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Learn Who Plays Lord Ned Stark In HBO’s A GAME OF THRONES!!
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Sean Bean (Boromir in the “Lord of the Rings” movies) returns to the fantasy realm as the lead in the “Game of Thrones” pilot opposite Mark Addy (“Still Standing”), who plays King Robert.
“The Visitor” director Tom McCarthy is reuniting with his “Station Agent” star, Peter Dinklage, for the HBO project, based on George R.R. Martin’s series of “A Song of Ice and Fire” fantasy novels .
Bean plays royal advisor Ned Stark. Also cast are Kit Harrington as Stark’s illegitimate son Jon Snow, Harry Lloyd (Will Scarlett in the BBC’s 2006 “Robin Hood” series) as the weak ruler Viserys, and Jack Gleeson (a little boy in “Batman Begins”) as King Robert's son Joffrey.
The Hollywood Reporter has the plot:
The books revolve around a battle among seven kingdoms and between two ruling families for control of the Iron Throne, the possession that ensures survival through a 40-year winter to come.
Find all of the Reporter’s story on the matter here.
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This is the one project that i'm actually fascinated by-The Game Of Thrones is brutal and epic
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He is very gladdened by the news-you should check out Aint It bale news to learn more.
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shit...hbo suits are out of their fucking minds and i guess preacher is now dead and buried
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Not familiar with the books, but if I read that plot synopsis on any other network I'd immediately write it off, that it's HBO piques my interest.
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The plot does sound kind of stupid if you describe it, but its actually pretty fucked up.
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Thanks Herc, this is the one project that I've been dying to hear about.
After HBO got cold feet on "Preacher" I this project would get axed as well...This series is extremely ambitious in scope-and if Martin hadn't worked in TV before-I'd think it literally impossible to even attempt-This is cool!
Those of you who haven't read it before-It would basically be something like rome meets deadwood meets sopranos meets tolkien.
Those who haven't read it yet-I'd *almost* say don't start the books-they are too good and you'll get sucked in and start reading past the first season in no time.
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Any idea ? I know not for a while but would still like to know.
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Read the book, everyone. It takes a little bit to get going, but then after a good bit the book just goes down roads you never would expect. This is excellent, excellent casting. The relationship between Ned/Robert is vital to the success of the first season, and setting these two families down what eventually will be a very long, blood-riddled path.
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I'd almost say don't read *any* synopsis or scripts of this humdinger.
Speaking as a slavish fanboy, the real strength of the series is the plot-you *really* can't anticipate what's going to happen one moment to the next-and the curveballs this series throws-they are something else...
In honor of the material-that's as specific as I'm going to get-and hopefully others will do so as well.
Wow, a project I actually give a damn about and am already leaping to defend/justify-it boggles my cynical mind...
Just to see the sets and scenery would be worth price of admission.
Please god, get them to hire peter jackson's WETA to do prcatical model sets-hell yeah!
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The synopsis you provided is terrible and is pretty much just plain wrong in its facts. The best bet is to just read the books and find out for one's self what it's all about.
It's better than LotR, yes it is. I wouldn't have thought it possible either until I got to book 3 in the series, which just blew my mind.
There is stuff that happens in this series that will delight and enrage you, all at once. One friend of mine literally took a bite out of his copy of the book at one point he got so emotionally invested, and another threw hers across the room (at the same point), only to pick up up 20 minutes later (once she'd recovered some of her composure) and kept reading for another 100 pages. -
I hope the strong casting decisions mean this series gets past the pilot. Can't wait to watch the story unfold.
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I'm churning rainbows through my digestive system just at the thought of Sean Bean as Ned. Addy is a cool choice for Robert too. Never would have thought of him as a first choice, but he makes sense. But who the hell is Kit Harrington?
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OH MY FUCKING GOD, YES YES YES IT'S REALLY HAPPENING YES GOD YES WOOP WOOP WOOPOHHHHHHH FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-----
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Yeah, one more post aught to do it: http://grrm.livejournal.com/
Looky looky, gents. Pick-a-chures! That Kit guy looks the part, at least. -
AICN will fall in love with this story... and if they do as good of a job as they did with Rome then this will become a thing of legend in the geek world.
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...obviously didn't bother reading the books. Anyway, the casting seems absolutely phenomenal so far. It's important that we care about all the different characters in this series, since at any time, anyone (and I mean ANYONE) can kick the bucket. Hopefully it will make that b***ard Martin get off his arse and finish the next bloody book, too. At this rate he's going to keel over dead beore he's done like Robert Jordan or Frank Herbert did, and we'll have one more unfinished story to mourn.
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True Blood is banging! Herc, why no forum for it? It's becoming a huge show!
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It gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it-Freakin Jordan kicked the bucket halfway through the *last* of 12 books-about 6 of which were basically the most useless kind of filler-GOD!
I bloody spotted that trend occuring as soon as book 3-and threw the damn thing in the corner and made a promise:I'll read this (Jordan) series when it's *completely* finished.
Ha and 12 years later the bastard kicks the bucket halfway thoughthelast book-unbelievable...
and freakin herbert-I read the entire Dune series-and i remeber thinking on the last published book-He's one maybe 2 books away from this thing actually ending-Gah! -
Has RED RIDING been shown in the States yet?
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I love its getting made, but I don't think a viewing audience will take the twists and turns well. There is a lot of death and violence towards children as well. I think it will have a banging ratings for the first season and then when the shit its the fan in book two, people will get pissed. I am not a big fan of the last book either which I figure will have to be combined with the one coming out in September. Its a great story, but there are times when you will scratch your head at things and it gets really depressing especially with the Red wedding. Good luck with it though, this may get me to order HBO.
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I never imagined Sean Bean as Ned Stark, but you know what? It works for me. So far, the announced cast is a very good one.
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But what will they do if Martin doesn't finish this thing? It took him five years to release the fourth book, and that was only half of the story he intended to tell. Almost five years later, and we're still waiting for the fifth book. At this pace, the series might end in another 25 years, assuming Mr. Martin is still around.
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i want to be in this...does one have to actually know how to act?
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Nothing has got me this geeked up since Star Wars Prequals in 1998. I'm looking forward to this more than The Hobbit and The Avengers.
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Winter Is Coming had this news FIVE DAYS AGO!
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Yeah the books are good, but no they're not better than Tolkien, not by a long shot.
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...he's a eunuch spymaster. More or less a sympathetic character, but cunning and driven. Physically weak, perhaps, but with a strong will to protect the kingdom. Sigh. Maybe this will inspire Martin to finish the books before he keels over from a heart attack.
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You got your "V" named characters mixed up. You are talking about Varys. Viserys is Dany's brother, the crazy one.
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If you really think Dance is coming out that soon then I have some bad news for you, buddy...
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the synopsis left that part out.
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His "Dragon's wrath" entails beating his sister because she's the only one who'll let him. What a loser. Boy, does he meet a "sticky" end. I love these books! I can't wait for the series! Go HBO! And George, please finish writing the books before you die of a heart attack. Thanks.
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That's fucking hilarious! I didn't know that. This just made my day
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out of my mind for this...the books have all been stellar. I hope HBO picks it up for series.
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So beyond exciting at this casting news. Bean and Dinklage!! Wow.
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The series is great, but it is never ending, and I think he wrote himself into something he has no idea how to finish. And now he is insulting the fans for their temerity to actually ask him to finish the damn series. Nice.
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You'd better hope that this fuckin' pilot doesn't get turned into a series. Cause if'n it does, I reckon it's liable to not make it past a second fuckin' season.
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If this series is anything remotely similiar to the books, it will not find the audience to sustain it...Martin fluffers notwithstanding...
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You mean the best fantasy books every written should be changed for the series?
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How are they going to finish it? The author's story has spun far out of control. There isn't even remotely going to be an ending because the writer has choked. On the other hand, maybe a screenwriter can figure out an ending for it all.
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...what's going to happen. It's just taking him forever to write it. Hopefully he finishes before he dies or leaves notes. Also, I liked the most recent book probably best of all although I know that sentiment isn't shared by many.
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Perhaps he is 'furiously re-writing book five?' yeah right. Well at least we know 'for certain' that Wheel of Time will be wrapped up in only three more books. When Jordan himself was planning on wrapping it with just one- which was only six books too many! Fucking money grubbing ghouls.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMb5BVQtKHY
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Why doesn't this site update like it used to? I remember I'd visit AICN a couple times during my work day and it always had new stuff. Not so much anymore. I find more stuff on firstshowing or latinoreview, so its not like stuff's not happening. What's the hold up?
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Sean Bean is great whether he's playing a badass (LOTR) or a diplomat (TROY).
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This series changed what I consider to be good fantasy fiction. I'm glad HBO seems to be taking this seriously. . hopefully we'll see Summer, Ghost, and Grey Wind in action without it looking corny.
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For the uninitiated, run, don't walk to go read this stuff now! This is inspired casting I think, I can totally imagine them in the roles now. I gotta say even though he's short lived, Ned's my favorite character in the series. I feel truly bad for those types who are not into reading books (we have all met them) because this series slays all other fantasy, or historical drama. I wonder how they are gonna portray the eunuchs so it's evident that they are ya know, cut. Varys, Strong Belwas, etc.
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The plot summary is bollocks. Whoever holds the Iron Throne has no relation to the long seasons, which are down to a supernatural cause. The throne didn't even exist until thousands of years after the long seasons started.
Anyway, Bean and Addy are good choices. Lloyd was pretty good in those DOCTOR WHO episodes and was one of the better things about the otherwise dire ROBIN HOOD. Harrington is a newcomer who's built up some buzz after a few good stage performances. Interesting choices.
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Bean is perfect for this. I loved the first three books, and kinda hated the fourth one. We'll see if I even bother reading the fifth, assuming it ever comes out.
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if hbo needed to they could end it at book 3. It would be dark, but doable.
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grack
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maybe mark addy has developed all these years? er...
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I checked amazon last month and they had a release date of September, now they are saying it was released in April 08 as an import, but nothing is available. What the fuck?
I don't think you can end on book 3 due to the amount of chaos going on at the end. I am sure you can speed things up especially with the non-Stark characters. Maybe Tyrion and the princess with the eggs. Everyone else besides the Starks are just exposition pieces. -
I'm pretty sure i can imagine exactly how it's supposed to end, but the amount of stuff that has to go down in rapid order in books 6 and 7 is staggering...
I admit I agree with other posters that book 4 in some ways was a an almost tactical error on martin's part by focusing on secondary/unlikable characters arcs-something he basically 'fesses up to...
Book 5 has the 3 strong/sympathetic arcs happening at the same time.
in hindsight, if i knew it really was going to take this bloody long-I would not have read book 4 until book 5 was completed-which is what i recommend to first time readers...My feeling is that books 6 and 7 will actually write themselves relatively quickly compared to the morass of 4 and 5-I can see it now in my head-but boy is there a lot of mayhem that would have to happen in very short order to cap it all in book 7.
If i have the feel correct for the overall series-he's writing books 6 and 7 while he's finishing 5-but I'm frustrated as well.
Martin gets annoyed as hell because after slogging for most of 30 years in relative obscurity-he hits his stride late in life-and you can sense he wants to go to cons and actually hang out a little bit before it's all over-who can blame him for being human? -
More likely a publisher/solicitation thingie prematurely issued by the publisher-these things happen... ,p>
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I do not fault Martin one bit for wanting to live his life and not be strapped to a keyboard. Yes, as a fan of the series(even though book 4 sucked walrus dick)I want to see him return to form and conclude the thing - not drag it out like Jordan did (and now like his publisher is doing with a new writer), or like Goodkind did. I actually stopped reading Goodkind because after book two it was total shit. 'Oh, Kahlan needs rescuing!' 'Oh, Richard forgot me!' 'Oh, Richard needs rescuing!' 'Oh Kahlan forgot me!' So, if Martin needs to step back and enjoy his fame, then I can dig it. Better to write when he is inspired and produce the glory's of books 1-3, than that abortion of a book 4.
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I don't see it all leading to some huge event then some sort of resolution. These people in this world will always be at each other's throats, when this war is over there will be another. There will always be someone else who wants the throne, etc. If they ended it like the Sopranos I wouldn't care. Just give me a couple more direwolf scenes, a couple good rape scenes and a battle at the end where somebody important dies and I'm happy. As for Goodkind, I love his work, but then Ayn Rand is my favorite author.
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Great casting. Bean is perfect for a role like this, but I also dig the other choices for the remaining roles.
This series could be really, really good.
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Yes, he shamelessly ripped off Jordan, but his first two books did it with style. Then, he killed his most interesting villain - which was good if the series ended, but not so good when you decide to drag it out for 15 years to milk every last drop out of it. Oh, yeah, I am geeked that Martins story is being filmed. Book 4 was horse poop, but I hope he watches some football and gets inspired!
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Sean FUCKING Bean- friend of genre geeks worldwide. Praise Bale, indeed.
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...you're both right, though in my partial defense there's an awful lot of characters and it's been a long, LONG time between books. Seriously, George...WRITE. And when you're not writing take a brisk walk.
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Book 4 had one major flaw, unfortunately he repeated it twice. Instead of sticking to a single Point of View for the Iron Islands and Dorne, he weirdly chose to do each of 4 chapters for each from different points of view. It just made no sense in terms of the structure of the series and was very distracting.
Besides that, I think the book was pretty great and at its best had some of the best work in the series to date. The "Cat o' the Canals" chapter is my favorite out of all 4 books and all of the [[SPOILERish WARNING]]Cersei POV chapters were amazing. How often do you get to see a story told from inside the head of someone who is that sick, paranoid and insane?[[/SPOILERishness]] -
This is going to rock. HBO's greatest strength in there shows (and there's actually a lot of them) is there casting. Deadwood, Rome, John Adams, Band of Brothers, The Wire; the casting is always spot on. And book 4 was still a great read just for the Cersei chapters alone. No, it wasn't as good as the first 3 but i think that had more to do with the logistical problems of too much book then bad storytelling. 4 and 5 should probably be read together from what it sounds like. Oh, and the shooting locations... Tunasia for the Dothraki scenes and Northern Ireland for Westeros. Fucking awesome. It's going to have that great overcast Moors look like all those fantasy films from the early 80s. It's going to look like fucking Excaliber and Dragonslayer! thank God they didn't go back to New Zealand. Also, Peter Skarsgard (Iceman from Generation Kill) is rumored for the role of Jamie Lannister. Discuss...
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WTF here?
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but not as much as people think. They're shooting at a new soundstage in Dublin called The Paint Hall. It's gigantic. It used to be a ashipbuilding facility. It's were they built the Titanic (the real one). the thing is, Ireland has a lot of tax incentives for foreign productions and if you use like 30% local crew, you GET IT FOR FREE. So Game of Thrones gets a massive fucking Elstree size studio at NO COST. Trust me. After Rome, they'll find ways to shoot this thing for cheap without loosing production value.
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Am I the only one who does not buy the Jamie Lannister hype? Sure he's the kingslayer and did great at the tourny in the first book but he didn't exactly shine in his main battle against Robb ... then yeah, stuff happened during his trip to be traded. But really, why is everyone all on his stuff about how great he is when we have yet to read him truly lay down an epic beating.
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Might as well be, "The Wire revolves around a battle among seven co-op members and between two ruling institutions for control of Fayette Street, the possession that ensures survival through the 40-degree days to come."
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Correct. The Northern Ireland government are also putting £1 million towards the costs as well, plus the BBC is stumping up a chunk of the budget (probably 10-15% like they did with ROME).
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He really is all hype and no action. SPOILERS! He does admit that he killed the king fairly easily due to no one ever being part of the kingsguard assassinating the king. He also became hated due to that hence kingslayer. I get the feeling with him that Tyrion got all the wisdom, but since Tyrion was deformed, their father lorded over Jamie. Their father was and has always been the real villain of the story and the way he goes is very poetic. Jamie is a better character in book 4, I still will never forgive him for what he did to Bran. End of SPOILERS
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If this is HBO, there'd better be some nude women.
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is a complete badass until what happens happens. Re-read book 1. When suprised by Robb at camp, he launches himself, ALL BY HIMSELF, at Robb and takes on his entire honor guard ALONE, cutting through something like 6 or 7 of them before the Greatjon finally drags him down kicking and screaming trying to rip out Robb's throat with his teeth. Even Robb afterwards was saying how he couldnt believe how tough he was. It aint hype.
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Ummmm.......yeah. I think we are safe on that one.
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there are a whole group of fans sitting there going "Awesome!! Sean Bean will be on a new series for HBO!" Ahhhh, I'm actually jealous of those who havent read the books, I'd love to be able to re-experience it all for the first time. And yes, its better then Tolkien by a country mile, Books 1-3 are the greatest 3 book stretch of fantasy ever published.
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That was really good, and damn, the women in that were hot. I liked Deadwood too, but the swearing in it just made me laugh at it after awhile.
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You are right about that one Jamie scene, but for the most part his glories happen before the events of the books. Personally my favorite warrior is Ser Loras, the dude plain rules with a sword in his hand. Also, as much as people wanna hate on him Sandor Clagene is the shit, and will always be the shit, even though he turned craven. Overall though, Jon's bad-ass on all levels, plus when he's around you are always this close to getting an awesome wolf scene.
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Sean Bean has been awesome ever since Patriot Games. "You killed mah little broother!"
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Have they cast Dany yet? That would be a hell of a hard part to cast.
I love this character. And not just for the obvious reasons.
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Jul 20, 2009 7:15:17 PM CDT
of course she doesn't get REALLY interesting until the second bo
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still....
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Hodor? Hodor Hodor Hodor Hodor Hodor Hodor Hodor!
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...with her sun-and-stars, will she be 14? 'Cause if so... ick.
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We need a Meryl Streep, or Goldie Hawns daughter for Cersei-I mean-this stuff has to hurt our minds and souls-Or maybe a paris Hilton-i mean-dang! The possibilities are endless... Alensnader A blah blah for jamie, it would not make me unhappy.
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1. Jon Snow is probably my favorite character in any fantasy book I have read, the end of the battle for the Wall when a certain someone comes dramatically comes out of left field is one of the few times I've actually jumped out of my seat while reading a book. 2. It is impossible to list all the great scenes in this series as there is one literally every chapter, but the Viper's battle with Sandor has to be one of the most dramatic duel scenes ever. "Say her name!! SAY HER NAME!!!" 3. The awesome thing about Jamie is he is completely arrogant and despicable (at least at the start) but at the same time is utterly fearless on the battlefield. Most of the time in fantasy, the bad guy is a pussy and a coward, but in this one, the main villian is also the biggest, bravest bad ass and battlefield hero on the block. 3. Having said that, he was never the best. The books state clearly that Arthur Dayne, The Sword Of The Morning, was always the best and couldnt be beaten one on one, and on top of the was purely good. Thats the cool thing about MArtin's work, you are never quite sure who the good guy is. In that battle, Ned was actually the bad guy, and it basically took a cheap shot from Ned's swampland buddy to save his life and take down Dayne. Its as if Aragorn was fighting for the losing side and got taken out by being stabbed in the back.
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I was wondering where HBO's ambition had gone! Best news I've heard all year as well as best new regarding HBO I've heard well... ever!!! Now if they can just get an HBO Dune, and the Foundation on track, all will be right with the Universe.
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Thank god the kid playing Jon Snow looks the part. Let's just hope he is as talented an actor as some in the industry feel he might be... *fingers crossed*
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What's up with the Mark Addy hate? I don't love him but I dn't hate him. ANd ***SPOILER WARNING***
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But I just don't see him as a convincing King Robert. If this was one of those SyFy channel dumbed down miniseries I'd expect someone like Addy to be chosen, but this isn't TV it's HBO, and HBO should know better.
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and Liam Neeson as King Stark...
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Not Peter Sarsgaard - he's the sort of dumpy, indie actor married to Maggie Gyllenhaal. Alexander Skarsgard is Stellan Skarsgard's son, was the lead in Generation Kill and plays the vampire sheriff Eric in True Blood. HE would make a fabulous Jaime, and HBO already loves him. I hope this happens!
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"Liam Neeson as King Stark." I really don't see Liam playing 16 year old Robb, or is there another Stark King I'm missing.
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WTF is all that about. i cringe at the tesco adverts hes doing at the moment, how the hell is he gonna potray a drunk but brutal king. Robert should be played by Brendon Gleeson
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only just seen your post. i completely agree with you about both characters. but i like Bean as Ned but obviously not Addy as Robert
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Perfect Ned Stark casting!
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I think she would be perfect in this series. She has the perfect resume for this short of project. Weta did the effects for Xena, so casting her and hiring Weta for FX would be very cool.
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That character is also my favorite in the series.
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...it's possible.
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And I was thinking the same thing about Alexander Skarsgaard especially after seeing last weeks TrueBlood.
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Is Daniel Day Lewis, but of course that aint gonna happen
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Too bad Amy Acker wouldn't look good as a blonde. She'd be a great Cersei. I'm thinking Illyria at her most unemotional and detached.
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There's this uber-hot chick named Brienne who strips off and fights animals.
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who remember Mark Addy from Still Standing, you realize that you are admitting to having ever watched Still Standing? Nevermind, of course you don't
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But you referred to him as King Stark. Ned was never a king.
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Technically you're right, but he was a Lord of a domain before becoming the hand of the King, and to me, that makes him A king in his own right (to his people), but not THE king.
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My bad. I meant Alexander not Peter. And Belfast instead of Dublin. They also just got a badass production designer. The woman who did John Adams and Finding Neverland. This is looking really good. Now, I just need to find a picture of the kid who's going to play Joffery. Man, i just love taht this series now gets a talkback. This is soooo much better than discussing how much this summers movies sucked.
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There's no technically right here, he was not king and there's a huge gulf between what his being a lord is and what a king is.
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@ebonic plague: Nicely done, tho it was pretty much the synopsis I'd expect from Hollywood press. @gooseud: Oberyn Martell went toe to toe with Gregor Clegane, not Sandor. "You are going to fight THAT?" Ellaria Sand said in a hushed voice. "I am going to kill that," her lover replied carelessly.
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Jul 21, 2009 11:49:11 PM CDT
AATTTAAACCKK!!! CLINGCLANGCHINGCLANGSLASHSQUISH NOOOOOOOOOO!
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could someone please take this fucktard for a short walk out the Moon Door?
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wishes there had been more of the Viper. Alot more. Like, every other page. He rules.
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Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage are inspired choices. I hope HBO remembers that Ian McShane and Ray Stevenson are available.
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Yes, I can't agree more, she would be a perfect Cersei. The last book that Martin released was broken up into two parts because of pressure from his editor. I do not think that that's what he wanted. That being said, it was the weakest of the series so far. All of the character's that I wanted to read about were taken out. I hope he can finish the next book soon and/or he do a redux and re-release the book he wanted(not likely).
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i havent read the books for a while and i dont want to come across as nit picking, but is ellaria sand not oberyns bastard daughter? one of the 7 sand snakes? please correct me if im wrong
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The Red Vipers death was the one which shocked me more than anyone elses. and their are quite of few of them.
I thought he was gonna be a major player in events, even though his death will have huge repurcussions for the Lannisters.
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Will one of the writers on this site please pick up one of these books and read it? I know it's not a comic book or a 70's sci fi show revival but the story happens to kick complete ass and the characters practically jump off the page. Might be worth your time. I know you guys got the time on all those plane trips. If you got time to see 95% of the crap hollywood produces, then you owe it to yourself for no other reason then to clear the palette. Oh, and my money is on the series ending with Danny and Jon Snow splitting the kingdom amongst themselves. And yes, this story is better than Lord of the Rings. And that's not saying LOTR sucks, it's just that this story is THAT good.
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I know he doesn't really count as a writer here anymore, but at least one of their geek-clique is already a fan. They'll all be swarming to read them by the end of the first season, anyway.
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Wait till the first episode airs and suddenly everyone's an expert, even the ones who have not read a single page. Kinda like when Fellowship Of The Rings came out.
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Well, let's enjoy our talkbacks now before EVERY SINGLE GEEK on this talkback starts shitting themselves over this in about a year.
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Every single geek on this site. I'm sleepy.
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See guy above who referred to Ned Stark as "King Stark." Believe me it's gonna get silly with people talking authoritatively about books they have obviously never read.
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No question, I'm about 3/4's of the way through the fourth book. In my opinion they are definitely superior to the Lord of the Rings. They are simply amazing.
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by any means, it just doesn't compare to the ridiculously awesome first three.
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of the series so far, but still a bloody good book. and at least you can see the text in the book unlike book 2. Christ, i nearly had to use a magnifying glass to read it
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Once the series is finally complete (the old gods willing) and people aren't desperately itching for a fix of Westros action I think the fourth book will be looked back a lot more fondly than it is now. It's a slower, and perhaps more meditative pace than the others, but after the unrelenting madness that ensues throughout Storm of Swords I think that was a deliberate and shrewd decision on Martin's part. I know he originally didn't intend to split them up but I think the editor in him took over once he decided to. Feast reads like the long, deep exhale needed to catch a breath after the preceding insanity, and before the madness ramps back up for the remainder of the series.Of course if Dance is as slow and plodding as Feast is (I doubt it, but who knows?) then my thoughts are all worthless hogwash. Ahem...
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Ellaria Sand is Oberyn's paramour. Obara, Nymeria, Tyene, Sarella, Elia, Obella, Dorea and Loreza are his bastard daughters, the Sand Snakes. Any bastard from Dorne has the surname Sand, like all bastards from the north are Snow, from the Vale, Stone, etc.
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First off, you're an anal douchebag. I absent mindedly slipped by calling him King Stark rather than Lord Stark, deal with it. I then explained why I most likely made the error and still you kept bitching like the overly critical a$$h*le you clearly are.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt the combination of Eddard's closeness to Robert, as well as the seclusion on Winterfell, the men's loyalty to Ned, and the fact that Ned (prior to becoming the hand) clearly didn't take orders from Robert and led Winterfell as he saw fit all makes it pretty understandable why I'd think him virtually a king, and why I absentmindedly called him that in one of my posts. In my humble opinion, he essentially was.
One last thing, I've probably read the book, "Song of Ice and Fire" half a dozen times since it first hit bookshelves, so stop with that "I'm the only true fan" bullshit. You're clearly not. -
And after rewatching some of Addy's work, I still think casting him instead of someone more like *hint hint* a Brenden Gleeson, is a giant f*cking mistake! Whatever, as posted earlier, as long as they cast the kids right and put the proper funding into the CGI of the Dire-wolves I guess I'll be able to overlook the 4-5 episodes of an Addy performed King Robert.
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Jul 22, 2009 8:04:37 PM CDT
enjoying the 1st book ... it is sloooow reading though
by murdermostfowl
Way to much going on all the time for me. Every chapter is another 6 people to keep track of. Like I said, I'm enjoying it, but I'm practically having to take notes.
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...then you'll be hooked. The biggest complaint is that it takes a little to get going, but I've found that to be about the "gripping point" which is right around 150, and it never lets go afterwards. Having something around 10 characters, and for the most part, a sole character per chapter, it really takes a bit to get the plot speeding along. But when it does, AYE DIOS MIO.
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No, RyanMurray, the biggest complaint is that the freight train plot does not have an ending, and likely never will.
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Name calling now? You're a funny guy. "I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt the combination of Eddard's closeness to Robert" my best friend's a lawyer, maybe I should go try a case. LOL. I'll take you being absent minded, but your excuses sound stupid. Go read it another time, maybe you'll see Lord Stark this time.
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My memory of the books is slowly coming back. I started reading the series again today so shouldnt be too long before im upto scratch.
But your name is bugging me. Was it the Goat of Harrenhal? but for the life of me cant remember his name. leader of the bloody mummers if im not mistaken -
Jul 22, 2009 9:17:35 PM CDT
Come to think of it, Gleeson would make a pretty damn fine Varys
by redjester
I'm still not sure who should play Littlefinger though... I've always pictured a younger Brad Dourif (Wormtongue from LOTR), but he's good ten years too old for that now. Shame...
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That sounds like a 19th century description for Colitis.
He died on the preceding Thursday. Bloody mummers he had,and suffered. The attending faculty of nurses were anguished at the thought of his continuing. -
He he been watching that talkback ministorm and it's quite amusing. I don't play WOW but to give raimi some juicy epic mythology to work with is exciting indeed.
But then you you look at *this* series which is arguably the only thought mythology to rival/surpass Tolkiens in breadth and kick assedness, It does annoy me that this series/talkback isn't getting near as much action/play. But boy oh boy-they are all going to pay about 4 episodes into the new Song of fire and Ice...
Point being, I almost feel bad for raimi trying to adapt a fantasy mythology from an admittedly pretty polished video game, but with this bad boy lurking around...
What bugged me about Rome was as much as I freakin loved it, the whole time I was watching it_I always kept thinking how it was like a tamer version of the fire and ice, but now... -
Omar... I gave you my reasoning, you disagreed with it, let's just leave it at that shall we? Because I sure as hell didn't start posting in this forum with the thought of, "Hey let's get in a minor quarrel with some anal-retentive stranger!!" No, I posted here because I was psyched that one of my favorite fantasy series was getting made into a show on HBO w/ Sean Bean in the effin lead! So seriously dude, take a chill pill, stop critiquing other people on the boards, and let us do what we came here to do! Revel in the awesomeness of this show actually coming to fruition! Now everybody hold hands and sing Kumbayah lol...
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What makes it great is that it's not really fantasy at all. Not in the way most other fantasy novels are with weirdo creatures, wizards, magic and all that crap. It's more European history, castle intrigue, medieval wars and ever now and then something weird is thrown in. What makes this such a great series is that you can see most if not all of this stuff happening a couple hundred years ago ... except for the weird seasons thing. As for how it's going to be received, I think it's gonna take everyone by storm in a huge way. Maybe not from the first episode but maybe when all those guys start declaring themselves king and the warring starts in earnest. I'm glad we are at a point with special effects where the battles with those large numbers can be done in a way that does not look lame. My only thing is, how do they make it obvious who the eunuchs are? In the books it seems pretty obvious, people can spot them on sight, but what visually (except for Belwas who was "given to bloat"). WINTER IS COMING!
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they'll face. It'll be tough to find a 14 year old girl with the gravitas to build an army, while at the same time showing the vulnerability to get chowed out by her handmaiden and get railed from behind like an animal by a much older barbarian chief. I'm thinking Dakota Fanning.
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1`. Book 4 doesnt suck, its just Brienne that sucks. Take away those chapters (amongst the most time wasting, tedious crap I've ever read) and book 4 is pretty good. Not as good as the preceding 3, but good). 2. My wife and I were debating Dany, who to play her and how they are going to show what she goes through if the character is only 14. ITs not like they can actually show her getting railed. 3. Moment of hookage for the books: The "things I do for love" window scene. Make it that scene andd your hooked, guarenteed, one of the first great "WTF????" scenes in the books....but certainly not the last!! 4. I' love to cast Ian McShane into this.....but in what role? Oh, and Captain Picard must play Tywin.
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Just a thought.
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dude, you are so right! As for Dany, the one way around it is a young looking 18 year old because she not only gets railed a lot, but her and her hand maidens do a lot too, not to mention walking around with one boob out for almost an entire book. As for Brianne, I don't know why but I love her character. The most important casting in my eyes are Jon and Rob, young and vulnerable but both able to bring across that ultimate bad-ass vibe.
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My wife loves 'em, and I keep putting it of for newer stuff.
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Actually, I have always thought Brendan would be great as the Blackfish, Catelyn's brother. The Tullys always struck me as being "Irish-like".
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Funny you mention a young Brad Dourif for Littlefinger. I always pictured a younger Geoffery Rush for Littlefinger. I always picture him in that scene with Lady Arryn at the moon door where she says, "you really love me?" and he smiles and says "only Kat." I can so see Rush playing that moment.
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I think people will get hooked at the Eddard/Cersei confrontation scene in the Throne Room. The tension in that scene can be played wonderfully on film. I can just see Sean Beans' grim face striding across the thron room with his men beside him. That made the previous 520 pages all worth it for me. That's just an awesome "shit hits the fan" scene. I also really like the fact that magic is a thing of the past so you have this wonderful element in these stories where the characters in this medevil setting respond to the supernatural the way we would: they have real problems wrapping there head around it. That's a pretty cool character reaction for a fantasy series. Never seen that before.
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Yeah man, I hate fantasy series where magic is so common place it almost takes over the story. It's about finding some magic item or learning some spell or some such thing. While here people kinda know that magic at one time existed, much like you say how we would view magic. Tonaly I think Rome, The Tudors and a little bit of the movies Quills and Gladiator thrown in would be a good starting point.
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Epic casting.
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The chapters with Brienne in the 4th book are terribly weak, however, her journey with Jaime in the 3rd book is one of the highlights of the series for me.
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A younger Geoffery Rush and Brad Dourif would both have been excellent choices. They're both intense and creepy in their own ways!
Cillian Murphy and or Crispin Glover would both be inspired choices to play Littlefinger as well... Granted neither of them would ever do it but still... -
I don't know, Crispin might bite. He's not that busy is he?
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Well he's doing Alice in Wonderland right now and after that I dunno, although he seems to always fill his schedule with random oddball projects so he probably is pretty busy lol... Anyways, Crispin doesn't get many top notch roles for the same reason Malkovich and Gary Busey don't. They're eccentric dudes who only seem to be good at playing eccentric dudes. I still think he'd rule though although the more I think about it the more I'd love to see Cillian do it.
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on page 21. Been really busy. Hope to crank this one out by August 1st. Doubt it though
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I'm sure you didn't need the encouragement, but I really wanted to type that sentence.
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Gah woke up this morning with a bunch of new dopey ideas about casting possibilities-heck we all gotta think out of the box on this one:
I vote Lance Henriksen for Stannis Baratheon-that might actually work.
Cersei-gahh-this one's seemingly impossible-I vote a blond monica Belucci-gahh except she's actually too good in france to possibly deign to play anything stateside-gahhh. A stupid idea that wouldn't work would be Lauren conrad from the Hills except i'm sure she'd have the no acting talent/Paris Hilton problem. This one is actually beyond tough to cast...
Danearys-The hardest one to cast of them all--what-natalie portman? Eh maybe a bit old, but she actually can act-but no she's doing to well as is-This role is super tough-but i do not want to see some idiotic teeny bopper moron/rapper chick playing this
Knights Knights and more knights:
I joke about this on Aint it bale news, but it does work: Brock lesnar as Sandor Cleghorne-the mountain that moves-because he never talks he just kills people and is intimidating. If not him anyone of the myriad WWE Man-monsters that hasn't played in amything on film before.
OK admittedly these are all incredibly stupid ideas-casting this series would be the biggest logistical nightmare i've ever thought of--obviously-you would *have8 to look to stage actors-european preferably for many of the roles-and look to the international sports world to get many of the knights to find properly huge dudes to play the knights. i'm thinking English soccer and rugby players for some of those parts. american football players get big enough to fill a few parts, but crap-we need middle eastern/indian ladies and gentleman for the dornes-yeah bollywood-I'm talking to you.
It's bloody ridiculous it is
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The human wrecking balls-Craig and Paul pumphrey-*these* guys actually already have a show so they no how cameras work, but they could convince me they beat the heck out of somebody-and also they are actually smart and could be in a production for a longer haul-oh yeah-and they are actually real brothers-gahh musts top typing-i'm embarrasing myself
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And his name's Gregor Clegane, not Sandor Cleghorne. Sandor Clegane, his brother, is of course The Hound.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to this series quite intensely. HBO + BBC + Martin's rather wonderful books is one ridiculously kick-arse recipe.
As an aside, it must be weird for Martin reading discussions like this - if he ever does - seeing as pretty much any discussion of his books that starts anywhere on the net (dedicated Song of Ice and Fire forums aside), the notion of him dying imminently pops up. And then again a few more times.
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