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AICN COMICS SDCC REPORT: Radical, BOOM!, & Marvel Cup o Joe reports!

Published at: July 24, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST by ambush bug

Hey folks, Ambush Bug back again from the San Diego Comic Con. Day Two went by in a blur. This morning brought me a slight hangover and blistered feet from walking around the con all day. I started right off the bat with an interview with Radical Comics Publisher Barry Levine. This was a fun interview that will be posted very soon.
After that, I wandered the floor, chatted with fellow @$$Hole superhero who flew in today for the con, and get to the Radical presentation just in time to chat with AICN’s own Harry Knowles who hosted the panel. Believe it or not, this was the first time I met Harry and I can’t say anything but nice things about the guy.

Much of the panel focused on talking with Radical’s talent; Steve Niles, Rick Remender, Jim Steranko, Nick Sagan, Steve Pugh, Jimmy Palmiotti, M. Zachary Sherman, David Hine, and Nick Simmons. Much of Radical’s amazing artwork was highlighted with a few announcements; Jimmy Palmiotti’s TIME BOMB about a Doomsday bomb that was planted in WWII and goes off in present day. A group of soldiers is sent back into time to stop the making of the bomb. Sounds like really cool military stuff with a hint of sci fi.
Also announced was a title called EARP which reimagines the legendary tales of Wyatt Earp as a story of a near future lawmen in a time when society is nearly about to crash. It’s set in Las Vagas and looks to be serving up a plateful of gritty justice ROAD WARRIOR style.
The panel was jam packed with folks and Harry kept things light with some quick jokes. Honestly, it was one of the more entertaining panels I’d been to and I have to say it was definitely memorable since I sat right next to Tiny Zeus Lister for part of the panel!

I rushed to catch the last half of BOOM! Studios presentation. I had a chance to chat with both Marketing guy Chip Moser and Publisher Ross Richie, both super great guys who couldn’t be any nicer. Although I missed the first half of the panel, I got to see covers for BOOM!’s DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP? maxiseries, covers for 28 DAYS LATER which follows the character Selina from the film and bridges the gap between the first and second films, and JENNIFER’S BODY, Diablo Cody’s Megan Fox vehicle written by Rick Spears and drawn by the super cool Jim Mahfood. We also got to look at Howard Chaykin’s DIE HARD: YEAR ONE which follows John McClain’s adventures as a cop and is set in the late seventies New York. The art on this one by Jean Paul Leon and covers by Jock look damn nummy. The panel ended with a roundup of BOOM! Kids books and the announcement that both THE MUPPET SHOW and INCREDIBLES will be getting ongoing series after their initial miniseries is over.

Ran from BOOM!’s panel over to Marvel’s Cup o’ Joe panel where the announcements were few, but fun. DEATHLOK will be getting a new 7 issue mini and Bob Gale was announced as the writer for Marvel.com’s AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Jeph Loeb announced that soon there will be two Hulk titles; he’s continuing his RED HULK series while INCREDIBLE HULK begins anew with #600 and follows a powerless Bruce Banner training his son Skaar to be the new Hulk. Also announced was that Red She-Hulk will be making her first appearance soon.
The rest of the panel was spent accepting praises from eager fanboys who love everything Marvel and dodging questions asking about failed deadlines and the rising cost of comics. There was definitely an air of pissed-offedness across the crowd about Marvel’s inconsistencies with how they price their books. It was handled with levity with Jeph Loeb giving a dollar to the guy who asked the question, but the excuse that books are now being priced due to creative level of input to the title caused a lot of groans from my section of the floor.

I wanted to stay and cover more, but I’m getting ready for my own panel tonight. Not to beat a dead horse, but I just wanted to toss out a reminder that I’ll be hosting a Horror Comics/Film panel Friday night, July 24, from 6:30-7:30 in Room 30 AB at the Convention Center.
This will be a rare look into horror comics and film. I’ll be talking horror with Marv Wolfman (creator of BLADE, writer of TOMB OF DRACULA, TEEN TITANS, & VIGILANTE), Kevin Grievoux (co-writer, actor in UNDERWORLD), Tim Seely (creator of HACK/SLASH, soon to be adapted into a film by Rogue pictures), Whitley Strieber (writer/creator of COMMUNION & THE NYE INCIDENTS), Todd Lincoln (director/producer of THE NYE INCIDENTS & writer/director of THE APPARITION for Dark Castle/WarnrBrothers), Jeff Katz (writer of FREDDY VS JASON VS ASH), Steven C. Miller (writer/director of AUTOMATION TRANSFUSION), and Ryan Schifrin (creator of SPOOKS & director of ABOMINABLE). It’s all been coordinated and put together by Peter Katz and hosted by me!
I can’t wait for the event and if you like horror, you shouldn’t miss this panel. But if you do miss it, fret not. The panel will be videoed and posted on AICN in the near future (plus I believe it’ll be Twittered as well). So be sure to check out the panel if you’re at the con! Gotta go. More reports from the con later!

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  • July 24, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Ambush Bug, you got nothing on Miracleman?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • July 24, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    OK, then let me...

    by Subtitles_Off

    It has been reported elsewhere that Marvel has purchased all the rights to the character and the name has reverted to Marvelman. They now will probably re-print the Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman versions of the story and then have him running around with Spider-man and Moon Knight.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Heh... kinda funny to miss out on the "big" announcement

    by Chewtoy

    Still, I'm not there at all, so I'm happy with any coverage I can get.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Marvelman at Cup 'o' Joe?!

    by Barrymore Yorke

    Biggest announcement in comics in yeas and YOU MISS IT?!?!

  • July 24, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Crack Reporting!

    by xsi kal

    Good job there, Ab.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off, does that mean Marvel Studios

    by jim

    might be moving towards making a Miracleman (Marvelman) movie?

  • July 24, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Um, yeah

    by Barrymore Yorke

    Ambush Bug, dude -- that's just embarrassing.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Marvel comics is dead to me!

    by shutupfanboy

    I was also more in lined to get Marvel comics due to Spiderman, FF and the X-Men. After the Civil War ending, the Cap disaster and destroying everything great about Spiderman I can no longer support this company. I have been become more line-up with DC thanks to Identity to Blackest Night even the shitty Final Crisis I bought. I well admit that I go to the movies which is where Marvel is making most of their money these days. I probably should stop going to the movies, but god damnit most of them are really good. Its too bad the effort they put into most of the movies never seems to go back into the comics.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    He can't be everywhere at once, guys.

    by SleazyG.

    There's only one guy out there reporting on comics, and there are a lot of panels to hit. If you've ever been to a con, you know that you're faced with tough decisions. Do you leave a panel early to get in line for the next one and miss a big announcement in the one you just left? Do you only stick to Marvel when you'd rather hear from Avatar and they're at the same time? Do you go to movie previews or listen to Bendis talk about breaking in to comics? And god help you if you have to take a piss, which you do, cuz you're chugging water in a sweltering hot stinky auditorium jammed full of twats who have to sit on the floor for 16 hours to get a look at that ugly piece 'a shit vampire from "Blew Moon"...<p> Besides, if you were paying attention you knew about the Miracleman/Marvelman thing weeks ago, so it's not really "news", is it?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Granted SleazyG., but

    by Subtitles_Off

    when you are at Comic Con to cover comics for your audience, you don't skip the start of a Marvel panel to attend a Boom! panel.<P>You gotta prioritize for your audience.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    So we should just report on the same stuff as everybody else...

    by SleazyG.

    ...and ignore small press? Yeah, that'll lead to a healthier industry...

  • July 24, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    DC Comics is dead to me!

    by TedKordLives

    Bring back the real Blue Beetle! Fuck that power-ranger-villain-looking piece of shit wannabe! <P> Now they're gonna literally dig up Ted's corpse and parade it around (After his body was burned to ashes, no less)? <P>Fuck DC! <P> Fuck Them All!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    How many farts did u walk into with ur mouth open today?

    by Squashua

    Tell us!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    No Marvelman?

    by BRTick

    biggest comics story of the con, if you ask me! find out if they're doing reprints of the classic stuff!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Barrymore York

    by Aftermath1349

    is right. How do you miss one of the biggest announcements in comics in years? I'm so happy I haven't even found the words yet to describe it.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Red She-Hulk?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    wtf? I'm getting too old for this shit

  • July 24, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Red Fucking She-Hulk.

    by TedKordLives

    Jeph Loeb, please stop. You're killing me here. Take a year off. Mourn your loss. Then maybe you can write something that doesn't suck shit out of a dead dog's asshole.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Oh, it's totally understandable to be elsewhere...

    by Chewtoy

    ...It's just kinda funny to report on the Marvel panel and miss that it happened at all, you have to admit. It's like an old sitcom premise, and could lead to all sorts of wacky misunderstandings on the convention floor. "Jeez... so Marvel has a Red She-Hulk now... People are *way* too excited by that."

  • July 24, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Right right...

    by xsi kal

    Ambush Bug not even mentioning one of the bigger comic-related stories of the day was actually him intentionally trying to stick up for the 'little guy.' Keep fighting the good fight on the behalf of the independents, man! <br><br> /sarcasm. <br><br> Just admit it was a goof, and move on.<br><br> And yes... Loeb needs to be sent off to the farm for a few years. His work has been absolutely horrific lately. Of course, I'd be pretty happy if Way's Wolverine: Origins and all the lovely characters coming out that shit series joined Loeb on the aforementioned farm.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    You guys are pretty thick.

    by SleazyG.

    I didn't say he was "sticking up for the little guy". The reality is, the major websites like Newsarama and Comic Book Resources have multiple people at every con to cover multiple events simultaneously. We have a single comic book reporter there. He can't be everywhere at once, and he made his own judgment calls on where to be and when. After several years of Marvel panels here in Chicago where not a damned thing happened despite advance hype, why would anybody think they just *had* to be at yet another Cup O'Joe? Bug decided to visit some smaller panels from smaller companies that work outside the superhero genre, do interesting work, and had some announcements to make.<p> If you want more Marvel coverage, you know where to go and get it. But since this is the first year there's even a single comics guy at the con, how about trying to be a little understanding of how much there is to cover and how hard it is for one guy? One guy who, by the way, also had to prep for being on his first ever panel tonight?<p> Nah, it's probably easier to just keep bitching about one little thing he could have missed by so much as taking a piss midday as if it's the most important news of the decade...

  • July 24, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    SleazyG....

    by Bootskin

    I understand you have to stick up for the Bug. I LIKE the Bug. But you have to admit that this was a screw up. Marvelman rights, purchased by the very company that forced the name change in the first place? That's a HUGE announcement, and one that any professional "journalist" would admit was a mistake, and apologize for. Instead, you're getting your panties in a twist. If Bug was too busy, and had to be on a panel, was he the best guy to have on that job? And passing it off that other "major websites" were reporting it is a fucking cop-out. Some people only check this site out for their news (yes, it actually does happen..) and sending YOUR readers elsewhere because you weren't prepared enough to report on the BIG SHIT is "fucking amateur". It's common sense the the BIG SHIT is going to be announced at the end of the panel. Always is. But hey, mistakes happen. Just own up to it and don't react like a bitch when they do.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    And by the way...

    by Bootskin

    ...I just go on record that I *DO* appreciate the Bug's efforts. I think trying to get a few more @$$holes to the con would be a good idea if you want to fully cover it. God knows there's enough ads on the site to pay for the airfare.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Nope, no apologies. It wasn't a mistake. Period.

    by SleazyG.

    You're still not getting it: he's the ONLY GUY THERE. The ONLY ONE. He can't be everywhere at once, and everything at SDCC is BIG SHIT. And no, based on everything we've ever seen in Chicago, the BIG SHIT isn't always at the end of the panel. Sometimes they lead off with a "holy shit, they just invited so-and-so on stage out of the audience" and sometimes halfway through they say "oh, and we're gonna bring out this guy who's gonna be in a movie based on our comic." And yes, sometimes if you don't skate on a panel 10 minutes early, you can't even get in to the next one, and then how the fuck do you report on the BIG SHIT at that one?<p> ONE MORE TIME, plainly and simply for all the mouth-breathers: NO MISTAKE WAS MADE. AT ALL. Bug can't be everywhere at once and he's the only one doing any comics reporting at all. If that doesn't work for you, well geez, I just feel terrible about that. Except no, wait, I don't feel bad about it all, and I'm so determined to NOT apologize that I didn't even want to have to type the word in this sentence. He wasn't there, so he didn't know, so he didn't report on it because he's just one person who was scrambling from A to B to J to Q back to H.<p> If this stuff is really too hard for you to wrap your head around, how can you follow the Miracleman/Marvelman lawsuits anyway, much less the actual comics?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Well, yeah, more comics people at SDCC would be ideal.

    by SleazyG.

    We're working on it, but it's not easy and these things take a lot of time and coordination. We're hoping to do better next year. We've had people filing reports before, but this is the first year somebody's flown in exclusively to report on it, so it's a lot to take in.<p> Sorry about the tone of my last reply, Bootskin, and I appreciate the support. I'm just defensive because we've never done this before and immediately got jumped on, and I don't think people understand the constraints we're working under.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Look, he SAID he went to Cup 'o' Joe . . .

    by Barrymore Yorke

    and I believe he did. . . but that's where the Marvelman thing was announced. Even if he missed the actual announcement, how could he not have heard about it and reported it?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    It's easy not to hear about it.

    by SleazyG.

    Happens all the time. You walk in to a panel and everybody's caught up in what's being discussed *then*. They're not gonna catch a complete stranger up on whatever they missed. And if it was at the end of the panel and he had skated to haul as across the convention center to get to the next panel, he'd never even know he'd missed it, would he? Maybe you get wind of it, maybe you don't--it's hard to say at that point. Plus going back to the hotel to file a report, clean up, and go sit on a panel that night takes time away you're not circulating on the floor catching the buzz, y'know? It's not nearly as hard to miss this stuff as you guys think, especially when you're not working in tandem with a few other people.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by Bootskin

    Jesus Sleazy, I don't even let my mother in law talk to me that way.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Marvelman, really a big deal?

    by shutupfanboy

    I think not. Shit, if Deathlok and Red Hulk is part of their big announcement that sounds like the worst panel of the day. I am more psyched about Die Hard even though there probably won't be any of the language.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Like I said, sorry about the tone...

    by SleazyG.

    ...but once you start throwing around phrases like "fucking cop-out", "fucking amateur" and "don't react like a bitch", you can't really expect people to respond well, can you?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    And my major point...

    by Bootskin

    ..is that if you guys want people to come here, report on the important shit. Period. You can't justify anything by saying "Oh, all the other sites are reporting this, why do we need to?" Give me a fucking break. That's the shittiest cop-out I've ever heard from anyone trying to report on anything. And then bitching everyone out, because apparently WE get what you're supposed to do when reporting on something, but you obviously don't? Man, this is almost like having Moriarty back. I *do* support this site, but when the people who take the time to come here and read what you guys post, get bitched out when there's any kind of hypocrisy, or poor reporting, or abusing your own readers (ie: "You guys are pretty thick...."), it makes that support a little more difficult to give.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Marvelman, what? News...?

    by Laserhead

    Um, I can't actually bother to read the post for this talkback. Have some part of the rights been resolved for Marvelman? What the fuck is the news there?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Yeah, let's put Marvelman into perspective, huh?

    by SleazyG.

    It was buried under a pile of "Red She-Hulk" and "depowered Bruce Banner" and "Deathlok is back!", wasn't it? And yet, after those earth-shattering bits of news at the biggest convention of the year, you thought somebody should sit around just in case they got word of reprints of material between two and five decades old?<p> Yeah, that was worth sticking around for...bet it'll sell like hotcakes, too, all those 1950's reprints of material we never saw in the US to begin with...way to set the fuckin' con on fire. No wonder you guys are worked up! We're finally gonna get that Miracleman movie we've all been dying to see since 1983!<p> Yeah. Huh. How *did* that one get overlooked?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Here's the news, Laserhead:

    by SleazyG.

    Marvel just through seven-figure deals at many of the creators involved with Miracleman, including tying it to movie and product deals. They bought the full rights to the whole shebang so they could republish, tell new stories if they want, turn out animated series, lunchboxes, etc.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Alright, Great

    by Laserhead

    Now I've read all the talkback posts-- thanks Subtitles. What terrific news. I still have my four-issue trade paperback "Miracleman: A Dream of Flying" which according to Amazon is worth about $200, and I'll still never sell it. Miracleman, Marvelman, whateverthefuck... that's great, great news...

  • July 24, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Anyway...

    by Bootskin

    This bug-shit rant has gone on long enough. Bug, thanks for trying; and Sleazy, good on you for at least sticking up for your buddy. I think we all learned a good lesson today: Have more than one reporter at Comic con (or at least more than one on..you know...comics..), and be nice to AMbush Bug or Sleazy'll kick yer butt. *cue Mr. Roger's theme music*

  • July 24, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    But then Sleazy kind of reminded me...

    by Laserhead

    ...this is all fundamentally bullshit, really. I fell in love with the Eclipse Comics reprints of Alan Moore's stories... which lasted for about eight issues, if I remember right... So when the rights issues are resolved, Brian Bendis might make Marvelman a schizophrenic neurotic who has to constantly fly off into the sun, but at least he'll get to play with the character (Bendis gets what Bendis wants!)<p>Meantime, I'm reminded that Alan Moore's brilliant reinvention of Shazam! probably has zip to do with any future plans for Marvelman from Marvel.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I guess what I'm saying, Bootskin, is I *don't* want you to come

    by SleazyG.

    Really. Leave, and take all your friends with you, and never come back, and you'll be SOOOO MISSED. The site will never be the same without your brilliant, incisive critiques.<p> So now I'm back to calling you a mouth-breather and saying it again: BUG CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT ONCE. HE IS ONE SINGLE PERSON. HE WASN'T THERE, DIDN'T KNOW, AND DIDN'T REPORT IT.<p> It wasn't a mistake, it's not a journalistic failure, it didn't go out on the AP wire...it's just fucking MIRACLEMAN. Big deal. It's easy to decide what the "important shit" is after the fact; it's a lot harder when you're not in the room when it happens. You say you "get" what we're supposed to be doing, but it's pretty clear you don't "get" much at all, do you?<p> A word of advice, dear, gentle reader: you don't like getting abused? Don't abuse others. What, you start swinging at somebody and think they're not gonna swing back?

  • July 24, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I meant "come back".

    by SleazyG.

    Stupid truncation. Now it looks like I was saying something *really* inappropriate, and it's drained the whole thing of any weight whatsoever. Let's just laugh it off and pretend the whole thing never happened, shall we?

  • July 25, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    SleazyG., settle down

    by Subtitles_Off

    However, by your own admission you were already onto the Miracleman news. So, one would think, it might be on the top of the list for things to confirm. And, since nothing occurs at Comic Con without being plannned, I'm fairly certain there was talk to the effect "be sure not to miss Cup O' Joe - we've got something big."<P>It is perfectly fine for Ambush Bug to dismiss these things as non-newsworthy hype. And, it is perfectly fine for him to set his own priorities. I mis-spoke. He doesn't have to consider the interests of the people who come to this site at all.<P>We can all go elsewhere for our news.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Rich Johnston rumored Miracleman developments...

    by SleazyG.

    ...a few weeks ago, then said something big was coming from Marvel yesterday. So sure, somebody could have guessed it might come up, I suppose.<p> On the other hand, Bug and I were at a Marvel panel where they said there was gonna be a "big announcement" a coupla years ago. And partway through the panel, they announced Millar and Hitch on FANTASTIC FOUR. And then during the Q&A a fan asked what the big announcement was gonna be, and I kinda had to agree with him.<p> And I think it's fair to say that, in the end, the fan was right--who's cared much at all about that FF run? Nobody. So you can either expect us to follow Marvel's marketing hype or to use our own sensibilities to make rational decisions.<p> And again, I really do have to keep pointing out: it has nothing to do with whether it was newsworthy. It has to do with the fact that one man, on his own, simply cannot be everywhere at once and know everything happening in every panel. If he missed the announcement, he missed the announcement. You can keep complaining that we're not Newsarama, but it won't change the fact that we're not Newsarama. There was no great conspiracy to keep the truth about Miraclman from AICN's readers; just a lack of sufficient manpower to report on every single story at the con.<p> But you know what? Rich Johnston doesn't have that ability either, and wasn't everywhere Bug was at the same time reporting on the same things. Rich has the luxury of industry spies, not to mention fans who will catch all the details and report back out of a desperate need for validation. We have one guy trying to do everything, and it's too overwhelming.<p> I've repeated this over and over. Either you can comprehend the inability of one man to cover everything comics-related at the largest convention on the planet or you can't, but either way I know where the failure lies, and it's not with Bug.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Here's an idea.

    by Subtitles_Off

    If DC is hosting a Blackest Night panel, skip it and trot over to Steve Rude's booth. I'm dying to find out what's new with Nexus.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    The difference is people actually care about "Blackest Night".

    by SleazyG.

    Well, that, and you already know it's going to come up because DC TOLD YOU SO IN THE BACK OF THEIR COMICS, RIGHT ON THE SCHEDULE. If I know that Saturday, July 25th at 2:15 PM will be the conversation about "Blackest Night", well, I can schedule to be there, can't I?<p> And if the schedule says "Cup O' Joe", and I figure it'll just be another announcement on par with the return of Deathlok and Red Hulk getting a separate title even though we don't know who he is yet, well...doesn't sound so interesting, does it? In fact, sounds like a lot of crap, doesn't it? So yeah, you go check out some other stuff instead cuz you're gonna get plenty of Marvel exposure by con's end, and you miss one news story. So what?<p> Feel free to keep ignoring rational explanations grounded in reality if you'd like, but the myopic focus on one minor story from a five day convention is a waste of everyone's time.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Jeph Loeb is the worst fucking thing to happen..

    by Righteous Brother

    to Marvel comics since Rob Liefield. I fucking hate his recent work.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Loeb is such an ass

    by Immortal_Fish

    Despite what he did with Thor and the Watcher, it was the Offenders that was the final straw for me. Did he ever get to explaining the reappearance of Joe Fixit? Or was it just 'cause he wanted to. That pretty much summarizes the whole Rulk experience. "Whatever Jeph wants."

  • July 25, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Miracleman

    by steverodgers

    I have to say I am pretty excited about Marvel reprinting Miracleman. I've never read and it's meant to be this holy grail of comics. Although there is something to be said for that as well - a comic that can't be reprinted, a comic with actual value. However I gotta agree with Laser, that it's a bit depressing, to think if its as good as everyone says it is, that he will just be absorbed into Marvel proper and written into stupidity by some writer of the month. That's the way of the world I suppose, as Ed Brubaker says - so it goes. Anyway, is it really that good?

  • July 25, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST

    How much training does it take to become the new Hulk?

    by JonQuixote

    "Alright, you're already big and green. Now... smash this rock. Remember: No pronouns! Umm, maybe rip those pants a little mor...there you go. That's enough for this issue. We'll just get Hitch to draw it."

  • July 25, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Marvelman is a big story, Sleazy.

    by JonQuixote

    Jeez, I don't even read comics these days and I heard the rumbling down the pipe - both in terms of the specific rumor and the fact that a big announcement was coming at the end of the panel. It's one thing to say 'Bug can't be everywhere at once' - of course he can't. And I'm sure he may have a very rational explanation as to why he missed the end of Cup O'Joe. And even if he doesn't, who the fuck cares? This clearly isn't comprehensive coverage by design. But when you try to make your point by putting Marvel's acquisition of Miracleman's rights on the same level as a Deathlok mini, it seems really disingenuous.

  • July 25, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Deathlok mini!

    by JonQuixote

    Sweeet.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Oh, the rational explanation has already been given.

    by JonQuixote

    I are no read good.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    With Miracleman, Marvel has the first "prestige" project

    by Subtitles_Off

    they've ever had that they can hold up when DC gets all the kudos for stuff like "The Dark Knight Returns," "Watchmen," and "Sandman." It's a truly big deal for Marvel. And, since Marvel is indisputably the most popular publisher of funny books on the planet - for worse, more than better, in mine - it is clearly a big deal.<P>Am I going to obsess over it for the remainder of Comic Con? Fuck no. But this thread is specifically about CUP O' JOE. <P>Damn, SleazyG., I really don't see how you don't get that. It's not like you to be so knee-jerk defensive.<P>I'm fucking sorry I brought it up!

  • July 25, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    steverodgers, that's the point

    by Subtitles_Off

    Many of us don't really know if it's all that good, because, due behind-the-scenes shenanigans, we haven't been able to get a copy of it.<P>But, it's a concept that Alan Moore re-imagined and Gaiman was attached to in the 90's (I think?), so the popularity and esteem of those two writers explains all the interest.<P>I've always heard of it described as a British SHAZAM! with a psychopathic sidekick added, by Moore, in the late iteration.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    That's cool.

    by Barrymore Yorke

  • July 25, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    That's cool.

    by Barrymore Yorke

    There's just simply no reason whatsoever to take your guys' comic reporting seriously ever again,is all.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    So does this mean Marvel will be reprinting the Moore stuff?

    by stones_throw

    And how much more enraged will this make Alan Moore? Finally, he can be pissed off at both the major American comic book companies!

  • July 25, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, Alan Moore's likely

    by Subtitles_Off

    to be spewing venom through his nostrils and ears.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by Barrymore Yorke

    Sleazy, all your rationalizations fall by the wayside when one realizes that for Quesada, this WAS Marvel's big news. To him, this was more important than any of the original material they announced. Alan Moore's work on Marvelman/Miracleman is one of the reasons he entered the field in the first place. You can try to dismiss the importance of the character's acquisition all you want, but you will *always* just come across as though you're defending a bad judgment call on the reporting. That's fair enough. It takes real reporters to step up and admit they blew a story, but then you guys aren't real reporters, so we shouldn't expect that to be happening.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    But,

    by Subtitles_Off

    Alan Moore didn't create the character. He's likely to bitch if they try to make a movie from his version, his issues, of the book, which has been a long-printed comic in England.<P>I could be mistaken on this, too, but I think it has always been Gaiman who has been pushing for the rights to this. I think he has more Miracleman - sorry, Marvelman - stories he wants to write.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The banner for AICN says. . . .

    by Barrymore Yorke

  • July 25, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    The banner for AICN says. . . .

    by Barrymore Yorke

    "The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news." Heh.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Dammit! Jon Beat Me To The Hulk Joke.

    by Buzz Maverik

    Buzz Maverik's Memos To Marvel: Uh, guys, not every comic book is exactly alike so not every character has to be exactly alike. You might need training to be the new Batman. Tony Stark might even one day need to train one of his Paternity Suits to be the new Iron Man: "Okay, that one is the cup holder, that one is the demangetizer..." but being the Hulk is a pretty much on the job training thing.<p>I'm mad. I'm lonely. The Abomination has big ears, I think I'll smash him."

  • July 25, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Bug Will Be Every Where At Once

    by Buzz Maverik

    I've got the Quantum Weirdos at the @$$hole labs working on it right now. They tell me that odds are good that Bug will either be able to get ALL the comic book news ... or we'll all be sucked into a hellish alternate dimension. Either way, win/win situation, right?

  • July 25, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Deathlok FTW!!

    by Stalkeye

    Hopefully the miniseries will not involve the boring 90's version. Bring back Luther Manning the "OC" (Orginal Cyborg) as opposed to some new guy. I have a fondness for marvel's silver age characters:Deathlok,Killraven,Adam Warlock,Nova and the like.Bring it!!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Whoops--Marvel might not actually own Marvelman.

    by SleazyG.

    According to Newsarama, they didn't throw any money at Todd McFarlane and he could still take Marvel to court and tie things up for years if he feels like it. So we still may not see any reprints, new material, Cartoon Network series, or shrinky-dinks any time soon.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    they still have comics at the con?

    by bacci40

    good to know<p> just watched a vid of gaiman talking about how the con has morphed over the past 20 years and that somewhere within those hallowed halls are the 15k that were there in 89, having their own con<p> well, there may be 14999, cuz this og geek refuses to fight for space with the twilight moms

  • July 25, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    SleazyG

    by Barrymore Yorke

    You're right -- Newsarama did print a piece like that! And it starts with the line "It's the announcement that rocked the con." Apparently, rocking everyone except for Ambush Bug, you and now Buzz, who's still repeating the "Bug can't be everywhere at once" line. The thing is, the headline for Ambush Bug's piece specifically mentions the Cup 'o' Joe panel -- and the fact is it mentions nothing about the biggest news of that panel. That's quantum weak sauce, weak in every dimension. And the more defensive you guys get, the more I'm sitting back and laughing over the fact that all you had to do was say, "Yeah, we blew it. Wow. It got past us," instead of coming up with excuses.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    In response to the pisses the moans and the whines: My Cup O Joe

    by Ambush Bug

    Got to Cup O Joe early. Sat through three announcements at the beginning (Red she Hulk, Gale doing Spidey.com, and Deathlok). Then Joey the Q said there was another announcement towards the end, but before that, the ever popular questions from the audience.<br> So the mile long line forms with questions like "When are we going to see Kitty Pride, sunfire, howard the duck, etc., etc., followed by the canned three responses from the panel "Soon." "No plans at this time." or "As soon as someone sends in a good pitch." After thirty minutes of that, I felt walking the floor, attending other panels, PREPARING FOR MY OWN PANEL, chatting with others about the con, and generally having worthwhile experiences with creators, fans, and friends was more important that sitting there any longer hearing Joey Q make like a stuck record.<br> I stayed until 2:44 (I know, I looked at my watch at the time), and skinned out.<br> Is it our blunder that I didn't get the Miracleman story? I guess, it's a matter of how you look at it. Personally, I think it's Marvel's for not considering that if you wait until the end of their panel, it is almost impossible to make it to the next. If you've been to one of these cons you'd know that.<br> And that's...how it went down.<br> It's busy here. I missed an announcement. Honestly, move on.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I wasn't being defensive, genius.

    by SleazyG.

    I was providing an update to the story you were all so up in arms about last night, because I think it's actually a BIGGER story that Marvel made the announcement without paying off the one guy likely to be the biggest obstacle for them. I mean, it's not like McFarlane likes Marvel *or* Gaiman, is it?<p> And by the way? BUG CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT ONCE. If you wait until 20 or 30 minutes into a Q&A hot on the heels of DEATHLOK MAX and "Bruce can never be Hulk again" to make your "big announcement", then A.) YOU'RE AN IDIOT and B.) SOME PEOPLE WILL LEAVE FOR THEIR NEXT ENGAGEMENT.<p> Oh, look! STILL NO APOLOGY!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    my other reaction when I realized I missed the Miracleman news..

    by Ambush Bug

    Oh shit, there goes my Pulitzer.<br><br> Heading out to the con again, folks. Play nice.

  • July 25, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    pisses, moans and whines

    by Subtitles_Off

    nice

  • July 25, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    "they still have comics at the con?"

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's a great question.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    You guys are too funny.

    by Barrymore Yorke

    Love the reviews, though.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Dodging deadline questions.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Another day for typical Marvel.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Creative level of comfort?

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    If that is true then Marvel should be giving out free copies of comic books. The writing and art are terrible. Not worth the price they charge for nowdays.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Funny how you don't see many Watchmen costumes this year

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Cause that movie sucked.

  • July 25, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Any American comic in the last few years.

    by dulbeat

    It's all crap. This why why a shared universe for an entire company is a TERRIBLE IDEA! Continuities get crossed, confused, and rip dramatic tension out of just about everything, especially deaths, because those don't really exist anymore. Characters will just keep coming back to life because their death was pointless to begin with and did nothing but inhibited creativity. Plus, all these company-wide crossover events are useless, yet people still buy the books knowing they will suck. Stop buying Marvel and DC books!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Dullbeat

    by Subtitles_Off

    It only gets worse in the coming year, when every single DC book will feature a sparkly legacy tween superhero and its soap opera angst. It's as if all the grown-ups have abandoned Earth.

  • July 25, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Anime Iron Man & Wolverine coming 210

    by mistergreen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ej7ZlS2oQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyy-KBFvKPg

  • July 25, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by Bootskin

    ..that Anime Wolverine looks like utter shit. Iron Man on the other hand, simply looks like they injected Iron Man into a pre-existing Anime series. I don't think I mind that.

  • July 26, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    FUCK THE COMIC SHIT!!

    by whiskey_dick

    The only reason to be at Comic Con is to get information on Futurama! What happened with their panel????

  • July 26, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    what happened with Futurama:

    by SleazyG.

    nobody cared. especially after it was leaked that all the main voices are being recast to save money. not that we cared before that, really.

  • July 26, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    I get what you're saying, AB.

    by BRTick

    But the biggest and best announcements are always towards the end. Regardless, someone needs to find out just what the heck they're doing with Marvelman now that they have it. Are they reprinting the old stuff? Only new stories? Are we going to see him teaming up with Ultimate Spiderman in a huge cross-over event? What?

  • July 26, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Simultaneous Bugs

    by Buzz Maverik

    Our Quantum Weirdos here at @$$hole labs have partially cracked it. We've got some alternate reality Bugs in our reality now. That's why one Bug is here at the bar at Casa Del Maverik, having a shot of Herradura, while another Bug is drinking a Bud in a San Diego Bar at this moment, another is knocking back single malts with Sleazy in the Big Windy, and I see that Brian Michael Bendis is texting me asking me to get rid of the guy who keeps following him around going "Yak-yak-yak-blah-blah-blah-snore".<p>Still, Bug is not yet EVERYwhere but we're hopeful. Apparently, the Quantum Weirdos need some device from this underground lab in the midwest that's --sigh--illegal so me and Vroom have to break in and get it. Sleazy, we'll need you on the computer. You are our eyes and ears. Schleppy will have a plane waiting for take off.

  • July 26, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Why I'm Happy About DEATHLOK

    by Buzz Maverik

    That means we get ESSENTIAL DEATHLOK Vol 1. Ya gotta love '70s comics. No trend unturned. Cybernetics, bionics hot on TV? Let's do a comic! But Buckler and Moench were allowed to get nuts with the concept!

  • July 26, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    MiracleWHO? Reprint ZENITH.

    by Squashua

    Half of us weren't old enough to pick up those books when they first came out; the other half didn't live in Europe. Yawn.

  • July 26, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Video of Joe Q talking about

    by paulrichard

    acquisition of Marvelman : http://tiny.cc/km3KP

  • July 26, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Buzz

    by Bootskin

    Hehe...now that was funny. I just want to go on record as saying that I *understand* (ie: not thick), that Bug can't be in all places at once. I just disagreed with Sleazy's response. Granted, I was kind of a douchebag about it, no doubt. Of course, that's all part of the TB isn't it? Anyway, any of the @$$holes I may have offended, my apologies. A more mature arguement will be utilized next time you guys fuck up.... <grin>

  • July 26, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    And...

    by Bootskin

    ..that last part was a joke.

  • July 27, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    OMEGA

    by dead-battery

    Having lived through a number of NY ComicCon Cup o’ Joes’, you are always better off going to the Dark Horse panel when Eric Powell will encourage you to send him porn or listen to the embittered guy who does the brilliant and often unrecognized Milk and Cheese, Evan Dworkin (sic), explain why everyone is crazy but him. You might get to listen and/or participate in real discussion. Really, Cup of Joe it is the same every year, like a ritual: couple of middling announcements; people lining up and asking crazy question. You get to listen to Joe Q, like a Soviet era communist official defending successive failing five year plans, justify every crappy editorial decision he ever made. Occasionally, a insane fan (usually clearly somewhere on the Autism spectrum) will gush, “I really like what you’ve done w/Spiderman” and Joey Q will be like, “Yes, I am great. Thank you. Really like the costume. ” In all fairness, he is occasionally funny, but in an obnoxious jerk way; like a guy who was sort of your friend in high school, who now has a better job than you, and, while strangely defensive and unsure of it, won’t let you forget it. **** Of course, at NY ComicCon you get Buckley, which is good for Joe, because when enraged fan is like “I have to choose between comics and my mortgage!!” Joey Q will be “talk this guy”. Buckley then gives the impression a dart board decides how comics are priced. It is all very depressing. **** Of course, at some point during the panel Dan Slott, usually hiding in the audience, will be called upon to do his Thing impression which is joy and causes one to wonder that maybe if he had been cast as a rather short, balding, middle aged Ben Grimm the FF movies would not have been such bitter failures. (Although, DVD of second FF movie worth buying because it has a fantastic Kirby Documentary). But, really, getting upset over Bug leaving Cup o’ Joe a few minutes early bespeaks of ignorance of what ComicCon’s are like. Also the guy is doing it as public service. It’s not like he’s getting paid for god’s sake, and, really, it can’t help him pick up chicks. Or, if it does, I would like to get the name of that bar. Not sharing that information would be tantamount to journalistic malpractice.

  • July 27, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    nothing "Die Hard" should ever be described as "nummy"

    by troutpencil

    It is sickly weird and innappropriate.

  • July 27, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Like I said...

    by Bootskin

    ..I wasn't annoyed at Bug about anything. The "get your news elsewhere if we don't cover it" message we got in retaliation for his leaving early just (in my opinion)kinda defeats the purpose of trying to get people to *this* site. I've been to plenty of cons in my time, and my experience is that the good stuff is usually let out of the bag at the end. Obviously this isn't always the case, and what the "good stuff" is, depends on personal tastes. People who couldn't give two shits about Miracle/Marvelman would probably rate this right along side finding out that Marvel was reprinting Little Lulu. Different strokes...

  • July 27, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Different strokes, indeed, Willis

    by dead-battery

    The only solution is to cancel your subscription to AICN comics. Look at it this way, the guys who write reviews on the site are not producing content for cash, but for love of what is a dying medium; AICN comics covers the Marvel/DC axis of comics’ evil (which you, and some readers, look for), but what makes the site have more texture, depth and value, is the coverage of the medium outside of two companies that deliver an increasing diminishing return (as evidenced by a reprinting/rebranding by mircleman/marvel man). Anyway, nothing to really get worked up over on either side. Future scholars, cybernetically altered, attempting to reconstruct the history of this troubled age after the Great Disaster, will scratch their plasti-steel clad skulls, and determine the dispute vis a vis Bug leaving Cup o’ Joe early, a.k.a., Cup o’ Joegate, not worthy of a footnote (although there would probably be a tortured chapter on the semiotics of the Kardassian family relationship -- further evidence there is no god.); Dan Slott’s Ben Grimm impression, will take on an importance akin to the Gettysburg address. Joe Q, then 2029 years old, kept alive by anti-aging treatments, will announce a the 324th reboot of the Spider-man franchise to the few mutants attending the 2309 NYComicCon in the rubble of the Javitt Center. Alas, no one will be there to report it.

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