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Capone comments on the Freddy Krueger images, and his recent visit to ELM STREET!!!
Hey everyone. Capone in San Diego here.
Just chiming in as I count the hours down until all hell breaks loose at Comic-Con tonight and tomorrow morning. There's already a sizable line outside the massive Hall H, with females of all ages awaiting their beloved NEW MOON panel tomorrow afternoon. I'll be there too, so you won't have to miss a second or decibel of it.
But I'm not here to talk about vampires; I'm here to talk about pedophiles with crispy faces and a homemade glove with metal claws. I'm here to talk about Freddy Krueger and the reboot of the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET franchise. A few weeks back I was lucky enough to visit the Chicago-based set of the new ELM STREET, which spent a couple months in various Chicago-area locations. This particular visit was to an empty warehouse on the West Side of the city, inside of which were several active sets, shooting what we were told would be scenes from the last few minutes of the film. This is not my Official Set Visit Report, which unfortunately won't come until much closer to the film's April 2010 release. But since there's a strong chance that attendees of Warner Bros. Comic-Con panel will get their first glimpse of the new Freddy Krueger (as portrayed masterfully by Jackie Early Haley) at the Friday morning panel, the online journalists who were on that set visit are being allowed to preview what we saw and heard without giving away too much.
Regarding those shadowed photos that have come out in the last day or so, anyone who thinks Haley's version of Krueger is a carbon copy of Robert Englund's is in for a bucket of ice-cold water dumped on your head. Yes, the sweater and fedora (made by the same company that made all the hats for PUBLIC ENEMIES, by the way) are pretty much how you remember them, but when we got our first glimpse of Haley in full Freddy makeup, there were two very shocking things that hit me: How realistic the makeup looked (without giving away too much, I'll ask you to remember exactly how Freddy got his unique "look") and the subtle differences on the original look this new version offers. Is it a better look? Will people take the new face of Freddy to heart? I truly have no idea. Let's just say that I almost (inadvertently) got into an argument over how I felt about the new look with the Platinum Dunes guys, and it wasn't because I didn't like it.
The other aspect to the film that most people are wondering about is, obviously, any changes or additions to the plot. Since this IS Platinum Dunes, of course there is a Freddy backstory, but I'm actually on board with this one. Freddy is not some silent, faceless monster (okay, he's a little faceless). At one point he was a man, and he has an interesting story that I think will work as part of this film. One of the sets we glimpsed was Krueger's workshop, complete with a TV/VCR set up and loads of blank video cassettes (my mind wondering what kind of sick shit this guy watched, and then I spotted a copy of ORCA amid his collection--ew!). In addition to Freddy's background, we also get a little history concerning his child victims and their parents, which, again, I'm okay with, especially since past and the present are tied together in this film.
We also saw a dream sequence that involved some pretty rad make-up tricks, a pick-up shot from another scene that showed Freddy at his most ferocious and murderous, and got a chance to talk to all of the cast members on set that day, including Haley, Rooney Mara (Nancy), and Kyle Gallner (as the Depp-ish Quentin). Behind the scenes, I've got interviews with first-time feature director and veteran music video legend Samuel Bayer; production designer Patrick Lumb; props man (and designer of Freddy new claws) Bill Dambra; makeup wizard Andrew Clement; and, of course, Andrew Form and Bradley Fuller of Platinum Dunes. It was a great visit, and I can't wait to tell you about it and see what the makers have to show at Comic-Con this year.
More on this later...
-- Capone
capone@aintitcoolmail.com
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Jul 22, 2009 7:23:59 PM CDT
Has anyone benefitted from a role more than JEH in Little Childr
by azultool
I know there's Travolta in Pulp Fiction, Sinatra in East of Eden. But, jeez, at least they were still in the business. Good for Jackie.
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Mainly, because interpretations of Freddy might be interesting. Michael Myers was perfect in the 1st Halloween. Jason, to me, is somewhat 1 dimensional no matter how you interpret him. Freddy, on the other hand, could be taken so many different directions and still be fun and disturbing.
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it's always a set with a dead tree on it, and glass in front of the person with something written on it in lipstick. oh and everything shifts in and out of focus really quickly.
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Bayer directed "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Cobain himself re-edited Bayer's. An interesting connection here is that Cobain often wore a Freddy Krueger sweater onstage. http://tinyurl.com/km5udv
I'm interested in seeing Freddy's "new face" now but it just seems that an entire re-design sans sweater and fedora would've been nice. -
I wrote this in another Elm Street thread but do you know if in the remake/re imagining/new take they delve into the child molester/killer side of Freddy Kruger before he is BBQ'd. Outside of the first movie, the Freddy in the the original films was someone the audience cheered for. A child molester/rapist/killer is perhaps the most monstrous and evil thing in our world. I hope the writers can actually create a character we truly hate/fear, but I guess I am hoping for too much.
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WTF man? That movie is great! I disagree with you Capone, setting a precedent for further disagreements on the internet. Because nobody has ever done that before.
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...that came up with this one?
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was their a chubby ginger 'female' in a wheelchair at the head of that queue perchance? Just wondering
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They're going to totally redo all the kick ass kills from the original.
Tina, who gets her stomach slashed opened In front of her boyfriend who cant do nothing but watch an invisible force paint the room with her.
Freddy's attempt to drown Tina in the tub.
The "Depp" bed fountain
Some of the best shit I've ever seen in a horror film with a 2010 twists----I'm sorry-
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY REMAKING THIS MOVIE!?
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...is a fat ginger boob.Oh, yes, and this will suck MUCH balls!
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I'll watch this one too, because if we don't support these remakes, well then Hollywood will stop making them. We must support these remakes, in order to get special editions of the original films.
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was the first movie I watched on home video; Betamax. My mom knew a guy who had a walk-on part. Is this a remake of the first Elm Street movie?
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Everyone is screaming they hate reboots, but love Dark Knight, and want to see Spiderman rebooted. Which is it?
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and then the franchise will disappear into oblivion. That's how these horror remakes from Mikey bay work. No fisting rights for you, sir.
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,,,where an angry and drunk richard harris fucks and then eats a killer whale?
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Be sure to support Bay's cocaine habit. Long live the mullet and brown leather jacket.
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Jul 22, 2009 8:03:19 PM CDT
sam bayer makes some great fuckin videos
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
smells like teen spirit, a few storkes videos, green days holiday, jesus of suburbia and american idiot, and some other classics. i coulda swore he made nirvanas in bloom though?
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I'm down for a different story with the same characters. I'm even down with a re-make of a Bad movie, I personally enjoyed The Hills Have eyes re-make as well as the Last house on the left which I thought was far better than the originals.
I'm just sick of these remakes that attempt to remake or re-do the scenes that made the originals great, for instance the Hitcher and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Leave it up to these ass holes and they would re-make The Adam West Batman movie as it was. We wouldn't get Nolan's version, which at this rate is going to be re-made before the decade is out. -
The film that was not only a total rip-off of Jaws, was even named after Quint's boat in Jaws, and one of the first scenes involved a killer whale making quick work of a great white to make it seem like these things were far more frightening, even though blonde bimbettes ride them at Sea World.
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I saw that flick when i was a kid & thought it was cool. Bo Derek getting her leg chomped off by a killer whale whilst in her lounge room made me laugh my ass off. Why doesn't Hollywood try doing some giant animal movies eating c-grade stars instead of remakes. Eric Roberts fighting a giant beaver, I'd watch that.
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Its funny how in another topic someone mentioned Jackie in Little Children praising his performance and I happened to catch it on TV this very same day/night. Never saw him in anything else and have to say hes a pretty good actor (at least from this role). So Im actually interested and believe he can pull of a Krueger. As for the rest of the film, Im sure its going to suck, but I know his Krueger will be good. Enough to save this movie? no.
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videos? chris fucking cunningham! i know that ship has sailed but still, it shouldve been
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And that was around 1989.I always thought that Shamu son a bitch looked liked he wanted to jump out his tank and munch on the disabled kids in the front row... maybe I should watch the whole movie.
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Are they doing sick fuck or comedy slasher?
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Opening Weekend, a reboot of A Nightmare on Elm Street will make more. Freddy was always more popular than Jason at the box office. This comes out in April of next year when there isn't shit out. It will make money. And I wont defend Platinum Dunes (because F13 was bland and needed more bite), but they have had successes over 50 million. The TCM remake nearly hit the century mark. And F13 being mediocre still managed to make 91 million (world wide) on a 16 million budget. Plus an additional 7 million on DVD. A reboot of Nightmare will top that, and will probably be their most successful film. My only only only suggestion to them is to not let Jablonsky do another uninteresting and bland score that sounds like banging trash cans. His boring score for F13 made the movie drag when it shouldn't have.
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Shit that was an evil film. Doesn't it flick a guy with it's tail at the end and smash him on a iceberg? And the chick is just left alone? Shit, I haven't seen that since I was 6 yrs old, that's over 16yrs ago. My memory is masterful!
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I can't stress that enough to Fuller and Form. The Nightmare theme, the score, even the 1, 2 Freddy's Coming For You better be in this or it's FAIL... After that mess of a score for F13 I hope they know better. I'd even fucking take Tuesday Knight's Nightmare theme from Part 4 over another boring fucking score from Jablonsky.
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You know, the giant mutated bear movie (among other creatures). I love both of those movies for being cheesy but taken seriously by the actors involved.
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He's the grandson of the original.
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...you managed to say absolutely nothing about the film, and definitely nothing interesting!
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As in, is Freddy a real life killer or is he still only exist in dreams? Also, just out of curiousity, what kind of argument could you have gotten into involving a design choice you approve of with the guys who made the design?
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I thought I'd seen every video nasty ever made, How did I miss Prophecy. Just IMDB'd it, damn Frankenheimer had an up & down career.
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He's a child murderer / rapist (the first film clouds this a little, as back then child abusers were seen as too strong a subject). The parents on Elm St kill him. And he comes back in dreams for revenge by murdering the children of those that killed him. In dreams. If you die in the dream, you die in real life. That's the story.
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PROPHECY is a piece of shit. Its only claim to fame is the attention it gets paid (by accident) in Stephen King's book DANSE MACABRE.
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three articles for the same movie during the same day. Like we're supposed to be flipping through all three? It's not like we're looking at reviews from three AICN staffers.
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This time he's Nancy's grampa instead of dad.
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and played by Woll Smoth
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motherfucker teeniboppers better not take all the seats for AVATAR.
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Jul 22, 2009 10:13:27 PM CDT
So you got in an argument because you LIKED the make-up?!
by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon
Now that don't make any damned sense. If you thought it was so fantastic wouldn't the platinum dunes guys take it as a compliment?
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I know remakes make money, but I seriously cannot get my head around the need for these films. Doesn't DVD-Bluray-downloads negate the need for "introducing these films to a brand new audience" as all these hacks sprout every time they do it. I live in the arse end of Australia & I can get a hold of any damn flick I've ever wanted to see without leaving my chair. So tell me young'uns, have you seen any of these films without some prior knowledge or viewing of the originals? I'm just curious.
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...for nine more months and this site is ALREADY fawning all over it. Do you think the Platinum Dunes guys gave Harry a peek at the advertising $$$ they'll be spending at AICN next year? Let the ass-kissing begin!!!!!
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The nightmare movies are good because of Freddy. Freddy is good because of Robert Englund. Platinum dunes has not made ONE movie that I liked so far. And I went to see all of them in the theater because I was behind them every time. Chainsaw, Amityville, Jason- every time I was pumped and every time, they disappointed me. This time, I'm insulted right off the bat because of the casting. I have no problem with the actor they chose, I just have a problem with the fact that they think they can get away with choosing anybody other than Englund when he is alive and well, and certainly more than willing to play the part. It can't be a marketing thing because nobody goes to see a movie just because Jackie Three Name Haley is in it. "Hey guys, you wanna see the new Haley flick?" "Uh...no"
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Horror villains are always a lot scarier when there is absolutely no explanation whatsoever for their murderous behavior.
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Apart from the quick paycheck. Do they think they can express someone else's idea better than the creator? Has a "more realistic take" ever resulted in a better film? Keep them away from the Sistine Chapel, please.
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If they want to portray Freddy as a hateful and frightening figure, they could not have cast Englund in the role. He has been hamming it up for years as Freddy, and his portrayal wouldn't suit a more horrific interpretation.
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Because it fucks my chance of seeing a sequel to the spectacular "Freddy vs Jason". I'm am not kidding, either. I want that fucking sequel.
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So they can mop up all the douches from the women at the Twilight Panel
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his lips and other easy to burn crap are gone..twoface but in one face..kinda...Im wondering if they have kept the flames a bit,..we shall see...on pne version they were there now and again...
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needs to stop playing every role like he's still Beaver Casablancas
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I would have liked a sequel to FvJ because there were so many unanswered questions in the first. Seriously, though, I liked that movie but I hated all of the kids. Talk about some annoying douches. And what the fuck was with the Jay wannabe? That kid was really annoying.
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Please have something good on film! Hope I didnt post that twice.
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I love the way the Ronny Yu paid homage to both characters without changing them to please a new audience.
I thought the story was handled very well. Freddy was like Loki in that thing, with all his manipulating and scheming. I especially enjoyed how he made Jason his lap dog until the tables turned on him.
Both battles they had in Freddy's realm and in Jason's were epic. And the "douche bag" teenager kills were quality. Especially when Jason backhand's that Destiny's Child bitch into a tree, too bad it wasn't Beyonce.
The stuff they did with Freddy in the beginning when they give you some of his background was well played by Englund.
One of my favorite scenes was the party in the cornfield. When the one kid who looked like Jack Black threw the hundred proof swill he was drinking on Jason and sets him on fire.
And what do you get? Jason Vorhees, on fire chopping up every-thing in site!
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Most of the original movies were made in the 70's/80's and despite some cosmetic differences they are still as fresh as they were the day they were released. Phillip Kaufman's Invasion of the Body Snatchers, John Carpenter’s The Thing and David Cronenberg’s The Fly are, IMHO, the three best remakes ever made but the original films were very cheesy and corny because they were made in the 50’s and 60’s when filmmakers didn’t take the Horror/Sci-fi genres seriously. Would anyone here compare the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers/The Thing/The Fly to The Texas Chainsaw massacre, Friday the 13th or A Nightmare on Elm Street? You couldn’t and that’s because Chainsaw, F13th and ANOES were made in the 1980’s when filmmakers didn’t have the restrictions that they did in the 50’s or 60’s in regards to sex or violence or the types of story they wanted to tell. The one and only point of these remakes today is to rebrand, repackage and resell these old concepts to us and that is because Hollywood today is completely and utterly devoid of anything resembling originality, innovation or intelligence. The studio’s are run by corporate Wall Street style scum who are totally creatively bankrupt while the youth of today are brain dead morons who will lap up a flashy remake made by some music video/commercial directing hack because they are soo fucking riddled with ADD that they couldn’t possibly watch the original films or anything that doesn’t have epileptic cinematography or rapid fire editing. FUCK THE WORLD!!!
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Jul 23, 2009 12:57:59 AM CDT
Freddy vs. Jason was better than that Friday reboot
by theycallmemrtibbs
and possibly will be better than the new Elm Street.
Why?
Because Ronny Yu was a fan of those characters. I even enjoyed his take on Chucky.
That's not to say that he's the only one out there. I believe there are plenty of directors and writers that love this type of material.
Hollywood execs need to understand If you don't bring people aboard that have a genuine passion for the material and they take the assignment as a "shit" job that could lead to them doing "bigger " and "better" things, re-makes and re-boots will not work.
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from what ive seen he looks more like an actual burn victim rather than the cheese on a pizza this time round.
has the burns made the features of his face unrecognisable????
have a look at this zoom in as far as you can.
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Then I thought. I am actually looking forward to this. Jason and Meyers were just so simple to begin with. Freddy is a real character and will take a good director and actor to pull it off.
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He's always playing Beaver Casablancas, as someone said before.
I really loved TCM remake. Amityville was crap, The Hitcher was meh and Friday The 13th could have been a lor better. Bad characters ruined the movie, because Nispel got the tone and look.
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I think it was in 4 or 5 maybe. Could be Freddy's Dead. He is the bastard son of 1000 maniacs. A nurse was locked in an asylum overnight and raped by the inmates. He then, of course, went on to become a child raping serial killer.
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I thought the idea was he was wrongly accused and burned to death and then he comes back to murder the kids as revenge. A dodgy video collection sounds like they might have changed their minds.
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may be one of the best sequels out there.
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The guy's going to be one huge character actor in a few years. He was phenomenal on Veronica Mars.
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If you want to see geek rage in force, I did this review a while ago. Fucking awful film. http://tinyurl.com/kqwfza
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moocher some work is a good thing. "breaking away" you bitches.
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"Freddy is not some silent, faceless monster (okay, he's a little faceless). At one point he was a man, and he has an interesting story that I think will work as part of this film."
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Yeah, they had Englund with no makeup at all and everything. It's been done. Or they could reboot it, and say Freddy isn't a man but really a reptillian visitor from another planet. One two Willie's coming for you.
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Capone, why are you wasting your time w/ that nonsense? Nobody here cares about Twilight.
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FUCK THE NOES REMAKE! You replace the iconic actor who has played him 8 fucking times w/ the fanboy flavor of the month, well fuck you. -
but died. people seem to forgive pedofils after they die. at least this what I saw recently
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He should've been brought on board in some capacity, the fact he wasn't is bullshit. Both The Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes Remakes were better movies for his involvement.
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a preview for what is in essence a glorified blog. A blog not coming out for 8 months. Yippy.
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Jul 23, 2009 9:10:52 AM CDT
It makes sense that Freddy would like "Orca."
by the reluctant austinite
What other film lets the "monster" win. Even though the killer whale would seem to be the film's villian, in many ways he's actually the hero. He's just seeking revenge against those who wronged him and killed his family. I could see Freddy identifying with this film.
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Jul 23, 2009 9:17:37 AM CDT
Burn victims tend to lose their lips, noses, ears, and eyelids.
by uncle stan
I expect the pedophile's new make-up will incorporate one or more of these features.
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Jul 23, 2009 9:23:09 AM CDT
Make his motivation the same as Luthor's from The Warriors
by turketron_2
"I just like doing stuff like this!"
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BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAHAHAHAAH
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To me, that is the most memorable death scene in the original film. After that I could never fall asleep with headphones on.
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Nice.
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Jul 23, 2009 9:57:41 AM CDT
This is like Beaks Set Visit Preview that was never posted.
by wickedjester
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That's one fun movie.
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According to Fuller and Form. His days as Freddy are behind him. Freddy vs Jason was ass. Over the top, corny, badly acted (with the exception of Ritter and "Linderman") ass. The lead was the worst actress ever. Kelly Rowland was retarded. And Freddy only killed like 2 fucking people. Stupidity. Sorry. It was a Jason movie with a Freddy cameo and a ridiculous fight at the end. No need to see a sequel. That shit is done. I am not against reboots, if they are going to bring an iconic character from my childhood back for a new audience, I'm cool with it. But their only good remake was the TCM remake. And it wasn't the same as the original. But it was an amped up, cleaned up, slick paced movie that had it been called TCM5, people would have been ok with it. But since it was a remake, people screamed bloody murder. The sequel to the remake was stupid because it had connect the dots plotting like "Oh that's how he lost his legs" "Oh that's how he got the sheriff's uniform" and offered nothing new to any "Mythology" they created in the remake. Amityville was just boring. The Hitcher was pointless. F13 lacked bite. It was tame in my opinion. And I feel as if it didn't go to far. TCM had bloodier moments than F13. But the "Killer Cut" on DVD was at least a little better. But the score still sucked and the ending still ripped off "Wrong Turn 2".
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So nonsensical. I don't care if it was an homage to the first one, this ending was too stupid.
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PS. This sounds like shit.
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Jul 23, 2009 11:30:32 AM CDT
So your glowing review will come out tomorrow now right?
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
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C'mon, gang. Kid in a cocoon sleeping bag hopping around to get away only to be broadsided up against a tree. Fat dude caught under a chain link fence gets his skull chomped off his shoulders which is casually chewed and crunched offscreen. Compleat with little Yogi sized beasts. Good times!
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Is that long shot of the Bear at the shore of the lake tossing that dummy into the air.
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Just based on other remakes. I am "of the 80's." Was a teenager then, and a huge fan of all three original movie franchises.
The first two have been far less entertaining or "good" than the originals. Friday the 13th should have been the easiest remake, since (as everyone points out) Jason is pretty much a cipher. Yet, it was unbelievable boring. Not scary. Not sexy. Not fun. I will never watch another movie directed by Marcus Nispel again.
Zombie's Halloween was a little bit better. His "prologue" was ok, but the actual Halloween night section was not scary either. And Zombie really only does one thing: White trash sadism. Still, I plan to see H2 next month, and that says something (considering Devils Rejects is one of the worst, and not in a good way) movies I've ever seen.
I think Nightmare on Elm Street still holds up today, and I think a remake will be significantly less creepy/scary. I can't imagine they will have as much sex. I can't imagine Nancy's mom will have the development she got with Ronee Blakely's original. I bet the death scenes will be more CGI, less explicit. And Nancy....Pretty hard to top original Nancy. Still, Freddy has unlimited potential. I just doubt the filmmakers will have the imagination to pull it off. -
Has brought back fond memories of the original. In retrospect, a horror movie about a freakin' pedophile who kills teens in their dreams seems kinda... sketchy. But then, hey, it was the 80s, the Age of Weirdness. Big hair, bright clothes, and synth-pop by androgenous artists. I was staying over with a friend, and there was girls and junk food aplenty, and Wes Craven's Nightmare was a modern-day ghost story, a fresh boogieman icon in an otherwise routine genre. I can't see them recapturing lightning in a bottle, but I'm always up for being pleasantly surprised.
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That movie was a gift to horror fans. (sighs wistfully)
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was a fun movie. No it wasn't frightening, but after so many Friday the 13ths and so many Nightmares what did you expect? It was a fun crossover movie, and pissed on the other recent crossover movie, AVP, from a great height. It was made with an honest attempt at entertainment...it modernised it's concepts to a point without pissing on what came before and, come to think of it, it was the darkest Elm Street since the original.
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wow...i've never ever seen anyone say that, i always see people saying the opposite. i mean sure Jason gets most of the action but the look and style and tone is definately Nightmare. if it leans more to one side then its definately a Nightmare movie with Jason added in.
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is becoming tiresome.
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Enough already. Come original, people! And stop whoring out our beloved memories to some damn demographic!
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No matter who loses, WE WIN!
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You're right. I think the filmmaker's thinking was that since Jason films have been made in places as diverse as Manhattan and SPACE, that Jason is more essential than his environment (Crystal Lake), whereas all of Freddy's movies (exc. New Nightmare) are in Springwood/Elm Street.
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Any Jason X love in here? I just gotta say, I think it's got some of the best kills (Liquid Nitrogen, Turn of the Screw), some of the best lines ('It's ok, he just wanted his machete back!'), definitely the best fx, of the entire franchise. Oh, and the holodeck sequence IS hilarious ('You wanna drink some beer? Or smoke some pot? Or have pre-marital sex? We love pre-marital sex!). And a cameo by the Berg! (Cronen) I wanna see a sequel to THAT
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But this movie is gonna suck harder than red matter.
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JASON X fucking rocked. I watched it on a Friday night, after pizzaa and beer, with a couple of best mates. Fucking brilliant night at the movies!
Fuck the haters. This is NOT Shakespeare. Great kills, some good lines and some hot chick action are all that's required. Oh, and Kane Hodder. Gotta respect the originals.
But yeah, JASON X was just unpretentious fun that wanted nothing other than to entertain, which it did in spades. How could anyone hate JASON X? Fucking nerds. JASON X ROCKED! -
Don't have any hope of this film having the balls to make Freddy Krueger a fucked up beyond belief pedophile zombie killer. In this remake he may or may not have been the killer which means he's probably just a killer back for revenge because he was wrongly framed which already shoots this fucking remake in the kneecaps. Go on imdb FAQ page and feel my fury.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs
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http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2009/07/face-of-new-freddy-krueger.html
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