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UPDATED! Gary Oldman drops a BATMAN bomb at Comic-Con!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I'm still in the middle of the Warner Bros panel, but this one little bit of news I need to drop here. Gary Oldman was on the panel for THE BOOK OF ELI (which looks really cool, by the way) and was asked about when the next Batman movie is coming out. Surprisingly, Oldman was open. He said he thinks they shoot next year, so look for the next BATMAN flick to come out the year after 2011 (his words). "But you didn't hear it from me," with a laugh. I'm sitting down with Oldman today and will follow-up. Thought you'd want to know. UPDATE: I just interviewed Oldman and he back-peddled a bit on it, going from sure to the movie filming next year on the panel to a more "well, I'm sure they want to do another one... it might 2 or 3 years..." I'll have the exact quote for you in my interview, which I hope to have up tomorrow, but maybe them horses need holdin'. Or maybe he slipped and got an earful from Warners. What do you folks think? -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • July 24, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Damn.

    by Tell_Your_Mom_I_Said_Hi

    FIRST!

  • July 24, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    No Nolan....

    by Lashlarue

    No Deal. <p> You hear me Warner Bros.!<p> DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Do they have to bring Bale back?

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Getting kinda sick of that guy now.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    "I think..."

    by Blanket-Man

    Oldman doesn't sound so sure.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Effin' SWEET

    by so_here_I_am

    Awesome news.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Oldman is a God...

    by JackLucas

    It is true.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    No West, No Way.

    by Tell_Your_Mom_I_Said_Hi

    Bale is overrated as Bruce Wayne.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Interesting....

    by Randy Sims

    Find out who the big bad is and what the cater is going to serve and if Bale really is an asshole...

  • July 24, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Awesome

    by GiveMeAnFinBreak

    This is why I love the week of Comic-con. It's one of the few times you can really count on this site to fully live up to its name.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Nolando Calrissian

    by OceanWang

    So this means Nolan isn't coming back right? He'll still be on Inception. So who directs?

  • July 24, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    KEWL

    by grievenom

    Though I liked Batman Begins better than the overrated TDK.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Batman 3: Die Batman Die

    by turketron_2

  • July 24, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    YESSSS.

    by gnarwhal_evan

    I need more Batman...

  • July 24, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    No Nolan. No movie.

    by HoboCode

    Period.

  • Can't fucking wait!

  • July 24, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I thought Gary Oldman was the one actor...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    ...in that franchise that wanted out. If he is enthusiastic about a third, then this should be good.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    So... 2012?

    by Laserhead

    Really? That's exciting? The next Batman movie is just three short years away!!!<p>Unless Quint meant "the year after,(comma) 2011."

  • July 24, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    It better have Nolan....

    by TheWaqman

    Bale has to stay now I guess, sadly.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    What I meant to say was...

    by Delagoya

    I just posted this on your site at the KICK ASS talkback a little before you guys.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    by magnetic

    ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  • July 24, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    He doesn't know what he's talking about

    by Montag666

    They've been saying for the past year that they don't even have a script. There's no way they shoot next year.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    oldman was moral center of the films

    by Six Demon Bag

  • July 24, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Is Oldman the new Michael Caine?

    by NinjaRap

    AKA the guy who spouts off about Batman movies with no actual info? Either way I hope they turn off the electronic reverb on Bale's voice this time. He sounded perfect in the first, but the second was too much. As for Oldman, I'd prefer to know if he's going to appear in Deathly Hallows.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

  • July 24, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    EVERRRYOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!

    by spire_walk

  • July 24, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    holy crapdogs please yes

    by heyscot

    Go Chris!

  • July 24, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Finally, you bastards bring me BATMAN news. Thank you.

    by YackBacker

    Thank you very much.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    World's Worst Dracula.

    by cookylamoo

  • July 24, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    How can they get Stephen Lang into this?

    by Kizeesh

    eh? eh?

  • July 24, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder is waiting in the on-deck circle...

    by SpyGuy

    After the box office that THE DARK KNIGHT hauled in, there was nothing more sure than another Batman movie. The question is, will Nolan return? If not, I bet Zack Snyder's they're go-to replacement.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Ben lyons

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    said "i absolutely LOVED Batman 3.The visual effects were stunning, the casting top-notch, i mean..what's not to love?"..upon which the befuddled crowd slapped his across his ridiculous looking face and drenched him in marinara sauce, explaining the film has yet to even lens-let alone be seen...leaving poor Ben to hang his large head down low and be ridiculed forever.Then, in an odd twist-ben proclaimed he'd NEVER actually seen the film, but new about the budget and distributor

  • July 24, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I second that Hobo. No Nolan, No Movie.

    by Stalkeye

  • July 24, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Bale is your god

    by ScottinDC

    Just accept it, bow your fucking heads and pray for his divine fists up your ass. PRAY BITCHES!

  • July 24, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Ninjarap....

    by Delagoya

    Thanks for the spoiler bullshit on Harry Potter. You know, not everyone's read all the books yet you fucking assclown.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    *SPOOGE* Excuse me....

    by Frodo T. Baggins

  • July 24, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    cool news...

    by movieman742

    If you look at what Nolan and everyone is doing at the time, yeah 2012 is about as right as the next guy who says it. I'm not sure how he "drops a BATMAN bomb" when it's clearly the soonest everyone involved can make it....

  • July 24, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    That Bat voice is so

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    DISTRACTING! What a mistake

  • July 24, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I wanna see

    by pax256

    Gary Oldman and Daniel Day Lewis do a genre film together. There I said it. I dont care what story, no need for a great author, just make it up, Those 2 are so good I think their characters would carry it.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Okay.

    by capocapocapo

    So a movie with no director and no Batman is shooting next year? Right.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    pax256

    by movieman742

    that actually sounds like it could be epic.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I doubt Oldman actually cares that much about Batman

    by Toilet_Terror

    For him it's a good paycheck, but I can't imagine he's much excited about it. He's just humoring people.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    2 Things...

    by Chadley BeBay

    1) I GUARANTEE this is not true. Don't get your hopes up, it AINT HAPPENING. 2) The Bat-voice was totally true to the comics, and anyone who doesn't like it should go FUCK THEMSELVES.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb..."

    by SpyGuy

    Adam West FTW.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Delagoya

    by stemjsim

    Don't worry it isn't really a spoiler as Sirius is actually dead as dead.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I LOVE THESE LITTLE CALMS BEFORE THE STORM. IT REMINDS ME OF BE

    by damiz707

  • July 24, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    by damiz707

    BEETHOVEN

  • July 24, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I'm not the one...

    by OceanWang

    WEARING HOCKEY PANTS! Arrrggggghhhhh.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    They Need To Get The Casting Of Robin Right

    by Red Lantern

    They have been casting very well so far, but the one thing that can derail the franchise in a hurry is if they blow it on Robin. Casting Chris O' Donnell saved the first franchise, but then they ruined it with a bad choice for Batgirl. So the guy should be pretty, but he has to be able to act too. But they got it right with the joker and two-face, so I have faith.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Anyone looking for Comic Con Booth Babes

    by Stabby

    http://tinyurl.com/nofnu6 I am not associated with that web site in any way. Just sharing the love.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Batman 3: La De Da De Da

    by estacado1

    A recent pic of Bale shows him looking really skinny for The Fighter. There's only so much his body can take.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Chadley Bebay

    by brattyben

    How the fuck are you hearing voices when you read comics? Explain that to me. Maybe some people read Batman as more of a whispery tone.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    JOHN MILIUS IN NEGOTIATIONS

    by Willie_Watkins

    NRA fap fodder

  • July 24, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    For the naysayers who don't bother to think before they post.

    by abysstare

    "Next year" would be 2010. We're currently in 2009, unless my DeLorean is WAY off. The point is, this news does not preclude Nolan as director, it does not preclude a polished script, and it does not preclude the film releasing in 2011. The film could start shooting in DECEMBER of 2010 for Oldman's statement to be correct. (Also, if you go with the three year in-between from the release of Batman Begins to Dark Knight, the next Batman film would be out in the summer of 2011. Assuming the same three year period, obviously, which is just a hypothetical. And as you may recall, Nolan shot a film in-between the first two Batman movies as well.) So just sit down and relax. Seriously.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I JUST FUCKING CAME

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    OH MY GOD I WANT TO FUCKIN NOLAN AND BALE IN THE ASS SO HARD

  • July 24, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    5th Element SEQUEL!!!!!!

    by Series7

    No....to bad.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman as old as hell Gordon.

    by Nice Marmot

    Daniel Day Lewis as old Batman/Bruce Wayne in Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. Nicholson back as old Joker. Directed by David Fincher.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Daniel Radcliffe Word Be Good As Robin

    by Spooge McDuck

    I agree Robin is going to make or break these movies, the right casting will make the next film bigger than Titanic I think. Radcliffe just keeps on rocking harder and harder, just imagine him as Robin! People would come to the movie just to see that! And, he's the perfect age and pulls off teen action really well, while being serious.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    brattyben

    by Chadley BeBay

    First of all: FUCK YOU. 2nd of all they repeatedly describe his voice as being 'really gravelly' and like 'broken glass being crushed' and almost animal. His voice is SUPPOSED to be like that. If you don't like it, you don't like Batman, numbskull.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    How about the guy from High School Musical

    by SeanMiller

    to play Robin!! Other good ideas include a skinny Seth Rogen. Jonah Hill would be funny. They will probably go with Gambit from Friday Night Lights.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    BURT REYNOLDS TAPPED FOR POISON IVY ROLE

    by Willie_Watkins

    I heard it on Script-titty-girl channel

  • July 24, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Oldman needs to just make Tip Toes

    by jobs_are_for_wimps

    w/ James Gunn, just to mindfuck everyone. Oh yeah, and lets just keep Robin out of these new Batman flicks please. And, seriously, how come no one talked Bale out of his corny batman voice? Everyone involved creatively actually agreed on that shit? Maybe Avatar was already fucking their ear-holes.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    BURT REYNOLDS TAPPED FOR POISON IVY ROLE

    by Willie_Watkins

    I heard it on Script-titty-girl channel

  • July 24, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Was there ever really any doubt?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    'Tis good news and I hope that they can bring the team together for one more turn at Bat.<P>Cool to hear that Oldman hit the Con. Fucking love that guy.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oldman is King

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    If he played a rebooted version of Zod, I'd squeal like a pig.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Dude...

    by The Eskimo

    I just found my girlfriend on that comic book dating site. That fucking slut!

  • July 24, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    seriously, no robin yet.

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    maybe a dick grayson, but no robin.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Zach Efron Is The Guy

    by Red Lantern

    Yeah, he looks right, but I don't know if he can pull off serious, after all, Robin's parents get killed so that part is important in the first movie. I agree on Radcliffe, he'd be perfect but there are other choices as well I think would be good. Josh Hutcherson doesn't have the name recognition, but his age is even better and he's got a pretty enough face and can pull off serious acting.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    No Nolan, I don't go

    by Kief_Ledger

    And this is coming from a giant Batman fan. I've admired Warner Bros. as of late. The fact that they had the balls to let TDK and Watchmen both be 2.5 hours shows confidence in the creators. And the fact that they spent $130 mil. on Speed Racer. But taking Nolan off Batman would be a retarded, Tom Rothman-esque move.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    abysstare

    by OceanWang

    Dismissive wanking motion in your direction.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Ben Kingsley as Riddler

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    I'd see it.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Umm when the next film is coming out

    by ZoeFan

    Doesn't equal a "bomb". A bomb would be the admission of new characters (main villan, etc.)

  • July 24, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    They need to NOT cast Robin at all...

    by TheWaqman

    seriously let Nolan finish off his trilogy with some dignity. You fanboys ruined Spiderman. It was all fine and dandy until they introduced that stupid symbiote and Venom.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The only bomb Oldman dropped at Comic-Con

    by Willie_Watkins

    was a huge shitbomb in the toilet

  • July 24, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    "the bat-voice is true to the comics"....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..i hadn't noticed comics have sound now. When did that happen?<p> Now for the unsmart-ass remark. That voice was the only thing that i didn't like about The Dark Knight. It was wrong, period. They should have gotten their cues from Batman: the animated series. Bruce isn't putting on a show when he's Batman, he's being himself. The obsessive compulsive nonsense bad-ass with the hard voice is who he really is. Bale should have been told to deepen his voice somewhat when he was Batman, alone with Alfred or alone with Racheal and lighten the tone when he was "Bruce Wayne" in public.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    You know who could pull off Robin?

    by Series7

    Chris O'Donnell . He still looks the same. That are the guy from Greys Anatomy who is trying to steal Chris O'Donnell's career.

  • July 24, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    sounds like

    by Herman_Blume

    a load of rubbish..

  • July 24, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    FUCK'S SAKE THIS IS AMATEUR!!!!

    by Kief_Ledger

  • July 24, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I Think Jason Todd Would Be Better As Robin

    by Spooge McDuck

    Here's why, because in the comics he dies. So when you watch the movies, you never know if Robin is going to die in this one or not! Because you know they won't kill Batman, but if it's Jason Todd, people will always be wondering if Robin's going to die when he's in danger! I hadn't thought about Josh Hutcherson, but yeah, he would be good. I just really like Daniel Radcliffe because I'd like to see a comic book movie take all time champ at the box office. I think Radcliffe would be the one who is the perfect package. But there are other actors who could do it too, Shia Lebouf would be a close second. I still think Radcliffe is our guy though.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I can see it now...

    by The Eskimo

    Robin has just doned the uniform for the first time, and a "Holy (fill in the blank), Batman" joke will be made, and it will ruin the film.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers

    by Series7

    Yeah they are like those Hallmark cards. <P> Actually if you look up Wednesday Comics, the second Superman has the Batman voice. Really check it out on USA today.com, tell me that does not read like Baleman <P> http://tinyurl.com/n8dd4c

  • July 24, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Isn't Robin supposed to be a little kid?

    by KarlKolchak

    And, I thought Nolan said no Robin.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I'll tell ya who'd make a good Robin....

    by finky089

    nobody. Leave him out of it, Nolan! I'd rather see Two-Face return at the very end of the next film.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    "2) The Bat-voice was totally true to the comics, and anyone who

    by Larry Sellers

    Wow Chadley. You mean that Bale's voice matches the voice you IMAGINED THE DRAWING WAS SPEAKING IN YOUR HEAD? The voice is just a matter of taste. Whether it's "true to the comics" is purely subjective. We all "hear" different voices when we read dialog.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay

    by DennisMM

    Give us actual references. I've been reading Batman comics on and off for 40 years, and I don't remember REPEATED comments about his voice sounding like broken glass. It is supposed to be gruff and unnerving, but I don't remember being told that it's inhuman. And Bale's treated voice in TDK didn't sound human. In the films, Keaton's Bat voice was best. Overall, Conway.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Larry Sellers

    by Series7

    You hear voices in your head?

  • July 24, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    They film without Nolan, I'm trashing lights on the set

    by Kief_Ledger

    You've been warned Warner Bros.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Enough about Robin, The character doesnt work

    by IndustryKiller!

    It doesn't work on film and it only barely works in the comic. The only reason anyone likes him is because he became Nightwing, but its not worth going through Robin for a second tier KINDA cool character like Nightwing. Christ fanboys are dense.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Shia Could Do It, But He Looks Too Old

    by Red Lantern

    I know he's young, but I'd have a hard time seeing him as a teenager. Maybe though. They did a "Holy rusted metal" reference in Batman Forever, and it was pretty clever. Robin saved that series, but it was because they cast the "right" Robin after Batman Forever, so they need to be careful. I like the Jason Todd idea, it would add suspense, I hadn't thought of that. It would be even better if in the fifth film they actually killed him off. How cool would THAT be?

  • July 24, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Now we should all just get over Heath Ledger...

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    So that the conflict between Batman and The Joker can continue, as it should. Any other villain against Batman is just someone who's not The Joker. The juxtaposition of those two characters is just too potent and iconic to piss it away over an untimely death. Joseph Gordon Levitt is my pick.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Daniel Radcliffe?

    by Delagoya

    Fucking Harry Potter as Robin? The kid looks like a mini John Lennon! While we're at it, let's cast Alan Rickman as Hugo Strange! "I have........deduced your true identity......Bat........Man.......or should I say............Wayne?"

  • July 24, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Don't get too excited...

    by Nickn328

    We hear this once every couple of months and it ends up being nothing. A Batman 3 could be good (the whole Nolan series has been fantastic) but I wouldn't hold my breath.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Film title LEAKED : Batman and the Inifnity Gauntelet

    by Willie_Watkins

    with 3d CGI Thanos

  • July 24, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who wants Clayface?

    by Adelai Niska

    I know it's blasphemy to have a shape-changer in the Nolan-verse, but these movies are all about the theme of identity and the battle between "Bruce" and "Batman." I'd love a movie where Bruce also becomes Matches Malone and some master of disguise (or shapeshifter, maybe) just replaces him as Bruce without Bruce himself seeming to care. Just, plase, no Penguin.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Please just leave it alone after Dark Knight

    by sith_rising

    If we've learned anything from Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, The Empire Strikes Back, Superman 2, Wrath of Khan, The Matrix and Pirates of the Caribbean, it's that you should quite while you're ahead. There's NO WAY a third Batman could live up to expectations. If you thought fanboys bitched a lot about The Phantom Menace, just you wait and see.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    The Penguin could be great if done right

    by Kief_Ledger

    If they kept him true to the comics and not a sideshow circus freak like Burton did.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Michael Jackson's corpse for CLAYFACE!

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • July 24, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The Carrie Kelley Robin Could Work Too

    by Spooge McDuck

    Since they already killed off the only female member of the cast, this could be a way to add a new one and not have to wait for Batgirl. I don't think she should be killed though, and yeah, they should bring the joker back, but not right away. I think people get tired of seeing the same characters do the same things, so new characters make the movies better. It's the reason the third X-Men made the most money, they brought back all the old characters and added some new ones, and gave them new powers. The problem with Superman Returns was it was the same movie with a different cast, no new villians and no new powers. Hopefully Batman won't make the same mistake, but they've been doing great so far. Sometimes in the third one though, things get screwed up like Spider-man.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    KRISTEN BELL FOR HARLEY QUINN!

    by PennsyDeux

  • July 24, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    No Fucking Robin

    by Autodidact

    Robin has been wrong since 1940 and the only way Dark Knight Returns could have been better, imho, would have been NO ROBIN.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    WHATEVER YOU DO MR. NOLAN

    by Continentalop

    Do NOT listen to advice from people on these message boards. And that probably includes me even though I have "great" ideas.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    AGREEING WITH RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    by SigourneyWeaversBeaver

    The post is way up atop. But I agree. Bale is sooooo overrrated. I got to be honest, I never really liked the guy in anything. The Batman movies are a pass due to the material and other actors involved. The Prestige(Which I think is Nolan's best) was due to writing, Nolan and Jackman.<br><br> I wish they had the balls to re-cast Batman, but it won't happen.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The best bet for Bats 3 would be...

    by AzulTool

    The Dark Knight Returns. Or, some variation of that. Just grey up and "oldify" Bale. They even had the perfect lead in with Bats disappearing at the end of TDK. Let's say, he's been out of the game for a while, and Gotham slips into utter chaos. Maybe you can feature The Mutant gang, throw in a little hooker Catwoman action, and there ya go.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    DennisMM-

    by Chadley BeBay

    Shut the fuck up. If you knew Batman, you'd agree. I am not gonna waste my time gathering refrences for you.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    In defense of Robin

    by Continentalop

    You guys do realize that without Robin we wouldn't be talking about Batman right now, don't you? I mean, before Robin Batman was a mildly successful comic book and an obvious rip off of the Shadow and the Spider. He was just one of dozen such characters floating around, and probably would have been forgotten by the time the Golden Age came to an end (he probably would have been forgotten sooner, consider how he didn't stand out amongst all the more colorful heroes). <P> It was the appearance of Robin that made him a huge success, made him into a unique character instead of another pulp hero clone, and gave him an actual personality. <p> I'm not saying bring in Robin for the films, but he is what made Batman successful for the first four decades. The guy owes him his longevity.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Chadley BeBay

    Shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about. Batman was a HUGE hit from the start. Just....shut up.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    The Carrie Kelly Robin Is An Interesting Idea

    by Red Lantern

    I hadn't thought of that either, but I don't think there's enough history there, and I like seeing the stories from the comics on the screen. That's what made the third X-Men so good, they got all the references in missing from the first two films, but the first two were good too. I could see Abigail Breslin doing it, but having a hard time thinking of another actress. I agree about keeping it fresh, I don't want to see the Joker back too soon either. It's like having Blofeld in too many Bond films, they need to spread him out a bit. Batman can't really have new powers, but they can increase the gadgets, like the Batcave. I hope we see THAT in the next film. There are so many Batman villians, I'd like to see one that hasn't been used before, like Clayface. Black Mask would be good too, and he fits the style of the new movies. Hopefully they are listening to the fans like they have before, and not like they did with Superman Returns. Ugh.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    STOP THE PRESSES

    by Anything But Tangerines

    Gary Olman is senile!

  • July 24, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Hmnnn we would have read about it before

    by ricarleite2

    Sounds weird that Gary Oldman is delivering this news so openly, already saying when they start to shoot...

  • July 24, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay, you're right

    by Continentalop

    He was a success off the bat (no pun intended). He was a good seller, but he got even bigger AFTER they introduced Robin. And if you don't think the little guy in the red and yellow didn't have a big part playing in his popularity you are nuts. <p> Oh wait, you are nuts. You instantly jump the gun and tell people to shut the fuck up. Learn some fucking manners dick and come back here when you can hold a polite conversation.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Jackie Earle Haley as Riddler...

    by Mrhazard

    Thats all I want to see...

  • July 24, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The bomb squad just declared

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Um, we didn't even see the need to evacuate the convention center. As far as bombs go, this one's a bit of a dud."<P>No script. No director. No commitment. Just an "I think" from an actor who was probably already on his seventh cocktail of the day.<P>Move along, people, nothing to see.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "Chris Nolan signed to direct Batman 3"

    by JacksBloatedPayroll

    Until I see those words in a press release, all this other crap is bullshit.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    BATVOICE

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    In TDK, in the scene where Bale in full Batman drag was showing Lucious Fox the cellphone sonar thing for the first time, and Batman says, "It's beautiful, isn't it?" and through the whole rest of the scene, HE USES THE BATVOICE. Why? Lucious already knows who he is. Does he 'get into character every time no matter who he is talking to? <br> <br> And while I'm at it, if someone out there can answer me a question I've long had about BATMAN BEGINS, when we see Bale in the Asian prison and he kicks the shit out of like ten guys (who all happen to speek Engrish for some strange reason, including the guards), how the hell did he learn to do that? This is before Ra's Al Ghul gets him out and trains him, right, so wtf?

  • July 24, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 Will Be A Letdown

    by Acquanetta

    Regardless of whether or not Nolan returns, Robin is recruited, or the Joker is recast.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Oldman does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    He's actually not *that* old.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeah, Robin Definitely Made Batman

    by Spooge McDuck

    I like this site because so many people here know their history. Robin is very important to the Batman story and the fans, one reason we want more movies is so we can see all the stories and all the good characters. I really hope they do "Demon In A Bottle" for Iron Man, but we'll see. I like the idea of Black Mask and Clayface, Clayface can be a master of disguise though, he doesn't need to morph his face. Harley Quinn would be a cool way to continue the joker story. She could be inspired by the crimes of the joker, and since he's just in jail, pick up where he left off. Then there would be suspense for the meeting in a later film. Or they could have her talking to him in prison, but in shadow, using a Heath Ledger impersonator. Now THAT would blow peoples' minds if you found a good one. I think Scarecrow should be in every film. He's been in the first two, so it would be cool if he was always involved. He represents fear better than any of the Batman villians, and the movies are all about fear and hope. So Scarecrow should always be there, IMHO, like Magneto in all the X-Men films.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    Most underrated actor in the history of modern cinema. Honestly, you could be watching a Gary Oldman movie that STARS Gary Oldman, and halfway through it the realization pops into your mind, "Hey, shit, I didn;t even realize that was Gary Oldman." <br> <br> Talk about a chameleon, he has the most incredible ability I've ever seen in an actor. Look through his IMDB page, and while you remember all the movies and remember all the characters and roles, you don't realize that they are all Gary Oldman; it's really fucking strange! What an uncanny ability to completely immerse himself into a role or character and leave no trace of Gary Oldman visible, it's incredible. Plus HE LOOOOOOOOOVES MOZART!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    HMMMMMM...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Just rewatched The Dark Knight last night...that MUST MEAN SOMETHING. Anyway, bring me more Batman. and The Ventriloquist as a villain. Or Egghead.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Commiss. Gordon is my fav character in these films

    by IAmLegolas

    God bless that loveable Oldman

  • July 24, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman is the man!

    by Psycho_Kenshin

    I love you Gary Oldman. This is just one more reason, you animal.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Jackie Earle Haley in Batman 3

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    I don't care what part he plays. He belongs in Gotham City.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    My nipples are hard

    by chewyou812

  • July 24, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Robin

    by Mr.FTW

    Nolan and Bale have both said repeatedly that Robin will never appear in any Batman movie they ever make. I could see how they could introduce a young Dick Grayson that doesn't become Robin before the end of the series but even that won't happen.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Re: Subtitles_Off

    by ricarleite2

    WELL said. Let's wait until Nolan comments on this, but it's easier now to see an Indy 5 than a Batman 3.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    But the world is supposed to end in 2012

    by The Funketeer

    Roland Emmerich says so.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Eddie Murphy as Egghead...

    by Mrhazard

    EGGSCELLENT!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Nolan: 'No Robin in my movies'

    by Darth_Tarantino

    He's said it many times in interviews that he'd never have Robin in the story. So stop worrying.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Oh boy, a pointless sequel...

    by Ribbons

    ...that totally cheapens the ending of 'The Dark Knight.' "Hey, I found some CCTV footage of Harvey Dent punching a broad in the face! Now Batman can come back and everything is right with the world forever!" Ain't it cool news?

  • July 24, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Chadley

    by DennisMM

    I won't shut the fuck up. I know Batman. How long have YOU been reading comics, punk? Do you even remember Batman before he was grim and gritty? When he was sane? I doubt it.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Fuck freaky friday's the halfwits are out today.<p> Gerbil boy, beaver girl, and Chadley - fuck off and start some critter commune you worthless shits. You're sick of Bale? I've barely seen your noob names here before and i'm already sick of you.<p> Why don't you three cocksuckers join hands and take a troll stroll off a cliff.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    AzulTool - TDK perfect lead-in for Bats being

    by Lamerz

    ... out of the game for a while?? Do you not remember how TDK ended? Yeah, Bats left, but he was going on the run as a suspect of multiple murders so that Dent would not uncovered as the killer. He wasn't giving up being Batman at all. Starting 3 with Bats being older and out of the game for a long time would be LAME and inconsistent with the end of TDK.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    So what?... the Tron:Legacy Concept footage is online.

    by Robnhud

    at flynnlives.com

  • July 24, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    So pissed off at Gordon

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He had all that evidence that Batman was NOT responsible for killing the 8 people, but let Batman take the fall? Shitty. The movie was so go until the ending.

  • July 24, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    ZombieHeathLedger

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Wayne's fighting skills in the prison are obviously something he has taught himself. Either that or he's been around the block and got tips. He even says to the big guy 'You're not the devil, you're practice.' So he's basically been honing his fighting skills IN PRISON it would seem. Later on when he first fights Ducard, the bearded one says Wayne is mildly proficient in fighting but has no real skill. So Ducard is the man who makes Wayne the Fighter into Wayne the Warrior.

  • July 24, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Robin was created for two reasons

    by DennisMM

    1. He lightened up the dark character of the Batman to make him seem safer and offer a wider appeal, not unlike Superman. 2. He offered identification for all the kids. They couldn't possibly be Batman, but they could just possibly be Robin.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Ribbons - you complete and utter idiot

    by Lamerz

    You think there is absolutely no way Bats can come back that will not cheapen the end of TDK? Shut the hell up. Maybe he'll be on the run most of 3 while battling the forces of evil. Hell, maybe they'll frame the Joker and his stooges for the Two-face killings.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    My dear DennisMM

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Might I also add that Robin was introduced in order to help bring out Batman's humanity? By taking in an orphan of murdered parents, Wayne found a way to reconnect with the shit scared kid he used to be and found the humanity of himself again.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Most of you are out of your fucking minds

    by WickedJester

    Pointless sequel?<br><br>Please. Did you think they were going to STOP making Batman movies?<br><br>Some of you want to see a Ledger impersonator?<br><br>Probably the same people that hate remakes?<br><br>Suddenly there's hate on TDK?<br><br>I give up on all of you

  • July 24, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    THEY ALREADY DID INTRODUCE ROBIN

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    He's the kid in Batman Bagins who lives in the Narrows who Batman gave his BatBinoculars to. His Mom even calls him Jason.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Robin was also his Watson

    by Continentalop

    Bill Fingers, Bob Kane and Robinson all mention that in interviews. It was someone Batman could use as a sounding board because he was much more of a detective character back then.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Cobra

    by Continentalop

    Lot of nuts on this site the last couple of days. I blame the Commies.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I think Nolan's films have made Alfred a more central figure, thus resulting in HIM being the Watson character. And that's not a bad thing. Caine does a good job of it and it's good to see more of an on-screen relationship between those two characters. I never felt Alfred to be a background character as he's certainly not in the majority of the comics.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Catwoman does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I think the smart money has to be on Catwoman being the main support player in the third film.<p> Why? Simply because Bale needs a love interest and Nolan conveniently killed off Rachel in the last flick.<p> If you want a second reason then Catwoman is (after the joker) the most recognisable character from the mythos for the masses.<p> Anyone care to bet against this prediction?

  • July 24, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    zombie.....

    by Righteous Brother

    because he was already a hard bastard before Ras Al Ghul trained him. Do you think Ras Al Ghul would just pick some random stranger to train? Bruce Wayne was already fully schooled in martial arts - they even have a fight in the dojo where Bruce Wayne and Ras square up to each other and Wayne's using various different martial arts techniques. Ras Al Ghul just trains him to be more deadly.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Lamerz

    by Ribbons

    "You complete and utter idiot." Wow, glad your mom taught you how to disagree like an adult. Framing the Joker doesn't cheapen the end how, exactly? The whole point is that neither of those solutions actually fixes what's wrong with Gotham, so why do we need to see a movie that just puts the story back where it was at the end of Batman Begins? Any attempt at closure would be disingenuous and a waste of time, yet this fallacy of Nolan having to "complete the trilogy" continues to persist.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Reasons for Robin

    by DennisMM

    Gentleman, you are all correct. Thank you for adding to the list.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    No I agree Darth_Tarantino

    by Continentalop

    Caine has filled in that role. He is both an advisor and a sounding board for Wayne (he actually seems to be the brains behind the two at times). <P> And I personally don't think Robin would work in Nolan's Batman universe. It wouldn't bother me if he didn't use him - it also wouldn't bother me if he had Bruce Wayne start mentoring a 10-year old boy who's parents are murdered. If anything, Robin is Batman's apprentice. Batman saw a lot of himself in young Dick Grayson.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Did you hear... miley cyrus is trying to get the batgirl role

    by kendragon

    Apparently she showed up in a batgirl outfit... I sincerely hope that Nolan tells her to shove it up her spoiled brat ass.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by Ribbons

    Who said I hated TDK? I love TDK. As for the "pointless sequel" thing, I'm not naive. I know there's going to be another Batman movie sometime soon. That doesn't mean I like the idea. But anything's possible, I guess.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Darth Tarantino

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Well, yeah, that would be the obvious, if unrealistic assumption. I know he says the "you're practice" line, I guess I just don't buy it that Bale could kick the shit out of ten guys all at once just from skill he taught himself. I would've like to have seen maybe because his parents were killed he took fighting lessons all while growing up and going to school and it's only when he fails to kill Joe Cool that he says, "Fuck it," and goes away til eventually jailed where we see him and then it would make morse sense.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by WickedJester

    Was lumping every silly post together, sorry I didn't seperate them.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I bet they tone down the voice

    by BizarroJerry

    The most common single criticism, even for those who liked TDK, was Bale's crazy gravelly voice. I bet they react to that fact.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Adam Sandler in a fat suit for King Tut

    by ricarleite2

  • July 24, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Continentalop...again!

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Agreed. That's where the previous on-screen portrayals of Robin have failed - he's supposed to be this 12 year old kid who's bloody angry and wants revenge and Batman has to mentor him. 'Dark Victory' is my favourite interpretation of their relationship and that's how any on-screen version would need to be. Batman is the master and Robin the apprentice. They're not partners in crime fighting from the get-go.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    The next story line is

    by welsh12uk

    a re-interpretation of "Deliverance" using the Batman characters. That's what "those guys" are sayin

  • July 24, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    ZombieHeathLedger

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Whilst we don't ever see it on-screen, your explanation there is pretty much how I've always interpreted Batman Begins anyway. So I think you've just filled in the blanks for yourself mate :D

  • July 24, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Cobra

    by Continentalop

    Yeah, Catwoman is a good bet. Personally, I would love to see The Penguin get the Nolan treatment because the character has been getting the shaft for over three decades now. Somehow the cheesy/corny Cesar Romero style Joker can be forgotten and he can be looked at as a "serious" villain but the Penguin can't shed off Burgess Meradith's interpretation nor the silliness that has been added to the character? Fuck that. The Penguin is Batman's most under appreciated foe and his most believable.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Bruce's fighting experience

    by DennisMM

    When Bruce returns to Gotham City he is supposed to have been presumed dead for seven years - allowing Alfred to inherit all his holdings, if I recall. My immediate thoughts were that before he fell in with Ducard he had wandered the world becoming a brawler and a badass. More traditional comics lore has him spending 10 or more years abroad in both academic and physical studies.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Bruce is too young for Robin...

    by WickedJester

  • July 24, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Agreed 100%. Bruce has to be older, more bitter, more alone.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Conti, casting Catwoman...<p> Carrie Ann Moss who Nolan cast in MEMENTO could have been AMAZING. But... not sure how she's aged over the last years.<p> What about Rebecca Hall, the dark-haired girl from FROST/NIXON and VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA?

  • July 24, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Riddler - lame; Catwoman, I get, but lame; Penguin - lame

    by finky089

    Like the clayface idea, though. Harley Quinn could be an interesting way to continue capitalizing on the Joker charatcer, but she's not a strong enough charatcer to hold her own. You could have her and Catwoman and another villain, perhaps Clayface who takes the disguise as Joker for part of the film as he and Harley wreak some havoc, and Bats and Catwoman eventually have to team up to stop them. But that feels a little Batman Returns/Batman & Robin-ish.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Nolan - "I want you off the fucking set!"

    by performingmonkey

    Lol it would be fucking hilarious if Nolan went off on one with Bale on set as a joke. If he isn't happy with a take from Bale he could say 'we're done professionally' oh yes.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    "A BAT-BOMB?!"

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    "A BAT-BOMB?!"<br><br>"A BAT-BOMB?!"<br><br>"A BAT-BOMB?!"<br><br>"A BAT-BOMB?!"

  • July 24, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Hell I could have told you Oldman was wrong

    by IndyCollector

    And I'm not even there.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Catwoman...

    by godhelpus

    will be the next villian. They made hint of it in TDK. Angelina Jolie gets my vote, she's born for the role.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    godhelpus, what was the hint?

  • July 24, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Nick Stahl for The Joker

    by Inconvenient

    I'm just saying. Unless they do a bullshit extra dressed as him like Scarecrow in TDK (though I know that was actually Cillian Murphy). Or a real quick line like "The Joker's in Arkham" that a writer gets paid 2 million for writing

  • July 24, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Catwoman...

    by godhelpus

    will be the next villian. They hinted at it in TDK. But what do I care, I didn't care for the last one.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Cobra, I have thrown away my casting director hat

    by Continentalop

    I find it so hard to try and cast superhero movies nowadays I just basically let other people do it. <p> BUT I do still have my CASTING COUCH. Bring this Rebecca Hall around and I'll see if she is "right" for the part.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Look we all know Oldman was full of shit

    by Continentalop

    But we just like BSing about the next Batman film. Its a fun topic.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    my typing skills - lame

    by finky089

    actually, to Continentalop's point, if they came up with a whoel new take on Penguin, it could be interesting, because the charatcer has been made fairly 'boring" and with the way Nolan's Batman movies have been, having a beaky, tubby midget "wark-wark-warking his laughs throughout a movie without much fighting jus isn't goign to cut it. I don't know alot about other 'takes" on Penguin in the comics, but perhaps he could be treated as some kind of kidnapping, possibly murderous savage, who dresses in some kind of macbre tuxedo fatigues (which are ripped, dirty and blood stained) and he's not only a doughball of a man, but mildly mishapen in the face with long, but pudgy features (giving him some kind of bird like appearance)? I don't know, but Nolan's Penguin would certainly have to be darker than any Penguin I think we've ever seen on a screen before.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Backpeddaling

    by IAmLegolas

    saw that coming, but I wanted 30 minutes of ignorant glee anyway.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    godhelpus, Catwoman reference in TDK? Where?

    by finky089

    don't remember..but then, i only saw it once.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Darth

    by WickedJester

    Robin would seem to fit better into maybe the next director's trilogy.<br><br>I'm all for them telling an entirely different arc in another trilogy with a new director and different cast.<br><br>You want Bruce to be older and start thinking he should've had a family and then he meets Grayson and sees he might be able to save him from the same path.. I'm all for it.<br><br>Don't just paperclip him to this arc for the sake of selling toys (I'm looking at you Schumacher).

  • July 24, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Just, please, no Robin. The best actor for Robin is nobody

    by finky089

    he doesn't need to bein involved in a third Batman film. There are plenty of other Batman-centric stories to tell that don't involve the lil "junior birdman."

  • July 24, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Batman does not need a love interest

    by Series7

    The love interest in all the movies have always been the weakest part of the movie. Batman just bangs chicks, he doesn't love'em.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Should do well against cats.

    by godhelpus

    Morgan Freeman.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Riddle me this?

    by dulbeat

    Why do another movie?! I loved the Dark Knight, but it's a stand alone film. Seeing how hard third movies always suck, I can't see much light at the end of the tunnel here. Movies should not be made out of studio pressure, they should be an artistic choice, especially with a well crafted story like Nolan's Batman flicks.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Damn! Backpedal!!

    by Righteous Brother

    Isn't the catwoman reference when Lucious Fox says, when talking about the armour 'It will protect you from cats' I don't think he's talking about the musical.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    dulbeat

    by Darth_Tarantino

    You're in luck. Nolan has said he will only make a 3rd film if he and Jonah can come up with a well crafted story. And WB desperately want Nolan on-board for a 3rd film. So right now it all lies in the hands of Mr Nolan.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    "new" take on Penguin

    by DennisMM

    I'm perfectly happy with some variation on the current Penguin. You've got a guy who was pushed around as a youth and developed violent tendencies as a result. He puts his brains to work as a wheeler and dealer within the underworld, to the point where he becomes an invisible power behind the obvious gangsters. It would be more psychological and less physical in nature. His thugs would do the strong arm work. Heck, even the obvious gangsters could be doing his bidding, without knowing it.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    miley cyrus is trying to get the batgirl role

    by Series7

    Though thats probably not true. Hopefully its not, because she'll probably get it. The girl in Bolt her voice work was already done then Miley signed on and redid the whole thing. <P> Miley = Little girl money. Hopefully this will take 2-3 year to make, but then Miley will be like Lohan begging for anything and turning down smart roles.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    forget the joker, use scarecrow, catwoman and penguinj

    by Darth_BeerFart

    forget the joker for now, any actor would be just compared to heath and it would detract from the movie. I'd say bump scarcrow up to main villain (TDK seemed to be blatently telling us he was still around) have him teaming up with the new crime boss (the pengiun) as they try and re indroduce crime to gotham and play upon the citizens being afraid of batman after he "killed" Harvey Dent<P>as a side plot as well as to fill the female lead/romance angle, introduce catwoman and selina kyle into bruce/batman's life to stir things up. <P>i would also set themovie in winter (the snow fall would be an added change to the environment) and even though fanboys would scream crys of burtan rip off i would set the movie around x-mas, even going as far as for WB to release the movie in december instead of as a summer tentpole

  • July 24, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Mr.FTW

    Nolan has said no to Robin, what makes you think he'd say yes to Batgirl?

  • July 24, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    The Penguin

    by Continentalop

    All I am saying about the character is that Nolan and co. could go the same route they did with the Joker - go back and look at the source material, his first two or three appearances. I think there is enough there for Nolan to come up with something inspired.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Darth_BeerFart

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Don't we run the risk in that situation of too many characters?

  • July 24, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Catwoman...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...is damaged goods after the Halle Berry shit squirter. No, who ever takes on the next film, needs to take another obscure villain like Ras, and make him/her his own. As for Robin, well he's the poster boy for pederast cos play. Just like the invention of the Boy Scouts, he's only there for the old men to drool over. Excelsior faggots!

  • July 24, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Selina would be good

    by DennisMM

    I'd like to see her handled Miller-style. She's a bit out of her head, which is why she's fascinated with Batman and makes a costume/has a costume made. Also, she's a dominatrix hooker. Can't forget that part.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVED THIS SHIT?

    by Mullah Omar

    Looked like wishful speculation from the outset.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Mr.FTW

    by Series7

    I'm just theroizing. And pointing out Miley's star power. Granted Bolt was with Disney who ownes Miley's soul. So they may have told her to do it since Travolta was not a big enough name for the movie and the other little girl was a nobody.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Nolan wouldn't succumb to signing Miley Cyrus

    by Righteous Brother

    He hires actors, not flash in the pan media fodder.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Miley Cyrus...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...is the next L.Lohan. Right? Dumb broad with a ton of cash, and a really high opinion of her abilities. Miley, no offense, but fuck you.

  • July 24, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Recast the Joker completely

    by ebonic_plague

    Maybe not for the next film, as there are plenty of adversaries in Batman's rogues gallery from which to choose, but when they decide to bring back the Joker, I say recast it entirely. And not with a Ledger impersonator (sorry, Joker Gordon Levitt). Give the role to another actor to reinvent it again. Romero had his shot, as did Nicholson, as did Ledger... why stop there? We're on our fifth Batman, and audiences haven't been turned off by the recasting. TDK had what almost everyone sees as an improvement by recasting Gyllenhaal as Rachel. Comic book fans are used to a different (often radically so) interpretation of the characters in Batman every time a new writer/artist comes along. Joker is one of those characters that changes in every incarnation. We all want Ledger back, but that ain't gonna happen. Why insist on what would essentially be a xerox copy of the same performance? Wait an installment, then recast the role with a new actor and a new spin on the character, but one that still works in Nolan's Batman universe. Forget this notion of recreating Ledger's performance with a new actor. That has fail written all over it. <p> And recast Scarecrow as someone else besides Cillian Murphy, while you're at it.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Ventriloquist

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    The Ventriloquist. I'm just saying, it would be a helluva fucking mountain to climb to make that guy a scary, nasty ass villain, but if they succeded...

  • July 24, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    BS

    by childerolandusa

    The guy who wrote this up at io9 says he sat next to a Warners rep who said she had no idea what Oldman was talking about.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague - totally agree

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Ledger's performance as The Joker was perfection, exactly how I'd always pictured the character being from reading the comics. But with him gone, any future Joker should involve a new interpretation of the character. That being said, I'd prefer it not to be the next Batman film. My hope is that Nolan will do one more and that will be HIS Batman trilogy. Then turn it over to a new director to create a different trilogy, but one that doesn't involve restarting the characters. Just have Joker escape from Arkham.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Robin Hint In Batman Begins & Catwoman Hint

    by Spooge McDuck

    I totally missed the setup for Robin in Batman Begins but it makes perfect sense! The one in TDK I'm not sure about, but what most people think is a hint is when Bruce asks if the new suit will protect him from dogs and Fox answers, "Maybe cats." I don't think that's necessarily a hint, just a line saying the suit wasn't a suit of armor. I'm going to have to rewatch Batman Begins for the Robin reference, man, if it IS going to be Jason Todd, I'm more excited than ever about the next movie and my respect for Nolan goes off the chart!

  • July 24, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The villin in this one will be shane hurlbut

    by ThePilgrim

    The Amature Light Tweaker... He fuck with the bat signal one to many times. <P>For fuck sakes man. You want me to trash your lights!!!! Ohhhhhh good for you!!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?

    by SmokingRobot

    I just wanted to say that.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Darth_Tarantino

    by Darth_BeerFart

    i think most superhero movies would run into the too many characters scenario, but honestly The Nolan bros are capable of writing a multi-layed script that can fit in several characters and arcs. I mean for example a Batman 3 that contained scarcrow and penguin as the villans as well as catwoman as a minor villan/romance is really no different from TDK with its 2 villans and rachel romance plot

  • July 24, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Darth_BeerFart

    by Darth_Tarantino

    True enough. They managed pretty damn well with TDK. You understand my concerns, I'm sure - last thing we want is Spiderman 3 syndrome to strike The Nolan Bros.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    ELLEN PAGE FOR HARLEY QUINN

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    boy i cant wait to saee the responses for this

  • July 24, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Set up for Robin in BB?

    by Righteous Brother

    Where?? Oh and the ventriloquist would be awesome.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    SpoogeMcFuck(duck)..Robin...

    by mattforce7

    NO ONE WANTS TO SEE FAG ASS ROBIN, HE IS DEAD IN THIS BATMAN UNIVERSE

  • July 24, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I always remember...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...New Yorker movie critic David Denby saying that TDK 'feels rushed and far too long'. Still gives me a chuckle :P

  • July 24, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Righteous...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    The Ventriloquist could be a sick, scary fuck in the Nolan'verse.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Warner's told him shoosh.

    by hallmitchell

    Yet i thought Chris Nolan was helming a sci fi film. Maybe he is guessing.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Escalation to...escalators?

    by Darth_Tarantino

    The theme for Batman Begins was 'fear'. The theme for The Dark Knight was 'escalation'. So what should the theme for Batman 3 be?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Guys, have you watched the last 2 BATMAN movies?

    by YackBacker

    There are no spandex characters. This TB is filled with wonderful casting ideas for a series that doesn't exist right now. Some of these characters will never appear in a Nolan film either. And despite my belief that Robin could work as a character, he's not going to show up, Nolan has said as much. Riddler may happen though, minus the branding "?" all over his body. He could be a serial killer or something, I think...

  • July 24, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...could be the voice of Batman's sassy, animated codpiece/side kick.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I think Gary Oldman is Loco

    by mitortilla

  • July 24, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    mitortilla

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Has Oldman recently been spotted in Acapulco? This would be the definitive proof.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Catwoman is not damaged goods after the Halle Berry turkey - because no one saw it (including me).<p> Actually Michelle Pfieffer's Catwoman lounging sideways on the sofa is probably the most iconic image from Tim Burton's days on the franchise - even more so than Batman himself.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    A couple of things...

    by DoctorWho?

    First...<p> Oldman was the greatest Dracula EVER! I can see some not caring for Coppola's vision of the film but Oldman NAILED IT. Vlad the Impaler! The opening scene of that film... a late showing in an eerily deserted Chinese Theatre is one of the greatest things I ever witnessed on film.<p> Second... The poster who said Daniel Radcliffe would make a great Robin in the next Nolan film made me spit out my root beer all over my monitor. He stated that he was "Rockin' hard" in these Potter films. Yeah...rockin hard in Harry Potter compared to Dark Knight is like saying 'N Sync is rockin hard compared to Slayer.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Catwoman....

    by Darth_Tarantino

    With Rachel dead, I struggle to see what motivation Bruce would have for pursuing a romantic relationship with anyone. He believed this woman to be the love of his life - so blinded by his love for her that he even thought she was willing to wait for him! Emotionally scarred by the events of TDK, I don't see Catwoman coming into the picture being much of a pick-me-up for Bruce right now.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Please no more Batman movies.

    by disfigurehead

    How can you top TDK's box office?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    How can you top TDK's Box office?<p> Angelina Jolie as Catwoman.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    you don't have to top the box office..

    by Righteous Brother

    just make another fantastic film. If Batman 3 made half the money TDK made it would still be a massive block buster.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Box office is not...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...what made TDK great. So why should box office have anything to do with The Nolan Bros making another great Batman movie?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    A Nolan Penguin crime lord would own your asses.

    by Uncle Stan

  • July 24, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    And Julie Newmar to play Aunt Harriet.

    by Uncle Stan

  • July 24, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...is more grotesque to look at than The Joker.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Get Jeff Dunham for Scarface

    by Geomancer21

    You know you want it.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Fuck stunt casting...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...Angelina Jolie as catwoman? Nay! NAY I SAYS! Cloris Leachman as Qrazy Quilt, and Earl Hindman's ( The fence guy from Home Improvement) corpse as The Buttfucker. This movie=box office gold.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    If we HAD to go the Catwoman route...which I'd prefer not to with Nolan's Batmovies...I'd opt for someone like Tilda Swinton. Dye her hair black and let her bring the crazy. She'd nail it, I'm telling you. Selina Kyle has to be ever so slightly 'not quite right in the head', as she is in the comics. That's what attracts her to Batman - the danger. The mystery. The...leather?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Rocks

    by TheronNeel

    Gary Oldman is amazing, but he's not much of a backpeddler.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Jeff Dunham

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Hell, If that guy could come up with the right kind of creepy voice, why not? Or better yet, get some frumpy fat ass like Pig Vomit to play the guy and just dub in some fucked up voice ala Darth Vader.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Reasons why the villain will be Penguin, Riddler or Catwoman

    by Continentalop

    Name recognition and box office. BB was profitable, but not nearly as profitable as you think (it made less in the BO than Superman Returns). One of the reasons was it didn't have a "name" villain for Batman to fight, an opponent that would draw in an audience. <p> JOKER is that type of villain. He is instantly recognizable to the majority of the movie going audience, unlike Ra's Al Ghul or Scarecrow. And while they might not be as popular as the Joker, Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin are his next most famous villains. Comic fans might go nuts for Harley Quin, Clayface, Black Mask or the Ventriliquist, but the average movie fan could care less about them. And with the potential to make another big mega-hit the studios will push for a name-recognizable villain. <p> Personally, I want to see 10-Eyed Man and Crazy Quilt.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Brring on Bat-Mite!

    by wampa_one

    Time is gonna tell...

  • July 24, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    part 3 should acknowledge the larger DC universe!

    by darthwaz1

  • July 24, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Continentalop - you have a point there

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Which is why I remain convinced that The Riddler will be Nolan's target if he does indeed make another Batman movie. I can personally see Riddler working as an outside source roped in by Gotham PD to help hunt down and identify the Batman. Gordon has to reluctantly go along with it, natch.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    part 3 should acknowledge the larger DC universe!

    by darthwaz1

    very important- even in small doses. A blurry hand-cam clip of superman on the news, a mention of Hal Jordan or Lexcorp, something to that effect. FANS WANT TO SEE THIS KINDA STUFF!!

  • July 24, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    additional...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Obviously The Riddler has his own agenda other than helping the Gotham PD. Murders on the side and frames Batman for them perhaps?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Coin..

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Tell me, outside the fanboy universe, who in mainstream america knew who the fuck Ras Al Guhl was? If you're being honest, no one. TDK gave us all the "brand Name" villains worth a damn, now lets go back to the well, and get creative again with some B-listers

  • July 24, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    darthwaz1

    by Darth_Tarantino

    It's simpler even than that. Just have Wayne Enterprises being in the negotiation stages of a new deal with Lexcorp. Doesn't need more than 2 minutes screentime and does the job of acknowledging the wider DC universe. Problem solved!

  • July 24, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    darthwaz1, Nolan doesn't care about the DC fans

    by Continentalop

    Which is why his movie's are successful. And I don't mean to make that sound "dickish" but it is the truth - his Batman is his vision, not anyone else's. He doesn't want his Batman Universe to have anything to do with the DC Universe and doesn't want it to feel comic bookish. He is trying to present a "realistic" Batman, and has gone out of his way to avoid anything with magic (no Lazarus Pit) or super-powers.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Riddler...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ... could just come off as a limp Joker clone. I see the Riddler as obssesive compulsive, meticulous and hyper clean. Or, as a cock hungry drag queen.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    You want a villain?!

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Jervis Tetch. Borderline personality disorder. Prone to hallucinatory behaviour coupled with psychotic episodes. Has served previous time for child abduction. Fixated by the works of Lewis Carroll. Calls himself 'The Hatter'.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Name recognition and box office are the same reasons why BATMAN 3 with Angelina Jolie as Catwoman could outgross even TDK.<p> An iconic part played by an iconic actress... that'd sell to the masses (male and female demographics) in Rio, in Singapore, in Nairobi, in Prague, in Seoul, wherever... BIG INTERNATIONAL BUCKS.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    FIsting, I am confused

    by Continentalop

    I said that no one knew who Ra's al Ghul was. That is one of the reasons why BB was not as big at the box office as TDK, or even Superman Returns. Batman only has four villains with big name recognition, like it or not. <p> Or where you saying something else?

  • July 24, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Tarantino-

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    That could be a nicely fucked up movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Fisting_Nell_Carter

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I agree with your first interpretation of The Riddler. Which is why I think he'd be perfect as the guy framing Batman for murders whilst simultaneously helping the police to catch Batman. He's OCD - has to have control over every aspect of things. Joker was all about creating anarchy and bringing Batman 'down to his level'. Riddler would be all about controlling Batman, having power over him and organising every beat of the action that unfolds down to the smallest detail.

  • July 24, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Coin

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    I uh, honestly didn't finish reading your post. Sorry. as a wise doctor once said "Look at me, I'm stupid!"

  • July 24, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    If Nolan doesn't care about fans, then that's a problem..

    by darthwaz1

    seriously, Batman is what it is only because of fans. showing us a tiny bit of the overall DC stuff would be great, and we don't know for sure whether or not Ra's was immortal.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I don't think it will be Angelina

    by Continentalop

    I just don't think I can see her in Nolan's universe - she is to big of star, brings to much baggage in a way. <p> I could be wrong though. <p>

  • July 24, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Then again...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...if Batman 3 does turn out to be a 'Hunt The Dark Knight' kinda thing, where the Gotham PD are basically scouring the city for Batman, maybe they'll hire extra help in the form of Floyd Lawton ;)

  • July 24, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    The ultimate Plot!

    by ThePilgrim

    Robin is a deranged fan of Batman and a wannabe crime fighter. Robin listens to a police band radio in his car, at work, and at home. He calls himself the Gray. He goes out and fights crime his way. Get what you give is his moral. He kills bad guys. This is immoral to Batman's code and it prevents Robin/Grey from being a tride and true hero like Batman. When him and Batman finally meet. Batman tells him that they are not the same that Robin is scum just like them. Robin tells Batman that it doesn't make sense because batman killed all those corrupt characters (Dark Knight). Batman says you can't believe everything you hear. Batman subdues Robin, and leaves him there for the police. Robin is given a life sentence despite his sob backstory about his Gotham beloved firefighter father who was killed after catching a mobster in an arsonist act. <P> Robin is raped and beaten in jail repeatedly. He finally kills his roommate. They place robin into isolation. The guy in the cell next to him referred to as the John. His body is covered in cryptic tattoos, he has no fingerprints and his face is cosmetically removed into a blank state. the John tells Robin to call him Mr. E. <P> Mr. E promise to help Robin get revenge on Batman - They stage a plan and together they break out of jail. Robin Starts spying on Gordon. He catches a chance meeting between Gordon and Batman. Robin figures out pretty quick that out this whole Batman ruthless criminal killing vigilante shit is a rouse. He about to attack them both, the Riddler appears behind him and tell him he has it on tape. The time to strike is not at hand. They have to wait for his boss first. The Riddler's sends some of his thugs to dig up Harvey Dents grave. It's empty. <P> Harley Quinn enters the game she arrives at the Arkum Asylum. she is dressed as a nurse. She pulls of a really twisted attack and frees the joker. She tells him the Riddler and his new pet have enough shit to make for the greatest game Gotham's eve seen. <P> <P> Nolan can think up the rest, but basically you get two new villains Harley (Angela Trimbur) and the Riddler. A confused hero who loses his way- Robin (I'd hire that kid that played Kyle from Terminator Salvation). The joker's back out. (Gordon Levitt) <P> A viral campaign is launched by the Riddler the clues will lead to bombs before they blow up. Mr. E gives himself up at the halfway mark- Think Seven. He tell Gordon that Gotham's salvation is skin deep (he doen't say it that way- Gordon figures it out) The Ridder kills himself after he delivers this message. the Riddler uses a metal spike he hide under the skin in his leg to stab himself in the chest. <P> After Gordon figures out that the message meant his skin. He and Batman examine his tattooed body to try to save Gotham it gives up clue to the events that will play out but they are difficult to solve- it seems like batman and the Police are always too late. <P> Near the end- the city turn on the police. Batman tries to stop it. The joker find out Batmans true identity. Robin has a change of heart once he realizes whats really happening and who batman really is. He tries to stop the Joker. The Joker kills him. The Joker provides batmans true identity to all of Gotham. Gotham attacks Bruce's house. They find two face in the batcave in an self induced coma. Batman/Bruce always planned to resurrect him after he could repair his face.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    It's gonna take that long because...

    by DC Films

    Nolan's getting involved in the next Bond movie first... I hope!

  • July 24, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Agree 100% with Darth_Tarantino

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

    Darth_Tarantino's suggestion of someone like Tilda Swinton being cast as Catwoman is inspired!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Cheers Jeff

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I just think it needs to be someone....unusually attractive. And who has the acting chops too, more importantly. As far as I'm concerned, Angelina Jolie is neither attractive nor can she act.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    darthwaz U crazy

    by vetepalapinga

    the fans? The DC fans made TDK a huge hit? Get the fuck outta here.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    DISCLAIMER

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I am neither attractive nor capable of acting either. So Miss Jolie and I have much in common :D

  • July 24, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    DEADSHOT!

    by TedKordLives

    Originally, his schtick was that he was pretending to be a hero, but secretly committing crimes. I think that arc could be utilised to great effect for the third movie. You know, a statement about identity, or some such shit.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    As I already said, Ted...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...Floyd Lawton would not be a bad choice ;)

  • July 24, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Conti-

    by TedKordLives

    I heard you burned your Casting Hat, but who out there could bring the Floyd? I really cannot think of a age-appropriate dude to rock the 'stache.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    WARNERS!!!!!

    by jump4823

    Oldman was repremanded

  • July 24, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I like the Jackie Earle Haley idea

    by kafka07

    why didn't I think of that? He'd make a good scrawny Riddler.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Now it's "kewl" to bash Christian Bale?

    by AsimovLives

    When did this fucking bullshit started, anyway? What kind of bullshit is this, any way? It's now "kewl" to hate very talented actors who take their job very seriosuly? You prefer that it had been Paul Walker or Aston Kutcher as Bruce Wayne/Batman since the begining, is that it? Which actually got this close to happen, had not Nolan vetoed those nonsense bulslhit. I bet this geeks would prefer twose two masterclass of acting thespains instead of Christian "suck" Bale, wouldn't you? Fucking ingrates, this what they are, this bunch of fashionable contrarian "kewls" are. Fucking amateurs! Who the fuck can understand this minds, anyway?

  • July 24, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Darth_Tarantino

    by TedKordLives

    Yeah, I was seconding you. Hope you don't think I was stepping on your toes. But the idea of a villain pretending to be a hero does lend itself to the first two movies themes, does it not?

  • July 24, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Sucked

    by Media Messiah

    Batman Begins was much better, but that, like Dark Knight, was boring, but at least it had a well written, and complete, story. Dark Knight was all cut and paste, and failed to open-up Bruce Wayne as a character, while failing to show us the full body of the relationship of Rachel and Bruce's love relationship, that flaw alone undermined the impact of her death on Bruce Wayne and his Batman alter ego, and that weakened the film's plot overall. In addition, The Joker had no real scheme other than trying to prove Batman to be a hypocrite??? What a waste of a villian. Lastly, the plot addition of the Batman vigilante group was silly and took up too much screen time, and for no reason--it should have been just cut from the script. As, well, that trip to China should have been dumped. It was just a silly and was place in the movie to give Morgan Freeman more screen time...and all he did was climb stairs...run down stairs, and look around. They could have films all of it, in America or Canada, in any city...in less than a couple of hours??? Somebody apparently just wanted a free vacation to China at the expense of the film? The precious time wasted on these scenes, should have been spent focusing on Bruce, Rachel, and Harvey Dent and their love triangle. And speaking of Dent, that was more wasted screen time. He should not have become Two face, until after The Joker died...and we should have only seen Dent become Two Face at the end of the film as he first reveals himself...now that would have made a better script...and a better movie. Dark Knight as it stands, is a cut and pasted mess.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    OceanWang

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan is already shooting Inception. nolan works pretty quickly. It was a short time between him finish work on The prestige and start on The Dark knight. and who's to say there already is not pre-production being going on for Batman 3? Most of the pre-production work doen in movies like this are done outside of the world's eye, and Nolan is quite well known to favour secrecy while he's making a movie, be it in pre-production, shooting or post-production. Who's the say that pre-production on Batman 3 is not already very well underway?

  • July 24, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by AsimovLives

    Gary oldman's is the world's worst Dracula? Obviously you never saw Van Helsing, did you?

  • July 24, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Emily Blunt as Catwoman

    by ebonic_plague

    She's hot as hell, has acting chops, was a fan favorite for Black Widow (basically Marvel's Catwoman)... and she's British, which seems to give her the edge in being cast by Nolan. <p> My only rule for casting for this franchise would be: No tabloid celebrities! By the time they hit the tabloid rack at the grocery store, they're too recognizable to be anything but Big Star Doing Cosplay. So no Angelina, no Miley, no Katherine Heigl... nobody who would appear on E! network.

  • July 24, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder's Batman

    by AsimovLives

    Run for the fucking hills!!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by ebonic_plague

    I now have a better idea of why you're an aspiring screenwriter, and not a screenwriter.

  • in any Batman movie they ever make"<br><br>Thanks fucking god for that! Fucking Allelulia. This is why Nolan rules the Earth! Well done Mr Nolan, well done! robin belongs to a Schumaker Batman movie, not a Nolan movie, aka, a proper Batman movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Michael Cera as Robin...

    by BurnHollywood

    Christine Ricci as Harley Quinn, Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin, Steve Buscemi as The Ventriloquist and Jolie as Catwoman (VERY attractive, can act).<p> Batman's on the outs, mob war between Penguin and Ventriloquist tearing Gotham to pieces, and Harley's a sadistic Joker groupie working as a therapist by day, mob enforcer for The Penguin at night. Kid named Dick Grayson is acting as Batman's relay between himself and James Gordon, while in the underworld, Catwoman is his informant on the mob situation.<p> Rest of the movie writes itself.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Christopher Nolan got this close to have The Pinguin in The Dark knight. There was even a casting going on, and the actor chosen for the role was nonother Bob Hoskins. but eventually, the nolans decided there was already too many characters in The Dark Knight, so they cut out The Pinguin altogether. In their version, The Pinguin was a highly place mobster, a sort of Don Corleone figure. If the Nolans decide to bring the Pinguin for the 3rd movie, expect something among those lines for that character.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    If you get your Bat-news from this site...

    by Logan_1973

    the last update still had them in the early scripting stages. With pre-production, set design/construction/dressing, casting etc...I think shooting next year is a stretch.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    We have had our disagreements before, but man, Emily blunt as Catwoman is so on the money! Perfect. My choice exactly as well, and for al the reason you said, she is hot beyond belief and she is a very good actress to booth. and this notion is not that far fetched as you migth thing. Nolan almost got this close to cast her as Rachael Dawes for Batman Begins, but the studio vetoed it and forced Katie Holmes on him. i guess that was one battle he decided not to fight. Beside,s back in 2004/2005 Blunt was not a name yet. Now she is. And she would be dead perfect as Catwoman. Accept no substitutes!

  • July 24, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Why would Oldman...

    by MajorFrontbum

    ...waste his time on senseless fanboy rubbish like Batman? He's an exceptionally talented actor and placing him in a role in a Batman film, is like asking Leonardo Da Vinci to paint a trash can, with ball point pen.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Logan_1973

    by AsimovLives

    You know what i think? I have no evidence of this whatsoever, but this is what i suspect: that pre-production has began on Batman 3 since the first screenings of The Dark Knight happened. The Dark Knight is one of the very few movies where the studio went completly ballistic about the movie, and begged Nolan to not change a frame from it. im completly convinced that the moent the studio suits saw The Dark Knight in a early screening, the next thing they did was to kick-start pre-porduction oft he 3rd movie. I also believe there«'s been going on a lot of smoke screen thrown in about the will he-will he not deal about Nolan returning to the next Batman movie. Of course he will, and of course he wants. They are just playing misdirection to keep things under a veil of secrecy, as they should.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Eh, not really.

    by Toilet_Terror

    It's offering a well-paid job to a great actor. Oldman gotta eat.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Catwoman makes sense in the Nolanverse.

    by AsimovLives

    Catwoman could be used as a mirror image to Bruce Wayne. While Bruce Waybe had strong moral compases in his life that averted him to became a revenge vigilante (and he also had quite some luck to help him avoid going that path too), Catwoman would be soembody who had not such luck. so, Catmwoman would became the very thing that Batmn tries to avoid, a man whose soul is consumed by hatred and an undying thrist of vengence, which will never be satisfied. Catwoman could be a Bruice Wayne gone bad, an unhinged and uncontroled Bruce Wayne, a creature of pure emotions and little intelelcto to guide her basic inpulses and actions, a human beign who would be like a human version of a cat, a deadly predator with little consideration for the safety and wellbeing of anybody else in her quest to fullfil her basic instinct needs.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Before you put Oldman on a pedestal, remember...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    he did Air Force One, and Harry Potter for fucks sake. I'm not saying he's bad, he's great, but he's not below doing mainstream movies.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    My favorite rumor

    by Bass Ackwards

    And one that fits in Nolan's Bat-verse is Rachel Weisz as Talia, but regardless. ALL Batnews is meaningless until we get that first spark of substance from Nolan. Until he says something about it being solid and rolling or him being off of it or anything at all, every other piece of news we hear isn't worth a damn.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Nolan & Bale

    by Andillformthehead

    I think we should be grateful that a talented writer and director like Chris Nolan as well as his brother (please keep Goyer away)and a talented actor like Christian Bale are working on these films. This is a major coup for genre films and the fact that Dark Knight was in the running for best picture (in the minds of many critics and laypeople) speaks for itself. Considering it could have been Ratner and a twenty-something actor with no gravitas (and balls) we should be pleased a little more no? Also I can wait 4 or 5 years if need be.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    "but he's not below doing mainstream movies."

    by Toilet_Terror

    Love that.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    MajorFrontbum

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Perhaps it's because Gordon is a good role with lots to explore. Perhaps it's because Oldman just nails the character perfectly. Perhaps Oldman is actually a fan of the comic books. Who knows? Whatever the reason, I'd rather have 'proper actors' in my Batman movies, thanks all the same. Oldman stays.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I Missed It Too, But Seeds Were Planted For Jason Todd As Robin

    by Red Lantern

    It's possible that the character could still be Dick Grayson, but with a change in origin, but Jason Todd as Robin DOES make the series more dramatic and Batman Begins seems to be playing up the Jason Todd origin, the same way TDK introduced Barbara Gordon. It's too early for Batgirl yet, because of the age and the amount of time that will have passed between movies, bute perfect for Robin. I'm just kicking myself for missing this, Nolan is a genius, he's been planning things since the very first movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    It must be really hard deciding who to use next.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    You can't top The Joker at this point, and without Heath (though I totally support another actor bring their own vision to the part), Nolan is probably weary of bringing him back. I always thought Martin Short, if he could bring some Robin Williams type creepiness, would be a good Mad Hatter. Croc isn't cerebral enough. I've also been a huge supporter of a Bane-done-right story line, and who better than The Rock? (If he actually decided to do some legit acting for the part). Jude Law would be a fantastic RIDDLER. Ben Kingsley as The VENTRILOQUIST, MR FREEZE, or the CLOCK KING. Or Patrick Stewart as the VENTRILOQUIST, the CLOCK KING, or MR FREEZE (the best Mr Freeze was the deathly serious one from the Animated Series, and Stewart would be perfect for that). Andy Serkis would be a good PENGUIN. Will Arnett for CLAYFACE. If we're really reaching for characters, Brad Pitt as HUSH. Or how about Sylvester Stallone maybe for Bane?

  • July 24, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Let's see his Batcave in Wayne Manor.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    For fucks sake.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Robin does not exist in this dojo

    by Logan_1973

    That character would stick out like a sore thumb in the Nolanverse and you all know it.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck Robin

    by ebonic_plague

    I can't stress that enough. I'd rather have "BAM! POW! ZAP!" appear onscreen than Robin.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    No Robin

    by Andillformthehead

    If they were brave enough to "kill" or perhaps main Batman perhaps a ward character to lead up a "Sons of the Batman" sort of thing then maybe. But please no Robin or Batfamily of any kind. Have Alfred drive the tumbler on occasion but that's about it.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Carla Gugino as Catwoman!

    by Logan_1973

    She had me forever after SIN CITY.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    scriptgirl_nipples...

    by Andillformthehead

    They're rebuilding. Could have to tumbler drive by the construction site lol.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Title For Batman 3

    by Diana Rules!

    Batman out of Hell.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Curious, do you guys hate Dick Grayson or just Robin?

    by Continentalop

    Not saying either should be in Nolan's series (like he listens to me anyways) but would it bother you having a young boy whose parents are murdered became Bruce Wayne's apprentice, or you would that bother you as well? Just curious.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Martin Short

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ..can lick me' nutsack.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I should add

    by Continentalop

    ...BUT he never puts on a costume, just studies under him...

  • July 24, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    "he's not below doing mainstream movies"

    by AsimovLives

    The man's gotta eat, and those bills don't pay for themselves.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I don't hate Robin

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I'm just wary that he works better in the comic book universe. In Nolan's universe, yes they could acheive a good Robin characterisation. But it would be difficult and perhaps not in keeping with the tone of BB and TDK. Maybe better to wait until Nolan finishes the trilogy and the reigns are passed before we meet Dick Grayson.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Conti, I say no Robin, period.

    by ebonic_plague

    I'm not hung up on the different incarnations of Robin, but adding a pre-teen (or even adolescent) boy into the story to fight crime alongside Batman would absolutely and instantly kill the "realism" that Nolan has worked so hard to set up. It works in comics, but then, so does stuff like Stryfe and Warworld.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    cool ass motherfucker...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    that Gary Oldman is. Sure, let Warners give him an "earful." He can do whatever the fuck he wants. I hope in the next movie, we see Commissioner Gordon kick some ass.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I Should Add Meatloaf Should Be The Penguin

    by Diana Rules!

    And also do the soundtrack.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Andillformthehead

    see my post above...it could be Gordon's son If they were willing to kill off the Gordon character. To me that the only way the story works (or maybe the mom).

  • July 24, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    I hate both Dick Grayson and Robin. A robin-less Batman movies is proof of the genious of the Nolan Brothers and Bale. Keep it up, guys! This guys are into something alright!

  • July 24, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    by seansarto

    I was out in Hollywood, (pre-production DK...Remember it’s a sh*ty industry that will enthusiastically snub a great idea for personal reasons...and the franchises of select "people".), trying to sell The Joker, (prior to being the criminal "Joker") as a former employee at Wayne Chemicals who sees a bunch of bullies harassing the other employees, (physically pushing them around, knocking them out of chairs, etc) and then always laughing at their pain and humiliation. As a new , handsome employee with high morals and potential, The Joker decides to make a stand for the victims and does so by showing up the bullies. (He actualy starts out like the "do-gooder" that Batman is). This pisses the bullies off, (who are managers and connected to the upper brass at the plant) so they decide to pull a prank on the Joker for revenge and let him know "who's the boss"....The prank goes wrong and the chemical plant blows up disfiguring the Joker into his criminal visage...This makes the Joker pretty much an outcast in society...people laugh at his ruined face...and because of the bullies connections at the plant, the Joker receives no compensation or justice from Wayne industries...That would have set up the animosity between Batman and the Joker...plus it would have been his incentive for going mad...Taking pleasure out of other people's pain. I wanted Bruce Wayne to be liable for the Joker's criminal spree...and have to sort out how to act just, to face his own hypocrisy, knowing it was his wealth and industry that ruined what was a once a good man with a good heart's life. That being said I didn't think "Dark Knight" was that bad...But the motivation of the Joker was wrong, the screenwriters were playing on a very simplistic, holistic idea of "evil" that was prevalent in the media...and I didn't care much for that. In fact it is kinda sickening how Hollywood and the government are sharing their agendas these days. The look of "Two-Face" was spot on I thought...and Heath Ledger's performance was definitely a showcase...and game changer for him. Probably why he ended up suddenly dead, (though I thought the look of the Joker was basically a "Crow" rip-off...and very marketable as such.) Christian Bale looks so much like Tom Cruise that I somewhat predict that when Cruise's star starts to fade, the agents will look to cast him as old Batman. I also think they should stop doubling up villains in the films...because the Scarecrow was wasted in BB. As for the next film, I was shopping King Croc with my Joker idea...I sketched Croc out as being more in the H.R Giger, "Alien" vein seeing the potential to have the reference work as a re-imagining of the character...Though I like Arcane Asylum’s rendition. It's just I don't think there's an actor who could pull it off.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    But what if he doesn't fight crime ebonic?

    by Continentalop

    I mean, if Batman takes him in and slowly he becomes his apprentice. Dick Grayson's life obviously mirrors Bruce Wayne's (murdered parents) so maybe Batman starts to train the young boy to follow in his footsteps. No Robin costume or him joining him or nothing like that. <p> And I am not saying they should do it, I am just curious how much Robin/Grayson people are willing to accept (so far it seems none).

  • July 24, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    by AsimovLives

    Gordopn already kicked ass in the two Nolan's Batman movies. You were not paying atention.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Read my lips: NO ROBIN!!!!!

    by AsimovLives

  • July 24, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    DARK KNIGHT (alt)

    by seansarto

    subject line for the above

  • July 24, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    'Lop

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Robin" as a concept, doesn't work for many of us because it is just silly. While it seems entirely plausible that Bruce Wayne would try to become surrogate father figure to another orphan, it makes ZERO sense that, as Batman, he'd let the kid run around in pixie boots, fighting serial killers and monsters. And, as someone pointed out to you in the comics thread, giving a pre-teen to teenaged kid the ability to beat up on psychopaths diminishes their believability as threats.<P>Now, of course, if you twist it and tell it from the point-of-view of a kid who overcompensates by trying to prove he can handle anything to his new father because he never got the chance to prove it to his dead father, the story has possibilities. But you still just can't sell teenage fantasy identification in a darker setting.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    the Nolanverse will do well to just leave Robin/Dick

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    out completely. Batman is still trying to figure his own shit out... taking on a young ward in the midst of it all would be overkill.<p> oh, and let's get some John Malkovich as Victor Freeze action in the next film.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    Putting a robin in a Batman movie now is jsut wrong. i mean, the fucking gay inuendo would return in force lieka gale wind. In this times and age, when the gay side aspect of Batman and Robin is now part of the popualr culture, it would overshadow whatever dynamic they would to bring to the characters. The filmmakers could try their damnest to avoid any gay issue on Batman and Robin in their movie, and people would still see that, no mater what. It's a baggage that's completly unavoiable. The only way for a robin to work in a batman movie is is you wanted to make a DELIBERATLY gay Batman. all else, is just an invitation for parody and mockery. And rightly so.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    no no no, its not that nolan doesnt care about dc fans

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    FOX is a studio that doesnt care about their fans, along with the directors for most their movies. check out x3, wolverine, f4 1 and 2, daredevil and many other pieces of hot fox garbage. nolan just wants to do batman in a gritty, realistic world, and he actually has talent as a film maker, and the studio backs him up, so the films are dead freakin on.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Bryan Brown as Captain Boomerang!

    by TedKordLives

    Go Digger Go!

  • July 24, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Further characters that should never appear in Nolan's Bat-verse

    by ebonic_plague

    Bane, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Clock King (!!!), Croc (the mutant lizard version), Hush, Solomon Grundy, and, oh... Bat-Mite. Nothing that strains the suspension of disbelief much more than a guy successfully fighting crime dressed as a bat. <p> The ONLY exception I'm willing to make would be Superman, because, like Dr. Manhattan, I can believe that he's one of the few (the only?) actual super-powered beings that could exist in the same carefully constructed universe that Nolan set up for his movies. But other than that, the closer they can keep this to actual reality, the better.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    No Robin costume means

    by Subtitles_Off

    it isn't Robin.<P>Jebus!<P>The audience for Nolan's version of Batman has proven itself to be pretty relaxed in what they will allow the director to do. Make Batman more like James Bond. Make Ra's Al Ghul unrecognizable from his comics counterpart. Redefine The Joker. It's obvious that the audience would allow him to use characters' names anyway he wants at this point.<P>But, when you say "Robin," people assume "teenaged sidekick." And, as I've told you before, most people think teenaged sidekicks are silly.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Lindsey Lohan as Major Disaster!

    by TedKordLives

    Because, you know, her career and all.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    John "Valium" Malkovich as as Victor Freeze?

    by AsimovLives

    I'm not sure if i want to see Malkovich parading his boredom in another blockbuster again. He's a really very good actor... when he bothers to act, which is not very much happening this days.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    i meant fox is a studio that doesnt care about MARVEL FANS

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    HEY WHERES THE FUCKING EDIT BUTTON YOU STUPID ASSHOLES

  • July 24, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    ebs, if you allow for Superman

    by Subtitles_Off

    you can't disallow anything else.<P>Nolan isn't making a Batman as superhero story. Any superhero tropes won't work. Hell, the Dr. Doom-style threat of microwave machines and fear fog nearly derailed BEGINS.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Subtitles

    by Continentalop

    I actually agree, I don't think "Robin" works. But to me Dick Grayson works. The surrogate father/son relationship and the fact that Bruce Wayne sees a kindred soul - both victims of crimes, both dedicating themselves to get justice. <p> Now the only way I can see Dick Grayson working in the movies or even the comics nowadays is as a young student learning how to be a crimefighter. He is duplicating Bruce Wayne's experience of learning to fight crime. It is the master student relationship (similar to Henri Ducard and Bruce Wayne, but hopefully it turns out better). <p> His entire point is to give someone for Bruce to talk to, explain, as a representative to the audience why he does what he does. Batman brings back evidence to the Batcave, he can explain to Grayson what it means or ask him to make a guess. Batman can show him a martial arts move or explain to him why he uses certain tactics in a fight and the audience understands why Batman did the same thing to his opponents. He would be Watson to Sherlock Holmes, someone for Batman to walk through how and show he figured things out. <p> Sure he has Alfred, but some things he doesn't even have to explain to Alfred. Now we has a sounding board. <p> Just saying...

  • July 24, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Hush

    by Andillformthehead

    Seeing as Hush is only a "bizarro" Batman I could see him in a film as well as Bane (roid freak). Also Black Mask.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    seansarto...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...your "vision" sucks mein anus.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Clayface as "Master of Disguise"

    by Subtitles_Off

    is right up Nolan's alley. Clayface as giant, living mud puddle? Not.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Just Rewatched BB, It's Jason Todd As Robin

    by Spooge McDuck

    It's the only origin that is compatible with the scenes in Batman Begins. Now I know they could use any of the Robins and play with the origin, but why? The movies are too carefully planned and well written to just do something crazy like that for no reason. If they are setting up for the Jason Todd version, it changes my ideas on casting. Daniel Radcliffe isn't dark enough, I'd have to think for a while about who seems like a good fit. I agree about the villians, especially Catwoman. I would prefer that they go with Harley Quinn, mainly because that villian has never been in a live action movie before, so she starts with a clean slate and has no other performance to be compared to.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Conti, I don't know what the point...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...of having a non-costumed, "civilian" Robin in the movie would be, but if there was a way to make it work, without sacrificing the suspension of disbelief, I wouldn't be completely opposed to it. <p> Then again, if you dangle Robin in front of the audience like that, but never actually let him become Batman's crimefighting sidekick, people are going to bitch. So, either way, it would upset the balance of Nolan's Bat-verse. So no Robin, just to be safe. <p> Until they get a few more sequels under their belt, and need to shake things up... THEN I could be more easily swayed to accept the inclusion of Robin. Not this early in the game, though.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    ?

    by dulbeat

    It's not about the villains, it's about Bruce Wayne vs. Batman! That's how super hero franchises start sucking, the villains steal the show. As much as I'd love to see a 21st century Riddler, I don't think the next one needs a real super villain at all.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    How about the original Clayface

    by Continentalop

    Insane horror movie star? I know it will never happen, but man it would be nice to give Christopher Lee one last good role.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Dick Grayson should be similar to Johnathan Harker

    by Subtitles_Off

    from DRACULA. The kid is locked into his room in the mansion at night, looks out the window and sees a giant bat running in and out of the house. Imagine the dynamic when, in the morning a scared kid tells the butler there's a monster living under his bed, and the butler can't reassure him that there isn't.<P>If you want to know, that's the exact "pitch" I gave Tim Sale at a long ago Comic Con that earned me a name-drop in DARK VICTORY.

  • July 24, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    If you've read 'Batman: Year One' then you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.

  • July 24, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    Superman in the nolanverse would be as wrong as Robin or the other aforementioned super-vilaisn liek mad hatter, freezer, Bane, etc. If anything, the presence of superman would be a complete ball breaker. i always oposed the inclusion of Superman in the Batman comics. It always felt forced and completly unsastifying. Just because this two are from the Dc comics doesn't mean they have to share the same universe. This two belong to TOTALLY DIFFERENT UNIVERSES. In one an antropomorphological alien has perceived super-powers due to his own alien anture. in another, a rich guy becauses the ultimaate fighting machine but he's still very humanna dwith all the human frailties all of us have, and devotes his life like a monk dedicated to erradicate evildoers and crime, sacrificing his own personal life for the betterment of his own fellow neighbours by becoming the world's best detective ninja. I'm sorry, but i see no correlation between superman's universe and the Batmna universe, exactlo as a marketing ploy, whioch was always the case with the mix of the Superman and Batman stories. and why the fuck i would ever want to wach such crass commercialism in the nolan's Batman movies? That's the type of shit one would get in a Brett Ratner Batman movie, not Nolan's.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Shit! I was joking about the original Clayface but I think it co

    by Continentalop

    Cast Robert Englund as an former horror icon who's greatest part is being remade with another actor. <p> I mean they'll never do it but it would be a great metaphor for all the fucking horror movie remakes they are making. <p> Shit! Its times like this that you wish cheesy shows like Birds of Prey were still around so they could make whacky ideas like this...

  • July 24, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    by AsimovLives

    My devotion to Batman is from the Nolan's movies, they suffice me well, i don't need subsidiaries. For me, the comics are curiosities, not the Batman universe is dig, which is the nolanverse.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I'm all for...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    characters like Solomon Grundy and Mad Hatter to be in the Nolan universe. Only they'd have to be played professionally and taken seriously.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Ebonic, the only reason to have Robin

    by Continentalop

    Is if you wanted to show how Bruce Wayne grew up without parents and how training for Batman gave him meaning. Like I said, Grayson is a surrogate for Bruce Wayne's childhood - they went through the same experiences. <p> Now obviously that might not be an interesting enough idea for anybody to want to go with, but I just put it out there to see what people are willing to accept.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Fisting_Nell_Carter

    by seansarto

    Congratulations! You've just won the "Rene Belloq" life-size action figure..Please post your contact info here ASAP.....

  • July 24, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Subs, I see your point RE: Superman...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...but the fanboy in me can't deny a chance to see a World's Finest/Dark Knight Returns team up/rivalry set in the same reality as BB/TDK. You're right, though, Nolan's NOT telling a superhero story, it's more a crime/police procedural that just happens to feature Batman, but since Superman is so iconic and recognizable, and it IS still an adaptation of a comic book, I'd allow for Superman... but Superman ONLY. <p> But that probably is something better saved for another, more fantastical incarnation of the characters.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    Batman terrorizing the shit out of a young kid? That's the stuff for a great darkly comedy. It would be hillarious, a sort of batman version of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. Fucking hell, i like it! "Who are you, mr scary guy?" "I'm the goddamn batman!"

  • July 24, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    It's the fanboy in us that would fuck up a Batman movie if msot of us were in charge of the Batman movie franchise. -this is why it's cool and good that a level head guy like Christopher Nolan is making the batman movies, and why they worked out so well. The man is a movie geek like us, but he helds his fanboy in complete restrains, and this is why he's a great filmmaker. He has the self-restrain and inteligence most of use lack.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Grundy

    by seansarto

    I was thinkin' Grundy for the Superman film...Have him fight somebody..not just Lex's inventions all the time...That's why "Superman II" paid-off....

  • July 24, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, well said

    by Continentalop

    I have to agree. That is why earlier I mentioned I hope Chris Nolan does not listen to anything we suggest.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Put Robin with Batman in the same movie,a dn everybody now would think "gay lovers". It's unavoidable! Is that how you want the batman movies to became, a fertille ground for parody, after all the big great effort that the nolans and the cast did to bring legitimacy and seriousness to Batman?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Megan Fox as the Gotham whore.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    No acting needed.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    so... having a guy dress up like a bat is palatable,

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    and having yet another get half his face melted away by acid (sans infection) is fine also, but to have one more don what essentially amounts to a portable cooler is leaving the realm of believability? because, you know, we didn't leave it already, say, in Begins with the all-liquid-except-that-in-your-body-vaporizer 2000? right.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Fisting_Nell_Carter

    by seansarto

    Oh yeah, I'll try to work "Boba Fett" inta my "vision" just for you next time...

  • July 24, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    You guys will have to pardon me saying so but

    by AsimovLives

    i only trust Christopner Nolan to make an acceptable, inltetigent and good Batman movie. Any of you here in charge of a Batman movie would be the retirn of Batman And Robin type of Batman movie. And that also includes me. We would all fuck it up. No exceptions. To think otherwise is hubris. We just don't mave the materials to match nolan's great work. We are too much fanboys to do that justice or do a decent work.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    seansarto...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Don't take it personally. You just have shit ideas is all. Maybe retail is more your thing?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Conti and Asi

    by ebonic_plague

    Conti: Again, I'd say that's a valid concept to include, but still, I'd have to say wait a few sequels. I just can't see Bruce even considering the idea of taking on a ward right now. He just Began one movie ago! <p> Asimov: I'm just talking out my ass because I so enjoyed the Dark Knight Returns dynamic of Batman proving he's the world's premiere badass by kicking the shit out of Superman. It probably wouldn't work in this series. But if they ever get lazy with their "rules" for the universe, I say fuck the bullshit and throw in the big Boy Scout as the complacent adversary, just to put that scene on film to show it to the world. Powers Booth as old Batman! Tim Daly as old Superman!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    If they really are planning on having...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    Robin in the nolanverse then atleast have him played by a dude and not a little homo (someone earlier mentioned Danielle Radcliffe, a shit choice).

  • July 24, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    "I hope Chris Nolan does not listen to anything we suggest."

    by ebonic_plague

    Amen, Conti. Truer words have never been written on AICN. <p> But still, Emily Blunt for Catwoman!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    But as Sub said if he isn't in costume he isn't Robin

    by Continentalop

    I agree, Grayson can never be in costume. And I don't think it has to look gay - I mean Alfred raised Bruce but no one thinks there was a gay relationship there. <p> And like I also said, I don't see Dick Grayson running around fighting crime with Bruce. I see him studying so that one day he can take over for Bruce if Batman is still needed.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    seansarto...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ..you could always work Boba Fett into your ass...mmm..workin' it WORKIN' IT!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    jackknifed_juggernaut

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan made it palatable that a guy dressed as a bat fights crime. Becasue he did it by logical phases. He constructed a detailed and plausible world where that could happen. He started as a angry man fearful of bats who wanted to learn the ways of the crimianls to udnerstand them. He became a skilled street fighter. Then he became a top of the art ninja. He started his first moves as a ninjam, then he upgraded himself to a more high tech suite and aparatus. Then he dressed hismelf as a batbecause he is palying on most people inate fear of bats and their association with fear and the devil. He dressed as a bat because it's scary,. and he wants to fuck up and scare the bejesus of the crimianls.<br><br>So, you bet that nolan made palatable a guy dressed as a bat. and nobody can ever make paalatable a teenage boy wonder running around in shorts and coloured gargements fighting crime and knocking out adults 3 time his size.<br><br>You Boy Wodner fanbvoys give it a rest, robin will never happen, not in a Christopher Nolan movie. If you want to watch robin in a bat movie, watch Batman & Robin, that's what a batman with robin movie looks like.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    I can wait for as long as it takes...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    for the third flick. Let them take their time. As long as everyone's back.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    I'm sure that Nolan though of Emily Blunt as Catwomen even before any of us even dreamt of the notion. He got this close to cast her as Rachael Dawes, anyway.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    and just because it's fun...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    Guy Pierce for 'The Riddler'.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    You migth not chose to see it that way, but a robin ina batman movie will always create scorn and parody and laughter due to the inevitable sexual inherent to the scenario. The notion of batman and Robin being gay lovers is part of popualr culture today. Only geek fanboys would not see it that way, the rest of the world would. And Nolan had has sweet liters to turn ~Batman legit again, he will not bloody going to let it all run «down the traina dnturn his mvoie as a platform for parody by including Robin. When nolan said he was not going to put robin ever in his Batman movies, he knew what he was saying, he knows what he's doing.<br><br>I think his movies attest to the fact that Nolan knows more aobut making moveis then we can ever dream. I'm reminded of what i read about the sugestions that the geeks here id for what the Dark Knight should be like and all of the sugestions were incredibly lame and poor compared to what Nolan did in his movie.<br><br>I'm sorry, guys, but it's in Nolan i trust! If nolan says no robin, it's him i will trust, not you guys. Sorry.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    unless it's CHRISTopher nolan speaking nobody gives a shit

    by Jesiah

    And im an Oldman fan. I love him in that Guns N' Roses video and in Professional, but nobody will care unless CHRISTopher nolan puts his mouth where wb's $ is.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    by TedKordLives

    I couldn't make a Bat-movie on par with Nolan, but give me his TDK budget and I'd direct the FUCK out of a Blue Beetle movie. <P> But you probably knew that already.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Re-Juiced up Butler for Dark Knight returns

    by picardsucks

  • July 24, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Asi, remember, I fucking hate the Nolanverse.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Flame me all you want, but my heart of hearts hopes he never does another one. I groaned through every minute of BEGINS. TDK, while far superior in every way, still featured Your Lord Bale's lozenge-needing ass (God, I hate his Klaus Kinski-channeling self-importance and his one-note acting), laughable dialogue ("You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain" is the single dumbest thing I've ever heard in a genre loaded with stupid statements), and a frustrating ending (Batman just saved fifty people, including the city's favorite tv news broadcaster, and the Commisioner's family. Then, he has a chat with Gordon, and they decide he'll pretend he's a bad guy now. Good luck selling tha one. The tv guy, remember?). It was a thrill to watch in the theater, but, I was so frustrated by the ending, I started to pick apart all of its flaws as soon as I hit the parking lot. Said story-telling flaws begin the minute a school bus backs through a bank wall without damaging its back door.<P>Yep, my aversion to the Nolanverse makes your hatred of Jar Jar's DAWSON'S TREK seem tame.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Fisting_Nell_Carter

    by seansarto

    It's a Wookie, wookie world.....How to rut-up the main chance 101...Who'd you vote for?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Asimov...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...I'm keeping the dream alive, then! She would have been great as Dawes but I'm glad she wasn't because she'd look MUCH better in skin-tight latex.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    that said, id like to see LADY SHIVA in a batman flick

    by Jesiah

    One of the only people who can kick Bruce Wayne's ass in hand to hand combat.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    uh, not sure where the Robin bit came from, Asimov

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    i couldn't give a fuck less about the character, personally... i was talking about Freeze. HOWEVER, by your own argument, just as Nolan made it palatable that a guy would dress as a bat to fight crime (or that a guy could still function with half his face exposed), so too could he make Freeze, Bane, Croc, etc. acceptable if done so in "logical phases." as masterful as the Nolanverse is, it's no more our reality than is Raimi's Spiderhood... okay i reached for that one, but you get my drift.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    If Spielberg was directing BATMAN, he'd include Robin

    by YackBacker

    And Robin would be played by a screeching Dakota Fanning. And it would suck. Seriously, we all owe the Nolans a vital organ as a sign of our appreciation.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Ted

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think we'll see KAMANDI:THE MOVIE before we see BLUE BEETLE.<P>In a way, I envy you.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    And behold..the messenger of Bale bring professionalism!

    by conspiracy

    Gary Oldman will sit at the left hand of Bale when He brings the pain in Batman 3. Bales mighty professionalism with fucking fist all the cunts into submission, and trash your fucking lights right back into the womb. We are His bitches, and await word from the almighty Bale, for at the appointed hour he will come and confirm his mighty presence on the big Screen, and kick the fuck out of the unprofessional amongst us. So Says Bale.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    one of cinema's modern worst...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    being 'Batman & Robin' has scraped itself new with the Nolanverse and a fanboy bitches? Give me a break.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    You have to remember, Nolan actaully killed the superhero movie

    by YackBacker

    He deconstructed its major conceits with TDK, and he did it brilliantly. We are no longer going to accept people wearing spandex in a Nolan Batman movie. Nor will we accept a supernatural villain. All of the things we assume to happen in a capes movie are off the table. And Nolan is to blame. And I love him so much for it. He's challenging us to look deeper at the mythology. Just how we scoff at Ancient Greek Gods, he's rolled his eyes at the typical comic book movie. And he's offering a new genre of these stories to us. I don't doubt that he'll kill off Bruce Wayne at some point. Watch for it.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    the best thing about a Nolan Batman III?

    by Jesiah

    Little to no goyer. Each movie he gets pushed out, hopefully Batman III is pure Nolan bros.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker....

    by Andillformthehead

    Some people want to replace Nolan. Ha ha ha Bay, Ratner and any other "hackish" director is willing and waiting to collect a check.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Subs... you're off my Christmas card list.

    by ebonic_plague

    How COULD you? Have you no shame, sir? HAVE YOU NO SHAME?! <p> Okay, it's got flaws, but I either didn't see the same plot holes (unstable vigilante rescues innocents and then exacts lethal revenge on corrupt officers/mobsters doesn't seem too far fetched to float) or was too impressed with what they got right to let it bother me. So despite my inner fanboy's overwhelming desire to flame you, I'll just say you got a good point about that bus and some solid ideas for the sequel and leave it there.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    "I'd direct the FUCK out of a Blue Beetle movie. "

    by AsimovLives

    Isn't that what Zack Snyder tried to do with his Watchmen movie and failed miserably at that?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    And for every Begins and TDK....

    by Andillformthehead

    ...there is a X3 and Wolverine waiting in the wings. How many X/Wolverine fans seppuku-ed themselves over those two?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    ebs, you Scrooge

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's Christmas, you silly goose. No one holds grudges during Christmas!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 villains...

    by BendersShinyAss

    I see no reason why the Joker can't be in Batman 3. The acotr playing him died. deal with it - the show must go on. <p> Catwoman would make a great addition if we don't actually get a backstory, but she's more elusive than batman - and being a man, he tries to tail her... and ultimately dick her.... <p>The same goes for the riddler. If he's in it then it needs to be an elusive character - someone you just don't see much of til the end. it could be a reveal that it was one of the supporting characters all along. the green suit can be nothing more than a dark green suite. lose the zorro mask. <p> Batman begins should have had the penguin as the mob boss - buuuuuuuuuuuut who cares now right?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    "Yep, my aversion to the Nolanverse makes your hatred of Jar Jar's DAWSON'S TREK seem tame."<br><br>Impossible. My of Dawson's Trek is based on reason, your hate of the Nolan's Batman mvoies is based on personal preference. And nothing is strong in a human being then the fury of reason.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    strong = stronger

    by AsimovLives

  • July 24, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Asimov_Lives

    by Ribbons

    Although I generally agree with the idea that most of us are wrong most of the time, always remember that the fans are the ones who picked Christian Bale for Batman. So we're not incapable of making good suggestions, at least when they're limited to the realm of casting.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives VERSUS Subtitles_Off

    by ebonic_plague

    Round One! FIGHT!!!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Subby & Asi

    by TedKordLives

    One of you is correct. And one of you is my mortal fucking enemy. Discuss.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Nolan is full of shit

    by BendersShinyAss

    The way people say "he had to be begged back for dark knight" and the way they say now "They're trying to get him back" .... <p> bullshit!! the guy fought tooth and nail to get Batman begins up and running and he left it with a tie in stright to the sequel - which he and his brother wrote. and judging by the quality of those films you can't tell me he wants to hand it off to someone else. <p> Can't stand people who act so ingracious

  • July 24, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Jump ahead 60 years...

    by br1947

    Clint Eastwood plays an aged, embittered Batman putting on the cowl one final time after his successor is murdered by The Joker as played by Anthony Hopkins. Ends in a fight to the mutual death a la Holmes / Moriarty!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Nolan just announced.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Orca will be the villainess in the third movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    Will never happen. Subtiles_off is a cool guy and he's one of the ones i respect. I don't care if he agrees with me or not, he's one of the good guys, and i call him friend anyday of the week.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    That was harsh.

    by TedKordLives

    I keep forgetting that English is not Asi's first language. But I disagree in regards to Watchmen, which did indeed have the fuck directed out of it.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Teddy, I thought you were my heterosexual life partner?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • July 24, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    IMO....

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    TDK and the revamped Star Trek were both pretty good.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    br1947

    by AsimovLives

    60 years from now, Clint Easthood would be almost 140 years. Even a tough bastard like him can't live that long.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Nolan

    by seansarto

    I wanted to see "filmmaking" somewhat reimagined...For the most part Nolan, his Production Designers and DP kept it pretty perfuntory...Whereas BB was sepia toned...DK leaned towards the "Burton Blues"...But I have yet to see the fresco aesthetic that was Frank Miller's vision of the character. (and really was the big pay-off for the comic book)... Any director with the right crew could pull it off...in terms of a blockbuster, it's the crew who actually renders the conceptualization.... Robin?..It could be done...There's definitely some great ideas here in this post... Malkovich as Freeze sounds like dam good casting....I just don't think Freeze is a really good villian for a blockbuster...

  • July 24, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Fisting_Nell_Carter

    by AsimovLives

    Yes, in your opinion... which is very right about TDK and very wrong about Dawson's Trek.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Yes, I love him for it too.

    by Greggers

    Let's take a character of children's pop fiction, and after it's appeal has been expanded for wider demographic (i.e., "all ages"), let's then deconstruct the living shit out of it for the sake of the older section of the audience -- a section of the audience who, due to arrested emotional development, has claimed the kid's character (a character that dresses like a bat and has adventures) for itself; claimed it to the point where it's largely inappropriate for children. Thank you Christopher Nolan. Where do I send the fruit basket?

  • July 24, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Reginald VelJohnson SHOULD be in Batman 3

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    He's virtually a God.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Asimov, yeah, but what if...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...it turns out he's secretly J.J. Abrams? <p> You'd have to pronounce generational blood vendetta on him, wouldn't you? WOULDN'T YOU?!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Aside from Malin Ackerman's tight body

    by YackBacker

    I mostly felt unexcited throughout WATCHMEN.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    OR, let's say Nolan leaves TDK as the final entry, and

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    begins work on Y: The Last Man.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    There's another way of looking...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    at The Joker in the new movie. Suppose there's no replacement and he's written out entirely. Sure, give me the old "Batman doesn't exist w/o Joker" wrap, but if you think about it. He dropped off the face of the Earth etc. etc. wouldn't that be pretty realistic regarding the Nolanverse? Consider the organizations he's fucked with in TDK... there's no way getting around the fact that guys like the joker disappear all the time.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Why keep on bringing Frank Miller as if he's the Pope of Batman?

    by AsimovLives

    Miller is the guy who did The Spirit. Need i say more? i wouldn't trust Miller with batman evne if my life depended on it. fuck Frank Miller, the best portait of the emperor with no clothes i ever heard regarding comics. If the man was important int he comcis and regarding batman, he burned out a long time ago and he's a mindless loonie bum i wouldn't trust to wash my socks. Fuck him!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    **SPOILER**

    by Number9997

    Robin is not going to be in the next movie! Oldman has no idea what he is talking about! Firefly will be the bankrobbing villain terrozing Gotham!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by AsimovLives

    You and me, brother!

  • July 24, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Subby

    by TedKordLives

    No, we're cool as cukes. You're prolly right about the Kamandi movie (Which could actually be kinda cool). But at least DC now has the tv/films rights to the Ted Kord Beetle. So there's always a chance.

  • July 24, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Bring Bane

    by Squeesheiro

    It's time to stop ignoring the smartest and strongest of all Batman's enemies.

  • July 24, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Waiting...

    by Andillformthehead

    I hear some people are still waiting for grey spandex and yellow moon behind bat, white eyes and all other nonsense that worked in one medium but not in the other....

  • July 24, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Asi, Subs, Ted, et. al- I see all the professionals are here

    by YackBacker

    This is the TB I'll be checking on all night. It's good to have a chat with proper villains.

  • July 24, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller has lost his mind.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Anyone who has read his recent Batman comics knows this. He belongs in an institution. With a fat, mean nurse in full-on Nazi sadist gear.

  • July 24, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...is DONE in Hollywood.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Firefly?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Firefly is the only character as dumb as Orca. Well, maybe Ratcatcher.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by Ribbons

    What are you, retarded or something? He's the goddamned Batman! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Opinion....Frank Miller ....

    by Andillformthehead

    ..is doing all the stuff he REALLY wanted to do. These things work with his characters but not with iconic characters known the world over.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    Who would be Jar Jar Abrams? Nolan? Can't be. I have seen pictures of both. nolan is a very well groomed man who knows style and class. Jar Jar Abrams looks like a mutant rat with mutant hair and a evil forced plastic smile that can blind children and kill puppies. Jar Jar Abrams also kilsl and eats the heart of little children for breakfast every morning, as his morning libation to Satan for giving him a movie career, despiste his complete lack of talent for anything remotly to do with images and sounds put together and basic storytelling.<br><br>Nolan is touched by the angels, Jar Jar Abrams is touched by shit.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by AsimovLives

    This is a den of villainry of the likes you can't find in the darkest pitts of the world. We are utterly evil!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I think Bane is the logical follow up

    by br1947

    Riddler is a little too close to the Joker, most of the other villains are not 'real world' enough. They might bring in Selina Kyle as a love interest & drop some hints, but I dunno if they'll jump straight to Catwoman.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah, spandex is nonsense.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But molded rubber memory muscles are believable. Yeah, right.<P>The Nolan Batman costume is ridiculous.<P>"Um, Penguin," said Bruce Wayne, "Stand right there. Batman will be along before dawn to kick your ass. He just needs four hours and seven costume technicians to glue him into 200 hundred molded muscle appliques

  • July 24, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Ribbons, even better

    by Subtitles_Off

    Batgirl saying "fuck."

  • July 24, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Firefly.....

    by Number9997

    ....is the villain, so bank on it. This son of a bitch is be written to be a badass motherfucker. The methods he employs are incredibly wicked and that's the redemption angle for Batman,

  • July 24, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    br1947...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    please don't use the "c" word.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    JJ kills puppies with his smile.

    by Subtitles_Off

    HAHAHA!<P>That made me laugh, Asi, but I think it contradicts your "my hatred is based on reason" argument.<P>Puppy Killer - a new Batman villain for the Nolanverse.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives

    by AsimovLives

    If by diectignthe shit out the mvoei you mean to say tyhat Zack snyder hsowed tot he world at large what an inept filmamker is his dealing with mroe sophisticated emotions and themes then a guy eatign an aple and kicking zombie persians, then you are right, he did directed the shit out of Watchmen... as in, he directed the movie UNTO SHIT! The fucker only made ONE SINGLE SCENE RIGHT, and that's because he pratially copied it almsot frame by frame form the comic. That' not fucking talent, that's not a filmmaker, that's a magpie. Fuck him! Most talkbackers here could had made a better movie then Snyder's Watchmen, you included!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    200 hundred ...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    my favorite number. My other favorite number is 300 hundred.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Asimov...

    by BendersShinyAss

    you're talking about the guy who made star Trek good again, right? <p>what is your problem with that kick ars film?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Subs, you may have mentioned this before but

    by YackBacker

    What's your ideal version of Batman? Any particular comic era? Movie? What are you looking for specifically?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Zsasz/Memento

    by Andillformthehead

    A gestalt of the Leonard Shelby and Zsasz characters (a serial killer who frees his victims and yet needs to carve his victims names into his flesh to remember). He really wants to free himself but he chickens out and forgets....

  • July 24, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but you know some suit is pushing it

    by br1947

    and others are going "oh hell no not again!" I look at it this way, if they made up for Batman & Robin, even "she who shall not be named" can be redeemed

  • July 24, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    Reason tells that the onyl way that that retsrded idiot Jar Jar abrams mannages to have a career making movies and convinced the world and the geeks that his abortion piec eof shit Dawson's Trek "movie" is good is only with the help and participation of the Dark Lord Of Flies Himself. And the dfark lotrd always demands the flesh and blood of litle childrne as payment, and as if doing that would be a problem to that fucking heartless fuck Jar Jar Abrams.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    dfark lotrd = dark lord

    by AsimovLives

  • July 24, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Oh Bender, why did you have to ask that question?

    by YackBacker

    Asi, give him the short version, or better yet a link to the TREK TB from 2 months ago.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Firefly?

    by TedKordLives

    Didn't the OMACs torch his ass during Infinite Crisis? <P> Asimov, I'm not getting into a Watchmen debate with you tonight, sorry.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Bane isn't real world.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He's a hitman on super-juice who wears a Luchador mask.<P> I do NOT want to see Bane.<P>I want to see The Scarecrow used right. How about that?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Best batman ever!!

    by BendersShinyAss

    http://tinyurl.com/nxcwyy

  • July 24, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by AsimovLives

    My problem is that the movie is stupid, retard, imbecillic, stupidly made, retardly writen, a compelte misguised piece of bulslhit as filmmaking goes, a rape on the well established and beloved characters who are icons of SF, and a complete pissing and shitting on the Gene Roddenberry legacy. It's also not very good.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Do Bane!

    by TedKordLives

    If any of you are reading 'Secret Six', you'll know how complex and fascinating a character Bane can be when handled properly. It's the only DC book I break my boycott for, if that tells you anything.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Very close second

    by BendersShinyAss

    http://tinyurl.com/3fee7f

  • July 24, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Get JOHN WOO to direct the action scenes.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I love Nolan, but if there is any criticism I can find at all...its within' the action sequences...they can be so quick-cut and shakey I have no idea what is going on...like when Batman was going in to fight the bad guys dressed as hostages.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    In short.....

    by Number9997

    ....Firefly is a morally corrupt bankrobber who uses pyrotechnic technology to burn Gotham down. This villain is already on the storyboards. Of course, the script is a long way off. Eventually, this villain will be tied to another foe.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    the scarecrow...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    was used awesomely. I don't even wanna imagine how gay he would've looked in a ridiculous Joel Schumacher Batman flick. *shutters*

  • July 24, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Bane ..

    by Andillformthehead

    Is a former Cuban secret service hitman who doesn't use guns (another Batman reversal/analogue) that juices (slightly more than "Reality" would allow). Not a major player just a player much like Scarecrow in TDK but more camera time. No mask, tights, etc.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    And I think CATWOMAN is the obvious choice...

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    From a sales/advertising standpoint... <BR><BR> I think they are gonna bring the hot babe in for the next one.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Azzimofo...

    by BendersShinyAss

    dude... Trek was awesome. Perhaps you'd prefer a copy of nemesis? insurrection? maybe the complete set of Enterprise?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, memory cloth is realistic. There has been work done on that for years now. What the Nolan movie did was put a SF spin on an already established concept and made it a reality. Memory cloth is nothing all too exotic. It will be a reality soon enough. There's nothign terribly exotic or unprobable about it, the principle of the thing is very well known basic physics, it's only a problem of engeneering until it is made to work.<br><br>As the REAL Spock would say (and not the emo Spock or the old geezer Spock who cannot count anymore, as shown in the Dawson's Trek bullshit movie), your hatred of Nolan's Batman movies is highly illogical.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    the scarecrow...with visible nipps

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

  • July 24, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Catwoman......

    by Number9997

    ....will not be in the movie. Bane will not be in the movie. The Riddler will not be in the movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Bane

    by TedKordLives

    He's off the juice now, so it doesn't have to be included in a new movie version of the character. <P> As he says in 'Secret Six', "I only do what I know is right." He says that whilst ramming a pipe into Mammoth's genitals.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by AsimovLives

    You bet your fucking ass i would rather have any of those, evne the lame ass Inssurexction. At least those movies tried to be Star Trek, however misguided they were. Instead of what Dawson's Trek bulslhit is, a bad parody of Star Wars that pisseed and shits on the Star Trek for the sake of some shit blowing up and anoying teen fucsk who pretend badly to be the iconic characters of Trek and fail miserably at that.<br><br>And the only justification anybody can show that i wipe my ass about and thow it toe garbage can is when soembody tries to jsutify a movie because "they had fun". Fuck that shit. there's people who have fun by torturing small animals, so the notion of what people have of fun is the very single thing that justuify nothing at all. I don't give a shit what you or anybody else finds fun, i give a shit about the quality of a movie, which Dawson's Trek has none!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Miller

    by seansarto

    One last thing then I got stuff to do...I'll check back later.. I think what happened with Miller is that the studios recognized his contributions in the comic books are obliogated in homage to him (it could be a legally binding issue that they do) and thus they're allowing him to choose his projects. He's definitely one of the few "Studio" filmmakers doing some really interesting things with the "look" of film... But when it comes to a "blockbuster" the studios jest aren't that willing to take such chances...Their tendency is to play it safe and make as much money as possible without leaving peole scratching their heads..."Citizen Kane' was a flop...but it changed filmmaking...

  • July 24, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by AsimovLives

    And your mockign my nick, is that your idea of wit? Only retards pull that shit, because they cannot pull out a decent and compreensible idea to defend their position. Fucking lame ass! Grow up!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by Subtitles_Off

    My ideal version of Batman is the comics version from the Grant / Dixon era and the better arcs from LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT. That and "The Animated Series" version. As far as a movie version, I always thought a GODFATHER-MEETS-X-FILES version would be the way to go, with loads of ambiguity. I don't need sub-plots for the costume and the car. If you need Batman's "wonderful toys" explained to you, then you may be lacking imagination.<P>Prior to Nolan, in the years after Schumacher turned it all into his personal Pride Parade, I used to fall asleep with a version in my head. Don't laugh - it was more fun than counting sheep. In my version, The Black Mask Conspiracy is running Gotham, having corrupted politics, justice, the police force - all aspects of Gotham. The two people who are standing against them are James Gordon and Harvey Dent, but they are frustrated at every turn. untilo, Harvey Dent runs into a vigilante dressed as a bat and convinces Gordon, who remains reluctant, to accept the assistance of a "mask" to beat the other "masks." Long story short, in the end, Batman is set to finally expose the true face behind Black Mask, but it is Dent who double-crosses all of them. The Black Mask False-Facers enact their revenge by turning Dent into Two-Face, and, by this time, Batman has earned Gordon's trust.<P>I kept myself awake for years with that shit, imagining all the roles for every character, including Barbara Gordon, who only imagined herself, Walter Mitty-style, as being Batgirl, and Dick Grayson.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off......

    by Number9997

    .....you are truly an asshole! Noone gives a fuck about your vision of Batman.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    seansarto

    by AsimovLives

    Citizen Kane broke evne on the box office, What kileld it was not box offcie, but the cunning machinations of people at the payrole of William Randolf Heast, who took eprsonal offense of the move and did everything in his power to eradicate the movie out of the face of the Earth.<br><br>Frank Miller is an horrible movie, no two ways about it. there's nothing visionary or brilalnt and pushign the envelope about it, it's a complete misguided movie made by a guy who lost his marbles, end of story.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Batman movies are sold on the villians, not Batman.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Batman - Nicholson Joker<BR> Batman Returns -the slogan was "the bat. the cat. the penguin."<BR> Batman Forever - Jim Carrey<BR> Batman & Robin - blue Arnold <BR><BR> Besides Batman's origin story, its all about the bad guys. So I think they either have to go with one of the most popular of baddies, Catwoman/Riddler/Penguin....or roll with a lesser known comic villian or even an original bad guy (what a concept!), but played by a famous actor like Johnny Depp. <BR><BR> They cannot just go with someone like Bane imo. How do you sell that?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Subby

    by TedKordLives

    I like the Babs twist, how it's only in her imagination. <P> Not bad, man, not bad.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by AsimovLives

    Hey friend, cool it, dude. The man has the right to his opinion. You disagree, you better came up with good reasons why his ideas sucks. Or else shut your trap. Thank you very much.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Subs, I like your version in its own right

    by YackBacker

    It's true to the genre, which I admit Nolan has aggressively deconstructed with his movies. I still admire Nolan's take, but again, I admit that it limits the storytelling in certain aspects- aspects which your take preserves. I think where we diverge is that I think Nolan has captured the essence of what Bruce Wayne seeks to accomplish perfectly, whereas you may think otherwise.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Asimov......

    by Number9997

    .....go blow your dad.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong. Batman Begins was completly sold on Bruce Wayne. The villains ere peripherical at best. The dasrk knight was sold on Brice Wayne/Batman, The Joker AND Harvey Dent. In fac,t for the movie's storyline, Harvey Dent is a far more important character then The Joker, the movie by far puts Dent on the stoplight then the Joker. That's what the movie sold.<br><br> What the marketing department sold, that's another matter.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Number9997, for the record I care what Subs has to say

    by YackBacker

    So check yoself. Seriously, it's a talkback, that's what we're doing here!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by AsimovLives

    Lame replies like that only hurt yourself, not anybody else. Ready to start a carrer as the local caveman?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Selling Bane

    by TedKordLives

    How about Bane holding a battered, about-to-be-broken Batman over his head, then slamming him down on his knee. <P> You know what? You dont't have to sell the next Batman movie. I head the last one did pretty well. I think people will come see it if Carrot Top plays the Mirror Master.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker.....

    by Number9997

    ....go blow Asimov's dad.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Asi, don't try to trip me up on technicalities.

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Memory cloth" requiring an electrical current is no more practical than spandex. When Batman's batteries run low, he's supposed to find himself somewhere to plug in?<P>Professional athletes use their bodies in their careers. What do they wear? Skin-tight spandex.<P>End of discussion.<P>I will not give Nolan a pass for realism when he creates a tank that can crash through cement but won't fall through a wooden church roof.<P>Or, as has been pointed out, a microwave machine that turns all the water in an environment to steam, without turning people - who are 80% water - into ash.<P>Or, a wall-sized bank of high-tech computer screens that can be put up by a single man in a single afternoon.<P>The Nolanverse isn't realistic. You've just agreed to suspend more of your disbelief because it looks grittier than Schumacher's neon world.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Number, I am an asshole.

    by Subtitles_Off

    And Yackbacker asked. Hence, I addressed my post to Yackbacker.<P>Now that I've explained it to you, explain to me why you're a cunt.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    That's what I am talking about, the mkting dept.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Besides the origin story, the advertising, movie posters in Batman film history sold the movie on the villians. Did people go to Batman Forever to see Bruce Wayne... or Jim Carrey (who was super hot at the time)?<BR><BR> If they make the next Batman without either an iconic villian or a famous actor, how will mkting sell it? Wouldnt the studio request one or the other?<BR> Thats why I say, imo, we'll see the Catwoman in the next one.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Number9997, you stay classy

    by YackBacker

    Come on, why the sour demeanor?

  • July 24, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by AsimovLives

    This is what i admire about noaln, he srts very defined limits to his own Batman universe. Which means he has to stick to those, through thick and thin. Which also means he has to be far more creative. He cannpt just CGI his ass out of a narrative predictment, like Michael Bay Denis did with his Transforemrs movie or Jar Jar Abrams with his Dawson's Trek. nolan and his brother have to really think their way through with their batman movies, and this is why Batman Begins and specially The Dark knight are such piece sof brillant filmmaking. Nolan and his brother learned a lesson that most hacks don't evne know it exists: that for make good movies you need to impose limitations on yourself, and act your way out though imagination and intelligence. This is why Nolan is a really good director, and the hacks like the two aforementioned aren't.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, once again if he isn't wearing the costume...

    by Continentalop

    ..is he really "Robin." And yes, I think you could easily separate Dick Grayson form any sort of homosexual subtext. Do him as a character with an arc over several movies. For example, you could do it this way: <p> FIrst movie a young boy's parents are murdered by criminals who are involved in the films main plot (gangsters that work with the Penguin or someone else maybe). Maybe Batman was ndirectly responsible for their death. Also maybe the boy, Dick Grayson, was a witness to the crime and Batman has to protect him from gangsters trying to eliminate the witnesses. Grayson is age 9-10 in this film. <p> Second film Bruce Wayne learns that the young boy has been in a number of foster homes and is still angry over his parents death. Some of the criminals who killed his parents are still at large. He has come to idolize Batman because but still wants revenge against these murderers who he knows the law can’t touch. He is somewhat like Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins who planned on shooting Joe Chill - he wants revenge not justice. Batman has to step in and stop him from killing. Because he is now "wanted" by gangsters, Bruce Wayne can offer to be his guardian/ward because he can protect him. Grayson is age 12-13. <p> Grayson comes back from private school after getting kicked out for fighting (or some shit). He sees very little of his "guardian" Bruce Wayne, but bonds with Alfred. He is still angry about his parents death and while he doesn’t want revenge he still wants justice for the criminal who have yet to pay for his parent’s murder. During this movie he learns that Bruce Wayne is Batman and approaches him to teach him. He is age 15 or so. <p> Dick Grayson is learning at Bruce Wayne's footsteps about how to fight and solve crimes. Dick Grayson might get in a fight or two during the movie, but he doesn’t actually join Batman in crime fighting. He is still in a student role. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t try to do things on his own – Batman and Alfred try to keep him on a short lease because he isn’t ready yet. Dick is about 16 or 17. Maybe even 18. <p> Sure the chances of them being able to do 4 more movies and with Dick Grayson is unlikely at best but if they could it seems to me like an interesting way to develop Dick Grayson, aka “Robin”, in a realistic manner that fits the Nolanverse. Something that develops over time and appears “organic”. And obviously they don’t have to do it the way I described it, or even do it at all, but I was just pointing out how Dick Grayson could be a part of the new Batman series and not upset the tone of the series.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Ted, Babs' imagination

    by Subtitles_Off

    allowed me to imagine some of the goofier elements of the mythology as a girl's fantasies. In that context, you can pull off Killer Moth in ways you couldn't otherwise.<P>And, remember that X-Files episode about the shapeshifter that was born with a tail? That handled a ridiculous concept in an ambiguous way. Is it real? Is it not? That's how I'd like to see villains like Clayface explored. They seem to exist: yet, they're too incredible. And Batman, then, is the voice of science and detection whose job it is to explain these things so that they make sense.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker.....

    by Number9997

    .....you're correct. Subtitles is the real fucking idiot here.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by Andillformthehead

    The Memory cloth is for gliding, landing safely, etc it's not always on. <br> The momentum of the Tumbler kept it from crashing through.<br> I believe they used the microwave machine on the ship to that effect but if the focus can be narrowed then those fairly close (within 20 feet should be ok). <br> Wayne Enterprise had been working on the "wall-sized bank of high-tech computer screens" since forever. It's only comes to Lucius' attention when the blackmailer brings it up. He was using it track the Joker no? <br> Everything is relative and "realistic" in this case is relative to a swishy Batman and Robin fighting in a Disco.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Geeeesuz Azzi - take a fucking panadole

    by BendersShinyAss

    You lash out at me and here i am saturday morning having a simple back and forward on aint it cool. and whats worse, it's because i refer to you as azzimofo?? christ man then ease up on calling JJ - Jar Jar.... pot. kettle. black. It's a fucking talkback name<p>moving on.... Comparing my like for star trek to the killing of cute little baby animals is a little skewed, bud.... I don't kill them, i just tease them. <p>as for trek being poorly made... nonsense. the visual effects were some of the best effects I've yet seen in nay film. the story re-introduced us to the world of trek better than a few other reboots i could mention. It had a solid script which didn't lag. Leonard Nimoy came out of retirement for it - the man didn't even give a shit about generations and that would have been along side Shatner. <p>now I'm hardcore into trek enough to see the limitations of the film - but they were limitations that were not destructive - in fact, it gives me interest into what the future direction of these films will take. <p>i don't respect star trek and abrams because the film was 'fun' ... i respect it because all the way leading up to the films release i had absolutely NO FAITH it could be pulled off. Fuck, was I wrong!! <p>now.... kindly speak respectfully on the subject....

  • July 24, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    There.....

    by Number9997

    .....will be no Robin and Firefly is the villain along with someone else.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Pretty Good Subby.

    by TedKordLives

    I wasn't a big X-Phile but I get what you're talking about. Pretty clever, whatever the number guy says.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns

    by AsimovLives

    They did fine with Batman Begins, they sold the movie on the strenght of Bruce Wayne/Batman, they can do that again. The major villain of BB is sowembody who, outside of the comic affictioandos and geeks, nobody knew about. Most can't even pronounce his name. Still didn't mattered, because the atentions were focused on the hero, Batman. The vilalisn in Batman Begins serves the hero.<br><br>In fact, the same happens with The Dark knight, the villaisna lso serve Batman. And not just the vilaisn, but the other characters as well. just because they got a very folkloric vilain in The joker, people forget and misunderstand that the porpose of the jopker is to be a foiul to Batman, always, that's his only porpose in the movie. The joker doesn't work without Batman, it doesn't even have a narrative or a subplot of his own, all he does it to be a foil of Batman. Even the character says so, in a quite post-modernistic fashion, when he says to Batman "you compelte me". no shit, Joker without Batman is nothing in the movie. buit the peopelg et so fascinated by he clown antics from The Joker, they forget and fail to notice that, the joker only exist to futher characterize Batman/Bruce Wayne. Thing is, the nolans don't lazy on duty, and just because The joker is merely a plot device doesn't mean he has to be uninteresting or captivations. This is the true testement of the nolan's qualities as filmmakers. This guys know what they are doing. This guys are smarter then we give them credit for. In some ironic twist of fat,e it nmioght so be that the only people who really know what smart and good the nolans are are the studio executives, not us the geeks. Now that's what i call irony!

  • July 24, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Andillformthehead

    by Subtitles_Off

    That's all good, if you buy into it. Personally, I don't.<P>Still, the wall of computers appear in a room that was cleared of all equipment less than a day before, according to the plot. As if by magic. For someone who insists everything must be realistic you can't sell that.<P>You'd also have to be a magician to pull your school bus out of a wall and directly into position in a line of other school busses.<P>Look, I've admitted, moments that pull me out of a movie environment are different than yours. "And," Stuart Smalley said, "That's okay." But, if you can claim spandex is nonsense, then I can claim a fifty-pound muscle suit is equally nonsensical.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    What do i know, Teddy?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm a real fucking idiot.

  • July 24, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Catwoman? Fuck NO..I Smell Megan Fox...

    by conspiracy

    You know that shit would happen faster than Will Fucking Smith doing the Michael Jackson movie. No...No Fucking Catwoman.

  • July 24, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    First off, I like the Nolan Universe

    by Continentalop

    But it isn't realistic. It just appears realistic. It is about a vigilante who fights crime using only a couple non-lethal hi-tech gizmos and martial arts. Sure he wears a bullet proof vest, but you give Bruce Lee a bullet proof vest and some gadgets and he's still going to get offed by the mob or some street gang. <P> And lets not forget the fact that Batman once took on SWAT Team at the end of TDK without a gun or killing anyone. SWAT Teams are usually composed of ex SOF guys, so I find that highly unlikely. <p> I like the movies, but lets not pretend they are super realistic.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    There.....

    by Number9997

    ....is no Catwoman and as of now, there is no female lead being discussed.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by Andillformthehead

    Well yeah, it's fantasy of course. Within the context of the film the suit is lightweight. Joker would have to had orchestrated the line of buses. He also was one step ahead of the Batman, Gordon and Dent. I think within the "Nolanverse" he was selling the idea that Joker was step ahead of everyone and the suspension of disbelief kicks in at that point. How would the Joker know they would use the Ferries, etc, etc. Within this universe thing make sense that don't in ours.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Number9997, are you an insider?

    by YackBacker

    I'm late to the conversation, just wanted to check if you were involved in the production.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    And Wayne has a Tank...

    by Andillformthehead

    Why couldn't he have a room of monitors assembled quickly with "IBM" type resources at his disposal if he's just "building cellphones for the military". If these movies suck then which are the good (current) ones?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Yes

    by Number9997

    .....I am.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    And...

    by TedKordLives

    My workday has ended, so I'm gone. <P>Beetle Ho!

  • July 24, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Andillformthehead

    "appears realistic" That's it. As realistic as a man dressed as a bat can be.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Number9997 you are so full of shit

    by Continentalop

    Because if you were involved in the production of the new Batman movies you would so be calling me to work on them. <P> Prove me wrong...

  • July 24, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Granted, illformthehead

    by Subtitles_Off

    But only if you are willing to accept the things that make sense "within this universe." The film-makers job is to make you accept it. Nolan did his job well for you, but not for me. For me, if someone is screaming "look, I'm making the absurd believable," then I'm going to check him closely. <P>I'm never going to give Nolan a break, once he had his villain show up in BEGINS and explain everything like a second-rate Bond villain. I know I'm the only one holding him to these standards. In the end, it's my world, you guys are just borrowing my air.<P>I think that's the way everyone approaches their personal thing, whatever it is.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Number9997, a couple of questions

    by YackBacker

    You say Firefly leads to another villain- can you say who that is at this point? And is Harvey Dent really dead?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    panadole?

    by AsimovLives

    That's a fucking placebo!<br><br>I compared Jar jar Abram's filmmaking and his evil shit smile to killing of small aniamls. Your liking of Dawson's Trek is mere misguideness.<br><br>And i'm legitimized to thow any shit i like toward Dawson's Trek and the fucking mutant that directed it. because those betrayed my confidence and trust by delivering a fucking godawful horrible piece of shit "movie" that with it's mere touch can poison baby seals, pollute rivers, sterelize human testicles and give puppies rectal cancer.<br><br>Joking aside, it's not enough to point out the compelte stupidity and the utter lack of any basic notions of filmmaking that Dawnson's Trek suffers from. Dawson's Trek is the type of movie that seems to be made to be used as a teaching lesson of how not to make a movie. It's also a,lesson on how easy it is to make people eat up a pile of marketing bullshit, and how questionably they will lap it up as if it's breakfast. and how audiences and even critics and geeks today have no care and interes for standards anymore, as long here's explosions, emoc ahracters who scream paltitudes to aone another, fast ADD editing, expensive CGI and one or two hot piece of ass actress to distract the viewer from the banality and stupidity on display.<br><br>Dawson's Trek IS THE DEATH OF CINEMA, as both an art of a craft that peoplec an be proud of be part of, be they filmmakers or viewers. Dawson's Trek is THE DEATH OF CINEMA as somethign legit. It's also a piass on the face of every fillmaker who actuallt bust his ass trying to make the best mvoie possible, who use their talrnt and skills to present to the public a movie worth of their efforts and worth of the audience's pay. dawson's Trek proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that audiences, critics and geeks are lemings, ready to jump oput on the first thing that tries to sell as trendy anmd they do it without a second though, as if they are zombies froma really bad talian 80s zombie movie. Dawson's Trek is teachignthe stuidos they don't need to care anymore, the audiences, critics and geeks will eat up any thise they throw at them, as long the marketing departmentn pulls dumb stupid simplsitic tricks to fool the hoi polloi.<br><br>Well, let me tell you this, this hoi polloi is not at all satisfied at all with this shit. I never seen in my whole life a bigger betrayal of all things proper cinema as bad as Dawson's Trek.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah, he's an insider.

    by Subtitles_Off

    All the way up inside his own.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Continentalop.....

    by Number9997

    .....who the fuck are you? That comment makes you seem like you are out of touch with reality.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Professionals "inside the production"

    by Subtitles_Off

    lurk on Talkbacks, hurling epithets and typing "fuck" a lot.<P>And I've got a bridge to sell.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker.....

    by Number9997

    .....no I can't say and yes Harvey Dent will not be in the next movie, but his death is relevant to the film.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    "No I can't say"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Because he doesn't have any fucking idea.<P>Firefly, my ass.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Number9997....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I'm also on production of the movie. Maybe your people and my people can do lunch sometime???

  • July 24, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Subtitles, in defense of Nolan

    by Continentalop

    I think some of the blame for BB can be laid at Goyer's feet (actually a lot of the blame I think) and the studios. <P> And even the stuff in TDK I didn't like I wouldn't be surprised that the studio or someone else had a hand in. Remember, Nolan only has complete carte blanche now that TDK is this huge hit. Before this he still was susceptible to studio interference (shit Scorsese gets interference, what makes you think Nolan didn't). <p> Not saying Nolan is flawless, but I always thought I could feel things in both movies (but especially BB) that didn't fit the rest of the films tone.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    At least in Batman Begins they justified why the villain explaiend hjsi plot to Batman. He was doing psychologial torture,and he knew he was rachign at Batman, and hurting where it hurt the most. He knew that Batman had no really way out, that he would die,t hat that very nearly happened. Batman would had died right there, in the burning mansion, if not for the intervention of Alfred.<br><br>In most mvoies where the villain exoplains the plot, the hero mannges to escape by his own devices, becauis ethe villain was so dumb he left a easy weay out for the hero to exploit as soon th turned his back. In Batman Begins, the villain WINS THE SITUATION, and Batman was as good as dead. The vilalin made sure that Batman was to die with the knowledfge that his city was goign to be compekltly fucked up, and he could do nothing to prevent it. Batman is only rescued by an totally unexpected and unpredictable third party intervention.<br><br>Waht i admire aobut Batmna Begins and the work of Nolan is that he used well established conventions and cliches and turns them oj it's head, and makes them look anew and cool. That's fucking quality filmmaing. If only you knew what you are missing out.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Number9997, is Nolan signed on? Is his brother writing it?

    by YackBacker

    Are they looking to do more after this one? Is Joker in it? I take you at your word, so I'm gonna pepper you with questions.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Asi, buddy

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm not missing anything. Good night.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Problems with batman

    by BendersShinyAss

    While I love The dark knight - it did run the risk of going back to it's camp roots with the whole sonar and technology. Altho, it gave us batman with white eyes and THAT was genius. <p>batman begins doesn't fair so well in my book... it's bleak, dull and the action and acting is fairly pathetic. The bat tank chase was a real stretch of the imagination in the way of sheer power and physical ability - not to mention (as someone said before - and has been said time and time again) the thing crashes thru concrete walls then lands on a wooden roof with a little bounce in it's step. Don't give me momentum. what a pile. <p> Katie holmes was well replaced. fuck i can't stand that dumb shit.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    It's.....

    by Number9997

    .....Firefly. Believe what you want. I don't care. He is the only villain that can up the stakes.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    I bet money they are filming next year

    by enderandrew

    Director or not, script or not, they are following up the second grossing film of all time with a sequel. Nolan wanted three years between films. He wanted to film a movie in between. They'll give him that time. But if he isn't on board next year, they will get someone else. You don't believe me? They took the masterful X-Men 2, replaced the director with a hack, and X-Men 3 made more money. Studios are convinced they can do the same thing here.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by Andillformthehead

    Understood..with respect. <br> And no you are not the only one. Although I think the last issue you mentioned was a "Goyer" (anybody see "The Unborn"). Anyway the films have been progressively better and hopefully the cast and crew will return for another.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by Continentalop

    Obviously you take things way to serious. I think it was pretty apparent my statement was tongue-in-cheek and a joke. <P> And even if you are Chris Nolan I would say "fucking lighten up."

  • July 24, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    The only thing for me are the action scenes.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I cant tell whats going on the way they do em. <BR><BR> Get some slick action director and its on!

  • July 24, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    thank you, Sub

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    i'm really having a hard time understanding why people proclaim the Nolanverse to be soooo grounded in reality; above the inclusion of the more "far fetched" characters in Batman's Rouge Gallery (as if they all don't require the suspension of disbelief to a degree).<p> and i have a question: how does Batman show up at the party to save Rachel without any of the Joker's gang noticing him? i mean, Joker talks to Rachel, then Batman appears and punches him. but why didn't the goons shoot at Batman before he hit Joker?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan's achievement in the his Batman movies nolanverse is that he remains consistent. there's no easy ways outs, there's not deux ex machinas to save the day, thing shappen in logical and plausbvle fashion, as set in those movie's onw universe. And this is more then can be said about the vast majority of the blockbusters in existence right now that is not called Harry Potter.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The Joker....

    by Number9997

    ....is not in it. They are in discussions with JONATHAN only at this point. This movie will not arch to another one like TDK did at the end.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns

    by AsimovLives

    What nolan knows of actionis the stuff that the hjacks can't even dream exists. Nolan proves with his Batman movie,s and specially with The Dark Knight, he's far mroe knowledgable and adept at making action then the so called "slick" action movies directors. Nolan realy knows how to direct action, he knows what tools to use, what style to use, what WORKS BEST for the scene. He's no fucking Michael Bay or Jar Jar Abrams piece of mediocrity. And it shows. And he's the better for that.<br><br>Slick action directors? I piss on that bullshit!

  • July 24, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    jackknifed_juggernaut

    by Andillformthehead

    Where did Batman come from? It's his tricked out Penthouse. Also I would have been paying total attention to Ledger/Joker as well because nobody in the party was going to do anything.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by YackBacker

    Thanks for answering my questions up until this point. I'm gonna keep asking away until you tell me no mas. <p> Is Batman still an active vigilante before Firefly shows up or is he "retired?" Is Gotham better or worse as a result of the events in TDK? Do you like where things are going with this one?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by AsimovLives

    Well, we do agree on one thing, Katie Holmes as Rachael Dawes was indeed a mistake, and it was good she was replaced. Alright then.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    dawsons trek the death of cinema?

    by BendersShinyAss

    Hell no... that was the latest harry potter film. Now THAT was a film with very little fast edits, lacking any real 'ass' and with absolutely no story arc other than "Lets spend 3 hours so we can kill a main character" <p>Trek was awesome!

  • July 24, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    Sorry to disagree but you are. And that's the truth.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    will Bale have a decent "Bat-voice" in the next film?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    When Batman is using that sonar thing to save the hostages...I'm sorry, I can't tell what is going on. It's quick-cut, shakey closeups...images of what appears to be bodies flying around.<BR><BR> Thats the only issue I have...if they can fix that then the next Batman may be the best one yet.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Gibby, what about BIG LOB as Batman's sidekick?

    by YackBacker

    Christ, why did I open up this can of worms? Hehehe...

  • July 24, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I will criticize Nolan on one facet of his action d

    by Continentalop

    The actual fight scenes. I love the truck chase scenes in TDK and thought it was brilliant. But the actual fight scenes are way to cuttty for my taste. <p> I look at fight scenes being a little like dance numbers - I want to know that the guy can actually fight. When Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly danced, I could see he could really dance (unlike Richard Gere in Chicago where they just do a bunch of fast cuts to make it look like he can dance and are obviously hiding it). <P> Same with a fight scene. If you watch Michael Jai White in Black Dynamite you can see that he can fight - they can keep the camera on him for two-three minutes without a cut. <p> I'm not saying every fight scene has to be like that, but just once in awhile I want to believe that Bale/Batman can actually fight.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    The end.....

    by Number9997

    .....of TDK is a precursor to what happens. There will be at least one sequence where Batman has to fight his way out of a police blockade, so he is not retired. The city is worse because this villain causes mass destruction. I think the film will be decent because they are trying to reassemble the entire TDK team, but TDK is a tough act to follow. This film will be more action oriented.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 is gonna FUCKIN' RULE you bitches.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    When Reginald VelJohnson is unmasked as the new Joker!

  • July 24, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    i, too, had a problem with some of the shaky cuts

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    of the action, but i chalked that up to being so close to the screen in an IMAX theater (first movie i saw in one). maybe it was just crazy editing?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    That's what I meant too....the fight scenes.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    The car chases and stuff are fine.<BR><BR> I'm talking about when Batman is swinging around punching people. It's cut so fast and zoomed so close I can't tell what is going on. I simply assume Batman is kicking ass.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by YackBacker

    Well, TDK was about a lot of big ideas, which made it a phenomenal story. There were difficult themes and moral questions to consider. And what I felt made Batman a hero was his sacrifice at the end- taking his ego out of the equation. <p> From what you know at this point- will they continue with that approach (despite the added action)? Is the studio dictating anything or is this the Nolans' show? I know you said you can't say about who's running Firefly, but would I be insane to guess Ra's al Ghul or Talia are involved?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Is BIG LOB in this movie?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Did someone hear something about BIG LOB being in this?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Fight Scenes..

    by Andillformthehead

    Are you guys talking about TDK or BB? Because one of the things I though improved the most was that. The scene in BB by the docks is borderline unwatchable. But I enjoyed the scenes in TDK. During the fight at the end it seemed to me the camera was only moving in "Sonar" mode (like a bat" and the other stuff was straight ahead.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    You know how I know you're drunk ContiOp?

    by Laserhead

    Your typing has gone to shit. Obvious.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Actually I am not drunk Laserhead

    by Continentalop

    I am trying to wrap up here at work. I am writing as quick as I can between renders and exports. <p> I will be drunk later. <p> Sorry about the bad typing.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Hong Kong Scene

    by Andillformthehead

    When he basically "flew" into a skyscraper through wind resistant pane glass and beat the crap out of some dudes, darts away into the darkness for a few and then comes out and beats the crap out of the rest of the dudes..then get crats away by a c130? That sequence sucked?

  • July 24, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    just watched GI JOE with my son..

    by Six Demon Bag

    BIG LOB saves all the Joes from the Cobra La plants...professional.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    They're definitely going to do another one

    by jimmy rabbitte

    The Dark Knight made so much money, you *know* that Warner Bros. is interested in making another one. I just hope that Christopher Nolan is more interested than he would have us believe at this point. If he steps away as director, then the chances of the next film being great decrease sharply.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    It's......

    by Number9997

    .....never the Nolans' show 100%. It's an accountant's show, but they have free reign creatively speaking if they reassemble everyone from before. Just like the first two, there will be an underlying theme to this film that dictates how the characters evolve over the course of the film. And no Ra's is dead to. Organized criminal activity will continue to be the driving element behind the villain.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    What do I think?

    by JediTray

    I think Quint's an attention whore liar, but I guess we'll see.

  • July 24, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Bale was superb

    by pumaman

    But the voice is pretty terrible. I guess its all part of the disguise ..right?

  • July 24, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Number9997

    by YackBacker

    Thanks for chatting with me, I appreciate your talking about the movie. One last question- is The Penguin a member of this organized criminal activity? I read somewhere that Bob Hoskins was set for that role but it was cut from a previous movie.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    The Penguin.....

    by Number9997

    .....won't be in this film either.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Damn, Number9997 I tried!

    by YackBacker

    Hehehe, so I lied about that being the last question- when are they aiming to shoot this?

  • July 24, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    The Penguin not in it?

    by Continentalop

    Fuck it! I have officially lost interest. Villain deserves as much respect as the friggin' Joker (and anybody who disagrees obviously doesn't know that The Penguin used to be the ONLY villain that would out smart Batman and escape). <p> On that note, I am done with work and planning on getting tanked.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Well.....

    by Number9997

    .....the screenplay has to be right and Chris needs the stick surgically removed from his arse. Plus, the studio wants its very own 'Iron Man,' so Green Lantern is garnering much of the attention as far as DC characters go. That is going into production in Dec/Jan and the final product should be EPIC. For a new Batman, you are looking at a start date of late 2011.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Firefly Or Mysterio Work Well As Villians

    by Red Lantern

    I was actually thinking of Firefly as being a good fit for the way the films are going, in the same way Mysterio would have if Daredevil would have spawned a sequel. In both the Nolan Batman films, the entire city is in danger. AND, the way TDK ended, someone like Catwoman would not provide Batman the remption he needs in the eyes of the city. Harly Quinn would be a threat, if she picked up where the Joker left off. So could the Penguin if they made him a crime boss. At least one villian has to be enough of a threat to provide a reason for Batman to be back in good graces at the end of the film, possibly that's where Robin puts on the suit for the first time. Catwoman could be in it, but I see her as a secondary villian. One thing I don't see a need for, is the primary and secondary villian to work together. Hell, Catwoman could even work with Batman against Harly Quinn.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    There will....

    by Number9997

    ....be no Catwoman, Robin, or Penguin. The Organized Crime vs. GCPD narrative will be the underlying element.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    And....

    by Number9997

    ....this film will push the limits of PG-13 like TDK.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    So There Will Be A Harly Quinn?

    by Red Lantern

  • July 24, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Numbers..

    by Vic_McNulty

    is black mask the other villain?

  • July 24, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I can't tell you....

    by Number9997

    ....the other villain is. There will be no Harly Quinn. Most likely, it will end up being a generic mafia boss as that keeps continuity in check. Batman vs. GCPD is going to be a major element, so you are hard pressed to draft a screenplay with another villain to share time with Firefly,

  • July 24, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I will say....

    by Number9997

    ....that he's still Lt. Gordon. The new commissioner may be corrupt.

  • July 24, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    numbers..

    by Vic_McNulty

    ic ic... thanx for the answer..

  • July 24, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    number...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    how do you know all of this exactly?

  • July 24, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Tom Selleck for Poison Ivy

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

  • July 25, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    You guys do realize that...

    by Greggers

    Number9997 is probably a 13 year old from Poughkeepsie who is having the time of his life right now.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    well I don't believe...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    that dude for a minute.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Another shitty comic book film

    by MajorFrontbum

    to add to the pile of shitty comic book films.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I'm not gonna name names....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    but one of you stooges actually fucking believed him. Watch out, there's a gremlin behind you!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Catwoman, yes! But not as a villain, people, come on

    by Minxie14

    Catwoman is hardly a villain in the comics, and there's nothing far-fetched about her character. I bet that if Nolan were to feature her she'd be the way she is meant to be, a jewel thief who Batman runs into on Gotham's rooftops. She'll tease him and keep just out of reach, and he won't put any real effort into catching her anyway for obvious reasons. She's a sexy, mysterious woman who Batman finds interesting and, now that the public hates him and he's more alone than ever, he'll see her as a source of solace and escape. And like in the comics, she could even help him deal with the real villain of the story, because she could see or hear things while she's out and about in Gotham and relay that useful information to Batman. Bruce Wayne should meet her alluring alter ego, socialite Selina Kyle, at the same time, and he should be drawn to her too. Getting to know her should tempt him to consider giving up being Batman so he can have a life with her. So it is the perfect time to bring in this character into the Nolan Batman trilogy. An absolutely perfect villain would be Black Mask to complete the equation. You'd have a great story there because of his and Catwoman's personal hatred in the comics, and also because there's potential for a deeply personal conflict between him and Bruce Wayne. Roman Sionis should be a dark reflection of Batman (as is Selina too, in a way), because he had a similar upbringing and they were childhood friends. But he took such a starkly divergent path in life compared to Bruce. As a former friend, Batman/Bruce will struggle with fighting him because he wants to believe he can be redeemed. But ultimately, it is Batman who will become redeemed in the eyes of the public by fighting Black Mask. He will also, by then, have reaffirmed himself as the Batman, Batman as he is in the comics: Best actor to play him? GUY PEARCE. For Catwoman, I would go with a non-tabloid actress, nobody super famous who would overshadow their role, and someone with unconventional beauty and an alluring aura (her eyes in particular should be entrancing). And she needs to be the type of great actress who can portray a morally ambiguous person but still be likable to the audience. My choices are EMILY BLUNT and NATALIE DORMER. :)

  • July 25, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Um, Gordon was promoted to Commissioner in TDK

    by Subtitles_Off

    In case you needed any more proof that Numbers9997 has NOTHING to do with the production of the movies.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    "[Firefly] is the only villain that can up the stakes."

    by Subtitles_Off

    Even Goyer's not that dumb.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    James Gandolfini for the Penquin...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I'm not saying for him to do a pg-13 Tony Soprano, but I could definitely see him pulling off a sympathetic role. As for Catwoman, I say Fuck no to Angelina Jolie. That'd be like casting Depp as the Riddler. A shit idea.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Numbers9997...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    Fuck you you bullshitting cocksucker.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Can I state the obvious for a second?

    by Cotton McKnight

    The lighting guy had it coming. He was a fuckup and while Bale was a tad rude, every single thing he said was correct.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I have as much to do with the production as Numbers9997

    by Subtitles_Off

    And the villain in the third Nolan Batman movie will be The Riddler. He's the only one that is on par with The Joker as far as the mainstream audience is concerned. Besides, just like Two-Face, the character was so mishandled by Schumacher, it'll be a piece of cake for Nolan to redeem him.<P>It's a no-brainer, really.<P>Unless it's Orca.<P>Of course, Firefly really "ups the stakes." People are just dying for some Firefly heat.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Ebonic_Plague: Dark Knight Was Emotionally Vacuous

    by Media Messiah

    Yes, you are right, and it is because I am not a "yes man", like so many others, including you. When I see something flawed, I speak my mind, and try to fix it, or suggest that those flaws be fixed. Many don't like hearing the truth. You know, it is actually standard practice for Hollywood writers to receive a perfectly good, or great, script from Hollywood producers, even an alleged great one like "Tonight, He Comes"...and then rewrite it, as ordered by producers, execs, and stars like Will Smith, and or, directors. And do you know what those writers do? They don't argue the point, they don't try to fight "the group think mentality", if "the powers that be", who hired them, want them to turn a great script into trash--they just do what they are told...and they don't debate the issue, or offer advice. They simply take the job, and the check...and that is the reason why there is so much garbage being released in Hollywood today...and why we didn't get to see the (reportedly) best unproduced script in Hollywood, at the time, again...known as Tonight, He Comes...and why we got "Hancock", in its place. <BR><BR>As for the Nolan Brothers, they wrote a terribly flawed script in the form of The Dark Knight...and now, more...and more people, are coming out to admit that the film is not what it should have been. The lastest, a critic at Joblo.com, for instance.<BR><BR>I was at the forefront of the criticism from the beginning, while the majority of people, like you, just knuckled under and played parrots, agreeing with anyone who deemed Dark Knight a great film??? I am no parrot, and I have my own mind, and you can't argue that the group of Batman Vigilantes, Morgan Freeman and Chris Bale in China, and Harvey Dent becoming Two Face...in this film...added positively to the film, as they are the weakest points of the movie, and the story, overall. Edit out those scenes, and you have a better movie on your hands. Don't believe me? Do your own cut of the movie with a home PC movie editing program, and watch it. You will see that it simply plays better without these scenes, which are problematic for the movie, and make it play slower, and longer, than it should. Or just do something simple, get ahold of a copy of the script and redact those scenes...and, then...go back and re-read that script without them. Once more, you will find a better story, than the over bloated Nolan Brothers authored script, as turned in for the production. Those redacted scenes should have been replaced with scenes that showed what Rachel...meant to Bruce Wayne, and he, to her, love wise and how they interact within that love at its core...and Dent's reaction to it. As the film stands, it is emotionally vacuous. The only scenes we see of Bruce Wayne, is him standing, and sitting in suits, talking about the Joker...or reacting to him, or the reporter, who's threatening to out him. Absent of that, he is not shown with a personal life??? There is no third dimenson to his character...a character that plays one dimensionally. His Batman alter ego, also plays one dimensionally--very little humanity is given to either, and that is why this film failed, content wise. Dislike my opinion all you want, but you are in denial. Your loss.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Kurt Russel already did it...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I've been a batman fan my whole life and I only recall Firefly from the Cartoon Network show 'The Batman.' But, yea he really ups the stakes.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    while I respect other people's opinions (for the most part). Can you atleast agree that TDK is the best possible Batman flick that hardcore fans and movie goers alike can enjoy? That was the intent after the disaster that was 'Batman & Robin'.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    I have no time for any of you

    by acebandage

    Oldman and Bale ARE Gordon and Wayne. Nolan can leave and the Bat franchise would be better for it. Batman Begins was awesome! Dark Knight sucked! Gotham became Chicago...Nolan's call on that one! Batman's voice? Do you think Bale was in post production and had say over that? Hell no! Nolan's choice! No comic book-y villains in my movies about a comic book? Who's decision is that? Nolan! Dark Knight may have made a lot of money but a fan of the comics knows that it was shite! It ass-raped the comics when it came to certain characters, it was too long, it had horrible pacing and too many endings and had certain points where it went off on tangents for no reason (the accountant who figured out who Batman was?) Nolan has already said he has a strict "no Robin" policy! Hell, he totally "Meg Griffin'ed" Barbara Gordon in Dark Knight as if she doesn't exist so you KNOW there will never be a Batgirl! I don't care about any of this anymore! I know, I'm one of three people who didn't like Dark Knight, but really, if any of you knew the comics you wouldn't either. New director, new vision, same cast. That's all I have to say!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    And with that.....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    ...the birth of a new geek trend began. The "We actually disliked TDK the whole time" club! Sign me up!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    hey, dickface...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I am a fan of the comics. While I agree, TDK wasn't a perfect film (8/10). It's still the best your little bat-heart is gonna receive. And if you were a fan of the comics, you would of noticed the real heroes of the stories are B-man and Gordon (fuck Robin, too much baggage for a third film).

  • July 25, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    OK, I've a couple beers in me...

    by Continentalop

    ...and the Percodan is starting to mix well with it. Hopefully this improves my writing. <p> Yeah numbers is full of shit. I don't even think Yackbacker believed him - I think he was just stringing him along.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    ItsJust_NotCool_Anymore_Baby: Batman Begins Is That...

    by Media Messiah

    ...movie, although it is flawed also. I think if you mixed some of the harder elements from The Dark Knight...the bank robberies, and the cold blooded murders, even the street combat that felt like the DeNiro/Pachino movie "Heat"...and even the ferry boat sequence, with the overall film, which was Batman Begins, and the death of Rachel sequence, you'd have a better movie. I think ultimately, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight should have been once movie. I think the weaker parts of Batman Begins came with the Scarecrow scenes...and the silly "I want to poison the city" climax. Cut that out, and add the adult intensity of the ferry boat scenes from TDK...and the Rachel death scene, as I said...and you'd have one hell of a movie. That said, I feel that the new Batman films are missing another element also, and that would be some much needed humor. Not comedy, no...or slapstick, I am talking about humor that is naturally organic to the scenes, like the humor we find in everyday normal life. "Star Wars", and "Empire Strikes Back", "Raiders of The Lost Ark", and even "The Rocketeer" successfully exhibited that kind of humor...and it helped the films to better involve the audience in the onscreen proceedings. The best films, are films that engage all human emotions, rather than just a few. The new Batman films seek to apologize for garbage like "Batman and Robin", "Batman: Forever"...and "Batman Returns", and even the original Michael Keaton "Batman" film--and they did so, by going to the opposite extreme, just a bit too far, making the new films too self important, and too serious, to the point of self parody at times, and accidentally so.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    That's One Movie, Not Once...Sorry For The Typo

    by Media Messiah

  • July 25, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    I agree with Dark Knight being about an (8/10), maybe even (8.5/10). However, I think that Batman Begins is the far better film. Everything in in just worked for me. The action, the pacing, the origin that was actually well done and just about everything else in it was better than TDK. Even the look of Gotham City was better. Batman Begins (9/10) for Batman Begins. I really love both films, but in my opinion, TDK is not quite as good a BB.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    A lot of words being wasted on spewing OPINION about TDK

    by Dr Gregory House

  • July 25, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Just not cool...

    by acebandage

    I agree! The real heroes of the stories ARE Batman and Gordon! Robin was Bruce's return to caring about the world and himself again. When he took in Dick Grayson, he saw a side of himself when there was a chance to NOT take the path he had chosen, it was his reconnection to the world and brought him off the self destructive path he was on to try to pay back as much of the bad element as he could before it finally destroyed him. I wouldn't say "fuck Robin" but I also agree I wouldn't say we need him now. And, by the way, I DID actually dislike TDK the whole time.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    and No Not Cool...

    by acebandage

    I Can't agree that TDK is the best Batfilm because I thought Batman Begins was FAR superior! And I don't appreciate being called Dickface by someone who claims to respect other people's opinions...for the most part.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah, "Batman was emotionally vacuous?"

    by Continentalop

    If anything the film was TOO emotional. Bruce Wayne is a man who has dedicated his entire life to fighting crime - to becoming a masked vigilante who can stop criminals using only his brains and his fist. And do it ALONE. That isn't the type of guy to be filled with a lot of personal anguish over his love triangle with Rachel. He is a man of action and resolve, not hissy fits and tossing and turning at night wondering "if she loves me?" <p> In fact your complaints about the Bruce Wayne character is what I wanted MORE of. And by more I mean less - less so called "third dimension". I don't want Bruce Wayne to have a personal life - he shouldn't have a personal life. Being Batman is a huge fucking sacrifice (hence why maybe he wanted Dent to take over as White Knight and let him retire). You have to be 100% focused. I thought Nolan had Bale be to willing to open up to Rachel, and to willing to show how he felt about her. If not always to her, to Alfred and even Dent. <p> Was the film flawless? Far from it. But the majority of problems I had with the film were minor and probably issues of personal taste. You seem to be inventing problems or exaggerating them just to take the movie down a notch. <p> I would never put it up there with Godfather or Taxi Driver, but I don't thing anyone needs to be embarrassed by being a fan of this movie. <P>

  • July 25, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Dr Gregory House: Somebody Had Better Write...

    by Media Messiah

    ...more than one sentence here, or we'll have a lot of boring Talkbacks. This isn't Twitter, and its limited texting capability, so I suggest a full debate, worth more than one sentence. I may be glib, but I have made valid points by making the extra effort to do so. You however, are being a bit lazy...and that is why film studios continue to be lazy in respect to the movies they are giving us. All the major films this years have been lousy, save for "The Hangover" and "He's Just Not That Into You"...both films being surprising heartfelt and enjoyable to me. However, from "Star Trek", "Terminator: Salvation" and "Wolverine", and "Up"...to "Angels & Demons", "Transformers 2", and "Harry Potter And The Half Blooded Prince"--these blockbusters have all been horrible movies, truly a shocking number, and sequence of bad films, back to back...and some of which were praised by bought critics, just like TDK--a pattern, don't you think??? This is what Hollywood gives you when you just sit on your hands, and fail to demand better. You get what you ask for...and then you pay for it!!!

  • July 25, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry Dr House

    by acebandage

    Did you think talkbacks were supposed to be based solely on fact and not opinions? I must have mistaken this for an open forum for people to discuss their opinions. My bad!

  • July 25, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    If I MAY interject an opinion here...

    by acebandage

    I thought Star Trek and Up were GREAT! I agree with you that the others sucked ass...but that, by the way, is just my opinion.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Continentalop: Yes, Vacuous

    by Media Messiah

    The Batman films have also become like Groundhog Day. How many times do we have to see Bruce Wayne lose his parents, and react to that??? We get it already, a criminal's actions turned him into a vigilante, but isn't there something more to this guy, and his life, that we can find-out??? Doesn't he have 3 dimensions to his emotions, and his humanity? Or how about Commissioner Gordon, Alfred, Rachel, Harvey Dent, anybody???!!! The only emotions reflected in the Batman films are dour emotions...and that is limiting to the story, and the characters that fill it. Cover your bases, as a writer, director, producer, exec, and studio, that's all I am saying.<BR><BR>If you want a demonstration of a great writing, check out Serenity. The film has a low budget, yes, but boy did Whedon know how to make fully dimensional characters (at least, the main leads)...and make us feel them, their fears, loves, bravery, anger, treachery, friendships, humor, their tears, jokes, laughter, and their agendas. TDK failed to do that, as all of the Batman films, so far, have failed to do. The early 90s Batman animated series puts all of the live action Batman films to shame, including the flat and boring Christian Bale starring films, which include his largely sterile and emotionally disconnected performance.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Acebandage: Okay...We Can Agree To Disagree About Trek & Up

    by Media Messiah

    I could go into details about those films, and why I found them flawed, but, my heart isn't into it.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    acebandage...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I don't know what kinda face you have. People tend to get rude on these boards. No hard feelings, mate.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I remember reading a review....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    somewhere saying that TDK's biggest flaw is that it runs on and on. While I can agree with that, everything else that runs along with the movie makes up for it in it's entirety. Making it quite literally a "Rollercoaster Ride."

  • July 25, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I still think that guy that tried to blackmail Wayne

    by lockesbrokenleg

    should become The Riddler.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    he should be...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    the only problem is is that no one knows who the guy is...

  • July 25, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Screw Health Care

    by Wrath4771

    Obama needs to get on everyone to make a third Batman movie. That's what the country really wants and needs. His presidency and legacy depends on it.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon Levitt for Joker re-cast

    by blckmgk13

    Just saying.... it could really work.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    But Wayne saw him, and so did Gordon when Wayne

    by lockesbrokenleg

    rammed the car and saved the guy. Also, Fox knows who he is. The Joker did too. Say that he is enraged that he was almost killed by Wayne, etc, and he goes into the mob and finds a mob boss by the name Penguin.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    hurumph

    by The_Ritty

    I want Michael Keaton to come through from his Batman universe all bitter of a angry (like an eastwood type) and hunt down the criminals who become villans in his unvierse further framing batman and take the "joker" role from The Dark Knight Returns...can someone make this for me? I need Keaton back in the cowl for the love of god no more Bale I'm tired of him shitting himself every time he's Batman.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Ok, each there own but Serenity?

    by Continentalop

    Sorry, I find Whedon's writing to be hipster chic and geek-boy fantasy at its worst. The characters in Whedon's films strike me as one-dimensional: bogus characters who's mannerisms and actions don't ring true at all. They are soap opera characters in a sci-fi movie. But that is only my opinion. <p> As for Batman, well I hate to pull out this cliche but character is action. All we have to see about Bruce Wayne’s character is what he does, and what he does is devote himself to fighting crime. That is his need, and that says a lot about him. By adding these other elements (or beyond just a couple of other desires he has) you would actually be undermining his character. It says a lot about Bruce Wayne that he doesn’t have many interest or many people besides a few. <p> Do you know anything about Sean Connery's Bond's personal life other than the fact that he likes to bed women, has a license to kill and likes his Martini's shaken not stirred. What was his family life? What are his goals besides serving her Majesty? What is his pet peeves or what are his ambitions? <p> If you think the old Bond character wasn’t that well developed than what about Popeye Doyle from the French Connection? He had no personal life other than an occasional girl he picks up. We know nothing about his family or ambitions. Why? Because his life was devoted to being a cop, and that says a lot about his character. <P> Same thing with such characters as Dirty Harry, Bullit, Harry Caul, Alain Delon in Le Samurai, The Man With No Name, Yorijimbo, Walker from Point Blank. None of these characters have any other personal life outside of their professional ones (or a very limited one) and what they did in the movies basically says everything about them. And TDK reveals more about Bruce Wayne/Batma’s personal lie and family history than any of those characters. <p> This idea of showing this shopping list of human emotions is a false criteria for this or any other movie. What you are asking for isn’t a character but just characterisms. The question is what he displays consistant with his character and stay within the themes and story of the movie, and does it feel “real” within this universe. You might find the character of Batman boring, and that is a fair assessment, but it is consistant with who his character is – a zealot crimefighter. If Batman had been a character who’s emotion were all over the map and who had a million conflicting feelings and an enormous personal life that would be as false and as wrong as having Harry Caul from the Conversation open up and tell everyone his personal life to everyone he met.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Batman3

    by grendel69

    Actually I said Guy Pearce for Riddler before it was hinted at awhile back. He would be great and I can definitely see him in the part. John Depp? Please, the guy has become boring and tedious. And yes I think Nolan can make Penguin work. I think we'll get Riddler and Catwoman though - because of the delemma falling in love with someone whos morals are the complete opposite of Rachels would cause for Bruce Wayne. And Asimov.....I agree with you about Dawson Trek. A complete piece of shit of a movie that exemplifies everything wrong with cinema today. Joker was supposed to appear in Batman 3...I dont know, how about Ben Foster(think in 3:10 to Yuma)

  • July 25, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    "Joseph Gordon Levitt for Joker re-cast"

    by AsimovLives

    They better!!! I can't think of anybody else better to fill the clown shoes!<br><br>And you know what? I think nolan thinks so too. I mean, he has casted Joseph Gordon Levitt for Joker re-cast for his latest movie, Inception. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!

  • July 25, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by AsimovLives

    Friend, if you thibnk that the exacrable and dumb retarded Dawson's Trek is a good movie and the latest Harry Potter the death of cinema, then give up your geek credentials, you don't know what you are talkign about. The latest Harry Potter SAVED THE HONOUR OF THE BLOCKBUSTERS this year. so far it's the only single blockbuster with any true merit to that. It's the only blockbuster that an adult can watch without feeling his intlligence insulted, AND IT'S AFUCKING KID'S MOVIE! The irony of that is so thick, one would need a broadsword to cut through it.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    I agree with what you say about the fight sceens and how they should be presented. however, i cut slack on nolan's shooting and editing style for his Batman movies in that it's clear that is intention is that when Batman fights, he scene is seen from the perspective of the goons, not Batman's. Which means for them, Batman is like this lightning speed dark object that gets them before they can even realise what hits them. The use of disorientating camera and editing, in a rare moment, works to the mvoie's advantage, because they have to sell the idea that Batman is almost supernaturally fast. And there is no human being on Earth that could realistic sell that no mater what a brillant amrtial artist he is. Specially dressed with the batsuit. Really, it's because of the bat suit that they have to cur around it. Bale himself is pretty agille doing the movie,s as seen in the making off docs, but he's still not faast enough to sell Batman's super figh speed. Nobody could sell that, not if they wanted to make it look plausible. It's clear that nolan wants to avoid the "villains goes after the hero one at a time" for his Batman. He wants to sell the idea that Batman can go on numerous attackers all at the same a time simulateneously. that is impossible to achive ina fall back and clear shot framming wihtout looking POSITIVELY FAKE ASS! So, Nolan goes for the second best option, wehich is, shot the fight scenes from the perspective of the the goons. And that means, present the whole thing as confusing, maddening, disorientating. And Nolan is absolutly right in doing so!<br><br>And yeah, the truck chase scene is fantastic! Michael Bay might have the (FUCKING UNDERSERVED!!!!!) reputation for making car chases, but it's nolan who actually deliver the goods... in spades! Molan alone knows more about car chases then all the hacks today combined... and then multiply by 10!

  • July 25, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Paris Hilton IS Poison Ivy

    by RMA

    Hellzapoppin...it's better than Drew Barrymores version...that one didn't even control plants.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    by seansarto

    Yer probably spot-on about Hearst's people puttin' the kibosh on Kane..I wasn't there in Welles days but I'm definitely feelin' that same insider sabotage stuff from another "bruce" ..This one in the music industry...an' his people(lawyers, talent agency...Etc)...Yeah, that one.. the BS, "boss" ..who wants the obama "black" boy wonder to be his understudy because it doesn't undermine his primary market of middle-class monies while maintaining the American "humanitarian", "man of the dispossessed" franchise that he tries to broker as his “shtick” alone. ( Please, God, forbid the “Nolan” universe from re-imagining the “boy wonder” as a black ghetto constituent because of the market appeal of such…but they will if it’s in their interests to do so…They are just comic book characters….if they make one penny it’s pretty much easier money then most jobs.) That’s Hollywood…..the bottom line…if more welfare recipients go to the movies…then it’s in the industry’s interests to expand welfare. Right? It's crazy. But if yer in Hollywood the feelin' is a palpable one. An' they pull all kinds of intimidations an' threats that they can get away with….These on-line blogs, in terms of brainstorming, make the ridiculous amounts of money spent on script re-writes hardly justifiable. The fans are getting headhunted now…That’s the real sort of switch from Schumacher to Nolan.. Some of the ideas I’ve read here are moneymakers. If not great, well-thought out stories on their own Anyways, Frank Miller is gonna take a lot of heat an' BS for not bein' a Obamatron...Jest like Hearst's folks dished it...He’s out there amongst the “beautiful” ones circles now and he’s kinda geeky an’ creepy in the way the media presents him…He’s no real lover of the whoredom that Hollywood is but he’s the real deal in terms of “comic book” artists…(He’s gotta watch his back they don’t try an pin some kinda Phil Specter maneuver on him)…As far as his film work, all I've seen is "300" (maybe that’s really not enough to consider) ...Of that film, I thought he didn't push the envelope as far as he should of in terms of the image...and I don’t mean “sensationalism”, I mean the “aesthetic”, that “fresco”-look, .that he trail-blazed in Daredevil/Wolverine/The Dark Knight Returns..(In the 80’s it was really Miller, George Perez and John Byrne who made comic books bankable)…”300” was a money maker... Now what I also see as a concurrent trend in Photographic Imaging , and thus the Motion Picture industry, is that the technology of 'Adobe Photoshop" (et.al.) has made the photographic image entirely malleable for the retail market for quite a while now and it's only a matter of time before that malleability is seen as mainstream...Most young people have been exposed far beyond just photographic realism and will probably be inclined to develop more aesthetic criteria in their own artistry (which is basically what happened in the course of the Fine Arts)…So Miller jest kinda sows those the fields right now...Anybody could have seen that “The Spirit” was going to be a flop (it had that “geriatric” condescending appeal about it that was along GOP lines...but that wasn't the point in greenlighthing it. The point is that there is a political/economic agenda being determined and promoted through every channel of entertainment and media these days. That is the deciding factor even in something considered as innocuous and harmless as a comic book character. The propaganda involved has taken on deafening tones.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Number9997

    by AsimovLives

    Let Nolan have the stick still stuck to his ass, it has served him well for the two previous Batman movies. If nolan doesn't act like that, arrogant to a fault, and put the accountants in line, then Batman would fall back to the typical idioticy that blockbuster sagas goes whenever the original and better talented original director is removed. Case in point, there's precendent to the Batman saga, when they hired Joel Schumaker for the later two bat sequels. I'm hardly tim Burton's biggest fan, nor i'm the world's greatest Shumaker detractor, but as soon the Batman franchsie was taken off Burton's and the original director's hands, it went tits up and fucked up.<br><br>The best way to fuck up the nexty Batman movie is to either remove Nolan or to try to reign in. The fucking accountants, need to learn, once and for all, that it's the fillmakers hwo know how to make movies, not the accountants. The accountant's medling is the real reason why most blockbusters today are compelte shit, they hire the most untalented hacks imaginable to deliver the movies and the result is alwaus a big pile of shit. This fucking obidient to their master voice's hacks withouit any shread of decency, self-respect or talent, shits like Michael Bay, McG or Jar Jar Abrams. Fuck them!<br><br>It's Nolan or bust! and if they find nolan "arrogante" fuck you, that's the price to pay for quality. Though i suspect whatht ehfucking accountants call arrogance on Nolan is the fact that Nolan tells them to shut up with their stupid ideas and let him do the fucking job.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Assimovlives

    by seansarto

    The last post was meant as a response to your comments.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:41 a.m. CST

    "Asimov" not "Assimov'

    by seansarto

    My mistake...enough said.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Miller, Perez and Byrne??

    by RMA

    While I'm not denying the impact each have had on comics in their way, putting the success of comics in the '80s down to these guys is like saying the US won WWII... Let's not forget Claremont, Wolfman, McFarlane, Jim Lee, Larsson all had a massive impact on comic sales. Hell...even Rob Liefeld had a huge impact on the sales of New Mutans / X-Force.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!! Hey, acebandage, in here!

    by AsimovLives

    I had it! I really had it!!!! fuck's sakes, i going to do it!!!<br><br>Dude, tell me, prove me, where the fuck is there any evendience f the so caled greatness of Dawson's Trek? Show me soemthing from the fucking movie where it can ube used to prove how fucking great that piece of shit is! and bno use of saying "i had fun", that shit doesn't hold water. Use scene sform the fucking movei where you can prove, clearly and rationally, why the fuck that retarde piec eof shit Dawson's Trek moronic bullshti should be mistaken for a good movie. This better be reallty fucking good!

  • July 25, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Catwoman?

    by The True Priapic

    Natalie Portman?Speaking of La Portman, isn't it about time she got her tits out?Traci Lords as Catwoman?Jenna Jameson?Actually,no.Better not,thay look like baseballersd mitts now........Viva Natalie!!

  • July 25, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Ribbons

    I think you made a mistake comparing Hancock to The Dark Knight because, besides for the fact that they're superhero films and you happen to think they both suck, there aren't really any similarities to illustrate your point. Despite the money that it made, fans and critics sure didn't seem to "knuckle under the parrot pressure" or whatever and pretend they liked Hancock, nor was The Dark Knight's script compromised by stars or producers as far as any of us know. So what does one have to do with the other? <br> <br> Either way, I'll take your challenge in terms of justifying those three subplots, although I have a feeling the fact I liked the movie at all means it doesn't make a difference to you what I have to say. The Batman copycats demonstrated that Bruce and the Joker weren't the only two people in Gotham playing dress-up, which was an angle I personally liked because it made their own behavior seem more plausible and also demonstrated early on the downside of placing the law in the hands of a vigilante (people who don't necessarily know what they're doing either hurting themselves or others as a result). The Two-Face subplot was so integral to the DNA of the story that I don't know how you can even argue that the movie would be better without it. At the beginning of the film, Harvey Dent is a white knight, but he's also a lucky man: he's got his looks, his career, his fiancee and, just in case those weren't obvious enough, a bullet that was meant for him just happened to jam in court. When those things are taken away from him, he suddenly finds it much harder to worry about anybody else. A little over-the-top, maybe, but it complements the ferry scene at the end where each group of people tries to rationalize why it's morally right for them to blow each other up. And it's also pretty true-to-life, in my opinion; it's hard to be decent men in an indecent time. I wouldn't say the Hong Kong scene is necessary in any sort of thematic way, but I also never really got the hatred for it, even among people who generally like the movie. It's like ten minutes. Anyway, whatever. You don't have to agree with anything I just said, but I figured if you got a look at one person's take on it you might consider that not everybody who likes The Dark Knight just does it because they feel like they're supposed to. Plus it's kind of depressing to think that "the groupmind" has such a pervasive effect on all of our lives, yourself included.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    RMA

    by seansarto

    I'm talkin' mostly about those few tender years before the market flood when comic books spiked from 25 cents to a dollar...The indies kinda came in on those waves....Claremont kinda took the X-men down a notch...Then it was all about spin-offs, mini series..etc..I couldn't afford comic books after the 80's.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Ribbons

    I do agree that the character of Batman was a little bit of a cipher emotionally, which would probably be my one criticsm of the movie; he was overshadowed by almost all of his foils.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Reason for the Hong Kong scene

    by Continentalop

    I don't like the Hong Kong scene, I don't think the movie needs it to make the film work, BUT I know why it is in there: it shows why Gotham needs Batman. He can work outside of the law in ways that Gordon and the police can't. <p> Hong Kong was never going to extradite Lau, so the criminal world knew he was safe with their money and info about their operations. HOWEVER, Batman doesn't obey international law and it shows why he is an effective crimefighter in Gotham, despite the fact he doesn't kill. It also shows why the underworld has to turn to The Joker - Batman is an enemy they can't handle because he operates outside of what they are used to.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Don't Expect Dark Knight 2

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    This movie will not escape the hype machine. It's dug in it's own hole where most people will expect it to 'out do' the DK. This has to be it's own film outright, not just (or "not even") a sequel to DK.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    seansarto

    by AsimovLives

    Thanks for the coment and the correction, friend.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    ThePorkChopExpress

    by AsimovLives

    I think you are very right about that. I can control my expectatiosn pretty well, did i that for The Dsrk Knight, and to my great advantage. And i suspect in many of the people, whose to proclaim emotionalism as the highest virtud,e the pack who beleives that "i had fun" is the right way to judge a movie, those people will be easy pickings for the hype... and they will be extremely disapointed if the movie doens't match impossible hype, evne if the movie is a masterpeice as good if not better then The Dark Knight. It will be the SW prequels all over again.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by seansarto

    Yer welcome...my pleasure...Gotta take a break now.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    This is what i really dig about you: evne on a scene you are not enamiorated with, you still understand the reason behind it and don't dismiss out of hand because it's not your favorite or because that's not something you psonally wished in a Batman movie. I admire this level of intellectual integrity and rationality. This is why i can never get tired of reading your posts. Kick ass, sir, i take my hat off in respect. Fucking professional!

  • July 25, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    seansarto

    by AsimovLives

    Don't be too long, friend, the fun is just starting.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by AsimovLives

    Great post as well, freind. You and Continentalop are kicking all sorts of ass and doing so with intelligence, reason, well articulated arguments and elegance. I should take your example more often.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST

    The True Priapic: Emily Blunt is Catwoman or bust!

    by AsimovLives

    Accept no substitutes.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Paris Hilton IS Poison!!

    by AsimovLives

    Get that fucking bitch out of the hallowed Nolan's Batman movies. That bitch would pollute the movies with her special brand of retardness and mediocrity. The bitch isn't even that pretty!

  • July 25, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Totally agree with you on most of what you're saying on TDK, but as for Star Trek, all I can say is: Yes, there are definitely plot discrepancies. That doesn't take away from the fact of the history of the franchise. Insurrection was meh, Nemesis was worse, a complete abortion of everything that Star Trek deserved (especially TNG). They needed a fresh take, a fresh look, and again, there were plot conveniences, but ultimately (especially if you take the comic into account, and from what is understood, some deleted scenes), it's what Star Trek needed: to take the charm and the meaning of the original, to re-do it in a loving way, but in a way that brought back the mainstream, to make it a viable commercial property again. For fuck's sake, ST: Enterprise wasn't going to do that.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    They haven't got Batman right yet, so

    by Star Hump

    FUCK IT. Give 'em another chance. How lovely. Another shit-throated moody cipher in a kevlar bat "costume." Fucking Bat-Iron Man. AGAIN. Let's make Batman REALISTIC! Oh, but this time he can turn his neck. And maybe Alfred will be 115 this time, and fucking Chinese. Let's have the idgit get older and older. Bring in Robin, too. I want to hear the Dark Knight say, "I'm the goddamned Batman." FUCK THE MUDHOLE DC! BRING IN NOLAN AGAIN! Please find another celebrity who is about to die before you do though. Maybe Amy Winehouse can play Killer Frost.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    grendel69

    by AsimovLives

    Kudos to you, friend. Good to see another who has not drank the Jar Jar Abrams kool-aid. Rock on!<br><br>forthe return of the Joker, i always have been partial to the casting of Joseph Gordon Levitt. There's lots of thigns going on for him. First and foremost, he's a really very good young actor. Secondly, he's an uncanny look alike to Heath Ledger. And by coincidence, by 2010/2011 he will be the same age that Ledger had when she shoot The Dark Knight. I know this two last arguments might not be the most important elements to decide to cast him as The Joker, but you can't deny that it helps! And that he's a really bloody good actor! also, take into consideration that Nolan hired himfor his latest movie he's shooting, Inseption. Coincidence? I don't think so!

  • July 25, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I've had what, one, two beers?

    by ChuckImania

    They don't need to worry about the casting of a Robin, in fact fuck the idea of including Robin altogether; that character does nothing but add faggotry to the franchise, so much that a Richard Simmons would add "Wow, that was fucking gay" after he's done giving his boyfriend a hand job during the the trailer of the prequel. Bale is a fine Batman, but needs to stop taking every role tosses his way. The man isn't as dimensional as he believes; Batman, and coconut cholos are his foray (see Harsh Times).

  • July 25, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Eva Green from CASINO ROYALE as Catwoman.<p> My spunk as the cream on her whiskers.

  • July 25, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    ChuckImania

    by AsimovLives

    You cut too short a picture of Bale The Magnificent.<br><br>But you are completly right about Robin

  • July 25, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 25, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Yes!!!!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Do I get to slate Star Trekwars again?

  • July 25, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Damn you Jar Jar Abrams

    by AsimovLives

    Damn you Jar Jar Abrams

  • July 25, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Comandante kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    It's Dawson's Trek.

  • July 25, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Nnf...ungh...Batman 3....fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

    by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR

    That's it...mmmm I'm gonna come! Gotta be quick, my mum's bringing me my waffles in my basement lair and it takes me ten minutes to get my fat fuck ass clothes back on! Rargh!

  • July 25, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR

    by AsimovLives

    Your contribution to this talkback is mind boggling... bad!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by MorganLeafy

    Good, not great. Heath Ledger deserved all the praise he got, but Nolan made some serious mistakes. Why was Batman himself such a bland character in this movie? Nolan didn’t seem interested in him at all. He also sinned against the principal rule in a (super) hero-movie: making the bad guy the underdog. As I remember Batman had all these gadgets (including that rather lame sonar device) where The Joker had only his intelligence and evil charisma. Where’s the excitement, the challenge in that? Isn’t it rather trivial that Batman comes out on top? No, what I really would like to see is something like Memento again from Nolan. He should leave Batman to someone with a little bit more visual flair. Like Burton maybe?

  • July 25, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan has visual flair to sell! just bnecause it's not of the most obvious and mundane kind doesn't mean he doesn't have it. It's easy to be impressed with the gothky stuff that Burton is borignthe shit out of audeinces for 20 years straight. It's anothe rthing to have a clear visual style that perfectly serves a story instead of interfering with it.<br><br>Nolan is the real deal, and it's too bad you can't appreciate. Though luck. What you call flair, i call being flashy for it's own sake, and not the story. Fuck that shit, that's the province of the hacks.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Matthew Fox as the Ridder

    by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR

    No really... I don't rate him in general and his characters are easy to hate, but watch how he's given Jack in Lost a jaded, poignant quality in the newest season and maybe you'll see it... anyone get what I mean? Or do I go back to lamenting my virginity?

  • July 25, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight is a great movie

    by AsimovLives

    Deal with that, contrarians.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    And what is this bullshit about Bale being bland in TDK?

    by AsimovLives

    what is this now, every actor needs to act in hystronics to have his quality acting noticed? Waht fucking bullshit is this? Peo+ple need to be hammered in the hand to notice a performance? What the fuck is wrong with this people? how ther fuck you can call yourselves movie geeks and sport this kind of nonsense? For fuck's sakes, people, you are geeks, not hicks!!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Robin could work his character could literally support the 3rd f

    by ThePilgrim

    ploot structure. But he can't be the Robin everyone remembers. He has to be the failed wannabe superhero, and I don't mean that in a comedic way. <P> You have an adult who is a security guard for a food processing plant. His father was in law enforcement of some kind. He was killed after threatening to speak out on the pay off police members. <P> Robin always wanted to be like his father, He never passed the entrance exam for the force, he always though that it was fixed, and yes his name should be Robin. Not his identity. Cause lets face it. Robin is a stupid name for a hero. A play on his original character name Dick Grayson- see's his costumed hero's name as Grey. <P> After the joker/batman incidents. Robin decides to take matters into his own hands. He listens to police band radios. He spies on mob figures. He crashes a drug deal, shit goes bad and he kills bad guys to survive this failed bust attempt. Batman is hunting robin down now since he's a killer. Robin stops another large scale crime. Robin killing everyone in sight. Batman shows up.. He subdues the other thugs and then he attacks Robin. Robin is confused. This what you do batman, you are my idol, my hero I want to be just like you . Batman tells robin that he's perverted scum, and murder is never the answer. Batman subdues Robin and leaves him there at the crime scene. The police arrest Robin, they figure out who he is who his father was. It doesn't matter, he killed people. He's given a life sentence. Ok you see how jilted Robin feels now. Robin goes to jail and of course people know who the fuck he is, and they punish him for it. He's beaten, he's raped, and eventually he's shanked. In the infirmary he makes friends with a character littered in cryptic tattoos. His face is missing- like it was skinned and all the major features where removed no ears no nose it looks deliberate. No finger prints nothing. He is referred to as MR. E and John Doe. The police do not know who MR. e is or what he did to get into the jail. He appeared after the Riots. They found him with a skinned off face covered in those fresh tattoos with his finger prints removed, since several prisons burned the bodies of the inmates and staff during the riots. Mr. E identity is untraceable, and thats some fucked up shit. At any rate they escape. <P> Robin returns to his police band monitoring shit and mob spying. Figuring the bat will show up eventually. Robin catches some action on the radio he goes to the scene sure enough batman shows up. He subdues the bad guys and takes off. Robin follows him. Batman meets up with Gordon. Robin figures it all out right then and there. The vigilante shit is a rouse. Batman and Gordon are lying to gotham to protect something. Robin tells the riddler about it. The Riddler meets up with the mob with this info. They dig up Harvey Dents grave. The riddler tells the bosses he has a plan but he needs the help of his Friend to see it through. Cut to Harly disguised a nurse breaking in arkum and freeing the joker. The riddler and the joker with the help of the mob devise a plot to defame the police and gothams public figures and place the city under siege with a viral marketing gig that incorporates bombing fires and chemical attacks. The joker sets out to find out what really happened to dent and who the batman really is. I can't pull this shit outta my ass with what little time I've mulled this over it, but what obviously happens is gotham citizens feel betrayed and controlled by the law, they riot. Batman tries to stop it, the riddler turns himself in and he kills himself. It very important that he kills himself because his purpose was to be more than what he is. Think about columbine went and how those two assholes had plans of infamy and wanted to die while doing what they did. Well the riddler wants to die too, but he really wants to fuck the batman over and those tattoos are his last riddle. What does it entail fuck if i know I'm making this shit up as I type. <P> The joker sets a trap up in the maylay and he figures out batmans identity. He informs all of gotham who the batman really is. Robin comes to his sense he tries to rescue batman and the joker or harly or a high up mob figure kills him. It concludes with batman really loosing it all and the joker finding twoface in a self induced coma at waynes house or the batcave or whatever the fuck it is that Bruce has now. The joker brings twoface out of the coma. I don't know what happens anymore. But the master has his pet now, and he more than willing to serve. <P> Something like that. It could work and be very entertaining I think.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Since the riddler was an unknown prisioner

    by ThePilgrim

    who mutilated his self and removed his fingerprints durring the riots to hide his true idenity. IT would really be cool for him to tell gordon that he is doing this becuase he wants revenege for what gordon did to him. Since gordon can;t figure out what the fuck that means before the riddler kills himself after giving himself up and the audiance never finds out who the fuck he is. It's makes him just as fucked up freaky as the joker was. Who is this guy. why is he doing this. He has a motive but we can't figure out who he is or what wrong we did to him. Like i said he appears as this thing after the prision riots, and since several bodies were burned and destroyed by him. Prisoners and workers durring this riots they don't knwo who the fuck he is.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Nolan does not have visual flair to spare

    by MorganLeafy

    Gotham City looked awfully a lot like Chicago. The action scenes left me dead cold, except for the one with the truck. Other times I thought he was just copying someone else (Heat and even Daredevil?). Now I have to work in the garden again, break's over.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    shit typed that out too fast

    by ThePilgrim

    Hope you all understand though. Riddler was in jail already- prision riots happened. He cut of his face his finger prints and he was tatooed like that when it happened. He took charge of the riots and he had all the dead bodies burned and teeth removed to protect his identity. So after the prison riots ended, heres this criminal they can't id. Hence forth he becomes MR. E. Villians are better when you don't know the motives or who they really are anyways.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by AsimovLives

    Robin will never work in the nolanverse, never. Give up on it already! The only way for you to have a robin in a batman movie anytime soon is for the stuidios to replace Nolan with some idiotic morinic spineless yes-man hack like, say Jar Jar Abrams. alternatively, you better start your film studies, and then spend 20 years working hard making dumb comemrcials for greedy corporatiosn while staying the aocmplete take it up in the ass yes-man for The Man, and then you might finally luck up in beign a studio's ass-boy who do all their bidings unquestonably, no matter if the movie is too stupid for words, just do what they told, and then, maybe thenm you can shove your beloved Robin into a Batman movie and turn it into that decades' Batman & Robin.<br><br>Other then that, there will never be a Robin in the nolan's Batman movies. Deal with it and give up an impossible and silly dream.<br><br>And a robin ina batman movie today would be the butt (pun intended) of everybody's gay jokes they would crack at it's expenses. And deservetly so.<br><br>Robin in a Nolan Batman movie will never happen, thank Nolan and thank Bale for that!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by AsimovLives

    If nolan's excelent visual style bothers you, then go whatch some bullshit liek Jar Jar Abrams's Dawsonhj Trek or Michael "Shit" Bay's Trasnformers pieces of shit movies, and leave the proper movies like TDK with the proper visual flair done by proper filmmakers to those who can apreciate true filmmaking expertise. Leave TDK alone, it's not your deal, too hot for you to handle.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    ARE (some of) YOU FAT FUCKS SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING...

    by dr sauch

    THAT BALE AND NOLAN NOT RETURN TO THIS FRANCHISE? AND YOU WANT ROBIN? ARE YOU DRUNK ON MOUNTAIN DEW?

  • July 25, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    And ThePilgrim

    by AsimovLives

    Pardon me saying, but i rather trust the Nolan brothers to come up with a Batmna story then the fanboy fiction sily nonsense that the geeks here come up with in here.Pardon me saying, but none of you can match the Nolans. Sorry, but it's the truth. If any of the geeks here, and that includes me, would ever give the reings to make a batman movie onthe scale of the nolan's batmans, they would be fuckign unwatchable shit movies of the type not seen since Batman & Robin. We would all fuck up, no exceptions. Because none of us can control the fanboy in us, and that would be the reason why we would all fuck up beyond repair. All the geeks' here wpuld make a Batman movie which would be a new The Spirit bullshit. I rather trust the Nolan brothers, thank you very much!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    dr sauch

    by AsimovLives

    Your puzzlement is as big as mine! Some people really want the batman movies to sucks all kinds of high hell! I can't fucking understand this people, they got suddently tiured of good bat an movie and they want them to suck from now on? Wha the fuck is going on? first is was the dick sucking on the exacrable piece of shit Jar Jar Abram's Dawson's Trek, and now people want the Batman movies to suck to the level that Batman & Robin once did! And this people all themselves geeks? What the fuck is wrong with this people, man?

  • July 25, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Batman not killing?

    by CharyouTree

    has that always been his rule? Because I was watching Batman Returns the other night and he sticks a bomb to one of The Penguins henchmen, then throws him down a manhole, exploding him, thus sadly ending his life.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Bored of the backlash

    by WT

    Nolan in my eyes is yet to put a foot wrong (even if Bowie's acting in The Prestige was a rare miscast). This year has proven underwhelming for blockbusters- can any of you honestly say Star Trek, Public Enemies or anything else even came close to Dark Knight and Iron Man?

  • July 25, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    I never suggested the Robin that we have had

    by ThePilgrim

    I'm suggesting one that as you said in your own words doesn't fit, and is not at all like any conceived previous version of him. He's a colossal fuck up a wannabe who's going about it so wrong that he is also a criminal. He invests his passions without thinking things through and shit goes horribly wrong. It's like watching exactly what Bruce did only it goes bad every time, and batman never takes him in. Batman is called in to catch him, he caught and arrest. I'm saying that Robins quest to be another batman see's him imprisoned and raped in the ass beaten and eventually stabbed, place in the infirmary and eventually in cahoots with a really fucked up unpredictable version of the Riddler. A Riddler that has no know identity after the riots. No one knows who the fuck he is. Don't you get it he cut his face off, he cut the tips of his fingers off and he covered his body in tattoos he took leadership of the riots and ordered all the dead bodies destroyed. So after they ended and the prisoners surrendered. He's this guy in desperate need of medical attention an obvious inmate in the prison and no one knows who the fuck he is because all the dead inmate bodies were destroyed. Part 1 of his master plan is set into motion. Robins misfortune becomes his comeuppance. If your telling me that those ideas are weak I suggest you provide something that tops them. I'm not chest thumping. I'm just saying I think I figured out a nice direction to toy around with. I'm not demanding either, but don't shoot me down for picking my brain and sharing some ideas.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    WT

    by AsimovLives

    David Bowie as Tesla was actually an inspired casting choice. He did act the part very well (the dude even spoke with a a croacian accent), he alos uncannly looks like the real Tesla looked as that age. And ther'es never enough of David Bowie.<br><br>Other then tha,t fully agree with you, brother. Nolan has yet to put a foot wrong. The man's talent is just unbelievable!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by AsimovLives

    It'sstillRobin, and it's still very fucking wrong. And it's inevitable gay. You want to turn Batman into the Village People or something? You want the Batman movies to became a parody ot themselves? You want a new Batman & Robin, is that what you want? Because that what we would get if your robin would be put in the Nolan's batman movies. Give up, dude. There's no room for robin in the nolanverse, and thanks fucking god for that! Nolan rules!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    People who want Robin in a new Batman movie

    by AsimovLives

    They want to turn the batman movies into slash fiction! For fuck's sakes, what's wrong with this people? Hollywood already fucks up pretty well on it's own, they don't need the advices of the "Pro-Robin" geeks to fuck it up even futher.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Robin is fucking ass!!!

    by AsimovLives

    What don't you fucking understand?

  • July 25, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I want SUPERMAN in the new Batman movie.

    by JDanielP

    If "District 9" can feel so life-like, so can a movie with Superman!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    "THE DARK KNIGHT and the MAN OF STEEL"

    by JDanielP

    Nolan's next Bat-flick could be even BETTER than THE DARK KNIGHT!!! --BELIEVE IT!!!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Oh God Fucking Christ!!

    by AsimovLives

    One side wants Robin, and other wants superman in the next Batman movies. What the fuck is going on? Are peopel so fuckign tired of Nolan making good Batman movies they now want the batman movies to suck ass and be retarded and stupid? Wha th efuck is this bullshit among the geeks who desire to dumb down every fucking movie there is? Jesus fucking christ, man!!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Jesus fucking shit, the geeks are out of control!!!

    by AsimovLives

    Fucking unbelievable the shit one reads in here! Fuck's sake, man! Think for one fucking minute, please?

  • July 25, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, you're doing it again

    by MorganLeafy

    I don’t absolutely love TDK so that must mean I love Michael Bay. In fact I may argue it’s you, Sir, who doesn’t like Nolan. I would say that Memento is something that belongs a lot more to Nolan than Batman. Something like that would excite me more than another re-imagining of Batman. Really, you who always tout your own horn about your intellectual capacity to rate movies, would put TDK above Memento? BTW, stop with the Jar Jar Abrams thing. NO TITS OUT FOR ATTENTION GIRL THIS WEEK! Was that funny?

  • July 25, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Man, I'm glad I went to bed last night.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I needed my rest if I want to jump back into this fray.<P>Good morning, Asi, and, yes, Bale is totally BLAND. He has given no thought to any difference between Bruce Wayne and Batman besides the voice. The only hint of a difference between the identities was a brief scene in BEGINS where Wayne frollicked with supermodels in a hotel fountain.<P>I know there is an argument that the comics have blurred the line between Wayne and Wayne-as-Batman, making Bruce subservient to The Dark Knight personna, but that's not the template that an actor needs to follow. Granted, if your theory is his Bruce Wayne identity is an "act," then, there you go, ACT, merfer.<P>And Bale's costume IS more Robo-cop than bat. He can't turn his head any better with a twenty pound football helmet on his head than Keaton could with his hard rubber neckbrace.<P>P.S. Orca for villain. She really "ups the stakes!"

  • July 25, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    The Hong Kong scene also sets up the "sonar tech"

    by Subtitles_Off

    element for the climax.

  • July 25, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Personally, WORLD'S FINEST

    by Subtitles_Off

    is a superhero concept that could almost guarantee asses in the seats, but I don't think it should be a mash-up of the Nolanverse with the Donnerverse. It could and SHOULD stand as its own animal.<P>Imagine a trilogy of movies - UNITY, TRINITY, and INFINITY. The first pairs Bats and Supes. The second adds Wonder Woman and ends with Supes' death. In the third, Bats is forced to gather a team of heroes, a Justice League, if you will, to go against some silly comic-booky evil in the absense of Superman, who "returns" near the end to help save the day.<P>Would that be any fun?<P>Man, superheroes are stupid.

  • July 25, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    The best part of Bale in the Batman movies...

    by Mrhazard

    is when he is Bruce Wayne and he's acting like a rich asshole Patrick Bateman-like bastard snob (i.e. him coming down in a chopper on Dent's party with three females and giving a mock speech in his honor)... They need to do more stuff like that in the next one...

  • July 25, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Nolan has never put a foot wrong?

    by Subtitles_Off

    You sycophants never saw INSOMNIA, I take it?

  • July 25, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    "Anybody that dresses up like a bat clearly has issues..."

    by Mrhazard

  • July 25, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight BATMAN is... TOO REAL to include Superman?! --HAHAH

    by JDanielP

    That is just too funny. <P>The style, the life-like interpretation,...all that you LOVE about THE DARK KNIGHT doesn't have to change to include Superman. --And "DISTRICT 9" is proof of that. <P>I suppose you couldn't imagine Batman in a movie like DISTRICT 9, either.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by AsimovLives

    Jar Jar Abrams will stay to the end of times. Get used to it. At least i have justification for it's use.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Charyoutree, yeah Keaton's Batman just didnt give a fuck...

    by Mrhazard

    He was killing guys left and right... Thats probably why I liked him so much... YOU WANNA GET NUTS!!! COME ON!!! LETS GET NUTS!!!!!!!!

  • July 25, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    I saw Insomnia and Nolan never set a foot wrong.<br><br>You know what's a sycophant? A Jar Jar Abrams ass kisser. Why an admirer of Nolan isn't? Becasue the man as genuine talent and he made genui good movies. That's admiration for good work and that's legit. Kissing the ass and sucking the dick dry of a miserable untalent hack that made one of the worst dumb stupid retard piece of shit movie of the last 10 years, that's sycophanty.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by AsimovLives

    Yes, superman in the nolanverse Batman movies is indeed very silly and dumb and compeltly out of wack to that universe. What's so fucking hard to understand about that?

  • July 25, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Fantasy + Reality = THE DARK KNIGHT, DISTRICT 9

    by JDanielP

    If you were to tell me that Superman cannot blend with such life-like style, I will laugh in your face.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Nah, a sycophant is one who cannot

    by Subtitles_Off

    see any flaws in the superior that he or she admires. Being a sycophant has absolutely nothing to do with the merits or demerits of the object idolized.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    You're all wasting your time.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    Just letting you know.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    I never knew Batman without Robin

    by ganymede3010

    Ever since I was a kid it was Batman and Robin. The TV show, the cartoon, and the comics I read all included Robin. I like Robin better then Batman, Batman is to perfect. I fucking hate perfect heros.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    JDP, laugh away, my brother. Provided you can contain

    by Subtitles_Off

    your spittle.<P>Making Superman "realistic" is as much a mistake as making Batman "fantastic." SUPERMAN RETURNS proved that.<P>Superheroes should be pure fantasy, and that wow-factor fantasy should be up there on the screen, for better or worse. Personally, I think Batman's not a superhero. He has no superpowers. For the most part, he doesn't battle cosmic or world-threatening evil. His sandbox is filled with psychos that, for the most part, are tethered to the natural laws of the universe. Even Batman's costume is less superheroey. It's practical. It's part of the character. To become a bat, you need wings and a mask. To fly, you don't need a red cape.<P>Granted, the comic books play fast and loose with this idea and often cross the line. That doesn't mean the films should as well.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Azlam

    by Subtitles_Off

    Oh we know. We've known it all along.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The escalation in Gotham City MUST include Superman.

    by JDanielP

    The Dark Knight is now the villain, though we know better. If you can't see how HUGE and GREAT that including Superman can be,...then you should move along. <P>Again, Nolan's life-like style doesn't need to change due to an inclusion of Superman.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    LOL... you using SUPERMAN RETURNS as the example.

    by JDanielP

    Yeah, I'm sure you couldn't tell if Nolan or Singer was directing. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...

  • July 25, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    It has lots. Ifrson admored is inteed talrnte,d then what's wrong about admiting he's good? You are only just tellign the truth. whereas in the case of the miserable pieceof shit Jar Jar Abrams, a fuck who couldn't direct traffic mchess anything resembling a movie, as proved by his horrible piece of shit Dawson's Trek, to praise in on soemthing he doesn't have, aka talent, that's the height of syncopaty. If i say Bethoeven was a great compose,r is that syncopaty? Of course it's not!! Same thing with nolan. And the reverse is true for shit like Jar Jar fucking Abrams.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by AsimovLives

    Superman in the Nolanverse makes absolutyl no sens,e and you don't need to be a genious to know why. Youa re just obsessed in having Superman in a Batman movie that you just blinded yourself to the obvious. You are pretty obsessed with the notion of superman with Batman. It's even scary!

  • July 25, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010

    by AsimovLives

    Batman is perfect? It's the whole point of the character that he isn't, that he is, like, human. Superman is perfect. Batman isn't.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Azlam Orlandu

    by AsimovLives

    Wasting our time? Welcome to AICN!

  • July 25, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    JDP, I asked you to watch the spittle.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • July 25, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Aren't we forgetting something?

    by MorganLeafy

    Pop Quiz, hot shot: what do Demonic Toys, The Unborn, Nick Fury: Agent of Shield, Kickboxer 2: The Road Back and The Dark Knight have in common?

  • July 25, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by JDanielP

    Wow, isn't it scary that...Batman and Superman exist in the same universe? .....O0o0O0o..... <P>"Nolan-verse" or not,...no matter WHO directs a Batman or Superman movie, the characters are STILL a major part of the SAME universe, that being the DC Universe.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by AsimovLives

    That all of them are projected 24 frames per second?

  • July 25, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by AsimovLives

    Yes, the COMIC UNIVERSE. Which the Nolan's movies doesn't abide. The movies have it's own universe. And in that, not even Robin has any place in it, much less Superman. Deal with it.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Subtitles-off

    by WT

    I love Insomnia. I take it you prefer shouty Pacino and wacky Williams? If so that's fine, but personally I thought it was a decent, well-made thriller. People under rate linear narratives.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    You People Have Been Had.

    by buster00

    Oldman is just talking shit to get a rise out of you. He knows how this game works.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The possibility remains that Nolan may include Superman.

    by JDanielP

    Deal with it.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    If you can't visualize Superman in Nolan's TDK follow-up...

    by JDanielP

    ...there is no helping you.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Has he or hasn't he?

    by WT

    The game begins here, methinks "Deception and theatricality are poweful agents". Not only is Superman not a part of the Nolan Batman, nor is Robin. It is what he called "heightened reality". The only way they'll do it is if they "reboot" Superman. And I suspect even for Hollywood that's a few years off. Even then, like with Daredevil/Spiderman I don't think there'll be crossover.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    PS

    by WT

    I realise they're different licenses. But I still think crossovers belong in comics. Remember that big rumour about the Motion Capture Justice League? That's all gone a bit quiet.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Simple answer is to ignore all previous Superman flicks.

    by JDanielP

    That was easy. <P>Next?

  • July 25, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by WT

    No it isn't- you can't turn that off, any more than I could when watching Singer's feature length fanfic. If you're going to do a Superman/Batman crossover film, I'd wait for a while after Nolan's films. What'd be good would be that rare thing- a complete trilogy. Back To The Future is (in my opinion) one of the few non-literary trilogies that work. In many ways, Superman is difficult to capture in film now because his values are somewhat bygone, the idea of the immigrant integrated into the American dream. Batman is closer to Citizen Kane or The Great Gasby, the American dream turned sour and that desperate search for redemption (coupled with the tragedy of being unable to attain it).

  • July 25, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Sorry Gatsby

    by WT

    Curse my mangle hands!

  • July 25, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    In the end. I'm okay with Nolan's choice.

    by JDanielP

    Have a great day.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    (But I hate typos.)

    by JDanielP

    .....

  • July 25, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    ganyemede - Batman's "Perfection"

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    <p>It been portrayed time and again (in comics in any rate) that Batman is far from perfect. Remember that he is, in fact, human (unlike his heroic and superpowered counterparts) so there are times when he can't stop people from dying or can't stop evil plots from happening.</p> <p>There are also times where Batman's own obsessive paranoia has worked against him to the detriment of his friends and his cause--Brother Eye/OMACs from Crisis on Infinite Earths, and Batman's contingency plans against his fellow JLA members in "Tower of Babel" come to mind. With Infinite Crisis, Batman essentially helped cause a worldwide catastrophe, and in Tower of Babel, Ra's al Ghul was able to steal Batman's contingency plans against the JLA and used them to incapacitate the entire team.</p> <p>So yeah, Batman is far from perfect.</p>

  • July 25, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Ribbons: I Compared "Tonight, He Comes" To "Hancock"...

    by Media Messiah

    ...not to "The Dark Knight". My point is that "Tonight, He Comes" was hailed by Hollywood insiders as being one of the best, if not the best, unproduced script in Hollywood--that was until Will Smith, and others, got their hands on it, and turned it into what is now "Hancock". My point, was to illustrate that Hollywood, if left unchecked, will feed us mostly garbage--it always does. I simply was saying that we should demand more for our minds, and for our money.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Would someone please remind me how to do paragraphs?

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I'm currently having a brainfart. Thanks in advance!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    A batman bomb? more like a little possible batman fart.

    by britney spears rusted clit ring

    Holy exaggerating title you moron. You should know better and so should the rest of the editors. A bomb is a plot spoiler, who the villain is or cast shit...not when they might be filming. Fucking tool...

  • July 25, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Excalibur

    by Subtitles_Off

    type "<...P...>"<P> without the ...s or the quotations

  • July 25, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    oops

    by Subtitles_Off

    type shift-comma P shift-period

  • July 25, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    There is no arguing with Media Messiah

    by Subtitles_Off

    His points are solid.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    MorganLeafy, are you looking for

    by Subtitles_Off

    Goyer?<P>What do I win?

  • July 25, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    A realistic Superman in an alien internment camp.

    by Subtitles_Off

    What an eyeball fuck that would be. And, not in the pleasant sort of way where you roll over and enjoy a cigarette. Rather, in the stressful and hurtful way in which you have to go to the hospital, suffer embarrassing questions from cops and worry about raising freakish mutant eyeball babies on your own.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Orca for The Dark Knight sequel!

    by Subtitles_Off

    You heard it here first.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Gary redoing "EVERYONE!!!!"

    by Movies4422

    Pretty cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOY5iWMHUo

  • July 25, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by AsimovLives

    that's wish fullfilling that had no basis in reality whatsoever. You are just dreaming.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    WT

    by AsimovLives

    "Batman is closer to Citizen Kane or The Great Gasby, the American dream turned sour and that desperate search for redemption (coupled with the tragedy of being unable to attain it)."<br><br>That was awesome! That's so cool! You are officially in my cool book. Rock on, man!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    That's only if you assume Batman needs redeeming or

    by Subtitles_Off

    he'll be unable to attain it.<P>Ultimately, for me, the only satisfying "ending" to the story of Batman would be when the man who became a bat becomes a man again.<P>It's the Kane mythology and the Gatsby story, but, hopefully, with a more heroic ending.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Continentalop....

    by ScottinDC

    Interesting points but you missed it when you used Bond as an example. "P> Bond's backstory and history (and personal life) were detailed in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. "P> Peace!

  • July 25, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by AsimovLives

    "My point, was to illustrate that Hollywood, if left unchecked, will feed us mostly garbage--it always does. I simply was saying that we should demand more for our minds, and for our money"<br><br>Absolutly. You said it as it is. It's a sad state of affairs that it's now the hacks tho command the big blockbusters and ther great franchises, with the only exception being Nolan with the Batman movies and Favreu with Iron Man, and the Harry Potter movies. All the rest is just shit of the worst kind.<br><br>How the fuck things got to be this way? Well, i tell you way: we the geeks are to blame. We have been too lenient to the bullshit and the shit that has been made in the past, with all our attitude of "it's just fun". Well, the "just fun" turned into COMPLETE HORRIBLE SHIT. We are to blame! We should be the gatekeepers, we should eb the guardiasn, we should be the watchmen, and we have perfomed extremely poorly. We have been bought cheap by the studuios,a nd now all we get is the worst kind of shit movies no one ever ever dream would exist. We are responsbiel for the start apprcoah of ASS: THE MOVIE. That is not something to happen in some centuries, from now, it's just right the next decade.<br><br>This shit depresses me like hell.

  • July 25, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    wasn't AVATAR supposed to be the atom bomb that

    by Subtitles_Off

    left a crater where the convention center used to be? How'd that turn out?

  • July 25, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    I doubt that will ever happens, and i doubt that would be dramatically suitable. Nolan's batman movies never went for the easy answer, for the easy way out. I doubt things will ever end up well for the guy. The man has a curse, the curse of being his city's savior. The curse of all the people who have to protect others from greater evils. If there ever be any redemption or happy ending for the Batman movies, i'll be disapointed.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by JuntMonkey

    I'll bet against Catwoman. Will also bet against Riddler. Will also bet against Penguin.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    No you won't.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Heroes are supposed to win in the end. That doesn't mean the ending has to be sappy, maudlin or "the easy way out." The hero's end has been the point of fantasy since the ancient Greeks. Even if dying a glorious death, the hero has achieved his or her goal. If not, there truly is no point.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    This idea of Batman's "curse"

    by Subtitles_Off

    is offensive to me. As is the idea of Batman as villain. BATMAN'S IN CONTROL.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    "DO NOT GO SEE THE PERFECT SLEEP"

    by AsimovLives

    That was hysterical, specially Gary Oldman. He's the man! Funniest thing i seen all day!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    JuntMonkey, I'll see that bet and raise.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • July 25, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    It's not a curse in the literal sdense of the word, man! I was not implying there's magic in the bolanverse. Please, man, it was metaphorical. I though that was VERY PLAIN EVIDENT!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    bolanverse = nolanverse

    by AsimovLives

    You guys put me out of my mind!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    oops

    by Subtitles_Off

    I meant to include in my previous post: Warner Brothers has a potential earnings juggernaut at stake in the sequel to TDK. They will insist on an iconic villain that will draw the audience. It will not be a second-rater or an original concept. They could get away with that with BEGINS. They can't get away with that now.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    "Heroes are supposed to win in the end."<br><br>ys who? Is that in the Bible or something. God himself wrote that in stone with fire? Since when that's is an absolute law that should be blindly obeyed without question, under the penalty of eternal hell damnation?<br><br>You know what heroes are suposed to do? They are suposed to do whatever the creative mind that's using them wants to do. There's no "suposed to do"! All there is is good storytelling or bust. If a good story needs for the hero to lose or die, so be it.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Asi, chill

    by Subtitles_Off

    I interpreted it as metaphorical. My response implies no "magic." The idea that Bruce Wayne is ultimately doomed to tragedy is an offensive idea to me. It's lazy. And, it's depressing.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    That's Nolan's problem, not ours, isn't it?

  • July 25, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, brother, now I am finished.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I can't believe I've spent this much energy on the Nolanverse. It can't go away soon enough for me.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by MorganLeafy

    You win a fridge. It's also the reason why a smile turns onto my face when people compare it to Citizen Kane or tell me I'm and idiot 'cause I didn't absolutely orgasm over TDK.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Batman is ultimately a tragic character

    by WT

    While most superheroes are either orphaned or suffer early trauma, for some reason Batman's is the one that resonates the most. The fact is, like Kane, no matter what he does he'll never get his childhood back. Which is why the Rachel Dawes character was both a nice addition, and a bold character to kill off. Somehow he has to keep finding hope. The fact he sacrificed his reputation for that in the last one was a nice added touch.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman is the bomb!

    by Mr.LordBronco

    You People need to halte die Klappe! <P> Bale decides when this movies made and right now he's acting. <p> End. Of. Story.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    I'll chill, just because you asked. Your wishes are my comands, brother.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by AsimovLives

    It's your loss, dude.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    WT

    by AsimovLives

    Simply put, the bolans know what they are doing. i have no shortage of awe for the two Nolan's Batman movies. Those are the type of movies that reminds me why i love cinema so much, and help me go by and vross the valley of the shadows of cinematic mediocrity that i have to constantly endure, like the piece of shit Jar Jar abrams's Dawson Trek movie. It's movies like the Nolan's Batman that keep giving me strengh and endurance and justify my love for cinema.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    FUCK Nolan.

    by Subtitles_Off

    There I said it.<P>Christopher Nolan owns Batman no more than Burton, Dini, Grant Morrison or Adam fucking West. And his version isn't any more valid or superior to the others or, even, mine own.<P>Nolan has had it easy up 'til now. His introduction was a cakewalk: All he had to do was "better than Schumacher" to "earn" the devotion of a fickle fan-base. His part two benefitted from the involvement of a beloved young actor and that performer's choices. Now, the train is off the rails. The story and the advancement of it is all on him. He has to do better than TDK or the backlash will bite him in the ass.That's a lot of pressure. We'll see if he's the genius you think he is, Asi.<P>My bet is that he can't do it.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    The Nolan Batman films...

    by Andillformthehead

    Are good (if not great films).<br><br> \thread

  • July 25, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    OK, NOW I'm done.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I feel better, too.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Lot Of Good Robin Suggestions In Here

    by Red Lantern

    Some of these fit in quite well with what has already been established. One thing I thought about while reading this, is that the Jason Todd character could start out by stealing a page from "Kick Ass." He starts trying to fight crime on his own, maybe in a traditional loud Robin costume and winds up in the hospital. How cool would that be?!!

  • July 25, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    ScottinDC, I covered my ass

    by Continentalop

    That is why I SPECIFICALLY said Sean Connery's Bond. Hey, I know how to load an answer.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Robin...

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    ...is a fucking ponce. Do we really need "gay erotica" rammed into the next Batman movie? Cause that's what's going to happen if a late teen or twentysomething Robin is thrown into the mix. Need proof? Batman Forever and Batman and Robin's Frozen Nutsacks

  • July 25, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan owns the Batman universe he and his brother created for their movies. He only asnwers to them and nothing else. Nolan doesn't own THE ENTIRELY OF THE BATMAN UNIVERSE, so he's not to answer for things he had no creative input.<br><br>It's sad you can't udnerstand why Nolan and his brother is so good, and why his movies are so right for Batman. It's your loss.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Nolan...

    by Andillformthehead

    Probably wants a raise but other than that he is a quality Director and Storyteller that not only has his own stories to tell but also probably wants to take Batman in a direction that WB may or may not be willing to go. Previous box office be damned. He wants to tell a good story and not rush into hackery for a quick buck (ratner x3 rush job for example). I don't think WB (and DC) is in a quick rush either. Nolan has already "won". People will go see this film and it will make money. If not $600m at least more than $250m.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Andillformthehead

    by AsimovLives

    At the very least, The Dark Knight isa great movie, undispudably. And i dare say, so is Batman Begins. I pity the fools who can't understand that.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off, 'fuck Nolan'?

    by MorganLeafy

    I agree more or less, but that's a bit harsh. I still think he's a good director, but I think he can do better-something more original than re-imagine someone else's legacy.

  • July 25, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Andillformthehead

    Batman's a very personal character for some people (me too). Some of us cannot separate the character from the various interpretations in various media. Some also can't see the film beyond Batman. If Batman is not presented in a very specific context (as "I" remember or enjoy it) then it "sucks".

  • July 25, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    There Is No Batman Story Without Robin

    by Red Lantern

    You can tell Batman stories that don't use the character of Robin, but you only get a piece of the history of Batman. It would be like doing Batman without Gordon as Commissioner. You know he has to be Commissioner at some point, it's part of the Batman story. Or doing stories without Alfred, at some point he has to be introduced. If you do a Sampson movie about his early years, great! But everyone knows Delilah is crucial to the story, the same with King Arthur. Mordred needs to make an appearance at some point. You can tell a story about a vigilante without Robin, but it's not the Batman story.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Why I want Nolan to tackle Robin

    by Continentalop

    Because until he does he isn't doing Batman. <p> Robin has been part of the Batman mythos for over 60 years and for the vast majority of those years he wasn't knows as "Batman", he was known as "Batman AND Robin." <P> Now I am not saying he has to put Robin in a costume and and even call him Robin to start with - or ever (watch, some many people won’t even acknowledge this part of my argument). But the entire point of the new Nolan series is to make the elements of the Batman mythos believable, including some of the more outlandish elements such as capes, Batmobiles, super-villains and dressing up as a bat. I want to see how he can incorporate the idea of of the “boy wonder” into his universe just like he has incorporated “The Clown Prince of Crime”. <p> Until Nolan tackles the idea of Dick Grayson he is taking the easy way out and being a pussy in my opinion. It is easy to do the "cool" characters and only touch upon the stuff that people will accept right away, but to avoid a major aspect of the character and the comic because it would be to hard to adapt is just being a wimp. It would be like doing the Lone Ranger and saying you are not going to have Tonto because people view him as a racial stereotype. A brave director would say “Yes, we are going to have Tonto” and then be clever enough to figure out a way to include him in a way that people would accept. <p> I am also surprised how many things people will accept in a Nolan Batman movie but immediately call Robin “corny” or “ridiculous” or “gay”. I think these insults say more about them than it does about Dick Grayson/Robin. You know this is a film series about a man who dresses up as a bat to fight crime right? The idea is already preposterous and ridiculous to begin with. How is the idea of him training a young boy or man to follow in his footsteps somehow worse and less believable than a psycho clown who can outsmart the police and take on the entire city, a man with a burlap bag over his head shooting fear gas, or driving a tank across the rooftops of a city? <p> Like it or not Robin/Dick Grayson is part of Batman’s history and until Nolan addresses him he is not really doing Batman but a generic pulp hero. And if that is the case, he might as well should have done The Shadow or The Spider to begin with.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    its too early for ROBIN

    by Six Demon Bag

    wayne is still getting on his feet...fanboys dont need to rush it...the franchise is still popular its not going anywhere.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    our lives must be very different, Red Lantern

    by MrHyde

    i was out all night doing coke and fucking sluts. and you're arguing how cool robin is. you suck but god damn i'm awesome.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    robin can be told half way thru the film

    by Six Demon Bag

    like have his parents die halfway thru the film and then is let into waynes life at the end..Bruce this is Dick...end of film...

  • July 25, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Nolan and The Shadow

    by Andillformthehead

    Hell, I would love to see a Nolan Shadow. <br> But in regard to Robin maybe this interpretation of Batman think that maybe he's lost his parents, the woman he loves and ultimately himself to violence and to Batman. Why would he introduce an "innocent" (even bad kids are "innocent") to this life or lack there of? Why would he share this misery with a child?

  • July 25, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I guess you guys never saw John Wayne's The Shootist

    by Continentalop

    Or The Cowboys or The Searchers. Or Mifune in Samurai, or Obi-wan Kenobi with Luke, or Lone Wolf & Cub, or Kevin Costner and that kid in a Perfect World, or Jean Reno and Natalie Portman in The Professional, or even Bill the Butcher mentoring Leo in Gangs of New York. <p> The Mentor-protégé is a classic story, and something I can see easily working in the Nolan Universe.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Better Said Than I Did On Robin Continentalope

    by Red Lantern

    That post is actually what I was trying to say, and thinking. I think Nolan can do it, but like you said, it's not easy. If you are a good director though, and a good writer, you should want to take this part of the story and have it work, especially if you feel it hasn't ever worked before. Hell, that should be a challenge any person who loves the story WANTS to take on. You haven't redefined anything, until you include Robin. It's like the old Batman serials where Batman was fighting the Japanese. It's sort of a version of Batman, but it's not Batman. Like an Elseworlds kind of Batman. And Mr. Hyde, you're right, I do suck. I don't do coke or sluts, so I think a discussion about a Batman movie is the right place for me. I'm not sure it is for you.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    In this Interpertation...

    by Andillformthehead

    the way we've seen these characters interact and grow within their world this Gordon would (attempt to) bust Batman if he had a Robin. Does anyone disagree?

  • July 25, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, I'm not saying he has to do Robin right now

    by Continentalop

    Or ever "really" tackle him. The last movie could introduce this young kid whose parents are murdered named Dick Grayson. Who could imply at the end of the movie that Bruce is going to take him on as his apprentice. <p> My big complaint is this knee jerk reaction to the idea of Dick Grayson/Robin, and this adamant belief by some people that he should never be in the series. I mean, it's fucking Robin! The second most important element to the Batman mythos after Batman himself. It would be like doing Sherlock Holmes and not having Watson - sure you can do it, but it isn't really Sherlock Holmes now. is it? <p> And the other thing that gets me is how people can find Robin unbelievable, but don't seem to have a problem with Batman beating up 10 SWAT Team members or have a super-cycle shoot out from the front tires of his tank, which he drives through the city on yet no one knows where he parks it at night.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Andillformthehead, I don't disagree

    by Continentalop

    But only if Robin was actually out on the streets fighting crime. <p> For me, Robin's number one feature isn't to be Batman's partner, it is to be his student. In the confines of the Nolanverse, Batman has expressed how much Gotham needs him, and as long as Gotham needs him he will be Batman. He must be aware that he isn't immortal, and that someday he might not be able to continue on or he might die. So wouldn't it make sense that he would find a replacement, someone who could some day take over for him. That to me is what Robin is. <p> He's the Batman in waiting.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Also Andillformthehea

    by Continentalop

    Remember in Batman Begins, when Bruce Wayne was filled with rage towards Joe Chill and Falcone? He had no life because he wanted revenge for his parents death? <p> Well, Bruce Wayne has been down that road already and he would see that Dick Grayson was also filled with such hate and anger. Like himself, he would help him redirect it and give him a purpose. <p> Plus, who is to say that maybe Bruce Wayne didn't try to give him a real life or talk him out of wanting to be like him. But once again, Bruce Wayne has lived the same life as Dick Grayson and would recognize that there is worse things than being Batman. Such as living with rage and hatred and wanting vengeance. Being Batman and training for to be Batman gave Bruce purpose; the same thing it could do for Dick Grayson.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Robin should be either

    by CharyouTree

    Gordons son, in awe of, and feeling he owes Batman a debt so helps to clear his name, or the boy in the first one he gives the periscope to whilst spying on The Scarecrow.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Andillformthehead

    Yeah, I mentioned last night maybe a leader but not a Batman per se but as a leader of a "Son of the Batman" type group a la DNK. Have one of the guys in hockey pads in memoriam lol. People want Gordon's son so perhaps Gordon or Barbara dies?

  • July 25, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Red Lantern

    by Continentalop

    I do coke and sluts, and I am on a Batman discussion board. So I see nothing wrong with what you are doing. <p> As for Mr.Hyde, if you are really such a cool guy why the fuck take time out of your busy cool life to post something to some guy you don't even know? I think your post might say a little more about you than it does about Red Lantern.

  • July 25, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    conti--whats up?

    by Six Demon Bag

    Well, Bruce Wayne has been down that road already and he would see that Dick Grayson was also filled with such hate and anger. Like himself, he would help him redirect it and give him a purpose.<P><P>regarding this--i dont think batman is at that point in the history..he still loses his cool and mourns over the death of his parents and now rachel...<P>if they handledit right..where robin is introduced and NOW batman can see the flip side of it..that he must control is anger and hatred, he now has something to teach as well as learn...

  • July 25, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK THE SQUID!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • July 25, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by Continentalop

    I agree with you. He probably isn't at that point in history. <p> But I do think Nolan will have to address the Robin issue before he leaves the series or else it will feel like a cop out. It is the elephant in the room - you can't ignore Robin's place in Batman history, and as a Batman fan (comic and movie) I want to see Nolan tackle this element and see how he would adapt Dick Grayson to his universe. To me it is a challenge I want to see him take up. <p> By the way Six, remember to keep building your stash. New Moon TB is coming up in only a couple of months..

  • July 25, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    conti--

    by Six Demon Bag

    probably gonna get shat on but i think they should do the Jason Todd robin cause he was really fucked up...hot temper..and then maybe kill him too..adding to the tortured pain of batman

  • July 25, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Megan Fox was booed at Comic Con

    by Subtitles_Off

  • July 25, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    You serious Sub?

    by Continentalop

    Because if you are you made my day.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off got crabs

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • July 25, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    In the Bolanverse these characters need only

    by ThePilgrim

    to be identifiable as the characters we remember, but what makes watching these films and characters so enjoyable is how much different they actually are in contrast to their establishes designs and actions. There are flaws in these film. Ridiculous devices and a small handful of scenes that don't mesh or play out well- I hear so many people wail away to the prestige, but really at the end of the movie who is dying and how is he even remotely comfortable with it. One night it's really him, and the next night it's his clone. Who died. If your so smart you tell me, and the problem is you can't because not even Nolan knew the answer. That doesn't make it brilliant is as asinine as those rediculos devices in the batman movies. The microwave guns and the cellphone sonar and the bullet fragment recombinant/reader. And it makes about as much sense as the scene when the bus rejoins the other buses after the joker robs the bank or non explained how he and his goons escaped from the Wayne party he crashed. We forgive these bads because the goods are so damned good and entertaining.<P> <P> I hope that Nolan considers Robin at some point, but again it's a robin we recognize but not one that's ever existed. I think failure and seeing a someone who should be a hero messing it up is as "greek roman tragedy" as you can get. It's more than believable. Once you have Robin in jail getting attacked and eventually raped in his ass. You'll have no trouble whatsoever buying into him wanting revenge on batman for misunderstanding him. His idol, the symbol and cause he was trying to help- in his mind betrayed him. That's a lot like falling in madly in love with someone, and not finding that someone you love as interested in you as you are in them. It's real pain. <P> Add in a Riddler who is more dangerous and mysterious than the Joker. Death isn't a word with him it's a plan. You never let the audience know who he was and why he's doing this. Even the joker has to admit his reasons. Even though the Riddler tells Gordon that Gordon ruined his life and this was payment. Mr. E's face is gone, his fingertips chopped off. <P> There's no way for Gordon to know who the fuck he is. What did i do to you is Gordon's only logical response. and The riddler doesn't answer. At this point the Riddler kills himself. <P> He remains a mystery all the way through. He character was born in the prison he was sent to. He is so fucking smart that he was able to break the order of his entrapment. Think about it. Here's a guy he was at one point an identifiable prisoner, his crimes know his real name known his time to serves known. A prison riot breaks out, and he uses it to his advantage to destroy his identity. Surely the prison knows he's a criminal when it's all said and done, and inside the prison he becomes a god to the other prisoners after this, but who is he really is is not knowable. Many died during those riots. This Mr. E destroyed all those bodies before it came to an end, he disfigured his face and cut the tips of his fingers off, and pulled out all his teeth and he tattooed a large "?" on his chest. After this time he began inking several other tattoo's all over his body puzzles ancient language's and riddles. <P> There's a list of missing prisoners and prison employee's from these riots, but all the dead bodies where destroyed by the Riddler after he took leadership near the final days of those riots. There's no way of knowing he he really is now, or why he was in there. He plans way ahead defeating that "schemer" speech the Joker claimed was failure. Near the end he turns himself in and then he takes his own life. Leaving his cryptic tattooed corpse full of riddles that offer batman/police and the city several chances to stop his reign of terror that goes on without him being a alive, but those answers to prevent those events are always solved too late and another new new game begins as soon as the other once concludes. <P> I thought of most of this shortly after TDK, because I understood the power of a death of a major character with the commotion heaths death caused. A villain who's design includes the lost of their own life to play the game add a certain level of WTF to the terror. You need to think about things like columbine or suicide bombers. These people planed to die for what they believe in. It was always a part of the design of their attack and it makes it just that much more scarier.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    "That little fucker"

    by WT

    Burton tried to introduce Robin into his films twice over, and in his book he thought it didn't make sense. This is where Batman Forever went wrong- the idea of him being a mentor of sorts isn't a bad one, but it needs to be well handled, it can't be a "teamup". I like the idea of Gotham descending into chaos (what was the name of that series) and with villains effectively owning the city (Something that could arguably happen if Batman has to disappear). I don't think Nolan "has" to introduce Robin, anymore than he "has" to include any recognised Batman villains.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Exactly how many...

    by enderandrew

    ...of the people here saying they hated TDK saw the film in the theaters five times and helped it reach #2 all-time?<p>That's what I thought.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Too soon for Robin

    by EpilepticLurcher

    Nolan's version of Batman is far too young and its far too early in his career to take on Robin. Having read Batman for 30 years I'd imagine Robin wouldn't make an appearance for another 10 years in the Nolan Batverse timeline. Anyone asking for Harley Quinn to be the next big villain needs to shut the fuck up. Shes a cartoon character that doesn't even fit into the comics properly nevermind on the big screen.

  • July 25, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    What is the obsession with Robin?

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Whatever people think of previous incarnations of Robin in other media, THIS string of movies, so far, hasn't shown me any potential for a Robin. Batman's been burned twice now, with the death of his parents, and his childhood sweetheart. What would be his motivation for taking in a child and training him for the life of pain that Batman chooses to lead? Why would he choose to inflict that life on someone else? As far as these movies go, I just don't see it. This Batman runs solo.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    No Robin

    by enderandrew

    Christian Bale said the moment he saw a script with Robin, he'd be done with the franchise. Nolan has also said he has no interest in Robin. I think the matter is pretty clear.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Fisting, enderandrew

    by Continentalop

    Like I said, it is the elephant in the room. Like it or not Robin is a huge part of the Batman mythos - by not tackling Robin you are not actually doing Batman at all. You are just doing a pulp character. I think if you want to say you are making an honest Batman film - one that is your vision but based on and inspired by Bob Kane and Bill Finger's characters and work - you have to address the issue. <p> Personally, I see it as a great challenge. HOW THE FUCK do you make Dick Grayson fit within the Nolan universe? To me it is the kind of challenge a creative filmmaker would accept. And as a fan of the comic and the movies, I would love to see him take on that challenge and see his version of the character. I want to "believe" in this Batman, and just like how I want him to take Batman's rogue gallery - Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, Catwoman and The Penguin - and make them into characters I could believe in and see as realistic, I want him to do the same thing with Dick Grayson. That would be an accomplishment. <p>

  • July 25, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Alfred's death?

    by enderandrew

    What is Alfred died. Rachel is gone. Maybe Batman becomes too isolated. And in taking care of Robin, he is reminded of the way Alfred took care of him?<p>That being said, I don't expect Nolan to implement Robin.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by EpilepticLurcher

    Don't you think its too early in Batman's career to be introducing Robin? The only way I see working is if they introduce a very young Dick Grayson and have Bruce training him to work with Batman ten years down the line. I see no chance of Nolan using a twelve year old in red and green to fight crime. Plus Robin's suit would look ass in this Batverse. They would definitely have to change it. No kids going to go out crimefighting in his y-fronts.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    EpilepicLurcher, enderandrew

    by Continentalop

    Lurcher - The definitely couldn't go the red and green costume with the cape. I freely admit the would stand out. I also can't see him being called Robin unless that is a radio handle or code name - you know, Batman calling into base asking for "Robin - do you hear me! Robin!" <p> Enderandrew - I don't expect Nolan do show Robin at all, but I can at least imagine him trying. At the very least I wouldn't even mind an acknowledgment of the idea Robin - a young kid named Dick Grayson has his parents murdered, and he asks Batman to train him - and Batman refuses. It acknowledges the comic book character and his place in the Batman mythos while still showing the differences between Nolan's Batman and the comic book version. Nolan basically says I admit Robin is part of the Batman universe, but in my Elseworlds version Bruce Wayne chose not to take him in. I could easily live with that and find it satisfying.

  • July 25, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Damn, lots of grammar errors

    by Continentalop

    Never try to cook and post at the same time.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Robin does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    What about Batman 3 as a fiery romance... <p>Bale and Catwoman in a BASIC INSTINCT style warped love affair, whilst the Penguin / Riddler / whoever has to be combated.<p> Turns out to be a doomed romance with the death of Catwoman but as Bale cradles her in his arms she implores him to look after her son... to take him in... a wee boy barely four years old... Robin.<p> Bale and the boy along with Alfred and Lucius in black suits at the end.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I think 3 should be Vigilantism

    by mitortilla

    we saw a rise in that in TDK bring in catwoman and other crazies.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    mitortilla

    by Ribbons

    You mean the Joker wasn't crazy enough?

  • July 25, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by EpilepticLurcher

    I like your plot for the film but would prefer Robin to be the Jason that Batman gives a periscope to in BB. He could find him using the periscope about to attack some gangsters to avenge the death of his mother or something and ends up taking him in and mentoring him. Then Nolan gets a Robin but its the angry messed up Jason Todd who could possibly be killed in a later movie and it would give them leeway to mess around with the traditional Robin costume.<P>I'd rather they left Dick Grayson out of the Nolanverse and did a set of movies focusing on him leaving the batcave and starting out as Nightwing.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    i thought Maggie G would be catwoman

    by The_Ritty

    after surviving the blast it would be one down on her "nine lives"... or why not have a girl joker in Harley Quinn like an obsessed copycat killer...no? All greasy and hoboed out like Heath's homless man looking joker...

  • July 25, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Maggie Q should be fucking Catwoman.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • July 25, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    People really don't get the subtly of Keaton's perfomrance

    by The_Ritty

    still... I don't understand it. Everyone has COPIED him since he did it - what does that say. Oh and Keaton's Batman would beat the living shit out of Bale's pussy ass Batman anyday. Period. I don't like Bale's Batman, he's a whiny self absored little wimp. Cry Cry Cry all thw way to his batcave...when the fuck would Batman EVER think of giving up his cowl...he MADE THE CHOICE TO BE SOMETHING MORE as if he just gonna one day go "ah you know what Alfred, fuck it..." Same lil problem I had with Batman Forever... I don't ever believe Batman giving up on what he does...Never,its his obsession.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Batman 3

    by enderandrew

    With Batman somewhat in hiding, the police can't work with him, and the mob is back on the rise. Batman is torn. Does he tell Gotham he lied to them, and the police lied to them? Will they trust the police again? He can't do that.<p>I think Batman can't simply arrest people anymore. He isn't working with the cops. He has to try and escalate things even more, risks be damned. He has to terrify every crook in Gotham to the point that no one will dare cross him.<p>I also think the most logical villan in the Nolan-verse would be The Riddler, almost like a Zodiac killer. He can't be goofy like the Joker. He has to be cool, calculated, genius, and terrifying in his own way. The Riddler knows about Batman's lie to the city of Gotham, and he is threatening to bring everything down. I think William H. Macy would be FANTASTIC in this role. Check out a film he did called Edmond.

  • July 25, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    The_Ritty I could comfortably beat the shit out of Keaton, batsuit or not.<p> Bale I wouldn't fight so lightly.

  • July 25, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    William H. Macy as Riddler = Brilliant

    by Continentalop

    But I demand he has the accent from Fargo. <p> "Oh, you betcha Batman. For shure."

  • July 25, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    The Ritty

    by Continentalop

    While I agree with you that Batman wouldn't retire so quickly, it is his obsession, I got to say I don't think Keaton makes a great Batman. Did you see his build? He certainly doesn't look like a fighter to me, especially when he doesn't have the bat suit on. <p> Bale might not play his Batman as cold and mentally as tough as Keaton did, but physically it is no fucking match. And at the end of the day the movie has got to make me believe a man without weapons is defeating a bunch of armed thugs with his bare hands. Bale does that, Keaton doesn't. <p>

  • July 25, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    The Riddler

    by EpilepticLurcher

    My shout for the Riddler would be Ian Hart. Fantastic at playing intense weirdo roles. Plus he's British which doesn't hurt your chances in a Nolan movie.

  • July 25, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives: You're Are Right, It Is The Fault Of The Fans

    by Media Messiah

    Trust fund babies are now running Hollywood. They are there simply due to nepotism...and many of the people they hire as staffers and fellow execs, are extended family, personal friends, and lovers. These people have turned Hollywood into equal parts Good Old Boys Club...and the Playboy Mansion...and very few of them have an artistic bone in their bodies. They got a Hollywood job because dad or mom own a stake in a studio...or are doing business with someone powerful, and in position, at a studio, no other reason. Few have been to film school...or studied film whatsoever. <BR><BR>Meanwhile, fans...so desperately wanting to see their favorite comic books and TV shows get the blockbuster treatment by the big studios, they just sit back and accept anything that they are force feed, and then try to praise it in front of God, the media, and everybody, no matter how bad it is. As a result, the execs fail to get the messege, and they keep delivering the garbage just as long as we keep eagerly paying to see that garbage, while praising it, to the ultmate ruin of the material we are attempting to preserve, and see respected by others.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    The Ritty

    by Fisting_Nell_Carter

    Be sure to wash your hands. Your attempt to stir up shit has failed.

  • July 25, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    RE-post: Part 3 should acknowledge the larger DC universe!

    by darthwaz1

    very important- even in small doses. A blurry hand-cam clip of superman on the news, a mention of Hal Jordan or Lexcorp, something to that effect. FANS WANT TO SEE THIS KINDA STUFF!!

  • July 25, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Batman has been doing his vigilante thing in the

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    Nolanverse for three goddamn weeks, and you already want him to bring Robin under his wing? Wayne manor is still being rebuilt for crying out loud! it's way too early to even *begin* to hint at the Robin character... or hell, better yet, just leave him out altogether. yes, i understand that Robin is an integral part of the Batman comic mythos. but, um, last i checked, this isn't the damn comic. Bats is now a fugitive from justice... he's got no time for some amateur-ass trapeze artist.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Well if this isn't the "damn comic"

    by Continentalop

    Why don't they just get rid of that stupid cowl and cape? I mean, that is as dumb as you can get. The cape would be a huge liability in a fight, now matter how they try to justify it by saying he needs it to glide from building to building, plus the bat ears on his mask are completely pointless and have always been ridiculous looking. <p> Another thing, if they really want to distant him from his comic book version he should carry a gun and start killing people. It would be a lot more realistic.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Nolan does not understand Batman

    by Star Hump

    TDK is rife with fuck ups, and the fact that you guys simply cannot comprehend the obvious speaks volumes. I hope Nolan walks away from Batman. Bale too, for that matter. This series needs new blood. Batman Begins was mediocre, passable, but TDK was a total fucking abortion. First things first, hire Denny O'Neil as a consultant.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    NO ROBIN!!

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    The dude wears green underwear and no pants!

  • July 25, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    three goddamn weeks

    by dioxholster

    really? i thought years past by after batman begins

  • July 25, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    YES for SUPERMAN!

    by JDanielP

    Escalation...

  • July 25, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Who said anything about green underwear?

    by Continentalop

    Gibson, we all admit you couldn't do a Robin like they have him in the comics. But a kid orphaned by crime that becomes Batman's apprentice? How does that not fit in with Nolan's vision?

  • July 25, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    No superhero powers in Batman.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I don't want to see someone flying around and shooting eyebeams in a Batman movie. <BR><BR> I dont even think I want someone like Poison Ivy...though if done right she could work. But no superheros flying around and blowing out forest fires with superbreath.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Amended--AsimovLives: You're Are Right, It Is The Fault Of The F

    by Media Messiah

    Trust fund babies are now running Hollywood. They are there simply due to nepotism...and many of the people they hire as staffers and fellow execs, are extended family, personal friends, and lovers. These people have turned Hollywood into equal parts Good Old Boys Club...and the Playboy Mansion...and very few of them have an artistic bone in their bodies. They got a Hollywood job because dad or mom own a stake in a studio...or are doing business with someone powerful, and in position, at a studio, no other reason. Few have been to film school...or studied film, whatsoever.<BR><BR> Meanwhile, fans...so desperately wanting to see their favorite comic books and TV shows get the blockbuster treatment, by the big studios, just sit back and accept anything that they are force fed, and then try to praise it in front of God, the media, and everybody else, no matter how bad it is??? As a result, the execs fail to get the messege, and they keep delivering the garbage, just as long as we keep eagerly paying to see that garbage, while praising it, to the ultimate ruin of the material we are attempting to preserve, and see respected by others.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    What do I think? I think...

    by DS9Sisko

    ...you made a mountain out of a molehill.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    PS: Great Post...Star Hump!!!

    by Media Messiah

    You nailed it right on the head. Nolan is the beneficiary of hype, but his work is flimsy and banal. "The King Has No Clothes", and only now is the crowd starting to listen to the little boy who pointed it out in the first place.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    never once said they *should* distance the film from the

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    comic. but given the liberties that have been taken in the first two films, i thought it was obvious that they've done just that. and while i laud your attempts at mockery, you do realize you're being silly with the whole taking away of the cape and cowl thing, yes? obviously no one would recognize that as the character of Batman. there *have* been, however, several depictions of Batman-sans Robin which didn't suffer from the Boy Wonder's absence. the first few seasons of Batman the Animated Series and the entirety of Justice League were, respectively, some of the best visualizations of comic material ever done. so let's not pretend that by keeping Robin out of the Nolanverse, we're creating some gross perversion of the Batman character, not unlike removing his cowl and giving him a gun. seriously.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Nolan will only write and produce

    by Darth_BeerFart

    According to what i just heard from a WB guy at comiccon<P>apparently he wants a break from directing but WB doesn't want to wait on a third batman, what i heard was that perhaps david goyer would be taking over

  • July 25, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    and yes, dioxholster, it was three goddamn weeks

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    because i obviously have Batman's personal crime fighting journal, and wasn't just, you know, using that timeframe to illustrate the brevity of Bruce's stint at being a vigilante. <p> and you mean to tell me that (a) it would take "years" to rebuild his mansion, and (b) Batman didn't follow up on the lead he received at the end of Begins (the Joker card) until some several odd years later? either you or Batman are pretty damn slow.

  • July 25, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Juggernaut, yes I am being facetious

    by Continentalop

    I do realize there is a difference between no cape and cowl and Robin, but my big problem isn't so much with Nolan as it is with people's mentality that Dick Grayson could never work in the Nolanverse. I mean, why is a guy dressed up as a giant bat fighting criminals with his bare hands while driving a mini-tank across the roofs so believable and realistic yet once you say you are going to add a young boy to the cast to become his apprentice and understudy it suddenly is to outlandish for people to accept? I just find that a little narrow minded. Obviously a lot of people are just looking at Dick Grayson/Robin with their own preconceptions. Not saying you are, you might have a legitimate argument, but a lot of people here are just making a knee-jerk reaction to the idea. But I will add "Why not a gun?" He carried a gun in his first dozen issues or so (shot a vampire with silver bullets with it and shot people), and he killed people too. So if Nolan is saying he is going back to Bob Kane's original, darker, more realistic version, shouldn't he incorporate those elements back into Batman?

  • July 25, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns Graphic Novel......

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Would be a sweet template for the third one. Technically, the first one was Batman year one, the second one was a take on the Killing Joke with a TDNR nod at the beginning, (The Scarecrow scene when the "other Batmen showed up.) <p> He was hunted at the end of the second one. What if this story picked up years after the the second one (There can be a montage inserted somewhere that would show all the villains he's fought over the years.) He is still hunted by law enforcement but manages to still fight crime in the shadows with the aid of Commissioner Gordon of course. <p> Batman is older, weary and contemplating retirement, that is until a new wave of evil hits Gotham.

  • July 25, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    conti--

    by Six Demon Bag

    i still think people are having knee jerk reactions to Burt Ward Robin and maybe Chris O Donnell Robin...the revisionists are starting to claim that THAT is where Batman went wrong Batman Forever and not Batman Returns...all the while when Burton's true vision came out, people were aghast. now its everyones fave!<P>the blame is on Robin in that film in making him too old...<P>i still think if they do incorporate him in the film they should have his parents die midfilm and at the end of the film Wayne takes him in...or maybe even Alfred takes him in, kinda to force Batman into curbing his own skills and be a mentor.

  • July 25, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Three Weeks is Weak

    by dioxholster

    so batman had his 15 minutes of fame in Gotham? susan bowl style. lol fuckin ridiculous

  • July 25, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    3 weeks...i dont think so...

    by Six Demon Bag

  • July 25, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Picture of Susan Boyle in Batman suit

    by dioxholster

    http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol >>> lol

  • July 25, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Picture of Obama in Batman suit

    by dioxholster

    http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol <p> ---- weird but funny

  • July 25, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Picture of Myself in Batman suit

    by dioxholster

    http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol <p> i look sexy, no?

  • July 25, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    I dont expect Nolan

    by grendel69

    ....to "top" TDK. I want the next part of the story. Period. He doesnt have to outdo himself.Nolan had it easy? Bullshit. I wish other filmmakers put as much thought into their films as Nolan and co did for TDK. TDK will rule the land for 1000 years.

  • July 25, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    hyperbole does not exist in this dojo

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    *sigh*

  • July 25, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    jackknifed_juggernaut

    by dioxholster

    thats what i told your mother

  • July 25, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Nolan writes, JOHN WOO directs....

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Warner Bros. wants the next movie to make as much money as possible. The comic geeks will line up for it...the trick is to get all those masses of people that watched Transformers and Spiderman 2 to go watch it also. <BR><BR> Therefore, the villian in Batman cannot be a lesser known one. I don't even think getting the Riddler/Catwoman is enough...you've got to get some brand name actors on board as well.<BR><BR> Why would a studio accept a standard Batman sequel, carried only by Christian Bale, with a no-name villian and no new stars? Is that the way to maximize profits?

  • July 25, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    and Conti, while i agree that Nolan and co. could

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    come up with a conceivable scenario that would make the inclusion of the Boy Wonder as plausible as a rooftop hopping tank, *my* only objection to the attempt is the fact that it's too soon. given the events of the last film, Bats is too busy struggling to keep his own shit together, let alone someone else's. saddling him with the problems presented by caring for a newly orphaned ward would be overkill. there's still much that Nolan could explore while leaving Bats solo. but again, this is just me... and unlike Number9997, i'm not with production on this property, so what do i know?

  • July 25, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Star Hump

    by Subtitles_Off

    You're far too kind. I'll repeat: I hope Nolan never makes another one.

  • July 25, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    magnificent retort, dioxholster

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    you're *your* mother's pride and joy, i'm sure.

  • July 25, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol

    by dioxholster

    http://tinyurl.com/noy8ol

  • July 25, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Fuck Robin..Whats about some Batgirl?

    by conspiracy

  • July 25, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Jacknifed_Juggernaut, 2 things

    by Continentalop

    1) Yes, if the movie had Dick Grayson becoming his partner at the beginning or even middle of the movie. Then it would be to soon. But if the climax of the movie was Bruce Wayne accepting Dick Grayson, I could see it. <p> Imagine Bruce Wayne pissed off, angry at Rachel and Dent's deaths, and being hunted by the cops. He is a bitter man now. Now, imagine if you have a young boy whose parents are killed - say in the first half - of the movie. That young kid would be like Bruce when he was a child - angry at his parents death - AND as he is now - angry at Rachel's death. Bruce Wayne might recognize that and at the end of the movie decide to help Dick overcome his pain and anger. It would be a natural resolution. <p> 2) And for the record, I am mostly just playing Devil's Advocate. Like I said, my major gripe is how people just seem to be adamantly against the idea of Dick Grayson, no matter what the circumstances. <p> Personally, I really hope Nolan just shocks the shit out of everyone next movie and somehow include him. I just want to see the major Dark Knight fans who are vehemently anti-Robin heads start spinning when they hear the name "Richard Grayson" in the film.

  • July 26, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    John Woo directs?...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    Sorry but I'd prefer my Batman not slinging double automatics. How about this? Written and Directed by Christopher Nolan. Fuck, I'd be happy to even hear him back on board for a 3rd flick.

  • July 26, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Personally not down with Robin

    by darthSaul666

    Robin was invented in the comics to make Batman "kid friendly". Then later was made leader of the Teen Titans to sell that tittle... I would rather see Robin in that capacity than a Dark Knight sequel

  • July 26, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    John Woo

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I was just responding to what I read about Nolan wanting to write but not direct. <BR> I have no clue how true that is, but I was just imagining Nolan's incredible Bat-universe with the slick look and feel of something like Face/Off. That's all. No, I wouldn't want Batman with double automatics, but I wouldn't mind some of his enemies having them. :) <BR><BR> I was watching Face/Off the other day and I think it's semi-"realism" is in harmony with Batman.

  • July 26, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Riddle me this! Riddle me that! Who's afraid of the big black ba

    by MrE_Nigma_2012

    I would love to see The Riddler in part 3! The one actor id love to see in the role is Willard star better known as George McFly himself! Crispin Glover! He would have been perfect for either Joker or Riddler! I think more Riddler tho.. He's very freaky in nature!

  • July 26, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    you have a point there

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

  • July 26, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I would wait half a decade.....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    and maybe more for the third batman. As long as a decent script is written and everybody's back on board. I just hope when the day comes and everything is announced people don't get cold feet on the count of Ledger's death. It's like they always say "The show must go on."

  • July 26, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins and Dark Knight are snoozefests

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Nolan is a bland ass fuck director. And wow starting another movie with a bank robbery, let's just shoot Chicago and call it gotham, let's have Heath Deadger just act like a crackhead, let's let Christian Bale just play Patrick Bateman again toned down, and lets film him in the rubber suit again after he's gone through 10 packs of cigarettes each time. Also why is Begins so damn brown? did they smear shit on the negatives or something? and what the fuck is Nigel Powers doing there?

  • July 26, 2009, 3:04 a.m. CST

    takingscorpioscock....

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    I've read a lot of ignorant shit on these posts but you take the shit cake. Die of cancer, SCUMBAG.

  • July 26, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    btw, Nigel Powers?...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    what a faggot ass reference. You suck.

  • July 26, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Nigel Powers? As in Austin Powers' Dad?

    by odo19

    Whoa you're a shithead scorpio. Dissing Michael Caine AND a Mike Meyers fan? Please get in a time machine and go to straight to Auschwitz circa 1943.

  • July 26, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    UPDATED! Gary Oldam drops a giant turd!

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

  • July 26, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    UPDATED! Gary Oldman drops a giant turd!

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

  • July 26, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Fucking Edit Button Harry!!!

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    Make it happen, dammit!

  • July 26, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Nigel Powers

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    yeah shitnugget.

  • July 26, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    odo

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    rub oil over yourself, put on a thong, and enter a mexican prison you fucking pubic hair. also are you going to thank me for that "auschwitze circa 1944" post you stole?

  • July 26, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    shitnugget..........???

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    *shivers*..... "rub oil allover yourself, put on a thong" ?...I know it's early but get yer hands out of yer pants, ya perv!

  • July 26, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST

    I Think Robin Is A Given, It Just Matters Which Robin

    by Red Lantern

    As everyone has pointed out, you can't do Batman without eventually having Robin. Everyone is just concerned with doing it right, so it fits into the films. Some of the arguments are strange, like, "the costume is horrible!" Nolan already changed Two Face and The Joker to make the "costumes" fit, I'm sure Robin would be easy to retool. What is most important is the character and how it fits into the Batman story. Every character so far, including Batman has been adjusted but still been true to the Batman story. I'm not sure why Robin should be any harder to do, except for the one thing that seems to be repeated over and over, it's the gay thing. And it never was in the comics, but it was in the "comics," if you know what I'm saying. It's sad when Jay Leno has an influence on literature.

  • Anyone who uses the word "shitnugget" and makes Austin Powers references isn't clever enough to make a holocaust joke. Nice try though you fucking idiot. Also what are you still doing here?? I thought I told you to go stick yourself in an oven.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    DGDBs old schitck...

    by odo19

  • July 26, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Andillformthehead

    by AsimovLives

    Yoyu know what is the greatest thing about Batman? You can chose which of the interpretatyions you like the best. This is why you can go around being a Batman fan and not even need to watch the Nolan's movies. there has been so many interpretations of Batman, you can stick to one and never even look to any other.<br><br>This is why it's extremely silly for Batman fans to be all worked up and pissed off of Nolan's interpretation. There's many other interpretations out there you can stick to, which the nolan's movie will, not hurt or dammage or change. Being pissed off at the Nolan's movies is just silly and a waste of your fucking time.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Red Lantern

    by AsimovLives

    "There Is No Batman Story Without Robin"<br><br>Sure, of course... if you want to turn Batman gay!

  • July 26, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    isten guys, i'm sure there's a market for a gay Batman

    by AsimovLives

    It's just not the Nolan's movies, that's all.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, no offense...

    by Continentalop

    But the Batman+Robin = Gay is the weakest argument there is. Does Sherlock Holmes+Watson instantly say gay? Does Butch Cassiday+The Sundance Kid instantly equal gay? Robin Hood + Little John? <p> Like I said earlier, the critics who say you can't use Robin because he is "gay" says more about them than it does the character. <p> And if Nolan does have Dick Grayson in the next movie, how much will your head explode?

  • July 26, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Bring back Batgirl...

    by BiggusDickus

    The Alicia Silverstone one. You know, the one that studied at the 'Oxbridge Academy in England.'<p>That made me fucking howl, that did...

  • July 26, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Nolan has manty it very clear he dislikes Robin

    by AsimovLives

    imainge, if you will, that nolan was forced to put Robin in one of his Batmovies. He weoudl do it agaisn this wil. You guys remember the last time a very celebrate director who made a very well received comic book movie was forced to put in his movie a character he disliked? Do i nedd to name that movie for you? OK, i'll, it's Spider-Man 3!<br><br>Nolan doesn't like robin and doesn't want robin in his movies. Bale is with him all the way and threatned to abandon the Batman franshise if Nolan is ever be forced to use Robin.<br><br>But the major point her eis this: Nolan doesn't want Robin. That's it! End of the story. It's obvious that Nolan only wants to focus on Batman and Batman alone. And by now it's clear that Nolan is exploring the solitude of the savior, and the moral and physical tool it takes om him. The inclusion of the Robin would hurt that. Maybe nolan is being cruel and harsh to his Batman, but his batmanis a creature of solitude, he will never lve a normal life, which was one of the big themes of The Dark Knight.<br><br>I think many people have been misguided by the strong presence of The Joker and Harvey Dent in the The Dark Knight that they now think the Batman took a second fiddle to his own story. Which is extremly incorrect. Every characters in both Batman BEgins and The Dark Knight serves a function DIRECTLY TO BATMAN. They alle xist to serves the Batman character. The Nolan Brother,s being the very talented guys they are, of coure would not just let this supporting characters being just charicatures and no-dimention characters runnign arroud in the movie liek cardboards. They infuse to them personalities. And some of them became quite remarkable, like The Joker himself. But the awesomness of The Jokeris to serve Batman. A great villain always help the hero. Hitchcock himself said that, a movie is as good as the villain. The nolasn took that to heart and make one ass kicking villain. But notice that The Joker has less screentime then even two other suporting characters, Rachael Dawes, Jim Gordon and Harvey Dent, hell even Alfred. Everybody is serving The Batman.<br><br>This is to merely point out that in the end, everything is about Batman and Batman only. And the Nolan's Batman is a creature of solitude. He is and always will be alone. The inclusion of robin would fuck that up. now, if you agree with the direction that nolan is taking, that's another different matter.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    No offense taken.<br><br>The gay imagery to Batman and Robin duo is inevitable. It's too strong in the public consciousness right now. Everybody now is savvy to the gay inuendos and mood that has affliected the Dynamic Due. Hell, eventhe Dynamic Due name already is a subject of intense mockery.<br><br>Yiou can't avoid that. It's not a question of me, or soem geeks. It's a qeustion of popular culture. Everybody now associated gay imagery to the Batman and Robin duo. If ever a new Batman movie included Robin, the gay mockery and jokes would come hard and fast. It's inevitalbe. You Pro-Robin guys might chose to be blind to that and ignore that and play the "see-no-evil-hear-no-evil game, but it's there, and it's there even if you pretend it's not there. IT IS THERE! And no amount of rationalization from you will ever make it go away.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST

    SPOCK shouldn't be in STAR TREK because he is gay

    by Continentalop

    Spock is a gay character and shouldn't be in any Star Trek movies, old or new. Why is he gay? <P> • You almost never see him with women <P> • He sleeps with a woman once every 7 years. Hell, I know gay guys who sleep with women more often than that (John Travolta for example). <p> • He is always hanging around Bones and Kirk (unrequited love maybe?) <p> • He has a gay outfit with no pockets...who doesn't have pockets?...<p> • He has pointy ears...who also has pointy ears? Elves. What is another name for elf? Fairy...who are also called fairies? That's right... <p> Spock is gay. Therefore Star Trek, old or new, is gay.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    You Pro-Robin guys have pacience

    by AsimovLives

    Nolan will never put a robin in his Batman movies.<br>Nolan will make the 3rd Batman movie, which will be Robin-less.<br>Now, i'm convinced that the 3rd Batman movie will be the last directed by Nolan. i think everything points to that.<br>So, this means, after Nolan sets out, the studio will have lots of freedom to take the batman franchise to whatever direction they want. And certainly, their first step will be to hire a director they can boss around on their compelte whims, which means,they will hire a hack.<br>Then, and i'm sure the studios as much as many of the geeks here, will be aching to thrown Robin in the mix, to exploit the youth market or some shit liek that.<br><br>This means that, if you guys just have a little bit of pacience, your beloved Robin will eventually be in a Batman movie. Not a nolan Batman movie, and most certainly in a hack directed Batman movie, but you will have your Robin nontheless. And you will have what you wish. Just have a little pacience, that's all.

  • July 26, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    The Spock character as in Jar Jar Abram's Dawson's Trek certainly look pretty gay. By using the Spock from the latest dreadful Dawnson's Trek , your argument is rock solid. Thank goodness i go by the TOS Star Trek.<br><br>And if you really want to go for the gay Trek issue, thn it's beter you star to caem up with the notion of the threesome, because you have to include Bones as well. And maybe even Scotty, for some rear engineering.

  • July 26, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    And by the way, in case you never figured it out, Spock is an alien. He's suposed to be different from humans. He certainly was in the original show. He is not in the new Dawson's Trek show, or at leas tthere's no real alieness to him other then cosmetic superficialities. so, yeah, your opinion that Spock is gay stands... but only for the Dawson's Trek Spock.

  • July 26, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, that is true

    by Continentalop

    NOLAN doesn't want Robin, but it doesn't mean I can't call him out on it and say "Wow. You are a pussy." If someone did the story Huck Finn and stopped it before the appearance of Nigger Jim or cut out that character because he thought he might offend someone or worried how it would play to a modern audience, I would say "stop being a pussy." I would also say as an artist you are not being true to the character. You are taking the easy way out. <p> Plus just because people have a gay connotation right now doesn't mean they won't accept a different version. You forget, Batman himself was viewed as gay and campy until Tim Burton's film came out. And many people always insinuate that Sherlock Holmes and Watson are gay but that doesn't mean you can't make a film about them and present them as NOT gay. Just like you can do a modern film about Charlie Chan and make him not a racial stereotype. <p> Finally, the entire point to me of the Batman films is to present him in a realistic manner and make something that is unbelievable believable. It is to take the essential Batman elements and put them in a movie and make me think it could happen. It is why I want to see Penguin and Catwoman and Riddler as his next foes instead of some lesser known member of his rogues gallery, because I want to see his most important and most definitive villains given the same treatment that Two-Face and Joker got. <p> And it is the same reason I want to see him try, somehow, to explain the idea Dick Grayson in his universe. Dick Grayson and Robin are an essential part of his mythos, more so than Alfred, Gordon, the Batmobile and maybe even the Joker. If Nolan just takes the easy way out and says he never is going to touch him, then to me he is a big fucking coward and pussy, because he is doing something everyone could have done with Huck FInn, Merchant of Venice, The Lone Ranger or Tarzan and eliminate something that people might interpret in a negative or embarrassing way. <p> Grow some balls Nolan and prove me wrong.

  • July 26, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Red Lantern

    by AsimovLives

    You can do Batman without robin very well. You could spend 100 years making Batman stories without Robin, and there would be no lacking.<br><br>I'm sure i don't even need to remind anybody here that Robin was not created specificaly for Batman, but that he was created independently, and later included into the Batman pantheon, because by the 50s DC comics wanted to clean their image and preset themselves as more family-friendly. Long had gone the more cynical and brutal mood tiems of the depression era, and with Eisenhower's spring for america, the darkness of the Batman's comics was ill suite for this new optimistic times. Thus, they included robin to bring in younger teens and children readerships,a dn to lighten up Batman from the drumm and drang.<br><br>Batman as created was a darker creation made at gr