are boring as there are a number of people on each of them - A problem I had with Coppola's commentary on The Godfather) but the Appendices are phenominal. Each disc weighs in at about 3 hours of documentary and again - they are done in such a way as they are never boring. So you get 6 hours (nearly 7) of documentaries for each release (if it's not your bag, then you don't have to watch them) but possibly the two greatst bits are the final edit where everything just goes crazy as time is running out and the last days of shooting where you can see just how much this project meant to everybody - and none of it is fake. As a fan - you couldn't really hope for a better package. Sure some people just want to see the film - fine - thats their choice. Nothing wrong with that - and some think the endings go on too long. They already cut one from the book and believe me if that had been in you'd have really complained. I think the problem I had with the endings was the constant fade to black and fade to white. I think in hindsight that was the wrong way to go. That made it worse than it already is. But knowing the book as well as I do, The absolute ending had to be Sam returning fromm the Grey Havens and saying "Well, I'm Back" and for that to happen, he had to go to the Havens which means Frodo has to sail off which means they had to go back to Hobbiton and ...well you get the picture. I broke down the several endings in another post on another board. I came up with this: 1 - Ring Destroyed, it looks like Sam and Frodo are going to die on the Mountain, 2 - Rescue by Gandalf and Eagles, 3 - Reunion of Fellowship, 4 - Coronation of Aragorn, 5 - Return to Hobbiton, 6 - Sam gets married (to another female hobbit not a male one - homophobes) 7 - Frodo realises he can't go on, 8 - Grey Havens, 9 - Sam Returns. There is a fade to black after 1, 3, 6 and 7 and a fade to white on 2 and 9. Had they just faded into each other I doubt there would be that many complaints so I think the "Fades" don't help the problem. I also think watching them as somebody said as 6 films makes the endings not as jarring as they appeared in the Theatrcal Cuts as they come only and hour and a half in the last segment. That works much better.
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Shut the fuck up, bigot.
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Seriously...do a youtube search for 'Hobbits' and 'gay bar'. A song by some band i forget the name but the cutting of the scenes from LotR along with the music is god damned hilarioso.
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...as Kings of this Talk Back. Right freakin' on dudes and keep up the good fight.Like I sadi, ten years later and it's still "I hate LoTR!", "I hate SW...especially the prequels!" Well, I just happen to be fans of both as shocking as that may be to some of you utterly biased idiots."...most people seem to feel the films lack rewatchability,..." Possibly the most uninformed and clueless comment ever to appear in a Talk Back.
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I can spend a couple of days on this one but, please Damned Login, give us but one example of what you mean.
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I'm not gonna compare every scene in the film with the books, the nitpickers guide has already done that in great detail. Besides, it's an *old* argument.I'm a purist, no secret there. Let's just say I prefer my Tolkien with no reference to Dwarf tossing whatsoever.For now at least, I'll stay with the novels and opt out of spending any more of my hard earned cash on future releases. BTW...I've already spent mass amounts. I saw all of them in the theater, bought the first releases, the extended editions, and even the crappy National Geographic DVD that turned out to be an extended trailer...what a waste of $17 that was. And the sad thing is, I can say with utmost confidence that I'll not be watching them (any of them) again.
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...on that we can most certainly agree,.In the wonderful view of hindsight, I agree that I would rather some things had been done differently. But I think he put the most important parts of the tale there and surely hit all the major themes. As a very long time fan of the story, I had great difficulty in accepting some of the changes, at first. It was the obvious care and quality of the production that won me over and made me accepting of Jackson's view of Middle-earth.I do understand where some of my book-read first friends were disappointed and didn't like it. I just don't agree with most of their assertions about Jackson missing this or that.Coincidentally, I'll be watching the entire EE this coming weekend. And, yes, I can look up on the bookshelf and there my beloved volumes still exist...the movie did not fade their pages after all.
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I've wanted to see the extended versions for years and was hoping they'd come out on blu ray soon
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put your money into an envelope, hand it to a homeless guy, then shut your head in car door for 4 and 1/2 hours while Dingbatty tea bags you and you'll get the same experience but with the tingly feeling that you helped a homeless guy buy a blow job and a cheap bottle of alcohol.
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is that really all you've got?
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